Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Damian Wojsław]

Hi guys

Do you want to tell me that last year, during which I have done  
everything to promote OpenIndiana in my local Open and Free software  
community, is going to be wasted? No one and I really mean no one will  
ever take a second look again if I have to go yet another round of  
"So, this *was* OpenSolaris and it *was* OpenIndiana, now it is  
SomeOtherShit."


On the other hand, is branding/naming/whatever more important than  
features, fixes and enhancements?




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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[dennis sexton]

on Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:55:25 -0400 Gordon Ross wrote

> How about FlareOS (offshoot of the Sun)

I think just "Flare" is an intriguing suggestion.
I don't think it has to end with O S.

flare is most likely owned by EMC since that is what they call the software that
runs on their Clariion array service processors



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Doug Hughes]

On 6/21/2011 8:00 PM, Blake wrote:

My coworker just suggested Nova

I like this too - implies both the Sun exploding and things being made new
:)


or, "doesn't go" in Spanish. ;)

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[OpenIndiana-discuss] oracle removes 32bit x86 cpu support for solaris 11 will OI do same?

[Edward Martinez]

Hi,

Upgraded to OI 151 things for OI are looking better with each release.:-)
I have a question, it appears Oracle has removed 32 bit hardware support 
for the x86 CPU for solaris 11.  so if oracle
do release solaris code after solaris 11 is out, it will most likely 
only for 64bit only. so my question is if
things do indeed go that way will OI continue 32bit support in future oi 
releases or do 64bit only to hold some compatibility with solaris 11 or 
will I have to toss out my Pentium m laptop along with other units.





   Functionality:


   * 32-bit Kernel click here to expand or collapse

 Support for the 32-bit only x86 hardware has been removed. 
Support for running 32-bit applications and libraries will continue


 
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/systems/end-of-notices/eonsolaris11-392732.html

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Blake]

My coworker just suggested Nova

I like this too - implies both the Sun exploding and things being made new
:)



On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Paul Gress  wrote:

> On 06/21/11 12:30 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 22:46 -0400, Paul Gress wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/20/11 10:32 PM, Magnus wrote:
>>>
 On Jun 20, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Tim Aslat wrote:

> How about FlareOS (offshoot of the Sun)
>
 Mithros.org is available. I intentionally didn't capitalize the "os".
 It's less awkward to read and to pronounce.

 There are some tenuous connections between Mithras&   Sol, the Sun God,
 in ancient Roman art. But it's a simple name, and the domain is available.
 Don't be a b*d and squat on this name if it's not going to be for the
 productive use of this project. ;)


>>> "Moonshine". It goes along with Celestial objects (Moon), and Shine as in
>>> Rays of Sun.  Also programming at night.
>>>
>> Not to mention bootleg liquor!!
>>
>>
>>  Also you mentioned the Sun has set.  That's why the Moon Shines.
>
> Paul
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Paul Gress]

On 06/21/11 12:30 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:

On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 22:46 -0400, Paul Gress wrote:

On 06/20/11 10:32 PM, Magnus wrote:

On Jun 20, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Tim Aslat wrote:

How about FlareOS (offshoot of the Sun)

Mithros.org is available. I intentionally didn't capitalize the "os". It's less 
awkward to read and to pronounce.

There are some tenuous connections between Mithras&   Sol, the Sun God, in 
ancient Roman art. But it's a simple name, and the domain is available. Don't be a 
b*d and squat on this name if it's not going to be for the productive use of 
this project. ;)



"Moonshine". It goes along with Celestial objects (Moon), and Shine as in Rays 
of Sun.  Also programming at night.

Not to mention bootleg liquor!!



Also you mentioned the Sun has set.  That's why the Moon Shines.

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Volker A. Brandt]

Hi Blake!


You wrote:
> I know that it may seem trivial, but as I look around me, Ubuntu is taking
> over the systems world, and it's not because it's the best-engineered OS.
>  It's because it's approachable to people with little experience, because it
> makes it easy for them to learn the OS, and because the name is memorable.

That depends on how you define "systems world".  I don't know anyone
who uses Ubuntu.  I do know a number of people who use CentOS.  I know
many more who use Mac OS X.

> I don't want this project to suffer the fate of Sun, a company with
> brilliant engineers and technology that never got widely adopted because
> they couldn't communicate to a broader audience.

H... if it had been that easy, I think Sun would have done it.
Water under the bridge, though.
 
But please don't harbor any illusions that it will ever come to a wide-
spread adoption of Illumos/OI.  It will not.  This project will live on
as long as there are people interested in working on it, not just using
it.  That's good.  I can live with that.

> I'll jump off this thread for a while now, to save your delete finger some
> effort :D

(rubbing finger now :-)


Regards -- Volker
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Ken Gunderson]

On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 07:09 +1000, Matt Connolly wrote:
> On 21/06/2011, at 3:54 PM, Ken Gunderson  wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 23:03 -0600, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 19:58 -0700, Marion Hakanson wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I also happen to think "illumos" is an excellent name.  Use it everywhere.
> >> 
> >> Uh... Excuse me, but what have you been smoking?  Drinking, maybe?
> >> I think Illumos is a pretty lame name, nothing against the people who
> >> chose it.  I kind of like OpenIndiana, particularly when contracted to
> >> "oi", as compared to Illumos in that at least it conveys that this is
> >> supposed to be an "Open" project (although "Open" has been so misused by
> >> marketroids trying to cash in on the Open Source phenom that in more
> >> recent times its use has almost become a red flag, particularly
> >> following the Orcale OpenSolaris fiasco).  
> >> 
> >> But all that is neither here nor there.  The point is that your idea
> >> was/is lame.  And that your mother probably dresses you funny...
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> > P.S.; In the event it may have been less than obvious... above was
> > intended to be taken with a sense of humor ;-P
> > 
> > -- 
> > Regards-- Ken Gunderson
> 
> Odd sense of humour, Ken... :/

Perhaps.  But can we please get back to the bike shed now??


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Blake]

I know that it may seem trivial, but as I look around me, Ubuntu is taking
over the systems world, and it's not because it's the best-engineered OS.
 It's because it's approachable to people with little experience, because it
makes it easy for them to learn the OS, and because the name is memorable.

I don't want this project to suffer the fate of Sun, a company with
brilliant engineers and technology that never got widely adopted because
they couldn't communicate to a broader audience.

I'll jump off this thread for a while now, to save your delete finger some
effort :D


Blake

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Volker A. Brandt  wrote:

> Hello all!
>
>
> As my finger slowly turns red from pressing the d key again and again
> (yes, Emacs VM, the One True MUA, uses d to delete mails), I keep asking
> myself:  Does anyone really think that OI (and by extension Illumos)
> will be used or even looked at more just because it is renamed according
> to the naming-scheme-du-jour?
>
> Come on.  Illumos is a great name.  Us in-people know how it came
> about, and the rest just don't care.  OpenIndiana was perfectly
> logical at the time, too.
>
> "Linux" is not the greatest of names either.  It became what it is
> today for any number of reasons, but not because of the name.
>
> Should the domain names, the infrastructure, the mailing lists, etc.
> etc. all given up because of some fleeting hope of attracting one
> more n00b?
>
> There must be some more pressing issues.
>
>
> Regards -- Volker
> --
> 
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Volker A. Brandt]

Hello all!


As my finger slowly turns red from pressing the d key again and again
(yes, Emacs VM, the One True MUA, uses d to delete mails), I keep asking
myself:  Does anyone really think that OI (and by extension Illumos) 
will be used or even looked at more just because it is renamed according
to the naming-scheme-du-jour?

Come on.  Illumos is a great name.  Us in-people know how it came
about, and the rest just don't care.  OpenIndiana was perfectly
logical at the time, too.  

"Linux" is not the greatest of names either.  It became what it is
today for any number of reasons, but not because of the name.

Should the domain names, the infrastructure, the mailing lists, etc.
etc. all given up because of some fleeting hope of attracting one
more n00b?

There must be some more pressing issues.


Regards -- Volker
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Blake]

I think it's easier to say 'Flare OS' than 'Sol OS'.

I currently would rank what I've heard this way, from favorite to least
favorite (out of top 3):

Flare
Sol
Phoenix


Blake

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Constantino Voulgaris <
constantino.voulga...@gmail.com> wrote:

>  I would love Sol OS ( Sol being spanish for Sun, I believe also in Latin )
> ;)
>
> In the immortal words of Rob Shinn  on 06/21/11 11:48:
> > On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 21:11 -0400, Jake wrote:
> >> I totally agree. OpenIndiana describes the distro quite well, since it
> is
> the opensource bits of the Solaris Indiana release; but the reference is
> totally lost to anyone not familiar with what OpenSolaris was.
> >>
> >> I think a Sun reference would be fitting.
> >>
> >> EclipseOS maybe?
> >
> > HeliOS? ApollOS (Domain/OS? ;) ?
> >
> > I think all the good Sun references are already taken. :)
> >
> > LughOS?  BelOS? RaOS?  HathorOS?
>
> How about FlareOS (offshoot of the Sun)
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Matt Connolly]

On 21/06/2011, at 3:54 PM, Ken Gunderson  wrote:

> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 23:03 -0600, Ken Gunderson wrote:
>> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 19:58 -0700, Marion Hakanson wrote:
>>> 
>>> I also happen to think "illumos" is an excellent name.  Use it everywhere.
>> 
>> Uh... Excuse me, but what have you been smoking?  Drinking, maybe?
>> I think Illumos is a pretty lame name, nothing against the people who
>> chose it.  I kind of like OpenIndiana, particularly when contracted to
>> "oi", as compared to Illumos in that at least it conveys that this is
>> supposed to be an "Open" project (although "Open" has been so misused by
>> marketroids trying to cash in on the Open Source phenom that in more
>> recent times its use has almost become a red flag, particularly
>> following the Orcale OpenSolaris fiasco).  
>> 
>> But all that is neither here nor there.  The point is that your idea
>> was/is lame.  And that your mother probably dresses you funny...
>> 
>> 
> 
> P.S.; In the event it may have been less than obvious... above was
> intended to be taken with a sense of humor ;-P
> 
> -- 
> Regards-- Ken Gunderson

Odd sense of humour, Ken... :/
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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Possible bug in ZFS under load (with Solaris, potential to impact OI?)

