RE: FDA Approved remote access software

[Ziots, Edward]

+1 on the shield comment. 

 

I caught one in a bold faced lie about how they claim their systems
can't be patched or that AV can't be applied to them except in batches
after approval. 

 

When you show them what they have to comply with by HIPAA and where
their solution fails to meet the mandate then things start to change
when they know they aren't going to make a sale or going to get a hard
time with their current implementations. 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network +

Security Engineer

Lifespan Organization

ezi...@lifespan.org

 

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 3:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: FDA Approved remote access software

 

So really, is it a local company policy, or an application vender policy
or is it a REAL regulation/policy.  Sometimes this type of stuff gets
'made up' or mistaken early on then becomes institutional lore which can
be insanely hard to root out.  We've had things where I work develop
like that into 'unchanging fact' over time.  

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Osborne, Richard
 wrote:

I've worked in health care for 12 years and have never heard of Axeda.
Our vendors use RDP or some flavor of WebEx/GoToMyPC.  It sounds like
the vendor of the surgical equipment is saying they need to use Axeda.
FDA approval is a shield many medical vendors hide behind to only
support what they're used to.  We have one who just decided to support
XP SP3 a few months ago.

 

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:44 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: FDA Approved remote access software

 

My understanding is that since these medical devices contain patient
data and that data is downloaded for the diag session, the software
being used for the remote session and transfer must be FDA approved.  Or
it may be because the software is accessing and making changes to
medical equipment that it needs to be FDA approved.  All I know is that
the end-users think the software is a royal PITA and would like to see
if there is anything else out there.

 

Thanks

 

 

Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/> 

 

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] 
Subject: RE: FDA Approved remote access software

 

Defintely have not seen that product in a medical setting. Mostly people
are using some flavor of VNC or otherwise. 

 

Z

 

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Subject: FDA Approved remote access software

 

Does anyone here in the medical world use the Axeda products to connect
to customer's equipment and or databases (Machine-to-Machine FDA
approved connections and transfers)?

 

http://www.axeda.com/

 

Specifically any of these products:

 

Axeda Builder

Axeda Connector

Axeda Deployment

Axeda Desktop Server

Axeda Discovery Agent

 

One of the projects I am working on uses these products and they are
very unreliable.  The customer's support people who have to connect to
medical equipment using this software say the software constantly locks
up, crashes and drops connections.  Obviously not a good thing when you
are trying to do a remote diagnostic of very expensive surgical
equipment and every minute lost could affect a patient's life.

 

I am trying to locate other software of this type and I have never been
exposed to this type of software.  Searching on "machine to machine fda
approved remote access software" returns lots of non-relevant hits.  Not
exactly sure what my search terms should be. 

 

If any of you use this type of software I would appreciate any info on
other software of this type.

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Re: FDA Approved remote access software

[Steven Peck]

So really, is it a local company policy, or an application vender policy or
is it a REAL regulation/policy.  Sometimes this type of stuff gets 'made
up' or mistaken early on then becomes institutional lore which can be
insanely hard to root out.  We've had things where I work develop like that
into 'unchanging fact' over time.

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Osborne, Richard
wrote:

> I’ve worked in health care for 12 years and have never heard of Axeda.
> Our vendors use RDP or some flavor of WebEx/GoToMyPC.  It sounds like the
> vendor of the surgical equipment is saying they need to use Axeda.  FDA
> approval is a shield many medical vendors hide behind to only support what
> they’re used to.  We have one who just decided to support XP SP3 a few
> months ago.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:44 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: FDA Approved remote access software
>
> ** **
>
> My understanding is that since these medical devices contain patient data
> and that data is downloaded for the diag session, the software being used
> for the remote session and transfer must be FDA approved.  Or it may be
> because the software is accessing and making changes to medical equipment
> that it needs to be FDA approved.  All I know is that the end-users think
> the software is a royal PITA and would like to see if there is anything
> else out there.
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org ]
> *Subject:* RE: FDA Approved remote access software
>
> ** **
>
> Defintely have not seen that product in a medical setting. Mostly people
> are using some flavor of VNC or otherwise. 
>
> ** **
>
> Z
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
> *Subject:* FDA Approved remote access software
>
> ** **
>
> Does anyone here in the medical world use the Axeda products to connect to
> customer’s equipment and or databases (Machine-to-Machine FDA approved
> connections and transfers)?
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.axeda.com/
>
> ** **
>
> Specifically any of these products:
>
> ** **
>
> Axeda Builder
>
> Axeda Connector
>
> Axeda Deployment
>
> Axeda Desktop Server
>
> Axeda Discovery Agent
>
> ** **
>
> One of the projects I am working on uses these products and they are very
> unreliable.  The customer’s support people who have to connect to medical
> equipment using this software say the software constantly locks up, crashes
> and drops connections.  Obviously not a good thing when you are trying to
> do a remote diagnostic of very expensive surgical equipment and every
> minute lost could affect a patient’s life.
>
> ** **
>
> I am trying to locate other software of this type and I have never been
> exposed to this type of software.  Searching on “machine to machine fda
> approved remote access software” returns lots of non-relevant hits.  Not
> exactly sure what my search terms should be. 
>
> ** **
>
> If any of you use this type of software I would appreciate any info on
> other software of this type.
>
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RE: Solution For Remote Access

[Webster]

I thought Java was 2-bit? :)


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
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> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:21 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Solution For Remote Access
> 
> Yes - and BTW, the EX6000 and its larger kin support Macs, Windows,
> Android, and may by now also support iOS.
> 
> One thing to note: If the client is Windows 64bit, you'll probably need to
> install both the 32bit and 64bit versions of Java.

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Re: Solution For Remote Access

[Kurt Buff]

Yes - and BTW, the EX6000 and its larger kin support Macs, Windows,
Android, and may by now also support iOS.

One thing to note: If the client is Windows 64bit, you'll probably
need to install both the 32bit and 64bit versions of Java.

Kurt

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:22 PM, Matthew W. Ross
 wrote:
> They have a Java based solution?
>
> I know about the Barracuda model because Barracuda bought up the company that 
> was making the open source version of the same software (ssl-explorer by 3SP 
> Ltd).
>
> Good to see additional options.
>
>
>
> Jonathan Link  wrote:
>
> FYI Sonicswall's do this, too.
>
> On Tuesday, May 22, 2012, James Kerr wrote:
>
>> I will be giving them a call tomorrow! Thanks for that info.
>>
>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Matthew W. Ross 
>> > 'mr...@ephrataschools.org');>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Check out the SSL-VPN appliance from Barracuda. It can forward a RPD
>>> session over a forwarded port, using Java. So all your end users will need
>>> is Java. It works for us for Windows and Mac OS X.
>>>
>>>
>>> --Matt Ross
>>> Ephrata School District
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: James Kerr
>>> [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com >> 'cluster...@gmail.com');>]
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com >> 'ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com');>]
>>> Sent: Tue, 22 May 2012
>>> 10:38:29 -0700
>>> Subject: Solution For Remote Access
>>>
>>>
>>> > Heh all,
>>> >
>>> > We are curently looking for a way to access our RDP app servers remotely
>>> > though a browser. We tried setting up an RDP gateway with a session
>>> broker
>>> > and server farm and could not get it to work externally, we can reach
>>> the
>>> > site but when we try to launch the remote app we basically seem not to
>>> be
>>> > able to reach the RDP servers. We have pretty much given up hope on
>>> getting
>>> > this thing going without utuilizing VPN. We can't use VPN, we need to
>>> give
>>> > our doctors access to our health records remotely from any computer
>>> through
>>> > a browser, this includes Macs. I'm thinking that Citrix is my solution
>>> but
>>> > I don't think the company is going to pony up the kind of cash needed
>>> for
>>> > the software and training needed for occasional connections off hours.
>>> > Maybe we will just have to tell management the doc on call has to take a
>>> > notebook netbook with them while they are on call and that's the
>>> solution,
>>> > that or $Citrix$. I'm kind of just venting here but if anyone wants to
>>> > chime in with some advice, I'm all ears. :-)
>>> >
>>> > James
>>> >
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Re: Solution For Remote Access

[Kurt Buff]

Indeed, and they have (or had, it's been a while since I looked) a
broad range of products for this space - we have 4 units, of which
three are pretty tiny and approaching EOL (Sonicwall 200 and Sonicwall
2000), and the fourth we purchased about a year ago (Aventail EX6000)
and is extremely capable, and we're pretty happy with it - with one
minor niggle...

To wit, if your policies dictate that a client making a VPN connection
must have an AV package installed (and you can choose any of a large
number of recognized products - very nice), and that AV package gets
upgraded to a newer version of that AV package than the EX6000
recognizes, then you have to

 a) wait for the newest version of the EX6000 software to come out
and recognize it

and/or

 b) work around the problem by merely looking at processes running
in memory by name, and hope that malware isn't spoofing the name of
your chosen AV package.

We ran into this when upgrading both VIPRE and MSE recently - I'm
guessing that the client software normally runs some sort of hash
against the executable to recognize it, unless you've just said
"accept if MBAMSVC is attached to a process running in memory".

It's a bit of a PITA, I must say - I think they should decouple AV
package recognition from their OS upgrades and publish those more
regularly.

Kurt

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Jonathan Link  wrote:
> FYI Sonicswall's do this, too.
>
> On Tuesday, May 22, 2012, James Kerr wrote:
>>
>> I will be giving them a call tomorrow! Thanks for that info.
>>
>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Matthew W. Ross
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Check out the SSL-VPN appliance from Barracuda. It can forward a RPD
>>> session over a forwarded port, using Java. So all your end users will need
>>> is Java. It works for us for Windows and Mac OS X.
>>>
>>>
>>> --Matt Ross
>>> Ephrata School District
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: James Kerr
>>> [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
>>> Sent: Tue, 22 May 2012
>>> 10:38:29 -0700
>>> Subject: Solution For Remote Access
>>>
>>>
>>> > Heh all,
>>> >
>>> > We are curently looking for a way to access our RDP app servers
>>> > remotely
>>> > though a browser. We tried setting up an RDP gateway with a session
>>> > broker
>>> > and server farm and could not get it to work externally, we can reach
>>> > the
>>> > site but when we try to launch the remote app we basically seem not to
>>> > be
>>> > able to reach the RDP servers. We have pretty much given up hope on
>>> > getting
>>> > this thing going without utuilizing VPN. We can't use VPN, we need to
>>> > give
>>> > our doctors access to our health records remotely from any computer
>>> > through
>>> > a browser, this includes Macs. I'm thinking that Citrix is my solution
>>> > but
>>> > I don't think the company is going to pony up the kind of cash needed
>>> > for
>>> > the software and training needed for occasional connections off hours.
>>> > Maybe we will just have to tell management the doc on call has to take
>>> > a
>>> > notebook netbook with them while they are on call and that's the
>>> > solution,
>>> > that or $Citrix$. I'm kind of just venting here but if anyone wants to
>>> > chime in with some advice, I'm all ears. :-)
>>> >
>>> > James
>>> >
>>> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>>> >
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Re: Solution For Remote Access

[Jonathan Link]

On the firewalls they only support two concurrent sessions, or at least on
my firewall device.
I have a SonicWall SSL-VPN device that predated it.  If you expect multiple
concurrent sessions, I think this is still your best bet.

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 8:50 AM, James Kerr  wrote:

> Really? Maybe I can kill two birds with one stone since I want to get rid
> of our fireboxes anyway. Going to give them a buzz also. Thanks.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Jonathan Link 
> wrote:
>
>> FYI Sonicswall's do this, too.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 22, 2012, James Kerr wrote:
>>
>>> I will be giving them a call tomorrow! Thanks for that info.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Matthew W. Ross <
>>> mr...@ephrataschools.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Check out the SSL-VPN appliance from Barracuda. It can forward a RPD
>>>> session over a forwarded port, using Java. So all your end users will need
>>>> is Java. It works for us for Windows and Mac OS X.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --Matt Ross
>>>> Ephrata School District
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: James Kerr
>>>> [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>>> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
>>>> Sent: Tue, 22 May 2012
>>>> 10:38:29 -0700
>>>> Subject: Solution For Remote Access
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Heh all,
>>>> >
>>>> > We are curently looking for a way to access our RDP app servers
>>>> remotely
>>>> > though a browser. We tried setting up an RDP gateway with a session
>>>> broker
>>>> > and server farm and could not get it to work externally, we can reach
>>>> the
>>>> > site but when we try to launch the remote app we basically seem not
>>>> to be
>>>> > able to reach the RDP servers. We have pretty much given up hope on
>>>> getting
>>>> > this thing going without utuilizing VPN. We can't use VPN, we need to
>>>> give
>>>> > our doctors access to our health records remotely from any computer
>>>> through
>>>> > a browser, this includes Macs. I'm thinking that Citrix is my
>>>> solution but
>>>> > I don't think the company is going to pony up the kind of cash needed
>>>> for
>>>> > the software and training needed for occasional connections off hours.
>>>> > Maybe we will just have to tell management the doc on call has to
>>>> take a
>>>> > notebook netbook with them while they are on call and that's the
>>>> solution,
>>>> > that or $Citrix$. I'm kind of just venting here but if anyone wants to
>>>> > chime in with some advice, I'm all ears. :-)
>>>> >
>>>> > James
>>>> >
>>>> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>>> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>>>> >
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Re: Solution For Remote Access

[James Kerr]

That's correct, works fine from inside the network, works fine if you
connect externally with VPN.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:23 PM, David Lum  wrote:

> So RDWeb works internally but not externally?
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:08 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Solution For Remote Access
>
> ** **
>
> The RDG and SHs are all behind the firewall. We can access the gateway via
> RDWeb but when we click on one of the remote app icons that should take us
> to the SH, it can't connect, the ports for RDP are open. It almost seems
> like the RD session is trying to connect to the server name but since its
> not part of the network it doesn't know how to find it. Anyway, I'm not
> sure if this will work even if I get it working in IE with Windows due to
> the Mac issue though I do see there is a RDP client for Mac, that Barracuda
> sounds like it might work, I'm going to look into that. 
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:01 PM, David Lum  wrote:
>
> I access my RDS servers via RDS gateway and RDWeb web site from home w/out
> VPN. What ports do you have open between the RDWeb server and the RDSH
> servers? Your DMZ config will matter – do you have a firewall in front and
> behind the RDWeb server?
>
>  
>
> Dave
>
>  
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:38 AM
> 
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Solution For Remote Access
>
>  
>
> Heh all,
>
> We are curently looking for a way to access our RDP app servers remotely
> though a browser. We tried setting up an RDP gateway with a session broker
> and server farm and could not get it to work externally, we can reach the
> site but when we try to launch the remote app we basically seem not to be
> able to reach the RDP servers. We have pretty much given up hope on getting
> this thing going without utuilizing VPN. We can't use VPN, we need to give
> our doctors access to our health records remotely from any computer through
> a browser, this includes Macs. I'm thinking that Citrix is my solution but
> I don't think the company is going to pony up the kind of cash needed for
> the software and training needed for occasional connections off hours.
> Maybe we will just have to tell management the doc on call has to take a
> notebook netbook with them while they are on call and that's the solution,
> that or $Citrix$. I'm kind of just venting here but if anyone wants to
> chime in with some advice, I'm all ears. :-)
>
> James
>
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Re: Solution For Remote Access

[James Kerr]

Really? Maybe I can kill two birds with one stone since I want to get rid
of our fireboxes anyway. Going to give them a buzz also. Thanks.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:

> FYI Sonicswall's do this, too.
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 22, 2012, James Kerr wrote:
>
>> I will be giving them a call tomorrow! Thanks for that info.
>>
>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Matthew W. Ross <
>> mr...@ephrataschools.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Check out the SSL-VPN appliance from Barracuda. It can forward a RPD
>>> session over a forwarded port, using Java. So all your end users will need
>>> is Java. It works for us for Windows and Mac OS X.
>>>
>>>
>>> --Matt Ross
>>> Ephrata School District
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: James Kerr
>>> [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
>>> Sent: Tue, 22 May 2012
>>> 10:38:29 -0700
>>> Subject: Solution For Remote Access
>>>
>>>
>>> > Heh all,
>>> >
>>> > We are curently looking for a way to access our RDP app servers
>>> remotely
>>> > though a browser. We tried setting up an RDP gateway with a session
>>> broker
>>> > and server farm and could not get it to work externally, we can reach
>>> the
>>> > site but when we try to launch the remote app we basically seem not to
>>> be
>>> > able to reach the RDP servers. We have pretty much given up hope on
>>> getting
>>> > this thing going without utuilizing VPN. We can't use VPN, we need to
>>> give
>>> > our doctors access to our health records remotely from any computer
>>> through
>>> > a browser, this includes Macs. I'm thinking that Citrix is my solution
>>> but
>>> > I don't think the company is going to pony up the kind of cash needed
>>> for
>>> > the software and training needed for occasional connections off hours.
>>> > Maybe we will just have to tell management the doc on call has to take
>>> a
>>> > notebook netbook with them while they are on call and that's the
>>> solution,
>>> > that or $Citrix$. I'm kind of just venting here but if anyone wants to
>>> > chime in with some advice, I'm all ears. :-)
>>> >
>>> > James
>>> >
>>> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>>> >
>>> > ---
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>>> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Re: Solution For Remote Access

[Jonathan Link]

Same for the cudas, no?

On Wednesday, May 23, 2012, Ziots, Edward wrote:

> Ouch Java bases solution, comfort, you going to be upgrading Java a lot to
> stay current with the security holes in that thing… 
>
> ** **
>
> Z
>
> ** **
>
> Edward Ziots
>
> CISSP, Security +, Network +
>
> Security Engineer
>
> Lifespan Organization
>
> ezi...@lifespan.org ***
> *
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com  'cvml', 'jonathan.l...@gmail.com');>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 23, 2012 6:39 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Solution For Remote Access
>
> ** **
>
> Yes.
>
> On Wednesday, May 23, 2012, Matthew W. Ross wrote:
>
> They have a Java based solution?
>
> I know about the Barracuda model because Barracuda bought up the company
> that was making the open source version of the same software (ssl-explorer
> by 3SP Ltd).
>
> Good to see additional options.
>
>
>
> Jonathan Link  wrote:
>
> FYI Sonicswall's do this, too.
>
> On Tuesday, May 22, 2012, James Kerr wrote:
>
> > I will be giving them a call tomorrow! Thanks for that info.
> >
> > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Matthew W. Ross <
> mr...@ephrataschools.org mr...@ephrataschools.org');>
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Check out the SSL-VPN appliance from Barracuda. It can forward a RPD
> >> session over a forwarded port, using Java. So all your end users will
> need
> >> is Java. It works for us for Windows and Mac OS X.
> >>
> >>
> >> --Matt Ross
> >> Ephrata School District
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: James Kerr
> >> [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com  >> 'cluster...@gmail.com');>]
> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com  'cvml',
> >> 'ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com');>]
> >> Sent: Tue, 22 May 2012
> >> 10:38:29 -0700
> >> Subject: Solution For Remote Access
> >>
> >>
> >> > Heh all,
> >> >
> >> > We are curently looking for a way to access our RDP app servers
> remotely
> >> > though a browser. We tried setting up an RDP gateway with a session
> >> broker
> >> > and server farm and could not get it to work externally, we can reach
> >> the
> >> > site but when we try to launch the remote app we basically seem not to
> >> be
> >> > able to reach the RDP servers. We have pretty much given up hope on
> >> getting
> >> > this thing going without utuilizing VPN. We can't use VPN, we need to
> >> give
> >> > our doctors access to our health records remotely from any computer
> >> through
> >> > a browser, this includes Macs. I'm thinking that Citrix is my solution
> >> but
> >> > I don't think the company is going to pony up the kind of cash needed
> >> for
> >> > the software and training needed for occasional connections off hours.
> >> > Maybe we will just have to tell management the doc on call has to
> take a
> >> > notebook netbook with them while they are on call and that's the
> >> solution,
> >> > that or $Citrix$. I'm kind of just venting here but if anyone wants to
> >> > chime in with some advice, I'm all ears. :-)
> >> >
> >> > James
> >> >
> >> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> >> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
> >> >
> >> > ---
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> >>
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RE: Solution For Remote Access

[Ziots, Edward]

Ouch Java bases solution, comfort, you going to be upgrading Java a lot
to stay current with the security holes in that thing... 

 

Z

 

Edward Ziots

CISSP, Security +, Network +

Security Engineer

Lifespan Organization

ezi...@lifespan.org

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 6:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Solution For Remote Access

 

Yes. 

On Wednesday, May 23, 2012, Matthew W. Ross wrote:

They have a Java based solution?

I know about the Barracuda model because Barracuda bought up the company
that was making the open source version of the same software
(ssl-explorer by 3SP Ltd).

Good to see additional options.



Jonathan Link  > wrote:

FYI Sonicswall's do this, too.

On Tuesday, May 22, 2012, James Kerr wrote:

> I will be giving them a call tomorrow! Thanks for that info.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Matthew W. Ross
  ');>
> > wrote:
>
>> Check out the SSL-VPN appliance from Barracuda. It can forward a RPD
>> session over a forwarded port, using Java. So all your end users will
need
>> is Java. It works for us for Windows and Mac OS X.
>>
>>
>> --Matt Ross
>> Ephrata School District
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: James Kerr
>> [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com   > 'cluster...@gmail.com  ');>]
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com 
> 'ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com  ');>]
>> Sent: Tue, 22 May 2012
>> 10:38:29 -0700
>> Subject: Solution For Remote Access
>>
>>
>> > Heh all,
>> >
>> > We are curently looking for a way to access our RDP app servers
remotely
>> > though a browser. We tried setting up an RDP gateway with a session
>> broker
>> > and server farm and could not get it to work externally, we can
reach
>> the
>> > site but when we try to launch the remote app we basically seem not
to
>> be
>> > able to reach the RDP servers. We have pretty much given up hope on
>> getting
>> > this thing going without utuilizing VPN. We can't use VPN, we need
to
>> give
>> > our doctors access to our health records remotely from any computer
>> through
>> > a browser, this includes Macs. I'm thinking that Citrix is my
solution
>> but
>> > I don't think the company is going to pony up the kind of cash
needed
>> for
>> > the software and training needed for occasional connections off
hours.
>> > Maybe we will just have to tell management the doc on call has to
take a
>> > notebook netbook with them while they are on call and that's the
>> solution,
>> > that or $Citrix$. I'm kind of just venting here but if anyone wants
to
>> > chime in with some advice, I'm all ears. :-)
>> >
>> > James
>> >
>> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>> >
>> > ---
>> > To manage subscriptions click here:
>> > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
>> > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
  ');>
>> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
>>
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>>
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  ');>
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Re: Solution For Remote Access

[Jonathan Link]

Yes.

