Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.
On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Matthew Gardiner wrote: Yes, it has changed - but I'm just frustrated at the lack of progress outside of the 'basics'. If you could be more considerate to folks that subscribe to this list, more of the engineers will offer more support and think better of you. I mean this in the sense of the amount of mail that is sent. We understand your frustration, been there done that... Filling the list with what Sun should do with any resources they have, is quite honestly unjust. You are really complaining to the opensolaris community, this is not a community that is even owned or dictated by Sun, other than a lot of folks on this list do work there. But don't feel bad, some of the folks at Sun don't even realize they don't own the community either.;-) -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.
On games, I'm not sure everyone knows this, so I'll point it out. Games are a killer app for PCs, and they have been for years. (They make people buy computers.) This is true, at least in my case: I built my first PC *ever* (which I still use today) seven years ago - just to play games. This is why I still have Windows(R) around, although I don't really play any more... Actually, I even got a few games working and packaged for Solaris - the Ur-Quan masters runs nice. The package is 130MB though. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.
On 8/3/07, Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Gardiner wrote: x86 being around for over 2 years and still no movement by Sun to improve the user experience in either hardware support or software availability. You think nvidia video drivers, wifi drivers, Macromedia Flash, and all the other drivers software appeared on their own for x86 with no effort by Sun? If so, you're very mistaken. I have used S10 as well as SXDE the there is huge difference in user experience. That is a point aside. This list is just not the right place to tell sun what should and shouldn't be doing with their product strategy. To start with, people working on the usability/device-driver support, etc need to use the 80-20 principle = work on the 20% of parts that give 80% of the benefits instead of trying to satisfy 100% of the users and exhausting all resources. regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.
So you're saying you may know what Indiana actually is? It seems to be a moving target, changing from day to day. How could that mean anything to anyone at this point I wonder? I'm writing that it means something to a certain profile / group of people. As is evident from the ensuing discussions on the topic, everyone has their own idea of what Indiana should entail. Personally, I believe it's nothing more than a marketing stunt and vaporware. Some of the already existing projects / products that have been in development for years will get bundled together and named Indiana, but this will be just pure coincidence. I predict that many will be sorely disappointed by the first release of Indiana, because I've observed that expectations and hopes are very high, but people seem to neglect the fact that Ubuntu, and Linux in general, have had been in development for years before they became as polished as they are now. Considering how much work on Solaris is ahead of us, and the ratio of end-users to developers, we've got a looong way to go, and it will take far longer than expected. That is, unless we either get an injection of developers or our end-users realize that the best way to scratch their own itch is to roll up their sleeves and help out with the code / gfx / audio... after all that's what happened to Linux and everybody accepts it, I don't see why that's unacceptable for Solaris. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Install opensolaris onto a 2G disk
So any suggestion? Thanks. On Friday, August 03, 2007 11:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does core system contain X stuff? I did not do like your ways, so maybe lose some dependency in your system. Halton. On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 10:17 +0800, Lu, Baolu wrote: I installed the gnome build 71 binary, and the core system + gnome eat up 1.9G size of my poor 2G. Anyway, a simple question :), how to enable gnome desktop system? Thanks. On Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I delete the build 69 tarballs this morning - you might have be accessing them around that time. I've uploaded build 71, based on 2.19.5 tarballs. http://dlc.sun.com/osol/jds/downloads/current/ As Halton says, the firefox and gnome tarballs should be enough. You can download the evolution tarball if you want Evolution. If you want localised messages, you will need the l10n and l10n-messages tarballs too. Extract the tarballs into the same directory. They will all have a install-jds shell script. Run it as root. It will install to /usr. Damien Halton Huo wrote: Add Damien to cc list, he may answer your question. Halton. On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 16:47 +0800, Lu, Baolu wrote: I should download two files firefox-vermillion_71x.tar 19374080 Bytes gnome-vermillion_71x.tar then extract and install them on the Solaris core system? Anyway, the two links on the page are invalid, although others work well. On Thursday, August 02, 2007 4:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, You could install latest vermillion, which is now based gnome2.19, the link is http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=135133ð ¿ Cheers, Halton. On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 16:14 +0800, Lu, Baolu wrote: Hi folks, I decide to intall the opensolaris onto a classmate PC, which has the memory size of 256M and 2G NAND flash storage space. The aim is to have the system run some kind of desktop system, like Gnome, and a browser, like firefox. I have installed the core system which occupied about 500-600M space. Next, I'd like to install the gnome desktop system. I want to try 2 ways: 1. Use the open source software from blastwave.org. 2. Try to install the gnome related packages from the installation DVD. Has anybody any suggestion? For 2, I don't know which packages should be installed and will that break the disk size limit? Thanks. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -- Halton Huo Solaris Desktop Team, Sun Microsystems Tel: +86-10-82618200 ext. 82113/ +86-10-626732113 Fax: +86-10-62780969 eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Allen Intel OpenSolaris Team -- Damien Carbery, GNOME Release Engineer Ext: x (70) 19218 -- Halton Huo Solaris Desktop Team, Sun Microsystems Tel: +86-10-82618200 ext. 82113/ +86-10-626732113 Fax: +86-10-62780969 eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Install opensolaris onto a 2G disk
