Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: Ok, forget about the internet radio… what about educational streaming webcasts that pertains to a user’s professional enrichment (Job related). We whitelist legitimate stuff. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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We had similar problems with this. We moved over to a fios 50/20 with failover to Bright house and love it! Now I don't have these issues and I'm saving a ton of money and trouble vs. the T's Now if I can only talk them into getting rid of the sonic walls Regards, Chris Orovet Technical Support O: (727)812-0276 Ext. 125 F: (727)812-0278 Email: supp...@atsi-inc.com Web: http://www.atsi-inc.com Whatever relationships you have attracted in your life at this moment, are precisely the ones you need in your life at this moment. There is a hidden meaning behind all events, and this hidden meaning is serving your own evolution. ~Chopra Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain proprietary, confidential, trade secret or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited and may be a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering this message to an intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message immediately. From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS A bonded T1 for 50 users? My previous gig we only had one T1 for that many and until the users started pulling UTube during the day it was more than enough. After that the pipe was full and everyone complained. Good luck, Jon On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:57 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Try looking at the T1 router to see if there are any errors on the line. Try going to somewhere like speedtest.net http://speedtest.net/ and run an internet speed test. Finally call your internet provider and see if there are any errors or alarms on your line. Also, you might want to make sure someone hasn't plugged in a switch to itself or into two different network jacks. We had a situation like that a couple times earlier this year and it brought our network to a crawl. From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: INTERNET SLOWNESS Good Morning. I'm trying to determine the cause of internet access slowness here. We are a small organization of fewer than 40 employees, and use a bonded T1 line (3.0) for internet access. Our staff has complained about internet access slowness to me and I've suggested tha the problem is with the Internet, not our access. We are not budgeted to increase our access, and I'm not sure that that is the answer. Using Internet Explorer 8, I can see by the status bar at the bottom the message waiting and the url involved. Am I missing something here? Are there some things I can do to speed up internet access, or is the Internet just too clogged with activity? Murray No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com/ Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.59/2494 - Release Date: 11/10/09 07:38:00 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~image003.jpgimage004.jpgimage005.jpg
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I agree it's good to think about. Are personal phone calls _STRICTLY_ prohibited, or allowed within reason? Power? Can you check ESPN scores over a cup of coffee? Buy a doodad from amazon.com on your lunch time? Does a 32KB stream cost some money? Yes. Does providing coffee in the breakroom? Yes. What's the cost to human morale and productivity? In an office of 50 people, if 10% might choose to stream some music. Is that 160Kb really cutting it that close on your ISP connection? Heck, toss the protocols in a bandwidth queue and let them have it if no other higher-priority traffic needs the line... No absolute answers of course, but things to think about. -sc -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS True, it's not a perfect argument, but here we do pay more for power than Internet. Just trying to change the perspective of the way we look at it. Sam -Original Message- From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS That is the same in wording only. The pipe electricity comes down is so much larger and cheaper than the pipe bandwidth for streaming radio comes down. That is exactly the apples and oranges conversation. Both are edible (play music), both are good for you (consume power or bandwidth), and both are not required (you could be working instead). -- From: Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS The company also provides power; can they plug in a radio and use your electricity? -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: You fire people for Streaming Radio? Yikes. FWIW: We haven't, but we do have it in our policy manual that streaming media without a business purpose is forbidden, and subject to disciplinary action. I have had to have a few people formally written up, but it's never gone beyond that. We also endeavor to block that stuff at the proxy server, but filtering is imperfect. If the network suffers, the whole business suffers - but that's IT's fault, not the person streaming a radio station. They get disciplined for flagrantly disregarding company policy, not for harming the network. We always stop it before it comes to harm. I've got no objection to streaming radio on principle; it's just a question of resources. The company isn't providing an Internet feed so people can listen to the radio on their PC, and we're not about to spend money upgrading it for that, either. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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It could sure. But if you have 1000 users, what percentage do you suppose would actually do it? I manage a net for ~1600 users. I'd guess maybe 5% actually opt to stream something. Like I say, weighted queues... -sc -Original Message- From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS If all of your staff plugs in a radio, does it prevent staff from turning on their lights? I'm guessing not. However, if all of your staff starts streaming radio, it can (at least in many environments) prevent staff from getting to internet resources they need to do their jobs. I can't speak for anybody else out there, but we have run into that kind of problem in the past when we couldn't effectively prevent unauthorized streaming access. May or may not be an issue for small shops, but when you have ~1000 users, it adds up. Bill Mayo -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS True, it's not a perfect argument, but here we do pay more for power than Internet. Just trying to change the perspective of the way we look at it. Sam -Original Message- From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS That is the same in wording only. The pipe electricity comes down is so much larger and cheaper than the pipe bandwidth for streaming radio comes down. That is exactly the apples and oranges conversation. Both are edible (play music), both are good for you (consume power or bandwidth), and both are not required (you could be working instead). -- From: Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS The company also provides power; can they plug in a radio and use your electricity? -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: You fire people for Streaming Radio? Yikes. FWIW: We haven't, but we do have it in our policy manual that streaming media without a business purpose is forbidden, and subject to disciplinary action. I have had to have a few people formally written up, but it's never gone beyond that. We also endeavor to block that stuff at the proxy server, but filtering is imperfect. If the network suffers, the whole business suffers - but that's IT's fault, not the person streaming a radio station. They get disciplined for flagrantly disregarding company policy, not for harming the network. We always stop it before it comes to harm. I've got no objection to streaming radio on principle; it's just a question of resources. The company isn't providing an Internet feed so people can listen to the radio on their PC, and we're not about to spend money upgrading it for that, either. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS It could sure. But if you have 1000 users, what percentage do you suppose would actually do it? I manage a net for ~1600 users. I'd guess maybe 5% actually opt to stream something. Like I say, weighted queues... -sc -Original Message- From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS If all of your staff plugs in a radio, does it prevent staff from turning on their lights? I'm guessing not. However, if all of your staff starts streaming radio, it can (at least in many environments) prevent staff from getting to internet resources they need to do their jobs. I can't speak for anybody else out there, but we have run into that kind of problem in the past when we couldn't effectively prevent unauthorized streaming access. May or may not be an issue for small shops, but when you have ~1000 users, it adds up. Bill Mayo -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS True, it's not a perfect argument, but here we do pay more for power than Internet. Just trying to change the perspective of the way we look at it. Sam -Original Message- From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS That is the same in wording only. The pipe electricity comes down is so much larger and cheaper than the pipe bandwidth for streaming radio comes down. That is exactly the apples and oranges conversation. Both are edible (play music), both are good for you (consume power or bandwidth), and both are not required (you could be working instead). -- From: Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS The company also provides power; can they plug in a radio and use your electricity? -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: You fire people for Streaming Radio? Yikes. FWIW: We haven't, but we do have it in our policy manual that streaming media without a business purpose is forbidden, and subject to disciplinary action. I have had to have a few people formally written up, but it's never gone beyond that. We also endeavor to block that stuff at the proxy server, but filtering is imperfect. If the network suffers, the whole business suffers - but that's IT's fault, not the person streaming a radio station. They get disciplined for flagrantly disregarding company policy, not for harming the network. We always stop it before it comes to harm. I've got no objection to streaming radio on principle; it's just a question of resources. The company isn't providing an Internet feed so people can listen to the radio on their PC, and we're not about to spend money upgrading it for that, either. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally
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What amazes me is that everyone chooses to piggyback on an expensive enterprise data network infrastructure and risk the flow of critical business data to *simulate* an inexpensive radio . It becomes much more an issue on T1 and similar connections when the critical data is flowing at a high rate. Even moreso now for those using VOIP on common bandwidth. If bandwidth is already precious, then streaming can have a negative effect for the business. If bandwidth is abundant, then it is much, much less an issue. Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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In fairness, internet radio allows access to content that might not currently be available on the airwaves. Just an observation. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:54:31 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS What amazes me is that everyone chooses to piggyback on an expensive enterprise data network infrastructure and risk the flow of critical business data to *simulate* an inexpensive radio . It becomes much more an issue on T1 and similar connections when the critical data is flowing at a high rate. Even moreso now for those using VOIP on common bandwidth. If bandwidth is already precious, then streaming can have a negative effect for the business. If bandwidth is abundant, then it is much, much less an issue. Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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so does bringing in a CD collection to play in the cup holder , but that's not the point ... The point is they're hijacking corporate bandwidth resources ( wonder what the policies are on making personal long distance calls from the company telephones ) Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security -Original Message- From: asbz...@gmail.com [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS In fairness, internet radio allows access to content that might not currently be available on the airwaves. Just an observation. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:54:31 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS What amazes me is that everyone chooses to piggyback on an expensive enterprise data network infrastructure and risk the flow of critical business data to *simulate* an inexpensive radio . It becomes much more an issue on T1 and similar connections when the critical data is flowing at a high rate. Even moreso now for those using VOIP on common bandwidth. If bandwidth is already precious, then streaming can have a negative effect for the business. If bandwidth is abundant, then it is much, much less an issue. Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Where my cubicle is, I get fluctuating cell phone signal, no satellite radio signal, and very poor radio reception because of the metal beams columns in the building infrastructure. I don't stream radio on the internet, or any other kind of media though because of the bandwidth that it takes. If I want to listen to music, I bring in my SanDisk or iPod Touch with my music on it, which between the two of them, has well over 8 hours of music with no repeatsseveral days worth actually ;) Commercial radio just annoys me anyway, which is why I have a satellite radio in my car. My point is, if an employee wants music at work, there are multiple ways to get it without using the internet On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com wrote: What amazes me is that everyone chooses to piggyback on an expensive enterprise data network infrastructure and risk the flow of critical business data to *simulate* an inexpensive radio . It becomes much more an issue on T1 and similar connections when the critical data is flowing at a high rate. Even moreso now for those using VOIP on common bandwidth. If bandwidth is already precious, then streaming can have a negative effect for the business. If bandwidth is abundant, then it is much, much less an issue. Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Newark, TX, United States ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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I agree ... and actually did perfmon tests to verify that playing a music CD in the computer's CD/DVD drive had minimal impact on the local performance. So users only need to bring in their music CDs to play on their PC .. either through external speakers or the headset jack on the front of most CD drives. Cost = minimalImpact = minimalSatisfaction =: D Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security _ From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Where my cubicle is, I get fluctuating cell phone signal, no satellite radio signal, and very poor radio reception because of the metal beams columns in the building infrastructure. I don't stream radio on the internet, or any other kind of media though because of the bandwidth that it takes. If I want to listen to music, I bring in my SanDisk or iPod Touch with my music on it, which between the two of them, has well over 8 hours of music with no repeatsseveral days worth actually ;) Commercial radio just annoys me anyway, which is why I have a satellite radio in my car. My point is, if an employee wants music at work, there are multiple ways to get it without using the internet On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com wrote: What amazes me is that everyone chooses to piggyback on an expensive enterprise data network infrastructure and risk the flow of critical business data to *simulate* an inexpensive radio . It becomes much more an issue on T1 and similar connections when the critical data is flowing at a high rate. Even moreso now for those using VOIP on common bandwidth. If bandwidth is already precious, then streaming can have a negative effect for the business. If bandwidth is abundant, then it is much, much less an issue. Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Newark, TX, United States ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Except in the case of Media player auto ripping the tracks to a redirected my music folder in which case you're now saving and backing up their playlist, BTDT ;-) From: Erik Goldoff To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Wed Nov 11 10:54:13 2009 Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I agree ... and actually did perfmon tests to verify that playing a music CD in the computer's CD/DVD drive had minimal impact on the local performance. So users only need to bring in their music CDs to play on their PC .. either through external speakers or the headset jack on the front of most CD drives. Cost = minimalImpact = minimalSatisfaction =: D Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Where my cubicle is, I get fluctuating cell phone signal, no satellite radio signal, and very poor radio reception because of the metal beams columns in the building infrastructure. I don't stream radio on the internet, or any other kind of media though because of the bandwidth that it takes. If I want to listen to music, I bring in my SanDisk or iPod Touch with my music on it, which between the two of them, has well over 8 hours of music with no repeatsseveral days worth actually ;) Commercial radio just annoys me anyway, which is why I have a satellite radio in my car. My point is, if an employee wants music at work, there are multiple ways to get it without using the internet On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.commailto:egold...@gmail.com wrote: What amazes me is that everyone chooses to piggyback on an expensive enterprise data network infrastructure and risk the flow of critical business data to *simulate* an inexpensive radio . It becomes much more an issue on T1 and similar connections when the critical data is flowing at a high rate. Even moreso now for those using VOIP on common bandwidth. If bandwidth is already precious, then streaming can have a negative effect for the business. If bandwidth is abundant, then it is much, much less an issue. Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.orgmailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Newark, TX, United States CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T
