Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express - Solaris 11 / iBus problems
On 12/ 8/11 04:45 AM, Rob McMahon wrote: I know this isn't really OpenSolaris related, but I don't know of a better list. I've just done the pkg image-update to take me from express 151.0.1.12. I tried a couple of weeks ago, and was left with an unusable boot environment. I was left without a graphical screen at a login prompt. My old account was rejected Login incorrect, and root said empty password not allowed. I didn't have time then to investigate, so I just booted back into the old environment for a while. I've just tried again, with the same result. Along the way were several messages about services auto-snaphot:* in conflict and in maintenance, and hostname not found: ntp.whatever. No graphics, and no login as above. I think like all the rest of us inconsequential supported customers, you'll have to wait until the support repository is fixed before upgrading. See CR 7112937 and this MOS document: | Application of Solaris 11 Express SRUs May Erroneously Cause Packages | to be Removed From the System [ID 1378614.1] From what I've heard, the hack provided works, but not cleanly. So I'm waiting rather than suffer the embarrassment of explaining away another maintenance window -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express
I don't know if gmane archives it but comp.unix.solaris is still somewhat active. However, most discussion exclusive to Solaris 11 may be found on the sysadmin and dev fora here; http://forums.oracle.com/forums/category.jspa?categoryID=303 -Gary ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express
Gary gdri...@gmail.com writes: I don't know if gmane archives it but comp.unix.solaris is still somewhat active. However, most discussion exclusive to Solaris 11 may be found on the sysadmin and dev fora here; http://forums.oracle.com/forums/category.jspa?categoryID=303 Thanks for the link. I just posted a question there about whether that forum is available by way of NNTP. Do you know if that forum is available by NNTP? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011, Harry Putnam wrote: Do you know if that forum is available by NNTP? I don't think any of the Oracle fora have NNTP gateways. If they're using Jive Software's forum software there as well then I know it's capable but I don't think Oracle has ever hosted a public NNTP server. -Gary ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express Documentation Bundle
We're not dead yet. :-) We're looking into this problem and hope to republish this collection soon to solve these issues. Thanks for reporting this problem. Cindy On 02/11/11 02:50, Chavdar Ivanov wrote: Hi, I see the documentation forum is all but dead; as we have no current Oracle support contract to refer to I decided to post this here hoping that someone will notice it... The documentation bundle for Solaris 11 Express, available from http://download.oracle.com/docs/cds/E19963-01.zip , appears to be broken when extracted locally - the html files refer to images and js code which does not exist. The PDFs are fine, though! There is no such issue with the current Solaris 10 bundle from http://download.oracle.com/docs/cds/E19253-01.tar.gz (apart from it being over 2GB!). Chavdar Ivanov ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express Documentation Bundle
Chavdar, apologies for this inconvenience. We are aware of the problem with the zip contents and are working to fix it. Thanks. -alan Subject: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express Documentation Bundle Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 01:50:57 PST From: Chavdar Ivanov ci4...@gmail.com To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Hi, I see the documentation forum is all but dead; as we have no current Oracle support contract to refer to I decided to post this here hoping that someone will notice it... The documentation bundle for Solaris 11 Express, available from http://download.oracle.com/docs/cds/E19963-01.zip , appears to be broken when extracted locally - the html files refer to images and js code which does not exist. The PDFs are fine, though! There is no such issue with the current Solaris 10 bundle from http://download.oracle.com/docs/cds/E19253-01.tar.gz (apart from it being over 2GB!). Chavdar Ivanov ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
The Oracle distros are worthless to me if there's no security patches available. I'm trying openIndiana now.. thanks for the advice Alex! so far only one issue .. the system lost display when the machine was unattended for some time.. seme to remember that happening with early version of Solaris 9.. when I get itme I'll play with it.. My .02: I hope the source lives on independent of Oracle.. a shame they ruined Solaris for the non corporate crowd. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
On 02/ 7/11 02:11 PM, Mike Suchodolski wrote: The Oracle distros are worthless to me if there's no security patches available. I'm trying openIndiana now.. thanks for the advice Alex! Does OpenIndiana provides also security patches? I will be amazed if it does :) -Ghee so far only one issue .. the system lost display when the machine was unattended for some time.. seme to remember that happening with early version of Solaris 9.. when I get itme I'll play with it.. My .02: I hope the source lives on independent of Oracle.. a shame they ruined Solaris for the non corporate crowd. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
Mike Suchodolski msuchodol...@msn.com wrote: The Oracle distros are worthless to me if there's no security patches available. I'm trying openIndiana now.. thanks for the advice Alex! so far only one issue .. the system lost display when the machine was unattended for some time.. seme to remember that happening with early version of Solaris 9.. when I get itme I'll play with it.. My .02: I hope the source lives on independent of Oracle.. a shame they ruined Solaris for the non corporate crowd. FYI: I tried to become a member if a so called OSS security mailing list which on the other side mainly Linux oriented. I have been denied to become a member. It seems that there is a need for OpenSolaris distros to create an own security alert and information system. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
On 02/ 7/11 06:11 AM, Mike Suchodolski wrote: The Oracle distros are worthless to me if there's no security patches available. There are security patches available - just like for OpenSolaris 2008.05, 2008.11, and 2009.06, you can get security patches for 2010.11 by buying a support contract. The ways things have changed since those older releases: - Oracle does not give away licenses to run 2010.11 on a production system without a support contract, as Sun did for OpenSolaris releases. - Oracle does not offer development builds for testing helping find issues or develop the code, as Sun did for OpenSolaris releases. Some people may have used the combination of those last two points as a way to get free security fixes, but they were always mixed in with the latest development features and you had no way to stay on a stable build and get security fixes without paying. -- -Alan Coopersmith-alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
* Ghee Teo ghee@oracle.com [2011-02-07 15:53]: On 02/ 7/11 02:11 PM, Mike Suchodolski wrote: The Oracle distros are worthless to me if there's no security patches available. I'm trying openIndiana now.. thanks for the advice Alex! Does OpenIndiana provides also security patches? I will be amazed if it does :) Not yet, a release based on oi_148 is planned for Q1 2011, however only a subset of server-related packages will be supported and recieve security fixes until there is a sufficiently stable build based on Illumos. Later we are planning to provide fully supported stable releases based on Illumos, this has been our goal from the beginning. -- Guido Berhoerster ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
Solaris 11 Express is free for personal use. You only need to pay for it when you're using it in production. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Octave J. Orgeron Solaris Virtualization Architect and Consultant Web: http://unixconsole.blogspot.com E-Mail: unixcons...@yahoo.com *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* - Original Message From: Mike Suchodolski msuchodol...@msn.com To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 10:41:51 PM Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out I just found my way to this post.. I've been scratching my head as to why update manager has been failing to find any updates and I downloaded the latest Oracle Solaris to see if that would fix things.. only to find I can't even register my solaris machine anymore.. :-( I'm a manager now.. been a developer, dba, and system admin.. Solaris has been with me on and off for 30 years.. I've kept it at home so I could keep my unix skills up.. Paying $1000 a year doesn't make any sense to me for home use.. would it really kill them to just push security patches? It's truly sad what Oracle has done to Solaris.. I guess I'll look to Linux.. I hear Ubuntu is pretty good.. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
Solaris 11 Express is free for personal and testing purposes but it lacks of drivers support,however. I tried to deploy it on Dell PowerEdge R510, but it doesn't recognize RAID controllerPERC 6i, unfortunately. Tried to search over the Internet for them, but nothing useful. Uros Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:59:12 -0800 From: unixcons...@yahoo.com To: msuchodol...@msn.com; opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out Solaris 11 Express is free for personal use. You only need to pay for it when you're using it in production. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Octave J. Orgeron Solaris Virtualization Architect and Consultant Web: http://unixconsole.blogspot.com E-Mail: unixcons...@yahoo.com *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* - Original Message From: Mike Suchodolski msuchodol...@msn.com To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 10:41:51 PM Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out I just found my way to this post.. I've been scratching my head as to why update manager has been failing to find any updates and I downloaded the latest Oracle Solaris to see if that would fix things.. only to find I can't even register my solaris machine anymore.. :-( I'm a manager now.. been a developer, dba, and system admin.. Solaris has been with me on and off for 30 years.. I've kept it at home so I could keep my unix skills up.. Paying $1000 a year doesn't make any sense to me for home use.. would it really kill them to just push security patches? It's truly sad what Oracle has done to Solaris.. I guess I'll look to Linux.. I hear Ubuntu is pretty good.. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
