Re: [opensuse] Source code for cloop used in suse 10.1 - where it at?
Hi, ted leslie schrieb: > anyone know where source code is for cloop kernel module used in suse 10.1 ? http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1/inst-source/suse/src/cloop-2.01-22.src.rpm Andreas Hanke - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 10:09:24PM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote: I insisted only >> nor did I insist Did you insist or did you not insist. You know what? You are right and I have my peace. So whatever. houghi -- This openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. All discussion about the community is welcome.If you have a techical question just subscribe via this email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED], post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Monday 05 June 2006 21:43, houghi wrote: > On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 09:18:51PM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote: > > Why am I the bad guy here? > > Because of your wording. > > > Because I forced those who consider > > themselves the police of this list to actually say what is and is > > not on-topic for this list and to use words as they're actually > > defined in English? > > That is so tragic, it is almost funny. At this moment what is on > topic has not changed. What is on-topic is still very clear to > everybody else, exept apparently you. Do you already understand what > a 'community' is? I certainly do. A community is _people_ not _projects_. You are _not_ discussing _the community_, you're discussing _the work_. No matter how many times you repeat it, you're not going to change English to suit your misunderstanding. And I am not trying to change anything. I don't care how the list is defined, but saying it's about "the community" makes as much sense as saying it's about cheese. > > I did _not_ come to this with any preconceptions nor did I insist > > one way or another. > > Yes, you did. Going on and on and on and on is what I would call > 'insisting'. You don't know what's in my mind. I insisted only until I got an answer, and it did not come from you. You're still insisting on the non-answer. > > I did not care what the answer was. > > Yes, you did. Otherwise you would not be not happy with the answer. You still don't know what is or is not in my mind and what makes me happy or unhappy. Whatever you all want this list to be is fine with me. It's not my place to dictate what it is. I have never been confused about that. But if you won't make a clear statement of what that purpose is, you can very well expect inappropriate posts. And that's what you have. And that's why you have it. You make a statement like "it's about the community" and since no one can make any sense out of that (in this context), they post the questions they have. > > I was only trying > > to get a clear statement, and it was like pulling teeth to do so. > > You got a statement and you did not like it. That was the reason you > kept on going. Seems pretty insisting. Even when you told that one > person gave you a satisfying answer, you kept bugging about others > not giving the answer you wanted to hear. That is what you have insisted from the start, but repeating a non-answer and expecting me to consider it an answer is what you were and are still doing. I was satisfied with Graham's answer, since it was explicit, meaningful and couched in language and used words that were all completely consistent. And I said as much, more than once. I could not and cannot acknowledge the same for you because you persist with the nonsense non-answer. > > Don't worry. I'll not be asking any questions in your private > > playground, > > You already have. The first 7 words of your posting were a question. There. You're simply being perverse. I take it from this that you just want to argue. I guess you must know you're wrong but cannot admit it. > > whatever you decide to call it and whatever misuse of > > English you decide to use in describing it. > > This is exactly the wording why you are 'the bad guy'. With the above > you asume that no good wording will be found. Such an assumtion is > degrading. As you have better understanding of the use of English > words, or so you seem to claim, that is something you should have > noticed. I can't tell if you're deliberately twisting my words or just don't understand what I wrote. Perhaps you can contemplate it from the perspective that possibly it's another joke you're not getting. > houghi RRS - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 09:18:51PM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote: > Why am I the bad guy here? Because of your wording. > Because I forced those who consider > themselves the police of this list to actually say what is and is not > on-topic for this list and to use words as they're actually defined in > English? That is so tragic, it is almost funny. At this moment what is on topic has not changed. What is on-topic is still very clear to everybody else, exept apparently you. Do you already understand what a 'community' is? > I did _not_ come to this with any preconceptions nor did I insist one > way or another. Yes, you did. Going on and on and on and on is what I would call 'insisting'. > I did not care what the answer was. Yes, you did. Otherwise you would not be not happy with the answer. > I was only trying > to get a clear statement, and it was like pulling teeth to do so. You got a statement and you did not like it. That was the reason you kept on going. Seems pretty insiting. Even when you told that one person gave you a satisfying answer, you kept bugging about others not giving the answer you wanted to hear. > Don't worry. I'll not be asking any questions in your private > playground, You already have. The first 7 words of your posting were a question. > whatever you decide to call it and whatever misuse of > English you decide to use in describing it. This is exactly the wording why you are 'the bad guy'. With the above you asume that no good wording will be found. Such an assumtion is degrading. As you have better understanding of the use of English words, or so you seem to claim, that is something you should have noticed. houghi -- This openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. All discussion about the community is welcome.If you have a techical question just subscribe via this email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED], post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Source code for cloop used in suse 10.1 - where it at?
anyone know where source code is for cloop kernel module used in suse 10.1 ? -tl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Monday 05 June 2006 15:33, Martin Schlander wrote: > ... > > And then kill [EMAIL PROTECTED] There shouldn't be a plain opensuse@ - too > confusing for people to figure out which aspects of opensuse belong > on there - a lot of people like Randall will expect opensuse@ to > cover every and any aspect of openSUSE as well as SUSE Linux. Why am I the bad guy here? Because I forced those who consider themselves the police of this list to actually say what is and is not on-topic for this list and to use words as they're actually defined in English? I did _not_ come to this with any preconceptions nor did I insist one way or another. I did not care what the answer was. I was only trying to get a clear statement, and it was like pulling teeth to do so. Don't worry. I'll not be asking any questions in your private playground, whatever you decide to call it and whatever misuse of English you decide to use in describing it. > Martin Randall Schulz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
* Patrick Shanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06-05-06 16:43]: > * Pascal Bleser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06-05-06 16:35]: > > Here's how to do it with smart: > > > > smart mirror --add http://software.opensuse.org/download \ > > http://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories > > > > (that's a one-liner) > > One liners are good. Will try after present update completes (if). smart --gui still times out, but smart update then smart upgrade completed. tks, -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
houghi wrote: On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 06:51:41PM -0500, Rajko M wrote: Keep it for people that can't decide where to go. Please. This with a good reply at subscription. It will eiter become a playground, will grow into something great or whatever. Reply is not really necessity, as most of people come from opensuse.org, and there can be set all what one reply can contain and much more. I'll see that page again. Newbies will come in general discussion and than get initial help and directions to better places for particular topic. It would be like in alt.os.linux.suse you ask the question and some come up with advice and/or directions where to go from there. A lot of forums on opensuse.org.suse-linux.support.* helped for some confusion where to post the problem. Or get pointed to the correct place by a bot or whatever will be decided upon. It would be to much for the bot to understand written language and decide whether posting is appropriate or not :-) It was long time ago, but I still remember first Linux installation. I had no clue where to go, what to ask. I did not even had a clue what to fill out as login. I mean I new the password, but I had no idea what the login was. No user was added at that moment. So no other way then to get back to Windows and ask. houghi The same here :-) I think S.u.S.E. had in /etc/motd message what to do at login, or it was during installation explained what to do ?! It was really long time ago :-D -- Regards, Rajko. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED] => opensuse-help gets my vote