Install Solaris Express Developer, http://developers.sun.com/sxde/download.jsp But not sure your 2G is enough or not. Halton. On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 15:05 +0800, Lu, Baolu wrote: So any suggestion? Thanks. On Friday, August 03, 2007 11:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does core system contain X stuff? I did not do like your ways, so maybe lose some dependency in your system. Halton. On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 10:17 +0800, Lu, Baolu wrote: I installed the gnome build 71 binary, and the core system + gnome eat up 1.9G size of my poor 2G. Anyway, a simple question :), how to enable gnome desktop system? Thanks. On Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I delete the build 69 tarballs this morning - you might have be accessing them around that time. I've uploaded build 71, based on 2.19.5 tarballs. http://dlc.sun.com/osol/jds/downloads/current/ As Halton says, the firefox and gnome tarballs should be enough. You can download the evolution tarball if you want Evolution. If you want localised messages, you will need the l10n and l10n-messages tarballs too. Extract the tarballs into the same directory. They will all have a install-jds shell script. Run it as root. It will install to /usr. Damien Halton Huo wrote: Add Damien to cc list, he may answer your question. Halton. On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 16:47 +0800, Lu, Baolu wrote: I should download two files firefox-vermillion_71x.tar 19374080 Bytes gnome-vermillion_71x.tar then extract and install them on the Solaris core system? Anyway, the two links on the page are invalid, although others work well. On Thursday, August 02, 2007 4:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, You could install latest vermillion, which is now based gnome2.19, the link is http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=135133ð ÿàCheers, Halton. On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 16:14 +0800, Lu, Baolu wrote: Hi folks, I decide to intall the opensolaris onto a classmate PC, which has the memory size of 256M and 2G NAND flash storage space. The aim is to have the system run some kind of desktop system, like Gnome, and a browser, like firefox. I have installed the core system which occupied about 500-600M space. Next, I'd like to install the gnome desktop system. I want to try 2 ways: 1. Use the open source software from blastwave.org. 2. Try to install the gnome related packages from the installation DVD. Has anybody any suggestion? For 2, I don't know which packages should be installed and will that break the disk size limit? Thanks. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -- Halton Huo Solaris Desktop Team, Sun Microsystems Tel: +86-10-82618200 ext. 82113/ +86-10-626732113 Fax: +86-10-62780969 eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Allen Intel OpenSolaris Team -- Damien Carbery, GNOME Release Engineer Ext: x (70) 19218 -- Halton Huo Solaris Desktop Team, Sun Microsystems Tel: +86-10-82618200 ext. 82113/ +86-10-626732113 Fax: +86-10-62780969 eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Halton Huo Solaris Desktop Team, Sun Microsystems Tel: +86-10-82618200 ext. 82113/ +86-10-626732113 Fax: +86-10-62780969 eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Install opensolaris onto a 2G disk
The installation of Solaris Express Developer Edition will occupy more than 4G disk space. My 2g space is not enough. On Friday, August 03, 2007 3:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Install Solaris Express Developer, http://developers.sun.com/sxde/download.jsp But not sure your 2G is enough or not. Halton. On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 15:05 +0800, Lu, Baolu wrote: So any suggestion? Thanks. On Friday, August 03, 2007 11:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does core system contain X stuff? I did not do like your ways, so maybe lose some dependency in your system. Halton. On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 10:17 +0800, Lu, Baolu wrote: I installed the gnome build 71 binary, and the core system + gnome eat up 1.9G size of my poor 2G. Anyway, a simple question :), how to enable gnome desktop system? Thanks. On Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I delete the build 69 tarballs this morning - you might have be accessing them around that time. I've uploaded build 71, based on 2.19.5 tarballs. http://dlc.sun.com/osol/jds/downloads/current/ As Halton says, the firefox and gnome tarballs should be enough. You can download the evolution tarball if you want Evolution. If you want localised messages, you will need the l10n and l10n-messages tarballs too. Extract the tarballs into the same directory. They will all have a install-jds shell script. Run it as root. It will install to /usr. Damien Halton Huo wrote: Add Damien to cc list, he may answer your question. Halton. On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 16:47 +0800, Lu, Baolu wrote: I should download two files firefox-vermillion_71x.tar 19374080 Bytes gnome-vermillion_71x.tar then extract and install them on the Solaris core system? Anyway, the two links on the page are invalid, although others work well. On Thursday, August 02, 2007 4:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, You could install latest vermillion, which is now based gnome2.19, the link is http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=135133à° ¿ Cheers, Halton. On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 16:14 +0800, Lu, Baolu wrote: Hi folks, I decide to intall the opensolaris onto a classmate PC, which has the memory size of 256M and 2G NAND flash storage space. The aim is to have the system run some kind of desktop system, like Gnome, and a browser, like firefox. I have installed the core system which occupied about 500-600M space. Next, I'd like to install the gnome desktop system. I want to try 2 ways: 1. Use the open source software from blastwave.org. 2. Try to install the gnome related packages from the installation DVD. Has anybody any suggestion? For 2, I don't know which packages should be installed and will that break the disk size limit? Thanks. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -- Halton Huo Solaris Desktop Team, Sun Microsystems Tel: +86-10-82618200 ext. 82113/ +86-10-626732113 Fax: +86-10-62780969 eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Allen Intel OpenSolaris Team -- Damien Carbery, GNOME Release Engineer Ext: x (70) 19218 -- Halton Huo Solaris Desktop Team, Sun Microsystems Tel: +86-10-82618200 ext. 82113/ +86-10-626732113 Fax: +86-10-62780969 eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Halton Huo Solaris Desktop Team, Sun Microsystems Tel: +86-10-82618200 ext. 82113/ +86-10-626732113 Fax: +86-10-62780969 eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Allen Intel OpenSolaris Team ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Regarding CDDL - using ufs code
Hi, I want to use the struct direct datastructure from the file ufs_fsdir.h - just that data structure in a proprietary code. I read the CDDL CDDL FAQ and i know I am allowed to do that, but I am not sure how much source code I need to release under CDDL. Am I allowed to do the following?: - take the data structure - save it in a .h file, which will have the required license text present. - make just this .h file open source and leave the .c files that use the data structure closed-source. Thanks, Amol This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Regarding CDDL - using ufs code
Thanks Darren for the suggestion. I'll anyways have to get in touch with my superiors for this case, decide on the options, and then go ahead. Amol This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.
Matthew Gardiner wrote: When am I going to see support for my USB webcam? infact, a large number of products in my laptop made by Ricoh, who are more than happy to provide specifications to those who want them? When you stop trolling, and start coding? -- Alan Burlison -- ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.
On 8/3/07, Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Gardiner wrote: When am I going to see support for my USB webcam? infact, a large number of products in my laptop made by Ricoh, who are more than happy to provide specifications to those who want them? When you stop trolling, and start coding? The distinction between talk and action ... http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ogb-discuss/2007-May/000683.html Jim One comment I have on this, is that if you are going to offer criticism, please make sure you are armed with all the facts. Try to make it constructive, and most of all provide multiple actionable solution plans. (If not a solution yourself.) I know this is difficult. But it is a good habit to develop. (I myself came into this community armed with many opinions, and a dearth of facts. (But much enthusiasm.) I really would like to emphasize that the community leaders have been very patient, and have warmly welcomed new community members, such as myself. It has been a wonderful learning experience, and I am proud to be a member of this community. One thing I would definitely suggest is subscribing to all the discussions groups for a month or so. Once you have a feeling for what is going on it will provide you with enough information to understand what issues people are working, and how much work is actually being done. (Learn a lesson from me. Don't try to answer ever thread.) ;) Thanks, -Brian P.S. - My background is as an Enterprise Solaris customer, and not a developer. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.
On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 23:05 -0700, Alan DuBoff wrote: On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Matthew Gardiner wrote: Yes, it has changed - but I'm just frustrated at the lack of progress outside of the 'basics'. If you could be more considerate to folks that subscribe to this list, more of the engineers will offer more support and think better of you. I mean this in the sense of the amount of mail that is sent. We understand your frustration, been there done that... Filling the list with what Sun should do with any resources they have, is quite honestly unjust. You are really complaining to the opensolaris community, this is not a community that is even owned or dictated by Sun, other than a lot of folks on this list do work there. But don't feel bad, some of the folks at Sun don't even realize they don't own the community either.;-) True - I've put myself in the time out corner - so I've calmed down :-) Hopefully when I get through these books about C I'll port the driver :-) Matthew ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] mail from opensolaris.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I notice that some people (all of whom, I believe, work for sun), have an opensolaris.org email address. So, does opensolaris.org support email accounts? If so, how do I get one? The work for Sun is a complete Red herring. The original email from Stephen Lau is this one: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/contributors/2007-July.txt -- Darren J Moffat ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] mail from opensolaris.org
Hi, I notice that some people (all of whom, I believe, work for sun), have an opensolaris.org email address. So, does opensolaris.org support email accounts? If so, how do I get one? thanks, max ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Indiana Wish List
-web cam Works to some extent already with Ekiga. True, but many new cameras are UVC compliant but require firmware to be uploaded to it before it can operate using the generic UVC driver. The world of webcams are very diverse. There are so many different chips that are vendor private. It is a tough job to develop a bunch of webcam drivers to support them all. Fortunately, there are quite a few compliant to UVC and need not firmwares. More info see the following links. http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2007012201/ http://blogs.sun.com/colin/entry/usb_webcams_and_video_conferencing Colin ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] User defined functions call from Dtrace...!