PERC 6/i is a rebranded MegaRAID, if it helps. I'm not sure the status of MegaRAID drivers on OSol. 2011/2/6 Uros Nedic ur...@live.com: Solaris 11 Express is free for personal and testing purposes but it lacks of drivers support, however. I tried to deploy it on Dell PowerEdge R510, but it doesn't recognize RAID controller PERC 6i, unfortunately. Tried to search over the Internet for them, but nothing useful. Uros Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:59:12 -0800 From: unixcons...@yahoo.com To: msuchodol...@msn.com; opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out Solaris 11 Express is free for personal use. You only need to pay for it when you're using it in production. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Octave J. Orgeron Solaris Virtualization Architect and Consultant Web: http://unixconsole.blogspot.com E-Mail: unixcons...@yahoo.com *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* - Original Message From: Mike Suchodolski msuchodol...@msn.com To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 10:41:51 PM Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out I just found my way to this post.. I've been scratching my head as to why update manager has been failing to find any updates and I downloaded the latest Oracle Solaris to see if that would fix things.. only to find I can't even register my solaris machine anymore.. :-( I'm a manager now.. been a developer, dba, and system admin.. Solaris has been with me on and off for 30 years.. I've kept it at home so I could keep my unix skills up.. Paying $1000 a year doesn't make any sense to me for home use.. would it really kill them to just push security patches? It's truly sad what Oracle has done to Solaris.. I guess I'll look to Linux.. I hear Ubuntu is pretty good.. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Sterling, Virginia USA ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
Honestly, with ZFS there's no point in using a RAID controller. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Octave J. Orgeron Solaris Virtualization Architect and Consultant Web: http://unixconsole.blogspot.com E-Mail: unixcons...@yahoo.com *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From: Uros Nedic ur...@live.com To: unixcons...@yahoo.com; msuchodol...@msn.com; OpenSolarisDiscuss opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Sun, February 6, 2011 12:52:49 PM Subject: RE: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out Solaris 11 Express is free for personal and testing purposes but it lacks of drivers support, however. I tried to deploy it on Dell PowerEdge R510, but it doesn't recognize RAID controller PERC 6i, unfortunately. Tried to search over the Internet for them, but nothing useful. Uros Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:59:12 -0800 From: unixcons...@yahoo.com To: msuchodol...@msn.com; opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out Solaris 11 Express is free for personal use. You only need to pay for it when you're using it in production. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Octave J. Orgeron Solaris Virtualization Architect and Consultant Web: http://unixconsole.blogspot.com E-Mail: unixcons...@yahoo.com *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* - Original Message From: Mike Suchodolski msuchodol...@msn.com To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 10:41:51 PM Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out I just found my way to this post.. I've been scratching my head as to why update manager has been failing to find any updates and I downloaded the latest Oracle Solaris to see if that would fix things.. only to find I can't even register my solaris machine anymore.. :-( I'm a manager now.. been a developer, dba, and system admin.. Solaris has been with me on and off for 30 years.. I've kept it at home so I could keep my unix skills up.. Paying $1000 a year doesn't make any sense to me for home use.. would it really kill them to just push security patches? It's truly sad what Oracle has done to Solaris.. I guess I'll look to Linux.. I hear Ubuntu is pretty good.. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
RAID controllers don't have to be set up in RAID arrays, they can run in JBOD mode, but still you have to see the storage controller... :/ On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 14:15, Octave Orgeron unixcons...@yahoo.com wrote: Honestly, with ZFS there's no point in using a RAID controller. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Octave J. Orgeron Solaris Virtualization Architect and Consultant Web: http://unixconsole.blogspot.com E-Mail: unixcons...@yahoo.com *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From: Uros Nedic ur...@live.com To: unixcons...@yahoo.com; msuchodol...@msn.com; OpenSolarisDiscuss opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Sun, February 6, 2011 12:52:49 PM Subject: RE: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out Solaris 11 Express is free for personal and testing purposes but it lacks of drivers support, however. I tried to deploy it on Dell PowerEdge R510, but it doesn't recognize RAID controller PERC 6i, unfortunately. Tried to search over the Internet for them, but nothing useful. Uros Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:59:12 -0800 From: unixcons...@yahoo.com To: msuchodol...@msn.com; opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out Solaris 11 Express is free for personal use. You only need to pay for it when you're using it in production. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Octave J. Orgeron Solaris Virtualization Architect and Consultant Web: http://unixconsole.blogspot.com E-Mail: unixcons...@yahoo.com *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* - Original Message From: Mike Suchodolski msuchodol...@msn.com To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 10:41:51 PM Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out I just found my way to this post.. I've been scratching my head as to why update manager has been failing to find any updates and I downloaded the latest Oracle Solaris to see if that would fix things.. only to find I can't even register my solaris machine anymore.. :-( I'm a manager now.. been a developer, dba, and system admin.. Solaris has been with me on and off for 30 years.. I've kept it at home so I could keep my unix skills up.. Paying $1000 a year doesn't make any sense to me for home use.. would it really kill them to just push security patches? It's truly sad what Oracle has done to Solaris.. I guess I'll look to Linux.. I hear Ubuntu is pretty good.. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Sterling, Virginia USA ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
I just found my way to this post.. I've been scratching my head as to why update manager has been failing to find any updates and I downloaded the latest Oracle Solaris to see if that would fix things.. only to find I can't even register my solaris machine anymore.. :-( I'm a manager now.. been a developer, dba, and system admin.. Solaris has been with me on and off for 30 years.. I've kept it at home so I could keep my unix skills up.. Paying $1000 a year doesn't make any sense to me for home use.. would it really kill them to just push security patches? It's truly sad what Oracle has done to Solaris.. I guess I'll look to Linux.. I hear Ubuntu is pretty good.. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
You may want to look into Illumos and OpenIndiana. They are continuances of the OpenSolaris project and are actively maintained. http://www.illumos.org/ http://www.openindiana.org/ On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 23:41, Mike Suchodolski msuchodol...@msn.com wrote: I just found my way to this post.. I've been scratching my head as to why update manager has been failing to find any updates and I downloaded the latest Oracle Solaris to see if that would fix things.. only to find I can't even register my solaris machine anymore.. :-( I'm a manager now.. been a developer, dba, and system admin.. Solaris has been with me on and off for 30 years.. I've kept it at home so I could keep my unix skills up.. Paying $1000 a year doesn't make any sense to me for home use.. would it really kill them to just push security patches? It's truly sad what Oracle has done to Solaris.. I guess I'll look to Linux.. I hear Ubuntu is pretty good.. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Sterling, Virginia USA ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express: xterm very slow
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010, Claus Assmann wrote: Oh well, maybe I put an nVidia graphics card into the box again and see how that works (it caused some problems with X and the selection It actually works ok. However, it would be nice to have the builtin graphics working properly too -- AFAICT the performance of the ATI 4250 (the drivers says it's ATI Radeon HD 4290 but the docs say it should be an HD 4250) should be better than that of an nVidia NV44 [GeForce 7100 GS]. After all, I'm only using text based applications (software development, about 3-4 xterms each on 4 virtual pages). Should I ask this on an xorg mailing list? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express: xterm very slow
On 12/23/10 10:37 AM, Claus Assmann wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010, Claus Assmann wrote: Oh well, maybe I put an nVidia graphics card into the box again and see how that works (it caused some problems with X and the selection It actually works ok. However, it would be nice to have the builtin graphics working properly too -- AFAICT the performance of the ATI 4250 (the drivers says it's ATI Radeon HD 4290 but the docs say it should be an HD 4250) should be better than that of an nVidia NV44 [GeForce 7100 GS]. Well you are comparing an accelerated driver with one that isn't. GPU vendors are notoriously secretive about their parts, making it nigh on impossible to write a good open accelerated driver. After all, I'm only using text based applications (software development, about 3-4 xterms each on 4 virtual pages). It shouldn't be that bad... -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express: xterm very slow