[Gregory Youngblood]

I know this is Sun/Solaris and not OI, but just saw an interesting tidbit that 
may be something we may want to keep in the back of our minds. Seems to me if 
it's in Solaris it'll probably also be an issue in OI at some point.

Evidently there's been periodic timeouts and other issues on storage systems at 
a large email provider using ZFS for its backend storage. They've been having 
intermittent delays and problems with people accessing their mail. They just 
posted the following detail:

> Oracle/Sun - believes they have identified a previously unknown bug in the 
> ZFS kernel that is causing locking contention on our system during peak 
> volumes


Unfortunately I don't have further details. Something to keep in mind if it 
bites someone later. And hopefully the fix will get identified and released by 
Oracle if they do find it and fix it, but I won't be holding my breath.

Greg
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Constantino Voulgaris]

 I would love Sol OS ( Sol being spanish for Sun, I believe also in Latin )
;)

In the immortal words of Rob Shinn  on 06/21/11 11:48:
> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 21:11 -0400, Jake wrote:
>> I totally agree. OpenIndiana describes the distro quite well, since it is
the opensource bits of the Solaris Indiana release; but the reference is
totally lost to anyone not familiar with what OpenSolaris was.
>>
>> I think a Sun reference would be fitting.
>>
>> EclipseOS maybe?
>
> HeliOS? ApollOS (Domain/OS? ;) ?
>
> I think all the good Sun references are already taken. :)
>
> LughOS?  BelOS? RaOS?  HathorOS?

How about FlareOS (offshoot of the Sun)
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Dan Swartzendruber]

Doug Bora wrote:

Another idea:
Zonos (play on words from one feature, zones; zone os shrunk to zonos)


Keeping that in mind: I really like the 'zonos' name.  It reflects the
most famous recent 'killer feature' of Solaris besides zfs and it rolls
off the tongue easily.
zonos/ZONOS is also visually symmetrical which lends itself well to 
logos

and the like.


Can't say as I like Zonos much myself.  It reminds me too much of 
Sonos.  http://www.sonos.com

Or Zanax or some other OTC drug...

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Doug Bora]

Another idea:
Zonos (play on words from one feature, zones; zone os shrunk to zonos)


Keeping that in mind: I really like the 'zonos' name.  It reflects the
most famous recent 'killer feature' of Solaris besides zfs and it rolls
off the tongue easily.
zonos/ZONOS is also visually symmetrical which lends itself well to logos
and the like.


Can't say as I like Zonos much myself.  It reminds me too much of Sonos. 
 http://www.sonos.com


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Dmitry Kozhinov]

Helios would be nice, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeliOS .

OpenIndiana name already got some recognition, I see no point of 
changing it.

What *is* necessary for branding IMO: a good logo and GNOME theme.

Dmitry.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Dan Swartzendruber]

I have to say, as someone who is far more linux/bsd savvy, I have had a 
tough time trying to evangelize Opensolaris to people for ZFS use in 
SAN/NAS environments (not even trying to address regular server usage), 
and there is for sure a lot of NIH (a friend asked me "I thought ZFS was 
dead, cuz Oracle bought and killed Sun?").  Point being: if we get too 
clever, we won't even get a sniff from folks - that is my main concern 
with using clever names and such...


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Brian Hechinger]

On 6/21/2011 3:51 PM, Jerry Kemp wrote:

Skuas OS

A bird theme that goes along with the Illumos logo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skuas

And Skuas are predators to penguins. :)

   This ---^

:-D

What's wrong with the OpenIndiana name, btw? (I just signed up for the 
mailing list so missed the beginning of this thread)


-brian

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Ken Gunderson]

On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 15:43 -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote:
> On 06/21/2011 03:38 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> >> Like it or not, Jake's reply is just as legitimate as yours. Solaris has
> >> caché to some, myself included. Me not knowing anything about it beyond
> >> the fact that it was SunOS before Solaris doesn't change a thing.
> >>
> >> Please don't be so dismissive. People bring different backgrounds and
> >> expectations to the discussion and it is good to hear all of them.
> >>
> >> I for one disagree with Blake - I am a newbie and am quite attracted to
> >> the legacy of Solaris by way of Illumos and OpenIndiana.
> > 
> > Awesome!  By all means we should be checking our rear view and ensuring
> > we honor history rather than  looking forward and making history.
> 
> The two are not mutually exclusive, both are equally important.

Wrong. Looking forward is much more important.  Let Wikipedia
memorialize the past.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Jerry Kemp]

Skuas OS

A bird theme that goes along with the Illumos logo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skuas

And Skuas are predators to penguins. :)

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[P Kaskela]

> What about Solis ? Short, would seem brandable. Quick google didn't return
> any hits for another OS or distro, but I didn't do an exhaustive search.
>
>
> Playing with some words and google translate:
> phoenix:
> fenice: Italian
> fénix : Spanish
> feeniks   : Finnish
>
>
> Another idea:
> Zonos (play on words from one feature, zones; zone os shrunk to zonos)
>
>
>
> On Jun 21, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Andrey N. Oktyabrski wrote:
>
>> On 21.06.11 19:29, oi-disc...@mho.nu wrote:
>>> IcarOS?
>> http://www.icarosdesktop.org/
>>
>> On 21.06.11 20:15, Ken Gunderson wrote:
>> > I like Phoenix - reborn and rising from the ashes of Sun.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doscore
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I am a recent lurker who relatively recently started using Solaris (2004
with Solaris 9 on used Ultra 2 and 5 + Solaris 10 on ultra 20).  I don't
know how valid my input is - I certainly haven't done any programming work
on any of the components.

Keeping that in mind: I really like the 'zonos' name.  It reflects the
most famous recent 'killer feature' of Solaris besides zfs and it rolls
off the tongue easily.
zonos/ZONOS is also visually symmetrical which lends itself well to logos
and the like.

The name is also simple and sounds 'professional' for lack of a better
word.  It also doesn't directly bring up associations to things like linux
does to linus or refer to silly animal mascots.

Just a thought.
-Phil Kaskela


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Jamon Camisso]

On 06/21/2011 03:38 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
>> Like it or not, Jake's reply is just as legitimate as yours. Solaris has
>> caché to some, myself included. Me not knowing anything about it beyond
>> the fact that it was SunOS before Solaris doesn't change a thing.
>>
>> Please don't be so dismissive. People bring different backgrounds and
>> expectations to the discussion and it is good to hear all of them.
>>
>> I for one disagree with Blake - I am a newbie and am quite attracted to
>> the legacy of Solaris by way of Illumos and OpenIndiana.
> 
> Awesome!  By all means we should be checking our rear view and ensuring
> we honor history rather than  looking forward and making history.

The two are not mutually exclusive, both are equally important.

Jamon



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Openindiana in VMWare and usb devices

[Michael Stapleton]

Hi ,

>From the man page for the usbsacm driver:

ENXIOThe unit being opened does not exist.



You could try a cleanup of /dev. 

Remove the modem.

# devfsadm -C

Attach the modem

# init 6

#devfsadm -v


Mike

On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 17:58 +0200, Gabriele Bulfon wrote:

> More.
> I tried the same truss on the native machine, here the difference:
> sonicle@nativeoi:/etc# truss -t stat,open tip /dev/cua/0
> stat64("/usr/bin/tip", 0x0804794C)  = 0
> open("/var/ld/ld.config", O_RDONLY) Err#2 ENOENT
> stat64("/lib/libc.so.1", 0x080470FC)= 0
> open("/lib/libc.so.1", O_RDONLY)= 3
> stat64("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8.so.3", 0x08046BE0) = 0
> open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 3
> stat64("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/libc.so.1", 0x08046AC0) Err#2 ENOENT
> stat64("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/methods_unicode.so.3", 0x08046AC0) = 0
> open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/methods_unicode.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 3
> open("/etc/remote", O_RDONLY)   = 3
> stat("/dev/cua/0", 0x08047B60)  = 0
> open("/var/spool/locks/LTMP.4182", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0444) = 3
> open("/dev/cua/0", O_RDWR)  = 3
> (...continues up to connected...)
> Main differences are:
> - stat of cua/0 returns 0 but the hex in stat is different (ending with 60 
> instead of 90).
> - open of cua/0 retuns 3, instead of ENXIO
> --
> Da: Gabriele Bulfon
> A: Discussion list for OpenIndiana
> Data: 21 giugno 2011 17.42.48 CEST
> Oggetto: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Openindiana in VMWare and usb devices
> Wow...this is a very deep analysis ;)
> Well, on the physical machine (where it works great), the device is very 
> similar:
> crw-rw-rw-   1 root sys   99, 131072 Jun 21 17:33 modem@0,2:0,cu
> still 99
> On both my systems (physical and virtual) grep 99 name_to major gives:
> usbsacm 99
> then, on both systems:
> sonicle@oi:/etc# modinfo |grep usbsacm
> 152 f7eaa680   4850  99   1  usbsacm (USB Serial CDC ACM driver)
> and, on both systems, fmadm faulty returns nothing...
> Please consider that the same USB CDC modem, is correctly seen by a Linux on 
> the same VMWare,
> using the same ESXi 4.1 procedure.
> And...consider that plugging an USB key on the same machine, and making it 
> available to OI from
> ESXi 4.1, I can see and work on files with no problem
> Thanx for your precious analysis ;)
> --
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> A: Discussion list for OpenIndiana
> Data: 21 giugno 2011 17.18.41 CEST
> Oggetto: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Openindiana in VMWare and usb devices
> Hi Gabriele,
> Some more steps to see what's going on. Are we talking to the right
> driver? Is the driver loaded properly, is the driver configured
> properly?
> Following the path from tip to the driver:
> So your tip error is:
> open("/dev/cua/0", O_RDWR)Err#6 ENXIO
> # man -s 2 open :
> ENXIO   The O_NONBLOCK flag is set, the  named  file
> is  a FIFO, the O_WRONLY flag is set, and no
> process has the file open  for  reading;  or
> the  named  file  is  a character special or
> block special file and the device associated
> with this special file does not exist or has
> been retired by the fault management  frame-
> work .
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 83 Jun 20 19:02 0
> -../../devices/pci@0,0/pci15ad,790@11/pci15ad,1976@2/communications@1/modem@0,2:0,cu
> crw-rw-rw- 1 root sys 99, 131072 Jun 21
> 18:47 
> /devices/pci@0,0/pci15ad,790@11/pci15ad,1976@2/communications@1/modem@0,2:0,cu
> Major number 99, minor number 131072? That's quite the minor number..
> I'm not sure what your driver is supposed to be, but on my system it
> would be wrong.
> # grep 99 /etc/name_to_major
> On my system its:
> vgatext 99
> vgatext driver does not seem right but that is on my system, what
> driver is it on your system?
> Substitute your driver in the following.
> Then, is the driver loaded?
> # modinfo | grep vgatext
> Nope: Why not?
> # grep vgatext /var/adm/messages
> Nothing...
> Try loading the driver.
> # find /kernel -name vgatext
> /kernel/drv/amd64/vgatext
> /kernel/drv/vgatext
> 64bit?
> # modload /kernel/drv/amd64/vgatext
> any errors?
> # grep vgatext /var/adm/messages
> #  fmadm faulty
> # modinfo | grep vgatext
> 291 f846f340   5070  99   1  vgatext (VGA text driver)
> My driver loaded, did yours?
> Find anything interesting?
> Mike
> On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 10:54 +0200, Gabriele Bulfon wrote:
> Here is the output of truss:
> sonicle@openindiana:/var/adm# truss -t stat,open tip /dev/cua/0
> stat64("/usr/bin/tip", 0x08047984)  = 0
> open("/var/ld/ld.config", O_RDONLY) Err#2 ENOENT
> stat64("/lib/libc.so.1", 0x08047134)= 0
> open("/lib/libc.so.1", O_RDONLY)= 3
> stat64("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/en_U

