RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Maglinger, Paul]

Then I need something or someone to "gather" the fertilizer.  I get plenty of 
that from 8 to 5, don't need to do it at home.

-Paul

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 3:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

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On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 06:57, Miller Bonnie L.
 wrote:
>> The lawn mower does what I need it to do, although if I could only get it
>> to mow the yard all by itself…
>
>
>
> http://www.robomow.com/home.html
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:31 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
>
>
> Both my washing machine and lawn mower came from Sears.  The washing machine
> was built when things were meant to last and I will be saddened when it
> spins down for the last time for I know not where I’ll find a new one that
> will last as long.  The lawn mower does what I need it to do, although if I
> could only get it to mow the yard all by itself…
>
>
>
> -Paul
>
>
>
> From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:27 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Kurt Buff]

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On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 06:57, Miller Bonnie L.
 wrote:
>> The lawn mower does what I need it to do, although if I could only get it
>> to mow the yard all by itself…
>
>
>
> http://www.robomow.com/home.html
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:31 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
>
>
> Both my washing machine and lawn mower came from Sears.  The washing machine
> was built when things were meant to last and I will be saddened when it
> spins down for the last time for I know not where I’ll find a new one that
> will last as long.  The lawn mower does what I need it to do, although if I
> could only get it to mow the yard all by itself…
>
>
>
> -Paul
>
>
>
> From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:27 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Jonathan Link]

And just making it that much easier once SkyNET gets going...

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Cameron  wrote:

> HOLY CRAP on the prices!!
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Miller Bonnie L. <
> mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu> wrote:
>
>>  > The lawn mower does what I need it to do, although if I could only
>> get it to mow the yard all by itself…
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> http://www.robomow.com/home.html
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:31 AM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Both my washing machine and lawn mower came from Sears.  The washing
>> machine was built when things were meant to last and I will be saddened
>> when it spins down for the last time for I know not where I’ll find a new
>> one that will last as long.  The lawn mower does what I need it to do,
>> although if I could only get it to mow the yard all by itself…
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> -Paul****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:27 AM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>> 
>>
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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Jonathan Link  wrote:
> It's been a while, but couldn't progman.exe be run as a shell under NT 4?

  PROGMAN.EXE can be run as a shell under XP.

  Dunno about NT 6.x.

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Cameron]

HOLY CRAP on the prices!!

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Miller Bonnie L. <
mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu> wrote:

>  > The lawn mower does what I need it to do, although if I could only get
> it to mow the yard all by itself…
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.robomow.com/home.html
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:31 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> Both my washing machine and lawn mower came from Sears.  The washing
> machine was built when things were meant to last and I will be saddened
> when it spins down for the last time for I know not where I’ll find a new
> one that will last as long.  The lawn mower does what I need it to do,
> although if I could only get it to mow the yard all by itself…
>
> ** **
>
> -Paul
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:27 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
> 
>
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>
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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Eldridge, D K,]

Mine has a beer cup holder. Worth the price right there. J

 

From: Miller Bonnie L. [mailto:mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu] 
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 7:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

> The lawn mower does what I need it to do, although if I could only get
it to mow the yard all by itself...

 

http://www.robomow.com/home.html

 

 

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

Both my washing machine and lawn mower came from Sears.  The washing
machine was built when things were meant to last and I will be saddened
when it spins down for the last time for I know not where I'll find a
new one that will last as long.  The lawn mower does what I need it to
do, although if I could only get it to mow the yard all by itself...

 

-Paul

 

From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Ken Schaefer]

Windows XP added cached credentials, so you didn't spend what seemed like 
infinity waiting to get to your desktop after entering your credentials when 
there was no DC on the network.

Whilst Win2k was nicer from a GUI PoV, WinNT 3.5.1 and WinNT 4 delivered on the 
stability PoV. Win2k didn't really add anything to that.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012 10:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

Yup, I'm an idiot.

Ignore me on the shell thing. I was thinking... well I'm not really sure.

I still stand by Win2k being the cat's meow tho' :)

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 8:48 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
> 
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Steven M. Caesare 
>  wrote:
> >>  IIRC, the new shell was introduced with NT 4.0, or maybe some kind 
> >> of
> > option pack to same.
> >
> > That was an alpha/beta level "shell preview", and not released code. 
> > I used it.. it was buggy in several aspects, although it got better 
> > over time. I don't recall that it ever was _REELASED_ for NT4.0. You 
> > actually could run it on 3.51.
> 
>   Okay, I just checked, and according to Wikipedia, NT 4.0 came with 
> the "Win
> 95 style" shell out-of-the-box:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NT_4.0#Overview
> 
> >>  I thought CSC didn't show up until NT 5.1 (XP)?
> >
> > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb742423.aspx
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offline_files#Offline_Files
> 
>   I stand corrected.


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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Miller Bonnie L .]

> The lawn mower does what I need it to do, although if I could only get it to 
> mow the yard all by itself...

http://www.robomow.com/home.html


From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

Both my washing machine and lawn mower came from Sears.  The washing machine 
was built when things were meant to last and I will be saddened when it spins 
down for the last time for I know not where I'll find a new one that will last 
as long.  The lawn mower does what I need it to do, although if I could only 
get it to mow the yard all by itself...

-Paul

From: Steve Ens 
[mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Steven M. Caesare]

Yup, I'm an idiot.

Ignore me on the shell thing. I was thinking... well I'm not really sure.

I still stand by Win2k being the cat's meow tho' :)

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 8:48 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
> 
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Steven M. Caesare
>  wrote:
> >>  IIRC, the new shell was introduced with NT 4.0, or maybe some kind
> >> of
> > option pack to same.
> >
> > That was an alpha/beta level "shell preview", and not released code. I
> > used it.. it was buggy in several aspects, although it got better over
> > time. I don't recall that it ever was _REELASED_ for NT4.0. You
> > actually could run it on 3.51.
> 
>   Okay, I just checked, and according to Wikipedia, NT 4.0 came with the "Win
> 95 style" shell out-of-the-box:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NT_4.0#Overview
> 
> >>  I thought CSC didn't show up until NT 5.1 (XP)?
> >
> > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb742423.aspx
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offline_files#Offline_Files
> 
>   I stand corrected.
> 
> -- Ben
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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
>>  IIRC, the new shell was introduced with NT 4.0, or maybe some kind of
> option pack to same.
>
> That was an alpha/beta level "shell preview", and not released code. I
> used it.. it was buggy in several aspects, although it got better over
> time. I don't recall that it ever was _REELASED_ for NT4.0. You actually
> could run it on 3.51.

  Okay, I just checked, and according to Wikipedia, NT 4.0 came with
the "Win 95 style" shell out-of-the-box:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NT_4.0#Overview

>>  I thought CSC didn't show up until NT 5.1 (XP)?
>
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb742423.aspx
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offline_files#Offline_Files

  I stand corrected.

-- Ben

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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Steven M. Caesare]

That's different and dangerous talk you are spouting, Scott,

-sc

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From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 4:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Steve Ens  wrote:
> I've been thinking about this for a while...and it bugs me.  Why do we 
> need to always compare our phones/devices/OSes and defend them so much?

  Humans seem to have a biological imperative to divide things into two groups, 
one good, one bad.  Me/you, us/them, etc.  It's been theorized it's a hold-over 
from days when other tribes might compete for food, territory, etc., or bring 
new diseases.  Different was dangerous.

-- Ben

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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Steven M. Caesare]

Don't make him say it again. :)


-sc

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From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 4:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Rankin 
wrote:
> Besides, moving on, I've said all I want to about this, it's all just 
> my opinion, etc. , etc.

  That's the second time you've said this is all you're going to say.
;-)

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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Steven M. Caesare]

You, nitpick?

NO??

>  IIRC, the new shell was introduced with NT 4.0, or maybe some kind of
option pack to same.

That was an alpha/beta level "shell preview", and not released code. I
used it.. it was buggy in several aspects, although it got better over
time. I don't recall that it ever was _REELASED_ for NT4.0. You actually
could run it on 3.51.


> MMC existed in the NT 4.0 days, although it certainly saw more
adoption in NT 5.0

Actually yes... you could get it as an "Option Pack" for 4.0... IIRC it
actually grew out of the development effort for Win2K, and was "back
ported" prior to release. The first OS it actually shipped with was
Win2K, which as you mentioned is where it was really "the default"
method for many management tasks and widely used.


>  I thought CSC didn't show up until NT 5.1 (XP)?

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb742423.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offline_files#Offline_Files

-sc


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 4:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:
>> I thought 2K was sh!t. I've had everyone else's thoughts on this 
>> already though. But I still hate it. :-)
>
> Well now you can have mine weather you want them or not:

  Nitpicking:

> - Vastly improved GUI (bye bye ProgMan & FileMan)

  IIRC, the new shell was introduced with NT 4.0, or maybe some kind of
option pack to same.

> - MMC

  MMC existed in the NT 4.0 days, although it certainly saw more
adoption in NT 5.0.  Personally I've never thought MMC was all that
awesome.  Assembling a bunch of unrelated tools in a purpose-built
interface just for the  take of having that interface seems fairly
pointless to me.

> -Offline Files

  I thought CSC didn't show up until NT 5.1 (XP)?

> I'd argue Win2K may have been the single most significant release 
> since NT was born.

  I'd tend to agree.  NT 5.0 was the first release of Windows that could
really be taken seriously in the enterprise.  While NT 4.x and earlier
did mostly work for most things, they were sufficiently lacking that
most other OSes tended to laugh at it, and rightly so.
5.0 was the first time it could really go toe-to-toe with the big boys.
Active Directory/Group Policy were a big part of that, but the general
improvements in support from MSFT and third-parties was also a big one.
It was the first time MSFT really started pushing for broad adoption of
the NT platform, and EOL'ing DOS and classic Windows.

-- Ben

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Rankin, James R]

Nits got no chance around you, eh? :-)
--Original Message--
From: Ben Scott
To: NT System Admin Issues
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Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
Sent: 8 Mar 2012 21:52

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Rankin  wrote:
> Besides, moving on, I've said all I want to about this, it's all just my
> opinion, etc. , etc.

  That's the second time you've said this is all you're going to say.  ;-)

-- Ben

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Steve Ens  wrote:
> I've been thinking about this for a while...and it bugs me.  Why do we need
> to always compare our phones/devices/OSes and defend them so much?

  Humans seem to have a biological imperative to divide things into
two groups, one good, one bad.  Me/you, us/them, etc.  It's been
theorized it's a hold-over from days when other tribes might compete
for food, territory, etc., or bring new diseases.  Different was
dangerous.

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Rankin  wrote:
> Besides, moving on, I've said all I want to about this, it's all just my
> opinion, etc. , etc.

  That's the second time you've said this is all you're going to say.  ;-)

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
>> I thought 2K was sh!t. I've had everyone else's thoughts on this already
>> though. But I still hate it. :-)
>
> Well now you can have mine weather you want them or not:

  Nitpicking:

> - Vastly improved GUI (bye bye ProgMan & FileMan)

  IIRC, the new shell was introduced with NT 4.0, or maybe some kind
of option pack to same.

> - MMC

  MMC existed in the NT 4.0 days, although it certainly saw more
adoption in NT 5.0.  Personally I've never thought MMC was all that
awesome.  Assembling a bunch of unrelated tools in a purpose-built
interface just for the  take of having that interface seems fairly
pointless to me.

> -Offline Files

  I thought CSC didn't show up until NT 5.1 (XP)?

> I’d argue Win2K may have been the single most significant release since NT
> was born.

  I'd tend to agree.  NT 5.0 was the first release of Windows that
could really be taken seriously in the enterprise.  While NT 4.x and
earlier did mostly work for most things, they were sufficiently
lacking that most other OSes tended to laugh at it, and rightly so.
5.0 was the first time it could really go toe-to-toe with the big
boys.  Active Directory/Group Policy were a big part of that, but the
general improvements in support from MSFT and third-parties was also a
big one.  It was the first time MSFT really started pushing for broad
adoption of the NT platform, and EOL'ing DOS and classic Windows.

-- Ben

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Jonathan Link]

Best phone skit ever...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG39jKi0lI



On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:25 PM, John Hornbuckle <
john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us> wrote:

> Best phone ever. End of story.
>
> ** **
>
> www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5C6X9vOEkU
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> John
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2012 12:27 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> start of rant.
>
> I've been thinking about this for a while...and it bugs me.  Why do we
> need to always compare our phones/devices/OSes and defend them so much?
>  Who really cares that you use an iphone and I use a shoe phone?  
>
> Do we compare and defend our choice of washing machine or lawn mower?  Is
> it that important to me that you think that my choice of bicycle is the
> best one available?I guess in some way it validates our choices and
> makes us feel better when someone (anyone) agrees with us.  
>
> End of rant.
>
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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Guyer, Donald]

I dunnoI found myself reloading the O/S on XP boxes more frequently than I 
did with W2k boxes. Both @work and @personal.


Regards,

Don Guyer
Directory and Messaging Services
Catholic Health East, ITSS

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 12:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

Indeed.

Well, it was better on power management and USB support than 2000 was.  But, 
most importantly, it played games well!  :)
ASB

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On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
mailto:scaes...@caesare.com>> wrote:
The move to XP was for many people driven by it was the "unification" version 
where MS no longer developed the Win9x line.

XP was fine, but IMO it did more to fill any gaps the 9x crowd was needing than 
it did introduce tangible beneficial change to the NT-lineage predecessor.

-sc

From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:33 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

Alright then.  I just think you'll find you're in the minority of people who 
think 2000 wasn't good or great.

As an aside, I remember when XP came out, people called it Windows Legos 
edition.  People moved to XP because MS stopped updating 2000 and it wasn't a 
bad upgrade, mainly a change in look and feel, unlike Vista, which created all 
kinds of headaches much beyond look and feel.




On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Rankin 
mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
Got it in one, I don't. It's like the fact I hate VW Golfs, they may have loads 
of things people can reel off that are great, but I still can't stand them.

Anyway, I put "not so good" because aside from the fact I didn't like it, it 
was quickly superseded by 2003/XP. And putting AD as a feature really only 
applies to those running domains. I was speaking merely to a perception of it 
for "how people found it to use".

And if that Metro-abortion is anything to go by, I'll hate that too. But I'll 
reserve judgement till after I get a chance to play with it and let my initial 
"where have things moved to" frustration pass by.

Besides, moving on, I've said all I want to about this, it's all just my 
opinion, etc. , etc.

On 8 March 2012 16:12, Steven M. Caesare 
mailto:scaes...@caesare.com>> wrote:
Well now you can have mine weather you want them or not:

- Vastly improved GUI (bye bye ProgMan & FileMan)
- Plug-N-Play
- Power Management (you can finally use this thing on a laptop)
- AD
- MMC
- EFS
- Dynamic Disks
- Fat32 support
- USB support
- UDF support (DVDs!)
- WFP
- WMI
- WDM introduced (Finally Win2K device driver development became an equal 
citizen for developers)
- Quotas
-Legit DirectX
- WSH
- Group Policy
-Offline Files
-RDP/Terminal services in base edition
-DFS


While each new version of Windows has a laundry-list of new features, and there 
are a bunch of other ones in Win2K I didn't list (MSMQ, etc...),  that subset I 
just listed are ones that made a significant tangible difference in the 
experience to me Major improvements.

And the thing was pretty darn fast and stable. Heck I ran betas 1-3 for a year 
or better before release and they were pretty rock solid.

I'd argue Win2K may have been the single most significant release since NT was 
born.

-sc













From: Rankin, James R 
[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com<mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:46 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

I thought 2K was sh!t. I've had everyone else's thoughts on this already 
though. But I still hate it. :-)
---Blackberried

From: "Steven M. Caesare" mailto:scaes...@caesare.com>>
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:40:08 -0500
To: NT System Admin 
Issuesmailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

> 2000 not so good

Wait, what?

-sc

From: James Rankin 
[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]<mailto:[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

Maybe everyone's just pensive because Microsoft have a habit of following good 
OSes with bad. NT4 good - 2000 not so good - XP/2003 good - Vista/Server 2008 
pants - 7/Server 2008 R2 good - 8 ?
On 5 March 2012 20:00, John Hornbuckle 
mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>> 
wrote:
As an enterprise, I'm very concerned about the learning curve, too.

But at some point, you have to finally break away from the past even if it 

Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[joe user]

I think these are worthwhile issues to discuss since we are the ones 
supporting them. Let's face it - they will only become more integrated 
into our lives, business and otherwise.



On 3/8/2012 12:57 PM, steve ens wrote:


start of rant.
I've been thinking about this for a while...and it bugs me.  Why do we need
to always compare our phones/devices/OSes and defend them so much?  Who
really cares that you use an iphone and I use a shoe phone?
Do we compare and defend our choice of washing machine or lawn mower?  Is
it that important to me that you think that my choice of bicycle is the
best one available?I guess in some way it validates our choices and
makes us feel better when someone (anyone) agrees with us.
End of rant.


--
Regards,
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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[joe user]

Yeah, I got a 5 year old generic laptop that just fell over this 
morning. I barely used it until this last year. I got an IBM and a Dell 
that are over 10 years old and they run 24/7, both of them - still...


All because no one wants to pay for anything anymore, so let's show a 
low price tag and buy it two or three times as often... Any further 
ahead? Not really! BUT HEY IT WAS CHEAP! Hope your all happy with 
yourselves now... ;P  Wal-Mart generation indeed...