Martin Schlander wrote: > Henne's proposal is > good - but we should learn from our mistakes and enhance it a little bit. > > opensuse-users@ -> opensuse-help > > opensuse@ -> opensuse-project > > Who's gonna misunderstand that? This is the best suggestion so far. To get rid of of all confusion we must kill opensuse. - And by that I mean the list, and not the other thingy. ;-) Henne: I hope you are reading and agree to this. I don't think it's such a good idea to first change it to opensuse-technical and then discuss it again, a better soulution has presented itself (IMO)... So we owe it to ourselves to do it right when we set this plan in motion. -- Regards Kenneth Aar - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Marcus Rueckert wrote: On 2006-06-05 18:46:33 -0500, Rajko M wrote: It doesn't sound obvious to me, Henne. The opensuse-users tells me that it is place for users, but nothing specific what to expect there, place for chat or help and support, or both. It will be used just as it is "opesuse" now, for both. Few others are lesser vague: opensuse-help -support -installation -configuration The fact that users with problems are coming to opensuse tells: - the clear named place for help around opensuse.org product (opensuse-help) is missing - "opensuse" is considered as general discussion list and used as replacement. dont split it too much ... users shouldnt be forced to change the mailinglist just because the finally got the system installed and now have a configuration question. darix It was just list of words that will make lesser confusion, and in the mean time I backed up proposal by Martin Schlander, Move function of - to: opensuse-users@ -> opensuse-help opensuse@ -> opensuse-project with addition to keep bare "opensuse" for newbies, as it seems they like it :-) -- Regards, Rajko. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 06:51:41PM -0500, Rajko M wrote: > Keep it for people that can't decide where to go. Please. This with a good reply at subscription. It will eiter become a playground, will grow into something great or whatever. > Newbies will come in general discussion and than get initial help and > directions to better places for particular topic. Or get pointed to the correct place by a bot or whatever will be decided upon. > It was long time ago, but I still remember first Linux installation. I > had no clue where to go, what to ask. I did not even had a clue what to fill out as login. I mean I new the password, but I had no idea what the login was. No user was added at that moment. So no other way then to get back to Windows and ask. houghi -- This openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. All discussion about the community is welcome.If you have a techical question just subscribe via this email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED], post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 2006-06-05 18:46:33 -0500, Rajko M wrote: > It doesn't sound obvious to me, Henne. > The opensuse-users tells me that it is place for users, but nothing > specific what to expect there, place for chat or help and support, or > both. It will be used just as it is "opesuse" now, for both. > > Few others are lesser vague: > opensuse-help > -support > -installation > -configuration > > The fact that users with problems are coming to opensuse tells: > - the clear named place for help around opensuse.org product > (opensuse-help) is missing > - "opensuse" is considered as general discussion list and used as > replacement. > dont split it too much ... users shouldnt be forced to change the mailinglist just because the finally got the system installed and now have a configuration question. darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: In any way, we have to go the "intuitive" way, from the eyes of the first-time user. Because you can't "educate" someone you have never seen, spoken or touched. So I think "opensuse" (the bare name) must get made ready to process postings like "it does not work - what to do". Cheers -e It seems so. It is hard to swim against the stream :-) -- Regards, Rajko. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi, On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Rajko M wrote: Carl Hartung wrote: On Monday 05 June 2006 18:54, houghi wrote: And then kill [EMAIL PROTECTED] There shouldn't be a plain opensuse@ - too confusing for people to figure out which aspects of opensuse belong on there - a lot of people like Leave it as a honey trap. :-) People still unwilling or unable to understand can use it as their playground. A bit like these castles you have outside hamburger places. (Also for the same purpose. :-) Maybe you could keep it but dump the mail to /dev/null after auto-responding with a directory of current SUSE lists, relevant subscription information and links pointing to the archives? Keep it for people that can't decide where to go. Newbies will come in general discussion and than get initial help and directions to better places for particular topic. It was long time ago, but I still remember first Linux installation. I had no clue where to go, what to ask. In any way, we have to go the "intuitive" way, from the eyes of the first-time user. Because you can't "educate" someone you have never seen, spoken or touched. So I think "opensuse" (the bare name) must get made ready to process postings like "it does not work - what to do". Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Martin Schlander wrote: Tirsdag 06 juni 2006 00:54 skrev houghi: Great ideas. Well, actually it was Adrian's and Siegberts idea's respectively. Don't wanna take credit. Martin / cb400f Martin, whoever was it, is simple and it will be seldom problem. I support this. -- Regards, Rajko. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Carl Hartung wrote: On Monday 05 June 2006 18:54, houghi wrote: And then kill [EMAIL PROTECTED] There shouldn't be a plain opensuse@ - too confusing for people to figure out which aspects of opensuse belong on there - a lot of people like Leave it as a honey trap. :-) People still unwilling or unable to understand can use it as their playground. A bit like these castles you have outside hamburger places. (Also for the same purpose. :-) Maybe you could keep it but dump the mail to /dev/null after auto-responding with a directory of current SUSE lists, relevant subscription information and links pointing to the archives? Carl Keep it for people that can't decide where to go. Newbies will come in general discussion and than get initial help and directions to better places for particular topic. It was long time ago, but I still remember first Linux installation. I had no clue where to go, what to ask. -- Regards, Rajko. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Henne Vogelsang wrote: If anything I would say that if there is opensuse-users and opensuse, I would have no idea where to ask community questions and where to ask technical ones. I find it pretty obvious. Henne It doesn't sound obvious to me, Henne. The opensuse-users tells me that it is place for users, but nothing specific what to expect there, place for chat or help and support, or both. It will be used just as it is "opesuse" now, for both. Few others are lesser vague: opensuse-help -support -installation -configuration The fact that users with problems are coming to opensuse tells: - the clear named place for help around opensuse.org product (opensuse-help) is missing - "opensuse" is considered as general discussion list and used as replacement. -- Regards, Rajko. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Monday 05 June 2006 18:54, houghi wrote: > > And then kill [EMAIL PROTECTED] There shouldn't be a plain opensuse@ - too > > confusing for people to figure out which aspects of opensuse belong on > > there - a lot of people like > > Leave it as a honey trap. :-) People still unwilling or unable to > understand can use it as their playground. A bit like these castles you > have outside hamburger places. (Also for the same purpose. :-) Maybe you could keep it but dump the mail to /dev/null after auto-responding with a directory of current SUSE lists, relevant subscription information and links pointing to the archives? Carl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tirsdag 06 juni 2006 00:54 skrev houghi: > Great ideas. Well, actually it was Adrian's and Siegberts idea's respectively. Don't wanna take credit. Martin / cb400f - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 12:33:15AM +0200, Martin Schlander wrote: > opensuse-users@ -> opensuse-help > > opensuse@ -> opensuse-project > > Who's gonna misunderstand that? Great ideas. > And then kill [EMAIL PROTECTED] There shouldn't be a plain opensuse@ - too > confusing > for people to figure out which aspects of opensuse belong on there - a lot of > people like Leave it as a honey trap. :-) People still unwilling or unable to understand can use it as their playground. A bit like these castles you have outside hamburger places. (Also for the same purpose. :-) houghi -- This openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. All discussion about the community is welcome.If you have a techical question just subscribe via this email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED], post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mandag 05 juni 2006 18:19 skrev Henne Vogelsang: > > If anything I would say that if there is opensuse-users and opensuse, > > I would have no idea where to ask community questions and where to ask > > technical ones. > > I find it pretty obvious. I'm personally in favour of keeping things as they are and educate and redirect people who don't know the difference between openSUSE and SUSE Linux - but that's not surprising as I'm a stubborn bastard. But, if we're going to change things I agree with houghi, Henne's proposal is good - but we should learn from our mistakes and enhance it a little bit. opensuse-users@ -> opensuse-help opensuse@ -> opensuse-project Who's gonna misunderstand that? And then kill [EMAIL PROTECTED] There shouldn't be a plain opensuse@ - too confusing for people to figure out which aspects of opensuse belong on there - a lot of people like Randall will expect opensuse@ to cover every and any aspect of openSUSE as well as SUSE Linux. Martin / cb400f - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Help on Search CGI
