MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

[Ian McNicoll]

Hi Shinji,

Very many thanks for leading on this. Is there anything in particular
you need from me or others?

I will add a couple of lines on Educational goals and a couple of
references, though they will not be particularly ?academic? in my
case.

Is the current content ok?

Ian
Dr Ian McNicoll
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Director, freshEHR Clinical Informatics
Director, openEHR Foundation
Director, HANDIHealth CIC
Hon. Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL


On 7 January 2015 at 16:45, Shinji KOBAYASHI  wrote:
> Hi colleagues,
>
> Can I finalize this developers' workshop proposal?
> https://openehr.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4554784
>
> Today is just before one week to the workshop deadline.
>
> Shinji KOBAYASHI
>
> 2014-12-18 20:52 GMT+09:00 Shinji KOBAYASHI :
>> Hi colleagues,
>>
>> I am preparing to submit openEHR developers' workshop in this openEHR wiki 
>> page.
>> https://openehr.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4554784
>> If you got interested in participating this workshop, please add your
>> name and brief summary(100-200 words) of your project on this wiki
>> until Dec 31 2014. Anyone can join this workshop, if you have working
>> on development around openEHR.
>> Thank you for your concern about this workshop and contributing on
>> wiki. I am looking forward to meeting you in Sao Paolo.
>>
>> Shinji KOBAYASHI
>>
>> 2014-10-30 17:21 GMT+09:00 Luis Marco :
>>> Hi Pablo,
>>> I will be in Medinfo therefore we can coordinate together the Spanish
>>> language resources ;-)
>>> Regards,
>>> Luis
>>>
>>> 2014-10-29 17:14 GMT+01:00 pablo pazos :
>>>>
>>>> Hi Sam,
>>>>
>>>> I think right now the tutorial organization is happening in a very organic
>>>> way: people are sharing they proposals so others can collaborate or detect
>>>> possible overlaps.
>>>>
>>>> If we need a group to centralize coordination or communication with
>>>> MedInfo organizers/chairs, I would propose the people interested no giving
>>>> tutorials that is mentioned here:
>>>> http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015+-+Sao+Paulo%2C+Brazil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On my part, I don't have resources to have an stand (flight + hotel +
>>>> conference fee is not cheap for us), but if I can help in any way, e.g. the
>>>> community can use me as an spanish speaker interlocutor, I'll be more than
>>>> happy to help and add my grain of sand.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> About training, I'm doing a small survey to see what people think about
>>>> the proposals already discussed on the lists. My goal is to curate that and
>>>> to reach a new level of discussions beyond "ideas". I don't have Heather
>>>> Grain's email, I'll gladly send her my little survey (Already sent to
>>>> Heather L and Evelyn).
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Pablo.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
>>>> http://cabolabs.com
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> From: sam.heard at openehrfoundation.org
>>>> To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
>>>> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
>>>> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 04:50:10 +
>>>> CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org;
>>>> openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Pablo
>>>>
>>>> Good feedback. It has been difficult to keep up with everything and I am
>>>> in no way trying to impede any activity. I believe this is the first
>>>> International Medinfo in a country where openEHR is up and running.
>>>>
>>>> My wish is to have a group that coordinate the effort. If you feel you
>>>> have this in hand, lets make sure it is public and people know who to go 
>>>> to.
>>>>
>>>> Are there any plans to have an openEHR stand? This could enable a group of
>>>> companies to promote what they are doing?
>>>>
>>>> Evelyn Hovenga and Heather Grain have been working with Heather Leslie
>>>> regarding accrediting training?. have you talked to them? Do we need a 
>>>> group
>>>> coordinating this?
>>>>
>>>> 

MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

[pablo pazos]

(resending this because it was rejected by the lists, sorry if you received 
this twice)
Hi all, I'm also finalizing the proposal for the clinical database workshop, 
please review it 
here:https://openehr.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4554760If 
anyone wants to modify or add anything, just add a comment on the wiki.The 
deadline is next week, please hurry up if you want to review the 
contents.Thanks!-- Kind regards,Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrezhttp://cabolabs.com
-- 
Kind regards,
Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
http://cabolabs.com

> From: skoba at moss.gr.jp
> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 01:45:04 +0900
> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> To: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
> CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-clinical at 
> lists.openehr.org
> 
> Hi colleagues,
> 
> Can I finalize this developers' workshop proposal?
> https://openehr.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4554784
> 
> Today is just before one week to the workshop deadline.
> 
> Shinji KOBAYASHI
> 
> 2014-12-18 20:52 GMT+09:00 Shinji KOBAYASHI :
> > Hi colleagues,
> >
> > I am preparing to submit openEHR developers' workshop in this openEHR wiki 
> > page.
> > https://openehr.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4554784
> > If you got interested in participating this workshop, please add your
> > name and brief summary(100-200 words) of your project on this wiki
> > until Dec 31 2014. Anyone can join this workshop, if you have working
> > on development around openEHR.
> > Thank you for your concern about this workshop and contributing on
> > wiki. I am looking forward to meeting you in Sao Paolo.
> >
> > Shinji KOBAYASHI
> >
> > 2014-10-30 17:21 GMT+09:00 Luis Marco :
> >> Hi Pablo,
> >> I will be in Medinfo therefore we can coordinate together the Spanish
> >> language resources ;-)
> >> Regards,
> >> Luis
> >>
> >> 2014-10-29 17:14 GMT+01:00 pablo pazos :
> >>>
> >>> Hi Sam,
> >>>
> >>> I think right now the tutorial organization is happening in a very organic
> >>> way: people are sharing they proposals so others can collaborate or detect
> >>> possible overlaps.
> >>>
> >>> If we need a group to centralize coordination or communication with
> >>> MedInfo organizers/chairs, I would propose the people interested no giving
> >>> tutorials that is mentioned here:
> >>> http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015+-+Sao+Paulo%2C+Brazil
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On my part, I don't have resources to have an stand (flight + hotel +
> >>> conference fee is not cheap for us), but if I can help in any way, e.g. 
> >>> the
> >>> community can use me as an spanish speaker interlocutor, I'll be more than
> >>> happy to help and add my grain of sand.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> About training, I'm doing a small survey to see what people think about
> >>> the proposals already discussed on the lists. My goal is to curate that 
> >>> and
> >>> to reach a new level of discussions beyond "ideas". I don't have Heather
> >>> Grain's email, I'll gladly send her my little survey (Already sent to
> >>> Heather L and Evelyn).
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Pablo.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Kind regards,
> >>> Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> >>> http://cabolabs.com
  
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MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

[pablo pazos]

Hi all, I'm also finalizing the proposal for the clinical database workshop, 
please review it here:
https://openehr.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4554760
If anyone wants to modify or add anything, just add a comment on the wiki.

The deadline is next week, please hurry up if you want to review the contents.
Thanks!

-- 
Kind regards,
Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
http://cabolabs.com

> From: skoba at moss.gr.jp
> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 01:45:04 +0900
> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> To: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
> CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-clinical at 
> lists.openehr.org
> 
> Hi colleagues,
> 
> Can I finalize this developers' workshop proposal?
> https://openehr.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4554784
> 
> Today is just before one week to the workshop deadline.
> 
> Shinji KOBAYASHI
> 
> 2014-12-18 20:52 GMT+09:00 Shinji KOBAYASHI :
> > Hi colleagues,
> >
> > I am preparing to submit openEHR developers' workshop in this openEHR wiki 
> > page.
> > https://openehr.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4554784
> > If you got interested in participating this workshop, please add your
> > name and brief summary(100-200 words) of your project on this wiki
> > until Dec 31 2014. Anyone can join this workshop, if you have working
> > on development around openEHR.
> > Thank you for your concern about this workshop and contributing on
> > wiki. I am looking forward to meeting you in Sao Paolo.
> >
> > Shinji KOBAYASHI
> >
> > 2014-10-30 17:21 GMT+09:00 Luis Marco :
> >> Hi Pablo,
> >> I will be in Medinfo therefore we can coordinate together the Spanish
> >> language resources ;-)
> >> Regards,
> >> Luis
> >>
> >> 2014-10-29 17:14 GMT+01:00 pablo pazos :
> >>>
> >>> Hi Sam,
> >>>
> >>> I think right now the tutorial organization is happening in a very organic
> >>> way: people are sharing they proposals so others can collaborate or detect
> >>> possible overlaps.
> >>>
> >>> If we need a group to centralize coordination or communication with
> >>> MedInfo organizers/chairs, I would propose the people interested no giving
> >>> tutorials that is mentioned here:
> >>> http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015+-+Sao+Paulo%2C+Brazil
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On my part, I don't have resources to have an stand (flight + hotel +
> >>> conference fee is not cheap for us), but if I can help in any way, e.g. 
> >>> the
> >>> community can use me as an spanish speaker interlocutor, I'll be more than
> >>> happy to help and add my grain of sand.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> About training, I'm doing a small survey to see what people think about
> >>> the proposals already discussed on the lists. My goal is to curate that 
> >>> and
> >>> to reach a new level of discussions beyond "ideas". I don't have Heather
> >>> Grain's email, I'll gladly send her my little survey (Already sent to
> >>> Heather L and Evelyn).
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Pablo.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Kind regards,
> >>> Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> >>> http://cabolabs.com
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>> From: sam.heard at openehrfoundation.org
> >>> To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
> >>> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 04:50:10 +
> >>> CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org;
> >>> openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Pablo
> >>>
> >>> Good feedback. It has been difficult to keep up with everything and I am
> >>> in no way trying to impede any activity. I believe this is the first
> >>> International Medinfo in a country where openEHR is up and running.
> >>>
> >>> My wish is to have a group that coordinate the effort. If you feel you
> >>> have this in hand, lets make sure it is public and people know who to go 
> >>> to.
> >>>
> >>> Are there any plans to have an openEHR stand? This could enable a group of
> >>> companies to promote what they are doing?
> >>>
> >>> Evelyn Hovenga and Heather Grain have been working with Heather Leslie
&g

MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

[Shinji KOBAYASHI]

Hi colleagues,

Can I finalize this developers' workshop proposal?
https://openehr.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4554784

Today is just before one week to the workshop deadline.

Shinji KOBAYASHI

2014-12-18 20:52 GMT+09:00 Shinji KOBAYASHI :
> Hi colleagues,
>
> I am preparing to submit openEHR developers' workshop in this openEHR wiki 
> page.
> https://openehr.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4554784
> If you got interested in participating this workshop, please add your
> name and brief summary(100-200 words) of your project on this wiki
> until Dec 31 2014. Anyone can join this workshop, if you have working
> on development around openEHR.
> Thank you for your concern about this workshop and contributing on
> wiki. I am looking forward to meeting you in Sao Paolo.
>
> Shinji KOBAYASHI
>
> 2014-10-30 17:21 GMT+09:00 Luis Marco :
>> Hi Pablo,
>> I will be in Medinfo therefore we can coordinate together the Spanish
>> language resources ;-)
>> Regards,
>> Luis
>>
>> 2014-10-29 17:14 GMT+01:00 pablo pazos :
>>>
>>> Hi Sam,
>>>
>>> I think right now the tutorial organization is happening in a very organic
>>> way: people are sharing they proposals so others can collaborate or detect
>>> possible overlaps.
>>>
>>> If we need a group to centralize coordination or communication with
>>> MedInfo organizers/chairs, I would propose the people interested no giving
>>> tutorials that is mentioned here:
>>> http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015+-+Sao+Paulo%2C+Brazil
>>>
>>>
>>> On my part, I don't have resources to have an stand (flight + hotel +
>>> conference fee is not cheap for us), but if I can help in any way, e.g. the
>>> community can use me as an spanish speaker interlocutor, I'll be more than
>>> happy to help and add my grain of sand.
>>>
>>>
>>> About training, I'm doing a small survey to see what people think about
>>> the proposals already discussed on the lists. My goal is to curate that and
>>> to reach a new level of discussions beyond "ideas". I don't have Heather
>>> Grain's email, I'll gladly send her my little survey (Already sent to
>>> Heather L and Evelyn).
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Pablo.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
>>> http://cabolabs.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: sam.heard at openehrfoundation.org
>>> To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
>>> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
>>> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 04:50:10 +
>>> CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org;
>>> openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
>>>
>>> Thanks Pablo
>>>
>>> Good feedback. It has been difficult to keep up with everything and I am
>>> in no way trying to impede any activity. I believe this is the first
>>> International Medinfo in a country where openEHR is up and running.
>>>
>>> My wish is to have a group that coordinate the effort. If you feel you
>>> have this in hand, lets make sure it is public and people know who to go to.
>>>
>>> Are there any plans to have an openEHR stand? This could enable a group of
>>> companies to promote what they are doing?
>>>
>>> Evelyn Hovenga and Heather Grain have been working with Heather Leslie
>>> regarding accrediting training?. have you talked to them? Do we need a group
>>> coordinating this?
>>>
>>> Cheers Sam
>>>
>>> Dr Sam Heard
>>> Chairman, openEHR Foundation
>>>
>>> From: pablo pazos
>>> Sent: ?Thursday?, ?23? ?October? ?2014 ?4?:?57? ?PM
>>>
>>> To: For openEHR clinical discussions
>>> Cc: For openEHR technical discussions, For openEHR implementation
>>> discussions
>>>
>>> Hi Sam,
>>>
>>> I think we are coordinating this already :) IMO that's the point of having
>>> the wiki pages and asking colleagues to add content, proposals and comments.
>>>
>>> I think the idea of a key note is great, and I want to collaborate in any
>>> way I can, but... as you an others may know, I asked several times for
>>> endorsement and support (not talking about money) from the foundation on the
>>> training side, to standardize the contents, to have a formal way of
>>> certification, and spread the standard, but the board w

MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

[Shinji KOBAYASHI]

Hi colleagues,

I am preparing to submit openEHR developers' workshop in this openEHR wiki page.
https://openehr.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4554784
If you got interested in participating this workshop, please add your
name and brief summary(100-200 words) of your project on this wiki
until Dec 31 2014. Anyone can join this workshop, if you have working
on development around openEHR.
Thank you for your concern about this workshop and contributing on
wiki. I am looking forward to meeting you in Sao Paolo.