On Wednesday, May 23, 2012, Matthew W. Ross wrote:

> They have a Java based solution?
>
> I know about the Barracuda model because Barracuda bought up the company
> that was making the open source version of the same software (ssl-explorer
> by 3SP Ltd).
>
> Good to see additional options.
>
>
>
> Jonathan Link > wrote:
>
> FYI Sonicswall's do this, too.
>
> On Tuesday, May 22, 2012, James Kerr wrote:
>
> > I will be giving them a call tomorrow! Thanks for that info.
> >
> > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Matthew W. Ross <
> mr...@ephrataschools.org  mr...@ephrataschools.org ');>
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Check out the SSL-VPN appliance from Barracuda. It can forward a RPD
> >> session over a forwarded port, using Java. So all your end users will
> need
> >> is Java. It works for us for Windows and Mac OS X.
> >>
> >>
> >> --Matt Ross
> >> Ephrata School District
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: James Kerr
> >> [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com   >> 'cluster...@gmail.com ');>]
> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com 
> >>  >> 'ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ');>]
> >> Sent: Tue, 22 May 2012
> >> 10:38:29 -0700
> >> Subject: Solution For Remote Access
> >>
> >>
> >> > Heh all,
> >> >
> >> > We are curently looking for a way to access our RDP app servers
> remotely
> >> > though a browser. We tried setting up an RDP gateway with a session
> >> broker
> >> > and server farm and could not get it to work externally, we can reach
> >> the
> >> > site but when we try to launch the remote app we basically seem not to
> >> be
> >> > able to reach the RDP servers. We have pretty much given up hope on
> >> getting
> >> > this thing going without utuilizing VPN. We can't use VPN, we need to
> >> give
> >> > our doctors access to our health records remotely from any computer
> >> through
> >> > a browser, this includes Macs. I'm thinking that Citrix is my solution
> >> but
> >> > I don't think the company is going to pony up the kind of cash needed
> >> for
> >> > the software and training needed for occasional connections off hours.
> >> > Maybe we will just have to tell management the doc on call has to
> take a
> >> > notebook netbook with them while they are on call and that's the
> >> solution,
> >> > that or $Citrix$. I'm kind of just venting here but if anyone wants to
> >> > chime in with some advice, I'm all ears. :-)
> >> >
> >> > James
> >> >
> >> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> >> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
> >> >
> >> > ---
> >> > To manage subscriptions click here:
> >> > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
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> >>
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Re: Solution For Remote Access

[Matthew W. Ross]

They have a Java based solution?

I know about the Barracuda model because Barracuda bought up the company that 
was making the open source version of the same software (ssl-explorer by 3SP 
Ltd).

Good to see additional options.



Jonathan Link  wrote:

FYI Sonicswall's do this, too.

On Tuesday, May 22, 2012, James Kerr wrote:

> I will be giving them a call tomorrow! Thanks for that info.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Matthew W. Ross 
>  'mr...@ephrataschools.org');>
> > wrote:
>
>> Check out the SSL-VPN appliance from Barracuda. It can forward a RPD
>> session over a forwarded port, using Java. So all your end users will need
>> is Java. It works for us for Windows and Mac OS X.
>>
>>
>> --Matt Ross
>> Ephrata School District
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: James Kerr
>> [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com > 'cluster...@gmail.com');>]
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com > 'ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com');>]
>> Sent: Tue, 22 May 2012
>> 10:38:29 -0700
>> Subject: Solution For Remote Access
>>
>>
>> > Heh all,
>> >
>> > We are curently looking for a way to access our RDP app servers remotely
>> > though a browser. We tried setting up an RDP gateway with a session
>> broker
>> > and server farm and could not get it to work externally, we can reach
>> the
>> > site but when we try to launch the remote app we basically seem not to
>> be
>> > able to reach the RDP servers. We have pretty much given up hope on
>> getting
>> > this thing going without utuilizing VPN. We can't use VPN, we need to
>> give
>> > our doctors access to our health records remotely from any computer
>> through
>> > a browser, this includes Macs. I'm thinking that Citrix is my solution
>> but
>> > I don't think the company is going to pony up the kind of cash needed
>> for
>> > the software and training needed for occasional connections off hours.
>> > Maybe we will just have to tell management the doc on call has to take a
>> > notebook netbook with them while they are on call and that's the
>> solution,
>> > that or $Citrix$. I'm kind of just venting here but if anyone wants to
>> > chime in with some advice, I'm all ears. :-)
>> >
>> > James
>> >
>> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>> >
>> > ---
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Re: Solution For Remote Access

[Jonathan Link]

FYI Sonicswall's do this, too.

On Tuesday, May 22, 2012, James Kerr wrote:

> I will be giving them a call tomorrow! Thanks for that info.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Matthew W. Ross 
>  'mr...@ephrataschools.org');>
> > wrote:
>
>> Check out the SSL-VPN appliance from Barracuda. It can forward a RPD
>> session over a forwarded port, using Java. So all your end users will need
>> is Java. It works for us for Windows and Mac OS X.
>>
>>
>> --Matt Ross
>> Ephrata School District
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: James Kerr
>> [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com > 'cluster...@gmail.com');>]
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com > 'ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com');>]
>> Sent: Tue, 22 May 2012
>> 10:38:29 -0700
>> Subject: Solution For Remote Access
>>
>>
>> > Heh all,
>> >
>> > We are curently looking for a way to access our RDP app servers remotely
>> > though a browser. We tried setting up an RDP gateway with a session
>> broker
>> > and server farm and could not get it to work externally, we can reach
>> the
>> > site but when we try to launch the remote app we basically seem not to
>> be
>> > able to reach the RDP servers. We have pretty much given up hope on
>> getting
>> > this thing going without utuilizing VPN. We can't use VPN, we need to
>> give
>> > our doctors access to our health records remotely from any computer
>> through
>> > a browser, this includes Macs. I'm thinking that Citrix is my solution
>> but
>> > I don't think the company is going to pony up the kind of cash needed
>> for
>> > the software and training needed for occasional connections off hours.
>> > Maybe we will just have to tell management the doc on call has to take a
>> > notebook netbook with them while they are on call and that's the
>> solution,
>> > that or $Citrix$. I'm kind of just venting here but if anyone wants to
>> > chime in with some advice, I'm all ears. :-)
>> >
>> > James
>> >
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>> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
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Re: Solution For Remote Access

[justino garcia]

What about using VDI in a box From Citirx...

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:23 PM, David Lum  wrote:

>  So RDWeb works internally but not externally?
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:08 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Solution For Remote Access
>
>  ** **
>
> The RDG and SHs are all behind the firewall. We can access the gateway via
> RDWeb but when we click on one of the remote app icons that should take us
> to the SH, it can't connect, the ports for RDP are open. It almost seems
> like the RD session is trying to connect to the server name but since its
> not part of the network it doesn't know how to find it. Anyway, I'm not
> sure if this will work even if I get it working in IE with Windows due to
> the Mac issue though I do see there is a RDP client for Mac, that Barracuda
> sounds like it might work, I'm going to look into that. 
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:01 PM, David Lum  wrote:
>
> I access my RDS servers via RDS gateway and RDWeb web site from home w/out
> VPN. What ports do you have open between the RDWeb server and the RDSH
> servers? Your DMZ config will matter – do you have a firewall in front and
> behind the RDWeb server?
>
>  
>
> Dave
>
>  
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:38 AM
> 
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
>  *Subject:* Solution For Remote Access
>
>  
>
> Heh all,
>
> We are curently looking for a way to access our RDP app servers remotely
> though a browser. We tried setting up an RDP gateway with a session broker
> and server farm and could not get it to work externally, we can reach the
> site but when we try to launch the remote app we basically seem not to be
> able to reach the RDP servers. We have pretty much given up hope on getting
> this thing going without utuilizing VPN. We can't use VPN, we need to give
> our doctors access to our health records remotely from any computer through
> a browser, this includes Macs. I'm thinking that Citrix is my solution but
> I don't think the company is going to pony up the kind of cash needed for
> the software and training needed for occasional connections off hours.
> Maybe we will just have to tell management the doc on call has to take a
> notebook netbook with them while they are on call and that's the solution,
> that or $Citrix$. I'm kind of just venting here but if anyone wants to
> chime in with some advice, I'm all ears. :-)
>
> James
>
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RE: Solution For Remote Access

[David Lum]

So RDWeb works internally but not externally?

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Solution For Remote Access

The RDG and SHs are all behind the firewall. We can access the gateway via 
RDWeb but when we click on one of the remote app icons that should take us to 
the SH, it can't connect, the ports for RDP are open. It almost seems like the 
RD session is trying to connect to the server name but since its not part of 
the network it doesn't know how to find it. Anyway, I'm not sure if this will 
work even if I get it working in IE with Windows due to the Mac issue though I 
do see there is a RDP client for Mac, that Barracuda sounds like it might work, 
I'm going to look into that.
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:01 PM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
I access my RDS servers via RDS gateway and RDWeb web site from home w/out VPN. 
What ports do you have open between the RDWeb server and the RDSH servers? Your 
DMZ config will matter - do you have a firewall in front and behind the RDWeb 
server?

Dave

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com<mailto:cluster...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:38 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Solution For Remote Access

Heh all,

We are curently looking for a way to access our RDP app servers remotely though 
a browser. We tried setting up an RDP gateway with a session broker and server 
farm and could not get it to work externally, we can reach the site but when we 
try to launch the remote app we basically seem not to be able to reach the RDP 
servers. We have pretty much given up hope on getting this thing going without 
utuilizing VPN. We can't use VPN, we need to give our doctors access to our 
health records remotely from any computer through a browser, this includes 
Macs. I'm thinking that Citrix is my solution but I don't think the company is 
going to pony up the kind of cash needed for the software and training needed 
for occasional connections off hours. Maybe we will just have to tell 
management the doc on call has to take a notebook netbook with them while they 
are on call and that's the solution, that or $Citrix$. I'm kind of just venting 
here but if anyone wants to chime in with some advice, I'm all ears. :-)

James

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Re: Solution For Remote Access

[James Kerr]

I will be giving them a call tomorrow! Thanks for that info.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Matthew W. Ross
wrote:

> Check out the SSL-VPN appliance from Barracuda. It can forward a RPD
> session over a forwarded port, using Java. So all your end users will need
> is Java. It works for us for Windows and Mac OS X.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: James Kerr
> [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Tue, 22 May 2012
> 10:38:29 -0700
> Subject: Solution For Remote Access
>
>
> > Heh all,
> >
> > We are curently looking for a way to access our RDP app servers remotely
> > though a browser. We tried setting up an RDP gateway with a session
> broker
> > and server farm and could not get it to work externally, we can reach the
> > site but when we try to launch the remote app we basically seem not to be
> > able to reach the RDP servers. We have pretty much given up hope on
> getting
> > this thing going without utuilizing VPN. We can't use VPN, we need to
> give
> > our doctors access to our health records remotely from any computer
> through
> > a browser, this includes Macs. I'm thinking that Citrix is my solution
> but
> > I don't think the company is going to pony up the kind of cash needed for
> > the software and training needed for occasional connections off hours.
> > Maybe we will just have to tell management the doc on call has to take a
> > notebook netbook with them while they are on call and that's the
> solution,
> > that or $Citrix$. I'm kind of just venting here but if anyone wants to
> > chime in with some advice, I'm all ears. :-)
> >
> > James
> >
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Re: Solution For Remote Access

[James Kerr]

The RDG and SHs are all behind the firewall. We can access the gateway via
RDWeb but when we click on one of the remote app icons that should take us
to the SH, it can't connect, the ports for RDP are open. It almost seems
like the RD session is trying to connect to the server name but since its
not part of the network it doesn't know how to find it. Anyway, I'm not
sure if this will work even if I get it working in IE with Windows due to
the Mac issue though I do see there is a RDP client for Mac, that Barracuda
sounds like it might work, I'm going to look into that.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:01 PM, David Lum  wrote:

> I access my RDS servers via RDS gateway and RDWeb web site from home w/out
> VPN. What ports do you have open between the RDWeb server and the RDSH
> servers? Your DMZ config will matter – do you have a firewall in front and
> behind the RDWeb server?
>
> ** **
>
> Dave
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:38 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Solution For Remote Access
>
> ** **
>
> Heh all,
>
> We are curently looking for a way to access our RDP app servers remotely
> though a browser. We tried setting up an RDP gateway with a session broker
> and server farm and could not get it to work externally, we can reach the
> site but when we try to launch the remote app we basically seem not to be
> able to reach the RDP servers. We have pretty much given up hope on getting
> this thing going without utuilizing VPN. We can't use VPN, we need to give
> our doctors access to our health records remotely from any computer through
> a browser, this includes Macs. I'm thinking that Citrix is my solution but
> I don't think the company is going to pony up the kind of cash needed for
> the software and training needed for occasional connections off hours.
> Maybe we will just have to tell management the doc on call has to take a
> notebook netbook with them while they are on call and that's the solution,
> that or $Citrix$. I'm kind of just venting here but if anyone wants to
> chime in with some advice, I'm all ears. :-)
>
> James
>
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Re: Solution For Remote Access

[Matthew W. Ross]

Check out the SSL-VPN appliance from Barracuda. It can forward a RPD session 
over a forwarded port, using Java. So all your end users will need is Java. It 
works for us for Windows and Mac OS X.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: James Kerr
[mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Tue, 22 May 2012
10:38:29 -0700
Subject: Solution For Remote Access


> Heh all,
> 
> We are curently looking for a way to access our RDP app servers remotely
> though a browser. We tried setting up an RDP gateway with a session broker
> and server farm and could not get it to work externally, we can reach the
> site but when we try to launch the remote app we basically seem not to be
> able to reach the RDP servers. We have pretty much given up hope on getting
> this thing going without utuilizing VPN. We can't use VPN, we need to give
> our doctors access to our health records remotely from any computer through
> a browser, this includes Macs. I'm thinking that Citrix is my solution but
> I don't think the company is going to pony up the kind of cash needed for
> the software and training needed for occasional connections off hours.
> Maybe we will just have to tell management the doc on call has to take a
> notebook netbook with them while they are on call and that's the solution,
> that or $Citrix$. I'm kind of just venting here but if anyone wants to
> chime in with some advice, I'm all ears. :-)
> 
> James
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[Michael B. Smith]

http://itap-mobile.com/desktop/rdp

Sorry. Not a MSFT solution, but a third-party solution. My bad.

From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

David L and I just went through this and I'm sure it doesn't.  I'd love to be 
proven wrong though.  Which version has Gateway support?

From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]<mailto:[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]>
Sent: Saturday, 10 March 2012 7:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

Yes.

From: ntsysadmin 
[mailto:ntsysad...@rccs.org]<mailto:[mailto:ntsysad...@rccs.org]>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 2:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

I haven't checked in a while, did they ever update the Mac client so that a TS 
Gateway can be entered? I couldn't find a solution to that one a few years ago.

Mike

From: Steve Ens 
[mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 11:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

Terminal server is what we use.  It is built in to the Windows client (or 
easily downloaded for a Mac).  Safe. Easy to setup and to manage.
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Rhonda Richardson 
mailto:rrichard...@kcumb.edu>> wrote:

We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access to applications (specifically 
licensed to the desktop) and network resources from home or on the road.  For 
those that have laptops, we plan to provide them with a VPN client to give them 
access to the network, but the majority of the folks wanting access have 
desktop PCs.

How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have laptops?

Thanks.

Rhonda

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RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[James Hill]

David L and I just went through this and I'm sure it doesn't.  I'd love to
be proven wrong though.  Which version has Gateway support?

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 10 March 2012 7:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

 

Yes.

 

From: ntsysadmin [mailto:ntsysad...@rccs.org] 
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 2:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

 

I haven't checked in a while, did they ever update the Mac client so that a
TS Gateway can be entered? I couldn't find a solution to that one a few
years ago.

 

Mike

 

From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 11:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

 

Terminal server is what we use.  It is built in to the Windows client (or
easily downloaded for a Mac).  Safe. Easy to setup and to manage.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Rhonda Richardson 
wrote:

 

We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access to applications
(specifically licensed to the desktop) and network resources from home or on
the road.  For those that have laptops, we plan to provide them with a VPN
client to give them access to the network, but the majority of the folks
wanting access have desktop PCs.

 

How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have
laptops?

 

Thanks.

 

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RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[Michael B. Smith]

Yes.

From: ntsysadmin [mailto:ntsysad...@rccs.org]
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 2:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

I haven't checked in a while, did they ever update the Mac client so that a TS 
Gateway can be entered? I couldn't find a solution to that one a few years ago.

Mike

From: Steve Ens 
[mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 11:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

Terminal server is what we use.  It is built in to the Windows client (or 
easily downloaded for a Mac).  Safe. Easy to setup and to manage.
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Rhonda Richardson 
mailto:rrichard...@kcumb.edu>> wrote:

We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access to applications (specifically 
licensed to the desktop) and network resources from home or on the road.  For 
those that have laptops, we plan to provide them with a VPN client to give them 
access to the network, but the majority of the folks wanting access have 
desktop PCs.

How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have laptops?

Thanks.

Rhonda

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RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[ntsysadmin]

I haven't checked in a while, did they ever update the Mac client so that a TS 
Gateway can be entered? I couldn't find a solution to that one a few years ago.

Mike

From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 11:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

Terminal server is what we use.  It is built in to the Windows client (or 
easily downloaded for a Mac).  Safe. Easy to setup and to manage.
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Rhonda Richardson 
mailto:rrichard...@kcumb.edu>> wrote:

We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access to applications (specifically 
licensed to the desktop) and network resources from home or on the road.  For 
those that have laptops, we plan to provide them with a VPN client to give them 
access to the network, but the majority of the folks wanting access have 
desktop PCs.

How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have laptops?

Thanks.

Rhonda

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RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[David Lum]

Hmm…I will have to investigate this further and see what configurations were 
tested. The Mac I saw tested was indeed in our network, and I personally tested 
Vista and Win7 outside and know of another test WinXP outside (had to enable 
CredSSP).

Thanks for the correction James, in that case iTap mobile looks like the way to 
go.

Dave

From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 6:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

If it worked then the only conclusion I can reach is that the server being 
connected to had direct RDP access available or the Mac was on you internal 
network and didn’t need to go via the RD Gateway.

The Microsoft RDP client for Mac (currently 2.1.1) doesn’t support TS/RD 
Gateway.

I tested your theory by creating a working RDP file on a PC and sent it to a 
Mac.  Doesn’t work.

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]<mailto:[mailto:david@nwea.org]>
Sent: Monday, 5 March 2012 1:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

We got Microsoft’s RDP for Mac client to work just fine. We installed this on 
the Mac and the RDP piece works effortlessly across our RDS Gateway: 
http://www.microsoft.com/mac/remote-desktop-client

Send out the .RDP client to the Mac after installing that and presto – we’re in 
business!

Dave

From: Richard Stovall 
[mailto:rich...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:rich...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 8:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

And it came to pass that Richard finally saw James' earlier link to 
itap-mobile.com...

Thank you, James.  I will check it out.  It looks perfect for a very specific 
use case I have.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Richard Stovall 
mailto:rich...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks.  That has been my experience as well, but I was hoping against hope 
based on James' reply.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Phil Brutsche 
mailto:p...@optimumdata.com>> wrote:
No, there is not.

From: Richard Stovall [rich...@gmail.com<mailto:rich...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 7:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop
Is there a Mac RDP client that works with RDG?
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:39 PM, James Hill 
mailto:falc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Remote Desktop Gateway is an easy solution.  You can then control who can 
access which desktops.
No special client software needed (unless they are using a Mac).

From: Guyer, Donald [mailto:dgu...@che.org<mailto:dgu...@che.org>]
Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2012 5:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

My guess is she meant corp-owned laptops (secure?) and personal desktops (not 
secure?)…but again, I’m ASSuming.

☺

Regards,

Don Guyer
Directory and Messaging Services
Catholic Health East, ITSS

From: Rankin, James R 
[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]<mailto:[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 11:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

Citrix? Why can't desktops use vpn?
Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

From: "Rhonda Richardson" mailto:rrichard...@kcumb.edu>>
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:41:07 -0600
To: NT System Admin 
Issuesmailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Employee Remote Access to Desktop


We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access to applications (specifically 
licensed to the desktop) and network resources from home or on the road.  For 
those that have laptops, we plan to provide them with a VPN client to give them 
access to the network, but the majority of the folks wanting access have 
desktop PCs.

How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have laptops?

Thanks.

Rhonda

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RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[Mark Kelsay]

We also use this device.  Several times in the past 1.5 years I have had to 
reboot it because it got itself into a knot.  Besides that, it has been fine.  
Pretty ease to setup and manage.
Cheers,
Mark


From: Jeff Frantz [mailto:jfra...@itstechnologies.com]
Sent: 02 March 2012 17:30
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

We've been using a Sonicwall SSL-VPN device for about five or six years to 
provide desktop PC access to employees.  It works very well and the cost was 
quite reasonable.  Our employees love being able to work from home.  It appears 
they've renamed the devices but here is a link to the product page:
http://www.sonicwall.com/us/products/Secure_Remote_Access.html
-Jeff
From: Rhonda Richardson [mailto:rrichard...@kcumb.edu]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 9:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Employee Remote Access to Desktop


We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access to applications (specifically 
licensed to the desktop) and network resources from home or on the road.  For 
those that have laptops, we plan to provide them with a VPN client to give them 
access to the network, but the majority of the folks wanting access have 
desktop PCs.

How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have laptops?

Thanks.