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Ken Gunderson]

On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 15:34 -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote:
> On 06/21/2011 03:05 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> > On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 11:32 -0700, Blake wrote:
> >> I agree that Sun's engineering legacy is impressive.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, the words 'Sun' and 'Solaris' are anathema to most young
> >> startups and newbie engineers.  Rather than forcing a history lesson on
> >> them, I feel we should look forward when evangelizing the platform.
> >>
> >> Blake
> > 
> > Amen, brother!!  I about hurled reading Jake's reply. Glad to see that
> > someone else "gets it".
> 
> Like it or not, Jake's reply is just as legitimate as yours. Solaris has
> caché to some, myself included. Me not knowing anything about it beyond
> the fact that it was SunOS before Solaris doesn't change a thing.
> 
> Please don't be so dismissive. People bring different backgrounds and
> expectations to the discussion and it is good to hear all of them.
> 
> I for one disagree with Blake - I am a newbie and am quite attracted to
> the legacy of Solaris by way of Illumos and OpenIndiana.

Awesome!  By all means we should be checking our rear view and ensuring
we honor history rather than  looking forward and making history.


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[Jamon Camisso]

On 06/21/2011 03:05 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 11:32 -0700, Blake wrote:
>> I agree that Sun's engineering legacy is impressive.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the words 'Sun' and 'Solaris' are anathema to most young
>> startups and newbie engineers.  Rather than forcing a history lesson on
>> them, I feel we should look forward when evangelizing the platform.
>>
>> Blake
> 
> Amen, brother!!  I about hurled reading Jake's reply. Glad to see that
> someone else "gets it".

Like it or not, Jake's reply is just as legitimate as yours. Solaris has
caché to some, myself included. Me not knowing anything about it beyond
the fact that it was SunOS before Solaris doesn't change a thing.

Please don't be so dismissive. People bring different backgrounds and
expectations to the discussion and it is good to hear all of them.

I for one disagree with Blake - I am a newbie and am quite attracted to
the legacy of Solaris by way of Illumos and OpenIndiana.

Regards, Jamon

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Gregory Youngblood]

What about Solis ? Short, would seem brandable. Quick google didn't return any 
hits for another OS or distro, but I didn't do an exhaustive search.


Playing with some words and google translate:
phoenix:
fenice  : Italian
fénix   : Spanish
feeniks : Finnish


Another idea:
Zonos (play on words from one feature, zones; zone os shrunk to zonos)



On Jun 21, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Andrey N. Oktyabrski wrote:

> On 21.06.11 19:29, oi-disc...@mho.nu wrote:
>> IcarOS?
> http://www.icarosdesktop.org/
> 
> On 21.06.11 20:15, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> > I like Phoenix - reborn and rising from the ashes of Sun.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doscore
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] build ntfs-3g on oi_148 fail

[Apostolos Syropoulos]

> 
> is there any pkg authority i must set for installing packages from
> www.sunfreepacks.com via packagemanager?
> 


No these are ordinary solaris packages that install with pkgadd and uninstall
with pkgrm. 


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] build ntfs-3g on oi_148 fail

[Benediktus Anindito]

is there any pkg authority i must set for installing packages from
www.sunfreepacks.com via packagemanager?

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Apostolos Syropoulos
 wrote:
>> gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I..  -I../include/ntfs-3g     -g -O2 -Wall
>> -MT ntfsresize.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/ntfsresize.Tpo -c -o ntfsresize.o
>> ntfsresize.c
>> ntfsresize.c: In function `replace_attribute_runlist':
>> ntfsresize.c:1174: error: `INT_MAX' undeclared (first use in this function)
>> ntfsresize.c:1174: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
>> ntfsresize.c:1174: error: for each function it appears in.)
>> *** Error code 1
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I have successfully compiled ntfs-3g applying a small number of patches.
> I have sent these patches to the developers but meanwhile you can get
> a working package from
>
> http://www.sunfreepacks.com/
>
> A.S.
>
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Andrey N. Oktyabrski]

On 21.06.11 19:29, oi-disc...@mho.nu wrote:

IcarOS?

http://www.icarosdesktop.org/

On 21.06.11 20:15, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> I like Phoenix - reborn and rising from the ashes of Sun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doscore

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Ken Gunderson]

On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 11:32 -0700, Blake wrote:
> I agree that Sun's engineering legacy is impressive.
> 
> Unfortunately, the words 'Sun' and 'Solaris' are anathema to most young
> startups and newbie engineers.  Rather than forcing a history lesson on
> them, I feel we should look forward when evangelizing the platform.
> 
> Blake

Amen, brother!!  I about hurled reading Jake's reply. Glad to see that
someone else "gets it".


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[Blake]

I agree that Sun's engineering legacy is impressive.

Unfortunately, the words 'Sun' and 'Solaris' are anathema to most young
startups and newbie engineers.  Rather than forcing a history lesson on
them, I feel we should look forward when evangelizing the platform.

Blake

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Jake Young  wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Ken Gunderson  >wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 21:11 -0400, Jake wrote:
> > > I totally agree. OpenIndiana describes the distro quite well, since it
> is
> > the opensource bits of the Solaris Indiana release; but the reference is
> > totally lost to anyone not familiar with what OpenSolaris was.
> > >
> > > I think a Sun reference would be fitting.
> >
> > Why?  The Sun has set some time ago.  There's nothing to see here now.
> > Time to move along, move along.  Perhaps you're thinking that a
> > reference to Sun obscure enough to avoid a lawsuit would in some way be
> > attractive to business.  I think the opposite - anyone who's been around
> > for a while has their Oracle horror story so why would we want to
> > associate.  And by Oracle, I'm referencing the corporate entity, not
> > contributing individuals who happen to be employed by same.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards-- Ken Gunderson
> >
> > One of the biggest appeals of OI/Illumos to me is that it is a
> continuation
> of the legacy of Sun Solaris' high standards of engineering excellence. My
> personal view of the open sourcing of Solaris 11 is that someone in Sun
> wanted to make sure that the OS that had so much invested in it would have
> an opportunity to continue to flourish.  Things weren't going so well for
> Sun back in 2005, it was pretty clear that if the Sun hardware wasn't going
> to make enough money, the OS development would be impacted severely.  The
> roots of Solaris go back to the beginning of
>
> Not that Sun was such a great company, but there were a lot of fantastic
> developers there.  Anyone I talked to that knew the kernel development
> teams, said something along the lines of "they're the smartest people I
> know".  Sun incubated that talent and tried to make its money from hardware
> sales.
>
> There are still a lot of fantastic people that stayed on when Oracle took
> over.  What is scaring everyone is what will Oracle do with Solaris in 5
> years, will there even be a Solaris 12?
>
> Maybe someday, OI/Illumos will not be seen as the fork...
>
> I think its appropriate to honor the company that brought us this great OS!
>
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Jake Young]

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:

> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 21:11 -0400, Jake wrote:
> > I totally agree. OpenIndiana describes the distro quite well, since it is
> the opensource bits of the Solaris Indiana release; but the reference is
> totally lost to anyone not familiar with what OpenSolaris was.
> >
> > I think a Sun reference would be fitting.
>
> Why?  The Sun has set some time ago.  There's nothing to see here now.
> Time to move along, move along.  Perhaps you're thinking that a
> reference to Sun obscure enough to avoid a lawsuit would in some way be
> attractive to business.  I think the opposite - anyone who's been around
> for a while has their Oracle horror story so why would we want to
> associate.  And by Oracle, I'm referencing the corporate entity, not
> contributing individuals who happen to be employed by same.
>
>
> --
> Regards-- Ken Gunderson
>
> One of the biggest appeals of OI/Illumos to me is that it is a continuation
of the legacy of Sun Solaris' high standards of engineering excellence. My
personal view of the open sourcing of Solaris 11 is that someone in Sun
wanted to make sure that the OS that had so much invested in it would have
an opportunity to continue to flourish.  Things weren't going so well for
Sun back in 2005, it was pretty clear that if the Sun hardware wasn't going
to make enough money, the OS development would be impacted severely.  The
roots of Solaris go back to the beginning of

Not that Sun was such a great company, but there were a lot of fantastic
developers there.  Anyone I talked to that knew the kernel development
teams, said something along the lines of "they're the smartest people I
know".  Sun incubated that talent and tried to make its money from hardware
sales.