On 3/8/2012 12:31 PM, Maglinger, Paul wrote:

Both my washing machine and lawn mower came from Sears.  The washing machine 
was built when things were meant to last and I will be saddened when it spins 
down for the last time for I know not where I'll find a new one that will last 
as long.  The lawn mower does what I need it to do, although if I could only 
get it to mow the yard all by itself...



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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[John Hornbuckle]

Best phone ever. End of story.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5C6X9vOEkU<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5C6X9vOEkU>



John




From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 12:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

start of rant.
I've been thinking about this for a while...and it bugs me.  Why do we need to 
always compare our phones/devices/OSes and defend them so much?  Who really 
cares that you use an iphone and I use a shoe phone?
Do we compare and defend our choice of washing machine or lawn mower?  Is it 
that important to me that you think that my choice of bicycle is the best one 
available?I guess in some way it validates our choices and makes us feel 
better when someone (anyone) agrees with us.
End of rant.

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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Steven M. Caesare]

> it played games well!  

 

"And thus the masses were won over..."

 

-sc

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 12:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

Indeed.   

 

Well, it was better on power management and USB support than 2000 was.
But, most importantly, it played games well!  :)


ASB

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Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...





On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:

The move to XP was for many people driven by it was the "unification"
version where MS no longer developed the Win9x line.

 

XP was fine, but IMO it did more to fill any gaps the 9x crowd was
needing than it did introduce tangible beneficial change to the
NT-lineage predecessor.

 

-sc

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:33 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

Alright then.  I just think you'll find you're in the minority of people
who think 2000 wasn't good or great.  

 

As an aside, I remember when XP came out, people called it Windows Legos
edition.  People moved to XP because MS stopped updating 2000 and it
wasn't a bad upgrade, mainly a change in look and feel, unlike Vista,
which created all kinds of headaches much beyond look and feel.

 



 

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Rankin 
wrote:

Got it in one, I don't. It's like the fact I hate VW Golfs, they may
have loads of things people can reel off that are great, but I still
can't stand them.

Anyway, I put "not so good" because aside from the fact I didn't like
it, it was quickly superseded by 2003/XP. And putting AD as a feature
really only applies to those running domains. I was speaking merely to a
perception of it for "how people found it to use".

And if that Metro-abortion is anything to go by, I'll hate that too. But
I'll reserve judgement till after I get a chance to play with it and let
my initial "where have things moved to" frustration pass by.

Besides, moving on, I've said all I want to about this, it's all just my
opinion, etc. , etc. 

 

On 8 March 2012 16:12, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:

Well now you can have mine weather you want them or not:

 

- Vastly improved GUI (bye bye ProgMan & FileMan)

- Plug-N-Play

- Power Management (you can finally use this thing on a laptop)

- AD

- MMC

- EFS

- Dynamic Disks

- Fat32 support

- USB support

- UDF support (DVDs!)

- WFP

- WMI

- WDM introduced (Finally Win2K device driver development became an
equal citizen for developers)

- Quotas

-Legit DirectX

- WSH

- Group Policy

-Offline Files

-RDP/Terminal services in base edition

-DFS

 

 

While each new version of Windows has a laundry-list of new features,
and there are a bunch of other ones in Win2K I didn't list (MSMQ,
etc...),  that subset I just listed are ones that made a significant
tangible difference in the experience to me Major improvements.

 

And the thing was pretty darn fast and stable. Heck I ran betas 1-3 for
a year or better before release and they were pretty rock solid.

 

I'd argue Win2K may have been the single most significant release since
NT was born.

 

-sc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:46 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

I thought 2K was sh!t. I've had everyone else's thoughts on this already
though. But I still hate it. :-)

---Blackberried



From: "Steven M. Caesare"  

Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:40:08 -0500

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues"


Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

> 2000 not so good

 

Wait, what?

 

-sc

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

Maybe everyone's just pensive because Microsoft have a habit of
following good OSes with bad. NT4 good - 2000 not so good - XP/2003 good
- Vista/Server 2008 pants - 7/Server 2008 R2 good - 8 ?

On 5 March 2012 20:00, John Hornbuckle
 wrote:

As an enterprise, I'm very concerned about the learning curve, too.

 

But at some point, you have to finally break away from the past even if
it involves a steep learning curve. The jump from DOS to Win3x required
quite a bit of retraining, as did the jump from Win3x to Win95. Both of
those were fairly radical moves, and things have stayed relatively
static since Win95 with the old familiar Start button in the lower-left
corner.

 

Maybe it's time for a big shift.

 

 

John

 

 

 

 

 

From: Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com] 
Sent:

Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Erik Goldoff]

based on colors, sizes, and shapes, we called the default XP interface
Fischer Price after the similarly colored kids toys :)



On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Jonathan Link wrote:

> Alright then.  I just think you'll find you're in the minority of people
> who think 2000 wasn't good or great.
>
> As an aside, I remember when XP came out, people called it Windows Legos
> edition.  People moved to XP because MS stopped updating 2000 and it wasn't
> a bad upgrade, mainly a change in look and feel, unlike Vista, which
> created all kinds of headaches much beyond look and feel.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Rankin wrote:
>
>> Got it in one, I don't. It's like the fact I hate VW Golfs, they may have
>> loads of things people can reel off that are great, but I still can't stand
>> them.
>>
>> Anyway, I put "not so good" because aside from the fact I didn't like it,
>> it was quickly superseded by 2003/XP. And putting AD as a feature really
>> only applies to those running domains. I was speaking merely to a
>> perception of it for "how people found it to use".
>>
>> And if that Metro-abortion is anything to go by, I'll hate that too. But
>> I'll reserve judgement till after I get a chance to play with it and let my
>> initial "where have things moved to" frustration pass by.
>>
>> Besides, moving on, I've said all I want to about this, it's all just my
>> opinion, etc. , etc.
>>
>> On 8 March 2012 16:12, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
>>
>>>  Well now you can have mine weather you want them or not:
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> - Vastly improved GUI (bye bye ProgMan & FileMan)
>>>
>>> - Plug-N-Play
>>>
>>> - Power Management (you can finally use this thing on a laptop)
>>>
>>> - AD
>>>
>>> - MMC
>>>
>>> - EFS
>>>
>>> - Dynamic Disks
>>>
>>> - Fat32 support
>>>
>>> - USB support
>>>
>>> - UDF support (DVDs!)
>>>
>>> - WFP
>>>
>>> - WMI
>>>
>>> - WDM introduced (Finally Win2K device driver development became an
>>> equal citizen for developers)
>>>
>>> - Quotas
>>>
>>> -Legit DirectX
>>>
>>> - WSH
>>>
>>> - Group Policy
>>>
>>> -Offline Files
>>>
>>> -RDP/Terminal services in base edition
>>>
>>> -DFS
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> While each new version of Windows has a laundry-list of new features,
>>> and there are a bunch of other ones in Win2K I didn’t list (MSMQ, etc…),
>>>  that subset I just listed are ones that made a significant tangible
>>> difference in the experience to me…. Major improvements.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> And the thing was pretty darn fast and stable. Heck I ran betas 1-3 for
>>> a year or better before release and they were pretty rock solid.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I’d argue Win2K may have been the single most significant release since
>>> NT was born.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> -sc****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:46 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>>>
>>>  ** **
>>>
>>> I thought 2K was sh!t. I've had everyone else's thoughts on this already
>>> though. But I still hate it. :-)
>>>
>>> ---Blackberried
>>>  --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Steven M. Caesare"  
>>>
>>> *Date: *Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:40:08 -0500
>>>
>>> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>>>
>>> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues

Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Jonathan Link]

I agree with that.  I was focusing on it as an OS used in a professional
environment where NT or 2K had already been selected, which was my
experience back in the day.




On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Steven M. Caesare wrote:

> The move to XP was for many people driven by it was the “unification”
> version where MS no longer developed the Win9x line.
>
> ** **
>
> XP was fine, but IMO it did more to fill any gaps the 9x crowd was needing
> than it did introduce tangible beneficial change to the NT-lineage
> predecessor.
>
> ** **
>
> -sc
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:33 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> Alright then.  I just think you'll find you're in the minority of people
> who think 2000 wasn't good or great.  
>
>  
>
> As an aside, I remember when XP came out, people called it Windows Legos
> edition.  People moved to XP because MS stopped updating 2000 and it wasn't
> a bad upgrade, mainly a change in look and feel, unlike Vista, which
> created all kinds of headaches much beyond look and feel.
>
>  
>
>
>
>  
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Rankin 
> wrote:
>
> Got it in one, I don't. It's like the fact I hate VW Golfs, they may have
> loads of things people can reel off that are great, but I still can't stand
> them.
>
> Anyway, I put "not so good" because aside from the fact I didn't like it,
> it was quickly superseded by 2003/XP. And putting AD as a feature really
> only applies to those running domains. I was speaking merely to a
> perception of it for "how people found it to use".
>
> And if that Metro-abortion is anything to go by, I'll hate that too. But
> I'll reserve judgement till after I get a chance to play with it and let my
> initial "where have things moved to" frustration pass by.
>
> Besides, moving on, I've said all I want to about this, it's all just my
> opinion, etc. , etc. 
>
> ** **
>
> On 8 March 2012 16:12, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
>
> Well now you can have mine weather you want them or not:
>
>  
>
> - Vastly improved GUI (bye bye ProgMan & FileMan)
>
> - Plug-N-Play
>
> - Power Management (you can finally use this thing on a laptop)
>
> - AD
>
> - MMC
>
> - EFS
>
> - Dynamic Disks
>
> - Fat32 support
>
> - USB support
>
> - UDF support (DVDs!)
>
> - WFP
>
> - WMI
>
> - WDM introduced (Finally Win2K device driver development became an equal
> citizen for developers)
>
> - Quotas
>
> -Legit DirectX
>
> - WSH
>
> - Group Policy
>
> -Offline Files
>
> -RDP/Terminal services in base edition
>
> -DFS
>
>  
>
>  
>
> While each new version of Windows has a laundry-list of new features, and
> there are a bunch of other ones in Win2K I didn’t list (MSMQ, etc…),  that
> subset I just listed are ones that made a significant tangible difference
> in the experience to me…. Major improvements.
>
>  
>
> And the thing was pretty darn fast and stable. Heck I ran betas 1-3 for a
> year or better before release and they were pretty rock solid.
>
>  
>
> I’d argue Win2K may have been the single most significant release since NT
> was born.
>
>  
>
> -sc
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:46 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
>  
>
> I thought 2K was sh!t. I've had everyone else's thoughts on this already
> though. But I still hate it. :-)
>
> ---Blackberried
> --
>
> *From: *"Steven M. Caesare"  
>
> *Date: *Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:40:08 -0500
>
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>
> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues"  >
>
> *Subject: *RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
>  
>
> > 2000 not so good
>
>  
>
> Wait, what?
>
>  
>
> -sc
>
>  
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, March 05, 2012 3:22 PM

Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Jonathan Link]

I may be off by a digit.  Might be 256 MB of RAM, for some reason 128 MB is
sticking in my mind.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:

> I remember way back then.  I was the sole person supporting a school with
> ~600 computers.  I went with NT for all teacher workstations for one simple
> reason: stability.  Windows 95 and 98 were horribly unstable.  NT saved me
> a ton of grief, at the cost of some grief in other areas, plug and play,
> usb drives weren't all that common, but numerous different devices were
> starting to become an issue.  Win2k came out and saved me considerable
> headaches.
>
> Win2k and NT ran on roughly the same footprint, and in my experience Win2K
> outperformed NT at the same RAM levels (machines I spec'ed back in 1999 had
> 128 MB of RAM).  XP had issues with that small amount of RAM.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Jeff Brown wrote:
>
>>  Seems to me like a LOT of the issues then were timing. Didn’t XP
>> release like the day after most folks starting getting “comfortable” with
>> 2K?  I didn’t really like 2000.  Had too much NT for me, but that’s just
>> me.  I think I remember a lot of ANGST back then about MS cranking out OS’s
>> simply to build revenue.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:33 AM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Alright then.  I just think you'll find you're in the minority of people
>> who think 2000 wasn't good or great.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> As an aside, I remember when XP came out, people called it Windows Legos
>> edition.  People moved to XP because MS stopped updating 2000 and it wasn't
>> a bad upgrade, mainly a change in look and feel, unlike Vista, which
>> created all kinds of headaches much beyond look and feel.
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Rankin 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Got it in one, I don't. It's like the fact I hate VW Golfs, they may have
>> loads of things people can reel off that are great, but I still can't stand
>> them.
>>
>> Anyway, I put "not so good" because aside from the fact I didn't like it,
>> it was quickly superseded by 2003/XP. And putting AD as a feature really
>> only applies to those running domains. I was speaking merely to a
>> perception of it for "how people found it to use".
>>
>> And if that Metro-abortion is anything to go by, I'll hate that too. But
>> I'll reserve judgement till after I get a chance to play with it and let my
>> initial "where have things moved to" frustration pass by.
>>
>> Besides, moving on, I've said all I want to about this, it's all just my
>> opinion, etc. , etc. 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On 8 March 2012 16:12, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:***
>> *
>>
>> Well now you can have mine weather you want them or not:
>>
>>  
>>
>> - Vastly improved GUI (bye bye ProgMan & FileMan)
>>
>> - Plug-N-Play
>>
>> - Power Management (you can finally use this thing on a laptop)
>>
>> - AD
>>
>> - MMC
>>
>> - EFS
>>
>> - Dynamic Disks
>>
>> - Fat32 support
>>
>> - USB support
>>
>> - UDF support (DVDs!)
>>
>> - WFP
>>
>> - WMI
>>
>> - WDM introduced (Finally Win2K device driver development became an equal
>> citizen for developers)
>>
>> - Quotas
>>
>> -Legit DirectX
>>
>> - WSH
>>
>> - Group Policy
>>
>> -Offline Files
>>
>> -RDP/Terminal services in base edition
>>
>> -DFS
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> While each new version of Windows has a laundry-list of new features, and
>> there are a bunch of other ones in Win2K I didn’t list (MSMQ, etc…),  that
>> subset I just listed are ones that made a significant tangible difference
>> in the experience to me…. Major improvements.
>>
>>  
>>
>> And the thing was pretty darn fast and stable. Heck I ran betas 1-3 for a
>> year or better before release and they were pretty rock solid.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I’d argue Win2K may have been the single most significant release since
>> NT was born.
>>
&

Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Jonathan Link]

I remember way back then.  I was the sole person supporting a school with
~600 computers.  I went with NT for all teacher workstations for one simple
reason: stability.  Windows 95 and 98 were horribly unstable.  NT saved me
a ton of grief, at the cost of some grief in other areas, plug and play,
usb drives weren't all that common, but numerous different devices were
starting to become an issue.  Win2k came out and saved me considerable
headaches.

Win2k and NT ran on roughly the same footprint, and in my experience Win2K
outperformed NT at the same RAM levels (machines I spec'ed back in 1999 had
128 MB of RAM).  XP had issues with that small amount of RAM.



On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Jeff Brown wrote:

>  Seems to me like a LOT of the issues then were timing. Didn’t XP release
> like the day after most folks starting getting “comfortable” with 2K?  I
> didn’t really like 2000.  Had too much NT for me, but that’s just me.  I
> think I remember a lot of ANGST back then about MS cranking out OS’s simply
> to build revenue.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:33 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> Alright then.  I just think you'll find you're in the minority of people
> who think 2000 wasn't good or great.  
>
>  
>
> As an aside, I remember when XP came out, people called it Windows Legos
> edition.  People moved to XP because MS stopped updating 2000 and it wasn't
> a bad upgrade, mainly a change in look and feel, unlike Vista, which
> created all kinds of headaches much beyond look and feel.
>
>  
>
>
>
>  
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Rankin 
> wrote:
>
> Got it in one, I don't. It's like the fact I hate VW Golfs, they may have
> loads of things people can reel off that are great, but I still can't stand
> them.
>
> Anyway, I put "not so good" because aside from the fact I didn't like it,
> it was quickly superseded by 2003/XP. And putting AD as a feature really
> only applies to those running domains. I was speaking merely to a
> perception of it for "how people found it to use".
>
> And if that Metro-abortion is anything to go by, I'll hate that too. But
> I'll reserve judgement till after I get a chance to play with it and let my
> initial "where have things moved to" frustration pass by.
>
> Besides, moving on, I've said all I want to about this, it's all just my
> opinion, etc. , etc. 
>
> ** **
>
> On 8 March 2012 16:12, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
>
> Well now you can have mine weather you want them or not:
>
>  
>
> - Vastly improved GUI (bye bye ProgMan & FileMan)
>
> - Plug-N-Play
>
> - Power Management (you can finally use this thing on a laptop)
>
> - AD
>
> - MMC
>
> - EFS
>
> - Dynamic Disks
>
> - Fat32 support
>
> - USB support
>
> - UDF support (DVDs!)
>
> - WFP
>
> - WMI
>
> - WDM introduced (Finally Win2K device driver development became an equal
> citizen for developers)
>
> - Quotas
>
> -Legit DirectX
>
> - WSH
>
> - Group Policy
>
> -Offline Files
>
> -RDP/Terminal services in base edition
>
> -DFS
>
>  
>
>  
>
> While each new version of Windows has a laundry-list of new features, and
> there are a bunch of other ones in Win2K I didn’t list (MSMQ, etc…),  that
> subset I just listed are ones that made a significant tangible difference
> in the experience to me…. Major improvements.
>
>  
>
> And the thing was pretty darn fast and stable. Heck I ran betas 1-3 for a
> year or better before release and they were pretty rock solid.
>
>  
>
> I’d argue Win2K may have been the single most significant release since NT
> was born.
>
>  
>
> -sc
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:46 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
>  
>
> I thought 2K was sh!t. I've had everyone else's thoughts on this already
> though. But I still hate it. :-)
>
> ---Blackberried
>  --
>
> *From: *"Steven M. Caesare"

RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Steven M. Caesare]

The move to XP was for many people driven by it was the "unification"
version where MS no longer developed the Win9x line.

