Re: [opensuse-factory] I can't update from factory today

2007-05-09 Thread Cristian Rodriguez R.
Adrian Schröter escribió:
 Hard to say ... what kind of errors do you see ?
 

the error is obviuos ;) there is no yum metadata in factory mirrors..
the repodata directory disappeared...



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Re: [opensuse-factory] PHP - tales from the crypt

2007-05-09 Thread Cristian Rodriguez R.
Sylvester Lykkehus escribió:

   
 Really ? I always thought open_basedir was a part of safemode.

both are different things.

 Safe Mode was removed in
 PHP 6.0.0. warning sign.

yes, it is already removed, in fact was one of the first prioritary
things to in PHP6 (and the other was removing the infamous
register_globals thingy.)




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Re: [opensuse-factory] No Update's on the mirrors (10.2)

2007-05-09 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:02:26AM +0200, Günther J. Niederwimmer wrote:
 Hello,
 
 the most mirror lost the /update/10.2 path

its still there at least on ftp.gwdg.de and ftp.suse.com...

Which mirrors?

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[opensuse-factory] No Update's on the mirrors (10.2)

2007-05-09 Thread Günther J. Niederwimmer
Hello,

the most mirror lost the /update/10.2 path
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[opensuse-factory] openvpn unstabel

2007-05-09 Thread Ralf Prengel
Hallo,

I m using openvpn to connect to an astaro-VPN-Server.
It works absolute stabel under Windows but under Suse 10.3 Alpha the
following happens:
1)
The connection is started with openvpn --config filenam
2)
ping is working
3)
after some seconds or in best case minutes ping stops working

I ve no idea what happens and why the VPN doesn t work any longer.
icfonfig shows me all devices .
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Re: [opensuse-factory] I can't update from factory today

2007-05-09 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Cristian Rodriguez R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Adrian Schröter escribió:
 Hard to say ... what kind of errors do you see ?
 

 the error is obviuos ;) there is no yum metadata in factory mirrors..
 the repodata directory disappeared...

That's bad - and easily verified :-(

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Re: [opensuse-factory] I can't update from factory today

2007-05-09 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Andreas Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Cristian Rodriguez R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Adrian Schröter escribió:
 Hard to say ... what kind of errors do you see ?
 

 the error is obviuos ;) there is no yum metadata in factory mirrors..
 the repodata directory disappeared...

 That's bad - and easily verified :-(

Just back from talking with the experts:

We're recreating factory with a fixed repodata and will sync then out.
It will take a few hours to get this out.

We had to fix a few bugs in createrepo to handle caching better (don't
know the details) - and introduced one new bug in that broke creation
:-(.  Everything should be fixed now.

Sorry for the breakage,
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Re: [opensuse-factory] PHP - tales from the crypt

2007-05-09 Thread Stephan von Krawczynski
On Tue, 08 May 2007 18:06:44 -0400
Cristian Rodriguez R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Stephan von Krawczynski escribió:
 ed.
  
  And 5 will end up as the next dead horse?
 
 Probably, but is not time to worry about that, maybe in about 5 years or
 so.. dunno, but now **is** time to worry for PHP4 as it is going away
 this year.. software has a lifecycle and in 5 or 6 years your investment
 is already recovered and you can devote new resources into updating your
 applications, this happends all the time, and not only with PHP...( but
 is more notorius with PHP due to it's popularity)
 
 I would **love** to hear how we, openSUSE, can help you in the migration
 without intruducing PHP4 again.. do you need more documentation ? howto?
   is the online PHP documention not enough to do so ..I mean.. geez..
 the changes are not **that** many...I have asked this very same question
 to many people and I never got a proper answer.. so I suspect people
 just want to use obsolete stuff till the end of time and cause
 unnecesarry workload on package mantainers..
 
 You can also google for the redhat or ubuntu rationale about removing
 PHP4 from their distros and you will find it is pretty similar.. so no
 need to elaborate more.

Ok, this is a must-answer situation for various reasons :-)

1) You probably misunderstood my point of view at least partially. I am not
arguing about how fine PHP4 is and that it shall live forever. I am in no way
interested in PHPversionwhatever. I am _only_ interested in setting up an
environment for _users_ that do what users do. If they need some (php)
application, they google until they reach a download link, click on it and
expect the webservice (and thats my part) to run with whatever they
downloaded. They have _no idea_ what php is and how it works. Explicitely they
are not interested in versions - and (which bothers me) they are _a lot_.
That means: you cannot talk to them for explaining something, because it is
impossible to explain something to hundreds of people with complete lack of
technical understanding. And of course I do not fix customer php scripts on
the fly, because that only leads to me being responsible. Change one byte of
code and you are responsible. So, all that I expect from a current distro is
that it covers the market of applications. You can read everywhere in this
thread that PHP4 is widespread, and up to today it is maintained. So it is
_not dead_. Even if it were dead it still works. Why vote for removing
something that is widespread, works for people and is maintained? 

2) You cannot help me with a migration that is not mine. I only have to make
sure that people's scripts have a working platform to run on. And I can tell
you from our tests that less than 5% of the php-scripts running on our servers
work with PHP5. There is no way to change that. Sure they will get less, but
not significantly or even vanish over the next three years.

3) I am not really interested in what redhat or ubuntu do, if I were I would
probably use them. If opensuse only does what the others do, why does it exist
then? Shouldn't it be _better_, more _comfortable_ or cover a bigger market ?

4) Really, nobody expects here that you maintain a PHP4 package forever. The
last official release for both PHP4 and 5 date 03. May 2007 which is 6 days
back. The only thing I vote for is not to forget the _people_ out there. The
majority of people cannot afford always using the latest piece of car, tv-set
or software. The reasons are numerous, some don't have the money, others don't
have the technical insight - and lets not forget: most don't _want_ to be
geeks at all. They want to use software that is available on the net. And I
cannot see what's wrong with that.
Sometimes software business is really odd. Nobody would ever throw away his
car only because it is 5 years old but still running ok, even if the
manufacturer tells him to because there is a brand new one available with lots
of cool new features. Why do you even try to argue like this for software?

Regards,
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[opensuse-factory] Topics dist meeting 2007-05-10

2007-05-09 Thread Andreas Jaeger

We'd like to discuss the following topics tomorrow.  Please send your
comments and suggestions as usual so that I can represent them.

thanks,
Andrea

* Smaller systems - what can be done?

  Goal: A system with 128 MB of space.

  Challenges are especially:
  * Languages and localization
  * documentation -  some packages have documentation split up already
  * theming - some packages will be split up so that only one theme is
in a package.

  For languages we discussed previously already the following and will
  implement this now:
  The idea is to add to spec file of packages a new rpm macro so that
  subpackages are created and then related subpackages are repacked for
  each language in our build system.  This way we would get
  e.g. basesystem-$lang and gnome-$lang packages and those can then be
  installed.

* Shared library policy (posted some time ago on opensuse-packaging, is
  now in the wiki)

* dbus restart

Making dbus a special reboot case like the kernel when updating (like
other distros - dbus is really not supposed to be restarted).


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Re: [opensuse-factory] PHP - tales from the crypt

2007-05-09 Thread Cristian Rodriguez R.
Stephan von Krawczynski escribió:

 I am in no way
 interested in PHPversionwhatever. I am _only_ interested in setting up an
 environment for _users_ that do what users do. If they need some (php)
 application, they google until they reach a download link, click on it and
 expect the webservice (and thats my part) to run with whatever they
 downloaded. 

Most of those the click and download apps already works with PHP5.


 So it is
 _not dead_. 

yes it is, more or less.


 Why vote for removing
 something

this discussin came up during 10.1 development, so you are late. ;P


 that is widespread, works for people and is maintained? 

Our mission is to deliver a working system, that is manageable and does
not cost gazillions of hours to developers.. developer time is a
**limited** resource.

using the same rationale..let's include 2 GNOMEs. 2apache versions..
Python 2.2 , 2,3 2.4 and 2.5 just for the apps that does not run in
python 2.5... or well.. 3/4 GCC versions so people can compile broken
code that does compile with GCC 4...

that less than 5% of the php-scripts running on our servers
 work with PHP5. 

Your numbers are wrong, most should work. you are doing something wrong
in your configuration then, I have worked in real life,commercial, large
PHP4-PHP5 migrations and Im sure that is wrong.

 3) I am not really interested in what redhat or ubuntu do, 

It matters in this particular situation what others have done..too se
how others are managing certain parts of their **products** (even
corporate distros are following the same approach..)


if I were I would
 probably use them. If opensuse only does what the others do, why does it exist
 then? Shouldn't it be _better_, more _comfortable_ or cover a bigger market 
 ?

You are not understanding. this is about product managment, we cannot
offer support for 2 years for a software that is actually having very
small manteniance, with only critical or secuirty bugs fixed (and takes
months to get a fixed version) and that will be officially abandoned ina
few months. then people like you will post rants how bad is the
mantainance or bugs not getting fixed.. (not to mention that PHP4
does not work correctly on 64 bit systems either and you will find
countless strange issues..)


 
 4) Really, nobody expects here that you maintain a PHP4 package forever. The
 last official release for both PHP4 and 5 date 03. May 2007 which is 6 days
 back.

yes and is very likley to be **one** of the final releases...


 Sometimes software business is really odd.

Yes it is, and unfortunately you have to deal with it. FYI, im thinking
about providing a better but stripped down PHP4 package in the
server:php repository but it will be removed from the repository the
same day it's official EOL is announced (expected on the first days of
2008 or so), keep in mind that  I will not fix stuff on it, and will
only add secuirty fixes from time to time (very low priority), in any
case dont expect that to happend soon ;)




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Re: [opensuse-factory] PHP - tales from the crypt

2007-05-09 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Wednesday 2007-05-09 at 15:57 +0200, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote:



 Sometimes software business is really odd. Nobody would ever throw away his
 car only because it is 5 years old but still running ok, even if the
 manufacturer tells him to because there is a brand new one available with lots
 of cool new features. Why do you even try to argue like this for software?

It happens also with cars and anything else. There is a moment when a car 
is no longer manufactured, but they still make spares. Then even spares 
are no longer made, then the spares in storage are spent, then the last 
users have to get used spares from the dumps, and finally only collectors 
can maintain those cars by making those spares by hand themselves.

Obviously, when the manufacturer stop making the car, the dealers have to 
stop selling it - even if they are good cars and they work - for instance, 
the beetle or the 600.

Same here with the PHP4. The developers (the car manufacturers) will stop 
maintaining it by year end; thus suse (the car dealer) has to stop 
providing it because they can't get it upstream (the car manufacturers). 
If you want to maintain it, you can do as the car collectors: do your own 
maintenance, or pay a special garage to maintain it for you (ie, pay your 
own developers). It's open source, after all...


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Re: [opensuse-factory] No Update's on the mirrors (10.2)

2007-05-09 Thread Pascal Bleser
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M9. wrote:
 Marcus Meissner schreef:
[...]
 its still there at least on ftp.gwdg.de and ftp.suse.com...
[...]
 I can confirm that some of the mirrors for 102 do not work, i had to
 find working ones myself also some days ago...
 Both repo's mentioned by marcus do function though..;-)

But both are dog-slow.

Try this one, always been very fast and reliable:
http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/ftp.suse.com/suse/update/10.2/

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Re: [opensuse-factory] PHP - tales from the crypt

2007-05-09 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:50:46PM -0400, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote:
 Carlos E. R. escribió:
 
  It happens also with cars and anything else. 
 
 Exactly..is called product lifecycle ;-)
 
 
 There is a moment when a car
  is no longer manufactured, 
 but they still make spares.
 Then even spares
  are no longer made, then the spares in storage are spent, then the last
  users have to get used spares from the dumps,
 
 
 if PHP4 were a car, I can say it is no longer manufactured and the last
 spare parts are in  the way to the dealers, but they are not produced in
 serie but by small amounts from time to time.
 
 thus suse (the car dealer) has to stop
  providing it because they can't get it upstream (the car manufacturers).
 
 following your analogy, is worth to mention that the suse dealer has
 supported the car for longer time than the other major dealers and
 is time to phase it out once for all because the car manteniance is
 causing techs trouble when they should devote their time improving the
  new equivalent model, that has **waaay** less problems and is
 supported by the manufacturer.

We still support it for:
- SLES 8 (until November 2007)
- SLES 9 (until around 2011)

btw...

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Re: [opensuse] Groupwise - Open-Xchange

2007-05-09 Thread Peter Van Lone

On 5/9/07, Catherine Carminati [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Hi all

I work at a company that has about 160 users, we are thinking of upgrading
our servers, one of them
being the mail server.
what i would like to find out is if anyone works with Groupwise 7 and if you
would recommend
the product. Almost all our users use Outlook 2000 / outlook xp / outlook
2003 and outlook 2007,
some also use outlook express.
I have also read about Open-xchange. anyone using the product?


GroupWise is a really fine corporate collaboration product. It's
scaleable (which you don't really care about, I realize) and easy to
manage. The client has gotten better and better, and there are some
quite exciting new features coming in the version due end of year
(code name Bonobo, or something like that). Runs great on SLES.
Requires edirectory (this is one of the things that is changing, I
think in the next version, or two) and management via console one,
which is a bit of a clunky java util.

If your users are used to OutLook, then you can either continue using
that with the GroupWise connector, or (what I would suggest) move
them to the native client, as it is easier to support is familiar
enough that users will get used to it. If you try to use the
Outlook/GW connector, there are some compromises (not everything works
exactly as it does in either product on it's own) and there MAY be
some issues with stability. I have not used it ... I know that earlier
versions were  a challenge in some ways. I have also heard it has
gotten better.

The GW client (like OutLook) is *NOT* a strong email client, from the
traditional nix point of view ... it's monolithic, doesn't have strong
scripting or command line options, defaults to top-posting, etc etc
etc  but if your users are used to Outlook they will understand
and like the GW approach.

