Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[Joseph Dal Molin]

 From a Skype chat with Molly, apparently 9 NGOs have agreed to 
collaborate on open source promotion etc. Molly was part of this and 
will be providing more details when she gets back to KL.

Joseph

Tim Cook wrote:
> 
> 
> In view of this response to open source at WSIS:
> http://www.consortiuminfo.org/newsblog/blog.php?ID=1755
> 
> I would appreciate anyone that attended WSIS taking the time to give us
> a bit of an overview from your perspective.  It would be nice to that it
> posted on LMN.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[Tim Cook]

In view of this response to open source at WSIS:
http://www.consortiuminfo.org/newsblog/blog.php?ID=1755

I would appreciate anyone that attended WSIS taking the time to give us
a bit of an overview from your perspective.  It would be nice to that it
posted on LMN.


Thanks,
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Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[David Chan]

It's still there: http://oscarmcmaster.org/
SOAP Wizard is not in the CVS code base. I am not sure
where it's at and no one has submitted the code to us
yet!
David

--- "Dr. Matthew Roller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> David,
> 
> Do you know what the status of the Oscar project is?
>  The homepage
> seems to be gone, and I can't find a trace of it at
> the McMaster
> website.
> 
> I wanted to show someone SOAP Wizard.
> 
> On 11/8/05, David Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > I support (that's 5)!
> > David
> >
> > --- Molly Cheah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Tim, Adrian and Fred for your responses.
> I
> > > don't want to flood
> > > the list with individual responses. However,
> > > Christian made a good point
> > > on seeing OSHCA
> > >
> > > "as international umbrella organisation of
> various
> > > national organisations and, of course, of Open
> > > Source Software projects
> > > in the healthcare domain."
> > >
> > > I think this is an excellent idea. My recent
> > > involvement with International funding
> organisations
> > > shows the absence of such an organisation (maybe
> I'm
> > > not aware of one, if it exists). WorldVistA is
> > > wonderful for promoting VistA. In view of the
> MDGs
> > > where health and healthcare plays a crucial
> role,
> > > such a need is now more acutely felt. I was at a
> > > recent meeting (FOSSAP II in Cambodia) attended
> by
> > > some 20 countries in the Asia-Pacific region.
> Their
> > > need for affordable systems is beyond
> description.
> > > The need for funding for customising, deploying,
> > > training, support, research etc of open source
> > > health applications, particularly for primary
> care,
> > > public health and hospitals is so important.
> > > However, I'm seeing individual hospitals,
> healthcare
> > > facilities trying to write proposals for
> > > justifications for funding. Its sad. I can go on
> and
> > > on and on, but I won't.
> > >
> > > Let's have such an organisation focussed on
> > > promoting open source applications in healthcare
> and
> > > then we can prioritise what we need to do.
> Target:
> > > To help achieve the Health MDGs' targets and
> > > goals... They are so well defined and
> achievable.
> > >
> > > I need more than 4 e-mails expressing
> support.
> > > :)
> > >
> > > Rgds,
> > >
> > > Molly
> > >
> > >
> > > Christian Heller wrote:
> > >
> > > >Hi Molly,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Since last week, I had discussed with Brian
> Bray
> > > the transfer of
> > > >>OSHCA.org to OSHCA if we agree to start the
> > > process of reviving OSHCA
> > > >>and he has agreed to this.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >I agree and support the idea, although I will
> not
> > > have the time to
> > > >actively contribute and don't know if I will be
> > > able to attend meetings.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > We can have web-based "meetings"
> > >
> > > >I would prefer to see OSHCA independent from
> AMIA.
> > > It would be another
> > > >thing to have OSHCA as international umbrella
> > > organisation of various
> > > >national organisations and, of course, of Open
> > > Source Software projects
> > > >in the healthcare domain.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks for your initiative,
> > > >Christian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[Fred Trotter]

> We might need an openhealth-talk mailing list, to preserve the bandwidth
> of the main one for things of interest outside OSHCA. I mean lurkers
> don't relish organisational detail.
> Reliability of the list is a necessity, multiplication and dilution are
> already harmful.



Agreed. But lets get to a formal, (as in not initial) committee level before
we split off to a new list. Until that time I think there will be a few
details that regular list members might need to ignore, but I think we need
to stay close to the community at large for the large issues of direction
and purpose. Even after that I think we can make our precense tolerable by
clearly labeling our mail as OSCHA Business...

I know that lists, after a time, simply grow cold. I would much rather have
a list that has too much than two lists with less than enough.

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Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[Nandalal Gunaratne]

Molly,

I wish you all the best, and a happy and productive
time in Tunis. I agree that we should all try hard to
promote Open Source and give it some "legitimacy" in
the eyes of those who have fear and doubt.

We have succeeded to include in our governments
e-government initiative, that they will look at Open
Source solutions along with proprietary ones on an
equal basis.

The Agency setup by the government - the Information
and Communication Technology Agency also accepts the
same and I am in the e-health committee.

How successful this will be in the actual
implementation in the near future, remains to be seen.
The need for some organizations to support open source
ventures is a must.

This goes for all countries as this will become a
country by country, city by city advocacy. Every
city/country who adopt open source successfully will
be a great strength to all others.

