Re: $PERL not respected

[Herbert Duerr]

On 06/08/2012 10:43 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 08:42:19PM +0200, Herbert Duerr wrote:

[...]
Looking through the logs I saw
./bootstrap: 46: download_external_dependencies.pl: Permission denied
and that pointed at missing execute permissions for that script.

I committed the fix as revision 1348184


With that fix the buildbot is happy now about the new download script:
http://ci.apache.org/builders/openoffice-linux64-nightly/builds/248/steps/compile_3/logs/stdio


Looking at bootstrap.1, that file gets executed by a system perl
(supposed you have one installed), not respecting the perl set with
--with-perl-home, stored in $PERL.


Good point. And when it has been converted so that all these scripts are 
run via "$PERL" then I think we should drop their exec-flags and 
eventually also their shebang lines.

  ls -l main/solenv/bin/*pl
shows that the exec-bits were handled inconsistently and the scripts 
using them tended to be wrong by ignoring --with-perl-home.



I should try a full build renaming /usr/bin/perl to /usr/bin/perl.foo
and configuring with --with-perl-home, I guess there will be more places
than the ones found in the attached patch.


This is an interesting experiment. Running
  find . -name "*.p[lm]" -exec grep -l bin/perl {} \;
gives a first indication that there will be quite many areas where to 
expect problems that cannot be easily found by the perl.foo experiment 
such as the platform or language specific or scripts.


Herbert

Re: i want to start volunterring

[Ian]

Hi Kay,

poking around under some of the pages from your link I get to

http://ci.apache.org/builders/openofficeorg-nightly

It returns 404 - No such resource.

I was looking for some documentation on how AOO hangs together/is designed.
Any pointers greatfully accepted.

Cheers,

Ian

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Rushi Anil Phutane <
> rushi19phut...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I want get involved in  the   "14 Ways to Contribute to Open
>> Source without Being a Programming Genius or a Rock Star."  how can I
>> start  helping by developeing something
>>
>>
>>  
>> thanks
>>  rushi phutane.
>>
>
> Hi Rushi and thanks for your interest in Apache OpenOffice
>
> It's great that you came across that particular article by the way.
>
> You might start by taking a look at our "Get Involved" page if
> you haven't already...
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html
>
> Currently, we have a "Help Wanted" page linked there
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Help+Wanted
>
> that gives descriptions of some things you may be interested in.
>
>
> If you want to dig right in to actually fixing problems, you might want to
> take a look at some of them from our Bugzilla area --
>
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/
>
> or, subscribe to the ooo-dev list and spend some time there seeing if
> anything looks interesting
>
> The area under Development  on "Get Involved"
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html
>
> also contains information on how to submit patches etc.
>
> We welcome your participation.
>
> --
> 
> MzK
>
> "Everything will be all right in the end...
>      if it's not all right then it's not the end. "
>             -- Sonny, "The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel"

Re: Installation Experience and Feedback

[Juergen Schmidt]

Am Samstag, 9. Juni 2012 um 00:59 schrieb Andreas Säger:
> Am 09.06.2012 00:50, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> > Andreas Säger wrote:
> > > On the user forums there is a lot of confusion about the right Java
> > > version for Windows x64. The right JRE for that particular platform has
> > > 32 bit and version number 1.6.x. This manual download is hard to find on
> > > the Oracle page.
> > > > http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre-6u32-downloads-1594646.html
> > >  
> > >  
> >  
> >  
> > Which one should we recommend from the list exactly (for Windows
> > 64-bit)? jre-6u32-windows-i586.exe?
> >  
> > If so, we can put a note in the download page, especially because
> > version 3.4 is the first one that does not have a "bundled with Java"
> > installer.
> >  
> > Regards,
> > Andrea.
> >  
>  
>  
>  
> Yes, it has to be jre-6u32-windows-i586.exe for Windows x86.
you can try a 64bit version and use the jvm option -d32 und tools->options->java
I have to check it myself under windows on Monday when I have access to my 
windows machine.

Maybe we can improve the Java detection mechanism here a little bit ...

Juergen  
>  
> Theoretically, AOO should run on Linux-64 with any Java version, 32 or  
> 64 bit, Java6 or Java7. But I have no such system at hand.
>  
> I don't know anything about Mac OS.  

question re web site(s) patches...

[Kay Schenk]

Hi --

I'm looking at our Developer FAQ, which I just changed--

http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/developer-faqs.html

and the information provided in the CMS ref regarding patches ...

http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html#non-committer

which recommends patch submissions to the mailing list.

We would want any kind of patch supplied via BZ, yes?
(and of course that means more diligence in checking for these)

I know we put little code snippets here on the list but I mean like large
changes in sections to the web pages, right?

-- 

MzK

"Everything will be all right in the end...
  if it's not all right then it's not the end. "
 -- Sonny, "The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel"

Re: [PROPOSAL] "Get it here" community download promotion program

[Kay Schenk]

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

>
> On Jun 7, 2012, at 2:03 PM, Nancy K wrote:
>
> > Rob,
> > Hi! This looks so good! I do have some suggestions.
> >   1. ' send a request to the ooo-dev mailing list and we can make a
> translated version for you. ' takes you to the page of MANY mailing lists.
>  I can see someone getting overwhelmed here.  People are not going to
> scroll too far down that list - maybe a direct link to the page for
> translations without all of the choices - or - place a quick link button
> for Translations at the top of the mailing list page?
>
> Markdown adds ids for header paragraphs. So a hash tag can easily be added
> to any link.
>
> >
> >   2. Items 2, 3 and 4 talk about the means for linking the logo - I
> really like the yellow example below this (including the alt!) - could this
> be placed above 2,3 and 4 as simply 'Here is a copy/paste link to use.  If
> you do not use this copy/past link and want to personalize it further,
> these are the rules you must follow: (insert 2,3,4)'  I think this would
> encourage the copy/paste (with the alt for SEO!)- and it offers an easy
> copy/paste connection for those that are not into coding - but want a quick
> link.
> > Also, could the Image link include an alt="Download Apache OpenOffice
> here" that would help - currently it is  style="-webkit-user-select:none; "src="
> http://incubator.apache.org/openoffficeorg/images/get-it-here/en.png"; />
>
> +1. BTW - it is possible to use the Apache CMS Bookmarklet and create a
> patch. I'm willing to submit any CMS related patch someone wishes to
> contribute.
>
> Send patches to ooo-dev with a subject using a prefix of [RFW - CMS]. Good
> for any contribution from a non-committer.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> >
> >  Nancy  Web Design
> > Free 24 hour pass to lynda.com.
> > Video courses on SEO, CMS,
> > Design and Software Courses
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Rob Weir 
> > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; ooo-market...@incubator.apache.org
> > Cc: tradema...@apache.org
> > Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 9:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] "Get it here" community download promotion
> program
> >
> > On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >> We get regular requests from individuals and companies that want to
> >> add a link to the AOO download, and to use the logo with it.  These
> >> range from websites of individual users, to websites that aggregate
> >> download links for many open source projects.
> >>
> >> Currently, requesting and receiving such permission requires a request
> >> to the PMC, approval and then additional approval by the Apache VP
> >> Branding.
> >>
> >> I'd like to propose a streamlined approach where we can give blanket
> >> permission, without an additional request, for using a specific logo
> >> (the one that Drew designed) for a specific download situation.  If
> >> there are no objections from the PMC, and we get a +1 from
> >> Trademarks@, I'll write this up on the website.
> >>
> >
> > Here is the new page on the website. (It is not linked to from anywhere
> yet)
> >
> > http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-it-here.html
> >
> > I'd like to kick this off with a blog post in the next week or so.  So
> > if anyone sees anything urgently wrong, please speak up now.
> >
> >> =Use of the Apache OpenOffice Download Promotion Logo=
> >>
> >> Anyone, without additional permission from this project, may use the
> >> following logo subject to the following conditions:
> >>
> >> The logo:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/get-aoo-300x100-cf.png?version=1&modificationDate=1331970198000
> >>
> >> [NB. We should move this to a more memorable location]
> >>
> >> Conditions:
> >>
> >> 1. The logo may not be modified except to resize it.  If translations
> >> of the "Get it here!" text are required, send a request to the ooo-dev
> >> list and we can provide a translated version for you.
> >>
> >> 2. The image must be linked to one of:
> >>
> >> a) the http://www.openoffice.org webpage
> >> b) one of the official Native Language pages at openoffice.org, e.g.,
> >> http://de.openoffice.org
> >> c) the download page for Apache OpenOffice:
> >> http://download.openoffice.org or
> >> http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html
> >>
> >> 3. The logo must not link to a specific download file or mirror.  This
> >> causes problems with load balancing and fallbacks and may prevent
> >> users from getting the latest version of OpenOffice.
> >>
> >> 4. Any use Apache-owned logos beyond the above is not covered by this
> >> program an must be explicitly requested from the ASF.
>
>
Rob--

This is good! Hopefully I'll finally get to the "Distributor FAQ" I
mentioned a while back this weekend and I'll include a mention of this. Of
course, we'll need lots of feedback on that I'm sure.


-- 

MzK

"

Re: i want to start volunterring

[Kay Schenk]

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Rushi Anil Phutane <
rushi19phut...@rediffmail.com> wrote:

>
> I want get involved in  the   "14 Ways to Contribute to Open
> Source without Being a Programming Genius or a Rock Star."  how can I
> start  helping by developeing something
>
>
>  
> thanks
>  rushi phutane.
>

Hi Rushi and thanks for your interest in Apache OpenOffice

It's great that you came across that particular article by the way.

You might start by taking a look at our "Get Involved" page if
you haven't already...

http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html

Currently, we have a "Help Wanted" page linked there

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Help+Wanted

that gives descriptions of some things you may be interested in.


If you want to dig right in to actually fixing problems, you might want to
take a look at some of them from our Bugzilla area --

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/

or, subscribe to the ooo-dev list and spend some time there seeing if
anything looks interesting

The area under Development  on "Get Involved"

http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html

also contains information on how to submit patches etc.

We welcome your participation.

-- 

MzK

"Everything will be all right in the end...
  if it's not all right then it's not the end. "
 -- Sonny, "The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel"

Re: Installation Experience and Feedback

[Andreas Säger]

Am 09.06.2012 00:50, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Andreas Säger wrote:

On the user forums there is a lot of confusion about the right Java
version for Windows x64. The right JRE for that particular platform has
32 bit and version number 1.6.x. This manual download is hard to find on
the Oracle page.

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre-6u32-downloads-1594646.html



Which one should we recommend from the list exactly (for Windows
64-bit)? jre-6u32-windows-i586.exe?

If so, we can put a note in the download page, especially because
version 3.4 is the first one that does not have a "bundled with Java"
installer.

Regards,
Andrea.




Yes, it has to be jre-6u32-windows-i586.exe for Windows x86.

Theoretically, AOO should run on Linux-64 with any Java version, 32 or 
64 bit, Java6 or Java7. But I have no such system at hand.


I don't know anything about Mac OS.

Re: [UX] The Questions for users

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Kevin Grignon
 wrote:
> KG 01 - See comments inline
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>> Keep in mind that we already have a large recent survey of sorts,
>> based on Google Analytics data from those who have visited the website
>> and downloaded AOO.
>>
>
> KG01 - Do we ask for email addresses of people who download. How might we
> engage downloaders to complete survey?
>

When users download they are presented with a screen at SourceForge
that invites them to sign up for our announcement mailing list,
ooo-annnounce.  We have over 8000 subscribers to that list.  So it is
just a small % of the 3 million+ downloads.  We also have the ability
to reach out to users via Twitter, Google+ Facebook, etc.,  So there
are several ways we could get the word out.

Another technique that we might be able to do is to offer the survey
link to a random sample of those who download, say 1%.

>
>> It won't tell us some of the detailed stuff, like whether they use AOO
>> at home or at work, but there is more info available here than might
>> be generally known.
>>
>> KG01 - Re-use is great. Can you send along a link to where I can review
> the specific data we capture? Yes, I think we can eliminate many questions
> form our demographic questions and pull the data from other sources, such
> as the download info.
>

OK.  I'll put together a report and send it it out to the list.

>
>> For example:
>>
>
>> - what countries users are mainly from.   Can also get detail to the
>> level of what cities are most often downloading AOO.
>> - what languages
>> - what operating systems and versions they are using
>> - what screen resolution they have
>> - what browser they are using
>> - if they found our website from searching Google, what were the most
>> used search strings
>> - if they came to our website via a link from another website, what
>> were the most common "referring" sites
>> - what social networking sites lead them most to the website
>> - what pages on the website are most frequently read
>> - what paths through the website most often lead to a download
>>
>> and any of these can be correlated against download conversion rate.
>> So for example we can look at what % of visitors download AOO based on
>> country, or language, or OS or browser or whatever.
>>
>
> KG01 - Despite the overlap, I suspect that we will need to include some
> basic demographic questions in the user surveys to ensure we can correlate
> the results. For example, if users from a certain geography, or users of a
> certain role have issues, we need to assocaite their task prioritization
> and satisfaction ratings against their demographic data. Data from
> disparate data sources would not support such analysis.
>

Right.


>>
>> Obviously this is not a replacement for a survey that looks at the
>> habits and preferences of the user's in-application behavior.  But
>> this information is "low hanging fruit" that is based on data already
>> collected.
>>
>> KG01 - Indeed, task assessment research is another category all together.
>
>
>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:51 AM, Graham Lauder  wrote:
>> >> KG01 - see comments inline.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Graham Lauder  wrote:
>> >> > > > Hi.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Questions relating to research!
>> >> >
>> >> > []
>> >> >
>> >> > > Perhaps the first survey we should conduct is a survey about what
>> sort
>> >> > > of surveys our users would respond to.
>> >>
>> >> KG01 - Thanks for your feedback and interest in the user research
>> effort.
>> >> While I agree we could deploy different types of surveys to gather
>> >> different types of data, I feel that a survey of surveys might induce
>> >> premature survey fatigue.
>> >
>> > Survey fatique has already set in, that is not a new thing, that is
>> > recognisable simply by those surveys conducted by SUN.  We haven't caused
>> > that, it is a factor of the modern marketing malaise.  The cost of
>> incentives
>> > these days, that one needs to hand out to get a significant sampling in a
>> > timely manner is huge.
>> >
>> >> User research, especially surveys, consumes
>> >> people's time and energy.
>> >
>> > Indeed as I myself pointed out earlier in this thread
>> >
>> >> Rather, I propose we work from the other
>> >> direction. If the goal of the research activity is to gather data that
>> will
>> >> help us build insight and drive informed design and development
>> decisions,
>> >> then we should focus the surveys on the information we need to do that.
>> I
>> >> have captured some comments in the wiki discussion page.
>> >
>> > Indeed, however if the sample of respondents is ridiculously small, as
>> has
>> > historically been the case, then the data is useless.
>> >
>> > You cannot use corporate methodologies in an open source environment.
>>  We have
>> > no ability to offer incentives, we therefore need to make the survey
>> process
>> > as pleasant and enjoyable as 

Re: i want to start volunterring

[Kay Schenk]

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

> Hi Kay,
>
> On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 01:09:16PM -0700, Kay Schenk wrote:
> > Hi Rushi and welcome to Apache OpenOffice
> >
> > It's great that you came across that particular article by the way.
> >
> > I'm not sure what route you took to subscribe to this list.
>
>
> any rout... This mail was moderated, that is he missed your answer
> unless you Cc'ed him.
>

Hi Ariel --

Oh -- I couldn't tell that...I'll re-reply. Thanks.