On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 07:34:35AM +1000, Peter Flodin wrote: > On 6/5/06, Henne Vogelsang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Hi, > > > >for the new mailinglist server im implementing a search. > > Does the new mailinglist server have the capability to do a regular > email to the list, that states the lists purpose where to get > technical help, etc. > > Regular list dwellers can filter it out, other's can read it and > hopefully learn. > > Just an idea Such a thing could easily be done by a cron job. However if done by the list itself, it would be a good idea. The question is how often to post. A 15 or 20 minute interval. ;-) (It is a cynical joke, laugh) houghi -- This openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. All discussion about the community is welcome.If you have a techical question just subscribe via this email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED], post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Help on Search CGI
On 6/5/06, Henne Vogelsang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, for the new mailinglist server im implementing a search. Does the new mailinglist server have the capability to do a regular email to the list, that states the lists purpose where to get technical help, etc. Regular list dwellers can filter it out, other's can read it and hopefully learn. Just an idea Peter 'Pflodo' Flodin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
* Pascal Bleser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06-05-06 16:35]: > You're not actually blaming smart for timeouts on the > software.opensuse.org HTTP server, are you ? ;) No, frustration with the update system . > As Eberhard mentioned, you can use ftp-1.gwdg.de as a mirror. Added his suggestions manually. > Here's how to do it with smart: > > smart mirror --add http://software.opensuse.org/download \ > http://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories > > (that's a one-liner) One liners are good. Will try after present update completes (if). tks, -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
* Eberhard Moenkeberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06-05-06 16:01]: > You can try > > http://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/KDE:/... > Thanks, trying now -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Pascal Bleser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06-05-06 10:34]: >> Works perfectly for me (and I haven't heard that complaint about it, at >> least not yet ;)). >> >> Have you tried using my smart RPMs [1] ? they come preconfigured with a >> lot of channels, including the main repository, -updates, -non-oss, >> guru, packman, ... (make sure to take the latest build, 0.41-26) >> >> [1] http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/suser-guru/rpm/packages/System/smart/ > > But, with 10.1_x64 (smart-0.41-26.guru.suse101.x86_64) : > > Failed to download packages: > http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/k3b-0.12.15-14.1.x86_64.rpm: > timed out ...more timeouts... You're not actually blaming smart for timeouts on the software.opensuse.org HTTP server, are you ? ;) As Eberhard mentioned, you can use ftp-1.gwdg.de as a mirror. Here's how to do it with smart: smart mirror --add http://software.opensuse.org/download \ http://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories (that's a one-liner) cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEhJWFr3NMWliFcXcRAqzZAJ9J8c+K8+gkt7I+hmGlgpkc61b6SQCfeSQF LPf2am8wwOghsbZAoqLi5Qc= =KZ2U -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
Hi, On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Pascal Bleser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06-05-06 10:34]: Works perfectly for me (and I haven't heard that complaint about it, at least not yet ;)). Have you tried using my smart RPMs [1] ? they come preconfigured with a lot of channels, including the main repository, -updates, -non-oss, guru, packman, ... (make sure to take the latest build, 0.41-26) [1] http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/suser-guru/rpm/packages/System/smart/ But, with 10.1_x64 (smart-0.41-26.guru.suse101.x86_64) : Failed to download packages: http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/k3b-0.12.15-14.1.x86_64.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/KDE3/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/kdebase3-3.5.3-3.4.x86_64.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/koffice-database-1.5.1-20.1.x86_64.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/koffice-1.5.1-20.1.x86_64.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/koffice-wordprocessing-1.5.1-20.1.x86_64.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/i586/amarok-helix-backend-1.4.0-24.1.i586.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/koffice-illustration-1.5.1-20.1.x86_64.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/koffice-spreadsheet-1.5.1-20.1.x86_64.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/koffice-presentation-1.5.1-20.1.x86_64.rpm: timed out You can try http://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/KDE:/... Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] stage.opensuse.org not working
Hi, On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Pascal Bleser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06-05-06 10:34]: Works perfectly for me (and I haven't heard that complaint about it, at least not yet ;)). Have you tried using my smart RPMs [1] ? they come preconfigured with a lot of channels, including the main repository, -updates, -non-oss, guru, packman, ... (make sure to take the latest build, 0.41-26) [1] http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/suser-guru/rpm/packages/System/smart/ But, with 10.1_x64 (smart-0.41-26.guru.suse101.x86_64) : Failed to download packages: http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/k3b-0.12.15-14.1.x86_64.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/KDE3/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/kdebase3-3.5.3-3.4.x86_64.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/koffice-database-1.5.1-20.1.x86_64.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/koffice-1.5.1-20.1.x86_64.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/koffice-wordprocessing-1.5.1-20.1.x86_64.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/i586/amarok-helix-backend-1.4.0-24.1.i586.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/koffice-illustration-1.5.1-20.1.x86_64.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/koffice-spreadsheet-1.5.1-20.1.x86_64.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/koffice-presentation-1.5.1-20.1.x86_64.rpm: timed out That is a matter of software.opensuse.org aka stage.opensuse.org. The server does not respond currently, it seems the http and rsync services are not running. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