Shinji KOBAYASHI

2014-10-30 17:21 GMT+09:00 Luis Marco :
> Hi Pablo,
> I will be in Medinfo therefore we can coordinate together the Spanish
> language resources ;-)
> Regards,
> Luis
>
> 2014-10-29 17:14 GMT+01:00 pablo pazos :
>>
>> Hi Sam,
>>
>> I think right now the tutorial organization is happening in a very organic
>> way: people are sharing they proposals so others can collaborate or detect
>> possible overlaps.
>>
>> If we need a group to centralize coordination or communication with
>> MedInfo organizers/chairs, I would propose the people interested no giving
>> tutorials that is mentioned here:
>> http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015+-+Sao+Paulo%2C+Brazil
>>
>>
>> On my part, I don't have resources to have an stand (flight + hotel +
>> conference fee is not cheap for us), but if I can help in any way, e.g. the
>> community can use me as an spanish speaker interlocutor, I'll be more than
>> happy to help and add my grain of sand.
>>
>>
>> About training, I'm doing a small survey to see what people think about
>> the proposals already discussed on the lists. My goal is to curate that and
>> to reach a new level of discussions beyond "ideas". I don't have Heather
>> Grain's email, I'll gladly send her my little survey (Already sent to
>> Heather L and Evelyn).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Pablo.
>>
>> --
>> Kind regards,
>> Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
>> http://cabolabs.com
>>
>> 
>> From: sam.heard at openehrfoundation.org
>> To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
>> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
>> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 04:50:10 +
>> CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org;
>> openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
>>
>> Thanks Pablo
>>
>> Good feedback. It has been difficult to keep up with everything and I am
>> in no way trying to impede any activity. I believe this is the first
>> International Medinfo in a country where openEHR is up and running.
>>
>> My wish is to have a group that coordinate the effort. If you feel you
>> have this in hand, lets make sure it is public and people know who to go to.
>>
>> Are there any plans to have an openEHR stand? This could enable a group of
>> companies to promote what they are doing?
>>
>> Evelyn Hovenga and Heather Grain have been working with Heather Leslie
>> regarding accrediting training?. have you talked to them? Do we need a group
>> coordinating this?
>>
>> Cheers Sam
>>
>> Dr Sam Heard
>> Chairman, openEHR Foundation
>>
>> From: pablo pazos
>> Sent: ?Thursday?, ?23? ?October? ?2014 ?4?:?57? ?PM
>>
>> To: For openEHR clinical discussions
>> Cc: For openEHR technical discussions, For openEHR implementation
>> discussions
>>
>> Hi Sam,
>>
>> I think we are coordinating this already :) IMO that's the point of having
>> the wiki pages and asking colleagues to add content, proposals and comments.
>>
>> I think the idea of a key note is great, and I want to collaborate in any
>> way I can, but... as you an others may know, I asked several times for
>> endorsement and support (not talking about money) from the foundation on the
>> training side, to standardize the contents, to have a formal way of
>> certification, and spread the standard, but the board went silent. I'm very
>> pragmatic and I don't know why this is so difficult, for me this is treated
>> in a very political way and should be something technical.
>>
>> With that being said, for me, talking about training under the foundation
>> banner is at least weird.
>>
>> Maybe this is not a good place or time to mention this, but is how I
>> honestly feel about the proposal.
>>
>> I long to see the work I try to do to create awareness about the standard
>> to be supported by the foundation. To be honest, the only support I got is
>> from the Chilean Association of Healthcare Informatics (

MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

[Bakke, Silje Ljosland]

Hi Evelyn,

I?m very interested in the work you?re doing with this. I?ve just got 
confirmation I can attend Medinfo next year, so I?d be very happy to be part of 
this discussion there.

I?d also like to contribute to the clinical modelling tutorial/workshop, as 
outlined on the wiki page. Has anyone taken the lead on submitting the 
proposals? If so, is there anything I can do? If not, is anyone planning to?

Kind regards,
Silje Ljosland Bakke
Coordinator, National Editorial Board for Archetypes, National ICT Norway
Special Adviser, R&D dept, E-health section, Bergen Hospital Trust
Tel. +47 40203298
Web: http://arketyper.no / Twitter: 
@arketyper_no<https://twitter.com/arketyper_no>

From: openEHR-clinical [mailto:openehr-clinical-boun...@lists.openehr.org] On 
Behalf Of Evelyn Hovenga
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:10 PM
To: 'For openEHR clinical discussions'; 'Sam Heard'
Cc: 'For openEHR technical discussions'; 'For openEHR implementation 
discussions'
Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

Pablo,

Heather Grain and I are working with Heather Leslie to develop the openEHR body 
of knowledge and an educational framework that will allow students to identify 
suitable learning pathways and enable educators to develop educational programs 
according to their own expertise and opportunities to deliver.  It would be 
beneficial to have some time with all potential educators to discuss this 
further at Medinfo.

Evelyn
eHealth Education Pty Ltd, RTO 32279
(trading as RSC Training and eHE Training)
?  e.hovenga at ehe.edu.au<mailto:e.hovenga at ehe.edu.au>
?  0408309839  '  1300 285 512
?  www.ehe.edu.au<http://www.ehe.edu.au/>


From: openEHR-clinical [mailto:openehr-clinical-bounces at lists.openehr.org] 
On Behalf Of sam.heard at 
openehrfoundation.org<mailto:sam.he...@openehrfoundation.org>
Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2014 8:08 AM
To: For openEHR clinical discussions; Sam Heard
Cc: For openEHR technical discussions; For openEHR implementation discussions
Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

Thanks Pablo

It is a good team. I have added one possible topic and a couple of names. I 
would suggest that you lead this if you are able. We are keen to nominate  a 
lead person for each conference. Then put together a team from the attendees.

Linking to the Web site and ensuring your work is visible is important. The 
deadline of December 15 will arrive quicker than we expect.

I will be pleased to assist in any way I can and have booked my ticket to the 
conference.

Cheers, Sam

Dr Sam Heard
Chairman, openEHR Foundation

From: pablo pazos<mailto:pazospa...@hotmail.com>
Sent: ?Thursday?, ?30? ?October? ?2014 ?1?:?44? ?AM
To: For openEHR clinical discussions<mailto:openehr-clinical at 
lists.openehr.org>, Sam Heard<mailto:sam.heard at oceaninformatics.com>
Cc: For openEHR technical discussions<mailto:openehr-technical at 
lists.openehr.org>, For openEHR implementation 
discussions<mailto:openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org>

Hi Sam,

I think right now the tutorial organization is happening in a very organic way: 
people are sharing they proposals so others can collaborate or detect possible 
overlaps.

If we need a group to centralize coordination or communication with MedInfo 
organizers/chairs, I would propose the people interested no giving tutorials 
that is mentioned here: 
http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015+-+Sao+Paulo%2C+Brazil<http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015+-+Sao+Paulo%2c+Brazil>


On my part, I don't have resources to have an stand (flight + hotel + 
conference fee is not cheap for us), but if I can help in any way, e.g. the 
community can use me as an spanish speaker interlocutor, I'll be more than 
happy to help and add my grain of sand.


About training, I'm doing a small survey to see what people think about the 
proposals already discussed on the lists. My goal is to curate that and to 
reach a new level of discussions beyond "ideas". I don't have Heather Grain's 
email, I'll gladly send her my little survey (Already sent to Heather L and 
Evelyn).

Cheers,
Pablo.

--
Kind regards,
Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
http://cabolabs.com<http://cabolabs.com/es/home>

From: sam.heard at openehrfoundation.org<mailto:sam.he...@openehrfoundation.org>
To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org<mailto:openehr-clinical at 
lists.openehr.org>
Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 04:50:10 +
CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org<mailto:openehr-technical at 
lists.openehr.org>; openehr-implementers at 
lists.openehr.org<mailto:openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org>
Thanks Pablo

Good feedback. It has been difficult to keep up with everything and I am in no 
way trying to impede any activity. I b

MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

[pablo pazos]

Hi Sam,
I think right now the tutorial organization is happening in a very organic way: 
people are sharing they proposals so others can collaborate or detect possible 
overlaps.
If we need a group to centralize coordination or communication with MedInfo 
organizers/chairs, I would propose the people interested no giving tutorials 
that is mentioned here: 
http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015+-+Sao+Paulo%2C+Brazil

On my part, I don't have resources to have an stand (flight + hotel + 
conference fee is not cheap for us), but if I can help in any way, e.g. the 
community can use me as an spanish speaker interlocutor, I'll be more than 
happy to help and add my grain of sand.

About training, I'm doing a small survey to see what people think about the 
proposals already discussed on the lists. My goal is to curate that and to 
reach a new level of discussions beyond "ideas". I don't have Heather Grain's 
email, I'll gladly send her my little survey (Already sent to Heather L and 
Evelyn).
Cheers,Pablo.
-- 
Kind regards,
Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
http://cabolabs.com

From: sam.he...@openehrfoundation.org
To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 04:50:10 +
CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at 
lists.openehr.org







Thanks Pablo
Good feedback. It has been difficult to keep up with everything and I am in no 
way trying to impede any activity. I believe this is the first International 
Medinfo in a country where openEHR is up and running. 
My wish is to have a group that coordinate the effort. If you feel you have 
this in hand, lets make sure it is public and people know who to go to.
Are there any plans to have an openEHR stand? This could enable a group of 
companies to promote what they are doing?
Evelyn Hovenga and Heather Grain have been working with Heather Leslie 
regarding accrediting training?. have you talked to them? Do we need a group 
coordinating this?
Cheers Sam

Dr Sam Heard
Chairman, openEHR Foundation
From: pablo pazos
Sent: ?Thursday?, ?23? ?October? ?2014 ?4?:?57? ?PM
To: For openEHR clinical discussions
Cc: For openEHR technical discussions, For openEHR implementation discussions
Hi Sam,
I think we are coordinating this already :) IMO that's the point of having the 
wiki pages and asking colleagues to add content, proposals and comments.
I think the idea of a key note is great, and I want to collaborate in any way I 
can, but... as you an others may know, I asked several times for endorsement 
and support (not talking about money) from the foundation on the training side, 
to standardize the contents, to have a formal way of certification, and spread 
the standard, but the board went silent. I'm very pragmatic and I don't know 
why this is so difficult, for me this is treated in a very political way and 
should be something technical.
With that being said, for me, talking about training under the foundation 
banner is at least weird.
Maybe this is not a good place or time to mention this, but is how I honestly 
feel about the proposal.
I long to see the work I try to do to create awareness about the standard to be 
supported by the foundation. To be honest, the only support I got is from the 
Chilean Association of Healthcare Informatics (ACHISA) with whom I'm very 
thankful because without them I wouldn't be able to create the first online 
course 100% about openEHR in spanish and provide it to more than 140 people 
from 15 countries.

-- 
Kind regards,
Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
http://cabolabs.com

From: sam.he...@openehrfoundation.org
To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 05:48:00 +
CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at 
lists.openehr.org







Hi All
It would be good to coordinate this and try and get a full range of options 
available - clinical and technical.Clearly there are a few people who have 
already done work in South America who might want to coordinate.
I would hope that we may be able to get a key note if we are able to promote 
this idea. Perhaps a group of speakers on what they are doing with openEHR 
under the Foundation banner.
I am very interested to know who will be attending and would like to present on 
any openEHR activity. I am happy to coordinate and make this list available to 
anyone interested.
sam.heard at openehrfoundation.org
Cheers, Sam

From: Shinji KOBAYASHI
Sent: ?Wednesday?, ?22? ?October? ?2014 ?12?:?46? ?AM
To: For openEHR clinical discussions
Cc: For openEHR technical discussions, For openEHR implementation discussions
Hi Pablo, and all

Thank you for cooperation. I am working on the developers' workshop
proposal based on the last proposal to MEDINFO2013. Please modify and
add your description for your project.
The Spanish tutorial sounds muy bi

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[Dra Carola Hullin Lucay Cossio]

Dear All,
 
Just need to be carefull about endorsing, that?s all. I can say.
Just to ensure the quality of the work done internationally.
 
I see the endorsement as a commercial thing rather than a quality measure at 
this point.
This observation is based on experience with more than twenty three developing 
countries.
 
Cheers Carol
LATAM 
 
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 17:57:58 +0100
From: sauerm...@technikum-wien.at
To: pazospablo at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at 
lists.openehr.org; openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org


  

  
  
Hello!

  If you are talking about "endorsed trainers" then you VERY CLEARY
  need to define

  - what is training

  - what is a trainer

  - what is endorsed

  - how do you get endorsed.

  

  Otherwise very likely somebody will be angry, because 

  - they are not on the  list of "endorsed trainers"

  - they feel that the "endorsed trainers" are not as clever as
  themselves

  - .

  

  So: Similar to standards for software you will also need to define
  standards / guidelines for

  - the intended learning outcome

  - different levels of expertise (e.g "certified professional
  openEHR - basic level", "CP openEHR - advanced level" , ...)

  - the methods for assessment

  - methods for training

  - ..

  

  Having been through this all let me summarise

  - it seems sensible to start by defining a "basic"  skill level

  - to then define the learning outcomes of that skill level

  - to then define an exam for that skill level

  - to formally provide exams 

  

  from there on you can 

  - extend to "advanced" skill levels, and specialised skill sets

  - go on by defining / offering training, courses, trainers etc.

  

  This is no piece of cake. It will not happen in 3 weeks. Along the
  way you will need to "harmonise" the views of many individuals. We
  all know that to "harmonise" consumes substantial resources. 

  

  This draws from first hand experience on certifying personal
  skills in the fields of software testing and IT interoperability
  in healthcare, as well as from years of  teaching and building
  study programs in biomedical engineering. 

  

  

  

  Hope this helps, 

  greetings from Vienna, 

  Stefan

  

  Stefan Sauermann

Program Director
Biomedical Engineering Sciences (Master)

University of Applied Sciences Technikum Wien
Hoechstaedtplatz 5, 1200 Vienna, Austria
P: +43 1 333 40 77 - 988
M: +43 664 6192555
E: stefan.sauermann at technikum-wien.at

I: www.technikum-wien.at/mbe
I: www.technikum-wien.at/ibmt
I: www.healthy-interoperability.at
  Am 24.10.2014 19:20, schrieb pablo pazos:



  
  Thanks for your message Stefan.



I understand the organizational time does not accompanies
  the time of the community needs.



For me is very odd that in one hand the Foundation wants to
  spread the standard but in the other do not endorse anyone on
  the training side.



Educators & trainers want to spread the standard also,
  and sometimes just saying "the foundation supports us" and
  have a web page with our name as "endorsed trainers" allows us
  to access places that we can't access alone, like government
  working groups. And training people in government is a great
  way of having the standard included in call for proposals for
  projects, and that leads to the industry to catch up. Then the
  industry will need people to work in delivering tools that
  implements the standard, and that people needs training, and
  so on. We can create this virtuous circle but we need
help.



For me, training is the best way of spreading the standard
  and for the openEHR-ES community that seem to work for the
  last 4 years that I'm giving the course in spanish. And others
  follow, like the openEHR-BR community, some of them were my
  students now they have their own openEHR course in portuguese
  (awesome!).

  

  

  I'm not sure what's the formal way of putting these issues
  under the consideration of the board(s) and get any feedback
  from them.

  

  -- 

  Kind regards,

  Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez

  http://cabolabs.com

  

  
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:52:22 +0200

From: sauermann at technikum-wien.at

To

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[Bert Verhees]

On 25-10-14 13:58, Thomas Beale wrote:
> On 24/10/2014 19:17, Bert Verhees wrote:
>> OpenEHR is not a standard, it is a formal specification.
>>
>> http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm
>> ISO, What is a standard:
>>
>> "A standard is a document that provides requirements, specifications, 
>> guidelines or characteristics that can be used consistently to ensure 
>> that materials, products, processes and services are fit for their 
>> purpose."
>
> This is such a fun topic I wrote a blog post 
> 
>  
> on it :)
>
> - thomas
>
>
> ___
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> openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org
> http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org
I replied following to it:

Thomas, you write: ?They still publish documents, not computable 
artefacts, standards have no maintenance team, no issue reporting 
capability and no update release strategy.?

This not true, at least not at ECMA and ISO.

1) Example in the standard for Microsoft OOXML are XML Schema?s (XSD) 
included. So they deliver computable artefacts.

2) They do not only publish standards, but organize international 
teamsmeetings of people which create/edit the standards. A standard in a 
specific version is stable, it cannot change, it would be unusable if it 
was not stable.

3) Maintenance, ISO standards can get updated, there are even fasttracks 
, so not the complete standard has to be talked through. An update, of 
course, gets a distinguishable version/name/id.

What you write about OpenEHR doing much better as a defacto standard is 
not fully correct.

Example: I am missing some computable artefacts. For example, we have 
waited five years before the RM-XSD was published in a correct way, and 
still there are some inconveniences in it. There were errors in that 
XSD, I emailed about it years ago. Now it has been revised, but not 
fully, there are still errors I reported in 2009.
It is also not optimal. For example by using xs:sequence instead of 
xs:choice, and so enforcing a useless sequence of properties. There are 
some more issues, I do not want to discuss them now.

Also, the XSD for OET is still not published, and it is used in software 
and by developers. How long are we using templates by now? 10 years?

OpenEHR seems to be in some parts a moving target. A quality-institute 
as ISO would not allow this. There are some quality-requirements used by 
ISO. The standard is not only created by the designers (stakeholders), 
but by worldwide teams and it becomes accepted by vote of the voting 
members of ISO.