I've never used Open-xchange but what I have *heard* is that it is
quite nice, but not as polished, not as complete feature-wise for
collaboration, etc ... but I don't really know.

HTH

Peter




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Re: [opensuse] foomatic-rip failed - resolved

2007-05-09 Thread George Osvald
On Wednesday 09 May 2007 12:22, George Osvald wrote:
 Recently I upgraded my computers to Suse 10.2. Two of them were no
 problem but the third one gives me a headache.
 Since the upgrade it would not print into my HP Officejet. It still
 prints into Dymo labelwriter because I have it set up as raw printer.
 I get this error message from my CUPS
 server:  /usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed
 I tried all sorts of things without a success. This printer was
 printing fine with a previous version and I also have two other (with
 SuSe 10.2) computers printing into HP printers no problems.

 I'd appreciate any help.


I deleted my current ghostscript installation and re-installed from the net 
and the printer works again. 
Strange thing is that even though it prints, CUPS still gives me the error 
message while printing a test page.

But I don't care as long as I can use it.



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Re: [opensuse] foomatic-rip failed - more details

2007-05-09 Thread George Osvald
On Wednesday 09 May 2007 12:22, George Osvald wrote:
 Recently I upgraded my computers to Suse 10.2. Two of them were no
 problem but the third one gives me a headache.
 Since the upgrade it would not print into my HP Officejet. It still
 prints into Dymo labelwriter because I have it set up as raw printer.
 I get this error message from my CUPS
 server:  /usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed
 I tried all sorts of things without a success. This printer was
 printing fine with a previous version and I also have two other (with
 SuSe 10.2) computers printing into HP printers no problems.

 I'd appreciate any help.

Here is the CUPS error log:

Starting renderer
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] JCL: job data 
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] 
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] renderer PID kid4=5299
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] renderer command: 
gs -q -dBATCH -dPARANOIDSAFER -dQUIET -dNOPAUSE -sDEVICE=ijs -sIjsServer=hpijs 
-sDeviceManufacturer=HEWLETT-PACKARD -sDeviceModel=DESKJET 
930 -dDEVICEWIDTHPOINTS=595 -dDEVICEHEIGHTPOINTS=842 -dDuplex=false -r300 
-sIjsParams=Quality:Quality=0,Quality:ColorMode=2,Quality:MediaType=0,Quality:PenSet=2
 -dIjsUseOutputFD -sOutputFile=- -
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] 
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] Closing renderer
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] foomatic-gswrapper: 
gs '-dBATCH' '-dPARANOIDSAFER' '-dQUIET' '-dNOPAUSE' '-sDEVICE=ijs' 
'-sIjsServer=hpijs' '-sDeviceManufacturer=HEWLETT-PACKARD' 
'-sDeviceModel=DESKJET 
930' '-dDEVICEWIDTHPOINTS=595' '-dDEVICEHEIGHTPOINTS=842' '-dDuplex=false' 
'-r300' 
'-sIjsParams=Quality:Quality=0,Quality:ColorMode=2,Quality:MediaType=0,Quality:PenSet=2'
 '-dIjsUseOutputFD' '-sOutputFile=/dev/fd/3' '/dev/fd/0' 
31 12
C [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] invalidfileaccess in file
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] Discarding unused printer-state-changed 
event...
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] Operand stack:
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] --nostringval--  --nostringval--  
Fontmap.kanji
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] renderer return value: 255
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] renderer received signal: 255
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] KID3 exited with status 1
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] Renderer exit stat: 1
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] Process dying with The renderer 
command line returned an unrecognized error code 255., exit stat: 1
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] error: Illegal seek (29)
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] The renderer command line returned 
an unrecognized error code 255.
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] tail process done writing data to 
STDOUT
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] KID4 finished
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] Renderer process finished
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] Killing process 5298 (KID3)
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] Process dying with Error closing 
renderer, exit stat: 1
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] error: Bad file descriptor (9)
D [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] [Job 1060] Error closing renderer
E [09/May/2007:15:52:31 +1000] PID 5286 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) 
stopped with status 1!


And here is what happens when I try to execute gs from command line:
ESP Ghostscript 8.15 (2006-04-19)
Copyright (C) 2004 artofcode LLC, Benicia, CA.  All rights reserved.
This software comes with NO WARRANTY: see the file COPYING for details.
CRIT: invalidfileaccess in file
Operand stack:
--nostringval--  --nostringval--  Fontmap.kanji


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Re: [opensuse] [OT] - Australian extradited to US to stand trial

2007-05-09 Thread Dave Cotton
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 00:53 +0400, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

 Which is why i invited the two people who started the political
 tangent to shut the fuck up

Which is what I, and probably many others, would like you to do.

Please take your foul language somewhere else.





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Re: [opensuse] Error's on raid disk

2007-05-09 Thread Wilfred van Velzen
 Carlos E. R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2007-05-08 16:39:29

 The Tuesday 2007-05-08 at 15:17 +0200, Wilfred van Velzen wrote:

  I'm in no hurry, I'll wait until tomorrow, by which time the
remaining
  30% should be finished.

 Ok! Now we'll sit waiting for your email a week from now: It's going
at
 99% still!

 I'm joking :-P

Good, I was worried. ;)

The test is finished now. Here's part of the '-a' output:

~~~
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE 
UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   036Pre-fail 
Always   -   4

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num  Test_DescriptionStatus  Remaining 
LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
# 1  Extended offlineCompleted without error   00%  1651   
 -
~~~

So no errors where found, and the Reallocated_Sector_Ct hasn't changed.
So the disk seems to be ok... for now...

 My 300 GiB from Seagate, a test like that makes postfix growl with
all
 kinds of timeout errors. I have to stop services (no raid). You are
lucky
 with yours ;-)

Our disks are also Seagate:
Device Model: ST3750640AS

So it might be due to the raid-1 configuration I'm not experiencing any
delays when the test is running...

   Also, you know that you can have an active spare inside the
raid. If
   there is a problem, it will immediately activate it and switch
over.
   The disadvantage is, obviously, that the spare is powered up,
although
   idle. In those cases, I would have an spare outside, too - maybe
I'm
   too paranoid ;-)
 
  There isn't room inside the server (it's a 1U 19 with only two HD
  drive bays), so I don't have to consider this. ;)

 Ah, lucky again, no worries!

I'm sleeping very well! ;)



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Re: [opensuse] Question on DVD authoring

2007-05-09 Thread Jónas Helgi Pálsson
On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Adam Jimerson wrote:
 I have a .avi file that I need to burn to a dvd, I know that I can't
 just load the .avi file into k3b and burn it.  I have KDE DVDauthor
 Wizard and QDVDauthor installed on my system but neather one of them
 will accept the .avi, I need to encode it to a mpeg 2 format.  In
 order to encode it I have kvideoencoder and videomaker installed, the
 thing with them are that nether one of them wants to work.  In
 videomaker I get a transcode error, I have transcode 1.0.3 installed.
 I do not know the details in order to get kvideoencoder to work, I
 need to know what framerate, bitrate, resolution and I don't know what
 I need to set them to.

A wonderful HOW-TO can be found at:
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=117709

regards
j

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[opensuse] Re: How do I remove openSUSE?

2007-05-09 Thread Eberhard Roloff
George Osvald wrote:
 On Wednesday 09 May 2007 09:56, David Gregg wrote:
 I am currently running a dual boot with xp on my primary hard drive
 and openSUSE 10.2 on my secondary hard drive. I would like to know how
 to remove suse and return to a single operating system.

 For those who are curious I am going back temporarily until I can get
 a larger hard drive, my projects on xp are demanding the extra
 space...
 
 Use the SuSe DVD and repartition the drive in Windows format. Windows will 
 then be able to see the drive.
 
Alternatively use windows and repartion the SuSE drive with NTFS.
Windows will then be able to use the space that you created where SuSE
was residing.

kind regards
Eberhard

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Re: [opensuse] Re: How do I remove openSUSE?

2007-05-09 Thread Clayton

 Use the SuSe DVD and repartition the drive in Windows format. Windows will
 then be able to see the drive.

Alternatively use windows and repartion the SuSE drive with NTFS.
Windows will then be able to use the space that you created where SuSE
was residing.


That woks as long as you also rewrite the MBR to remove GRUB.  If you
wipe the partition that has Linux on it without also removing GRUB,
your computer will not be bootable until you find a way to rebuild the
MBR (personal experience speaking).  GRUB will fail with an error
about missing partitions, and you won't get as far as the selection
menu.


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Re: [opensuse] Question on DVD authoring

2007-05-09 Thread Franz Petri


Carlos Lorenzo Matés wrote:
 Hi.
 
 El Martes, 8 de Mayo de 2007, Adam Jimerson escribió:
 I have a .avi file that I need to burn to a dvd, I know that I can't
 just load the .avi file into k3b and burn it.  I have KDE DVDauthor
 Wizard and QDVDauthor installed on my system but neather one of them
 will accept the .avi, I need to encode it to a mpeg 2 format.  In
 order to encode it I have kvideoencoder and videomaker installed, the
 thing with them are that nether one of them wants to work.  In
 videomaker I get a transcode error, I have transcode 1.0.3 installed.
 I do not know the details in order to get kvideoencoder to work, I
 need to know what framerate, bitrate, resolution and I don't know what
 I need to set them to.
 
 have a look at tovid is a nice command to encode avi to several mpeg variants

I agree with the previous poster, tovid is a very nice tool set. It
has a gui, and as I remember it takes only a few clicks to create a
dvd file system with menues, buttons and everthing, and it accepts all
kinds of formats as input and AFAIK does all settings regarding
bitrate/resolution/etc by itself. It is more or less a front end to
various linux command line tools; it shows you the complete list of
command set it uses to do its things, so it is also a good starting
point to get familiar with some of the popular video editing cli tools
and their switches.

It installed nicely with all dependencies fullfilled from Packman for
me (OpenSuse 10.2).

If you want to master your own dvd, you might also give dvdstyler
(also from Packman) a try, it's also very basic and easy, creates dvd
menues and everything, but I am not sure wether it will take .avi as
input right away.

My tool chain is usually:

1. kino to capture and cut all kinds of input, and convert it to mpeg2
(AFAIK it uses ffmpeg as a backend for conversion), then
2. dvdstyler to create the dvd file system, then
3. k3b to burn

All software should be available either on the official repositories
or Packman.

Regards,

Franz.



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Re: [opensuse] Could not connect my camera via USB

2007-05-09 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 07:38:14PM +0200, Michal Hlavac wrote:
 Dňa Ut 8. Máj 2007 Marcus Meissner napísal:
  On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 06:40:07PM +0200, Michal Hlavac wrote:
   hello,
  
   I have opensuse 10.2 with latest updates. After last kernel update I
   cannot connect my camera Canon PowerShot G2. There was no problem before.
  
   dmesg says this:
   usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4
   usb 3-1: new device found, idVendor=04a9, idProduct=3055
   usb 3-1: new device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0
   usb 3-1: Product: PowerShot G2
   usb 3-1: Manufacturer: Canon Inc.
   usb 3-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
   usb 3-1: usbfs: usb_submit_urb returned -22
 
  What does:
  gphoto2 --auto-detect
  report? -22 is EINVAL.
 
 hlavki:/media # gphoto2 --auto-detect
 Model  Port
 --
 Canon PowerShot G2 usb:
 Canon PowerShot G2 usb:003,005

And gphoto2 -L ? If it lists the images then all is well.

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Re: [opensuse] cron issue

2007-05-09 Thread G T Smith
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Nick Jones wrote:
 Hello everyone.
 
 I've been having problems with cron running cron.daily jobs.  I can't
 for the life of me figure it out and it is embarrassing and
 frustrating.
 
 First off cron doesn't log for shit.  Sendmail wasn't running so I
 turned postfix on to see if mail shows up in root, it hasn't after 6
 hours.  I can see cron starting up in /var/log/messages, but that is
 it.  I simply want to place a script called backup under cron.daily

The cron script can be set to send a report via e-Mail, setting the
variable SEND_MAIL_ON_NO_ERROR to yes will setup a mail address for all
jobs. Now on my 64bit machine this variable turned up in YasT in
system--/etc/sysconfig Editor but it looks as if was placed in the
/etc/sysconfig/cron file because I was using it on the system already.
You can try adding the line

SEND_MAIL_ON_NO_ERROR=yes

in the /etc/sysconfig/cron file, or add the line to the
/usr/lib/cron/run-crons script. This is a bit of pain because you get
messages for the hourly cron jobs and I run a modified run-cron script
that only does this for daily or monthly cron jobs. (Thinking of
modifying it further to send a daily digest plus error mails).

Cron does some basic syslogging ... but nothing very detailed.

.
 
 So I run service cron restart, it checks /var/spool/tabs/ and
 /etc/crontab.  The crontab is the default and should run cron.daily
 scripts.  I've read that I need a file cron.daily under lastrun (which
 is empty now) so it's timestamp can be used.  I've tried manually
 creating this and it doesn't work.
 

This is a lock file... If there are executable files this file is
created for each of the cron.time directories. To force the daily
scripts to run  use touch to create the cron.daily file at least 24
hours before the current time. Otherwise it will effectively block
exuction for 24 hours.


 Please HELP!  Where do I look to see what is going wrong.  I need
 hints.  I *should* be able to reinstall cron, put a file under
 cron.daily, and sit back and relax (ie. cron.daily jobs are run by
 default on a fresh system with cron), but this doesn't work.  Cron
 seems to be running (ie, sleeping, but not zombie or defunct).
 According to timestamps it is not reading any files in the system
 every 15 minutes and it should at least look in lastrun I believe.
 