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Great, but what are these CD things you talk about? :) Ok, forget about the internet radio... what about educational streaming webcasts that pertains to a user's professional enrichment (Job related). Not all multimedia bandwidth is bad bandwidth. So, we can tell our users - Don't stream radio OK. Does that mean we no longer have the need to implement blocks/throttles on streaming media? No, you still do. I told my users not to get viruses, I'm not ripping out my A/V anytime soon though. Sam From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I agree ... and actually did perfmon tests to verify that playing a music CD in the computer's CD/DVD drive had minimal impact on the local performance. So users only need to bring in their music CDs to play on their PC .. either through external speakers or the headset jack on the front of most CD drives. Cost = minimalImpact = minimalSatisfaction =: D Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Where my cubicle is, I get fluctuating cell phone signal, no satellite radio signal, and very poor radio reception because of the metal beams columns in the building infrastructure. I don't stream radio on the internet, or any other kind of media though because of the bandwidth that it takes. If I want to listen to music, I bring in my SanDisk or iPod Touch with my music on it, which between the two of them, has well over 8 hours of music with no repeatsseveral days worth actually ;) Commercial radio just annoys me anyway, which is why I have a satellite radio in my car. My point is, if an employee wants music at work, there are multiple ways to get it without using the internet On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com wrote: What amazes me is that everyone chooses to piggyback on an expensive enterprise data network infrastructure and risk the flow of critical business data to *simulate* an inexpensive radio . It becomes much more an issue on T1 and similar connections when the critical data is flowing at a high rate. Even moreso now for those using VOIP on common bandwidth. If bandwidth is already precious, then streaming can have a negative effect for the business. If bandwidth is abundant, then it is much, much less an issue. Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Newark, TX, United States ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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I never backed up their local drives : ) If it was enterprise data, it was supposed to be on enterprise storage ! Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security _ From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Except in the case of Media player auto ripping the tracks to a redirected my music folder in which case you're now saving and backing up their playlist, BTDT ;-) _ From: Erik Goldoff To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Wed Nov 11 10:54:13 2009 Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I agree ... and actually did perfmon tests to verify that playing a music CD in the computer's CD/DVD drive had minimal impact on the local performance. So users only need to bring in their music CDs to play on their PC .. either through external speakers or the headset jack on the front of most CD drives. Cost = minimalImpact = minimalSatisfaction =: D Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security _ From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Where my cubicle is, I get fluctuating cell phone signal, no satellite radio signal, and very poor radio reception because of the metal beams columns in the building infrastructure. I don't stream radio on the internet, or any other kind of media though because of the bandwidth that it takes. If I want to listen to music, I bring in my SanDisk or iPod Touch with my music on it, which between the two of them, has well over 8 hours of music with no repeatsseveral days worth actually ;) Commercial radio just annoys me anyway, which is why I have a satellite radio in my car. My point is, if an employee wants music at work, there are multiple ways to get it without using the internet On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com wrote: What amazes me is that everyone chooses to piggyback on an expensive enterprise data network infrastructure and risk the flow of critical business data to *simulate* an inexpensive radio . It becomes much more an issue on T1 and similar connections when the critical data is flowing at a high rate. Even moreso now for those using VOIP on common bandwidth. If bandwidth is already precious, then streaming can have a negative effect for the business. If bandwidth is abundant, then it is much, much less an issue. Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Newark, TX, United States _ CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning
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that becomes 'business traffic' What I used to do was try to preview all business related streaming traffic to benchmark its utilization just to make sure there were no unbounded hogs Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security _ From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Great, but what are these CD things you talk about? :) Ok, forget about the internet radio. what about educational streaming webcasts that pertains to a user's professional enrichment (Job related). Not all multimedia bandwidth is bad bandwidth. So, we can tell our users - Don't stream radio OK. Does that mean we no longer have the need to implement blocks/throttles on streaming media? No, you still do. I told my users not to get viruses, I'm not ripping out my A/V anytime soon though. Sam From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I agree ... and actually did perfmon tests to verify that playing a music CD in the computer's CD/DVD drive had minimal impact on the local performance. So users only need to bring in their music CDs to play on their PC .. either through external speakers or the headset jack on the front of most CD drives. Cost = minimalImpact = minimalSatisfaction =: D Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security _ From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Where my cubicle is, I get fluctuating cell phone signal, no satellite radio signal, and very poor radio reception because of the metal beams columns in the building infrastructure. I don't stream radio on the internet, or any other kind of media though because of the bandwidth that it takes. If I want to listen to music, I bring in my SanDisk or iPod Touch with my music on it, which between the two of them, has well over 8 hours of music with no repeatsseveral days worth actually ;) Commercial radio just annoys me anyway, which is why I have a satellite radio in my car. My point is, if an employee wants music at work, there are multiple ways to get it without using the internet On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com wrote: What amazes me is that everyone chooses to piggyback on an expensive enterprise data network infrastructure and risk the flow of critical business data to *simulate* an inexpensive radio . It becomes much more an issue on T1 and similar connections when the critical data is flowing at a high rate. Even moreso now for those using VOIP on common bandwidth. If bandwidth is already precious, then streaming can have a negative effect for the business. If bandwidth is abundant, then it is much, much less an issue. Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Newark, TX, United States ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Redirected My docs not local drives. I have a huge playlist I add to regularly - it's called confiscated banned media files. From: Erik Goldoff To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Wed Nov 11 11:09:48 2009 Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I never backed up their local drives : ) If it was enterprise data, it was supposed to be on enterprise storage ! Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Except in the case of Media player auto ripping the tracks to a redirected my music folder in which case you're now saving and backing up their playlist, BTDT ;-) From: Erik Goldoff To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Wed Nov 11 10:54:13 2009 Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I agree ... and actually did perfmon tests to verify that playing a music CD in the computer's CD/DVD drive had minimal impact on the local performance. So users only need to bring in their music CDs to play on their PC .. either through external speakers or the headset jack on the front of most CD drives. Cost = minimalImpact = minimalSatisfaction =: D Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Where my cubicle is, I get fluctuating cell phone signal, no satellite radio signal, and very poor radio reception because of the metal beams columns in the building infrastructure. I don't stream radio on the internet, or any other kind of media though because of the bandwidth that it takes. If I want to listen to music, I bring in my SanDisk or iPod Touch with my music on it, which between the two of them, has well over 8 hours of music with no repeatsseveral days worth actually ;) Commercial radio just annoys me anyway, which is why I have a satellite radio in my car. My point is, if an employee wants music at work, there are multiple ways to get it without using the internet On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.commailto:egold...@gmail.com wrote: What amazes me is that everyone chooses to piggyback on an expensive enterprise data network infrastructure and risk the flow of critical business data to *simulate* an inexpensive radio . It becomes much more an issue on T1 and similar connections when the critical data is flowing at a high rate. Even moreso now for those using VOIP on common bandwidth. If bandwidth is already precious, then streaming can have a negative effect for the business. If bandwidth is abundant, then it is much, much less an issue. Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.orgmailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Newark, TX, United States CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print
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+1 On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:13 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Redirected My docs not local drives. I have a huge playlist I add to regularly - it's called confiscated banned media files. -- *From*: Erik Goldoff *To*: NT System Admin Issues *Sent*: Wed Nov 11 11:09:48 2009 *Subject*: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I never backed up their local drives : ) If it was enterprise data, it was supposed to be on enterprise storage ! Erik Goldoff *IT Consultant* *Systems, Networks, Security * -- *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:00 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Except in the case of Media player auto ripping the tracks to a redirected my music folder in which case you're now saving and backing up their playlist, BTDT ;-) -- *From*: Erik Goldoff *To*: NT System Admin Issues *Sent*: Wed Nov 11 10:54:13 2009 *Subject*: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I agree ... and actually did perfmon tests to verify that playing a music CD in the computer's CD/DVD drive had minimal impact on the local performance. So users only need to bring in their music CDs to play on their PC .. either through external speakers or the headset jack on the front of most CD drives. Cost = minimalImpact = minimalSatisfaction =: D Erik Goldoff *IT Consultant* *Systems, Networks, Security * -- *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:49 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Where my cubicle is, I get fluctuating cell phone signal, no satellite radio signal, and very poor radio reception because of the metal beams columns in the building infrastructure. I don't stream radio on the internet, or any other kind of media though because of the bandwidth that it takes. If I want to listen to music, I bring in my SanDisk or iPod Touch with my music on it, which between the two of them, has well over 8 hours of music with no repeatsseveral days worth actually ;) Commercial radio just annoys me anyway, which is why I have a satellite radio in my car. My point is, if an employee wants music at work, there are multiple ways to get it without using the internet On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com wrote: What amazes me is that everyone chooses to piggyback on an expensive enterprise data network infrastructure and risk the flow of critical business data to *simulate* an inexpensive radio . It becomes much more an issue on T1 and similar connections when the critical data is flowing at a high rate. Even moreso now for those using VOIP on common bandwidth. If bandwidth is already precious, then streaming can have a negative effect for the business. If bandwidth is abundant, then it is much, much less an issue. Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Newark, TX, United States -- CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper
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Indeed ! : ) Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security _ From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Redirected My docs not local drives. I have a huge playlist I add to regularly - it's called confiscated banned media files. _ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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As with all things policy: YMMV. But 5-10% of 40 users is 2-4 streams. If 64-128Kbps is going to be a deal-breaker, than I'd suggest you are bandwidth starved anyway. Such is probably the case with many SOHO/non-profit institutions, and undoubtedly factors in. -sc -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS It could sure. But if you have 1000 users, what percentage do you suppose would actually do it? I manage a net for ~1600 users. I'd guess maybe 5% actually opt to stream something. Like I say, weighted queues... -sc -Original Message- From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS If all of your staff plugs in a radio, does it prevent staff from turning on their lights? I'm guessing not. However, if all of your staff starts streaming radio, it can (at least in many environments) prevent staff from getting to internet resources they need to do their jobs. I can't speak for anybody else out there, but we have run into that kind of problem in the past when we couldn't effectively prevent unauthorized streaming access. May or may not be an issue for small shops, but when you have ~1000 users, it adds up. Bill Mayo -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS True, it's not a perfect argument, but here we do pay more for power than Internet. Just trying to change the perspective of the way we look at it. Sam -Original Message- From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS That is the same in wording only. The pipe electricity comes down is so much larger and cheaper than the pipe bandwidth for streaming radio comes down. That is exactly the apples and oranges conversation. Both are edible (play music), both are good for you (consume power or bandwidth), and both are not required (you could be working instead). -- From: Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS The company also provides power; can they plug in a radio and use your electricity? -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: You fire people for Streaming Radio? Yikes. FWIW: We haven't, but we do have it in our policy manual that streaming media without a business purpose is forbidden, and subject to disciplinary action. I have had to have a few people formally written up, but it's never gone beyond that. We also endeavor to block that stuff at the proxy server, but filtering is imperfect. If the network suffers, the whole business suffers - but that's IT's fault, not the person streaming a radio station. They get disciplined for flagrantly disregarding company policy, not for harming the network. We always stop it before it comes to harm. I've got no objection to streaming radio on principle; it's just a question of resources. The company isn't providing an Internet feed so people can listen to the radio on their PC, and we're not about to spend money upgrading it for that, either. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http
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Hence the weighted queue. -sc -Original Message- From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS What amazes me is that everyone chooses to piggyback on an expensive enterprise data network infrastructure and risk the flow of critical business data to *simulate* an inexpensive radio . It becomes much more an issue on T1 and similar connections when the critical data is flowing at a high rate. Even moreso now for those using VOIP on common bandwidth. If bandwidth is already precious, then streaming can have a negative effect for the business. If bandwidth is abundant, then it is much, much less an issue. Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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That might be another apples-to-squirrels comparison. There is likely always a non-zero cost for making a long distance call. There are likely many scenarios where 100% of bandwidth isn't utilized, and allowing additional traffic in those cases results in zero additional cost. That having been said, most companies I've worked for allow some discretion for making calls, even LD ones. They also recognize that I may spend most of my lunch break working an issue and yet not pay me any more. -sc PS- Interestingly, Google is of the opinion that hiring good people, and then giving them much personal freedom and perks, tends to work well for their productivity requirements. They might be an extreme example, but it's a model I tend to like. -Original Message- From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS so does bringing in a CD collection to play in the cup holder , but that's not the point ... The point is they're hijacking corporate bandwidth resources ( wonder what the policies are on making personal long distance calls from the company telephones ) Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security -Original Message- From: asbz...@gmail.com [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS In fairness, internet radio allows access to content that might not currently be available on the airwaves. Just an observation. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:54:31 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS What amazes me is that everyone chooses to piggyback on an expensive enterprise data network infrastructure and risk the flow of critical business data to *simulate* an inexpensive radio . It becomes much more an issue on T1 and similar connections when the critical data is flowing at a high rate. Even moreso now for those using VOIP on common bandwidth. If bandwidth is already precious, then streaming can have a negative effect for the business. If bandwidth is abundant, then it is much, much less an issue. Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line.' Can you bond anymore T1's? With our ISP you can add/remove as you please. Last I saw they were running a promo for 6Mbps (4-T1's) for $350/month with a 2 year term. That's probably cause our building is lit with Fiber; check with you building to see which ISP has your building lit. Sam -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS As with all things policy: YMMV. But 5-10% of 40 users is 2-4 streams. If 64-128Kbps is going to be a deal-breaker, than I'd suggest you are bandwidth starved anyway. Such is probably the case with many SOHO/non-profit institutions, and undoubtedly factors in. -sc -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS It could sure. But if you have 1000 users, what percentage do you suppose would actually do it? I manage a net for ~1600 users. I'd guess maybe 5% actually opt to stream something. Like I say, weighted queues... -sc -Original Message- From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS If all of your staff plugs in a radio, does it prevent staff from turning on their lights? I'm guessing not. However, if all of your staff starts streaming radio, it can (at least in many environments) prevent staff from getting to internet resources they need to do their jobs. I can't speak for anybody else out there, but we have run into that kind of problem in the past when we couldn't effectively prevent unauthorized streaming access. May or may not be an issue for small shops, but when you have ~1000 users, it adds up. Bill Mayo -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS True, it's not a perfect argument, but here we do pay more for power than Internet. Just trying to change the perspective of the way we look at it. Sam -Original Message- From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS That is the same in wording only. The pipe electricity comes down is so much larger and cheaper than the pipe bandwidth for streaming radio comes down. That is exactly the apples and oranges conversation. Both are edible (play music), both are good for you (consume power or bandwidth), and both are not required (you could be working instead). -- From: Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS The company also provides power; can they plug in a radio and use your electricity? -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: You fire people for Streaming Radio? Yikes. FWIW: We haven't, but we do have it in our policy manual that streaming media without a business purpose is forbidden, and subject to disciplinary action. I have had to have a few people formally written up, but it's never gone beyond that. We also endeavor to block that stuff at the proxy server, but filtering is imperfect. If the network suffers, the whole business suffers - but that's IT's fault, not the person streaming a radio station. They get disciplined for flagrantly disregarding company policy, not for harming the network. We always stop it before it comes to harm. I've got no objection to streaming radio on principle; it's just a question of resources