I would welcome if OpenEHR would become a standard, not only because 
many governments do not invest in non-standards, but also for the 
quality requirements standardization-bodies pose and for having 
worldwide non-stakeholding teams looking at it. I think this is important.

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[Bakke, Silje Ljosland]

I've added myself and a topic on artefact governance to the main MEDINFO2015 
wiki page. I guess this topic belongs more in a tutorial than in a developers' 
workshop.  My participation is however dependent on my employer allowing me to 
attend the conference, which isn't clear yet.

Kind regards,
Silje Ljosland Bakke
Coordinator, National Editorial Board for Archetypes, National ICT Norway
Adviser, R&D dept, E-health section, Bergen Hospital Trust
Tel. +47 40203298

> -Original Message-
> From: openEHR-technical [mailto:openehr-technical-
> bounces at lists.openehr.org] On Behalf Of Shinji KOBAYASHI
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 3:57 PM
> To: For openEHR technical discussions
> Cc: openehr implementers; openEHR Clinical
> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> 
> Dear colleagues,
> 
> I updated Wiki description about MEDINFO 2015 and made the developers'
> workshop 2015 page.
> http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015
> 
> Could you all please take a look and add comments or describe your plan?
> 
> 
> Shinji KOBAYASHI
> 
> 2014-08-05 10:22 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos :
> > Of course! I should have think of Jussara before. I'll talk with her
> > and her fellow openEHR.br colleagues to see if we can get this organized.
> >
> > BTW, just to start the coordination I would like to do a workshop
> > focused on openEHR data store and query. And if there's interest,
> > another one focused on UI: generation, manipulation, processing,
> > models, etc. (we're presenting a paper on this topic at the InfoLac
> congress, this year is in Uruguay!
> > lucky me: http://infolac2014.org/index.php/en/)
> >
> > --
> > Kind regards,
> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> > http://cabolabs.com
> >
> > ________
> > From: sam.heard at oceaninformatics.com
> > To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org;
> > openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
> > Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 08:30:32 +
> > CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
> >
> >
> > Hi Pablo
> >
> > I wonder if Jusara could organise a submeeting in an academic/industry
> > forum prior to MedInfo?
> >
> > Cheers Sam
> >
> > Sent from Windows Mail
> >
> > From: pablo pazos
> > Sent: ?Saturday?, ?2? ?August? ?2014 ?9?:?06? ?AM
> > To: For openEHR clinical discussions, For openEHR technical
> > discussions
> > Cc: For openEHR implementation discussions
> >
> > Thanks for the info Heather!
> >
> > I think we should do something similar to the previous workshops for
> > devs, something simple to get newcomers to understand how to work with
> > archetypes in software (parsing, processing, validating data,
> > extracting paths, etc), and more specific topics for skilled openEHR
> > devs (persistence options, REST APIs, querying, reporting, UI generation,
> ...).
> >
> > I would love to see a hands-on tutorial in which we can program live
> > and help newcomers to pass the first barrier in openEHR software
> development:
> > lose the fear of archetypes.
> >
> > Also I would like to know how we want to present this, should we
> > submit the proposals individualy and then organize or should we
> > coordinate and make one proposal with all the workshops/tutorials?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Kind regards,
> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> > http://cabolabs.com
> >
> > 
> > From: heather.leslie at oceaninformatics.com
> > To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org;
> > openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
> > Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 01:54:59 +
> > CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
> >
> > Hi Pablo,
> >
> >
> >
> > We have kept info on Conferences in the wiki:
> > http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/Conferences
> >
> >
> >
> > See Medinfo 2013:
> > http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2013+-
> +Copenhagen,+Denmark.
> > 2 half day sessions were held then ? one clinical modelling focussed
> > and the other technical
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> >
> > Heather
> >
> >
> >
> > From: openEHR-technical
> > [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at lists.openehr.org]
> > On Behalf Of pablo pazos
> > Sent: Friday, 1 August 2014 12:14 AM
> > To: openeh technical; openEHR Clinical
> &

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[pazospa...@hotmail.com]

Hi Ian that's an awesome piece of input we can use to epose the main issues 
we're havong and maybe delineate actions that can be taken, considering the 
constraints you mentioned.
For me Evelyn and Heather are key people in matters of education, and also the 
BR-PT community, and some others interested in training.
I'll put together all off this, send it to the key people for consideration. 
Fix the proposals with feedback, share it with the community and try to define 
a clear guideline we all van follow in terms of what we do and how in terms of 
training. IMO we can't have a formal way of certification before having 
compatible and interoperable training materials, modules, evaluations, ...
Cheers,Pablo Pazoswww.CaboLabs.com


Hi Pablo,

Firstly, I will be at MEDinfo2015 and would definitely hope to contribute
some of the very interesting stuff emerging from HANDI-HOPD.

I do recall our conversation about training and accreditation. Although I
am on the Board, my response here is personal, not official!

What you are suggesting is a very good idea, and was discussed further at
the Oslo meeting. We know that a number of organisations around the world
are now running openEHR related training, we know that trainees frequently
ask for accreditation and trainers also see benefits in being able to claim
they are 'openEHR accredited'. So if the Board was asked, "is this a good
idea", I am sure you would get a positive answer.

However a whole number of questions follow ...

Is the organisation accredited or the course accredited?
Who decides the criteria for accreditation of a course?
Does every small variant of a course need accredited?
Who checks the course content? In multiple languages?
What are the rules of withdrawing accreditation?
Who pays for all of the above?
How do we ensure that anything that is decided is fair to both existing
trainers and to new entrants and how do we ensure that this system is seen
to be fair and transparent and not open to abuse.

I am sure there are many more questions, and, of course there are
solutions. Other organisations have faced similar problems and come up with
answers that we can almost certainly use or adapt.

So, it is doable, but who does it? Who puts in the work and effort to
consult with current training organisations, speak to the broader
membership, also other organisations what they do etc, etc? Who comes up
with a final proposal to submit to the Board that if seen to be fair and
sensible will almost cvertainly by 'rubber-stamped'.

In my view the only people who can do this are those of us who have a
commercial or academic interest in training. It is in our interest to have
accrediation working - it is something demanded by our customers, and in
our commercial interest. We are the ones with the knowledge of what it
takes to be a good openEHR course, the ones who stand to lose if the
proposals are done favour a competitor, and the only ones who can give up
some of our IP, if the idea is to share some 'standard' resources.

The Board simply has no capacity to do the ground work here, and in any
case that would be inappropriate. Their job is to ratify (or not) a set of
proposals coming from the training industry, in exactly the same way that
the System Accreditation proposals will have to come from System developers
like yourself.

I believe that Heather Leslie and Evelyn Hovenga have been working on some
ideas in this area - it might be worth contacting them to see if this could
be the nexus of a 'Training Partners Group'.

I am having a similar conversation elsewhere about Localisation. There have
been private conversations about localisation and Koray posted a very
detailed proposal but that is not enough, there needs to be input from
other localisation groups so that openEHR can come up with a minimum but
clear set of criteria for localisation. That takes work and discussion with
the various parties around the world who have an interest in this area, but
it does have to member-led.

In the coming months, the interim Board will be replaced by an Elected
Board (everyone who wants to vote or be nominated should sign up at
members.openehr.org) but even then, the level of funding and personal
resource that will available, will require Foundation resources to be
concentrated on core communications and 'marketing' of openEHR.

As I say just my view. Others may feel that openEHR should have much more
central power and resource to drive these important and necessary efforts
but they will then have to figure out how it gets funded.

I will leave my thoughts on Standards to a different post but remember that
there was a major effort led by David and Sam to have openEHR become part
of IHTSDO. This went a long way but was ultimately rejected byt the IHTSDO
board. I suspect that will not be the end of the story.

Ian
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[Bert Verhees]

On 25-10-14 13:58, Thomas Beale wrote:
> On 24/10/2014 19:17, Bert Verhees wrote:
>> OpenEHR is not a standard, it is a formal specification.
>>
>> http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm
>> ISO, What is a standard:
>>
>> "A standard is a document that provides requirements, specifications, 
>> guidelines or characteristics that can be used consistently to ensure 
>> that materials, products, processes and services are fit for their 
>> purpose."
>
> This is such a fun topic I wrote a blog post 
> 
>  
> on it :)
>
> - thomas
>
>
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> http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org
I commented to it:

I agree Thomas, it is a fun topic, with billions of dollars involved, 
not quite so funny for who is paying them. You and me, the taxpayers.
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[Thomas Beale]

On 25/10/2014 13:18, Bert Verhees wrote:
> On 25-10-14 13:58, Thomas Beale wrote:
>>
> I commented to it:
>
> I agree Thomas, it is a fun topic, with billions of dollars involved, 
> not quite so funny for who is paying them. You and me, the taxpayers.

oh the wastage is a crime, and it should be punishable. The austerity 
obsessed government here in the UK is causing great pain to people here 
due to cut-backs in the NHS, in the low ?bn range. And yet it was 
apparently acceptable to spend over ?8bn on what I guess is a few 
hundred million ? worth of IT (most being replaced as we speak anyway). 
I would like to hear those responsible defend their actions to the 
current generation of affected patients, and the overworked health carers...

We can only try to do better in the future, and that means creating high 
quality, economically cheap technology. We're not very efficient yet in 
doing this in openEHR, but we can improve and I see uptake accelerating, 
which is good. As always, it's down to us - how we self-organise and 
work together.

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[Thomas Beale]

Unfortunately neither of you were at the recent Oslo meeting (don't 
worry, there will be more), but the same sentiments about needing better 
learning materials were expressed by most people who are not already 
seasoned openEHR developers. So we know we need to work on this, and 
various people have offered to do this. It will take a combination of 
people who 'know stuff' and people who are learning to put together 
materials that work for newcomers. I hope you both contribute.

One big enabling step that is finally about to happen is to move to a 
new server, where we can easily run multiple sites i.e. subdomains under 
openEHR.org. So we'll be able to set up some technical spaces for people 
to work on just those learning materials. The main requirement of course 
is still people power.

With respect to making governments use openEHR, that's a hard one to 
solve because there is broken thinking in two places: official SDOs that 
publish paper, with no active maintenance or update, and governments 
that think 'official standards' are the only things to use. Almost 
invariably, official standards in health (and general) IT (with the 
exception of standards that were already /de facto/ before becoming /de 
jure/) are the /worst/ place to start. Some governments have smarter 
people though, and realise this. The ones that don't will waste 
(sometimes epic amounts of) taxpayers' money.

In many places, this unholy SDO/government communion actively damages 
hopes for quality e-health solutions in the future. Government 
departments or bodies that are wilfully blind make it very hard, since 
they can't be reasoned with. It's like reasoning with any other 
ideologue: you can't. The only solutions I know of are a) keep making 
noise about the de facto standardisation work on the ground and b) wait 
for the next election ;-)

- thomas

On 25/10/2014 09:41, Bert Verhees wrote:
> On 25-10-14 05:21, pablo pazos wrote:
>>
>> Bottom line, I just see a gap between the foundation and the 
>> community, and that gap gets bigger because of language and 
>> geografical differences. That's why I created the openEHR course in 
>> spanish and the ES community. My proposal is just a "help me help 
>> you" situation.
>>
>>
>> Working towards medinfo, I hope we can join ours efforts in creating 
>> awareness, but it is not clear for me if we should organize community 
>> stuff separated from the foundation stuff or if we can narrow the gap.
>>
> I know you are doing a great job. I often see your promotion for 
> course in Spanish, on LinkedIn, on Google Plus (maybe). I forgot 
> where, but I see it a few times a week.
> That is really a good thing.
>
> And it is necessary. The specs are bad learning material, there are 
> also not meant for that.
>
> I remember, ten years ago, sitting at the swimming pool with my little 
> children, reading OpenEHR-specs. They were hard to read because of 
> their formal language.
> It is no material for learning. In learning people things, you need to 
> come with examples, with stories, let the Reference Models and other 
> specs live for people, make it fun to read.
>
> Anyway, I came through, I did my best, and it was rewarded. But many 
> people are not able to do that, because they do not have the freedom 
> to spend 50 hours or so on something which is not required to learn. 
> And reading the OpenEHR specs as a hobby in free time, that is asked 
> too much for most of humanity.
>
> I am an independent developer, almost twenty years now. I choose 
> myself how to spend my time, and a lot of time is used because I make 
> choices which seem irrelevant. But I don't mind. I try to have a 
> Buddhist view on it. It are all steps to greater wisdom. I am a lucky 
> bastard.
> "The master moves from program to program without fear. No failure can 
> harm him. Why is this? He is filled with Tao."
>
> But for the other people, young people, needing to study for their 
> masters, old managers, need to understand for their decisions, 
> politicians, relying on ISO, all these people need easy entrance to 
> knowledge. You try to get it of the ground. You should not only do it 
> in Spanish, but also in English.
> I think you have a good business-case when OpenEHR as an formal 
> definition tries to get more status.
> But you have a bad business-case if it fails on the market. It is not 
> only in your hands.
>
> You can comfort yourself with the thought that nothing in life will be 
> done in vain. In everything is a lesson. With the lessons you have 
> learned, you later can pick up something else.
>
> But besides that, I hope the communities and foundation will support 
> you, because it is important work that you do, for us all. If we want 
> something to be a success, we have to reach the hearts and minds.
>
> Have a nice day
> Bert
>
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[Adrian V Stokes]

Andrew Tanenbaum:  "The advantage of standards is that there are so many 
to choose from"


(Dr) Adrian V Stokes OBE
97 Millway, Mill Hill, LONDON, NW7 3JL

On 25/10/2014 12:58, Thomas Beale wrote:
> On 24/10/2014 19:17, Bert Verhees wrote:
>> OpenEHR is not a standard, it is a formal specification.
>>
>> http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm
>> ISO, What is a standard:
>>
>> "A standard is a document that provides requirements, specifications, 
>> guidelines or characteristics that can be used consistently to ensure 
>> that materials, products, processes and services are fit for their 
>> purpose."
>
> This is such a fun topic I wrote a blog post 
> 
>  
> on it :)
>
> - thomas
>
>
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On 24/10/2014 19:17, Bert Verhees wrote:
> OpenEHR is not a standard, it is a formal specification.
>
> http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm
> ISO, What is a standard:
>
> "A standard is a document that provides requirements, specifications, 
> guidelines or characteristics that can be used consistently to ensure 
> that materials, products, processes and services are fit for their 
> purpose."

This is such a fun topic I wrote a blog post 

 
on it :)

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Hi Pablo,

Firstly, I will be at MEDinfo2015 and would definitely hope to contribute
some of the very interesting stuff emerging from HANDI-HOPD.

I do recall our conversation about training and accreditation. Although I
am on the Board, my response here is personal, not official!

What you are suggesting is a very good idea, and was discussed further at
the Oslo meeting. We know that a number of organisations around the world
are now running openEHR related training, we know that trainees frequently
ask for accreditation and trainers also see benefits in being able to claim
they are 'openEHR accredited'. So if the Board was asked, "is this a good
idea", I am sure you would get a positive answer.

However a whole number of questions follow ...

Is the organisation accredited or the course accredited?
Who decides the criteria for accreditation of a course?
Does every small variant of a course need accredited?
Who checks the course content? In multiple languages?
What are the rules of withdrawing accreditation?
Who pays for all of the above?
How do we ensure that anything that is decided is fair to both existing
trainers and to new entrants and how do we ensure that this system is seen
to be fair and transparent and not open to abuse.

I am sure there are many more questions, and, of course there are
solutions. Other organisations have faced similar problems and come up with
answers that we can almost certainly use or adapt.