 Here's some debug info.  I restarted cron at 11:01 and it is a fresh
 install (uninstalled through yast, then reinstalled)
 
 
 dendrite:/var/spool # ls -lu /etc/cron.daily/
 total 52
 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  409 2007-05-07 16:10 backup
 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2928 2007-05-03 15:55 beagle-crawl-system
 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  393 2007-05-03 15:55 logrotate
 -rwxr--r-- 1 root root  948 2007-05-03 15:55 suse-clean_catman
 
 tail /var/log/cron | grep -i cron
 May  8 11:01:35 dendrite /usr/sbin/cron[8398]: (CRON) STARTUP (V5.0)
 
 dendrite:/var/spool # ls -lu /var/spool/cron/
 total 0
 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 80 2007-05-06 04:00 lastrun
 drwx-- 2 root root 48 2007-05-08 11:01 tabs
 
 dendrite:/var/spool # ls -lu /etc/crontab
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 274 2007-05-08 11:01 /etc/crontab
 
 dendrite:/var/spool # cat /etc/crontab
 SHELL=/bin/sh
 PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/lib/news/bin
 MAILTO=root
 #
 # check scripts in cron.hourly, cron.daily, cron.weekly, and cron.monthly
 #
 -*/15 * * * *   root  test -x /usr/lib/cron/run-crons 
 /usr/lib/cron/run-crons  /dev/null 21
 
 dendrite:/var/spool # ls -lu /var/spool/cron/tabs/
 total 0
 
 dendrite:/var/spool # ps -Al | grep cron
 1 S 0  8398 1  0  78   0 -   494 -  ?00:00:00 cron
 dendrite:/var/spool # ps -Al | grep syslog
 5 S 0  3023 1  0  75   0 -  1239 -  ?00:00:19 syslog-ng
 5 S 0  3043 1  0  75   0 -   430 syslog ?00:00:14 klogd
 
 
 
 dendrite:/var/spool # cat /etc/cron.daily/backup
 #!/bin/sh
 
 date  /var/log/backup.log
 
 mount -v /backup   /var/log/backup.log
 
 rsync -au / /backup/ --exclude ppg --exclude fmri --exclude
 /Network/people --exclude /backup --exclude /sys --exclude /proc
 --exclude /var/tmp --exclude /backup --exclude
 /home/bruss/external_mp3.dir --exclude /mnt  /var/log/backup.log
 
 umount /backup  /var/log/backup.log
 
 echo backup complete   /var/log/backup.log
 
 dendrite:/var/spool #
 
 
 
 Perhaps I should compile it from source, this is a yast binary.
 Thanks alot for the help.
 
 Nick

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Re: [opensuse] Dualhead with TV

2007-05-09 Thread michael norman
On Tuesday 08 May 2007 22:31:28 Sunny wrote:
 On 5/8/07, Sunny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  as a starter, please post this line 135, or better, the while section
  it belong to.

 I meant whole, not while :)

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 a pile of scrap.


Sunny

Thanks anyway but I have abandoned the project for reasons not connected with 
my original problem.

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Re: [opensuse] Re: How do I remove openSUSE?

2007-05-09 Thread Vince L
On Wednesday 09 May 2007 08:28, Clayton wrote:
   Use the SuSe DVD and repartition the drive in Windows format. Windows
   will then be able to see the drive.
 
  Alternatively use windows and repartion the SuSE drive with NTFS.
  Windows will then be able to use the space that you created where SuSE
  was residing.

 That woks as long as you also rewrite the MBR to remove GRUB.  If you
 wipe the partition that has Linux on it without also removing GRUB,
 your computer will not be bootable until you find a way to rebuild the
 MBR (personal experience speaking).  GRUB will fail with an error
 about missing partitions, and you won't get as far as the selection
 menu.


Boot to windows first, and set the windows partition active. Reboot to show 
that it no longer works via GRUB, and repartition as above. I think that 
should work.
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Re: [opensuse] cron problems

2007-05-09 Thread G T Smith
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Mohamed Haidar wrote:
 Hello guys, I have a problem with cron. I got a program for updating my
 ip to a internet dns host and i set it up correctly. The program  works.
 Now with the program came a file  that i putt in the /etc/cron.d dir
 because the program instructed me to do that. Basically  what I want to
 do is to let the program run once a minute. The file I putt in the
 cron.d dir contains these entries :
 
  * *   * * *   root/usr/bin/ipdetect.sh
  */15 *  * * *   root/usr/bin/ipdetect.sh -p host -r browser -c

The above lines should be either be added to the /etc/crontab file. (DO
NOT overwrite the /etc/crontab file as it runs the
/usr/lib/cron/run-crons file and this will break other stuff).

Or preferably you should add

SHELL=/bin/sh

at the beginning of the file to force it to run the bash shell..

If you mail to be sent flagging a result

MAILTO=your account

The man page for cron is not strictly accurate for the SuSE distro...
but man 5 crontab should give further details that are good.

 
  Now cron doesn't run the ipdetect script, never. I did some

It wont,

 investigation and I found out that cron doesn't have any log files or
 conf files on my system, which I thought was a bit strange.
  So all I did was to putt the file in the /etc/cron.d dir, do I have to
 do anything else or is the a problem with the cronsetup on my system or
 what do you guys think. If I do a ps aux then I find that cron is
 running on the system from boot.
 Thx guys for your aid. Regards, mohed.
 
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Re: [opensuse] Re: Suse, M$ and Dell

2007-05-09 Thread John Andersen
On Tuesday 08 May 2007, frank nelson wrote:
 You used the word still as in ongoing. These are all
 from last year. If you have nothing newer to cite,
 your claim is false.

Says you.

Find me ONE published report of Ballmer retracting his claim.
Just one !!!

...  Waiting!!!



Who appointed you keeper of the clock of how long Ballmer must
remain silent to signal that Microsoft has dropped all these claims?

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Re: [opensuse] Re: cron problems

2007-05-09 Thread G T Smith
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Joachim Schrod wrote:
 Mohamed Haidar wrote:

 cron logs via syslog; there should be log records about the start of
 each job in /var/log/messages. The exception is when your crontab line
 starts with - (a hyphen), then job start logging is turned off. (In

Oddly this is not happening on my system, the hyphen is there but job
start logging is still being performed. The run-crons script explicitly
sends information to the syslog daemon overriding the above setting, but
successful job reporting is controlled by the $SYSLOG_ON_NO_ERROR
variable. However, I have never explicitly set this myself. It looks as
if the majority of the standard SuSE scripts explicitly log their status.

 

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Re: [opensuse] Firewall/routes rules GUI

2007-05-09 Thread Hans van der Merwe

On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 15:19 +0100, peter nikolic wrote:
 On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Damon Register wrote:
  Hans van der Merwe wrote:
   Thx, ye I know about these, but really go take a look at the new Win2003
   firewall config builder  - I think the OSS community should take note
   and impl something similar (cant be hard to do, fwbuilder can be made to
   look like it I think)
 
  I am not familiar with the Win2003 firewall config builder but I am
  familiar with the pain of trying to learn/use fwbuilder.  I was trying to
  use it for Solaris 10.  I tinkered for a while before I discovered that it
  wasn't really compatible (at that time) with Solaris 10.  I saw this thread
  and got a little excited because I too wish there was an easy to use
  firewall config tool.  At this point I am back to using SuSEfirewall2
  because it is the only thing I have learned adequately.
 
  Damon Register
 
 Hi .
 
 
 If you want a Firewall that is easy to install and manage and have a spare 
 machine to run it on then Smoothwall is real easy to install and config  it 
 does not need much in the way of system have it running on an old   P100 with 
 256 Mb ram  you only need a monitor and keyboard connected for the install 
 and initial setup then you can loose them  ( Used to use BBiagent but they 
 have not answered the last dozen or so attempts at contacting them )
 
 Pete .
 

Smoothwall is great - but something like it as normal app on server
will be great  (this is basically what Win2003 got)




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Re: [opensuse] cron issue

2007-05-09 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Tuesday 2007-05-08 at 15:13 -0500, Nick Jones wrote:

 I've been having problems with cron running cron.daily jobs.  I can't
 for the life of me figure it out and it is embarrassing and
 frustrating.

You simply need to place an executable script in the cron.daily dir. These 
are run by the /usr/lib/cron/run-crons script: you can examine it to see 
how it works.

For example, if it is a laptop on batery, it will not run.

You could edit the file so that it logs a message to syslog when it runs 
or runs something; loo for this line:

   nice -n ${CRON_SCRIPT_NICE_VALUE} $SCRIPT $TEMP_MSG 21

You could add below a call to logger to log a messge of your choice for 
each script.

Or you could define the variable SYSLOG_ON_NO_ERROR to yes 
(/etc/sysconfig/cron).


 
 So I run service cron restart, it checks /var/spool/tabs/ and
 /etc/crontab.  The crontab is the default and should run cron.daily
 scripts.  I've read that I need a file cron.daily under lastrun (which
 is empty now) so it's timestamp can be used.  I've tried manually
 creating this and it doesn't work.

That file /dissables/ the script for 24 hours.

 According to timestamps it is not reading any files in the system
 every 15 minutes and it should at least look in lastrun I believe.

It doesn't read, it checks timestamps of the directory. If this stamp 
changes, then it reads those crontab files.

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Re: [opensuse] RE: Current Kernal handeling of multi core 64bit Processors

2007-05-09 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Wednesday 2007-05-09 at 10:29 +1000, Registration Account wrote:

 Carlos,
 Exactly the response I was looking for. After having to deal with the
 appalling memory management of other PC  O/S you have answered the
 question perfectly.
 
 However, I now need to know is there a process that removes items from
 cache after a period of time or will available memory be used to cache
 continually without being flushed.

Memory used to cache some thing will stay that way unless there is a 
better use for it, as far as I know. If a program demands memory and there 
is not sufficient free memory, some cache will be freed instantly and used 
for that. Or, if new files are read, older cache will be reused for those 
new files. Roughly.

Now, to learn the exact algorithm that decides all this you have to study 
the kernel... and it is a moving target. I don't know the details.

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   Carlos E. R.

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Re: [opensuse] Re: Suse, M$ and Dell

2007-05-09 Thread Juergen Weigert
On May 08, 07 14:57:31 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
 On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote:
   Much posturing, but Balmer is still
   claiming Linux violates MS IP
 
  Any cites for this statement? Its just FUD.

 If I need to cite that for you, you must have been stationed
 on Mars for the last year.
 
Marcus Meissner is an Engineer at SuSE, that makes me think he's not
  being a troll.
 
 
 We know who Marcuse is.  That's why we are surprised that his CEO knows 
 Ballmer is still claiming linux violates MS IP, but Marcus seems to pretend 
 this is not happening.

Marcus posted a quick oneliner. I am afraid you interpret to much into that.
I guess Marcus wanted to ask for any proof or new details of 
the infringement. We all know what Balmer claims, and we still believe it 
to be FUD. I am certain Marcus did not intend to deny the existance of 
Balmers FUD.

From an engineer's point of view I'd advise everyone to ignore Balmer.
It is Ron's job to educate Balmer on good manners.

 Others seem to think that just because Ballmer has not said anything 
 in the last week that he has forgotten the issue.  That would be a foolish
 mistake.  As soon as he has redhat and suse signed onto his agreement
 all the small players will find themselves in court.

Perhaps Ron already made Balmer shut up (for a while)?
If someone has good suggestions how to actually 
counteract Balmers FUD, please let us know.

Did I already say FUD?
The more we disagree on the details and effects of his FUD, 
the broader Balmers grin. Please don't feed him.

Now for the fun part:
If Marcus were a troll, I'd directly walk
into his office and hit him with a stick.

cheers,
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[opensuse] Re: Riso CR1610EP printer

2007-05-09 Thread Eberhard Roloff
Stuart Murray-Smith wrote:
 Hi list
 
 Could anyone please inform me how to get the Riso CR1610EP printer
 configured under SuSE 10.x?
 
 TiA
 
 Regards,
 
 Stu@
 
 
Just look at the product specifications and see which printer languages
are supported, whether it is a gdi printer, that is only supported by
Windows and last, but not least, ask Riso ;-)

E.

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R: R: [opensuse] HW Problem ?

2007-05-09 Thread Andrea Lanza
Yes, I am sure, becouse looking back to the logs i found this problem arised
immediately after installation.
I installed this pc on last April 4, and at the end of install process
(network install process, text mode installation) (after passing across all
software updates) the pc entered runlevel 6 and reboot and then when
restarted immediately showed this behaviour. I didn't note this  
() and I continued with installing this server (asterisk server) (pbx
software) with no problem at all.

Then I packed this pc and send it away.
After about a week they were using this, they told me there are strnage
noises in conversation. I investigate the problem and found this continuous
reset or similar, and I am thinking about the fact that they can lower the
qaulity of the phones. I have a Digium PRI card in it to connect to PSTN,
but I inserted the card after a week I installed the PC (on 11 Apr (Ester in
the middle) ) and the problem was ALREADY present

The keyboard I used to install is here and they are using another keyboard
there. Moreover, also unplagging the keyboard has no effect.

I also tried to remove kernel-smp and install kernel-default (recompiling
asterisk and so on..) with no difference, as no difference are shown
starting in failsafe.
So the problem could be the keyboard controller on the pc... anyway I will
have back the pc in my hands on Friday morning (I prepared a new one, with
the same Suse 10.1 O.S. and software and it works perfectly.. but it is not
an HP, it is a different brand (assembled) PC , with 1 IDE HD (HP has 2 SATA
disk, with mirroring software configured )

Thanks again for your interest

Andrea

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Inviato: martedì 8 maggio 2007 22.02
A: opensuse@opensuse.org
Cc: Andrea Lanza
Oggetto: Re: R: [opensuse] HW Problem ?

On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Andrea Lanza wrote:
 I will try opensuse 10.2.
 Also disconnecting any keyboard, apart from changing keyboard, the problem
 is still there (also with unplagged keyboard)

 Thanks,

 Andrea

Ok, since you stated the machine is no where near you I can
safely ask this question without fear of insulting your intelligence.

