Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 - No sound

[Marcin Floryan]

On 29/01/2008, Rods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am a new Linux user and I installed OpenSuse 10.3 in my notebook
> but sound is not working.
> The command lspci -v:


Do you have your sound software (alsa packages) installed? Can you try
to see if there are any modules loaded for your sound card (lsmod |
grep snd). See if the sound levels are up and not muted (you may run
alsamixer or your favourite KDE / gnome mixer)

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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 - No sound

[Valerio]

2008/1/29, Rods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi,
>
> I am a new Linux user and I installed OpenSuse 10.3 in my notebook
> but sound is not working.
> The command lspci -v:
>
> 04:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio
> Controller (rev 10)
> Subsystem: FIRST INTERNATIONAL Computer Inc Unknown device 1e40
> Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 22
> Memory at c910 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
> Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
> Capabilities: [60] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+
> Queue=0/0 Enable-
> Capabilities: [70] Express Unknown type IRQ 0
>
> Someone can help me?
>
> Rods
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Hi,

Have you checked all the volume setting in KDE/Gnome Volume manager?
Are you using KDE or Gnome?

P.s.: sorry for the previous direct answer :-)
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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 and system maintenence processes

[CF]

Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> When a 10.3 system is installed, by default some things are set up that
> will result in a daemon or some other agent occasionally waking up and
> getting very busy. These activities can impact other running
> applications. I am hoping to make a list of these so that I can (1)
> decide if I need them and (2) figure out how to disable them. With full
> understanding that I live with whatever mess I create. My use for this
> is in a measurement system that probably does not need whatever these
> applications are doing. It definitely does not want the system
> sluggishness they sometimes create.
> 
> So, here is a start at my list:
> 
>   opensuseupdater
> 
>   updatedb
> 
> OK. Not so big a list. But I know there are more of these. I would be
> happy if anyone who knows of another would add them to the list. If
> possible, include the name of the package that installed it and, if
> known, the command to disable it from running. Don't worry. I won't just
> blindly run or remove anything. I will just know a bit better where to
> look.
> 
> TIA
> 

Beagle (all packages that contain 'beagle', except for libbeagle which
requires some dependencies).
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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 and system maintenence processes

[Roger Oberholtzer]

On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 14:27 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:

> For online update the solution is to configure yast->software->configure 
> online update. You can set online update to run weekly/monthly, etc. 
> That way you can still stay current on updates without it running on 
> every login.

The systems I am wanting to change are mobile, without an outside
network connection. Not much need checking for updates :)

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 and system maintenence processes

[David C. Rankin]

Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 11:24 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:

Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

When a 10.3 system is installed, by default some things are set up that
will result in a daemon or some other agent occasionally waking up and
getting very busy. These activities can impact other running
applications. I am hoping to make a list of these so that I can (1)
decide if I need them and (2) figure out how to disable them. With full
understanding that I live with whatever mess I create. My use for this
is in a measurement system that probably does not need whatever these
applications are doing. It definitely does not want the system
sluggishness they sometimes create.

So, here is a start at my list:

opensuseupdater

updatedb

Roger,

It is pretty simple. Just right-click opensuseupdater in the sys tray, 
choose quit and then click "do not start on login" (or something 
similar). This will disable online update from running every time you 
login and stop the automaitc refresh of all repositories.


This is no big deal, I run that way. Just remember you must manually do 
the yast->online update once in a while.


Depending on whether you use Beagle search index, you will also want to 
either (1) disable Beagle in control center, or (2) remove it completely 
with "rpm -e $(rpm -qa | grep beagle) kerry" from the command line as root.


After making those two modifications, you will not experience any more 
slowdown during the first 5-10 minutes after login. Online update and 
beagle are the problems.


I am glad this is make accessible so easily; however, I need to make
this part of my software installation. I cannot trust that the system
operators will do this. I am hearing reports of other processes that
start much later after login that are causing delays. I do not have
complete information. Could also be a failing disk or a bad network
connection.



For online update the solution is to configure yast->software->configure 
online update. You can set online update to run weekly/monthly, etc. 
That way you can still stay current on updates without it running on 
every login.