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As a NFP, it's difficult to justify ANY more expense these days, and particularly if some staff are using the corporate bandwidth for personal purposes. So, the bandwidth is just fine if people use it solely for BUSINESS! Murray -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS As with all things policy: YMMV. But 5-10% of 40 users is 2-4 streams. If 64-128Kbps is going to be a deal-breaker, than I'd suggest you are bandwidth starved anyway. Such is probably the case with many SOHO/non-profit institutions, and undoubtedly factors in. -sc -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS It could sure. But if you have 1000 users, what percentage do you suppose would actually do it? I manage a net for ~1600 users. I'd guess maybe 5% actually opt to stream something. Like I say, weighted queues... -sc -Original Message- From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS If all of your staff plugs in a radio, does it prevent staff from turning on their lights? I'm guessing not. However, if all of your staff starts streaming radio, it can (at least in many environments) prevent staff from getting to internet resources they need to do their jobs. I can't speak for anybody else out there, but we have run into that kind of problem in the past when we couldn't effectively prevent unauthorized streaming access. May or may not be an issue for small shops, but when you have ~1000 users, it adds up. Bill Mayo -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS True, it's not a perfect argument, but here we do pay more for power than Internet. Just trying to change the perspective of the way we look at it. Sam -Original Message- From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS That is the same in wording only. The pipe electricity comes down is so much larger and cheaper than the pipe bandwidth for streaming radio comes down. That is exactly the apples and oranges conversation. Both are edible (play music), both are good for you (consume power or bandwidth), and both are not required (you could be working instead). -- From: Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS The company also provides power; can they plug in a radio and use your electricity? -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: You fire people for Streaming Radio? Yikes. FWIW: We haven't, but we do have it in our policy manual that streaming media without a business purpose is forbidden, and subject to disciplinary action. I have had to have a few people formally written up, but it's never gone beyond that. We also endeavor to block that stuff at the proxy server, but filtering is imperfect. If the network suffers, the whole business suffers - but that's IT's fault, not the person streaming a radio station. They get disciplined for flagrantly disregarding company policy, not for harming the network. We always stop it before it comes to harm. I've got no objection to streaming radio on principle; it's just a question of resources. The company isn't providing an Internet feed so people can listen to the radio on their PC, and we're not about
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Absolutely we can and in fact we have a bonded T1 at present. And we can add more T1's to the bond, but the cost is not justified nor are the funds available. We're just fine if people don't stream!!! Murray -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line.' Can you bond anymore T1's? With our ISP you can add/remove as you please. Last I saw they were running a promo for 6Mbps (4-T1's) for $350/month with a 2 year term. That's probably cause our building is lit with Fiber; check with you building to see which ISP has your building lit. Sam -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS As with all things policy: YMMV. But 5-10% of 40 users is 2-4 streams. If 64-128Kbps is going to be a deal-breaker, than I'd suggest you are bandwidth starved anyway. Such is probably the case with many SOHO/non-profit institutions, and undoubtedly factors in. -sc -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS It could sure. But if you have 1000 users, what percentage do you suppose would actually do it? I manage a net for ~1600 users. I'd guess maybe 5% actually opt to stream something. Like I say, weighted queues... -sc -Original Message- From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS If all of your staff plugs in a radio, does it prevent staff from turning on their lights? I'm guessing not. However, if all of your staff starts streaming radio, it can (at least in many environments) prevent staff from getting to internet resources they need to do their jobs. I can't speak for anybody else out there, but we have run into that kind of problem in the past when we couldn't effectively prevent unauthorized streaming access. May or may not be an issue for small shops, but when you have ~1000 users, it adds up. Bill Mayo -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS True, it's not a perfect argument, but here we do pay more for power than Internet. Just trying to change the perspective of the way we look at it. Sam -Original Message- From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS That is the same in wording only. The pipe electricity comes down is so much larger and cheaper than the pipe bandwidth for streaming radio comes down. That is exactly the apples and oranges conversation. Both are edible (play music), both are good for you (consume power or bandwidth), and both are not required (you could be working instead). -- From: Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS The company also provides power; can they plug in a radio and use your electricity? -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: You fire people for Streaming Radio? Yikes. FWIW: We haven't, but we do have it in our policy manual that streaming media without a business purpose is forbidden, and subject to disciplinary action. I have had to have a few people formally written up, but it's never gone beyond that. We also endeavor to block that stuff at the proxy server
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I understand not flogging dead equine, but as a matter of interest, do you know what your line current usage is? Would you be philosophically opposed to creating a lower priority queue for such things? -sc -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS As a NFP, it's difficult to justify ANY more expense these days, and particularly if some staff are using the corporate bandwidth for personal purposes. So, the bandwidth is just fine if people use it solely for BUSINESS! Murray -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS As with all things policy: YMMV. But 5-10% of 40 users is 2-4 streams. If 64-128Kbps is going to be a deal-breaker, than I'd suggest you are bandwidth starved anyway. Such is probably the case with many SOHO/non-profit institutions, and undoubtedly factors in. -sc -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS It could sure. But if you have 1000 users, what percentage do you suppose would actually do it? I manage a net for ~1600 users. I'd guess maybe 5% actually opt to stream something. Like I say, weighted queues... -sc -Original Message- From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS If all of your staff plugs in a radio, does it prevent staff from turning on their lights? I'm guessing not. However, if all of your staff starts streaming radio, it can (at least in many environments) prevent staff from getting to internet resources they need to do their jobs. I can't speak for anybody else out there, but we have run into that kind of problem in the past when we couldn't effectively prevent unauthorized streaming access. May or may not be an issue for small shops, but when you have ~1000 users, it adds up. Bill Mayo -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS True, it's not a perfect argument, but here we do pay more for power than Internet. Just trying to change the perspective of the way we look at it. Sam -Original Message- From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS That is the same in wording only. The pipe electricity comes down is so much larger and cheaper than the pipe bandwidth for streaming radio comes down. That is exactly the apples and oranges conversation. Both are edible (play music), both are good for you (consume power or bandwidth), and both are not required (you could be working instead). -- From: Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS The company also provides power; can they plug in a radio and use your electricity? -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: You fire people for Streaming Radio? Yikes. FWIW: We haven't, but we do have it in our policy manual that streaming media without a business purpose is forbidden, and subject to disciplinary action. I have had to have a few people formally written up, but it's never gone beyond that. We also endeavor to block that stuff at the proxy server, but filtering is imperfect. If the network suffers, the whole business suffers - but that's IT's fault
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Yes. If it isn't business related, there's no reason for it to occurr. We have an excellent vacation program along with an extremely liberal paid personal time off policy. If they need to download movies or music, stay home and do it there. Murray -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I understand not flogging dead equine, but as a matter of interest, do you know what your line current usage is? Would you be philosophically opposed to creating a lower priority queue for such things? -sc -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS As a NFP, it's difficult to justify ANY more expense these days, and particularly if some staff are using the corporate bandwidth for personal purposes. So, the bandwidth is just fine if people use it solely for BUSINESS! Murray -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS As with all things policy: YMMV. But 5-10% of 40 users is 2-4 streams. If 64-128Kbps is going to be a deal-breaker, than I'd suggest you are bandwidth starved anyway. Such is probably the case with many SOHO/non-profit institutions, and undoubtedly factors in. -sc -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS It could sure. But if you have 1000 users, what percentage do you suppose would actually do it? I manage a net for ~1600 users. I'd guess maybe 5% actually opt to stream something. Like I say, weighted queues... -sc -Original Message- From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS If all of your staff plugs in a radio, does it prevent staff from turning on their lights? I'm guessing not. However, if all of your staff starts streaming radio, it can (at least in many environments) prevent staff from getting to internet resources they need to do their jobs. I can't speak for anybody else out there, but we have run into that kind of problem in the past when we couldn't effectively prevent unauthorized streaming access. May or may not be an issue for small shops, but when you have ~1000 users, it adds up. Bill Mayo -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS True, it's not a perfect argument, but here we do pay more for power than Internet. Just trying to change the perspective of the way we look at it. Sam -Original Message- From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS That is the same in wording only. The pipe electricity comes down is so much larger and cheaper than the pipe bandwidth for streaming radio comes down. That is exactly the apples and oranges conversation. Both are edible (play music), both are good for you (consume power or bandwidth), and both are not required (you could be working instead). -- From: Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS The company also provides power; can they plug in a radio and use your electricity? -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: You fire people for Streaming Radio
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Well downloading movies/music != streaming a public radio broadcast. So no non-business related activity allowed during work hours, period? -sc -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Yes. If it isn't business related, there's no reason for it to occurr. We have an excellent vacation program along with an extremely liberal paid personal time off policy. If they need to download movies or music, stay home and do it there. Murray -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I understand not flogging dead equine, but as a matter of interest, do you know what your line current usage is? Would you be philosophically opposed to creating a lower priority queue for such things? -sc -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS As a NFP, it's difficult to justify ANY more expense these days, and particularly if some staff are using the corporate bandwidth for personal purposes. So, the bandwidth is just fine if people use it solely for BUSINESS! Murray -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS As with all things policy: YMMV. But 5-10% of 40 users is 2-4 streams. If 64-128Kbps is going to be a deal-breaker, than I'd suggest you are bandwidth starved anyway. Such is probably the case with many SOHO/non-profit institutions, and undoubtedly factors in. -sc -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS It could sure. But if you have 1000 users, what percentage do you suppose would actually do it? I manage a net for ~1600 users. I'd guess maybe 5% actually opt to stream something. Like I say, weighted queues... -sc -Original Message- From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS If all of your staff plugs in a radio, does it prevent staff from turning on their lights? I'm guessing not. However, if all of your staff starts streaming radio, it can (at least in many environments) prevent staff from getting to internet resources they need to do their jobs. I can't speak for anybody else out there, but we have run into that kind of problem in the past when we couldn't effectively prevent unauthorized streaming access. May or may not be an issue for small shops, but when you have ~1000 users, it adds up. Bill Mayo -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS True, it's not a perfect argument, but here we do pay more for power than Internet. Just trying to change the perspective of the way we look at it. Sam -Original Message- From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS That is the same in wording only. The pipe electricity comes down is so much larger and cheaper than the pipe bandwidth for streaming radio comes down. That is exactly the apples and oranges conversation. Both are edible (play music), both are good for you (consume power or bandwidth), and both are not required (you could be working instead). -- From: Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS The company also provides power; can they plug in a radio
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Yep, that's the rules! Murray -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Well downloading movies/music != streaming a public radio broadcast. So no non-business related activity allowed during work hours, period? -sc -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Yes. If it isn't business related, there's no reason for it to occurr. We have an excellent vacation program along with an extremely liberal paid personal time off policy. If they need to download movies or music, stay home and do it there. Murray -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I understand not flogging dead equine, but as a matter of interest, do you know what your line current usage is? Would you be philosophically opposed to creating a lower priority queue for such things? -sc -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS As a NFP, it's difficult to justify ANY more expense these days, and particularly if some staff are using the corporate bandwidth for personal purposes. So, the bandwidth is just fine if people use it solely for BUSINESS! Murray -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS As with all things policy: YMMV. But 5-10% of 40 users is 2-4 streams. If 64-128Kbps is going to be a deal-breaker, than I'd suggest you are bandwidth starved anyway. Such is probably the case with many SOHO/non-profit institutions, and undoubtedly factors in. -sc -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS It could sure. But if you have 1000 users, what percentage do you suppose would actually do it? I manage a net for ~1600 users. I'd guess maybe 5% actually opt to stream something. Like I say, weighted queues... -sc -Original Message- From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS If all of your staff plugs in a radio, does it prevent staff from turning on their lights? I'm guessing not. However, if all of your staff starts streaming radio, it can (at least in many environments) prevent staff from getting to internet resources they need to do their jobs. I can't speak for anybody else out there, but we have run into that kind of problem in the past when we couldn't effectively prevent unauthorized streaming access. May or may not be an issue for small shops, but when you have ~1000 users, it adds up. Bill Mayo -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS True, it's not a perfect argument, but here we do pay more for power than Internet. Just trying to change the perspective of the way we look at it. Sam -Original Message- From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS That is the same in wording only. The pipe electricity comes down is so much larger and cheaper than the pipe bandwidth for streaming radio comes down. That is exactly the apples and oranges conversation. Both are edible (play music), both are good for you (consume power or bandwidth), and both are not required (you could be working instead). -- From: Sam Cayze