There are still a lot of fantastic people that stayed on when Oracle took
over.  What is scaring everyone is what will Oracle do with Solaris in 5
years, will there even be a Solaris 12?

Maybe someday, OI/Illumos will not be seen as the fork...

I think its appropriate to honor the company that brought us this great OS!

Jake
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Doug Bora]

I'm not averse to dropping OpenIndiana in favor of something better.  I
AM against that being any kind of play/dependency on Illumos. I don't
have anything against the Illumos project.  But therein lies the salient
issue - Illumos and OI are two separate projects.


I agree. Obviously they're related, but you don't want people confusing 
the 2 as they are 2 distinct projects.  The other issue I'm seeing with 
a lot of name suggestions, is that a simple web search often turns up 
tons of hits where the names are already in use -- many times as names 
of existing software, making them less than desirable.  Coming up with a 
solid name that isn't in prior use isn't an easy task!


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Blake]

I also like the simplicity and connotations of 'Flare'.  Short, easy
to remember.

Phoenix is not bad either.


On Tuesday, June 21, 2011, Gordon Ross  wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Tim Aslat  wrote:
>>
>> How about FlareOS (offshoot of the Sun)
>
> I think just "Flare" is an intriguing suggestion.
> I don't think it has to end with O S.
>
> I like the rhyme with "flair", and the association
> with solar flares.
>
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Ken Gunderson]

On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 22:46 -0400, Paul Gress wrote:
> On 06/20/11 10:32 PM, Magnus wrote:
> > On Jun 20, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Tim Aslat wrote:
> >> How about FlareOS (offshoot of the Sun)
> > Mithros.org is available. I intentionally didn't capitalize the "os". It's 
> > less awkward to read and to pronounce.
> >
> > There are some tenuous connections between Mithras&  Sol, the Sun God, in 
> > ancient Roman art. But it's a simple name, and the domain is available. 
> > Don't be a b*d and squat on this name if it's not going to be for the 
> > productive use of this project. ;)
> >
> 
> 
> "Moonshine". It goes along with Celestial objects (Moon), and Shine as in 
> Rays of Sun.  Also programming at night.

Not to mention bootleg liquor!!


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Ken Gunderson]

On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 21:11 -0400, Jake wrote:
> I totally agree. OpenIndiana describes the distro quite well, since it is the 
> opensource bits of the Solaris Indiana release; but the reference is totally 
> lost to anyone not familiar with what OpenSolaris was. 
> 
> I think a Sun reference would be fitting.   

Why?  The Sun has set some time ago.  There's nothing to see here now.
Time to move along, move along.  Perhaps you're thinking that a
reference to Sun obscure enough to avoid a lawsuit would in some way be
attractive to business.  I think the opposite - anyone who's been around
for a while has their Oracle horror story so why would we want to
associate.  And by Oracle, I'm referencing the corporate entity, not
contributing individuals who happen to be employed by same.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Ken Gunderson]

On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 18:12 +0200, Nikolam wrote:
> As long as Anyone contribute a bit on some real projects and problems
> , there is always room for change in some future or something over
> branding.
> 
> But currently I would rather shoot myself in the foot then changing
> branding in a moments mostly crucial to the distribution and core OS
> future. (And crucial moments are already all the time from the
> beginning - there is still to come stable OI release that could be
> recommended for production use an from where wider audience could be
> gathered.
> 
> I woud rather like to see X server drivers (intel) movements , Xen
> support resurrected and High Availability put into the move and
> software porting community refreshed with more coherent IPS publishers
> hosted around.
> And newcomer contributors mentoring facilities.
> 
> OI is what you get when you put uname -a and there and is already in a
> number of software and scripts using it to identify platform.
> I think that further changes in branding could be considered when
> development community is at least 10X the present volume. (And there
> IS a space for branched distributions production - a la Ubuntu,etc)
> 
> If we put $5-10 in a Jar or spend hour or two on some distribution's
> coordinated effort,
> - every time we got Eureka idea about branding, then I wouldn't mind
> any great branding ideas.

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[Nikolam]

As long as Anyone contribute a bit on some real projects and problems
, there is always room for change in some future or something over
branding.

But currently I would rather shoot myself in the foot then changing
branding in a moments mostly crucial to the distribution and core OS
future. (And crucial moments are already all the time from the
beginning - there is still to come stable OI release that could be
recommended for production use an from where wider audience could be
gathered.

I woud rather like to see X server drivers (intel) movements , Xen
support resurrected and High Availability put into the move and
software porting community refreshed with more coherent IPS publishers
hosted around.
And newcomer contributors mentoring facilities.

OI is what you get when you put uname -a and there and is already in a
number of software and scripts using it to identify platform.
I think that further changes in branding could be considered when
development community is at least 10X the present volume. (And there
IS a space for branched distributions production - a la Ubuntu,etc)

If we put $5-10 in a Jar or spend hour or two on some distribution's
coordinated effort,
- every time we got Eureka idea about branding, then I wouldn't mind
any great branding ideas.

On 6/21/11, oi-disc...@mho.nu  wrote:
> In message <15a2f120-d24b-43dc-8cd6-2417182e7...@yonderway.com>, Magnus
> writes:
>>
>>On Jun 20, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Tim Aslat wrote:
>>>
>>> How about FlareOS (offshoot of the Sun)
>
> I like FlareOS (or flareix, perhaps)
>
> - mho
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[Ken Gunderson]

On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 00:45 -0700, Marion Hakanson wrote:
> kgund...@teamcool.net said:
> > But all that is neither here nor there.  The point is that your idea
> > was/is lame.
> 
> Yeah, but what do you think of my idea?
> 
> 
> >  And that your mother probably dresses you funny... 
> 
> Not for several decades, she hasn't (:-).
> 
> 
> kgund...@teamcool.net said:
> > P.S.; In the event it may have been less than obvious... above was intended
> > to be taken with a sense of humor ;-P 
> 
> Phew, for a minute there I thought you might not entirely agree with me (:-).
> 
> 
> > ...Marion Hakanson wrote:
> > > I also happen to think "illumos" is an excellent name.  Use it everywhere.
> 
> OK, I may have exaggerated a bit.  But I do like the name -- I think it's
> a clever play on words, in multiple directions.  And the fact that most of
> my immediate family members are well-versed in the Harry Potter stories
> probably has nothing to do with it.

I think it comes off as a less than successful effort to be witty.  Nor
does it roll off your tongue.  OpenIndiana suffers from this as well,
but hey, at least it leaves us with short and sweet contraction; oi,
which rolls off the tongue quite agreeably, eh?

I also think that it's time to make clean break from Oracle/Solaris
dependencies/associations - particularly since Larry is doing such an
excellent job of alienating SMB's and reasonably large sized enterprises
alike. 

> kgund...@teamcool.net said:
> > I kind of like OpenIndiana, particularly when contracted to
> > "oi", as compared to Illumos in that at least it conveys that this is
> > supposed to be an "Open" project (although "Open" has been so misused by
> > marketroids trying to cash in on the Open Source phenom that in more
> > recent times its use has almost become a red flag, particularly
> > following the Orcale OpenSolaris fiasco).  
> 
> I'm enough of an old Unix geek that I dislike the "Indiana" name's
> association with a project that was an attempt to make Solaris more
> Linux-like.  

I completely agree. Indiana was a marketroid driven effort to make
things more Linux like, err.. I mean Ubuntu like, because all hip
marketroids know that Linux equals Ubuntu.

> I'm also one of those who puts /usr/gnu/bin at the end of the
> PATH at install time (yet note that I do not remove it entirely), just so
> you know which segment of the target audience I'm in.  Of course, my spouse
> is from Indiana, and that relationship is going pretty well, so you never
> can tell
> 
> Never mind my opinion, however.  We all know that I have no future in
> marketing, nor likely in any popular or for-profit enterprise of any kind.
> 
> We now return you to your lameness-free content (:-)

I'm not averse to dropping OpenIndiana in favor of something better.  I
AM against that being any kind of play/dependency on Illumos. I don't
have anything against the Illumos project.  But therein lies the salient
issue - Illumos and OI are two separate projects.

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Openindiana in VMWare and usb devices

[Gabriele Bulfon]