>
>
> Regards
> --
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina
>



-- 

MzK

"Everything will be all right in the end...
  if it's not all right then it's not the end. "
 -- Sonny, "The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel"

Re: Installation Experience and Feedback

[Andrea Pescetti]

Andreas Säger wrote:

On the user forums there is a lot of confusion about the right Java
version for Windows x64. The right JRE for that particular platform has
32 bit and version number 1.6.x. This manual download is hard to find on
the Oracle page.

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre-6u32-downloads-1594646.html


Which one should we recommend from the list exactly (for Windows 
64-bit)? jre-6u32-windows-i586.exe?


If so, we can put a note in the download page, especially because 
version 3.4 is the first one that does not have a "bundled with Java" 
installer.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: Installation Experience and Feedback

[Andreas Säger]

Am 07.06.2012 04:57, Gavin McDonald wrote:

Hi All,

Here is my installation experience, it seems to vary somewhat from some
others experiences.

Environment: Windows 7 64 Bit, experience was same of both Desktop and
Laptop.





It really was as painless and quick as that. Well Done Guys n Gals!



Hi,

On the user forums there is a lot of confusion about the right Java 
version for Windows x64. The right JRE for that particular platform has 
32 bit and version number 1.6.x. This manual download is hard to find on 
the Oracle page.

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre-6u32-downloads-1594646.html


I successfully tested embedded HSQLDB, XHTML export and various 
File>Wizards... with Java7 and Linux-32 and Windows-32.


Just my 2 Cents,
Andreas

Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 06/07/2012 02:19 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
  wrote:

Hi,


On 06.06.2012 22:50, Marcus (OOo) wrote:


Am 06/06/2012 03:39 PM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann:


Hi,

from what we have experienced so far from the "first phase" of the OOo
3.3 update service it makes sense to me to have the full OOo 3.3 update
service working at the end of this week.

As we would like to direct our users to a localized download page, if
possible, I want to put our attention on the "planned" download pages.
Rob already started a similar thread - namely "Audit of NL home pages"
[1], but I am not sure, if the one or the other already took action.

Please provide feedback regarding to which page the OOo 3.3 update
functionality should direct the user for these languages.

Arabic ->  ?

Chinese (simplified) ->  ?

Chinese (traditional) ->  ?

Czech ->  ?

Dutch ->  http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html

English (US) ->  http://www.openoffice.org/download

French ->  http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/

Galician ->  ?

German ->  ?



German ->  http://www.openoffice.org/download

On the mainpage "http://www.openoffice.org/de/"; there is only one big link
that
points to the central download webpage.

However, there are still some errors, so I'll update the site a bit to
make it
more Apache-like.



Thx for the feedback.

Thus, for German we will direct the user to English (US) download page.

Question for discussion:
Should we use the English (US) download page as a fallback for the languages
for which we have no localized download page?
orw's opinion: I am not in favor of such a fallback, but I currently see no
other solution.



I think we still want to gradually enable the upgrade notifications
over the next week.  Maybe we start with those that have good NL
download pages.  But at the end, we really need to enable everyone to
upgrade.  AOO 3.4 has important security patches.  So at the end, if
there is no good NL page we would direct them to the default English


Yes, I also think that the webpage in English is better than nothing.


page.   And if we get an improved NL page in the future, we can add
support for that,


Right.


Another question for discussion:
Does it make sense to adapt the URL parameter "utm_source=OOo3_3" to
"utm_source=OOo3_3_[language code]" in order to distinguish the languages on
this level?


+1. Then we can see which language builds are really downloaded 
independent from the browser. And on this way we can identify the 
hotspots of interest.


Marcus




Not really necessary.  Google already tracks the country and locale,
so we can already see the distribution that way.  It also tracks the
platform.



Best regards, Oliver.



Hungarian ->  ?

Italian ->  http://openoffice.org/it/download

Japanese ->  http://www.openoffice.org/ja/download/

Portuguese (Brazilian) ->  ?

Russian ->  http://www.openoffice.org/ru/about-downloads.html

Spanish ->  http://www.openoffice.org/es/descargar/


[1] http://ooo-dev.markmail.org/thread/7ydafrdrqxpctsy3


Thanks in advance for your help, Oliver.



Marcus

Re: Unofficial OpenSolaris/SPARC 3.4 build

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 06/08/2012 07:28 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Nicolas Christener
  wrote:

Hi Rob

On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 11:29 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
[...]

Congratulation!


Thank you :)


Would you like more public awareness of this test build?   Do you want
to find more users to help test?


We would very welcome more testing and more feedback! It's our goal to
achieve the same quality for the Solaris builds as for all the other
builds. The more people looking at the build the better :)


If you are interested (and willing) I'd be happy to do an email
interview with you for a blog post.  Questions would be related to
your work on the AOO Solaris port, why this is important to your
company, what kind of users do you have, why the move to Apache is a
good thing, etc.  It can be a "group interview" if there is more than
one person who wants to answer.


Wow, this would be very nice! As there are different people involved in
our team, we would love to do such a group interview by mail :)



Great.  I've sent you some questions via email.

Also, did you see this thread asking about Solaris support?

http://compgroups.net/comp.unix.solaris/apache-openoffice-for-solaris/1108687


Maybe we can help here as-well. Like putting a note on the 
"http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html"; webpage, that we will 
support Solaris (x86 and Sparc) in the future but that this takes some 
more time than for the usual platforms.


What do you think?

Marcus




Thank you very much for your kind support, we really appreciate it!

Kind regards
Nicolas Christener

--
Adfinis SyGroup AG
Nicolas Christener, Bereichsleiter Software-Entwicklung

Keltenstrasse 98, CH-3018 Bern
Tel. +41 31 550 31 11, Mob. +41 76 335 32 57

Re: i want to start volunterring

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

Hi Kay,

On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 01:09:16PM -0700, Kay Schenk wrote:
> Hi Rushi and welcome to Apache OpenOffice
> 
> It's great that you came across that particular article by the way.
> 
> I'm not sure what route you took to subscribe to this list.


any rout... This mail was moderated, that is he missed your answer
unless you Cc'ed him.


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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$PERL not respected (was: buildbot failure in ASF Buildbot on openoffice-linux64-nightly)

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 08:42:19PM +0200, Herbert Duerr wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> On 06/08/2012 07:20 PM, you wrote:
> >I believe the current build problems are due to the change in the
> >location of external tar balls.
> >How should the build get these using the new script?
> 
> Looking through the logs I saw
> ./bootstrap: 46: download_external_dependencies.pl: Permission denied
> and that pointed at missing execute permissions for that script.
> 
> I committed the fix as revision 1348184

Looking at bootstrap.1, that file gets executed by a system perl
(supposed you have one installed), not respecting the perl set with
--with-perl-home, stored in $PERL.

I should try a full build renaming /usr/bin/perl to /usr/bin/perl.foo
and configuring with --with-perl-home, I guess there will be more places
than the ones found in the attached patch.


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina
diff --git a/main/bootstrap.1 b/main/bootstrap.1
index 719f385..7f2dff8 100644
--- a/main/bootstrap.1
+++ b/main/bootstrap.1
@@ -30,16 +30,18 @@ export EXEEXT
 
 mkdir -p "$SOLARENV/$OUTPATH/bin"
 
-#make sure build.pl is executable 
+#make sure perl scripts are executable
 
 chmod +x "$SRC_ROOT/solenv/bin/build.pl"
 chmod +x "$SRC_ROOT/solenv/bin/build_client.pl"
 chmod +x "$SRC_ROOT/solenv/bin/zipdep.pl"
 chmod +x "$SRC_ROOT/solenv/bin/gccinstlib.pl"
+chmod +x "$SRC_ROOT/solenv/bin/download_external_dependencies.pl"
+chmod +x "$SRC_ROOT/solenv/bin/download_missing_extensions.pl"
 
 # fetch or update external tarballs
 if [ "$DO_FETCH_TARBALLS" = "yes" ]; then
-download_external_dependencies.pl $SRC_ROOT/external_deps.lst
+"$PERL" "$SOLARENV/bin/download_external_dependencies.pl" 
$SRC_ROOT/external_deps.lst
 fi
 
 # 
--
@@ -152,4 +154,4 @@ else
 fi
 
 # Download missing extensions.
-download_missing_extensions.pl
+"$PERL" "$SOLARENV/bin/download_missing_extensions.pl"
diff --git a/main/set_soenv.in b/main/set_soenv.in
index 1ea51ce..5bead59 100644
--- a/main/set_soenv.in
+++ b/main/set_soenv.in
@@ -1558,11 +1558,11 @@ for my $repo (split(/ /,"@ADDITIONAL_REPOSITORIES@"))
 #
 print "Setting the aliases... ";
 # 1. alias for a full product make. 
-   $mkout   = '"perl $SOLARENV/bin/mkout.pl"';
-   $deliver = '"perl $SOLARENV/bin/deliver.pl"';
-   $build   = '"perl $SOLARENV/bin/build.pl"';
-   $build_client= '"perl $SOLARENV/bin/build_client.pl"';
-   $zipdep  = '"perl $SOLARENV/bin/zipdep.pl"';
+   $mkout   = '"$PERL $SOLARENV/bin/mkout.pl"';
+   $deliver = '"$PERL $SOLARENV/bin/deliver.pl"';
+   $build   = '"$PERL $SOLARENV/bin/build.pl"';
+   $build_client= '"$PERL $SOLARENV/bin/build_client.pl"';
+   $zipdep  = '"$PERL $SOLARENV/bin/zipdep.pl"';
 # 3. alias for a full product make
 $nmake   = '"dmake"';
 print "done\n";


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Re: i want to start volunterring

[Kay Schenk]

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Rushi Anil Phutane <
rushi19phut...@rediffmail.com> wrote:

>
> I want get involved in  the   "14 Ways to Contribute to Open
> Source without Being a Programming Genius or a Rock Star."  how can I
> start  helping by developeing something
>
>
>  
> thanks
>  rushi phutane.
>


Hi Rushi and welcome to Apache OpenOffice

It's great that you came across that particular article by the way.

I'm not sure what route you took to subscribe to this list.

Currently, we have a "Help Wanted" page in the  project website area

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Help+Wanted

I don't know if you've seen this or not.

If you want to dig right in to actually fixing problems, you might want to
take a look at some of them from our Bugzilla area --

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/

or, just spend some time on this list for a while and see what crops up.

The area under Development  on "Get Involved"

http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html

also contains information on how to submit patches etc.

Welcome to our community.

--


-- 

MzK

"Everything will be all right in the end...
  if it's not all right then it's not the end. "
 -- Sonny, "The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel"

[PROPOSAL] Apache OpenOffice Conference 2012

[Donald Harbison]

We have the opportunity to frame up and build a 'conference within a
conference' within the ApacheCON EU 2012 venue, November 5 - 9th in
Sinsheim, Germany. I've pulled  an outline together on the wiki [1].

This is a 'call-to-action'. If you want to see this idea become a reality,
now is the time to volunteer.

Timing is urgent here. In the northern hemisphere, many of us will go off
on vacations in July and August. We need to earn our space from ConComm and
the other ApacheCon volunteers if this idea has any hope of success. Note
that if you volunteer for this effort, you will also need to help out with
the broader conference as well. Share and share alike!

I have asked that we sharpen our proposal and submit it to ConComm by
Friday, June 22nd... in two weeks time. Yes, that's compressed, but I
believe we have sufficiently experienced PPMC members who know what it
takes to make something like this happen. I've started a proposed committee
list on the wiki, but that's all it is a 'start'.

This is a great opportunity to re-boot our OpenOffice community in its
country of origin. I'm personally very excited about this, and hope you are
too. Please engage and make this happen.

[1] *http://s.apache.org/4cp*

Re: buildbot failure in ASF Buildbot on openoffice-linux64-nightly

[Herbert Duerr]

Hi Andrew,

On 06/08/2012 07:20 PM, you wrote:

I believe the current build problems are due to the change in the
location of external tar balls.
How should the build get these using the new script?


Looking through the logs I saw
./bootstrap: 46: download_external_dependencies.pl: Permission denied
and that pointed at missing execute permissions for that script.

I committed the fix as revision 1348184

Herbert

Re: buildbot failure in ASF Buildbot on openoffice-linux64-nightly

[Herbert Duerr]

Hi Andrew,

On 06/08/2012 07:20 PM, you wrote:

I believe the current build problems are due to the change in the
location of external tar balls.
How should the build get these using the new script?


Looking through the logs if saw
./bootstrap: 46: download_external_dependencies.pl: Permission denied
and that pointed at missing execute permissions for that script.

I committed the fix as revision 1348184

Herbert

Re: First Year Anniversary - party CD

[sebb]

On 8 June 2012 19:05, drew  wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 21:13 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:43 PM, drew  wrote:
>> > On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 14:35 -0700, Nancy K wrote:
>> >> I do like all of these, but have to show you folks what my friend Reya 
>> >> Mellicker is offering - and she is willing to let Apache Open Office use 
>> >> it as you see fit.  If you need an email consent or something, I can get 
>> >> that as well from her. What do you think?
>> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834929/CloudsReyaMellicker.jpg
>> >>
>> >
>> > Hi Nancy
>> >
>> > Thanks - I'll see if there is something I can do with that.
>> >
>> > OK - I've updated all three pieces
>> > http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-label-win.png
>> > http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-sleeve-win.png
>> > http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-folded-win.png
>> >
>> > will leave these as is for now - any ideas on better content, etc.
>> > appreciated.
>> >
>>
>> Missing 't' in Productivity in
>> http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-label-win.png
>>
>> Also it looks like you have (C) for the MS Office, etc.  I assume you
>> want to acknowledge their trademark, not copyright.
>
>
> Alright, Productivity now has a 't' where it should be, on all three
> pieces.
>
> The (c) is now a (r) for the MS trademarks.
>
> Made the copy changes, per Nancy's recommendations - reads better now,
> thank you Nancy.