* Pascal Bleser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06-05-06 10:34]: > Works perfectly for me (and I haven't heard that complaint about it, at > least not yet ;)). > > Have you tried using my smart RPMs [1] ? they come preconfigured with a > lot of channels, including the main repository, -updates, -non-oss, > guru, packman, ... (make sure to take the latest build, 0.41-26) > > [1] http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/suser-guru/rpm/packages/System/smart/ But, with 10.1_x64 (smart-0.41-26.guru.suse101.x86_64) : Failed to download packages: http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/k3b-0.12.15-14.1.x86_64.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/KDE3/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/kdebase3-3.5.3-3.4.x86_64.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/koffice-database-1.5.1-20.1.x86_64.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/koffice-1.5.1-20.1.x86_64.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/koffice-wordprocessing-1.5.1-20.1.x86_64.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/i586/amarok-helix-backend-1.4.0-24.1.i586.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/koffice-illustration-1.5.1-20.1.x86_64.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/koffice-spreadsheet-1.5.1-20.1.x86_64.rpm: timed out http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/koffice-presentation-1.5.1-20.1.x86_64.rpm: timed out -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 08:34:32PM +0200, Marcus Rueckert wrote: > On 2006-06-05 20:17:50 +0200, houghi wrote: > > Should not be too hard to do, but then I have not looked at it, so it > > could be unpossible. > > > > you are way too bored are you? > but go ahead write that tool. The moment I plan on using 10.1 AND am planning on using more then the deafult installer that comes with SUSE, I might. Till then I have absolutely no interest in it myself. That would mean perhaps in about two or three years, perhaps. Also I believe that other people have both better insight in the matter AND are better programmers then I am. That last part is not that hard. I am not a programmer, just a copy & paste "scripter". e.g. makeSUSEdvd is made completly of things and samples I stole from others. :-) And I use the term scripter very loosely. Thief would be a better term. :-D houghi -- This openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. All discussion about the community is welcome.If you have a techical question just subscribe via this email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED], post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
On 2006-06-05 20:17:50 +0200, houghi wrote: > What is the fun in that? ;-) > > Somebody just write a tool to do so. I believe all tools have a CLI > interface. So all you have to do is look wich ones are installed, look > what repo each has and if one has one and not another, add that. > > Then add that tool at the end of each 'add source' process of each tool. > > Should not be too hard to do, but then I have not looked at it, so it > could be unpossible. > you are way too bored are you? but go ahead write that tool. darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
On Monday 05 June 2006 20:36, Andreas Hanke wrote: > > OK, so all we're left with is the burden of syncronizing between > > these. Not quite as bad as i thought, but still. > > Why? For most tasks no reason really, but every now and then I find it easier for task Z to use tool Y. That, and history has thought me that relying on one tool will not necessarily get the job done (for various reasons). -- // Janne - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 07:35:31PM +0200, Marcus Rueckert wrote: > On 2006-06-05 20:33:12 +0300, Janne Karhunen wrote: > > On Monday 05 June 2006 20:26, Marcus Rueckert wrote: > > > as most sources should ship with rpm-md files you can happily add them > > > everywhere. If you use multiple tools concurrently, you need to add the > > > sources to each of them. > > > > OK, so all we're left with is the burden of syncronizing between > > these. Not quite as bad as i thought, but still. > > how about: decide for one of them? that would solve the problem. What is the fun in that? ;-) Somebody just write a tool to do so. I believe all tools have a CLI interface. So all you have to do is look wich ones are installed, look what repo each has and if one has one and not another, add that. Then add that tool at the end of each 'add source' process of each tool. Should not be too hard to do, but then I have not looked at it, so it could be unpossible. houghi -- This openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. All discussion about the community is welcome.If you have a techical question just subscribe via this email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED], post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Producing Open Source Software
Thomas Hertweck wrote: I am not sure whether this has been mentioned here before (could not find anything in the archive) - if so, I apologise for this repetition. There is a free book about OSS development: Producing Open Source Software How to Run a Successful Free Software Project by Karl Fogel http://www.producingoss.com/ It would be a great if everybody seriously involved in the openSUSE project could find some time to have a look at it. I think it's absolutely worth a look and really instructive. Maybe not the chapters related to the technical aspects but the chapters concerned with the social aspects of a project (e.g. "Managing Volunteers"). I begin to read this book, and I'm very pleased by it's content. very smart, well written, easy to read (even for a non-native english reader) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
Hi, Janne Karhunen schrieb: > OK, so all we're left with is the burden of syncronizing between > these. Not quite as bad as i thought, but still. Why? Just make a decision in favour of one of them and use that one exclusively. (This doesn't mean you can't switch in the future, you just have to adjust the configuration before switching.) Andreas Hanke - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
On 2006-06-05 20:33:12 +0300, Janne Karhunen wrote: > On Monday 05 June 2006 20:26, Marcus Rueckert wrote: > > as most sources should ship with rpm-md files you can happily add them > > everywhere. If you use multiple tools concurrently, you need to add the > > sources to each of them. > > OK, so all we're left with is the burden of syncronizing between > these. Not quite as bad as i thought, but still. how about: decide for one of them? that would solve the problem. darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Install of SUSE 10.1 fails
M.B. Peters wrote: BandiPat schreef: On Monday 05 June 2006 02:05, Giel Peters wrote: Hi, I have bougth SUSE Linux 10.1. When I try to install SUSE 10.1 it is not getting any further than the point to choose a (installation) language (the requester does not popup) The probing of the mouse works and the clock is spinning for about 45 seconds then the system freezes. Only a hard reset wil bring it back to live. I have two IDE harddrive's and two SATA harddrive's in the system (a K7N2 motherboard from MSI with a NVIDIA nForce 2 chipset) If i disconnect the SATA drives SUSE 10.1 installs without any problems. When I later connect the cables again SUSE 10.1 again freezes during the boot proces. I have reinstalled SUSE 9.3 (bougth version) SUSE 9.3 does not have this problem. somebody suggestions? regards, Giel Peters - Giel, There are a number of things that you might look at here. First of all, 10.1 is a bit more hardware savy than 9.3 was, so it may be looking at things 9.3 doesn't. Secondly, have you checked for a new BIOS file from MSI? That might fix some things as well. I'm running the nForce2 as well, but with a little less hard drives than you without problems under 10.1. I remember early on there were problems with Seagate SATA drives over 160GB, could that be affecting you? Have you tried disconnecting just one, rather than both? Are you trying to run RAID? Have you tried booting with ACPI turned off at the loader screen? Lots of things for you to check. You might also want to check the searchable mail archives for the SUSE english list for similar questions. Also, the suse-e mail list you hear many talking about here might have more answers for you, once you narrow down many of the above questions. regards, Lee - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the suggestions Lee, I updated my bios (7.4 to 7.8) but I'm sorry to say, no result. I have tried all the 4 different install modes ( "installation", "installation -- ACPI disabled", "installation -- local APIC disabled and "installation -- safe settings") All off them with the same result, the grafic installer screen pops up, the mouse is correctly probed (I can move him around), and by each install mode the same result, after about 45 seconds the system freezes, only a hard reset can bring it back to live. If I install with the SATA drives disconnected and later on connect the SATA drives again, SUSE 10.1 starts to the point where the firewall is activated, then the system freeses (always on the same point!) My harddrives are all from Maxtor (2 sata, each 120Gb, 2 IDE one of 28GB and one of 18GB) I bougth the system with only the 2 sata drives. In that time (2003) I could not install LINUX on sata so I bougth the two IDE drives so I could install LINUX ( SUSE ). I allways had to switch in the BIOS to choose between starting from IDE or SCSI. thanks again, I keep on looking, regards, Giel I had this problem with 9.3, on large drives (200-300gb) both IDE and SATA, would not boot to even install SuSE. To get around this issue I formated them to smaller sizes, in your case perhaps divide the 120 gb into two 60gb partitions, or whatever works for you. I do have a 100gb SATA partition working with 9.3. Not sure why this is the case, but this worked for me. I believe you will find more answers to your questions on the suse-linux-e@suse.com mailing list. Many more watch that list for these types of questions. Hope this helps. Jim F - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
