Re: [opensuse] Amount of physical memory
On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 01:31:38AM +0200, Christian Boltz wrote:
Am Dienstag, 25. Oktober 2005 23:50 schrieb Eberhard Moenkeberg:
If I would need it, I would do
grep ^MemTotal /proc/meminfo | (read a b c; echo $b )
and here bash needs the (...) to force the subprocess forking at
the right point...
No, it does *not* need a subprocess. You just need to expand the
pipe ;-)
grep ^MemTotal /proc/meminfo | { read a b c; echo $b ; }
Topped again :-)
No. In this case the implementation requires forking bash like in the example
above to handle the fifo queue thus there is actually no difference here.
Robert
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Re: [opensuse] Amount of physical memory
Robert, On Tuesday 25 October 2005 21:22, Robert Schiele wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 11:50:52PM +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: If I would need it, I would do grep ^MemTotal /proc/meminfo | (read a b c; echo $b ) and here bash needs the (...) to force the subprocess forking at the right point... And now what is the advantage of this solution to the awk script from Pascal? You do realize this is just a puzzle / contest / obfuscated programming / mine's-(smaller|faster|cleverer|cooler)-than-yours kind of thing, right? Robert RRS - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Amount of physical memory
On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 11:13:25PM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote: You do realize this is just a puzzle / contest / obfuscated programming / mine's-(smaller|faster|cleverer|cooler)-than-yours kind of thing, right? Sure, and I act as referee to smash down the solutions that did not win the contest. Robert -- Robert Schiele Tel.: +49-621-181-2214 Dipl.-Wirtsch.informatiker mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpGdS76esLDt.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] Amount of physical memory
Hi, On Wed, 26 Oct 2005, Robert Schiele wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 11:50:52PM +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: If I would need it, I would do grep ^MemTotal /proc/meminfo | (read a b c; echo $b ) and here bash needs the (...) to force the subprocess forking at the right point... And now what is the advantage of this solution to the awk script from Pascal? This is not what was set against Pascal's solution. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] what happens to BZ bugs?
Janne Karhunen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Just out of curiosity, what happens to reported bugs (BZ)? Some of them seem to disappear without a trace with no hint what so ever about what happened to them. I've had half-a-dozen bugs just disappear while after being assigned. Quite rude, really.. I don't know about the disappear and need a bugzilla number to look at this. In general: Bugs get fixed for our next release and you'll see those fixes in the next alphas already. Some folks are on vacation right now, and bug triage is currently not top-priority for our developers, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpTdJR3p6Bsn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] Wireless network - reconfigure every reboot
Oh, i hate using 777 but what a pity that my system doesn't execute dhcpcd at boot time, if i give it a permission except 777.(i couldn't download SuSE 10.0 OSS yet, using another distro.I use S80 for my script to make it work at very last, before gdm.My script is: /sbin/dhcpcd -G 192.168.1.1 http://192.168.1.1/ wlan0 And yeah, i can't call this a script but it's a file that includes one command, a very very short one !! I'm a bit in scripting i know that is not really a script, just calling it as script.Unfortunately i can't use 777 until i get SuSE.Anyways, everyone should use 755 then :) On 10/26/05, Christian Boltz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Am Dienstag, 25. Oktober 2005 16:27 schrieb Ilker: If it'll help you, i also have an unsupported wireless lan card (not intel) and here's what i've done to get it working: Installed dhcpcd package. chmod 777 /sbin/dhcpcd Wow. Very good idea :-/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ echo -e '#!/bin/sh\nrm -rf /' /sbin/dhcpd Do you still think chmod 777 is a good idea? (Hint: 755 is ways better!) Oh, please do *not* test what the generated script would do! /sbin/dhcpcd -G router-ip wlan0 and put a shell script at /etc/init.3 (or something like that) includes: #!/bin/sh /sbin/dhcpcd -G 192.168.1.1 http://192.168.1.1 http://192.168.1.1 wlan0 Are you really sure that this is part of your command line? and that completely worked, without any other software.It starts up automatically on every boot.I'm sorry if this information is not releated any ways (?).Just you can put a shell script to get it working on every boot. Have a look at /etc/init.d/skeleton to see how initscripts should be written. Your short script may work (at least as long as you don't use insserv - it will move your script to start first. This will make it fail because the network script won't be run yet.) - but it is a very bad style. [moved fullquote to /dev/null] Fullquotes and top-posting are not very popular in these list - please have a look at http://www.opensuse.org/Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette Regards, Christian Boltz -- In Yast2-System-Editor /etc/sysconfig-Dateien in System-Kernel-MODULES_LOADED_ON_BOOT ide-scsi eintragen. David, bitte wegschauen... Nein David, das hast Du nicht gesehen. Es ist alles OK, David... Ganz ruhig... :-) [ Arne Dieckmann und Thomas Hertweck in suse-linux] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Are newest SCSI kernel changes already integrated?
Hi, I just wanted to know, if the following kernel changes of the SCSI code are already integrated in the current SUSE kernel: http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=ba9e358fd04190a59e605c2963a15e014139a707 They solved my problem with a 4GB machine with a SCSI controller and BIOS memory remapping enabled, see kernel bug: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5489 Is there any chance this will be backported to 9.x or 10.0? Ciao Siegbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Are newest SCSI kernel changes already integrated?