Since the future is unknown. let's work for the
present. Your initiative is one of them.

Nandalal

--- Molly Cheah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nandalal,
> 
> Others have responded to your questions. I wouldn't
> worry about OSHCA's 
> impact at this juncture. I wouldn't even worry about
> Governments' 
> responses to the use of open source because judging
> from the trends of 
> its support by the likes of IBM, Intel, Sun etc. its
> a matter of time. I 
> was at a discussion meeting called by a Malaysian
> Govt Agency promoting 
> open source to the public sector, that included the
> attendance by 
> Microsoft, BSA etc. The perceived "reluctance" to
> embrace open source 
> was shown in a survey to be actually due to lack of
> support and 
> maintenance topping the list amongst other reasons.
> And we know Govt 
> depts can't rely on open source gigs to provide
> support and maintenance! 
> At this meeting it was so pathetic to hear the fear
> and worry expressed 
> by the business people who rely on proprietary
> softwares for their 
> business. They forget that they can change their
> business models.
> 
> Just for your information, another NGO I work with
> here received 
> RM300,000 almost after it was formed earlier this
> year for its 
> activities and had been told that we will get
> another RM1million before 
> the end of the year to disburse to our NGO members
> for their projects. 
> This is for tobacco control.
> 
> Rgds,
> Molly
> Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
> 
> >I support this as well, but what does this support
> >mean in the short and long term?
> >
> >In the recent FOSSSL international conference I
> spoke
> >about using Open source in hospitals - Lighting up
> >hospitals with LAMP. But I have very few people
> from
> >government or IT industry supporting these views.
> >
> >What organization can approach governments and
> large
> >corporations to make a strong case for FOSS, that
> is
> >both convincing and acceptable?
> >
> >OSHCA is too small a voice in my opinion and was
> >nearly stilled for good.
> >
> >Nandalal
> >
> >--- David Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>I support (that's 5)!
> >>David
> >>
> >>--- Molly Cheah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Thanks Tim, Adrian and Fred for your responses. I
> >>>don't want to flood 
> >>>the list with individual responses. However,
> >>>Christian made a good point 
> >>>on seeing OSHCA
> >>>
> >>>"as international umbrella organisation of
> various
> >>>national organisations and, of course, of Open
> >>>Source Software projects
> >>>in the healthcare domain."
> >>>
> >>>I think this is an excellent idea. My recent
> >>>involvement with International funding
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>organisations
> >>
> >>
> >>>shows the absence of such an organisation (maybe
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>I'm
> >>
> >>
> >>>not aware of one, if it exists). WorldVistA is
> >>>wonderful for promoting VistA. In view of the
> MDGs
> >>>where health and healthcare plays a crucial role,
> >>>such a need is now more acutely felt. I was at a
> >>>recent meeting (FOSSAP II in Cambodia) attended
> by
> >>>some 20 countries in the Asia-Pacific region.
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>Their
> >>
> >>
> >>>need for affordable systems is beyond
> description.
> >>>The need for funding for customising, deploying,
> >>>training, support, research etc of open source
> >>>health applications, particularly for primary
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>care,
> >>
> >>
> >>>public health and hospitals is so important.
> >>>However, I'm seeing individual hospitals,
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>healthcare
> >>
> >>
> >>>facilities trying to write proposals for
> >>>justifications for funding. Its sad. I can go on
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>and
> >>
> >>
> >>>on and on, but I won't.
> >>>
> >>>Let's have such an organisation focussed on
> >>>promoting open source applications in healthcare
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>and
> >>
> >>
> >>>then we can prioritise what we need to do.
> Target:
> >>>To help achieve the Health MDGs' targets and
> >>>goals... They are so well defined and achievable.
> >>>
> >>>

Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[Adrian Midgley]

On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 14:42 -0700, Fred Trotter wrote:

> I think we should not start a new mailing list. The openhealth list has the
> same goals as the OSHCA organization, and already has considerable
> membership. 

We might need an openhealth-talk mailing list, to preserve the bandwidth
of the main one for things of interest outside OSHCA.  I mean lurkers
don't relish organisational detail.
Reliability of the list is a necessity, multiplication and dilution are
already harmful.

> By the same token I would advise the we not set up a blog.
> Rather we should ask Ignacio to revive the OSCHA section of LinuxMedNews. We
> should not attempt to create a journal, rather we should use JOSMC
> http://www.josmc.org/

Tend to agree.

> Frankly we have too little resources as it is, I would recommend that
> exactly none attempt to compete with exisiting projects. It seems, from the
> responses to working with the oswg, that the internaltional nature of OSHCA
> is critical. If that is true, then we should make that an intentional focus
> since no such organization like that exisits.

Tend to agree.

> Ultimately what we need to move our community forward is collaboration,
> publicity, research, development, and, most important, funding to make
> everything else happen. At least those are the goals of OSHCA as I see them.

Funding would be nice, but tends to take us into having projects...
rather than beeing a meeting of people's projects.  It would be nice to
have but the organisation will have a different flavour and constraints.

-- 
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Re: OSHCA V2.0 (was) Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[Jubal John]

When the OSCHA 2 is launched, can I suggest that there be a little 
background information of the key people involved (on the website). I 
know I could probably glean enough by googling, but it would give a nice 
perspective for those unfamiliar with OSCHA. A picture would be a nice 
touch!