Hi, How I do check how many times a user defined function is called, by using dtrace. I did from the command line by passing library and system call as arguments to dtrace: $ dtrace -n PID:libc:malloc for example, I defined a function called fun1() and I 'd like to debug fun1() with dtrace to know how many times fun1() is called, total time taken for execution, how many system calls fun1() called. could anyone pls suggest me... This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Install opensolaris onto a 2G disk
Lu, Baolu wrote: Hi folks, I decide to intall the opensolaris onto a classmate PC, which has the memory size of 256M and 2G NAND flash storage space. The aim is to have the system run some kind of desktop system, like Gnome, and a browser, like firefox. I have installed the core system which occupied about 500-600M space. Next, I'd like to install the gnome desktop system. I want to try 2 ways: 1. Use the open source software from blastwave.org. 2. Try to install the gnome related packages from the installation DVD. Has anybody any suggestion? For 2, I don't know which packages should be installed and will that break the disk size limit? Lu, Since you have only 2GB of storage space let me suggest two things: 1. You might want to try to use scripts from livemedia: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/livemedia/ Those scripts prepares *.iso to put on the DVD and also can install Solaris onto usb stick. A little modification will give your own set of packages, which is compressed, which will definatelly fit on the 2GB storage. 2. Compressed ZFS filesystem. I am not sure if it is possible to compress root ZFS, but always you can have compressed /usr /opt which gives you additional space. -- Michal ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 07:56 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: Matthew Gardiner wrote: - Original Message - From: Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]; MC [EMAIL PROTECTED]; opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community. Matthew Gardiner wrote: x86 being around for over 2 years and still no movement by Sun to improve the user experience in either hardware support or software availability. You think nvidia video drivers, wifi drivers, Macromedia Flash, and all the other drivers software appeared on their own for x86 with no effort by Sun? If so, you're very mistaken. When am I going to see support for my USB webcam? infact, a large number of products in my laptop made by Ricoh, who are more than happy to provide specifications to those who want them? Or will it be the typical defence of Solaris engineers - its designed for servers, who needs webcams blah blah blah blah? I haven't heard anyone say it's only for servers in a very long time. I'm sorry you have devices not yet supported, but just because we haven't hit every possible device in the world doesn't mean Sun has done nothing at all - it's just prioritized along different priorities than yours. But the whole point of OpenSolaris is to allow anyone to set their own priorities for developing code and not be stuck waiting for Sun to do things in the order set by Sun's priorities. Sorry :-( Like I said, I get crabby and impatient. A little time in the 'time out corner' made me think about what I said. Matthew ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.
Matthew Gardiner wrote: - Original Message - From: Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]; MC [EMAIL PROTECTED]; opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community. Matthew Gardiner wrote: x86 being around for over 2 years and still no movement by Sun to improve the user experience in either hardware support or software availability. You think nvidia video drivers, wifi drivers, Macromedia Flash, and all the other drivers software appeared on their own for x86 with no effort by Sun? If so, you're very mistaken. When am I going to see support for my USB webcam? infact, a large number of products in my laptop made by Ricoh, who are more than happy to provide specifications to those who want them? Or will it be the typical defence of Solaris engineers - its designed for servers, who needs webcams blah blah blah blah? I haven't heard anyone say it's only for servers in a very long time. I'm sorry you have devices not yet supported, but just because we haven't hit every possible device in the world doesn't mean Sun has done nothing at all - it's just prioritized along different priorities than yours. But the whole point of OpenSolaris is to allow anyone to set their own priorities for developing code and not be stuck waiting for Sun to do things in the order set by Sun's priorities. -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Regarding CDDL - using ufs code
Thank you Frank for the pieces of information. I found the solution. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Regarding CDDL - using ufs code
On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, amol wrote:
Hi,
I want to use the struct direct datastructure from the file ufs_fsdir.h -
just that
data structure in a proprietary code. I read the CDDL CDDL FAQ and i know I
am allowed to do that, but I am not sure how much source code I need to
release under CDDL.
Am I allowed to do the following?:
- take the data structure
- save it in a .h file, which will have the required license text present.
- make just this .h file open source and leave the .c files that use the data
structure closed-source.
