Re: Cwiki problems ?

[Risto Jääskeläinen]

Albino B Neto [bino...@gmail.com] kirjoitti: 

Hi

The Cwiki is with problems ?

I haven't access in page.

Albino


Hello!
Still problems?  I have normall access now but there was at first time today 
some strange sessionID part on address.
Risto

Re: Terms of Service on Forums

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:28 PM, drew  wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> Clean slate - alright!
>
> How about we just start with something everyone agrees on.
>

Point of order.  I've made a proposal, in this thread, just two days
ago.  it is a "clean slate", based on nothing before it.  I've
received only two substantive comments, from Wolf and Dennis.
Everyone else seems to be running around, trying to understand why the
ToU have not been updated yet.

If you have some comments on my proposal I'd love to hear them.
Ditto, if Dave or anyone else does.

> The page at http://www.openoffice.org/terms_of_use is wrong.
>
> We either fix it or stop using it and remove it.
>
> But for today...
>
> If you look at this page
> http://user.services.openoffice.org/
> it uses a footer matching the main site
> http://www.openoffice.org/license.html
> that is almost the same as the main site.
>
> So, could merge the current footer used at the individual forums and the
> footer at the landing page,  dropping the link to the .../terms_of_use
> page on the main site.
>
> The copyright page link is good for the non-subscribed browser. Will add
> the privacy page link, and leav the current forum TOU used when
> subscribe in place, already translated to all languages.
>
> If that doesn't look like a waste of time to folks will put that
> together on an example page in the morning and post a link for review.
>


If we're now going to have several competing proposals rather than
iterating on a single one, then that's fine as well.  But maybe it
would make sense to put these on the wiki so we can look at them side
by side?

-Rob

> //drew
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Labels

[Andrew Douglas Pitonyak]

On 07/06/2012 05:49 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:

On 07/06/2012 03:38 AM, Sybil Snyders wrote:

We would like to get in contact with you to see how we can work
together on the label printing functionality of your software. We have
our own templates, which we like to be loaded

I believe that your templates can be bundled into an extension (or
similar) and distributed from an extension web site.
http://extensions.openoffice.org/


Or, even better, they can be freely uploaded to
http://templates.openoffice.org/
where they will get proper categorization and attribution.

Regards,
  Andrea.


Excellent :-)

--
Andrew Pitonyak
My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt
Info:  http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php

Re: [QA] AOO 3.4.1 Performance Verification Test (PVT) Introduction

[Yi Xuan Liu]

"Standard deviation" shows the how much variation exists from the average.
The smaller the "standard deviation" is, the more stable the test is.
In the PVT, we want to use the "standard deviation" to exclude the case
that one extreme value changing the average when doing a build-to-build
comparison.


On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Andre Fischer  wrote:

> On 06.07.2012 05:11, zhangjf wrote:
>
>> The right url is
>> http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/**Performance/AOO3.4.1_PVT_**
>> Introduction
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Yi Xuan Liu 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, all:
>>>
>>> I wrote a wiki
>>> http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/**Performance/AOO3.4.1_PVT_**
>>> Introductionabout
>>> PVT project in AOO 3.4.1.
>>> Any comment is welcomed!
>>>
>>
> In section "Result computation Method" it says
>
> Note:the standard deviation is to reflect whether the 8 round
> results are stable.
>
> How exactly do you determine whether a result is stable?
>
> -Andre
>
>

Re: Cwiki problems ?

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Albino B Neto  wrote:
> Hi
>
> The Cwiki is with problems ?
>
> I haven't access in page.
>

It is not loading for me either.   For example:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/

Error 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable

-Rob

> Albino

Re: [QA] AOO 3.4.1 Performance Verification Test (PVT) Introduction

[Yi Xuan Liu]

Rob, thanks for your reply. My answer to your question is in below.

1) Not yet. I'll check in code in next week ASAP.
2) It takes about 2 hours to complete the whole text on my W500 laptop. (
CPU:2.53 GHz; Mem: 3GB; OS: XP SP3).
So, if running 100 times, it would cost about 1 day. Yes, it is also a
good method to check Memory leak :)
3) The order *b *is
4) No, don't restart OpenOffice during the whole PVT.

Also thanks for your advice about the trick mentioned. I'll try it.



On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 1:28 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:11 PM, zhangjf  wrote:
> > The right url is
> >
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Performance/AOO3.4.1_PVT_Introduction
> >
>
> Great.  Thanks!
>
> A few questions:
>
> 1) Are the scripts and test documents checked into SVN?
>
> 2) How long does it take for a complete run of the tests?
>
> 3) What is the order of the tests?  For example, are you doing:
>
> a) document 1 run 1, document 1 run 2, document 1 run 3...document 1
> run 8, document 2 run 1...document 2 run 8, etc.
>
> or
>
> b) document 1 run 1, document 2 run 1, document 3 run 1...document N
> run 1, then document 1 run 2, document 2 run 2, etc.
>
>
> 4) Within the test do you restart OpenOffice?  If so, do you restart
> after every document?  Or every measurement?
>
>
> If it is at all possible to take more measurements, I think we would
> get more high quality results.  Right now, you take 8 measurements and
> throw away 3 of them (first run, highest time and lowest time).  That
> throws away information and biases the results because the first run
> is probably also slower, so you toss out the two slowest runs but only
> toss out the single fastest run.  But the fastest run is probably also
> the most accurate one, since there are many things in a test that can
> accidentally slow things down, but almost nothing can happen to make a
> test run faster. (assuming the test logic is accurate).
>
> In general, in an experiment, keep all the data you have, and get more
> accurate results by doing more repetitions.
>
> For example, what if we did 100 iterations of each test?  How long
> would that take?
>
> If we did that, it would have some benefits:
>
> 1) We wouldn't need to worry about tossing out high and low values.
> Our error bounds would be good because of the number of runs we have.
>  The impact of any one anomalous measurement will be much smaller.
>
> 2) We could at the same time look at the trend of the measurement over
> the test run.  For example, compare the average of the first 10% of
> the runs with the average of the last 10%.  Is there a difference?  If
> a test slows down over time  that might indicate a memory leak or
> other problem.  You will never find this with only 8 measurements.
>
> 3) It would tell us the distribution of timings, as well as the average.
>
> (Another trick.  If you are going to do N load measurements of the
> same document, maybe start the test run by creating N identical copies
> of the same document on disk.  Then load each copy only once.  That
> helps even out the disk cache and I/O environment compared to loading
> the exact same file N times)
>
> -Rob
>
>
> > On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Yi Xuan Liu 
> wrote:
> >> Hi, all:
> >>
> >> I wrote a wiki
> >>
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Performance/AOO3.4.1_PVT_Introductionabout
> >> PVT project in AOO 3.4.1.
> >> Any comment is welcomed!
>

Re: OpenOffice in Java

[Fernando Cassia]

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>
> No longer providing a JRE is more about the maturity and ubiquity of JVMs on 
> consumer OSs.

Yes, packaging JREs along with apps is a capital sin in Java
development. It goes back to the days of the slightly incompatible
Java 1.1 and MSFT Java, where vendors choose to package JVMs along
with apps to save them from the grief of "it doesn' t run on my JVM"
hassles.

It should be avoided at all costs.
FC

Re: OpenOffice in Java

[Fernando Cassia]

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> IMHO, the more interesting thing would be lighter-weight component,
> maybe HTML5 based.   Data-aware, both common web formats like JSON and
> OData, but also ODF-aware.   A spreadsheet component that you can
> easily embed into a website.  Not only for ad-hoc use, but as part of
> an overall application.
>
> That is one of the top requests I hear for the ODF Toolkit -- a
> reusable editor widget.

Yes, that' s doable as well, and would fill a need.

I just question the popular wisdom of HTML5 and cloud computing as the
next holy grail. IMHO It isn' t.

I' ve just typed "about:memory" on my Firefox browser and it turns out
the browser is allocating 450 megabytes of RAM for running JS code,
and I just have a dozen tabs open, including two cloud 'apps' : GMail
and Twitter.

