[osol-discuss] Re: mod perl activation in Solaris 10 Apache2
You need to install Apache::Registry from CPAN, it isn't included by default with mod_perl. Log in as root and run /usr/perl5/bin/cpan, answer the configuration questions and then run 'i Apache::Registry' -- Alan Burlison -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Enright wrote: I'm currently looking at porting a certain Linux driver to Solaris' usbser/GSD framework, and am concerned about GPL/CDDL conflicts. I know that a typical port would not be allowed, however my intent is to only use the magic numbers and general chip programming logic rather than reuse code. Would I be able to do that? I guess a lawyer can give you a usable answer on that one. maybe there's a driver in one of the BSDs under their license for that device? that works around incompatibilities in the GPL without a lawyer :) Well, clean room rewrites are allowed; but that takes at least two people. If a European does it, you would not need two people. If the resultant work is too small to be a work of sufficient size, it may be covered by the European scientific small quote. But I suspect that this does not help us in the Solaris case as Solaris is a work covered by US Copyright. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: Re[2]: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question
Robert Milkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PM Eric Enright wrote: I'm currently looking at porting a certain Linux driver to Solaris' usbser/GSD framework, and am concerned about GPL/CDDL conflicts. I know that a typical port would not be allowed, however my intent is to only use the magic numbers and general chip programming logic rather than reuse code. Would I be able to do that? PM I guess a lawyer can give you a usable answer on that one. I guess that Sun should address this - it should be clearly stated in a FAQ (for developers) what to do in such cases (not just - consult your lawyer). Is it permitted or not? What about GPL, BSD, ...? It is most likely that the part of the GPL that tries to be viral is not enforcable. At least not a single case on court did try to find this out and there are several cases of GPLd software (at least one even on savannah.org - a FSF owned server) that illegally tries to change the license of third party (non GPL) software to be GPL, in case that the viral part of the GPL would be enforcable. The real problem that I see is that people may call OpenSolaris a GPL violating project even though there is no reason that would stand a case on court. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question
Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GPL as a standalone driver written to the Solaris DDI shouldn't be a problem as long as it stays under the GPL. However there isn't much change of that becoming part of the official OpenSolaris source tree unless someone discovers how to combine GPL and CDDL sources (one being project based the other being file based) without breaking the licenses. Note that the GPL does not use the term linking anywhere in the text. I am thus pretty sure (from reading the GPL) that a GPLd driver (cleanly using DDI/DKI) would be no problem. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Band of Brothers DVD--Update
Dennis: got an update on the Band of Brothers DVD? Once you have the ISO up on Blastwave, and the installation guide is set, we can start the production phase of the project: 1--Sara can start whipping up the DVD cover art in inserts... 2--We can figure out best timing for the first run (and the quantity) 3--We can PROMOTE THE ISO so that User Groups can burn them at will! Cheers, LKR ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question
Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 16:49 +, Darren J Moffat wrote: GPL as a standalone driver written to the Solaris DDI shouldn't be a problem as long as it stays under the GPL. However there isn't much change of that becoming part of the official OpenSolaris source tree unless someone discovers how to combine GPL and CDDL sources (one being project based the other being file based) without breaking the licenses. And this brings an interesting topic. Whether GPL-licensed OpenSolaris driver could be legally shipped as a separated package within an OpenSolaris-based distribution like NexentaOS? Why do you still believe that there is a difference between things distributed together with OpenSolaris and things distributed separately? Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question
Artem Kachitchkine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: case-by-case open source legal review process for incoming code. Not all code is incoming, some is simply out there. E.g. one question that comes up over and over again is: for a 100% GPL driver, available from the author's web page as binary+source, is it legal to download such a driver and run it in the OpenSolaris kernel. If it is, it opens up an alternative for both driver producers and driver consumers. My understanding of the GPL says that it is not prohibited. Note that even Richard Stallman did not say no when he was asked in this mailing list but rather pointed to the FSF web pages Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Band of Brothers DVD--Update
On 3/16/06, Laura Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis: got an update on the Band of Brothers DVD? In short, yes. Still working on it. Once you have the ISO up on Blastwave, and the installation guide is set, we can start the production phase of the project: 1--Sara can start whipping up the DVD cover art in inserts... I think I'll do the cover. What were you thinking of doing? Does Sara have a prototype or an idea in mind ? 2--We can figure out best timing for the first run (and the quantity) Wasn't the idea 1000 ? 3--We can PROMOTE THE ISO so that User Groups can burn them at will! Thats part of the documentation I think. Dennis ps: am real busy here. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: Mono .NET available on GNU/OpenSolaris!
can i use it on solaris10 x86 This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Mono .NET available on GNU/OpenSolaris!
MaTianyi wrote: can i use it on solaris10 x86 You can grab the Solaris 10 version from http://www.blastwave.org/ Regards, Moinak. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Mono .NET available on GNU/OpenSolaris!