More.
I tried the same truss on the native machine, here the difference:
sonicle@nativeoi:/etc# truss -t stat,open tip /dev/cua/0
stat64("/usr/bin/tip", 0x0804794C)  = 0
open("/var/ld/ld.config", O_RDONLY) Err#2 ENOENT
stat64("/lib/libc.so.1", 0x080470FC)= 0
open("/lib/libc.so.1", O_RDONLY)= 3
stat64("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8.so.3", 0x08046BE0) = 0
open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 3
stat64("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/libc.so.1", 0x08046AC0) Err#2 ENOENT
stat64("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/methods_unicode.so.3", 0x08046AC0) = 0
open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/methods_unicode.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 3
open("/etc/remote", O_RDONLY)   = 3
stat("/dev/cua/0", 0x08047B60)  = 0
open("/var/spool/locks/LTMP.4182", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0444) = 3
open("/dev/cua/0", O_RDWR)  = 3
(...continues up to connected...)
Main differences are:
- stat of cua/0 returns 0 but the hex in stat is different (ending with 60 
instead of 90).
- open of cua/0 retuns 3, instead of ENXIO
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A: Discussion list for OpenIndiana
Data: 21 giugno 2011 17.42.48 CEST
Oggetto: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Openindiana in VMWare and usb devices
Wow...this is a very deep analysis ;)
Well, on the physical machine (where it works great), the device is very 
similar:
crw-rw-rw-   1 root sys   99, 131072 Jun 21 17:33 modem@0,2:0,cu
still 99
On both my systems (physical and virtual) grep 99 name_to major gives:
usbsacm 99
then, on both systems:
sonicle@oi:/etc# modinfo |grep usbsacm
152 f7eaa680   4850  99   1  usbsacm (USB Serial CDC ACM driver)
and, on both systems, fmadm faulty returns nothing...
Please consider that the same USB CDC modem, is correctly seen by a Linux on 
the same VMWare,
using the same ESXi 4.1 procedure.
And...consider that plugging an USB key on the same machine, and making it 
available to OI from
ESXi 4.1, I can see and work on files with no problem
Thanx for your precious analysis ;)
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Data: 21 giugno 2011 17.18.41 CEST
Oggetto: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Openindiana in VMWare and usb devices
Hi Gabriele,
Some more steps to see what's going on. Are we talking to the right
driver? Is the driver loaded properly, is the driver configured
properly?
Following the path from tip to the driver:
So your tip error is:
open("/dev/cua/0", O_RDWR)Err#6 ENXIO
# man -s 2 open :
ENXIO   The O_NONBLOCK flag is set, the  named  file
is  a FIFO, the O_WRONLY flag is set, and no
process has the file open  for  reading;  or
the  named  file  is  a character special or
block special file and the device associated
with this special file does not exist or has
been retired by the fault management  frame-
work .
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 83 Jun 20 19:02 0
-../../devices/pci@0,0/pci15ad,790@11/pci15ad,1976@2/communications@1/modem@0,2:0,cu
crw-rw-rw- 1 root sys 99, 131072 Jun 21
18:47 
/devices/pci@0,0/pci15ad,790@11/pci15ad,1976@2/communications@1/modem@0,2:0,cu
Major number 99, minor number 131072? That's quite the minor number..
I'm not sure what your driver is supposed to be, but on my system it
would be wrong.
# grep 99 /etc/name_to_major
On my system its:
vgatext 99
vgatext driver does not seem right but that is on my system, what
driver is it on your system?
Substitute your driver in the following.
Then, is the driver loaded?
# modinfo | grep vgatext
Nope: Why not?
# grep vgatext /var/adm/messages
Nothing...
Try loading the driver.
# find /kernel -name vgatext
/kernel/drv/amd64/vgatext
/kernel/drv/vgatext
64bit?
# modload /kernel/drv/amd64/vgatext
any errors?
# grep vgatext /var/adm/messages
#  fmadm faulty
# modinfo | grep vgatext
291 f846f340   5070  99   1  vgatext (VGA text driver)
My driver loaded, did yours?
Find anything interesting?
Mike
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 10:54 +0200, Gabriele Bulfon wrote:
Here is the output of truss:
sonicle@openindiana:/var/adm# truss -t stat,open tip /dev/cua/0
stat64("/usr/bin/tip", 0x08047984)  = 0
open("/var/ld/ld.config", O_RDONLY) Err#2 ENOENT
stat64("/lib/libc.so.1", 0x08047134)= 0
open("/lib/libc.so.1", O_RDONLY)= 3
stat64("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8.so.3", 0x08046C10) = 0
open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 3
stat64("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/libc.so.1", 0x08046AF0) Err#2 ENOENT
stat64("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/methods_unicode.so.3", 0x08046AF0) = 0
open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/methods_unicode.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 3
open("/etc/remote", O_RDONLY)   = 3
stat("/dev/cua/0", 0x08047B90)  = 0
open("/var/spool/locks/LTMP.1099", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0444) =

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Gordon Ross]

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Tim Aslat  wrote:
>
> How about FlareOS (offshoot of the Sun)

I think just "Flare" is an intriguing suggestion.
I don't think it has to end with O S.

I like the rhyme with "flair", and the association
with solar flares.

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Openindiana in VMWare and usb devices

[Gabriele Bulfon]

Wow...this is a very deep analysis ;)
Well, on the physical machine (where it works great), the device is very 
similar:
crw-rw-rw-   1 root sys   99, 131072 Jun 21 17:33 modem@0,2:0,cu
still 99
On both my systems (physical and virtual) grep 99 name_to major gives:
usbsacm 99
then, on both systems:
sonicle@oi:/etc# modinfo |grep usbsacm
152 f7eaa680   4850  99   1  usbsacm (USB Serial CDC ACM driver)
and, on both systems, fmadm faulty returns nothing...
Please consider that the same USB CDC modem, is correctly seen by a Linux on 
the same VMWare,
using the same ESXi 4.1 procedure.
And...consider that plugging an USB key on the same machine, and making it 
available to OI from
ESXi 4.1, I can see and work on files with no problem
Thanx for your precious analysis ;)
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Data: 21 giugno 2011 17.18.41 CEST
Oggetto: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Openindiana in VMWare and usb devices
Hi Gabriele,
Some more steps to see what's going on. Are we talking to the right
driver? Is the driver loaded properly, is the driver configured
properly?
Following the path from tip to the driver:
So your tip error is:
open("/dev/cua/0", O_RDWR)Err#6 ENXIO
# man -s 2 open :
ENXIO   The O_NONBLOCK flag is set, the  named  file
is  a FIFO, the O_WRONLY flag is set, and no
process has the file open  for  reading;  or
the  named  file  is  a character special or
block special file and the device associated
with this special file does not exist or has
been retired by the fault management  frame-
work .
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 83 Jun 20 19:02 0
-../../devices/pci@0,0/pci15ad,790@11/pci15ad,1976@2/communications@1/modem@0,2:0,cu
crw-rw-rw- 1 root sys 99, 131072 Jun 21
18:47 
/devices/pci@0,0/pci15ad,790@11/pci15ad,1976@2/communications@1/modem@0,2:0,cu
Major number 99, minor number 131072? That's quite the minor number..
I'm not sure what your driver is supposed to be, but on my system it
would be wrong.
# grep 99 /etc/name_to_major
On my system its:
vgatext 99
vgatext driver does not seem right but that is on my system, what
driver is it on your system?
Substitute your driver in the following.
Then, is the driver loaded?
# modinfo | grep vgatext
Nope: Why not?
# grep vgatext /var/adm/messages
Nothing...
Try loading the driver.
# find /kernel -name vgatext
/kernel/drv/amd64/vgatext
/kernel/drv/vgatext
64bit?
# modload /kernel/drv/amd64/vgatext
any errors?
# grep vgatext /var/adm/messages
#  fmadm faulty
# modinfo | grep vgatext
291 f846f340   5070  99   1  vgatext (VGA text driver)
My driver loaded, did yours?
Find anything interesting?
Mike
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 10:54 +0200, Gabriele Bulfon wrote:
Here is the output of truss:
sonicle@openindiana:/var/adm# truss -t stat,open tip /dev/cua/0
stat64("/usr/bin/tip", 0x08047984)  = 0
open("/var/ld/ld.config", O_RDONLY) Err#2 ENOENT
stat64("/lib/libc.so.1", 0x08047134)= 0
open("/lib/libc.so.1", O_RDONLY)= 3
stat64("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8.so.3", 0x08046C10) = 0
open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 3
stat64("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/libc.so.1", 0x08046AF0) Err#2 ENOENT
stat64("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/methods_unicode.so.3", 0x08046AF0) = 0
open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/methods_unicode.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 3
open("/etc/remote", O_RDONLY)   = 3
stat("/dev/cua/0", 0x08047B90)  = 0
open("/var/spool/locks/LTMP.1099", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0444) = 3
open("/dev/cua/0", O_RDWR)  Err#6 ENXIO
tip: /dev/cua/0: No such device or address
stat("/dev/cua/0", 0x08047B90)  = 0
all ports busy
The device is present, and linked:
sonicle@openindiana:/dev/cua# ls -l
total 3
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root  83 Jun 20 19:02 0 
-../../devices/pci@0,0/pci15ad,790@11/pci15ad,1976@2/communications@1/modem@0,2:0,cu
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root  42 Jun 20 18:55 a 
-../../devices/pci@0,0/isa@7/asy@1,3f8:a,cu
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root  42 Jun 20 18:55 b 
-../../devices/pci@0,0/isa@7/asy@1,2f8:b,cu
Here is the device:
crw-rw-rw-   1 root sys   99, 131072 Jun 21 18:47 
/devices/pci@0,0/pci15ad,790@11/pci15ad,1976@2/communications@1/modem@0,2:0,cu
Thanx so much :)
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Ken Gunderson]

On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 16:53 -0700, Blake wrote:
> Does anyone besides me feel that we need a more unified naming/branding
> approach for the community-driven descendants of OpenSolaris? I feel that
> the there is no obvious connection (for those new to the platform) between
> Illumos/OpenIndiana, which I think is counterproductive given that
> OpenIndiana is sort of the 'Fedora Core' of Illumos.
> 
> Some possible names:
> 
> Illumos Live
> 
> Illumos Core
> 
> Illumos [version_number] - [adjective] [animal]

Illumos is a different project.  Hence all of the above are
inappropriate.


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[oi-discuss]

In message <4e006881.5090...@stillbilde.net>, "Svein Skogen (Listmail account)"
 writes:

>"feeling" about it. Maybe something of a pun on feathers and melting wax.=

IcarOS?

- mho

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[oi-discuss]

In message <15a2f120-d24b-43dc-8cd6-2417182e7...@yonderway.com>, Magnus writes:
>
>On Jun 20, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Tim Aslat wrote:
>> 
>> How about FlareOS (offshoot of the Sun)

I like FlareOS (or flareix, perhaps)

- mho

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Openindiana in VMWare and usb devices

[Michael Stapleton]

Hi Gabriele,

Some more steps to see what's going on. Are we talking to the right
driver? Is the driver loaded properly, is the driver configured
properly?
Following the path from tip to the driver:


So your tip error is:

open("/dev/cua/0", O_RDWR)Err#6 ENXIO

# man -s 2 open :

ENXIO   The O_NONBLOCK flag is set, the  named  file
 is  a FIFO, the O_WRONLY flag is set, and no
 process has the file open  for  reading;  or
 the  named  file  is  a character special or
 block special file and the device associated
 with this special file does not exist or has
 been retired by the fault management  frame-
 work .

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 83 Jun 20 19:02 0
-../../devices/pci@0,0/pci15ad,790@11/pci15ad,1976@2/communications@1/modem@0,2:0,cu

crw-rw-rw- 1 root sys 99, 131072 Jun 21
18:47 
/devices/pci@0,0/pci15ad,790@11/pci15ad,1976@2/communications@1/modem@0,2:0,cu



Major number 99, minor number 131072? That's quite the minor number..
I'm not sure what your driver is supposed to be, but on my system it
would be wrong.

# grep 99 /etc/name_to_major

On my system its:
vgatext 99  

vgatext driver does not seem right but that is on my system, what
driver is it on your system?
Substitute your driver in the following.