Thanks,
Amol
If you're so horridly worried about licensing nits, I suggest to sidestep
_that_ problem.
Compare struct direct from:
http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/common/sys/fs/ufs_fsdir.h
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/ufs/ufs/dir.h?rev=1.12
The first one, CDDL/OpenSolaris, is:
struct direct {
uint32_td_ino; /* inode number of entry */
ushort_td_reclen; /* length of this record */
ushort_td_namlen; /* length of string in d_name */
chard_name[MAXNAMLEN + 1]; /* name must be no longer than this */
};
The second one, BSD/FreeBSD, is:
struct direct {
u_int32_t d_ino;/* inode number of entry */
u_int16_t d_reclen; /* length of this record */
u_int8_t d_type; /* file type, see below */
u_int8_t d_namlen; /* length of string in d_name */
char d_name[MAXNAMLEN + 1];/* name with length = MAXNAMLEN */
};
Layout compatible, but the second one is BSD licensed.
Finally:
For the real license zealots, pick:
http://lxr.linux.no/source/include/linux/ufs_fs.h#L326
In short, you have all options.
FrankH.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Regarding CDDL - using ufs code
amol wrote: Hi, I want to use the struct direct datastructure from the file ufs_fsdir.h - just that data structure in a proprietary code. I read the CDDL CDDL FAQ and i know I am allowed to do that, but I am not sure how much source code I need to release under CDDL. Am I allowed to do the following?: - take the data structure - save it in a .h file, which will have the required license text present. - make just this .h file open source and leave the .c files that use the data structure closed-source. This list is not for legal advice. You are creating a derivative work and should seek qualified formal legal advice. What you have said sounds correct to me based on my understanding of the CDDL. However I am not a qualified legal professional and this is not legal advice. -- Darren J Moffat ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] mail from opensolaris.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I notice that some people (all of whom, I believe, work for sun), have an opensolaris.org email address. So, does opensolaris.org support email accounts? If so, how do I get one? Explained here: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/contributors/2007-July/48.html Jim -- http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.
Matthew Gardiner wrote: When am I going to see support for my USB webcam? infact, a large number of products in my laptop made by Ricoh, who are more than happy to provide specifications to those who want them? When you stop trolling, and start coding? The distinction between talk and action ... http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ogb-discuss/2007-May/000683.html Jim -- Jim Grisanzio http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] An open reply to the Open letter to the Solaris Community
Dear Wussboy, I am a total newcomer to the open source community, I am here as a person who grew up with Microsoft Windows, as a person who still admires Windows ( I have not used Mac ) for its ease of use features. With this background, WITH ADMIRATION FOR THE EASE OF USE OF FEATURES OF WINDOWS, I have been working on introducing desktop and notebook computers with Sun Solaris, initially for the professionals and eventually for the home users. http://www.isolatednetworks.com (The product line is still not announced in my website, but I have an interesting line of desktop computers and notebook computers soon to be introduced, built around the Sun Solaris operating system.) When I have talked about taking solaris home, I have been encouraged by those technical executives who have the vision, and I have found a few others skeptical. I am so forceful in my belief that the tasks ahead along the road to home are simple, very simple tasks. Windows is like a public park, appears manicured, pleasant and easy and comfortable for anyone to walk into (not said of Windows with cynicism, I am not a person who is anti-microsoft). Unix is like a Government Fortress, elaborately architectured, well engineered and secure. For someone to get into that building there are rules to be followed, routes to be learnt, guards to be encountered. It is difficult to make the Public Park secure like a fortress, but it is not so difficult to make a Government office appear friendlier. Take me as a convert. I am allergic to command prompts, I called Sun's ISV support to figure out how to power on a Sun Server when I got one, abandoned the idea of installing Solaris four year ago (probably because I was trying to install a Sparc O/S version on X 86 ?) and four years later took six weeks to complete my first installation, and six months more to fix little issues. I am that non-technical. I had never seen, read, never seen Solaris before, didn't know what Solaris looked like, never had my hands on Linux before, am someone who grew up with Windows, but as a user found the Java Desktop easy to switch to. Solaris 10 with Star Office across the Java Desktop interface posed NO DIFFICULTY for me, and I have been at ease right from day 1. I am not the mp3, webcam, mpeg type, so I did not find the features lacking in any way. Star office read word documents and excel sheets, mozilla accesses the internet, evolution fetches my mail, what else do i need ? In this public forum I am not going into details such as the marketing strategies that I have thought of to reach Solaris to the common man, because I am kind of a Proprietory person, still reluctant to disclose my innermost ideas, but let me simply say that there are millions out there who would find Solaris amazing for various reasons, some for Price, some for Security, some for its Openness and some for wrong reasons as hatred for Microsoft. What stops Solaris from reaching home ? Let me put on the shoes of a demanding home user. I get on to the net, Oh, yes, there is mozilla 1.7 , and now Firefox 2.0. I want to access email and I see Evolution as also the email