On 3/16/06, MaTianyi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can i use it on solaris10 x86 see : http://www.blastwave.org/ Mono 1.1.13.4 Released for Solaris by Jonel Rienton at Blastwave Dennis Clarke ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Joerg Schilling wrote: Rich Teer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, IANAL, but it seems to me that one can't GPL magic numbers or algorithms, so provided that you don't use any of the GPLed code, I think you should be OK. I am not sure about the US Copyright system. In Europe, an algorithm would most likely be too small to be called a work. Right. ISTR reading somewhere a while ago that ideas aren't copyrightable or patentable, but the expression of those ideas ARE (at least in some jurisdictions). -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Band of Brothers DVD--Update
On 3/16/06, Stephen Lau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dennis, Got an ETA on when the DVD would be ready? I'm heading down to the FISL conference in April, and I'd love to burn a whole bunch of these DVDs and bring them with me. I wanted them ready for this Monday :-( As in two days ago. Or is it three ? I have been around the clock in the last week. You may be familiar with that. At this point I am slaving away and really trying to pack in as much as possible here. dc ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project proposal - Argentix
Tony Austman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was referring to GNU/Solaris distributions like Nexenta, Belenix and Schillix. SchilliX is no GNU/Solaris distribution as only a minority of the complete code from SchilliX is covered by the GPL. I asume that similar statements could be given for Belenix. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Band of Brothers DVD--Update
Or, do you have any action items that other folks in community could help you to get this over the finish line...your postscript said it all! Tell us how / what to do to help. Sara can collaborate with you on art. No worries there. LKR Stephen Lau wrote: Hi Dennis, Got an ETA on when the DVD would be ready? I'm heading down to the FISL conference in April, and I'd love to burn a whole bunch of these DVDs and bring them with me. cheers, steve Dennis Clarke wrote: On 3/16/06, Laura Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis: got an update on the Band of Brothers DVD? In short, yes. Still working on it. Once you have the ISO up on Blastwave, and the installation guide is set, we can start the production phase of the project: 1--Sara can start whipping up the DVD cover art in inserts... I think I'll do the cover. What were you thinking of doing? Does Sara have a prototype or an idea in mind ? 2--We can figure out best timing for the first run (and the quantity) Wasn't the idea 1000 ? 3--We can PROMOTE THE ISO so that User Groups can burn them at will! Thats part of the documentation I think. Dennis ps: am real busy here. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Band of Brothers DVD--Update
Laura Ramsey wrote: Dennis: got an update on the Band of Brothers DVD? Once you have the ISO up on Blastwave, and the installation guide is set, we can start the production phase of the project: 1--Sara can start whipping up the DVD cover art in inserts... 2--We can figure out best timing for the first run (and the quantity) 3--We can PROMOTE THE ISO so that User Groups can burn them at will! Hi, forgive me my ignorance please. What is this Band of Brothers DVD? I assume that it has nothing to do with the TV-show? ;-) Greetings Jens Siebert ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Band of Brothers DVD--Update
LOL--yes, not associated with the TV show. (which was great.) It is a DVD of Bellinix, Schillix and Nexenta distros of OpenSolaris. Stay tuned. Dennis Clarke is working on locking in the ISO...and it will be coming to a blastwave download center near you! ;) LKR Jens Siebert wrote: Laura Ramsey wrote: Dennis: got an update on the Band of Brothers DVD? Once you have the ISO up on Blastwave, and the installation guide is set, we can start the production phase of the project: 1--Sara can start whipping up the DVD cover art in inserts... 2--We can figure out best timing for the first run (and the quantity) 3--We can PROMOTE THE ISO so that User Groups can burn them at will! Hi, forgive me my ignorance please. What is this Band of Brothers DVD? I assume that it has nothing to do with the TV-show? ;-) Greetings Jens Siebert ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Band of Brothers DVD--Update
On 3/16/06, Jens Siebert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laura Ramsey wrote: Dennis: got an update on the Band of Brothers DVD? Once you have the ISO up on Blastwave, and the installation guide is set, we can start the production phase of the project: 1--Sara can start whipping up the DVD cover art in inserts... 2--We can figure out best timing for the first run (and the quantity) 3--We can PROMOTE THE ISO so that User Groups can burn them at will! Hi, forgive me my ignorance please. What is this Band of Brothers DVD? I assume that it has nothing to do with the TV-show? ;-) All three OpenSolaris Distro's on one DVD along with everything else that one would want. Dennis ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Band of Brothers DVD--Update
On 3/16/06, Laura Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or, do you have any action items that other folks in community could help you to get this over the finish line...your postscript said it all! Tell us how / what to do to help. Get a technically gripped guy to help me with a step by step easy procedure to install and get SchilliX running well along with X Windows which is built in now. I have been through the process a few times now and in every case I run into a wall of some sort. I get to a point where I boot and have no /usr and that is a real drag : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/opensolaris/SchilliX/phase2/SchilliX_033.png Its not like I don't live and breath this stuff but SchilliX is a purist version of OpenSolaris .. like a race car with no air conditioning, door handles or seat belts. Also .. I am trying to get a multi-boot process working but that may too far out at this point. also .. doc doc docs ... I have tons to write and I have learned from harsh business experience .. never release anything until I am happy with it. If someone asks if they can have a font in cornflower blue I will go completely Tyler Durden on them. :-) Sara can collaborate with you on art. No worries there. np Dennis ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Band of Brothers DVD--Update
Dennis Clarke wrote: All three OpenSolaris Distro's on one DVD along with everything else that one would want. Has Chandan done the artwork for the Band of Brothers t-shirt yet? Sean. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Band of Brothers DVD--Update