Siegbert Baude [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I just wanted to know, if the following kernel changes of the SCSI code are already integrated in the current SUSE kernel: http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=ba9e358fd04190a59e605c2963a15e014139a707 Our current kernel-of-the-day (see ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/kernel/kotd) is at 2.6.14 RC5 - and if RC5 contains these patches, then everything is fine. They solved my problem with a 4GB machine with a SCSI controller and BIOS memory remapping enabled, see kernel bug: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5489 Is there any chance this will be backported to 9.x or 10.0? We're not backporting them. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpBdDuhsBOtG.pgp Description: PGP signature
[opensuse] Capi with AVM Fritz Card PCI
Hi, I want to use the AVM Fritz Card PCI 2.0 with Opensuse 10 on an AMD Athlon64. This ISDN card runs perfect with the HiSAX-Driver, but if I want to use the Capi-Driver I get following error code: error in /sbin/isdnctrl addif ippp0 I get the same error if I want to start the interface manually. I also downloaded and installed this two files: ftp://[EMAIL PROTECTED]:21/pub/linux/suse/ftp.suse.com/suse/x86_64/10.0/SUSE-Linux10.0-GM-Extra/suse/x86_64/avmfritzcapi-2.6-40.x86_64.rpm ftp://[EMAIL PROTECTED]:21/pub/linux/suse/ftp.suse.com/suse/x86_64/10.0/SUSE-Linux10.0-GM-Extra/suse/x86_64/km_fritzcapi-2.6-40.x86_64.rpm How can I get Capi work under Opensuse? Thanks Christian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] what happens to BZ bugs?
Just out of curiosity, what happens to reported bugs (BZ)? Some of them seem to disappear without a trace with no hint what so ever about what happened to them. I've had half-a-dozen bugs just disappear while after being assigned. Quite rude, really.. I don't know about the disappear and need a bugzilla number to look at this. In general: Bugs get fixed for our next release and you'll see those fixes in the next alphas already. Some folks are on vacation right now, and bug triage is currently not top-priority for our developers, Problem with this is that next release will have a whole new set of bugs that wouldn't get fixed until the next release. And the cycle goes on.. But anyway, looks like bugs just disappear from 'my bugs' listing and don't have any updates. Some of the bugs I reported that i thought were lost were 127493, 130137, 121877 etc - but indeed, by searching with the bug number they do still exist, but just haven't had any activity for a while. I can see the ones that require something from me though, like 128670. -- // Janne - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] what happens to BZ bugs?
On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 12:23:28PM +0300, Janne Karhunen wrote: Just out of curiosity, what happens to reported bugs (BZ)? Some of them seem to disappear without a trace with no hint what so ever about what happened to them. I've had half-a-dozen bugs just disappear while after being assigned. Quite rude, really.. I don't know about the disappear and need a bugzilla number to look at this. In general: Bugs get fixed for our next release and you'll see those fixes in the next alphas already. Some folks are on vacation right now, and bug triage is currently not top-priority for our developers, Problem with this is that next release will have a whole new set of bugs that wouldn't get fixed until the next release. And the cycle goes on.. But anyway, looks like bugs just disappear from 'my bugs' listing and don't have any updates. Some of the bugs I reported that i thought were lost were 127493, 130137, 121877 etc - but indeed, by searching with the bug number they do still exist, but just haven't had any activity for a while. I can see the ones that require something from me though, like 128670. Thats why we provide the Alpha snapshots and the EDGE RPMs now and will focus on those ... to verify that the bugs are gone and the new ones are kept to a minimum. Ciao, Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] apt for suse 10.1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all: I check this page - http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/freshrpms/index.html and for suse 10.1 x86_32 I see a lot of files like this: FA_clxclient-debuginfo-1.0.2-4.x86_64.rpm ^^ is it normal? cheers - -- Chema Ollés Usuario Linux: #198057 Linux 2.6.14-rc3-g82984114 #1 SMP Sat Oct 8 15:39:19 CEST 2005 i686 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDX0zp65SpD7GhbzoRArJ8AJ9B830jqia/EaVv00p1HoJ/u5LSPACfZgTh Nd63fXreCFqnA+upC6iDXpw= =YAON -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] what happens to BZ bugs?
Hi, On Wed, 26 Oct 2005, Janne Karhunen wrote: Just out of curiosity, what happens to reported bugs (BZ)? Some of them seem to disappear without a trace with no hint what so ever about what happened to them. I've had half-a-dozen bugs just disappear while after being assigned. Quite rude, really.. I don't know about the disappear and need a bugzilla number to look at this. In general: Bugs get fixed for our next release and you'll see those fixes in the next alphas already. Some folks are on vacation right now, and bug triage is currently not top-priority for our developers, Problem with this is that next release will have a whole new set of bugs that wouldn't get fixed until the next release. And the cycle goes on.. But anyway, looks like bugs just disappear from 'my bugs' listing and don't have any updates. Some of the bugs I reported that i thought were lost were 127493, 130137, 121877 etc - but indeed, by searching with the bug number they do still exist, but just haven't had any activity for a while. I can see the ones that require something from me though, like 128670. Try my reports. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] apt for suse 10.1
Hi, On Wed, 26 Oct 2005, Chema Ollés wrote: Hi all: I check this page - http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/freshrpms/index.html and for suse 10.1 x86_32 I see a lot of files like this: FA_clxclient-debuginfo-1.0.2-4.x86_64.rpm ^^ is it normal? No. Just corrected (will need some hours). Obviosly i must not escape | in reject rules... Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Capi with AVM Fritz Card PCI
Am Mittwoch 26 Oktober 2005 10:28 schrieb Christian Präger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I want to use the AVM Fritz Card PCI 2.0 with Opensuse 10 on an AMD Athlon64. This ISDN card runs perfect with the HiSAX-Driver, but if I want to use the Capi-Driver I get following error code: ... How can I get Capi work under Opensuse? Hi Christian, try ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/ftp.suse.com/suse/x86_64/10.0/SUSE-Linux10.0-GM-Extra/suse/x86_64/kernel-default-nongpl-2.6.13-15.x86_64.rpm -- mdc - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] www.betterdesktop.org