Sorry if I digress..
Jubal

Joseph Dal Molin wrote:

> Molly,
>
> You can count me in for the "committee"... I have also exchanged email
> with Mike McCoy and he is willing to lend a hand. For those on this list
> who don't know Mike, he recently retired as the CIO of the UCLA Medical
> Centre and Medical School. He sponsored OSHCA 2002 in Los Angeles and is
> a strong, passionate and influential supporter of open source in
> health...and he is an MD.
>
> Joseph
>
> Molly Cheah wrote:
> > Fred,
> >
> > I agree I need a host of other things beyond expression of support. I
> > wasn't sure if there is even interest in reviving OSHCA. I believe the
> > OSHCA mailling at linuxmedicalnews is no longer there I was hoping
> > to pool opinions on the "what next" during this meet in Tunis as well as
> > from this list as expressed and prioritise them. Remember there will be
> > lots of opinions and different ones too, including disagreements 
> > :). So I'm taking one step at a time. I would also like to survey the
> > interests of the funding agencies especially the UN agencies which will
> > no doubt be entrusted to meet the MDGs' set targets to see where OSHCA
> > would fit in best to deliver.
> >
> > So, keep the ideas and opinions coming in, including volunteering for
> > the initial committee. (You can e-mail me privately if you are shy).
> > I'll collate them while on the road or better still if somebody can do
> > that while I'm on the way (long hours to get there...) and e-mail me,
> > I'll be most pleased.
> >
> > Rgds,
> > Molly
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OSHCA V2.0 (was) Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Molly,

You can count me in for the "committee"... I have also exchanged email 
with Mike McCoy and he is willing to lend a hand. For those on this list 
who don't know Mike, he recently retired as the CIO of the UCLA Medical 
Centre and Medical School. He sponsored OSHCA 2002 in Los Angeles and is 
a strong, passionate and influential supporter of open source in 
health...and he is an MD.

Joseph

Molly Cheah wrote:
> Fred,
> 
> I agree I need a host of other things beyond expression of support. I
> wasn't sure if there is even interest in reviving OSHCA. I believe the
> OSHCA mailling at linuxmedicalnews is no longer there I was hoping
> to pool opinions on the "what next" during this meet in Tunis as well as
> from this list as expressed and prioritise them. Remember there will be
> lots of opinions and different ones too, including disagreements 
> :). So I'm taking one step at a time. I would also like to survey the
> interests of the funding agencies especially the UN agencies which will
> no doubt be entrusted to meet the MDGs' set targets to see where OSHCA
> would fit in best to deliver.
> 
> So, keep the ideas and opinions coming in, including volunteering for
> the initial committee. (You can e-mail me privately if you are shy).
> I'll collate them while on the road or better still if somebody can do
> that while I'm on the way (long hours to get there...) and e-mail me,
> I'll be most pleased.
> 
> Rgds,
> Molly


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Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[Fred Trotter]

I agree 100%...

I also do not want OSHCA to replicate other FOSS medical resources...

-FT

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>
> Fred --
>
> Do we need yet another mailing list? Can't we just use
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> lazy and just use an existing service?
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Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[Molly Cheah]

Nandalal,

Others have responded to your questions. I wouldn't worry about OSHCA's 
impact at this juncture. I wouldn't even worry about Governments' 
responses to the use of open source because judging from the trends of 
its support by the likes of IBM, Intel, Sun etc. its a matter of time. I 
was at a discussion meeting called by a Malaysian Govt Agency promoting 
open source to the public sector, that included the attendance by 
Microsoft, BSA etc. The perceived "reluctance" to embrace open source 
was shown in a survey to be actually due to lack of support and 
maintenance topping the list amongst other reasons. And we know Govt 
depts can't rely on open source gigs to provide support and maintenance! 
At this meeting it was so pathetic to hear the fear and worry expressed 
by the business people who rely on proprietary softwares for their 
business. They forget that they can change their business models.

Just for your information, another NGO I work with here received 
RM300,000 almost after it was formed earlier this year for its 
activities and had been told that we will get another RM1million before 
the end of the year to disburse to our NGO members for their projects. 
This is for tobacco control.

Rgds,
Molly
Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:

>I support this as well, but what does this support
>mean in the short and long term?
>
>In the recent FOSSSL international conference I spoke
>about using Open source in hospitals - Lighting up
>hospitals with LAMP. But I have very few people from
>government or IT industry supporting these views.
>
>What organization can approach governments and large
>corporations to make a strong case for FOSS, that is
>both convincing and acceptable?
>
>OSHCA is too small a voice in my opinion and was
>nearly stilled for good.
>
>Nandalal
>
>--- David Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I support (that's 5)!
>>David
>>
>>--- Molly Cheah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Thanks Tim, Adrian and Fred for your responses. I
>>>don't want to flood 
>>>the list with individual responses. However,
>>>Christian made a good point 
>>>on seeing OSHCA
>>>
>>>"as international umbrella organisation of various
>>>national organisations and, of course, of Open
>>>Source Software projects
>>>in the healthcare domain."
>>>
>>>I think this is an excellent idea. My recent
>>>involvement with International funding
>>>  
>>>
>>organisations
>>
>>
>>>shows the absence of such an organisation (maybe
>>>  
>>>
>>I'm
>>
>>
>>>not aware of one, if it exists). WorldVistA is
>>>wonderful for promoting VistA. In view of the MDGs
>>>where health and healthcare plays a crucial role,
>>>such a need is now more acutely felt. I was at a
>>>recent meeting (FOSSAP II in Cambodia) attended by
>>>some 20 countries in the Asia-Pacific region.
>>>  
>>>
>>Their
>>
>>
>>>need for affordable systems is beyond description.
>>>The need for funding for customising, deploying,
>>>training, support, research etc of open source
>>>health applications, particularly for primary
>>>  
>>>
>>care,
>>
>>
>>>public health and hospitals is so important.
>>>However, I'm seeing individual hospitals,
>>>  
>>>
>>healthcare
>>
>>
>>>facilities trying to write proposals for
>>>justifications for funding. Its sad. I can go on
>>>  
>>>
>>and
>>
>>
>>>on and on, but I won't.
>>>
>>>Let's have such an organisation focussed on
>>>promoting open source applications in healthcare
>>>  
>>>
>>and
>>
>>
>>>then we can prioritise what we need to do. Target:
>>>To help achieve the Health MDGs' targets and
>>>goals... They are so well defined and achievable.
>>>
>>>I need more than 4 e-mails expressing support.
>>>:)
>>>
>>>Rgds,
>>>
>>>Molly
>>>
>>>
>>>Christian Heller wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
Hi Molly,

 



>Since last week, I had discussed with Brian Bray
>  
>
>>>the transfer of 
>>>  
>>>
>OSHCA.org to OSHCA if we agree to start the
>  
>
>>>process of reviving OSHCA 
>>>  
>>>
>and he has agreed to this.
>   
>
>  
>
I agree and support the idea, although I will not


>>>have the time to
>>>  
>>>
actively contribute and don't know if I will be


>>>able to attend meetings.
>>>  
>>>
 



>>>We can have web-based "meetings"
>>>
>>>  
>>>
I would prefer to see OSHCA independent from


>>AMIA.
>>
>>
>>>It would be another
>>>  
>>>
thing to have OSHCA as international umbrella


>>>organisation of various
>>>  
>>>
national organisations and, of course, of Open


>>>Source Software projects
>>>  
>>>
in the healthcare domain.

Thanks for your initiative,
Christian


 



>>>  
>>>
>>David H Chan, MD, CCFP, MSc, FCFP
>>Associate Professor
>>Department of Famil

Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[K.S. Bhaskar]

Fred --

Do we need yet another mailing list?  Can't we just use
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  And if we need a new list, shouldn't we be
lazy and just use an existing service?

- Bhaskar

On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 15:42 -0600, Fred Trotter wrote:
> Obviously I would love to help, as an intial committee member, or in
> any 
> other fashion as appropriate.
> 
> I think we should not start a new mailing list. The openhealth list
> has the 
> same goals as the OSHCA organization, and already has considerable 
> membership. By the same token I would advise the we not set up a
> blog. 
> Rather we should ask Ignacio to revive the OSCHA section of
> LinuxMedNews. We 
> should not attempt to create a journal, rather we should use JOSMC 
> http://www.josmc.org/
> 
> Frankly we have too little resources as it is, I would recommend that 
> exactly none attempt to compete with exisiting projects. It seems,
> from the 
> responses to working with the oswg, that the internaltional nature of
> OSHCA 
> is critical. If that is true, then we should make that an intentional
> focus 
> since no such organization like that exisits.
> 
> Ultimately what we need to move our community forward is
> collaboration, 
> publicity, research, development, and, most important, funding to
> make 
> everything else happen. At least those are the goals of OSHCA as I see
> them.
> 
> 
> What does everyone else think? If we could draft a quick mission
> statement, 
> we might be able to narrow our focus and increase our probablity for 
> success.
> 
> Regards, 
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Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[Fred Trotter]

Obviously I would love to help, as an intial committee member, or in any
other fashion as appropriate.

I think we should not start a new mailing list. The openhealth list has the
same goals as the OSHCA organization, and already has considerable
membership. By the same token I would advise the we not set up a blog.
Rather we should ask Ignacio to revive the OSCHA section of LinuxMedNews. We
should not attempt to create a journal, rather we should use JOSMC
http://www.josmc.org/

Frankly we have too little resources as it is, I would recommend that
exactly none attempt to compete with exisiting projects. It seems, from the
responses to working with the oswg, that the internaltional nature of OSHCA
is critical. If that is true, then we should make that an intentional focus
since no such organization like that exisits.

Ultimately what we need to move our community forward is collaboration,
publicity, research, development, and, most important, funding to make
everything else happen. At least those are the goals of OSHCA as I see them.


What does everyone else think? If we could draft a quick mission statement,
we might be able to narrow our focus and increase our probablity for
success.