On 3/16/06, Sean Sprague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis Clarke wrote: All three OpenSolaris Distro's on one DVD along with everything else that one would want. Has Chandan done the artwork for the Band of Brothers t-shirt yet? We need to drop this nice moniker Band of Brothers. It has already been used as a title to an authored work and a TV mini series produced and the whole nine yards : http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/bandofbrothers/ A better neame is needed and somehow OpenSolaris Distro DVD just falls flat on the floor for me. So feel free to open up discussion on a cool name. Dennis ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Band of Brothers DVD--Update
+1 Band of Brothers was really just a project name...not the real thing. LKR Dennis Clarke wrote: On 3/16/06, Sean Sprague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis Clarke wrote: All three OpenSolaris Distro's on one DVD along with everything else that one would want. Has Chandan done the artwork for the Band of Brothers t-shirt yet? We need to drop this nice moniker "Band of Brothers". It has already been used as a title to an authored work and a TV mini series produced and the whole nine yards : http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/bandofbrothers/ A better neame is needed and somehow "OpenSolaris Distro DVD" just falls flat on the floor for me. So feel free to open up discussion on a cool name. Dennis ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Band of Brothers DVD--Update
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 18:11 +, Sean Sprague wrote: Has Chandan done the artwork for the Band of Brothers t-shirt yet? http://www.flickr.com/photos/chandanlog/76005188/ ? -Chandan -- https://blogs.sun.com/chandan ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals
We would like to propose a solaris-internals community. The initial leaders would be Jonathan Chew, Eric Lowe, Eric Saxe, and me. We hope to expand this list quickly, with engineers from inside of Sun and from the community. There are quite a few communities dedicated to specific parts of Solaris, but none dedicated to Solaris as a whole. There is no single place where people can go for technical information about Solaris. The existing general OpenSolaris discussion groups are focussed primarily on OpenSolaris distribution, building, an usage issues, rather than on low-level technical details. The solaris-internals community would host one or more discussion groups. Initially there would just be a single group: solaris-internals. If the traffic warranted, we could create more specific discussions within the group. Some possible child discussions might be solaris-internals-newbies, solaris-internals-vm, solaris-internals-scheduling, etc. This group would serve as a repository for design documents that do not fall into one of the existing communities. This documents would cover both new projects as well as whatever historical information we can get clearance to publish. By acting as a central repository, this group would provide a way for engineers to make technical information publicly available without requiring them to undertake the responsibility of creating and maintaining their own communities. If the group prospers, would could propose folding some of the less active technical communities into it, reducing the proliferation of specialized communities. Nils ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Band of Brothers DVD--Update
On 3/16/06, Chandan B.N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 18:11 +, Sean Sprague wrote: Has Chandan done the artwork for the Band of Brothers t-shirt yet? http://www.flickr.com/photos/chandanlog/76005188/ ? Oh come on ! Now thats a slick DVD cover right there ! Dennis ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Band of Brothers DVD--Update
Chandan B.N. wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 18:11 +, Sean Sprague wrote: Has Chandan done the artwork for the Band of Brothers t-shirt yet? http://www.flickr.com/photos/chandanlog/76005188/ ? Very nice indeed! Just one small point: the word Nexenta is rather small in comparison to the grandeur of the other two. The giraffe theme kinda lends itself to having the word Nexenta arranged vertically along its neck. Regards... Sean. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Band of Brothers DVD--Update
Dennis Clarke wrote: On 3/16/06, Chandan B.N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 18:11 +, Sean Sprague wrote: Has Chandan done the artwork for the Band of Brothers t-shirt yet? http://www.flickr.com/photos/chandanlog/76005188/ ? Oh come on ! Now thats a slick DVD cover right there ! And (cough) t-shirt? ;-) Sean. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals
Nils Nieuwejaar wrote: The solaris-internals community would host one or more discussion groups. Initially there would just be a single group: solaris-internals. If the traffic warranted, we could create more specific discussions within the group. Some possible child discussions might be solaris-internals-newbies, solaris-internals-vm, solaris-internals-scheduling, etc. That sounds a lot like kernel internals - are you planning to cover user space topics as well or would kernel-internals be a better name? -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Band of Brothers DVD--Update
On 3/16/06, Sean Sprague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis Clarke wrote: On 3/16/06, Chandan B.N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 18:11 +, Sean Sprague wrote: Has Chandan done the artwork for the Band of Brothers t-shirt yet? http://www.flickr.com/photos/chandanlog/76005188/ ? Oh come on ! Now thats a slick DVD cover right there ! And (cough) t-shirt? ;-) hint received .. I see a product being created for all of us. Let's just go one step at a time and then see what we have in 24 hours or less. Dennis Clarke ps: perhaps someone can drop a line to some T-shirt mass producer and see if we can get this lined up. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project proposal - Argentix
Joerg Schilling wrote: Tony Austman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was referring to GNU/Solaris distributions like Nexenta, Belenix and Schillix. SchilliX is no GNU/Solaris distribution as only a minority of the complete code from SchilliX is covered by the GPL. I asume that similar statements could be given for Belenix. Yes. Belenix is not GNU/Solaris since it contains all the OpenSolaris bits and also contains non-GNU opensource software. Though the amount of OpenSolaris binaries in terms of MB is less than the amount of other code. I guess the term GNU/Solaris is applied not based on the quantity of GNU code but rather based on how the GNU stuff are being deployed. Both SchilliX and BeleniX are complete OpenSolaris environments and can boot and run as basic distros even if all the GNU code is removed. The GNU code is added as they add value and make the distro useful. Nexenta on the other hand is GNU/Solaris by design and it depends on the GNU userland stuff. Regards, Moinak. Jörg ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals
On Thu 03/16/06 at 11:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nils Nieuwejaar wrote: The solaris-internals community would host one or more discussion groups. Initially there would just be a single group: solaris-internals. If the traffic warranted, we could create more specific discussions within the group. Some possible child discussions might be solaris-internals-newbies, solaris-internals-vm, solaris-internals-scheduling, etc. That sounds a lot like kernel internals - are you planning to cover user space topics as well or would kernel-internals be a better name? I assume most of the topics would be kernel-related, but I don't know why we would want to make that a restriction. It's not even clear that a kernel-only group would make sense given how tightly intertwined some of the elements are. How do you talk about the thread model without including libc in the discussion? On the other hand, trying to include topics about Xorg would obviously be casting too wide a net. I think what we're shooting for is really something like ON-internals, but that's probably not a term that means anything to the general OpenSolaris community. If we really wanted to be difficult, I guess we could go for SunOS-internals. Nils ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals
* Nils Nieuwejaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-16 10:49]: We would like to propose a solaris-internals community. The initial leaders would be Jonathan Chew, Eric Lowe, Eric Saxe, and me. We hope to expand this list quickly, with engineers from inside of Sun and from the community. There are quite a few communities dedicated to specific parts of Solaris, but none dedicated to Solaris as a whole. There is no single place where people can go for technical information about Solaris. The existing general OpenSolaris discussion groups are focussed primarily on OpenSolaris distribution, building, an usage issues, rather than on low-level technical details. The solaris-internals community would host one or more discussion groups. Initially there would just be a single group: solaris-internals. If the traffic warranted, we could create more specific discussions within the group. Some possible child discussions might be solaris-internals-newbies, solaris-internals-vm, solaris-internals-scheduling, etc. This group would serve as a repository for design documents that do not fall into one of the existing communities. This documents would cover both new projects as well as whatever historical information we can get clearance to publish. By acting as a central repository, this group would provide a way for engineers to make technical information publicly available without requiring them to undertake the responsibility of creating and maintaining their own communities. If the group prospers, would could propose folding some of the less active technical communities into it, reducing the proliferation of specialized communities. I believe this proposal needs to provide further contrasts against existing communities and projects to make aspects more clear. (As a nit, the bare word solaris is not an appropriate part for a community name. I'm also not sure that opensolaris is better, as there are many participating technologies in OpenSolaris as a whole that could reasonably claim to have meaningful internals.) 1. What is the relationship between this community and existing, demonstrably technical communities, like the networking, zones, and zfs communities? 2. What is the relationship between this community and the existing ON (Nevada) community? Why is that alias, or a second alias (or project) not appropriate for hosting this content? (Why not [EMAIL PROTECTED]) 3. What is the relationship between this community and the existing opensolaris-code and opensolaris-rfe aliases (which are discussing technical topics regarding ON components)? 4. We're examining communities commenting on new community proposals and community-to-project demotion processes on cab-discuss; no aspect of that discussion really suggests that one community should propose its existence based on the subsumption of others. I certainly don't think that that's a suitable mechanism for the alleged proliferation problem. Cheers Stephen -- Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Band of Brothers DVD--Update
Well, I suppose the Three Amigos wouldn't fly either huh? T +1 Band of Brothers was really just a project name...not the real thing. LKR Dennis Clarke wrote: On 3/16/06, Sean Sprague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis Clarke wrote: All three OpenSolaris Distro's on one DVD along with everything else that one would want. Has Chandan done the artwork for the Band of Brothers t-shirt yet? We need to drop this nice moniker "Band of Brothers". It has already been used as a title to an authored work and a TV mini series produced and the whole nine yards : http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/bandofbrothers/ A better neame is needed and somehow "OpenSolaris Distro DVD" just falls flat on the floor for me. So feel free to open up discussion on a cool name. Dennis ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Band of Brothers DVD--Update
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Dennis Clarke wrote: ps: perhaps someone can drop a line to some T-shirt mass producer and see if we can get this lined up. I have a friend in the advertising specialities business. Supplying printed shirts and the like is what he does, so with some more info, I could ask him for a price. BTW, +1 on the Band of Brothers rename. Imagine the look on someone's face when they walk into Future SHop for a Band of Brithers DVD, and get handed an OpenSOlaris DVD! :-) -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 16:22 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 16:49 +, Darren J Moffat wrote: GPL as a standalone driver written to the Solaris DDI shouldn't be a problem as long as it stays under the GPL. However there isn't much change of that becoming part of the official OpenSolaris source tree unless someone discovers how to combine GPL and CDDL sources (one being project based the other being file based) without breaking the licenses. And this brings an interesting topic. Whether GPL-licensed OpenSolaris driver could be legally shipped as a separated package within an OpenSolaris-based distribution like NexentaOS? Why do you still believe that there is a difference between things distributed together with OpenSolaris and things distributed separately? You removed my other statement from original e-mail: My wild guess is that it would be OK. i.e. as I said, I do believe that it would be OK. i.e. no difference. :-) The only limitation for such a driver would be the fact that it will never become part of ON bits. Which is totally OK (taking in account of existence and stability of Solaris DDI interfaces). As a side note: for Linux kernel this code separation will *never* work since Linux and its development team doesn't care about such a drivers. Maintaining separated drivers for Linux kernel is extremely painful work and requires a lot of workers (examples VMware drivers) which small OSS project just can not afford. -- Erast ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Band of Brothers DVD--Update
Rich! BTW, +1 on the Band of Brothers rename. Imagine the look on someone's face when they walk into Future SHop for a Band of Brithers DVD, and get handed an OpenSOlaris DVD! :-) You've cracked it! The OpenSolaris DVD should be called Band of Brithers! Well done lad ;-) Sean. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] OpenSolaris : A Whole New World for UNIX to Explore!