Rhonda

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RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[James Hill]

If it worked then the only conclusion I can reach is that the server being 
connected to had direct RDP access available or the Mac was on you internal 
network and didn’t need to go via the RD Gateway.  

 

The Microsoft RDP client for Mac (currently 2.1.1) doesn’t support TS/RD 
Gateway.

 

I tested your theory by creating a working RDP file on a PC and sent it to a 
Mac.  Doesn’t work.

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Monday, 5 March 2012 1:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

 

We got Microsoft’s RDP for Mac client to work just fine. We installed this on 
the Mac and the RDP piece works effortlessly across our RDS Gateway: 
http://www.microsoft.com/mac/remote-desktop-client

 

Send out the .RDP client to the Mac after installing that and presto – we’re in 
business!

 

Dave

 

From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 8:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

 

And it came to pass that Richard finally saw James' earlier link to 
itap-mobile.com...

 

Thank you, James.  I will check it out.  It looks perfect for a very specific 
use case I have.

 

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Richard Stovall  wrote:

Thanks.  That has been my experience as well, but I was hoping against hope 
based on James' reply.

 

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Phil Brutsche  wrote:

No, there is not.

  _  

From: Richard Stovall [rich...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 7:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

Is there a Mac RDP client that works with RDG?

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:39 PM, James Hill  wrote:

Remote Desktop Gateway is an easy solution.  You can then control who can 
access which desktops.

No special client software needed (unless they are using a Mac).

 

From: Guyer, Donald [mailto:dgu...@che.org] 
Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2012 5:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

 

My guess is she meant corp-owned laptops (secure?) and personal desktops (not 
secure?)…but again, I’m ASSuming.

 

J

 

Regards,

 

Don Guyer

Directory and Messaging Services
Catholic Health East, ITSS

 

From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 11:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

 

Citrix? Why can't desktops use vpn?

Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

  _  

From: "Rhonda Richardson"  

Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:41:07 -0600

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 

Subject: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

 

 

We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access to applications (specifically 
licensed to the desktop) and network resources from home or on the road.  For 
those that have laptops, we plan to provide them with a VPN client to give them 
access to the network, but the majority of the folks wanting access have 
desktop PCs.

 

How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have laptops?

 

Thanks.

 

Rhonda

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RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[David Lum]

We got Microsoft’s RDP for Mac client to work just fine. We installed this on 
the Mac and the RDP piece works effortlessly across our RDS Gateway: 
http://www.microsoft.com/mac/remote-desktop-client

Send out the .RDP client to the Mac after installing that and presto – we’re in 
business!

Dave

From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 8:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

And it came to pass that Richard finally saw James' earlier link to 
itap-mobile.com...

Thank you, James.  I will check it out.  It looks perfect for a very specific 
use case I have.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Richard Stovall 
mailto:rich...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks.  That has been my experience as well, but I was hoping against hope 
based on James' reply.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Phil Brutsche 
mailto:p...@optimumdata.com>> wrote:
No, there is not.

From: Richard Stovall [rich...@gmail.com<mailto:rich...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 7:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop
Is there a Mac RDP client that works with RDG?
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:39 PM, James Hill 
mailto:falc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Remote Desktop Gateway is an easy solution.  You can then control who can 
access which desktops.
No special client software needed (unless they are using a Mac).

From: Guyer, Donald [mailto:dgu...@che.org<mailto:dgu...@che.org>]
Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2012 5:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

My guess is she meant corp-owned laptops (secure?) and personal desktops (not 
secure?)…but again, I’m ASSuming.

☺

Regards,

Don Guyer
Directory and Messaging Services
Catholic Health East, ITSS

From: Rankin, James R 
[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]<mailto:[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 11:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

Citrix? Why can't desktops use vpn?
Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

From: "Rhonda Richardson" mailto:rrichard...@kcumb.edu>>
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:41:07 -0600
To: NT System Admin 
Issuesmailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Employee Remote Access to Desktop


We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access to applications (specifically 
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access to the network, but the majority of the folks wanting access have 
desktop PCs.

How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have laptops?

Thanks.

Rhonda

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re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[Juned Shaikh]

Check out the mobikey solution from Route1; www.route1.com 

I have seen DHS folks using this technology. 

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Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[Richard Stovall]

And it came to pass that Richard finally saw James' earlier link to
itap-mobile.com...

Thank you, James.  I will check it out.  It looks perfect for a very
specific use case I have.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Richard Stovall  wrote:

> Thanks.  That has been my experience as well, but I was hoping against
> hope based on James' reply.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Phil Brutsche wrote:
>
>>  No, there is not.
>>
>>  --
>> *From:* Richard Stovall [rich...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2012 7:15 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop
>>
>>  Is there a Mac RDP client that works with RDG?
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:39 PM, James Hill  wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Remote Desktop Gateway is an easy solution.  You can then control who
>>> can access which desktops.
>>>
>>> No special client software needed (unless they are using a Mac).
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* Guyer, Donald [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, 3 March 2012 5:11 AM
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> My guess is she meant corp-owned laptops (secure?) and personal desktops
>>> (not secure?)…but again, I’m ASSuming.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Don Guyer
>>>
>>> Directory and Messaging Services
>>> Catholic Health East, ITSS
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2012 11:15 AM
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Citrix? Why can't desktops use vpn?
>>>
>>> Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird
>>>   --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Rhonda Richardson"  
>>>
>>> *Date: *Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:41:07 -0600
>>>
>>> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>>>
>>> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues" <
>>> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Employee Remote Access to Desktop
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access
>>> to applications (specifically licensed to the desktop) and network
>>> resources from home or on the road.  For those that have laptops, we plan
>>> to provide them with a VPN client to give them access to the network, but
>>> the majority of the folks wanting access have desktop PCs.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have
>>> laptops?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Rhonda
>>>
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Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[Richard Stovall]

Thanks.  That has been my experience as well, but I was hoping against hope
based on James' reply.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Phil Brutsche  wrote:

>  No, there is not.
>
>  --
> *From:* Richard Stovall [rich...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2012 7:15 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop
>
>  Is there a Mac RDP client that works with RDG?
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:39 PM, James Hill  wrote:
>
>> 
>>
>> Remote Desktop Gateway is an easy solution.  You can then control who can
>> access which desktops.
>>
>> No special client software needed (unless they are using a Mac).
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Guyer, Donald [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 3 March 2012 5:11 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> My guess is she meant corp-owned laptops (secure?) and personal desktops
>> (not secure?)…but again, I’m ASSuming.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> J
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Don Guyer
>>
>> Directory and Messaging Services
>> Catholic Health East, ITSS
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2012 11:15 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Citrix? Why can't desktops use vpn?
>>
>> Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird
>>   --
>>
>> *From: *"Rhonda Richardson"  
>>
>> *Date: *Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:41:07 -0600
>>
>> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>>
>> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues" <
>> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
>>
>> *Subject: *Employee Remote Access to Desktop
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>  
>>
>> We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access
>> to applications (specifically licensed to the desktop) and network
>> resources from home or on the road.  For those that have laptops, we plan
>> to provide them with a VPN client to give them access to the network, but
>> the majority of the folks wanting access have desktop PCs.
>>
>>  
>>
>> How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have
>> laptops?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Rhonda
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
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RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[James Hill]

Actually there is now, see my response to Richard, when it eventually
appears on the list that is.

 

From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2012 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

 

No, there is not.

  _  

From: Richard Stovall [rich...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 7:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

Is there a Mac RDP client that works with RDG?

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:39 PM, James Hill  wrote:

Remote Desktop Gateway is an easy solution.  You can then control who can
access which desktops.

No special client software needed (unless they are using a Mac).

 

From: Guyer, Donald [mailto:dgu...@che.org] 
Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2012 5:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

 

My guess is she meant corp-owned laptops (secure?) and personal desktops
(not secure?).but again, I'm ASSuming.

 

J

 

Regards,

 

Don Guyer

Directory and Messaging Services
Catholic Health East, ITSS

 

From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 11:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

 

Citrix? Why can't desktops use vpn?

Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

  _  

From: "Rhonda Richardson"  

Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:41:07 -0600

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 

Subject: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

 

 

We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access to applications
(specifically licensed to the desktop) and network resources from home or on
the road.  For those that have laptops, we plan to provide them with a VPN
client to give them access to the network, but the majority of the folks
wanting access have desktop PCs.

 

How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have
laptops?

 

Thanks.

 

Rhonda

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RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[James Hill]

For ages there wasn’t.  Microsoft’s Mac rdp client still doesn’t.  But you can 
buy software now that does.  Itap seems to work well.  There are versions for 
iphone/ipad, and for Mac OS.  This link is for the Mac client:-

 

http://itap-mobile.com/desktop/rdp

 

 

 

From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2012 11:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

 

Is there a Mac RDP client that works with RDG?

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:39 PM, James Hill  wrote:

Remote Desktop Gateway is an easy solution.  You can then control who can 
access which desktops.

No special client software needed (unless they are using a Mac).

 

From: Guyer, Donald [mailto:dgu...@che.org] 
Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2012 5:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

 

My guess is she meant corp-owned laptops (secure?) and personal desktops (not 
secure?)…but again, I’m ASSuming.

 

J

 

Regards,

 

Don Guyer

Directory and Messaging Services
Catholic Health East, ITSS

 

From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 11:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

 

Citrix? Why can't desktops use vpn?

Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

  _  

From: "Rhonda Richardson"  

Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:41:07 -0600

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 

Subject: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

 

 

We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access to applications (specifically 
licensed to the desktop) and network resources from home or on the road.  For 
those that have laptops, we plan to provide them with a VPN client to give them 
access to the network, but the majority of the folks wanting access have 
desktop PCs.

 

How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have laptops?

 

Thanks.

 

Rhonda

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RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[Phil Brutsche]

No, there is not.


From: Richard Stovall [rich...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 7:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

Is there a Mac RDP client that works with RDG?

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:39 PM, James Hill 
mailto:falc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Remote Desktop Gateway is an easy solution.  You can then control who can 
access which desktops.
No special client software needed (unless they are using a Mac).

From: Guyer, Donald [mailto:dgu...@che.org<mailto:dgu...@che.org>]
Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2012 5:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

My guess is she meant corp-owned laptops (secure?) and personal desktops (not 
secure?)…but again, I’m ASSuming.

:)

Regards,

Don Guyer
Directory and Messaging Services
Catholic Health East, ITSS

From: Rankin, James R 
[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]<mailto:[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 11:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

Citrix? Why can't desktops use vpn?
Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

From: "Rhonda Richardson" mailto:rrichard...@kcumb.edu>>
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:41:07 -0600
To: NT System Admin 
Issuesmailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Employee Remote Access to Desktop


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licensed to the desktop) and network resources from home or on the road.  For 
those that have laptops, we plan to provide them with a VPN client to give them 
access to the network, but the majority of the folks wanting access have 
desktop PCs.

How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have laptops?

Thanks.

Rhonda

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Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[Richard Stovall]

Is there a Mac RDP client that works with RDG?

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:39 PM, James Hill  wrote:

> 
>
> Remote Desktop Gateway is an easy solution.  You can then control who can
> access which desktops.
>
> No special client software needed (unless they are using a Mac).
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Guyer, Donald [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
> *Sent:* Saturday, 3 March 2012 5:11 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop
>
> ** **
>
> My guess is she meant corp-owned laptops (secure?) and personal desktops
> (not secure?)…but again, I’m ASSuming.
>
> ** **
>
> J
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Don Guyer
>
> Directory and Messaging Services
> Catholic Health East, ITSS
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2012 11:15 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop
>
> ** **
>
> Citrix? Why can't desktops use vpn?
>
> Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird
> --
>
> *From: *"Rhonda Richardson"  
>
> *Date: *Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:41:07 -0600
>
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>
> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues"  >
>
> *Subject: *Employee Remote Access to Desktop
>
> ** **
>
>  
>
> We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access
> to applications (specifically licensed to the desktop) and network
> resources from home or on the road.  For those that have laptops, we plan
> to provide them with a VPN client to give them access to the network, but
> the majority of the folks wanting access have desktop PCs.
>
>  
>
> How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have
> laptops?
>
>  
>
> Thanks.
>
>  
>
> Rhonda
>
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Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[Jon Harris]

That was what I based my reply on.  Laptops got VPN but were owned by the
company and controlled by the company in previous and current positions.
Home desktops personally I would still not like the idea a whole lot but I
no longer have to do the security side of things.

Jon

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Guyer, Donald  wrote:

> 
>
> My guess is she meant corp-owned laptops (secure?) and personal desktops
> (not secure?)…but again, I’m ASSuming.
>
> ** **
>
> J
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Don Guyer
>
> Directory and Messaging Services
> Catholic Health East, ITSS
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2012 11:15 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop
>
> ** **
>
> Citrix? Why can't desktops use vpn?
>
> Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird
> --
>
> *From: *"Rhonda Richardson"  
>
> *Date: *Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:41:07 -0600
>
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>
> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues"  >
>
> *Subject: *Employee Remote Access to Desktop
>
> ** **
>
>  
>
> We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access
> to applications (specifically licensed to the desktop) and network
> resources from home or on the road.  For those that have laptops, we plan
> to provide them with a VPN client to give them access to the network, but
> the majority of the folks wanting access have desktop PCs.
>
>  
>
> How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have
> laptops?
>
>  
>
> Thanks.
>
>  
>
> Rhonda
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RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[David Lum]

Wow4 1/2 hours for that post to make it...
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 11:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

Maybe they are home desktops and they have no method to make sure they're fully 
patched and have AV?
We use Remote Desktop Services (aka Terminal Server), keeps unmanaged PC's off 
our LAN.
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
From: Rankin, James R 
[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]<mailto:[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 8:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

Citrix? Why can't desktops use vpn?
Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

From: "Rhonda Richardson" mailto:rrichard...@kcumb.edu>>
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:41:07 -0600
To: NT System Admin 
Issuesmailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Employee Remote Access to Desktop


We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access to applications (specifically 
licensed to the desktop) and network resources from home or on the road.  For 
those that have laptops, we plan to provide them with a VPN client to give them 
access to the network, but the majority of the folks wanting access have 
desktop PCs.

How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have laptops?

Thanks.

Rhonda

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RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[James Hill]

Remote Desktop Gateway is an easy solution.  You can then control who can
access which desktops.

No special client software needed (unless they are using a Mac).

 

From: Guyer, Donald [mailto:dgu...@che.org] 
Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2012 5:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

 

My guess is she meant corp-owned laptops (secure?) and personal desktops
(not secure?).but again, I'm ASSuming.

 

J

 

Regards,

 

Don Guyer

Directory and Messaging Services
Catholic Health East, ITSS

 

From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 11:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

 

Citrix? Why can't desktops use vpn?

Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

  _  

From: "Rhonda Richardson"  

Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:41:07 -0600

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 

Subject: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

 

 

We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access to applications
(specifically licensed to the desktop) and network resources from home or on
the road.  For those that have laptops, we plan to provide them with a VPN
client to give them access to the network, but the majority of the folks
wanting access have desktop PCs.

 

How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have
laptops?

 

Thanks.

 

Rhonda

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RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[David Lum]

Maybe they are home desktops and they have no method to make sure they're fully 
patched and have AV?
We use Remote Desktop Services (aka Terminal Server), keeps unmanaged PC's off 
our LAN.
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 8:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

Citrix? Why can't desktops use vpn?
Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

From: "Rhonda Richardson" mailto:rrichard...@kcumb.edu>>
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:41:07 -0600
To: NT System Admin 
Issuesmailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Employee Remote Access to Desktop


We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access to applications (specifically 
licensed to the desktop) and network resources from home or on the road.  For 
those that have laptops, we plan to provide them with a VPN client to give them 
access to the network, but the majority of the folks wanting access have 
desktop PCs.

How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have laptops?

Thanks.

Rhonda

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Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[Matthew W. Ross]

It sounds like you want to have users access their desktops via VPN while they 
are outside your network.

Others will suggest much more elegant solutions, but I suggest you setup each 
desktop to allow them to remote-desktop in to their machines at work. We do 
this using the Barracuda SSL-VPN. The trick is:

1. Each desktop must be running a version of windows that allows remote 
desktop. (XP Pro, Vista Business, etc...)
2. Each desktop must be on at the time the user wants to VPN in. (Not asleep, 
or able to be woken up with WOL)
3. Each desktop must be configured to allow remote access. (This can be set on 
each individual computer or managed using group policy.)
4. Each user must be trained on how to connect to their desktop remotely using 
all the pieces necessary. (How to connect to the VPN, how to run Remote 
Desktop, what the limitations are.)

Barracuda tries to handle many of these steps for the users. Each user can 
specify the name of their computer in Barracuda, so the SSL-VPN can wake it up 
if necessary. It also has a VPN client (that runs off of Java, no configuration 
needed) and built in RDP clients (Including a Java one, or can feed the user a 
.rdp to launch). The biggest selling point for the Barracuda is the no user 
limitations, and the no VPN client required. You just buy the size of device 
for your needs and pay for the maintenance.

Note: We have only deployed this solution for a small number of users. I have 
not tried the WOL, although that function is there (My computer never sleeps). 
Other remote solutions than RDP are available, such as Citrix, NX, VNC, putty, 
and others.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


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To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 02 Mar 2012
08:14:55 -0800
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop


> Citrix? Why can't desktops use vpn?
> 
> Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Rhonda Richardson" 
> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:41:07 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> Subject: Employee Remote Access to
> Desktop
> 
>  
> We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access to applications
> (specifically licensed to the desktop) and network resources from home or on
> the road.  For those that have laptops, we plan to provide them with a VPN
> client to give them access to the network, but the majority of the folks
> wanting access have desktop PCs.
>  
> How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have
> laptops?
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Rhonda
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RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[Guyer, Donald]

My guess is she meant corp-owned laptops (secure?) and personal desktops (not 
secure?)...but again, I'm ASSuming.

:)

Regards,

Don Guyer
Directory and Messaging Services
Catholic Health East, ITSS

From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 11:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

Citrix? Why can't desktops use vpn?
Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

From: "Rhonda Richardson" 
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:41:07 -0600
To: NT System Admin Issues
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Employee Remote Access to Desktop


We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access to applications (specifically 
licensed to the desktop) and network resources from home or on the road.  For 
those that have laptops, we plan to provide them with a VPN client to give them 
access to the network, but the majority of the folks wanting access have 
desktop PCs.

How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have laptops?

Thanks.

Rhonda

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Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[Richard Stovall]

Remote Desktop Services via Remote Desktop Gateway is pretty easy to set up
and use.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd560672(v=ws.10).aspx



On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Rhonda Richardson wrote:

>
> We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access
> to applications (specifically licensed to the desktop) and network
> resources from home or on the road.  For those that have laptops, we plan
> to provide them with a VPN client to give them access to the network, but
> the majority of the folks wanting access have desktop PCs.
>
> How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have
> laptops?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Rhonda
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Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[Kurt Buff]

There are a couple of options, usually branded as SSL VPNs, though
some might use IPSec:

o- applications/appliances that give network access, using a
downloadable client. These are usually coupled with a way to check the
connecting machines for various things, to make sure they are fit to
connect to the internal network. Our Sonicwall EX6000 does this,
including checks for patch levels, that antivirus is installed and
running (checking for both version (for example VIPRE 4.0 or greater)
and currency of update - definitions must be no less than x days old),
and other installed programs. It can even check the MAC address of the
connecting unit and use that for part of the authentication, and can
run a script that might be present on the connecting machine, and
recognizes a wide range of AV packages, as well as supports Mac,
Android and iPhone clients.  Authentication can be either from AD or
from an account local to the Sonicwall, among other options. It's also
capable of doing the next option, though that sees much less use.
There are other products out there, but we do like our EX6000.

o- applications/appliances that will provide a web page that gives
access to an RDP session via an ActiveX or Java applet. We have a
couple of these - they are old SonicWall 200/2000 SSL VPN units. They
can also provide network access, but I didn't allow that facility,
because the units didn't have the capability to check the connecting
machine for current antivirus, nor provide other client checks.
Authentication on these unit could be done against AD, but I chose to
use local accounts.

More advanced/expensive units, such as the EX6000 might also provide
for 2-factor authentication, such as RSA cards or SMS messages, or
some other technique.

HTH,

Kurt

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 06:41, Rhonda Richardson  wrote:
>
> We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access
> to applications (specifically licensed to the desktop) and network resources
> from home or on the road.  For those that have laptops, we plan to provide
> them with a VPN client to give them access to the network, but the majority
> of the folks wanting access have desktop PCs.
>
> How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have
> laptops?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Rhonda
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RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[Paul Hutchings]

SSL VPN with an app that proxies TS sessions.

From: Rhonda Richardson [rrichard...@kcumb.edu]
Sent: 02 March 2012 2:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Employee Remote Access to Desktop


We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access to applications (specifically 
licensed to the desktop) and network resources from home or on the road.  For 
those that have laptops, we plan to provide them with a VPN client to give them 
access to the network, but the majority of the folks wanting access have 
desktop PCs.

How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have laptops?

Thanks.

Rhonda

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RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[Walker, Michael]

Remote Desktop Gateway with Windows Server 2008 R2 - Click the link
below for an overview.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc731150.aspx

Michael Walker

Senior Network Engineer

Citrus Valley Health Partners

140 W. College Street, Covina, CA  91723

Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882

mwal...@mail.cvhp.org <mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org> 

 

From: Rhonda Richardson [mailto:rrichard...@kcumb.edu] 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 6:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

 

 

We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access to applications
(specifically licensed to the desktop) and network resources from home
or on the road.  For those that have laptops, we plan to provide them
with a VPN client to give them access to the network, but the majority
of the folks wanting access have desktop PCs.

 

How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have
laptops?

 

Thanks.

 

Rhonda

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Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[Christopher Bodnar]

Citrix is a great solution, but not cheap or quick to roll out the 
infrastructure.



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From:   "Rhonda Richardson" 
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Date:   03-02-12 11:11 AM
Subject:    Employee Remote Access to Desktop



 
We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access to applications 
(specifically licensed to the desktop) and network resources from home or 
on the road.  For those that have laptops, we plan to provide them with a 
VPN client to give them access to the network, but the majority of the 
folks wanting access have desktop PCs.
 