Then, is the driver loaded?
# modinfo | grep vgatext


Nope: Why not? 
# grep vgatext /var/adm/messages

Nothing...

Try loading the driver.
# find /kernel -name vgatext
/kernel/drv/amd64/vgatext
/kernel/drv/vgatext

64bit?
# modload /kernel/drv/amd64/vgatext
any errors?
# grep vgatext /var/adm/messages

#  fmadm faulty



# modinfo | grep vgatext
291 f846f340   5070  99   1  vgatext (VGA text driver)

My driver loaded, did yours?



Find anything interesting?


Mike

On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 10:54 +0200, Gabriele Bulfon wrote:

> Here is the output of truss:
> sonicle@openindiana:/var/adm# truss -t stat,open tip /dev/cua/0
> stat64("/usr/bin/tip", 0x08047984)  = 0
> open("/var/ld/ld.config", O_RDONLY) Err#2 ENOENT
> stat64("/lib/libc.so.1", 0x08047134)= 0
> open("/lib/libc.so.1", O_RDONLY)= 3
> stat64("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8.so.3", 0x08046C10) = 0
> open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 3
> stat64("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/libc.so.1", 0x08046AF0) Err#2 ENOENT
> stat64("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/methods_unicode.so.3", 0x08046AF0) = 0
> open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/methods_unicode.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 3
> open("/etc/remote", O_RDONLY)   = 3
> stat("/dev/cua/0", 0x08047B90)  = 0
> open("/var/spool/locks/LTMP.1099", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0444) = 3
> open("/dev/cua/0", O_RDWR)  Err#6 ENXIO
> tip: /dev/cua/0: No such device or address
> stat("/dev/cua/0", 0x08047B90)  = 0
> all ports busy
> The device is present, and linked:
> sonicle@openindiana:/dev/cua# ls -l
> total 3
> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root  83 Jun 20 19:02 0 
> -../../devices/pci@0,0/pci15ad,790@11/pci15ad,1976@2/communications@1/modem@0,2:0,cu
> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root  42 Jun 20 18:55 a 
> -../../devices/pci@0,0/isa@7/asy@1,3f8:a,cu
> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root  42 Jun 20 18:55 b 
> -../../devices/pci@0,0/isa@7/asy@1,2f8:b,cu
> Here is the device:
> crw-rw-rw-   1 root sys   99, 131072 Jun 21 18:47 
> /devices/pci@0,0/pci15ad,790@11/pci15ad,1976@2/communications@1/modem@0,2:0,cu
> Thanx so much :)
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[oi-discuss]

In message , Jamon Camisso 
writes:

>Some celestial/mythical names:

RaOS/RayOS/Raix/Rayix?

- mho


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Openindiana in VMWare and usb devices

[Gabriele Bulfon]

More infos: I compared the /var/adm/messages of a native OI and a virtual OI, 
these are the two logs:
NATIVE:
Jun 15 15:07:36 nativeoi usba: [ID 912658 kern.info] USB 1.10 device 
(usb6e0,f11a) operating at full speed (USB 1.x) on USB 1.10 root hub: 
communications@1, usb_mid0 at bus address 2
Jun 15 15:07:36 nativeoi usba: [ID 349649 kern.info]MultiTech Systems 
T9234ZBA-USB-CDC
Jun 15 15:07:36 nativeoi genunix: [ID 936769 kern.info] usb_mid0 is 
/pci@0,0/pci15d9,5480@1d/communications@1
Jun 15 15:07:36 nativeoi genunix: [ID 408114 kern.info] 
/pci@0,0/pci15d9,5480@1d/communications@1 (usb_mid0) online
Jun 15 15:07:36 nativeoi usba: [ID 349649 kern.info] usba:  no driver found 
for interface 1 (nodename: 'data') of MultiTech Systems T9234ZBA-USB-CDC
Jun 15 15:07:36 nativeoi usba: [ID 912658 kern.info] USB 1.10 interface 
(usbif6e0,f11a.config2.0) operating at full speed (USB 1.x) on USB 1.10 root 
hub: modem@0,2, usbsacm0 at bus address 2
Jun 15 15:07:36 nativeoi usba: [ID 349649 kern.info]MultiTech Systems 
T9234ZBA-USB-CDC
Jun 15 15:07:36 nativeoi genunix: [ID 936769 kern.info] usbsacm0 is 
/pci@0,0/pci15d9,5480@1d/communications@1/modem@0,2
Jun 15 15:07:36 nativeoi genunix: [ID 408114 kern.info] 
/pci@0,0/pci15d9,5480@1d/communications@1/modem@0,2 (usbsacm0) online
VMWARE:
Jun 22 00:53:52 vmwareoi usba: [ID 912658 kern.info] USB 1.10 device (usbe0f,2) 
operating at full speed (USB 1.x) on USB 1.10 root hub: hub@2, hubd0 at bus 
address 3
Jun 22 00:53:52 vmwareoi usba: [ID 349649 kern.info] VMware Virtual USB 
Hub
Jun 22 00:53:52 vmwareoi genunix: [ID 936769 kern.info] hubd0 is 
/pci@0,0/pci15ad,790@11/pci15ad,1976@2/hub@2
Jun 22 00:53:52 vmwareoi genunix: [ID 408114 kern.info] 
/pci@0,0/pci15ad,790@11/pci15ad,1976@2/hub@2 (hubd0) online
Jun 22 00:53:52 vmwareoi usba: [ID 349649 kern.info] usba:   no driver found 
for interface 1 (nodename: 'data') of MultiTech Systems T9234ZBA-USB-CDC
Jun 22 00:53:52 vmwareoi usba: [ID 912658 kern.info] USB 1.10 interface 
(usbif6e0,f11a.config2.0) operating at full speed (USB 1.x) on USB 1.10 root 
hub: modem@0,2, usbsacm0 at bus address 2
Jun 22 00:53:52 vmwareoi usba: [ID 349649 kern.info] MultiTech Systems 
T9234ZBA-USB-CDC
Jun 22 00:53:52 vmwareoi genunix: [ID 936769 kern.info] usbsacm0 is 
/pci@0,0/pci15ad,790@11/pci15ad,1976@2/communications@1/modem@0,2
Jun 22 00:53:52 vmwareoi genunix: [ID 408114 kern.info] 
/pci@0,0/pci15ad,790@11/pci15ad,1976@2/communications@1/modem@0,2 (usbsacm0) 
online
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Data: 21 giugno 2011 15.29.33 CEST
Oggetto: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Openindiana in VMWare and usb devices
Thanks, but this doesn't happen on native machine, just only inside VMWare.
Actually, yes, tip is suid uucp, but the device is rw to anyone by default:
crw-rw-rw-   1 root sys   99, 131072 Jun 21 23:25 modem@0,2:0,cu
and then linked to /dev/rmt/0
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Oggetto: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Openindiana in VMWare and usb devices
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:54:07AM +0200, Gabriele Bulfon wrote:
Here is the output of truss:
[...]
stat("/dev/cua/0", 0x08047B90)  = 0
open("/var/spool/locks/LTMP.1099", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0444) = 3
open("/dev/cua/0", O_RDWR)  Err#6 ENXIO
tip: /dev/cua/0: No such device or address
stat("/dev/cua/0", 0x08047B90)  = 0
all ports busy
The device is present, and linked:
Does it look like this?
$ ll -L /dev/cua
total 0
crw---   1 uucp uucp 106, 131072 Jun 21 07:24 a
$ ll /usr/bin/tip
-r-s--x--x   1 uucp bin70980 Nov  5  2010 /usr/bin/tip
This is on Solaris 11 Express, but it shouldn't have changed.  `tip'
is supposed to be setuid uucp.  The device is supposed to be owned
by uucp.
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] USB 3.0

[ken mays]

Apostolos,
 
I went through the kernel code and driver mods for USB 3.0 for illumos_gate. 
Having NTFS-3G and USB 3.0 for creative artists is a need for all of the media 
devices and data transfers for server backups.
 
Patchable, and going through official channels for stability and support...
 
~ Ken Mays

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From: Apostolos Syropoulos 
Subject: [OpenIndiana-discuss] USB 3.0
To: "openindiana" 
Date: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 8:32 AM




Hello,

I would like to know if there are any plans to
include support for USB 3.0 devices? I suppose 

thatsys-admins don't need this, but I guess 

ordinaryusers would love to have this feature.

Regards,

A.S.

 
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Setting up Samba 3.5.9

[CJ Keist]

Thank you. The -a flag did work to get my initial conf setup. I will 
just disable swat now that I have Samba running.




On 6/20/11 3:48 AM, Jonathan Adams wrote:

http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/SWAT.html

According to this it should be possible to run the swat in demo mode
by specifying the "-a" flag ... although this isn't advised in
production ...

you should then be able to modify the config and specify the allowed
hosts and the Admin users ... you could then remove the "-a" flag and
run ... maybe.

Jon

On 18 June 2011 22:34, CJ Keist  wrote:

Hello,
New user with OpenIndian for a new file server.  Installed OpenIndiana
Development oi_148 X86
with all latest updates.  From what I understand is there is no root
account, only a root role is that right?  Problem is that when you install
Samba and Swat, you need root account to login to Swat to get full admin
access to configure Samba.  I cannot get logged into Swat with root.  How do
you go about enabling root account on OpenIndiana or creating a root like
account for Samba?  I tried creating an account manually with uid and gid of
0, but still couldn't log in to Swat.

By way I installed Samba 3.5.9 from source to /opt directory.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Question about drive LEDs

[Fred Liu]

>
>As an aside, I have built a fully functional "7210 Unified Storage
>Server Clone" running on Supermicro hardware and some customised
>definitions in the management software to match the new hardware.
>That setup fully supported drive locator and failure indications, so the
>generic hardware can do it with the right software.
>
>
>Mark.
>

Can you shed more lights on it?

Thanks.