client built into the browser. Wait a minute, I bought a webcam which does not work. And the DVD from my library does not play. Hey, I can't download the yahoo messenger. My MP3 player and my PDA does not synchronize. Solaris is useless. Good, you have games, a few games, but I wonder if i can play the games that come in DVDs ??? If my questions stopped the Linux community, had it been addressed to the Linux community, I wouldn't be surprised. But Solaris comes from Sun that 'owns' Java, which is an impossible platform independent software. If James Gosling et all could develop a platform independent language, why not a Universal Serial Device Driver, or some kind of a Platform Independent Device Driver Language ? (Dear Jonathan Schwartz, find an island in the Caribbean, name it the Green Island, but do make sure that it has a Oak tree ) On this, Sun can think that it can. In the meantime, all that Open Solaris and Solaris has to do is to identify a few more printers, a few more PDA phones, a few digital camera brands, work with the manufacturer and develop drivers for Solaris. There are small companies out there on the Internet that offer media players that play diverse file formats. May be Open Solaris and Solaris can work with them to make their products more stable, get them to port their software on Solaris. Java can cause magic for Solaris. I left a few posts on Java and its potential in my weblog weblogs.java.net/blog/isolatednetworks to ask what prevents Java from becoming the trendiest desktop in the world, the answer was that there was so little java in the java desktop. Leverage on your Java strengths to make Solaris easier. Again, as a user, what would do I have to say ? Hide your technical prowess from me. I go to the file browser and find a lot of
[osol-discuss] Solaris thinks that my standalone desktop is a huge network....
By standalone I mean a computer that is not part of a LAN, not even on a peer-peer connection, but one that gets on to the Internet. I have a desktop with Sun Solaris and I have this problem. Solaris thinks that my standalone desktop is a huge network with a thousand users or more. I need to figure out a way of making Solaris understand that I am the only person using this compuer which is all alone, by itself. I name is Shiva, and I want to tell my computer that it is my computer. It is ok for me if it allows another person called root who I figure out is a someone who is knowledgeable enough to get down to the root of the computer, it is not going to be me, it would be the support professional who would at some point of time visit me to look into my computer. But who is nobody? who is nouser? who is guest? What are groups? Why does Solaris say that I don't have the rights and privileges to access my DVD drive? Why does Solaris wait for the root user to log in to shut down my computer ? I can log out as Shiva, but I don't see the controls to shut down. So, I phone up support to come in and log in as root and shut down my machine every afternoon, evening and at night and in the middle of the night. And Solaris doesn't say yes immediately. It agrees to shut down, not until allowing 60 seconds to all other users who do not exist, after it sends out a broadcast announcing the system shut down, while I wait with my eyes fixed on the monitor on the messages that flash by in commnad prompt which I can't figure out, until Solaris finally shuts down... Solaris thinks that my computer is a huge network, so offers me plenty of functalities that I am not going to need nor understand. Solairs is elaborate, very elaborate and robust, but my computer stands alone. What do I need to tell Solaris to offer me just what I need and no more ? What components are needed and what need to be stripped ? If my computer is a standalone ? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] An open reply to the Open letter to the Solaris Community
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 10:12 -0700, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote: Dear Wussboy, I am a total newcomer to the open source community, I am here as a person who grew up with Microsoft Windows, as a person who still admires Windows ( I have not used Mac ) for its ease of use features. With this background, WITH ADMIRATION FOR THE EASE OF USE OF FEATURES OF WINDOWS, I have been working on introducing desktop and notebook computers with Sun Solaris, initially for the professionals and eventually for the home users. http://www.isolatednetworks.com (The product line is still not announced in my website, but I have an interesting line of desktop computers and notebook computers soon to be introduced, built around the Sun Solaris operating system.) When I have talked about taking solaris home, I have been encouraged by those technical executives who have the vision, and I have found a few others skeptical. I am so forceful in my belief that the tasks ahead along the road to home are simple, very simple tasks. Windows is like a public park, appears manicured, pleasant and easy and comfortable for anyone to walk into (not said of Windows with cynicism, I am not a person who is anti-microsoft). Unix is like a Government Fortress, elaborately architectured, well engineered and secure. For someone to get into that building there are rules to be followed, routes to be learnt, guards to be encountered. It is difficult to make the Public Park secure like a fortress, but it is not so difficult to make a Government office appear friendlier. Take me as a convert. I am allergic to command prompts, I called Sun's ISV support to figure out how to power on a Sun Server when I got one, abandoned the idea of installing Solaris four year ago (probably because I was trying to install a Sparc O/S version on X 86 ?) and four years later took six weeks to complete my first installation, and six months more to fix little issues. I am that non-technical. I had never seen, read, never seen Solaris before, didn't know what Solaris looked like, never had my hands on Linux