 

XP was fine, but IMO it did more to fill any gaps the 9x crowd was
needing than it did introduce tangible beneficial change to the
NT-lineage predecessor.

 

-sc

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

Alright then.  I just think you'll find you're in the minority of people
who think 2000 wasn't good or great.  

 

As an aside, I remember when XP came out, people called it Windows Legos
edition.  People moved to XP because MS stopped updating 2000 and it
wasn't a bad upgrade, mainly a change in look and feel, unlike Vista,
which created all kinds of headaches much beyond look and feel.

 



 

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Rankin 
wrote:

Got it in one, I don't. It's like the fact I hate VW Golfs, they may
have loads of things people can reel off that are great, but I still
can't stand them.

Anyway, I put "not so good" because aside from the fact I didn't like
it, it was quickly superseded by 2003/XP. And putting AD as a feature
really only applies to those running domains. I was speaking merely to a
perception of it for "how people found it to use".

And if that Metro-abortion is anything to go by, I'll hate that too. But
I'll reserve judgement till after I get a chance to play with it and let
my initial "where have things moved to" frustration pass by.

Besides, moving on, I've said all I want to about this, it's all just my
opinion, etc. , etc. 

 

On 8 March 2012 16:12, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:

Well now you can have mine weather you want them or not:

 

- Vastly improved GUI (bye bye ProgMan & FileMan)

- Plug-N-Play

- Power Management (you can finally use this thing on a laptop)

- AD

- MMC

- EFS

- Dynamic Disks

- Fat32 support

- USB support

- UDF support (DVDs!)

- WFP

- WMI

- WDM introduced (Finally Win2K device driver development became an
equal citizen for developers)

- Quotas

-Legit DirectX

- WSH

- Group Policy

-Offline Files

-RDP/Terminal services in base edition

-DFS

 

 

While each new version of Windows has a laundry-list of new features,
and there are a bunch of other ones in Win2K I didn't list (MSMQ,
etc...),  that subset I just listed are ones that made a significant
tangible difference in the experience to me Major improvements.

 

And the thing was pretty darn fast and stable. Heck I ran betas 1-3 for
a year or better before release and they were pretty rock solid.

 

I'd argue Win2K may have been the single most significant release since
NT was born.

 

-sc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:46 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

I thought 2K was sh!t. I've had everyone else's thoughts on this already
though. But I still hate it. :-)

---Blackberried



From: "Steven M. Caesare"  

Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:40:08 -0500

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues"


Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

> 2000 not so good

 

Wait, what?

 

-sc

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

Maybe everyone's just pensive because Microsoft have a habit of
following good OSes with bad. NT4 good - 2000 not so good - XP/2003 good
- Vista/Server 2008 pants - 7/Server 2008 R2 good - 8 ?

On 5 March 2012 20:00, John Hornbuckle
 wrote:

As an enterprise, I'm very concerned about the learning curve, too.

 

But at some point, you have to finally break away from the past even if
it involves a steep learning curve. The jump from DOS to Win3x required
quite a bit of retraining, as did the jump from Win3x to Win95. Both of
those were fairly radical moves, and things have stayed relatively
static since Win95 with the old familiar Start button in the lower-left
corner.

 

Maybe it's time for a big shift.

 

 

John

 

 

 

 

 

From: Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

I have to say my initial reaction is good for tabs. Like John, I can't
wait to see some of the new tablets. 

 

As for Enterprise, I don't see Win8 making its mark if it stays the
current course. In fact I have a feeling it will go the way of Vista in
the Enterprise. It is too limiting and non-intuitive. It requires a
complete retraining for users and very few IT people have the time for
that. The CP also lacks some key domain support at t

RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Jeff Brown]

Seems to me like a LOT of the issues then were timing. Didn't XP release like 
the day after most folks starting getting "comfortable" with 2K?  I didn't 
really like 2000.  Had too much NT for me, but that's just me.  I think I 
remember a lot of ANGST back then about MS cranking out OS's simply to build 
revenue.

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

Alright then.  I just think you'll find you're in the minority of people who 
think 2000 wasn't good or great.

As an aside, I remember when XP came out, people called it Windows Legos 
edition.  People moved to XP because MS stopped updating 2000 and it wasn't a 
bad upgrade, mainly a change in look and feel, unlike Vista, which created all 
kinds of headaches much beyond look and feel.




On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Rankin 
mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
Got it in one, I don't. It's like the fact I hate VW Golfs, they may have loads 
of things people can reel off that are great, but I still can't stand them.

Anyway, I put "not so good" because aside from the fact I didn't like it, it 
was quickly superseded by 2003/XP. And putting AD as a feature really only 
applies to those running domains. I was speaking merely to a perception of it 
for "how people found it to use".

And if that Metro-abortion is anything to go by, I'll hate that too. But I'll 
reserve judgement till after I get a chance to play with it and let my initial 
"where have things moved to" frustration pass by.

Besides, moving on, I've said all I want to about this, it's all just my 
opinion, etc. , etc.

On 8 March 2012 16:12, Steven M. Caesare 
mailto:scaes...@caesare.com>> wrote:
Well now you can have mine weather you want them or not:

- Vastly improved GUI (bye bye ProgMan & FileMan)
- Plug-N-Play
- Power Management (you can finally use this thing on a laptop)
- AD
- MMC
- EFS
- Dynamic Disks
- Fat32 support
- USB support
- UDF support (DVDs!)
- WFP
- WMI
- WDM introduced (Finally Win2K device driver development became an equal 
citizen for developers)
- Quotas
-Legit DirectX
- WSH
- Group Policy
-Offline Files
-RDP/Terminal services in base edition
-DFS


While each new version of Windows has a laundry-list of new features, and there 
are a bunch of other ones in Win2K I didn't list (MSMQ, etc...),  that subset I 
just listed are ones that made a significant tangible difference in the 
experience to me Major improvements.

And the thing was pretty darn fast and stable. Heck I ran betas 1-3 for a year 
or better before release and they were pretty rock solid.

I'd argue Win2K may have been the single most significant release since NT was 
born.

-sc













From: Rankin, James R 
[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com<mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:46 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

I thought 2K was sh!t. I've had everyone else's thoughts on this already 
though. But I still hate it. :-)
---Blackberried

From: "Steven M. Caesare" mailto:scaes...@caesare.com>>
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:40:08 -0500
To: NT System Admin 
Issuesmailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

> 2000 not so good

Wait, what?

-sc

From: James Rankin 
[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]<mailto:[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

Maybe everyone's just pensive because Microsoft have a habit of following good 
OSes with bad. NT4 good - 2000 not so good - XP/2003 good - Vista/Server 2008 
pants - 7/Server 2008 R2 good - 8 ?
On 5 March 2012 20:00, John Hornbuckle 
mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>> 
wrote:
As an enterprise, I'm very concerned about the learning curve, too.

But at some point, you have to finally break away from the past even if it 
involves a steep learning curve. The jump from DOS to Win3x required quite a 
bit of retraining, as did the jump from Win3x to Win95. Both of those were 
fairly radical moves, and things have stayed relatively static since Win95 with 
the old familiar Start button in the lower-left corner.

Maybe it's time for a big shift.


John





From: Dan Bartley 
[mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com<mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com>]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

I have to say my initial reaction is good for tabs. Like John, I can't wait to 
see some of the new tablets.

As for Enterpri

RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Steven M. Caesare]

Offering a contrary opinion is just one of the many services we offer.

 

Apparently backing it up with data is frowned upon.

 

-sc

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

Don't forget your umbrella while you're raining on his parade. :)


ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...





On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:

Well now you can have mine weather you want them or not:

 

- Vastly improved GUI (bye bye ProgMan & FileMan)

- Plug-N-Play

- Power Management (you can finally use this thing on a laptop)

- AD

- MMC

- EFS

- Dynamic Disks

- Fat32 support

- USB support

- UDF support (DVDs!)

- WFP

- WMI

- WDM introduced (Finally Win2K device driver development became an
equal citizen for developers)

- Quotas

-Legit DirectX

- WSH

- Group Policy

-Offline Files

-RDP/Terminal services in base edition

-DFS

 

 

While each new version of Windows has a laundry-list of new features,
and there are a bunch of other ones in Win2K I didn't list (MSMQ,
etc...),  that subset I just listed are ones that made a significant
tangible difference in the experience to me Major improvements.

 

And the thing was pretty darn fast and stable. Heck I ran betas 1-3 for
a year or better before release and they were pretty rock solid.

 

I'd argue Win2K may have been the single most significant release since
NT was born.

 

-sc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:46 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

I thought 2K was sh!t. I've had everyone else's thoughts on this already
though. But I still hate it. :-)

---Blackberried



From: "Steven M. Caesare"  

Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:40:08 -0500

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues"


Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

> 2000 not so good

 

Wait, what?

 

-sc

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

Maybe everyone's just pensive because Microsoft have a habit of
following good OSes with bad. NT4 good - 2000 not so good - XP/2003 good
- Vista/Server 2008 pants - 7/Server 2008 R2 good - 8 ?

On 5 March 2012 20:00, John Hornbuckle
 wrote:

As an enterprise, I'm very concerned about the learning curve, too.

 

But at some point, you have to finally break away from the past even if
it involves a steep learning curve. The jump from DOS to Win3x required
quite a bit of retraining, as did the jump from Win3x to Win95. Both of
those were fairly radical moves, and things have stayed relatively
static since Win95 with the old familiar Start button in the lower-left
corner.

 

Maybe it's time for a big shift.

 

 

John

 

 

 

 

 

From: Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

I have to say my initial reaction is good for tabs. Like John, I can't
wait to see some of the new tablets. 

 

As for Enterprise, I don't see Win8 making its mark if it stays the
current course. In fact I have a feeling it will go the way of Vista in
the Enterprise. It is too limiting and non-intuitive. It requires a
complete retraining for users and very few IT people have the time for
that. The CP also lacks some key domain support at the moment, such as
in the printer and file sharing areas, so maybe next version I will
change my mind. Then again, they really ditched the enterprise in
Windows Phone in my opinion, so maybe they won't improve on that.

 

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley

 

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[James Rankin]

Fair enough. I guess I'm in the minority of people too (378,000 sales a day
can't be wrong, eh?) who think iPhones suck. But again, just my opinion.

Actually I must apologise for being uncharacteristically snappish today.
I'm not having a great time at the moment and there's no reason to be
bashing my keyboard about it.

Regards,



JR

On 8 March 2012 16:33, Jonathan Link  wrote:

> Alright then.  I just think you'll find you're in the minority of people
> who think 2000 wasn't good or great.
>
> As an aside, I remember when XP came out, people called it Windows Legos
> edition.  People moved to XP because MS stopped updating 2000 and it wasn't
> a bad upgrade, mainly a change in look and feel, unlike Vista, which
> created all kinds of headaches much beyond look and feel.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Rankin wrote:
>
>> Got it in one, I don't. It's like the fact I hate VW Golfs, they may have
>> loads of things people can reel off that are great, but I still can't stand
>> them.
>>
>> Anyway, I put "not so good" because aside from the fact I didn't like it,
>> it was quickly superseded by 2003/XP. And putting AD as a feature really
>> only applies to those running domains. I was speaking merely to a
>> perception of it for "how people found it to use".
>>
>> And if that Metro-abortion is anything to go by, I'll hate that too. But
>> I'll reserve judgement till after I get a chance to play with it and let my
>> initial "where have things moved to" frustration pass by.
>>
>> Besides, moving on, I've said all I want to about this, it's all just my
>> opinion, etc. , etc.
>>
>> On 8 March 2012 16:12, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
>>
>>> Well now you can have mine weather you want them or not:
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> - Vastly improved GUI (bye bye ProgMan & FileMan)
>>>
>>> - Plug-N-Play
>>>
>>> - Power Management (you can finally use this thing on a laptop)
>>>
>>> - AD
>>>
>>> - MMC
>>>
>>> - EFS
>>>
>>> - Dynamic Disks
>>>
>>> - Fat32 support
>>>
>>> - USB support
>>>
>>> - UDF support (DVDs!)
>>>
>>> - WFP
>>>
>>> - WMI
>>>
>>> - WDM introduced (Finally Win2K device driver development became an
>>> equal citizen for developers)
>>>
>>> - Quotas
>>>
>>> -Legit DirectX
>>>
>>> - WSH
>>>
>>> - Group Policy
>>>
>>> -Offline Files
>>>
>>> -RDP/Terminal services in base edition
>>>
>>> -DFS
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> While each new version of Windows has a laundry-list of new features,
>>> and there are a bunch of other ones in Win2K I didn’t list (MSMQ, etc…),
>>>  that subset I just listed are ones that made a significant tangible
>>> difference in the experience to me…. Major improvements.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> And the thing was pretty darn fast and stable. Heck I ran betas 1-3 for
>>> a year or better before release and they were pretty rock solid.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I’d argue Win2K may have been the single most significant release since
>>> NT was born.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> -sc
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:46 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I thought 2K was sh!t. I've had everyone else's thoughts on this already
>>> though. But I still hate it. :-)
>>>
>>> ---Blackberried
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Steven M. Caesare"  
>>>
>>> *Date: *Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:40:

Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Jonathan Link]

Alright then.  I just think you'll find you're in the minority of people
who think 2000 wasn't good or great.

As an aside, I remember when XP came out, people called it Windows Legos
edition.  People moved to XP because MS stopped updating 2000 and it wasn't
a bad upgrade, mainly a change in look and feel, unlike Vista, which
created all kinds of headaches much beyond look and feel.




On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Rankin  wrote:

> Got it in one, I don't. It's like the fact I hate VW Golfs, they may have
> loads of things people can reel off that are great, but I still can't stand
> them.
>
> Anyway, I put "not so good" because aside from the fact I didn't like it,
> it was quickly superseded by 2003/XP. And putting AD as a feature really
> only applies to those running domains. I was speaking merely to a
> perception of it for "how people found it to use".
>
> And if that Metro-abortion is anything to go by, I'll hate that too. But
> I'll reserve judgement till after I get a chance to play with it and let my
> initial "where have things moved to" frustration pass by.
>
> Besides, moving on, I've said all I want to about this, it's all just my
> opinion, etc. , etc.
>
> On 8 March 2012 16:12, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
>
>> Well now you can have mine weather you want them or not:
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> - Vastly improved GUI (bye bye ProgMan & FileMan)
>>
>> - Plug-N-Play
>>
>> - Power Management (you can finally use this thing on a laptop)
>>
>> - AD
>>
>> - MMC
>>
>> - EFS
>>
>> - Dynamic Disks
>>
>> - Fat32 support
>>
>> - USB support
>>
>> - UDF support (DVDs!)
>>
>> - WFP
>>
>> - WMI
>>
>> - WDM introduced (Finally Win2K device driver development became an equal
>> citizen for developers)
>>
>> - Quotas
>>
>> -Legit DirectX
>>
>> - WSH
>>
>> - Group Policy
>>
>> -Offline Files
>>
>> -RDP/Terminal services in base edition
>>
>> -DFS
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> While each new version of Windows has a laundry-list of new features, and
>> there are a bunch of other ones in Win2K I didn’t list (MSMQ, etc…),  that
>> subset I just listed are ones that made a significant tangible difference
>> in the experience to me…. Major improvements.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> And the thing was pretty darn fast and stable. Heck I ran betas 1-3 for a
>> year or better before release and they were pretty rock solid.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I’d argue Win2K may have been the single most significant release since
>> NT was born.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> -sc
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:46 AM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I thought 2K was sh!t. I've had everyone else's thoughts on this already
>> though. But I still hate it. :-)
>>
>> ---Blackberried
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Steven M. Caesare"  
>>
>> *Date: *Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:40:08 -0500
>>
>> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>>
>> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues" <
>> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
>>
>> *Subject: *RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> > 2000 not so good
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Wait, what?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> -sc
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 05, 2012 3:22 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Maybe everyone's just pensive because Microsoft have a habit of following
>> good OSes with bad. NT4 good - 2000 not so good - XP/2003 good -
>> Vista/Server 2008 pants - 7/Server 2008 R2 good - 8 ?
>>
>> On 5 March 2012 20:00, John Hornb

Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Andrew S. Baker]

Don't forget your umbrella while you're raining on his parade. :)

* *

*ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Steven M. Caesare wrote:

> Well now you can have mine weather you want them or not:
>
> ** **
>
> - Vastly improved GUI (bye bye ProgMan & FileMan)
>
> - Plug-N-Play
>
> - Power Management (you can finally use this thing on a laptop)
>
> - AD
>
> - MMC
>
> - EFS
>
> - Dynamic Disks
>
> - Fat32 support
>
> - USB support
>
> - UDF support (DVDs!)
>
> - WFP
>
> - WMI
>
> - WDM introduced (Finally Win2K device driver development became an equal
> citizen for developers)
>
> - Quotas
>
> -Legit DirectX
>
> - WSH
>
> - Group Policy
>
> -Offline Files
>
> -RDP/Terminal services in base edition
>
> -DFS
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> While each new version of Windows has a laundry-list of new features, and
> there are a bunch of other ones in Win2K I didn’t list (MSMQ, etc…),  that
> subset I just listed are ones that made a significant tangible difference
> in the experience to me…. Major improvements.
>
> ** **
>
> And the thing was pretty darn fast and stable. Heck I ran betas 1-3 for a
> year or better before release and they were pretty rock solid.
>
> ** **
>
> I’d argue Win2K may have been the single most significant release since NT
> was born.
>
> ** **
>
> -sc
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:46 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> I thought 2K was sh!t. I've had everyone else's thoughts on this already
> though. But I still hate it. :-)
>
> ---Blackberried
> --
>
> *From: *"Steven M. Caesare"  
>
> *Date: *Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:40:08 -0500
>
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues****
>
> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues"  >
>
> *Subject: *RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> > 2000 not so good
>
> ** **
>
> Wait, what?
>
> ** **
>
> -sc
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, March 05, 2012 3:22 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> Maybe everyone's just pensive because Microsoft have a habit of following
> good OSes with bad. NT4 good - 2000 not so good - XP/2003 good -
> Vista/Server 2008 pants - 7/Server 2008 R2 good - 8 ?
>
> On 5 March 2012 20:00, John Hornbuckle 
> wrote:
>
> As an enterprise, I’m very concerned about the learning curve, too.
>
>  
>
> But at some point, you have to finally break away from the past even if it
> involves a steep learning curve. The jump from DOS to Win3x required quite
> a bit of retraining, as did the jump from Win3x to Win95. Both of those
> were fairly radical moves, and things have stayed relatively static since
> Win95 with the old familiar Start button in the lower-left corner.
>
>  
>
> Maybe it’s time for a big shift.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> John
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, March 05, 2012 2:46 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
>  
>
> I have to say my initial reaction is good for tabs. Like John, I can’t
> wait to see some of the new tablets. 
>
>  
>
> As for Enterprise, I don’t see Win8 making its mark if it stays the
> current course. In fact I have a feeling it will go the way of Vista in the
> Enterprise. It is too limiting and non-intuitive. It requires a complete
> retraining for users and very few IT people have the time for that. The CP
> also lacks some key domain support at the moment, such as in the printer
> and file sharing areas, so maybe next version I will change my mind. Then
> again, they really ditched the enterprise in Windows Phone in my opinion,
> so maybe they won’t improve on that.
>
>  
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dan Bartley
>
>
>

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[James Rankin]

Got it in one, I don't. It's like the fact I hate VW Golfs, they may have
loads of things people can reel off that are great, but I still can't stand
them.

Anyway, I put "not so good" because aside from the fact I didn't like it,
it was quickly superseded by 2003/XP. And putting AD as a feature really
only applies to those running domains. I was speaking merely to a
perception of it for "how people found it to use".

And if that Metro-abortion is anything to go by, I'll hate that too. But
I'll reserve judgement till after I get a chance to play with it and let my
initial "where have things moved to" frustration pass by.

Besides, moving on, I've said all I want to about this, it's all just my
opinion, etc. , etc.

On 8 March 2012 16:12, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:

> Well now you can have mine weather you want them or not:
>
> ** **
>
> - Vastly improved GUI (bye bye ProgMan & FileMan)
>
> - Plug-N-Play
>
> - Power Management (you can finally use this thing on a laptop)
>
> - AD
>
> - MMC
>
> - EFS
>
> - Dynamic Disks
>
> - Fat32 support
>
> - USB support
>
> - UDF support (DVDs!)
>
> - WFP
>
> - WMI
>
> - WDM introduced (Finally Win2K device driver development became an equal
> citizen for developers)
>
> - Quotas
>
> -Legit DirectX
>
> - WSH
>
> - Group Policy
>
> -Offline Files
>
> -RDP/Terminal services in base edition
>
> -DFS
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> While each new version of Windows has a laundry-list of new features, and
> there are a bunch of other ones in Win2K I didn’t list (MSMQ, etc…),  that
> subset I just listed are ones that made a significant tangible difference
> in the experience to me…. Major improvements.
>
> ** **
>
> And the thing was pretty darn fast and stable. Heck I ran betas 1-3 for a
> year or better before release and they were pretty rock solid.
>
> ** **
>
> I’d argue Win2K may have been the single most significant release since NT
> was born.
>
> ** **
>
> -sc
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:46 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?****
>
> ** **
>
> I thought 2K was sh!t. I've had everyone else's thoughts on this already
> though. But I still hate it. :-)
>
> ---Blackberried
> --
>
> *From: *"Steven M. Caesare"  
>
> *Date: *Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:40:08 -0500
>
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>
> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues"  >
>
> *Subject: *RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> > 2000 not so good
>
> ** **
>
> Wait, what?
>
> ** **
>
> -sc
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, March 05, 2012 3:22 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> Maybe everyone's just pensive because Microsoft have a habit of following
> good OSes with bad. NT4 good - 2000 not so good - XP/2003 good -
> Vista/Server 2008 pants - 7/Server 2008 R2 good - 8 ?
>
> On 5 March 2012 20:00, John Hornbuckle 
> wrote:
>
> As an enterprise, I’m very concerned about the learning curve, too.
>
>  
>
> But at some point, you have to finally break away from the past even if it
> involves a steep learning curve. The jump from DOS to Win3x required quite
> a bit of retraining, as did the jump from Win3x to Win95. Both of those
> were fairly radical moves, and things have stayed relatively static since
> Win95 with the old familiar Start button in the lower-left corner.
>
>  
>
> Maybe it’s time for a big shift.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> John
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, March 05, 2012 2:46 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
>  
>
> I have to say my initial reaction is good for tabs. Like John, I can’t
> wait to see some of the new tablets. 
>
>  
>
> As for Enterprise, I don’t see Win8 making its mark if it stays the
> current course. In

RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Steven M. Caesare]

Well now you can have mine weather you want them or not:

 

- Vastly improved GUI (bye bye ProgMan & FileMan)

- Plug-N-Play

- Power Management (you can finally use this thing on a laptop)

- AD

- MMC

- EFS

- Dynamic Disks

- Fat32 support

- USB support

- UDF support (DVDs!)

- WFP

- WMI

- WDM introduced (Finally Win2K device driver development became an
equal citizen for developers)

- Quotas

-Legit DirectX

- WSH

- Group Policy

-Offline Files

-RDP/Terminal services in base edition

-DFS

 

 

While each new version of Windows has a laundry-list of new features,
and there are a bunch of other ones in Win2K I didn't list (MSMQ,
etc...),  that subset I just listed are ones that made a significant
tangible difference in the experience to me Major improvements.

 

And the thing was pretty darn fast and stable. Heck I ran betas 1-3 for
a year or better before release and they were pretty rock solid.

 

I'd argue Win2K may have been the single most significant release since
NT was born.

 

-sc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

I thought 2K was sh!t. I've had everyone else's thoughts on this already
though. But I still hate it. :-)

---Blackberried



From: "Steven M. Caesare"  

Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:40:08 -0500

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues"


Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

> 2000 not so good

 

Wait, what?

 

-sc

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

Maybe everyone's just pensive because Microsoft have a habit of
following good OSes with bad. NT4 good - 2000 not so good - XP/2003 good
- Vista/Server 2008 pants - 7/Server 2008 R2 good - 8 ?

On 5 March 2012 20:00, John Hornbuckle
 wrote:

As an enterprise, I'm very concerned about the learning curve, too.

 

But at some point, you have to finally break away from the past even if
it involves a steep learning curve. The jump from DOS to Win3x required
quite a bit of retraining, as did the jump from Win3x to Win95. Both of
those were fairly radical moves, and things have stayed relatively
static since Win95 with the old familiar Start button in the lower-left
corner.

 

Maybe it's time for a big shift.

 

 

John

 

 

 

 

 

From: Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

I have to say my initial reaction is good for tabs. Like John, I can't
wait to see some of the new tablets. 

 

As for Enterprise, I don't see Win8 making its mark if it stays the
current course. In fact I have a feeling it will go the way of Vista in
the Enterprise. It is too limiting and non-intuitive. It requires a
complete retraining for users and very few IT people have the time for
that. The CP also lacks some key domain support at the moment, such as
in the printer and file sharing areas, so maybe next version I will
change my mind. Then again, they really ditched the enterprise in
Windows Phone in my opinion, so maybe they won't improve on that.

 

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Rankin, James R]

I thought 2K was sh!t. I've had everyone else's thoughts on this already 
though. But I still hate it. :-)

---Blackberried

-Original Message-
From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:40:08 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

> 2000 not so good

 

Wait, what?

 

-sc

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

Maybe everyone's just pensive because Microsoft have a habit of
following good OSes with bad. NT4 good - 2000 not so good - XP/2003 good
- Vista/Server 2008 pants - 7/Server 2008 R2 good - 8 ?



On 5 March 2012 20:00, John Hornbuckle
 wrote:

As an enterprise, I'm very concerned about the learning curve, too.

 

But at some point, you have to finally break away from the past even if
it involves a steep learning curve. The jump from DOS to Win3x required
quite a bit of retraining, as did the jump from Win3x to Win95. Both of
those were fairly radical moves, and things have stayed relatively
static since Win95 with the old familiar Start button in the lower-left
corner.

 

Maybe it's time for a big shift.

 

 

John

 

 

 

 

 

From: Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

I have to say my initial reaction is good for tabs. Like John, I can't
wait to see some of the new tablets. 

 

As for Enterprise, I don't see Win8 making its mark if it stays the
current course. In fact I have a feeling it will go the way of Vista in
the Enterprise. It is too limiting and non-intuitive. It requires a
complete retraining for users and very few IT people have the time for
that. The CP also lacks some key domain support at the moment, such as
in the printer and file sharing areas, so maybe next version I will
change my mind. Then again, they really ditched the enterprise in
Windows Phone in my opinion, so maybe they won't improve on that.

 

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am
not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could
provoke such a question."

* IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER *

This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is
addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed
to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it
to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever
then you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively,
you are a mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill
yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once
you have taken this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use
your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also
committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. 

The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the
information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way
it's a pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell
on. But should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to
ruminate on it, and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you
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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Steven Peck]

Hey lets move off the technical and start getting personal eh?  Mine was a
general comment overall and people could have responded to that
instead some people decided to start getting into a personal critique
directed at a specific individual.

Since we seem to have exhausted the technical part of the discussion and
desended into pointing fingers and personal critism on individuals
instead I shall leave this thread alone and move on.
Steven
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Jeff Brown wrote:

>  No, you got attack because you *suggested* someone *might* be bitching
> and whining.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 06, 2012 12:38 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> What everyone else gets to invest in bitching and hyperbole but I get
> attacked because I disagree?  Nice.
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Jonathan Link 
> wrote:
>
> When did the list start allowing binaries?  It appears my attachment was
> lost, I don't hear any panic.
>
>  
>
> Yes, I hear whining.  Kvetching, bitching, call it what you will.  It's a
> human condition, people do it.  Many of us see this as change for change
> sake, much like the Ribbon in Office 2007 and later.  Once you use it,
> it'll be better/faster, especially for the people who aren't used to it.
> That's a pile of fresh manure.  How many new adopters did they actually
> capture for Office?  How many will they capture with this bew GUI?
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
>
>  Then perhaps it was the sound of panic in some of the messges that
> distracted me.  Dismissing the rest of my comments amounts to the same
> thing on your part.
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:***
> *
>
>  On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
> > I keep looking up and the sky is still there
>
>  Nobody said the sky was falling, or that we should go back to DOS,
> or that Microsoft wasn't staffed by professionals.  Building a straw
> an and then attacking that doesn't actually address any of the
> comments people have been making.
>
> ** **
>
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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Jonathan Link]

Attacked?  Talk about hyperbole.
It appears that your arguments are being attacked, but this isn't at all
personal.  You like Win 8.  Great.  Other people don't.  They have reasons
why, they list them, and you suggest that is panic.


On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:

> What everyone else gets to invest in bitching and hyperbole but I get
> attacked because I disagree?  Nice.
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Jonathan Link wrote:
>
>> When did the list start allowing binaries?  It appears my attachment was
>> lost, I don't hear any panic.
>>
>> Yes, I hear whining.  Kvetching, bitching, call it what you will.  It's a
>> human condition, people do it.  Many of us see this as change for change
>> sake, much like the Ribbon in Office 2007 and later.  Once you use it,
>> it'll be better/faster, especially for the people who aren't used to it.
>> That's a pile of fresh manure.  How many new adopters did they actually
>> capture for Office?  How many will they capture with this bew GUI?
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
>>
>>>  Then perhaps it was the sound of panic in some of the messges that
>>> distracted me.  Dismissing the rest of my comments amounts to the same
>>> thing on your part.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:
>>>
 On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
 > I keep looking up and the sky is still there

  Nobody said the sky was falling, or that we should go back to DOS,
 or that Microsoft wasn't staffed by professionals.  Building a straw
 an and then attacking that doesn't actually address any of the
 comments people have been making.

 -- Ben

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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Jeff Brown]

No, you got attack because you suggested someone might be bitching and whining.

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 12:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

What everyone else gets to invest in bitching and hyperbole but I get attacked 
because I disagree?  Nice.
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Jonathan Link 
mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
When did the list start allowing binaries?  It appears my attachment was lost, 
I don't hear any panic.

Yes, I hear whining.  Kvetching, bitching, call it what you will.  It's a human 
condition, people do it.  Many of us see this as change for change sake, much 
like the Ribbon in Office 2007 and later.  Once you use it, it'll be 
better/faster, especially for the people who aren't used to it.  That's a pile 
of fresh manure.  How many new adopters did they actually capture for Office?  
How many will they capture with this bew GUI?
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Steven Peck 
mailto:sep...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Then perhaps it was the sound of panic in some of the messges that distracted 
me.  Dismissing the rest of my comments amounts to the same thing on your part.

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Ben Scott 
mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Steven Peck 
mailto:sep...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I keep looking up and the sky is still there

 Nobody said the sky was falling, or that we should go back to DOS,
or that Microsoft wasn't staffed by professionals.  Building a straw
an and then attacking that doesn't actually address any of the
comments people have been making.

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Steven Peck]

What everyone else gets to invest in bitching and hyperbole but I get
attacked because I disagree?  Nice.