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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 and system maintenence processes

[Roger Oberholtzer]

On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 11:24 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:
> Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> > When a 10.3 system is installed, by default some things are set up that
> > will result in a daemon or some other agent occasionally waking up and
> > getting very busy. These activities can impact other running
> > applications. I am hoping to make a list of these so that I can (1)
> > decide if I need them and (2) figure out how to disable them. With full
> > understanding that I live with whatever mess I create. My use for this
> > is in a measurement system that probably does not need whatever these
> > applications are doing. It definitely does not want the system
> > sluggishness they sometimes create.
> > 
> > So, here is a start at my list:
> > 
> > opensuseupdater
> > 
> > updatedb
> 
> Roger,
> 
> It is pretty simple. Just right-click opensuseupdater in the sys tray, 
> choose quit and then click "do not start on login" (or something 
> similar). This will disable online update from running every time you 
> login and stop the automaitc refresh of all repositories.
> 
> This is no big deal, I run that way. Just remember you must manually do 
> the yast->online update once in a while.
> 
> Depending on whether you use Beagle search index, you will also want to 
> either (1) disable Beagle in control center, or (2) remove it completely 
> with "rpm -e $(rpm -qa | grep beagle) kerry" from the command line as root.
> 
> After making those two modifications, you will not experience any more 
> slowdown during the first 5-10 minutes after login. Online update and 
> beagle are the problems.

I am glad this is make accessible so easily; however, I need to make
this part of my software installation. I cannot trust that the system
operators will do this. I am hearing reports of other processes that
start much later after login that are causing delays. I do not have
complete information. Could also be a failing disk or a bad network
connection.

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 and system maintenence processes

[David C. Rankin]

Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

When a 10.3 system is installed, by default some things are set up that
will result in a daemon or some other agent occasionally waking up and
getting very busy. These activities can impact other running
applications. I am hoping to make a list of these so that I can (1)
decide if I need them and (2) figure out how to disable them. With full
understanding that I live with whatever mess I create. My use for this
is in a measurement system that probably does not need whatever these
applications are doing. It definitely does not want the system
sluggishness they sometimes create.

So, here is a start at my list:

opensuseupdater

updatedb


Roger,

It is pretty simple. Just right-click opensuseupdater in the sys tray, 
choose quit and then click "do not start on login" (or something 
similar). This will disable online update from running every time you 
login and stop the automaitc refresh of all repositories.


This is no big deal, I run that way. Just remember you must manually do 
the yast->online update once in a while.


Depending on whether you use Beagle search index, you will also want to 
either (1) disable Beagle in control center, or (2) remove it completely 
with "rpm -e $(rpm -qa | grep beagle) kerry" from the command line as root.


After making those two modifications, you will not experience any more 
slowdown during the first 5-10 minutes after login. Online update and 
beagle are the problems.


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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 and system maintenence processes

[CyberOrg]

On Jan 21, 2008 6:13 PM, Roger Oberholtzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> OK. Not so big a list. But I know there are more of these. I would be
> happy if anyone who knows of another would add them to the list.

ls /etc/cron.daily/*
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Re: [opensuse] opensuse 10.3 update list

[Alexandr Malusek]

On Tuesday 15 January 2008 20:49, Coach-X wrote:
> Is there anything like this available for opensuse 10.3?
>
> http://www.novell.com/linux/download/updates/102_i386.html

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/ is similar.

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 and LTSP

[Roger Oberholtzer]

On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 16:28 +0530, CyberOrg wrote:
> On Jan 15, 2008 4:15 PM, Roger Oberholtzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > > Yes, all you need is "i586 DVD5 media or iso image" as it says here:
> > > http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
> > >
> > > http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/iso/dvd/openSUSE-10.3-GM-DVD-i386.iso
> >
> > That is what I am using when it fails in the way I originally posted.
> >
> > Could it be something I did not set in the kiwi-ltsp sysconfig file?
> >
> 
> This is from the log you posted:
> 
> KIWI-LTSP: 2008-01-11 17:20:35: Running the KIWI netboot creation.
> Jan-11 17:20 <1> : Setting log file to: terminal
> Jan-11 17:20 <1> : Reading image description...   done
> Jan-11 17:20 <1> : Extracting kernel...   failed
> Jan-11 17:20 <1> : Couldn't find compressed kernel   failed
> Jan-11 17:20 <3> : KIWI exited with error(s)   done
> KIWI-LTSP: 2008-01-11 17:20:36: Could not create the KIWI netboot. Aborting!
> 
> Netboot image is not being built, did you by any chance edit any
> config.xml or other kiwi files directly, only file that needs changing
> is /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp and only thing right you need to get is
> installation source path and IP addresses, as the kiwi-ltsp image is
> built successfully that seems right.