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010, Claus Assmann wrote: 0.0001 stat64(/usr/lib/X11/locale/common/ximlocal.so.2, 0x08045C70) Err#2 ENOENT 0.0001 fstat64(2, 0x08045E70) = 0 Failed to open input method 0. write(2, F a i l e d t o o p.., 28) = 28 nanosleep(0x08046E00, 0x08046E08) (sleeping...) 3.0001 nanosleep(0x08046E00, 0x08046E08) = 0 xterm*openIm: false suppresses this. But... this isn't the real problem, because the system is still slow, e.g., switching virtual desktops (fvwm2) causes a visible redraw of the contents of each xterm. Oh well, maybe I put an nVidia graphics card into the box again and see how that works (it caused some problems with X and the selection of a graphics card before). Thanks for the feedback! (more still welcome how to make the system faster without extra HW). ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express: xterm very slow
On 12/15/10 09:38 AM, Claus Assmann wrote: Oh well, maybe I put an nVidia graphics card into the box again and see how that works (it caused some problems with X and the selection of a graphics card before). Details? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express: xterm very slow
On 12/15/10 03:22 PM, Claus Assmann wrote: [Is it ok to ask questions about Solaris 11 Express here?] I bought a new machine (with AMD 880G graphics chip) and while it seems to run Solaris 11 Express (snv_151a) fine, it is very slow under X. I ran some x11perf test which show good numbers, but the thing that demonstrates the problem best is time xterm -e /bin/sh -c exit On an older machine this takes about 0.05s. On the new machine it takes 3s. Any idea what could cause this and how to resolve it? It takes about .1 second on my desktop. Run it under truss and see where it stalls. -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express: xterm very slow
On 12/14/2010 06:22 PM, Claus Assmann wrote: I'd take a closer look at the following lines in your Xorg log. Is your configuration correct? Do you have the right drivers installed? Xorg log follows: (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/amd64/libglx.so dlopen: ld.so.1: Xorg: fatal: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/amd64/libglx.so: open failed: No such file or directory (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/amd64/libglx.so (II) UnloadModule: glx (EE) Failed to load module glx (loader failed, 7) (II) LoadModule: fbdev (WW) Warning, couldn't open module fbdev (II) UnloadModule: fbdev (EE) Failed to load module fbdev (module does not exist, 0) (II) RADEON(0): Framebuffer space used by Firmware (kb): 20 (II) RADEON(0): Start of VRAM area used by Firmware: 0xfffb000 (II) RADEON(0): AtomBIOS requests 20kB of VRAM scratch space (II) RADEON(0): AtomBIOS VRAM scratch base: 0xfffb000 (II) RADEON(0): Cannot get VRAM scratch space. Allocating in main memory instead drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device or address) drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device or address) drmOpenDevice: Open failed [drm] failed to load kernel module radeon (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed to open the DRM [dri] Disabling DRI. (==) RADEON(0): Backing store disabled (WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled (EE) RADEON(0): Acceleration initialization failed (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration disabled ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express: xterm very slow
Loren Davis wrote: On 12/14/2010 06:22 PM, Claus Assmann wrote: I'd take a closer look at the following lines in your Xorg log. Is your configuration correct? Do you have the right drivers installed? Xorg log follows: (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/amd64/libglx.so dlopen: ld.so.1: Xorg: fatal: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/amd64/libglx.so: open failed: No such file or directory (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/amd64/libglx.so (II) UnloadModule: glx (EE) Failed to load module glx (loader failed, 7) xterm doesn't use glx - you shouldn't get messages like that, but GLX acceleration isn't available for ATI graphics right now so it won't buy you much. (II) LoadModule: fbdev (WW) Warning, couldn't open module fbdev (II) UnloadModule: fbdev (EE) Failed to load module fbdev (module does not exist, 0) This message could be simply replaced by Hey! You're not running Linux! - the fbdev module only works there, so we don't ship it, but have never taken the time to silence the harmless message. drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device or address) drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device or address) drmOpenDevice: Open failed [drm] failed to load kernel module radeon (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed to open the DRM [dri] Disabling DRI. (==) RADEON(0): Backing store disabled (WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled (EE) RADEON(0): Acceleration initialization failed (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration disabled DRI, and thus much hardware acceleration, is simply not available for ATI graphics on OpenSolaris or Solaris at this time. If you want hardware accelerated graphics, use Nvidia or Intel graphics instead, as those vendors have put in a lot of effort to provide accelerated graphics drivers for Solaris for their products. -- -Alan Coopersmith-alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express: xterm very slow
On 12/14/2010 07:19 PM, Alan Coopersmith wrote: xterm doesn't use glx - you shouldn't get messages like that, but GLX acceleration isn't available for ATI graphics right now so it won't buy you much. Thanks for the information. This message could be simply replaced by Hey! You're not running Linux! - the fbdev module only works there, so we don't ship it, but have never taken the time to silence the harmless message. Yeah, I was wondering about that. Figured I might as well include it. DRI, and thus much hardware acceleration, is simply not available for ATI graphics on OpenSolaris or Solaris at this time. If you want hardware accelerated graphics, use Nvidia or Intel graphics instead, as those vendors have put in a lot of effort to provide accelerated graphics drivers for Solaris for their products. I wasn't aware of that. I wonder, did Claus Assmann's old box support accelerated graphics? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express: xterm very slow
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010, Loren Davis wrote: I'd take a closer look at the following lines in your Xorg log. Is your configuration correct? Do you have the right drivers installed? It's a basic installation and I have not (yet) created an xorg.conf file, i.e., X uses the builtin configuration: (==) Using default built-in configuration (30 lines) using truss (thanks for the hint, I should have thought of that...) I see: 0.0001 stat64(/usr/lib/X11/locale/common/ximlocal.so.2, 0x08045C70) Err#2 ENOENT 0. stat64(/usr/lib/X11/locale/common/ximcp.so.2, 0x08045C70) = 0 0.0001 resolvepath(/usr/lib/X11/locale/common/ximcp.so.2, /usr/lib/X11/locale/common/ximcp.so.2, 1023) = 37 0. open(/usr/lib/X11/locale/common/ximcp.so.2, O_RDONLY) = 6 0.0001 mmapobj(6, MMOBJ_INTERPRET, 0xFEA60808, 0x08045CDC, 0x) = 0 0. close(6)= 0 0. memcntl(0xFEA0, 24264, MC_ADVISE, MADV_WILLNEED, 0, 0) = 0 0.0002 write(4, 0118\r\011\0 `02\r\0 `02.., 72) = 72 0.0001 read(4, 1C\0 =\0\r\0 `020701\0\0.., 32) = 32 0. read(4, 01\0 ?\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0.., 32) = 32 0.0001 munmap(0xFEA0, 126342) = 0 0. munmap(0xFEA2F000, 4476)= 0 0.0001 fstat64(2, 0x08045E70) = 0 Failed to open input method 0. write(2, F a i l e d t o o p.., 28) = 28 nanosleep(0x08046E00, 0x08046E08) (sleeping...) 3.0001 nanosleep(0x08046E00, 0x08046E08) = 0 ^ There's my 3s delay. I tried some different settings for LANG, LC_ALL, LC_CTYPE, but so far I wasn't able to get rid of that message. /usr/lib/X11/locale/common/ has: ximcp.so@ xlcGB18030.so@ xlibi18n.so@ xomGeneric.so@ ximcp.so.2*xlcGB18030.so.2* xlibi18n.so.2* xomGeneric.so.2* xlcDef.so@ xlcUTF8Load.so@xlocale.so@ xlcDef.so.2* xlcUTF8Load.so.2* xlocale.so.2* I'm wondering whether there's some package that I need to install (or whether I'm looking in the wrong place and it's about something else). And maybe this isn't the real problem, because the system is even slow after all xterms started and I'm switching virtual desktops (using fvwm2). ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express and xvm
Upgraded to solaris 11 express. No problem at all during upgrade (postgresql service destroyed though, but that was expected ;-)) keyboard english after upgrad, had to modify keymap:default service def compiz doesn't start automatically (?) but works if selected from gui Xend doesn't start after upgrade (relocation error) workaround works as described here : http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=505908tstart=0 here is what I did : # cd /usr/lib/python2.4/vendor-packages/xen/lowlevel/64/ # ldd scf.so # elfedit scf.so scf.so.new dyn:value DT_NEEDED index tag value [0] NEEDED 0x4f81 libpthread.so.1 [1] NEEDED 0x4fac libxml2.so.2 [2] NEEDED 0x4fc2 libgcc_s.so.1 dyn:value -add -s DT_NEEDED libscf.so index tag value [35] NEEDED 0x500d libscf.so dyn:value DT_NEEDED index tag value [0] NEEDED 0x4f81 libpthread.so.1 [1] NEEDED 0x4fac libxml2.so.2 [2] NEEDED 0x4fc2 libgcc_s.so.1 [35] NEEDED 0x500d libscf.so :write :quit # cp scf.so scf.so-orig # mv scf.so.new scf.so # cd /usr/lib/python2.4/vendor-packages/64/ # elfedit fsimage.so fsimage.so-new dyn:value -add -s DT_NEEDED libgen.so :write :quit # cp fsimage.so fsimage.so-orig # mv fsimage.so-new fsimage.so ... back in business (hope it will work OK) Bruno ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express and xvm
Pardon me for asking what might be obvious to others but is not to me; why are folks upgrading production systems to Solaris Express regardless of version? If you plan to use Xvm until Solaris 11 ships with or without a replacement for it, why are you upgrading these systems in the first place? I would highly recommend following the release notes of the current and forthcoming express releases to get an idea of what we might expect to be dropped from the Solaris 11 mainline release. In the mean time, several sources suggest staying with Solaris 10 if you run production systems that require these features. I understand that express releases are supported but asking the OpenSolaris community would not be the first place I would ask such questions as express releases are no longer OpenSolaris builds despite their lineage. q.v. http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/2581.1?l=en and http://communities.oracle.com/portal/server.pt/community/oracle_solaris_installation%2C_booting_and_patching -Gary ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express and xvm