before, am someone who grew up with Windows, but as a user found the Java Desktop easy to switch to. Solaris 10 with Star Office across the Java Desktop interface posed NO DIFFICULTY for me, and I have been at ease right from day 1. I am not the mp3, webcam, mpeg type, so I did not find the features lacking in any way. Star office read word documents and excel sheets, mozilla accesses the internet, evolution fetches my mail, what else do i need ? *cries* you'll never appreciate the true joy of using a real computer like an amiga, atari, amstraad etc. Its sad that today a computer is equated to Windows preloaded onto x86. In this public forum I am not going into details such as the marketing strategies that I have thought of to reach Solaris to the common man, because I am kind of a Proprietory person, still reluctant to disclose my innermost ideas, but let me simply say that there are millions out there who would find Solaris amazing for various reasons, some for Price, some for Security, some for its Openness and some for wrong reasons as hatred for Microsoft. People hate Microsoft because they're the 'big man' on the block. People who reinvent history to justify their hatred, or simply hate Microsoft because its something to hate and its what all the cool kids do. What stops Solaris from reaching home ? Let me put on the shoes of a demanding home user. I get on to the net, Oh, yes, there is mozilla 1.7 , and now Firefox 2.0. I want to access email and I see Evolution as also the email client built into the browser. Wait a minute, I bought a webcam which does not work. And the DVD from my library does not play. Hey, I can't download the yahoo messenger. My MP3 player and my PDA does not synchronize. Solaris is useless. Why do you need to download yahoo messenger? Pidgin/Instant Messenger supports those protocols out of the box. Good, you have games, a few games, but I wonder if i can play the games that come in DVDs ??? DVD's? I tend to play mine on my dvd player hooked up to the television. If my questions stopped the Linux community, had it been addressed to the Linux community, I wouldn't be surprised. But Solaris comes from Sun that 'owns' Java, which is an impossible platform independent software. If James Gosling et all could develop a platform independent language, why not a Universal Serial Device Driver, or some kind of a Platform Independent Device Driver Language ? (Dear Jonathan Schwartz, find an island in the Caribbean, name it the Green Island, but do make sure that it has a Oak tree ) Already done, UDK - it never caught on; originally written by Caldera, designed to be a API to bring the UNIX and Linux world. On this, Sun can think that it can. In the meantime, all that Open Solaris and Solaris has to do is to identify a few more printers, a few more PDA phones, a
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris thinks that my standalone desktop is a huge network....
It is ok for me if it allows another person called root who I figure out is a someone who is knowledgeable enough to get down to the root of the computer, it is not going to be me, It has to be you. You are the system administrator of your own system now, whether you wish it or not, whether you're aware of it or not. Why does Solaris wait for the root user to log in to shut down my computer ? I can log out as Shiva, but I don't see the controls to shut down. Because Solaris is a UNIX, and a UNIX is a multi-user system by design, no ordinary user can shut the system down. Imagine what would happen if 300 users were logged into the system working, or if the system was running applications and providing services, and you decided it was time to go home and shut the system down for the night? UNIX is not a single user system like Windows. The computing model is different. That is what it was designed for. And Solaris doesn't say yes immediately. It agrees to shut down, not until allowing 60 seconds to all other users who do not exist, after it sends out a broadcast announcing the system shut down, while I wait with my eyes fixed on the monitor on the messages that flash by in commnad prompt which I can't figure out, until Solaris finally shuts down... There are ways to tell Solaris to shut down right away, you just don't know how to tell him that yet. If you wish to use Solaris effectively, you will have to do some reading. For a thing so powerful, complexity is inherent; and while some things can be simplified, some level of understanding will be required. Solaris thinks that my computer is a huge network, so offers me plenty of functalities that I am not going to need nor understand. Do you even care to understand? Solairs is elaborate, very elaborate and robust, but my computer stands alone. What do I need to tell Solaris to offer me just what I need and no more ? Just like you would need to learn another language to communicate with someone that doesn't speak the same language as you do, you will need to learn to communicate with Solaris and tell him what it is that you want. Likewise, you will need to teach Solaris to understand your language. The good news is, Solaris is more than capable of learning. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] File Events Notification API - PSARC/2007/027
Hello opensolaris-discuss, Can anyone shed some light on it? Maybe PSARC materials can be made publicly available? -- Best regards, Robert mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://milek.blogspot.com ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] An open reply to the Open letter to the Solaris Community
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: not play. Hey, I can't download the yahoo messenger. My MP3 player and my PDA does not synchronize. Solaris is useless. Why do you need to download yahoo messenger? Pidgin/Instant Messenger supports those protocols out of the box. Pidgin does not support voice chat - not yet. :) Manoj ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris thinks that my standalone desktop is a huge network....