I only edited /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp. I want to see what happens
out-of-the-box. Fiddling with other files will happen after I get the
delivered stuff to work. 

Could this be related?

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=281487

I have switched IMAGETYPE to NFS to see it that helped. Nope. Same
error.

I also did try using the on-line repository. But kiwi claimed it could
not find it. (This was before the current hardware issue taking the
repository off-line.) I may have typed it wrong. Wouldn't it be:

http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/repo/oss/

> You can run kiwi-ltsp-setup -n1 and kiwi-ltsp-setup -n2 to find out
> more about where the netboot image creation fails.

-n finished with:

Jan-15 12:16 <1> : Copying user defined files to image tree   done
Jan-15 12:16 <1> : Create .profile for package scripts   done
Jan-15 12:16 <1> : Setting up linuxrc...   done
Jan-15 12:16 <1> : Umounting
path: /tmp/kiwi-netboot//base-system/media/SU1030.001
Jan-15 12:16 <1> : Umounting
path: 
/tmp/kiwi-netboot//base-system/usr/share/kiwi/image/ltsp/suse-10.3/extra-packages
Jan-15 12:16 <1> : Umounting path: /tmp/kiwi-netboot/dev/pts
Jan-15 12:16 <1> : Umounting path: /tmp/kiwi-netboot/sys
Jan-15 12:16 <1> : Umounting path: /tmp/kiwi-netboot/proc
Jan-15 12:16 <1> : KIWI exited successfully   done
KIWI-LTSP: 2008-01-15 12:16:34: == Setup completed ==

-n2 finished with the reported error:

KIWI-LTSP: 2008-01-15 12:18:13: == Starting ==
KIWI-LTSP: 2008-01-15 12:18:13: Verifying installation source...
KIWI-LTSP: 2008-01-15 12:18:13: Installation source verified.
KIWI-LTSP: 2008-01-15 12:18:13: Running the KIWI netboot creation.
KIWI-LTSP: 2008-01-15 12:18:13: /srv/tftpboot/boot exists. Moving to
"/srv/tftpboot/boot.0801151218"
Jan-15 12:18 <1> : Setting log file to: terminal
Jan-15 12:18 <1> : Reading image description...   done
Jan-15 12:18 <1> : Extracting kernel...   failed
Jan-15 12:18 <1> : Couldn't find compressed kernel   failed
Jan-15 12:18 <3> : KIWI exited with error(s)   done
KIWI-LTSP: 2008-01-15 12:18:14: Could not create the KIWI netboot.
Aborting!



> 
> Make sure you are using the latest kiwi-desc-ltsp and kiwi packages.

I got them via the one-click on opensuse.org/LTSP

> @Schaefi any idea why netboot image creation fails with this message?
> 
> -J

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 and LTSP

[CyberOrg]

On Jan 15, 2008 4:15 PM, Roger Oberholtzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Yes, all you need is "i586 DVD5 media or iso image" as it says here:
> > http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
> >
> > http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/iso/dvd/openSUSE-10.3-GM-DVD-i386.iso
>
> That is what I am using when it fails in the way I originally posted.
>
> Could it be something I did not set in the kiwi-ltsp sysconfig file?
>

This is from the log you posted:

KIWI-LTSP: 2008-01-11 17:20:35: Running the KIWI netboot creation.
Jan-11 17:20 <1> : Setting log file to: terminal
Jan-11 17:20 <1> : Reading image description...   done
Jan-11 17:20 <1> : Extracting kernel...   failed
Jan-11 17:20 <1> : Couldn't find compressed kernel   failed
Jan-11 17:20 <3> : KIWI exited with error(s)   done
KIWI-LTSP: 2008-01-11 17:20:36: Could not create the KIWI netboot. Aborting!