Are these the "lean apps" of the future? Give me a break... ;)
:)

FC
PS: I do remember Lotus eSuite. I belive IBM cancelled the effort
shortly after v1.1 (or was it 1.2?) shipped (which, following IBM' s
tradition 1.1 was more "what 1.0 should have been").

Also, it was applets-based. Applets are heavily restricted and bear no
resemblance of what you can do today with Java6+ APIs and Java
WebStart. I often point out at http://ho.io/muCommander as an example
of how a properly done Java-based app can be, that can be launched via
JWS (try loading http://tinyurl.com/launchMUC from any system with
Java enabled and JWS properly configured and see what I mean).

Re: Terms of Service on Forums

[drew]

Hello everyone,

Clean slate - alright!

How about we just start with something everyone agrees on.

The page at http://www.openoffice.org/terms_of_use is wrong.

We either fix it or stop using it and remove it.

But for today...

If you look at this page
http://user.services.openoffice.org/
it uses a footer matching the main site
http://www.openoffice.org/license.html
that is almost the same as the main site.

So, could merge the current footer used at the individual forums and the
footer at the landing page,  dropping the link to the .../terms_of_use
page on the main site. 

The copyright page link is good for the non-subscribed browser. Will add
the privacy page link, and leav the current forum TOU used when
subscribe in place, already translated to all languages.

If that doesn't look like a waste of time to folks will put that
together on an example page in the morning and post a link for review.

//drew

Re: Terms of Service on Forums

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>
> On Jul 6, 2012, at 1:57 PM, drew wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2012-07-06 at 22:22 +0200, hagar.delest wrote:
 Message du 06/07/12 14:21
 De : "drew"
 *chuckling*...what you think my memory could be faulty - never.. well,
 once or twice, maybe. Now what was the question?
>>>
>>> I think that the question can be closed since the link is now pointing to 
>>> thte correct page.
>>>
>>> Perhaps during an operation on the forum recently that link had been 
>>> reverted to the old Oracle page.
>>>
>>> Hagar
>>
>> Hi Hagar,
>>
>> You mean, I suppose, that the bottom link in the footer of each forum
>> (just double checked each) links to:
>> http://www.openoffice.org/terms_of_use
>>
>> I think that is where it should point, and that is the page in need of
>> update.
>
> Would someone please JFDI? There have been 100 emails on this topic on 
> ooo-dev and ooo-private.
>

I think that is an argument against JFDI, not for it.

> If you are afraid it will be rejected then do a terms_of_use2 and then get 
> feedback.
>

If you think something will be rejected then you should make a lazy
consensus proposal first.  JFDI is for non-controversial changes.

> Between Dennis and Rob there is certainly some middle ground.
>

Not really relevant.  Other views have been raised that agree with
neither Dennis nor me.  So portraying our views as being the extremes
within which we should seek middle ground is inaccurate and divisive.
If you have a proposal to make, then make it, but without the
editorial commentary, please.

-Rob

> THANKS!
> Dave
>
>
>>
>> Another option would be, perhaps, to point to this page
>> http://www.openoffice.org/license.html instead - doesn't seem quite
>> right though.
>>
>> //drew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Labels

[Andrea Pescetti]

Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:

On 07/06/2012 03:38 AM, Sybil Snyders wrote:

We would like to get in contact with you to see how we can work
together on the label printing functionality of your software. We have
our own templates, which we like to be loaded

I believe that your templates can be bundled into an extension (or
similar) and distributed from an extension web site.
http://extensions.openoffice.org/


Or, even better, they can be freely uploaded to
http://templates.openoffice.org/
where they will get proper categorization and attribution.

Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: OpenOffice in Java

[Dave Fisher]

Hi Dennis,

On Jul 6, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> @Rony,
> 
> I have no intention to bash Java.  
> 
> However, the ability to support extensions and scripting including optional 
> reliance on a JVM hosting is not the same as reworking AOOi as Java-hosted 
> software.  In fact, it is no longer to have a JVM to install AOOi (or 
> LibreOffice) and JREs are no longer distributed as part of the installs.

No longer providing a JRE is more about the maturity and ubiquity of JVMs on 
consumer OSs. It is now a mistake and a security issue to try to install a 
particular version of the JVM. The recent JVM exploits on MacOSX should have 
motivated all OS providers to make available the latest secure version of the 
JDK.

A decade or longer ago with the spotty and divergent Java support from major OS 
providers like Microsoft and Apple it was a different world. Wonder why Java is 
more of a Server success? Apache Hadoop, a Java based clustering system 
replaced faster, proprietary C++ clustered servers at Yahoo. There are 20,000 
servers in their cluster. Why? In aggregate the Hadoop cluster is faster 
because it is more reliable.

> I am not a party to any of that.  I am simply observing it.  

Keep on observing. But join the party someday.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> - Dennis
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rony G. Flatscher (Apache) [mailto:r...@apache.org] 
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 07:26
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: OpenOffice in Java
> 
> 
> On 05.07.2012 22:04, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>> Am Donnerstag, 5. Juli 2012 um 19:57 schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:
> ... cut ...
>>> 3. Are you aware that the tendency is to remove Java dependencies from 
>>> OpenOffice? I don't know the reasoning, but it is happening.
> AFAICT there was quite an anti-Java stance before the OpenJDK came along by 
> different groups.
> 
> Therefore, I was surprised to read this statement, because for quite some 
> time there has been no
> "Java-bashing", which IMHO would just simply be stupid, unfprofessional and 
> actually harm AOO in
> todays world.
> 
>> really, I don't see it at AOO at the moment. I still recommend Java for 
>> extensions because it's
>> much easier to develop and to maintain on all platforms.
> +1
> 
> In addtion, the very important AOO scripting framework is totally Java based.
> (BTW, this does not mean that one is only able to deploy Java-implemented 
> script languages, but it
> means that it is very easy to add any Java-based scripting language in 
> addition to AOO. As another
> example there is an oxt-package that adds the C++ implemented ooRexx 
> scripting language to AOO/LO
> exploiting/using the Java based scripting framework, and it works well and 
> fast.)
> 
> ---rony
> 

Re: Terms of Service on Forums

[Dave Fisher]

On Jul 6, 2012, at 1:57 PM, drew wrote:

> On Fri, 2012-07-06 at 22:22 +0200, hagar.delest wrote:
>>> Message du 06/07/12 14:21
>>> De : "drew"
>>> *chuckling*...what you think my memory could be faulty - never.. well,
>>> once or twice, maybe. Now what was the question?
>> 
>> I think that the question can be closed since the link is now pointing to 
>> thte correct page.
>> 
>> Perhaps during an operation on the forum recently that link had been 
>> reverted to the old Oracle page.
>> 
>> Hagar
> 
> Hi Hagar,
> 
> You mean, I suppose, that the bottom link in the footer of each forum
> (just double checked each) links to:
> http://www.openoffice.org/terms_of_use 
> 
> I think that is where it should point, and that is the page in need of
> update.

Would someone please JFDI? There have been 100 emails on this topic on ooo-dev 
and ooo-private.

If you are afraid it will be rejected then do a terms_of_use2 and then get 
feedback.

Between Dennis and Rob there is certainly some middle ground.

THANKS!
Dave


> 
> Another option would be, perhaps, to point to this page 
> http://www.openoffice.org/license.html instead - doesn't seem quite
> right though.
> 
> //drew
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Terms of Service on Forums

[drew]

On Fri, 2012-07-06 at 22:22 +0200, hagar.delest wrote:
> > Message du 06/07/12 14:21
> > De : "drew"
> > *chuckling*...what you think my memory could be faulty - never.. well,
> > once or twice, maybe. Now what was the question?
> 
> I think that the question can be closed since the link is now pointing to 
> thte correct page.
> 
> Perhaps during an operation on the forum recently that link had been reverted 
> to the old Oracle page.
> 
> Hagar

Hi Hagar,

You mean, I suppose, that the bottom link in the footer of each forum
(just double checked each) links to:
http://www.openoffice.org/terms_of_use 

I think that is where it should point, and that is the page in need of
update.