On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Jonathan Link wrote:

> When did the list start allowing binaries?  It appears my attachment was
> lost, I don't hear any panic.
>
> Yes, I hear whining.  Kvetching, bitching, call it what you will.  It's a
> human condition, people do it.  Many of us see this as change for change
> sake, much like the Ribbon in Office 2007 and later.  Once you use it,
> it'll be better/faster, especially for the people who aren't used to it.
> That's a pile of fresh manure.  How many new adopters did they actually
> capture for Office?  How many will they capture with this bew GUI?
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
>
>> Then perhaps it was the sound of panic in some of the messges that
>> distracted me.  Dismissing the rest of my comments amounts to the same
>> thing on your part.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
>>> > I keep looking up and the sky is still there
>>>
>>>  Nobody said the sky was falling, or that we should go back to DOS,
>>> or that Microsoft wasn't staffed by professionals.  Building a straw
>>> an and then attacking that doesn't actually address any of the
>>> comments people have been making.
>>>
>>> -- Ben
>>>
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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[James Rankin]

Ahhthe memories

http://www.h3m3.com/hot-dog-stand

On 6 March 2012 18:13, James Rankin  wrote:

> Wow.Hot Dog theme, when's the last time I heard of that? Can you still
> get it? Someone somewhere is probably still keeping it going.
>
>
> On 6 March 2012 18:06, Ben Scott  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
>> >> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
>> >> > I keep looking up and the sky is still there
>> >>
>> >>  Nobody said the sky was falling, or that we should go back to DOS,
>> >> or that Microsoft wasn't staffed by professionals.  Building a straw
>> >> an and then attacking that doesn't actually address any of the
>> >> comments people have been making.
>> >
>> > Then perhaps it was the sound of panic in some of the messges that
>> > distracted me.  Dismissing the rest of my comments amounts to the same
>> thing
>> > on your part.
>>
>>   I'm not dismissing them.  Here they are in full if it matters -- my
>> statement is the same either way:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
>> > I keep looking up and the sky is still there.
>> >
>> > I've been using it on hardware at home since Thursday (not nearly long
>> > enough).  People are doing the same thing they do anytime there is a
>> > change.  The Internetz hate it because (it's different/not what I am
>> used
>> > to/how dare they).
>> >
>> > Whatever.
>> >
>> > It took me 30-60 minutes to adjust to navigating around the interface.
>>  I
>> > don't miss the Start button, I just pop down where I used to and wow,
>> there
>> > something is.  As to the metro apps, I am trying them.  So far (baring
>> the
>> > oddities of my live id setup) they are working ok and I am adjusting to
>> the
>> > operational differences.  I figured I would give it more then 5 days of
>> > intermittent use before I actually declared I was going back to the
>> good old
>> > days of DOS!
>> >
>> > I haven't installed Office yet, but once I do that, poof, there goes
>> most of
>> > the reason I would launch a metro app anyway.  Except Xbox companion,
>> and a
>> > few games, and the people hub is interesting, oh, the picture hub
>> too
>> >
>> > This is the first public generation of the Metro UI.  We're completing
>> our
>> > migration to Windows 7 this year at work.  It would have been last year
>> > except internal politics and the new manager seems to have things on
>> time
>> > this round.  Enterprise will adjust slowly however, our management is
>> making
>> > sure we are watching this change but we don't plan to leap into it.  We
>> are
>> > also not saying no yet as a gut reaction.  We seriously won't even
>> decide
>> > this until next year in any case, however, we will be watching it and
>> the
>> > corporate stuff that will come with it.
>> >
>> > I am going to do the VHD load on my wife's laptop this weekend since
>> she is
>> > so interested in trying it out.  She is not a techie, usually she just
>> > tolerates it when I update her technology at home.  This time, she is
>> > intrigued and wants to play with it.
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.hanselman.com/blog/HowToGuideToInstallingAndBootingWindows8ConsumerPreviewOffAVHDVirtualHardDisk.aspx
>> >
>> > I have met some of the MS UI folks when they came out and interviewed a
>> > bunch of our team last year.  It was interesting.  They seemed like
>> > competent professionals.  I am willing to wait and see if I can deal
>> with
>> > this change in a calm rational manner when we get more information on
>> the
>> > interesting stuff.  GPOs customization options, etc. later this year.
>> >
>> > I suspect that in the end we will get the same people pulling out that
>> tired
>> > old meme (every other OS is a failure) which isn't really true, or
>> pulling
>> > out the graphics comparing Windows 8 to some early version of Windows
>> that
>> > actually ran on DOS with the hot dog theme set and pretending like
>> there is
>> > some relevant comparison between shortcuts and Live Tiles, memory
>> management
>> > and underlying capabilities.  These will all be the same people who said
>> > Microsoft must address the iPads and smart phones or they will be fail.
>>  Now
>> > mostly, these same people are saying Microsoft is all sorts of fail when
>> > they actually took a bold step in re-imaging their entire line up in a
>> way,
>> > that is starting to look pretty darn interesting (SkyDrive for everyone)
>> >
>> > Fortunately, we should see the trend in a year.  Maybe some of you with
>> 10
>> > GB list archives will remind us who gets to gloat eh?  I wonder what the
>> > list discussion will be like when people start talking about server 8.
>>
>> -- Ben
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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Jonathan Link]

When did the list start allowing binaries?  It appears my attachment was
lost, I don't hear any panic.

Yes, I hear whining.  Kvetching, bitching, call it what you will.  It's a
human condition, people do it.  Many of us see this as change for change
sake, much like the Ribbon in Office 2007 and later.  Once you use it,
it'll be better/faster, especially for the people who aren't used to it.
That's a pile of fresh manure.  How many new adopters did they actually
capture for Office?  How many will they capture with this bew GUI?

On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:

> Then perhaps it was the sound of panic in some of the messges that
> distracted me.  Dismissing the rest of my comments amounts to the same
> thing on your part.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
>> > I keep looking up and the sky is still there
>>
>>  Nobody said the sky was falling, or that we should go back to DOS,
>> or that Microsoft wasn't staffed by professionals.  Building a straw
>> an and then attacking that doesn't actually address any of the
>> comments people have been making.
>>
>> -- Ben
>>
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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[James Rankin]

Wow.Hot Dog theme, when's the last time I heard of that? Can you still
get it? Someone somewhere is probably still keeping it going.

On 6 March 2012 18:06, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
> >> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
> >> > I keep looking up and the sky is still there
> >>
> >>  Nobody said the sky was falling, or that we should go back to DOS,
> >> or that Microsoft wasn't staffed by professionals.  Building a straw
> >> an and then attacking that doesn't actually address any of the
> >> comments people have been making.
> >
> > Then perhaps it was the sound of panic in some of the messges that
> > distracted me.  Dismissing the rest of my comments amounts to the same
> thing
> > on your part.
>
>   I'm not dismissing them.  Here they are in full if it matters -- my
> statement is the same either way:
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
> > I keep looking up and the sky is still there.
> >
> > I've been using it on hardware at home since Thursday (not nearly long
> > enough).  People are doing the same thing they do anytime there is a
> > change.  The Internetz hate it because (it's different/not what I am used
> > to/how dare they).
> >
> > Whatever.
> >
> > It took me 30-60 minutes to adjust to navigating around the interface.  I
> > don't miss the Start button, I just pop down where I used to and wow,
> there
> > something is.  As to the metro apps, I am trying them.  So far (baring
> the
> > oddities of my live id setup) they are working ok and I am adjusting to
> the
> > operational differences.  I figured I would give it more then 5 days of
> > intermittent use before I actually declared I was going back to the good
> old
> > days of DOS!
> >
> > I haven't installed Office yet, but once I do that, poof, there goes
> most of
> > the reason I would launch a metro app anyway.  Except Xbox companion,
> and a
> > few games, and the people hub is interesting, oh, the picture hub too
> >
> > This is the first public generation of the Metro UI.  We're completing
> our
> > migration to Windows 7 this year at work.  It would have been last year
> > except internal politics and the new manager seems to have things on time
> > this round.  Enterprise will adjust slowly however, our management is
> making
> > sure we are watching this change but we don't plan to leap into it.  We
> are
> > also not saying no yet as a gut reaction.  We seriously won't even decide
> > this until next year in any case, however, we will be watching it and the
> > corporate stuff that will come with it.
> >
> > I am going to do the VHD load on my wife's laptop this weekend since she
> is
> > so interested in trying it out.  She is not a techie, usually she just
> > tolerates it when I update her technology at home.  This time, she is
> > intrigued and wants to play with it.
> >
> >
> http://www.hanselman.com/blog/HowToGuideToInstallingAndBootingWindows8ConsumerPreviewOffAVHDVirtualHardDisk.aspx
> >
> > I have met some of the MS UI folks when they came out and interviewed a
> > bunch of our team last year.  It was interesting.  They seemed like
> > competent professionals.  I am willing to wait and see if I can deal with
> > this change in a calm rational manner when we get more information on the
> > interesting stuff.  GPOs customization options, etc. later this year.
> >
> > I suspect that in the end we will get the same people pulling out that
> tired
> > old meme (every other OS is a failure) which isn't really true, or
> pulling
> > out the graphics comparing Windows 8 to some early version of Windows
> that
> > actually ran on DOS with the hot dog theme set and pretending like there
> is
> > some relevant comparison between shortcuts and Live Tiles, memory
> management
> > and underlying capabilities.  These will all be the same people who said
> > Microsoft must address the iPads and smart phones or they will be fail.
>  Now
> > mostly, these same people are saying Microsoft is all sorts of fail when
> > they actually took a bold step in re-imaging their entire line up in a
> way,
> > that is starting to look pretty darn interesting (SkyDrive for everyone)
> >
> > Fortunately, we should see the trend in a year.  Maybe some of you with
> 10
> > GB list archives will remind us who gets to gloat eh?  I wonder what the
> > list discussion will be like when people start talking about server 8.
>
> -- Ben
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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
>> > I keep looking up and the sky is still there
>>
>>  Nobody said the sky was falling, or that we should go back to DOS,
>> or that Microsoft wasn't staffed by professionals.  Building a straw
>> an and then attacking that doesn't actually address any of the
>> comments people have been making.
>
> Then perhaps it was the sound of panic in some of the messges that
> distracted me.  Dismissing the rest of my comments amounts to the same thing
> on your part.

  I'm not dismissing them.  Here they are in full if it matters -- my
statement is the same either way:


On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
> I keep looking up and the sky is still there.
>
> I've been using it on hardware at home since Thursday (not nearly long
> enough).  People are doing the same thing they do anytime there is a
> change.  The Internetz hate it because (it's different/not what I am used
> to/how dare they).
>
> Whatever.
>
> It took me 30-60 minutes to adjust to navigating around the interface.  I
> don't miss the Start button, I just pop down where I used to and wow, there
> something is.  As to the metro apps, I am trying them.  So far (baring the
> oddities of my live id setup) they are working ok and I am adjusting to the
> operational differences.  I figured I would give it more then 5 days of
> intermittent use before I actually declared I was going back to the good old
> days of DOS!
>
> I haven't installed Office yet, but once I do that, poof, there goes most of
> the reason I would launch a metro app anyway.  Except Xbox companion, and a
> few games, and the people hub is interesting, oh, the picture hub too
>
> This is the first public generation of the Metro UI.  We're completing our
> migration to Windows 7 this year at work.  It would have been last year
> except internal politics and the new manager seems to have things on time
> this round.  Enterprise will adjust slowly however, our management is making
> sure we are watching this change but we don't plan to leap into it.  We are
> also not saying no yet as a gut reaction.  We seriously won't even decide
> this until next year in any case, however, we will be watching it and the
> corporate stuff that will come with it.
>
> I am going to do the VHD load on my wife's laptop this weekend since she is
> so interested in trying it out.  She is not a techie, usually she just
> tolerates it when I update her technology at home.  This time, she is
> intrigued and wants to play with it.
>
> http://www.hanselman.com/blog/HowToGuideToInstallingAndBootingWindows8ConsumerPreviewOffAVHDVirtualHardDisk.aspx
>
> I have met some of the MS UI folks when they came out and interviewed a
> bunch of our team last year.  It was interesting.  They seemed like
> competent professionals.  I am willing to wait and see if I can deal with
> this change in a calm rational manner when we get more information on the
> interesting stuff.  GPOs customization options, etc. later this year.
>
> I suspect that in the end we will get the same people pulling out that tired
> old meme (every other OS is a failure) which isn't really true, or pulling
> out the graphics comparing Windows 8 to some early version of Windows that
> actually ran on DOS with the hot dog theme set and pretending like there is
> some relevant comparison between shortcuts and Live Tiles, memory management
> and underlying capabilities.  These will all be the same people who said
> Microsoft must address the iPads and smart phones or they will be fail.  Now
> mostly, these same people are saying Microsoft is all sorts of fail when
> they actually took a bold step in re-imaging their entire line up in a way,
> that is starting to look pretty darn interesting (SkyDrive for everyone)
>
> Fortunately, we should see the trend in a year.  Maybe some of you with 10
> GB list archives will remind us who gets to gloat eh?  I wonder what the
> list discussion will be like when people start talking about server 8.

-- Ben

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Steven Peck]

Then perhaps it was the sound of panic in some of the messges that
distracted me.  Dismissing the rest of my comments amounts to the same
thing on your part.

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
> > I keep looking up and the sky is still there
>
>  Nobody said the sky was falling, or that we should go back to DOS,
> or that Microsoft wasn't staffed by professionals.  Building a straw
> an and then attacking that doesn't actually address any of the
> comments people have been making.
>
> -- Ben
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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Ben Scott]

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
> I keep looking up and the sky is still there

  Nobody said the sky was falling, or that we should go back to DOS,
or that Microsoft wasn't staffed by professionals.  Building a straw
an and then attacking that doesn't actually address any of the
comments people have been making.

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Steven Peck]

The BUILD conference video's mentioned something about disk de-duplication
for the virtual guests was awesomeness but I haven't had time to follow up
on that.  My manager is making some of us go to a nearby-ish SC launch
event at the end of the month so perhaps the will cover it in the marketing
there.

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 7:02 PM, James Hill  wrote:

> I’ve started playing with Server 8.  I like the new server manager already
> but haven’t used much else yet.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 6 March 2012 12:03 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> I keep looking up and the sky is still there.
>
>  
>
> I've been using it on hardware at home since Thursday (not nearly long
> enough).  People are doing the same thing they do anytime there is a
> change.  The Internetz hate it because (it's different/not what I am used
> to/how dare they).  
>
>  
>
> Whatever.
>
>  
>
> It took me 30-60 minutes to adjust to navigating around the interface.  I
> don't miss the Start button, I just pop down where I used to and wow, there
> something is.  As to the metro apps, I am trying them.  So far (baring the
> oddities of my live id setup) they are working ok and I am adjusting to the
> operational differences.  I figured I would give it more then 5 days of
> intermittent use before I actually declared I was going back to the good
> old days of DOS!
>
>  
>
> I haven't installed Office yet, but once I do that, poof, there goes most
> of the reason I would launch a metro app anyway.  Except Xbox companion,
> and a few games, and the people hub is interesting, oh, the picture hub
> too  
>
>  
>
> This is the first public generation of the Metro UI.  We're completing our
> migration to Windows 7 this year at work.  It would have been last year
> except internal politics and the new manager seems to have things on time
> this round.  Enterprise will adjust slowly however, our management is
> making sure we are watching this change but we don't plan to leap into it.
> We are also not saying no yet as a gut reaction.  We seriously won't even
> decide this until next year in any case, however, we will be watching it
> and the corporate stuff that will come with it.
>
>  
>
> I am going to do the VHD load on my wife's laptop this weekend since she
> is so interested in trying it out.  She is not a techie, usually she just
> tolerates it when I update her technology at home.  This time, she is
> intrigued and wants to play with it.
>
>  
>
>
> http://www.hanselman.com/blog/HowToGuideToInstallingAndBootingWindows8ConsumerPreviewOffAVHDVirtualHardDisk.aspx
> 
>
>  
>
> I have met some of the MS UI folks when they came out and interviewed a
> bunch of our team last year.  It was interesting.  They seemed like
> competent professionals.  I am willing to wait and see if I can deal with
> this change in a calm rational manner when we get more information on the
> interesting stuff.  GPOs customization options, etc. later this year.
>
>  
>
> I suspect that in the end we will get the same people pulling out that
> tired old meme (every other OS is a failure) which isn't really true, or
> pulling out the graphics comparing Windows 8 to some early version of
> Windows that actually ran on DOS with the hot dog theme set and pretending
> like there is some relevant comparison between shortcuts and Live Tiles,
> memory management and underlying capabilities.  These will all be the same
> people who said Microsoft must address the iPads and smart phones or they
> will be fail.  Now mostly, these same people are saying Microsoft is all
> sorts of fail when they actually took a bold step in re-imaging their
> entire line up in a way, that is starting to look pretty darn interesting
> (SkyDrive for everyone)
>
>  
>
> Fortunately, we should see the trend in a year.  Maybe some of you with 10
> GB list archives will remind us who gets to gloat eh?  I wonder what the
> list discussion will be like when people start talking about server 8.
>
>  
>
> Steven Peck
>
> http://www.blkmtn.org
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  ****
>
>
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Heaton, Joseph@DFG 
> wrote:
>
> Very much agree with this sentiment.
>
> Joe Heaton
> ITB - Windows Server Support
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:22 PM
> To: 

RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[James Hill]

I've started playing with Server 8.  I like the new server manager already
but haven't used much else yet.

 

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 6 March 2012 12:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

I keep looking up and the sky is still there.

 

I've been using it on hardware at home since Thursday (not nearly long
enough).  People are doing the same thing they do anytime there is a change.
The Internetz hate it because (it's different/not what I am used to/how dare
they).  

 

Whatever.

 

It took me 30-60 minutes to adjust to navigating around the interface.  I
don't miss the Start button, I just pop down where I used to and wow, there
something is.  As to the metro apps, I am trying them.  So far (baring the
oddities of my live id setup) they are working ok and I am adjusting to the
operational differences.  I figured I would give it more then 5 days of
intermittent use before I actually declared I was going back to the good old
days of DOS!

 

I haven't installed Office yet, but once I do that, poof, there goes most of
the reason I would launch a metro app anyway.  Except Xbox companion, and a
few games, and the people hub is interesting, oh, the picture hub too  

 

This is the first public generation of the Metro UI.  We're completing our
migration to Windows 7 this year at work.  It would have been last year
except internal politics and the new manager seems to have things on time
this round.  Enterprise will adjust slowly however, our management is making
sure we are watching this change but we don't plan to leap into it.  We are
also not saying no yet as a gut reaction.  We seriously won't even decide
this until next year in any case, however, we will be watching it and the
corporate stuff that will come with it.

 

I am going to do the VHD load on my wife's laptop this weekend since she is
so interested in trying it out.  She is not a techie, usually she just
tolerates it when I update her technology at home.  This time, she is
intrigued and wants to play with it.

 

http://www.hanselman.com/blog/HowToGuideToInstallingAndBootingWindows8Consum
erPreviewOffAVHDVirtualHardDisk.aspx

 

I have met some of the MS UI folks when they came out and interviewed a
bunch of our team last year.  It was interesting.  They seemed like
competent professionals.  I am willing to wait and see if I can deal with
this change in a calm rational manner when we get more information on the
interesting stuff.  GPOs customization options, etc. later this year.