On Monday 05 June 2006 20:26, Marcus Rueckert wrote: > the common repos format they all support is rpm-md. (dunno if the apt in > the distro is already recent enough. but richard has an up2date package > for sure) Thanks for clarifying, I didn't know this. > as most sources should ship with rpm-md files you can happily add them > everywhere. If you use multiple tools concurrently, you need to add the > sources to each of them. OK, so all we're left with is the burden of syncronizing between these. Not quite as bad as i thought, but still. -- // Janne - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
On 2006-06-05 20:15:10 +0300, Janne Karhunen wrote: > On Monday 05 June 2006 20:05, jdd wrote: > > > I guess respective repositories are mostly links to the > > rpm's and separate link to metadata - I don't see any reason > > to duplicate the rpm themselves > > Yep, but it's annoying to use half a dozen different tools to > get one single thing installed. Luckily, smart seems to be the > key here as it does operate as a superset tool allowing access > to almost any repository. In theory, that is. Importing > repositories from software.opensuse.org is currently giving > timeouts [smart fails silently without explaining btw]. Which > reminds me - where is the build service mirror list? *sigh* can we please stop spreading false informations? the common repos format they all support is rpm-md. (dunno if the apt in the distro is already recent enough. but richard has an up2date package for sure) yast2+libzypp | Yast2, rpm-md smart | Yast2, rpm-md y2pmsh| Yast2, rpm-md zmd+libzypp | Yast2, rpm-md yum | rpm-md apt | rpm-md, apt as most sources should ship with rpm-md files you can happily add them everywhere. If you use multiple tools concurrently, you need to add the sources to each of them. darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
On Monday 05 June 2006 20:05, jdd wrote: > I guess respective repositories are mostly links to the > rpm's and separate link to metadata - I don't see any reason > to duplicate the rpm themselves Yep, but it's annoying to use half a dozen different tools to get one single thing installed. Luckily, smart seems to be the key here as it does operate as a superset tool allowing access to almost any repository. In theory, that is. Importing repositories from software.opensuse.org is currently giving timeouts [smart fails silently without explaining btw]. Which reminds me - where is the build service mirror list? -- // Janne - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
Janne Karhunen wrote: On Monday 05 June 2006 19:14, jdd wrote: Well, we have at least yum, yast, apt, smart and god knows what else as repository types. These tools are completely unaware of each other why start with a wrong assertion? Umm, it's not wrong. If apt and yum know RPM, it does not make them know of each other. Thus, YUM is unable to pull stuff in from APT repository. so they are unaware of they respective repositories, not "completely" unaware of each other what I don't know is if the same repository can be used with just adding needed metadata. I guess respective repositories are mostly links to the rpm's and separate link to metadata - I don't see any reason to duplicate the rpm themselves jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 06:19:07PM +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote: > Nothing for now. Lets see what will happen once we have -users lists. > Then decide again... Look at the postings that are being done now and answerd now since hell broke loose. How many of them do you think are on topic? Exept for this thread, I don't see one. :-( > > If anything I would say that if there is opensuse-users and opensuse, > > I would have no idea where to ask community questions and where to ask > > technical ones. > > I find it pretty obvious. Me, personally, as well. Many people here unfortunatly don't. I find it also discouraging that since all hell broke loose, just one person actually posted an answer AND pointed to the correct group. All you others either just answerd or did nothing. For me this means that when the opensuse-users group is here, this group will already be overgrown with technical questions. This will mean that you have to find a solution afterwards to merge opensuse-users and opensuse. Why then do opensuse-users? I hope you are also aware that this will minimize the difference between SUSE Linux and openSUSE even more. People will start talking even more about openSUSE Linux. That in itself is not a bad thing and somehow still would be something I prefere. openSUSE as the past SUSE Linux. SUSE Linux as just in SLES and SLED. The boxed set would also become openSUSE. My personal opinion is that such a move would carify a LOT of things that are unclear now. houghi -- This openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. All discussion about the community is welcome.If you have a techical question just subscribe via this email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED], post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
On Monday 05 June 2006 19:14, jdd wrote: > > Well, we have at least yum, yast, apt, smart and god knows what > > else as repository types. These tools are completely unaware of > > each other > > why start with a wrong assertion? Umm, it's not wrong. If apt and yum know RPM, it does not make them know of each other. Thus, YUM is unable to pull stuff in from APT repository. -- // Janne - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi, On Monday, June 05, 2006 at 17:06:50, houghi wrote: > On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 02:28:18PM +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote: > > On Monday, June 05, 2006 at 13:12:27, Siegbert Baude wrote: > > > Adrian Schröter wrote: > > > > > > > IIRC henne wanted to make suse-linux-e also available under the > > > > opensuse > > > > domain. So we can always announce the new name and fade out the old > > > > one. > > > > Without the need to resubscribe anyone. > > > > > > Under which name? The plan for migrating seems to be a good idea, IMHO, > > > because suse-linux-e is not a name that speaks for itself. > > > > See my mail for the new ml layout > > > > http://lists4.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-02/msg00382.html > > > > suse-linux-e becomes opensuse-users > > suse-linux-s becomes opensuse-users-es > > suse-linux becomes opensuse-users-de > > > > I have some time now for the new mailinglist server and im already > > working on it since last weekend. > > This does not explain what will happen to opensuse itself. Nothing for now. Lets see what will happen once we have -users lists. Then decide again... > That is where the problem is. There is no problem except that suse-* is not hosted on opensuse.org and therefor not visible in the openSUSE "space".. > If anything I would say that if there is opensuse-users and opensuse, > I would have no idea where to ask community questions and where to ask > technical ones. I find it pretty obvious. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de "To die. In the rain. Alone." Ernest Hemingway - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
Janne Karhunen wrote: Well, we have at least yum, yast, apt, smart and god knows what else as repository types. These tools are completely unaware of each other why start with a wrong assertion? http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Package_Management&action=history you'll see that any package manager use simply the rpm database. they are different (not all) in metadata they use, but not on the result they give. of course this takes in account only the rpm tools... not the tgz, bin or deb ones jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Install of SUSE 10.1 fails
BandiPat schreef: On Monday 05 June 2006 02:05, Giel Peters wrote: Hi, I have bougth SUSE Linux 10.1. When I try to install SUSE 10.1 it is not getting any further than the point to choose a (installation) language (the requester does not popup) The probing of the mouse works and the clock is spinning for about 45 seconds then the system freezes. Only a hard reset wil bring it back to live. I have two IDE harddrive's and two SATA harddrive's in the system (a K7N2 motherboard from MSI with a NVIDIA nForce 2 chipset) If i disconnect the SATA drives SUSE 10.1 installs without any problems. When I later connect the cables again SUSE 10.1 again freezes during the boot proces. I have reinstalled SUSE 9.3 (bougth version) SUSE 9.3 does not have this problem. somebody suggestions? regards, Giel Peters - Giel, There are a number of things that you might look at here. First of all, 10.1 is a bit more hardware savy than 9.3 was, so it may be looking at things 9.3 doesn't. Secondly, have you checked for a new BIOS file from MSI? That might fix some things as well. I'm running the nForce2 as well, but with a little less hard drives than you without problems under 10.1. I remember early on there were problems with Seagate SATA drives over 160GB, could that be affecting you? Have you tried disconnecting just one, rather than both? Are you trying to run RAID? Have you tried booting with ACPI turned off at the loader screen? Lots of things for you to check. You might also want to check the searchable mail archives for the SUSE english list for similar questions. Also, the suse-e mail list you hear many talking about here might have more answers for you, once you narrow down many of the above questions. regards, Lee - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the suggestions Lee, I updated my bios (7.4 to 7.8) but I'm sorry to say, no result. I have tried all the 4 different install modes ( "installation", "installation -- ACPI disabled", "installation -- local APIC disabled and "installation -- safe settings") All off them with the same result, the grafic installer screen pops up, the mouse is correctly probed (I can move him around), and by each install mode the same result, after about 45 seconds the system freezes, only a hard reset can bring it back to live. If I install with the SATA drives disconnected and later on connect the SATA drives again, SUSE 10.1 starts to the point where the firewall is activated, then the system freeses (always on the same point!) My harddrives are all from Maxtor (2 sata, each 120Gb, 2 IDE one of 28GB and one of 18GB) I bougth the system with only the 2 sata drives. In that time (2003) I could not install LINUX on sata so I bougth the two IDE drives so I could install LINUX ( SUSE ). I allways had to switch in the BIOS to choose between starting from IDE or SCSI. thanks again, I keep on looking, regards, Giel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