It's not 100% clear to me if the CD contains just the Software
Development Kit for the suite, or if it contains the SDK in addition
to the suite.

I suspect the latter, but perhaps consider adding "includes" before
the SDK text.

> Pushed png with those changes to the URLs listed above.
>
> The clock/calendar tells me I need to call these done - unless someone
> sees a real issue with anything there.
>
> So - question - is this the point where I need to send an email to the
> ASF trademark mail list?
>
> //drew
>

Re: First Year Anniversary - party CD

[drew]

On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 23:26 -0300, Albino B Neto wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> 2012/6/7 drew :
> > OK - I've updated all three pieces
> > http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-label-win.png
> > http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-sleeve-win.png
> > http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-folded-win.png
> 
> Good designer!
> 
> Could add O.S Linux too.

Howdy Albino,

I was not planning on a Linux iso image, not for this go-round at least
- because of time.

In fact not sure I should even try for the Mac disk, as I have no Mac to
try it on and with turn around time on uploads/someone checks/fix trying
to hit this coming Wed for release is going to be a trick..

If you want to jump in and put together a Linux disk however - that
would be great. The SVG files used to produce the PNG images, listed
above, are on that server now - just replace the png for svg in the file
name :)

//drew 

Re: First Year Anniversary - party CD

[drew]

On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 21:13 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:43 PM, drew  wrote:
> > On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 14:35 -0700, Nancy K wrote:
> >> I do like all of these, but have to show you folks what my friend Reya 
> >> Mellicker is offering - and she is willing to let Apache Open Office use 
> >> it as you see fit.  If you need an email consent or something, I can get 
> >> that as well from her. What do you think?
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834929/CloudsReyaMellicker.jpg
> >>
> >
> > Hi Nancy
> >
> > Thanks - I'll see if there is something I can do with that.
> >
> > OK - I've updated all three pieces
> > http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-label-win.png
> > http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-sleeve-win.png
> > http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-folded-win.png
> >
> > will leave these as is for now - any ideas on better content, etc.
> > appreciated.
> >
> 
> Missing 't' in Productivity in
> http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-label-win.png
> 
> Also it looks like you have (C) for the MS Office, etc.  I assume you
> want to acknowledge their trademark, not copyright.


Alright, Productivity now has a 't' where it should be, on all three
pieces.

The (c) is now a (r) for the MS trademarks. 

Made the copy changes, per Nancy's recommendations - reads better now,
thank you Nancy.

Pushed png with those changes to the URLs listed above.

The clock/calendar tells me I need to call these done - unless someone
sees a real issue with anything there.

So - question - is this the point where I need to send an email to the
ASF trademark mail list?

//drew

Re: Unofficial OpenSolaris/SPARC 3.4 build

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Nicolas Christener
 wrote:
> Hi Rob
>
> On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 11:29 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
> [...]
>> Congratulation!
>
> Thank you :)
>
>> Would you like more public awareness of this test build?   Do you want
>> to find more users to help test?
>
> We would very welcome more testing and more feedback! It's our goal to
> achieve the same quality for the Solaris builds as for all the other
> builds. The more people looking at the build the better :)
>
>> If you are interested (and willing) I'd be happy to do an email
>> interview with you for a blog post.  Questions would be related to
>> your work on the AOO Solaris port, why this is important to your
>> company, what kind of users do you have, why the move to Apache is a
>> good thing, etc.  It can be a "group interview" if there is more than
>> one person who wants to answer.
>
> Wow, this would be very nice! As there are different people involved in
> our team, we would love to do such a group interview by mail :)
>

Great.  I've sent you some questions via email.

Also, did you see this thread asking about Solaris support?

http://compgroups.net/comp.unix.solaris/apache-openoffice-for-solaris/1108687

Rob

> Thank you very much for your kind support, we really appreciate it!
>
> Kind regards
> Nicolas Christener
>
> --
> Adfinis SyGroup AG
> Nicolas Christener, Bereichsleiter Software-Entwicklung
>
> Keltenstrasse 98, CH-3018 Bern
> Tel. +41 31 550 31 11, Mob. +41 76 335 32 57

Re: buildbot failure in ASF Buildbot on openoffice-linux64-nightly

[Andrew Rist]

I believe the current build problems are due to the change in the 
location of external tar balls.

How should the build get these using the new script?

Andrew

On 6/7/2012 9:29 PM, build...@apache.org wrote:

The Buildbot has finished a build on builder openoffice-linux64-nightly while 
building ASF Buildbot.
Full details are available at:
  http://ci.apache.org/builders/openoffice-linux64-nightly/builds/247

Buildbot URL: http://ci.apache.org/

Buildslave for this Build: tethys_ubuntu

Build Reason: The Nightly scheduler named 'openoffice-linux64-nightly' 
triggered this build
Build Source Stamp: [branch incubator/ooo/trunk] HEAD
Blamelist:

BUILD FAILED: failed shell_1

sincerely,
  -The Buildbot

Re: [Marketing][UX] Who wants to do a Content Experiment?

[Andrew Rist]

Can we determine a way to stop cross posting to both ooo-marketing and 
ooo-dev?

(it seems that the majority of posts to ooo-mkt are cross posted)
I think this is blocking ooo-marketing from gaining traction on its own.

A.

On 6/8/2012 6:54 AM, Rob Weir wrote:

A "Content Experiment" is when we create several version of the same
web page and test it with users to see which version performs best.

Re: After long-running GUI testing, AOO3.4 becomes slower and slower, and occupies more and more memory

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Zhe Liu  wrote:
> Hi all,
> This week I did some long-running GUI testing on AOO 3.4 using Java on
> my iMac. After about 23 hours, the memory occupied by soffice changed
> from 90MB to 600MB. And soffice became very slow.
> My scenario is
> 1. Create new Text Document/Spreadsheet/Presentation/Drawing.
> 2. Input some simple text in it.
> 3. Save and then reopen it.
> 4. Repeat the above steps.

How many iterations of this loop did you do in 23 hours?

It would be good to know the average leak per iteration, i.e., (600-90MB)/N == ?

Although few end-users will use AOO like this, it is a good example of
what someone might do if they ran OpenOffice on the server, to
automate document conversions, etc.  So it is important to reduce
memory leaks.

> I think AOO has memory leak issue. Did we perform this kind of testing before?

Not in 3.4.

> --
> Best Regards
> From aliu...@gmail.com

Re: Installation Experience and Feedback

[sebb]

On 7 June 2012 03:57, Gavin McDonald  wrote:
> Hi All,




> 1. Download OpenOffice 3.4 from openoffice.org mirror. -- Time: 2 minutes.
>
> 2. Unpack . -- Time: < 1 minute.
>
> 3. Install. -- Time: 2 minutes.
>
> 4. Erm, nothing e4lse, we are done!
>
> It really was as painless and quick as that. Well Done Guys n Gals!
>
> I do have a few observations that someone might think Bugzilla worthy (all
> minor):
>


> b. The program 'Unpacks' to a folder on the 'Desktop' - Why? Really we
> should be choosing the 'Downloads' folder.

Better yet, use a folder under %TEMP% and delete it after use.

AFAICT, the unpacked files are only needed for installation, and one
still has the initial download, so why clutter up the disk?

Re: Homepage still showing 1 million downloads in sidebar ...

[Kay Schenk]

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Rony G. Flatscher (Apache)
>  wrote:
> > FYI,  shows the following text in the right
> sidebar:
> >
> >
> >Apache OpenOffice 3.4 Blows Past 1M Downloads
> >
> >After last week's release of Apache OpenOffice 3.4, the project is
> pleased to note the strong
> >positive reception by users and the press. Apache OpenOffice 3.4 has
> been downloaded over one
> >million times! 
> >
> > As there are more than 3M by now, this text should either get removed
> (replaced by another
> > up-to-date news item) or constantly updated.
> >
>
> I've updated.
>
> I've been hacking at some python automation around extracting the
> stats from SourceForge and updating counts and charts automatically.
> Almost there.  Dave was also looking into this from the cron
> perspective.
>
> -Rob
>

cool! Nice to see this display...


>
> > ---rony
>



-- 

MzK

"Everything will be all right in the end...
  if it's not all right then it's not the end. "
 -- Sonny, "The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel"

Re: Please introduce yourself on the list here

[Kay Schenk]

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have reviewed some issues and found that it is hard to identify the
> real names behind some emails etc.
>
> I would like to suggest that people send a short introduction to the
> list here and tell us a little bit about yourself and the motivation to
> join the project and work with us on the code.
>
> It's mainly to give the credits to the people who earn it ;-)
>
> Means in the svn logs by setting the Patch By, Fodun By, ...
>
> Juergen
>

Juergen--

There's a boiler plate welcome message that is sent to new subscribers as
you may know. Perhaps we could get some wording added to that to request
this kind of introduction as a first message post. I will try to find out
how to contact to do this.

Would you like to suggest some wording  for this, assuming it can be
changed.

-- 

MzK

"Everything will be all right in the end...
  if it's not all right then it's not the end. "
 -- Sonny, "The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel"

Re: Request for Apache License for CWSs

[Pedro Giffuni]

Hi Ariel;

--- Ven 8/6/12, Ariel Constenla-Haile  ha scritto:
...

> 
> You are missing the context:
> 
> - the Internship was
>   http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Internship
> - it was payed by Team OpenOffice.org on behalf of the
> Community Council
>   with community resources
> - the contributor signed the SCA
>   
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Internship#Terms_.26_Conditions
> 
> This means the Intern owns the copyright on the code she/he
> wrote. The issue in this case is that Daniel and Eike both
> contributed code being Oracle employees.
> 

Ah, OK ...

I think the owner was the organization that paid, but one
of the conditions for the internship was clearly to sign
the JCA so only Oracle has control of the copyright
without any reasonable doubt. 

Just for reference.. I once needed a header from a GSoC
project that was written for Haiku (under MIT license).
I needed that header under BSD 2 Clause license so I
contacted the author. The author was paid by Google
to do the project so instead of relicensing directly
he had me contact the Haiku guys to get the header
relicensed.

After a long delay to get any answer, finally Haiku
said it was OK to relicense the header under a BSD
license but it took so long that I didn't really
use the header at all. Hopefully we will get to
use it for another GSoC this year :-P.

Pedro.

Re: Request for Apache License for CWSs

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 08:29:44AM -0700, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
> > If Marina was in the internship program, then she was not an
> > Oracle employee, and the joint copyright assignment she
> > signed does not take her rights over the code. AINAL,
> > but I guess the situation is different
> > with code written by former Oracle employees working for
> > OOo.
> > 
> 
> If the internship was paid (which is usual in internships
> involved in doing anything copyrightable) the code is owned
> by the employer. If the internship was not paid then the
> company can argue she used company resources (tutors, etc)
> that were not available under other conditions. Interns are
> not different to regular employees in such cases.

You are missing the context:

- the Internship was
  http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Internship
- it was payed by Team OpenOffice.org on behalf of the Community Council
  with community resources
- the contributor signed the SCA
  
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Internship#Terms_.26_Conditions

This means the Intern owns the copyright on the code she/he wrote. The
issue in this case is that Daniel and Eike both contributed code being
Oracle employees.


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: Request for Apache License for CWSs

[Pedro Giffuni]

Hello Eike;

--- Ven 8/6/12, Eike Rathke ha scritto:

> Hi,
> 
> On Wednesday, 2012-05-23 13:54:31 +0200, Regina Henschel
> wrote:
> 
> > For AOO itself the CWS calcishmakkica is important.
> 
> I'd like to bring this up on the radar again. The CWS
> contains important work implementing spreadsheet
> formulas defined by ODF OpenFormula, done by Marina
> during an OOo internship, myself as mentor and
> Daniel for the Excel import/export. It would be
> unnecessary to redo all the work, which
> is quite some amount, if we could get the changes
> of this CWS under ALv2 soon.
> 
> So how to proceed?
>

Well, as you know, the only proved way to get code from
a CWS relicensed is to commit it to the tree and wait
for the ASF to make a release with it. Other alternatives
have to be arranged directly with the copyright owner.

Breaking the build or bringing stuff that doesn't work
is not acceptable so I would suggest you make available
the patch and give a couple of days before committing it
just to make sure there are no objections.

Of course you are a committer, so you can create a branch
if you want to do some special work on it before getting
it integrated.

best regards,

Pedro.

Re: Request for Apache License for CWSs

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
> FWIW,
>
> --- Ven 8/6/12, Ariel Constenla-Haile ha scritto:
> ...
>>
>> If Marina was in the internship program, then she was not an
>> Oracle employee, and the joint copyright assignment she
>> signed does not take her rights over the code. AINAL,
>> but I guess the situation is different
>> with code written by former Oracle employees working for
>> OOo.
>>
>
> If the internship was paid (which is usual in internships
> involved in doing anything copyrightable) the code is owned
> by the employer. If the internship was not paid then the
> company can argue she used company resources (tutors, etc)
> that were not available under other conditions. Interns are
> not different to regular employees in such cases.
>

I'd start with asking the intern first, and then Oracle.  But with
some tact.  I can't think of any large corporation (or small one) that
prefers to deal with such questions on a public mailing list.

> But IANAL,
>
> Pedro.
>

Re: Request for Apache License for CWSs

[Pedro Giffuni]

FWIW,

--- Ven 8/6/12, Ariel Constenla-Haile ha scritto:
...
> 
> If Marina was in the internship program, then she was not an
> Oracle employee, and the joint copyright assignment she
> signed does not take her rights over the code. AINAL,
> but I guess the situation is different
> with code written by former Oracle employees working for
> OOo.
> 

If the internship was paid (which is usual in internships
involved in doing anything copyrightable) the code is owned
by the employer. If the internship was not paid then the
company can argue she used company resources (tutors, etc)
that were not available under other conditions. Interns are
not different to regular employees in such cases.

But IANAL,

Pedro.