Another option would be, perhaps, to point to this page 
http://www.openoffice.org/license.html instead - doesn't seem quite
right though.

//drew

Re: Terms of Service on Forums

[hagar.delest]

> Message du 06/07/12 14:21
> De : "drew"
> *chuckling*...what you think my memory could be faulty - never.. well,
> once or twice, maybe. Now what was the question?

I think that the question can be closed since the link is now pointing to thte 
correct page.

Perhaps during an operation on the forum recently that link had been reverted 
to the old Oracle page.

Hagar

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Re: Apache Openoffice logo linking always same?

[Dave Fisher]

On Jul 6, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Risto Jääskeläinen wrote:

> I feel that link from web-page logo should always be to main www-page ie. to 
> www.openoffice.org. By this we create some more unity in www jungle and 
> temporary visitors of which ever page can quickly move to downloading the 
> suite.
> 
> Situation now:
> 
> a) Main WWW-pages (also native language): No link  - that mean 
> http://www.openoffice.org/ and sub sites.
> 
> b) http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ -site: link to this same home 
> page.
> 
> c...d) cwiki and wiki pages are similar to case b.
> 
> As a small work around solution I add download link on cwikis home page:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home
> But I feel that link via logo to main page would be much better solution.
> 
> I am ready my self use some hours for this  case if there is no denial for 
> idea.  There is also possible do this in case a and not in other sites. For 
> example on wiki pages
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page
> there are link to downloading in menu panel. So it is not priority # 1.
> 
> Opionions?

It is very easy to do.

ooo-site/trunk/templates/brand.html

Index: brand.html
===
--- brand.html  (revision 1358001)
+++ brand.html  (working copy)
@@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
   
-
+
 
   http://incubator.apache.org";>
   

But with a little more work change the href="/" to href="{{ headers.topref }}"

ooo-site/trunk/content/brand.mdtext

topref:   / 
home:   home
search: search
name:   Apache OpenOffice (incubating)
tagline:(incubating) | The Free and Open Productivity Suite
logo:   AOO_logos/OOo_Website_v2_copy.png
domain: www.openoffice.org
divid:  bannera
announce:   Announcing Apache OpenOffice 3.4
announceurl:/news/aoo34.html
announcetip:Read the announcement

ooo-site/trunk/content/fr/brand.mdtext

topref:   /fr/
home:   accueil
search: rech.
name:   Apache OpenOffice (incubateur)
tagline:(incubateur) | La suite bureautique libre et gratuite
logo:   AOO_logos/OOo_Website_v2_copy.png
domain: www.openoffice.org
divid:  bannera
announce:   Apache OpenOffice 3.4 est disponible
announceurl:/fr/AOO_annonce_3_4.html
announcetip:Annonce officielle 3.4

ooo-site/trunk/content/fi/brand.mdtext

topref:   /fi/
home:   home
search: search
name:   Apache OpenOffice (incubating)
tagline:(incubating) | The Free and Open Productivity Suite
logo:   AOO_logos/OOo_Website_v2_copy.png
domain: www.openoffice.org
divid:  bannera
announce:   Announcing Apache OpenOffice 3.4
announceurl:/news/aoo34.html
announcetip:Read the announcement

BTW - You can translate the above strings to Finnish :-)

I'll help you if your concept passes LAZY CONSENSUS

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Regards Risto
> 
> 
> 

Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] proposal to activate the update service for OOo 3.2 and OOo 3.2.1

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:30 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am sorry - again some stuff regarding our update service.
>
> As it has been pointed out in [1] there are some more OOo versions out there
> for which we can activate the update service.
>
> Thus, I am proposing to activate the update service for installed OOo 3.2
> and OOo 3.2.1 instances for which we have an AOO 3.4 installation package.


Hi Oliver,

Would it be possible to also include 3.1.0 in the update notifications?

I mention this because that is what openoffice.us.com is installing,
and they probably get a good number of hits, due to their search
engine advertisements.  (The are #1 when searching for 'OpenOffice' on
Bing.)  We don't need to agree with their methods, but I think we
should try to help the users.  If they are installing this ancient
code they are susceptible to all sorts of security issues.

As far as I can tell they are offering only Windows en-US downloads.
I just installed on a VM and the About box says it is OOO310m11
(Build:9399).

I tried installing AOO 3.4 on top of the 3.1.0 install and it worked
fine.  The only odd thing I saw was that it left an empty
"OpenOffice.org 3.1" folder in the Start menu.  I think that is
cleaned up when upgrading 3.3 ==> 3.4.  But otherwise everything
worked fine.

We might need to maintain these update notifications from release to
release, so long as some of these exploitation sites continue to push
old versions onto users.

-Rob

> These would be OOo 3.2/3.2.1 versions of the following languages on Windows,
> MacOS X, Linux 32bit and Linux 64bit:
> - English (US)
> - Arabic
> - Chinese (simplified)
> - Chinese (traditional)
> - Czech
> - Dutch
> - French
> - Galician
> - German
> - Hungarian
> - Italian
> - Japanese
> - Portuguese (Brazilian)
> - Russian
> - Spanish
>
> If nobody objects, I will work on the following tasks to make this happen:
> (A) get in contact with Apache infrastructure in order to get the following
> Update URLs of OOo 3.2.1 and OOo 3.2 redirected:
> -- http://update35.services.openoffice.org/ProductUpdateService/check.Update
> -- http://update34.services.openoffice.org/ProductUpdateService/check.Update
> These are the Update URL of OOo 3.2.1 resp. OOo 3.2
> (B) creation of corresponding XML documents at the following URLs:
> --
> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/update35/ProductUpdateService/check.Update
> --
> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/update34/ProductUpdateService/check.Update
> The content of these XML documents will be more or less the same as for our
> OOo 3.3 update service, found at [2], but will contain download URLs with
> corresponding URL parameters in order to identify the OOo version which is
> using the update function.
>
> [1] http://markmail.org/message/kepaycvdsaibijn6
> [2]
> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/update36/ProductUpdateService/check.Update
>
>
> Best regards, Oliver.

Apache Openoffice logo linking always same?

[Risto Jääskeläinen]

I feel that link from web-page logo should always be to main www-page ie. to 
www.openoffice.org. By this we create some more unity in www jungle and 
temporary visitors of which ever page can quickly move to downloading the suite.

Situation now:

a) Main WWW-pages (also native language): No link 
 - that mean http://www.openoffice.org/ and sub sites.


b) http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ -site: link to this same home 
page.

c...d) cwiki and wiki pages are similar to case b.

As a small work around solution I add download link on cwikis home page:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home
But I feel that link via logo to main page would be much better solution.

I am ready my self use some hours for this  case if there is no denial for idea.  There is also possible do this in case a and not in other sites. 
For example on wiki pages

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page
there are link to downloading in menu panel. So it is not priority # 1.

Opionions?

Regards 
Risto

RE: OpenOffice in Java

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

@Rony,

I have no intention to bash Java.  

However, the ability to support extensions and scripting including optional 
reliance on a JVM hosting is not the same as reworking AOOi as Java-hosted 
software.  In fact, it is no longer to have a JVM to install AOOi (or 
LibreOffice) and JREs are no longer distributed as part of the installs.

I am not a party to any of that.  I am simply observing it.  

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Rony G. Flatscher (Apache) [mailto:r...@apache.org] 
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 07:26
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: OpenOffice in Java


On 05.07.2012 22:04, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 5. Juli 2012 um 19:57 schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:
... cut ...
>> 3. Are you aware that the tendency is to remove Java dependencies from 
>> OpenOffice? I don't know the reasoning, but it is happening.
AFAICT there was quite an anti-Java stance before the OpenJDK came along by 
different groups.

Therefore, I was surprised to read this statement, because for quite some time 
there has been no
"Java-bashing", which IMHO would just simply be stupid, unfprofessional and 
actually harm AOO in
todays world.