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 06:18:13PM -0800, Muhammed Syyid wrote: Is there any specifics somewhere about what the known issues are? I'm currently on OSOL 126 (have been holding back primarily because of xvm) On a tangential note, what does OpenIndiana use for VM (I read that it doesn't support xvm but does it support kvm instead or something else?) KVM is a Linux kernel module, it's not available for *Solaris. -- Pasi ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express, OpenOffice.org, VirtualBox
W. Wayne Liauh w...@hawaiilinux.org wrote: # For LibreOffice I don't see any builds for Solaris. So, when we #wouldn't care about our platform, what is then the foundation #doing? ;-) I think your philosophy is fundamentally flawed. No one is expecting the TDF to port LibreOffice to Solaris. OpenOffice is influenced by a company (Oracle) and LibreOffice is influenced by another company (RedHat). I do not expect such a port such a port to happen as long as LibreOffice is not a really free project. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express, OpenOffice.org, VirtualBox
W. Wayne Liauh w...@hawaiilinux.org wrote: # For LibreOffice I don't see any builds for Solaris. So, when we #wouldn't care about our platform, what is then the foundation #doing? ;-) I think your philosophy is fundamentally flawed. No one is expecting the TDF to port LibreOffice to Solaris. OpenOffice is influenced by a company (Oracle) and LibreOffice is influenced by another company (RedHat). I do not expect such a port such a port to happen as long as LibreOffice is not a really free project. Jörg Yes, OpenOffice.org is controlled by Oracle and LibreOffice is influenced by RedHat--probably to the same extent as RedHat is influencing GNOME--but that's not the point. This thread started because I was unable to install OOo 3.3 RC5 in the just-released S11e. The installation tarball came with a setup script (for installation) which works in Ubuntu and S10u9 but not in S11e. I had so much expectation for S11e and this seemingly minor incident really brought back all the grudges, frustrations, and resentments that I had, as a staunchy OpenSolaris advocate, against Sun's OpenOffice/StarOffice team. Several years ago, during an ABA national convention that was held in Honolulu, I wined and dined a number of IP attorneys from China and we reached an understanding to jointly set up an OpenOffice-in-OpenSolaris workshop at the Chinese University of Political Science and Law (中国法政大学) in Beijing. However, I ran into a big problem in that the OpenSolaris version of OpenOffice showed garbled Chinese characters (no such problem in Windows, Linux or Solaris proper). To cut the story short, this project had to die a stillbirth because Sun's big shots in Beijing never gave this problem a d*mn, Sun's rank and file were afraid to touch the turf that belonged to Sun's StarOffice team, and that I was unable to find anyone that can help me compile OpenOffice in OpenSolaris. Of course the jury is still out regarding LibreOffice. However, when Ubuntu announced that it will go with LibreOffice, I think the battle is, practically speaking, over. Actually, I think it will be easier to find outside helpers to improve the Solaris port of LibreOffice than OpenOffice. With the latter, we almost have to live on the mercy of Oracle's StarOffice team, and I am sick and tired of always being treated as a bunch of inconvenient secondary citizens. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express, OpenOffice.org, VirtualBox
On 11/23/10 05:08 PM, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: This thread started because I was unable to install OOo 3.3 RC5 in the just-released S11e. The installation tarball came with a setup script (for installation) which works in Ubuntu and S10u9 but not in S11e. I had so much expectation for S11e and this seemingly minor incident really brought back all the grudges, frustrations, and resentments that I had, as a staunchy OpenSolaris advocate, against Sun's OpenOffice/StarOffice team. Just a shot in the dark. Do you have Openoffice 3.1 installed (from Opensolaris IPS)? If yes, that may be your problem. The release candidates install in the same location, /opt/openoffice.org /opt/openoffice.org3. Remove the old 3.1 installation first. Also, I have installed successfully the development releases along side the released and release candidate install because it goes int /opt/ooo-dev /opt/ooo-dev3. Paul ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express, OpenOffice.org, VirtualBox
# For LibreOffice I don't see any builds for Solaris. So, when we #wouldn't care about our platform, what is then the foundation #doing? ;-) I think your philosophy is fundamentally flawed. No one is expecting the TDF to port LibreOffice to Solaris. If Oracle is not stubborn/stupid enough and knows how to cut loss (re OpenOffice.org and vis-a-vis the old Sun), and is willing to look into the future and fully embrace LibreOffice, then ( probably only then) we will see a LibreOffice port for Solaris. The so-called OpenSolaris community has been spoiled by Sun, and the fact will be, if Oracle does not do the Solaris port (for LibreOffice), no one else will. I will give it a try, but I doubt I will have much success. When I become comfortable with LibreOffice, which will be available in every major OS except Solaris, then even I will be completely moving away from Solaris. Either way, I am seeing this a new dawn, a new opportunity--finally we have a chance to reboot perhaps the most important project in the open source world. The following comment was cc'd from the GullFoss Forum, in case my posting was rejected: I am unable to install OOo 3.3RC5 in the just-released Oracle Solaris 11 Express. I have no problem installing it in Ubuntu. And I was able to install one of the previous RC's in Solaris 10u9 (with some tweaks, but they didn't work with Solaris 11 Express). Could someone please look into this matter? I know, from my past experience, that the OpenOffice team doesn't really care about the Solaris port, but it is terribly embarrassing that Solaris 11 is the only mainstream OS that has conflict with OpenOffice. I also want to add that, as a contrast, the VirtualBox developers must have worked diligently with their Solaris colleagues in that the most recent version of VB 3.2.10 guest addition is now almost seamlessly built into the Solaris Express LiveCD. Perhaps Chairman Larry should seriously considering giving up on OpenOffice.org and fully embracing LibreOffice. No use piling more chips when you got a bad hand. cc to OpenSolaris Discuss Forum -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express and xvm
Is there any specifics somewhere about what the known issues are? I'm currently on OSOL 126 (have been holding back primarily because of xvm) On a tangential note, what does OpenIndiana use for VM (I read that it doesn't support xvm but does it support kvm instead or something else?) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express download
Thank you for your response. I really don't want to get into any copyright infringement stuff this is just a hobby/enthusiast type of thing for me. First of all I would think Oracle has enough factory installed hardware/software matched code to produce an extremely large product base. The live CD/rescue CD download will probably be available in a common net share at some point in time.My interest is in what the live CD + released repo offers locally to a machine installed second-hand,not getting into any epublic domu or even hacking an admin dom0. This install would be on hit or miss hardware not supported/guaranteed by Oracle. Any warning you might have would be respected -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express download
I think there is a help button where you can submit issues with your login and they can fix it. It happened to me when they started to transition things into Oracle. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Octave J. Orgeron Solaris Virtualization Architect and Consultant Web: http://unixconsole.blogspot.com E-Mail: unixcons...@yahoo.com *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* - Original Message From: john kroll jek0...@sbcglobal.net To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Sat, November 20, 2010 2:52:49 PM Subject: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express download I can still log into wikis.sun.com dashboard actions: https://identity.sun.com/amserver/UI/Login?org=self_registered_usersprogram=sdn For some reason oracle creating a new account always fails wanting another password. Tried different passwords and even my msn live email no luck. Is there an unregistered way to get solaris 11 express download? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express download
Thanks for your reply. I did actually chat with two people during the process the first was researching the problem but I ran short of time the second wanted me to try with IE but I was booted into openindiana.Creating new account did not work with windows/IE either. I think Sun Developer Network is going to die altogether in December I thought maybe it was a tie up with that. I'll try again later but no one : Genunix offers it mirrored or something ? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express download
john kroll wrote: but no one : Genunix offers it mirrored or something ? Unlike OpenSolaris, Solaris 11 Express is not offered under a license that allows free redistribution mirroring. -- -Alan Coopersmith-alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express, OpenOffice.org, VirtualBox
Hi Michael, Just noticed that you have changed your email address from Sun.com/Oracle.com to gmail.com, but we appreciate that you are still interested in OpenSolaris--whatever that meant. it means that as of Nov 12 I no longer *have* an Oracle email address (that I can access) - but not working for Oracle doesn't mean I lose all interest in the technology I've spent the better part of the last 12 years working on/with. cheers -- regards/mit freundlichen Grüssen Michael Schuster ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express and xvm
IMHO this is glorious news! I plan to immediately contact my account manager, retract the scathing words I had said, and find out the future and if the future is bright we will resume testing to augment (maybe someday replace) ESX. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express release cycle and beyond?