Re: Request bugzilla privilege

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:14 AM, Herbert Duerr  wrote:
> On 08.06.2012 06:07, Ji Yan wrote:
>>
>> I found some duplicated defect in bugzilla and want to change stauts to
>> "Duplicate", but have no privilege to do that. Could somebody grants me
>> the
>> rights? Thanks in advanced
>
>
> I'm sure nobody will object that I added you to the edit-bugs group when he
> checked your many very good QA contributions in http://s.apache.org/ODg for
> yanji...@gmail.com .
>

Note that there is a group defined called "qa-team".  If you assign
volunteers, on request, to that group, then they automatically get
canconfirm and editbugs privileges.  This is nicer, in some ways, than
assigning atomic permissions explicitly.  For example, we can adjust
the permission set for that role in the future.  Maybe the next update
of BZ introduces a new permission, we can easily give it to everyone
in "qa-team", etc.

And a reminder to all committers, if you set your BZ account to use
your apache.org email address then you automatically added to qa-team
and have these same permissions.

-Rob

> Herbert
>

Re: Homepage still showing 1 million downloads in sidebar ...

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Rony G. Flatscher (Apache)
 wrote:
> FYI,  shows the following text in the right 
> sidebar:
>
>
>        Apache OpenOffice 3.4 Blows Past 1M Downloads
>
>    After last week's release of Apache OpenOffice 3.4, the project is pleased 
> to note the strong
>    positive reception by users and the press. Apache OpenOffice 3.4 has been 
> downloaded over one
>    million times! 
>
> As there are more than 3M by now, this text should either get removed 
> (replaced by another
> up-to-date news item) or constantly updated.
>

I've updated.

I've been hacking at some python automation around extracting the
stats from SourceForge and updating counts and charts automatically.
Almost there.  Dave was also looking into this from the cron
perspective.

-Rob

> ---rony

Re: Request for Apache License for CWSs

[Eike Rathke]

Hi Ariel,

Andrew on Cc.

On Friday, 2012-06-08 08:44:51 -0300, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

> If Marina was in the internship program, then she was not an Oracle
> employee, and the joint copyright assignment she signed does not take
> her rights over the code. AINAL, but I guess the situation is different
> with code written by former Oracle employees working for OOo.

Of course she has rights over her code, but she also contributed the
code under the SCA/OCA to OOo, so Oracle has the same rights on the code
as on every other code of every contributor to the project.

> > It would be unnecessary to redo all the work, which
> > is quite some amount, if we could get the changes of this CWS under ALv2
> > soon.
> > 
> > So how to proceed?
> 
> If my interpretation is right, Marina can take all the code she wrote in
> this CWS and commit it in LO and/or AOO without asking Oracle's
> permission.

Yes she could, but the complete work is done by three persons, all under
the copyright of Oracle. IMHO the changes of these CWSs were intended to
be covered by the source code grant to Apache.

Andrew, could you provide insights on this?

Thanks
  Eike

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Homepage still showing 1 million downloads in sidebar ...

[Rony G. Flatscher (Apache)]

FYI,  shows the following text in the right sidebar:


Apache OpenOffice 3.4 Blows Past 1M Downloads

After last week's release of Apache OpenOffice 3.4, the project is pleased 
to note the strong
positive reception by users and the press. Apache OpenOffice 3.4 has been 
downloaded over one
million times! 

As there are more than 3M by now, this text should either get removed (replaced 
by another
up-to-date news item) or constantly updated.

---rony

[Marketing][UX] Who wants to do a Content Experiment?

[Rob Weir]

A "Content Experiment" is when we create several version of the same
web page and test it with users to see which version performs best.
Google Analystics has a feature where it can run such experiments for
us automatically, tracking all the statistics for us, and telling us
which version of a page gives the optimal results.

One particular scenario I think we could really improve on is what I
call the "Windows Unrecognized ODF File" scenario.  It goes like this;

1. The user is a Windows user that does not have OpenOffice installed,
or any other application that understands ODF files.  So no
LibreOffice, no AbiWord, not even Office 2007 SP2 or Office 2010 (both
of which support ODF).

2. User receives an ODF document, from email, from the web, or some other means.

3.  User tries to launch the ODF file.

4. Because the user does not have an ODF application installed,
Windows gives the user a dialog box with the following

---
Windows cannot open this file:

foo.odt

To open this file, Windows needs to know what program created it.
Windows can go online to look it up automatically, or you can manually
select from a list of programs on your computer.

What do you want to do?

-- Use the Web service to find the appropriate program

-- Select the program from a list

---

5.  User picks the first option (Use the Web service) and is brought
to the following page:
http://shell.windows.com/fileassoc/0409/xml/redir.asp?Ext=odt

6. User selects OpenOffice and are brought to this page:
http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html

Note that we have no control up to this point.  The above steps are
all user interactions with Microsoft Windows and Microsoft's website.
The only thing we really control is the contents of the destination
website (step 6).  Technically, it is easily to make this redirect to
a different page just for users who come from the Microsoft web
service.  So we can easily show a customized page that better targets
this scenario.

Note that the user reaching this point probably knows nothing about
ODF or about OpenOffice.  They are just plopped into this download
page with almost no context.   For example, there is zero mention of
ODF on this page.  Maybe this is why only 30% of the users who reach
this page from the web service actually downloaded OpenOffice.  This
is much lower than visitors who reach our download page from other
means.

Can we improve on this?

Note: we get more referrals from this Windows web service than we get
referrals from any other website.  So helping these users quickly
understand what their options are and why they might want to
download/install OpenOffice is quite important.

So here is the experiment.  Let's try to get a handful of alternate
destination pages that speak to this scenario and provide the
information that would be most useful to this kind of user.  It could
be a modified version of the download page.  It could be a new
intermediate landing page that provides context and then links to the
existing download page.  Whatever you think would work best.

We can then run the experiment, say for a month,  letting Google
randomly present users with the various alternate pages and measure
what the download %'s are for each version.  The winner will gain
eternal fame and glory, maybe even a blog post.

I'm willing to do the technical work on setting up the experiment and
prepping the website to support it.  What I need are volunteers to
come up with alternate landing pages for this scenario, ones that we
can include in the experiment.

Questions?

-Rob

Re: Disk space needed - AOOo Build for OSX

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 6/7/12 10:35 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
> 
> On Jun 7, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> 
>> I'm creating some OSX 10.6 and 10.5 VM partitions, mostly to
>> play around with building AOOo (as you know, 10.7 and the latest
>> Xcode are no-nos)... what's a realistic expectation regarding how
>> much available disk space is needed?
> 
> The directory left over from my release testing is 6.55 GB - that's not XCode 
> or anything else.
> 
> I am on 10.6.8
> 

I checked my local directory where I have a checked out the AOO34 branch
and where I am building 3.4.1

After building with all 15 languages I have 18G in the directory. I
would make the VM big enough

Juergen

Re: [RELEASE] requesting 3.4.1 release blocker: 119928 - AOO 3.4.1: change UpdateURL

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 6/8/12 3:42 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am requesting issue 119928 [1].
> I am also volunteering to work on this task.
> 
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119928
> 
> 
> Best regards, Oliver.

+1

Juergen

Re: [Call-for-Review] Fix for bug 119870 (Line transparency value is lost after saving as ppt by AOO)

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 6/8/12 12:04 PM, debin lei wrote:
> Hi, all
> 
> I had a fix for bug 119870
> 
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119870
> 
> Can anyone help to review the fix?
> Thank you!

I will take care of it

Juergen

[RELEASE] requesting 3.4.1 release blocker: 119928 - AOO 3.4.1: change UpdateURL

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

I am requesting issue 119928 [1].
I am also volunteering to work on this task.

[1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119928


Best regards, Oliver.

Re: [DISCUSS] Pootle and New Contributor Category

[Juan C. Sanz]

El 08/06/2012 1:22, Rob Weir escribió:

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

On Jun 7, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:


On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:


+1 on this discussion so far.

I was skeptical but I favor how this is going.

Also, the anonymous contribution to pootle is a no-no.

- Dennis

PS: Changing to the [DISCUSS] that is called for and to have it be visible.

-Original Message-
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 09:41
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: *DRAFT FINAL* June board report

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
 wrote:

On 6/7/12 12:10 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:

On 7 June 2012 11:02, Jürgen Schmidt 

wrote:

On 6/7/12 11:54 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:

On 7 June 2012 10:47, Jürgen Schmidt 

wrote:

On 6/7/12 11:28 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:

On 7 June 2012 05:50, Herbert Duerr  wrote:

...


I think we maybe should add one more topic here: Working with

pootle

currently requires committership, which results in translators

having having

to be fast-tracked when they show up on the mailing list. The

board needs to

decide if this short-circuiting of the process is desirable or not

and what

the alternatives are.

No, need, that's not a board level issue. It's up to the project to

define its

own expectations of committers.

it's a very bad limitation. I would prefer a user management which
allows registration (by email verification) of new users and where

new

users agree to contribute under the Apache license. Maybe combined

with

an iCLA but not necessarily require to be committer.

But I am not sure if something like that would be possible at all.

Otherwise we have to deal with the current approach and hope that we

can

reach volunteers to accept this approach and work together with them

on

a fast-track.

I agree that the limitation suboptimal.

I suggest someone take this up with legal-discuss@ If legal@ feel

able

to approve a more relaxed approach to iCLAs for access to Pootle then
infra@ can be asked to find a technical solution.

I agree and thanks to remind me that I should take the appropriate
action to address things like that ;-)

Careful with the "I" - madness lies that way ;-)

This is the perfect opportunity for someone lurking here to make an
early and potentially very significant contribution. Shepherding these
kinds of actions takes time away from those embedded in the coding.
It's a good way to earn merit while you figure out where to contribute
to the project. If someone like that is reading but not sure how to
proceed I'm sure others will help guide you.

I agree but the idea is not really new and nothing happened so far ;-)

Thinking more about it I would like to discuss a new term "Apache
contributor" where users can register for an user account by accepting
that all their contributions are under ALv2. The verification can be by
email verification and the iCLA can be required as well (details have to
be defined). With such accounts people would get access to more pubic
wikis (like our user wiki), tools like Pootle, bugzilla etc.


The "contributor" role at Apache already handles this.  A contributor
can already register in Bugzilla, post patches, register in the wiki,
contribute documentation, etc.

What a contributor cannot do is directly modify the product code in
SVN.  So they are in RTC mode with respect to product code, including
translations.

I think the disconnect here is we only have an anonymous method for
contributors to add translations to Pootle.  I can see the
justification for requiring non-committers to submit translations as
patches in BZ or via suggestions in Pootle.  But the anonymous part of
this is completely wrong, both from community and from legal
standpoint.

For example, those who contribute to Pootle, anonymously, see their
contributions marked as being from "nobody" in the UI:
https://translate.apache.org/projects/OOo_34/

Isn't that rather insulting?


[reposted since I didn't see this topic change]

yes, it is...I thought Juergen was suggesting that some special submission
access if you will be granted to the Pootle server.

As in we would like to be able to allow people with an iCLA on file to register 
for access to the pootle server.

We can call these people "invited translators"


Why not allow that to everyone?  I'm trying to see what harm would
come from that?  No one needs special permission to enter a BZ issue
and attach a patch.  Why can't someone log into Pootle and enter a
suggestion?  Is there a technical reason why this is not happening?

+1
But as far as I can remember it didn't work properly
http://markmail.org/message/kahew2uqvrzmf4ag?q=list:org%2Eapache%2Eincubator%2Eooo-dev+pootle+suggestion

Re: *DRAFT FINAL* June board report

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 6/8/12 1:55 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
> Hi Ross, *,
> 
> On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 07:58:25AM +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:
>> I'm a little concerned about this idea of AOO being somehow different from
>> other Apache projects. 
> 
> I agree.
> 
>> Its not, its just software. In Apache projects everyone is equal. If
>> someone earns merit they earn merit, it makes no difference how that
>> merit is earned.
>>
>> The issue here should not be a different class of contributor it
>> should be how to facilitate a different type of contribution and thus
>> bootstrap their involvement in the project. Please don't create an
>> artificial layer of hierarchy in order to do that. Hierarchy in an
>> open development project is bad.
>>
>> Note we have a VP who has never written a line of code in their life.
>> As far as I'm aware they have never written a translation string or
>> any documentation. Despite this there was no need to create a new
>> class of community member to bring them into the ASF.
>>
>> I propose the problem is in the workflow not in the structure of ASF
>> projects. If that is the case then we need to examine why
>> non-committer translators are unable to contribute efficiently. Find
>> out why our default policies say they need to be committees and
>> address that issue.
>>
>> For example, are contributions to Pootle any different to patches sent
>> via JIR# from an IP point of view? If not then there is no need for an
>> ICLA but there is a need for an audit trail.
> 
> IMHO the issue is not in the Apache Way of doing things, but in how the
> Pootle server works (or was set up). The most clear example is the CMS:
> you can make modifications and send a patch from within the CMS without
> being a committer: http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html#non-committer
> You log-in as anonymous user, but when mailing the diff you can identify
> yourself. Something similar could be implemented in pootle.
> 

I would say Pootle has everything that is needed. We would only need a
mechanism to allow user registration as non committer, as possible for
bugzilla or the wiki.

More fine grained rights can we define and set per project in Pootle.
This way way we can make sure that in case of AOO registered users can
make suggestions. Other projects can handle it differently.

The "patch" mechanism here is to make suggestions as a known person.

Juergen


> 
> Regards

Re: *DRAFT FINAL* June board report

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

Hi Ross, *,

On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 07:58:25AM +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:
> I'm a little concerned about this idea of AOO being somehow different from
> other Apache projects. 

I agree.

> Its not, its just software. In Apache projects everyone is equal. If
> someone earns merit they earn merit, it makes no difference how that
> merit is earned.
> 
> The issue here should not be a different class of contributor it
> should be how to facilitate a different type of contribution and thus
> bootstrap their involvement in the project. Please don't create an
> artificial layer of hierarchy in order to do that. Hierarchy in an
> open development project is bad.
> 
> Note we have a VP who has never written a line of code in their life.
> As far as I'm aware they have never written a translation string or
> any documentation. Despite this there was no need to create a new
> class of community member to bring them into the ASF.
> 
> I propose the problem is in the workflow not in the structure of ASF
> projects. If that is the case then we need to examine why
> non-committer translators are unable to contribute efficiently. Find
> out why our default policies say they need to be committees and
> address that issue.
> 
> For example, are contributions to Pootle any different to patches sent
> via JIR# from an IP point of view? If not then there is no need for an
> ICLA but there is a need for an audit trail.

IMHO the issue is not in the Apache Way of doing things, but in how the
Pootle server works (or was set up). The most clear example is the CMS:
you can make modifications and send a patch from within the CMS without
being a committer: http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html#non-committer
You log-in as anonymous user, but when mailing the diff you can identify
yourself. Something similar could be implemented in pootle.