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Bummer. -sc -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Yep, that's the rules! Murray -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Well downloading movies/music != streaming a public radio broadcast. So no non-business related activity allowed during work hours, period? -sc -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Yes. If it isn't business related, there's no reason for it to occurr. We have an excellent vacation program along with an extremely liberal paid personal time off policy. If they need to download movies or music, stay home and do it there. Murray -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I understand not flogging dead equine, but as a matter of interest, do you know what your line current usage is? Would you be philosophically opposed to creating a lower priority queue for such things? -sc -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS As a NFP, it's difficult to justify ANY more expense these days, and particularly if some staff are using the corporate bandwidth for personal purposes. So, the bandwidth is just fine if people use it solely for BUSINESS! Murray -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS As with all things policy: YMMV. But 5-10% of 40 users is 2-4 streams. If 64-128Kbps is going to be a deal-breaker, than I'd suggest you are bandwidth starved anyway. Such is probably the case with many SOHO/non-profit institutions, and undoubtedly factors in. -sc -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS It could sure. But if you have 1000 users, what percentage do you suppose would actually do it? I manage a net for ~1600 users. I'd guess maybe 5% actually opt to stream something. Like I say, weighted queues... -sc -Original Message- From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS If all of your staff plugs in a radio, does it prevent staff from turning on their lights? I'm guessing not. However, if all of your staff starts streaming radio, it can (at least in many environments) prevent staff from getting to internet resources they need to do their jobs. I can't speak for anybody else out there, but we have run into that kind of problem in the past when we couldn't effectively prevent unauthorized streaming access. May or may not be an issue for small shops, but when you have ~1000 users, it adds up. Bill Mayo -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS True, it's not a perfect argument, but here we do pay more for power than Internet. Just trying to change the perspective of the way we look at it. Sam -Original Message- From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS That is the same in wording only. The pipe electricity comes down is so much larger and cheaper than the pipe bandwidth for streaming radio comes down. That is exactly the apples and oranges conversation. Both are edible
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I PPTP to my house and play MP3's from a SMB share. Bandwidth, we don't need no stinkin bandwith From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Where my cubicle is, I get fluctuating cell phone signal, no satellite radio signal, and very poor radio reception because of the metal beams columns in the building infrastructure. I don't stream radio on the internet, or any other kind of media though because of the bandwidth that it takes. If I want to listen to music, I bring in my SanDisk or iPod Touch with my music on it, which between the two of them, has well over 8 hours of music with no repeatsseveral days worth actually ;) Commercial radio just annoys me anyway, which is why I have a satellite radio in my car. My point is, if an employee wants music at work, there are multiple ways to get it without using the internet On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.commailto:egold...@gmail.com wrote: What amazes me is that everyone chooses to piggyback on an expensive enterprise data network infrastructure and risk the flow of critical business data to *simulate* an inexpensive radio . It becomes much more an issue on T1 and similar connections when the critical data is flowing at a high rate. Even moreso now for those using VOIP on common bandwidth. If bandwidth is already precious, then streaming can have a negative effect for the business. If bandwidth is abundant, then it is much, much less an issue. Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.orgmailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Newark, TX, United States ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Ditto. I'm VPN'ed home all the time on our secondary DSL connection and stream music over the other corp connection. -sc From: Jeremy Anderson [mailto:jer...@mapiadmin.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I PPTP to my house and play MP3's from a SMB share. Bandwidth, we don't need no stinkin bandwith From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Where my cubicle is, I get fluctuating cell phone signal, no satellite radio signal, and very poor radio reception because of the metal beams columns in the building infrastructure. I don't stream radio on the internet, or any other kind of media though because of the bandwidth that it takes. If I want to listen to music, I bring in my SanDisk or iPod Touch with my music on it, which between the two of them, has well over 8 hours of music with no repeatsseveral days worth actually ;) Commercial radio just annoys me anyway, which is why I have a satellite radio in my car. My point is, if an employee wants music at work, there are multiple ways to get it without using the internet On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com wrote: What amazes me is that everyone chooses to piggyback on an expensive enterprise data network infrastructure and risk the flow of critical business data to *simulate* an inexpensive radio . It becomes much more an issue on T1 and similar connections when the critical data is flowing at a high rate. Even moreso now for those using VOIP on common bandwidth. If bandwidth is already precious, then streaming can have a negative effect for the business. If bandwidth is abundant, then it is much, much less an issue. Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Steve, it isn't the percentage of users that counts. It's the BANDWIDTH! A T1 line is more impacted than a T3. We have around 40 users, and if I had a T3, they could all probably stream without impacting the bandwidth, but if just 10% stream on a T1, it's noticible. We're a not-for-profit, so we can't afford a T3 line. Yet, if the entire office choose to make a phone call on our ATT lines, it goes unnoticed. Likewise, if everyone plugs in a radio or some other electric device, that too will go unnoticed. Finally, in my house, if my wife turns on the washing machine while I'm taking a shower, I notice a drop in pressure along with a lower temperature. It's all about the BANDWIDTH! LOL! Murray ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Newark, TX, United States ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Murray Freeman mfree...@alanet.org wrote: Good Morning. I'm trying to determine the cause of internet access slowness here. Start with traceroute. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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There's a chance you no longer have bonded T1's... Go online to find connection testers. See if your bandwidth is 1000 - 1500 rather than approaching 3000. This would indicate a failed T1 somewhere. Then, check your services router (where the two T1's connect), then possibly the building's NetPOP to check for lights. When this happened to us a few months back, we lucked out. The break was a bad cable between the wall jack and the router. (What we were dreading was to find that the long long cable between our server room and the building NetPOP was broken - that would have been slow and expensive to replace!) -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA® 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.org The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals® (ASPCA ®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Murray Freeman mfree...@alanet.org wrote on 11/10/2009 09:44:57 AM: Good Morning. I'm trying to determine the cause of internet access slowness here. We are a small organization of fewer than 40 employees, and use a bonded T1 line (3.0) for internet access. Our staff has complained about internet access slowness to me and I've suggested tha the problem is with the Internet, not our access. We are not budgeted to increase our access, and I'm not sure that that is the answer. Using Internet Explorer 8, I can see by the status bar at the bottom the message waiting and the url involved. Am I missing something here? Are there some things I can do to speed up internet access, or is the Internet just too clogged with activity? Murray ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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You can try this speed test - http://netspeed.stanford.edu/ _ Cameron Cooper IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified Aurico Reports, Inc Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896 ccoo...@aurico.com From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS There's a chance you no longer have bonded T1's... Go online to find connection testers. See if your bandwidth is 1000 - 1500 rather than approaching 3000. This would indicate a failed T1 somewhere. Then, check your services router (where the two T1's connect), then possibly the building's NetPOP to check for lights. When this happened to us a few months back, we lucked out. The break was a bad cable between the wall jack and the router. (What we were dreading was to find that the long long cable between our server room and the building NetPOP was broken - that would have been slow and expensive to replace!) -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA(r) 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.org http://www.aspca.org/ The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(r) (ASPCA(r)) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Murray Freeman mfree...@alanet.org wrote on 11/10/2009 09:44:57 AM: Good Morning. I'm trying to determine the cause of internet access slowness here. We are a small organization of fewer than 40 employees, and use a bonded T1 line (3.0) for internet access. Our staff has complained about internet access slowness to me and I've suggested tha the problem is with the Internet, not our access. We are not budgeted to increase our access, and I'm not sure that that is the answer. Using Internet Explorer 8, I can see by the status bar at the bottom the message waiting and the url involved. Am I missing something here? Are there some things I can do to speed up internet access, or is the Internet just too clogged with activity? Murray ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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To dovetail on the below http://www.speedtest.net/ is a good place to test from. You can pick points all over the world and see what you get. FWIW I had a bonded T1 at a 50 user office, it was not enough. It was saturated. HOWEVER, these were heavy surfers and downloaders, an advertising agency. From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS There's a chance you no longer have bonded T1's... Go online to find connection testers. See if your bandwidth is 1000 - 1500 rather than approaching 3000. This would indicate a failed T1 somewhere. Then, check your services router (where the two T1's connect), then possibly the building's NetPOP to check for lights. When this happened to us a few months back, we lucked out. The break was a bad cable between the wall jack and the router. (What we were dreading was to find that the long long cable between our server room and the building NetPOP was broken - that would have been slow and expensive to replace!) -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA(r) 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.orghttp://www.aspca.org/ The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(r) (ASPCA(r)) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Murray Freeman mfree...@alanet.org wrote on 11/10/2009 09:44:57 AM: Good Morning. I'm trying to determine the cause of internet access slowness here. We are a small organization of fewer than 40 employees, and use a bonded T1 line (3.0) for internet access. Our staff has complained about internet access slowness to me and I've suggested tha the problem is with the Internet, not our access. We are not budgeted to increase our access, and I'm not sure that that is the answer. Using Internet Explorer 8, I can see by the status bar at the bottom the message waiting and the url involved. Am I missing something here? Are there some things I can do to speed up internet access, or is the Internet just too clogged with activity? Murray ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Try looking at the T1 router to see if there are any errors on the line. Try going to somewhere like speedtest.net and run an internet speed test. Finally call your internet provider and see if there are any errors or alarms on your line. Also, you might want to make sure someone hasn't plugged in a switch to itself or into two different network jacks. We had a situation like that a couple times earlier this year and it brought our network to a crawl. John-AldrichTile-Tools From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: INTERNET SLOWNESS Good Morning. I'm trying to determine the cause of internet access slowness here. We are a small organization of fewer than 40 employees, and use a bonded T1 line (3.0) for internet access. Our staff has complained about internet access slowness to me and I've suggested tha the problem is with the Internet, not our access. We are not budgeted to increase our access, and I'm not sure that that is the answer. Using Internet Explorer 8, I can see by the status bar at the bottom the message waiting and the url involved. Am I missing something here? Are there some things I can do to speed up internet access, or is the Internet just too clogged with activity? Murray No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.59/2494 - Release Date: 11/10/09 07:38:00 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~image001.jpgimage002.jpg
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A bonded T1 for 50 users? My previous gig we only had one T1 for that many and until the users started pulling UTube during the day it was more than enough. After that the pipe was full and everyone complained. Good luck, Jon On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:57 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Try looking at the T1 router to see if there are any errors on the line. Try going to somewhere like speedtest.net and run an internet speed test. Finally call your internet provider and see if there are any errors or alarms on your line. Also, you might want to make sure someone hasn’t plugged in a switch to itself or into two different network jacks. We had a situation like that a couple times earlier this year and it brought our network to a crawl. [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools] *From:* Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:45 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* INTERNET SLOWNESS Good Morning. I'm trying to determine the cause of internet access slowness here. We are a small organization of fewer than 40 employees, and use a bonded T1 line (3.0) for internet access. Our staff has complained about internet access slowness to me and I've suggested tha the problem is with the Internet, not our access. We are not budgeted to increase our access, and I'm not sure that that is the answer. Using Internet Explorer 8, I can see by the status bar at the bottom the message waiting and the url involved. Am I missing something here? Are there some things I can do to speed up internet access, or is the Internet just too clogged with activity? *Murray * No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.59/2494 - Release Date: 11/10/09 07:38:00 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~image001.jpgimage002.jpg
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Aside from the previous suggestions, do you have content filtering on your firewall? Blocking streaming media/movies/ and so on and help reduce those staff members who are hogging all the bandwidth. Here we block the general streaming category and that's really helped to address complaints of slowness. Tom Murray Freeman mfree...@alanet.org 11/10/2009 10:44 AM Good Morning. I'm trying to determine the cause of internet access slowness here. We are a small organization of fewer than 40 employees, and use a bonded T1 line (3.0) for internet access. Our staff has complained about internet access slowness to me and I've suggested tha the problem is with the Internet, not our access. We are not budgeted to increase our access, and I'm not sure that that is the answer. Using Internet Explorer 8, I can see by the status bar at the bottom the message waiting and the url involved. Am I missing something here? Are there some things I can do to speed up internet access, or is the Internet just too clogged with activity? Murray Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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I do speed checks from time to time and we're usually in the 2800 to 2900 range. Murray From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS There's a chance you no longer have bonded T1's... Go online to find connection testers. See if your bandwidth is 1000 - 1500 rather than approaching 3000. This would indicate a failed T1 somewhere. Then, check your services router (where the two T1's connect), then possibly the building's NetPOP to check for lights. When this happened to us a few months back, we lucked out. The break was a bad cable between the wall jack and the router. (What we were dreading was to find that the long long cable between our server room and the building NetPOP was broken - that would have been slow and expensive to replace!) -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA(r) 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.org http://www.aspca.org/ The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(r) (ASPCA(r)) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Murray Freeman mfree...@alanet.org wrote on 11/10/2009 09:44:57 AM: Good Morning. I'm trying to determine the cause of internet access slowness here. We are a small organization of fewer than 40 employees, and use a bonded T1 line (3.0) for internet access. Our staff has complained about internet access slowness to me and I've suggested tha the problem is with the Internet, not our access. We are not budgeted to increase our access, and I'm not sure that that is the answer. Using Internet Explorer 8, I can see by the status bar at the bottom the message waiting and the url involved. Am I missing something here? Are there some things I can do to speed up internet access, or is the Internet just too clogged with activity? Murray ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Thanks for the responses! I believe that our internet access is working properly and sufficient for the number of users. We have done some checking to see if people are streaming or downloading music and movies, and we caught one individual who thankfully chose to find employment elsewhere. I'm of the opinion that the problem is the internet itself along with websites that do not have enough bandwidth for the number of daily accesses. That's why I mentioned the waiting message on the status bar at the bottom of IE8. When I access our own website which is housed in a different state, I don't get the waiting message as often or for the delay time that I get when accessing some major websites. Can anyone confirm my suspicions? Murray From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Aside from the previous suggestions, do you have content filtering on your firewall? Blocking streaming media/movies/ and so on and help reduce those staff members who are hogging all the bandwidth. Here we block the general streaming category and that's really helped to address complaints of slowness. Tom Murray Freeman mfree...