How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have 
laptops?
 
Thanks.
 
Rhonda
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RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[N Parr]

Before we had a VDI solution we used our ASA web portal and allowed users to 
RDP to their personal PC's.


From: Rhonda Richardson [mailto:rrichard...@kcumb.edu]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 8:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Employee Remote Access to Desktop


We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access to applications (specifically 
licensed to the desktop) and network resources from home or on the road.  For 
those that have laptops, we plan to provide them with a VPN client to give them 
access to the network, but the majority of the folks wanting access have 
desktop PCs.

How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have laptops?

Thanks.

Rhonda

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Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[Steve Ens]

Terminal server is what we use.  It is built in to the Windows client (or
easily downloaded for a Mac).  Safe. Easy to setup and to manage.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Rhonda Richardson wrote:

>
> We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access
> to applications (specifically licensed to the desktop) and network
> resources from home or on the road.  For those that have laptops, we plan
> to provide them with a VPN client to give them access to the network, but
> the majority of the folks wanting access have desktop PCs.
>
> How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have
> laptops?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Rhonda
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Re: Employee Remote Access to Desktop

[Rankin, James R]

Citrix? Why can't desktops use vpn?

Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

-Original Message-
From: "Rhonda Richardson" 
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:41:07 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Employee Remote Access to 
Desktop

 
We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access to applications (specifically 
licensed to the desktop) and network resources from home or on the road.  For 
those that have laptops, we plan to provide them with a VPN client to give them 
access to the network, but the majority of the folks wanting access have 
desktop PCs.
 
How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have laptops?
 
Thanks.
 
Rhonda

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RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Mathew Shember]

Indeed.

We have many engineers who program from laptops.

Desktops are still around but they are for people who need more power than 
laptops can provide...

Thanks,
Mathew

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 4:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

>>Ditto that a laptop should not supplant a desktop,

You may not have noticed, but laptop sales have long eclipsed desktop sales, 
even though desktops remain capable of much more power than laptops, 
particularly at the same price points.

  *   
http://www.techshout.com/laptops/2008/24/laptop-sales-overtake-desktop-pc-sales/
  *   
http://news.techworld.com/sme/3227696/desktop-and-laptop-sales-to-grow-this-year/


Power is not the only consideration in a computing purchase, and is often not 
even the primary consideration.
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On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
My point is that it's important to have the most capable device first.
Anything else should come thereafter.

As a much less capable device, a tablet is a luxury, and should not
replace a computer. Ditto that a laptop should not supplant a desktop,
and for a company a desktop should not supplant a server where a
server is needed.

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 21:18, Steven M. Caesare 
mailto:scaes...@caesare.com>> wrote:
> Many such devices are cheaper than a computer with its all-important keyboard.
>
> So what is your point?
>
> -sc
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:56 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:21, Steven M. Caesare 
> mailto:scaes...@caesare.com>> wrote:
>>
>> This point seems to be lost on many.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are many services to be consumed in this day and age that do not 
>> require a full "computer", and for which a complete PC, or even laptop, 
>> actually can be a disadvantage.
>>
>>
>>
>> There's room for multiple devices in the ecosystem. Has been for some time.
>
> Only if you can afford them all.
>


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Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Jon Harris]

I just finished switching my wife from a laptop to a tablet type of device
(Dell Duo) while it can work like a tablet it can also work like a laptop.
Her biggest requirements were "it had to run Office 2007", "can not require
expensive digital cell phone plan", and "WORK".  The Duo was the only thing
in the market at the time that fit all of the requirements.  She looked at
it online liked it and so far has been enjoying the device.  Some of her
friends that have seen it like it as well a couple of them have iPads but
they keep complaining about lack of compatability to there PC's and laptops.

Jon

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> I don't either...At least, not for a few more days.  :)
>
> I went after the HP TouchPad fire sale, because $99 is a price point I'm
> willing to entertain *in my own home* for this type of device.  But, it
> could easily become my wife's next primary computing device, as she has a
> laptop that is getting a little long in the tooth, and her usage pattern
> *might* favor such a device.   We'll see.
>
> * *
>
> *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
> Technology for the SMB market…
>
> *
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
> wrote:
>
>> Interestingly enough I don’t have a tablet.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I just find the “there’s no compelling reason for them” to be rather
>> dismissive of the large groups of people that… well... have found a
>> compelling use for them.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> -sc
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* James Hill [mailto:j.h...@coffeeclub.com.au]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:40 AM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Agreed.  There just appears to be a lot more support for the tablet side
>> of the discussion.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Horses for courses.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 24 August 2011 2:29 PM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I don’t think you’ll find many of the posts here are from proponents who
>> are suggesting such.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The idea is that there are specific usage cases for which they are
>> extremely well suited. But that doesn’t obviate the need for a full-blown PC
>> or laptop, any more than a moped alleviates the need for an SUV.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> -sc
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* James Hill [mailto:j.h...@coffeeclub.com.au]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:24 AM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> We are creating far more than we ever used to though.  Social networking
>> is a big driver of this.  Then add things like bit torrent and
>> non-symmetrical internet connections can become an issue.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Whilst tablets have their place and are increasing in popularity I
>> couldn’t imagine working on one all day at %work%.  My productivity would
>> greatly diminish as it would for 99% of my users.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 24 August 2011 2:00 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> You're wrong. I've been at this long enough that I recall split baud rates
>> of 1200/75, because we consume so much more than we create. That's reflected
>> in modern cable Download/Upload splits.
>>
>> YOU may have an 'I need to create' use case, but there are many, many
>> folks that the consumption side is more relevant.
>>
>> Data creation is why computers are so useful? Laughable. 
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *Kurt Buff  
>>
>> *Date: *Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:54:47 -0700
>>
>> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>>
>> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues" <
>> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> N

RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[James Hill]

Bit torrent - not much creation.  Social networking - lots of creation, more 
people and more content than ever before.  I hear the complaints now about how 
long it takes to upload that HD video they recorded or the 100+ pictures they 
took on their phone with its oversized megapixel camera.

Consumption will always be greater than contribution but there is a definite 
increase in creation.

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2011 9:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

>>We are creating far more than we ever used to though


I hesitate to call much of that content *creation*.   At best, many people are 
pushing around content to lots of other people made by only a few people.

Just take this list, for example.  The growth in traffic is attributable to a 
small number of subscribers, on the whole, and this growth is consumed by a 
much larger group.

No matter what the growth of content, the ratio of consumers to producers is 
not shrinking appreciably, even if you count - pseudo producers.

Add to that, the tools for creation and distribution are becoming more 
sophisticated and yet simpler to use, that they are being used on different 
devices than before.


>>Social networking is a big driver of this.

And think of how many people manage their social media from their smartphones...

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On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:24 AM, James Hill 
mailto:j.h...@coffeeclub.com.au>> wrote:
We are creating far more than we ever used to though.  Social networking is a 
big driver of this.  Then add things like bit torrent and non-symmetrical 
internet connections can become an issue.

Whilst tablets have their place and are increasing in popularity I couldn't 
imagine working on one all day at %work%.  My productivity would greatly 
diminish as it would for 99% of my users.


From: Gary Slinger 
[mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com<mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2011 2:00 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

You're wrong. I've been at this long enough that I recall split baud rates of 
1200/75, because we consume so much more than we create. That's reflected in 
modern cable Download/Upload splits.

YOU may have an 'I need to create' use case, but there are many, many folks 
that the consumption side is more relevant.

Data creation is why computers are so useful? Laughable.

From: Kurt Buff mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>>
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:54:47 -0700
To: NT System Admin 
Issuesmailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

Not an Apple hater. I have passed on Android tablets as well. I only own an 
Android phone because work required it, and am ready to abandon that as well.


I always presume the need for data creation - it's why computers are so useful, 
and if you have the ability to create data, you automatically have the ability 
to consume it.

The converse isn't true.
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:09, Gary Slinger 
mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Presumes the need for data creation and skips over all the consumption use 
cases.

Kurt's an apple hater. His opinon is taintendly irrelevant.

From: James Hill mailto:j.h...@coffeeclub.com.au>>
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 04:05:44 +
To: NT System Admin 
Issuesmailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

And to me.  The backspace key is my friend!

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, 23 August 2011 2:03 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

>>The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the supposed advantages.

To you.
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On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The benefits and costs of distributing books electronically is not
tied to the use of tablets. You can use a PC to read a PDF or other
digital media just as well as on a tablet, and do much more besides,
given the cost differential - once you take into account the
peripherals needed to make the tablet as useful as a more traditional
laptop or PC. The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the
supposed advantages

RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Steven M. Caesare]

Very cool...

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Michael White [mailto:mswhite...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:37 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
> 
> An example... OnPatient is a free app for collecting patient
information
> instead of the traditional clipboard which ties in to the drchrono EHR
app
> (also free - but with variable pricing for back-end functionality).
Patient
> shows up at check-in, handed the iPad with their initial information
in to
> verify/update/add.  Returns to check-in and information is available
for
> medical practitioner in the drchrono EHR app.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Steven M. Caesare
>  wrote:
> > Another: Forms data entry on a device with a clipboard-ish form
factor
> > with field level validation and back-end real-time processing logic.
> > Think the multi-billion dollar medical industry as just ONE example.
> > There are many, MANY others (insurance adjusters, inspection
> > personnel, legal transcribing,
> > etc...)
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Michael White]

An example... OnPatient is a free app for collecting patient
information instead of the traditional clipboard which ties in to the
drchrono EHR app (also free - but with variable pricing for back-end
functionality).  Patient shows up at check-in, handed the iPad with
their initial information in to verify/update/add.  Returns to
check-in and information is available for medical practitioner in the
drchrono EHR app.

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
> Another: Forms data entry on a device with a clipboard-ish form factor with
> field level validation and back-end real-time processing logic. Think the
> multi-billion dollar medical industry as just ONE example. There are many,
> MANY others (insurance adjusters, inspection personnel, legal transcribing,
> etc…)



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RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[John Hornbuckle]

Depends on the job. For administrative staff, not so much.


John


From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

Really?  My experience with education institutions is that they are voracious 
consumers multimedia.
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:47 AM, John Hornbuckle 
mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>> 
wrote:
I didn't say that audio, video, and pictures were never used in the enterprise. 
I said that for MOST enterprises, they're not the PREDOMINANT document type.

Or maybe we're just the exception in this regard, and other organizations are 
consuming multimedia at much larger volumes than we are.


John


From: Steven M. Caesare 
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com<mailto:scaes...@caesare.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:34 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

Voicemail systems msgs: check.

Training videos: check.

Lectures: check.

Etc...

-sc

From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]<mailto:[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:39 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

We were talking about a work situation, though. I would assume that in most 
enterprises, music, movies, and pictures wouldn't be the predominant type of 
business document.


John

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Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Jonathan Link]

Really?  My experience with education institutions is that they are
voracious consumers multimedia.

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:47 AM, John Hornbuckle <
john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us> wrote:

> I didn’t say that audio, video, and pictures were never used in the
> enterprise. I said that for MOST enterprises, they’re not the PREDOMINANT
> document type.
>
> ** **
>
> Or maybe we’re just the exception in this regard, and other organizations
> are consuming multimedia at much larger volumes than we are.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> John
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:34 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> ** **
>
> Voicemail systems msgs: check.
>
> ** **
>
> Training videos: check.
>
> ** **
>
> Lectures: check.
>
> ** **
>
> Etc…
>
> ** **
>
> -sc
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:39 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> ** **
>
> We were talking about a work situation, though. I would assume that in most
> enterprises, music, movies, and pictures wouldn’t be the predominant type of
> business document.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> John
>
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RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[John Hornbuckle]

I didn't say that audio, video, and pictures were never used in the enterprise. 
I said that for MOST enterprises, they're not the PREDOMINANT document type.

Or maybe we're just the exception in this regard, and other organizations are 
consuming multimedia at much larger volumes than we are.


John


From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:34 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

Voicemail systems msgs: check.

Training videos: check.

Lectures: check.

Etc...

-sc

From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]<mailto:[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

We were talking about a work situation, though. I would assume that in most 
enterprises, music, movies, and pictures wouldn't be the predominant type of 
business document.


John

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RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Steven M. Caesare]

Voicemail systems msgs: check.

 

Training videos: check.

 

Lectures: check.

 

Etc...

 

-sc

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

 

We were talking about a work situation, though. I would assume that in
most enterprises, music, movies, and pictures wouldn't be the
predominant type of business document.

 

 

John

 

 

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

 

True.

 

Unlike time past, where a file was expected to be some PC-centric thing
(a Word doc, spreadsheet, configuration file, etc...) Everything is a
file these days:

 

You music? Check.

 

Movies? Check

 

Pictures? Check.

 

 

Heck, I suspect most people have more _NON-PC_ devices consuming files
than PC's these days...

 

-sc

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

 


Accessing documents is a "PC thing"?

Is email a PC thing?  What about web browsing?

It's not like the request was to create 3D movies via a tablet, which
one could argue is more of a PC thing...

-ASB: http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Sent from my Motorola Droid

On Aug 23, 2011 8:30 AM, "John Hornbuckle"
 wrote:
> Agreed. Which was my point very early in this thread-we need to pick
the right tool for the right job. What started this discussion was
essentially a question of how to get an iPad to do PC stuff, which
implies that maybe the iPad isn't the right tool for that particular
job.
> 
> I'm a Disney junkie, so I found this interesting:
> 
>
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE8PvsRqjkg<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE8Pv
sRqjkg>
> 
> It's a good use of iPads in design and construction.
> 
> But for all the talk of tablets "replacing" PCs, this video shows that
we're not there yet. Watch closely, and you'll see that the video opens
showing an Imagineer's iPad sitting on top of his PC.
> 
> And not just any PC, but a laptop-the specific devices that tablets
are said to be rapidly displacing.
> 
> Of course, he's also running Windows XP. So I have my doubts about how
technologically progressive WDI is. :)
> 
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:21 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
> 
> This point seems to be lost on many.
> 
> There are many services to be consumed in this day and age that do not
require a full "computer", and for which a complete PC, or even laptop,
actually can be a disadvantage.
> 
> There's room for multiple devices in the ecosystem. Has been for some
time.
> 
> -sc
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RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Steven M. Caesare]

> You would think I said I eat kittens.  ;)

 

There's an app for that.

 

-sc

 

From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

 

Goodness.

 

You would think I said I eat kittens.  ;)

 

I did say personally.   I didn't say there was no use for them.

 

Certain job functions they are extremely usefully.Our marketing guys
use them for presentations and email for example.

 

Unfortunately; I still need a laptop for certain things..

 

 

Thanks,

Mathew

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

 

And there are folks who do media creation and review for which they are
10x more convenient than a laptop. The org that we have a support
contract with is doing a medical survey involving 100,000 subjects, and
they are far more useful as a "clipboard replacement" than a laptop
would be.

 

Just because you don't find them to be a value proposition doesn't mean
there aren't very valid use cases for them.

 

-sc

 

From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

 

Well?  

 

I can't seem to justify $700 for en email reader and a game player for
my kid.If somebody gave me one, I would use it.

 

Anecdotally speaking, I see iPad more in kids hands then I do the
adults.

 

Thanks,

Mathew

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 9:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

 

This point seems to be lost on many.

 

There are many services to be consumed in this day and age that do not
require a full "computer", and for which a complete PC, or even laptop,
actually can be a disadvantage.

 

There's room for multiple devices in the ecosystem. Has been for some
time.

 

-sc

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:09 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

 

If you insist on using a tablet exactly as a PC (or even a laptop), then
you'll be sorely disappointed. 

Most people who adopt them (tablets) use the new tool differently from
the old tool.

It's not like most people with laptops in a corporate environment are
actually using a reasonable percentage of its inherent advantages.
Additionally, many people are using their smart phones which are even
more inconvenient than tablets, to accomplish some of the work they used
to perform on PCs.  Tablets give them a *richer* experience, from this
standpoint, hence the growing adoption rate.

I'm pretty sure that is we substitute "PC" for "tablet" and go back
16-20 years, there'd be no distinguishing the arguments being used.

Yet, here we are.

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

 

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

The benefits and costs of distributing books electronically is not
tied to the use of tablets. You can use a PC to read a PDF or other
digital media just as well as on a tablet, and do much more besides,
given the cost differential - once you take into account the
peripherals needed to make the tablet as useful as a more traditional
laptop or PC. The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the
supposed advantages.

Kurt

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 18:00, Jonathan Link 
wrote:
> You're still mostly wooshing here.
>
> Never did I say I bought into these concepts, but this is how it often
> appears to the uninitiated into the arcane art of IT.  I, of course,
know
> that mainframes didn't die, but most of the work of the "data
processing"
> department was subsumed in many organizations by business units closer
to
> the data, and this was accelerated by the adoption of the PC and PC
> networks.
> And have you measured that against the cost of textbooks?  I know a
lot of
> administrators are crunching these numbers right now...
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Kurt Buff 
wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 13:21, Jonathan Link

>> wrote:
>> > To put it another way, the data processing group got put out to
pasture
>> > of
>> > days gone by was blindsided by the PC revolution.
>>
>> Not really - they just morphed into the IT staff of today - server
>> administrators. And, mainframes haven't disappeared - again, it's the
>> minis that got squeezed. IBM still makes a buncha money on
mainframes.
>

RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Steven M. Caesare]

For 95% of users a laptop suffices, and is often preferable. Given a
choice here, most every "standard" user will take the laptop.

 

We are moving to laptop/docking station usage here, with the idea that
telework and "hoteling" will provide much greater flexibility, and a
laptop with 2-4 CPU cores and 4GB of RAM in a widescreen display handles
the vast majority of office-productivity requirements.

 

-sc

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

 

>>Ditto that a laptop should not supplant a desktop,

 

You may not have noticed, but laptop sales have long eclipsed desktop
sales, even though desktops remain capable of much more power than
laptops, particularly at the same price points.

*
http://www.techshout.com/laptops/2008/24/laptop-sales-overtake-desktop-p
c-sales/
*
http://news.techworld.com/sme/3227696/desktop-and-laptop-sales-to-grow-t
his-year/



Power is not the only consideration in a computing purchase, and is
often not even the primary consideration.


ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker <http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker> 

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...





On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

My point is that it's important to have the most capable device first.
Anything else should come thereafter.

As a much less capable device, a tablet is a luxury, and should not
replace a computer. Ditto that a laptop should not supplant a desktop,
and for a company a desktop should not supplant a server where a
server is needed.


On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 21:18, Steven M. Caesare 
wrote:
> Many such devices are cheaper than a computer with its all-important
keyboard.
>
> So what is your point?
>

> -sc
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]

> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:56 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>

> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:21, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:
>>
>> This point seems to be lost on many.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are many services to be consumed in this day and age that do
not require a full "computer", and for which a complete PC, or even
laptop, actually can be a disadvantage.
>>
>>
>>
>> There's room for multiple devices in the ecosystem. Has been for some
time.
>

> Only if you can afford them all.
>

 

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Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Jonathan Link]

Groundhog Day.

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Steven M. Caesare wrote:

> This all sounds vaguely familiar… is it September of 2010?
>
> ** **
>
> -sc
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:53 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> ** **
>
> Actually, to be absolutely candid, it is a discussion about making bold
> assertions without being able to to support them.  Because one doesn't find
> utility in a device doesn't mean that others can't find utility. To say
> something is crippled because it meet some arbitrary requirement is silly.
>
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2011, James Hill 
> wrote:
> > Agreed.  There just appears to be a lot more support for the tablet side
> of the discussion.
> >
> >
> >
> > Horses for courses.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2011 2:29 PM
>
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
> >
> >
> >
> > I don’t think you’ll find many of the posts here are from proponents who
> are suggesting such.
> >
> >
> >
> > The idea is that there are specific usage cases for which they are
> extremely well suited. But that doesn’t obviate the need for a full-blown PC
> or laptop, any more than a moped alleviates the need for an SUV.
> >
> >
> >
> > -sc
> >
> >
> >
> > From: James Hill [mailto:j.h...@coffeeclub.com.au]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:24 AM
>
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
> >
> >
> >
> > We are creating far more than we ever used to though.  Social networking
> is a big driver of this.  Then add things like bit torrent and
> non-symmetrical internet connections can become an issue.
> >
> >
> >
> > Whilst tablets have their place and are increasing in popularity I
> couldn’t imagine working on one all day at %work%.  My productivity would
> greatly diminish as it would for 99% of my users.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2011 2:00 PM
>
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
> >
> >
> >
> > You're wrong. I've been at this long enough that I recall split baud
> rates of 1200/75, because we consume so much more than we create. That's
> reflected in modern cable Download/Upload splits.
> >
> > YOU may have an 'I need to create' use case, but there are many, many
> folks that the consumption side is more relevant.
> >
> > Data creation is why computers are so useful? Laughable.
> >
> > 
> >
> > From: Kurt Buff 
> >
> > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:54:47 -0700
> >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >
> > ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues"  >
> >
> > Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
> >
> >
> >
> > Not an Apple hater. I have passed on Android tablets as well. I only own
> an Android phone because work required it, and am ready to abandon that as
> well.
> >
> > I always presume the need for data creation - it's why computers are so
> useful, and if you have the ability to create data, you automatically have
> the ability to consume it.
> >
> > The converse isn't true.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:09, Gary Slinger 
> wrote:
> >
> > Presumes the need for data creation and skips over all the consumption
> use cases.
> >
> > Kurt's an apple hater. His opinon is taintendly irrelevant.
> >
> > 
> >
> > From: James Hill 
> >
> > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 04:05:44 +
> >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >
> > ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues"  >
> >
> > Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
> >
> >
> >
> > And to me.  The backspace key is my friend!
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 23 August 2011 2:03 PM
>
> >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>

RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Steven M. Caesare]

Another: Forms data entry on a device with a clipboard-ish form factor
with field level validation and back-end real-time processing logic.
Think the multi-billion dollar medical industry as just ONE example.
There are many, MANY others (insurance adjusters, inspection personnel,
legal transcribing, etc...)

 

Significantly more "legit" than a couple of kids seeing Twilight at the
movies...