Where can we submit suggestions for better usability? For instance there is this two things with the default KDE setup in SUSE that must be very confusing for new users of SUSE. 1: The use of the round green gecko button. If you look at the default desktop on SUSE the same button is found in three different places on the desktop. But it has three different functions. The three different functions are: Suse watcher(YOU), KMenu(Kicker), SUSE Greeter. 2: The use of the word Control Center in the KMenu. One leads to the KDE Control Center the other to Yast. This is not good usability in my opinion. This is not meant as a flame of SUSE but as constructive pointers. If this is not the right forum. Please tell me where I should direct such issues in the future. -- Regards Kenneth Aar - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] www.betterdesktop.org
Hi, what about using good old Bugzilla and filing these as bugs against SUSE Linux, Component: Usability? cheers, Jana On Wed, 26 Oct 2005, Kenneth Aar wrote: Where can we submit suggestions for better usability? For instance there is this two things with the default KDE setup in SUSE that must be very confusing for new users of SUSE. 1: The use of the round green gecko button. If you look at the default desktop on SUSE the same button is found in three different places on the desktop. But it has three different functions. The three different functions are: Suse watcher(YOU), KMenu(Kicker), SUSE Greeter. 2: The use of the word Control Center in the KMenu. One leads to the KDE Control Center the other to Yast. This is not good usability in my opinion. This is not meant as a flame of SUSE but as constructive pointers. If this is not the right forum. Please tell me where I should direct such issues in the future. -- Jana Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Documentation Maxfeldstr. 5 +49 (0) 911 74053-0 D-90409 Nuernberg http://www.suse.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] www.betterdesktop.org
On Wednesday 26 October 2005 12:55, Kenneth Aar wrote: Where can we submit suggestions for better usability? As far as I am told there is no real way for feedback planned on betterdesktop.org. A larger number of projects do work with our friends at http://www.openusability.org/ For instance there is this two things with the default KDE setup in SUSE that must be very confusing for new users of SUSE. 1: The use of the round green gecko button. If you look at the default desktop on SUSE the same button is found in three different places on the desktop. But it has three different functions. The three different functions are: Suse watcher(YOU), KMenu(Kicker), SUSE Greeter. 2: The use of the word Control Center in the KMenu. One leads to the KDE Control Center the other to Yast. This is not good usability in my opinion. This is not meant as a flame of SUSE but as constructive pointers. If this is not the right forum. Please tell me where I should direct such issues in the future. This is something for the Usability group at SUSE. There are some unconcrete plans to move them also to openusability.org. Please use Bugzilla usability component for now. bye adrian -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Are newest SCSI kernel changes already integrated?
Andreas Jaeger wrote: Siegbert Baude [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just wanted to know, if the following kernel changes of the SCSI code are already integrated in the current SUSE kernel: http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=ba9e358fd04190a59e605c2963a15e014139a707 Our current kernel-of-the-day (see ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/kernel/kotd) is at 2.6.14 RC5 - and if RC5 contains these patches, then everything is fine. In RC5 they are not integrated. Linus added them to RC5-git5 on Mon, 24 Oct 2005 00:13:14 +; should I file a bug on opensuse.org to get this integrated? Is there any chance this will be backported to 9.x or 10.0? We're not backporting them. Hm o.k., so I have to try this myself. Ciao Siegbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Problem with EOS 20D
On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 08:33:01AM +1000, Steven Lamb wrote: Marcus Meissner wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 09:24:14AM +1000, Steven Lamb wrote: Hi, I have installed Suse 10.0 on my toshiba A70 laptop but I noticed that the camera is not being detected via the USB2 port. I have other devices which are being detected fine via USB2. Is it detected on the USB 1 port (if you have any)? What is the cat /proc/bus/usb/devices output with the camera attached? Can you switch the camera mode between Normal and PTP (to PTP if possible). Ciao, Marcus Below is the output of the cat. I tried PTP and Normal mode on all USB ports but the camera was still not detected. I tried another USB device and this worked without a problem. T: Bus=03 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=02 Cnt=01 Dev#= 2 Spd=480 MxCh= 0 D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor=04a9 ProdID=30eb Rev= 0.01 S: Manufacturer=Canon Inc. S: Product=Canon Digital Camera C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr=100mA I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none) E: Ad=81(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 512 Ivl=0ms E: Ad=02(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 512 Ivl=0ms E: Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 64 Ivl=64ms This is the camera in normal mode. The 20D currently will only work in PTP mode... gphoto2 --list-cameras|grep EOS should like the EOS 20D (PTP mode). Ciao, Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bug in OpenSSH
Am Dienstag, 25. Oktober 2005 13:46 schrieb Kunael: [..] ¿Any idea? Do you have a Marvell Gigabit LAN chip? Maybe even on a AMD64? Are you using sk98lin driver for the marvel? If so, please try using skge instead of sk98lin. Worked for me Burkhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Problem with EOS 20D
Marcus Meissner wrote: This is the camera in normal mode. The 20D currently will only work in PTP mode... gphoto2 --list-cameras|grep EOS should like the EOS 20D (PTP mode). digicam has the eos20d in it's list jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Are newest SCSI kernel changes already integrated?
Siegbert Baude [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andreas Jaeger wrote: Siegbert Baude [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just wanted to know, if the following kernel changes of the SCSI code are already integrated in the current SUSE kernel: http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=ba9e358fd04190a59e605c2963a15e014139a707 Our current kernel-of-the-day (see ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/kernel/kotd) is at 2.6.14 RC5 - and if RC5 contains these patches, then everything is fine. In RC5 they are not integrated. Linus added them to RC5-git5 on Mon, 24 Oct 2005 00:13:14 +; should I file a bug on opensuse.org to get this integrated? No, not in this case - we switch to RC6 and later to the final version once it's available, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpWpXeop4Mmh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] Wireless network - reconfigure every reboot
/sbin/dhcpcd -G 192.168.1.1 http://192.168.1.1/ wlan0 (single-ip, no http stuff) that points router Huh ? You see it as /sbin/dhcpcd -G 192.168.1.1 http://192.168.1.1/ http://192.168.1.1/ wlan0 ??? I use gmail web interface... I'm on a Debian, i also thought it's funny to accept only 777.