> really, I don't see it at AOO at the moment. I still recommend Java for 
> extensions because it's
> much easier to develop and to maintain on all platforms.
+1

In addtion, the very important AOO scripting framework is totally Java based.
(BTW, this does not mean that one is only able to deploy Java-implemented 
script languages, but it
means that it is very easy to add any Java-based scripting language in addition 
to AOO. As another
example there is an oxt-package that adds the C++ implemented ooRexx scripting 
language to AOO/LO
exploiting/using the Java based scripting framework, and it works well and 
fast.)

---rony

OSCON Pre-conference Session for Apache OpenOFfice

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

There are preconference activities on June 16-17 preceding OSCON in Portland, 
Oregon.

See .

The Tuesday, 9am Programming & Productivity Mini BarCamp is offered for Apache 
OpenOfice (incubatng) and Apache DeltaSpike (incubating).  It might be a good 
place for ODF Toolkit (incubating) interest as well.

To attract interest and encourage new participants, it is requested that brief 
summaries be added to the Wiki at the appropriate topic.  The event will be 
publicized.

It might be useful to indicate somewhere who from the project will be there for 
the Mini BarCamp and related Hackathons and Roundtables.

 - Dennis

PS: It is interesting that the term "BarCamp" has taken on a life of its own.  
It was originally the designation of a camp-out that was *not* FooCamp, the 
invitational Friends of O'Reilly camp-out that was held annually.


-Original Message-
From: Franklin, Matthew B. [mailto:mfrank...@mitre.org] 
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 07:58
To: PMC and PPMC addresses
Cc: con...@apache.org
Subject: RE: OSCON Pre-conference Session Participation

We have created a wiki page[1] to help organize and track the information for 
Apache@OSCON.  If you already mailed me your project information, I added it to 
the wiki.  If not, we have granted everyone write privileges, so please add it 
to the page ASAP.  

Also note that there is a section for any after-hours or secondary events being 
held by your communities.

The sooner everyone can get their information in the page, the sooner press@ 
can begin helping us market via twitter, blog and press release.

[1] : http://wiki.apache.org/concom-planning/ApacheAtOSCON2012

>-Original Message-
>From: m.ben.frank...@gmail.com [mailto:m.ben.frank...@gmail.com] On
>Behalf Of Matt Franklin
>Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 9:43 AM
>To: PMC and PPMC addresses
>Cc: con...@apache.org
>Subject: OSCON Pre-conference Session Participation
>
>You are receiving this e-mail because one or more individuals in your
>community have expressed interest in participating in pre-conference
>sessions at OSCON on the 16th and 17th of July.
>
>This is an opportunity for your project and Apache as a whole to
>engage a wide audience of developers who are interested in or working
>with open source.
>
[ ... ]
>
>What we need from your PMC is information about your project that can
>be used before and during the event to draw in participants.  A good
>starting point would be a short description of your project and any
>interesting factoids that might pique a participant's interest.  As
>OSCON is only two weeks away, we ask that you provide us any
>information you can before the end of this week.
>
>We will also be working to solidify the exact plan for the day over
>the next two weeks and will be looking for your input.
>
>Thanks in advance for helping us show the rest of the open source
>community what Apache is all about.
>
>-The Apache Conference Committee

Re: [QA] AOO 3.4.1 Performance Verification Test (PVT) Introduction

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:11 PM, zhangjf  wrote:
> The right url is
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Performance/AOO3.4.1_PVT_Introduction
>

Great.  Thanks!

A few questions:

1) Are the scripts and test documents checked into SVN?

2) How long does it take for a complete run of the tests?

3) What is the order of the tests?  For example, are you doing:

a) document 1 run 1, document 1 run 2, document 1 run 3...document 1
run 8, document 2 run 1...document 2 run 8, etc.

or

b) document 1 run 1, document 2 run 1, document 3 run 1...document N
run 1, then document 1 run 2, document 2 run 2, etc.


4) Within the test do you restart OpenOffice?  If so, do you restart
after every document?  Or every measurement?


If it is at all possible to take more measurements, I think we would
get more high quality results.  Right now, you take 8 measurements and
throw away 3 of them (first run, highest time and lowest time).  That
throws away information and biases the results because the first run
is probably also slower, so you toss out the two slowest runs but only
toss out the single fastest run.  But the fastest run is probably also
the most accurate one, since there are many things in a test that can
accidentally slow things down, but almost nothing can happen to make a
test run faster. (assuming the test logic is accurate).

In general, in an experiment, keep all the data you have, and get more
accurate results by doing more repetitions.

For example, what if we did 100 iterations of each test?  How long
would that take?

If we did that, it would have some benefits:

1) We wouldn't need to worry about tossing out high and low values.
Our error bounds would be good because of the number of runs we have.
 The impact of any one anomalous measurement will be much smaller.

2) We could at the same time look at the trend of the measurement over
the test run.  For example, compare the average of the first 10% of
the runs with the average of the last 10%.  Is there a difference?  If
a test slows down over time  that might indicate a memory leak or
other problem.  You will never find this with only 8 measurements.

3) It would tell us the distribution of timings, as well as the average.

(Another trick.  If you are going to do N load measurements of the
same document, maybe start the test run by creating N identical copies
of the same document on disk.  Then load each copy only once.  That
helps even out the disk cache and I/O environment compared to loading
the exact same file N times)

-Rob


> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Yi Xuan Liu  wrote:
>> Hi, all:
>>
>> I wrote a wiki
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Performance/AOO3.4.1_PVT_Introductionabout
>> PVT project in AOO 3.4.1.
>> Any comment is welcomed!

Re: www.BrOffice.org -- does anyone have a contact?

[Albino B Neto]

Hi.

2012/7/5 Rob Weir :
> http://www.broffice.org/
>
> Website has a nice link on the home page for AOO, but it goes to the
> dev snapshot wiki page.  It would be much better to point to
> http://www.openoffice.org/pt-br/

Yes.

Need update the link for this. I gonna send email for ClaudioF

Albino

Re: [BUILDBOT] build breakers

[Tsutomu Uchino]

2012/7/6 Andre Fischer :
> Here is a quick update on the status of the buildbots:
>
> - Windows7 still breaks because it attempts to use the compiler from Visual
> Studio 2010 instead of the officially supported one from 2008.
>
> - Linux 32bit is OK.
>
> - Linux 64bit has a strange, Java related problem.  With Herbert's help I
> have changed the build.pl script a little bit so that we get the dmake
> output even when the buildbot terminates the build process.  With that we
> have found out that the build most often (2 times in the last 3 days) when
> building javadoc.
> The cause of the hang remains unknown.  Any help by Java-experts is welcome.
This is not a solution but we do not need javadoc  for httpclient so
it can omit to build like as follows:
diff -u misc/build.xml misc/build/commons-httpclient-3.1/build.xml
--- misc/build.xml  2007-08-18 18:02:14.0 +0900
+++ misc/build/commons-httpclient-3.1/build.xml 2012-07-07
00:21:06.331136658 +0900
@@ -142,7 +142,7 @@

 

-  
 
 

>
> The log file of the Linux 64bit can be found here:
>
> http://ci.apache.org/builders/openoffice-linux64-nightly/builds/279/steps/shell_1/logs/stdio
>
> Go to the end and find the last non-blue (shall I say black?) lines.
>
> -Andre

-Tsutomu

Re: Labels

[Andrew Douglas Pitonyak]

I believe that your templates can be bundled into an extension (or 
similar) and distributed from an extension web site.


http://extensions.openoffice.org/



On 07/06/2012 03:38 AM, Sybil Snyders wrote:


Good day

Hope you are well.

We would like to get in contact with you to see how we can work 
together on the label printing functionality of your software.  We 
have our own templates, which we like to be loaded and we can then 
promote your software to other users.  We have clients whom we 
currently assist printing labels from your software and then we also 
have other clients whom refuse to get Microsoft Word, we can then 
recommend your software.