 

-sc

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:54 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

 

Again, you're largely extrapolating a personal preference into a global
phenomenon.

There are a variety of tools, including Swype, which exist to make it
easy to post long documents if you really need to, from a device like a
smart phone, much less a tablet.

Your personal preference does not indicate viability, nor will it
inhibit adoption.

-ASB: http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Sent from my Motorola Droid via Swype

On Aug 23, 2011 11:51 PM, "Kurt Buff"  wrote:
> And to anyone who needs to express thoughts to others beyond the
silliness
> that is 'u gng show night' with any regularity.
> 
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:03, Andrew S. Baker 
wrote:
> 
>> *>>The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the supposed
advantages.
>> *
>>
>> To you.
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
>> Technology for the SMB market...
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Kurt Buff 
wrote:
>>
>>> The benefits and costs of distributing books electronically is not
>>> tied to the use of tablets. You can use a PC to read a PDF or other
>>> digital media just as well as on a tablet, and do much more besides,
>>> given the cost differential - once you take into account the
>>> peripherals needed to make the tablet as useful as a more
traditional
>>> laptop or PC. The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the
>>> supposed advantages.
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 18:00, Jonathan Link

>>> wrote:
>>> > You're still mostly wooshing here.
>>> >
>>> > Never did I say I bought into these concepts, but this is how it
often
>>> > appears to the uninitiated into the arcane art of IT. I, of
course,
>>> know
>>> > that mainframes didn't die, but most of the work of the "data
>>> processing"
>>> > department was subsumed in many organizations by business units
closer
>>> to
>>> > the data, and this was accelerated by the adoption of the PC and
PC
>>> > networks.
>>> > And have you measured that against the cost of textbooks? I know a
lot
>>> of
>>> > administrators are crunching these numbers right now...
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Kurt Buff 
wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 13:21, Jonathan Link

>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > To put it another way, the data processing group got put out to
>>> pasture
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > days gone by was blindsided by the PC revolution.
>>> >>
>>> >> Not really - they just morphed into the IT staff of today -
server
>>> >> administrators. And, mainframes haven't disappeared - again, it's
the
>>> >> minis that got squeezed. IBM still makes a buncha money on
mainframes.
>>> >>
>>> >> > The current generation
>>> >> > of tablets are probably the most compelling piece of technology
since
>>> >> > then.
>>> >>
>>> >> Perhaps. I've yet to be convinced.
>>> >>
>>> >> > Teachers and administrators are very interested in tablets
because
>>> they
>>> >> > believe they offer so much more capability for viewing and
>>> distributing
>>> >> > content!
>>> >>
>>> >> The SJRDF is strong, 'tis true. I think the only advantage they
show
>>> >> is weight, and a multi-touch screen. For viewing content, a
larger
>>> >> screen gives better resolution, and for real distribution you
still
>>> >> need the servers on the back end. The capabilities are still
lacking,
>>> >> and the price is still too high.
>>> >>
>>> >> Kurt
>>> >>
>>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that

RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Steven M. Caesare]

This all sounds vaguely familiar... is it September of 2010?

 

-sc

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

 

Actually, to be absolutely candid, it is a discussion about making bold
assertions without being able to to support them.  Because one doesn't
find utility in a device doesn't mean that others can't find utility. To
say something is crippled because it meet some arbitrary requirement is
silly. 

On Wednesday, August 24, 2011, James Hill 
wrote:
> Agreed.  There just appears to be a lot more support for the tablet
side of the discussion.
>
>  
>
> Horses for courses.
>
>  
>
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2011 2:29 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
>  
>
> I don't think you'll find many of the posts here are from proponents
who are suggesting such.
>
>  
>
> The idea is that there are specific usage cases for which they are
extremely well suited. But that doesn't obviate the need for a
full-blown PC or laptop, any more than a moped alleviates the need for
an SUV.
>
>  
>
> -sc
>
>  
>
> From: James Hill [mailto:j.h...@coffeeclub.com.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:24 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
>  
>
> We are creating far more than we ever used to though.  Social
networking is a big driver of this.  Then add things like bit torrent
and non-symmetrical internet connections can become an issue.
>
>  
>
> Whilst tablets have their place and are increasing in popularity I
couldn't imagine working on one all day at %work%.  My productivity
would greatly diminish as it would for 99% of my users.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2011 2:00 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
>  
>
> You're wrong. I've been at this long enough that I recall split baud
rates of 1200/75, because we consume so much more than we create. That's
reflected in modern cable Download/Upload splits.
>
> YOU may have an 'I need to create' use case, but there are many, many
folks that the consumption side is more relevant.
>
> Data creation is why computers are so useful? Laughable.
>
> 
>
> From: Kurt Buff 
>
> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:54:47 -0700
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues"

>
> Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
>  
>
> Not an Apple hater. I have passed on Android tablets as well. I only
own an Android phone because work required it, and am ready to abandon
that as well.
>
> I always presume the need for data creation - it's why computers are
so useful, and if you have the ability to create data, you automatically
have the ability to consume it.
>
> The converse isn't true.
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:09, Gary Slinger 
wrote:
>
> Presumes the need for data creation and skips over all the consumption
use cases.
>
> Kurt's an apple hater. His opinon is taintendly irrelevant.
>
> 
>
> From: James Hill 
>
> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 04:05:44 +
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues"

>
> Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
>  
>
> And to me.  The backspace key is my friend!
>
>  
>
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 August 2011 2:03 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
>  
>
>>>The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the supposed
advantages.
>
> To you.
>
> ASB
>
> http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
>
> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Kurt Buff 
wrote:
>
> The benefits and costs of distributing books electronically is not
> tied to the use of tablets. You can use a PC to read a PDF or other
> digital media just as well as on a tablet, and do much more besides,
> given the cost differential - once you take into account the
> peripherals needed to make the tablet as useful as a more traditional
> laptop or PC. The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the
> supposed advantages.
>
> Kurt
>
> On M

RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Steven M. Caesare]

Again, nobody is espousing tablets as wholesale REPLACEMENTS for computers. 
They are useful adjuncts in many cases.

> the most capable device first

And therein lies the rub. Most cable for WHAT usage scenario? There are a bunch 
where  tablet is MORE capable than a larger/more powerful device.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:45 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
> 
> My point is that it's important to have the most capable device first.
> Anything else should come thereafter.
> 
> As a much less capable device, a tablet is a luxury, and should not replace a
> computer. Ditto that a laptop should not supplant a desktop, and for a
> company a desktop should not supplant a server where a server is needed.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 21:18, Steven M. Caesare 
> wrote:
> > Many such devices are cheaper than a computer with its all-important
> keyboard.
> >
> > So what is your point?
> >
> > -sc
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:56 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:21, Steven M. Caesare
>  wrote:
> >>
> >> This point seems to be lost on many.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> There are many services to be consumed in this day and age that do not
> require a full “computer”, and for which a complete PC, or even laptop,
> actually can be a disadvantage.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> There’s room for multiple devices in the ecosystem. Has been for some
> time.
> >
> > Only if you can afford them all.
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
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Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Pete Howard]

Let me know off list so Kurt doesnt scoop them all up :)

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:16 AM, "Andrew S. Baker"  wrote:

> 
> I may have...I'll be able to confirm today.
> 
> -ASB: http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
> 
> Sent from my Motorola Droid
> On Aug 24, 2011 8:38 AM, "Pete Howard"  wrote:
> > Did you find one!? I've been looking to pick up a couple HP tabs at that 
> > price too
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> > On Aug 24, 2011, at 7:11 AM, "Andrew S. Baker"  wrote:
> > 
> >> I don't either... At least, not for a few more days. :)
> >> 
> >> I went after the HP TouchPad fire sale, because $99 is a price point I'm 
> >> willing to entertain *in my own home* for this type of device. But, it 
> >> could easily become my wife's next primary computing device, as she has a 
> >> laptop that is getting a little long in the tooth, and her usage pattern 
> >> *might* favor such a device. We'll see.
> >> 
> >> ASB
> >> http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
> >> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Steven M. Caesare  
> >> wrote:
> >> Interestingly enough I don’t have a tablet.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I just find the “there’s no compelling reason for them” to be rather 
> >> dismissive of the large groups of people that… well... have found a 
> >> compelling use for them.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -sc
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> From: James Hill [mailto:j.h...@coffeeclub.com.au] 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:40 AM
> >> 
> >> 
> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Agreed. There just appears to be a lot more support for the tablet side of 
> >> the discussion.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Horses for courses.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2011 2:29 PM
> >> 
> >> 
> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I don’t think you’ll find many of the posts here are from proponents who 
> >> are suggesting such.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> The idea is that there are specific usage cases for which they are 
> >> extremely well suited. But that doesn’t obviate the need for a full-blown 
> >> PC or laptop, any more than a moped alleviates the need for an SUV.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -sc
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> From: James Hill [mailto:j.h...@coffeeclub.com.au] 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:24 AM
> >> 
> >> 
> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
> >> 
> >> 
> >> We are creating far more than we ever used to though. Social networking is 
> >> a big driver of this. Then add things like bit torrent and non-symmetrical 
> >> internet connections can become an issue.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Whilst tablets have their place and are increasing in popularity I 
> >> couldn’t imagine working on one all day at %work%. My productivity would 
> >> greatly diminish as it would for 99% of my users.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com] 
> >> 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2011 2:00 PM
> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
> >> 
> >> 
> >> You're wrong. I've been at this long enough that I recall split baud rates 
> >> of 1200/75, because we consume so much more than we create. That's 
> >> reflected in modern cable Download/Upload splits. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> YOU may have an 'I need to create' use case, but there are many, many 
> >> folks that the consumption side is more relevant. 
> >> 
> >> Data creation is why computers are so useful? Laughable.
> >> From: Kurt Buff 
> >> 
> >> Date

Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Andrew S. Baker]

I may have...I'll be able to confirm today.

-ASB: http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Sent from my Motorola Droid
 On Aug 24, 2011 8:38 AM, "Pete Howard"  wrote:
> Did you find one!? I've been looking to pick up a couple HP tabs at that
price too
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 24, 2011, at 7:11 AM, "Andrew S. Baker"  wrote:
>
>> I don't either... At least, not for a few more days. :)
>>
>> I went after the HP TouchPad fire sale, because $99 is a price point I'm
willing to entertain *in my own home* for this type of device. But, it could
easily become my wife's next primary computing device, as she has a laptop
that is getting a little long in the tooth, and her usage pattern *might*
favor such a device. We'll see.
>>
>> ASB
>> http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
>> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
wrote:
>> Interestingly enough I don’t have a tablet.
>>
>>
>>
>> I just find the “there’s no compelling reason for them” to be rather
dismissive of the large groups of people that… well... have found a
compelling use for them.
>>
>>
>>
>> -sc
>>
>>
>>
>> From: James Hill [mailto:j.h...@coffeeclub.com.au]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:40 AM
>>
>>
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>>
>>
>> Agreed. There just appears to be a lot more support for the tablet side
of the discussion.
>>
>>
>>
>> Horses for courses.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2011 2:29 PM
>>
>>
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>>
>>
>> I don’t think you’ll find many of the posts here are from proponents who
are suggesting such.
>>
>>
>>
>> The idea is that there are specific usage cases for which they are
extremely well suited. But that doesn’t obviate the need for a full-blown PC
or laptop, any more than a moped alleviates the need for an SUV.
>>
>>
>>
>> -sc
>>
>>
>>
>> From: James Hill [mailto:j.h...@coffeeclub.com.au]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:24 AM
>>
>>
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>>
>>
>> We are creating far more than we ever used to though. Social networking
is a big driver of this. Then add things like bit torrent and
non-symmetrical internet connections can become an issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> Whilst tablets have their place and are increasing in popularity I
couldn’t imagine working on one all day at %work%. My productivity would
greatly diminish as it would for 99% of my users.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com]
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2011 2:00 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>>
>>
>> You're wrong. I've been at this long enough that I recall split baud
rates of 1200/75, because we consume so much more than we create. That's
reflected in modern cable Download/Upload splits.
>>
>>
>> YOU may have an 'I need to create' use case, but there are many, many
folks that the consumption side is more relevant.
>>
>> Data creation is why computers are so useful? Laughable.
>> From: Kurt Buff 
>>
>> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:54:47 -0700
>>
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>
>> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
>>
>> Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>>
>>
>>
>> Not an Apple hater. I have passed on Android tablets as well. I only own
an Android phone because work required it, and am ready to abandon that as
well.
>>
>>
>>
>> I always presume the need for data creation - it's why computers are so
useful, and if you have the ability to create data, you automatically have
the ability to consume it.
>>
>> The converse isn't true.
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:09, Gary Slinger 
wrote:
>>
>> Presumes the need for data creation and skips over all the consumption
use cases.
>>
>> Kurt's an apple hater. His opinon is taintendly irrelevant.
>>
>> From: James Hill 
>>
>> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 04:05:44 +
>>
>> To: NT System Admin

RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[John Hornbuckle]

The DX is black and white-just with a bigger screen.

E-ink seems to be the best for long-term reading because (A.) it's easy on the 
eyes and (B.) it requires just a trickle of power from a battery. But to be 
feasible for textbooks, it has to support color.

China's Hanvon makes a color e-ink reader, but the technology is still very 
new. The colors aren't bright, and screen-draws are slow.

Maybe in a year or two these will be ready for prime time.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us





From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

Look again on Amazon I was told what I was looking at was a color Kindle they 
are larger than the B/W Kindle colors looked good but like I said that is all 
the look I got at it.

I think this is what I was looking at.  
http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Wireless-Reading-Display-Generation/dp/B002GYWHSQ/ref=sa_menu_kdx23.
  It does not say one way or the other.  Maybe I was told wrong!

I sure wish the kids would have let me have a better look at it.

Jon Harris
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:41 AM, John Hornbuckle 
mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>> 
wrote:
There's no color Kindle, as far as I know. I think there's a color Nook, but it 
doesn't use e-ink-so it's a backlit display, and much lower battery life.

E-ink is very easy on the eyes. My wife has a Kindle, and loves it. It runs 
forever on a charge, and is easy to read-including in bright sunlight. There's 
no color, though. That's fine for reading novels and such, but for kids' 
textbooks color is a must.


John



From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com<mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:57 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

John, do you know if anyone is looking at either the nook or kindle color e-ink 
devices?  I just saw my first kindle one this weekend and while the kids that 
had it were happy as a clam with what it could do I could not tell, the kids 
would not share with me, if e-books looked that much better or not.

Jon

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Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Pete Howard]

Did you find one!? I've been looking to pick up a couple HP tabs at that price 
too

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 24, 2011, at 7:11 AM, "Andrew S. Baker"  wrote:

> I don't either...At least, not for a few more days.  :)
> 
> I went after the HP TouchPad fire sale, because $99 is a price point I'm 
> willing to entertain *in my own home* for this type of device.  But, it could 
> easily become my wife's next primary computing device, as she has a laptop 
> that is getting a little long in the tooth, and her usage pattern *might* 
> favor such a device.   We'll see.
> 
> ASB
> http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Steven M. Caesare  
> wrote:
> Interestingly enough I don’t have a tablet.
> 
>  
> 
> I just find the “there’s no compelling reason for them” to be rather 
> dismissive of the large groups of people that… well... have found a 
> compelling use for them.
> 
>  
> 
> -sc
> 
>  
> 
> From: James Hill [mailto:j.h...@coffeeclub.com.au] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:40 AM
> 
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>  
> 
> Agreed.  There just appears to be a lot more support for the tablet side of 
> the discussion.
> 
>  
> 
> Horses for courses.
> 
>  
> 
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2011 2:29 PM
> 
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>  
> 
> I don’t think you’ll find many of the posts here are from proponents who are 
> suggesting such.
> 
>  
> 
> The idea is that there are specific usage cases for which they are extremely 
> well suited. But that doesn’t obviate the need for a full-blown PC or laptop, 
> any more than a moped alleviates the need for an SUV.
> 
>  
> 
> -sc
> 
>  
> 
> From: James Hill [mailto:j.h...@coffeeclub.com.au] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:24 AM
> 
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>  
> 
> We are creating far more than we ever used to though.  Social networking is a 
> big driver of this.  Then add things like bit torrent and non-symmetrical 
> internet connections can become an issue.
> 
>  
> 
> Whilst tablets have their place and are increasing in popularity I couldn’t 
> imagine working on one all day at %work%.  My productivity would greatly 
> diminish as it would for 99% of my users.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com] 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2011 2:00 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>  
> 
> You're wrong. I've been at this long enough that I recall split baud rates of 
> 1200/75, because we consume so much more than we create. That's reflected in 
> modern cable Download/Upload splits. 
> 
> 
> YOU may have an 'I need to create' use case, but there are many, many folks 
> that the consumption side is more relevant. 
> 
> Data creation is why computers are so useful? Laughable.
> From: Kurt Buff 
> 
> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:54:47 -0700
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> 
> Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
> 
>  
> 
> Not an Apple hater. I have passed on Android tablets as well. I only own an 
> Android phone because work required it, and am ready to abandon that as well.
> 
> 
> 
> I always presume the need for data creation - it's why computers are so 
> useful, and if you have the ability to create data, you automatically have 
> the ability to consume it.
> 
> The converse isn't true.
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:09, Gary Slinger  wrote:
> 
> Presumes the need for data creation and skips over all the consumption use 
> cases. 
> 
> Kurt's an apple hater. His opinon is taintendly irrelevant.
> 
> From: James Hill 
> 
> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 04:05:44 +
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> 
> Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
> 
>  
> 
> And to me.  The backspace key is my friend!
> 
>  
> 
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 August 2011 2:03 PM
> 
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>  
&g

Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Scot Parsons]

O


From: Jonathan Link
To: NT System Admin Issues
Sent: Wed Aug 24 00:00:59 2011
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

Seriously and demonstrably wrong. He types from his iPad. I wouldn't write a 
novel, short story or essay on it but I've written all but two of my replies to 
you from thi iPad.

On Tuesday, August 23, 2011, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> And to anyone who needs to express thoughts to others beyond the silliness 
> that is 'u gng show night' with any regularity.
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:03, Andrew S. Baker 
> mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> >>The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the supposed advantages.
>>
>> To you.
>>
>> ASB
>> http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker <http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker>
>> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Kurt Buff 
>> mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The benefits and costs of distributing books electronically is not
>>> tied to the use of tablets. You can use a PC to read a PDF or other
>>> digital media just as well as on a tablet, and do much more besides,
>>> given the cost differential - once you take into account the
>>> peripherals needed to make the tablet as useful as a more traditional
>>> laptop or PC. The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the
>>> supposed advantages.
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 18:00, Jonathan Link 
>>> mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> > You're still mostly wooshing here.
>>> >
>>> > Never did I say I bought into these concepts, but this is how it often
>>> > appears to the uninitiated into the arcane art of IT.  I, of course, know
>>> > that mainframes didn't die, but most of the work of the "data processing"
>>> > department was subsumed in many organizations by business units closer to
>>> > the data, and this was accelerated by the adoption of the PC and PC
>>> > networks.
>>> > And have you measured that against the cost of textbooks?  I know a lot of
>>> > administrators are crunching these numbers right now...
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Kurt Buff 
>>> > mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 13:21, Jonathan Link 
>>> >> mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > To put it another way, the data processing group got put out to pasture
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > days gone by was blindsided by the PC revolution.
>>> >>
>>> >> Not really - they just morphed into the IT staff of today - server
>>> >> administrators. And, mainframes haven't disappeared - again, it's the
>>> >> minis that got squeezed. IBM still makes a buncha money on mainframes.
>>> >>
>>> >> > The current generation
>>> >> > of tablets are probably the most compelling piece of technology since
>>> >> > then.
>>> >>
>>> >> Perhaps. I've yet to be convinced.
>>> >>
>>> >> > Teachers and administrators are very interested in tablets because they
>>> >> > believe they offer so much more capability for viewing and distributing
>>> >> > content!
>>> >>
>>> >> The SJRDF is strong, 'tis true. I think the only advantage they show
>>> >> is weight, and a multi-touch screen. For viewing content, a larger
>>> >> screen gives better resolution, and for real distribution you still
>>> >> need the servers on the back end. The capabilities are still lacking,
>>> >> and the price is still too high.
>>> >>
>>> >> Kurt
>>> >>
>>
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Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Andrew S. Baker]

*>>Ditto that a laptop should not supplant a desktop,*

You may not have noticed, but laptop sales have long eclipsed desktop sales,
even though desktops remain capable of much more power than laptops,
particularly at the same price points.


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http://news.techworld.com/sme/3227696/desktop-and-laptop-sales-to-grow-this-year/



Power is not the only consideration in a computing purchase, and is often
not even the *primary *consideration.

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On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> My point is that it's important to have the most capable device first.
> Anything else should come thereafter.
>
> As a much less capable device, a tablet is a luxury, and should not
> replace a computer. Ditto that a laptop should not supplant a desktop,
> and for a company a desktop should not supplant a server where a
> server is needed.
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 21:18, Steven M. Caesare 
> wrote:
> > Many such devices are cheaper than a computer with its all-important
> keyboard.
> >
> > So what is your point?
> >
> > -sc
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:56 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:21, Steven M. Caesare 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> This point seems to be lost on many.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> There are many services to be consumed in this day and age that do not
> require a full “computer”, and for which a complete PC, or even laptop,
> actually can be a disadvantage.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> There’s room for multiple devices in the ecosystem. Has been for some
> time.
> >
> > Only if you can afford them all.
> >
>
>

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Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Andrew S. Baker]

There's more verbal support against dismissing tablets as a viable computing
device for many people -- and businesses.