[opensuse] Removing SUSE java?
I am encountering java issues that someone informed me was because I am using the SUSE java distribution, when I need to be using Sun's direct distribution. How might I go about removing the SUSE distribution, and what residual files will I need to watch for after the fact so that it does not cause problems after installing Sun's package? Adam - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Problem with custom xorg.conf
Am Montag 24 Oktober 2005 19:42 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: first, reinstall the nvidia driver via YaST. If that didn't help try one of the following files: http://das.netz00.de/mist/xorg.conf.crt http://das.netz00.de/mist/xorg.conf.crtcrt http://das.netz00.de/mist/xorg.conf.crttv http://das.netz00.de/mist/xorg.conf.twincrt http://das.netz00.de/mist/xorg.conf.twintv Thanks for your files. But they did not solve my problem. What I want is what your xorg.conf.crttv delivers. If I have 2 device sections, the X server only starts if at most one of the sections contains: BusID PCI:1:0:0 But then, the second screen does not work. But no errors appear in Xorg.0.log but this: (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device (WW) NV: More than one matching Device section found: Device[1] (--) Chipset GeForce FX 5600 found As soon as both device sections contain the BusID entry. I get this error: Error: Entity already in use. I discovered that the framebuffer works this time. Before my problem appeared the situation was like this: - Framebuffer worked during boot showing the output to both, the LCD an TV-out with a resolution of 800x600 (both). - X started, 1280x1024 on LCD and 800x600 on TVout (with same config as in xorg.conf.crttv). - Changing back to text console mode gave me a blinking something. So, the framebuffer was not useable anymore. Now, as the TVout does not work, it's like that: - Framebuffer works the same way all the times (800x600 clone on both screens). - X running on LCD with 1280x1024. - Something works on TVout looking a little bit as the framebuffer looked before. Looks like a clone from LCD, but showing only a small part of it (zoomed) and completely distorted. I just see that something moves as I move a window on the LCD. Any idea? If I have to choose between the framebuffer and the second screen, I prefer the latter. Thanks, Dani - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Removing SUSE java?
Adam, On Wednesday 26 October 2005 08:13, Adam Schuett wrote: I am encountering java issues that someone informed me was because I am using the SUSE java distribution, when I need to be using Sun's direct distribution. How might I go about removing the SUSE distribution, and what residual files will I need to watch for after the fact so that it does not cause problems after installing Sun's package? I, and perhaps others, would appreciate hearing what kinds of problems you're having and why you think they're related to SuSE's packaging of Sun's Java software. Could you elaborate a bit? For the record, I've had no trouble running Java software on my SuSE 10.0 system now (and my 9.3 before it), including Azureus, Tomcat, Eclipse, jEdit, JUDE and a large Java program of my own authorship. Adam Randall Schulz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless network - reconfigure every reboot
Am Mittwoch 26 Oktober 2005 16:51 schrieb Ilker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: /sbin/dhcpcd -G 192.168.1.1 http://192.168.1.1/ wlan0 (single-ip, no http stuff) that points router Huh ? You see it as /sbin/dhcpcd -G 192.168.1.1 http://192.168.1.1/ http://192.168.1.1/ wlan0 ??? Hi Ilker, I use gmail web interface... this interface seems to interpret the ip as a link and duplicates it and adds http:// in front of it and puts angle brackets around. Maybe you should use a real mail client. I'm on a Debian, i also thought it's funny to accept only 777. You are right: 777 is funny. -- mdc - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Removing SUSE java?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Randall R Schulz wrote: On Wednesday 26 October 2005 08:13, Adam Schuett wrote: I am encountering java issues that someone informed me was because I am using the SUSE java distribution, when I need to be using Sun's direct distribution. ... I, and perhaps others, would appreciate hearing what kinds of problems you're having and why you think they're related to SuSE's packaging of Sun's Java software. Could you elaborate a bit? For the record, I've had no trouble running Java software on my SuSE 10.0 system now (and my 9.3 before it), including Azureus, Tomcat, Eclipse, jEdit, JUDE and a large Java program of my own authorship. Me neither, with the same list of applications + JBoss, Eclipse, DBVisualizer, ... And I would warmly recommend to leave the SUSE Java packages installed, as other packages depend on it being installed. If you want to use the RPM provided by Sun, just grab it, install it and manually set your JAVA_HOME, e.g. in ~/.profile export JAVA_HOME=/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_04 export JRE_HOME=$JAVA_HOME export PATH=$JAVA_HOME/bin:$PATH cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v FOSDEM 2006 -- 25+26 February 2006 in Brussels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDX6LEr3NMWliFcXcRAtOnAJ4l3xmKh1CEkB+jIreX7w3ESAzUAQCfSUP/ gHVipdJLQ/Yjy7fS9X4su3U= =ncoT -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Removing SUSE java?