http://www.blastwave.org/docs/index.html I am filling in my document tree there. Feel free to let me know if its lame, cool, okay or any comments at all. We need a name for the DVD and the 3 paradigm should be dropped as quickly as possible. We will most likely have a half dozen in another year and you must not forget the work going on with Polaris right now. The port to PowerPC is as real as real gets. Dennis Clarke Director Blastwave.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] 2 new request-sponsor putbacks: 45 total
Thanks to Rich Lowe and Robert Milkowski for these two bug fixes below and to Sarah Jelinek and Darren Moffat for sponsoring the fixes through to putback. Also note that Robert's led to an ARC case. Putback #44 ID: 62217306 Desc: ufs_log mdb module needs to be merged with the ufs one Submitted by Richard Lowe on 2/17/06 Sun Sponsor: Sarah Jelinek Putback to Nevada 37 on 3/14/06 Putback #45 ID: 6276934 Desc: ability import destroyed pools Associated PSARC case: 2006/082 zpool import destroyed pools Submitted by Robert Milkowski on 2/6/06 Sun Sponsor: Darren Moffat Putback to Nevada 37 on 3/16/06 Jim ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals
I believe this proposal needs to provide further contrasts against existing communities and projects to make aspects more clear. opensolaris-discuss is too broad an audience for internals discussions. opensolaris-code I thought was meant to cover code topics and questions, but has been overloaded to handle broader topics due to lack of a better general forum. Perhaps we could promote opensolaris-code to be the official discussion forum for internals, but I personally don't feel this is the right thing. Regardless of the discussion forum outcome, none of the existing discussion lists has a community page to host system internals documentation. We still need to fill that gap. Docs seems focused on end-user feature documentation. As for scope I'm on the fence as far as kernel-internals versus .*-internals. As long as there is something in between opensolaris-code and opensolaris-discuss which is far reaching, I'm fine with it as one of the leaders, though I prefer to err on the side of keeping it broad. 1. What is the relationship between this community and existing, demonstrably technical communities, like the networking, zones, and zfs communities? Networking, zones, zfs, etc. are focused on specific areas of the system, and a good portion of their discussion (the vast majority in fact) centers around learning about or using the specific features rather than learning about the nitty-gritty technical details. We want to create a forum which is 100% purely technical in nature. 2. What is the relationship between this community and the existing ON (Nevada) community? Why is that alias, or a second alias (or project) not appropriate for hosting this content? (Why not [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Same argument as above. 3. What is the relationship between this community and the existing opensolaris-code and opensolaris-rfe aliases (which are discussing technical topics regarding ON components)? Already covered above. 4. We're examining communities commenting on new community proposals and community-to-project demotion processes on cab-discuss; no aspect of that discussion really suggests that one community should propose its existence based on the subsumption of others. I certainly don't think that that's a suitable mechanism for the alleged proliferation problem. The communities which exist today have their place because there are aspects around learning about and experimenting with new features. Continuing down that path without providing a more general technical forum means that if I want to keep up on the state of the art of the system internals, I have to drown in non-technical information and discussion. Linux, NetBSD, FreeBSD, and others have kernel discussion lists for this reason. Beyond the discussion list we want to build a community page to capture system internals documentation and provide a one-stop shop for system internals (aside from buying the book). -- Eric Lowe Solaris Kernel Development Austin, Texas Sun Microsystems. We make the net work. x40577/+1(512)366-9080 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] 2 new request-sponsor putbacks: 45 total
On 3/16/06, Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to Rich Lowe and Robert Milkowski for these two bug fixes below and to Sarah Jelinek and Darren Moffat for sponsoring the fixes through to putback. Also note that Robert's led to an ARC case. Will this PSARC case be published on opensolaris.org site ? -- Regards, Cyril ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Band of Brothers DVD--Update
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Sean Sprague wrote: Chandan B.N. wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 18:11 +, Sean Sprague wrote: Has Chandan done the artwork for the Band of Brothers t-shirt yet? http://www.flickr.com/photos/chandanlog/76005188/ ? Reformatted. Very nice indeed! Just one small point: the word Nexenta is rather small in comparison to the grandeur of the other two. The giraffe theme Agreed. kinda lends itself to having the word Nexenta arranged vertically along its neck. Or some other solution Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Driver Porting Question
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 13:29 -0800, Rich Teer wrote: On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Erast Benson wrote: As a side note: for Linux kernel this code separation will *never* work since Linux and its development team doesn't care about such a drivers. Maintaining separated drivers for Linux kernel is extremely painful work and requires a lot of workers (examples VMware drivers) which small OSS project just can not afford. ALl the more reason for those driver developers to abandon Linux and target OpenSolaris! Indeed! The question is what we can do to speed up the conversion? I feel like not all of Linux kernel folks even understand the beauty of stable kernel interfaces. I feel like we (OpenSolaris community) need to educate independent Linux developers in this regard. What if Sun will start thinking about organization of some sort of free kernel seminars or summits like OpenSolaris Kernel Summits, where in addition to discussing future kernel development, developers could be educated for free, etc. -- Erast ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] How do I play dvds in solaris 10?