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
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Re: Question about Layout In Table Cell property in WW8filter

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

On 08.06.2012 12:07, ZuoJun Chen wrote:

Hi, Oliver

Thanks again for your patch to issue 119624. also I benefit a lot from
your response  :)

Does the change from nLayoutInTableCell&   0x80008000 to nLayoutInTableCell
== 0x80008000 mean that

the value 0x80008000 is the flag indicates Layout in Table cell property
has been checked,



Yes, at least this reveals from my investigations.


while 0x8000 isn't ?  And I want to figure out the different meaning
  between 0x80008000 and 0x8000

since I cannot see further information except parameter 0x03BF indicates
the AutoFormat options

in MS Word binary format specification.



As I had never a deep look into this specification I do not know more.

My investigations results in the implementation of method 



- value == 0x means "LayoutInTableCell" is set
- value == 0x80008000 means "LayoutInTableCell" is set
- ( value & 0x0200 AND
!(value & 0x8000) ) means "LayoutInTableCell" is set


Best regards, Oliver.




2012/6/8 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann


Hi,


On 07.06.2012 15:47, ZuoJun Chen wrote:


2012/6/7 Oliver-Rainer 
Wittmann




  Hi,



On 07.06.2012 13:34, ZuoJun Chen wrote:

  Hi, All,


 There is an attribute for anchored objects named "Layout In Table
Cell
property"  in MS Word.

WW8 filter will check this attribute when import shape in table. I am
puzzled that there are two hex magic number

0x80008000 and 0x8000 in ww8graf.cxx Line 2483.  From the
discussion in issue
84783





**, I can see that



these

number may associate with MS Word Binary File Format Specification, not
sure
whether both number indicate that

"Layout in table cell" is set. I checked the documentation but didn't
found
more details. So I post this mail

  to see if I could get any sort of advice.


  I am the author of the corresponding method
IsObjectLayoutInTableCell(..)>

containing the above "magic number" interpretation. As far as I remember
the initial implementation was done this issue 84783 and an adoption has
been made with issue 98037.

As far as I remembering it correct the implemented interpretation of this
"magic number" was done by the evaluation of different Microsoft Word
documents created with different Microsoft Office versions.

I am currently looking at issue 119624. The root cause of this issue
seems
to be related to my implemetation in method.

I have to do some further investigations - please stay tuned for the
results.


  Hi, Oliver,


Thank you for you reply. I think the number considering a flag to
indicate

whether the "Layout In Table Cell“ property has been checked.

However, when use nLayoutInTableCell&   0x80008000 to determine the


property. Both 0x80008000 or  0x8000 can set the
bIsObjectLayoutInTableCell = true.

Do the two hex number represent same meaning?



No, I do not think so.

My implementation of the conditions in 
method
is wrong I think.
It must must be:
if ( nLayoutInTableCell == 0x || // no explicit attribute value
given
 nLayoutInTableCell == 0x80008000 ||
^^
 ( nLayoutInTableCell&  0x0200&&
   !(nLayoutInTableCell&  0x8000 ) ) )
{
bIsObjectLayoutInTableCell = true;
}
else
{
bIsObjectLayoutInTableCell = false;
}

Testing "nLayoutInTableCell&  0x80008000" in the second condition does not
make sense regarding the third condition.

The above change in one part of the fix for issue 119624 in order to get
the horizontal position correctly mapped. Because this a corrected method
  the following code
found in method  will apply:
  // -->  OD 2005-01-20 #118546# - if the object is anchored inside
  // a table cell, is horizontal aligned at frame|character and
  // has wrap through, but its attribute 'layout in table cell' isn't set,
  // convert its horizontal alignment to page text area.
  // -->  OD 2008-04-10 #i84783# - use new method

  if ( nInTable&&
   ( eHoriRel == text::RelOrientation::FRAME ||
 eHoriRel == text::RelOrientation::CHAR )&&
   pFSPA->nwr == 3&&
// pRecord->nLayoutInTableCell == 0x8000 )
   !IsObjectLayoutInTableCell( pRecord->nLayoutInTableCell ) )
  {
  eHoriRel = text::RelOrientation::PAGE_**PRINT_AREA;
  }
  //<--

I have attached a corresponding patch for the above code changes to issue
119624.

But, there are more defects with the import and layout of Microsoft Word
document given at issue 119624 - please my comments in this issue.

Best regards, Oliver.

Re: Request for Apache License for CWSs

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

Hi Eike,

On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 01:28:59PM +0200, Eike Rathke wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Wednesday, 2012-05-23 13:54:31 +0200, Regina Henschel wrote:
> 
> > For AOO itself the CWS calcishmakkica is important.
> 
> I'd like to bring this up on the radar again. The CWS contains important
> work implementing spreadsheet formulas defined by ODF OpenFormula, done
> by Marina during an OOo internship, myself as mentor and Daniel for the
> Excel import/export. 

If Marina was in the internship program, then she was not an Oracle
employee, and the joint copyright assignment she signed does not take
her rights over the code. AINAL, but I guess the situation is different
with code written by former Oracle employees working for OOo.

> It would be unnecessary to redo all the work, which
> is quite some amount, if we could get the changes of this CWS under ALv2
> soon.
> 
> So how to proceed?

If my interpretation is right, Marina can take all the code she wrote in
this CWS and commit it in LO and/or AOO without asking Oracle's
permission.


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: [Call-for-Review] Bug 119478 (Number formating are changed after save and reopen it again)

[Andre Fischer]

Changed title to correct bug id.

On 08.06.2012 06:40, Steve Yin wrote:

Hi all,

The fix for bug 119907 is ready.


Thanks for the good work.



Here is the link: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119907

Could you please to review it?


Done.

I took the liberty to remove the commented out code.  It is still in 
SVN.  Revision is 1348028.


-Andre



Thanks.

Re: Request for Apache License for CWSs

[Eike Rathke]

Hi,

On Wednesday, 2012-05-23 13:54:31 +0200, Regina Henschel wrote:

> For AOO itself the CWS calcishmakkica is important.

I'd like to bring this up on the radar again. The CWS contains important
work implementing spreadsheet formulas defined by ODF OpenFormula, done
by Marina during an OOo internship, myself as mentor and Daniel for the
Excel import/export. It would be unnecessary to redo all the work, which
is quite some amount, if we could get the changes of this CWS under ALv2
soon.

So how to proceed?

  Eike

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Please introduce yourself on the list here

[Jürgen Schmidt]

Hi,

I have reviewed some issues and found that it is hard to identify the
real names behind some emails etc.

I would like to suggest that people send a short introduction to the
list here and tell us a little bit about yourself and the motivation to
join the project and work with us on the code.

It's mainly to give the credits to the people who earn it ;-)

Means in the svn logs by setting the Patch By, Fodun By, ...

Juergen

Re: Question about Layout In Table Cell property in WW8filter

[ZuoJun Chen]

Hi, Oliver

   Thanks again for your patch to issue 119624. also I benefit a lot from
your response  :)

   Does the change from nLayoutInTableCell &  0x80008000 to nLayoutInTableCell
== 0x80008000 mean that

the value 0x80008000 is the flag indicates Layout in Table cell property
has been checked,

while 0x8000 isn't ?  And I want to figure out the different meaning
 between 0x80008000 and 0x8000

since I cannot see further information except parameter 0x03BF indicates
the AutoFormat options

in MS Word binary format specification.



2012/6/8 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 

> Hi,
>
>
> On 07.06.2012 15:47, ZuoJun Chen wrote:
>
>> 2012/6/7 Oliver-Rainer 
>> Wittmann
>> >
>>
>>  Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07.06.2012 13:34, ZuoJun Chen wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi, All,

 There is an attribute for anchored objects named "Layout In Table
 Cell
 property"  in MS Word.

 WW8 filter will check this attribute when import shape in table. I am
 puzzled that there are two hex magic number

 0x80008000 and 0x8000 in ww8graf.cxx Line 2483.  From the
 discussion in issue
 84783
 >

> **, I can see that
>

 these

 number may associate with MS Word Binary File Format Specification, not
 sure
 whether both number indicate that

 "Layout in table cell" is set. I checked the documentation but didn't
 found
 more details. So I post this mail

  to see if I could get any sort of advice.


  I am the author of the corresponding method>> IsObjectLayoutInTableCell(..)>
>>>
>>> containing the above "magic number" interpretation. As far as I remember
>>> the initial implementation was done this issue 84783 and an adoption has
>>> been made with issue 98037.
>>>
>>> As far as I remembering it correct the implemented interpretation of this
>>> "magic number" was done by the evaluation of different Microsoft Word
>>> documents created with different Microsoft Office versions.
>>>
>>> I am currently looking at issue 119624. The root cause of this issue
>>> seems
>>> to be related to my implemetation in method>> IsObjectLayoutInTableCell(..)>.
>>>
>>> I have to do some further investigations - please stay tuned for the
>>> results.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Hi, Oliver,
>>
>>Thank you for you reply. I think the number considering a flag to
>> indicate
>>
>> whether the "Layout In Table Cell“ property has been checked.
>>
>> However, when use nLayoutInTableCell&  0x80008000 to determine the
>>
>>
>> property. Both 0x80008000 or  0x8000 can set the
>> bIsObjectLayoutInTableCell = true.
>>
>> Do the two hex number represent same meaning?
>>
>>
> No, I do not think so.
>
> My implementation of the conditions in method 
> 
> is wrong I think.
> It must must be:
> if ( nLayoutInTableCell == 0x || // no explicit attribute value
> given
> nLayoutInTableCell == 0x80008000 ||
>^^
> ( nLayoutInTableCell & 0x0200 &&
>   !(nLayoutInTableCell & 0x8000 ) ) )
> {
>bIsObjectLayoutInTableCell = true;
> }
> else
> {
>bIsObjectLayoutInTableCell = false;
> }
>
> Testing "nLayoutInTableCell & 0x80008000" in the second condition does not
> make sense regarding the third condition.
>
> The above change in one part of the fix for issue 119624 in order to get
> the horizontal position correctly mapped. Because this a corrected method
>  the following code
> found in method  will apply:
>  // --> OD 2005-01-20 #118546# - if the object is anchored inside
>  // a table cell, is horizontal aligned at frame|character and
>  // has wrap through, but its attribute 'layout in table cell' isn't set,
>  // convert its horizontal alignment to page text area.
>  // --> OD 2008-04-10 #i84783# - use new method
> 
>  if ( nInTable &&
>   ( eHoriRel == text::RelOrientation::FRAME ||
> eHoriRel == text::RelOrientation::CHAR ) &&
>   pFSPA->nwr == 3 &&
> // pRecord->nLayoutInTableCell == 0x8000 )
>   !IsObjectLayoutInTableCell( pRecord->nLayoutInTableCell ) )
>  {
>  eHoriRel = text::RelOrientation::PAGE_**PRINT_AREA;
>  }
>  // <--
>
> I have attached a corresponding patch for the above code changes to issue
> 119624.
>
> But, there are more defects with the import and layout of Microsoft Word
> document given at issue 119624 - please my comments in this issue.
>
> Best regards, Oliver.
>

[Call-for-Review] Fix for bug 119870 (Line transparency value is lost after saving as ppt by AOO)

[debin lei]

Hi, all

I had a fix for bug 119870

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119870

Can anyone help to review the fix?
Thank you!
-- 
Best regards
Lei Debin

Re: [Call-for-Review] Fix for bug 119912 (Crash when redo split the pasted table)

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 6/8/12 11:35 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 6/8/12 11:07 AM, Peng Chen wrote:
>> Jurgen, thank you for review and check in.
> 
> well the patch doesn't compile out of the box.
> 
> bSeqDispose is not declared in the scope, I assume you missed something
> in the patch.
> 
> I did a quick test by declaring it in the loop and it worked but I
> assume you declare it in the header (unochart.hxx)

work means it doesn't crash but the chart is not correct after the redo,
it's empty no DatgaRanges defined etc.

Juergen

> 
> Let me know
> 
> Juergen
> 
>>
>> 2012/6/8 Jürgen Schmidt 
>>
>>> On 6/8/12 10:33 AM, Peng Chen wrote:
 Hi, all

 I had a fix for bug 119912

 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119912 ,
 it is about application crash when undo & redo a split pasted table.

 Can anyone help to review the fix?
 Thank you!

>>> done
>>>
>>> reviewed, built and tested -< patch applied on trunk, no crash anymore
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Juergen
>>>
>>
> 

Re: [Call-for-Review] Fix for bug 119912 (Crash when redo split the pasted table)

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 6/8/12 11:35 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 6/8/12 11:07 AM, Peng Chen wrote:
>> Jurgen, thank you for review and check in.
> 
> well the patch doesn't compile out of the box.
> 
> bSeqDispose is not declared in the scope, I assume you missed something
> in the patch.
> 
> I did a quick test by declaring it in the loop and it worked but I
> assume you declare it in the header (unochart.hxx)
> 
> Let me know

we can chat via IRC or Sametime

Juergen

> 
> Juergen
> 
>>
>> 2012/6/8 Jürgen Schmidt 
>>
>>> On 6/8/12 10:33 AM, Peng Chen wrote:
 Hi, all

 I had a fix for bug 119912

 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119912 ,
 it is about application crash when undo & redo a split pasted table.

 Can anyone help to review the fix?
 Thank you!

>>> done
>>>
>>> reviewed, built and tested -< patch applied on trunk, no crash anymore
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Juergen
>>>
>>
> 

Re: Shape/Form control alt text import and export for Excel 2003

[Jianyuan Li]

Thanks for the reminder. The discussion has been logged in defect comments.
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119903

2012/6/8 zhangjf 

> I suggest you log this discussion into the bug as comments too.
> Although this mail list will be archived too, it is helpful to find
> all it's related background and technical info in one single place.
>
> zhangjf
>
> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Jianyuan Li 
> wrote:
> > Thanks for everyone.
> > I will use "Description" for Alt text because Alt text allow multiple
> lines
> > which are supported by "Description" other than "Title". I have tried
> with
> > "Title", multiple lines will become as one line with return removed after
> > import.
> >
> > 2012/6/8 Armin Le Grand 
> >
> >>Hi Jianyuan Li,
> >>
> >>
> >> On 07.06.2012 10:08, Jianyuan Li wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi, All,
> >>>
> >>> In Excel 2003, for shape and form control, there is an attribute named
> >>> "alt
> >>> text". But Aoo shape and form control do not have an attribute similar
> >>> like
> >>> it. So when Aoo import them, this attribute will be omitted. And on
> >>> exporting it as an Excel 2003 file, this attribute will not be
> exported.
> >>> So
> >>> on opening the export file in Excel 2003, incorrect attribute value
> will
> >>> be
> >>> shown. There is a bug related to it:
> >>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=119659<
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119659>
> >>>
> >>> To fix this issue, is there someone having a good solution? How about
> >>> import alt text as the title(in shape description dialog) in Aoo? And
> then
> >>> export the Aoo title as Excel 2007 alt text?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> There are 'Title', 'Description' and 'Name' properties for each shape.
> >> "alt text" sounds more like many lines, so I would suggest to use
> >> 'Description' for it, maybe there is also a good fit for 'Title'. The
> >> property 'Name' should be a short string and is shown in the navigator,
> >> maybe also a good candidate to add something useful.
> >>
> >> HTH!
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>Armin
> >> --
> >> ALG
> >>
> >>
>

Re: [Call-for-Review] Fix for bug 119912 (Crash when redo split the pasted table)

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 6/8/12 11:07 AM, Peng Chen wrote:
> Jurgen, thank you for review and check in.

well the patch doesn't compile out of the box.

bSeqDispose is not declared in the scope, I assume you missed something
in the patch.