Randall R Schulz wrote: Adam, On Wednesday 26 October 2005 08:13, Adam Schuett wrote: I am encountering java issues that someone informed me was because I am using the SUSE java distribution, when I need to be using Sun's direct distribution. How might I go about removing the SUSE distribution, and what residual files will I need to watch for after the fact so that it does not cause problems after installing Sun's package? I, and perhaps others, would appreciate hearing what kinds of problems you're having and why you think they're related to SuSE's packaging of Sun's Java software. Could you elaborate a bit? The problems go very deep, and I was not the author of the code. The basic problem is from communication via DSL lines using VPN, and then accessing the java program on a remote server and the java program then uses an RMI server on an AS400. We tried several things, and since the author refused to admit it was a coding issue (what's so hard about admitting our code could pack a flaw?), someone had tried this on their 9.3 machine and it worked with no more issues. Adam For the record, I've had no trouble running Java software on my SuSE 10.0 system now (and my 9.3 before it), including Azureus, Tomcat, Eclipse, jEdit, JUDE and a large Java program of my own authorship. Randall Schulz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Missing KDE styles after updating to QT on apt repository
I just tried updating to the latest QT on the apt repository (it's a prereq for a lot of the new KDE3.5 stuff and the latest Amarok on apt). When I install the RPM (using apt) I loose all my 5 of the available styles for KDE. It defaults down to CDE styles. So far the only way I've found to fix it is to roll back to the older version of QT... which means I can't install the latest KDE and other QT based apps from the apt repository. Is this happening to anyone else? Is there something I need to do/run/configure after installing the latest QT to be able to keep all my nice KDE styles? C. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] what happens to BZ bugs?
On Wednesday 26 October 2005 17:45, Randall R Schulz wrote: Problem with this is that next release will have a whole new set of bugs that wouldn't get fixed until the next release. And the cycle goes on.. If you can find a way to preclude that dynamic, you'd be a hero to millions. Maybe even billions. Now now, you know perfectly well that wasn't the point. We all know bug-free software doesn't exist. However, people usually stumble into few bugs that bother their daily usage patterns. If they can get these fixed they have something usable to live with. Constant updating never gets you a working version. Getting a few bugfixes in possibly does. -- // Janne - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Removing SUSE java?
On Wednesday 26 October 2005 17:10, Adam Schuett wrote: The problems go very deep, and I was not the author of the code. The basic problem is from communication via DSL lines using VPN, and then accessing the java program on a remote server and the java program then uses an RMI server on an AS400. We tried several things, and since the author refused to admit it was a coding issue (what's so hard about admitting our code could pack a flaw?), someone had tried this on their 9.3 machine and it worked with no more issues. I don't think you mentioned what the symptoms where, but problems with RMI can often be down to bad DNS resolving. You probably already know this, but RMI works in a 2 step process similar to unix RPC. You first connect to a registry and ask for a service and the response is the actual location of the service. If that response contains a bad hostname/ip then your client can end up at a dead-end. For example if you have an entry like 127.0.0.1 myhostname in the hosts file on the RMI server instead of 127.0.0.1 localhost (earlier versions of yast were guilty of this esp. on 9.1) then the response to the service lookup can sometimes resolve to your own machine instead of the server you wanted resulting in either an instant connection refusal, or a lengthy timeout if there are firewalls in place. In short, check that 127.0.0.1 - localhost and real ip - hostname mappings resolve correctly in both directions on all machines taking part. On the other hand, if its not an RMI problem then I've got no idea ;-) Mike - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] apt for suse 10.1
Hi, On Wed, 26 Oct 2005, MJang wrote: On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 07:12 -0700, MJang wrote: On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 12:48 +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2005, Chema Ollés wrote: Hi all: I check this page - http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/freshrpms/index.html and for suse 10.1 x86_32 I see a lot of files like this: FA_clxclient-debuginfo-1.0.2-4.x86_64.rpm Just wondering, Fedora users seem to have problems when running apt-rpm on multi-architecture repositories. I've been told that multi-architecture is necessary for 64-bit systems for compat libraries for some apps. Is SUSE having more success in this area? Just a little more info, per http://lwn.net/Articles/128952/ , for the reasons cited, Lineox (RHEL 4 rebuild distro) uses apt, but not for their x86_64 edition. this is because apt does not work well with systems that contain a mix of 32-bit and 64-bit applications and libraries If SUSE developers have solved this problem, great! Not fully... The x88_64 repositories contain all the ix86 packages too. I can't do a qualified selection at the server side, so it is up to the user's side to deselect ix86 packages where not necessary... Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] what happens to BZ bugs?