Hi, I was just wondering how to configure Solaris 10 to watch dvds that I put in my dvd r+-rw and also does Solaris 10 have a built in burning utility for cds and dvds? I am a Solaris 10 newbie, thanks. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] How do I play dvds in solaris 10?
Geoff writes: Hi, I was just wondering how to configure Solaris 10 to watch dvds Both mplayer and ogle are available from Blastwave. that I put in my dvd r+-rw and also does Solaris 10 have a built in burning utility for cds and dvds? Two of 'em -- cdrw and cdrecord. -- James Carlson, KISS Network[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals
* Nils Nieuwejaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-16 12:37]: On Thu 03/16/06 at 11:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. What is the relationship between this community and the existing ON (Nevada) community? Why is that alias, or a second alias (or project) not appropriate for hosting this content? (Why not [EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Nevada community seems to be shooting for a C-team kind of function, while we are trying to get to more of an I-team level. Also, we want to pull in historical information to help explain how we got to this point, which would seem inappropriate for a Nevada-specific group. But appropriate for an ON community. That is, if the current ON community were refined, such that its long-running aspects were the community focus and its specific release were a project (or at least separated), then the distinctiveness of internals is lessened. Have you talked with the current ON community leads to understand why they couldn't accommodate a modification that admits one or more of the internals proponents as a lead. This would address Eric's point of Beyond the discussion list we want to build a community page to capture system internals documentation and provide a one-stop shop for system internals (aside from buying the book). although that would also come from being a separate project endorsed by the ON community. 3. What is the relationship between this community and the existing opensolaris-code and opensolaris-rfe aliases (which are discussing technical topics regarding ON components)? [Reasonable responses elided.] My concern here was more connected with the fact that these grandfathered aliases exist and overlap (to whatever degree). I think I would like to hear about how to eventually close some of the program-wide aliases, as consolidations and communities evolve their own code submission discussions. * Eric Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-16 14:02] Networking, zones, zfs, etc. are focused on specific areas of the system, and a good portion of their discussion (the vast majority in fact) centers around learning about or using the specific features rather than learning about the nitty-gritty technical details. We want to create a forum which is 100% purely technical in nature. 2. What is the relationship between this community and the existing ON (Nevada) community? Why is that alias, or a second alias (or project) not appropriate for hosting this content? (Why not [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Same argument as above. Since the having a web page requirement is satisfied by at least two alternatives, I'm assuming that the argument you [Eric] mean is we don't fit into the current ON community because we're more technical. If you've already spoken with the current leads, do they agree that the community cannot expand to allow this area of discussion to fit? The communities which exist today have their place because there are aspects around learning about and experimenting with new features. Continuing down that path without providing a more general technical forum means that if I want to keep up on the state of the art of the system internals, I have to drown in non-technical information and discussion. Linux, NetBSD, FreeBSD, and others have kernel discussion lists for this reason. Near fatal mail immersions aside, I think my concern is that this community proposal appears to be satisfied by the expansion of the current coverage of the ON community's discussions, as additional content pages and discussion forums within that community, or as a project endorsed by that community (and perhaps others). It's difficult to envision the potential future contributors of this community, particularly given (out of context, but in support of my point) We want to create a forum which is 100% purely technical in nature. as being substantially distinct from, although perhaps smaller than, the future contributors to a specific release from the ON community. That is, it feels like a subset. - Stephen -- Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals
* Stephen Hahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-16 14:19]: My concern here was more connected with the fact that these grandfathered aliases exist and overlap (to whatever degree). I think I would like to hear about how to eventually close some of the program-wide aliases, as consolidations and communities evolve their own code submission discussions. This paragraph ended up being more ambiguous than I would like. Resolving the future of these aliases does not need to be addressed by the makers of the proposal; I was merely anticipating that this set of forums may become redundant, if more code-oriented forums arise. - Stephen ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals
Nils Nieuwejaar wrote: 2. What is the relationship between this community and the existing ON (Nevada) community? Why is that alias, or a second alias (or project) not appropriate for hosting this content? (Why not [EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Nevada community seems to be shooting for a C-team kind of function, while we are trying to get to more of an I-team level. Things were setup that way before projects existed and everything had to be a community. The Nevada community (which is misnamed to begin with), should become a ONNV project of an ON community which could also host your internals information. -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals
On Thu 16 Mar 2006 at 02:19PM, Stephen Hahn wrote: * Nils Nieuwejaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-16 12:37]: On Thu 03/16/06 at 11:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. What is the relationship between this community and the existing ON (Nevada) community? Why is that alias, or a second alias (or project) not appropriate for hosting this content? (Why not [EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Nevada community seems to be shooting for a C-team kind of function, while we are trying to get to more of an I-team level. Also, we want to pull in historical information to help explain how we got to this point, which would seem inappropriate for a Nevada-specific group. But appropriate for an ON community. That is, if the current ON community were refined, such that its long-running aspects were the community focus and its specific release were a project (or at least separated), then the distinctiveness of internals is lessened. I'd like to call Stephen on a technicality, but then agree with him :) There is no ON community today. There is an onnv (OS-Net Nevada) community. nv really implies a binding of that community to a particular release-- Solaris Nevada. So let me propose: - Rename and refactor the 'onnv' community into 'os-net' or some such. Remove its logical binding to the nevada release train. - Make onnv a project, logically tied to the os-net community. The C-team can run that project page. - Ponder some new convention around having -internals aliases inside of the communities (offhand, I imagine the zones, zfs, os-net and other communities might benefit). In some cases (like zones) we might want to move to a -users and -internals (or -developers) model, rather than the sort of free-for-all of -discuss. Thumbs down to the currently proposed community. Sorry guys :( Thanks, -dp -- Daniel Price - Solaris Kernel Engineering - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - blogs.sun.com/dp ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] libumem project proposal
I'd like to add a libumem project, underneath the Performance and Modular Debugger communities. The project would include: 1. discussion of libumem(3lib) work in progress / future work 2. pointers to ports of libumem to other systems 3. documenting the use of libumem and its MDB dcmds 4. documenting libumem internals 5. support for people using, or wanting to use, libumem 6. comparisons with other allocators We'd start with a single mailing list, [EMAIL PROTECTED] One of the initial pushes would be to get an initial draft of a Modular Debugger Guide chapter on libumem out for comment. The project is intended to be on-going. Cheers, - jonathan -- Jonathan Adams, Solaris Kernel Development ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals
Things were setup that way before projects existed and everything had to be a community. The Nevada community (which is misnamed to begin with), should become a ONNV project of an ON community which could also host your internals information. ... and proposed discussion list(s). Agreed, this proposed structure does sound a lot more sensible than the current way it's set up. - Eric ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] opensolaris-{code, rfe, bugs} (was Community proposal: solaris-internals)
sch == Stephen Hahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: sch I think I would like to hear about how to eventually close some sch of the program-wide aliases, as consolidations and communities sch evolve their own code submission discussions. I think opensolaris-code can just go away. It was originally created during the Pilot program, when there was a single consolidation and a lot fewer people. When I proposed it, I thought of it as a stopgap measure to deal with the high traffic, much of it non-technical, on opensolaris-discuss. Now that we have multiple consolidations, each with (at least) its own discuss list, and a whole lot more people, opensolaris-code serves only to confuse people about where they should post. I'd like to see opensolaris-bugs and opensolaris-rfe go away, too. Bugs and RFEs should get posted to the bug database, not mailing lists. mike ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] libumem project proposal
Jonathan Adams writes: I'd like to add a libumem project, underneath the Performance and Modular Debugger communities. Seconded. liane -- Liane Praza, Solaris Kernel Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://blogs.sun.com/lianep ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: opensolaris-{code, rfe, bugs} (was Community proposal: solaris-internals)
Mike Kupfer wrote: I think opensolaris-code can just go away. It was originally created .. I'd like to see opensolaris-bugs and opensolaris-rfe go away, too. Bugs and RFEs should get posted to the bug database, not mailing lists. Agreed. - Eric ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] How do I play dvds in solaris 10?
On 3/16/06, James Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geoff writes: Hi, I was just wondering how to configure Solaris 10 to watch dvds Both mplayer and ogle are available from Blastwave. sorry for the dark image : http://www.blastwave.org/articles/KDE-0002/mplayer.png That was from a while ago. It was playing on a old IBM ThinkPad with a 1GHz Intel Celeron and 256MB of RAM. It played well enough. Dennis ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] 2 new request-sponsor putbacks: 45 total
Cyril Plisko wrote: On 3/16/06, Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to Rich Lowe and Robert Milkowski for these two bug fixes below and to Sarah Jelinek and Darren Moffat for sponsoring the fixes through to putback. Also note that Robert's led to an ARC case. Will this PSARC case be published on opensolaris.org site ? I don't see why not. John, how do we make this happen? Jim ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] libumem project proposal
Thanks, Jonathan. Eric will get you guys set up. Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathan Adams writes: I'd like to add a libumem project, underneath the Performance and Modular Debugger communities. Seconded. liane ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals
Eric Lowe wrote: So let me propose: - Rename and refactor the 'onnv' community into 'os-net' or some such. Remove its logical binding to the nevada release train. There is already a separate community for networking, so if we go that route I think this community should just be for the OS part. Then you'ld have to define OS. The official definition of the Solaris Operating System is the entire WOS, from kernel through desktop and servers, all the consolidations, so presumably you're thinking of the subset of ON that's not networking. Maybe Core OS or something? -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals
Then you'ld have to define OS. The official definition of the Solaris Operating System is the entire WOS, from kernel through desktop and servers, all the consolidations, so presumably you're thinking of the subset of ON that's not networking. Maybe Core OS or something? Yes, core OS - kernel, utilities, and libraries. X, freeware, etc. I would imagine would eventually have their own communities on OpenSolaris, or communities outside of Sun already? - Eric ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: How do I play dvds in solaris 10?