 

I suspect that in the end we will get the same people pulling out that tired
old meme (every other OS is a failure) which isn't really true, or pulling
out the graphics comparing Windows 8 to some early version of Windows that
actually ran on DOS with the hot dog theme set and pretending like there is
some relevant comparison between shortcuts and Live Tiles, memory management
and underlying capabilities.  These will all be the same people who said
Microsoft must address the iPads and smart phones or they will be fail.  Now
mostly, these same people are saying Microsoft is all sorts of fail when
they actually took a bold step in re-imaging their entire line up in a way,
that is starting to look pretty darn interesting (SkyDrive for everyone)

 

Fortunately, we should see the trend in a year.  Maybe some of you with 10
GB list archives will remind us who gets to gloat eh?  I wonder what the
list discussion will be like when people start talking about server 8.

 

Steven Peck

http://www.blkmtn.org

 

 

 



 

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Heaton, Joseph@DFG 
wrote:

Very much agree with this sentiment.

Joe Heaton
ITB - Windows Server Support



-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:22 PM
To: Heaton, Joseph@DFG; NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Jeff Brown 
wrote:
> Yeah, there's  a learning curve, yes it looks different but how
> cool/USEFUL will it be to have the same access to [data] on your phone
> that you have on your desktop??  Or tablet?

 I don't get this sentiment.  It's perfectly possible to have access to the
same data on multiple platforms without running the same software on all of
them.  Indeed, there are plenty of people doing that now, with MSFT on the
desktop and RIM/APPL/GOOG for mobile.

 Additionally, I don't think trying to force the same UI paradigm everywhere
is a good idea.  When I'm sitting at my workstation, I have lots of display
real-estate, a full-sized keyboard.  Lots of windows, lots of foreground
multi-tasking, lots of in-depth work sessions.
Touchscreen is less useful (gorilla arm).  For my handheld, it's more of a
quick reference or fast note taking thing.  I'm a lot less likely to be
doing multiple foreground tasks 

Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[joe user]

Yup. Had to hard reset the device too.
And of course, they didn't set up the Google backup/sync.


On 3/5/2012 8:13 PM, Rod Trent wrote:

Never experienced an Android virus. Have you?




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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Rod Trent]

Never experienced an Android virus. Have you?

joe user  wrote:

>Exactly, I've already had to reset Androids & iPhones and I still have 
>no idea how to reset my Windows Phone, Why? Haven't needed too.
>
>Love when androids get virused and what-not too.
>
>
>I think the Xbox failure line was sarcasm, BTW...
>
>
>
>On 3/5/2012 7:21 PM, James Hill wrote:
>> That's a bit unfair.  Kin was a joke, no denying that.  But WP7 is
>very very
>> stable.  It's the most bug free mobile phone I've used and supported.
> I'm
>> yet to meet anyone that has used it for any length of time that
>didn't like
>> it.
>
>
>-- 
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>
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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Steven Peck]

I keep looking up and the sky is still there.

I've been using it on hardware at home since Thursday (not nearly long
enough).  People are doing the same thing they do anytime there is a
change.  The Internetz hate it because (it's different/not what I am used
to/how dare they).

Whatever.

It took me 30-60 minutes to adjust to navigating around the interface.  I
don't miss the Start button, I just pop down where I used to and wow, there
something is.  As to the metro apps, I am trying them.  So far (baring the
oddities of my live id setup) they are working ok and I am adjusting to the
operational differences.  I figured I would give it more then 5 days of
intermittent use before I actually declared I was going back to the good
old days of DOS!

I haven't installed Office yet, but once I do that, poof, there goes most
of the reason I would launch a metro app anyway.  Except Xbox companion,
and a few games, and the people hub is interesting, oh, the picture hub
too

This is the first public generation of the Metro UI.  We're completing our
migration to Windows 7 this year at work.  It would have been last year
except internal politics and the new manager seems to have things on time
this round.  Enterprise will adjust slowly however, our management is
making sure we are watching this change but we don't plan to leap into it.
We are also not saying no yet as a gut reaction.  We seriously won't even
decide this until next year in any case, however, we will be watching it
and the corporate stuff that will come with it.

I am going to do the VHD load on my wife's laptop this weekend since she is
so interested in trying it out.  She is not a techie, usually she just
tolerates it when I update her technology at home.  This time, she is
intrigued and wants to play with it.

http://www.hanselman.com/blog/HowToGuideToInstallingAndBootingWindows8ConsumerPreviewOffAVHDVirtualHardDisk.aspx

I have met some of the MS UI folks when they came out and interviewed a
bunch of our team last year.  It was interesting.  They seemed like
competent professionals.  I am willing to wait and see if I can deal with
this change in a calm rational manner when we get more information on the
interesting stuff.  GPOs customization options, etc. later this year.

I suspect that in the end we will get the same people pulling out that
tired old meme (every other OS is a failure) which isn't really true, or
pulling out the graphics comparing Windows 8 to some early version of
Windows that actually ran on DOS with the hot dog theme set and pretending
like there is some relevant comparison between shortcuts and Live Tiles,
memory management and underlying capabilities.  These will all be the same
people who said Microsoft must address the iPads and smart phones or they
will be fail.  Now mostly, these same people are saying Microsoft is all
sorts of fail when they actually took a bold step in re-imaging their
entire line up in a way, that is starting to look pretty darn interesting
(SkyDrive for everyone)

Fortunately, we should see the trend in a year.  Maybe some of you with 10
GB list archives will remind us who gets to gloat eh?  I wonder what the
list discussion will be like when people start talking about server 8.

Steven Peck
http://www.blkmtn.org






On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Heaton, Joseph@DFG wrote:

> Very much agree with this sentiment.
>
> Joe Heaton
> ITB - Windows Server Support
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:22 PM
> To: Heaton, Joseph@DFG; NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Jeff Brown 
> wrote:
> > Yeah, there's  a learning curve, yes it looks different but how
> > cool/USEFUL will it be to have the same access to [data] on your phone
> > that you have on your desktop??  Or tablet?
>
>  I don't get this sentiment.  It's perfectly possible to have access to
> the same data on multiple platforms without running the same software on
> all of them.  Indeed, there are plenty of people doing that now, with MSFT
> on the desktop and RIM/APPL/GOOG for mobile.
>
>  Additionally, I don't think trying to force the same UI paradigm
> everywhere is a good idea.  When I'm sitting at my workstation, I have lots
> of display real-estate, a full-sized keyboard.  Lots of windows, lots of
> foreground multi-tasking, lots of in-depth work sessions.
> Touchscreen is less useful (gorilla arm).  For my handheld, it's more of a
> quick reference or fast note taking thing.  I'm a lot less likely to be
> doing multiple foreground tasks at once.  Screen real estate is at a
> premium.  Touchscreen is preferred.
>
>  While I think it makes a lot of sense for Microsoft to try and
> standardize

RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Ken Schaefer]

Anyone actually tried it on a tablet?

I'm trialing it on a HP Slate 500, and there's quite a few painful things. E.g. 
there's no Windows key on the default on screen input panel - nor is there an 
escape key (so no Ctrl+Esc). Which makes it hard to get to the Charms menu 
(Win+C) or the Metro start screen.

Cheers
Ken

From: Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 March 2012 3:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

I have to say my initial reaction is good for tabs. Like John, I can't wait to 
see some of the new tablets.

As for Enterprise, I don't see Win8 making its mark if it stays the current 
course. In fact I have a feeling it will go the way of Vista in the Enterprise. 
It is too limiting and non-intuitive. It requires a complete retraining for 
users and very few IT people have the time for that. The CP also lacks some key 
domain support at the moment, such as in the printer and file sharing areas, so 
maybe next version I will change my mind. Then again, they really ditched the 
enterprise in Windows Phone in my opinion, so maybe they won't improve on that.

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley


From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]<mailto:[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 14:33
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

With tablets and touch devices growing by leaps and bounds, I can't fault 
Microsoft for tailoring its latest OS to them. I'm really excited about Win8 
tablets-can't wait to see them on the market.

For traditional PCs, the desktop is still there, and apps can still be scaled 
so that multiple apps fit on the screen (assuming the app isn't a solely metro 
app, of course). I suspect that Microsoft has done their research on this, and 
found that many people don't run multiple apps on the same screen at the same 
time. I know most of my users don't. But it's still an option with Win8.



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:falc...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 5:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

It's a bit of a mess with a keyboard and mouse.  Nothing is obvious and the 
concept of an app taking the full screen is a waste of real estate on large 
monitors.

No Start Menu is a mistake.  I think it looks great for tablets and touch 
devices but it doesn't work for a desktop.

It isn't "windows" anymore.  It's WINDOW.

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[joe user]

Exactly, I've already had to reset Androids & iPhones and I still have 
no idea how to reset my Windows Phone, Why? Haven't needed too.


Love when androids get virused and what-not too.


I think the Xbox failure line was sarcasm, BTW...



On 3/5/2012 7:21 PM, James Hill wrote:

That's a bit unfair.  Kin was a joke, no denying that.  But WP7 is very very
stable.  It's the most bug free mobile phone I've used and supported.  I'm
yet to meet anyone that has used it for any length of time that didn't like
it.



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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Jon Harris]

Hey now I have 3 Kin's I support and except for one having a "butt dialing"
issue they seem to work pretty well.  Of course they are only used as
phones the "smart" part is not in play on any of them.

Jon

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:21 PM, James Hill  wrote:

> That’s a bit unfair.  Kin was a joke, no denying that.  But WP7 is very
> very stable.  It’s the most bug free mobile phone I’ve used and supported.
> I’m yet to meet anyone that has used it for any length of time that didn’t
> like it.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 6 March 2012 5:54 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> Late-to-market and the “Netscape” factor all over again has a lot to do
> with it, too.
>
> ** **
>
> Oh…it’s a solid platform – just like Zune and the Kin was.  
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> *Sent:* Monday, March 05, 2012 2:20 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> The reason WP7 doesn’t have more marketshare has less to do with its
> design than with the fact that marketing for it stinks. Nobody has heard of
> it. I suspect that with some of the new phones coming out (e.g., the Lumia
> 900), that will change.
>
> ** **
>
> I’m not saying WP7 is for everyone. But it’s absolutely a solid platform,
> it’s easy to use, and it’s refreshingly different from iOS and Android.***
> *
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
>
> MIS Department
>
> Taylor County School District
>
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2012 12:34 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> I’m still not getting it and I’ve been playing with it a while.
>
> ** **
>
> Why take a failed mobile OS and make it a desktop OS?  I mean, sure, I see
> the logic because it **could** help bolster poor mobile device sales, but…
> 
>
> ** **
>
> The interface reminds me of the Partridge Family bus.
>
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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[joe user]

Oh hell, I had a Win7 Pro box booting in under 10 seconds...
C'mon...


On 3/5/2012 3:27 PM, Guyer, Donald wrote:

My Win 7 SSD-based machine rivals that fairly close. I never actually timed it, 
but I'm guesstimating 20 and 30 - ish.

Now you've got me curious...


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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[joe user]

Here, here... Still running many Win2K's
It is getting to the point of 'must upgrade' though.


On 3/5/2012 2:36 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:

2000 Not good?  That's news to me.

2000 rocked.  It was lean, it was fast, it added USB support NT didn't
have.  It was also the first OS (server) with AD...



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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Heaton, Joseph@DFG]

Very much agree with this sentiment.

Joe Heaton
ITB - Windows Server Support


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:22 PM
To: Heaton, Joseph@DFG; NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Jeff Brown  wrote:
> Yeah, there's  a learning curve, yes it looks different but how 
> cool/USEFUL will it be to have the same access to [data] on your phone 
> that you have on your desktop??  Or tablet?

  I don't get this sentiment.  It's perfectly possible to have access to the 
same data on multiple platforms without running the same software on all of 
them.  Indeed, there are plenty of people doing that now, with MSFT on the 
desktop and RIM/APPL/GOOG for mobile.

  Additionally, I don't think trying to force the same UI paradigm everywhere 
is a good idea.  When I'm sitting at my workstation, I have lots of display 
real-estate, a full-sized keyboard.  Lots of windows, lots of foreground 
multi-tasking, lots of in-depth work sessions.
Touchscreen is less useful (gorilla arm).  For my handheld, it's more of a 
quick reference or fast note taking thing.  I'm a lot less likely to be doing 
multiple foreground tasks at once.  Screen real estate is at a premium.  
Touchscreen is preferred.

  While I think it makes a lot of sense for Microsoft to try and standardize on 
one platform, I think trying to force the same UI on everyone everywhere would 
be a mistake.

-- Ben

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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Rod Trent]

I don't think I've ever actually paid for a Gold pass.  I keep winning them
at MMS every year.

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 5:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

That's easy. I'm cheap. I don't want to play for XBOX Live Gold or Premium.
So I use the Wii for Netflix & etc.

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 4:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

A lot of families have multiple consoles.  XBOX can do it all, including
streaming TV and movies, and can now be seamlessly integrated with Windows
Phone and Window 8.  Yet, there are a lot of homes that have a Wii sitting
alongside the XBOX.

 

From: Jeff Brown [mailto:jbr...@webcoindustries.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 4:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

I'm no gamer, but I thought Xbox live more than holds its own in the gaming
theatre now??

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

Microsoft was early to market with XBOX Live.

 

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 3:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

and the Xbox.  What a failure that was.

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:

Late-to-market and the "Netscape" factor all over again has a lot to do with
it, too.

 

Oh.it's a solid platform - just like Zune and the Kin was.  

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:20 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

The reason WP7 doesn't have more marketshare has less to do with its design
than with the fact that marketing for it stinks. Nobody has heard of it. I
suspect that with some of the new phones coming out (e.g., the Lumia 900),
that will change.

 

I'm not saying WP7 is for everyone. But it's absolutely a solid platform,
it's easy to use, and it's refreshingly different from iOS and Android.

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

 

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 12:34 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

I'm still not getting it and I've been playing with it a while.

 

Why take a failed mobile OS and make it a desktop OS?  I mean, sure, I see
the logic because it *could* help bolster poor mobile device sales, but.

 

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Ben Scott]

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> There’s an add-on to get the START button back…

  Hmm.  Maybe this is just a plan for a new revenue stream!

  "Sure, you can keep the Start button.  For a nominal fee..."

  "That's a nice user interface you got there.  It'd be a shame if
anything where to... happen to it."

  ;-)

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Ben Scott]

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Jeff Brown  wrote:
> Yeah, there’s  a learning curve, yes it looks different but how
> cool/USEFUL will it be to have the same access to [data] on your phone that
> you have on your desktop??  Or tablet?

  I don't get this sentiment.  It's perfectly possible to have access
to the same data on multiple platforms without running the same
software on all of them.  Indeed, there are plenty of people doing
that now, with MSFT on the desktop and RIM/APPL/GOOG for mobile.

  Additionally, I don't think trying to force the same UI paradigm
everywhere is a good idea.  When I'm sitting at my workstation, I have
lots of display real-estate, a full-sized keyboard.  Lots of windows,
lots of foreground multi-tasking, lots of in-depth work sessions.
Touchscreen is less useful (gorilla arm).  For my handheld, it's more
of a quick reference or fast note taking thing.  I'm a lot less likely
to be doing multiple foreground tasks at once.  Screen real estate is
at a premium.  Touchscreen is preferred.

  While I think it makes a lot of sense for Microsoft to try and
standardize on one platform, I think trying to force the same UI on
everyone everywhere would be a mistake.

-- Ben

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Ben Scott]

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:33 PM, John Hornbuckle
 wrote:
> For traditional PCs, the desktop is still there, and apps can still be
> scaled so that multiple apps fit on the screen (assuming the app isn’t a
> solely metro app, of course). I suspect that Microsoft has done their
> research on this, and found that many people don’t run multiple apps on the
> same screen at the same time. I know most of my users don’t. But it’s still
> an option with Win8.

  One potential problem I see brewing here is the fact that the Metro
UI doesn't co-exist with the everything-else UI.  If you launch a
Metro program it has to hide all the other stuff.

  The fact that many people don't run multiple windpws at the same
time is no reason to cripple the rest of us.  There's still a great
many people who work in more than one thing at a time.

-- Ben

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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Rod Trent]

There's an add-on to get the START button back.

 

http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/2012/03/05/are-you-lost-without-a-start-but
ton-in-windows-8/ 

 

From: Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 5:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

Maybe I'm missing it, but it appears they took away the ability to shut off
Metro since the dev preview. All I can see is the ability to switch back and
forth. Plus no start button, so most users won't know what to do with the
normal desktop. The only thing they get back is a normal windowed
application view such as with IE 10. MS is advising people in forums to just
use this and that shortcut keys. The average Enterprise user is not going to
react well to that, lot of complaints and lot of demands to roll back will
come. 

 

They need to be a little less forceful about Metro if they want Enterprise
adoption before the next version of windows down the road. It's fine for
touch screens, tablets and phones, not so good for standard desktops. I did
love my windows phone, except it was definitely consumer oriented, not at
all designed for Enterprise except for email.

 

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley



 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 16:12
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

>>The improvements in many underlying areas between Windows8 and Windows
Server8 will have almost every IT Pro begging to get their environment
upgraded as soon as they can.

 

Indeed...

 





ASB


http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker


Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market.

 

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Tim Vander Kooi 
wrote:

Windows8 run in most Enterprises will likely just have the Metro interface
shut down, which looks almost exactly like Windows7, so I see no reason why
businesses would not have very fast uptake. The improvements in many
underlying areas between Windows8 and Windows Server8 will have almost every
IT Pro begging to get their environment upgraded as soon as they can.