houghi wrote: suse-linux-e becomes opensuse-users suse-linux-s becomes opensuse-users-es suse-linux becomes opensuse-users-de I have some time now for the new mailinglist server and im already working on it since last weekend. This does not explain what will happen to opensuse itself. That is where the problem is. If anything I would say that if there is opensuse-users and opensuse, I would have no idea where to ask community questions and where to ask technical ones. so, why not opensuse-technical and opensuse-community? this shouldn't hurt anybody? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
On Monday 05 June 2006 17:32, Pascal Bleser wrote: > > Umm, how is it that we're supposed to install packages to 10.1 systems? > > We now have several different tools (yum, yast, smart, apt) that see only > > subset of total packages available, and thus, are unable to satisfy > > dependencies for anything. Let alone bugs, but is this even conceptially > > figured out now? > > A subset ? huh ? Well, we have at least yum, yast, apt, smart and god knows what else as repository types. These tools are completely unaware of each other, and thus can't solve dependencies properly as each sees only a subset of the packages available. As a concrete example, I just tried to upgrade to KDE 3.5.3 using YUM, but this yielded dozens of missing dependencies (as these packages are to be served via yast). Is the idea now that SUSE is trying to create some kind of a magical superset tool that magically binds all these together and is able to resolve dependencies between different repository types? Or what's going on? That said, it won't be long now that somebody comes out with new 'cool looking' package management tool that once againt tries to solve a puzzle that can't really be solved without revising basics [of Linux].. > I'm able to install everything with smart. I had some outdated version installed that didn't really work. Trying the current version now, but then again - I don't think a tool you are serving on some corner of the web is supposed to be the way SUSE is going to address this? But hey, thanks for this. Lets give it a go once again. -- // Janne - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 02:28:18PM +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote: > Hi, > > On Monday, June 05, 2006 at 13:12:27, Siegbert Baude wrote: > > Adrian Schröter wrote: > > > > > IIRC henne wanted to make suse-linux-e also available under the opensuse > > > domain. So we can always announce the new name and fade out the old one. > > > Without the need to resubscribe anyone. > > > > Under which name? The plan for migrating seems to be a good idea, IMHO, > > because suse-linux-e is not a name that speaks for itself. > > See my mail for the new ml layout > > http://lists4.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-02/msg00382.html > > suse-linux-e becomes opensuse-users > suse-linux-s becomes opensuse-users-es > suse-linux becomes opensuse-users-de > > I have some time now for the new mailinglist server and im already > working on it since last weekend. This does not explain what will happen to opensuse itself. That is where the problem is. If anything I would say that if there is opensuse-users and opensuse, I would have no idea where to ask community questions and where to ask technical ones. houghi -- This openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. All discussion about the community is welcome.If you have a techical question just subscribe via this email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED], post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] mail archives features
I'm sorry not to be able to help in programming scripts for the mail archives, but I'm not a programmer :-( however I can see some needs. Can they be fulfilled, I let this to your appreciation, but as Henne is working right now on this it's the moment if any to ask :-) one of the main drawback of the mail archives is the lack of mean to answer a post. say you accidentally deleted an intersting post three days ago (it's no more in the trash can). You can see it in the archives, but how can you answer without opening a new thread? thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Janne Karhunen wrote: > Hi, Hi Janne > Umm, how is it that we're supposed to install packages to 10.1 systems? > We now have several different tools (yum, yast, smart, apt) that see only > subset of total packages available, and thus, are unable to satisfy > dependencies for anything. Let alone bugs, but is this even conceptially > figured out now? A subset ? huh ? I'm able to install everything with smart. > Installing stuff with command line RPM is a breeze compared to trying > to figure out how this hassle is now intended to work out :/ What are you not finding when using smart ? Works perfectly for me (and I haven't heard that complaint about it, at least not yet ;)). Have you tried using my smart RPMs [1] ? they come preconfigured with a lot of channels, including the main repository, -updates, -non-oss, guru, packman, ... (make sure to take the latest build, 0.41-26) [1] http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/suser-guru/rpm/packages/System/smart/ cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEhEB4r3NMWliFcXcRAvqjAJ9xg0smbRcKzRf4gN2iePWCF2LGRQCfQVSr PfyGI2PnUXJjm6yTJFy/QKI= =djKQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Help on Search CGI
Hi, for the new mailinglist server im implementing a search. For that i need the default search.cgi from swish-e hacked up. http://lists4.opensuse.org/search.cgi.txt I need the following feature (for now) * Variable search indexes anyone willing to do that? Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de "To die. In the rain. Alone." Ernest Hemingway - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Build Service builds and debugging symbols
Hi, Adrian Schröter schrieb: > but we removed the "-g" default meanwhile. Yes, just noticed (#180772). But I hope it's temporary? It would be a pity if the -debuginfo packages were permanently gone. :( Andreas Hanke - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Henne Vogelsang wrote: Hi, See my mail for the new ml layout http://lists4.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-02/msg00382.html suse-linux-e becomes opensuse-users suse-linux-s becomes opensuse-users-es suse-linux becomes opensuse-users-de I have some time now for the new mailinglist server and im already working on it since last weekend. this is great (so many things wehre said but not done :-) thanks a lot jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] software management, take 10+n
Hi, Umm, how is it that we're supposed to install packages to 10.1 systems? We now have several different tools (yum, yast, smart, apt) that see only subset of total packages available, and thus, are unable to satisfy dependencies for anything. Let alone bugs, but is this even conceptially figured out now? Installing stuff with command line RPM is a breeze compared to trying to figure out how this hassle is now intended to work out :/ -- // Janne - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Install of SUSE 10.1 fails