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Openindiana in VMWare and usb devices

[Gabriele Bulfon]

Thanks, but this doesn't happen on native machine, just only inside VMWare.
Actually, yes, tip is suid uucp, but the device is rw to anyone by default:
crw-rw-rw-   1 root sys   99, 131072 Jun 21 23:25 modem@0,2:0,cu
and then linked to /dev/rmt/0
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On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:54:07AM +0200, Gabriele Bulfon wrote:
Here is the output of truss:
[...]
stat("/dev/cua/0", 0x08047B90)  = 0
open("/var/spool/locks/LTMP.1099", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0444) = 3
open("/dev/cua/0", O_RDWR)  Err#6 ENXIO
tip: /dev/cua/0: No such device or address
stat("/dev/cua/0", 0x08047B90)  = 0
all ports busy
The device is present, and linked:
Does it look like this?
$ ll -L /dev/cua
total 0
crw---   1 uucp uucp 106, 131072 Jun 21 07:24 a
$ ll /usr/bin/tip
-r-s--x--x   1 uucp bin70980 Nov  5  2010 /usr/bin/tip
This is on Solaris 11 Express, but it shouldn't have changed.  `tip'
is supposed to be setuid uucp.  The device is supposed to be owned
by uucp.
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Openindiana in VMWare and usb devices

[Gary Mills]

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:54:07AM +0200, Gabriele Bulfon wrote:
> Here is the output of truss:
[...]
> stat("/dev/cua/0", 0x08047B90)  = 0
> open("/var/spool/locks/LTMP.1099", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0444) = 3
> open("/dev/cua/0", O_RDWR)  Err#6 ENXIO
> tip: /dev/cua/0: No such device or address
> stat("/dev/cua/0", 0x08047B90)  = 0
> all ports busy
> The device is present, and linked:

Does it look like this?

$ ll -L /dev/cua
total 0
crw---   1 uucp uucp 106, 131072 Jun 21 07:24 a
$ ll /usr/bin/tip
-r-s--x--x   1 uucp bin70980 Nov  5  2010 /usr/bin/tip

This is on Solaris 11 Express, but it shouldn't have changed.  `tip'
is supposed to be setuid uucp.  The device is supposed to be owned
by uucp.

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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Moving an installed zone to a new pool

[Jesper Fruergaard Andersen]

I have OpenIndiana installed with one non global zone. I have added
some disks and created a new pool. The plan is to move everything to
this new pool so the old one and its disks can be removed.
I have used zfs send and receive to move everything except the zone.
I can't figure out how to move the zone and update the configuration
to boot of the new pool. Can someone explain how I could do that?

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[peter jones]

Oi covers both basis standing for openindiana and open
illuminos.ittransfers well into immerging market languages of brazil
and asia whos
language confinds don't pick up longer words or english associations well.To
get you started on this...it has to be easally transferable across
cultures,it should be recognised by upto three associations (eg open source)
it must be simplistic in its conveyance of value(language,word or logo)
easey to maintain,and be easally remembered by you target audience.Once you
have started to support a brand choice there is no going back . A brand
professional is alway the best path.

On 21 Jun 2011 10:46, "Svein Skogen (Listmail account)" <
svein-listm...@stillbilde.net> wrote:
> On 21.06.2011 11:33, Gabriel de la Cruz wrote:
>> I have liferay servers that I could offer for hosting a decent website
for
>> the project, some profesional designers, and we could code some java
>> banners, menus and such. This could be deployed rather fast.
>
> Perhaps, if someone came up with a cute mascot for the project, someone
> could bribe Tatsumi Hosokawa to make us a theme? Something like
> http://fromto.cc/hosokawa/gallery/images/moon.jpg would have a certain
> "feeling" about it. Maybe something of a pun on feathers and melting
wax...
>
> //Svein
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Didier Carlier]

Personal opinion : marketing is highly overrated (by marketers of course...).
OpenIndiana and Solaris 11 will succeed/fail because of their technical 
abilities, no pretty name will change that.

I believe a more useful job for marketers would be to better advertise these 
technical advantages like the fair share scheduler, crossbow, zones, zfs etc.

On 21 Jun 2011, at 01:53, Blake wrote:

> Does anyone besides me feel that we need a more unified naming/branding
> approach for the community-driven descendants of OpenSolaris? I feel that
> the there is no obvious connection (for those new to the platform) between
> Illumos/OpenIndiana, which I think is counterproductive given that
> OpenIndiana is sort of the 'Fedora Core' of Illumos.
> 
> Some possible names:
> 
> Illumos Live
> 
> Illumos Core
> 
> Illumos [version_number] - [adjective] [animal]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> (kidding about the last one)
> 
> 
> I think OpenIndiana is great, I just don't think that the name 'Indiana'
> means anything to anyone and isn't very memorable.
> 
> 
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Gabriel de la Cruz]

Absolutely we need branding, we need to start working on proper websites for
both projects (here I include Illumos), and we need to start approaching the
marketing question.

I got used to the illumos name, I still find openindiana a pretey unsexy
name, but we can go on with it if we cheer up other aspects of the
trademark.

I sugested time ago to turn the "i" upside down and trun it into an
exclamation "!", this would make O! instead of OI, with a proper tipeface it
is still posible to read it as an i.   The dot of the exclamation mark
should be below the bottom line of the word, sorry I cannot ilustrate that
on plain text. I would paste the words togeter but use different collor for
"open" and "indiana" open!ndana.
Anyway "O" stands for open, and the excalmation mark enphasized the opening.

The indiana part of open!ndiana points out to opensolaris past, even if it
reminds some very local american lifestyle Not fantastic but we can go
with it.
This way we have a logo O!  and a trademark open!ndiana.

I think we need the illumos trademark to be very visible all around. It must
be clear that Oi (O!) runs on illumos

I have liferay servers that I could offer for hosting a decent website for
the project, some profesional designers, and we could code some java
banners, menus and such. This could be deployed rather fast.

I liked Garret´s t-shirt on the videos, I would sugest to redraw the bird a
bit.

Feel free to contact if you have some sugestions.

Cheers,

gab





On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Marion Hakanson  wrote:

> kgund...@teamcool.net said:
> > But all that is neither here nor there.  The point is that your idea
> > was/is lame.
>
> Yeah, but what do you think of my idea?
>
>
> >  And that your mother probably dresses you funny...
>
> Not for several decades, she hasn't (:-).
>
>
> kgund...@teamcool.net said:
> > P.S.; In the event it may have been less than obvious... above was
> intended
> > to be taken with a sense of humor ;-P
>
> Phew, for a minute there I thought you might not entirely agree with me
> (:-).
>
>
> > ...Marion Hakanson wrote:
> > > I also happen to think "illumos" is an excellent name.  Use it
> everywhere.
>
> OK, I may have exaggerated a bit.  But I do like the name -- I think it's
> a clever play on words, in multiple directions.  And the fact that most of
> my immediate family members are well-versed in the Harry Potter stories
> probably has nothing to do with it.
>
>
> kgund...@teamcool.net said:
> > I kind of like OpenIndiana, particularly when contracted to
> > "oi", as compared to Illumos in that at least it conveys that this is
> > supposed to be an "Open" project (although "Open" has been so misused by
> > marketroids trying to cash in on the Open Source phenom that in more
> > recent times its use has almost become a red flag, particularly
> > following the Orcale OpenSolaris fiasco).
>
> I'm enough of an old Unix geek that I dislike the "Indiana" name's
> association with a project that was an attempt to make Solaris more
> Linux-like.  I'm also one of those who puts /usr/gnu/bin at the end of the
> PATH at install time (yet note that I do not remove it entirely), just so
> you know which segment of the target audience I'm in.  Of course, my spouse
> is from Indiana, and that relationship is going pretty well, so you never
> can tell
>
> Never mind my opinion, however.  We all know that I have no future in
> marketing, nor likely in any popular or for-profit enterprise of any kind.
>
> We now return you to your lameness-free content (:-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Marion
>
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Openindiana in VMWare and usb devices

[Gabriele Bulfon]

I forgot this info, in /var/adm/messages:
Jun 21 18:47:16 openindiana usba: [ID 912658 kern.info] USB 1.10 interface 
(usbif6e0,f11a.config2.0) operating at full speed (USB 1.x) on USB 1.10 root 
hub: modem@0,2, usbsacm0 at bus address 2
Jun 21 18:47:16 openindiana usba: [ID 349649 kern.info] MultiTech 
Systems T9234ZBA-USB-CDC
Jun 21 18:47:16 openindiana genunix: [ID 936769 kern.info] usbsacm0 is 
/pci@0,0/pci15ad,790@11/pci15ad,1976@2/communications@1/modem@0,2
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Here is the output of truss:
sonicle@openindiana:/var/adm# truss -t stat,open tip /dev/cua/0
stat64("/usr/bin/tip", 0x08047984)  = 0
open("/var/ld/ld.config", O_RDONLY) Err#2 ENOENT
stat64("/lib/libc.so.1", 0x08047134)= 0
open("/lib/libc.so.1", O_RDONLY)= 3
stat64("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8.so.3", 0x08046C10) = 0
open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 3
stat64("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/libc.so.1", 0x08046AF0) Err#2 ENOENT
stat64("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/methods_unicode.so.3", 0x08046AF0) = 0
open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/methods_unicode.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 3
open("/etc/remote", O_RDONLY)   = 3
stat("/dev/cua/0", 0x08047B90)  = 0
open("/var/spool/locks/LTMP.1099", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0444) = 3
open("/dev/cua/0", O_RDWR)  Err#6 ENXIO
tip: /dev/cua/0: No such device or address
stat("/dev/cua/0", 0x08047B90)  = 0
all ports busy
The device is present, and linked:
sonicle@openindiana:/dev/cua# ls -l
total 3
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root  83 Jun 20 19:02 0 
-../../devices/pci@0,0/pci15ad,790@11/pci15ad,1976@2/communications@1/modem@0,2:0,cu
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root  42 Jun 20 18:55 a 
-../../devices/pci@0,0/isa@7/asy@1,3f8:a,cu
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root  42 Jun 20 18:55 b 
-../../devices/pci@0,0/isa@7/asy@1,2f8:b,cu
Here is the device:
crw-rw-rw-   1 root sys   99, 131072 Jun 21 18:47 
/devices/pci@0,0/pci15ad,790@11/pci15ad,1976@2/communications@1/modem@0,2:0,cu
Thanx so much :)
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Maybe the output of:
truss -t stat,open tip /dev/cua/0
will give us something to work with.
Mike
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 12:54 +0200, Gabriele Bulfon wrote:
Hi, I had no trouble with usb devices on native openindiana installations.
Now I installed openindiana inside VMWare4.1 that supports USB devices, and 
infact
they work correctly with Linux guests.
On a virtualized Openindiana, I can attach usb keys, and see them correctly.
I then attached an USB CDC modem, that usually works instantly on native setup, 
just
by running "tip /dev/cua/0" I can see it works.
On VMWare4.1, the modem is attached, I can see the device at /dev/cua/0 exactly 
linked
as it was in the native setup.
Running tip, I receive errors though.
Here is what appears in /var/adm/messages when the modem is attached:
Jun 20 20:45:00 openindiana usba: [ID 912658 kern.info] USB 1.10 interface 
(usbif6e0,f11a.config2.0) operating at full speed (USB 1.x) on USB 1.10 root 
hub: modem@0,2, usbsacm0 at bus address 2
Jun 20 20:45:00 openindiana usba: [ID 349649 kern.info] MultiTech 
Systems T9234ZBA-USB-CDC
Jun 20 20:45:00 openindiana genunix: [ID 936769 kern.info] usbsacm0 is 
/pci@0,0/pci15ad,790@11/pci15ad,1976@2/communications@1/modem@0,2
The pci device then is linked to /dev/cua/0 automatically.
Here is what tip says:
tip: /dev/cua/0: No such device or address
all ports busy
Any idea?
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[peter jones]