So, it is doable, but who does it? Who puts in the work and effort to
consult with current training organisations, speak to the broader
membership, also other organisations what they do etc, etc? Who comes up
with a final proposal to submit to the Board that if seen to be fair and
sensible will almost cvertainly by 'rubber-stamped'.

In my view the only people who can do this are those of us who have a
commercial or academic interest in training. It is in our interest to have
accrediation working - it is something demanded by our customers, and in
our commercial interest. We are the ones with the knowledge of what it
takes to be a good openEHR course, the ones who stand to lose if the
proposals are done favour a competitor, and the only ones who can give up
some of our IP, if the idea is to share some 'standard' resources.

The Board simply has no capacity to do the ground work here, and in any
case that would be inappropriate. Their job is to ratify (or not) a set of
proposals coming from the training industry, in exactly the same way that
the System Accreditation proposals will have to come from System developers
like yourself.

I believe that Heather Leslie and Evelyn Hovenga have been working on some
ideas in this area - it might be worth contacting them to see if this could
be the nexus of a 'Training Partners Group'.

I am having a similar conversation elsewhere about Localisation. There have
been private conversations about localisation and Koray posted a very
detailed proposal but that is not enough, there needs to be input from
other localisation groups so that openEHR can come up with a minimum but
clear set of criteria for localisation. That takes work and discussion with
the various parties around the world who have an interest in this area, but
it does have to member-led.

In the coming months, the interim Board will be replaced by an Elected
Board (everyone who wants to vote or be nominated should sign up at
members.openehr.org) but even then, the level of funding and personal
resource that will available, will require Foundation resources to be
concentrated on core communications and 'marketing' of openEHR.

As I say just my view. Others may feel that openEHR should have much more
central power and resource to drive these important and necessary efforts
but they will then have to figure out how it gets funded.

I will leave my thoughts on Standards to a different post but remember that
there was a major effort led by David and Sam to have openEHR become part
of IHTSDO. This went a long way but was ultimately rejected byt the IHTSDO
board. I suspect that will not be the end of the story.

Ian
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[Bert Verhees]

On 25-10-14 05:21, pablo pazos wrote:
>
> Bottom line, I just see a gap between the foundation and the 
> community, and that gap gets bigger because of language and 
> geografical differences. That's why I created the openEHR course in 
> spanish and the ES community. My proposal is just a "help me help you" 
> situation.
>
>
> Working towards medinfo, I hope we can join ours efforts in creating 
> awareness, but it is not clear for me if we should organize community 
> stuff separated from the foundation stuff or if we can narrow the gap.
>
I know you are doing a great job. I often see your promotion for course 
in Spanish, on LinkedIn, on Google Plus (maybe). I forgot where, but I 
see it a few times a week.
That is really a good thing.

And it is necessary. The specs are bad learning material, there are also 
not meant for that.

I remember, ten years ago, sitting at the swimming pool with my little 
children, reading OpenEHR-specs. They were hard to read because of their 
formal language.
It is no material for learning. In learning people things, you need to 
come with examples, with stories, let the Reference Models and other 
specs live for people, make it fun to read.

Anyway, I came through, I did my best, and it was rewarded. But many 
people are not able to do that, because they do not have the freedom to 
spend 50 hours or so on something which is not required to learn. And 
reading the OpenEHR specs as a hobby in free time, that is asked too 
much for most of humanity.

I am an independent developer, almost twenty years now. I choose myself 
how to spend my time, and a lot of time is used because I make choices 
which seem irrelevant. But I don't mind. I try to have a Buddhist view 
on it. It are all steps to greater wisdom. I am a lucky bastard.
"The master moves from program to program without fear. No failure can 
harm him. Why is this? He is filled with Tao."

But for the other people, young people, needing to study for their 
masters, old managers, need to understand for their decisions, 
politicians, relying on ISO, all these people need easy entrance to 
knowledge. You try to get it of the ground. You should not only do it in 
Spanish, but also in English.
I think you have a good business-case when OpenEHR as an formal 
definition tries to get more status.
But you have a bad business-case if it fails on the market. It is not 
only in your hands.

You can comfort yourself with the thought that nothing in life will be 
done in vain. In everything is a lesson. With the lessons you have 
learned, you later can pick up something else.

But besides that, I hope the communities and foundation will support 
you, because it is important work that you do, for us all. If we want 
something to be a success, we have to reach the hearts and minds.

Have a nice day
Bert

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[Bert Verhees]

On 25-10-14 02:54, Shinji KOBAYASHI wrote:
> To Bert,
> Thank you for proof-reading. English is too difficult for me,
> Japanese. My understanding is openEHR specs are oriented to base of
> the standards. Could you let me know the better phrase?
Only strong men can admit their weaknesses. So this is a compliment for you.
My English is not very good also, but I come from a language related to 
English, while you come from a completely other part of the languages-world.
--

OpenEHR specs are based on standards, that is right, in fact everything 
in ICT is, but OpenEHR introduces new artifacts and reference models, 
which should be standardized or be in a process to standardization, 
which already poses some requirements regarding to documentation and 
formal definition.

For example, you can express an OpenEHR dataset in XML, en XML is  a 
standard, but the OpenEHR Reference Model is not.
This in opposite to ISO13606 or some HL7 Reference Models, they are also 
ISO standard.

So, to be accepted by an organization that requires standards, it is not 
enough to use XML, but also you should use an XML-Schema/Reference Model 
which is standardized.

Just for illustration:
I remember when ODF (OpenOffice Reference model) became an ISO-standard, 
governments all over Europe planned to switch to OpenOffice because they 
want to work on standards. Microsoft hurried and put in a lot of money 
to get their Office reference Model (OOXML) standardized. It was the 
fist time Microsoft ever was required to standardize something. We saw 
many new countries becoming voting member of ISO, like Malta and Sierra 
Leone, countries with no expertise or experience at all. The whole 
ISO-process regarding this was a farce. You should read about it for 
having a good laugh.
The only reason was because the competition (OpenOffice) had done that.
Since that moment, since the very fast ISO-process which took less then 
a year, government could safely choose for Microsoft again, back to the 
Microsoft Office environment.

Same counts for medical Reference Models, many governments choose HL7, 
only because it is an ISO standard, and only for that reason.
ISO makes it possible for politician which decide about things they 
don't understand (most of them have to) to distinguish quality in a safe 
way.

Bert.

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[Shinji KOBAYASHI]

Hi,

What I should offense to is health threating entities/events. I
believe we have wisdom enough to fight against them.
And then, it would be more constructive that we think about what we
can do for healthcare and our community rather than what our community
do for us.
Having workshop and tutorials would be good contribution and make
something happen to outreach.

To Pablo and Latin Americans,
I always respect your contributions and am much interested in your
woks. I am looking forward to meeting you and sharing passion with us.

To Bert,
Thank you for proof-reading. English is too difficult for me,
Japanese. My understanding is openEHR specs are oriented to base of
the standards. Could you let me know the better phrase?

Regards,
Shinji KOBAYASHI


2014-10-25 8:51 GMT+09:00 Bert Verhees :
> In Europe, politicians are afraid to make errors, they are not able to judge
> if a specification has a high quality. So they go for standards. This is in
> many countries like this.
>
> That is why HL7 always try to standardize their efforts, and the higher the
> better. In Europe you go first to your national body, then to the European
> body, then to ISO.
>
> Alternatives with a little bit less status are Oasis, W3, OMG, and also from
> there you can go to ISO.
>
> I have never heard that OpenEhr tried to become a standard. In these ten
> years, they never did, or they did it in silence, or I just missed it, was
> on holiday when the announcement was done.
>
> But if I am right, then is that a reason why it will never become important
> on government-level in the Netherlands. And in many other countries this is
> the same.
>
> No politician in the Netherlands wil ever invest millions in a specification
> which did not made it to ISO. That is why the Netherlands invested 500
> millions Euro in a HL7v3 standard. Because it is an ISO standard, or it was
> in the traject to become one. Really, 500 millions Euro, half a billion
> Euro. Just for a message system for the Netherlands, based on HL7v3. And the
> laugh, it failed.
>
> But that doesn't matter, the politicians are safe, they favored ISO
> standards. The companies are safe, they got their money, got well paid, and
> did what they were asked for. No one ever got fired for choosing an ISO
> standard.
>
> Why did it fail? Ten years they had spent 50 million Euro, every year. It is
> a long story, but I can summarize it in a few words. I think they did not
> want to succeed. They failed for political reasons, they did not want to do
> concessions with the majority in parliament. So the parliament blew it off.
> They had chosen to fail.
>
> It would be good for the OpenEhr developing companies if a OpenEhr did more
> to be acceptable for governments.
>
> Bert
>
>
>
>
> Op vrijdag 24 oktober 2014 heeft Dra Carola Hullin Lucay Cossio
>  het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Please take this observation as a help DISCUSSION rather a critic: but the
>> standards difinition is not an awareness issues, instead is a GAP between
>> contexts.
>> In Latino America and Caribe, there is minimal understanding of what a
>> standard isas displayed on Pablo?s answer, so the real use of openEHR
>> never is achieved because of this gap.
>>
>> I was last week in INFOLAC2014 ,where the goverment of Uruguay and several
>> local authorities discussed about standards but the issue was a different
>> one. So, I believe that OpenEHR as foundation and its initial team of
>> founders of this conceptual and technical framework should lead the training
>> contents and validity that developing countries are using.
>>
>> I was surprise that Uruguay invested 4 million dollars and the concept of
>> openEHR was missing: lost of investment again.
>>
>> http://www.agesic.gub.uy/innovaportal/file/1443/1/agesic_agendadigital_2011_2015.pdf
>>
>>
>> Hope this contextual information help to get a good quality training
>> package from the foundation so then it can be shared around the world.
>>
>> Cheers Carol
>> (LATAM)
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: pazospablo at hotmail.com
>> To: bert.verhees at rosa.nl; openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
>> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
>> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:23:40 +
>>
>> Bert, I'm aware of the definition and I use terms in a very specific way,
>> I said standard because  that definition fits what openEHR is.
>>
>>
>> Anyway, we are not discussing definitions but a much broader subject: the
>> board being silent in front on community efforts that need them.
>>
>>
>> Pablo Pazos
>>
>>

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[Dra Carola Hullin Lucay Cossio]

Dear All,
Please take this observation as a help DISCUSSION rather a critic: but the 
standards difinition is not an awareness issues, instead is a GAP between 
contexts.In Latino America and Caribe, there is minimal understanding of what a 
standard isas displayed on Pablo?s answer, so the real use of openEHR never 
is achieved because of this gap.
I was last week in INFOLAC2014 ,where the goverment of Uruguay and several 
local authorities discussed about standards but the issue was a different one. 
So, I believe that OpenEHR as foundation and its initial team of founders of 
this conceptual and technical framework should lead the training contents and 
validity that developing countries are using.
I was surprise that Uruguay invested 4 million dollars and the concept of 
openEHR was missing: lost of investment 
again.http://www.agesic.gub.uy/innovaportal/file/1443/1/agesic_agendadigital_2011_2015.pdf

Hope this contextual information help to get a good quality training package 
from the foundation so then it can be shared around the world.
Cheers Carol(LATAM)


From: pazospa...@hotmail.com
To: bert.verhees at rosa.nl; openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:23:40 +







Bert, I'm aware of the definition and I use terms in a very specific way, I 
said standard because  that definition fits what openEHR is. 



Anyway, we are not discussing definitions but a much broader subject: the board 
being silent in front on community efforts that need them.




Pablo Pazos

www.CaboLabs.com

-- Original message--
From: Bert Verhees
Date: Fri, Oct 24, 2014 4:17 PM
To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org;
Subject:Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

OpenEHR is not a standard, it is a formal specification.



http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm

ISO, What is a standard: 



"A standard is a document that provides requirements, specifications, 
guidelines or characteristics that can be used consistently to ensure that 
materials, products, processes and services are fit for their purpose."



On 24-10-14 19:20, pablo pazos wrote:



Thanks for your message Stefan.



I understand the organizational time does not accompanies the time of the 
community needs.



For me is very odd that in one hand the Foundation wants to spread the standard 
but in the other do not endorse anyone on the training side.



Educators & trainers want to spread the standard also, and sometimes just 
saying "the foundation supports us" and have a web page with our name as 
"endorsed trainers" allows us to access places that we can't access alone, like 
government working groups.
 And training people in government is a great way of having the standard 
included in call for proposals for projects, and that leads to the industry to 
catch up. Then the industry will need people to work in delivering tools that 
implements the standard, and
 that people needs training, and so on. We can create this virtuous circle but 
we need help.



For me, training is the best way of spreading the standard and for the 
openEHR-ES community that seem to work for the last 4 years that I'm giving the 
course in spanish. And others follow, like the openEHR-BR community, some of 
them were my students now
 they have their own openEHR course in portuguese (awesome!).





I'm not sure what's the formal way of putting these issues under the 
consideration of the board(s) and get any feedback from them.



-- 

Kind regards,

Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez

http://cabolabs.com





Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:52:22 +0200

From: 
sauermann at technikum-wien.at

To: 
openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org

CC: pazospablo at hotmail.com;

openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; 
openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org

Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials



Dear Pablo!

Within IHE wee seem to have a similar situation, "educators" working along 
providing training, trying to expain to the "institutional layer", asking the 
institution to take formal measures, so that training and probably even exams 
and certification are harmonised
 across subgroups and regions. Over the years something has sunk in, and we may 
see an IHE "Education" group sometime soon. This however took some years until 
both educators and "institutional layers" knew why and how they might benefit 
from each other.


In that way I can understand your experience

So: There seems to be independent multi-site evidence that "education" is a 
"political" issue.




This may help or not, let us all keep the spirit high!

Greetings from Vienna, 

Stefan

Stefan Sauermann

Program Director
Biomedical Engineering Sciences (Master)

University of Applied Sciences Technikum Wien
Hoechstaedtplatz 5, 1200 Vienna, Austria
P: +43 1 333 40 77 - 988
M: +43 664 6192555
E: stefan.sauermann at technikum-wie

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[pazospa...@hotmail.com]

Hi Shinji,
I'm all to collanorayion and adding value.
Abouy the specific topic for the conference, I'm focusing one proposal on 
openEHR databases, a problem every developer do focus on when they start to 
work with openEHR. Because the organization is lookinh for tutorials in spanish 
the tutorial will be offered in spanish.I'll update yhe wili soon and start 
doing social communication to get more people involved.
Cheers,Pablo Pazoswww.CaboLabs.com


Hi,

What I should offense to is health threating entities/events. I
believe we have wisdom enough to fight against them.
And then, it would be more constructive that we think about what we
can do for healthcare and our community rather than what our community
do for us.
Having workshop and tutorials would be good contribution and make
something happen to outreach.

To Pablo and Latin Americans,
I always respect your contributions and am much interested in your
woks. I am looking forward to meeting you and sharing passion with us.

To Bert,
Thank you for proof-reading. English is too difficult for me,
Japanese. My understanding is openEHR specs are oriented to base of
the standards. Could you let me know the better phrase?