Regards,
Fred Trotter

On 11/9/05, Molly Cheah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Fred,
>
> I agree I need a host of other things beyond expression of support. I
> wasn't sure if there is even interest in reviving OSHCA. I believe the
> OSHCA mailling at linuxmedicalnews is no longer there I was hoping
> to pool opinions on the "what next" during this meet in Tunis as well as
> from this list as expressed and prioritise them. Remember there will be
> lots of opinions and different ones too, including disagreements 
> :). So I'm taking one step at a time. I would also like to survey the
> interests of the funding agencies especially the UN agencies which will
> no doubt be entrusted to meet the MDGs' set targets to see where OSHCA
> would fit in best to deliver.
>
> So, keep the ideas and opinions coming in, including volunteering for
> the initial committee. (You can e-mail me privately if you are shy).
> I'll collate them while on the road or better still if somebody can do
> that while I'm on the way (long hours to get there...) and e-mail me,
> I'll be most pleased.
>
> Rgds,
> Molly
> Fred Trotter wrote:
>
> >Molly,
> >It seems like you have gotten quite a few more than 4 emails! But I think
> >you mean that you need more help then just votes of support!
> >
> >Could you tell us what you do need? If you were to take the lead and
> simply
> >sort out what needs to be done I am sure that different members of this
> >group could donate the help! Do we need hosting? Fund raising? Should we
> put
> >out the call for an informal intial board? A conference would be a great
> >initial step, is there a way to get that to happen cheaply? Should we
> start
> >with some kind of virtual conference?
> >
> >Give us some direction and we might be able to give you some help.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Fred Trotter
> >
> >
> >I need more than 4 e-mails expressing support. :)
> >
> >
> >>Rgds,
> >>
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Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[Molly Cheah]

Fred,

I agree I need a host of other things beyond expression of support. I 
wasn't sure if there is even interest in reviving OSHCA. I believe the 
OSHCA mailling at linuxmedicalnews is no longer there I was hoping 
to pool opinions on the "what next" during this meet in Tunis as well as 
from this list as expressed and prioritise them. Remember there will be 
lots of opinions and different ones too, including disagreements  
:). So I'm taking one step at a time. I would also like to survey the 
interests of the funding agencies especially the UN agencies which will 
no doubt be entrusted to meet the MDGs' set targets to see where OSHCA 
would fit in best to deliver.

So, keep the ideas and opinions coming in, including volunteering for 
the initial committee. (You can e-mail me privately if you are shy). 
I'll collate them while on the road or better still if somebody can do 
that while I'm on the way (long hours to get there...) and e-mail me, 
I'll be most pleased.

Rgds,
Molly
Fred Trotter wrote:

>Molly,
>It seems like you have gotten quite a few more than 4 emails! But I think
>you mean that you need more help then just votes of support!
>
>Could you tell us what you do need? If you were to take the lead and simply
>sort out what needs to be done I am sure that different members of this
>group could donate the help! Do we need hosting? Fund raising? Should we put
>out the call for an informal intial board? A conference would be a great
>initial step, is there a way to get that to happen cheaply? Should we start
>with some kind of virtual conference?
>
>Give us some direction and we might be able to give you some help.
>
>Regards,
>Fred Trotter
>
>
>I need more than 4 e-mails expressing support. :)
>  
>
>>Rgds,
>>
>>Molly
>>
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Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[Fred Trotter]

Molly,
It seems like you have gotten quite a few more than 4 emails! But I think
you mean that you need more help then just votes of support!

Could you tell us what you do need? If you were to take the lead and simply
sort out what needs to be done I am sure that different members of this
group could donate the help! Do we need hosting? Fund raising? Should we put
out the call for an informal intial board? A conference would be a great
initial step, is there a way to get that to happen cheaply? Should we start
with some kind of virtual conference?

Give us some direction and we might be able to give you some help.

Regards,
Fred Trotter


I need more than 4 e-mails expressing support. :)
>
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Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[Joseph Dal Molin]

I agree enthusiastically with Adrian's advice assuming that one of the 
goals for OSHCA is being a catalyst for change.

Building on these thoughts a first order of business would be a frank 
discussion of what we did right and what could be improved on vis a vis 
the first iteration of OSHCA. What would be necessary to attract and 
retain the kinds of people needed to make it effective?

Joseph

Adrian Midgley wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 00:06 -0800, Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
> 
>  > In the recent FOSSSL international conference I spoke
>  > about using Open source in hospitals - Lighting up
>  > hospitals with LAMP. But I have very few people from
>  > government or IT industry supporting these views.
> 
> We need some CEOs and CIOs, or at least one of each, in order to engage
> others and in order to include their understanding of the problems and
> benefits.
> 
> Even finding _some_ supportive ones is a good start.  Inducting them or
> arranging to brief them would be a good thing. 
> 
> One specific benefit of the OpenHealth list, from the start, was that it
> was a place where such people could observe the OSS movement.
> 
>  > What organization can approach governments and large
>  > corporations to make a strong case for FOSS, that is
>  > both convincing and acceptable?
> 
> In the UK there is the National Computing Centre in Manchester, which is
> a member of the Open FOrum, a European grouping of suppliers etc.  They
> have connections into the office of the deputy prime minister, the
> Office of Gov Commerce (OGC) and with the government CIO Mr Watmore.
> I have a contact there.
> 
> Similar conditions no doubt apply in other countries, and collecting
> together information on them and sharing them as well as sharing
> approaches would be a fitting activity for OSCHA.
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Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[Adrian Midgley]

On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 00:06 -0800, Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:

> In the recent FOSSSL international conference I spoke
> about using Open source in hospitals - Lighting up
> hospitals with LAMP. But I have very few people from
> government or IT industry supporting these views.