Oi is easally transferable across cultures..a new beginning is about
aligning to todays market..clearly there is an issue about building brand
associations..it was surely the intent to look at marketing after the distro
had undertaken a certain amount of devlopment?

On 21 Jun 2011 00:53, "Blake"  wrote:
> Does anyone besides me feel that we need a more unified naming/branding
> approach for the community-driven descendants of OpenSolaris? I feel that
> the there is no obvious connection (for those new to the platform) between
> Illumos/OpenIndiana, which I think is counterproductive given that
> OpenIndiana is sort of the 'Fedora Core' of Illumos.
>
> Some possible names:
>
> Illumos Live
>
> Illumos Core
>
> Illumos [version_number] - [adjective] [animal]
>
>
>
>
>
> (kidding about the last one)
>
>
> I think OpenIndiana is great, I just don't think that the name 'Indiana'
> means anything to anyone and isn't very memorable.
>
>
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Openindiana in VMWare and usb devices

[Gabriele Bulfon]

Here is the output of truss:
sonicle@openindiana:/var/adm# truss -t stat,open tip /dev/cua/0
stat64("/usr/bin/tip", 0x08047984)  = 0
open("/var/ld/ld.config", O_RDONLY) Err#2 ENOENT
stat64("/lib/libc.so.1", 0x08047134)= 0
open("/lib/libc.so.1", O_RDONLY)= 3
stat64("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8.so.3", 0x08046C10) = 0
open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 3
stat64("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/libc.so.1", 0x08046AF0) Err#2 ENOENT
stat64("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/methods_unicode.so.3", 0x08046AF0) = 0
open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/methods_unicode.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 3
open("/etc/remote", O_RDONLY)   = 3
stat("/dev/cua/0", 0x08047B90)  = 0
open("/var/spool/locks/LTMP.1099", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0444) = 3
open("/dev/cua/0", O_RDWR)  Err#6 ENXIO
tip: /dev/cua/0: No such device or address
stat("/dev/cua/0", 0x08047B90)  = 0
all ports busy
The device is present, and linked:
sonicle@openindiana:/dev/cua# ls -l
total 3
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root  83 Jun 20 19:02 0 
-../../devices/pci@0,0/pci15ad,790@11/pci15ad,1976@2/communications@1/modem@0,2:0,cu
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root  42 Jun 20 18:55 a 
-../../devices/pci@0,0/isa@7/asy@1,3f8:a,cu
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root  42 Jun 20 18:55 b 
-../../devices/pci@0,0/isa@7/asy@1,2f8:b,cu
Here is the device:
crw-rw-rw-   1 root sys   99, 131072 Jun 21 18:47 
/devices/pci@0,0/pci15ad,790@11/pci15ad,1976@2/communications@1/modem@0,2:0,cu
Thanx so much :)
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Maybe the output of:
truss -t stat,open tip /dev/cua/0
will give us something to work with.
Mike
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 12:54 +0200, Gabriele Bulfon wrote:
Hi, I had no trouble with usb devices on native openindiana installations.
Now I installed openindiana inside VMWare4.1 that supports USB devices, and 
infact
they work correctly with Linux guests.
On a virtualized Openindiana, I can attach usb keys, and see them correctly.
I then attached an USB CDC modem, that usually works instantly on native setup, 
just
by running "tip /dev/cua/0" I can see it works.
On VMWare4.1, the modem is attached, I can see the device at /dev/cua/0 exactly 
linked
as it was in the native setup.
Running tip, I receive errors though.
Here is what appears in /var/adm/messages when the modem is attached:
Jun 20 20:45:00 openindiana usba: [ID 912658 kern.info] USB 1.10 interface 
(usbif6e0,f11a.config2.0) operating at full speed (USB 1.x) on USB 1.10 root 
hub: modem@0,2, usbsacm0 at bus address 2
Jun 20 20:45:00 openindiana usba: [ID 349649 kern.info] MultiTech 
Systems T9234ZBA-USB-CDC
Jun 20 20:45:00 openindiana genunix: [ID 936769 kern.info] usbsacm0 is 
/pci@0,0/pci15ad,790@11/pci15ad,1976@2/communications@1/modem@0,2
The pci device then is linked to /dev/cua/0 automatically.
Here is what tip says:
tip: /dev/cua/0: No such device or address
all ports busy
Any idea?
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] branding for illumos/openindiana

[Marion Hakanson]

kgund...@teamcool.net said:
> But all that is neither here nor there.  The point is that your idea
> was/is lame.

Yeah, but what do you think of my idea?


>  And that your mother probably dresses you funny... 

Not for several decades, she hasn't (:-).


kgund...@teamcool.net said:
> P.S.; In the event it may have been less than obvious... above was intended
> to be taken with a sense of humor ;-P 

Phew, for a minute there I thought you might not entirely agree with me (:-).


> ...Marion Hakanson wrote:
> > I also happen to think "illumos" is an excellent name.  Use it everywhere.

OK, I may have exaggerated a bit.  But I do like the name -- I think it's
a clever play on words, in multiple directions.  And the fact that most of
my immediate family members are well-versed in the Harry Potter stories
probably has nothing to do with it.


kgund...@teamcool.net said:
> I kind of like OpenIndiana, particularly when contracted to
> "oi", as compared to Illumos in that at least it conveys that this is
> supposed to be an "Open" project (although "Open" has been so misused by
> marketroids trying to cash in on the Open Source phenom that in more
> recent times its use has almost become a red flag, particularly
> following the Orcale OpenSolaris fiasco).  

I'm enough of an old Unix geek that I dislike the "Indiana" name's
association with a project that was an attempt to make Solaris more
Linux-like.  I'm also one of those who puts /usr/gnu/bin at the end of the
PATH at install time (yet note that I do not remove it entirely), just so
you know which segment of the target audience I'm in.  Of course, my spouse
is from Indiana, and that relationship is going pretty well, so you never
can tell

Never mind my opinion, however.  We all know that I have no future in
marketing, nor likely in any popular or for-profit enterprise of any kind.

We now return you to your lameness-free content (:-)

Regards,

Marion



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[OpenIndiana-discuss] multipath on by default ?

[Mark]

I've been battling for a week with my first sas2 implementation and am 
losing badly.


It appears that the oi147 text installer has multipath enabled in the 
mpt_sas.conf by default.


OI installs fine, but the kernel freezes about where the mpt_sas driver 
message shows up unless I boot in single user mode first, and then to 
normal.


I did try enabling multipath boot, and trying two controllers, but that 
didn't help.


Add in buggy LSI 9211 firmware when using a SM chassis, and it isn't 
looking good.


I'm trying to use IR firmware to get ses but may try changing that to IT 
mode tomorrow.


Has anyone "been there, done that" with this combo ?

Mark.


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] compiling/linking of libdrm fails

[Olaf Bohlen]

Hi,

I want to try to upgrade my intel_drv Xorg module in the hope to get
it working on my notebook ,)
Therefore I need a newer libdrm, so I tried to compile it, but linking fails:

"xf86drm.c", line 2383: warning: implicit function declaration: _IOC
  CC libdrm_la-xf86drmHash.lo
  CC libdrm_la-xf86drmRandom.lo
  CC libdrm_la-xf86drmSL.lo
  CC libdrm_la-xf86drmMode.lo
"xf86drmMode.c", line 55: warning: no explicit type given
"xf86drmMode.c", line 77: warning: pointer to void or function used in
arithmetic
  CCLD   libdrm.la
Undefined   first referenced
 symbol in file
_IOC.libs/libdrm_la-xf86drm.o
ld: fatal: symbol referencing errors. No output written to .libs/libdrm.so.2.4.0
gmake[2]: *** [libdrm.la] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/home/olbohlen/src/libdrm-2.4.26'
gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/olbohlen/src/libdrm-2.4.26'
gmake: *** [all] Error 2


Any hints for me, what I can do? IOC is defined in some of the drm
headers in /usr/include/drm/, that's what I found by myself.

Yours

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] build ntfs-3g on oi_148 fail

[Apostolos Syropoulos]

Here are the patches.

A.S.

 
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] build ntfs-3g on oi_148 fail

[Apostolos Syropoulos]

> gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I..  -I../include/ntfs-3g     -g -O2 -Wall
> -MT ntfsresize.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/ntfsresize.Tpo -c -o ntfsresize.o
> ntfsresize.c
> ntfsresize.c: In function `replace_attribute_runlist':
> ntfsresize.c:1174: error: `INT_MAX' undeclared (first use in this function)
> ntfsresize.c:1174: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> ntfsresize.c:1174: error: for each function it appears in.)
> *** Error code 1
 

Hello,

I have successfully compiled ntfs-3g applying a small number of patches.
I have sent these patches to the developers but meanwhile you can get 
a working package from

http://www.sunfreepacks.com/

A.S.

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