Are you sure the people near the machine have the keyboard plugged
in the correct place?  

This sounds more an more like the mouse is in the keyboard plug and vise 
versa.

There is no way you should be getting keyboard interrupts
with the keyboard unplugged.

You might see such a thing with a totally FooBar acpi
setup, and could try booting with acpi off just to test
this.  (Or maybe it is off in the bios and needs to be turned on.)


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Re: [opensuse] opensuse list server problems

2007-05-09 Thread Henne Vogelsang
Hi,

On Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 16:26:45, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

 * Sunny [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-08-07 16:19]:
  Since today, on every post I make to opensuse@opensuse.org, I receive
  the message bellow. Is it just me, or a know problem?
 
 
 You would probably have better luck addressing:
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This is gmail specific. Can we meet in #opensuse-project on
irc.freenode.net to get this sorted? I probably need specifics on your
gmail setup. 

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Re: [opensuse] Automating the NFS mount

2007-05-09 Thread Dave Howorth
Mohamed Haidar wrote:
 Hello all, I finally got the nfs service to work. In retrospect i see
 that it was kind of  trivial but for  a newbe nothing really is. My
 question now is how to make the hole process automated. I have tried to
 add the line
  ip:folder /mnt/folder nfs rw,no_root_squash 0 0
 to my fstab but with no result. I still have to manually mount the
 folder at startup.
  Thx for your help everybody.

Mohamed

I agree with everybody else who has suggested that you reconfigure your
network to use local addresses and to not expose NFS to the Internet.

I see that you have used the option 'no_root_squash':

(1) Please note that this is an option for /etc/exports , *not* /etc/fstab

(2) Using this option is normally a bad idea (that's why it's not the
default). It's usually better to change your configuration and/or usage
so that you avoid having to use that option. Ask the list for advice if
you have a specific reason for using it.

(3) Using this option on a mount exposed to the Internet is a REALLY
REALLY BAD IDEA. Don't do it!

Please remember that there are a lot of machines out there that are just
scanning the net looking for weak systems. If you're a newbie, PLEASE
take people's advice and be safe. Reconfigure your system.

Cheers,
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[opensuse] Configuring the yast online update

2007-05-09 Thread Anil Kalasa

Hi All,

  I have to configure a server in our local network for online
update, can any one help me how to do that? from the scratch.

any help would be appreciated.

Thanks and regards
Anil
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[opensuse] hi all

2007-05-09 Thread Munkii
this is just a test message, as i couldn't send emails to the
mailinglists before, please ignore =)

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[opensuse] Postfix + Cyrus IMAP + MySQL won't work :-(

2007-05-09 Thread Martin Mielke
Hi all,

I followed the instructions under 
http://www.delouw.ch/linux/Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO/html/index.html to 
set up Postfix + Cyrus IMAP + MySQL.

Before posting here I was searching for a solution but couldn't find it, so 
maybe someone here could shed some light...

After setting everything up I wanted to test the whole scenario...
It doesn't seem to work, though...

These are the relevant error lines taken from /var/log/mail when sending one 
single email from root to my newly created email account:

---
May  9 13:05:27 v601 sendmail[13720]: l49B5RoD013720: from=root, size=60, 
class=0, nrcpts=2, msgid=[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
May  9 13:05:27 v601 postfix/smtpd[13721]: connect from 
v601.myemaildomain.com[127.0.0.1]
May  9 13:05:27 v601 postfix/smtpd[13721]: 081342C0168: 
client=v601.myemaildomain.com[127.0.0.1], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
May  9 13:05:27 v601 postfix/cleanup[13725]: 081342C0168: message-id=[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
May  9 13:05:27 v601 postfix/qmgr[13497]: 081342C0168: from=[EMAIL 
PROTECTED], size=536, nrcpt=2 (queue active)
May  9 13:05:27 v601 sendmail[13720]: l49B5RoD013720: [EMAIL PROTECTED],., 
ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=60060, 
relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: queued as 081342C0168)
May  9 13:05:27 v601 postfix/smtpd[13721]: disconnect from 
v601.myemaildomain.com[127.0.0.1]
May  9 13:05:27 v601 master[13733]: about to exec /usr/lib/cyrus-imapd/lmtpd
May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: executed
May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: accepted connection
May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: lmtp connection preauth'd as postman
May  9 13:05:27 v601 master[13735]: about to exec /usr/lib/cyrus-imapd/lmtpd
May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: verify_user(user.^) failed: Mailbox does 
not exist
May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: accepted connection
May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: lmtp connection preauth'd as postman
May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: 
verify_user(user.martin^mielke^myemaildomain^com) failed: Mailbox does not exist
May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13735]: executed
May  9 13:05:27 v601 postfix/pipe[13731]: 081342C0168: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], 
orig_to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=cyrus, delay=0.08, delays=0.05/0.01/0/0.02, 
dsn=5.6.0, status=bounced (data format error. Command output: 
martin.mielke.myemaildomain.com: Mailbox does not exist )
May  9 13:05:28 v601 postfix/pipe[13730]: 081342C0168: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], 
relay=cyrus, delay=1.1, delays=0.05/0.01/0/1.1, dsn=5.6.0, status=bounced (data 
format error. Command output: .: Mailbox does not exist )
May  9 13:05:28 v601 postfix/cleanup[13725]: 20A4E2C016C: message-id=[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
May  9 13:05:28 v601 postfix/bounce[13736]: 081342C0168: sender non-delivery 
notification: 20A4E2C016C
May  9 13:05:28 v601 postfix/qmgr[13497]: 20A4E2C016C: from=, size=2805, 
nrcpt=1 (queue active)
May  9 13:05:28 v601 postfix/qmgr[13497]: 081342C0168: removed
May  9 13:05:28 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: accepted connection
May  9 13:05:28 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: lmtp connection preauth'd as postman
May  9 13:05:28 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: verify_user(user.root) failed: Mailbox 
does not exist
May  9 13:05:28 v601 postfix/pipe[13731]: 20A4E2C016C: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], 
relay=cyrus, delay=0.01, delays=0/0/0/0, dsn=5.6.0, status=bounced (data format 
error. Command output: root: Mailbox does not exist )
May  9 13:05:28 v601 postfix/qmgr[13497]: 20A4E2C016C: removed
May  9 13:06:08 v601 master[13347]: process 13714 exited, status 0
May  9 13:06:28 v601 master[13347]: process 13733 exited, status 0
May  9 13:21:55 v601 master[13808]: about to exec 
/usr/lib/cyrus-imapd/ctl_cyrusdb

---


In the meantime I'll re-read and re-check one more time the whole process... 
although I'm close to have all in my mind already :-/


TIA,
Martin




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Re: [opensuse] RE: Current Kernal handeling of multi core 64bit Processors

2007-05-09 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Tuesday 08 May 2007 17:29, Registration Account wrote:
 Carlos,
 Exactly the response I was looking for. After having to deal with the
 appalling memory management of other PC  O/S you have answered the
 question perfectly.

 However, I now need to know is there a process that removes items
 from cache after a period of time or will available memory be used to
 cache continually without being flushed.

The best advice to those worrying about Linux's memory management is: 
Don't!

Linux does a great job or managing the available RAM and few people need 
to tinker with any parameters governing its memory management.


 Now my query comes down to unused cache flush time and
 flush cache due to processing demands determination

Why? What application mix are you running that's so unusual and / or 
critical in its memory requirements?

Are you actually experiencing problems you think relate to this 
characteristics?


 Thanks
 Scott


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[opensuse] OpenSUSE PuTTY ?

2007-05-09 Thread Jonathan Arnold
Is there an openSUSE 10.2 package source for the PuTTY package?

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html

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Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE PuTTY ?

2007-05-09 Thread Sunny

On 5/9/07, Jonathan Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Is there an openSUSE 10.2 package source for the PuTTY package?

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html



putty is windows only client AFAIK.

you have ssh and sftp natevely in opensuse.

if you need GUI, use kssh. and for sftp, in konqueror just type:
sftp://[EMAIL PROTECTED] It will ask for password.

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Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE PuTTY ?

2007-05-09 Thread Clayton

Is there an openSUSE 10.2 package source for the PuTTY package?

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html


I'm curious why you would need PuTTY for SUSE.  OpenSSH does the exact
same thing (from your standard Terminal).


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[opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE PuTTY ?

2007-05-09 Thread Jonathan Arnold
Clayton wrote:
 Is there an openSUSE 10.2 package source for the PuTTY package?

 http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html
 
 I'm curious why you would need PuTTY for SUSE.  OpenSSH does the exact
 same thing (from your standard Terminal).

PuTTY lets you set up all kinds of special options, tied to which host
you are connecting to. So you can set special backgrounds, etc. It also
remembers connection info, does port forwarding, allows terminal customization
for each host, etc. Now perhaps it can all be done using other tools, but
it's a pretty powerful GUI for all this, and provides a Unix build.
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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE PuTTY ?

2007-05-09 Thread Clayton

PuTTY lets you set up all kinds of special options, tied to which host
you are connecting to. So you can set special backgrounds, etc. It also
remembers connection info, does port forwarding, allows terminal customization
for each host, etc. Now perhaps it can all be done using other tools, but
it's a pretty powerful GUI for all this, and provides a Unix build.


As Sunny mentioned, you can use kssh it's been several years since
I had to use PuTTY in Windows, so I can't remember if kssh has
similar/all the options available to PuTTY.  It has most of them :-)


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[opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE PuTTY ?

2007-05-09 Thread Jonathan Arnold
Sunny wrote:
 On 5/9/07, Jonathan Arnold
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is there an openSUSE 10.2 package source for the PuTTY package?

 http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html

 
 putty is windows only client AFAIK.
 
 you have ssh and sftp natevely in opensuse.
 
 if you need GUI, use kssh. and for sftp, in konqueror just type:
 sftp://[EMAIL PROTECTED] It will ask for password.

I don't see kssh anywhere.

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[opensuse] Burning dvd size mismatch.

2007-05-09 Thread Carlos E. R.
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Hash: SHA1


Hi,

I burnt a dvd (non iso) using this command line:

  growisofs -Z /dev/hdc=image

Then, I compared the result:

  cmp /dev/hdc image

and got this:

  cmp: EOF on /Grande/imgs/image

Thus, to check whether everything was saved, I extracted the image from the 
dvd:

  nimrodel:/Grande/imgs # dd if=/dev/hdc of=dvd
  9179712+0 records in
  9179712+0 records out
  4700012544 bytes (4.7 GB) copied, 392.888 s, 12.0 MB/s

and compared the sizes:

  47  image
  4700012544  dvd

Ie, the dvd image extracted from the dvd is slightly bigger. I assume this 
must be some kind of end of track adjustment, but it means that the 
compare fails.

I think I can compare doing this instead:

  nimrodel:/Grande/imgs # cmp --bytes=47  image /dev/hdc

and they match.

I can extract the extra bytes:

  nimrodel:/Grande/imgs # dd if=dvd of=extra skip=4700 ibs=1MB
  0+1 records in
  24+1 records out
  12544 bytes (13 kB) copied, 0.0236522 s, 530 kB/s

and it is all zeroes.



Am I correct, is this to be expected, or am I doing something wrong?


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Re: [opensuse] Configuring the yast online update

2007-05-09 Thread Martin Schlander
Den Wednesday 09 May 2007 14:05:12 skrev Anil Kalasa:
I have to configure a server in our local network for online
 update, can any one help me how to do that? from the scratch.

zypper sa http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/ftp.suse.com/suse/update/10.2/ update

(or another mirror)

done.. 

I'm not sure whether updates can be automated these days, if that's what 
you're looking for.. of course a zypper up -y cronjob could handle most.
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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE PuTTY ?

2007-05-09 Thread Sunny

On 5/9/07, Jonathan Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Sunny wrote:
 On 5/9/07, Jonathan Arnold
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is there an openSUSE 10.2 package source for the PuTTY package?

 http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html


 putty is windows only client AFAIK.

 you have ssh and sftp natevely in opensuse.

 if you need GUI, use kssh. and for sftp, in konqueror just type:
 sftp://[EMAIL PROTECTED] It will ask for password.

I don't see kssh anywhere.



Its on my install media for 10.0.

But, just a simple google for putty opensuse rpm gave me this:
http://en.opensuse.org/Wishlist_Network

Search for putty in this page, and there is a link to the build
service with putty.rpm

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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE PuTTY ?

2007-05-09 Thread chika
 Clayton wrote:

 PuTTY lets you set up all kinds of special options, tied to which host
 you are connecting to. So you can set special backgrounds, etc. It also
 remembers connection info, does port forwarding, allows terminal
 customization
 for each host, etc. Now perhaps it can all be done using other tools, but
 it's stronga pretty powerful GUI for all this/strong, and provides a
Unix build.

why u don't use freeNX from nomachine website(googling it for latest version)


cheers,


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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE PuTTY ?

2007-05-09 Thread Martin Schlander
Den Wednesday 09 May 2007 15:55:17 skrev Jonathan Arnold:
 I don't see kssh anywhere.

a quick search on the brilliant webpin 
http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/index.jsp?searchTerm=ksshdistro=openSUSE_102

says it's in the kde community repo.
http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Community/openSUSE_10.2
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Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE PuTTY ?

2007-05-09 Thread Dylan
On Wednesday 09 May 2007, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
 Is there an openSUSE 10.2 package source for the PuTTY package?

You will find all you need covered by ssh - PuTTY is simply a set of Windows 
utils to provide the same functionality.

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Re: [opensuse] opensuse list server problems [SOLVED]

2007-05-09 Thread Sunny

On 5/9/07, Henne Vogelsang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

On Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 16:26:45, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

 * Sunny [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-08-07 16:19]:
  Since today, on every post I make to opensuse@opensuse.org, I receive
  the message bellow. Is it just me, or a know problem?


 You would probably have better luck addressing:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

This is gmail specific. Can we meet in #opensuse-project on
irc.freenode.net to get this sorted? I probably need specifics on your
gmail setup.