Is there any information on how the Express train will be going forward? like planned release cycle and whether it will be continued after official S11 launches? I still would like to stay with S11 express since I am not use it in any business or production. I didn't see release schedule from openinidiana.org either :( Hi, According to the memo: We will have a Solaris 11 binary distribution, called Solaris 11 Express, that will have a free developer RTU license, and an optional support plan. Solaris 11 Express will debut by the end of this calendar year, and we will issue updates to it, leading to the full release of Solaris 11 in 2011. end of memo It's not known once solaris 11 gets released, if future solaris 11 express will continue to be released. my guess is solaris 11, will be the sole OS for both devs and production use. And it seems the ON source code may be released after solaris 11 is out memo: We will distribute updates to approved CDDL or other open source- licensed code following full releases of our enterprise Solaris operating system. In this manner, new technology innovations will show up in our releases before anywhere else. http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-discuss/2010-August/059310.html -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express support repository
Hi, does anyone know if it is already possible to get access to the Solaris 11 Express support repository at https://pkg.oracle.com/solaris/support ? Where can I get the required certificate (given an Oracle Premier Support for Systems contract) to register it as a pkg publisher? For OpenSolaris you have to register and get the certificate at https://pkg.sun.com/register/. I tried https://pkg.oracle.com/register/ it did not work for me. I also couldn't find the answer in the Oracle Solaris 11 Express FAQ or the Introducing Oracle Solaris 11 Express – What’s New for System Administrators guide. Hi I think all Sun customers now may have to login to My Oracle Support: If this is not the method you may need to email support department. https://support.oracle.com/CSP/ui/flash.html https://supporthtml.oracle.com/ep/faces/index.jspx (non flash version) more about MOS http://www.oracle.com/support/premier/myoraclesupport.html Regards Edward -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express, OpenOffice.org, VirtualBox
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 18:33, W. Wayne Liauh w...@hawaiilinux.org wrote: The following comment was cc'd from the GullFoss Forum, in case my posting was rejected: I am unable to install OOo 3.3RC5 in the just-released Oracle Solaris 11 Express. it would really help to get some data here - unable to install is just a little unspecific. (no, don't send it my way - I'm just the messenger :-) -- regards/mit freundlichen Grüssen Michael Schuster ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express, OpenOffice.org, VirtualBox
Greetings, first sorry for my English. On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:33:36 +0100, W. Wayne Liauh w...@hawaiilinux.org wrote: I am unable to install OOo 3.3RC5 in the just-released Oracle Solaris 11 Express. What is Your installation procedure? My is follow: 1. I download(ed) from http://download.openoffice.org/all_rc.html follow item: http://download.services.openoffice.org/files/extended/3.3.0rc5/OOo_3.3.0rc5_20101115_Solaris_x86_install-wJRE_en-US.tar.gz 2. Extracted it. 3. As root from terminal in BASH! shell (earlier I goted some install problem from zsh with OOO RC-es under OSOL) I executed follow command: vo...@lbaltazar:~# /export/home/voron/NZ/OOO330_m15_native_packed-1_en-US.9546/setup 4. Tadam! Work for me! I successfully use setup instead of update even I upgrade from one RC to other. -- Üdvözlettel,http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/ Cemasko Viktor. http://www.opera.com/browser/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express, OpenOffice.org, VirtualBox
The following comment was cc'd from the GullFoss Forum, in case my posting was rejected: I am unable to install OOo 3.3RC5 in the just-released Oracle Solaris 11 Express. I have no problem installing it in Ubuntu. And I was able to install one of the previous RC's in Solaris 10u9 (with some tweaks, but they didn't work with Solaris 11 Express). Could someone please look into this matter? I know, from my past experience, that the OpenOffice team doesn't really care about the Solaris port, but it is terribly embarrassing that Solaris 11 is the only mainstream OS that has conflict with OpenOffice. I also want to add that, as a contrast, the VirtualBox developers must have worked diligently with their Solaris colleagues in that the most recent version of VB 3.2.10 guest addition is now almost seamlessly built into the Solaris Express LiveCD. Perhaps Chairman Larry should seriously considering giving up on OpenOffice.org and fully embracing LibreOffice. No use piling more chips when you got a bad hand. cc to OpenSolaris Discuss Forum Hi, this method may also work for you; First i switch into root user, after I unpack the package, i went into OOO330_m15_native_packed-1_en-US.9546/packages typed: pkadd -d. (with a dot at the end) said all to install said 'yes' to all of the questions, then it installed. Regards Edward -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express, OpenOffice.org, VirtualBox
Hi, this method may also work for you; First i switch into root user, after I unpack the package, i went into OOO330_m15_native_packed-1_en-US.9546/packages ped: pkadd -d. (with a dot at the end) said all to install said 'yes' to all of the questions, then it installed. Regards Edward Hi please disregard this method, openoffice did install but also broke my solaris 11 install, this method worked on previous opensolaris release but no longer. Regards Edward -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express, OpenOffice.org, VirtualBox
please disregard this method, openoffice did install but also broke my solaris 11 install, this method worked on previous opensolaris release but no longer. Regards Edward You are right, trying to install OpenOffice.org the hard way (i.e., directly using pkgadd) will hose your Solaris 11 Express installation. Don't even think about it. If anyone is interested in finding out how the installation failed, you can use the setup or update script. Make sure that you export the appropriate DISPLAY parameter, otherwise the (ultimately failed) installation won't even start. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express, OpenOffice.org, VirtualBox
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 18:33, W. Wayne Liauh w...@hawaiilinux.org wrote: The following comment was cc'd from the GullFoss Forum, in case my posting was rejected: I am unable to install OOo 3.3RC5 in the just-released Oracle Solaris 11 Express. it would really help to get some data here - unable to install is just a little unspecific. (no, don't send it my way - I'm just the messenger :-) -- regards/mit freundlichen Grüssen Michael Schuster ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Hi Michael, Just noticed that you have changed your email address from Sun.com/Oracle.com to gmail.com, but we appreciate that you are still interested in OpenSolaris--whatever that meant. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express and xvm
Yes, hence my surprise to find dom0 x64 support in Solaris 11 Express. Anyway, even w/ issues, that is the only solution for me to upgrade, and that is a good surprise. I use a couple of HVM (windows) guests on my home server (ow a windows 2008r2 test AD controller) installed on zvols and it has been very satisfactory with snv_134 so far. I can't see any other solution who would let me use full zfs power and still have my windows guests running on the same machine. ESXi wouldn't allow passthrough to a (open)solaris guest afaik. Any comments welcome. - Mail Original - De: david comay david.co...@oracle.com À: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Envoyé: Mercredi 17 Novembre 2010 07h41:21 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express and xvm Does that mean that xvm is supported to use solaris 11 express as Dom0 ? Yes, the xVM packages are still present in 2010.11 although there are known issues with them. And though the packages are there and I can't speak to the dom0 roadmap, I should point out the following approved ARC case from earlier this year PSARC/2010/250 EOF of Solaris xVM dom0 closed approved fast-track 07/07/2010 (from http://arc.opensolaris.org/caselog/PSARC/2010/) domU support is available in 2010.11, both in PV and in HVM mode. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express and xvm
Bruno, I run windows as a VirtualBox guest on a Solaris 11 Express server. VirtualBox is pretty flexible about what it can use for virtual disk drives, so you can even configure it to directly use a zvol or just create a new zfs file system to hold the disk images. There aren't Solaris specific examples of that in the VirtualBox documentation, but it's not too hard to figure out. Lastest stuff available at www.virtualbox.org Joe Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:50:58 +0100 (CET) From: Bruno Damour ll...@ruomad.net To: david comay david.co...@oracle.com Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express and xvm Yes, hence my surprise to find dom0 x64 support in Solaris 11 Express. I believe the engineering work to remove dom0 was just not completed in time for the release. Anyway, even w/ issues, that is the only solution for me to upgrade, and that is a good surprise. I use a couple of HVM (windows) guests on my home server (ow a windows 2008r2 test AD controller) installed on zvols and it has been very satisfactory with snv_134 so far. I can't see any other solution who would let me use full zfs power and still have my windows guests running on the same machine. ESXi wouldn't allow passthrough to a (open)solaris guest afaik. Any comments welcome. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
Thanks for the info. Unfortunately it seems I'm not able to use VirtualBox for testing the upgrade way, since b134b seems to be crashing there. i.e. I just see first boot message (Solaris Oracle copyright) then just something what looks like a stackdump (backtrace) and then immediate reboot... Is this already known bug? I'm using VBox 3.1.4 here on OS 2009.06 for this. Thanks, Karel -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
Just to clarify, what is my path forward from OS 2009.06? The release is for development, prototyping, etc. To quote the license: only for the purpose of developing, testing, prototyping and demonstrating your applications, and not for any other purpose. I'm doing none of those things. I'm an end-user if you will in what I want to continue using OpenSolaris for. I use it for purely personal purposes, mainly a ZFS NAS. Now, the FAQ implies that Solaris 11 Express may be used for other means: Oracle Solaris 11 Express is the latest release of the Oracle Solaris operating system. This release is the path forward for developers, end-users and partners using previous generations of OpenSolaris releases. Really? That seems to disregard the license. Does buying support then modify your license to include non-development or prototyping-related activities? So do I stick with Solaris 11, and more importantly, may I for personal use? Or do I plan on going to either a dedicated NAS distribution such as Nexenta or to OpenIndiana? The latter two both have free licenses which I know are compatible with my current use. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
Mike Brancato wrote: Really? That seems to disregard the license. Does buying support then modify your license to include non-development or prototyping-related activities? Yes. -- -Alan Coopersmith-alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express Repository - kinda bare
did you download the repository or connect through the web? I have tried both and have problems both ways. Part B of the repository will not mount up under any filesystem type. after lofiadm the iso /dev/lofi/1 mount fails with not a hsfs filesystem. Part A works fine. When attempting to access the repository over the web the path defined in b151 does not exist in the published repository. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express Repository - kinda bare