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On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:40 AM, James Hill wrote:

>   Agreed.  There just appears to be a lot more support for the tablet side
> of the discussion.
>
> ** **
>
> Horses for courses.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 24 August 2011 2:29 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> ** **
>
> I don’t think you’ll find many of the posts here are from proponents who
> are suggesting such.
>
> ** **
>
> The idea is that there are specific usage cases for which they are
> extremely well suited. But that doesn’t obviate the need for a full-blown PC
> or laptop, any more than a moped alleviates the need for an SUV.
>
> ** **
>
> -sc
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Hill [mailto:j.h...@coffeeclub.com.au]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:24 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> ** **
>
> We are creating far more than we ever used to though.  Social networking is
> a big driver of this.  Then add things like bit torrent and non-symmetrical
> internet connections can become an issue.
>
> ** **
>
> Whilst tablets have their place and are increasing in popularity I couldn’t
> imagine working on one all day at %work%.  My productivity would greatly
> diminish as it would for 99% of my users.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 24 August 2011 2:00 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> ** **
>
> You're wrong. I've been at this long enough that I recall split baud rates
> of 1200/75, because we consume so much more than we create. That's reflected
> in modern cable Download/Upload splits.
>
> YOU may have an 'I need to create' use case, but there are many, many folks
> that the consumption side is more relevant.
>
> Data creation is why computers are so useful? Laughable. 
>  ------
>
> *From: *Kurt Buff  
>
> *Date: *Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:54:47 -0700
>
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>
> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues"  >
>
> *Subject: *Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> ** **
>
> Not an Apple hater. I have passed on Android tablets as well. I only own an
> Android phone because work required it, and am ready to abandon that as
> well.
>
> I always presume the need for data creation - it's why computers are so
> useful, and if you have the ability to create data, you automatically have
> the ability to consume it.
>
> The converse isn't true.
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:09, Gary Slinger 
> wrote:
>
> Presumes the need for data creation and skips over all the consumption use
> cases.
>
> Kurt's an apple hater. His opinon is taintendly irrelevant. 
>  --
>
> *From: *James Hill  
>
> *Date: *Tue, 23 Aug 2011 04:05:44 +
>
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>
> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues"  >
>
> *Subject: *RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> ** **
>
> And to me.  The backspace key is my friend!
>
>  
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 23 August 2011 2:03 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
>  
>
> *>>The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the supposed advantages.
> *
>
> To you.
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:**
> **
>
> The benefits and costs of distributing books electronically is not
> tied to the use of tablets. You can use a PC to read a PDF or other
> digital media just as well as on a tablet, and do much more besides,
> given the cost differential - once you take into account the
> peripherals needed to make the tablet as useful as a more traditional
> laptop or PC. The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the
> supposed advantages.
>
> Kurt
>
> On M

Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Andrew S. Baker]

I don't either...At least, not for a few more days.  :)

I went after the HP TouchPad fire sale, because $99 is a price point I'm
willing to entertain *in my own home* for this type of device.  But, it
could easily become my wife's next primary computing device, as she has a
laptop that is getting a little long in the tooth, and her usage pattern
*might* favor such a device.   We'll see.

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On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Steven M. Caesare wrote:

> Interestingly enough I don’t have a tablet.
>
> ** **
>
> I just find the “there’s no compelling reason for them” to be rather
> dismissive of the large groups of people that… well... have found a
> compelling use for them.
>
> ** **
>
> -sc
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Hill [mailto:j.h...@coffeeclub.com.au]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:40 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> ** **
>
> Agreed.  There just appears to be a lot more support for the tablet side of
> the discussion.
>
> ** **
>
> Horses for courses.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 24 August 2011 2:29 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> ** **
>
> I don’t think you’ll find many of the posts here are from proponents who
> are suggesting such.
>
> ** **
>
> The idea is that there are specific usage cases for which they are
> extremely well suited. But that doesn’t obviate the need for a full-blown PC
> or laptop, any more than a moped alleviates the need for an SUV.
>
> ** **
>
> -sc
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Hill [mailto:j.h...@coffeeclub.com.au]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:24 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> ** **
>
> We are creating far more than we ever used to though.  Social networking is
> a big driver of this.  Then add things like bit torrent and non-symmetrical
> internet connections can become an issue.
>
> ** **
>
> Whilst tablets have their place and are increasing in popularity I couldn’t
> imagine working on one all day at %work%.  My productivity would greatly
> diminish as it would for 99% of my users.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 24 August 2011 2:00 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> ** **
>
> You're wrong. I've been at this long enough that I recall split baud rates
> of 1200/75, because we consume so much more than we create. That's reflected
> in modern cable Download/Upload splits.
>
> YOU may have an 'I need to create' use case, but there are many, many folks
> that the consumption side is more relevant.
>
> Data creation is why computers are so useful? Laughable. 
>
> --
>
> *From: *Kurt Buff  
>
> *Date: *Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:54:47 -0700
>
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>
> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues"  >
>
> *Subject: *Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> ** **
>
> Not an Apple hater. I have passed on Android tablets as well. I only own an
> Android phone because work required it, and am ready to abandon that as
> well.
>
>
> I always presume the need for data creation - it's why computers are so
> useful, and if you have the ability to create data, you automatically have
> the ability to consume it.
>
> The converse isn't true.
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:09, Gary Slinger 
> wrote:
>
> Presumes the need for data creation and skips over all the consumption use
> cases.
>
> Kurt's an apple hater. His opinon is taintendly irrelevant. 
> --
>
> *From: *James Hill  
>
> *Date: *Tue, 23 Aug 2011 04:05:44 +
>
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>
> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues"  >
>
> *Subject: *RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> ** **
>
> And to me.  The backspace key is my friend!
>
>  
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 23 August 2011 2:03 PM
> 
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to ser

Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Andrew S. Baker]

*>>We are creating far more than we ever used to though*


I hesitate to call much of that content *creation*.   At best, many people
are pushing around content to lots of other people made by only a few
people.

Just take this list, for example.  The growth in traffic is attributable to
a small number of subscribers, on the whole, and this growth is consumed by
a much larger group.

No matter what the growth of content, the ratio of consumers to producers is
not shrinking appreciably, even if you count - pseudo producers.

Add to that, the tools for creation and distribution are becoming more
sophisticated and yet simpler to use, that they are being used on different
devices than before.


*>>Social networking is a big driver of this. *

And think of how many people manage their social media from their
smartphones...

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On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:24 AM, James Hill wrote:

>  We are creating far more than we ever used to though.  Social networking
> is a big driver of this.  Then add things like bit torrent and
> non-symmetrical internet connections can become an issue.
>
> ** **
>
> Whilst tablets have their place and are increasing in popularity I couldn’t
> imagine working on one all day at %work%.  My productivity would greatly
> diminish as it would for 99% of my users.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 24 August 2011 2:00 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> ** **
>
> You're wrong. I've been at this long enough that I recall split baud rates
> of 1200/75, because we consume so much more than we create. That's reflected
> in modern cable Download/Upload splits.
>
> YOU may have an 'I need to create' use case, but there are many, many folks
> that the consumption side is more relevant.
>
> Data creation is why computers are so useful? Laughable. 
>
>  --
>
> *From: *Kurt Buff  
>
> *Date: *Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:54:47 -0700
>
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>
> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues"  >
>
> *Subject: *Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> ** **
>
> Not an Apple hater. I have passed on Android tablets as well. I only own an
> Android phone because work required it, and am ready to abandon that as
> well.
>
>
> I always presume the need for data creation - it's why computers are so
> useful, and if you have the ability to create data, you automatically have
> the ability to consume it.
>
> The converse isn't true.
>
>  On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:09, Gary Slinger 
> wrote:
>
> Presumes the need for data creation and skips over all the consumption use
> cases.
>
> Kurt's an apple hater. His opinon is taintendly irrelevant. 
>  --
>
> *From: *James Hill  
>
> *Date: *Tue, 23 Aug 2011 04:05:44 +
>
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>
> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues"  >
>
> *Subject: *RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> ** **
>
> And to me.  The backspace key is my friend!
>
>  
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 23 August 2011 2:03 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
>  
>
> *>>The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the supposed advantages.
> *
>
> To you.
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:**
> **
>
> The benefits and costs of distributing books electronically is not
> tied to the use of tablets. You can use a PC to read a PDF or other
> digital media just as well as on a tablet, and do much more besides,
> given the cost differential - once you take into account the
> peripherals needed to make the tablet as useful as a more traditional
> laptop or PC. The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the
> supposed advantages.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 18:00, Jonathan Link 
> wrote:
> > You're still mostly wooshing here.
> >
> > Never did I say I bought into these concepts, but this is how it often
> > appears to the uninitiated into the arcane art of IT. 

Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Andrew S. Baker]

*>>Only if you can afford them all.*

No one said that any single individual needed to own the entire ecosystem.


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On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:21, Steven M. Caesare 
> wrote:
> >
> > This point seems to be lost on many.
> >
> >
> >
> > There are many services to be consumed in this day and age that do not
> require a full “computer”, and for which a complete PC, or even laptop,
> actually can be a disadvantage.
> >
> >
> >
> > There’s room for multiple devices in the ecosystem. Has been for some
> time.
>
> Only if you can afford them all.
>
>

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Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Andrew S. Baker]

Again, you're largely extrapolating a personal preference into a global
phenomenon.

There are a variety of tools, including Swype, which exist to make it easy
to post long documents if you really need to, from a device like a smart
phone, much less a tablet.

Your personal preference does not indicate viability, nor will it inhibit
adoption.

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Sent from my Motorola Droid via Swype
 On Aug 23, 2011 11:51 PM, "Kurt Buff"  wrote:
> And to anyone who needs to express thoughts to others beyond the silliness
> that is 'u gng show night' with any regularity.
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:03, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
>
>> *>>The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the supposed
advantages.
>> *
>>
>> To you.
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
>> Technology for the SMB market…
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>>> The benefits and costs of distributing books electronically is not
>>> tied to the use of tablets. You can use a PC to read a PDF or other
>>> digital media just as well as on a tablet, and do much more besides,
>>> given the cost differential - once you take into account the
>>> peripherals needed to make the tablet as useful as a more traditional
>>> laptop or PC. The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the
>>> supposed advantages.
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 18:00, Jonathan Link 
>>> wrote:
>>> > You're still mostly wooshing here.
>>> >
>>> > Never did I say I bought into these concepts, but this is how it often
>>> > appears to the uninitiated into the arcane art of IT. I, of course,
>>> know
>>> > that mainframes didn't die, but most of the work of the "data
>>> processing"
>>> > department was subsumed in many organizations by business units closer
>>> to
>>> > the data, and this was accelerated by the adoption of the PC and PC
>>> > networks.
>>> > And have you measured that against the cost of textbooks? I know a lot
>>> of
>>> > administrators are crunching these numbers right now...
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Kurt Buff 
wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 13:21, Jonathan Link 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > To put it another way, the data processing group got put out to
>>> pasture
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > days gone by was blindsided by the PC revolution.
>>> >>
>>> >> Not really - they just morphed into the IT staff of today - server
>>> >> administrators. And, mainframes haven't disappeared - again, it's the
>>> >> minis that got squeezed. IBM still makes a buncha money on
mainframes.
>>> >>
>>> >> > The current generation
>>> >> > of tablets are probably the most compelling piece of technology
since
>>> >> > then.
>>> >>
>>> >> Perhaps. I've yet to be convinced.
>>> >>
>>> >> > Teachers and administrators are very interested in tablets because
>>> they
>>> >> > believe they offer so much more capability for viewing and
>>> distributing
>>> >> > content!
>>> >>
>>> >> The SJRDF is strong, 'tis true. I think the only advantage they show
>>> >> is weight, and a multi-touch screen. For viewing content, a larger
>>> >> screen gives better resolution, and for real distribution you still
>>> >> need the servers on the back end. The capabilities are still lacking,
>>> >> and the price is still too high.
>>> >>
>>> >> Kurt
>>> >>
>>>
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Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Andrew S. Baker]

There you go again, confusing *your* needs with the needs of the vast
majority of consumers (both corporate and personal)

Smartphones are also inhibited when it comes to content creation.  Doesn't
appear to be stopping their momentum in any way:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2379665,00.asp

Even if the views you expressed were true for every single techie on the
planet (and, I assure you that they are not), it would still be dwarfed by
the vast majority of people that populate the earth, have disposable income,
and are not techies.

Also, new use cases will always spring up once devices of a certain form
factor gain some traction.

It's coming...  you can lead, or you can follow, but it is coming to an
office near you -- and soon.

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On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> I strongly disagree. The ability to manipulate content is a very big
> issue, which is why a keyboard is so very important. IMNSHO, a
> keyboard is even more important than a pointing device, because it
> allows one to express in words.
>
> The tablet paradigm (if I can use such high-falutin' words) is to
> transform the people into little more than passive consumers.
>
> Reading is fundamental (to coin a phrase), but computers are so very
> much more useful than mere output devices.
>
> Sure, as a simple adjunct to a PC a tablet has some uses, and at a
> cheap enough price I'll consider getting one, but it's a fundamentally
> crippled device.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 20:52, Jonathan Link 
> wrote:
> > Very well. iPhone thread.
> >
> > On point. Books are content. The ability to manipulate the content isn't
> the
> > issue. Being able to deliver it easily is. That being said I'm writing
> this
> > response lying flat on my back in bed because I wanted to check my mail
> > before turning in. Do all that on a PC under the same conditions and we
> can
> > talk.
> >
> > On Monday, August 22, 2011, Kurt Buff  wrote:
> >> The benefits and costs of distributing books electronically is not
> >> tied to the use of tablets. You can use a PC to read a PDF or other
> >> digital media just as well as on a tablet, and do much more besides,
> >> given the cost differential - once you take into account the
> >> peripherals needed to make the tablet as useful as a more traditional
> >> laptop or PC. The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the
> >> supposed advantages.
> >>
> >> Kurt
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 18:00, Jonathan Link 
> >> wrote:
> >>> You're still mostly wooshing here.
> >>>
> >>> Never did I say I bought into these concepts, but this is how it often
> >>> appears to the uninitiated into the arcane art of IT.  I, of course,
> know
> >>> that mainframes didn't die, but most of the work of the "data
> processing"
> >>> department was subsumed in many organizations by business units closer
> to
> >>> the data, and this was accelerated by the adoption of the PC and PC
> >>> networks.
> >>> And have you measured that against the cost of textbooks?  I know a lot
> >>> of
> >>> administrators are crunching these numbers right now...
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Kurt Buff 
> wrote:
> 
>  On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 13:21, Jonathan Link  >
>  wrote:
>  > To put it another way, the data processing group got put out to
>  > pasture
>  > of
>  > days gone by was blindsided by the PC revolution.
> 
>  Not really - they just morphed into the IT staff of today - server
>  administrators. And, mainframes haven't disappeared - again, it's the
>  minis that got squeezed. IBM still makes a buncha money on mainframes.
> 
>  > The current generation
>  > of tablets are probably the most compelling piece of technology
> since
>  > then.
> 
>  Perhaps. I've yet to be convinced.
> 
>  > Teachers and administrators are very interested in tablets because
>  > they
>  > believe they offer so much more capability for viewing and
>  > distributing
>  > content!
> 
>  The SJRDF is strong, 'tis true. I think the only advantage they show
>  is weight, and a multi-touch screen. For viewing content, a larger
>  screen gives better resolution, and for real distribution you still
>  need the servers on the back end. The capabilities are still lacking,
>  and the price is still too high.
> 
>  Kurt
>

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Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Jonathan Link]

Actually, to be absolutely candid, it is a discussion about making bold
assertions without being able to to support them.  Because one doesn't find
utility in a device doesn't mean that others can't find utility. To say
something is crippled because it meet some arbitrary requirement is silly.

On Wednesday, August 24, 2011, James Hill  wrote:
> Agreed.  There just appears to be a lot more support for the tablet side
of the discussion.
>
>
>
> Horses for courses.
>
>
>
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2011 2:29 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
>
>
> I don’t think you’ll find many of the posts here are from proponents who
are suggesting such.
>
>
>
> The idea is that there are specific usage cases for which they are
extremely well suited. But that doesn’t obviate the need for a full-blown PC
or laptop, any more than a moped alleviates the need for an SUV.
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> From: James Hill [mailto:j.h...@coffeeclub.com.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:24 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
>
>
> We are creating far more than we ever used to though.  Social networking
is a big driver of this.  Then add things like bit torrent and
non-symmetrical internet connections can become an issue.
>
>
>
> Whilst tablets have their place and are increasing in popularity I
couldn’t imagine working on one all day at %work%.  My productivity would
greatly diminish as it would for 99% of my users.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2011 2:00 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
>
>
> You're wrong. I've been at this long enough that I recall split baud rates
of 1200/75, because we consume so much more than we create. That's reflected
in modern cable Download/Upload splits.
>
> YOU may have an 'I need to create' use case, but there are many, many
folks that the consumption side is more relevant.
>
> Data creation is why computers are so useful? Laughable.
>
> ____
>
> From: Kurt Buff 
>
> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:54:47 -0700
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
>
> Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
>
>
> Not an Apple hater. I have passed on Android tablets as well. I only own
an Android phone because work required it, and am ready to abandon that as
well.
>
> I always presume the need for data creation - it's why computers are so
useful, and if you have the ability to create data, you automatically have
the ability to consume it.
>
> The converse isn't true.
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:09, Gary Slinger 
wrote:
>
> Presumes the need for data creation and skips over all the consumption use
cases.
>
> Kurt's an apple hater. His opinon is taintendly irrelevant.
>
> 
>
> From: James Hill 
>
> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 04:05:44 +
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
>
> Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
>
>
> And to me.  The backspace key is my friend!
>
>
>
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 August 2011 2:03 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
>
>
>>>The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the supposed advantages.
>
> To you.
>
> ASB
>
> http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
>
> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
> The benefits and costs of distributing books electronically is not
> tied to the use of tablets. You can use a PC to read a PDF or other
> digital media just as well as on a tablet, and do much more besides,
> given the cost differential - once you take into account the
> peripherals needed to make the tablet as useful as a more traditional
> laptop or PC. The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the
> supposed advantages.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 18:00, Jonathan Link 
wrote:
>> You're still mostly wooshing here.
>>
>> Never did I say I bought into these concepts, but this is how it often
>> appears to the uninitiated into the arcane art of IT.  I, of course, know
>> that mainframes didn't die, but most 

Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Kurt Buff]

My point is that it's important to have the most capable device first.
Anything else should come thereafter.

As a much less capable device, a tablet is a luxury, and should not
replace a computer. Ditto that a laptop should not supplant a desktop,
and for a company a desktop should not supplant a server where a
server is needed.

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 21:18, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
> Many such devices are cheaper than a computer with its all-important keyboard.
>
> So what is your point?
>
> -sc
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:56 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:21, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
>>
>> This point seems to be lost on many.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are many services to be consumed in this day and age that do not 
>> require a full “computer”, and for which a complete PC, or even laptop, 
>> actually can be a disadvantage.
>>
>>
>>
>> There’s room for multiple devices in the ecosystem. Has been for some time.
>
> Only if you can afford them all.
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RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Steven M. Caesare]

"Right thing to add" for what scenario?

Sounds a bit like a global assertion for perhaps a narrow usage case.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:34 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

This starts to point the way, but while the keyboard is the right thing to add, 
it's *way* too expensive:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/238645/lenovo_thinkpad_tablet_hits_the_market.html

Kurt

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 15:53, James Hill  wrote:
>
> I don’t doubt that they will.
>
>
>
> What I’m concerned about is having the right tools available to centrally 
> manage these devices.  We only have about 10 ipads and they are a PITA simply 
> because we don’t have the tools to centrally manage them.  iOS updates are 
> reasonably frequent (and necessary) and when you want to apply this or deploy 
> an app it’s a manual process.
>
>
>
> Consumer devices have penetrated into business to the point where they are 
> the preferred option.  It’s not just Apple products either, Windows Phone has 
> the same non central management issues.  There is no tool to centrally manage 
> it yet either.  I believe it is coming with V-Next but so is Christmas.
>
>
>
> It reminds me of the pre SOE days where it was a nightmare to manage large 
> environments.  We started locking things down, standardising and using tools 
> to automate processes.  The difference now is that we have a far more tech 
> savvy (or at least tech eager) customer.
>
>
>
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2011 12:35 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
>
>
> The non-PC devices in my house are growing...
>
> I've still got more desktop/server/laptop devices for now, but that is 
> steadily changing.   Plus, my house is not typical even from a PC standpoint 
> (I have twice as many computing devices as people).
>
> As soon as tablets routinely hit the $250-400 price range, they will decimate 
> laptop and netbook adoption.  In fact, netbook adoption is starting to 
> suffer, as these are simply competing with notebooks which are more powerful. 
>  A tablet, at least, offers new options for computing, which are more 
> convenient than a netbook or laptop.   And better battery life in many cases.
>
> ASB
>
> http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
>
> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Steven M. Caesare  
> wrote:
>
> True.
>
>
>
> Unlike time past, where a file was expected to be some PC-centric thing (a 
> Word doc, spreadsheet, configuration file, etc…) Everything is a file these 
> days:
>
>
>
> You music? Check.
>
>
>
> Movies? Check
>
>
>
> Pictures? Check.
>
>
>
>
>
> Heck, I suspect most people have more _NON-PC_ devices consuming files 
> than PC’s these days…
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:24 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
>
>
>
>
> Accessing documents is a "PC thing"?
>
> Is email a PC thing?  What about web browsing?
>
> It's not like the request was to create 3D movies via a tablet, which one 
> could argue is more of a PC thing...
>
> -ASB: http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
>
> Sent from my Motorola Droid
>
> On Aug 23, 2011 8:30 AM, "John Hornbuckle"  
> wrote:
> > Agreed. Which was my point very early in this thread-we need to pick the 
> > right tool for the right job. What started this discussion was essentially 
> > a question of how to get an iPad to do PC stuff, which implies that maybe 
> > the iPad isn't the right tool for that particular job.
> >
> > I'm a Disney junkie, so I found this interesting:
> >
>
> > www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE8PvsRqjkg<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n
> > E8PvsRqjkg>
>
> >
> > It's a good use of iPads in design and construction.
> >
> > But for all the talk of tablets "replacing" PCs, this video shows that 
> > we're not there yet. Watch closely, and you'll see that the video opens 
> > showing an Imagineer's iPad sitting on top of his PC.
> >
> > And not just any PC, but a laptop-the specific devices that tablets are 
> > said to be rapidly displacing.
> >
> > Of course, he's also running Windows XP. So I have my doubts about 
> &

RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[James Hill]

Agreed.  There just appears to be a lot more support for the tablet side of the 
discussion.