Henne



The problem gone away by itself. This was gmail specific.

Many thanks to Henne for his help.

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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE PuTTY ?

2007-05-09 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Wednesday 09 May 2007 06:55, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
 ...

 I don't see kssh anywhere.

Launch Konsole (but of course, you have Konsole open at all times, 
anyway, don't you?) and press and hold the new tab button at the left 
of the tab bar and select Secure Shell. If you have the menu bar 
active, use the Secure Shell command from the Session menu.

At this point, you'll get a small dialog where you can configure all the 
SSH parameters. Click the Show options button to configure SSH 
parameters, set defaults and to control whether you want the 
constellation of options and host + user names to be saved for future 
use.


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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE PuTTY ?

2007-05-09 Thread Will Stephenson
On Wednesday 09 May 2007 15:53:16 Jonathan Arnold wrote:
 PuTTY lets you set up all kinds of special options, tied to which host
 you are connecting to. So you can set special backgrounds, etc. It also
 remembers connection info, does port forwarding, allows terminal
 customization for each host, etc. Now perhaps it can all be done using
 other tools, but it's a pretty powerful GUI for all this, and provides a
 Unix build. --

With Konsole (in kdebase3) you can create 'sessions' that capture all of this 
information - ssh to a particular host including port forwarding, 
special 'schema' (themes, including backgrounds), and custom terminal 
selection.   The Sessions section of chapter 2 of the Konsole handbook 
explains how to do this in detail.

Will

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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE PuTTY ?

2007-05-09 Thread James Watkins
On Wednesday 09 May 2007 15:16, Randall R Schulz wrote:

 Launch Konsole (but of course, you have Konsole open at all times, 
 anyway, don't you?) and press and hold the new tab button at the left 
 of the tab bar and select Secure Shell. If you have the menu bar 
 active, use the Secure Shell command from the Session menu.
 
 At this point, you'll get a small dialog where you can configure all the 
 SSH parameters. Click the Show options button to configure SSH 
 parameters, set defaults and to control whether you want the 
 constellation of options and host + user names to be saved for future 
 use.

Sounds great, any idea why I don't have the Secure Shell option in my 
Konsole? Is it some kind of plug-in that I'm missing?
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[opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE PuTTY ?

2007-05-09 Thread Jonathan Arnold
chika wrote:
 Clayton wrote:

 PuTTY lets you set up all kinds of special options, tied to which host
 you are connecting to. So you can set special backgrounds, etc. It also
 remembers connection info, does port forwarding, allows terminal
 customization
 for each host, etc. Now perhaps it can all be done using other tools, but
 it's stronga pretty powerful GUI for all this/strong, and provides a
 Unix build.
 
 why u don't use freeNX from nomachine website(googling it for latest version)

I think it needs to run on the remote machine too, and I don't have any control
over that.

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Re: [opensuse] Re: How do I remove openSUSE?

2007-05-09 Thread chika
 That woks as long as you also rewrite the MBR to remove GRUB.  If you
 wipe the partition that has Linux on it without also removing GRUB,
 your computer will not be bootable until you find a way to rebuild the
 MBR (personal experience speaking).  GRUB will fail with an error
 about missing partitions, and you won't get as far as the selection
 menu.

can u gimme about the detail about removing grub from my box so that if i
have 2 os when have plan to remove linux i don't get trouble when i start
the other os?
because i always get bad experience about removing grub(esp when i use
windows n linux) can openSUSE cd 1 (starter cd) do that safely for me?


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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE PuTTY ?

2007-05-09 Thread Michael Nelson
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 03:31:28PM +0100, James Watkins wrote:

 Sounds great, any idea why I don't have the Secure Shell option in my 
 Konsole? Is it some kind of plug-in that I'm missing?

I don't have it either with Konsole v1.6.6 under KDE 3.5.6 release 25.2.

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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE PuTTY ?

2007-05-09 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Wednesday 09 May 2007 07:31, James Watkins wrote:
 On Wednesday 09 May 2007 15:16, Randall R Schulz wrote:
  Launch Konsole (but of course, you have Konsole open at all times,
  anyway, don't you?) and press and hold the new tab button at the
  left of the tab bar and select Secure Shell. If you have the menu
  bar active, use the Secure Shell command from the Session menu.
 
  ...

 Sounds great, any idea why I don't have the Secure Shell option in
 my Konsole? Is it some kind of plug-in that I'm missing?

Probably.

On my system, a 10.0 installation, it probably originates in this 
package:

% rpm -qa |egrep -i kssh
kssh-0.7-790


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[opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE PuTTY ?

2007-05-09 Thread Jonathan Arnold
Martin Schlander wrote:
 Den Wednesday 09 May 2007 15:55:17 skrev Jonathan Arnold:
 I don't see kssh anywhere.
 
 a quick search on the brilliant webpin 

Nice! Immediately added to my Firefox quicksearches.

 says it's in the kde community repo.
 http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Community/openSUSE_10.2

I'm a little hesitant to add Yet Another Repository to YaST, as it takes
forever to start up the software manager as it is. But what the heck.

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[Fwd: Re: [opensuse] opensuse list server problems [SOLVED]]

2007-05-09 Thread Munkii
 Forwarded Message 
 From: Sunny [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: opensuse@opensuse.org
 Subject: Re: [opensuse] opensuse list server problems [SOLVED]
 Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 09:13:44 -0500
 
 On 5/9/07, Henne Vogelsang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi,
 
  On Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 16:26:45, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
 
   * Sunny [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-08-07 16:19]:
Since today, on every post I make to opensuse@opensuse.org, I receive
the message bellow. Is it just me, or a know problem?
  
  
   You would probably have better luck addressing:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  This is gmail specific. Can we meet in #opensuse-project on
  irc.freenode.net to get this sorted? I probably need specifics on your
  gmail setup.
 
  Henne
 
 
 The problem gone away by itself. This was gmail specific.
 
 Many thanks to Henne for his help.
 
 Cheers

works here too.. well, i hope, this's just a test! 

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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE PuTTY ?

2007-05-09 Thread Clayton

I'm a little hesitant to add Yet Another Repository to YaST, as it takes
forever to start up the software manager as it is. But what the heck.


That's why most of use use Smart instead :-)

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[opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE PuTTY ?

2007-05-09 Thread Jonathan Arnold
Randall R Schulz wrote:
 On Wednesday 09 May 2007 06:55, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
 ...

 I don't see kssh anywhere.
 
 Launch Konsole (but of course, you have Konsole open at all times, 
 anyway, don't you?) and press and hold the new tab button at the left 
 of the tab bar and select Secure Shell. If you have the menu bar 
 active, use the Secure Shell command from the Session menu.

Actually, I usually don't as I run a shell from within Emacs. But I don't
see a Secure Shell option on my Konsole. Maybe because I don't have kssh
installed? Let's see what happens once I install it

Yup, now it is an option. Looks good!

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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE PuTTY ?

2007-05-09 Thread G T Smith
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Jonathan Arnold wrote:
 chika wrote:
 Clayton wrote:

 PuTTY lets you set up all kinds of special options, tied to which host
 you are connecting to. So you can set special backgrounds, etc. It also
 remembers connection info, does port forwarding, allows terminal
 customization
 for each host, etc. Now perhaps it can all be done using other tools, but
 it's stronga pretty powerful GUI for all this/strong, and provides a
 Unix build.

 why u don't use freeNX from nomachine website(googling it for latest version)
 
 I think it needs to run on the remote machine too, and I don't have any 
 control
 over that.
 

The ssh daemon on the host machine is usually activated by default, have
a look at the man page (man ssh) for ssh capabilities...

As a taster to open a remote session in a new window in any konsole
session enter...

ssh -Xf servername command

will work if you have configured X to accept remote sessions on the
server. This will log you in with the current username and run command
(xterm will give a new terminal)...

ssh -Xf username@servername command

will log you in as username on server servername. BTW Do not attempt
to login as root. Login and su to root...

In both cases you will get a certificate dialog the first time you
login. But this will set up the ssh session as a background process,
retaining your local console. If command is a script you can do some
rather interesting things...

PuTTY versions exist for Windows and Symbian OS and other system that
have very little ssh support. It has nothing like the potential
functionality of the *NIX ssh interface, because you can get the
functionality of the host X desktop (within some limits). Effectively
your machine becomes an X-Terminal, but retaining local functionality,...

Windows users should explore Cygwin as this will allow you to run ssh
and do things like run YaST on a Windows desktop... (can confuse a few
people :-) )


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[opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE PuTTY ?

2007-05-09 Thread Jonathan Arnold
G T Smith wrote:
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 Jonathan Arnold wrote:
 chika wrote:
 Clayton wrote:

 PuTTY lets you set up all kinds of special options, tied to which host
 you are connecting to. So you can set special backgrounds, etc. It also
 remembers connection info, does port forwarding, allows terminal
 customization
 for each host, etc. Now perhaps it can all be done using other tools, but
 it's stronga pretty powerful GUI for all this/strong, and provides a
 Unix build.

 why u don't use freeNX from nomachine website(googling it for latest 
 version)
 I think it needs to run on the remote machine too, and I don't have any 
 control
 over that.

 
 The ssh daemon on the host machine is usually activated by default, have
 a look at the man page (man ssh) for ssh capabilities...

I meant the FreeNX server, not ssh. ssh works just fine.

 
 As a taster to open a remote session in a new window in any konsole
 session enter...
 
 ssh -Xf servername command

Yeah, I did track down the -X option. Didn't try the -f option though. That's
why I like the idea of a GUI front end to ssh, like kssh.

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[opensuse] Remote Desktop failing

2007-05-09 Thread David Barr

Client:
Windows XP  Reflection X
Firewall off for testing.

Server:
OpenSuSE 10.2  gdm
Firewall off for testing.
DISPLAYMANAGER_REMOTE_ACCESS yes
DISPLAYMANAGER_ROOT_LOGIN_REMOTE no
DISPLAYMANAGER_STARTS_XSERVER yes
DISPLAYMANAGER_XSERVER_TCP_PORT_6000_OPEN yes

Attempts to start a remote desktop via RefX fail. Telnet tests to  
port 6000 time out.


I can open an xterm via RX without a problem. I can get a CDE desktop  
from a Sun box without a problem. Attempts to get a GDM desktop from  
the SuSE box hang and time out.


What am I missing?

Thanks!
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[opensuse] Re: 10.0 freezes after the latest xorg updates

2007-05-09 Thread Joachim Schrod

Sunny wrote:

On 5/8/07, Joachim Schrod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

So, did you try to downgrade the xorg packages?

You can get the previous versions from the update archives, e.g., from
ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/ftp.suse.com/suse/x86_64/update/10.0/rpm/x86_64/ 


You'll probably need to downgrade xorg-x11-libs and
xorg-x11-server. (I can't say it exactly, since I don't have a
x86_64 system -- but on my i586 system these were the recent xorg
updates.)

That should give you an opportunity to verify your hypothesis that
your problem is cause by the xorg update.

Joachim


Hmmm, there I find only 6.8.2-100, which is what I currently have. I
need the previous version.


You're missing one number in your version.

The most current version is xorg-x11-server-6.8.2-100.12.x86_64.rpm
(Note the .12 after -100.) The previous ones were 
xorg-x11-server-6.8.2-100.10.x86_64.rpm and 
xorg-x11-server-6.8.2-100.7.x86_64.rpm


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Re: [opensuse] opensuse list server problems

2007-05-09 Thread Henne Vogelsang
Hi,

On Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 13:16:02, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
 On Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 16:26:45, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
 
  * Sunny [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-08-07 16:19]:
   Since today, on every post I make to opensuse@opensuse.org, I receive
   the message bellow. Is it just me, or a know problem?
  
  
  You would probably have better luck addressing:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 This is gmail specific. Can we meet in #opensuse-project on
 irc.freenode.net to get this sorted? I probably need specifics on your
 gmail setup. 

This is absolutely gmail specific. Looks like they had way to many hops
in the delivery chain. It is gone now. I could up the limit of hops in
our postfix configuration but its at a reasonable number now and i
really dont want real loops to happen.

Looks like you have to live with it.

Henne

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Re: [opensuse] RE: Current Kernal handeling of multi core 64bit Processors

2007-05-09 Thread M Harris
On Tuesday 08 May 2007 19:29, Registration Account wrote:
 However, I now need to know is there a process that removes items from
 cache after a period of time or will available memory be used to cache
 continually without being flushed.
The other answers you have received are correct, and very good answers. 
The 
tiny bit I will add is that viewing the memory from top for from free can 
be a little deceptive. Yes, there are very highly efficient kernel routines 
that maintain your memory... and they work very well, as Randall said. 
However, they *do not* free up memory in large chunks that you can *see* 
typically.  The kernel uses free available memory for cache and other 
purposes and efficiently balances that with system and user demand, swap, 
etc. So, if you have 512M of ram, you will notice that it is mostly used... 
maybe swap is used, maybe not.   If you have 1024M of ram you will notice 
that its mostly used...  in other words, the kernel is going to use the 
memory you give to it... and you don't need to do *anything* to interfere 
with the processing.  :)  
Run top from konsole and then give it the s command and change the 
processing update to  .5  (thats point five).   and then watch the 
buffers, cache, main ram etc 




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[opensuse] Who to reduce amount of log files (syslog-ng)

2007-05-09 Thread Johannes Nohl

As far as I could see postfix is logged via syslog. It's amount of
output drive's me crazy. I would like to turn off all info and keep
warn and error.


Is it right that /var/log/mail is a summary of mail.info, mail.warn
and mail.err?