did you download the repository or connect through the web? I have tried both and have problems both ways. Part B of the repository will not mount up under any filesystem type. after lofiadm the iso /dev/lofi/1 mount fails with not a hsfs filesystem. Part A works fine. You concatenate the two parts and mount the resulting .iso file - just fine. When attempting to access the repository over the web the path defined in b151 does not exist in the published repository. ??? how do you know what is in either? They are just two parts of a larger .iso file, as far as I understand it. Chavdar Ivanov -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express Repository - kinda bare
did you download the repository or connect through the web? I have tried both and have problems both ways. Part B of the repository will not mount up under any filesystem type. after lofiadm the iso /dev/lofi/1 mount fails with not a hsfs filesystem. Part A works fine. You concatenate the two parts and mount the resulting .iso file - just fine. Build 150 repository was two parts that were not concats. Instructions for that repository were to rsync the different repos after mounting the individual iso's I would think that would not change. When attempting to access the repository over the web the path defined in b151 does not exist in the published repository. ??? how do you know what is in either? They are just two parts of a larger .iso file, as far as I understand it. Chavdar Ivanov -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express Repository - kinda bare
I stand corrected. Concat the two parts together worked... Thanks Build 150 repository was two parts that were not concats. Instructions for that repository were to rsync the different repos after mounting the individual iso's I would think that would not change. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
Edward Ned Harvey wrote: All rights not expressly granted above are hereby reserved. If you want to use the Programs for any purpose other than as permitted under this agreement, [...] you must obtain a valid license permitting such use. I think that S11Express include more then enough programs (if not all user programs) that are covered by GPL (GNOME, etc) and that rights for It's use can not be invalidated whatever Oracle is saying. So Oracle can not reserve all rights if it includes GPL or CDDL non-Oracle software. Therefore, that license restrictions can be applied only to binary parts of S11Express that are closed source ATM and not covered by license that allows free use of binary builds (as Oracle's OS/Net). OpenIndiana does just that: It uses open ON(OS/Net) consolidation and will use IllumOS ON consolidation in near future, instead of Oracle closed source ON and it adds on top of it other consolidations and programs, so you can use OpenIndiana without restrictions that Oracle Solaris wants to force to users. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express and xvm
On 11/16/10 01:04 AM, Bruno Damour wrote: Hello, In the repository (http://pkg.oracle.com/solaris/release) I see : system/x...@0.5.11,5.11-0.151.0.1:20101105T061852Z system/virti...@0.5.11,5.11-0.151.0.1:20101105T061851Z ... Does that mean that xvm is supported to use solaris 11 express as Dom0 ? That would be a huge benefit for me, currently stuck with snv_134 The 32-bit dom0 hypervisor has been removed, per the release notes: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/821-1479/fbdtw?l=ena=view Other details regarding xvm usage can be found there as well. -Shawn ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express Repository - kinda bare
On 11/16/10 08:06 AM, Chavdar Ivanov wrote: did you download the repository or connect through the web? I have tried both and have problems both ways. Part B of the repository will not mount up under any filesystem type. after lofiadm the iso /dev/lofi/1 mount fails with not a hsfs filesystem. Part A works fine. You concatenate the two parts and mount the resulting .iso file - just fine. They're actually separate ISO files -- not a physical file split. -Shawn ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express Repository - kinda bare
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/16/2010 2:16 PM, Shawn Walker wrote: You concatenate the two parts and mount the resulting .iso file - just fine. They're actually separate ISO files -- not a physical file split. That's not true. Not according to the page you download them from anyway: The repository image is provided in two parts that must be concatenated together. Please use the following command-line instructions to successfully create a full ISO image that can be burned to a dual-layer DVD or directly mounted using lofiadm. u...@hostname:~$ unzip sol-11-exp-201011-repo-full-iso-a.zip u...@hostname:~$ unzip sol-11-exp-201011-repo-full-iso-b.zip u...@hostname:~$ cat sol-11-exp-201011-repo-full.iso-a sol-11-exp-201011-repo-full.iso-b sol-11-exp-201011-repo-full.iso - -Kyle -Shawn ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM4tjeAAoJEEADRM+bKN5wpfEH/j7gxjq6K7y+H+9/Qa+XZ5nf z/P/nY9iGL4qexVKitV+OrEDdJQKwWfz7MPpsCvoSvDTtoKiI40/p1C8IefA3pTS IvFvNU5zMNS+J4X5AnMgoHtDrs2vpObJtcatCLBm5R/FaVamyHXjysckIMGZR0pj UBsbnCmN1QkM/BHVdpn9Buu/wg7DowBYwVzUQecTr76z570K87+LQcOpRP+vgHJg IzbVaDj/eFzn85Iz26ySY40PM5K94tIMzH/qZRXKx1piHJm8GYQb9Gr2SUdvFmiE +khwtaqAWo4tAp7ILMcipcCZUmCsGmwPIm67XnejSGTmlEysZGX62jZV2V+OKO8= =9eBH -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express and xvm
On 11/17/10 08:11 AM, Shawn Walker wrote: On 11/16/10 01:04 AM, Bruno Damour wrote: Hello, In the repository (http://pkg.oracle.com/solaris/release) I see : system/x...@0.5.11,5.11-0.151.0.1:20101105T061852Z system/virti...@0.5.11,5.11-0.151.0.1:20101105T061851Z ... Does that mean that xvm is supported to use solaris 11 express as Dom0 ? That would be a huge benefit for me, currently stuck with snv_134 The 32-bit dom0 hypervisor has been removed, per the release notes: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/821-1479/fbdtw?l=ena=view Other details regarding xvm usage can be found there as well. Interesting. Based on the push for Oracle's alternative Xen based offering, I was expecting xVM to be completely removed. -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express and xvm
On 11/16/2010 3:24 PM, Ian Collins wrote: On 11/17/10 08:11 AM, Shawn Walker wrote: On 11/16/10 01:04 AM, Bruno Damour wrote: Hello, In the repository (http://pkg.oracle.com/solaris/release) I see : system/x...@0.5.11,5.11-0.151.0.1:20101105T061852Z system/virti...@0.5.11,5.11-0.151.0.1:20101105T061851Z ... Does that mean that xvm is supported to use solaris 11 express as Dom0 ? That would be a huge benefit for me, currently stuck with snv_134 The 32-bit dom0 hypervisor has been removed, per the release notes: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/821-1479/fbdtw?l=ena=view Other details regarding xvm usage can be found there as well. Interesting. Based on the push for Oracle's alternative Xen based offering, I was expecting xVM to be completely removed. Me too, but this is a welcomed surprise and, honestly, the one thing that has suddenly caused me to start thinking again about running Solaris 11 on my network. I've searched for some time looking for any other information about xvm support in Solaris 11 Express and have found nothing. It almost appears to be a hidden feature... The doc Shawn linked is kind of strange in that it illustrates that there was a concerted effort to remove 32-bit Dom0 support while leaving 64-bit support. It doesn't really say that 64-bit Dom0 is supported, other than saying that use of the 64-bit hypervisor won't affect the ability to run either 32 or 64 bit guest machines. I have a couple pressing questions, perhaps someone could link me to relevant docs: * if xvm Dom0 is in Solaris 11 Express, does that imply that it will also be in Solaris 11? * how has xvm been modified since b134? - I can't tell and I know there were a few bugs in b134, but it seems that if xvm is being picked up again, then it may have been updated in way other than stripping out the 32-bit support... Thanks, Kent ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express and xvm
On 11/17/10 03:17 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: On 11/16/2010 3:24 PM, Ian Collins wrote: On 11/17/10 08:11 AM, Shawn Walker wrote: The 32-bit dom0 hypervisor has been removed, per the release notes: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/821-1479/fbdtw?l=ena=view Other details regarding xvm usage can be found there as well. Interesting. Based on the push for Oracle's alternative Xen based offering, I was expecting xVM to be completely removed. Me too, but this is a welcomed surprise and, honestly, the one thing that has suddenly caused me to start thinking again about running Solaris 11 on my network. I've searched for some time looking for any other information about xvm support in Solaris 11 Express and have found nothing. It almost appears to be a hidden feature... The doc Shawn linked is kind of strange in that it illustrates that there was a concerted effort to remove 32-bit Dom0 support while leaving 64-bit support. It doesn't really say that 64-bit Dom0 is supported, other than saying that use of the 64-bit hypervisor won't affect the ability to run either 32 or 64 bit guest machines. I have a couple pressing questions, perhaps someone could link me to relevant docs: * if xvm Dom0 is in Solaris 11 Express, does that imply that it will also be in Solaris 11? Well it isn't listed in the Features That Might Be Removed in a Future Release section of the release notes. * how has xvm been modified since b134? - I can't tell and I know there were a few bugs in b134, but it seems that if xvm is being picked up again, then it may have been updated in way other than stripping out the 32-bit support... That might be problem, it it's still there, but not being worked on. The version is still 3.4.2 (as build 133). -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express and xvm
Kent Watsen wrote: * if xvm Dom0 is in Solaris 11 Express, does that imply that it will also be in Solaris 11? No, we are still working through removal of EOF features. There are some major removals yet to come. (I don't know about Dom0 specifically, just the case in general.) -- -Alan Coopersmith-alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express and xvm
On 11/17/10 04:29 PM, Alan Coopersmith wrote: Kent Watsen wrote: * if xvm Dom0 is in Solaris 11 Express, does that imply that it will also be in Solaris 11? No, we are still working through removal of EOF features. There are some major removals yet to come. (I don't know about Dom0 specifically, just the case in general.) That could be a support headache if a supported customer uses an EOF feature in production. -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express and xvm
What would be ideal is for Oracle to synchronize the Xen implementation and functionality in Oracle VM on Linux with Solaris 11 on x86. That way customers have a choice on where to run the Xen hypervisor. Either that, or take VirtualBox and elevate it to a type 1 hypervisor ontop of Solaris 11. That would be a major differentiator. I personally think the Xen market is flooded with Linux implementations. Then again, Red Hat is obviously pushing for KVM.. so I guess that's another option. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Octave J. Orgeron Solaris Virtualization Architect and Consultant Web: http://unixconsole.blogspot.com E-Mail: unixcons...@yahoo.com *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* - Original Message From: Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com To: Alan Coopersmith alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Cc: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 9:39:37 PM Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express and xvm On 11/17/10 04:29 PM, Alan Coopersmith wrote: Kent Watsen wrote: * if xvm Dom0 is in Solaris 11 Express, does that imply that it will also be in Solaris 11? No, we are still working through removal of EOF features. There are some major removals yet to come. (I don't know about Dom0 specifically, just the case in general.) That could be a support headache if a supported customer uses an EOF feature in production. -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express and xvm