We need some CEOs and CIOs, or at least one of each, in order to engage
others and in order to include their understanding of the problems and
benefits.

Even finding _some_ supportive ones is a good start.  Inducting them or
arranging to brief them would be a good thing.  

One specific benefit of the OpenHealth list, from the start, was that it
was a place where such people could observe the OSS movement.

> What organization can approach governments and large
> corporations to make a strong case for FOSS, that is
> both convincing and acceptable?

In the UK there is the National Computing Centre in Manchester, which is
a member of the Open FOrum, a European grouping of suppliers etc.  They
have connections into the office of the deputy prime minister, the
Office of Gov Commerce (OGC) and with the government CIO Mr Watmore.
I have a contact there.

Similar conditions no doubt apply in other countries, and collecting
together information on them and sharing them as well as sharing
approaches would be a fitting activity for OSCHA.


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Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[K.S. Bhaskar]

On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 18:33 -0600, Molly Cheah wrote:

[KSB] <...snip...>

> I need more than 4 e-mails expressing support. :)
> 
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> 
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Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[Nandalal Gunaratne]

I support this as well, but what does this support
mean in the short and long term?

In the recent FOSSSL international conference I spoke
about using Open source in hospitals - Lighting up
hospitals with LAMP. But I have very few people from
government or IT industry supporting these views.

What organization can approach governments and large
corporations to make a strong case for FOSS, that is
both convincing and acceptable?

OSHCA is too small a voice in my opinion and was
nearly stilled for good.

Nandalal

--- David Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I support (that's 5)!
> David
> 
> --- Molly Cheah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Tim, Adrian and Fred for your responses. I
> > don't want to flood 
> > the list with individual responses. However,
> > Christian made a good point 
> > on seeing OSHCA
> > 
> > "as international umbrella organisation of various
> > national organisations and, of course, of Open
> > Source Software projects
> > in the healthcare domain."
> > 
> > I think this is an excellent idea. My recent
> > involvement with International funding
> organisations
> > shows the absence of such an organisation (maybe
> I'm
> > not aware of one, if it exists). WorldVistA is
> > wonderful for promoting VistA. In view of the MDGs
> > where health and healthcare plays a crucial role,
> > such a need is now more acutely felt. I was at a
> > recent meeting (FOSSAP II in Cambodia) attended by
> > some 20 countries in the Asia-Pacific region.
> Their
> > need for affordable systems is beyond description.
> > The need for funding for customising, deploying,
> > training, support, research etc of open source
> > health applications, particularly for primary
> care,
> > public health and hospitals is so important.
> > However, I'm seeing individual hospitals,
> healthcare
> > facilities trying to write proposals for
> > justifications for funding. Its sad. I can go on
> and
> > on and on, but I won't.
> > 
> > Let's have such an organisation focussed on
> > promoting open source applications in healthcare
> and
> > then we can prioritise what we need to do. Target:
> > To help achieve the Health MDGs' targets and
> > goals... They are so well defined and achievable.
> > 
> > I need more than 4 e-mails expressing support.
> > :)
> > 
> > Rgds,
> > 
> > Molly
> > 
> > 
> > Christian Heller wrote:
> > 
> > >Hi Molly,
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >>Since last week, I had discussed with Brian Bray
> > the transfer of 
> > >>OSHCA.org to OSHCA if we agree to start the
> > process of reviving OSHCA 
> > >>and he has agreed to this.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >I agree and support the idea, although I will not
> > have the time to
> > >actively contribute and don't know if I will be
> > able to attend meetings.
> > >  
> > >
> > We can have web-based "meetings"
> > 
> > >I would prefer to see OSHCA independent from
> AMIA.
> > It would be another
> > >thing to have OSHCA as international umbrella
> > organisation of various
> > >national organisations and, of course, of Open
> > Source Software projects
> > >in the healthcare domain.
> > >
> > >Thanks for your initiative,
> > >Christian
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > 
> > 
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Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[Dr. Matthew Roller]

David,

Do you know what the status of the Oscar project is?  The homepage
seems to be gone, and I can't find a trace of it at the McMaster
website.

I wanted to show someone SOAP Wizard.