Regards,
Shinji KOBAYASHI


2014-10-25 8:51 GMT+09:00 Bert Verhees :
> In Europe, politicians are afraid to make errors, they are not able to judge
> if a specification has a high quality. So they go for standards. This is in
> many countries like this.
>
> That is why HL7 always try to standardize their efforts, and the higher the
> better. In Europe you go first to your national body, then to the European
> body, then to ISO.
>
> Alternatives with a little bit less status are Oasis, W3, OMG, and also from
> there you can go to ISO.
>
> I have never heard that OpenEhr tried to become a standard. In these ten
> years, they never did, or they did it in silence, or I just missed it, was
> on holiday when the announcement was done.
>
> But if I am right, then is that a reason why it will never become important
> on government-level in the Netherlands. And in many other countries this is
> the same.
>
> No politician in the Netherlands wil ever invest millions in a specification
> which did not made it to ISO. That is why the Netherlands invested 500
> millions Euro in a HL7v3 standard. Because it is an ISO standard, or it was
> in the traject to become one. Really, 500 millions Euro, half a billion
> Euro. Just for a message system for the Netherlands, based on HL7v3. And the
> laugh, it failed.
>
> But that doesn't matter, the politicians are safe, they favored ISO
> standards. The companies are safe, they got their money, got well paid, and
> did what they were asked for. No one ever got fired for choosing an ISO
> standard.
>
> Why did it fail? Ten years they had spent 50 million Euro, every year. It is
> a long story, but I can summarize it in a few words. I think they did not
> want to succeed. They failed for political reasons, they did not want to do
> concessions with the majority in parliament. So the parliament blew it off.
> They had chosen to fail.
>
> It would be good for the OpenEhr developing companies if a OpenEhr did more
> to be acceptable for governments.
>
> Bert
>
>
>
>
> Op vrijdag 24 oktober 2014 heeft Dra Carola Hullin Lucay Cossio
>  het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Please take this observation as a help DISCUSSION rather a critic: but the
>> standards difinition is not an awareness issues, instead is a GAP between
>> contexts.
>> In Latino America and Caribe, there is minimal understanding of what a
>> standard isas displayed on Pablo?s answer, so the real use of openEHR
>> never is achieved because of this gap.
>>
>> I was last week in INFOLAC2014 ,where the goverment of Uruguay and several
>> local authorities discussed about standards but the issue was a different
>> one. So, I believe that OpenEHR as foundation and its initial team of
>> founders of this conceptual and technical framework should lead the training
>> contents and validity that developing countries are using.
>>
>> I was surprise that Uruguay invested 4 million dollars and the concept of
>> openEHR was missing: lost of investment again.
>>
>> http://www.agesic.gub.uy/innovaportal/file/1443/1/agesic_agendadigital_2011_2015.pdf
>>
>>
>> Hope this contextual information help to get a good quality training
>> package from the foundation so then it can be shared around the world.
>>
>> Cheers Carol
>> (LATAM)
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: pazospablo at hotmail.com
>> To: bert.verhees at rosa.nl; openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
>> Subject:

MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

[pablo pazos]

Hi Bert, that is my idea. In fact I'm putting together a small document 
with bullet points of what we discussed about the training space since 2012, 
and try to ask if the board should or can be involved in this, why is not 
already involved, if there are any plans to do it and of course if I can be of 
help.
I don't think the problem is money (but maybe I'm also afraid to ask), but IMO 
is more action fron the board to give us a little push with support (also no 
talking about money). I'm also afraid to ask if the lack of endorsement and 
support is something political, maybe with me working at the MoH, WHO etc. and 
saying the same things might hace a different effect. I really don't know and I 
hope we are still a meritocracy.
Bottom line, I just see a gap between the foundation and the community, and 
that gap gets bigger because of language and geografical differences. That's 
why I created the openEHR course in spanish and the ES community. My proposal 
is just a "help me help you" situation.
Working towards medinfo, I hope we can join ours efforts in creating awareness, 
but it is not clear for me if we should organize community stuff separated from 
the foundation stuff or if we can narrow the gap.
Kind regards,Pablo.
Pablo Pazoswww.CaboLabs.com


Op vrijdag 24 oktober 2014 heeft pazospablo at hotmail.com <
pazospablo at hotmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

>  Bert, I'm aware of the definition and I use terms in a very specific
> way, I said standard because  that definition fits what openEHR is.
>
>
I don't think so. And I think there can be reasons why OpenEhr does not try
to becomes a standard.


>
>

>  Anyway, we are not discussing definitions but a much broader subject:
> the board being silent in front on community efforts that need them.
>

You are right, you just used the word standard a few times, and that is not
what it is. That is one reason why I said it, not for discussion.

I agree that there could be done more and could have been done more. It
(the board) could try to apply for standardization, could work for it,
towards it, It could put more effort in education, it could better document
artifacts which are widely used.

I think it is possible that things have to do with each other. That is why
I responded to the word standard.

The board doesn't do these things. It wonders you. In your message, you
indicate that possible they are not aware of what you complain about.

You'll find the names of the members of the board on the website, I think.
You can email them and ask. I hope you tell us what they tell you. Maybe it
is just money. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

Good luck
Bert Verhees.


>  Pablo Pazos
>
> www.CaboLabs.com
>
> -- Original message--
>
> *From: *Bert Verhees
>
> *Date: *Fri, Oct 24, 2014 4:17 PM
>
> *To: *openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
> ;
>
> *Subject:*Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
>  OpenEHR is not a standard, it is a formal specification.
>
> http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm
> ISO, What is a standard:
>
> "A standard is a document that provides requirements, specifications,
> guidelines or characteristics that can be used consistently to ensure that
> materials, products, processes and services are fit for their purpose."
>
> On 24-10-14 19:20, pablo pazos wrote:
>
> Thanks for your message Stefan.
>
>  I understand the organizational time does not accompanies the time of
> the community needs.
>
>  For me is very odd that in one hand the Foundation wants to spread the
> standard but in the other do not endorse anyone on the training side.
>
>  Educators & trainers want to spread the standard also, and sometimes
> just saying "the foundation supports us" and have a web page with our name
> as "endorsed trainers" allows us to access places that we can't access
> alone, like government working groups. And training people in government is
> a great way of having the standard included in call for proposals for
> projects, and that leads to the industry to catch up. Then the industry
> will need people to work in delivering tools that implements the standard,
> and that people needs training, and so on. *We can create this virtuous
> circle but we need help.*
>
>  For me, training is the best way of spreading the standard and for the
> openEHR-ES community that seem to work for the last 4 years that I'm giving
> the course in spanish. And others follow, like the openEHR-BR community,
> some of them were my students now they have their own openEHR course in
> portuguese (awesome!).
>
>
> I'm not sure what's the formal way of putting these issues under the
> consideration of the board(s) and get any feedback fro

MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

[Bert Verhees]

In Europe, politicians are afraid to make errors, they are not able to
judge if a specification has a high quality. So they go for standards. This
is in many countries like this.

That is why HL7 always try to standardize their efforts, and the higher the
better. In Europe you go first to your national body, then to the European
body, then to ISO.

Alternatives with a little bit less status are Oasis, W3, OMG, and also
from there you can go to ISO.

I have never heard that OpenEhr tried to become a standard. In these ten
years, they never did, or they did it in silence, or I just missed it, was
on holiday when the announcement was done.

But if I am right, then is that a reason why it will never become important
on government-level in the Netherlands. And in many other countries this is
the same.

No politician in the Netherlands wil ever invest millions in a
specification which did not made it to ISO. That is why the Netherlands
invested 500 millions Euro in a HL7v3 standard. Because it is an ISO
standard, or it was in the traject to become one. Really, 500 millions
Euro, half a billion Euro. Just for a message system for the Netherlands,
based on HL7v3. And the laugh, it failed.

But that doesn't matter, the politicians are safe, they favored ISO
standards. The companies are safe, they got their money, got well paid, and
did what they were asked for. No one ever got fired for choosing an ISO
standard.

Why did it fail? Ten years they had spent 50 million Euro, every year. It
is a long story, but I can summarize it in a few words. I think they did
not want to succeed. They failed for political reasons, they did not want
to do concessions with the majority in parliament. So the parliament blew
it off. They had chosen to fail.

It would be good for the OpenEhr developing companies if a OpenEhr did more
to be acceptable for governments.

Bert




Op vrijdag 24 oktober 2014 heeft Dra Carola Hullin Lucay Cossio <
carolhullin at hotmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

> Dear All,
>
> Please take this observation as a help DISCUSSION rather a critic: but the
> standards difinition is not an awareness issues, instead is a GAP between
> contexts.
> In Latino America and Caribe, there is minimal understanding of what a
> standard isas displayed on Pablo?s answer, so the real use of openEHR
> never is achieved because of this gap.
>
> I was last week in INFOLAC2014 ,where the goverment of Uruguay and several
> local authorities discussed about standards but the issue was a different
> one. So, I believe that OpenEHR as foundation and its initial team of
> founders of this conceptual and technical framework should lead the
> training contents and validity that developing countries are using.
>
> I was surprise that Uruguay invested 4 million dollars and the concept of
> openEHR was missing: lost of investment again.
>
> http://www.agesic.gub.uy/innovaportal/file/1443/1/agesic_agendadigital_2011_2015.pdf
>
>
> Hope this contextual information help to get a good quality training
> package from the foundation so then it can be shared around the world.
>
> Cheers Carol
> (LATAM)
>
>
>
> --
> From: pazospablo at hotmail.com
> 
> To: bert.verhees at rosa.nl
> ;
> openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
> 
> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:23:40 +
>
>  Bert, I'm aware of the definition and I use terms in a very specific
> way, I said standard because  that definition fits what openEHR is.
>
>
>  Anyway, we are not discussing definitions but a much broader subject:
> the board being silent in front on community efforts that need them.
>
>
>  Pablo Pazos
>
> www.CaboLabs.com
>
> -- Original message--
>
> *From: *Bert Verhees
>
> *Date: *Fri, Oct 24, 2014 4:17 PM
>
> *To: *openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
> ;
>
> *Subject:*Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
>  OpenEHR is not a standard, it is a formal specification.
>
> http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm
> ISO, What is a standard:
>
> "A standard is a document that provides requirements, specifications,
> guidelines or characteristics that can be used consistently to ensure that
> materials, products, processes and services are fit for their purpose."
>
> On 24-10-14 19:20, pablo pazos wrote:
>
> Thanks for your message Stefan.
>
>  I understand the organizational time does not accompanies the time of
> the community needs.
>
>  For me is very odd that in one hand the Foundation wants to spread the
> standard but in the other do not endorse anyone on the training side.
>
>  Educators & trainers want to spread the standard also, and sometimes
> just saying "the foundation supports us" and have a web p

MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

[Bert Verhees]

Op vrijdag 24 oktober 2014 heeft pazospablo at hotmail.com <
pazospablo at hotmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

>  Bert, I'm aware of the definition and I use terms in a very specific
> way, I said standard because  that definition fits what openEHR is.
>
>
I don't think so. And I think there can be reasons why OpenEhr does not try
to becomes a standard.


>
>

>  Anyway, we are not discussing definitions but a much broader subject:
> the board being silent in front on community efforts that need them.
>

You are right, you just used the word standard a few times, and that is not
what it is. That is one reason why I said it, not for discussion.

I agree that there could be done more and could have been done more. It
(the board) could try to apply for standardization, could work for it,
towards it, It could put more effort in education, it could better document
artifacts which are widely used.

I think it is possible that things have to do with each other. That is why
I responded to the word standard.

The board doesn't do these things. It wonders you. In your message, you
indicate that possible they are not aware of what you complain about.

You'll find the names of the members of the board on the website, I think.
You can email them and ask. I hope you tell us what they tell you. Maybe it
is just money. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

Good luck
Bert Verhees.


>  Pablo Pazos
>
> www.CaboLabs.com
>
> -- Original message--
>
> *From: *Bert Verhees
>
> *Date: *Fri, Oct 24, 2014 4:17 PM
>
> *To: *openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
> ;
>
> *Subject:*Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
>  OpenEHR is not a standard, it is a formal specification.
>
> http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm
> ISO, What is a standard:
>
> "A standard is a document that provides requirements, specifications,
> guidelines or characteristics that can be used consistently to ensure that
> materials, products, processes and services are fit for their purpose."
>
> On 24-10-14 19:20, pablo pazos wrote:
>
> Thanks for your message Stefan.
>
>  I understand the organizational time does not accompanies the time of
> the community needs.
>
>  For me is very odd that in one hand the Foundation wants to spread the
> standard but in the other do not endorse anyone on the training side.
>
>  Educators & trainers want to spread the standard also, and sometimes
> just saying "the foundation supports us" and have a web page with our name
> as "endorsed trainers" allows us to access places that we can't access
> alone, like government working groups. And training people in government is
> a great way of having the standard included in call for proposals for
> projects, and that leads to the industry to catch up. Then the industry
> will need people to work in delivering tools that implements the standard,
> and that people needs training, and so on. *We can create this virtuous
> circle but we need help.*
>
>  For me, training is the best way of spreading the standard and for the
> openEHR-ES community that seem to work for the last 4 years that I'm giving
> the course in spanish. And others follow, like the openEHR-BR community,
> some of them were my students now they have their own openEHR course in
> portuguese (awesome!).
>
>
> I'm not sure what's the formal way of putting these issues under the
> consideration of the board(s) and get any feedback from them.
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> http://cabolabs.com <http://cabolabs.com/es/home>
>
>  ----------
> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:52:22 +0200
> From: sauermann at technikum-wien.at
> 
> To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
> 
> CC: pazospablo at hotmail.com
> ;
> openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
> ;
> openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
> 
> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
>
> Dear Pablo!
> Within IHE wee seem to have a similar situation, "educators" working along
> providing training, trying to expain to the "institutional layer", asking
> the institution to take formal measures, so that training and probably even
> exams and certification are harmonised across subgroups and regions. Over
> the years something has sunk in, and we may see an IHE "Education" group
> sometime soon. This however took some years until both educators and
> "institutional layers" knew why and how they might benefit from each other.
> In that way I can understand your experience
> So: There seems to be independent multi-site evidence that "education" is
> a "political" issue.
>
> This may h

MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

[Bert Verhees]

OpenEHR is not a standard, it is a formal specification.

http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm
ISO, What is a standard:

"A standard is a document that provides requirements, specifications, 
guidelines or characteristics that can be used consistently to ensure 
that materials, products, processes and services are fit for their purpose."

On 24-10-14 19:20, pablo pazos wrote:
> Thanks for your message Stefan.
>
> I understand the organizational time does not accompanies the time of 
> the community needs.
>
> For me is very odd that in one hand the Foundation wants to spread the 
> standard but in the other do not endorse anyone on the training side.
>
> Educators & trainers want to spread the standard also, and sometimes 
> just saying "the foundation supports us" and have a web page with our 
> name as "endorsed trainers" allows us to access places that we can't 
> access alone, like government working groups. And training people in 
> government is a great way of having the standard included in call for 
> proposals for projects, and that leads to the industry to catch up. 
> Then the industry will need people to work in delivering tools that 
> implements the standard, and that people needs training, and so on. 
> *We can create this virtuous circle but we need help.*
>
> For me, training is the best way of spreading the standard and for the 
> openEHR-ES community that seem to work for the last 4 years that I'm 
> giving the course in spanish. And others follow, like the openEHR-BR 
> community, some of them were my students now they have their own 
> openEHR course in portuguese (awesome!).
>
>
> I'm not sure what's the formal way of putting these issues under the 
> consideration of the board(s) and get any feedback from them.
>
> -- 
> Kind regards,
> Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> http://cabolabs.com <http://cabolabs.com/es/home>
>
> 
> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:52:22 +0200
> From: sauermann at technikum-wien.at
> To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
> CC: pazospablo at hotmail.com; openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; 
> openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
>
> Dear Pablo!
> Within IHE wee seem to have a similar situation, "educators" working 
> along providing training, trying to expain to the "institutional 
> layer", asking the institution to take formal measures, so that 
> training and probably even exams and certification are harmonised 
> across subgroups and regions. Over the years something has sunk in, 
> and we may see an IHE "Education" group sometime soon. This however 
> took some years until both educators and "institutional layers" knew 
> why and how they might benefit from each other.
> In that way I can understand your experience
> So: There seems to be independent multi-site evidence that "education" 
> is a "political" issue.
>
> This may help or not, let us all keep the spirit high!
> Greetings from Vienna,
> Stefan
> Stefan Sauermann
>
> Program Director
> Biomedical Engineering Sciences (Master)
>
> University of Applied Sciences Technikum Wien
> Hoechstaedtplatz 5, 1200 Vienna, Austria
> P: +43 1 333 40 77 - 988
> M: +43 664 6192555
> E:stefan.sauermann at technikum-wien.at  <mailto:stefan.sauermann at 
> technikum-wien.at>
>
> I:www.technikum-wien.at/mbe  <http://www.technikum-wien.at/mbe>
> I:www.technikum-wien.at/ibmt  <http://www.technikum-wien.at/ibmt>
> I:www.healthy-interoperability.at  <http://www.healthy-interoperability.at>
> Am 23.10.2014 09:27, schrieb pablo pazos:
>
> Hi Sam,
>
> I think we are coordinating this already :) IMO that's the point
> of having the wiki pages and asking colleagues to add content,
> proposals and comments.
>
> I think the idea of a key note is great, and I want to collaborate
> in any way I can, but... as you an others may know, I asked
> several times for endorsement and support (not talking about
> money) from the foundation on the training side, to standardize
> the contents, to have a formal way of certification, and spread
> the standard, but the board went silent. I'm very pragmatic and I
> don't know why this is so difficult, for me this is treated in a
> very political way and should be something technical.
>
> With that being said, for me, talking about training under the
> foundation banner is at least weird.
>
> Maybe this is not a good place or time to mention this, but is how
> I honestl

MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

[pazospa...@hotmail.com]

Bert, I'm aware of the definition and I use terms in a very specific way, I 
said standard because  that definition fits what openEHR is.
Anyway, we are not discussing definitions but a much broader subject: the board 
being silent in front on community efforts that need them.
Pablo Pazoswww.CaboLabs.com


OpenEHR is not a standard, it is a formal specification.

http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm
ISO, What is a standard:

"A standard is a document that provides requirements, specifications,
guidelines or characteristics that can be used consistently to ensure
that materials, products, processes and services are fit for their purpose."