UNIX admin writes: UNIX is not a single user system like Windows. The computing model is different. That is what it was designed for. As MacOS has shown, it's entirely possible to make a fundamentally multi-user system behave quite reasonably as a single-user desktop. I think the request to make OpenSolaris-based distributions more usable in that context is quite reasonable and a desirable thing. Do you even care to understand? I don't think it's helpful at all to chase away people who want to use an OpenSolaris-based distribution in an unexpected or novel way. We actually do _want_ new users. -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris thinks that my standalone desktop is a huge network....
Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote: Why does Solaris wait for the root user to log in to shut down my computer ? I can log out as Shiva, but I don't see the controls to shut down. Which distribution have you installed? Recent Solaris Express distributions offer shutdown as an option form the JDS start menu. Failing that, just hit the power off button and you will be asked if you wish to shutdown. Ian ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Drivers for ATI X1900
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 02:01 -0600, Jon Trulson wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2007, Alan Coopersmith wrote: ken mays wrote: http://ati.amd.com/products/catalyst/linux.html#2 We also actively assist developers in the Open Source community with their work, so if you absolutely require an open source driver for your graphics card, we can recommend using drivers from the DRI project, Utah-GLX project, or others. Nice marketing spin, but ATI hasn't been actively assisting the open source community for quite a while. They haven't exactly been supporting closed-source developers either... I've always wondered what the performance of Intel GPU's would be like if they were plonked on a board with dedicated high speed memory like a traditional video card. I don't know how big a diff that would make... The i9XX chipsets are *much* faster than the 8XX chips, and with today's modern busses/memory, it's just that much better. Still the fillrate (for 3D rendering for example) doesn't quite reach r200 performance (on i915 at least). I am sure dedicated memory would help, but I do not think it would help 'that much'. I've heard various rumors about intel making an AIB (not from intel of course :)... No idea if there is any truth to it. -- Jon Trulson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] #include std/disclaimer.h No Kill I -Horta ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris thinks that my standalone desktop is a huge network....
If you wish to use Solaris effectively, you will have to do some reading. For a thing so powerful, complexity is inherent; and while some things can be simplified, some level of understanding will be required. Agreed. It is IMNSHO truly amazing that something (Solaris) so powerful and so historical is also providing some of the best (GUI) tools to make it very user-friendly. Newer versions of OpenSolaris now have graphic tools to allow a non-root user to log-out or shut-down. This is a non-issue. If someone wants to use OpenSolaris as a stand-alone machine as the original poster stated, s/he can always graphically change the privilege(s) of a particular user. Solaris developers have come out with one of the most advanced tools that I have ever seen. To quickly power off a stand-alone Solaris desktop machine, one can always graphically create a launcher on the desktop to run the following command: /usr/sbin/poweroff This will turn off your /stand-alone/ machine quicker than anything you have ever seen. But, again, for such a powerful operating system, requiring some reading is not asking too much. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] File Events Notification API - PSARC/2007/027
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 19:42 +0100, Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello opensolaris-discuss, Can anyone shed some light on it? Maybe PSARC materials can be made publicly available? The way I interpete it, it is something like FAM which allows things like nautilus to know when something has been change in the file system so that it automatically is shown in the file manager window. Matthew ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] An open reply to the Open letter to the Solaris Community
On Sat, 2007-08-04 at 00:55 +0530, Manoj Joseph wrote: Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: not play. Hey, I can't download the yahoo messenger. My MP3 player and my PDA does not synchronize. Solaris is useless. Why do you need to download yahoo messenger? Pidgin/Instant Messenger supports those protocols out of the box. Pidgin does not support voice chat - not yet. :) Hmm, I have to admit, given how cheap phone calls are in NZ, I can't be even bothered trying to get Voip. Have you tried getting them to use Ekiga instead? Matthew ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris thinks that my standalone desktop is a huge network....
I think you should look at whether your 'admin' is competent, you say you are using Solaris as a desktop and that you have to call support to log in as root and have them shut it down...why don't you ask them to assign the permission to do so to your user? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] An open reply to the Open letter to the Solaris Community
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: On Sat, 2007-08-04 at 00:55 +0530, Manoj Joseph wrote: Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: not play. Hey, I can't download the yahoo messenger. My MP3 player and my PDA does not synchronize. Solaris is useless. Why do you need to download yahoo messenger? Pidgin/Instant Messenger supports those protocols out of the box. Pidgin does not support voice chat - not yet. :) Hmm, I have to admit, given how cheap phone calls are in NZ, I can't be even bothered trying to get Voip. Have you tried getting them to use Ekiga instead? And try to persuade my friends who are on gtalk to switch too? No. :) Manoj ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