Check out Ben Rockwwod's little intro to [i]cdrw[/i] here: a href=http://www.cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=244;http://www.cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=244/a Or here is another guide for using [i]cdrecord[/i]: a href=http://www.physics.ucsb.edu/~pcs/apps/solaris_cdr_burning.html;http://www.physics.ucsb.edu/~pcs/apps/solaris_cdr_burning.html/a If you have a preference for GUI tools check out [i]X-CD-Roast[/i]: a href=http://www.xcdroast.org/;http://www.xcdroast.org//a Hopefully this helps you out :) This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals
Jumping in...from the docs community perspective, it would be great to have a repository for technical design documentation as proposed here. Documentation (design, arc, admin, user, dev, etc.) cuts across the whole of the OpenSolaris project and should be a top-level item when you arrive at opensolaris.org. Otherwise, folks have to drill into each community and project to find technical info (boring) and people can't get a big-picture view of all the documents available to them or see where they might fill a gap, learn something new, or get help independently (confusing). Bug 6370879 was filed on this, but hasn't been implemented yet. -Michelle X-Original-To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Delivered-To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:13:55 -0600 From: Eric Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals To: Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060113) Cc: Nils Nieuwejaar [EMAIL PROTECTED], opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org, Stephen Hahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-BeenThere: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 List-Id: General OpenSolaris Discussion List opensolaris-discuss.opensolaris.org List-Unsubscribe: http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-discuss, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] e List-Archive: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-discuss List-Post: mailto:opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-discuss, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Things were setup that way before projects existed and everything had to be a community. The Nevada community (which is misnamed to begin with), should become a ONNV project of an ON community which could also host your internals information. ... and proposed discussion list(s). Agreed, this proposed structure does sound a lot more sensible than the current way it's set up. - Eric ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: Community proposal: solaris-internals
Michelle: I disagree about the project docs. I think project docs should live with the projects. That's where the conversations and collaboration are taking place. I do agree that there should be a top-level link to docs from the opensolaris.org home page. -Sue This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] opensolaris-{code, rfe, bugs} (was Community proposal: solaris-internals)
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Mike Kupfer wrote: sch == Stephen Hahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: sch I think I would like to hear about how to eventually close some sch of the program-wide aliases, as consolidations and communities sch evolve their own code submission discussions. I think opensolaris-code can just go away. It was originally created Agreed. during the Pilot program, when there was a single consolidation and a lot fewer people. When I proposed it, I thought of it as a stopgap measure to deal with the high traffic, much of it non-technical, on opensolaris-discuss. Now that we have multiple consolidations, each with (at least) its own discuss list, and a whole lot more people, opensolaris-code serves only to confuse people about where they should post. I'd like to see opensolaris-bugs and opensolaris-rfe go away, too. Bugs and RFEs should get posted to the bug database, not mailing lists. And they can be discussed on opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org, if necessary. Re: solaris-internals I see a need for a *very* technical, high signal-to-noise ratio list where (only) highly technical issues and their underlying architectural and design decisions are discussed. I don't expect the resulting list to have broad appeal - I would expect it to appeal to a much smaller audience that is highly technical and highly qualified. And to ensure that it remains so, I would suggest that this new community be 100% moderated. This will ensure that only highly technical posts make it to the list and that the high signal/noise ratio is maintained over the long term. The resulting list would be designed to attract talented developers because of its highly technical content and retain those members because of the consistant quality of the ongoing discussions and presented material. The ratio of (list) lurkers to posters would probably be unusually high - and many of those lurkers would be constantly challenged by the technical content of the topics discussed and presention data made available. Potential topics for discussion would include such topics as virtual memory management and ... well ... the sort of technical topics that make it into the upcoming version 2 of the book Solaris Internals! If we have enough moderators associated with the group, then the burden of list moderation can be spread over a large pool of willing volunteers and they would be encouraged to direct off-topic posts to the most relevant list - rather than telling them to 'go away'. I know that some will read this post and accuse me of technical elitism. My answer to that is simple: if we don't impose some low water mark (in terms of the technical level), then how can we expect to attract name brand highly technical developers to the list and why should we expect them to remain active and engaged if we subject them to hundreds of off-topic posts ranging for Linux is better at... to my 8-year old Pentium II computer with 128Mb of RAM and an 18Gb disk won't boot b36 etc. etc. The nature of the highly technical and talented developer is that they have limited tolerance to posts like my computer won't boot[1] and limited time to participate in the many, *many* lists that are competing for their attention. [1] so let me take out my crystal ball and determine the make/model date of manufacture, hardware configuration, software configuration blah, blah and give you the 'correct' answer first time! :) Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] engine(3) support for flood. Request testers with access to Niagara
Friends, if anyone has access to a niagara and can test this patch which I created to provide for engine(3) support for flood. Flood is a profile driven http load tester from the Apache Software Foundation. It is threaded and thus unlike ab can take advantage of the niagara architecture. The reason for adding engine(3) support is to make flood even faster when handling ssl responses ideally, it would be nice to have one niagara or part of a niagara (carved via zones) send HTTPS request via flood to Apache 2.2/mod_ssl (which has engine(3) support) Request should be made for somewhat large files (10k,20k) so as to push the RSA engine a bit Patch linked from this blog entry of mine http://blog.goolamabbas.org/?p=39 This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