On 11/16/2010 7:39 PM, Ian Collins wrote: On 11/17/10 04:29 PM, Alan Coopersmith wrote: Kent Watsen wrote: * if xvm Dom0 is in Solaris 11 Express, does that imply that it will also be in Solaris 11? No, we are still working through removal of EOF features. There are some major removals yet to come. (I don't know about Dom0 specifically, just the case in general.) That could be a support headache if a supported customer uses an EOF feature in production. Which is why people should read the Release Notes. http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/821-1479/eos-36?a=view :-) Of course, there does appear to be specific direction as to the future of 64-bit Dom0 or any DomU. -- Erik Trimble Java System Support Mailstop: usca22-123 Phone: x17195 Santa Clara, CA ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express and xvm
On 11/16/2010 8:16 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: On 11/16/2010 7:39 PM, Ian Collins wrote: On 11/17/10 04:29 PM, Alan Coopersmith wrote: Kent Watsen wrote: * if xvm Dom0 is in Solaris 11 Express, does that imply that it will also be in Solaris 11? No, we are still working through removal of EOF features. There are some major removals yet to come. (I don't know about Dom0 specifically, just the case in general.) That could be a support headache if a supported customer uses an EOF feature in production. Which is why people should read the Release Notes. http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/821-1479/eos-36?a=view :-) Of course, there does appear to be specific direction as to the future of 64-bit Dom0 or any DomU. Oops. I missed inserting the word NOT. As in, no specific direction about 64-bit xvm. -- Erik Trimble Java System Support Mailstop: usca22-123 Phone: x17195 Santa Clara, CA ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express and xvm
On 11/17/10 05:23 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: On 11/16/2010 8:16 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: On 11/16/2010 7:39 PM, Ian Collins wrote: On 11/17/10 04:29 PM, Alan Coopersmith wrote: Kent Watsen wrote: * if xvm Dom0 is in Solaris 11 Express, does that imply that it will also be in Solaris 11? No, we are still working through removal of EOF features. There are some major removals yet to come. (I don't know about Dom0 specifically, just the case in general.) That could be a support headache if a supported customer uses an EOF feature in production. Which is why people should read the Release Notes. http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/821-1479/eos-36?a=view :-) Of course, there does appear to be specific direction as to the future of 64-bit Dom0 or any DomU. Oops. I missed inserting the word NOT. As in, no specific direction about 64-bit xvm. Support for 32–bit and 64–bit guest domUs remains unaffected on the 64–bit version of the hypervisor delivered in this release. In that section may give the wrong impression! -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 11 express and xvm
Does that mean that xvm is supported to use solaris 11 express as Dom0 ? Yes, the xVM packages are still present in 2010.11 although there are known issues with them. And though the packages are there and I can't speak to the dom0 roadmap, I should point out the following approved ARC case from earlier this year PSARC/2010/250 EOF of Solaris xVM dom0 closed approved fast-track 07/07/2010 (from http://arc.opensolaris.org/caselog/PSARC/2010/) domU support is available in 2010.11, both in PV and in HVM mode. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Paul Griffith Solaris 11 Express: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/index.html http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server- storage/solaris11/downloads/index.html It looks like they're releasing it free, for development purposes only. I wonder about open source... The one other thing that's unclear is what to do if you want to use it for more than just development purposes. I could be reading this wrong, but it looks like you can purchase Support for Operating Systems, and it seems to include any Oracle OS. Solaris. (Express?) Linux. And Oracle VM. Seems to be one price, for any OS. If you go to the download page for sol11exp, and you click on overview instead of download, then they list Support for Operating Systems under solaris 11 express under support. From the OTN License Agreement: we grant you a perpetual [...], nonexclusive, nontransferable, limited License to use the Programs only for the purpose of developing, testing, prototyping and demonstrating your applications, and not for any other purpose. All rights not expressly granted above are hereby reserved. If you want to use the Programs for any purpose other than as permitted under this agreement, [...] you must obtain a valid license permitting such use. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
On 16/11/2010, at 5:49 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Paul Griffith Solaris 11 Express: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/index.html http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server- storage/solaris11/downloads/index.html It looks like they're releasing it free, for development purposes only. I wonder about open source... The one other thing that's unclear is what to do if you want to use it for more than just development purposes. I could be reading this wrong, but it looks like you can purchase Support for Operating Systems, and it seems to include any Oracle OS. Solaris. (Express?) Linux. And Oracle VM. Seems to be one price, for any OS. That's correct. Oracle Solaris 11 Express is covered under Oracle's existing Premier Support and Oracle Solaris Premier Subscription support agreements. Glynn ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Paul Griffith Solaris 11 Express: From the What's New: (Amongst many other things) http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/documentation/sol aris-express-whatsnew-201011-175308.pdf Image Packaging System (IPS) is a new network based package management system included in Oracle Solaris 11 Express 2010.11. IPS includes a number of command-line utilities including pkg(1) and graphical tools UFS is no longer supported as a root filesystem ZFS deduplication support has been added ZFS Diff: Users with the appropriate privilege can now view what file and directory level changes have occurred between snapshots, such as files or directories added, removed, modified or renamed in a later snapshot. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
interesting would be to know if the upgrade from OS 2009.06 is working well or not. Karel -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
Hi Glynn Those are good news. Now OpenIndiana at home and Solaris 11 at work ;) What I haven't seen (not much time anyway) is the migration path for those on b134. Will it be 134.0.2 on pkg.opensolaris.org, and then to 151 on pkg.oracle.com/solaris/relese ? regards - Pablo -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
On 11/15/10 11:03 AM, Karel Gardas wrote: interesting would be to know if the upgrade from OS 2009.06 is working well or not. Yes, the process is described here and was noted in the release announcement: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/821-1479/gklaa?l=ena=view -Shawn ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
On 11/15/10 02:03 PM, Karel Gardas wrote: interesting would be to know if the upgrade from OS 2009.06 is working well or not. Karel Yes, I just finished upgrading from Opensolaris b134 (note, NOT b134b). It booted up fine. You just have to follow the instructions in the release notes. For you, you'll have to upgrade Opensolaris to b134b, Oracle has updated the Development release to b134 to allow upgrading to Solaris Express. Paul ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
On 15 November 2010 17:13, Paul Griffith pa...@cse.yorku.ca wrote: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/index.html http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/downloads/index.html Can someone post the MD1 and SHA256 hashes for the ISO files, please? Nicholas -- Nicholas George MBDA System Integration (home office) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
Well you know some of us home users aren't going to be happy. *Supported on sun4v and sun4u based systems with OBP (Open Boot PROM) level 4.17 or higher. $ uname -a;prtdiag -v|tail -2 SunOS paradox 5.11 snv_97 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Blade-1000 OBP 4.16.4 2004/12/18 05:18 POST 4.16.3 2004/11/05 20:02 ...so I suppose I have to wait for the source release, and for someone (or do it myself - not likely) to do something about that restriction. Ouch. That's the latest OBP firmware for that hardware, AFAIK; and the Sun Blade 1000, 2000, Sun Fire 280R, and Netra 20 would all be affected. Ironically, my Sun Blade 100 (a wimp by comparison) has 4.17.1, so it's ok. The one I don't want to upgrade, I can, and the good one is orphaned. Blech. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
On 16/11/2010, at 9:50 AM, Nicholas George wrote: On 15 November 2010 17:13, Paul Griffith pa...@cse.yorku.ca wrote: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/index.html http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/downloads/index.html Can someone post the MD1 and SHA256 hashes for the ISO files, please? http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1992347 We're just in the process of getting these posted to the Download page. Glynn ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
On 11/15/10 04:20 PM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: Well you know some of us home users aren't going to be happy. *Supported on sun4v and sun4u based systems with OBP (Open Boot PROM) level 4.17 or higher. $ uname -a;prtdiag -v|tail -2 SunOS paradox 5.11 snv_97 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Blade-1000 OBP 4.16.4 2004/12/18 05:18 POST 4.16.3 2004/11/05 20:02 ...so I suppose I have to wait for the source release, and for someone (or do it myself - not likely) to do something about that restriction. Ouch. That's the latest OBP firmware for that hardware, AFAIK; and the Sun Blade 1000, 2000, Sun Fire 280R, and Netra 20 would all be affected. Ironically, my Sun Blade 100 (a wimp by comparison) has 4.17.1, so it's ok. The one I don't want to upgrade, I can, and the good one is orphaned. Blech. It's likely that it will work for you if you install from the text installer media, but automated installation requires that level of OBP. Dave ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Karel Gardas karel.gar...@centrum.cz wrote: interesting would be to know if the upgrade from OS 2009.06 is working well or not. I haven't tried that exact path, but I have image-update'd from OpenIndiana to something that looks quite similar to Solaris 11 Express (build 150 instead of 151a) I've been using the machine on which I did this as my primary machine for a couple weeks now without any problems. -- Mike Gerdts http://mgerdts.blogspot.com/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express is out
It's likely that it will work for you if you install from the text installer media, but automated installation requires that level of OBP. I'd have to use a text-based installer anyway, since anything that no longer includes Xsun won't support anything other than an XVR-100 that would work on that system, at least not out of the box. (I think I do have an XVR-100, somewhere; big step down from an XVR-1000, though.) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express