Can you please advise, with whom and how we can get in contact

Regards

Sybil_Signature



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My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt
Info:  http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php

Re: OpenOffice in Java

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Phillip Rhodes
 wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:41 PM, suhail ansari  wrote:
>>
>> A Java spin-off of AOO written in Java on the other hand, starting
>> from scratch, would be good. Call it AOO-Lite.
>
> That's actually a pretty intriguing idea.  Not a full AOO, but
> something that could be loaded with JWS/JNLP, that would provide at
> least a lightweight editor for ODF documents, would be pretty darn
> handy.
>

I was involved in something like this many years ago, at Lotus.  We
took the "SmartSuite" code and ported parts of it to Java.  Back then
the aim was to create applet versions of them.  It was possible,
though difficult, to do back then.  We only had AWT at the time, so
very primitive.  As we know, the ensuing competition and legal
wranglings nearly killed Java-in-the-browser, so that project died.
We also did another version, based on activeX, again as
programmable/embeddable components.

So I think re-creating a heavy-weight traditional editor in Java would
be a waste of time.  Yes, it could be done.  It might even be faster
than AOO, since rewriting code tends to lead to more efficient code.
But it would consume a lot of time, and by the time we had something
we might find that the market had past us by.

IMHO, the more interesting thing would be lighter-weight component,
maybe HTML5 based.   Data-aware, both common web formats like JSON and
OData, but also ODF-aware.   A spreadsheet component that you can
easily embed into a website.  Not only for ad-hoc use, but as part of
an overall application.

That is one of the top requests I hear for the ODF Toolkit -- a
reusable editor widget.

-Rob


> Whether or not it would need to have any association with AOO at all
> strikes me as an open question, but the idea itself has some appeal...
>
>
> Phil

Re: Labels

[Kevin Grignon]

KG01 - see comments inline

On Friday, July 6, 2012, Sybil Snyders wrote:

> Good day
>
> ** **
>
> Hope you are well.  
>
> ** **
>
> We would like to get in contact with you to see how we can work together
> on the label printing functionality of your software.
>
> KG01 - Thanks for your question and input.

>  We have our own templates, which we like to be loaded and we can then
> promote your software to other users.
>
> KG01 - Perhaps you could describe your task goal in more detail. Do you
want to create and distribute a custom templates? What aspects of the
current user experience do you want to see enhanced?

> We have clients whom we currently assist printing labels from your
> software and then we also have other clients whom refuse to get Microsoft
> Word, we can then recommend your software.
>
> ** **
>
> Can you please advise, with whom and how we can get in contact
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Regards
>
> ** **
>
> [image: Sybil_Signature]
>
> ** **
>

Re: OpenOffice in Java

[Phillip Rhodes]

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:41 PM, suhail ansari  wrote:
>
> A Java spin-off of AOO written in Java on the other hand, starting
> from scratch, would be good. Call it AOO-Lite.

That's actually a pretty intriguing idea.  Not a full AOO, but
something that could be loaded with JWS/JNLP, that would provide at
least a lightweight editor for ODF documents, would be pretty darn
handy.

Whether or not it would need to have any association with AOO at all
strikes me as an open question, but the idea itself has some appeal...


Phil

Re: OpenOffice in Java

[Rony G. Flatscher (Apache)]

On 05.07.2012 22:04, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 5. Juli 2012 um 19:57 schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:
... cut ...
>> 3. Are you aware that the tendency is to remove Java dependencies from 
>> OpenOffice? I don't know the reasoning, but it is happening.
AFAICT there was quite an anti-Java stance before the OpenJDK came along by 
different groups.

Therefore, I was surprised to read this statement, because for quite some time 
there has been no
"Java-bashing", which IMHO would just simply be stupid, unfprofessional and 
actually harm AOO in
todays world.

> really, I don't see it at AOO at the moment. I still recommend Java for 
> extensions because it's
> much easier to develop and to maintain on all platforms.
+1

In addtion, the very important AOO scripting framework is totally Java based.
(BTW, this does not mean that one is only able to deploy Java-implemented 
script languages, but it
means that it is very easy to add any Java-based scripting language in addition 
to AOO. As another
example there is an oxt-package that adds the C++ implemented ooRexx scripting 
language to AOO/LO
exploiting/using the Java based scripting framework, and it works well and 
fast.)

---rony

Re: spreadsheet source

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

Hi Shawn,

On Fri, Jul 06, 2012 at 10:34:10AM -0300, Shawn Pringle wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> I am a new subscriber and there are some bugs I am trying to resolve.
> 
> Hello, can someone direct me to the spreadsheet code?  I am especially
> interested in the part that handles the tabs at the bottom of the
> screen.  Apart from the wiki, (I haven't looked yet), is there
> documentation on the OOO internals?

Your previous mail went through moderation, and already got an
answer: http://markmail.org/message/qb5v2xd3kbfady6e


> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Shawn Pringle
> - -- 
> PGP public key available at pool.sks-keyservers.net
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-


I'd suggest you configure Enigmail to sign using PGP/MIME instead of the
old-fashioned inline-PGP, in Thunderbird's Account Settings go to
OpenPGP Security and enable "Use PGP/MIME by default".

See the Handbook/Help: http://www.rainydayz.org/node/68


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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spreadsheet source

[Shawn Pringle]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

I am a new subscriber and there are some bugs I am trying to resolve.

Hello, can someone direct me to the spreadsheet code?  I am especially
interested in the part that handles the tabs at the bottom of the
screen.  Apart from the wiki, (I haven't looked yet), is there
documentation on the OOO internals?

Thanks in advance,

Shawn Pringle
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[Call-for-​​Review] [Filter]Bug 119480(import damaged curve error)

[ying sun]

Hi, all

 I had a fix for bug 119480(
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119480)
 Could anyone help me to review the fix?

Thank you!

Labels

[Sybil Snyders]

Good day

 

Hope you are well.  

 

We would like to get in contact with you to see how we can work together on
the label printing functionality of your software.  We have our own
templates, which we like to be loaded and we can then promote your software
to other users.  We have clients whom we currently assist printing labels
from your software and then we also have other clients whom refuse to get
Microsoft Word, we can then recommend your software.

 

Can you please advise, with whom and how we can get in contact

 

 

Regards

 

Sybil_Signature

 

ICLA for Stuart Swales / Apache OpenOffice

[Stuart Swales]

I would like to ask for committer rights for Pootle for the en-GB
(British English) files.

Up to now, Jürgen Schmidt has been committing changes to this part of
the AOO project on my behalf.

My ICLA was received and filed in April (see below).

Best regards,

Stuart Swales (from the old OpenOffice.org en-GB project)

 Original Message 
Subject: Re:
/Users/clr/apache/documents/iclas/stuart-keith-swales/apache-icla-stuart-swales.txt.sig
- ICLA for Stuart Swales / Apache OpenOffice
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 06:48:42 -0700
From: Craig L Russell 
To: Stuart Swales 
CC: secret...@apache.org,  priv...@incubator.apache.org,
ooo-priv...@incubator.apache.org

Dear Stuart Swales,

This message acknowledges receipt of your ICLA, which has been filed
in the Apache Software Foundation records.

If you have been invited as a committer, please advise the project PMC
that your ICLA has been filed.

Warm Regards,

Craig L Russell
Secretary, Apache Software Foundation


-- 
Stuart Swales

Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] proposal to activate the update service for OOo 3.2 and OOo 3.2.1

[Roberto Galoppini]

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <
orwittm...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> On 06.07.2012 13:27, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <
>> orwittm...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27.06.2012 11:30, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi,

 I am sorry - again some stuff regarding our update service.

 As it has been pointed out in [1] there are some more OOo versions out
 there for
 which we can activate the update service.