Btw it's a 10.0 machine.
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[opensuse] Re: cron problems

2007-05-09 Thread Joachim Schrod

G T Smith wrote:

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Mohamed Haidar wrote:

Hello guys, I have a problem with cron. I got a program for updating my
ip to a internet dns host and i set it up correctly. The program  works.
Now with the program came a file  that i putt in the /etc/cron.d dir
because the program instructed me to do that. Basically  what I want to
do is to let the program run once a minute. The file I putt in the
cron.d dir contains these entries :

 * *   * * *   root/usr/bin/ipdetect.sh
 */15 *  * * *   root/usr/bin/ipdetect.sh -p host -r browser -c


The above lines should be either be added to the /etc/crontab file.


Please be careful: Mohamed's approach of creating a file with that 
content in /etc/cron.d/ is perfectly valid, and this is also the 
right syntax for these files (with the user). Therefore, it 
*should* work, and we need more information to debug his problem.


Cron reads more than /etc/crontab and the personal crontab files, 
it also reads /etc/cron.d/*, as explained in the 2nd paragraph of 
man cron.


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Re: [opensuse] Remote Desktop failing

2007-05-09 Thread David Barr
I neglected to mention that I can get in with TWM and FVWM. GDM is  
the only desktop manager that times out.


On May 9, 2007, at 08:22, David Barr wrote:


Client:
Windows XP  Reflection X
Firewall off for testing.

Server:
OpenSuSE 10.2  gdm
Firewall off for testing.
DISPLAYMANAGER_REMOTE_ACCESS yes
DISPLAYMANAGER_ROOT_LOGIN_REMOTE no
DISPLAYMANAGER_STARTS_XSERVER yes
DISPLAYMANAGER_XSERVER_TCP_PORT_6000_OPEN yes

Attempts to start a remote desktop via RefX fail. Telnet tests to  
port 6000 time out.


I can open an xterm via RX without a problem. I can get a CDE  
desktop from a Sun box without a problem. Attempts to get a GDM  
desktop from the SuSE box hang and time out.


What am I missing?

Thanks!
David


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[opensuse] Re: cron problems

2007-05-09 Thread Joachim Schrod

G T Smith wrote:



cron logs via syslog; there should be log records about the start of
each job in /var/log/messages. The exception is when your crontab line
starts with - (a hyphen), then job start logging is turned off. (In


Oddly this is not happening on my system, the hyphen is there but job
start logging is still being performed.


Does

grep '/usr/sbin/cron.*run-crons' /var/log/messages

really shows that cron logs each start of run-crons?
Which SUSE version is this?


The run-crons script explicitly
sends information to the syslog daemon overriding the above setting, but
successful job reporting is controlled by the $SYSLOG_ON_NO_ERROR
variable.


This variable does not exist in 10.0, which Mohamed uses. There, 
run-crons only logs errors (with logger).



It looks as
if the majority of the standard SuSE scripts explicitly log their status.


I have to admit that I don't understand that sentence. At my 10.0 
installation, execution of the cron.daily scripts is _not_ logged. 
All other cron jobs are logged by cron, and not by the scripts 
themselves. Is this different in your SUSE installation?


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Re: [opensuse] RE: Current Kernal handeling of multi core 64bit Processors

2007-05-09 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Wednesday 09 May 2007 09:04, M Harris wrote:
 On Tuesday 08 May 2007 19:29, Registration Account wrote:
  However, I now need to know is there a process that removes items
  from cache after a period of time or will available memory be used
  to cache continually without being flushed.

   The kernel uses
 free available memory for cache and other purposes and efficiently
 balances that with system and user demand, swap, etc.

It's common to hear people unfamiliar with Linux's memory management 
express concern that there is little or no free memory in there system.

The best way to explain this is: Free RAM is wasted RAM!


 ...
   Run top from konsole and then give it the s command and change
 the processing update to  .5  (thats point five).   and then
 watch the buffers, cache, main ram etc

I like the System Monitor panel applet available in KDE. To activate 
it (if you use KDE), right click in the panel and select Add Applet to 
Panel... and select System Monitor. This applet shows three columns, 
CPU use, RAM use and Swap use. The first two show color-coded 
categories of resource utilization. For CPU it's kernel, user, nice, 
and I/O wait and for RAM, kernel, application, buffer and cache. You 
can customize the colors.


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Re: [opensuse] NVIDIA drivers

2007-05-09 Thread Simon Lewis
Hello All

I sometimes feel that this debate is a long way away from reality...

PCs as we know then today have a visual interface, this ultimately means
that video cards and their driver are unavoidable hardware/firmware.

I could understand a moral standpoint from the kernel developers if they
insisted that all Linux distributions using their kernel should not
permit unfair competition between video card manufacturers. This would
make sense in the real world we live in. But this is not the case...

Instead, the argument is over whether the video card manufactures are
stealing the kernel developers property, when in fact the video driver
manufactures are allowing the kernel manufactures to widely distribute
the Linux kernel to the mass users... Without the video drivers no one
could use the Linux kernel...

It would be interesting to know which video driver each of the kernel
developers use when they themselves do not permit the distribution of
the video drivers..?

Simon.


Matthias Hopf schrieb:
 On May 08, 07 11:47:44 +0200, Jan Tiggy wrote:
   
 the problem is the kernel license.
   
 So you're saying that the drivers are in direct violation with GPL2?
 

 Many kernel developers say: Yes.
 Few say: No.
 Quite some say: Don't care.

 This hasn't been brought up to court, thus any claim that it is a direct
 violation is just that: a claim.
 We make business with distributing the Linux kernel, we cannot risk
 being sued. Nvidia can.

 Matthias

   

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Re: [opensuse] cron issue

2007-05-09 Thread Nick Jones

Sorry, I had discarded my reply and started another one and forgot to
include the opensuse list (DOH!).

I will uninstall kpowersave, good idea.

Thanks alot for the advice.

Nick

On 5/9/07, Joachim Schrod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 NJ == Nick Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Maybe the check for ac-power is wrong, or whatever.
NJ It is a tower.  This below here looks fishy.  If either of those 1's
NJ is the exit status of the function on_ac_power then HAL is screwed up
NJ or something.
NJ + test -x /usr/bin/on_ac_power
NJ + on_ac_power -q
NJ + '[' 1 = 1 ']'
NJ + exit 0
NJ + rm -rf /tmp/run-crons.lp9846

Well, that's the cause of your problems:

   on_ac_power -q

returns with the exit code 1. If this is not a laptop in battery mode,
it should return with an exit code 0.

But now we're at the end of the stuff that I know -- it will be better
to send your last response to me again to the opensuse mailing list.
(In fact, it is always better to send responses to the list; so that
others in your situation can look up the answer in the archives as
well.) Perhaps somebody else on the list can tell you why
/usr/bin/on_ac_power returns with a wrong result.

Of course, as a quick workaround, you can use
 chmod -x /usr/bin/on_ac_power
But this might break again if some update package appears for
powersave.

Or, if your system is not a laptop, you might want to remove the
package powersave (and kpowersave) and get rid of the whole problem. :-)

Best,
   Joachim

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Re: [opensuse] cron issue

2007-05-09 Thread Joachim Schrod
 NJ == Nick Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

NJ Sorry, I had discarded my reply and started another one and forgot to
NJ include the opensuse list (DOH!).

No problem, may happen to all of us. Just let not start another one of
the endless Reply-To threads. ;-) ;-)

NJ I will uninstall kpowersave, good idea.

And powersave, too. (It contains the defective program.) kpowersave is
just an obvious reverse dependency that apt told me about.

Joachim

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Re: [opensuse] Re: cron problems

2007-05-09 Thread Joachim Schrod
 MH == Mohamed Haidar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
MH Joachim Schrod wrote:

Mohamed,

Please send your responses to the list, and not to me personally. This
way, others with similar problems can look up the discussion in the
list archives. If I know an answer, I will post it there as well. If I
don't know one or if I make errors in my recommendations, somebody
else can step in and point that out.

 cron logs via syslog; there should be log records about the start of each 
 job in /var/log/messages. The exception is when your crontab line starts 
 with - (a hyphen), then job start logging is turned off. (In fact, when 
 your ipdetect cron job really works, you might want to turn off job start 
 logging that way.)
 
 If there are no respective log entries, execute touch /etc/cron.d to be 
 on the save side.
 cron detects changes in files in cron.d only if the timestamp of the 
 directory /etc/cron.d changes as well. Alternatively, call rccron 
 restart.
 
 After touching cron.d, there must be log entry that cron re-read the 
 crontab files, maybe one or two minutes later.
 
 Your crontab syntax itself is OK, that's not the cause.
 
MH It just refuses to work, I tried the above with no result, and also :
MH crontab /etc/cron.d/IPdetect

That does not work. The syntax for (1) files in /etc/cron.d/ and (2)
files that are passed to the crontab command is different. (1) has the
userid in it, before the command, (2) has just the command.

MH Am I missing something here. Could you give me an idiots step by step
MH guide to how you would go about from scratch.

First thing: Does

  grep cron /var/log/messages

output some (or many) lines?

If no, you need to tell us (with an email to the list, not to me ;-). 
Then the investigation has to take a completely different path.

If yes, cron is running. Then, does

  grep -i 'cron.*ipdetect' /var/log/messages

output anything?


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Re: [opensuse] Postfix + Cyrus IMAP + MySQL won't work :-(

2007-05-09 Thread G T Smith
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Martin Mielke wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I followed the instructions under 
 http://www.delouw.ch/linux/Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO/html/index.html to 
 set up Postfix + Cyrus IMAP + MySQL.
 
 Before posting here I was searching for a solution but couldn't find it, so 
 maybe someone here could shed some light...
 
 After setting everything up I wanted to test the whole scenario...
 It doesn't seem to work, though...
 
 These are the relevant error lines taken from /var/log/mail when sending one 
 single email from root to my newly created email account:
 
 ---
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 sendmail[13720]: l49B5RoD013720: from=root, size=60, 
 class=0, nrcpts=2, msgid=[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 postfix/smtpd[13721]: connect from 
 v601.myemaildomain.com[127.0.0.1]
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 postfix/smtpd[13721]: 081342C0168: 
 client=v601.myemaildomain.com[127.0.0.1], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 postfix/cleanup[13725]: 081342C0168: message-id=[EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 postfix/qmgr[13497]: 081342C0168: from=[EMAIL 
 PROTECTED], size=536, nrcpt=2 (queue active)
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 sendmail[13720]: l49B5RoD013720: [EMAIL PROTECTED],., 
 ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=60060, 
 relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: queued as 
 081342C0168)
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 postfix/smtpd[13721]: disconnect from 
 v601.myemaildomain.com[127.0.0.1]
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 master[13733]: about to exec /usr/lib/cyrus-imapd/lmtpd
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: executed
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: accepted connection
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: lmtp connection preauth'd as postman
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 master[13735]: about to exec /usr/lib/cyrus-imapd/lmtpd
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: verify_user(user.^) failed: Mailbox 
 does not exist
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: accepted connection
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: lmtp connection preauth'd as postman
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: 
 verify_user(user.martin^mielke^myemaildomain^com) failed: Mailbox does not 
 exist
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13735]: executed
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 postfix/pipe[13731]: 081342C0168: to=[EMAIL 
 PROTECTED], orig_to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=cyrus, delay=0.08, 
 delays=0.05/0.01/0/0.02, dsn=5.6.0, status=bounced (data format error. 
 Command output: martin.mielke.myemaildomain.com: Mailbox does not exist )
 May  9 13:05:28 v601 postfix/pipe[13730]: 081342C0168: to=[EMAIL 
 PROTECTED], relay=cyrus, delay=1.1, delays=0.05/0.01/0/1.1, dsn=5.6.0, 
 status=bounced (data format error. Command output: .: Mailbox does not exist )
 May  9 13:05:28 v601 postfix/cleanup[13725]: 20A4E2C016C: message-id=[EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]
 May  9 13:05:28 v601 postfix/bounce[13736]: 081342C0168: sender non-delivery 
 notification: 20A4E2C016C
 May  9 13:05:28 v601 postfix/qmgr[13497]: 20A4E2C016C: from=, size=2805, 
 nrcpt=1 (queue active)
 May  9 13:05:28 v601 postfix/qmgr[13497]: 081342C0168: removed
 May  9 13:05:28 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: accepted connection
 May  9 13:05:28 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: lmtp connection preauth'd as postman
 May  9 13:05:28 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: verify_user(user.root) failed: Mailbox 
 does not exist
 May  9 13:05:28 v601 postfix/pipe[13731]: 20A4E2C016C: to=[EMAIL 
 PROTECTED], relay=cyrus, delay=0.01, delays=0/0/0/0, dsn=5.6.0, 
 status=bounced (data format error. Command output: root: Mailbox does not 
 exist )
 May  9 13:05:28 v601 postfix/qmgr[13497]: 20A4E2C016C: removed
 May  9 13:06:08 v601 master[13347]: process 13714 exited, status 0
 May  9 13:06:28 v601 master[13347]: process 13733 exited, status 0
 May  9 13:21:55 v601 master[13808]: about to exec 
 /usr/lib/cyrus-imapd/ctl_cyrusdb
 
 ---
 
 
 In the meantime I'll re-read and re-check one more time the whole process... 
 although I'm close to have all in my mind already :-/
 
 
 TIA,
 Martin
 
 
 
 
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Re: [opensuse] RE: Current Kernal handeling of multi core 64bit Processors

2007-05-09 Thread M Harris
On Wednesday 09 May 2007 11:21, Randall R Schulz wrote:
 I like the System Monitor panel applet available in KDE. To activate
 it (if you use KDE), right click in the panel and select Add Applet to
 Panel... and select System Monitor. This applet shows three columns,
 CPU use, RAM use and Swap use. The first two show color-coded
 categories of resource utilization. For CPU it's kernel, user, nice,
 and I/O wait and for RAM, kernel, application, buffer and cache. You
 can customize the colors.
'ey thanks!  You know, as much playing with kde as I do--- and I missed 
that 
one... very nice.  I notice that right clicking on the colored bars gives me 
a configuration menu--- and hovering over the panel applet with the mouse 
also provides a real-time text update as well.  heh.. I just pegged the cpu 
bars by grabbing the top of my mail editor and moving it around the screen a 
bit...  isn't it just amazing that most of the time linux just sits there 
idle waiting to be almost 100% useful? Its got it all... fabulous resource 
management... and its fun too.  I'm tempted to launch into a joyful 
hyperbole, but I spare y'all...