On Monday 05 June 2006 02:05, Giel Peters wrote: > Hi, > > I have bougth SUSE Linux 10.1. > When I try to install SUSE 10.1 it is not getting any further than > the point to choose a (installation) language (the requester does not > popup) The probing of the mouse works and the clock is spinning for > about 45 seconds then the system freezes. > Only a hard reset wil bring it back to live. > > I have two IDE harddrive's and two SATA harddrive's in the system (a > K7N2 motherboard from MSI with a NVIDIA nForce 2 chipset) > If i disconnect the SATA drives SUSE 10.1 installs without any > problems. When I later connect the cables again SUSE 10.1 again > freezes during the boot proces. > > I have reinstalled SUSE 9.3 (bougth version) SUSE 9.3 does not have > this problem. > > > somebody suggestions? > > > regards, > Giel Peters > - Giel, There are a number of things that you might look at here. First of all, 10.1 is a bit more hardware savy than 9.3 was, so it may be looking at things 9.3 doesn't. Secondly, have you checked for a new BIOS file from MSI? That might fix some things as well. I'm running the nForce2 as well, but with a little less hard drives than you without problems under 10.1. I remember early on there were problems with Seagate SATA drives over 160GB, could that be affecting you? Have you tried disconnecting just one, rather than both? Are you trying to run RAID? Have you tried booting with ACPI turned off at the loader screen? Lots of things for you to check. You might also want to check the searchable mail archives for the SUSE english list for similar questions. Also, the suse-e mail list you hear many talking about here might have more answers for you, once you narrow down many of the above questions. regards, Lee - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi, On Monday, June 05, 2006 at 13:12:27, Siegbert Baude wrote: > Adrian Schröter wrote: > > > IIRC henne wanted to make suse-linux-e also available under the opensuse > > domain. So we can always announce the new name and fade out the old one. > > Without the need to resubscribe anyone. > > Under which name? The plan for migrating seems to be a good idea, IMHO, > because suse-linux-e is not a name that speaks for itself. See my mail for the new ml layout http://lists4.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-02/msg00382.html suse-linux-e becomes opensuse-users suse-linux-s becomes opensuse-users-es suse-linux becomes opensuse-users-de I have some time now for the new mailinglist server and im already working on it since last weekend. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de "To die. In the rain. Alone." Ernest Hemingway - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Anything right about 10.1?
Moin! Am Sonntag, 4. Juni 2006 16:28 schrieb Andreas Hanke: > > A KDE-bug will be in the build-service, as well as in the > > factory-packages, so it does not matter which ones one uses. > > No, the packages will not behave the same and yes, it does matter which > ones are used. You try too hard to read something into my text. There are a lot of bugs which are simply KDE-bugs, e.g. that kmail bug with loosing the settings. No matter whether you build an RPM and install it, or compile from source, that bug is there, i.e. both things have the same bug. Building a package does not fix any bugs, it can only add them, unless of course a patch is applied. > > Especially since people report most KDE-bugs to KDE ond not Novell. > > The kscreensaver problem was reported three times to bugzilla.novell.com > today (181121, 181122, 181585). And even worse, most people are > reporting problems neither at bugs.kde.org nor at bugzilla.novell.com, > but in user forums where they don't help at all, together with > complaints, complaints and complaints that the extra service nobody paid > for is so bad and that the so-called "official updates" are broken. This is partly Novell's fault. in bugs.kde.org one enters the issue-title and then gets a list of bugs that the one reported could be a duplicate of, I guess they implemented that for a reason. Another possibility would be to have some people from the community to read over bugs and kill off all the duplicates, non-reproducable and logs lacking bugs before the actual devs spend time on them. Regarding the reporting of the "official updates'" bugs. Since those bugs, according to your definition should not be reported to novell anyway, because they are part of an unofficial service, it does not matter whether they are reported on forums. In fact, from your point of view all of those bugs should be posted to forums instead of novell's bugzilla or mailinglists, since that way they do not bother the developers at novell. You really have to make up your mind and decide whether you want bugs of the build-service packages being reported at novell, or somewhere else, where they do not bother anyone. Another thing is, those packages are part of the psychological contract SuSE has with its users, no matter whether they are official, or not. If this was not the case, why does Novell not just scrap them, if they just cause anger and pain to everybody and have no value? > > I said "hardly any", if you search the archives you will find that YOU is > > not supplying bugfix-releases but just some bugfixes which are considered > > important enough. > > The solution is using factory or RCs shortly before a release and > reporting all bugs to prevent that they go into the release at all. Then > one can really seriously claim that one helped improving the quality of > the next release. Otherwise it's difficult. Sorry, but most people got a job to do and cannot take some free time to intensively test while RCs are provided and certainly do not have the time to install a second system just to look for bugs in KDE. Most people find those bugs while simply using KDE and because they do some extra testing. So your solution is only for people who a) have enough space to set up a second system, b) have spare time to play in a non-productive system (as one should not move email and other serious work to a RC and hence cannot test it while just spending the normal amount of time at it), c) are willing to test the while new thing and not just one part of it, or are employed to do so. Not too many fall into that category. > > I am not sure if it was backported, but there is for > > example a bug in kmail that was fixed in 3.5.3 and leads to it loosing > > folder-settings when it quits, very annoying, yet not a security or > > critical bugfix. > > I believe that data loss bugs are severe enough to justify a YOU. In > this case, verifying that the bug is really present in the official > packages and politely asking for a YOU if it is might be an interesting > option - keyword being "politely". If the request sounds like "You must > [...]" instead of "Could you [...]", chances are lower that it will be > done, not higher. As that attitude does not apply to me, I wonder why you mention it. > > Since bugfix-releases of NLD and SLD, apparently including KDE-versions, > > are supplied they are possible. > > NLD and SLED are enterprise products. They have a different licensing > scheme and a different level of support than what is usually called "the > box"/openSUSE. As you might know, [opensuse] is about "the box" and not > about enterprise products. Whoever needs enterprise level support can > feel free to purchase enterprise products. So? All I stated was: it is possible, especially if one of those enterprise products is based on a SuSE Linux version. > No, seriously: The problem here is not that people are confusing > development packages with bugfix releases, the pro
Re: [opensuse] VT workstation for SuSE10.1/Xen
Am Freitag, 2. Juni 2006 18:37 schrieb Terje J. Hanssen: > I'm wondering if the new Dell Precision 490 and 690 workstations can be > verified or expected as VT enabled and ready to be applied for > SuSE10.1/Xen and other unmodified Linux and Windows guests? > > From the system specs: > * 1-2 Dual-Core Intel Xeon 5000 series 64-bit processors > * Intel 5000X chipset > * Windows XP/Vista or Redhat EWS4 Linux The working CPUs are listed on the following page: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/HVM_Compatible_Processors AFAIK it's not sure if VT has to be supported by the BIOS. It is expected to work if the CPU supports VT and the mainboard supports that CPU. Dani - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Adrian Schröter wrote: > Am Monday 05 June 2006 08:58 schrieb jdd: >> could we have an alias (or something similar) between >> suse-linux-e and something like >> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > hm, -technical would match also on different other topics, where -factory > or -buildservice might be a better list. Other suggestions: a) opensuse-help b) opensuse-helpline c) opensuse-hotline Maybe some native speaker should decide which implications each name has and then we can choose which one fits bets the purpose of the list. > IIRC henne wanted to make suse-linux-e also available under the opensuse > domain. So we can always announce the new name and fade out the old one. > Without the need to resubscribe anyone. Under which name? The plan for migrating seems to be a good idea, IMHO, because suse-linux-e is not a name that speaks for itself. Ciao Siegbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Adrian Schröter wrote: IIRC henne wanted to make suse-linux-e also available under the opensuse domain. So we can always announce the new name and fade out the old one. Without the need to resubscribe anyone. this is what I had in mind :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Am Monday 05 June 2006 08:58 schrieb jdd: > could we have an alias (or something similar) between > suse-linux-e and something like > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" hm, -technical would match also on different other topics, where -factory or -buildservice might be a better list. What kind of questions would you like to discuss there ? Maybe around the project organisation ? Would opensuse-project a better list than ? > may be part of the problem comes from the name. suse-linux-e > may be understood, like all the others suse.com lists, as > Novell specifics or pre-opensuse SUSE Linux distributions > (up to 9.3) > > unifying the names should enhance the system. IIRC henne wanted to make suse-linux-e also available under the opensuse domain. So we can always announce the new name and fade out the old one. Without the need to resubscribe anyone. bye adrian -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Build Service builds and debugging symbols (was: Anything right about 10.1?)