On 11/8/05, David Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I support (that's 5)!
> David
>
> --- Molly Cheah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Tim, Adrian and Fred for your responses. I
> > don't want to flood
> > the list with individual responses. However,
> > Christian made a good point
> > on seeing OSHCA
> >
> > "as international umbrella organisation of various
> > national organisations and, of course, of Open
> > Source Software projects
> > in the healthcare domain."
> >
> > I think this is an excellent idea. My recent
> > involvement with International funding organisations
> > shows the absence of such an organisation (maybe I'm
> > not aware of one, if it exists). WorldVistA is
> > wonderful for promoting VistA. In view of the MDGs
> > where health and healthcare plays a crucial role,
> > such a need is now more acutely felt. I was at a
> > recent meeting (FOSSAP II in Cambodia) attended by
> > some 20 countries in the Asia-Pacific region. Their
> > need for affordable systems is beyond description.
> > The need for funding for customising, deploying,
> > training, support, research etc of open source
> > health applications, particularly for primary care,
> > public health and hospitals is so important.
> > However, I'm seeing individual hospitals, healthcare
> > facilities trying to write proposals for
> > justifications for funding. Its sad. I can go on and
> > on and on, but I won't.
> >
> > Let's have such an organisation focussed on
> > promoting open source applications in healthcare and
> > then we can prioritise what we need to do. Target:
> > To help achieve the Health MDGs' targets and
> > goals... They are so well defined and achievable.
> >
> > I need more than 4 e-mails expressing support.
> > :)
> >
> > Rgds,
> >
> > Molly
> >
> >
> > Christian Heller wrote:
> >
> > >Hi Molly,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Since last week, I had discussed with Brian Bray
> > the transfer of
> > >>OSHCA.org to OSHCA if we agree to start the
> > process of reviving OSHCA
> > >>and he has agreed to this.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >I agree and support the idea, although I will not
> > have the time to
> > >actively contribute and don't know if I will be
> > able to attend meetings.
> > >
> > >
> > We can have web-based "meetings"
> >
> > >I would prefer to see OSHCA independent from AMIA.
> > It would be another
> > >thing to have OSHCA as international umbrella
> > organisation of various
> > >national organisations and, of course, of Open
> > Source Software projects
> > >in the healthcare domain.
> > >
> > >Thanks for your initiative,
> > >Christian
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[David Chan]

I support (that's 5)!
David

--- Molly Cheah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks Tim, Adrian and Fred for your responses. I
> don't want to flood 
> the list with individual responses. However,
> Christian made a good point 
> on seeing OSHCA
> 
> "as international umbrella organisation of various
> national organisations and, of course, of Open
> Source Software projects
> in the healthcare domain."
> 
> I think this is an excellent idea. My recent
> involvement with International funding organisations
> shows the absence of such an organisation (maybe I'm
> not aware of one, if it exists). WorldVistA is
> wonderful for promoting VistA. In view of the MDGs
> where health and healthcare plays a crucial role,
> such a need is now more acutely felt. I was at a
> recent meeting (FOSSAP II in Cambodia) attended by
> some 20 countries in the Asia-Pacific region. Their
> need for affordable systems is beyond description.
> The need for funding for customising, deploying,
> training, support, research etc of open source
> health applications, particularly for primary care,
> public health and hospitals is so important.
> However, I'm seeing individual hospitals, healthcare
> facilities trying to write proposals for
> justifications for funding. Its sad. I can go on and
> on and on, but I won't.
> 
> Let's have such an organisation focussed on
> promoting open source applications in healthcare and
> then we can prioritise what we need to do. Target:
> To help achieve the Health MDGs' targets and
> goals... They are so well defined and achievable.
> 
> I need more than 4 e-mails expressing support.
> :)
> 
> Rgds,
> 
> Molly
> 
> 
> Christian Heller wrote:
> 
> >Hi Molly,
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Since last week, I had discussed with Brian Bray
> the transfer of 
> >>OSHCA.org to OSHCA if we agree to start the
> process of reviving OSHCA 
> >>and he has agreed to this.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I agree and support the idea, although I will not
> have the time to
> >actively contribute and don't know if I will be
> able to attend meetings.
> >  
> >
> We can have web-based "meetings"
> 
> >I would prefer to see OSHCA independent from AMIA.
> It would be another
> >thing to have OSHCA as international umbrella
> organisation of various
> >national organisations and, of course, of Open
> Source Software projects
> >in the healthcare domain.
> >
> >Thanks for your initiative,
> >Christian
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 


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Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[Molly Cheah]

Thanks Tim, Adrian and Fred for your responses. I don't want to flood 
the list with individual responses. However, Christian made a good point 
on seeing OSHCA

"as international umbrella organisation of various
national organisations and, of course, of Open Source Software projects
in the healthcare domain."

I think this is an excellent idea. My recent involvement with International 
funding organisations shows the absence of such an organisation (maybe I'm not 
aware of one, if it exists). WorldVistA is wonderful for promoting VistA. In 
view of the MDGs where health and healthcare plays a crucial role, such a need 
is now more acutely felt. I was at a recent meeting (FOSSAP II in Cambodia) 
attended by some 20 countries in the Asia-Pacific region. Their need for 
affordable systems is beyond description. The need for funding for customising, 
deploying, training, support, research etc of open source health applications, 
particularly for primary care, public health and hospitals is so important. 
However, I'm seeing individual hospitals, healthcare facilities trying to write 
proposals for justifications for funding. Its sad. I can go on and on and on, 
but I won't.

Let's have such an organisation focussed on promoting open source applications 
in healthcare and then we can prioritise what we need to do. Target: To help 
achieve the Health MDGs' targets and goals... They are so well defined and 
achievable.