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[opensuse] Can't .configure

2007-05-09 Thread Caisa Persdotter
I had to reinstall Suse 10.2 after a hardware upgrade. And suddenly I
can't compile programs. Here's the out put:

 drivel-2.0.3  ./configure
-bash: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied

Can somebody help?

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Re: [opensuse] Can't .configure

2007-05-09 Thread David Bolt
On Wed, 9 May 2007, Caisa Persdotter wrote:-

I had to reinstall Suse 10.2 after a hardware upgrade. And suddenly I
can't compile programs. Here's the out put:

 drivel-2.0.3  ./configure
-bash: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied

Can somebody help?

chmod 755 configure

And if that doesn't help, check and make sure the configure script has
UNIX line endings (LF) not DOS line endings (CRLF).


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Re: [opensuse] Re: cron problems

2007-05-09 Thread G T Smith
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Joachim Schrod wrote:
 G T Smith wrote:

 cron logs via syslog; there should be log records about the start of
 each job in /var/log/messages. The exception is when your crontab line
 starts with - (a hyphen), then job start logging is turned off. (In

 Oddly this is not happening on my system, the hyphen is there but job
 start logging is still being performed.
 
 Does
 
 grep '/usr/sbin/cron.*run-crons' /var/log/messages

There are entries generated by both /usr/bin/cron and run-crons in my
message log. I have using a modified run-crons under 9.3 and 10.2 (never
went for 10.0 as I rarely touch *.0 releases as I prefer someone else to
find the bugs at that stage :-), unfortunately cannot afford to crock my
machines too badly and I have some bad experiences in the past ) I think
under 9.3 crond logged something, but I would have  dig out old logs to
check whether memory faulty. I prefer to monitor with mail messages as
it is bit easier to flag when something is breaking, usually only check
in message log when expected cron mail does a disappearing act.

 
 really shows that cron logs each start of run-crons?
 Which SUSE version is this?
 
 The run-crons script explicitly
 sends information to the syslog daemon overriding the above setting, but
 successful job reporting is controlled by the $SYSLOG_ON_NO_ERROR
 variable.

To be honest did not notice this until a day or so ago. It also does not
appear in the appropriate YaST sysconfig entry... Having a look at the
/etc/sysconfig/cron file is in my things to do list, as some things are
in one systems entries but not in the others. Now there is the
possibility that this variable was explicitly set when one machine was
upgraded from 9.3 to 10.2...

 
 This variable does not exist in 10.0, which Mohamed uses. There,
 run-crons only logs errors (with logger).
 
 It looks as
 if the majority of the standard SuSE scripts explicitly log their status.
 

That did not come out quite the way I meant :-) , there are some scripts
that seem to return additional info in the log.


 I have to admit that I don't understand that sentence. At my 10.0
 installation, execution of the cron.daily scripts is _not_ logged. All
 other cron jobs are logged by cron, and not by the scripts themselves.
 Is this different in your SUSE installation?
 
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[opensuse] Problem loading GNOME session

2007-05-09 Thread Bikram Chatterjee

Hi,

I am stuck with problem starting SuSE 10.1. The distro is a x86_64.
The system required a WinXp 64bit dual boot :((. The Linux was
pre-installed. After installing WinXp the boot loader required
repairing in order to have XP in chain loading. After that is done
successfully, I am unable to load GNOME though Failsafe GNOME is
loading. The error is telling me that there was session crash after
less than 10sec of previous load, and the error is written at
~/.xsession-errors it also suggested that after the error is fixed I
can get the system back (no need to reinstall :) ). The said file has:

--- paste start 
/etc/opt/gnome/gdm/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with
wtmp and utmp
/etc/opt/gnome/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/bin/X11/sessreg
-a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers -h
 -l :0 root
/etc/X11/xim: Checking wether an input method should be started.
INPUT_METHOD is not set or empty (no user selected input method).
Trying to start a default input method for the locale en_US.UTF-8 ...
There is no default input method for the current locale.
 paste end 

Can anybody please help me with right direction to fix this thing.

Thanks for the help you are going to give me :).
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Re: [opensuse] Postfix + Cyrus IMAP + MySQL won't work :-(

2007-05-09 Thread Sandy Drobic
Martin Mielke wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I followed the instructions under 
 http://www.delouw.ch/linux/Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO/html/index.html to 
 set up Postfix + Cyrus IMAP + MySQL.
 
 Before posting here I was searching for a solution but couldn't find it, so 
 maybe someone here could shed some light...
 
 After setting everything up I wanted to test the whole scenario...
 It doesn't seem to work, though...
 
 These are the relevant error lines taken from /var/log/mail when sending one 
 single email from root to my newly created email account:
 
 ---
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 sendmail[13720]: l49B5RoD013720: from=root, size=60, 
 class=0, nrcpts=2, msgid=[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]

You have a mixed configuration!! This syslog entry was made by Sendmail,
not the compatibility binary of Postfix.

Did you have a previous installation with Sendmail enabled?

The sendmail binary from Postfix logs its entries like

May  9 13:05:27 v601 postfix/pickup[12532]: 41C5B4940E: uid=0 from=root


 May  9 13:05:27 v601 postfix/smtpd[13721]: connect from 
 v601.myemaildomain.com[127.0.0.1]
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 postfix/smtpd[13721]: 081342C0168: 
 client=v601.myemaildomain.com[127.0.0.1], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 postfix/cleanup[13725]: 081342C0168: message-id=[EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 postfix/qmgr[13497]: 081342C0168: from=[EMAIL 
 PROTECTED], size=536, nrcpt=2 (queue active)
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 sendmail[13720]: l49B5RoD013720: [EMAIL PROTECTED],., 
 ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=60060, 
 relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: queued as 
 081342C0168)
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 postfix/smtpd[13721]: disconnect from 
 v601.myemaildomain.com[127.0.0.1]
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 master[13733]: about to exec /usr/lib/cyrus-imapd/lmtpd
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: executed
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: accepted connection
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: lmtp connection preauth'd as postman
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 master[13735]: about to exec /usr/lib/cyrus-imapd/lmtpd
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: verify_user(user.^) failed: Mailbox 
 does not exist
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: accepted connection
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: lmtp connection preauth'd as postman
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: 
 verify_user(user.martin^mielke^myemaildomain^com) failed: Mailbox does not 
 exist

Are you able to use deliver to submit mails to Cyrus? This looks as if
either The mailbox does not exist in Cyrus (verify in cyradm, that the
mailbox was successfully created AND that it has beed created within a
virtual domain.

 May  9 13:05:27 v601 lmtpunix[13735]: executed
 May  9 13:05:27 v601 postfix/pipe[13731]: 081342C0168: to=[EMAIL 
 PROTECTED], orig_to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=cyrus, delay=0.08, 
 delays=0.05/0.01/0/0.02, dsn=5.6.0, status=bounced (data format error. 
 Command output: martin.mielke.myemaildomain.com: Mailbox does not exist )
 May  9 13:05:28 v601 postfix/pipe[13730]: 081342C0168: to=[EMAIL 
 PROTECTED], relay=cyrus, delay=1.1, delays=0.05/0.01/0/1.1, dsn=5.6.0, 
 status=bounced (data format error. Command output: .: Mailbox does not exist )
 May  9 13:05:28 v601 postfix/cleanup[13725]: 20A4E2C016C: message-id=[EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]
 May  9 13:05:28 v601 postfix/bounce[13736]: 081342C0168: sender non-delivery 
 notification: 20A4E2C016C
 May  9 13:05:28 v601 postfix/qmgr[13497]: 20A4E2C016C: from=, size=2805, 
 nrcpt=1 (queue active)
 May  9 13:05:28 v601 postfix/qmgr[13497]: 081342C0168: removed
 May  9 13:05:28 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: accepted connection
 May  9 13:05:28 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: lmtp connection preauth'd as postman
 May  9 13:05:28 v601 lmtpunix[13733]: verify_user(user.root) failed: Mailbox 
 does not exist
 May  9 13:05:28 v601 postfix/pipe[13731]: 20A4E2C016C: to=[EMAIL 
 PROTECTED], relay=cyrus, delay=0.01, delays=0/0/0/0, dsn=5.6.0, 
 status=bounced (data format error. Command output: root: Mailbox does not 
 exist )
 May  9 13:05:28 v601 postfix/qmgr[13497]: 20A4E2C016C: removed

Okay, that address doesn't exist either, so Postfix killed the mail
completely. One more mail has succeeded to reach Digital Nirwana(TM)...

 May  9 13:06:08 v601 master[13347]: process 13714 exited, status 0
 May  9 13:06:28 v601 master[13347]: process 13733 exited, status 0
 May  9 13:21:55 v601 master[13808]: about to exec 
 /usr/lib/cyrus-imapd/ctl_cyrusdb
 
 ---
 
 
 In the meantime I'll re-read and re-check one more time the whole process... 
 although I'm close to have all in my mind already :-/

Without showing the actual configuration no advice can be given.

I suggest you get Cyrus up first, then at least you can deliver mails
safely. Afterwards you should see that Postfix is configured as you need it.

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Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE PuTTY ?

2007-05-09 Thread James Knott

Jonathan Arnold wrote:

Is there an openSUSE 10.2 package source for the PuTTY package?

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html

  


Why would you need it?  Linux already includes ssh and telnet.


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Re: [opensuse] Re: cron problems

2007-05-09 Thread G T Smith
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Joachim Schrod wrote:
 G T Smith wrote:
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 Mohamed Haidar wrote:
 Hello guys, I have a problem with cron. I got a program for updating my
 ip to a internet dns host and i set it up correctly. The program  works.
 Now with the program came a file  that i putt in the /etc/cron.d dir
 because the program instructed me to do that. Basically  what I want to
 do is to let the program run once a minute. The file I putt in the
 cron.d dir contains these entries :

  * *   * * *   root/usr/bin/ipdetect.sh
  */15 *  * * *   root/usr/bin/ipdetect.sh -p host -r browser -c

 The above lines should be either be added to the /etc/crontab file.
 
 Please be careful: Mohamed's approach of creating a file with that
 content in /etc/cron.d/ is perfectly valid, and this is also the right
 syntax for these files (with the user). Therefore, it *should* work, and
 we need more information to debug his problem.
 
 Cron reads more than /etc/crontab and the personal crontab files, it
 also reads /etc/cron.d/*, as explained in the 2nd paragraph of man cron.
 
 Joachim
 

I double checked the man pages. I remember at one time there was a
difference between the syntax for various types of crontab files, but
this seems to have changed and this no longer seem to be the case if the
5 crontab man page is to be believed. /etc/cron.d seems to be rarely
used by anything in SuSE , and seems to be a bit of an anomaly as its
effective role is covered by /etc/crontab and the /etc/cron.time
directories. I presume it is still there for standards related reasons.

There also seems to a lack of clarity in the documentation  about the
default shell used, one part suggests that cron automatically selects
/bin/sh but another that it is obtained from the user account
settings... if the former is the case then the SHELL=/bin/sh statement
in /etc/crontab is redundant unless this is what the statement means
(the question then is do the entries in cron.d inherit the /etc/crontab
settings?). If shell settings are inherited from the user account there
should be no harm in adding the statement, just in case.

BTW the man pages for crontab seem be for 4.1 but the version in use
seems to report itself as V5.0.

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[opensuse] OpenOffice.org 2.2

2007-05-09 Thread Siegfried Wolkenstein
Hello,

is there a SuSE rpm package for OpenOffice.org available? I cannot find one.

There is an error int the OOo 2.1.14.package:

[quote]

this chunk of code should be correct, but it doesn't work as expected.

[code]
oTables = myDocument.getTextTables()
oTable = oTables(0)
tableHeight = oTable.Rows.Count-1
tableWidth = oTable.Columns.Count
[/code]

tableHeight equals 50, but 
tableWidth equals 0 (there are actually 9 columns...).

[/quote]

Thanks.
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Re: [opensuse] Postfix + Cyrus IMAP + MySQL won't work :-(

2007-05-09 Thread Sandy Drobic
G T Smith wrote:
 
 Cyrus has it own mailbox and account structure (it is effectively a mail
 black box with mail stored in a database). I think you need create the
 appropriate cyrus mailbox so that delivery can take place. All postfix
 bit is point postfix delivery to the cyrus mail system. It does not
 really need postfix as it has its own MTA and MDA agents.

A good part of this is at least a bit misleading. (^-^)
I hope you don't mind if I expand a bit on your comment.

Cyrus does indeed not use maildir to store mails, though it may look the
same at first glance. Instead the mails are stored in folders and a few
databases are maintaining the structure and status flags. So the mails are
NOT stored in a database, but the status of the mails is (mailboxes.db,
seen.db, deliver.db etc.).

The valid mailboxes are maintained in mailboxes.db. Before a mailbox can
be used it must be created. This can be done in cyradm or by scripts that
use similar funktions. Both php and perl provide modules where the
neccessary functions are available.

Postfix does indeed not deliver the mail itself, lmtp is used either
directly or through a pipe transport (in Postfix the transport is called
cyrus in master.cf) using the deliver binary from Cyrus. In the end, it
is the same since deliver will also use lmtp to submit the mail to Cyrus.

So the delivery is not done by the Postfix local delivery agent (either
local or virtual).