Am Sunday 04 June 2006 16:36 schrieb Pascal Bleser: > Andreas Hanke wrote: > > > > No, really: Yesterday I had a closer look at what is currently there in > > the build service just to find out that the amarok package from there is > > 19 MB compressed and ca. 100 MB on disk after installation. Guess why, > > it is compiled with full debug information and not stripped. It's close > > to ridiculous that people are confusing them with bugfix updates. > > That's going to be "fixed" soon. > > The "problem" in the Build Service wrt that is that the spec files are > made portable across various distributions (SL Factory 10.1, 10.0, 9.3; > Fedora Core 5; Mandriva) and that we're currently in a phase where a lot > of testing happens, and investigations on how to achieve that. > > Normally, from SUSE 9.3 on, the debug symbols of RPM packages are > removed and stripped by using the %debug_package macro, which > automagically creates a -debuginfo package (that hols the debugging > symbols). you can use the same macro in the build service as well. There is just no nice button to use it for now. > It's not totally trivial atm to apply that macro in a portable manner > across distributions, but the problem is being tackled and a portable > solution will be provided soon. right. > That's the reason why the spec files in the Build Service currently > don't use the %debug_package macro and, hence, include debug symbols in > the binaries. but we removed the "-g" default meanwhile. -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SuSE-watcher/ksmarttray
Am Sunday 04 June 2006 12:54 schrieb Pascal Bleser: > Adrian Schröter wrote: > > Am Sunday 04 June 2006 00:34 schrieb Pascal Bleser: > >> Richard Bos wrote: > > ... > > >>> The best place to host those channel rpms are of course suse itself as > >>> they get than mirrored automatically. But as you already stated that > >>> might not be possible due to law implications. > >> > >> s/might/will/ > >> > >> I started a thread/discussion with the SUSE folks about that when > >> openSUSE started. I was asking them whether it would be possible to do > >> some refinements in YaST2, to have it fetch a list of repositories from, > >> say, opensuse.org and propose them to the end-user as additional repos. > >> > >> It became pretty clear that it wouldn't be possible, because of > >> ridiculous court rulings in the US and Germany (e.g. the Heise case), > >> where "linking" to a resource that provides a package that under certain > >> circumstances and/or jurisdictions would be.. well.. "attackable" in > >> court, is already sufficient for potential trouble. > >> > >> The issue was a task to.. mm.. I think it was Adrian, to take it to > >> Novell's legal dept, but there was never any feedback on it (and it was > >> in November 2005). > >> Dunno if anything came back about that.. Adrian ? > > > > The problem is that this decisions needs to be made for each software > > seperatly. For example it is very unlikely that this would be ever > > possible with DeCSS, but there are maybe chances for other stuff like mp3 > > playback. This will of course take much resources for each package at the > > legal department :/ > > OK, now I get it, I thought it was some blessing of linking to > repositories that provide packages that ... > > Note, I'm not talking about building and hosting packages like mad in > the Build Service, that's another topic. Yes, I understood that, but there seems no to be much difference between linking and building it legal wise. -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Anything right about 10.1?
> > 10.1 + build service is not what will become the next release - that is > > factory and nothing else. There might be artifacts because the way the The plan is to move Factory within the build service ... To allow an open development of the distribution. We just not have all pieces together to do so. -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Bos wrote: > Op maandag 5 juni 2006 08:58, schreef jdd: >> could we have an alias (or something similar) between >> suse-linux-e and something like >> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" >> >> may be part of the problem comes from the name. suse-linux-e >> may be understood, like all the others suse.com lists, as >> Novell specifics or pre-opensuse SUSE Linux distributions >> (up to 9.3) >> >> unifying the names should enhance the system. > > Hmmm, opensuse-linux-e? > > But, as we experience people think that this is the _technical_list. So, > let this list grow to be the technical list and as has been proposed before > create a new list opensuse-community. Come'n, opensuse is the a techical > project and as such I (and many others as can be experienced) expect _this_ > list to be about technical issues. Sorry, I'm against this... well.. slightly ;D We shouldn't "let go" this list as a technical one, but instead migrate suse-linux-e, or whatever. But splitting the technical list into suse-linux-e and opensuse won't be a benefit to anyone. I'm not against the idea though, move suse-linux-e to opensuse@opensuse.org and move this list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] But migrating suse-linux-e is going to be a painful process. Henne, you had something in your plans/AIs about that, any progress or plan yet ? cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEg+0Ar3NMWliFcXcRAkvgAJ0fjLN8gQxriN6SNzN3Bxpa/tcLzwCgssu4 KhOJYYrRNfM5Nv6Tr/0JOrQ= =Qus6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 08:58, schreef jdd: > could we have an alias (or something similar) between > suse-linux-e and something like > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > may be part of the problem comes from the name. suse-linux-e > may be understood, like all the others suse.com lists, as > Novell specifics or pre-opensuse SUSE Linux distributions > (up to 9.3) > > unifying the names should enhance the system. Hmmm, opensuse-linux-e? But, as we experience people think that this is the _technical_list. So, let this list grow to be the technical list and as has been proposed before create a new list opensuse-community. Come'n, opensuse is the a techical project and as such I (and many others as can be experienced) expect _this_ list to be about technical issues. -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