Horses for courses.

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2011 2:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

I don’t think you’ll find many of the posts here are from proponents who are 
suggesting such.

The idea is that there are specific usage cases for which they are extremely 
well suited. But that doesn’t obviate the need for a full-blown PC or laptop, 
any more than a moped alleviates the need for an SUV.

-sc

From: James Hill 
[mailto:j.h...@coffeeclub.com.au]<mailto:[mailto:j.h...@coffeeclub.com.au]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

We are creating far more than we ever used to though.  Social networking is a 
big driver of this.  Then add things like bit torrent and non-symmetrical 
internet connections can become an issue.

Whilst tablets have their place and are increasing in popularity I couldn’t 
imagine working on one all day at %work%.  My productivity would greatly 
diminish as it would for 99% of my users.


From: Gary Slinger 
[mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2011 2:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

You're wrong. I've been at this long enough that I recall split baud rates of 
1200/75, because we consume so much more than we create. That's reflected in 
modern cable Download/Upload splits.

YOU may have an 'I need to create' use case, but there are many, many folks 
that the consumption side is more relevant.

Data creation is why computers are so useful? Laughable.

From: Kurt Buff mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>>
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:54:47 -0700
To: NT System Admin 
Issuesmailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

Not an Apple hater. I have passed on Android tablets as well. I only own an 
Android phone because work required it, and am ready to abandon that as well.

I always presume the need for data creation - it's why computers are so useful, 
and if you have the ability to create data, you automatically have the ability 
to consume it.

The converse isn't true.
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:09, Gary Slinger 
mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Presumes the need for data creation and skips over all the consumption use 
cases.

Kurt's an apple hater. His opinon is taintendly irrelevant.

From: James Hill mailto:j.h...@coffeeclub.com.au>>
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 04:05:44 +
To: NT System Admin 
Issuesmailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

And to me.  The backspace key is my friend!

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, 23 August 2011 2:03 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

>>The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the supposed advantages.

To you.
ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…


On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The benefits and costs of distributing books electronically is not
tied to the use of tablets. You can use a PC to read a PDF or other
digital media just as well as on a tablet, and do much more besides,
given the cost differential - once you take into account the
peripherals needed to make the tablet as useful as a more traditional
laptop or PC. The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the
supposed advantages.

Kurt

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 18:00, Jonathan Link 
mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> You're still mostly wooshing here.
>
> Never did I say I bought into these concepts, but this is how it often
> appears to the uninitiated into the arcane art of IT.  I, of course, know
> that mainframes didn't die, but most of the work of the "data processing"
> department was subsumed in many organizations by business units closer to
> the data, and this was accelerated by the adoption of the PC and PC
> networks.
> And have you measured that against the cost of textbooks?  I know a lot of
> administrators are crunching these numbers right now...
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Kurt Buff 
> mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> On M

Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Kurt Buff]

This starts to point the way, but while the keyboard is the right
thing to add, it's *way* too expensive:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/238645/lenovo_thinkpad_tablet_hits_the_market.html

Kurt

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 15:53, James Hill  wrote:
>
> I don’t doubt that they will.
>
>
>
> What I’m concerned about is having the right tools available to centrally 
> manage these devices.  We only have about 10 ipads and they are a PITA simply 
> because we don’t have the tools to centrally manage them.  iOS updates are 
> reasonably frequent (and necessary) and when you want to apply this or deploy 
> an app it’s a manual process.
>
>
>
> Consumer devices have penetrated into business to the point where they are 
> the preferred option.  It’s not just Apple products either, Windows Phone has 
> the same non central management issues.  There is no tool to centrally manage 
> it yet either.  I believe it is coming with V-Next but so is Christmas.
>
>
>
> It reminds me of the pre SOE days where it was a nightmare to manage large 
> environments.  We started locking things down, standardising and using tools 
> to automate processes.  The difference now is that we have a far more tech 
> savvy (or at least tech eager) customer.
>
>
>
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2011 12:35 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
>
>
> The non-PC devices in my house are growing...
>
> I've still got more desktop/server/laptop devices for now, but that is 
> steadily changing.   Plus, my house is not typical even from a PC standpoint 
> (I have twice as many computing devices as people).
>
> As soon as tablets routinely hit the $250-400 price range, they will decimate 
> laptop and netbook adoption.  In fact, netbook adoption is starting to 
> suffer, as these are simply competing with notebooks which are more powerful. 
>  A tablet, at least, offers new options for computing, which are more 
> convenient than a netbook or laptop.   And better battery life in many cases.
>
> ASB
>
> http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
>
> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Steven M. Caesare  
> wrote:
>
> True.
>
>
>
> Unlike time past, where a file was expected to be some PC-centric thing (a 
> Word doc, spreadsheet, configuration file, etc…) Everything is a file these 
> days:
>
>
>
> You music? Check.
>
>
>
> Movies? Check
>
>
>
> Pictures? Check.
>
>
>
>
>
> Heck, I suspect most people have more _NON-PC_ devices consuming files than 
> PC’s these days…
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:24 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
>
>
>
>
> Accessing documents is a "PC thing"?
>
> Is email a PC thing?  What about web browsing?
>
> It's not like the request was to create 3D movies via a tablet, which one 
> could argue is more of a PC thing...
>
> -ASB: http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
>
> Sent from my Motorola Droid
>
> On Aug 23, 2011 8:30 AM, "John Hornbuckle"  
> wrote:
> > Agreed. Which was my point very early in this thread-we need to pick the 
> > right tool for the right job. What started this discussion was essentially 
> > a question of how to get an iPad to do PC stuff, which implies that maybe 
> > the iPad isn't the right tool for that particular job.
> >
> > I'm a Disney junkie, so I found this interesting:
> >
>
> > www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE8PvsRqjkg<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE8PvsRqjkg>
>
> >
> > It's a good use of iPads in design and construction.
> >
> > But for all the talk of tablets "replacing" PCs, this video shows that 
> > we're not there yet. Watch closely, and you'll see that the video opens 
> > showing an Imagineer's iPad sitting on top of his PC.
> >
> > And not just any PC, but a laptop-the specific devices that tablets are 
> > said to be rapidly displacing.
> >
> > Of course, he's also running Windows XP. So I have my doubts about how 
> > technologically progressive WDI is. :)
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:21 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> > Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Gary Slinger]

Yeah, that :)

-Original Message-
From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 00:26:37 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote 
access to server shares

And ADSL, and async cable modem plans. And FIOS plans, etc…

 

Heck, the entire “consuming” side of the web is based on the user supplying a 
few characters of a URL. and then receiving significantly more content in 
return. After than it’s largely mouse clicks, or it’s tablet equivalent.

 

-sc

 

From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

 

You're wrong. I've been at this long enough that I recall split baud rates of 
1200/75, because we consume so much more than we create. That's reflected in 
modern cable Download/Upload splits. 

YOU may have an 'I need to create' use case, but there are many, many folks 
that the consumption side is more relevant. 

Data creation is why computers are so useful? Laughable. 



From: Kurt Buff  

Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:54:47 -0700

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 

Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

 

Not an Apple hater. I have passed on Android tablets as well. I only own an 
Android phone because work required it, and am ready to abandon that as well.

I always presume the need for data creation - it's why computers are so useful, 
and if you have the ability to create data, you automatically have the ability 
to consume it.

The converse isn't true.

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:09, Gary Slinger  wrote:

Presumes the need for data creation and skips over all the consumption use 
cases. 

Kurt's an apple hater. His opinon is taintendly irrelevant. 



From: James Hill  

Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 04:05:44 +

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 

Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

 

And to me.  The backspace key is my friend!

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 23 August 2011 2:03 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

 

>>The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the supposed advantages.

To you.


ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…

 

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

The benefits and costs of distributing books electronically is not
tied to the use of tablets. You can use a PC to read a PDF or other
digital media just as well as on a tablet, and do much more besides,
given the cost differential - once you take into account the
peripherals needed to make the tablet as useful as a more traditional
laptop or PC. The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the
supposed advantages.

Kurt

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 18:00, Jonathan Link  wrote:
> You're still mostly wooshing here.
>
> Never did I say I bought into these concepts, but this is how it often
> appears to the uninitiated into the arcane art of IT.  I, of course, know
> that mainframes didn't die, but most of the work of the "data processing"
> department was subsumed in many organizations by business units closer to
> the data, and this was accelerated by the adoption of the PC and PC
> networks.
> And have you measured that against the cost of textbooks?  I know a lot of
> administrators are crunching these numbers right now...
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 13:21, Jonathan Link 
>> wrote:
>> > To put it another way, the data processing group got put out to pasture
>> > of
>> > days gone by was blindsided by the PC revolution.
>>
>> Not really - they just morphed into the IT staff of today - server
>> administrators. And, mainframes haven't disappeared - again, it's the
>> minis that got squeezed. IBM still makes a buncha money on mainframes.
>>
>> > The current generation
>> > of tablets are probably the most compelling piece of technology since
>> > then.
>>
>> Perhaps. I've yet to be convinced.
>>
>> > Teachers and administrators are very interested in tablets because they
>> > believe they offer so much more capability for viewing and distributing
>> > content!
>>
>> The SJRDF is strong, 'tis true. I think the only advantage they show
>> is weight, and a multi-touch screen. For viewing content, a larger
>> screen gives better resolution, and for real distribution you still
>> need the servers

RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Steven M. Caesare]

There are a bazillion use cases for consuming content.

Books, magazines, and clay tablets haven't come with input devices for eons.

Nevertheless, a tablet does provide for input, allowing for even those use 
cases that are primarily consumptive to provide input (adding a word to a 
dictionary, typing a URL, email a link, filling out a form, etc...)

> a fundamentally crippled device

Only inasmuch as a hammer is a crippled device when you have screws it's 
just dandy for nails, however.

-sc



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Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

I strongly disagree. The ability to manipulate content is a very big issue, 
which is why a keyboard is so very important. IMNSHO, a keyboard is even more 
important than a pointing device, because it allows one to express in words.

The tablet paradigm (if I can use such high-falutin' words) is to transform the 
people into little more than passive consumers.

Reading is fundamental (to coin a phrase), but computers are so very much more 
useful than mere output devices.

Sure, as a simple adjunct to a PC a tablet has some uses, and at a cheap enough 
price I'll consider getting one, but it's a fundamentally crippled device.

Kurt

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 20:52, Jonathan Link  wrote:
> Very well. iPhone thread.
>
> On point. Books are content. The ability to manipulate the content 
> isn't the issue. Being able to deliver it easily is. That being said 
> I'm writing this response lying flat on my back in bed because I 
> wanted to check my mail before turning in. Do all that on a PC under 
> the same conditions and we can talk.
>
> On Monday, August 22, 2011, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>> The benefits and costs of distributing books electronically is not 
>> tied to the use of tablets. You can use a PC to read a PDF or other 
>> digital media just as well as on a tablet, and do much more besides, 
>> given the cost differential - once you take into account the 
>> peripherals needed to make the tablet as useful as a more traditional 
>> laptop or PC. The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the 
>> supposed advantages.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 18:00, Jonathan Link 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>> You're still mostly wooshing here.
>>>
>>> Never did I say I bought into these concepts, but this is how it 
>>> often appears to the uninitiated into the arcane art of IT.  I, of 
>>> course, know that mainframes didn't die, but most of the work of the "data 
>>> processing"
>>> department was subsumed in many organizations by business units 
>>> closer to the data, and this was accelerated by the adoption of the 
>>> PC and PC networks.
>>> And have you measured that against the cost of textbooks?  I know a 
>>> lot of administrators are crunching these numbers right now...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 13:21, Jonathan Link 
>>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > To put it another way, the data processing group got put out to 
>>>> > pasture of days gone by was blindsided by the PC revolution.
>>>>
>>>> Not really - they just morphed into the IT staff of today - server 
>>>> administrators. And, mainframes haven't disappeared - again, it's 
>>>> the minis that got squeezed. IBM still makes a buncha money on mainframes.
>>>>
>>>> > The current generation
>>>> > of tablets are probably the most compelling piece of technology 
>>>> > since then.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps. I've yet to be convinced.
>>>>
>>>> > Teachers and administrators are very interested in tablets 
>>>> > because they believe they offer so much more capability for 
>>>> > viewing and distributing content!
>>>>
>>>> The SJRDF is strong, 'tis true. I think the only advantage they 
>>>> show is weight, and a multi-touch screen. For viewing content, a 
>>>> larger screen gives better resolution, and for real distribution 
>>>> you still need the servers on the back end. The capabilities are 
>>>> still lacking, and the price is still too high.
>>>>
>>>> Kurt
>>>>
>>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ 
>>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>&

Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Kurt Buff]

I don't read on my back, nor use a computer that way, so can't say.

I don't let my toddler touch the keyboard nor anything electronic,
aside from a few books that have some buttons and sound chips in them.
Once he's gained more motor control and cognitive ability I will
change that, and it'll most likely have a keyboard.

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 07:19, Jonathan Link  wrote:
> On your back?  Holding it like a book above your head?
> Let your toddler have at it, too?
>
> I'm sorry, a netbook is nice, but it's a bit too much like a computer to
> make it convenient in bed, IMO.  And the form factor/screen resolution is
> usually suboptimal...
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> Yawn.
>>
>> I do that on my netbook (an older Acer Aspire One) all the time.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 20:52, Jonathan Link 
>> wrote:
>> > Very well. iPhone thread.
>> >
>> > On point. Books are content. The ability to manipulate the content isn't
>> > the
>> > issue. Being able to deliver it easily is. That being said I'm writing
>> > this
>> > response lying flat on my back in bed because I wanted to check my mail
>> > before turning in. Do all that on a PC under the same conditions and we
>> > can
>> > talk.
>> >
>> > On Monday, August 22, 2011, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>> >> The benefits and costs of distributing books electronically is not
>> >> tied to the use of tablets. You can use a PC to read a PDF or other
>> >> digital media just as well as on a tablet, and do much more besides,
>> >> given the cost differential - once you take into account the
>> >> peripherals needed to make the tablet as useful as a more traditional
>> >> laptop or PC. The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the
>> >> supposed advantages.
>> >>
>> >> Kurt
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 18:00, Jonathan Link 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> You're still mostly wooshing here.
>> >>>
>> >>> Never did I say I bought into these concepts, but this is how it often
>> >>> appears to the uninitiated into the arcane art of IT.  I, of course,
>> >>> know
>> >>> that mainframes didn't die, but most of the work of the "data
>> >>> processing"
>> >>> department was subsumed in many organizations by business units closer
>> >>> to
>> >>> the data, and this was accelerated by the adoption of the PC and PC
>> >>> networks.
>> >>> And have you measured that against the cost of textbooks?  I know a
>> >>> lot
>> >>> of
>> >>> administrators are crunching these numbers right now...
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Kurt Buff 
>> >>> wrote:
>> 
>>  On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 13:21, Jonathan Link
>>  
>>  wrote:
>>  > To put it another way, the data processing group got put out to
>>  > pasture
>>  > of
>>  > days gone by was blindsided by the PC revolution.
>> 
>>  Not really - they just morphed into the IT staff of today - server
>>  administrators. And, mainframes haven't disappeared - again, it's the
>>  minis that got squeezed. IBM still makes a buncha money on
>>  mainframes.
>> 
>>  > The current generation
>>  > of tablets are probably the most compelling piece of technology
>>  > since
>>  > then.
>> 
>>  Perhaps. I've yet to be convinced.
>> 
>>  > Teachers and administrators are very interested in tablets because
>>  > they
>>  > believe they offer so much more capability for viewing and
>>  > distributing
>>  > content!
>> 
>>  The SJRDF is strong, 'tis true. I think the only advantage they show
>>  is weight, and a multi-touch screen. For viewing content, a larger
>>  screen gives better resolution, and for real distribution you still
>>  need the servers on the back end. The capabilities are still lacking,
>>  and the price is still too high.
>> 
>>  Kurt
>> 
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RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Steven M. Caesare]

Many such devices are cheaper than a computer with its all-important keyboard.

So what is your point?

-sc

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Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:56 PM
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Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:21, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
>
> This point seems to be lost on many.
>
>
>
> There are many services to be consumed in this day and age that do not 
> require a full “computer”, and for which a complete PC, or even laptop, 
> actually can be a disadvantage.
>
>
>
> There’s room for multiple devices in the ecosystem. Has been for some time.

Only if you can afford them all.

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Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Jonathan Link]

Seriously and demonstrably wrong. He types from his iPad. I wouldn't write a
novel, short story or essay on it but I've written all but two of my replies
to you from thi iPad.

On Tuesday, August 23, 2011, Kurt Buff  wrote:
> And to anyone who needs to express thoughts to others beyond the silliness
that is 'u gng show night' with any regularity.
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:03, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
>>
>> >>The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the supposed advantages.
>>
>> To you.
>>
>> ASB
>> http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker 
>> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>>
>>> The benefits and costs of distributing books electronically is not
>>> tied to the use of tablets. You can use a PC to read a PDF or other
>>> digital media just as well as on a tablet, and do much more besides,
>>> given the cost differential - once you take into account the
>>> peripherals needed to make the tablet as useful as a more traditional
>>> laptop or PC. The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the
>>> supposed advantages.
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 18:00, Jonathan Link 
wrote:
>>> > You're still mostly wooshing here.
>>> >
>>> > Never did I say I bought into these concepts, but this is how it often
>>> > appears to the uninitiated into the arcane art of IT.  I, of course,
know
>>> > that mainframes didn't die, but most of the work of the "data
processing"
>>> > department was subsumed in many organizations by business units closer
to
>>> > the data, and this was accelerated by the adoption of the PC and PC
>>> > networks.
>>> > And have you measured that against the cost of textbooks?  I know a
lot of
>>> > administrators are crunching these numbers right now...
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Kurt Buff 
wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 13:21, Jonathan Link 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > To put it another way, the data processing group got put out to
pasture
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > days gone by was blindsided by the PC revolution.
>>> >>
>>> >> Not really - they just morphed into the IT staff of today - server
>>> >> administrators. And, mainframes haven't disappeared - again, it's the
>>> >> minis that got squeezed. IBM still makes a buncha money on
mainframes.
>>> >>
>>> >> > The current generation
>>> >> > of tablets are probably the most compelling piece of technology
since
>>> >> > then.
>>> >>
>>> >> Perhaps. I've yet to be convinced.
>>> >>
>>> >> > Teachers and administrators are very interested in tablets because
they
>>> >> > believe they offer so much more capability for viewing and
distributing
>>> >> > content!
>>> >>
>>> >> The SJRDF is strong, 'tis true. I think the only advantage they show
>>> >> is weight, and a multi-touch screen. For viewing content, a larger
>>> >> screen gives better resolution, and for real distribution you still
>>> >> need the servers on the back end. The capabilities are still lacking,
>>> >> and the price is still too high.
>>> >>
>>> >> Kurt
>>> >>
>>
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Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Kurt Buff]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:21, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
>
> This point seems to be lost on many.
>
>
>
> There are many services to be consumed in this day and age that do not 
> require a full “computer”, and for which a complete PC, or even laptop, 
> actually can be a disadvantage.
>
>
>
> There’s room for multiple devices in the ecosystem. Has been for some time.

Only if you can afford them all.

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Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Kurt Buff]

And to anyone who needs to express thoughts to others beyond the silliness
that is 'u gng show night' with any regularity.

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:03, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> *>>The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the supposed advantages.
> *
>
> To you.
>
> * *
>
> *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
> Technology for the SMB market…
>
> *
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
>> The benefits and costs of distributing books electronically is not
>> tied to the use of tablets. You can use a PC to read a PDF or other
>> digital media just as well as on a tablet, and do much more besides,
>> given the cost differential - once you take into account the
>> peripherals needed to make the tablet as useful as a more traditional
>> laptop or PC. The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the
>> supposed advantages.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 18:00, Jonathan Link 
>> wrote:
>> > You're still mostly wooshing here.
>> >
>> > Never did I say I bought into these concepts, but this is how it often
>> > appears to the uninitiated into the arcane art of IT.  I, of course,
>> know
>> > that mainframes didn't die, but most of the work of the "data
>> processing"
>> > department was subsumed in many organizations by business units closer
>> to
>> > the data, and this was accelerated by the adoption of the PC and PC
>> > networks.
>> > And have you measured that against the cost of textbooks?  I know a lot
>> of
>> > administrators are crunching these numbers right now...
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 13:21, Jonathan Link 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > To put it another way, the data processing group got put out to
>> pasture
>> >> > of
>> >> > days gone by was blindsided by the PC revolution.
>> >>
>> >> Not really - they just morphed into the IT staff of today - server
>> >> administrators. And, mainframes haven't disappeared - again, it's the
>> >> minis that got squeezed. IBM still makes a buncha money on mainframes.
>> >>
>> >> > The current generation
>> >> > of tablets are probably the most compelling piece of technology since
>> >> > then.
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps. I've yet to be convinced.
>> >>
>> >> > Teachers and administrators are very interested in tablets because
>> they
>> >> > believe they offer so much more capability for viewing and
>> distributing
>> >> > content!
>> >>
>> >> The SJRDF is strong, 'tis true. I think the only advantage they show
>> >> is weight, and a multi-touch screen. For viewing content, a larger
>> >> screen gives better resolution, and for real distribution you still
>> >> need the servers on the back end. The capabilities are still lacking,
>> >> and the price is still too high.
>> >>
>> >> Kurt
>> >>
>>
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Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Kurt Buff]

I strongly disagree. The ability to manipulate content is a very big
issue, which is why a keyboard is so very important. IMNSHO, a
keyboard is even more important than a pointing device, because it
allows one to express in words.

The tablet paradigm (if I can use such high-falutin' words) is to
transform the people into little more than passive consumers.

Reading is fundamental (to coin a phrase), but computers are so very
much more useful than mere output devices.

Sure, as a simple adjunct to a PC a tablet has some uses, and at a
cheap enough price I'll consider getting one, but it's a fundamentally
crippled device.