Janne Karhunen wrote: working version. Getting a few bugfixes in possibly does. nobody oblige you to update :-) my server still keep 9.0 and my desktop 10.0 jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SOLVED! Kernel Panic - SUSE won't install
im having the same problem, i have a new board, with ati Radeon 128mb, and a ati wonder tv card, and 512mb ram, i can't install linux, i get same error. 2005/10/23, Kenneth Aar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Kenneth Aar wrote: I tried diagnostic mode with a live CD and it too hangs after giving this error message: Kernel Panic : Fatal exception in interrupt In interrupt handler not syncing I found the culprit. A bad RAM chip wouldn't play along. It has been removed and dumped. -- Regards Kenneth Aar - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] installation source hassle
Hi, IMHO we've taken several steps backwards on software installation front with SUSE 10. This is simply because we lack single complete installation sources as was the case with previous versions. Even parsing together a list of slowly-responding partial sources will result in a much smaller package repository than the previous ones were. Current trees lack even basic OSS stuff like 'smartmontools' and i really couldn't care less browsing around internet looking for sources that work reliably, fast and stay up to date. Heck, to have this I would gladly PAY for such service. Yep, i've got the boxed set medium all right, but network install is just much more convenient. -- // Janne - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Problem with custom xorg.conf
Am Mittwoch 26 Oktober 2005 17:36 schrieb Daniel Bertolo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am Montag 24 Oktober 2005 19:42 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: first, reinstall the nvidia driver via YaST. If that didn't help try one of the following files: http://das.netz00.de/mist/xorg.conf.crt http://das.netz00.de/mist/xorg.conf.crtcrt http://das.netz00.de/mist/xorg.conf.crttv http://das.netz00.de/mist/xorg.conf.twincrt http://das.netz00.de/mist/xorg.conf.twintv Thanks for your files. But they did not solve my problem. What I want is what your xorg.conf.crttv delivers. If I have 2 device sections, the X server only starts if at most one of the sections contains: Hi Daniel, BusID PCI:1:0:0 Hmm, I had to put it in both stanzas of Section Device to make it work. This was a GeForce FX 5700VE. I used the nvidia driver downloaded from nvidia and compiled myself. But then, the second screen does not work. But no errors appear in Xorg.0.log but this: (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device (WW) NV: More than one matching Device section found: Device[1] (--) Chipset GeForce FX 5600 found Are you sure, it is PCI:1:0:0 on your system? Look at the output of lspci. As soon as both device sections contain the BusID entry. I get this error: Error: Entity already in use. Try to leave out PCI == BusID 1:0:0 I discovered that the framebuffer works this time. Before my problem appeared the situation was like this: Try disableing the VESA-framebuffer: vi /boot/grub/menu.lst and change vga= to vga=normal. ... looked before. Looks like a clone from LCD, but showing only a small part of it (zoomed) and completely distorted. I just see that something moves as I move a window on the LCD. Wrong timing. Are you sure your TVOut is really COMPOSITE? Maybe SVIDEO Any idea? If I have to choose between the framebuffer and the second screen, I prefer the latter. - disable the VESA-Framebuffer - play around with BusID - play around with Option TVOutFormat COMPOSITE Option TVStandard PAL-B - try the twinview feature (but be aware that your screen with the smaller resolution will scroll) -- mdc - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Help with tablet and suse10
I have a Toshiba Tecra M4. I have looked at and played with many of the different config options for tablet pcs in Sax2 and still cant seem to get it to work. If anyone has any experience with this and could offer some assistance that would be greatly appreciated. I am a long time Redhat user who switched to Suse because of there excellent support for hardware right out of the box. However I just can't seem to get the tablet working. Thanks in advance. Johnathan Falk Johnathan Falk, ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Student Intern, Internet2 3025 Boardwalk, Suite 100 Ann Arbor, Michigan 48108
[opensuse] Where is postgresql?
I can't seem to find the correct YAST repository for PostgreSQL. Can anyone give me a pointer? Thx, Ken -- Ken Leyba I think you're the opposite of a paranoid. I think you go around with the insane delusion that people like you.-Harry Block, Deconstructing Harry - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Help with tablet and suse10
On Wednesday 26 October 2005 21:40, Johnathan Falk wrote: I have a Toshiba Tecra M4. I have looked at and played with many of the different config options for tablet pcs in Sax2 and still cant seem to get it to work. If anyone has any experience with this and could offer some assistance that would be greatly appreciated. I am a long time Redhat user who switched to Suse because of there excellent support for hardware right out of the box. However I just can't seem to get the tablet working. Thanks in advance. The Tablet section in SAX2 is not for Tablets in Tablet PCs. But I work on better support for 10.1. Btw. Open your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add this: # Section InputDevice Driverwacom Identifiercursor OptionDevice/dev/ttyS0 # SERIAL ONLY OptionType cursor OptionForceDevice ISDV4 # Tablet PC ONLY EndSection Section InputDevice Driverwacom Identifierstylus OptionDevice/dev/ttyS0 # SERIAL ONLY OptionType stylus OptionForceDevice ISDV4 # Tablet PC ONLY EndSection Section InputDevice Driverwacom Identifiereraser OptionDevice/dev/ttyS0 # SERIAL ONLY OptionType eraser OptionForceDevice ISDV4 # Tablet PC ONLY EndSection # And add this lines to 'Section ServerLayout': InputDevice cursor SendCoreEvents InputDevice stylus SendCoreEvents InputDevice eraser SendCoreEvents At least add this line to /etc/init.d/setserial run_setserial /dev/ttyS0 port 0x0338 irq 4 autoconfig You need if not allready installed this packages: x11-input-wacom.rpm and x11-input-wacom-tools.rpm Cheers, Danny -- Danny Kukawka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile Devices SUSE LINUX a Novell Business Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg, Germany - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Where is postgresql?
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005, Ken Leyba wrote: I can't seem to find the correct YAST repository for PostgreSQL. Can anyone give me a pointer? - http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse/2005-Sep/0775.html - http://www.opensuse.org/Released_Version - http://www.opensuse.org/Package_Repositories Regards Christoph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Which is the driver for smartlink ? and others ..