Regards,

Tim

 

From: Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 1:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

I have to say my initial reaction is good for tabs. Like John, I can't wait
to see some of the new tablets. 

 

As for Enterprise, I don't see Win8 making its mark if it stays the current
course. In fact I have a feeling it will go the way of Vista in the
Enterprise. It is too limiting and non-intuitive. It requires a complete
retraining for users and very few IT people have the time for that. The CP
also lacks some key domain support at the moment, such as in the printer and
file sharing areas, so maybe next version I will change my mind. Then again,
they really ditched the enterprise in Windows Phone in my opinion, so maybe
they won't improve on that.

 

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 14:33


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

With tablets and touch devices growing by leaps and bounds, I can't fault
Microsoft for tailoring its latest OS to them. I'm really excited about Win8
tablets-can't wait to see them on the market.

 

For traditional PCs, the desktop is still there, and apps can still be
scaled so that multiple apps fit on the screen (assuming the app isn't a
solely metro app, of course). I suspect that Microsoft has done their
research on this, and found that many people don't run multiple apps on the
same screen at the same time. I know most of my users don't. But it's still
an option with Win8.

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 5:37 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

It's a bit of a mess with a keyboard and mouse.  Nothing is obvious and the
concept of an app taking the full screen is a waste of real estate on large
monitors.

 

No Start Menu is a mistake.  I think it looks great for tablets and touch
devices but it doesn't work for a desktop.

 

It isn't "windows" anymore.  It's WINDOW.

 

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Matthew W. Ross]

I ran 2000 instead of XP for YEARS, as there was nearly zero things in XP that 
2000 could do, with a smaller memory footprint.

I finally dropped 2000 when new hardware I was purchasing no longer supported 
it. Recently, 2000 support has begun to decline in my software too.

Server-wise, 2000 and 2003 seems simular to me. Perhaps I just didn't use all 
of the added functionality of 2003.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


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From: Jonathan Link
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To: NT System Admin Issues
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Sent: Mon, 05 Mar 2012
12:36:16 -0800
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?


> 2000 Not good?  That's news to me.
> 
> 2000 rocked.  It was lean, it was fast, it added USB support NT didn't
> have.  It was also the first OS (server) with AD...
> 
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:22 PM, James Rankin  wrote:
> 
> > Maybe everyone's just pensive because Microsoft have a habit of following
> > good OSes with bad. NT4 good - 2000 not so good - XP/2003 good -
> > Vista/Server 2008 pants - 7/Server 2008 R2 good - 8 ?
> >
> >
> > On 5 March 2012 20:00, John Hornbuckle
> wrote:
> >
> >> As an enterprise, I’m very concerned about the learning curve, too.
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> But at some point, you have to finally break away from the past even if
> >> it involves a steep learning curve. The jump from DOS to Win3x required
> >> quite a bit of retraining, as did the jump from Win3x to Win95. Both of
> >> those were fairly radical moves, and things have stayed relatively static
> >> since Win95 with the old familiar Start button in the lower-left corner.*
> >> ***
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> Maybe it’s time for a big shift.
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> John****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> *From:* Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
> >> *Sent:* Monday, March 05, 2012 2:46 PM
> >>
> >> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> >> *Subject:* RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> I have to say my initial reaction is good for tabs. Like John, I can’t
> >> wait to see some of the new tablets. 
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> As for Enterprise, I don’t see Win8 making its mark if it stays the
> >> current course. In fact I have a feeling it will go the way of Vista in
> the
> >> Enterprise. It is too limiting and non-intuitive. It requires a complete
> >> retraining for users and very few IT people have the time for that. The
> CP
> >> also lacks some key domain support at the moment, such as in the printer
> >> and file sharing areas, so maybe next version I will change my mind. Then
> >> again, they really ditched the enterprise in Windows Phone in my opinion,
> >> so maybe they won’t improve on that.
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >>
> >> Dan Bartley
> >>
> >> 
> >>
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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Rod Trent]

A lot of families have multiple consoles.  XBOX can do it all, including
streaming TV and movies, and can now be seamlessly integrated with Windows
Phone and Window 8.  Yet, there are a lot of homes that have a Wii sitting
alongside the XBOX.

 

From: Jeff Brown [mailto:jbr...@webcoindustries.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 4:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

I'm no gamer, but I thought Xbox live more than holds its own in the gaming
theatre now??

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

Microsoft was early to market with XBOX Live.

 

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 3:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

and the Xbox.  What a failure that was.

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:

Late-to-market and the "Netscape" factor all over again has a lot to do with
it, too.

 

Oh.it's a solid platform - just like Zune and the Kin was.  

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:20 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

The reason WP7 doesn't have more marketshare has less to do with its design
than with the fact that marketing for it stinks. Nobody has heard of it. I
suspect that with some of the new phones coming out (e.g., the Lumia 900),
that will change.

 

I'm not saying WP7 is for everyone. But it's absolutely a solid platform,
it's easy to use, and it's refreshingly different from iOS and Android.

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

 

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 12:34 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

I'm still not getting it and I've been playing with it a while.

 

Why take a failed mobile OS and make it a desktop OS?  I mean, sure, I see
the logic because it *could* help bolster poor mobile device sales, but.

 

The interface reminds me of the Partridge Family bus.

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Bill Humphries]

Good luck getting a Nokia phone on contract from Verizon or AT&T.

Bill

John Hornbuckle wrote:


The reason WP7 doesn’t have more marketshare has less to do with its 
design than with the fact that marketing for it stinks. Nobody has 
heard of it. I suspect that with some of the new phones coming out 
(e.g., the Lumia 900), that will change.


I’m not saying WP7 is for everyone. But it’s absolutely a solid 
platform, it’s easy to use, and it’s refreshingly different from iOS 
and Android.


John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

*From:* Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
*Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2012 12:34 PM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

I’m still not getting it and I’ve been playing with it a while.

Why take a failed mobile OS and make it a desktop OS? I mean, sure, I 
see the logic because it **could** help bolster poor mobile device 
sales, but…


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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Jeff Brown]

I'm no gamer, but I thought Xbox live more than holds its own in the gaming 
theatre now??

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

Microsoft was early to market with XBOX Live.

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:sep...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 3:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

and the Xbox.  What a failure that was.
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Late-to-market and the "Netscape" factor all over again has a lot to do with 
it, too.

Oh...it's a solid platform - just like Zune and the Kin was.

From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:20 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

The reason WP7 doesn't have more marketshare has less to do with its design 
than with the fact that marketing for it stinks. Nobody has heard of it. I 
suspect that with some of the new phones coming out (e.g., the Lumia 900), that 
will change.

I'm not saying WP7 is for everyone. But it's absolutely a solid platform, it's 
easy to use, and it's refreshingly different from iOS and Android.



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>





From: Rod Trent 
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]<mailto:[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 12:34 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

I'm still not getting it and I've been playing with it a while.

Why take a failed mobile OS and make it a desktop OS?  I mean, sure, I see the 
logic because it *could* help bolster poor mobile device sales, but...

The interface reminds me of the Partridge Family bus.

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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Rod Trent]

Best part about Win8?  Shutdown and boot times.

 

8 second shutdown for me.  12 second boot up.

 

 

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 3:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

Windows8 run in most Enterprises will likely just have the Metro interface
shut down, which looks almost exactly like Windows7, so I see no reason why
businesses would not have very fast uptake. The improvements in many
underlying areas between Windows8 and Windows Server8 will have almost every
IT Pro begging to get their environment upgraded as soon as they can.

Regards,

Tim

 

From: Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 1:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

I have to say my initial reaction is good for tabs. Like John, I can't wait
to see some of the new tablets. 

 

As for Enterprise, I don't see Win8 making its mark if it stays the current
course. In fact I have a feeling it will go the way of Vista in the
Enterprise. It is too limiting and non-intuitive. It requires a complete
retraining for users and very few IT people have the time for that. The CP
also lacks some key domain support at the moment, such as in the printer and
file sharing areas, so maybe next version I will change my mind. Then again,
they really ditched the enterprise in Windows Phone in my opinion, so maybe
they won't improve on that.

 

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 14:33
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

With tablets and touch devices growing by leaps and bounds, I can't fault
Microsoft for tailoring its latest OS to them. I'm really excited about Win8
tablets-can't wait to see them on the market.

 

For traditional PCs, the desktop is still there, and apps can still be
scaled so that multiple apps fit on the screen (assuming the app isn't a
solely metro app, of course). I suspect that Microsoft has done their
research on this, and found that many people don't run multiple apps on the
same screen at the same time. I know most of my users don't. But it's still
an option with Win8.

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 5:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

It's a bit of a mess with a keyboard and mouse.  Nothing is obvious and the
concept of an app taking the full screen is a waste of real estate on large
monitors.

 

No Start Menu is a mistake.  I think it looks great for tablets and touch
devices but it doesn't work for a desktop.

 

It isn't "windows" anymore.  It's WINDOW.

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[James Rankin]

Well, I was sticking to the NT-based systems - but I wasn't too keen on
Windows 98 either, now that you mention it. I never saw so many fatal
exception errors as I did on 98 - but it might have had something to do
with the flaky medical software I used to support around that time.

On 5 March 2012 20:49, John C Owen  wrote:

> NT4 good, 95/98SE good, ME? NOT, 
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, March 05, 2012 3:36 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> 2000 Not good?  That's news to me.
>
>  
>
> 2000 rocked.  It was lean, it was fast, it added USB support NT didn't
> have.  It was also the first OS (server) with AD...
>
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:22 PM, James Rankin 
> wrote:
>
> Maybe everyone's just pensive because Microsoft have a habit of following
> good OSes with bad. NT4 good - 2000 not so good - XP/2003 good -
> Vista/Server 2008 pants - 7/Server 2008 R2 good - 8 ?
>
> 
>
> On 5 March 2012 20:00, John Hornbuckle 
> wrote:
>
> As an enterprise, I’m very concerned about the learning curve, too.
>
>  
>
> But at some point, you have to finally break away from the past even if it
> involves a steep learning curve. The jump from DOS to Win3x required quite
> a bit of retraining, as did the jump from Win3x to Win95. Both of those
> were fairly radical moves, and things have stayed relatively static since
> Win95 with the old familiar Start button in the lower-left corner.
>
>  
>
> Maybe it’s time for a big shift.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> John
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  ****
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, March 05, 2012 2:46 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
>  
>
> I have to say my initial reaction is good for tabs. Like John, I can’t
> wait to see some of the new tablets. 
>
>  
>
> As for Enterprise, I don’t see Win8 making its mark if it stays the
> current course. In fact I have a feeling it will go the way of Vista in the
> Enterprise. It is too limiting and non-intuitive. It requires a complete
> retraining for users and very few IT people have the time for that. The CP
> also lacks some key domain support at the moment, such as in the printer
> and file sharing areas, so maybe next version I will change my mind. Then
> again, they really ditched the enterprise in Windows Phone in my opinion,
> so maybe they won’t improve on that.
>
>  
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dan Bartley
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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Rod Trent]

Microsoft was early to market with XBOX Live.

 

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 3:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

and the Xbox.  What a failure that was.

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:

Late-to-market and the "Netscape" factor all over again has a lot to do with
it, too.

 

Oh.it's a solid platform - just like Zune and the Kin was.  

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:20 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

The reason WP7 doesn't have more marketshare has less to do with its design
than with the fact that marketing for it stinks. Nobody has heard of it. I
suspect that with some of the new phones coming out (e.g., the Lumia 900),
that will change.

 

I'm not saying WP7 is for everyone. But it's absolutely a solid platform,
it's easy to use, and it's refreshingly different from iOS and Android.

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

 

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 12:34 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

I'm still not getting it and I've been playing with it a while.

 

Why take a failed mobile OS and make it a desktop OS?  I mean, sure, I see
the logic because it *could* help bolster poor mobile device sales, but.

 

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[James Rankin]

I wasn't keen. It was loaded with stuff you didn't seem to need, it
insisted on installing IIS on servers (unless they were NT4 upgrades), it
felt bloated and a bit inflexible.

Granted, AD was a big step, but 2003 made it much better. I think I only
did one NT4 --> 2000 AD upgrade. Everyone else I supported hung on for 2003.

Still, I'll concede it wasn't anywhere near as pants as Vista. But I just
didn't like it at all. It felt like XP was much better, and the fact that
XP followed so hot on its heels didn't really do it much favours, I
suppose. Still, its just IMHO, YMMV, etc, etc.

On 5 March 2012 20:36, Jonathan Link  wrote:

> 2000 Not good?  That's news to me.
>
> 2000 rocked.  It was lean, it was fast, it added USB support NT didn't
> have.  It was also the first OS (server) with AD...
>
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:22 PM, James Rankin wrote:
>
>> Maybe everyone's just pensive because Microsoft have a habit of following
>> good OSes with bad. NT4 good - 2000 not so good - XP/2003 good -
>> Vista/Server 2008 pants - 7/Server 2008 R2 good - 8 ?
>>
>>
>>  On 5 March 2012 20:00, John Hornbuckle > > wrote:
>>
>>> As an enterprise, I’m very concerned about the learning curve, too.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> But at some point, you have to finally break away from the past even if
>>> it involves a steep learning curve. The jump from DOS to Win3x required
>>> quite a bit of retraining, as did the jump from Win3x to Win95. Both of
>>> those were fairly radical moves, and things have stayed relatively static
>>> since Win95 with the old familiar Start button in the lower-left corner.
>>> 
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Maybe it’s time for a big shift.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 05, 2012 2:46 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I have to say my initial reaction is good for tabs. Like John, I can’t
>>> wait to see some of the new tablets. 
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> As for Enterprise, I don’t see Win8 making its mark if it stays the
>>> current course. In fact I have a feeling it will go the way of Vista in the
>>> Enterprise. It is too limiting and non-intuitive. It requires a complete
>>> retraining for users and very few IT people have the time for that. The CP
>>> also lacks some key domain support at the moment, such as in the printer
>>> and file sharing areas, so maybe next version I will change my mind. Then
>>> again, they really ditched the enterprise in Windows Phone in my opinion,
>>> so maybe they won’t improve on that.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Dan Bartley
>>>
>>> 
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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[John C Owen]

NT4 good, 95/98SE good, ME? NOT,

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 3:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

2000 Not good?  That's news to me.

2000 rocked.  It was lean, it was fast, it added USB support NT didn't have.  
It was also the first OS (server) with AD...
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:22 PM, James Rankin 
mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
Maybe everyone's just pensive because Microsoft have a habit of following good 
OSes with bad. NT4 good - 2000 not so good - XP/2003 good - Vista/Server 2008 
pants - 7/Server 2008 R2 good - 8 ?

On 5 March 2012 20:00, John Hornbuckle 
mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>> 
wrote:
As an enterprise, I'm very concerned about the learning curve, too.

But at some point, you have to finally break away from the past even if it 
involves a steep learning curve. The jump from DOS to Win3x required quite a 
bit of retraining, as did the jump from Win3x to Win95. Both of those were 
fairly radical moves, and things have stayed relatively static since Win95 with 
the old familiar Start button in the lower-left corner.

Maybe it's time for a big shift.


John





From: Dan Bartley 
[mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com<mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com>]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:46 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

I have to say my initial reaction is good for tabs. Like John, I can't wait to 
see some of the new tablets.

As for Enterprise, I don't see Win8 making its mark if it stays the current 
course. In fact I have a feeling it will go the way of Vista in the Enterprise. 
It is too limiting and non-intuitive. It requires a complete retraining for 
users and very few IT people have the time for that. The CP also lacks some key 
domain support at the moment, such as in the printer and file sharing areas, so 
maybe next version I will change my mind. Then again, they really ditched the 
enterprise in Windows Phone in my opinion, so maybe they won't improve on that.

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[James Rankin]

Maybe everyone's just pensive because Microsoft have a habit of following
good OSes with bad. NT4 good - 2000 not so good - XP/2003 good -
Vista/Server 2008 pants - 7/Server 2008 R2 good - 8 ?


On 5 March 2012 20:00, John Hornbuckle wrote:

> As an enterprise, I’m very concerned about the learning curve, too.
>
> ** **
>
> But at some point, you have to finally break away from the past even if it
> involves a steep learning curve. The jump from DOS to Win3x required quite
> a bit of retraining, as did the jump from Win3x to Win95. Both of those
> were fairly radical moves, and things have stayed relatively static since
> Win95 with the old familiar Start button in the lower-left corner.
>
> ** **
>
> Maybe it’s time for a big shift.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> John
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, March 05, 2012 2:46 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> I have to say my initial reaction is good for tabs. Like John, I can’t
> wait to see some of the new tablets. 
>
> ** **
>
> As for Enterprise, I don’t see Win8 making its mark if it stays the
> current course. In fact I have a feeling it will go the way of Vista in the
> Enterprise. It is too limiting and non-intuitive. It requires a complete
> retraining for users and very few IT people have the time for that. The CP
> also lacks some key domain support at the moment, such as in the printer
> and file sharing areas, so maybe next version I will change my mind. Then
> again, they really ditched the enterprise in Windows Phone in my opinion,
> so maybe they won’t improve on that.
>
> ** **
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dan Bartley
>
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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Steven Peck]

and the Xbox.  What a failure that was.