On 24-10-14 19:20, pablo pazos wrote:
> Thanks for your message Stefan.
>
> I understand the organizational time does not accompanies the time of
> the community needs.
>
> For me is very odd that in one hand the Foundation wants to spread the
> standard but in the other do not endorse anyone on the training side.
>
> Educators & trainers want to spread the standard also, and sometimes
> just saying "the foundation supports us" and have a web page with our
> name as "endorsed trainers" allows us to access places that we can't
> access alone, like government working groups. And training people in
> government is a great way of having the standard included in call for
> proposals for projects, and that leads to the industry to catch up.
> Then the industry will need people to work in delivering tools that
> implements the standard, and that people needs training, and so on.
> *We can create this virtuous circle but we need help.*
>
> For me, training is the best way of spreading the standard and for the
> openEHR-ES community that seem to work for the last 4 years that I'm
> giving the course in spanish. And others follow, like the openEHR-BR
> community, some of them were my students now they have their own
> openEHR course in portuguese (awesome!).
>
>
> I'm not sure what's the formal way of putting these issues under the
> consideration of the board(s) and get any feedback from them.
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> http://cabolabs.com <http://cabolabs.com/es/home>
>
> 
> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:52:22 +0200
> From: sauermann at technikum-wien.at
> To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
> CC: pazospablo at hotmail.com; openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org;
> openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
>
> Dear Pablo!
> Within IHE wee seem to have a similar situation, "educators" working
> along providing training, trying to expain to the "institutional
> layer", asking the institution to take formal measures, so that
> training and probably even exams and certification are harmonised
> across subgroups and regions. Over the years something has sunk in,
> and we may see an IHE "Education" group sometime soon. This however
> took some years until both educators and "institutional layers" knew
> why and how they might benefit from each other.
> In that way I can understand your experience
> So: There seems to be independent multi-site evidence that "education"
> is a "political" issue.
>
> This may help or not, let us all keep the spirit high!
> Greetings from Vienna,
> Stefan
> Stefan Sauermann
>
> Program Director
> Biomedical Engineering Sciences (Master)
>
> University of Applied Sciences Technikum Wien
> Hoechstaedtplatz 5, 1200 Vienna, Austria
> P: +43 1 333 40 77 - 988
> M: +43 664 6192555
> E:stefan.sauermann at technikum-wien.at  <mailto:stefan.sauermann at 
> technikum-wien.at>
>
> I:www.technikum-wien.at/mbe  <http://www.technikum-wien.at/mbe>
> I:www.technikum-wien.at/ibmt  <http://www.technikum-wien.at/ibmt>
> I:www.healthy-interoperability.at  <http://www.healthy-interoperability.at>
> Am 23.10.2014 09:27, schrieb pablo pazos:
>
> Hi Sam,
>
> I think we are coordinating this already :) IMO that's the point
> of having the wiki pages and asking colleagues to add content,
> proposals and comments.
>
> I think the idea of a key note is great, and I want to collaborate
> in any way I can, but... as you an others may know, I asked
> several times for endorsement and support (not talking about
> money) from the foundation on the training side, to standardize
> the contents, to have a formal way of certification, and spread
> the standard, but the board went silent. I'm very pragmatic and I
> don't know why this is so difficult, for me this is treated

MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

[pablo pazos]

Thanks for your message Stefan.
I understand the organizational time does not accompanies the time of the 
community needs.
For me is very odd that in one hand the Foundation wants to spread the standard 
but in the other do not endorse anyone on the training side.
Educators & trainers want to spread the standard also, and sometimes just 
saying "the foundation supports us" and have a web page with our name as 
"endorsed trainers" allows us to access places that we can't access alone, like 
government working groups. And training people in government is a great way of 
having the standard included in call for proposals for projects, and that leads 
to the industry to catch up. Then the industry will need people to work in 
delivering tools that implements the standard, and that people needs training, 
and so on. We can create this virtuous circle but we need help.
For me, training is the best way of spreading the standard and for the 
openEHR-ES community that seem to work for the last 4 years that I'm giving the 
course in spanish. And others follow, like the openEHR-BR community, some of 
them were my students now they have their own openEHR course in portuguese 
(awesome!).


I'm not sure what's the formal way of putting these issues under the 
consideration of the board(s) and get any feedback from them.

-- 
Kind regards,
Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
http://cabolabs.com

Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:52:22 +0200
From: sauerm...@technikum-wien.at
To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
CC: pazospablo at hotmail.com; openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; 
openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials


  

  
  
Dear Pablo!

  Within IHE wee seem to have a similar situation, "educators"
  working along providing training, trying to expain to the
  "institutional layer", asking the institution to take formal
  measures, so that training and probably even exams and
  certification are harmonised across subgroups and regions. Over
  the years something has sunk in, and we may see an IHE "Education"
  group sometime soon. This however took some years until both
  educators and "institutional layers" knew why and how they might
  benefit from each other. 

  In that way I can understand your experience

  So: There seems to be independent multi-site evidence that
  "education" is a "political" issue. 

  

  This may help or not, let us all keep the spirit high!

  Greetings from Vienna, 

  Stefan

  Stefan Sauermann

Program Director
Biomedical Engineering Sciences (Master)

University of Applied Sciences Technikum Wien
Hoechstaedtplatz 5, 1200 Vienna, Austria
P: +43 1 333 40 77 - 988
M: +43 664 6192555
E: stefan.sauermann at technikum-wien.at

I: www.technikum-wien.at/mbe
I: www.technikum-wien.at/ibmt
I: www.healthy-interoperability.at
  Am 23.10.2014 09:27, schrieb pablo pazos:



  
  Hi Sam,



I think we are coordinating this already :) IMO that's the
  point of having the wiki pages and asking colleagues to add
  content, proposals and comments.



I think the idea of a key note is great, and I want to
  collaborate in any way I can, but... as you an others may
  know, I asked several times for endorsement and support (not
  talking about money) from the foundation on the training side,
  to standardize the contents, to have a formal way of
  certification, and spread the standard, but the board went
  silent. I'm very pragmatic and I don't know why this is so
  difficult, for me this is treated in a very political way and
  should be something technical.



With that being said, for me, talking about training under
  the foundation banner is at least weird.



Maybe this is not a good place or time to mention this, but
  is how I honestly feel about the proposal.



I long to see the work I try to do to create awareness
  about the standard to be supported by the foundation. To be
  honest, the only support I got is from the Chilean Association
  of Healthcare Informatics (ACHISA) with whom I'm very thankful
  because without them I wouldn't be able to create the first
  online course 100% about openEHR in spanish and provide it to
  more than 140 people from 15 countries.





  -- 

  Kind regards,

  Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez

  http://cabolabs.com

  

  
    From: sam.heard at openehrfoundation.org

To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org

Subject: Re: MedInfo 

MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

[Ricardo Correia]

I will be present.

Cheers
 Em 23/10/2014 06:52,  escreveu:

>  Hi All
>
> It would be good to coordinate this and try and get a full range of
> options available - clinical and technical.
> Clearly there are a few people who have already done work in South America
> who might want to coordinate.
>
> I would hope that we may be able to get a key note if we are able to
> promote this idea. Perhaps a group of speakers on what they are doing with
> openEHR under the Foundation banner.
>
> I am very interested to know who will be attending and would like to
> present on any openEHR activity. I am happy to coordinate and make this
> list available to anyone interested.
>
> sam.heard at openehrfoundation.org
>
> Cheers, Sam
>
> *From:* Shinji KOBAYASHI 
> *Sent:* ?Wednesday?, ?22? ?October? ?2014 ?12?:?46? ?AM
> *To:* For openEHR clinical discussions
> 
> *Cc:* For openEHR technical discussions
> , For openEHR implementation
> discussions 
>
> Hi Pablo, and all
>
> Thank you for cooperation. I am working on the developers' workshop
> proposal based on the last proposal to MEDINFO2013. Please modify and
> add your description for your project.
> The Spanish tutorial sounds muy bien.
>
> Shinji
>
>
> 2014-10-21 23:06 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos :
> > Hi!
> >
> > I was about to send a message to the lists to coordinate the tutorials
> > topics to minimize overlap.
> >
> > Thanks for creating the page Shinji! That will help a lot for doing that
> > coordination.
> >
> > I'll add a list of topics and anyone can mark his/her preference for
> giving
> > a tutorial about it, so we can detect collisions.
> >
> >
> > For the spanish speakers, the MedInfo organization wants to have some
> > tutorials in spanish to encourage the LatAm community to participate in
> the
> > conference. Also until december they have a preferential price for LatAm
> > colleagues (still pricey but it's MedInfo :).
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Pablo.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Kind regards,
> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> > http://cabolabs.com
> >
> >> From: skoba at moss.gr.jp
> >> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 22:56:46 +0900
> >> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> >> To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
> >> CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org;
> >> openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
> >
> >>
> >> Dear colleagues,
> >>
> >> I updated Wiki description about MEDINFO 2015 and made the developers'
> >> workshop 2015 page.
> >> http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015
> >>
> >> Could you all please take a look and add comments or describe your plan?
> >>
> >>
> >> Shinji KOBAYASHI
> >>
> >> 2014-08-05 10:22 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos :
> >> > Of course! I should have think of Jussara before. I'll talk with her
> and
> >> > her
> >> > fellow openEHR.br colleagues to see if we can get this organized.
> >> >
> >> > BTW, just to start the coordination I would like to do a workshop
> >> > focused on
> >> > openEHR data store and query. And if there's interest, another one
> >> > focused
> >> > on UI: generation, manipulation, processing, models, etc. (we're
> >> > presenting
> >> > a paper on this topic at the InfoLac congress, this year is in
> Uruguay!
> >> > lucky me: http://infolac2014.org/index.php/en/)
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Kind regards,
> >> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> >> > http://cabolabs.com
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> > From: sam.heard at oceaninformatics.com
> >> > To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org;
> >> > openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
> >> > Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> >> > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 08:30:32 +
> >> > CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi Pablo
> >> >
> >> > I wonder if Jusara could organise a submeeting in an academic/industry
> >> > forum
> >> > prior to MedInfo?
> >> >
> >> > Cheers Sam
> >> >
> >> > Sent from Windows Mail
> >> >
> >> > From: pablo pazos
> >> > Sent: ?Saturday?, ?2? ?August? ?2014 ?9?:?06? ?AM
> >> > To: For openEHR clinical discu

MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

[pablo pazos]

Hi Sam,
I think we are coordinating this already :) IMO that's the point of having the 
wiki pages and asking colleagues to add content, proposals and comments.
I think the idea of a key note is great, and I want to collaborate in any way I 
can, but... as you an others may know, I asked several times for endorsement 
and support (not talking about money) from the foundation on the training side, 
to standardize the contents, to have a formal way of certification, and spread 
the standard, but the board went silent. I'm very pragmatic and I don't know 
why this is so difficult, for me this is treated in a very political way and 
should be something technical.
With that being said, for me, talking about training under the foundation 
banner is at least weird.
Maybe this is not a good place or time to mention this, but is how I honestly 
feel about the proposal.
I long to see the work I try to do to create awareness about the standard to be 
supported by the foundation. To be honest, the only support I got is from the 
Chilean Association of Healthcare Informatics (ACHISA) with whom I'm very 
thankful because without them I wouldn't be able to create the first online 
course 100% about openEHR in spanish and provide it to more than 140 people 
from 15 countries.

-- 
Kind regards,
Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
http://cabolabs.com

From: sam.he...@openehrfoundation.org
To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 05:48:00 +
CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at 
lists.openehr.org







Hi All
It would be good to coordinate this and try and get a full range of options 
available - clinical and technical.Clearly there are a few people who have 
already done work in South America who might want to coordinate.
I would hope that we may be able to get a key note if we are able to promote 
this idea. Perhaps a group of speakers on what they are doing with openEHR 
under the Foundation banner.
I am very interested to know who will be attending and would like to present on 
any openEHR activity. I am happy to coordinate and make this list available to 
anyone interested.
sam.heard at openehrfoundation.org
Cheers, Sam

From: Shinji KOBAYASHI
Sent: ?Wednesday?, ?22? ?October? ?2014 ?12?:?46? ?AM
To: For openEHR clinical discussions
Cc: For openEHR technical discussions, For openEHR implementation discussions
Hi Pablo, and all

Thank you for cooperation. I am working on the developers' workshop
proposal based on the last proposal to MEDINFO2013. Please modify and
add your description for your project.
The Spanish tutorial sounds muy bien.

Shinji


2014-10-21 23:06 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos :
> Hi!
>
> I was about to send a message to the lists to coordinate the tutorials
> topics to minimize overlap.
>
> Thanks for creating the page Shinji! That will help a lot for doing that
> coordination.
>
> I'll add a list of topics and anyone can mark his/her preference for giving
> a tutorial about it, so we can detect collisions.
>
>
> For the spanish speakers, the MedInfo organization wants to have some
> tutorials in spanish to encourage the LatAm community to participate in the
> conference. Also until december they have a preferential price for LatAm
> colleagues (still pricey but it's MedInfo :).
>
>
> Cheers,
> Pablo.
>
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> http://cabolabs.com
>
>> From: skoba at moss.gr.jp
>> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 22:56:46 +0900
>> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
>> To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
>> CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org;
>> openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
>
>>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> I updated Wiki description about MEDINFO 2015 and made the developers'
>> workshop 2015 page.
>> http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015
>>
>> Could you all please take a look and add comments or describe your plan?
>>
>>
>> Shinji KOBAYASHI
>>
>> 2014-08-05 10:22 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos :
>> > Of course! I should have think of Jussara before. I'll talk with her and
>> > her
>> > fellow openEHR.br colleagues to see if we can get this organized.
>> >
>> > BTW, just to start the coordination I would like to do a workshop
>> > focused on
>> > openEHR data store and query. And if there's interest, another one
>> > focused
>> > on UI: generation, manipulation, processing, models, etc. (we're
>> > presenting
>> > a paper on this topic at the InfoLac congress, this year is in Uruguay!
>> > lucky me: http://infolac2014.org/index.php/en/)
>> >
>> > --
>> >

MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

[Shinji KOBAYASHI]

Hi Pablo, and all

Thank you for cooperation. I am working on the developers' workshop
proposal based on the last proposal to MEDINFO2013. Please modify and
add your description for your project.
The Spanish tutorial sounds muy bien.