 Thus, I am proposing to activate the update service for installed OOo
 3.2
 and
 OOo 3.2.1 instances for which we have an AOO 3.4 installation package.
 These would be OOo 3.2/3.2.1 versions of the following languages on
 Windows,
 MacOS X, Linux 32bit and Linux 64bit:
 - English (US)
 - Arabic
 - Chinese (simplified)
 - Chinese (traditional)
 - Czech
 - Dutch
 - French
 - Galician
 - German
 - Hungarian
 - Italian
 - Japanese
 - Portuguese (Brazilian)
 - Russian
 - Spanish

 If nobody objects, I will work on the following tasks to make this
 happen:
 (A) get in contact with Apache infrastructure in order to get the
 following
 Update URLs of OOo 3.2.1 and OOo 3.2 redirected:
 -- http://update35.services.**ope**noffice.org/**
 ProductUpdateService/check.Update
 >
 -- http://update34.services.**ope**noffice.org/**
 ProductUpdateService/check.Update
 >

 These are the Update URL of OOo 3.2.1 resp. OOo 3.2
 (B) creation of corresponding XML documents at the following URLs:
 -- 
 http://www.openoffice.org/projects/update35/**
 ProductUpdateService/check.Update
 >
 -- 
 http://www.openoffice.org/projects/update34/**
 ProductUpdateService/check.Update
 >

 The content of these XML documents will be more or less the same as for
 our OOo
 3.3 update service, found at [2], but will contain download URLs with
 corresponding URL parameters in order to identify the OOo version which
 is using
 the update function.

 [1] 
 http://markmail.org/message/kepaycvdsaibijn6
 
 >
 [2] 
 http://www.openoffice.org/projects/update36/**
 ProductUpdateService/check.Update
 >



  No objections so far. Thus, I will go ahead.
>>>
>>>
>> Is it live by now?
>>
>>
> Not yet.
> I am in contact with ASF infra - JIRA-5011 [1] and IRC chat - to get the
> redirects working.
> After the redirects have been established I will announce here, when I
> will finish step (B).
>
> Do you have any date and time in mind?
>

We're ready to manage that traffic as well, so whenever you want.

Best,

Roberto


>
> [1] 
> https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/INFRA-5011
>
>
> Best regards, Oliver.
>

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Re: Terms of Service on Forums

[drew]

On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 20:49 +0200, Hagar Delest wrote:
> Le mer. 04 juil. 2012 04:44:19 CEST, drew  a écrit :
> 
> > Yes - it goes to the page on the website - a page I tried to get people
> > to look at for fixup months ago - but there was no interest in doing so
> > at the time, and yes as it stands it is just wrong.
> 
> Weird, after that discussion, I remember seeing the page being redirected to 
> something like the wiki. It had definitively stopped pointing to the Oracle 
> page.
> 
> Hagar
> 

*chuckling*...what you think my memory could be faulty - never.. well,
once or twice, maybe. Now what was the question?

//drew 

Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] proposal to activate the update service for OOo 3.2 and OOo 3.2.1

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

On 06.07.2012 13:27, Roberto Galoppini wrote:

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <
orwittm...@googlemail.com> wrote:

On 27.06.2012 11:30, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:


Hi,

I am sorry - again some stuff regarding our update service.

As it has been pointed out in [1] there are some more OOo versions out
there for
which we can activate the update service.

Thus, I am proposing to activate the update service for installed OOo 3.2
and
OOo 3.2.1 instances for which we have an AOO 3.4 installation package.
These would be OOo 3.2/3.2.1 versions of the following languages on
Windows,
MacOS X, Linux 32bit and Linux 64bit:
- English (US)
- Arabic
- Chinese (simplified)
- Chinese (traditional)
- Czech
- Dutch
- French
- Galician
- German
- Hungarian
- Italian
- Japanese
- Portuguese (Brazilian)
- Russian
- Spanish

If nobody objects, I will work on the following tasks to make this happen:
(A) get in contact with Apache infrastructure in order to get the
following
Update URLs of OOo 3.2.1 and OOo 3.2 redirected:
-- http://update35.services.**openoffice.org/**
ProductUpdateService/check.**Update
-- http://update34.services.**openoffice.org/**
ProductUpdateService/check.**Update
These are the Update URL of OOo 3.2.1 resp. OOo 3.2
(B) creation of corresponding XML documents at the following URLs:
-- http://www.openoffice.org/**projects/update35/**
ProductUpdateService/check.**Update
-- http://www.openoffice.org/**projects/update34/**
ProductUpdateService/check.**Update
The content of these XML documents will be more or less the same as for
our OOo
3.3 update service, found at [2], but will contain download URLs with
corresponding URL parameters in order to identify the OOo version which
is using
the update function.

[1] 
http://markmail.org/message/**kepaycvdsaibijn6
[2] http://www.openoffice.org/**projects/update36/**
ProductUpdateService/check.**Update




No objections so far. Thus, I will go ahead.



Is it live by now?



Not yet.
I am in contact with ASF infra - JIRA-5011 [1] and IRC chat - to get the 
redirects working.
After the redirects have been established I will announce here, when I will 
finish step (B).


Do you have any date and time in mind?

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5011


Best regards, Oliver.

Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] proposal to activate the update service for OOo 3.2 and OOo 3.2.1

[Roberto Galoppini]

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <
orwittm...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> On 27.06.2012 11:30, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am sorry - again some stuff regarding our update service.
>>
>> As it has been pointed out in [1] there are some more OOo versions out
>> there for
>> which we can activate the update service.
>>
>> Thus, I am proposing to activate the update service for installed OOo 3.2
>> and
>> OOo 3.2.1 instances for which we have an AOO 3.4 installation package.
>> These would be OOo 3.2/3.2.1 versions of the following languages on
>> Windows,
>> MacOS X, Linux 32bit and Linux 64bit:
>> - English (US)
>> - Arabic
>> - Chinese (simplified)
>> - Chinese (traditional)
>> - Czech
>> - Dutch
>> - French
>> - Galician
>> - German
>> - Hungarian
>> - Italian
>> - Japanese
>> - Portuguese (Brazilian)
>> - Russian
>> - Spanish
>>
>> If nobody objects, I will work on the following tasks to make this happen:
>> (A) get in contact with Apache infrastructure in order to get the
>> following
>> Update URLs of OOo 3.2.1 and OOo 3.2 redirected:
>> -- http://update35.services.**openoffice.org/**
>> ProductUpdateService/check.**Update
>> -- http://update34.services.**openoffice.org/**
>> ProductUpdateService/check.**Update
>> These are the Update URL of OOo 3.2.1 resp. OOo 3.2
>> (B) creation of corresponding XML documents at the following URLs:
>> -- http://www.openoffice.org/**projects/update35/**
>> ProductUpdateService/check.**Update
>> -- http://www.openoffice.org/**projects/update34/**
>> ProductUpdateService/check.**Update
>> The content of these XML documents will be more or less the same as for
>> our OOo
>> 3.3 update service, found at [2], but will contain download URLs with
>> corresponding URL parameters in order to identify the OOo version which
>> is using
>> the update function.
>>
>> [1] 
>> http://markmail.org/message/**kepaycvdsaibijn6
>> [2] http://www.openoffice.org/**projects/update36/**
>> ProductUpdateService/check.**Update
>>
>>
>>
> No objections so far. Thus, I will go ahead.
>

Is it live by now?


>
> Best regards, Oliver.
>
> P.S.:
> Remark, for me it looks like that the user experience of upgrading from an
> installed OOo 3.2/OOo 3.2.1 to AOO 3.4 does not differ from the user
> experience when upgrading from OOo 3.3 to AOO 3.4. Some drawbacks were
> reported, but it does not look like to me that upgrading from OOo 3.2/OOo
> 3.2.1 has different ones.
>

Agree, that's why I reported no issue with upgrading from OOo 3.2 to AOO
3.4.

Roberto

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Re: Java

[Fernando Cassia]

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Wolf Halton  wrote:
> The technical complexity of AOO doesn't lend itself to a weekend rewrite
> into FlashFX, but the idea of a Java ODF viewer that can work with
> OpenOffice has some merit.

Yes, and that was my idea. ;))

FC
PS: Also agree we all were at some point beginners... perhaps the OP´s
imperative tone ("must be") ticked me off the wrong way. Apologies.