I did a quick test by declaring it in the loop and it worked but I
assume you declare it in the header (unochart.hxx)

Let me know

Juergen

> 
> 2012/6/8 Jürgen Schmidt 
> 
>> On 6/8/12 10:33 AM, Peng Chen wrote:
>>> Hi, all
>>>
>>> I had a fix for bug 119912
>>>
>>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119912 ,
>>> it is about application crash when undo & redo a split pasted table.
>>>
>>> Can anyone help to review the fix?
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>> done
>>
>> reviewed, built and tested -< patch applied on trunk, no crash anymore
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Juergen
>>
> 

Re: [Call-for-Review] Fix for bug 119912 (Crash when redo split the pasted table)

[Peng Chen]

Hi Jurgen,
   You just reviewed 119653 which is not this one, could you please
help to review 119912? Thanks.

2012/6/8 Peng Chen 

> Jurgen, thank you for review and check in.
>
>
> 2012/6/8 Jürgen Schmidt 
>
>> On 6/8/12 10:33 AM, Peng Chen wrote:
>> > Hi, all
>> >
>> > I had a fix for bug 119912
>> >
>> > https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119912 ,
>> > it is about application crash when undo & redo a split pasted table.
>> >
>> > Can anyone help to review the fix?
>> > Thank you!
>> >
>> done
>>
>> reviewed, built and tested -< patch applied on trunk, no crash anymore
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>
>

Re: [UX]A bit of "brainstorming" on the forums

[RGB ES]

2012/6/8 Andre Fischer :
> On 08.06.2012 04:39, Clarence GUO wrote:
>>
>> Hi~
>> What's the language of the forum link "
>> http://user.services.openoffice.org/es/forum/viewforum.php?f=76";? I opened
>> the link and the language looks like Germany.
>
>
> Not german, looks spanish.  That would match the /es/ part in the URL.
>
> -Andre
>
>
>>
>> 2012/6/7 RGB ES 
>>
>>> At the ES forums we started a small experiment: a section(1) to
>>> present and discuss ideas about the program. This experiment can be
>>> viewed as a "first run" were people can share their ideas and interact
>>> with others to see if it is a good idea (or not) and express it the
>>> best possible way. The goal is to arrive to a valid enhancement
>>> request.
>>>
>>> Let's see what happens. If the experiment makes sense, maybe we can
>>> start thinking of a way to extend it.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Ricardo
>>>
>>> (1) http://user.services.openoffice.org/es/forum/viewforum.php?f=76
>>>
>>
>

In the initial mail I wrote "At the ES forums"... :)

Not too much movement for now, but let's see what happens.

Regards
Ricardo

Re: [Call-for-Review] Fix for bug 119912 (Crash when redo split the pasted table)

[Peng Chen]

Jurgen, thank you for review and check in.

2012/6/8 Jürgen Schmidt 

> On 6/8/12 10:33 AM, Peng Chen wrote:
> > Hi, all
> >
> > I had a fix for bug 119912
> >
> > https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119912 ,
> > it is about application crash when undo & redo a split pasted table.
> >
> > Can anyone help to review the fix?
> > Thank you!
> >
> done
>
> reviewed, built and tested -< patch applied on trunk, no crash anymore
>
> Thanks
>
> Juergen
>

Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

On 07.06.2012 17:10, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

On 07.06.2012 15:12, Roberto Galoppini wrote:

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

Hi,

from what we have experienced so far from the "first phase" of the OOo
3.3 update service it makes sense to me to have the full OOo 3.3 update
service working at the end of this week.

As we would like to direct our users to a localized download page, if
possible, I want to put our attention on the "planned" download pages.
Rob already started a similar thread - namely "Audit of NL home pages"
[1], but I am not sure, if the one or the other already took action.

Please provide feedback regarding to which page the OOo 3.3 update
functionality should direct the user for these languages.

Arabic -> ?

Chinese (simplified) -> ?

Chinese (traditional) -> ?

Czech -> ?

Dutch -> http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html

English (US) -> http://www.openoffice.org/download

French -> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/

Galician -> ?

German -> ?



German -> http://www.openoffice.org/download

On the mainpage "http://www.openoffice.org/de/"; there is only one big link
that
points to the central download webpage.

However, there are still some errors, so I'll update the site a bit to
make it
more Apache-like.



Thx for the feedback.

Thus, for German we will direct the user to English (US) download page.

Question for discussion:
Should we use the English (US) download page as a fallback for the languages
for which we have no localized download page?
orw's opinion: I am not in favor of such a fallback, but I currently see no
other solution.



I think we still want to gradually enable the upgrade notifications
over the next week. Maybe we start with those that have good NL
download pages. But at the end, we really need to enable everyone to
upgrade. AOO 3.4 has important security patches. So at the end, if
there is no good NL page we would direct them to the default English
page. And if we get an improved NL page in the future, we can add
support for that,


I just checked the traffic, I think we could add other countries by
now, at least from an infrastructure perspective.

For example we could add US, that is the fourth country by daily visits.



Ok, I will add en-US tomorrow morning 10:00 (GMT+2).



I was a little bit late - I was caught by some hacking to solve issues.

OOo 3.3 Update Service is now active for:
- Italian since Tuesday 10:00 (GMT+2)
- Spanish and Japanese since Thurday 10:00 (GMT+2)
- English (US) since Friday 11:00 (GMT+2)

Best regards, Oliver.

Re: [Call-for-Review] Fix for bug 119912 (Crash when redo split the pasted table)

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 6/8/12 10:33 AM, Peng Chen wrote:
> Hi, all
> 
> I had a fix for bug 119912
> 
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119912 ,
> it is about application crash when undo & redo a split pasted table.
> 
> Can anyone help to review the fix?
> Thank you!
> 
done

reviewed, built and tested -< patch applied on trunk, no crash anymore

Thanks

Juergen

Re: Installation Experience and Feedback

[Roberto Galoppini]

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
 wrote:
> On 6/8/12 4:06 AM, zhangjf wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Jürgen Schmidt
>>  wrote:
>>> On 6/7/12 4:57 AM, Gavin McDonald wrote:
 Hi All,

 Here is my installation experience, it seems to vary somewhat from some
 others experiences.

 Environment: Windows 7 64 Bit, experience was same of both Desktop and
 Laptop.


 1. Download OpenOffice 3.4 from openoffice.org mirror. -- Time: 2 minutes.

 2. Unpack . -- Time: < 1 minute.

 3. Install. -- Time: 2 minutes.

 4. Erm, nothing e4lse, we are done!

 It really was as painless and quick as that. Well Done Guys n Gals!

 I do have a few observations that someone might think Bugzilla worthy (all
 minor):

 a. UAC - Publisher is 'Unknown' . The User Account Control really should
 have 'Apache Software Foundation'
    as the Publisher. (Note that in the Add/Remove programs section shows
 'OpenOffice.org' as  the Publisher.
>>>
>>> agree, it should already fine for the Linux packages. We have to find
>>> the correct place but it shouldn't be a problem when when we know for
>>> what we are looking ;-) Please submit an issue for that
>>>
>>
>> I remember the unknown publisher message is caused by lacking
>> signature in the msi install package, it should get signed with an
>> official certification by the signtool or signcode utility from
>> Windows SDK. If you have the certification, this step can be done
>> after the msi packages are generated separately and if possible, it
>> can be integrated as one step in the build procedure.
>
> good to know that signing solve it. One more reason why we need a
> certificate.

Agree 100%.

Roberto

> Juergen
>
>>

 b. The program 'Unpacks' to a folder on the 'Desktop' - Why? Really we
 should be choosing the 'Downloads' folder.

 c. The final installation folder is 'OpenOffice.org 3' -- I think this
 should change to 'openoffice3'
>>>
>>> at the moment we decided to keep the former name to emphasize that we
>>> are OpenOffice. In the future we can think about "OpenOfifce 4". The
>>> CamelCase with space notation is by design because that is how it is
>>> done on windows.
>>>

 d. During Installation the 'FileType' choices has 'Microsoft Word 
 Documents'
 ticked by default, as per other email
     threads, perhaps this should be un-ticked by default but still show the
 screen during install so it can be ticked easily.
>>>
>>> without deeper analysis of a the appropriate default that satisfies most
>>> of our users I wouldn't change it
>>>

 e. Once installed, clicking 'Start' shows 'OpenOffice.org Base' program on
 the start menu, perhaps we can try for the main
      'OpenOffice.org' jump menu first or 'Writer' ??
>>>
>>> I have no preference here, maybe it's sorted automatically I don't know
>>>
>>> Thanks for your feedback
>>>
>>> Juergen
>>>
>

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Re: .ppt file contain a special shape export crash

[ZuoJun Chen]

Hi, Ying
   From my point of view, draw formula "?f0"  should specify an equation,
and be used to evaluate a value. ODF specification documentation would help
you confirm the problem. Actually I'm just curious how this abnormal shape
can be reproduced :)

2012/6/7 ying sun 

> Hi All,
>
>I'm checking the bug
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119502, and find this
> problem
> is caused by that the shape named *'customshape3'* has the path *"M ?f0 ?f0
> L ?f0 ?f0 ?f0 ?f0 ?f0 ?f0 Z N" *which contain parameter * "?f0", *but
> *"?f0"
> *has not been defined.
>
>Does anybody know that if a path contains parameter*"?f0*", then there
> must be a definition in equation or no need to define it?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ying Sun
>

[Call-for-Review] Fix for bug 119912 (Crash when redo split the pasted table)

[Peng Chen]

Hi, all

I had a fix for bug 119912

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119912 ,
it is about application crash when undo & redo a split pasted table.

Can anyone help to review the fix?
Thank you!

Re: Shape/Form control alt text import and export for Excel 2003

[zhangjf]

I suggest you log this discussion into the bug as comments too.
Although this mail list will be archived too, it is helpful to find
all it's related background and technical info in one single place.

zhangjf

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Jianyuan Li  wrote:
> Thanks for everyone.
> I will use "Description" for Alt text because Alt text allow multiple lines
> which are supported by "Description" other than "Title". I have tried with
> "Title", multiple lines will become as one line with return removed after
> import.
>
> 2012/6/8 Armin Le Grand 
>
>>        Hi Jianyuan Li,
>>
>>
>> On 07.06.2012 10:08, Jianyuan Li wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, All,
>>>
>>> In Excel 2003, for shape and form control, there is an attribute named
>>> "alt
>>> text". But Aoo shape and form control do not have an attribute similar
>>> like
>>> it. So when Aoo import them, this attribute will be omitted. And on
>>> exporting it as an Excel 2003 file, this attribute will not be exported.
>>> So
>>> on opening the export file in Excel 2003, incorrect attribute value will
>>> be
>>> shown. There is a bug related to it:
>>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=119659
>>>
>>> To fix this issue, is there someone having a good solution? How about
>>> import alt text as the title(in shape description dialog) in Aoo? And then
>>> export the Aoo title as Excel 2007 alt text?
>>>
>>>
>> There are 'Title', 'Description' and 'Name' properties for each shape.
>> "alt text" sounds more like many lines, so I would suggest to use
>> 'Description' for it, maybe there is also a good fit for 'Title'. The
>> property 'Name' should be a short string and is shown in the navigator,
>> maybe also a good candidate to add something useful.
>>
>> HTH!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>        Armin
>> --
>> ALG
>>
>>

Re: Question about Layout In Table Cell property in WW8filter

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

On 07.06.2012 15:47, ZuoJun Chen wrote:

2012/6/7 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann


Hi,


On 07.06.2012 13:34, ZuoJun Chen wrote:


Hi, All,

 There is an attribute for anchored objects named "Layout In Table Cell
property"  in MS Word.

WW8 filter will check this attribute when import shape in table. I am
puzzled that there are two hex magic number

0x80008000 and 0x8000 in ww8graf.cxx Line 2483.  From the
discussion in issue
84783

**, I can see that


these

number may associate with MS Word Binary File Format Specification, not
sure
whether both number indicate that

"Layout in table cell" is set. I checked the documentation but didn't
found
more details. So I post this mail

  to see if I could get any sort of advice.



I am the author of the corresponding 
method
containing the above "magic number" interpretation. As far as I remember
the initial implementation was done this issue 84783 and an adoption has
been made with issue 98037.

As far as I remembering it correct the implemented interpretation of this
"magic number" was done by the evaluation of different Microsoft Word
documents created with different Microsoft Office versions.

I am currently looking at issue 119624. The root cause of this issue seems
to be related to my implemetation in method**.
I have to do some further investigations - please stay tuned for the
results.



Hi, Oliver,

Thank you for you reply. I think the number considering a flag to
indicate

whether the "Layout In Table Cell“ property has been checked.

However, when use nLayoutInTableCell&  0x80008000 to determine the

property. Both 0x80008000 or  0x8000 can set the
bIsObjectLayoutInTableCell = true.

Do the two hex number represent same meaning?



No, I do not think so.

My implementation of the conditions in method 
 is wrong I think.

It must must be:
if ( nLayoutInTableCell == 0x || // no explicit attribute value given
 nLayoutInTableCell == 0x80008000 ||
^^
 ( nLayoutInTableCell & 0x0200 &&
   !(nLayoutInTableCell & 0x8000 ) ) )
{
bIsObjectLayoutInTableCell = true;
}
else
{
bIsObjectLayoutInTableCell = false;
}

Testing "nLayoutInTableCell & 0x80008000" in the second condition does not make 
sense regarding the third condition.