I have found several files that it seens to have the same porpoise, i need to install both ?? The files ares this ones: km_smartlink-softmodem-2.9.10-17.i586.rpm smartlink-softmodem-2.9.10-17.i586.rpm km_fritzcapi-2.6-40.i586.rpm avmfritzcapi-2.6-40.i586.rpm What about this one: avm_fcdsl-2.6-35.i586.rpm Is for a personalized 1 CD install so the space is important. -- Marcel Mourguiart
[opensuse] Open-Xchange Package Suse 10.0
Does anyone know if there is a how-to or some documentation available for the open-xchange package that is available in Suse 10.0? I tried to use the how-to for 9.3 on the open-xchange wiki, but it looks like the package has done a lot of the things mentioned there already (and some of them differently). If not, has anyone setup open-xchange using the package that's available? Any tips to get me headed in the right direction would be great. Thanks, Daniel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: smart woes
On 27/10/05 01:04 +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote: smart also works with dpkg on Debian distros I know - my sceptical debian loving colleague nearly choked on his cornflakes when I showed him the comparisons to apt in the README and had to admit that it was promising! ;-) Hmm... waiting for network reply packets ? The TCP timeout is configurable: smart config --set socket-timeout=30 (in seconds) Entirely possible - since ftp.gwdg.de is under a load at the minute. Try to add mirror sites: smart mirror --add http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt smart mirror --add http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt ftp://ftp4.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt smart mirror --add http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt \ http://mirrors.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de/pub/linux/suse/apt hmmm.. How long does a typical sync take? It's not about synching, as ftp.gwdg.de is the master for generating the apt repository metadata (actually ftp4.gwdg.de is, but synching from there to ftp.gwdg.de should be quite in time). This had worked. But why is a request for this file still generating a 404 error but it's clearly available elsewhere Finally, I've been following the discussions on smart's performance with interest, especially as it is killer slow on my home machine which is a cobbled together 800MHz piece of crap from work - in time, I'll try and tune How much memory do you have in that box ? About 512MB - not the best but ought to be enough. Does slow to a halt though if it's busy elsewhere. On my work computer with a gig of ram and 1100MHz processor the speed's not too impressive though. Praps I'll try a comparison with apt to give you a better idea of the performance. it according to the advice available. The docs are short though! I'd be happy smart config --set disk-cache=no If you want to revert back to the original behaviour (which is to use the memory cache): smart config --remove disk-cache Useful. This sort of thing ought to be documented earliest especially as if smart becomes 'compulsory'. But there's the FAQ and the README as well. Yep. The former certainly could do with some embellishment, the README is far more helpful. cheers Thanks for your help - problem with the upgrade solved. Regards Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] SaX questions
Hi! Is there a legal way to alter the configuration files which are produced by sax? At the moment I am interested in changing default font directories, and the only place I have found is /usr/share/sax/api/data/StaticFontPathList, however I find myself a bit reluctant to edit it, as it's supposed to be rpm-controlled and not edited by hands. BTW, I have noticed that sax doesn't recognizes my mouse correctly. I have a synaptics touchpad built-in in the notebook and an external wireless logitech, while sax detects 3 mouses, of which 2 are detected incorrectly and without manual intervention I couldn't get a working wheel. -- Best regards, Alexander. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] gcc 3.2
Anders Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [25 Oct 2005 11:03:11 +0200]: Like I said, there are patches floating around to make qemu work with gcc4, but they're not used in the 10.0 package And as far as I heard, the main problem that gcc4 can't cope with yet less registers on i386 still isn't solved. Philipp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Firefox profile not working on a vfat partition. Permissions I think.
Great News. Thanks for the help. I did add a comment about this to bugzilla @ the Mozilla website (bug # 309645) which seemed like the same exact problem I was having, but I did not get any response from Mozilla. Please let me know if I should do anything about this (if you know). Mike Elkevizth - Original Message - From: Wolfgang Rosenauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 1:30 am Subject: Re: [opensuse] Firefox profile not working on a vfat partition. Permissions I think. Hi, On 2005-10-21 at 10:43:51 -0400, Michael A. Elkevizth wrote (shortened): Ok, sorry it took me so long to reply to this, I have been too busy to get to try this. I downloaded and ran Firefox 1.5b2 right from www.mozilla.org . The same error occurs if I try to use a profile from a vfat partition (like I said in an earlier post, the error wording is slightly different in 1.5, but I think it is the exact same error). I tried moving the profile to the /boot partition just to test it, and it works fine from there. I also tried as root and a normal user (both with full access to the partition), so the problem is either with the way Firefox is creating the lock, or the way 10.0 is allowing access. I have been running 1.5b2 on WinXP Pro since it was released with no problems. Same basic setup, Windows partition is NTFS, profile is on a FAT32 partition. just to let you know. We fixed it and it will be made available at least with our upcoming Firefox 1.5 package. I'm not sure if we will get an official update for this problem for 10.0. But when Firefox 1.5 will be finally released you can get it from ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/mozilla/ (release candidates will be available in the experimental subtree in addition but there is no package with the fix yet. If you'll see a change in the packages in experimental/firefox the fix will be in there) CU, Wolfgang -- SUSE LINUX GmbH -o) Tel: +49-(0)911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstr. 5 /\\ Fax: +49-(0)911-740 53 679 90409 Nuernberg, Germany _\_v simply change to www.suse.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Changes to Resetting root password in OSS10?
Kirk Coombs [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:38:05 -0600]: Sorry, SUSE Linux is more secure than that. Runlevel 1 does NOT give a root prompt without requiring a root password like other distros. So what? Just use 'init=/bin/bash' and you have a shell. Philipp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: www.betterdesktop.org
+1 On Sun, 2005-10-16 at 19:09 -0400, Alexander Antoniades wrote: The participation link still doesn't answer where decisions regarding the future of OpenSuse are made and how people can influence their outcome. I realize there are probably private mailing lists and such where overall decisions on feature sets are made and goals are set, and they don't need the needless pestering of people who aren't actively involved in the project, but some insight into this process would go a long way. From my perspective exploring Linux over the past couple of years it has been this last mile of communication that has been downfall of the community-based distribution model. I realize that if I download the latest development builds, hang out on IRC, monitor the development mailings lists and such I'll have some idea on where OpenSuse is headed with new releases, even if I'm still not sure what I can do to change it. But if I'm someone who's just using 10.0 everyday, who files bug reports and answers questions in forums, I really don't have any idea on potential big changes until they are more or less done. This IMHO is the challenge for distributions is to actually build a true community and not be so top down/insular as to exclude anyone who's not completely involved in development. This is why people change distributions so much, is because major changes like spatial nautilus just show up in a new build and there's not much the average user can do to keep it from happening or even know it's coming. Thanks, Sander On 10/16/05, Christoph Thiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 16 Oct 2005, Alexander Antoniades wrote: I do think that this is the problem with communication in many open source projects is that we think that signing up for a users mailing list will give us some insight and say in future releases, whereas it seems to be more of a first level support situation. Some of what this thread is talking about goes beyond offering patches and bug reports and more into the general direction of the project. For example please don't make OpenSuse yet-another-gtk-centric distribution isn't exactly a bug report/patch situation. How does someone who's not a developer or Novell employee get involved in the openness you discuss, and find out what's being planned for upcoming releases? There are many ways to get involved... I'd recommend you to read [1] first. Running the latests development version that's available on openSUSE.org would be another way to find out where the develment is happening. If you want to suggest new features or packages, the wishlists on the wiki would be the place to go... Regards Christoph [1] http://www.opensuse.org/How_to_participate - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Removing SUSE java?