Re: Java

[Wolf Halton]

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:59 AM, suhail ansari 
> wrote:
> > OpenOffice should be rewritten in JavaFX.
>
> Hmm... I should learn to search for email addresses before engaging
> into long discussions about programming with people who obviously have
> never done any programming...
>
> " Trying to start an Hardware Industry next year, Let's see if I can do
> it? "
> https://plus.google.com/103309406781801048883/posts/ceeXiVgho4S
>
> "Thinking of doing graduation in Commerce"
> https://plus.google.com/103309406781801048883/posts/PPfZVUn9nWJ
>
> "Introduction
> I am from Chattisgarh and I am under training to become an Investor
> Occupation : Investor"
> https://plus.google.com/103309406781801048883/about
>
> "I have a suggestion for Nexus One. I think Nexus One should come with
> an Projection keyboard."
> comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.android.beginners/21124
>
> FC
> --
> During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a
> revolutionary act
> - George Orwell
>

Everyone was a beginner sometime. As a conversation-starter, you must admit
the OP was pretty good.
The technical complexity of AOO doesn't lend itself to a weekend rewrite
into FlashFX, but the idea of a Java ODF viewer that can work with
OpenOffice has some merit.
I am partial to folding doors on the bikeshed and I do not care what colour
it is.

-Wolf


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3.4.1_release_blocker granted: [Bug 120167] Problem with Khmer Installer

[bugzilla]

j...@apache.org has granted  3.4.1_release_blocker:
Bug 120167: Problem with Khmer Installer
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120167


--- Additional Comments from j...@apache.org
set release blocker flag 3.4.1

Re: widgets Tab and Spreadsheet

[Andre Fischer]

Hi Shawn,

On 05.07.2012 18:33, Shawn Pringle wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello,

I am looking for where the spread sheet tabs are in the source code.
That is to say, the part of the source code that links the tabs and
the individual sheets together.  Can anyone direct me to some
directory or suggest a regex pattern to search?


I am not really familiar with the Calc code but I think that

main/sc/source/ui/view/tabcont.cxx

might be what you are looking for.

In ScTabControl::MouseButtonUp() for example, you can see a line
that starts with

if ( rMEvt.GetClicks() == 2 ...

that handles a double click on the tabs (and then opens a dialog for 
renaming the clicked tab.)


The base class of ScTabControl is TabBar and can be found in

main/svtools/source/control/tabbar.cxx


Regards,
Andre

Re: scp2 adding quickstart binary for OS/2

[Andre Fischer]

On 05.07.2012 18:28, Yuri Dario wrote:

Hi,

I need to add quickstart.exe to the OS/2 installation. Is it correct
to use the following code?


I am not an expert but here is what I would try to do:

- Add a file like (or use directly) 
main/scp2/source/quickstart/file_quickstart.scp


- Extend the guard in the makefile 
main/scp2/source/quickstart/makefile.mk for OS/2.


- In that same makefile check if the registry item is applicable to OS/2

- Hope for the best.


Regards,
Andre



Index: source/ooo/common_brand.scp
===
--- source/ooo/common_brand.scp (revision 1354900)
+++ source/ooo/common_brand.scp (working copy)
@@ -48,6 +48,7 @@
   gid_Brand_File_Bin_Crashreport_Script,
   gid_Brand_File_Bin_Crashreport_Com,
   gid_Brand_File_Bin_Python,
+ gid_Brand_File_Bin_Quickstart_Os2,
   gid_Brand_File_Bin_Soffice,
   gid_Brand_File_Bin_Soffice_Bin,
   gid_Brand_File_Bin_Soffice_Bin_Manifest,
@@ -1324,3 +1325,12 @@
  Styles = (PACKED);
  End
  #endif
+
+#ifdef OS2
+File gid_Brand_File_Bin_Quickstart_Os2
+TXT_FILE_BODY;
+Styles = (PACKED);
+Dir = gid_Brand_Dir_Program;
+Name = "quickstart.exe";
+End
+#endif


I see references to windows quickstart.exe, but it seems to be added
in some other way I don't understand.

thanks,

Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] proposal to activate the update service for OOo 3.2 and OOo 3.2.1

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

On 27.06.2012 11:30, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

I am sorry - again some stuff regarding our update service.

As it has been pointed out in [1] there are some more OOo versions out there for
which we can activate the update service.

Thus, I am proposing to activate the update service for installed OOo 3.2 and
OOo 3.2.1 instances for which we have an AOO 3.4 installation package.
These would be OOo 3.2/3.2.1 versions of the following languages on Windows,
MacOS X, Linux 32bit and Linux 64bit:
- English (US)
- Arabic
- Chinese (simplified)
- Chinese (traditional)
- Czech
- Dutch
- French
- Galician
- German
- Hungarian
- Italian
- Japanese
- Portuguese (Brazilian)
- Russian
- Spanish

If nobody objects, I will work on the following tasks to make this happen:
(A) get in contact with Apache infrastructure in order to get the following
Update URLs of OOo 3.2.1 and OOo 3.2 redirected:
-- http://update35.services.openoffice.org/ProductUpdateService/check.Update
-- http://update34.services.openoffice.org/ProductUpdateService/check.Update
These are the Update URL of OOo 3.2.1 resp. OOo 3.2
(B) creation of corresponding XML documents at the following URLs:
-- http://www.openoffice.org/projects/update35/ProductUpdateService/check.Update
-- http://www.openoffice.org/projects/update34/ProductUpdateService/check.Update
The content of these XML documents will be more or less the same as for our OOo
3.3 update service, found at [2], but will contain download URLs with
corresponding URL parameters in order to identify the OOo version which is using
the update function.

[1] http://markmail.org/message/kepaycvdsaibijn6
[2] 
http://www.openoffice.org/projects/update36/ProductUpdateService/check.Update




No objections so far. Thus, I will go ahead.

Best regards, Oliver.

P.S.:
Remark, for me it looks like that the user experience of upgrading from an 
installed OOo 3.2/OOo 3.2.1 to AOO 3.4 does not differ from the user experience 
when upgrading from OOo 3.3 to AOO 3.4. Some drawbacks were reported, but it 
does not look like to me that upgrading from OOo 3.2/OOo 3.2.1 has different ones.

Re: www.BrOffice.org -- does anyone have a contact?

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

I contacted him already

Brief and mobile

- louis

On 2012-07-06, at 3:45, "Jürgen Schmidt"  wrote:

> On 7/5/12 11:52 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> http://www.broffice.org/
>>
>> Website has a nice link on the home page for AOO, but it goes to the
>> dev snapshot wiki page.  It would be much better to point to
>> http://www.openoffice.org/pt-br/
>>
>
> I think Claudio Filho can help here
>
> Juergen
>
>

Re: Patch to configure, --enable-category-b and --without-fonts contradicts

[Maho NAKATA]

Hi Andre,

> read this thread and have already checked in your patch.  I stated you
> as patch author, so I hope that you don't mind too much.
Thanks I don't mind ;-)
> SVN revision is 1358058.

Thanks a lot!

Best
 Nakata Maho

From: Andre Fischer 
Subject: Re: Patch to configure, --enable-category-b and --without-fonts 
contradicts
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 09:27:37 +0200

> On 06.07.2012 03:35, Maho NAKATA wrote:
>> Hi Andre Fisher,
>> (Cc: pfg@)
>>
>> I have been porting AOO to FreeBSD and I pass the configure
>> to --enable-category-b and --without-fonts. This contradicts and thus
>> build fails at instsetoo_native.
>>
>> Patch is here:
>> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/files/patch-configure?rev=1.3;content-type=text%2Fplain
>>
>> The reason for that is if we set --enable-category-b, then it
>> automatically
>> activates WITH_CATB_FONTS (SCPDEFS="$SCPDEFS -DWITH_CATB_FONTS"),
>> and cannot be disabled by --without-fonts.
>>
>> However, by --without-fonts, WITH_CATB_FONTS=NO is set but scp2
>> project
>> assumes WITH_CATB_FONTS.
> 
> This seems to be a related but different problem.  I will check that.
> 
>>
>> I think if --without-fonts is set, SCPDEFS="$SCPDEFS
>> -DWITH_CATB_FONTS" should be set.
>>
>> What do you think? Can I commit the patch?
> 
> Pedro has added the patch already to the issue.  I saw that before I
> read this thread and have already checked in your patch.  I stated you
> as patch author, so I hope that you don't mind too much.
> 
> SVN revision is 1358058.
> 
> Thanks for the patch,
> Andre
> 
>> Thanks,
>> -- Nakata Maho http://accc.riken.jp/maho/ , JA OOO
>> -- http://ja.openoffice.org/
>> http://blog.goo.ne.jp/nakatamaho/ ,GPG:
>> http://accc.riken.jp/maho/maho.pgp.txt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 

Re: [BUILDBOT] build breakers

[Andre Fischer]

Here is a quick update on the status of the buildbots:

- Windows7 still breaks because it attempts to use the compiler from 
Visual Studio 2010 instead of the officially supported one from 2008.