The above change in one part of the fix for issue 119624 in order to get the 
horizontal position correctly mapped. Because this a corrected method 
 the following code found in 
method  will apply:

  // --> OD 2005-01-20 #118546# - if the object is anchored inside
  // a table cell, is horizontal aligned at frame|character and
  // has wrap through, but its attribute 'layout in table cell' isn't set,
  // convert its horizontal alignment to page text area.
  // --> OD 2008-04-10 #i84783# - use new method 
  if ( nInTable &&
   ( eHoriRel == text::RelOrientation::FRAME ||
 eHoriRel == text::RelOrientation::CHAR ) &&
   pFSPA->nwr == 3 &&
// pRecord->nLayoutInTableCell == 0x8000 )
   !IsObjectLayoutInTableCell( pRecord->nLayoutInTableCell ) )
  {
  eHoriRel = text::RelOrientation::PAGE_PRINT_AREA;
  }
  // <--

I have attached a corresponding patch for the above code changes to issue 
119624.

But, there are more defects with the import and layout of Microsoft Word 
document given at issue 119624 - please my comments in this issue.


Best regards, Oliver.

Re: [call for review] Issue 111609 ODFF implement missing imaginary functions

[Jürgen Schmidt]

Hi Regina,

I haven't tested the patch but have reviewed it and for me it looks good
and I assume you have already built and tested it completely.

I think you can commit in trunk, nice work by the way

Juergen

On 6/7/12 11:55 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 6/7/12 1:11 AM, Regina Henschel wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> please review the patch attached to
>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=111609
>>
>> Is such a mail as this necessary? Or will a review request already be
>> noticed, when I set the flag in the issue?
> 
> no special sign on the issues mailing list, just that somebody has add
> or changed something. So it's probably a good idea to drop a short email
> like this one here on the list to raise some awareness.
> 
> Juergen

Re: [UX]A bit of "brainstorming" on the forums

[Andre Fischer]

On 08.06.2012 04:39, Clarence GUO wrote:

Hi~
What's the language of the forum link "
http://user.services.openoffice.org/es/forum/viewforum.php?f=76";? I opened
the link and the language looks like Germany.


Not german, looks spanish.  That would match the /es/ part in the URL.

-Andre



2012/6/7 RGB ES 


At the ES forums we started a small experiment: a section(1) to
present and discuss ideas about the program. This experiment can be
viewed as a "first run" were people can share their ideas and interact
with others to see if it is a good idea (or not) and express it the
best possible way. The goal is to arrive to a valid enhancement
request.

Let's see what happens. If the experiment makes sense, maybe we can
start thinking of a way to extend it.

Regards
Ricardo

(1) http://user.services.openoffice.org/es/forum/viewforum.php?f=76

Re: [DISCUSS] Pootle and New Contributor Category

[Juergen Schmidt]

On 6/8/12 9:09 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> My question is "is it necessary". See my overlapping post.
> 
> Essentially, why is it perceived that an iCLA is needed for initial
> contributions via Pootle. Aren't they roughly equivalent to patches via
> bugzilla? Shouldn't we be working on the workflow to ensure contribution is
> as easy as possible?
> 

+1, easy as possible is key here because we want to attract as much as
possible volunteers.

Juergen


> Ross
> 
> Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
> On Jun 8, 2012 12:08 AM, "Dave Fisher"  wrote:
> 
>>
>> On Jun 7, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton >> wrote:
>>>
 +1 on this discussion so far.

 I was skeptical but I favor how this is going.

 Also, the anonymous contribution to pootle is a no-no.

 - Dennis

 PS: Changing to the [DISCUSS] that is called for and to have it be
>> visible.

 -Original Message-
 From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
 Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 09:41
 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
 Subject: Re: *DRAFT FINAL* June board report

 On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
  wrote:
> On 6/7/12 12:10 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>> On 7 June 2012 11:02, Jürgen Schmidt 
 wrote:
>>> On 6/7/12 11:54 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
 On 7 June 2012 10:47, Jürgen Schmidt 
 wrote:
> On 6/7/12 11:28 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>> On 7 June 2012 05:50, Herbert Duerr  wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> I think we maybe should add one more topic here: Working with
 pootle
>>> currently requires committership, which results in translators
 having having
>>> to be fast-tracked when they show up on the mailing list. The
 board needs to
>>> decide if this short-circuiting of the process is desirable or
>> not
 and what
>>> the alternatives are.
>>
>> No, need, that's not a board level issue. It's up to the project
>> to
 define its
>> own expectations of committers.
>
> it's a very bad limitation. I would prefer a user management which
> allows registration (by email verification) of new users and where
 new
> users agree to contribute under the Apache license. Maybe combined
 with
> an iCLA but not necessarily require to be committer.
>
> But I am not sure if something like that would be possible at all.
>
> Otherwise we have to deal with the current approach and hope that
>> we
 can
> reach volunteers to accept this approach and work together with
>> them
 on
> a fast-track.

 I agree that the limitation suboptimal.

 I suggest someone take this up with legal-discuss@ If legal@ feel
 able
 to approve a more relaxed approach to iCLAs for access to Pootle
>> then
 infra@ can be asked to find a technical solution.
>>>
>>> I agree and thanks to remind me that I should take the appropriate
>>> action to address things like that ;-)
>>
>> Careful with the "I" - madness lies that way ;-)
>>
>> This is the perfect opportunity for someone lurking here to make an
>> early and potentially very significant contribution. Shepherding these
>> kinds of actions takes time away from those embedded in the coding.
>> It's a good way to earn merit while you figure out where to contribute
>> to the project. If someone like that is reading but not sure how to
>> proceed I'm sure others will help guide you.
>
> I agree but the idea is not really new and nothing happened so far ;-)
>
> Thinking more about it I would like to discuss a new term "Apache
> contributor" where users can register for an user account by accepting
> that all their contributions are under ALv2. The verification can be by
> email verification and the iCLA can be required as well (details have
>> to
> be defined). With such accounts people would get access to more pubic
> wikis (like our user wiki), tools like Pootle, bugzilla etc.
>

 The "contributor" role at Apache already handles this.  A contributor
 can already register in Bugzilla, post patches, register in the wiki,
 contribute documentation, etc.

 What a contributor cannot do is directly modify the product code in
 SVN.  So they are in RTC mode with respect to product code, including
 translations.

 I think the disconnect here is we only have an anonymous method for
 contributors to add translations to Pootle.  I can see the
 justification for requiring non-committers to submit translations as
 patches in BZ or via suggestions in Pootle.  But the anonymous part of
 this is completely wrong, both from community and from legal
 standpoint.

Re: Shape/Form control alt text import and export for Excel 2003

[Jianyuan Li]

Thanks for everyone.
I will use "Description" for Alt text because Alt text allow multiple lines
which are supported by "Description" other than "Title". I have tried with
"Title", multiple lines will become as one line with return removed after
import.

2012/6/8 Armin Le Grand 

>Hi Jianyuan Li,
>
>
> On 07.06.2012 10:08, Jianyuan Li wrote:
>
>> Hi, All,
>>
>> In Excel 2003, for shape and form control, there is an attribute named
>> "alt
>> text". But Aoo shape and form control do not have an attribute similar
>> like
>> it. So when Aoo import them, this attribute will be omitted. And on
>> exporting it as an Excel 2003 file, this attribute will not be exported.
>> So
>> on opening the export file in Excel 2003, incorrect attribute value will
>> be
>> shown. There is a bug related to it:
>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=119659
>>
>> To fix this issue, is there someone having a good solution? How about
>> import alt text as the title(in shape description dialog) in Aoo? And then
>> export the Aoo title as Excel 2007 alt text?
>>
>>
> There are 'Title', 'Description' and 'Name' properties for each shape.
> "alt text" sounds more like many lines, so I would suggest to use
> 'Description' for it, maybe there is also a good fit for 'Title'. The
> property 'Name' should be a short string and is shown in the navigator,
> maybe also a good candidate to add something useful.
>
> HTH!
>
> Sincerely,
>Armin
> --
> ALG
>
>

Re: *DRAFT FINAL* June board report

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 6/8/12 8:58 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> I'm a little concerned about this idea of AOO being somehow different from
> other Apache projects. Its not, its just software. In Apache projects
> everyone is equal. If someone earns merit they earn merit, it makes no
> difference how that merit is earned.
> 
> The issue here should not be a different class of contributor it should be
> how to facilitate a different type of contribution and thus bootstrap their
> involvement in the project. Please don't create an artificial layer of
> hierarchy in order to do that. Hierarchy in an open development project is
> bad.
> 
> Note we have a VP who has never written a line of code in their life. As
> far as I'm aware they have never written a translation string or any
> documentation. Despite this there was no need to create a new class of
> community member to bring them into the ASF.
> 
> I propose the problem is in the workflow not in the structure of ASF
> projects. If that is the case then we need to examine why non-committer
> translators are unable to contribute efficiently. Find out why our default
> policies say they need to be committees and address that issue.
> 
> For example, are contributions to Pootle any different to patches sent via
> JIR# from an IP point of view? If not then there is no need for an ICLA but
> there is a need for an audit trail.

I agree and Rob pointed already out that we have something like that
(what I have proposed) already.

In case of Pootle contributions we simply need an open user registration
to solve the "unknown" issue i some way. Pootle allow us to define
default rights for users and when we define that translation can be seen
or compared with patches it sounds like a good step forward.

My idea was mainly that we think about some formalization of this
special user registration. Independent of registering for bugzilla, the
wiki or Pootle, the user have to agree to contribute everything under ALv2.

Sorry for the confusion

Juergen


> 
> Ross
> 
> Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
> On Jun 7, 2012 11:30 PM, "Kay Schenk"  wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
>>>  wrote:
 On 6/7/12 12:10 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> On 7 June 2012 11:02, Jürgen Schmidt 
>>> wrote:
>> On 6/7/12 11:54 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>>> On 7 June 2012 10:47, Jürgen Schmidt 
>>> wrote:
 On 6/7/12 11:28 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> On 7 June 2012 05:50, Herbert Duerr  wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> I think we maybe should add one more topic here: Working with
>>> pootle
>> currently requires committership, which results in translators
>>> having having
>> to be fast-tracked when they show up on the mailing list. The
>>> board needs to
>> decide if this short-circuiting of the process is desirable or
>> not
>>> and what
>> the alternatives are.
>
> No, need, that's not a board level issue. It's up to the project
>> to
>>> define its
> own expectations of committers.

 it's a very bad limitation. I would prefer a user management which
 allows registration (by email verification) of new users and where
>>> new
 users agree to contribute under the Apache license. Maybe combined
>>> with
 an iCLA but not necessarily require to be committer.

 But I am not sure if something like that would be possible at all.

 Otherwise we have to deal with the current approach and hope that
>> we
>>> can
 reach volunteers to accept this approach and work together with
>> them
>>> on
 a fast-track.
>>>
>>> I agree that the limitation suboptimal.
>>>
>>> I suggest someone take this up with legal-discuss@ If legal@ feel
>>> able
>>> to approve a more relaxed approach to iCLAs for access to Pootle
>> then
>>> infra@ can be asked to find a technical solution.
>>
>> I agree and thanks to remind me that I should take the appropriate
>> action to address things like that ;-)
>
> Careful with the "I" - madness lies that way ;-)
>
> This is the perfect opportunity for someone lurking here to make an
> early and potentially very significant contribution. Shepherding these
> kinds of actions takes time away from those embedded in the coding.
> It's a good way to earn merit while you figure out where to contribute
> to the project. If someone like that is reading but not sure how to
> proceed I'm sure others will help guide you.

 I agree but the idea is not really new and nothing happened so far ;-)

 Thinking more about it I would like to discuss a new term "Apache
 contributor" where users can register for an user account by accepting
 that all their contributions are under ALv2. The verification can be by
 email verification and the iCLA can b

Re: After long-running GUI testing, AOO3.4 becomes slower and slower, and occupies more and more memory

[Herbert Duerr]

On 08.06.2012 09:36, Zhe Liu wrote:

Is there some tools to track memory allocation? I can combine it with
GUI testing. So we can gather the detail clue.


For your case maybe using Rational Purify could be an interesting 
option. I personally love valgrind+memcheck too.


Herbert

Re: *DRAFT FINAL* June board report

[Herbert Duerr]

On 08.06.2012 08:58, Ross Gardler wrote:

[...] If someone earns merit they earn merit, it makes no
difference how that merit is earned.


I totally agree and that is exactly why I am concerned about the 
fast-tracking of committership for procedural reasons and not for merit.



I propose the problem is in the workflow not in the structure of ASF
projects. If that is the case then we need to examine why non-committer
translators are unable to contribute efficiently. Find out why our default
policies say they need to be committees and address that issue.

For example, are contributions to Pootle any different to patches sent via
JIR# from an IP point of view? If not then there is no need for an ICLA but
there is a need for an audit trail.


In JIRA or Bugzilla one doesn't have to be a committer to attach a patch 
but one has to be logged in. If there were a similar role in 
https://cwiki.apache.org/INFRA/translate-pootle-service-auth-levels.html

there would be no problem.

Herbert

Re: After long-running GUI testing, AOO3.4 becomes slower and slower, and occupies more and more memory

[Xia Zhao]

Agree, maybe we can create memory leak improvement related features in next
major release.



2012/6/8 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 

> Hi,
>
>
> On 08.06.2012 03:43, Zhe Liu wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> This week I did some long-running GUI testing on AOO 3.4 using Java on
>> my iMac. After about 23 hours, the memory occupied by soffice changed
>> from 90MB to 600MB. And soffice became very slow.
>> My scenario is
>> 1. Create new Text Document/Spreadsheet/**Presentation/Drawing.
>> 2. Input some simple text in it.
>> 3. Save and then reopen it.
>> 4. Repeat the above steps.
>> I think AOO has memory leak issue. Did we perform this kind of testing
>> before?
>>
>
> As far as I know we did not had such kind of tests for AOO 3.4.
> When I am remembering it correct there are certain efforts regarding
> memory leaks in the past for former versions - may be some documentation on
> it will be found in the wiki (the MediaWiki one).
>
> In order to solve this area I see it more sa little project than just a
> fix for a single issue. As you can see from the issue query, posted by Zhe
> Liu, there seems to be problems in different areas of our project.
>
> just my 2 cents,
> Oliver.
>



-- 
Best Regards,

Lily

"If you are not part of solution,you are part of problem"

Re: Query of "DefectNeedReview" - Re: [call for review] Issue 111609 ODFF implement missing imaginary functions

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 6/8/12 8:08 AM, Shenfeng Liu wrote:
> I created a query called DefectNeedReview . If people can upload the patch
> attachment with (1) the type to be set to "Patch", and (2) Flag of Review
> to "?", then my query can list the defect out.
> Try it! :)
> 

Thanks Simon, it lists currently 9 issues to me.