Shinji


2014-10-21 23:06 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos :
> Hi!
>
> I was about to send a message to the lists to coordinate the tutorials
> topics to minimize overlap.
>
> Thanks for creating the page Shinji! That will help a lot for doing that
> coordination.
>
> I'll add a list of topics and anyone can mark his/her preference for giving
> a tutorial about it, so we can detect collisions.
>
>
> For the spanish speakers, the MedInfo organization wants to have some
> tutorials in spanish to encourage the LatAm community to participate in the
> conference. Also until december they have a preferential price for LatAm
> colleagues (still pricey but it's MedInfo :).
>
>
> Cheers,
> Pablo.
>
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> http://cabolabs.com
>
>> From: skoba at moss.gr.jp
>> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 22:56:46 +0900
>> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
>> To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
>> CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org;
>> openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
>
>>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> I updated Wiki description about MEDINFO 2015 and made the developers'
>> workshop 2015 page.
>> http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015
>>
>> Could you all please take a look and add comments or describe your plan?
>>
>>
>> Shinji KOBAYASHI
>>
>> 2014-08-05 10:22 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos :
>> > Of course! I should have think of Jussara before. I'll talk with her and
>> > her
>> > fellow openEHR.br colleagues to see if we can get this organized.
>> >
>> > BTW, just to start the coordination I would like to do a workshop
>> > focused on
>> > openEHR data store and query. And if there's interest, another one
>> > focused
>> > on UI: generation, manipulation, processing, models, etc. (we're
>> > presenting
>> > a paper on this topic at the InfoLac congress, this year is in Uruguay!
>> > lucky me: http://infolac2014.org/index.php/en/)
>> >
>> > --
>> > Kind regards,
>> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
>> > http://cabolabs.com
>> >
>> > 
>> > From: sam.heard at oceaninformatics.com
>> > To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org;
>> > openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
>> > Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
>> > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 08:30:32 +
>> > CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Pablo
>> >
>> > I wonder if Jusara could organise a submeeting in an academic/industry
>> > forum
>> > prior to MedInfo?
>> >
>> > Cheers Sam
>> >
>> > Sent from Windows Mail
>> >
>> > From: pablo pazos
>> > Sent: ?Saturday?, ?2? ?August? ?2014 ?9?:?06? ?AM
>> > To: For openEHR clinical discussions, For openEHR technical discussions
>> > Cc: For openEHR implementation discussions
>> >
>> > Thanks for the info Heather!
>> >
>> > I think we should do something similar to the previous workshops for
>> > devs,
>> > something simple to get newcomers to understand how to work with
>> > archetypes
>> > in software (parsing, processing, validating data, extracting paths,
>> > etc),
>> > and more specific topics for skilled openEHR devs (persistence options,
>> > REST
>> > APIs, querying, reporting, UI generation, ...).
>> >
>> > I would love to see a hands-on tutorial in which we can program live and
>> > help newcomers to pass the first barrier in openEHR software
>> > development:
>> > lose the fear of archetypes.
>> >
>> > Also I would like to know how we want to present this, should we submit
>> > the
>> > proposals individualy and then organize or should we coordinate and make
>> > one
>> > proposal with all the workshops/tutorials?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > --
>> > Kind regards,
>> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
>> > http://cabolabs.com
>> >
>> > 
>> > From: heather.leslie at oceaninformatics.com
>> > To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org;
>> > opene

MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

[Shinji KOBAYASHI]

Dear colleagues,

I updated Wiki description about MEDINFO 2015 and made the developers'
workshop 2015 page.
http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015

Could you all please take a look and add comments or describe your plan?


Shinji KOBAYASHI

2014-08-05 10:22 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos :
> Of course! I should have think of Jussara before. I'll talk with her and her
> fellow openEHR.br colleagues to see if we can get this organized.
>
> BTW, just to start the coordination I would like to do a workshop focused on
> openEHR data store and query. And if there's interest, another one focused
> on UI: generation, manipulation, processing, models, etc. (we're presenting
> a paper on this topic at the InfoLac congress, this year is in Uruguay!
> lucky me: http://infolac2014.org/index.php/en/)
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> http://cabolabs.com
>
> 
> From: sam.heard at oceaninformatics.com
> To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-technical at 
> lists.openehr.org
> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 08:30:32 +
> CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
>
>
> Hi Pablo
>
> I wonder if Jusara could organise a submeeting in an academic/industry forum
> prior to MedInfo?
>
> Cheers Sam
>
> Sent from Windows Mail
>
> From: pablo pazos
> Sent: ?Saturday?, ?2? ?August? ?2014 ?9?:?06? ?AM
> To: For openEHR clinical discussions, For openEHR technical discussions
> Cc: For openEHR implementation discussions
>
> Thanks for the info Heather!
>
> I think we should do something similar to the previous workshops for devs,
> something simple to get newcomers to understand how to work with archetypes
> in software (parsing, processing, validating data, extracting paths, etc),
> and more specific topics for skilled openEHR devs (persistence options, REST
> APIs, querying, reporting, UI generation, ...).
>
> I would love to see a hands-on tutorial in which we can program live and
> help newcomers to pass the first barrier in openEHR software development:
> lose the fear of archetypes.
>
> Also I would like to know how we want to present this, should we submit the
> proposals individualy and then organize or should we coordinate and make one
> proposal with all the workshops/tutorials?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> http://cabolabs.com
>
> ____
> From: heather.leslie at oceaninformatics.com
> To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-clinical at 
> lists.openehr.org
> Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 01:54:59 +
> CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
>
> Hi Pablo,
>
>
>
> We have kept info on Conferences in the wiki:
> http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/Conferences
>
>
>
> See Medinfo 2013:
> http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2013+-+Copenhagen,+Denmark.
> 2 half day sessions were held then ? one clinical modelling focussed and the
> other technical
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Heather
>
>
>
> From: openEHR-technical [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at 
> lists.openehr.org]
> On Behalf Of pablo pazos
> Sent: Friday, 1 August 2014 12:14 AM
> To: openeh technical; openEHR Clinical
> Cc: openehr implementers
> Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
>
>
>
> Hi Shinji!
>
>
>
> By chance, do you have the agendas of the previous openEHR developer's
> workshops?
>
>
>
> It would be nice to see what has been done, do a little bit of introduction
> workshops for beginners and do some new cool stuff for skilled openEHR devs.
>
>
>
> BTW, maybe a good place to coordinate and share info about ideas would be
> the openEHR wiki.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> http://cabolabs.com
>
> 
>
> From: skoba at moss.gr.jp
> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:25:16 +0900
> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
> CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org;
> openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
>
> Hi Pablo and all,
>
> We had developers' workshop at Medinfo2007, 2010 and 2013, and I organized
> developers' workshop 2010, and 2013.
>
> I think the combination of clinical workshop/tutorial half day and
> developers' workshop half day would be better.
>
> I have to write up until the tutorial/workshop dead line, 15 Jan, 2015.
>
> Shinji KOBAYASHI
>
>
>
> 2014-07-29 13:52 GMT+09:00 pablo pazo

MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

[pablo pazos]

Hi!
I was about to send a message to the lists to coordinate the tutorials topics 
to minimize overlap.
Thanks for creating the page Shinji! That will help a lot for doing that 
coordination.
I'll add a list of topics and anyone can mark his/her preference for giving a 
tutorial about it, so we can detect collisions.

For the spanish speakers, the MedInfo organization wants to have some tutorials 
in spanish to encourage the LatAm community to participate in the conference. 
Also until december they have a preferential price for LatAm colleagues (still 
pricey but it's MedInfo :). 


Cheers,Pablo.

-- 
Kind regards,
Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
http://cabolabs.com

> From: skoba at moss.gr.jp
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 22:56:46 +0900
> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
> CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org; openehr-clinical at 
> lists.openehr.org
> 
> Dear colleagues,
> 
> I updated Wiki description about MEDINFO 2015 and made the developers'
> workshop 2015 page.
> http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015
> 
> Could you all please take a look and add comments or describe your plan?
> 
> 
> Shinji KOBAYASHI
> 
> 2014-08-05 10:22 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos :
> > Of course! I should have think of Jussara before. I'll talk with her and her
> > fellow openEHR.br colleagues to see if we can get this organized.
> >
> > BTW, just to start the coordination I would like to do a workshop focused on
> > openEHR data store and query. And if there's interest, another one focused
> > on UI: generation, manipulation, processing, models, etc. (we're presenting
> > a paper on this topic at the InfoLac congress, this year is in Uruguay!
> > lucky me: http://infolac2014.org/index.php/en/)
> >
> > --
> > Kind regards,
> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> > http://cabolabs.com
> >
> > ____________
> > From: sam.heard at oceaninformatics.com
> > To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-technical at 
> > lists.openehr.org
> > Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 08:30:32 +
> > CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
> >
> >
> > Hi Pablo
> >
> > I wonder if Jusara could organise a submeeting in an academic/industry forum
> > prior to MedInfo?
> >
> > Cheers Sam
> >
> > Sent from Windows Mail
> >
> > From: pablo pazos
> > Sent: ?Saturday?, ?2? ?August? ?2014 ?9?:?06? ?AM
> > To: For openEHR clinical discussions, For openEHR technical discussions
> > Cc: For openEHR implementation discussions
> >
> > Thanks for the info Heather!
> >
> > I think we should do something similar to the previous workshops for devs,
> > something simple to get newcomers to understand how to work with archetypes
> > in software (parsing, processing, validating data, extracting paths, etc),
> > and more specific topics for skilled openEHR devs (persistence options, REST
> > APIs, querying, reporting, UI generation, ...).
> >
> > I would love to see a hands-on tutorial in which we can program live and
> > help newcomers to pass the first barrier in openEHR software development:
> > lose the fear of archetypes.
> >
> > Also I would like to know how we want to present this, should we submit the
> > proposals individualy and then organize or should we coordinate and make one
> > proposal with all the workshops/tutorials?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Kind regards,
> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> > http://cabolabs.com
> >
> > 
> > From: heather.leslie at oceaninformatics.com
> > To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-clinical at 
> > lists.openehr.org
> > Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 01:54:59 +
> > CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
> >
> > Hi Pablo,
> >
> >
> >
> > We have kept info on Conferences in the wiki:
> > http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/Conferences
> >
> >
> >
> > See Medinfo 2013:
> > http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2013+-+Copenhagen,+Denmark.
> > 2 half day sessions were held then ? one clinical modelling focussed and the
> > other technical
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> >
> > Heather
> >
> >
> >
> > From: openEHR-technical [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at 
> > lists.openehr.org]
> > On Behalf Of pablo pazos
> > 

MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

[pablo pazos]

Of course! I should have think of Jussara before. I'll talk with her and her 
fellow openEHR.br colleagues to see if we can get this organized.
BTW, just to start the coordination I would like to do a workshop focused on 
openEHR data store and query. And if there's interest, another one focused on 
UI: generation, manipulation, processing, models, etc. (we're presenting a 
paper on this topic at the InfoLac congress, this year is in Uruguay! lucky me: 
http://infolac2014.org/index.php/en/)
-- 
Kind regards,
Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
http://cabolabs.com

From: sam.he...@oceaninformatics.com
To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-technical at 
lists.openehr.org
Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 08:30:32 +
CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org









Hi Pablo



I wonder if Jusara could organise a submeeting in an academic/industry forum 
prior to MedInfo?



Cheers Sam






Sent from Windows Mail





From: pablo
 pazos

Sent: ?Saturday?, ?2? ?August? ?2014 ?9?:?06? ?AM

To: For openEHR clinical discussions,
For openEHR technical discussions

Cc: For openEHR implementation discussions





Thanks for the info Heather!



I think we should do something similar to the previous workshops for devs, 
something simple to get newcomers to understand how to work with archetypes in 
software (parsing, processing, validating data, extracting paths, etc), and 
more specific topics for
 skilled openEHR devs (persistence options, REST APIs, querying, reporting, UI 
generation, ...).



I would love to see a hands-on tutorial in which we can program live and help 
newcomers to pass the first barrier in openEHR software development: lose the 
fear of archetypes.



Also I would like to know how we want to present this, should we submit the 
proposals individualy and then organize or should we coordinate and make one 
proposal with all the workshops/tutorials?



Thanks!



-- 

Kind regards,

Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez

http://cabolabs.com





From: heather.les...@oceaninformatics.com

To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-clinical at 
lists.openehr.org

Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 01:54:59 +

CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org




Hi Pablo,
 
We have kept info on Conferences in the wiki: 
http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/Conferences
 
See Medinfo 2013:

http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2013+-+Copenhagen,+Denmark.
 2 half day sessions were held then ? one clinical modelling focussed and the 
other technical
 
Regards
 
Heather
 


From: openEHR-technical [mailto:openehr-technical-boun...@lists.openehr.org]
On Behalf Of pablo pazos

Sent: Friday, 1 August 2014 12:14 AM

To: openeh technical; openEHR Clinical

Cc: openehr implementers

Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials


 

Hi Shinji!

 


By chance, do you have the agendas of the previous openEHR developer's 
workshops?


 


It would be nice to see what has been done, do a little bit of introduction 
workshops for beginners and do some new cool stuff for skilled openEHR devs.


 


BTW, maybe a good place to coordinate and share info about ideas would be the 
openEHR wiki.


 


Thanks!



-- 

Kind regards,

Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez

http://cabolabs.com




From: 
skoba at moss.gr.jp

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:25:16 +0900

Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org

CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org;
openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org





Hi Pablo and all,

We had developers' workshop at Medinfo2007, 2010 and 2013, and I organized 
developers' workshop 2010, and 2013.

I think the combination of clinical workshop/tutorial half day and developers' 
workshop half day would be better.

I have to write up until the tutorial/workshop dead line, 15 Jan, 2015.

Shinji KOBAYASHI


 

2014-07-29 13:52 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos :



Hi all!

 


Since next MedInfo is in Brazil (near Uruguay) I'll be attending for sure. I 
also might present a paper or two and want to propose an openEHR related 
tutorial.


 


Is other people planning to present openEHR papers or tutorials? It would be 
great if we can coordinate tutorials (and topics) together so we can have our 
"openEHR day" at MedInfo.


 


What do you think?


 


We have 1 year to plan this, and that's not a lot of time!


 


I hope we can join forces and do something nice for the south american openEHR 
community. We are eager to learn from others that already have openEHR working 
in the real world, and learn
 from their success and failures.



-- 

Kind regards,

Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez

http://cabolabs.com





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__

MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

[Ian McNicoll]

Hi Pablo,

This is exactly the type of environment we are trying to setup with
HANDI-HOPD - see handi-hopd.org.

Although the first outing will be somewhat UK focussed, we are trying
to work to an architecture that will allow the environment to be
cloned and re-packaged for other countries/regions + use cloud-based
Docker/openShift type hosting.