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:

> Late-to-market and the “Netscape” factor all over again has a lot to do
> with it, too.
>
> ** **
>
> Oh…it’s a solid platform – just like Zune and the Kin was.  
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> *Sent:* Monday, March 05, 2012 2:20 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> The reason WP7 doesn’t have more marketshare has less to do with its
> design than with the fact that marketing for it stinks. Nobody has heard of
> it. I suspect that with some of the new phones coming out (e.g., the Lumia
> 900), that will change.
>
> ** **
>
> I’m not saying WP7 is for everyone. But it’s absolutely a solid platform,
> it’s easy to use, and it’s refreshingly different from iOS and Android.***
> *
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
>
> MIS Department
>
> Taylor County School District
>
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2012 12:34 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> I’m still not getting it and I’ve been playing with it a while.
>
> ** **
>
> Why take a failed mobile OS and make it a desktop OS?  I mean, sure, I see
> the logic because it **could** help bolster poor mobile device sales, but…
> 
>
> ** **
>
> The interface reminds me of the Partridge Family bus.
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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[John Hornbuckle]

As an enterprise, I'm very concerned about the learning curve, too.

But at some point, you have to finally break away from the past even if it 
involves a steep learning curve. The jump from DOS to Win3x required quite a 
bit of retraining, as did the jump from Win3x to Win95. Both of those were 
fairly radical moves, and things have stayed relatively static since Win95 with 
the old familiar Start button in the lower-left corner.

Maybe it's time for a big shift.


John





From: Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

I have to say my initial reaction is good for tabs. Like John, I can't wait to 
see some of the new tablets.

As for Enterprise, I don't see Win8 making its mark if it stays the current 
course. In fact I have a feeling it will go the way of Vista in the Enterprise. 
It is too limiting and non-intuitive. It requires a complete retraining for 
users and very few IT people have the time for that. The CP also lacks some key 
domain support at the moment, such as in the printer and file sharing areas, so 
maybe next version I will change my mind. Then again, they really ditched the 
enterprise in Windows Phone in my opinion, so maybe they won't improve on that.

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley


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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Rod Trent]

myITforum has a poll up, btw.

 

http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/2012/03/05/windows-8-success-or-failure/

 

 

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

I am already seeing mainstream ads or it.  I am also seeing product
placement on some shows after the oscars more visibly.  They have the new
'Smoked by Windows Phone' web ads coming out and soon will have them on TV.
So yes, finally ads.  Also, Nokia is putting in funding for retail sales.
Currently most of this is outside the US but T-Mobile has the TV ads now and
ATT will soon have retail incentives as well.  Coupled with a Zune passm, it
pretty solidly fills my needs.  

 

I suspect one reason you are not seeing a lot of information on WP8 is MS
doesn't wish to distract from Nokia's ad campaigns or discussion of Windows
8 at his time.

 

Steven Peck

http://www.blkmtn.org



 

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:20 AM, John Hornbuckle
 wrote:

The reason WP7 doesn't have more marketshare has less to do with its design
than with the fact that marketing for it stinks. Nobody has heard of it. I
suspect that with some of the new phones coming out (e.g., the Lumia 900),
that will change.

 

I'm not saying WP7 is for everyone. But it's absolutely a solid platform,
it's easy to use, and it's refreshingly different from iOS and Android.

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

 

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 12:34 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

I'm still not getting it and I've been playing with it a while.

 

Why take a failed mobile OS and make it a desktop OS?  I mean, sure, I see
the logic because it *could* help bolster poor mobile device sales, but.

 

The interface reminds me of the Partridge Family bus.

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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Rod Trent]

Late-to-market and the "Netscape" factor all over again has a lot to do with
it, too.

 

Oh.it's a solid platform - just like Zune and the Kin was.  

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

The reason WP7 doesn't have more marketshare has less to do with its design
than with the fact that marketing for it stinks. Nobody has heard of it. I
suspect that with some of the new phones coming out (e.g., the Lumia 900),
that will change.

 

I'm not saying WP7 is for everyone. But it's absolutely a solid platform,
it's easy to use, and it's refreshingly different from iOS and Android.

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

 

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 12:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

I'm still not getting it and I've been playing with it a while.

 

Why take a failed mobile OS and make it a desktop OS?  I mean, sure, I see
the logic because it *could* help bolster poor mobile device sales, but.

 

The interface reminds me of the Partridge Family bus.

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Steven Peck]

I loaded it on my main home system Thursday and have been playing since.
First thing I loaded was Steam games, WoW and mumble client.  Played with
some other stuff as well.

Overall, I am liking it quirks and all.  Some of the quirks have to do with
my live ID.  Currently it seems that the facebook integration and stuff
will only work if your live id is live.com or hotmail.  Mine is my domain
but hosted by Microsoft so I need to figure a configuration work around.  I
am hoping it is a limitation of the CP and not something long term as this
issue is reported to affect domains using Office365 at this time.  We'll
hear more about that soon I hope.

multi-monitor support for the desktop rocks and once I figured out WIndows
key + PgUp it rocked more.  My wife is starting to bug me to load her
laptop with it which is unusual.

I need to get the Server 8 on my lab system this weekend.  Microsoft really
wants to present at work to us why we should be getting on the bandwagon.

Steven Peck
http://www.blkmtn.org



On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:33 AM, John Hornbuckle <
john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us> wrote:

> With tablets and touch devices growing by leaps and bounds, I can’t fault
> Microsoft for tailoring its latest OS to them. I’m really excited about
> Win8 tablets—can’t wait to see them on the market.
>
> ** **
>
> For traditional PCs, the desktop is still there, and apps can still be
> scaled so that multiple apps fit on the screen (assuming the app isn’t a
> solely metro app, of course). I suspect that Microsoft has done their
> research on this, and found that many people don’t run multiple apps on the
> same screen at the same time. I know most of my users don’t. But it’s still
> an option with Win8.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
>
> MIS Department
>
> Taylor County School District
>
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2012 5:37 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> It’s a bit of a mess with a keyboard and mouse.  Nothing is obvious and
> the concept of an app taking the full screen is a waste of real estate on
> large monitors.
>
> ** **
>
> No Start Menu is a mistake.  I think it looks great for tablets and touch
> devices but it doesn’t work for a desktop.
>
> ** **
>
> It isn’t “windows” anymore.  It’s WINDOW.
>
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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Dan Bartley]

I have to say my initial reaction is good for tabs. Like John, I can't
wait to see some of the new tablets. 

 

As for Enterprise, I don't see Win8 making its mark if it stays the
current course. In fact I have a feeling it will go the way of Vista in
the Enterprise. It is too limiting and non-intuitive. It requires a
complete retraining for users and very few IT people have the time for
that. The CP also lacks some key domain support at the moment, such as
in the printer and file sharing areas, so maybe next version I will
change my mind. Then again, they really ditched the enterprise in
Windows Phone in my opinion, so maybe they won't improve on that.

 

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley




 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 14:33
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

With tablets and touch devices growing by leaps and bounds, I can't
fault Microsoft for tailoring its latest OS to them. I'm really excited
about Win8 tablets-can't wait to see them on the market.

 

For traditional PCs, the desktop is still there, and apps can still be
scaled so that multiple apps fit on the screen (assuming the app isn't a
solely metro app, of course). I suspect that Microsoft has done their
research on this, and found that many people don't run multiple apps on
the same screen at the same time. I know most of my users don't. But
it's still an option with Win8.

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 5:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

It's a bit of a mess with a keyboard and mouse.  Nothing is obvious and
the concept of an app taking the full screen is a waste of real estate
on large monitors.

 

No Start Menu is a mistake.  I think it looks great for tablets and
touch devices but it doesn't work for a desktop.

 

It isn't "windows" anymore.  It's WINDOW.

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Steven Peck]

I am already seeing mainstream ads or it.  I am also seeing product
placement on some shows after the oscars more visibly.  They have the new
'Smoked by Windows Phone' web ads coming out and soon will have them on
TV.  So yes, finally ads.  Also, Nokia is putting in funding for retail
sales.  Currently most of this is outside the US but T-Mobile has the TV
ads now and ATT will soon have retail incentives as well.  Coupled with a
Zune passm, it pretty solidly fills my needs.

I suspect one reason you are not seeing a lot of information on WP8 is MS
doesn't wish to distract from Nokia's ad campaigns or discussion of Windows
8 at his time.

Steven Peck
http://www.blkmtn.org



On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:20 AM, John Hornbuckle <
john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us> wrote:

> The reason WP7 doesn’t have more marketshare has less to do with its
> design than with the fact that marketing for it stinks. Nobody has heard of
> it. I suspect that with some of the new phones coming out (e.g., the Lumia
> 900), that will change.
>
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> I’m not saying WP7 is for everyone. But it’s absolutely a solid platform,
> it’s easy to use, and it’s refreshingly different from iOS and Android.***
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> John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
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> *From:* Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2012 12:34 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> I’m still not getting it and I’ve been playing with it a while.
>
> ** **
>
> Why take a failed mobile OS and make it a desktop OS?  I mean, sure, I see
> the logic because it **could** help bolster poor mobile device sales, but…
> 
>
> ** **
>
> The interface reminds me of the Partridge Family bus.
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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[John Hornbuckle]

With tablets and touch devices growing by leaps and bounds, I can't fault 
Microsoft for tailoring its latest OS to them. I'm really excited about Win8 
tablets-can't wait to see them on the market.

For traditional PCs, the desktop is still there, and apps can still be scaled 
so that multiple apps fit on the screen (assuming the app isn't a solely metro 
app, of course). I suspect that Microsoft has done their research on this, and 
found that many people don't run multiple apps on the same screen at the same 
time. I know most of my users don't. But it's still an option with Win8.



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
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From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 5:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

It's a bit of a mess with a keyboard and mouse.  Nothing is obvious and the 
concept of an app taking the full screen is a waste of real estate on large 
monitors.

No Start Menu is a mistake.  I think it looks great for tablets and touch 
devices but it doesn't work for a desktop.

It isn't "windows" anymore.  It's WINDOW.

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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[John Hornbuckle]

The reason WP7 doesn't have more marketshare has less to do with its design 
than with the fact that marketing for it stinks. Nobody has heard of it. I 
suspect that with some of the new phones coming out (e.g., the Lumia 900), that 
will change.

I'm not saying WP7 is for everyone. But it's absolutely a solid platform, it's 
easy to use, and it's refreshingly different from iOS and Android.



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us





From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 12:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

I'm still not getting it and I've been playing with it a while.

Why take a failed mobile OS and make it a desktop OS?  I mean, sure, I see the 
logic because it *could* help bolster poor mobile device sales, but...

The interface reminds me of the Partridge Family bus.

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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Alan Davies]

Rob, why do you think it's in any way related to a "failed mobile OS"!?
Either mis-informed about history, or iChip on shoulder about WP7, but
either way about as useful as saying "M$" everytime you refer to them ..
and plain wrong IMHO (not commenting on the new interface, just its
origins).
 
 
 
a



From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: 02 March 2012 17:34
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?



I'm still not getting it and I've been playing with it a while.

 

Why take a failed mobile OS and make it a desktop OS?  I mean, sure, I
see the logic because it *could* help bolster poor mobile device sales,
but...

 

The interface reminds me of the Partridge Family bus.

 

 



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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Ken Schaefer]

For (a) you can "swipe up" on the start screen to get access to all 
applications (including admin tools). I can't find an easy way to get access to 
Control Panel except from the Explorer ribbon bar. You can always just start 
typing for your app name on the Start screen (same as clicking "Orb" in Win 7 
and typing an app name). However how you're supposed to do that on a tablet I'm 
not sure. I ended up pinning the "Onscreen keyboard" to my start screen apps

For (b) there's Powershell...

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From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2012 5:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

Bottom line: They've changed around the interface again, and hidden all my 
tools. They seem to take as their baseline for UI design someone who's never 
seen a computer before, and see what works for them. Stuipd, IMHO.

Ah, well, as long as I can attach a keyboard and get to a command prompt that 
has reasonable power and is reasonably well documented, I'll be able to 
reconcile myself to it.

Kurt

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Jon Harris]

Thanks I was not aware they had put that beta our there yet.

Jon

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:22 PM, James Hill  wrote:

> I didn’t bother with the Dev Preview all that much but I have installed
> the CP and spent about an hour with it so far.  I’m running it on a desktop
> PC so I can’t comment on the touch side of things.  But so far it is quite
> slick.  Very different of course but I think the general public will like
> it.
>
> ** **
>
> I’ll force myself to use Metro as much as possible as I have done with
> various changes to the Start menu/control panel etc over the years.  I
> usually find that I end up liking the new interface.
>
> ** **
>
> Later today I hope to start playing around with Win 8 Server.
>
> ** **
>
> Link for those that don’t already have it :-
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/iso
>
> ** **
>
> James.
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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Mike Hoffman]

We had the developer preview on some machines and on one tablet performance is 
actually worse on the Consumer Preview. Once you realise that you should be 
putting all those Start Menu items on the Task Bar then you never really need 
the start menu itself - but I miss that bit of thinking time you get when you 
click on the orb and then look to see where to go next. If you think "Click on 
Start, Type 'Wo', press Enter for Word" then that still works using the 
keyboard. There will be a major training need, but I'm sure 20 minutes practice 
should get most people adjusted.

I really do hope they get rid of the colour scheme, after-all if someone is 
going to buy a £1500 ultrabook with a touch screen then they want at least some 
vibrant colours on it. At one point this afternoon I had 4 machines in front of 
me - XP, Vista, 7 and 8 - now that was confusing. It sort-of reminds me of OS/2 
Warp.

Mike

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: 02 March 2012 17:34
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

I'm still not getting it and I've been playing with it a while.

Why take a failed mobile OS and make it a desktop OS?  I mean, sure, I see the 
logic because it *could* help bolster poor mobile device sales, but...

The interface reminds me of the Partridge Family bus.

From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:falc...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 5:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

I didn't bother with the Dev Preview all that much but I have installed the CP 
and spent about an hour with it so far.  I'm running it on a desktop PC so I 
can't comment on the touch side of things.  But so far it is quite slick.  Very 
different of course but I think the general public will like it.

I'll force myself to use Metro as much as possible as I have done with various 
changes to the Start menu/control panel etc over the years.  I usually find 
that I end up liking the new interface.

Later today I hope to start playing around with Win 8 Server.

Link for those that don't already have it :- 
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/iso

James.



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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Kurt Buff]

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 14:22, James Hill  wrote:
> I didn’t bother with the Dev Preview all that much but I have installed the
> CP and spent about an hour with it so far.  I’m running it on a desktop PC
> so I can’t comment on the touch side of things.  But so far it is quite
> slick.  Very different of course but I think the general public will like
> it.
>
> I’ll force myself to use Metro as much as possible as I have done with
> various changes to the Start menu/control panel etc over the years.  I
> usually find that I end up liking the new interface.
>
> Later today I hope to start playing around with Win 8 Server.
>
> Link for those that don’t already have it :-
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/iso
>
> James.

When the pundits (NYTimes and various trade rags) start gushing about
how cool it is, I get skeptical.

Server 8 sounds like it has some definite improvements, however. I
will have to try that, for sure.

Bottom line: They've changed around the interface again, and hidden
all my tools. They seem to take as their baseline for UI design
someone who's never seen a computer before, and see what works for
them. Stuipd, IMHO.

Ah, well, as long as I can attach a keyboard and get to a command
prompt that has reasonable power and is reasonably well documented,
I'll be able to reconcile myself to it.

Kurt

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RE: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[Rod Trent]

I'm still not getting it and I've been playing with it a while.

 

Why take a failed mobile OS and make it a desktop OS?  I mean, sure, I see
the logic because it *could* help bolster poor mobile device sales, but.

 

The interface reminds me of the Partridge Family bus.

 

From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 5:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

 

I didn't bother with the Dev Preview all that much but I have installed the
CP and spent about an hour with it so far.  I'm running it on a desktop PC
so I can't comment on the touch side of things.  But so far it is quite
slick.  Very different of course but I think the general public will like
it.

 

I'll force myself to use Metro as much as possible as I have done with
various changes to the Start menu/control panel etc over the years.  I
usually find that I end up liking the new interface.

 

Later today I hope to start playing around with Win 8 Server.

 

Link for those that don't already have it :-
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/iso

 

James.

 

 

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Re: Win 8 CP - Initial thoughts?

[S Powell]

I played with the Dev preview, and thought it sucked beyond Vista,
then I tried using a trackpad, and it makes a huge difference.

only played with the beta for a hour or so, but when in desktop mode
the lack of an _obvious_ start button is just wrong.

metro ... I hate it.  it looks  wrong to me. YMMV

the login with your windows ID is great, allowing you to access your
skydrive. but there are things that have changed that are going to
take a while to get used to.




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On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 14:22, James Hill  wrote:
> I didn’t bother with the Dev Preview all that much but I have installed the
> CP and spent about an hour with it so far.  I’m running it on a desktop PC
> so I can’t comment on the touch side of things.  But so far it is quite
> slick.  Very different of course but I think the general public will like
> it.
>
>
>
> I’ll force myself to use Metro as much as possible as I have done with
> various changes to the Start menu/control panel etc over the years.  I
> usually find that I end up liking the new interface.
>
>
>
> Later today I hope to start playing around with Win 8 Server.
>
>
>
> Link for those that don’t already have it :-
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/iso
>
>
>
> James.
>
>
>
>
>
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