I will take care of some of them (119653, 119912, 119629, 119662,
119889) today in parallel to prepare a Windows 8 VM for future work and
testing.

Juergen


> - Simon
> 
> 
> 2012/6/7 Jürgen Schmidt 
> 
>> On 6/7/12 1:11 AM, Regina Henschel wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> please review the patch attached to
>>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=111609
>>>
>>> Is such a mail as this necessary? Or will a review request already be
>>> noticed, when I set the flag in the issue?
>>
>> no special sign on the issues mailing list, just that somebody has add
>> or changed something. So it's probably a good idea to drop a short email
>> like this one here on the list to raise some awareness.
>>
>> Juergen
>>
> 

Re: After long-running GUI testing, AOO3.4 becomes slower and slower, and occupies more and more memory

[Zhe Liu]

Is there some tools to track memory allocation? I can combine it with
GUI testing. So we can gather the detail clue.

2012/6/8 zhangjf :
> If you search the closed bug list, you may also find many fixed memory
> leak bugs.
>
> Memory leak is a kind of bugs but not a single straightforward
> problem. The used memory size increase usually is a combined result of
> many leaks for AOO. It needs many effort to identify the conditions to
> show different leaks, find their root cause and fix solution. I think
> it is a long term task along with the code base changes.
>
> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Zhe Liu  wrote:
>> I did a search in Bugzilla. This kind of  memory leak has been
>> reported many times. It seems this issue has long history and nobody
>> resolves it.
>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=memory%20leak&list_id=13129
>>
>>
>> 2012/6/8 Xia Zhao :
>>> Zhe,
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot for long run testing, no matter AOO/OOo did this kind of
>>> testing before(for AOO3.4, the answer is No), would you please raise defect
>>> in BugZilla to track this memory leak issue? Thanks a lot.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Lily
>>>
>>> 2012/6/8 Zhe Liu 
>>>
 Hi all,
 This week I did some long-running GUI testing on AOO 3.4 using Java on
 my iMac. After about 23 hours, the memory occupied by soffice changed
 from 90MB to 600MB. And soffice became very slow.
 My scenario is
 1. Create new Text Document/Spreadsheet/Presentation/Drawing.
 2. Input some simple text in it.
 3. Save and then reopen it.
 4. Repeat the above steps.
 I think AOO has memory leak issue. Did we perform this kind of testing
 before?
 --
 Best Regards
 From aliu...@gmail.com

>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards
>> From aliu...@gmail.com



-- 
Best Regards
>From aliu...@gmail.com

Re: After long-running GUI testing, AOO3.4 becomes slower and slower, and occupies more and more memory

[zhangjf]

If you search the closed bug list, you may also find many fixed memory
leak bugs.

Memory leak is a kind of bugs but not a single straightforward
problem. The used memory size increase usually is a combined result of
many leaks for AOO. It needs many effort to identify the conditions to
show different leaks, find their root cause and fix solution. I think
it is a long term task along with the code base changes.

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Zhe Liu  wrote:
> I did a search in Bugzilla. This kind of  memory leak has been
> reported many times. It seems this issue has long history and nobody
> resolves it.
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=memory%20leak&list_id=13129
>
>
> 2012/6/8 Xia Zhao :
>> Zhe,
>>
>> Thanks a lot for long run testing, no matter AOO/OOo did this kind of
>> testing before(for AOO3.4, the answer is No), would you please raise defect
>> in BugZilla to track this memory leak issue? Thanks a lot.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Lily
>>
>> 2012/6/8 Zhe Liu 
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> This week I did some long-running GUI testing on AOO 3.4 using Java on
>>> my iMac. After about 23 hours, the memory occupied by soffice changed
>>> from 90MB to 600MB. And soffice became very slow.
>>> My scenario is
>>> 1. Create new Text Document/Spreadsheet/Presentation/Drawing.
>>> 2. Input some simple text in it.
>>> 3. Save and then reopen it.
>>> 4. Repeat the above steps.
>>> I think AOO has memory leak issue. Did we perform this kind of testing
>>> before?
>>> --
>>> Best Regards
>>> From aliu...@gmail.com
>>>
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards
> From aliu...@gmail.com

Re: Installation Experience and Feedback

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 6/8/12 4:06 AM, zhangjf wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Jürgen Schmidt
>  wrote:
>> On 6/7/12 4:57 AM, Gavin McDonald wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Here is my installation experience, it seems to vary somewhat from some
>>> others experiences.
>>>
>>> Environment: Windows 7 64 Bit, experience was same of both Desktop and
>>> Laptop.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. Download OpenOffice 3.4 from openoffice.org mirror. -- Time: 2 minutes.
>>>
>>> 2. Unpack . -- Time: < 1 minute.
>>>
>>> 3. Install. -- Time: 2 minutes.
>>>
>>> 4. Erm, nothing e4lse, we are done!
>>>
>>> It really was as painless and quick as that. Well Done Guys n Gals!
>>>
>>> I do have a few observations that someone might think Bugzilla worthy (all
>>> minor):
>>>
>>> a. UAC - Publisher is 'Unknown' . The User Account Control really should
>>> have 'Apache Software Foundation'
>>>as the Publisher. (Note that in the Add/Remove programs section shows
>>> 'OpenOffice.org' as  the Publisher.
>>
>> agree, it should already fine for the Linux packages. We have to find
>> the correct place but it shouldn't be a problem when when we know for
>> what we are looking ;-) Please submit an issue for that
>>
> 
> I remember the unknown publisher message is caused by lacking
> signature in the msi install package, it should get signed with an
> official certification by the signtool or signcode utility from
> Windows SDK. If you have the certification, this step can be done
> after the msi packages are generated separately and if possible, it
> can be integrated as one step in the build procedure.

good to know that signing solve it. One more reason why we need a
certificate.

Juergen

> 
>>>
>>> b. The program 'Unpacks' to a folder on the 'Desktop' - Why? Really we
>>> should be choosing the 'Downloads' folder.
>>>
>>> c. The final installation folder is 'OpenOffice.org 3' -- I think this
>>> should change to 'openoffice3'
>>
>> at the moment we decided to keep the former name to emphasize that we
>> are OpenOffice. In the future we can think about "OpenOfifce 4". The
>> CamelCase with space notation is by design because that is how it is
>> done on windows.
>>
>>>
>>> d. During Installation the 'FileType' choices has 'Microsoft Word Documents'
>>> ticked by default, as per other email
>>> threads, perhaps this should be un-ticked by default but still show the
>>> screen during install so it can be ticked easily.
>>
>> without deeper analysis of a the appropriate default that satisfies most
>> of our users I wouldn't change it
>>
>>>
>>> e. Once installed, clicking 'Start' shows 'OpenOffice.org Base' program on
>>> the start menu, perhaps we can try for the main
>>>  'OpenOffice.org' jump menu first or 'Writer' ??
>>
>> I have no preference here, maybe it's sorted automatically I don't know
>>
>> Thanks for your feedback
>>
>> Juergen
>>

Re: Installation Experience and Feedback

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 6/8/12 5:07 AM, Zhe Liu wrote:
> I add one:
> "Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Maintenance" page always
> pops up and ask me to repair or remove it， even though vc++ 2010
> redistributable pack has been installed.
> I prefer directly skipping the page when it's installed.

I noticed this as well, you get asked every time when you you install
under Windows. Very annoying

Juergen


> 
> 2012/6/7 Gavin McDonald :
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Here is my installation experience, it seems to vary somewhat from some
>> others experiences.
>>
>> Environment: Windows 7 64 Bit, experience was same of both Desktop and
>> Laptop.
>>
>>
>> 1. Download OpenOffice 3.4 from openoffice.org mirror. -- Time: 2 minutes.
>>
>> 2. Unpack . -- Time: < 1 minute.
>>
>> 3. Install. -- Time: 2 minutes.
>>
>> 4. Erm, nothing e4lse, we are done!
>>
>> It really was as painless and quick as that. Well Done Guys n Gals!
>>
>> I do have a few observations that someone might think Bugzilla worthy (all
>> minor):
>>
>> a. UAC - Publisher is 'Unknown' . The User Account Control really should
>> have 'Apache Software Foundation'
>>   as the Publisher. (Note that in the Add/Remove programs section shows
>> 'OpenOffice.org' as  the Publisher.
>>
>> b. The program 'Unpacks' to a folder on the 'Desktop' - Why? Really we
>> should be choosing the 'Downloads' folder.
>>
>> c. The final installation folder is 'OpenOffice.org 3' -- I think this
>> should change to 'openoffice3'
>>
>> d. During Installation the 'FileType' choices has 'Microsoft Word Documents'
>> ticked by default, as per other email
>>threads, perhaps this should be un-ticked by default but still show the
>> screen during install so it can be ticked easily.
>>
>> e. Once installed, clicking 'Start' shows 'OpenOffice.org Base' program on
>> the start menu, perhaps we can try for the main
>> 'OpenOffice.org' jump menu first or 'Writer' ??
>>
>> That's it.
>>
>> Gav...
>>
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Call-for-Review] Bug 119478 (Number formating are changed after save and reopen it again)

[Andre Fischer]

On 08.06.2012 06:40, Steve Yin wrote:

Hi all,

The fix for bug 119907 is ready.

Here is the link: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119907

Could you please to review it?


I will do that, but I need some more information.  Please see comment in 
issue.


-Andre



Thanks.

Re: [DISCUSS] Pootle and New Contributor Category

[Ross Gardler]

My question is "is it necessary". See my overlapping post.

Essentially, why is it perceived that an iCLA is needed for initial
contributions via Pootle. Aren't they roughly equivalent to patches via
bugzilla? Shouldn't we be working on the workflow to ensure contribution is
as easy as possible?

Ross

Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Jun 8, 2012 12:08 AM, "Dave Fisher"  wrote:

>
> On Jun 7, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton  >wrote:
> >
> >> +1 on this discussion so far.
> >>
> >> I was skeptical but I favor how this is going.
> >>
> >> Also, the anonymous contribution to pootle is a no-no.
> >>
> >> - Dennis
> >>
> >> PS: Changing to the [DISCUSS] that is called for and to have it be
> visible.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 09:41
> >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: *DRAFT FINAL* June board report
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
> >>  wrote:
> >>> On 6/7/12 12:10 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>  On 7 June 2012 11:02, Jürgen Schmidt 
> >> wrote:
> > On 6/7/12 11:54 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> >> On 7 June 2012 10:47, Jürgen Schmidt 
> >> wrote:
> >>> On 6/7/12 11:28 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>  On 7 June 2012 05:50, Herbert Duerr  wrote:
> 
>  ...
> 
> > I think we maybe should add one more topic here: Working with
> >> pootle
> > currently requires committership, which results in translators
> >> having having
> > to be fast-tracked when they show up on the mailing list. The
> >> board needs to
> > decide if this short-circuiting of the process is desirable or
> not
> >> and what
> > the alternatives are.
> 
>  No, need, that's not a board level issue. It's up to the project
> to
> >> define its
>  own expectations of committers.
> >>>
> >>> it's a very bad limitation. I would prefer a user management which
> >>> allows registration (by email verification) of new users and where
> >> new
> >>> users agree to contribute under the Apache license. Maybe combined
> >> with
> >>> an iCLA but not necessarily require to be committer.
> >>>
> >>> But I am not sure if something like that would be possible at all.
> >>>
> >>> Otherwise we have to deal with the current approach and hope that
> we
> >> can
> >>> reach volunteers to accept this approach and work together with
> them
> >> on
> >>> a fast-track.
> >>
> >> I agree that the limitation suboptimal.
> >>
> >> I suggest someone take this up with legal-discuss@ If legal@ feel
> >> able
> >> to approve a more relaxed approach to iCLAs for access to Pootle
> then
> >> infra@ can be asked to find a technical solution.
> >
> > I agree and thanks to remind me that I should take the appropriate
> > action to address things like that ;-)
> 
>  Careful with the "I" - madness lies that way ;-)
> 
>  This is the perfect opportunity for someone lurking here to make an
>  early and potentially very significant contribution. Shepherding these
>  kinds of actions takes time away from those embedded in the coding.
>  It's a good way to earn merit while you figure out where to contribute
>  to the project. If someone like that is reading but not sure how to
>  proceed I'm sure others will help guide you.
> >>>
> >>> I agree but the idea is not really new and nothing happened so far ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Thinking more about it I would like to discuss a new term "Apache
> >>> contributor" where users can register for an user account by accepting
> >>> that all their contributions are under ALv2. The verification can be by
> >>> email verification and the iCLA can be required as well (details have
> to
> >>> be defined). With such accounts people would get access to more pubic
> >>> wikis (like our user wiki), tools like Pootle, bugzilla etc.
> >>>
> >>
> >> The "contributor" role at Apache already handles this.  A contributor
> >> can already register in Bugzilla, post patches, register in the wiki,
> >> contribute documentation, etc.
> >>
> >> What a contributor cannot do is directly modify the product code in
> >> SVN.  So they are in RTC mode with respect to product code, including
> >> translations.
> >>
> >> I think the disconnect here is we only have an anonymous method for
> >> contributors to add translations to Pootle.  I can see the
> >> justification for requiring non-committers to submit translations as
> >> patches in BZ or via suggestions in Pootle.  But the anonymous part of
> >> this is completely wrong, both from community and from legal
> >> standpoint.
> >>
> >> For example, those who contribute to Pootle, anonymously, see their
> >> contributions marked as being from "nobody" in the UI:
> >> https://translate.apache.org/proje

Re: After long-running GUI testing, AOO3.4 becomes slower and slower, and occupies more and more memory

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

On 08.06.2012 03:43, Zhe Liu wrote:

Hi all,
This week I did some long-running GUI testing on AOO 3.4 using Java on
my iMac. After about 23 hours, the memory occupied by soffice changed
from 90MB to 600MB. And soffice became very slow.
My scenario is
1. Create new Text Document/Spreadsheet/Presentation/Drawing.
2. Input some simple text in it.
3. Save and then reopen it.
4. Repeat the above steps.
I think AOO has memory leak issue. Did we perform this kind of testing before?


As far as I know we did not had such kind of tests for AOO 3.4.
When I am remembering it correct there are certain efforts regarding memory 
leaks in the past for former versions - may be some documentation on it will be 
found in the wiki (the MediaWiki one).


In order to solve this area I see it more sa little project than just a fix for 
a single issue. As you can see from the issue query, posted by Zhe Liu, there 
seems to be problems in different areas of our project.


just my 2 cents,
Oliver.