Kurt

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 20:52, Jonathan Link  wrote:
> Very well. iPhone thread.
>
> On point. Books are content. The ability to manipulate the content isn't the
> issue. Being able to deliver it easily is. That being said I'm writing this
> response lying flat on my back in bed because I wanted to check my mail
> before turning in. Do all that on a PC under the same conditions and we can
> talk.
>
> On Monday, August 22, 2011, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>> The benefits and costs of distributing books electronically is not
>> tied to the use of tablets. You can use a PC to read a PDF or other
>> digital media just as well as on a tablet, and do much more besides,
>> given the cost differential - once you take into account the
>> peripherals needed to make the tablet as useful as a more traditional
>> laptop or PC. The loss of a keyboard, IMHO, outweighs all of the
>> supposed advantages.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 18:00, Jonathan Link 
>> wrote:
>>> You're still mostly wooshing here.
>>>
>>> Never did I say I bought into these concepts, but this is how it often
>>> appears to the uninitiated into the arcane art of IT.  I, of course, know
>>> that mainframes didn't die, but most of the work of the "data processing"
>>> department was subsumed in many organizations by business units closer to
>>> the data, and this was accelerated by the adoption of the PC and PC
>>> networks.
>>> And have you measured that against the cost of textbooks?  I know a lot
>>> of
>>> administrators are crunching these numbers right now...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

 On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 13:21, Jonathan Link 
 wrote:
 > To put it another way, the data processing group got put out to
 > pasture
 > of
 > days gone by was blindsided by the PC revolution.

 Not really - they just morphed into the IT staff of today - server
 administrators. And, mainframes haven't disappeared - again, it's the
 minis that got squeezed. IBM still makes a buncha money on mainframes.

 > The current generation
 > of tablets are probably the most compelling piece of technology since
 > then.

 Perhaps. I've yet to be convinced.

 > Teachers and administrators are very interested in tablets because
 > they
 > believe they offer so much more capability for viewing and
 > distributing
 > content!

 The SJRDF is strong, 'tis true. I think the only advantage they show
 is weight, and a multi-touch screen. For viewing content, a larger
 screen gives better resolution, and for real distribution you still
 need the servers on the back end. The capabilities are still lacking,
 and the price is still too high.

 Kurt

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RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Michael B. Smith]

Back then, we typically commented “50-to-1”. Now, it’s more like “500-to-1”.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

And much suffering ensued. Back then there was typically a smaller ratio of 
tech staff to users, at least that's the way it was for environments I was 
familiar with.
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families


From: Andrew S. Baker mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>>
To: NT System Admin Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Sent: Tue Aug 23 20:15:17 2011
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
I recall the early PC days lacking centralized management, sufficient tools, 
etc., relative to the dominant computing platform of the time...

History will repeat itself.


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On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:53 PM, James Hill 
mailto:j.h...@coffeeclub.com.au>> wrote:
I don’t doubt that they will.

What I’m concerned about is having the right tools available to centrally 
manage these devices.  We only have about 10 ipads and they are a PITA simply 
because we don’t have the tools to centrally manage them.  iOS updates are 
reasonably frequent (and necessary) and when you want to apply this or deploy 
an app it’s a manual process.

Consumer devices have penetrated into business to the point where they are the 
preferred option.  It’s not just Apple products either, Windows Phone has the 
same non central management issues.  There is no tool to centrally manage it 
yet either.  I believe it is coming with V-Next but so is Christmas.

It reminds me of the pre SOE days where it was a nightmare to manage large 
environments.  We started locking things down, standardising and using tools to 
automate processes.  The difference now is that we have a far more tech savvy 
(or at least tech eager) customer.

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2011 12:35 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

The non-PC devices in my house are growing...

I've still got more desktop/server/laptop devices for now, but that is steadily 
changing.   Plus, my house is not typical even from a PC standpoint (I have 
twice as many computing devices as people).

As soon as tablets routinely hit the $250-400 price range, they will decimate 
laptop and netbook adoption.  In fact, netbook adoption is starting to 
suffer<http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/237330/intel_ponders_netbook_strategy_with_tablet_rise.html>,
 as these are simply competing with notebooks which are more powerful.  A 
tablet, at least, offers new options for computing, which are more convenient 
than a netbook or laptop.   And better battery life in many cases.

ASB

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Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…


On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
mailto:scaes...@caesare.com>> wrote:
True.

Unlike time past, where a file was expected to be some PC-centric thing (a Word 
doc, spreadsheet, configuration file, etc…) Everything is a file these days:

You music? Check.

Movies? Check

Pictures? Check.


Heck, I suspect most people have more _NON-PC_ devices consuming files than 
PC’s these days…

-sc

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:24 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares



Accessing documents is a "PC thing"?

Is email a PC thing?  What about web browsing?

It's not like the request was to create 3D movies via a tablet, which one could 
argue is more of a PC thing...

-ASB: http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Sent from my Motorola Droid
On Aug 23, 2011 8:30 AM, "John Hornbuckle" 
mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>> 
wrote:
> Agreed. Which was my point very early in this thread-we need to pick the 
> right tool for the right job. What started this discussion was essentially a 
> question of how to get an iPad to do PC stuff, which implies that maybe the 
> iPad isn't the right tool for that particular job.
>
> I'm a Disney junkie, so I found this interesting:
>
> www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE8PvsRqjkg<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE8PvsRqjkg><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE8PvsRqjkg>

>
> It's a good use of iPads in design and construction.
>
> But for all the talk of tablets "replacing" PCs, this video shows that we're 
> not there yet. Watch closely, and you'll see that t

Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
> History will repeat itself.

  It's done that before.

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Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Jon Harris]

That was my experience as well with my black and white one.  No eye strain
books appeared pretty much the same as traditional books but were easier to
deal with and book mark.  My daughter liked it was well she tried it at the
beginning of the summer as a large heavy text book replacement.  She could
put the Kindle in her purse and it weighed a lot less than the traditional
text would have.

Jon

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:37 PM, John Hornbuckle <
john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us> wrote:

> We haven't tested the devices with kids yet. We don't want to put the cart
> before the horse; it we test and like a particular reader but the textbook
> companies don't offer their content in a format that works on it, we're out
> of luck. Ditto if the company that makes the e-reader doesn't provide a
> mechanism for centralized management.
>
> Florida recently passed a new law requiring migration to e-books in the
> coming years, so I suspect the technology vendors will hop on board soon.
>
> From my own personal experience with a Kindle, eye strain shouldn't be an
> issue with e-ink devices.
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:19 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> How are the reports on eye strain?
>
> Are the kids liking them?
>
> Thanks,
> Mathew
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 5:39 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> Management of an e-reader is WAY simpler than management of a PC, though
> (assuming the e-reader has enterprise management tools, which remains a huge
> assumption).
>
> A couple of years ago, we had a one-to-one laptop initiative with all of
> our 8th and 9th grade students. It was extremely labor-intensive; no matter
> how tightly we locked down the computers, there was always some way kids
> could screw them up. And battery life was constantly an issue.
>
> Basic e-readers will obviously do much less than PCs, but there's also a
> lot less to go wrong with them. They're much more feasible for schools.
>
>
>
> John Hornbuckle
> MIS Department
> Taylor County School District
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 11:43 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> The benefits and costs of distributing books electronically is not tied to
> the use of tablets. You can use a PC to read a PDF or other digital media
> just as well as on a tablet, and do much more besides, given the cost
> differential - once you take into account the peripherals needed to make the
> tablet as useful as a more traditional laptop or PC. The loss of a keyboard,
> IMHO, outweighs all of the supposed advantages.
>
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RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Rod Trent]

A color "Kindle" is coming, but more in the form of an Android tablet
released by Amazon.com.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

 

Look again on Amazon I was told what I was looking at was a color Kindle
they are larger than the B/W Kindle colors looked good but like I said that
is all the look I got at it.

 

I think this is what I was looking at.
http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Wireless-Reading-Display-Generation/dp/B002GYWH
SQ/ref=sa_menu_kdx23.  It does not say one way or the other.  Maybe I was
told wrong!

 

I sure wish the kids would have let me have a better look at it.

 

Jon Harris

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:41 AM, John Hornbuckle
 wrote:

There's no color Kindle, as far as I know. I think there's a color Nook, but
it doesn't use e-ink-so it's a backlit display, and much lower battery life.

 

E-ink is very easy on the eyes. My wife has a Kindle, and loves it. It runs
forever on a charge, and is easy to read-including in bright sunlight.
There's no color, though. That's fine for reading novels and such, but for
kids' textbooks color is a must.

 

 

John

 

 

 

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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:57 PM


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John, do you know if anyone is looking at either the nook or kindle color
e-ink devices?  I just saw my first kindle one this weekend and while the
kids that had it were happy as a clam with what it could do I could not
tell, the kids would not share with me, if e-books looked that much better
or not.

 

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Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Jon Harris]

Look again on Amazon I was told what I was looking at was a color Kindle
they are larger than the B/W Kindle colors looked good but like I said that
is all the look I got at it.

I think this is what I was looking at.
http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Wireless-Reading-Display-Generation/dp/B002GYWHSQ/ref=sa_menu_kdx23.
It does not say one way or the other.  Maybe I was told wrong!

I sure wish the kids would have let me have a better look at it.

Jon Harris

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:41 AM, John Hornbuckle <
john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us> wrote:

> There’s no color Kindle, as far as I know. I think there’s a color Nook,
> but it doesn’t use e-ink—so it’s a backlit display, and much lower battery
> life.
>
> ** **
>
> E-ink is very easy on the eyes. My wife has a Kindle, and loves it. It runs
> forever on a charge, and is easy to read—including in bright sunlight.
> There’s no color, though. That’s fine for reading novels and such, but for
> kids’ textbooks color is a must.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> John
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> 
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2011 8:57 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> ** **
>
> John, do you know if anyone is looking at either the nook or kindle color
> e-ink devices?  I just saw my first kindle one this weekend and while the
> kids that had it were happy as a clam with what it could do I could not
> tell, the kids would not share with me, if e-books looked that much better
> or not.
>
>  
>
> Jon
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Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 5:40 PM, William Robbins  wrote:
>>> It would likely take more time to explain the layout of our
>>> infrastructure than anyone cares to read.  :)
>>
>>  Oh, I dunno about that.  More time than you have to spare, more likely.
>
> I'll send you the Visio then..:)

  Yay!  IT porn!  ;-)

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Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[William Robbins]

I'll send you the Visio then..:)

 - WJR


On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 16:36, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 4:24 PM, William Robbins 
> wrote:
> > It would likely take more time to explain the layout of our
> infrastructure
> > than anyone cares to read.  :)
>
>   Oh, I dunno about that.  More time than you have to spare, more likely.
>  :)
>
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Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 4:24 PM, William Robbins  wrote:
> It would likely take more time to explain the layout of our infrastructure
> than anyone cares to read.  :)

  Oh, I dunno about that.  More time than you have to spare, more likely.  :)

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Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[William Robbins]

Similar...but one leaves scars on the inside.

 - WJR


On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 15:40, Bill Humphries  wrote:

> Wait a second!  You say there are those out there that like lotus notes?
>  like those people who like cutting themselves?
>
>
> William Robbins wrote:
>
>> /"//And the best people to determine the needs of users are the users
>> themselves. We don't have a crystal ball, nor do we--or could we--understand
>> the minutiae of their jobs"/
>>
>> /
>> /
>> I doubt I'm the only one here who will disagree with this, but the reason
>> for our positions is precisely because the users can't equate their
>> technology needs.  The last thing I need is to come in one day to 250K
>> different pieces of technology to support...some users like Lotus Notes for
>> example and would want me to dump Exchange.
>>
>> YMMV
>> /
>> / - WJR
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 13:32, John Hornbuckle <
>> john.hornbuckle@taylor.k12.**fl.us > john.hornbuckle@**taylor.k12.fl.us >>
>> wrote:
>>
>>We provide high-level leadership, and make recommendations at a
>>broad level. With limited resources, we focus on what gets us the
>>most bang for the buck. We can only investigate a technology if it
>>will impact enough users to justify the time/money spent doing it.
>>
>>.
>>
>>
>>John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Michael White [mailto:mswhite...@gmail.com
>><mailto:mswhite...@gmail.com>]
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:00 PM
>>To: NT System Admin Issues
>>Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>>
>>> At this point, I'd settle for ANY reason other than "but all the
>>cool
>>> people have an iPad!"  :-)
>>
>>Why wait for others to tell you what reasons they could use the
>>devices.  As IT Pros, I believe it is part of our job to have the
>>foresight and leadership to be able to introduce new technology
>>within our organizations and how it can be used by our users.
>>
>>
>>As far as the concern that there are not the apps or tools to be
>>able to support them; how about building them?  Sounds to me that
>>there is a great opportunity for some developer on this list to
>>create a set of tools and, potentially make some money.
>>
>>Michael.
>>
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Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[Bill Humphries]

Wait a second!  You say there are those out there that like lotus 
notes?  like those people who like cutting themselves?



William Robbins wrote:
/"//And the best people to determine the needs of users are the users 
themselves. We don't have a crystal ball, nor do we--or could 
we--understand the minutiae of their jobs"/

/
/
I doubt I'm the only one here who will disagree with this, but the 
reason for our positions is precisely because the users can't equate 
their technology needs.  The last thing I need is to come in one day 
to 250K different pieces of technology to support...some users like 
Lotus Notes for example and would want me to dump Exchange.


YMMV
/
/ - WJR


On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 13:32, John Hornbuckle 
<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>> wrote:


We provide high-level leadership, and make recommendations at a
broad level. With limited resources, we focus on what gets us the
most bang for the buck. We can only investigate a technology if it
will impact enough users to justify the time/money spent doing it.

.


John





-Original Message-
From: Michael White [mailto:mswhite...@gmail.com
<mailto:mswhite...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
    Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

> At this point, I'd settle for ANY reason other than "but all the
cool
> people have an iPad!"  :-)

Why wait for others to tell you what reasons they could use the
devices.  As IT Pros, I believe it is part of our job to have the
foresight and leadership to be able to introduce new technology
within our organizations and how it can be used by our users.


As far as the concern that there are not the apps or tools to be
able to support them; how about building them?  Sounds to me that
there is a great opportunity for some developer on this list to
create a set of tools and, potentially make some money.

Michael.

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Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[William Robbins]

It would likely take more time to explain the layout of our infrastructure
than anyone cares to read.  :)

But yes and no...our team supports AD,Exchange,BES,OCS/Lync, ADFS, and RMS
services for member firms withing the organization around the world that
have either a small or no IT within their firm.  Other larger firms maintain
their own IT and infrastructure however we are the Enterprise Admins for the
7 forests we maintain.

That totals up to, at last check 264, 382 mailboxes and approximately the
same number of users...

I should say that our team has headcount for 8 engineers and a manager.  At
present we have 4.5 engineers, and 1.5 managers.  And presently 2 are on
PTO.

So, if anyone wonders why I rarely post...now you know.

 - WJR


On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 14:37, John Hornbuckle <
john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us> wrote:

> Good heavens… When you refer to your team, do you mean your entire IT
> department? That couldn’t possibly be right, could it?
>
> ** **
>
> Our team of 4 is the whole IT department. 500 employees and 3,000 students,
> although the students are easy.
>
> ** **
>
> We do standardize heavily here, even being small-ish.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:22 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> ** **
>
> Fair enough.  
>
> ** **
>
> Differences in scale and business we're in I imagine.  We have only 8 folks
> on my team tending to the needs of well over 250,000 users.  We have to
> understand the business, but we don't have to accept their individual
> definitions of their "needs."  
>
> ** **
>
> But as I mentioned we have differing perspectives due to scale.
>
>
>  - WJR
>
> 
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 13:54, John Hornbuckle <
> john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us> wrote:
>
> We have 500 employees. There are four of us in my department. We cannot
> possibly know all of their unique, individual needs. None of us has ever
> been a principal, or a teacher, or a lunchroom lady, or a janitor, or a
> secretary, or any of the other countless positions that exist. The only way
> to know what they all need—at a low level—is to work in those positions, or
> to spend quite a bit of time working very closely with the people who do.
> More time than we could ever hope to spend.
>
>  
>
> End-users generally can’t speak the language of technology, but that
> doesn’t mean they can’t voice their needs. If they express those needs
> (e.g., “I wish there were a way to…”), we can then research ways that
> technology can meet them.
>
>  
>
> There’s generally a flow of information from the bottom up… A lunchroom
> manager might report a need to the Food Services Coordinator, who might then
> come to us. Or a teacher might report a need to a principal, and the
> principal comes to us. But can we communicate directly with all of the end
> users at a level requisite for having a deep understand of their needs? No.
> ****
>
>  
>
>  
>
> John
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:43 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
> 
>
>  
>
> *"And the best people to determine the needs of users are the users
> themselves. We don't have a crystal ball, nor do we--or could we--understand
> the minutiae of their jobs"*
> 
>
>  
>
> I doubt I'm the only one here who will disagree with this, but the reason
> for our positions is precisely because the users can't equate their
> technology needs.  The last thing I need is to come in one day to 250K
> different pieces of technology to support...some users like Lotus Notes
> for example and would want me to dump Exchange.
>
>  
>
> YMMV
>
> *
> * - WJR
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 13:32, John Hornbuckle <
> john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us> wrote:
>
> We provide high-level leadership, and make recommendations at a broad
> level. With limited resources, we focus on what gets us the most bang for
> the buck. We can only investigate a technology if it will impact enough
> users to justify the time/money spent doing it.
>
> .
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael White [mailto:mswhite...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:00 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Apple ne

RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[John Hornbuckle]

We were talking about a work situation, though. I would assume that in most 
enterprises, music, movies, and pictures wouldn't be the predominant type of 
business document.


John



From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

True.

Unlike time past, where a file was expected to be some PC-centric thing (a Word 
doc, spreadsheet, configuration file, etc...) Everything is a file these days:

You music? Check.

Movies? Check

Pictures? Check.


Heck, I suspect most people have more _NON-PC_ devices consuming files than 
PC's these days...

-sc

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares


Accessing documents is a "PC thing"?

Is email a PC thing?  What about web browsing?

It's not like the request was to create 3D movies via a tablet, which one could 
argue is more of a PC thing...

-ASB: http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Sent from my Motorola Droid
On Aug 23, 2011 8:30 AM, "John Hornbuckle" 
mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>> 
wrote:
> Agreed. Which was my point very early in this thread-we need to pick the 
> right tool for the right job. What started this discussion was essentially a 
> question of how to get an iPad to do PC stuff, which implies that maybe the 
> iPad isn't the right tool for that particular job.
>
> I'm a Disney junkie, so I found this interesting:
>
> www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE8PvsRqjkg<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE8PvsRqjkg><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE8PvsRqjkg>
>
> It's a good use of iPads in design and construction.
>
> But for all the talk of tablets "replacing" PCs, this video shows that we're 
> not there yet. Watch closely, and you'll see that the video opens showing an 
> Imagineer's iPad sitting on top of his PC.
>
> And not just any PC, but a laptop-the specific devices that tablets are said 
> to be rapidly displacing.
>
> Of course, he's also running Windows XP. So I have my doubts about how 
> technologically progressive WDI is. :)
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> From: Steven M. Caesare 
> [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com<mailto:scaes...@caesare.com>]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:21 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares
>
> This point seems to be lost on many.
>
> There are many services to be consumed in this day and age that do not 
> require a full "computer", and for which a complete PC, or even laptop, 
> actually can be a disadvantage.
>
> There's room for multiple devices in the ecosystem. Has been for some time.
>
> -sc
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RE: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

[John Hornbuckle]

Good heavens... When you refer to your team, do you mean your entire IT 
department? That couldn't possibly be right, could it?

Our team of 4 is the whole IT department. 500 employees and 3,000 students, 
although the students are easy.

We do standardize heavily here, even being small-ish.


From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

Fair enough.

Differences in scale and business we're in I imagine.  We have only 8 folks on 
my team tending to the needs of well over 250,000 users.  We have to understand 
the business, but we don't have to accept their individual definitions of their 
"needs."

But as I mentioned we have differing perspectives due to scale.

 - WJR

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 13:54, John Hornbuckle 
mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>> 
wrote:
We have 500 employees. There are four of us in my department. We cannot 
possibly know all of their unique, individual needs. None of us has ever been a 
principal, or a teacher, or a lunchroom lady, or a janitor, or a secretary, or 
any of the other countless positions that exist. The only way to know what they 
all need-at a low level-is to work in those positions, or to spend quite a bit 
of time working very closely with the people who do. More time than we could 
ever hope to spend.

End-users generally can't speak the language of technology, but that doesn't 
mean they can't voice their needs. If they express those needs (e.g., "I wish 
there were a way to..."), we can then research ways that technology can meet 
them.

There's generally a flow of information from the bottom up... A lunchroom 
manager might report a need to the Food Services Coordinator, who might then 
come to us. Or a teacher might report a need to a principal, and the principal 
comes to us. But can we communicate directly with all of the end users at a 
level requisite for having a deep understand of their needs? No.


John



From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com<mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

"And the best people to determine the needs of users are the users themselves. 
We don't have a crystal ball, nor do we--or could we--understand the minutiae 
of their jobs"

I doubt I'm the only one here who will disagree with this, but the reason for 
our positions is precisely because the users can't equate their technology 
needs.  The last thing I need is to come in one day to 250K different pieces of 
technology to support...some users like Lotus Notes for example and would want 
me to dump Exchange.

YMMV

 - WJR
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 13:32, John Hornbuckle 
mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>> 
wrote:
We provide high-level leadership, and make recommendations at a broad level. 
With limited resources, we focus on what gets us the most bang for the buck. We 
can only investigate a technology if it will impact enough users to justify the 
time/money spent doing it.

.


John





-Original Message-
From: Michael White [mailto:mswhite...@gmail.com<mailto:mswhite...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Apple newbie - iPad remote access to server shares

> At this point, I'd settle for ANY reason other than "but all the cool
> people have an iPad!"  :-)

Why wait for others to tell you what reasons they could use the devices.  As IT 
Pros, I believe it is part of our job to have the foresight and leadership to 
be able to introduce new technology within our organizations and how it can be 
used by our users.


As far as the concern that there are not the apps or tools to be able to 
support them; how about building them?  Sounds to me that there is a great 
opportunity for some developer on this list to create a set of tools and, 
potentially make some money.

Michael.

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