I need more than 4 e-mails expressing support. :)

Rgds,

Molly


Christian Heller wrote:

>Hi Molly,
>
>  
>
>>Since last week, I had discussed with Brian Bray the transfer of 
>>OSHCA.org to OSHCA if we agree to start the process of reviving OSHCA 
>>and he has agreed to this.
>>
>>
>
>I agree and support the idea, although I will not have the time to
>actively contribute and don't know if I will be able to attend meetings.
>  
>
We can have web-based "meetings"

>I would prefer to see OSHCA independent from AMIA. It would be another
>thing to have OSHCA as international umbrella organisation of various
>national organisations and, of course, of Open Source Software projects
>in the healthcare domain.
>
>Thanks for your initiative,
>Christian
>
>
>  
>



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Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[Joseph Dal Molin]

I agree wholeheartedly with Christian's suggestion that OSHCA remain an 
independent "umbrella" organization. The vision for OSHCA when it was 
first formed was that of a "meeting place" and a community of 
communities. This vision is still very valid IMHO, and the need even 
greater now that there is some real progress and much more credibility 
for open source in health.

Cheers,


Joseph



Christian Heller wrote:
>
> I would prefer to see OSHCA independent from AMIA. It would be another
> thing to have OSHCA as international umbrella organisation of various
> national organisations and, of course, of Open Source Software projects
> in the healthcare domain.
> 
> Thanks for your initiative,
> Christian
> 
> .


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Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[Christian Heller]

Hi Molly,

> Since last week, I had discussed with Brian Bray the transfer of 
> OSHCA.org to OSHCA if we agree to start the process of reviving OSHCA 
> and he has agreed to this.

I agree and support the idea, although I will not have the time to
actively contribute and don't know if I will be able to attend meetings.

I would prefer to see OSHCA independent from AMIA. It would be another
thing to have OSHCA as international umbrella organisation of various
national organisations and, of course, of Open Source Software projects
in the healthcare domain.

Thanks for your initiative,
Christian


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Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[Fred Trotter]

I think a revival of OSCHA is an excellent idea. I would recommend that you
consider partnering with the Open Source Working Group of the AMIA. Which
has filled the gap for a watering-hole in OSCHAs abcense. There is no reason
why these sister organizations cannot share resources.

Regards,
Fred Trotter

On 11/8/05, Molly Cheah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> It's almost 2 years since we last annnouced on this list about meeting
> up of those who were attending WSIS Geneva Phase. I will be attending
> the WSIS Tunis Phase from 13th November till 20th November. I am
> wondering if anyone else from this list is going to be there so that we
> can meet?
>
> This year appears to have more parallel activities on discussing open
> source. Health MDGs also feature strongly. In order to achieve the
> targets of the MDGs, we needeffective tools and I wonder if this summit
> can provide the opportune timing to discuss the ?revival of OSHCA. We
> need an open source healthcare platform to move the MDGs' agenda.
>
> Since last week, I had discussed with Brian Bray the transfer of
> OSHCA.org to OSHCA if we agree to start the process of reviving OSHCA
> and he has agreed to this.
>
> I haven't scheduled a definitive date and time for this meeting and I
> would be happy to take the lead to organise this and carry it forward,
> if there is support for the idea. My posting this is to gauge the
> response to this idea. You can also e-mail me privately. I will be
> contactable at the "Sharing the Future" Pavilion No: 1307.1
>
> > http://www.mediacoding.ch/ottofrei/tunis/map3/
>
> Rgds,
>
> Molly
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: [openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[Adrian Midgley]

On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 16:48 +0800, Molly Cheah wrote:

> It's almost 2 years since we last annnouced on this list about meeting 
> up of those who were attending WSIS Geneva Phase. I will be attending 
> the WSIS Tunis Phase from 13th November till 20th November. I am 
> wondering if anyone else from this list is going to be there so that  we 
> can meet?

Alas, I don't think I can make it to Tunis.

> Since last week, I had discussed with Brian Bray the transfer of 
> OSHCA.org to OSHCA if we agree to start the process of reviving OSHCA 
> and he has agreed to this.

Good.

> I haven't scheduled a definitive date and time for this meeting and I 
> would be happy to take the lead to organise this and carry it forward, 
> if there is support for the idea.

Applause Molly, thanks.


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[openhealth] WSIS Tunis

[Molly Cheah]

Hi!

It's almost 2 years since we last annnouced on this list about meeting 
up of those who were attending WSIS Geneva Phase. I will be attending 
the WSIS Tunis Phase from 13th November till 20th November. I am 
wondering if anyone else from this list is going to be there so that  we 
can meet?

This year appears to have more parallel activities on discussing open 
source. Health MDGs also feature strongly. In order to achieve the 
targets of the MDGs, we needeffective tools and I wonder if this summit 
can provide the opportune timing to discuss the ?revival of OSHCA. We 
need an open source healthcare platform to move the MDGs' agenda.

Since last week, I had discussed with Brian Bray the transfer of 
OSHCA.org to OSHCA if we agree to start the process of reviving OSHCA 
and he has agreed to this.

I haven't scheduled a definitive date and time for this meeting and I 
would be happy to take the lead to organise this and carry it forward, 
if there is support for the idea. My posting this is to gauge the 
response to this idea. You can also e-mail me privately. I will be 
contactable at the  "Sharing the Future" Pavilion No: 1307.1 

> http://www.mediacoding.ch/ottofrei/tunis/map3/

Rgds,

Molly


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