Ian



On 2 August 2014 00:35, pablo pazos  wrote:
> Thanks for the info Heather!
>
> I think we should do something similar to the previous workshops for devs,
> something simple to get newcomers to understand how to work with archetypes
> in software (parsing, processing, validating data, extracting paths, etc),
> and more specific topics for skilled openEHR devs (persistence options, REST
> APIs, querying, reporting, UI generation, ...).
>
> I would love to see a hands-on tutorial in which we can program live and
> help newcomers to pass the first barrier in openEHR software development:
> lose the fear of archetypes.
>
> Also I would like to know how we want to present this, should we submit the
> proposals individualy and then organize or should we coordinate and make one
> proposal with all the workshops/tutorials?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> http://cabolabs.com
>
> 
> From: heather.leslie at oceaninformatics.com
> To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-clinical at 
> lists.openehr.org
>
> Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 01:54:59 +
> CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
>
>
> Hi Pablo,
>
>
>
> We have kept info on Conferences in the wiki:
> http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/Conferences
>
>
>
> See Medinfo 2013:
> http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2013+-+Copenhagen,+Denmark.
> 2 half day sessions were held then ? one clinical modelling focussed and the
> other technical
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Heather
>
>
>
> From: openEHR-technical [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at 
> lists.openehr.org]
> On Behalf Of pablo pazos
> Sent: Friday, 1 August 2014 12:14 AM
> To: openeh technical; openEHR Clinical
> Cc: openehr implementers
> Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
>
>
>
> Hi Shinji!
>
>
>
> By chance, do you have the agendas of the previous openEHR developer's
> workshops?
>
>
>
> It would be nice to see what has been done, do a little bit of introduction
> workshops for beginners and do some new cool stuff for skilled openEHR devs.
>
>
>
> BTW, maybe a good place to coordinate and share info about ideas would be
> the openEHR wiki.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> http://cabolabs.com
>
> 
>
> From: skoba at moss.gr.jp
> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:25:16 +0900
> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
> CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org;
> openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
>
> Hi Pablo and all,
>
> We had developers' workshop at Medinfo2007, 2010 and 2013, and I organized
> developers' workshop 2010, and 2013.
>
> I think the combination of clinical workshop/tutorial half day and
> developers' workshop half day would be better.
>
> I have to write up until the tutorial/workshop dead line, 15 Jan, 2015.
>
> Shinji KOBAYASHI
>
>
>
> 2014-07-29 13:52 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos :
>
> Hi all!
>
>
>
> Since next MedInfo is in Brazil (near Uruguay) I'll be attending for sure. I
> also might present a paper or two and want to propose an openEHR related
> tutorial.
>
>
>
> Is other people planning to present openEHR papers or tutorials? It would be
> great if we can coordinate tutorials (and topics) together so we can have
> our "openEHR day" at MedInfo.
>
>
>
> What do you think?
>
>
>
> We have 1 year to plan this, and that's not a lot of time!
>
>
>
> I hope we can join forces and do something nice for the south american
> openEHR community. We are eager to learn from others that already have
> openEHR working in the real world, and learn from their success and
> failures.
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> http://cabolabs.com
>
>
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[Sam Heard]

Hi Pablo

I wonder if Jusara could organise a submeeting in an academic/industry forum 
prior to MedInfo?

Cheers Sam

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From: pablo pazos<mailto:pazospa...@hotmail.com>
Sent: ?Saturday?, ?2? ?August? ?2014 ?9?:?06? ?AM
To: For openEHR clinical discussions<mailto:openehr-clinical at 
lists.openehr.org>, For openEHR technical discussions<mailto:openehr-technical 
at lists.openehr.org>
Cc: For openEHR implementation discussions<mailto:openehr-implementers at 
lists.openehr.org>

Thanks for the info Heather!

I think we should do something similar to the previous workshops for devs, 
something simple to get newcomers to understand how to work with archetypes in 
software (parsing, processing, validating data, extracting paths, etc), and 
more specific topics for skilled openEHR devs (persistence options, REST APIs, 
querying, reporting, UI generation, ...).

I would love to see a hands-on tutorial in which we can program live and help 
newcomers to pass the first barrier in openEHR software development: lose the 
fear of archetypes.

Also I would like to know how we want to present this, should we submit the 
proposals individualy and then organize or should we coordinate and make one 
proposal with all the workshops/tutorials?

Thanks!

--
Kind regards,
Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
http://cabolabs.com<http://cabolabs.com/es/home><http://twitter.com/ppazos>


From: heather.les...@oceaninformatics.com
To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-clinical at 
lists.openehr.org
Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 01:54:59 +
CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org


Hi Pablo,



We have kept info on Conferences in the wiki: 
http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/Conferences



See Medinfo 2013: 
http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2013+-+Copenhagen,+Denmark<http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2013+-+Copenhagen%2c+Denmark>.
 2 half day sessions were held then - one clinical modelling focussed and the 
other technical



Regards



Heather



From: openEHR-technical [mailto:openehr-technical-boun...@lists.openehr.org] On 
Behalf Of pablo pazos
Sent: Friday, 1 August 2014 12:14 AM
To: openeh technical; openEHR Clinical
Cc: openehr implementers
Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials



Hi Shinji!



By chance, do you have the agendas of the previous openEHR developer's 
workshops?



It would be nice to see what has been done, do a little bit of introduction 
workshops for beginners and do some new cool stuff for skilled openEHR devs.



BTW, maybe a good place to coordinate and share info about ideas would be the 
openEHR wiki.



Thanks!

--
Kind regards,
Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
http://cabolabs.com<http://cabolabs.com/es/home>



From: skoba at moss.gr.jp<mailto:sk...@moss.gr.jp>
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:25:16 +0900
Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org<mailto:openehr-clinical at 
lists.openehr.org>
CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org<mailto:openehr-technical at 
lists.openehr.org>; openehr-implementers at 
lists.openehr.org<mailto:openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org>

Hi Pablo and all,

We had developers' workshop at Medinfo2007, 2010 and 2013, and I organized 
developers' workshop 2010, and 2013.

I think the combination of clinical workshop/tutorial half day and developers' 
workshop half day would be better.

I have to write up until the tutorial/workshop dead line, 15 Jan, 2015.

Shinji KOBAYASHI



2014-07-29 13:52 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos mailto:pazospablo at hotmail.com>>:

Hi all!



Since next MedInfo is in Brazil (near Uruguay) I'll be attending for sure. I 
also might present a paper or two and want to propose an openEHR related 
tutorial.



Is other people planning to present openEHR papers or tutorials? It would be 
great if we can coordinate tutorials (and topics) together so we can have our 
"openEHR day" at MedInfo.



What do you think?



We have 1 year to plan this, and that's not a lot of time!



I hope we can join forces and do something nice for the south american openEHR 
community. We are eager to learn from others that already have openEHR working 
in the real world, and learn from their success and failures.

--
Kind regards,
Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
http://cabolabs.com<http://cabolabs.com/es/home>

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MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

[pablo pazos]

Thanks for the info Heather!
I think we should do something similar to the previous workshops for devs, 
something simple to get newcomers to understand how to work with archetypes in 
software (parsing, processing, validating data, extracting paths, etc), and 
more specific topics for skilled openEHR devs (persistence options, REST APIs, 
querying, reporting, UI generation, ...).
I would love to see a hands-on tutorial in which we can program live and help 
newcomers to pass the first barrier in openEHR software development: lose the 
fear of archetypes.
Also I would like to know how we want to present this, should we submit the 
proposals individualy and then organize or should we coordinate and make one 
proposal with all the workshops/tutorials?

Thanks!

-- 
Kind regards,
Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
http://cabolabs.com

From: heather.les...@oceaninformatics.com
To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-clinical at 
lists.openehr.org
Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 01:54:59 +
CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org









Hi Pablo,
 
We have kept info on Conferences in the wiki: 
http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/Conferences
 
See Medinfo 2013:

http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2013+-+Copenhagen,+Denmark.
 2 half day sessions were held then ? one clinical modelling focussed and the 
other technical
 
Regards
 
Heather
 


From: openEHR-technical [mailto:openehr-technical-boun...@lists.openehr.org]
On Behalf Of pablo pazos

Sent: Friday, 1 August 2014 12:14 AM

To: openeh technical; openEHR Clinical

Cc: openehr implementers

Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials


 

Hi Shinji!

 


By chance, do you have the agendas of the previous openEHR developer's 
workshops?


 


It would be nice to see what has been done, do a little bit of introduction 
workshops for beginners and do some new cool stuff for skilled openEHR devs.


 


BTW, maybe a good place to coordinate and share info about ideas would be the 
openEHR wiki.


 


Thanks!



-- 

Kind regards,

Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez

http://cabolabs.com




From:
skoba at moss.gr.jp

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:25:16 +0900

Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org

CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org;
openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org





Hi Pablo and all,

We had developers' workshop at Medinfo2007, 2010 and 2013, and I organized 
developers' workshop 2010, and 2013.

I think the combination of clinical workshop/tutorial half day and developers' 
workshop half day would be better.

I have to write up until the tutorial/workshop dead line, 15 Jan, 2015.

Shinji KOBAYASHI


 

2014-07-29 13:52 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos :



Hi all!

 


Since next MedInfo is in Brazil (near Uruguay) I'll be attending for sure. I 
also might present a paper or two and want to propose an openEHR related 
tutorial.


 


Is other people planning to present openEHR papers or tutorials? It would be 
great if we can coordinate tutorials (and topics) together so we can have our 
"openEHR day" at MedInfo.


 


What do you think?


 


We have 1 year to plan this, and that's not a lot of time!


 


I hope we can join forces and do something nice for the south american openEHR 
community. We are eager to learn from others that already have openEHR working 
in the real world, and learn
 from their success and failures.



-- 

Kind regards,

Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez

http://cabolabs.com





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[Heather Leslie]

Hi Pablo,

We have kept info on Conferences in the wiki: 
http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/Conferences

See Medinfo 2013: 
http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2013+-+Copenhagen,+Denmark.
 2 half day sessions were held then - one clinical modelling focussed and the 
other technical

Regards

Heather

From: openEHR-technical [mailto:openehr-technical-boun...@lists.openehr.org] On 
Behalf Of pablo pazos
Sent: Friday, 1 August 2014 12:14 AM
To: openeh technical; openEHR Clinical
Cc: openehr implementers
Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

Hi Shinji!

By chance, do you have the agendas of the previous openEHR developer's 
workshops?

It would be nice to see what has been done, do a little bit of introduction 
workshops for beginners and do some new cool stuff for skilled openEHR devs.

BTW, maybe a good place to coordinate and share info about ideas would be the 
openEHR wiki.

Thanks!

--
Kind regards,
Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
http://cabolabs.com<http://cabolabs.com/es/home>

From: skoba at moss.gr.jp<mailto:sk...@moss.gr.jp>
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:25:16 +0900
Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org<mailto:openehr-clinical at 
lists.openehr.org>
CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org<mailto:openehr-technical at 
lists.openehr.org>; openehr-implementers at 
lists.openehr.org<mailto:openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org>
Hi Pablo and all,
We had developers' workshop at Medinfo2007, 2010 and 2013, and I organized 
developers' workshop 2010, and 2013.
I think the combination of clinical workshop/tutorial half day and developers' 
workshop half day would be better.
I have to write up until the tutorial/workshop dead line, 15 Jan, 2015.
Shinji KOBAYASHI

2014-07-29 13:52 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos mailto:pazospablo at hotmail.com>>:
Hi all!

Since next MedInfo is in Brazil (near Uruguay) I'll be attending for sure. I 
also might present a paper or two and want to propose an openEHR related 
tutorial.

Is other people planning to present openEHR papers or tutorials? It would be 
great if we can coordinate tutorials (and topics) together so we can have our 
"openEHR day" at MedInfo.

What do you think?

We have 1 year to plan this, and that's not a lot of time!

I hope we can join forces and do something nice for the south american openEHR 
community. We are eager to learn from others that already have openEHR working 
in the real world, and learn from their success and failures.

--
Kind regards,
Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
http://cabolabs.com<http://cabolabs.com/es/home>

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[pablo pazos]

Hi Shinji!
By chance, do you have the agendas of the previous openEHR developer's 
workshops?
It would be nice to see what has been done, do a little bit of introduction 
workshops for beginners and do some new cool stuff for skilled openEHR devs.
BTW, maybe a good place to coordinate and share info about ideas would be the 
openEHR wiki.
Thanks!

-- 
Kind regards,
Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
http://cabolabs.com

From: sk...@moss.gr.jp
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:25:16 +0900
Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at 
lists.openehr.org

Hi Pablo and all,

We had developers' workshop at Medinfo2007, 2010 and 2013, and I organized 
developers' workshop 2010, and 2013.
I think the combination of clinical workshop/tutorial half day and developers' 
workshop half day would be better.


I have to write up until the tutorial/workshop dead line, 15 Jan, 2015.

Shinji KOBAYASHI


2014-07-29 13:52 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos :





Hi all!
Since next MedInfo is in Brazil (near Uruguay) I'll be attending for sure. I 
also might present a paper or two and want to propose an openEHR related 
tutorial.


Is other people planning to present openEHR papers or tutorials? It would be 
great if we can coordinate tutorials (and topics) together so we can have our 
"openEHR day" at MedInfo.


What do you think?
We have 1 year to plan this, and that's not a lot of time!
I hope we can join forces and do something nice for the south american openEHR 
community. We are eager to learn from others that already have openEHR working 
in the real world, and learn from their success and failures.



-- 
Kind regards,
Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
http://cabolabs.com   



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[Shinji KOBAYASHI]

Hi Pablo and all,

We had developers' workshop at Medinfo2007, 2010 and 2013, and I organized
developers' workshop 2010, and 2013.
I think the combination of clinical workshop/tutorial half day and
developers' workshop half day would be better.
I have to write up until the tutorial/workshop dead line, 15 Jan, 2015.

Shinji KOBAYASHI


2014-07-29 13:52 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos :

> Hi all!
>
> Since next MedInfo is in Brazil (near Uruguay) I'll be attending for sure.
> I also might present a paper or two and want to propose an openEHR related
> tutorial.
>
> Is other people planning to present openEHR papers or tutorials? It would
> be great if we can coordinate tutorials (and topics) together so we can
> have our "openEHR day" at MedInfo.
>
> What do you think?
>
> We have 1 year to plan this, and that's not a lot of time!
>
> I hope we can join forces and do something nice for the south american
> openEHR community. We are eager to learn from others that already have
> openEHR working in the real world, and learn from their success and
> failures.
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> http://cabolabs.com 
> 
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Hi Pablo

Great to hear from you and your plans for Medinfo 2015. I plan to come for the 
meeting and I am sure a lot of others do too. A group of openEHR implementers 
will be meeting in Istanbul before MIE on the Saturday afternoon (venue to be 
decided).

I would hope that there will be sufficient momentum in Brazil to have a high 
profile openEHR stream at Medinfo and take a key role in the conference.

Cheers, Sam

Sent from Windows Mail

From: Pablo Pazos
Sent: ?Tuesday?, ?29? ?July? ?2014 ?2?:?23? ?PM
To: For openEHR clinical discussions, For openEHR implementation 
discussions, For openEHR 
technical discussions

Hi all!

Since next MedInfo is in Brazil (near Uruguay) I'll be attending for sure. I 
also might present a paper or two and want to propose an openEHR related 
tutorial.

Is other people planning to present openEHR papers or tutorials? It would be 
great if we can coordinate tutorials (and topics) together so we can have our 
"openEHR day" at MedInfo.

What do you think?

We have 1 year to plan this, and that's not a lot of time!

I hope we can join forces and do something nice for the south american openEHR 
community. We are eager to learn from others that already have openEHR working 
in the real world, and learn from their success and failures.

--
Kind regards,
Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
http://cabolabs.com
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[pablo pazos]

Hi all!
Since next MedInfo is in Brazil (near Uruguay) I'll be attending for sure. I 
also might present a paper or two and want to propose an openEHR related 
tutorial.
Is other people planning to present openEHR papers or tutorials? It would be 
great if we can coordinate tutorials (and topics) together so we can have our 
"openEHR day" at MedInfo.
What do you think?
We have 1 year to plan this, and that's not a lot of time!
I hope we can join forces and do something nice for the south american openEHR 
community. We are eager to learn from others that already have openEHR working 
in the real world, and learn from their success and failures.

-- 
Kind regards,
Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
http://cabolabs.com   
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