@alanet.org 11/10/2009 10:44 AM Good Morning. I'm trying to determine the cause of internet access slowness here. We are a small organization of fewer than 40 employees, and use a bonded T1 line (3.0) for internet access. Our staff has complained about internet access slowness to me and I've suggested tha the problem is with the Internet, not our access. We are not budgeted to increase our access, and I'm not sure that that is the answer. Using Internet Explorer 8, I can see by the status bar at the bottom the message waiting and the url involved. Am I missing something here? Are there some things I can do to speed up internet access, or is the Internet just too clogged with activity? Murray Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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I haven't tried Chrome, but I have tried Firefox with the same results as IE8. Murray From: Walker, Michael [mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Murray, Just for the heck of it, try using Google's Chrome instead of IE and see what the difference is in accessing the different web sites. I have 30MB/2MB on my home network and IE is still slow sometimes. You can also try ping and traceroute tests. Even though your bandwidth tests fine, there might also be very high latency. Regards, Michael Walker Senior Network Engineer Citrus Valley Health Partners 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA 91723 Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882 mwal...@mail.cvhp.org mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I do speed checks from time to time and we're usually in the 2800 to 2900 range. Murray From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS There's a chance you no longer have bonded T1's... Go online to find connection testers. See if your bandwidth is 1000 - 1500 rather than approaching 3000. This would indicate a failed T1 somewhere. Then, check your services router (where the two T1's connect), then possibly the building's NetPOP to check for lights. When this happened to us a few months back, we lucked out. The break was a bad cable between the wall jack and the router. (What we were dreading was to find that the long long cable between our server room and the building NetPOP was broken - that would have been slow and expensive to replace!) -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA(r) 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.org http://www.aspca.org/ The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(r) (ASPCA(r)) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Murray Freeman mfree...@alanet.org wrote on 11/10/2009 09:44:57 AM: Good Morning. I'm trying to determine the cause of internet access slowness here. We are a small organization of fewer than 40 employees, and use a bonded T1 line (3.0) for internet access. Our staff has complained about internet access slowness to me and I've suggested tha the problem is with the Internet, not our access. We are not budgeted to increase our access, and I'm not sure that that is the answer. Using Internet Explorer 8, I can see by the status bar at the bottom the message waiting and the url involved. Am I missing something here? Are there some things I can do to speed up internet access, or is the Internet just too clogged with activity? Murray ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Chrome is much faster than firefox. In regards to your other post - if you have users streaming media, downloading MP3s, MS-Updates or other large files; you should see a hit when you do a bandwidth test. Michael Walker Senior Network Engineer Citrus Valley Health Partners 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA 91723 Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882 mwal...@mail.cvhp.org mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I haven't tried Chrome, but I have tried Firefox with the same results as IE8. Murray From: Walker, Michael [mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Murray, Just for the heck of it, try using Google's Chrome instead of IE and see what the difference is in accessing the different web sites. I have 30MB/2MB on my home network and IE is still slow sometimes. You can also try ping and traceroute tests. Even though your bandwidth tests fine, there might also be very high latency. Regards, Michael Walker Senior Network Engineer Citrus Valley Health Partners 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA 91723 Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882 mwal...@mail.cvhp.org mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I do speed checks from time to time and we're usually in the 2800 to 2900 range. Murray From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS There's a chance you no longer have bonded T1's... Go online to find connection testers. See if your bandwidth is 1000 - 1500 rather than approaching 3000. This would indicate a failed T1 somewhere. Then, check your services router (where the two T1's connect), then possibly the building's NetPOP to check for lights. When this happened to us a few months back, we lucked out. The break was a bad cable between the wall jack and the router. (What we were dreading was to find that the long long cable between our server room and the building NetPOP was broken - that would have been slow and expensive to replace!) -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA(r) 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.org http://www.aspca.org/ The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(r) (ASPCA(r)) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Murray Freeman mfree...@alanet.org wrote on 11/10/2009 09:44:57 AM: Good Morning. I'm trying to determine the cause of internet access slowness here. We are a small organization of fewer than 40 employees, and use a bonded T1 line (3.0) for internet access. Our staff has complained about internet access slowness to me and I've suggested tha the problem is with the Internet, not our access. We are not budgeted to increase our access, and I'm not sure that that is the answer. Using Internet Explorer 8, I can see by the status bar at the bottom the message waiting and the url involved. Am I missing something here? Are there some things I can do to speed up internet access, or is the Internet just too clogged with activity? Murray ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Murray, Just for the heck of it, try using Google's Chrome instead of IE and see what the difference is in accessing the different web sites. I have 30MB/2MB on my home network and IE is still slow sometimes. You can also try ping and traceroute tests. Even though your bandwidth tests fine, there might also be very high latency. Regards, Michael Walker Senior Network Engineer Citrus Valley Health Partners 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA 91723 Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882 mwal...@mail.cvhp.org mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I do speed checks from time to time and we're usually in the 2800 to 2900 range. Murray From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS There's a chance you no longer have bonded T1's... Go online to find connection testers. See if your bandwidth is 1000 - 1500 rather than approaching 3000. This would indicate a failed T1 somewhere. Then, check your services router (where the two T1's connect), then possibly the building's NetPOP to check for lights. When this happened to us a few months back, we lucked out. The break was a bad cable between the wall jack and the router. (What we were dreading was to find that the long long cable between our server room and the building NetPOP was broken - that would have been slow and expensive to replace!) -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA(r) 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.org http://www.aspca.org/ The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(r) (ASPCA(r)) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. Murray Freeman mfree...@alanet.org wrote on 11/10/2009 09:44:57 AM: Good Morning. I'm trying to determine the cause of internet access slowness here. We are a small organization of fewer than 40 employees, and use a bonded T1 line (3.0) for internet access. Our staff has complained about internet access slowness to me and I've suggested tha the problem is with the Internet, not our access. We are not budgeted to increase our access, and I'm not sure that that is the answer. Using Internet Explorer 8, I can see by the status bar at the bottom the message waiting and the url involved. Am I missing something here? Are there some things I can do to speed up internet access, or is the Internet just too clogged with activity? Murray ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Advertising Agency, I can't begin to describe it. You had a problem with YouTube, they didn't care if the staff used YouPorn. I got yelled at for deleting 10 gigs of pirated music off a server.. From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS A bonded T1 for 50 users? My previous gig we only had one T1 for that many and until the users started pulling UTube during the day it was more than enough. After that the pipe was full and everyone complained. Good luck, Jon On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:57 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Try looking at the T1 router to see if there are any errors on the line. Try going to somewhere like speedtest.nethttp://speedtest.net/ and run an internet speed test. Finally call your internet provider and see if there are any errors or alarms on your line. Also, you might want to make sure someone hasn't plugged in a switch to itself or into two different network jacks. We had a situation like that a couple times earlier this year and it brought our network to a crawl. [cid:image001.jpg@01CA6200.C2B1BA70][cid:image002@01ca6200.c2b1ba70] From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.orgmailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: INTERNET SLOWNESS Good Morning. I'm trying to determine the cause of internet access slowness here. We are a small organization of fewer than 40 employees, and use a bonded T1 line (3.0) for internet access. Our staff has complained about internet access slowness to me and I've suggested tha the problem is with the Internet, not our access. We are not budgeted to increase our access, and I'm not sure that that is the answer. Using Internet Explorer 8, I can see by the status bar at the bottom the message waiting and the url involved. Am I missing something here? Are there some things I can do to speed up internet access, or is the Internet just too clogged with activity? Murray No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com/ Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.59/2494 - Release Date: 11/10/09 07:38:00 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~inline: image001.jpginline: image002.jpg
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We never delete music we just move it to a USB external - we have a pretty nice collection of confiscated media ! John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud From: Kennedy, Jim To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Tue Nov 10 12:24:35 2009 Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Advertising Agency, I can’t begin to describe it. You had a problem with YouTube, they didn’t care if the staff used YouPorn. I got yelled at for deleting 10 gigs of pirated music off a server…… From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS A bonded T1 for 50 users? My previous gig we only had one T1 for that many and until the users started pulling UTube during the day it was more than enough. After that the pipe was full and everyone complained. Good luck, Jon On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:57 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Try looking at the T1 router to see if there are any errors on the line. Try going to somewhere like speedtest.nethttp://speedtest.net/ and run an internet speed test. Finally call your internet provider and see if there are any errors or alarms on your line. Also, you might want to make sure someone hasn’t plugged in a switch to itself or into two different network jacks. We had a situation like that a couple times earlier this year and it brought our network to a crawl. [cid:image001.jpg@01CA6200.C2B1BA70][cid:image002@01ca6200.c2b1ba70] From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.orgmailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: INTERNET SLOWNESS Good Morning. I'm trying to determine the cause of internet access slowness here. We are a small organization of fewer than 40 employees, and use a bonded T1 line (3.0) for internet access. Our staff has complained about internet access slowness to me and I've suggested tha the problem is with the Internet, not our access. We are not budgeted to increase our access, and I'm not sure that that is the answer. Using Internet Explorer 8, I can see by the status bar at the bottom the message waiting and the url involved. Am I missing something here? Are there some things I can do to speed up internet access, or is the Internet just too clogged with activity? Murray No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com/ Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.59/2494 - Release Date: 11/10/09 07:38:00 CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ inline: image001.jpginline: image002.jpg
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Yeap, been there but what can you do if you are told NOT to do what is legal and the people you are supposed to report it to are some of the ones doing it? Jon On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Advertising Agency, I can’t begin to describe it. You had a problem with YouTube, they didn’t care if the staff used YouPorn. I got yelled at for deleting 10 gigs of pirated music off a server…… *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:04 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS A bonded T1 for 50 users? My previous gig we only had one T1 for that many and until the users started pulling UTube during the day it was more than enough. After that the pipe was full and everyone complained. Good luck, Jon On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:57 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Try looking at the T1 router to see if there are any errors on the line. Try going to somewhere like speedtest.net and run an internet speed test. Finally call your internet provider and see if there are any errors or alarms on your line. Also, you might want to make sure someone hasn’t plugged in a switch to itself or into two different network jacks. We had a situation like that a couple times earlier this year and it brought our network to a crawl. [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools] *From:* Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:45 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* INTERNET SLOWNESS Good Morning. I'm trying to determine the cause of internet access slowness here. We are a small organization of fewer than 40 employees, and use a bonded T1 line (3.0) for internet access. Our staff has complained about internet access slowness to me and I've suggested tha the problem is with the Internet, not our access. We are not budgeted to increase our access, and I'm not sure that that is the answer. Using Internet Explorer 8, I can see by the status bar at the bottom the message waiting and the url involved. Am I missing something here? Are there some things I can do to speed up internet access, or is the Internet just too clogged with activity? *Murray * No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.59/2494 - Release Date: 11/10/09 07:38:00 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~image001.jpgimage002.jpg
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You fire people for Streaming Radio? Yikes. I recommend you to do some configuration on your firewall to regulate bandwidth so stuff like this doesn't bring you down. There are many good reasons for streaming in a business environment, whether it is ambient listening or something like webinars, training, podcasts, etc. IT's job is to keep the network up, HR/Management's job is to keep the workforce productive. If the network suffers, the whole business suffers - but that's IT's fault, not the person streaming a radio station. A quick call to the ISP can easily help too. The can put a monitor on the line, verify all T1's are lit, and even run a bandwidth report. Depending on your router, there may even be some access to reports on what protocol or IP is eating all your bandwidth. Sam Cayze Information Technology Administrator ROLLOUTS ONSITE * ON DEMAND LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/samcayze http://www.linkedin.com/in/samcayze FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/samcayze http://www.facebook.com/samcayze From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:03 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Thanks for the responses! I believe that our internet access is working properly and sufficient for the number of users. We have done some checking to see if people are streaming or downloading music and movies, and we caught one individual who thankfully chose to find employment elsewhere. I'm of the opinion that the problem is the internet itself along with websites that do not have enough bandwidth for the number of daily accesses. That's why I mentioned the waiting message on the status bar at the bottom of IE8. When I access our own website which is housed in a different state, I don't get the waiting message as often or for the delay time that I get when accessing some major websites. Can anyone confirm my suspicions? Murray From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Aside from the previous suggestions, do you have content filtering on your firewall? Blocking streaming media/movies/ and so on and help reduce those staff members who are hogging all the bandwidth. Here we block the general streaming category and that's really helped to address complaints of slowness. Tom Murray Freeman mfree...@alanet.org 11/10/2009 10:44 AM Good Morning. I'm trying to determine the cause of internet access slowness here. We are a small organization of fewer than 40 employees, and use a bonded T1 line (3.0) for internet access. Our staff has complained about internet access slowness to me and I've suggested tha the problem is with the Internet, not our access. We are not budgeted to increase our access, and I'm not sure that that is the answer. Using Internet Explorer 8, I can see by the status bar at the bottom the message waiting and the url involved. Am I missing something here? Are there some things I can do to speed up internet access, or is the Internet just too clogged with activity? Murray Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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you are told NOT to do what is legal, in other words, asked to do or allow something illegal? Is this really a question? Leave From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Yeap, been there but what can you do if you are told NOT to do what is legal and the people you are supposed to report it to are some of the ones doing it? Jon On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.orgmailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Advertising Agency, I can't begin to describe it. You had a problem with YouTube, they didn't care if the staff used YouPorn. I got yelled at for deleting 10 gigs of pirated music off a server.. From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.commailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS A bonded T1 for 50 users? My previous gig we only had one T1 for that many and until the users started pulling UTube during the day it was more than enough. After that the pipe was full and everyone complained. Good luck, Jon On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:57 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Try looking at the T1 router to see if there are any errors on the line. Try going to somewhere like speedtest.nethttp://speedtest.net/ and run an internet speed test. Finally call your internet provider and see if there are any errors or alarms on your line. Also, you might want to make sure someone hasn't plugged in a switch to itself or into two different network jacks. We had a situation like that a couple times earlier this year and it brought our network to a crawl. [cid:image001.jpg@01CA61E8.C12980B0][cid:image002@01ca61e8.c12980b0] From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.orgmailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: INTERNET SLOWNESS Good Morning. I'm trying to determine the cause of internet access slowness here. We are a small organization of fewer than 40 employees, and use a bonded T1 line (3.0) for internet access. Our staff has complained about internet access slowness to me and I've suggested tha the problem is with the Internet, not our access. We are not budgeted to increase our access, and I'm not sure that that is the answer. Using Internet Explorer 8, I can see by the status bar at the bottom the message waiting and the url involved. Am I missing something here? Are there some things I can do to speed up internet access, or is the Internet just too clogged with activity? Murray No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com/ Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.59/2494 - Release Date: 11/10/09 07:38:00 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~inline: image001.jpginline: image002.jpg