And realistically, having the source code is nice and all, but how many people really compile ON anyways? Most folks just want something they can download, install, and use. Right. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express
Now from a licensing perspective, I was told by this same product manager that the OTN license does enable us to use Solaris 11 Express, Solaris 11, and Solaris 10 for personal use (development, education, evaluation, hobby, etc.) for free. It's only when you use those products for production that they want you to pay. Actually, I also spoke to a marketing manager high up, about this. He spoke with some managers high up, about Solaris 10/11 licensing and all the managers said what you say: free for personal use. I asked the marketing manager that Oracle rephrase the license text and be much clearer in the text. The marketing manager will get back to me later on this. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express
Orvar Korvar knatte_fnatte_tja...@yahoo.com wrote: Actually, I also spoke to a marketing manager high up, about this. He spoke with some managers high up, about Solaris 10/11 licensing and all the managers said what you say: free for personal use. For the future of Solaris this is definitely not enough. The decision makers of tomorrow are the students from today and these students select from competing OS based on properties Being Open Source is important in the univiersity. A free for personal use Solaris cannot compete with other OS being OSS (like Linux or FreeBSD). Features alone are not sufficient at the universities, but I doubt that Oracle is able to create a life stile product like Apple does... Also note that (as explained before) Oracle cannot make Solaris binary only without at the same time being in conflict with the CDDL. In former times, when Solaris was closed source, Sun did not have all rights to make Solaris OSS. Now Solaris is OSS and Oracle (in a similar way) does not own all rights to make Solaris closed source again. As a result binary only bi-weekly releases do not make sense: - They do not change the bad situation Solaris now has at the universities after Oracle revised Sun's promises, so this would not change the chances for the future of Solaris - This would be in conflict with the CDDL - This would leak information from the closed information society Oraxle I believe that Oracle should generally rethink decisions in case that Oracle is really interested in the future of Solaris. Solaris is OpenSource and this cannot be reverted. Oracle has the chance to continue with an OSS Solaris, let Solaris slowly die or let innovation in Solaris happen elsewhere. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express
1)I contributed code _before_ signing the SCA Joerg, the code you contributed without an SCA where the hsfs changes that were done under the umbrella of a regular contract with you. SCA and CDDL doe not matter in that case. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express
As mentioned before, you are obviously incorrectly informed. and you are obviously not able to give clear and precise answers to a question: again, Casper asked: snip Which files are you referring to where Sun/Oracle doesn't have the copyright? snip end -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express
The decision makers of tomorrow are the students from today and these students select from competing OS based on properties Being Open Source is important in the univiersity. A free for personal use Solaris cannot compete with other OS being OSS (like Linux or FreeBSD). Features alone are not sufficient at the universities, but I doubt that Oracle is able to create a life stile product like Apple does... What Oracle wrote is not written in the stone. Oracle can change it in future, as well. Regarding licenses, Oracle *OWN* copyright and they could change CDDL as well. They could do *WHATEVER* they want. It means they can give for free binary only bi-weekly releases, they can make some specific (free) licensing model for universities, they can give Solaris 11 under the same license model as Solaris 11 Express, etc. Everything is possible, it is just a matter weather they want to do it or not. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express
Frank Batschulat frank.batschu...@oracle.com wrote: 1) I contributed code _before_ signing the SCA Joerg, the code you contributed without an SCA where the hsfs changes that were done under the umbrella of a regular contract with you. SCA and CDDL doe not matter in that case. The CDDL matters in this case as Sun did not pay for the work. Sun did not own the code and for this reason, Oracle doesn't own it either. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Joerg Schilling free for personal use. For the future of Solaris this is definitely not enough. Definitely is a relative term. ;-) Both Redhat and Suse have unsupported free open community versions of their commercial OS, Fedora and Opensuse, just like opensolaris is/was the unsupported free open community version of solaris. 11Express will be like Sol11 but free for personal use. If you want it for commercial use, your choice will be to pay for solaris, or use one of the free community clones such as illumos. Just like the choice between Centos vs RHEL. I'll think about believing your claim definitely not enough for the future of solaris 11 maybe after Redhat goes bankrupt. The model works for Redhat. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Joerg Schilling The CDDL matters in this case as Sun did not pay for the work. Sun did not own the code and for this reason, Oracle doesn't own it either. Name a file in the source tree, which is not Copyright Oracle. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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Frank Batschulat frank.batschu...@oracle.com wrote: SCA and CDDL doe not matter in that case. The CDDL matters in this case as Sun did not pay for the work. I guess that is something you have to sort out with a lawyer to get your problems if there are any with that contract sorted. The German Urheberrecht is very obvious in this case, you cannot get any rights on other peoples work unless this is OSS or there is a fair compensation. Sun did not own the code and for this reason, Oracle doesn't own it either. I just checked every file in HSFS, none has a conflicting/extended copyright. Such a note is not important in Germany. fact is that was contract work done by you on behalf of Sun. in that case neither the CDDL nor a SCA apply. You pretty much acted as a Sun employee here. The fact is that Sun or Orcale cannot own anything they did not pay for, see above. Before, this was covered by the OSS exception in the German Urheberrecht, but this changes at the moment when Oracle publishes the software under non-OSS constraints. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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Edward Ned Harvey sh...@nedharvey.com wrote: Definitely is a relative term. ;-) Both Redhat and Suse have unsupported free open community versions of their commercial OS, Fedora and Opensuse, just like opensolaris is/was the unsupported free open community version of solaris. 11Express will be like Sol11 but free for personal use. If you want it for commercial use, your choice will be to pay for solaris, or use one of the free community clones such as illumos. Just like the choice between Centos vs RHEL. I'll think about believing your claim definitely not enough for the future of solaris 11 maybe after Redhat goes bankrupt. The model works for Redhat. You compare apples with pears (or like you say in English apples with oranges). Linux has it's place at the universities because it is independent from RedHat and Suse and beacuse it is OSS Try to look at HP-UX in universities Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Joerg Schilling The German Urheberrecht is very obvious in this case, you cannot get any rights on other peoples work unless this is OSS or there is a fair compensation. Or if the person making the contribution willingly assigned copyright to someone else. Such is the case if you modified a file which is copyright Oracle, and you gave those modifications to Oracle, and agreed to let Oracle continue distributing it, labeled Copyright Oracle. I don't know if that was Sun's or Oracle's policy, but I fully expect they would reject any community contributions unless you were willing to assign copyright to them. Specifically just for this reason. Suppose I'm wrong about this. It will only matter if we hear any news about the German government prosecuting Oracle. So until that happens, Joerg, the whole argument is moot. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Edward Ned Harvey if you modified a file which is copyright Oracle, and you gave those modifications to Oracle, and agreed to let Oracle continue distributing it, labeled Copyright Oracle. For that matter: Try to name any specific community contributed code that ever went into solaris/opensolaris code. The parts which are owned by oracle (kernel, zfs, dtrace, etc) were developed entirely, or almost entirely by oracle/sun employees. Even if you want to make your case oracle didn't pay for development of some of the code which is in oracle copyrighted files, and that matters in germany, you have to be able to identify some code in some files, which is copyright oracle, but contributed/written by somebody who wasn't paid by oracle. And oracle's easy response, even if you can find something like that, is to simply chop it out. If they remove the parts that you contributed for free, once again, you have no case to try and force them to open their code. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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Edward Ned Harvey sh...@nedharvey.com wrote: Suppose I'm wrong about this. It will only matter if we hear any news about the German government prosecuting Oracle. So until that happens, Joerg, the whole argument is moot. You are uninformed on this topic and for this reason, your claims do not match reality. Sun did get the code because they claimed that would pay for it. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express
I believe that some people has copyright conflicts with Oracle, after they acquired SUN. While I tentatively understood it, I believe that the best way to sort it out is finding some good lawyer, and see what can be done if anything can be done at all. My intention here is to move this discussion into slightly other way - how to get Solaris binary bi-weekly builds? As far as I understood Oracle, they plan to release Solaris 11, Solaris 11 Express, and after some time to release code (after one year, two years, who knows). What we can do is to develop a community around this source code, and add plenty of other open source software in it. After some time they will release Solaris 11 Express b2, then b3, and so on (binary only!) . We will stay on-track and pick-up all open source code they release after they return their investment in development. Then it could be available as somethingconsidered as a public good, so anyone could use. We could also ask Oracle to give us right on OpenSolaris name, but this time it will be the binary release and open sourced code well behind Oracle's current development and current Solaris 11 Expressbuilds. Except, it will have all other open source ported on it that community is able to do it. I strongly believe that this business model could survive and that ORACLE will understand it and support it! Resources we ask are almost ineligible - OpenSolaris trademark, opensolaris.org website and one cabinet of SUN SPARC/X86 servers so we could compile each newOpenSolaris release, port new applications and conduct testing. As once I already said - if Larry wants to enter into charity area as he said, this could be great opportunity for him, especially this move could generate revenue for his company on a longer term in future even if he doesn't know/understand it now! (through community-based innovation, contribution and expanding Solaris eco-system) -- Uros NedicBelgrade, Serbia ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