Adam, On Wednesday 26 October 2005 09:10, Adam Schuett wrote: Randall R Schulz wrote: Adam, On Wednesday 26 October 2005 08:13, Adam Schuett wrote: I am encountering java issues that someone informed me was because I am using the SUSE java distribution, when I need to be using Sun's direct distribution. How might I go about removing the SUSE distribution, and what residual files will I need to watch for after the fact so that it does not cause problems after installing Sun's package? ... Could you elaborate a bit? The problems go very deep, and I was not the author of the code. The basic problem is from communication via DSL lines using VPN, and then accessing the java program on a remote server and the java program then uses an RMI server on an AS400. We tried several things, and since the author refused to admit it was a coding issue (what's so hard about admitting our code could pack a flaw?), someone had tried this on their 9.3 machine and it worked with no more issues. Well, that's not much to go on, but nothing in it suggests that running the Sun JVM as packaged by Sun will differ from running that JVM as packaged and delivered with SuSE Linux. Now, if you haven't installed the Sun (via SuSE) packages and are instead using gcj and / or gij, then you should not expect a very high degree of compatibility. Are you sure your SuSE installation is using their (SuSE / Novell's) Sun JVM and not the GCJ one? Adam Randall Schulz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Updating with YaST2
Question time! I've got a question for you SuSE guys or somebody else that might know. Why is it that each time you go into the Update System module of yast2 that it wants to reinstall the kernel? If you are not aware of that and running a newer kernel, you'll always get the original 10 kernel installed. Is that fixed in 10.1 and/or will there be a fix for YOU sometime in the very near future? Of course, you could set them to be locked and not upgradable, but then what happens when YOU gets an update? Just seems to me that it should be fixed as part of yast2? regards, Lee -- --- KMail v1.8.3 --- SuSE Linux Pro v10.0 --- Registered Linux User #225206 Living on Earth is expensive, but it does include a free trip around the sun every year. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Removing SUSE java?
On Wednesday 26 October 2005 11:10, Adam Schuett wrote: Randall R Schulz wrote: Adam, On Wednesday 26 October 2005 08:13, Adam Schuett wrote: I am encountering java issues that someone informed me was because I am using the SUSE java distribution, when I need to be using Sun's direct distribution. How might I go about removing the SUSE distribution, and what residual files will I need to watch for after the fact so that it does not cause problems after installing Sun's package? I, and perhaps others, would appreciate hearing what kinds of problems you're having and why you think they're related to SuSE's packaging of Sun's Java software. Could you elaborate a bit? The problems go very deep, and I was not the author of the code. The basic problem is from communication via DSL lines using VPN, and then accessing the java program on a remote server and the java program then uses an RMI server on an AS400. We tried several things, and since the author refused to admit it was a coding issue (what's so hard about admitting our code could pack a flaw?), someone had tried this on their 9.3 machine and it worked with no more issues. The reason the author (me) won't admit it's a coding issue is that these are stable programs that have had little or no changes in a year or more, while our network has undergone a number of significant changes in recent months (e.g. a remote location switching from T1 to DSL and VPN, network usage tracking hardware, servers moved to DMZ, etc.). In addition, the problems being seen are of an intermittent nature and there is no repro case for them. The symptoms include: a) program loads failing due to ClassNotFoundException when we know that the class files are present on the file server b) connection dropped unexpectedly messages from JDBC drivers against both Postgres and AS/400 databases What you mean about 9.3, I'm not sure... are you saying that someone replaced SUSE's 1.5.0_03 with a download from Sun and the problems magically went away? If that's what you're saying, how much stress testing did you do (bearing in mind the fact that the problem is not reproducible)? One of the first things I tried this summer when we were having what turned out to be NFS problems was to replace the SUSE JVM with the more recent 1.5.0_05, downloaded from Sun. It didn't make a difference, so I backed it out after running it for several days on four machines. It seems to me that the answers you are getting here, Adam, are the same ones I gave you at the office. -- == Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) == Greater coherence cannot be achieved. Not even the Netherlanders have managed this. -Anton Webern == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Updating with YaST2
BandiPat wrote: Question time! I've got a question for you SuSE guys or somebody else that might know. Why is it that each time you go into the Update System module of yast2 that it wants to reinstall the kernel? If you are not aware of that and running a newer kernel, you'll always get the original 10 kernel installed. Is that fixed in 10.1 and/or will there be a fix for YOU sometime in the very near future? Of course, you could set them to be locked and not upgradable, but then what happens when YOU gets an update? Just seems to me that it should be fixed as part of yast2? regards, Lee It almost sounds like the program names may not be clear enough for what they do. This is how I'm reading your post, and my response to that would be: System Update and YOU (Yast Online Update) are two different things. YOU is the program to run if you're looking to update the packages on your system with the latest versions available from SuSE. If that's not what you meant, please post again so we're answering the question being asked properly. -Alain. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