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Policies backed by HR upper mgmt are a wonderful thing. I liken it to the drug war - you can only do so much on the front line till you're fully supported. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud From: Sam Cayze To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Tue Nov 10 12:29:36 2009 Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS You fire people for Streaming Radio? Yikes. I recommend you to do some configuration on your firewall to regulate bandwidth so stuff like this doesn’t bring you down. There are many good reasons for streaming in a business environment, whether it is ambient listening or something like webinars, training, podcasts, etc. IT’s job is to keep the network up, HR/Management’s job is to keep the workforce productive. If the network suffers, the whole business suffers – but that’s IT’s fault, not the person streaming a radio station. A quick call to the ISP can easily help too. The can put a monitor on the line, verify all T1’s are lit, and even run a bandwidth report. Depending on your router, there may even be some access to reports on what protocol or IP is eating all your bandwidth. Sam Cayze Information Technology Administrator ROLLOUTS ONSITE • ON DEMAND LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/samcayze FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/samcayze From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:03 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Thanks for the responses! I believe that our internet access is working properly and sufficient for the number of users. We have done some checking to see if people are streaming or downloading music and movies, and we caught one individual who thankfully chose to find employment elsewhere. I'm of the opinion that the problem is the internet itself along with websites that do not have enough bandwidth for the number of daily accesses. That's why I mentioned the waiting message on the status bar at the bottom of IE8. When I access our own website which is housed in a different state, I don't get the waiting message as often or for the delay time that I get when accessing some major websites. Can anyone confirm my suspicions? Murray From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Aside from the previous suggestions, do you have content filtering on your firewall? Blocking streaming media/movies/ and so on and help reduce those staff members who are hogging all the bandwidth. Here we block the general streaming category and that's really helped to address complaints of slowness. Tom Murray Freeman mfree...@alanet.org 11/10/2009 10:44 AM Good Morning. I'm trying to determine the cause of internet access slowness here. We are a small organization of fewer than 40 employees, and use a bonded T1 line (3.0) for internet access. Our staff has complained about internet access slowness to me and I've suggested tha the problem is with the Internet, not our access. We are not budgeted to increase our access, and I'm not sure that that is the answer. Using Internet Explorer 8, I can see by the status bar at the bottom the message waiting and the url involved. Am I missing something here? Are there some things I can do to speed up internet access, or is the Internet just too clogged with activity? Murray Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter
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Not sure what type of router you have, but the ASDM for our Cisco ASA has some pretty slick graphs that can show you your interface usage over several days. I convinced management to upgrade our Internet lines by proving that we were maximizing our bandwidth and these graphs helped do that. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Murray Freeman mfree...@alanet.org wrote: Good Morning. I'm trying to determine the cause of internet access slowness here. We are a small organization of fewer than 40 employees, and use a bonded T1 line (3.0) for internet access. Our staff has complained about internet access slowness to me and I've suggested tha the problem is with the Internet, not our access. We are not budgeted to increase our access, and I'm not sure that that is the answer. Using Internet Explorer 8, I can see by the status bar at the bottom the message waiting and the url involved. Am I missing something here? Are there some things I can do to speed up internet access, or is the Internet just too clogged with activity? *Murray * ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Murray Freeman mfree...@alanet.org wrote: That's why I mentioned the waiting message on the status bar at the bottom of IE8. Have you run traceroute yet? -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: You fire people for Streaming Radio? Yikes. FWIW: We haven't, but we do have it in our policy manual that streaming media without a business purpose is forbidden, and subject to disciplinary action. I have had to have a few people formally written up, but it's never gone beyond that. We also endeavor to block that stuff at the proxy server, but filtering is imperfect. If the network suffers, the whole business suffers – but that’s IT’s fault, not the person streaming a radio station. They get disciplined for flagrantly disregarding company policy, not for harming the network. We always stop it before it comes to harm. I've got no objection to streaming radio on principle; it's just a question of resources. The company isn't providing an Internet feed so people can listen to the radio on their PC, and we're not about to spend money upgrading it for that, either. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Not to hijack the thread, but is there a way to graph traffic between T1's to show to management in order to justify upgrading the speed? Jay -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: You fire people for Streaming Radio? Yikes. FWIW: We haven't, but we do have it in our policy manual that streaming media without a business purpose is forbidden, and subject to disciplinary action. I have had to have a few people formally written up, but it's never gone beyond that. We also endeavor to block that stuff at the proxy server, but filtering is imperfect. If the network suffers, the whole business suffers - but that's IT's fault, not the person streaming a radio station. They get disciplined for flagrantly disregarding company policy, not for harming the network. We always stop it before it comes to harm. I've got no objection to streaming radio on principle; it's just a question of resources. The company isn't providing an Internet feed so people can listen to the radio on their PC, and we're not about to spend money upgrading it for that, either. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Correct and no not a question. Jon On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:32 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: “you are told NOT to do what is legal”, in other words, asked to do or allow something illegal? Is this really a question? Leave *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:30 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Yeap, been there but what can you do if you are told NOT to do what is legal and the people you are supposed to report it to are some of the ones doing it? Jon On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Advertising Agency, I can’t begin to describe it. You had a problem with YouTube, they didn’t care if the staff used YouPorn. I got yelled at for deleting 10 gigs of pirated music off a server…… *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:04 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS A bonded T1 for 50 users? My previous gig we only had one T1 for that many and until the users started pulling UTube during the day it was more than enough. After that the pipe was full and everyone complained. Good luck, Jon On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:57 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Try looking at the T1 router to see if there are any errors on the line. Try going to somewhere like speedtest.net and run an internet speed test. Finally call your internet provider and see if there are any errors or alarms on your line. Also, you might want to make sure someone hasn’t plugged in a switch to itself or into two different network jacks. We had a situation like that a couple times earlier this year and it brought our network to a crawl. [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools] *From:* Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:45 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* INTERNET SLOWNESS Good Morning. I'm trying to determine the cause of internet access slowness here. We are a small organization of fewer than 40 employees, and use a bonded T1 line (3.0) for internet access. Our staff has complained about internet access slowness to me and I've suggested tha the problem is with the Internet, not our access. We are not budgeted to increase our access, and I'm not sure that that is the answer. Using Internet Explorer 8, I can see by the status bar at the bottom the message waiting and the url involved. Am I missing something here? Are there some things I can do to speed up internet access, or is the Internet just too clogged with activity? *Murray * No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.59/2494 - Release Date: 11/10/09 07:38:00 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~image001.jpgimage002.jpg
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MRTG -Original Message- From: Jay Dale [mailto:jd...@xpresstel.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Not to hijack the thread, but is there a way to graph traffic between T1's to show to management in order to justify upgrading the speed? Jay -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: You fire people for Streaming Radio? Yikes. FWIW: We haven't, but we do have it in our policy manual that streaming media without a business purpose is forbidden, and subject to disciplinary action. I have had to have a few people formally written up, but it's never gone beyond that. We also endeavor to block that stuff at the proxy server, but filtering is imperfect. If the network suffers, the whole business suffers - but that's IT's fault, not the person streaming a radio station. They get disciplined for flagrantly disregarding company policy, not for harming the network. We always stop it before it comes to harm. I've got no objection to streaming radio on principle; it's just a question of resources. The company isn't providing an Internet feed so people can listen to the radio on their PC, and we're not about to spend money upgrading it for that, either. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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The company also provides power; can they plug in a radio and use your electricity? -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: You fire people for Streaming Radio? Yikes. FWIW: We haven't, but we do have it in our policy manual that streaming media without a business purpose is forbidden, and subject to disciplinary action. I have had to have a few people formally written up, but it's never gone beyond that. We also endeavor to block that stuff at the proxy server, but filtering is imperfect. If the network suffers, the whole business suffers - but that's IT's fault, not the person streaming a radio station. They get disciplined for flagrantly disregarding company policy, not for harming the network. We always stop it before it comes to harm. I've got no objection to streaming radio on principle; it's just a question of resources. The company isn't providing an Internet feed so people can listen to the radio on their PC, and we're not about to spend money upgrading it for that, either. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Ask your internet provider if they can give you access to MRTG reports for your T1s. James - Original Message - From: Richard Stovall richard.stov...@researchdata.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:17 PM Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS MRTG -Original Message- From: Jay Dale [mailto:jd...@xpresstel.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Not to hijack the thread, but is there a way to graph traffic between T1's to show to management in order to justify upgrading the speed? Jay -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: You fire people for Streaming Radio? Yikes. FWIW: We haven't, but we do have it in our policy manual that streaming media without a business purpose is forbidden, and subject to disciplinary action. I have had to have a few people formally written up, but it's never gone beyond that. We also endeavor to block that stuff at the proxy server, but filtering is imperfect. If the network suffers, the whole business suffers - but that's IT's fault, not the person streaming a radio station. They get disciplined for flagrantly disregarding company policy, not for harming the network. We always stop it before it comes to harm. I've got no objection to streaming radio on principle; it's just a question of resources. The company isn't providing an Internet feed so people can listen to the radio on their PC, and we're not about to spend money upgrading it for that, either. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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That is the same in wording only. The pipe electricity comes down is so much larger and cheaper than the pipe bandwidth for streaming radio comes down. That is exactly the apples and oranges conversation. Both are edible (play music), both are good for you (consume power or bandwidth), and both are not required (you could be working instead). -- From: Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS The company also provides power; can they plug in a radio and use your electricity? -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: You fire people for Streaming Radio? Yikes. FWIW: We haven't, but we do have it in our policy manual that streaming media without a business purpose is forbidden, and subject to disciplinary action. I have had to have a few people formally written up, but it's never gone beyond that. We also endeavor to block that stuff at the proxy server, but filtering is imperfect. If the network suffers, the whole business suffers - but that's IT's fault, not the person streaming a radio station. They get disciplined for flagrantly disregarding company policy, not for harming the network. We always stop it before it comes to harm. I've got no objection to streaming radio on principle; it's just a question of resources. The company isn't providing an Internet feed so people can listen to the radio on their PC, and we're not about to spend money upgrading it for that, either. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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True, it's not a perfect argument, but here we do pay more for power than Internet. Just trying to change the perspective of the way we look at it. Sam -Original Message- From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS That is the same in wording only. The pipe electricity comes down is so much larger and cheaper than the pipe bandwidth for streaming radio comes down. That is exactly the apples and oranges conversation. Both are edible (play music), both are good for you (consume power or bandwidth), and both are not required (you could be working instead). -- From: Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS The company also provides power; can they plug in a radio and use your electricity? -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: You fire people for Streaming Radio? Yikes. FWIW: We haven't, but we do have it in our policy manual that streaming media without a business purpose is forbidden, and subject to disciplinary action. I have had to have a few people formally written up, but it's never gone beyond that. We also endeavor to block that stuff at the proxy server, but filtering is imperfect. If the network suffers, the whole business suffers - but that's IT's fault, not the person streaming a radio station. They get disciplined for flagrantly disregarding company policy, not for harming the network. We always stop it before it comes to harm. I've got no objection to streaming radio on principle; it's just a question of resources. The company isn't providing an Internet feed so people can listen to the radio on their PC, and we're not about to spend money upgrading it for that, either. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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If all of your staff plugs in a radio, does it prevent staff from turning on their lights? I'm guessing not. However, if all of your staff starts streaming radio, it can (at least in many environments) prevent staff from getting to internet resources they need to do their jobs. I can't speak for anybody else out there, but we have run into that kind of problem in the past when we couldn't effectively prevent unauthorized streaming access. May or may not be an issue for small shops, but when you have ~1000 users, it adds up. Bill Mayo -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS True, it's not a perfect argument, but here we do pay more for power than Internet. Just trying to change the perspective of the way we look at it. Sam -Original Message- From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS That is the same in wording only. The pipe electricity comes down is so much larger and cheaper than the pipe bandwidth for streaming radio comes down. That is exactly the apples and oranges conversation. Both are edible (play music), both are good for you (consume power or bandwidth), and both are not required (you could be working instead). -- From: Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS The company also provides power; can they plug in a radio and use your electricity? -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: You fire people for Streaming Radio? Yikes. FWIW: We haven't, but we do have it in our policy manual that streaming media without a business purpose is forbidden, and subject to disciplinary action. I have had to have a few people formally written up, but it's never gone beyond that. We also endeavor to block that stuff at the proxy server, but filtering is imperfect. If the network suffers, the whole business suffers - but that's IT's fault, not the person streaming a radio station. They get disciplined for flagrantly disregarding company policy, not for harming the network. We always stop it before it comes to harm. I've got no objection to streaming radio on principle; it's just a question of resources. The company isn't providing an Internet feed so people can listen to the radio on their PC, and we're not about to spend money upgrading it for that, either. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: The company also provides power; can they plug in a radio and use your electricity? That depends on whether or not everyone plugging in a radio would disrupt operations. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Exactly. That's why I suggested throttling the bandwidth for those things... Mark important services as a priority, with streaming being the lowest. That's how you manage a network. We have a coffee maker and a fridge for employees that would blow a fuse because the circuit was overloaded; it killed all the power for a cube of 4 workers frequently. (Really, true story). I allocated a different circuit to be used for those things to free up electricity for where it was needed more. That's how you manage electricity. See where I am going with this? Sam -Original Message- From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS If all of your staff plugs in a radio, does it prevent staff from turning on their lights? I'm guessing not. However, if all of your staff starts streaming radio, it can (at least in many environments) prevent staff from getting to internet resources they need to do their jobs. I can't speak for anybody else out there, but we have run into that kind of problem in the past when we couldn't effectively prevent unauthorized streaming access. May or may not be an issue for small shops, but when you have ~1000 users, it adds up. Bill Mayo -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS True, it's not a perfect argument, but here we do pay more for power than Internet. Just trying to change the perspective of the way we look at it. Sam -Original Message- From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS That is the same in wording only. The pipe electricity comes down is so much larger and cheaper than the pipe bandwidth for streaming radio comes down. That is exactly the apples and oranges conversation. Both are edible (play music), both are good for you (consume power or bandwidth), and both are not required (you could be working instead). -- From: Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS The company also provides power; can they plug in a radio and use your electricity? -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: You fire people for Streaming Radio? Yikes. FWIW: We haven't, but we do have it in our policy manual that streaming media without a business purpose is forbidden, and subject to disciplinary action. I have had to have a few people formally written up, but it's never gone beyond that. We also endeavor to block that stuff at the proxy server, but filtering is imperfect. If the network suffers, the whole business suffers - but that's IT's fault, not the person streaming a radio station. They get disciplined for flagrantly disregarding company policy, not for harming the network. We always stop it before it comes to harm. I've got no objection to streaming radio on principle; it's just a question of resources. The company isn't providing an Internet feed so people can listen to the radio on their PC, and we're not about to spend money upgrading it for that, either. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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You steadfastly seek other employment; meanwhile, collect those CYAs. Those same people will be quick to throw you under the bus should they get busted, so you won't win by remaining silent. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Providing Competitive Advantage through Effective IT Leadership* On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: Yeap, been there but what can you do if you are told NOT to do what is legal and the people you are supposed to report it to are some of the ones doing it? Jon On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: Advertising Agency, I can’t begin to describe it. You had a problem with YouTube, they didn’t care if the staff used YouPorn. I got yelled at for deleting 10 gigs of pirated music off a server…… *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:04 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS A bonded T1 for 50 users? My previous gig we only had one T1 for that many and until the users started pulling UTube during the day it was more than enough. After that the pipe was full and everyone complained. Good luck, Jon On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:57 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Try looking at the T1 router to see if there are any errors on the line. Try going to somewhere like speedtest.net and run an internet speed test. Finally call your internet provider and see if there are any errors or alarms on your line. Also, you might want to make sure someone hasn’t plugged in a switch to itself or into two different network jacks. We had a situation like that a couple times earlier this year and it brought our network to a crawl. [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools] *From:* Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:45 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* INTERNET SLOWNESS Good Morning. I'm trying to determine the cause of internet access slowness here. We are a small organization of fewer than 40 employees, and use a bonded T1 line (3.0) for internet access. Our staff has complained about internet access slowness to me and I've suggested tha the problem is with the Internet, not our access. We are not budgeted to increase our access, and I'm not sure that that is the answer. Using Internet Explorer 8, I can see by the status bar at the bottom the message waiting and the url involved. Am I missing something here? Are there some things I can do to speed up internet access, or is the Internet just too clogged with activity? *Murray * No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.59/2494 - Release Date: 11/10/09 07:38:00 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~image002.jpgimage001.jpg
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Or you block it outright. Depends on the environment. Not everyone is allowed to have streaming audio, or personal coffee makers. -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: Exactly. That's why I suggested throttling the bandwidth for those things... Mark important services as a priority, with streaming being the lowest. That's how you manage a network. We have a coffee maker and a fridge for employees that would blow a fuse because the circuit was overloaded; it killed all the power for a cube of 4 workers frequently. (Really, true story). I allocated a different circuit to be used for those things to free up electricity for where it was needed more. That's how you manage electricity. See where I am going with this? Sam -Original Message- From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS If all of your staff plugs in a radio, does it prevent staff from turning on their lights? I'm guessing not. However, if all of your staff starts streaming radio, it can (at least in many environments) prevent staff from getting to internet resources they need to do their jobs. I can't speak for anybody else out there, but we have run into that kind of problem in the past when we couldn't effectively prevent unauthorized streaming access. May or may not be an issue for small shops, but when you have ~1000 users, it adds up. Bill Mayo ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Stop going to www.x ? Seriously, this can be any number of things, from an overloaded web server on the other end to connections problems on your end. tracert and ping turnaround checks are your friends. On 6/4/08 12:21 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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Scan for spyware/scumware/Trojans. From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: INTERNET SLOWNESS Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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DONE that and I do it regularly! Murray From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Scan for spyware/scumware/Trojans. From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: INTERNET SLOWNESS Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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Some links? From the same site? What sites? Site-related issues do not necessarily reflect the state of teh Internets. I haven't had any problems on my end all day so far. If we knew what sites you were having issues with, maybe we could do some independent tests. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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Speedtest.net Also, I wonder if your AV scanner integrates into your browser. Sometimes that can bring things to a crawl. From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: INTERNET SLOWNESS Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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Try turning off the Phishing filter in the browser. I had an issue a while back where the Phishing filter caused slowness because the browser couldn't contact MS's phishing site. From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS DONE that and I do it regularly! Murray _ From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Scan for spyware/scumware/Trojans. From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: INTERNET SLOWNESS Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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It's happening a lot, and not necessarily the same sites, but 2 for sure are online versions of 2 Chicago newspapers. Murray -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Some links? From the same site? What sites? Site-related issues do not necessarily reflect the state of teh Internets. I haven't had any problems on my end all day so far. If we knew what sites you were having issues with, maybe we could do some independent tests. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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I've checked a couple of different speed tests, and our bonded T1 line is running full speed ahead. Murray From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Speedtest.net Also, I wonder if your AV scanner integrates into your browser. Sometimes that can bring things to a crawl. From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: INTERNET SLOWNESS Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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Are they heavy with script/flash/images etc? Which antivirus/anti-malware software are you running? On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's happening a lot, and not necessarily the same sites, but 2 for sure are online versions of 2 Chicago newspapers. Murray -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Some links? From the same site? What sites? Site-related issues do not necessarily reflect the state of teh Internets. I haven't had any problems on my end all day so far. If we knew what sites you were having issues with, maybe we could do some independent tests. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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I actually tested that first when I noticed the slowness. Murray From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Try turning off the Phishing filter in the browser. I had an issue a while back where the Phishing filter caused slowness because the browser couldn't contact MS's phishing site. From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS DONE that and I do it regularly! Murray From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Scan for spyware/scumware/Trojans. From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: INTERNET SLOWNESS Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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I appreciate the suggestions, but is anyone else here noticing the same thing? Murray From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS DNS Poisoning? - Original Message - From: Murray Freeman mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:40 PM Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS DONE that and I do it regularly! Murray From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Scan for spyware/scumware/Trojans. From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: INTERNET SLOWNESS Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray __ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are property of Indiana Members Credit Union, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not one of the named recipient(s) or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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Sorry... I unplugged the internet so that I could plug in my Xbox360. My bad. :-P From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:55 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I've checked a couple of different speed tests, and our bonded T1 line is running full speed ahead. Murray From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Speedtest.net Also, I wonder if your AV scanner integrates into your browser. Sometimes that can bring things to a crawl. From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: INTERNET SLOWNESS Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS
Running McAfee Virusscan, and most sites these days run script/flash/images. Murray -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Are they heavy with script/flash/images etc? Which antivirus/anti-malware software are you running? On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's happening a lot, and not necessarily the same sites, but 2 for sure are online versions of 2 Chicago newspapers. Murray -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Some links? From the same site? What sites? Site-related issues do not necessarily reflect the state of teh Internets. I haven't had any problems on my end all day so far. If we knew what sites you were having issues with, maybe we could do some independent tests. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS
begin snark Yes, any attempt to access www. is slow end snark What does tracert tell you about connections to that host? Do PINGs succeed? If it does come up, are the page elements being served from hosts that are slow (ala MySpace?) Can I have a pony? On 6/4/08 12:58 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appreciate the suggestions, but is anyone else here noticing the same thing? Murray From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS DNS Poisoning? - Original Message - From: Murray Freeman mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:40 PM Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS DONE that and I do it regularly! Murray From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Scan for spyware/scumware/Trojans. From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: INTERNET SLOWNESS Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray __ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are property of Indiana Members Credit Union, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not one of the named recipient(s) or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS
Somebody's surfing too much internet porn. Really if somebody is plugging up your internet connection and you want to find out who, install OpenXtra Ntop on a system, set its port in the switch as the monitoring port for the port your router is plugged into, fire up Ntop and let it collect some statistics for a few minutes, go to http://systemname:3000 - All Protocols - Thoroughput - click header Current to sort by that field. Then go all BOFH on them. Phillip Partipilo Parametric Solutions Inc. Jupiter, Florida (561) 747-6107 _ From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: INTERNET SLOWNESS Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray _ If this email is spam, report it here: http://www.OnlyMyEmail.com/ReportSpam http://www.onlymyemail.com/view/?action=reportSpamId=ODEzNjQ6NjU1MDk5Nzg1O nBqcEBwc25ldC5jb20%3D ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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To be honest, I suspect that the Internet is extremely busy or my IP has a problem. The only other thought is the latest updates to IE7. Maybe i should start using Firefox. Murray From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Somebody's surfing too much internet porn. Really if somebody is plugging up your internet connection and you want to find out who, install OpenXtra Ntop on a system, set its port in the switch as the monitoring port for the port your router is plugged into, fire up Ntop and let it collect some statistics for a few minutes, go to http://systemname:3000 - All Protocols - Thoroughput - click header Current to sort by that field. Then go all BOFH on them. Phillip Partipilo Parametric Solutions Inc. Jupiter, Florida (561) 747-6107 From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: INTERNET SLOWNESS Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray If this email is spam, report it here: http://www.OnlyMyEmail.com/ReportSpam http://www.onlymyemail.com/view/?action=reportSpamId=ODEzNjQ6NjU1MDk5N zg1OnBqcEBwc25ldC5jb20%3D ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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Yea, but that's not what I asked. Are these sites *heavy* with them. Those things would take longer to be scanned by whatever software you are running. No additional spyware/malware software running? Have you tested behavior with McAfee temporarily disabled? On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Running McAfee Virusscan, and most sites these days run script/flash/images. Murray -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Are they heavy with script/flash/images etc? Which antivirus/anti-malware software are you running? On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's happening a lot, and not necessarily the same sites, but 2 for sure are online versions of 2 Chicago newspapers. Murray -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Some links? From the same site? What sites? Site-related issues do not necessarily reflect the state of teh Internets. I haven't had any problems on my end all day so far. If we knew what sites you were having issues with, maybe we could do some independent tests. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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I think it would be best to figure out what is wrong with your connection and/or IE. Do you have an abundance of add-ons? On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be honest, I suspect that the Internet is extremely busy or my IP has a problem. The only other thought is the latest updates to IE7. Maybe i should start using Firefox. Murray From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Somebody's surfing too much internet porn. Really if somebody is plugging up your internet connection and you want to find out who, install OpenXtra Ntop on a system, set its port in the switch as the monitoring port for the port your router is plugged into, fire up Ntop and let it collect some statistics for a few minutes, go to http://systemname:3000 - All Protocols - Thoroughput - click header Current to sort by that field. Then go all BOFH on them. Phillip Partipilo Parametric Solutions Inc. Jupiter, Florida (561) 747-6107 From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: INTERNET SLOWNESS Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray If this email is spam, report it here: http://www.OnlyMyEmail.com/ReportSpam -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS
I have found that all of my applications run significantly faster with McAfee permanently disabled. -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Yea, but that's not what I asked. Are these sites *heavy* with them. Those things would take longer to be scanned by whatever software you are running. No additional spyware/malware software running? Have you tested behavior with McAfee temporarily disabled? On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Running McAfee Virusscan, and most sites these days run script/flash/images. Murray -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Are they heavy with script/flash/images etc? Which antivirus/anti-malware software are you running? On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's happening a lot, and not necessarily the same sites, but 2 for sure are online versions of 2 Chicago newspapers. Murray -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Some links? From the same site? What sites? Site-related issues do not necessarily reflect the state of teh Internets. I haven't had any problems on my end all day so far. If we knew what sites you were having issues with, maybe we could do some independent tests. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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I'm assuming, though, that this is a new problem, and he's used McAfee for a while. Is anyone else at your location complaining of slowness issues? -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I have found that all of my applications run significantly faster with McAfee permanently disabled. -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Yea, but that's not what I asked. Are these sites *heavy* with them. Those things would take longer to be scanned by whatever software you are running. No additional spyware/malware software running? Have you tested behavior with McAfee temporarily disabled? On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Running McAfee Virusscan, and most sites these days run script/flash/images. Murray -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Are they heavy with script/flash/images etc? Which antivirus/anti-malware software are you running? On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's happening a lot, and not necessarily the same sites, but 2 for sure are online versions of 2 Chicago newspapers. Murray -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Some links? From the same site? What sites? Site-related issues do not necessarily reflect the state of teh Internets. I haven't had any problems on my end all day so far. If we knew what sites you were having issues with, maybe we could do some independent tests. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS
I have had one user complain of exactly what you're describing. Can't put my finger on it, but it's not bad enough that she's complaining daily. Aaron From: Tom Strader - NCBPAC Systems Administrator [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Not in Charlotte, NC From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I appreciate the suggestions, but is anyone else here noticing the same thing? Murray From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS DNS Poisoning? - Original Message - From: Murray Freeman mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:40 PM Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS DONE that and I do it regularly! Murray From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Scan for spyware/scumware/Trojans. From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: INTERNET SLOWNESS Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray __ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are property of Indiana Members Credit Union, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not one of the named recipient(s) or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS
My wife doesn't work here, but we do have a toaster, microwave, dishwasher iand 2 refrigs in our lunch room. Maybe that's the problem. (:-) Murray From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS No. Have the wife unplug the toaster and see what happens. From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I appreciate the suggestions, but is anyone else here noticing the same thing? Murray From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS DNS Poisoning? - Original Message - From: Murray Freeman mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:40 PM Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS DONE that and I do it regularly! Murray From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Scan for spyware/scumware/Trojans. From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: INTERNET SLOWNESS Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray __ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are property of Indiana Members Credit Union, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not one of the named recipient(s) or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS
We've had McAfee for many years and this is a new problem! Murray -Original Message- From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I'm assuming, though, that this is a new problem, and he's used McAfee for a while. Is anyone else at your location complaining of slowness issues? -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I have found that all of my applications run significantly faster with McAfee permanently disabled. -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Yea, but that's not what I asked. Are these sites *heavy* with them. Those things would take longer to be scanned by whatever software you are running. No additional spyware/malware software running? Have you tested behavior with McAfee temporarily disabled? On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Running McAfee Virusscan, and most sites these days run script/flash/images. Murray -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Are they heavy with script/flash/images etc? Which antivirus/anti-malware software are you running? On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's happening a lot, and not necessarily the same sites, but 2 for sure are online versions of 2 Chicago newspapers. Murray -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Some links? From the same site? What sites? Site-related issues do not necessarily reflect the state of teh Internets. I haven't had any problems on my end all day so far. If we knew what sites you were having issues with, maybe we could do some independent tests. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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It tells me when it's loading those things. It appears to be waiting for the site to respond! Murray -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Yea, but that's not what I asked. Are these sites *heavy* with them. Those things would take longer to be scanned by whatever software you are running. No additional spyware/malware software running? Have you tested behavior with McAfee temporarily disabled? On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Running McAfee Virusscan, and most sites these days run script/flash/images. Murray -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Are they heavy with script/flash/images etc? Which antivirus/anti-malware software are you running? On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's happening a lot, and not necessarily the same sites, but 2 for sure are online versions of 2 Chicago newspapers. Murray -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Some links? From the same site? What sites? Site-related issues do not necessarily reflect the state of teh Internets. I haven't had any problems on my end all day so far. If we knew what sites you were having issues with, maybe we could do some independent tests. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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Interesting that no one else is complaing here, and I have the same problem at home, now that I think about it. I'm sure others here are having the same problem, but just aren't complaining, and I just hate to bring it up and cause an avalanche! Murray From: Aaron T. Rohyans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I have had one user complain of exactly what you're describing. Can't put my finger on it, but it's not bad enough that she's complaining daily. Aaron From: Tom Strader - NCBPAC Systems Administrator [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Not in Charlotte, NC From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I appreciate the suggestions, but is anyone else here noticing the same thing? Murray From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS DNS Poisoning? - Original Message - From: Murray Freeman mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:40 PM Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS DONE that and I do it regularly! Murray From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Scan for spyware/scumware/Trojans. From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: INTERNET SLOWNESS Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray __ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are property of Indiana Members Credit Union, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not one of the named recipient(s) or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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What about another browser? Sometimes the browser's AV scan engine gets fudged up and can slow things down. -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS We've had McAfee for many years and this is a new problem! Murray -Original Message- From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I'm assuming, though, that this is a new problem, and he's used McAfee for a while. Is anyone else at your location complaining of slowness issues? -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I have found that all of my applications run significantly faster with McAfee permanently disabled. -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Yea, but that's not what I asked. Are these sites *heavy* with them. Those things would take longer to be scanned by whatever software you are running. No additional spyware/malware software running? Have you tested behavior with McAfee temporarily disabled? On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Running McAfee Virusscan, and most sites these days run script/flash/images. Murray -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Are they heavy with script/flash/images etc? Which antivirus/anti-malware software are you running? On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's happening a lot, and not necessarily the same sites, but 2 for sure are online versions of 2 Chicago newspapers. Murray -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Some links? From the same site? What sites? Site-related issues do not necessarily reflect the state of teh Internets. I haven't had any problems on my end all day so far. If we knew what sites you were having issues with, maybe we could do some independent tests. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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Have you performed a TRACERT to the destination to see where the slowdown is? From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS DONE that and I do it regularly! Murray From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Scan for spyware/scumware/Trojans. From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: INTERNET SLOWNESS Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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No need. He's continually connected to the consciousness. Just call out his name and he'll be there. -Original Message- From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Has any one called Al yet? -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS We've had McAfee for many years and this is a new problem! Murray -Original Message- From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I'm assuming, though, that this is a new problem, and he's used McAfee for a while. Is anyone else at your location complaining of slowness issues? -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I have found that all of my applications run significantly faster with McAfee permanently disabled. -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Yea, but that's not what I asked. Are these sites *heavy* with them. Those things would take longer to be scanned by whatever software you are running. No additional spyware/malware software running? Have you tested behavior with McAfee temporarily disabled? On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Running McAfee Virusscan, and most sites these days run script/flash/images. Murray -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Are they heavy with script/flash/images etc? Which antivirus/anti-malware software are you running? On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's happening a lot, and not necessarily the same sites, but 2 for sure are online versions of 2 Chicago newspapers. Murray -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Some links? From the same site? What sites? Site-related issues do not necessarily reflect the state of teh Internets. I haven't had any problems on my end all day so far. If we knew what sites you were having issues with, maybe we could do some independent tests. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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Haven't done that yet now that things are moving better. BTW, I just got a message waiting for website to respond. That obviously indicates a problem at the other end. Murray From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Have you performed a TRACERT to the destination to see where the slowdown is? From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS DONE that and I do it regularly! Murray From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Scan for spyware/scumware/Trojans. From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: INTERNET SLOWNESS Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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Murray, I've seen this with some sites. I know this sounds silly, but try clearing your DNS cache by typing this at a command prompt: ipconfig /flushdns Tom -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS What about another browser? Sometimes the browser's AV scan engine gets fudged up and can slow things down. -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS We've had McAfee for many years and this is a new problem! Murray -Original Message- From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I'm assuming, though, that this is a new problem, and he's used McAfee for a while. Is anyone else at your location complaining of slowness issues? -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I have found that all of my applications run significantly faster with McAfee permanently disabled. -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Yea, but that's not what I asked. Are these sites *heavy* with them. Those things would take longer to be scanned by whatever software you are running. No additional spyware/malware software running? Have you tested behavior with McAfee temporarily disabled? On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Running McAfee Virusscan, and most sites these days run script/flash/images. Murray -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Are they heavy with script/flash/images etc? Which antivirus/anti-malware software are you running? On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's happening a lot, and not necessarily the same sites, but 2 for sure are online versions of 2 Chicago newspapers. Murray -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Some links? From the same site? What sites? Site-related issues do not necessarily reflect the state of teh Internets. I haven't had any problems on my end all day so far. If we knew what sites you were having issues with, maybe we could do some independent tests. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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Murray not sure either of you use Sprint but they are having latency issues. http://www.internetpulse.com/ From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Haven't done that yet now that things are moving better. BTW, I just got a message waiting for website to respond. That obviously indicates a problem at the other end. Murray From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Have you performed a TRACERT to the destination to see where the slowdown is? From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS DONE that and I do it regularly! Murray From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Scan for spyware/scumware/Trojans. From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: INTERNET SLOWNESS Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately via e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake; then, delete this e-mail from your system. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS
i can call you betty and betty when you call me you can call me al, call me al - Original Message From: Kim Longenbaugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2008 4:48:56 PM Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS Has any one called Al yet? -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS We've had McAfee for many years and this is a new problem! Murray -Original Message- From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I'm assuming, though, that this is a new problem, and he's used McAfee for a while. Is anyone else at your location complaining of slowness issues? -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS I have found that all of my applications run significantly faster with McAfee permanently disabled. -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Yea, but that's not what I asked. Are these sites *heavy* with them. Those things would take longer to be scanned by whatever software you are running. No additional spyware/malware software running? Have you tested behavior with McAfee temporarily disabled? On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Running McAfee Virusscan, and most sites these days run script/flash/images. Murray -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Are they heavy with script/flash/images etc? Which antivirus/anti-malware software are you running? On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's happening a lot, and not necessarily the same sites, but 2 for sure are online versions of 2 Chicago newspapers. Murray -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS Some links? From the same site? What sites? Site-related issues do not necessarily reflect the state of teh Internets. I haven't had any problems on my end all day so far. If we knew what sites you were having issues with, maybe we could do some independent tests. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Murray Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I've noticed that when I click on some links, it takes nearly forever for the web page to open. At the bottom of my screen there is the statement, waiting for http://www.x; Anyone else noticing this? Is there a work around or setting in any of the various browsers? Murray -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