- Linux 32bit is OK.

- Linux 64bit has a strange, Java related problem.  With Herbert's help 
I have changed the build.pl script a little bit so that we get the dmake 
output even when the buildbot terminates the build process.  With that 
we have found out that the build most often (2 times in the last 3 days) 
when building javadoc.

The cause of the hang remains unknown.  Any help by Java-experts is welcome.

The log file of the Linux 64bit can be found here:

http://ci.apache.org/builders/openoffice-linux64-nightly/builds/279/steps/shell_1/logs/stdio

Go to the end and find the last non-blue (shall I say black?) lines.

-Andre

Re: Patch to configure, --enable-category-b and --without-fonts contradicts

[Andre Fischer]

On 06.07.2012 09:27, Andre Fischer wrote:

On 06.07.2012 03:35, Maho NAKATA wrote:

Hi Andre Fisher,
(Cc: pfg@)

I have been porting AOO to FreeBSD and I pass the configure
to --enable-category-b and --without-fonts. This contradicts and thus
build fails at instsetoo_native.

Patch is here:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/files/patch-configure?rev=1.3;content-type=text%2Fplain


The reason for that is if we set --enable-category-b, then it
automatically
activates WITH_CATB_FONTS (SCPDEFS="$SCPDEFS -DWITH_CATB_FONTS"),
and cannot be disabled by --without-fonts.

However, by --without-fonts, WITH_CATB_FONTS=NO is set but scp2 project
assumes WITH_CATB_FONTS.


This seems to be a related but different problem.  I will check that.



I think if --without-fonts is set, SCPDEFS="$SCPDEFS
-DWITH_CATB_FONTS" should be set.


I checked that.  SCPDEFS is manipulated in two different places.  One is 
configure and the other is scp2/source/ooo/makefile.mk (and some other 
makefiles in scp2 but they are irrelevant for the problem at hand.) 
Both WITH_CATA_FONTS and WITH_CATB_FONTS are handled in configure and, 
as far as I can see, correctly (both with and without the patch.)  Only 
when category-(A|B) fonts are enabled then WITH_CAT(A|B)_FONTS is added 
to SCPDEFS.


I have added a short comment to scp2/source/ooo/makefile.mk that lists 
the variables managed in configure so that grep or OpenGrok finds them.


I don't see a problem.

-Andre



What do you think? Can I commit the patch?


Pedro has added the patch already to the issue.  I saw that before I
read this thread and have already checked in your patch.  I stated you
as patch author, so I hope that you don't mind too much.

SVN revision is 1358058.

Thanks for the patch,
Andre


Thanks,
-- Nakata Maho http://accc.riken.jp/maho/ , JA OOO
http://ja.openoffice.org/
http://blog.goo.ne.jp/nakatamaho/ ,GPG:
http://accc.riken.jp/maho/maho.pgp.txt

Re: [QA] AOO 3.4.1 Performance Verification Test (PVT) Introduction

[Andre Fischer]

On 06.07.2012 05:11, zhangjf wrote:

The right url is
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Performance/AOO3.4.1_PVT_Introduction

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Yi Xuan Liu  wrote:

Hi, all:

I wrote a wiki
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Performance/AOO3.4.1_PVT_Introductionabout
PVT project in AOO 3.4.1.
Any comment is welcomed!


In section "Result computation Method" it says

Note:the standard deviation is to reflect whether the 8 round
results are stable.

How exactly do you determine whether a result is stable?

-Andre

3.4.1_release_blocker denied: [Bug 120204] No Auto capitalize when AutoCorrect added with right click

[bugzilla]

j...@apache.org has denied Hagar Delest 's request for
3.4.1_release_blocker:
Bug 120204: No Auto capitalize when AutoCorrect added with right click
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120204


--- Additional Comments from j...@apache.org
the issue does not fulfill the release blocker critieria, will be fixed on
trunk

Re: www.BrOffice.org -- does anyone have a contact?

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 7/5/12 11:52 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> http://www.broffice.org/
> 
> Website has a nice link on the home page for AOO, but it goes to the
> dev snapshot wiki page.  It would be much better to point to
> http://www.openoffice.org/pt-br/
> 

I think Claudio Filho can help here

Juergen

Re: Patch to configure, --enable-category-b and --without-fonts contradicts

[Andre Fischer]

On 06.07.2012 03:35, Maho NAKATA wrote:

Hi Andre Fisher,
(Cc: pfg@)

I have been porting AOO to FreeBSD and I pass the configure
to --enable-category-b and --without-fonts. This contradicts and thus
build fails at instsetoo_native.

Patch is here:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/files/patch-configure?rev=1.3;content-type=text%2Fplain

The reason for that is if we set --enable-category-b, then it automatically
activates WITH_CATB_FONTS (SCPDEFS="$SCPDEFS -DWITH_CATB_FONTS"),
and cannot be disabled by --without-fonts.

However, by --without-fonts, WITH_CATB_FONTS=NO is set but scp2 project
assumes WITH_CATB_FONTS.


This seems to be a related but different problem.  I will check that.



I think if --without-fonts is set, SCPDEFS="$SCPDEFS -DWITH_CATB_FONTS" should 
be set.

What do you think? Can I commit the patch?


Pedro has added the patch already to the issue.  I saw that before I 
read this thread and have already checked in your patch.  I stated you 
as patch author, so I hope that you don't mind too much.


SVN revision is 1358058.

Thanks for the patch,
Andre


Thanks,
-- Nakata Maho http://accc.riken.jp/maho/ , JA OOO http://ja.openoffice.org/
http://blog.goo.ne.jp/nakatamaho/ ,GPG: http://accc.riken.jp/maho/maho.pgp.txt

Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]: Preparing release notes

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 7/5/12 11:55 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Jürgen Schmidt
> wrote:
> 
>> Am Dienstag, 3. Juli 2012 um 20:25 schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 ok AOO 3.4.1 won't be a feature release but nevertheless I think we
 should prepare release notes to give a user friendly overview of what
>> is
 going into our upcoming 3.4.1 release.

 I have created a new (more or less empty) wiki page to start working on
 the release notes for 3.4.1.



>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4.1+Release+Notes

 The following query list all fixed blocker issues for 3.4.1 and can be
 used as input for the release notes.

 Any volunteers who are interested to start working on it?

 Juergen
>>>
>>> I can help with this after next week -- after Jul 14. Hopefully that's
>> not
>>> too late.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Perfect and no it is not too late, we plan to release at the end of July.
>> We should try to find a way to create release notes in the future in
>> parallel to our development work and have them more or less ready
>> automatically ;-)
>>
>> Juergen
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>> 
>>> MzK
>>>
>>> "I would rather have a donkey that takes me there
>>> than a horse that will not fare."
>>> -- Portuguese proverb
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
> OK, good...it looks like we'll have quite a number of issues solved judging
> from the reports coming in. I have very limited access to anything until
> the latter part of next week.
> 

it's a micro release with bug fixes mainly. And we will have of course 5
further languages (en-GB, fi, km, sk, sl).

Some further languages have already a good coverage (e.g. ko). We should
do some promotion... When we noticed a volunteer who will start working
on a new language where we already have such a good coverage, we can
support it quite fast.

Let us all spread the knowledge that we are looking for more translation
volunteers for one of the most popular open source programs (> 7 million
downloads of AOO 3.4 since May 8th)

Back to the release notes, we should create a good overview page where
people can get the needed info what's in 3.4.1. More important will be
the release notes for a version where we include new features...

Juergen