But Cyrus is a pure imap server, it does not speak smtp, so a MTA (mail
transfer agent) like Postfix, Exim or Sendmail is neccessary. Maybe you
mistook it for Courier. There are two packages available: courier-imap,
the imapserver, and courier-mta, the mailserver package.
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Re: [opensuse] [OT] - Australian extradited to US to stand trial

2007-05-09 Thread Aaron Kulkis

Dave Cotton wrote:

On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 00:53 +0400, Aaron Kulkis wrote:


Which is why i invited the two people who started the political
tangent to shut the fuck up


Which is what I, and probably many others, would like you to do.

Please take your foul language somewhere else.



So Dave, it would be alright with you if I started accusing
you of tolerating war crimes???



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Re: [opensuse] cron issue

2007-05-09 Thread Nick Jones

The on_ac_power in the pm_utils package has a bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=221999#c9

I read this bug awhile ago but did not think it was the issue I was
having (doh! again).  I uninstalled powersaved and now cron seems to
be running my daily job, although it didn't run any other scripts in
cron.daily (MAX_DAILY ???).  Not sure if it is MAX_DAILY because I do
have the daily time set.

I will uninstall pm-utils as well and see if the other scripts like
logrotate get their utimes updated (is utime access time?).

Thanks

Nick


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 NJ == Nick Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

NJ Sorry, I had discarded my reply and started another one and forgot to
NJ include the opensuse list (DOH!).

No problem, may happen to all of us. Just let not start another one of
the endless Reply-To threads. ;-) ;-)

NJ I will uninstall kpowersave, good idea.

And powersave, too. (It contains the defective program.) kpowersave is
just an obvious reverse dependency that apt told me about.

Joachim

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Re: [opensuse] Postfix + Cyrus IMAP + MySQL won't work :-(

2007-05-09 Thread G T Smith
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Sandy Drobic wrote:
 G T Smith wrote:
 Cyrus has it own mailbox and account structure (it is effectively a mail
 black box with mail stored in a database). I think you need create the
 appropriate cyrus mailbox so that delivery can take place. All postfix
 bit is point postfix delivery to the cyrus mail system. It does not
 really need postfix as it has its own MTA and MDA agents.
 
 A good part of this is at least a bit misleading. (^-^)
 I hope you don't mind if I expand a bit on your comment.
 
 Cyrus does indeed not use maildir to store mails, though it may look the
 same at first glance. Instead the mails are stored in folders and a few
 databases are maintaining the structure and status flags. So the mails are
 NOT stored in a database, but the status of the mails is (mailboxes.db,
 seen.db, deliver.db etc.).
 
 The valid mailboxes are maintained in mailboxes.db. Before a mailbox can
 be used it must be created. This can be done in cyradm or by scripts that
 use similar funktions. Both php and perl provide modules where the
 neccessary functions are available.
 
 Postfix does indeed not deliver the mail itself, lmtp is used either
 directly or through a pipe transport (in Postfix the transport is called
 cyrus in master.cf) using the deliver binary from Cyrus. In the end, it
 is the same since deliver will also use lmtp to submit the mail to Cyrus.
 
 So the delivery is not done by the Postfix local delivery agent (either
 local or virtual).
 
 But Cyrus is a pure imap server, it does not speak smtp, so a MTA (mail
 transfer agent) like Postfix, Exim or Sendmail is neccessary. Maybe you
 mistook it for Courier. There are two packages available: courier-imap,
 the imapserver, and courier-mta, the mailserver package.

Lifted of Mullet  Mullet - Managing IMAP - Part III - p107..p108 . read
this thing when establishing which version of IMAP to run with... Took
one look at Cyrus decided was not a runner...
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Re: [opensuse] Can't .configure

2007-05-09 Thread Caisa Persdotter
David Bolt skrev:
 On Wed, 9 May 2007, Caisa Persdotter wrote:-
 
 I had to reinstall Suse 10.2 after a hardware upgrade. And suddenly I
 can't compile programs. Here's the out put:

 drivel-2.0.3  ./configure
 -bash: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied

 Can somebody help?
 
 chmod 755 configure
 
 And if that doesn't help, check and make sure the configure script has
 UNIX line endings (LF) not DOS line endings (CRLF).

Thanks, but it still gives the same message. I've tried to run
./configure in several directories with untared soursces but get the
same result. It worked fine before reinstallation.

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Re: [opensuse] Can't .configure

2007-05-09 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Wednesday 2007-05-09 at 20:35 +0200, Caisa Persdotter wrote:

 Thanks, but it still gives the same message. I've tried to run
 ./configure in several directories with untared soursces but get the
 same result. It worked fine before reinstallation.

Issue the command mount and see if the partition is mounted noexec. If 
so, correct.

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[opensuse] OT Konsole for M$S

2007-05-09 Thread gceruti
Hi 
Anyone aware of a piece of code on M$S that does the same as Konsole with 
multiple Shell sessions within the same Window ?.

Thanks
Gerard
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Re: [opensuse] Burning dvd size mismatch.

2007-05-09 Thread G T Smith
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Carlos E. R. wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I burnt a dvd (non iso) using this command line:
 
   growisofs -Z /dev/hdc=image
 
 Then, I compared the result:
 
   cmp /dev/hdc image
 
 and got this:
 
   cmp: EOF on /Grande/imgs/image
 
 Thus, to check whether everything was saved, I extracted the image from the 
 dvd:
 
   nimrodel:/Grande/imgs # dd if=/dev/hdc of=dvd
   9179712+0 records in
   9179712+0 records out
   4700012544 bytes (4.7 GB) copied, 392.888 s, 12.0 MB/s
 
 and compared the sizes:
 
   47  image
   4700012544  dvd
 
 Ie, the dvd image extracted from the dvd is slightly bigger. I assume this 
 must be some kind of end of track adjustment, but it means that the 
 compare fails.
 
 I think I can compare doing this instead:
 
   nimrodel:/Grande/imgs # cmp --bytes=47  image /dev/hdc
 
 and they match.
 
 I can extract the extra bytes:
 
   nimrodel:/Grande/imgs # dd if=dvd of=extra skip=4700 ibs=1MB
   0+1 records in
   24+1 records out
   12544 bytes (13 kB) copied, 0.0236522 s, 530 kB/s
 
 and it is all zeroes.
 
 
 
 Am I correct, is this to be expected, or am I doing something wrong?
 
 

I have found after using a star archive burned on DVD with the above via
growisofs that when I eventually got the the archive back it had copied
everything to the end of media, a  2.7G file became 4.7G (not a result I
wanted :-( ) [star had some peculiar issues with compression which made
the archive unusable from dvd].

BTW According to the man pages growisofs/wodim always creates an iso
structure to write data into (at least on DVD+RW media, as DVD- media
are more geared towards multi-media streams they are not good for random
data access and these are not pre-formatted, which is understandable for
RO media but a possible issue with DVD-RW ), in the above case you have
a binary image placed on an iso low level format if on DVD+RW. What you
can do with it afterwards seems to be rather dependant on media and
device capabilities, the best way you can look at it is that it seems to
act as a buffered stream when writing, and an unbuffered  data stream
when reading. Unfortunately any relevant end of stream markers seem to
be ignored when reading (if any exist ).
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Re: [opensuse] About Backing Up

2007-05-09 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Monday 2007-05-07 at 13:55 +0100, David Bolt wrote:

 I'd use something like this:
 
 par2 c -s1024000 -c235 -l basename.for.par2.archives *
 
 c is to create the recovery files
 -s1024000 gives a recovery block size of a little under 1MB
 -c235 says to create 235 recovery blocks
 -l limits the size of the par2 recovery files to just a bit bigger than
 the largest file.
 
 That should create a few recovery files which, with the par2 overheads,
 occupy about 235MB and leave around 15MB free. 


I had already done one run using simply the default options (ie, none, 
meaning 5% redundancy, except for a -500). Even though I compiled with 
-O3 -march=pentium4 it is terribly slow, almost one hour.

Right now I'm running it like (275M free):

  time nice par2 c -m500 -s1024000 -c250 -l recovery *avi

Block size: 1024000
Source file count: 11
Source block count: 4305
Recovery block count: 250
Recovery file count: 8
...

Memory usage is currently:

  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+  COMMAND
  10  250m 247m  664 R 53.3 24.4   2:26.62 par2


 Once it's finished, and
 if you're the sort of person that just has to be sure, you can verify
 the freshly created files using:
 
 par2 v basename.for.par2.archives

Yep, I did that on the dvd after burning it. It took 15 minutes.

 
 And, if there's a failure after the contents has been burnt, copy the
 contents off the DVD using either dd or ddrescue, and then use:
 
 par2 r basename.for.par2.archives
 
 
 Now, the bad news is that for a dozen files, totalling a bit over 4GB,
 you may not be able to rebuild a broken file with only 235 blocks
 without rescuing as much data as possible from the DVD. My guess is that
 the files are around 350MB[0], which means you'd need at least 350-360
 recovery blocks to rebuild a completely missing file. As long as only
 one file is broken, and you manage to recover more than a third of the
 data, there _should_ be enough to rebuild it.

Well, I assume I would be able to recover a damage of less than 5%, ie, 
about 210MiB. If the damage affects only some sectors and I can read the 
damaged file with errors ignored (supposedly, dd_rescue does that), it 
should be repairable. And, in any case, it's better than nothing ;-)

Also, my usual practice is to burn two copies on DVD (ie, 2 DVDs), so if a 
file is damaged I can probably recover it from the other copy.


 There are ways to reduce this problem, and the one I chose was to limit
 the size of files to 100MB[1]. That, combined with my using 535 blocks
 means I can have 5 completely unreadable files before I am unable to
 recover. And when I want to recombine the split files, I just use cat
 :-)

A possibility, yes...

 
 
 [0] After rounding to the nearest MB:
 4.35GB - 250MB = 4.1GB
 4.1GB / 12 = 350MB

Yes, your assumption is correct.

 
 [1] split -b 100M -a 3 -d filename filename.
^
 That is to allow creation of names in the format filename.000,
 filename.001, etc.

Yep, I use the basename recovery, making it obvious what they are.

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Re: [opensuse] RE: Current Kernal handeling of multi core 64bit Processors

2007-05-09 Thread Registration Account
Thank you to all for all the information.

With respect to altering the O/S Memory Management - I really cannot
justify literally playing with an aspect of the O/S that requires a CPU
to work out. At different stages in my working life I have to learn or
understand the memory management from Main Frame O/S such as TFP/DB/UG
to Netware to a very ugly M$ and now Linux.

All you contributions have answered all my needs for understanding of
the Linux O/S with respect to memory management - and I cannot forget
its origin evolution/derivation from Zenix/Unix/Linux.

In return I offer you an article I wrote for Techrepublic.com on M$ poor
excuse for relying (in my opinion) far too heavily on swap files which
it does poorly.It also touches on its horrific direct memory addressing,
but does leave out file cacheing. Although the intended audience for the
article was technical per say I was asked to re-write it several times
and make the section on M$ Memory that is directly accessible by the
poor old O/S
I am now so very grateful I  now use Linux, for many many reasons.

Again Thanks to all
Scott and good night 05:18 GMT +10

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The Good, the Bad and the poor overwork I/O subsystem

Using the Hard Disk to simulate RAM, which is a long standing feature of
Main Frame operating systems certainly has its advantages but ultimately
will degrade performance.

Having an application use virtual RAM means that there must be an
increase in Disk I/O. The advantage is that the application will run and
not run out of RAM but there is a balance.

Firstly an application must perform a disk I/O to receive the program
files in limited pieces and the more physical RAM the greater the amount
of information that can be read from the Disk. (Theoretically)

Now IF some of that RAM is a page file on the hard disk another Disk I/O
is required to access the page file RAM.

If the disk is already busy reading application files and now we
increase its load by pagefile also creating a disk I/O there must be a
point were the disk and O/S needs to decide which is more important.

The decisions are
1. The disk I/O to read the application program files
2. The disk I/O to write back and simulate RAM to  run the same
application just read from Disk.

Effectively, as you don't get anything for nothing, the dilemma is Are
the Disk I/O's more busy reading the application program files than it
is writing a  disk I/O to simulate the RAM required to run the very same
program.

The problem that we face is always the amount of RAM that an application
can directly access to process instructions - this is a constraint of
the O/S.

Just because you have 4 GIG of RAM does not mean that the O/S can
directly address all 4 GIG. Quite the contrary. This is where our memory
managers come into play. Lets say the O/S can only directly address the
first 640K of RAM. What the memory manager does is load instructions
into the registers of the 640K RAM - process those instructions and the
memory manager then throws the result up into the rest of the RAM. When
the result is needed again, to further process, it is dragged out of the
upper RAM back down to conventional RAM and further processing can occur.

A memory manager that allows the whole amount of RAM to be used is just
like a juggler throwing thing up and fetching them back when needed.

With the added facet of the pagefile once the physical RAM becomes full
a Disk I/O is required.

At some stage the O/S needs to make a decision. Is it better to devote
more Disk I/O time to reading instructions OR does it utilise time to
write an I/O to the page file. This is all managed by the O/S.

Personally IF the PC has the max amount of physical RAM installed AND
still requires a Disk I/O to simulate more RAM then we really need to
think about the fundamental operation of the O/S.  How much RAM can it
directly address and how much RAM does it need to juggle in and then
does it requires a page file as well - Personally then its time to
re-write the O/S in its memory management and its directly addressable
RAM to process and the amount of physical RAM used by the memory manager.

Page file addressing should be a last resort by the O/S. Adding to an
overworked disk I/O will slow things down ultimately, however the
application will never fall over and you will never see the old out of
memory error response which is the only advantage of such an arrangement.

If you have multiple hard disks the best thing you can do is direct the
temp variable (another story) and place the page file on a different
disk than the disk containing the O/S. This will help the overworked
disk I/O of the single disk but don't get excited yet – we then run into
the bottle neck that is the I/O Bus speed which has nothing to do with
the speed of the processor nor the speed of the RAM. Thank GOD for a 64
bit BUS.

Next time you purchase a PC – just compare the BUS speed as this will
ultimately constrain the total amount of I/O weather they come from the

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