Netboot image is not being built, did you by any chance edit any
config.xml or other kiwi files directly, only file that needs changing
is /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp and only thing right you need to get is
installation source path and IP addresses, as the kiwi-ltsp image is
built successfully that seems right.

You can run kiwi-ltsp-setup -n1 and kiwi-ltsp-setup -n2 to find out
more about where the netboot image creation fails.

Make sure you are using the latest kiwi-desc-ltsp and kiwi packages.

@Schaefi any idea why netboot image creation fails with this message?

-J
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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 and LTSP

[Roger Oberholtzer]

On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 14:35 +0530, CyberOrg wrote:
> On Jan 15, 2008 1:26 PM, Roger Oberholtzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2008-01-11 at 22:39 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > What installation media are you using here /media/SU1030.001 ?
> > > If it is retail DVD 1, it will not work, please use i586 DVD or iso image.
> >
> > So, the original DVD image released on opensuse.org will work? With no
> > updates? Or? The LTSP info on opensuse.org does not provide details of
> > 'which' 10.3 is supported...
> 
> Yes, all you need is "i586 DVD5 media or iso image" as it says here:
> http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
> 
> http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/iso/dvd/openSUSE-10.3-GM-DVD-i386.iso

That is what I am using when it fails in the way I originally posted.

Could it be something I did not set in the kiwi-ltsp sysconfig file? 

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 and LTSP

[CyberOrg]

On Jan 15, 2008 1:26 PM, Roger Oberholtzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-01-11 at 22:39 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > What installation media are you using here /media/SU1030.001 ?
> > If it is retail DVD 1, it will not work, please use i586 DVD or iso image.
>
> So, the original DVD image released on opensuse.org will work? With no
> updates? Or? The LTSP info on opensuse.org does not provide details of
> 'which' 10.3 is supported...

Yes, all you need is "i586 DVD5 media or iso image" as it says here:
http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP

http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/iso/dvd/openSUSE-10.3-GM-DVD-i386.iso

Cheers

-J
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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 and LTSP

[Roger Oberholtzer]

On Fri, 2008-01-11 at 22:39 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

> What installation media are you using here /media/SU1030.001 ?
> If it is retail DVD 1, it will not work, please use i586 DVD or iso image.

So, the original DVD image released on opensuse.org will work? With no
updates? Or? The LTSP info on opensuse.org does not provide details of
'which' 10.3 is supported...

Has anyone else made an LTSP boot directory?

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 and LTSP

[Roger Oberholtzer]

On Fri, 2008-01-11 at 22:39 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> What installation media are you using here /media/SU1030.001 ?
> 
> If it is retail DVD 1, it will not work, please use i586 DVD or iso image.
> 
> You can also try with LTSP_DEBUG="1" option in
> /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp, that will give you some clue where it fails.

This flag is already set to 1. So the log file I have (and the snippet
in the original post) already contains all. 

> Do post log after turning on debug if it fails.

It is attached. I zipped it, so it is only 27 KB. I hope that does not
upset anyone.

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kiwi-ltsp-log.gz
Description: GNU Zip compressed data

Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 and LTSP

[Roger Oberholtzer]

On Fri, 2008-01-11 at 22:39 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> What installation media are you using here /media/SU1030.001 ?
> 
> If it is retail DVD 1, it will not work, please use i586 DVD or iso image.

I am using the original downloaded GM DVD image.

> You can also try with LTSP_DEBUG="1" option in
> /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp, that will give you some clue where it fails.

Indeed, more info than was printed would help. I will try this tomorrow.
TIA

> Do post log after turning on debug if it fails.

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 and LTSP

[jigish . gohil]

What installation media are you using here /media/SU1030.001 ?

If it is retail DVD 1, it will not work, please use i586 DVD or iso image.

You can also try with LTSP_DEBUG="1" option in
/etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp, that will give you some clue where it fails.

Do post log after turning on debug if it fails.

Ciao

-J

On 1/11/08, Roger Oberholtzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello
>
> Is anyone using LTSP on openSUSE10.3? I have installed the components
> via the one-click on opensuse.org/LTSP. The system is an fresh original
> install (no updates) and the things from the LTSP one-click install.
>
> When I try to make the thing with "kiwi-ltsp-setup -s", it gets a fair
> bit along. It installs a whole bunch of packages in what it is creating.
> When it is going to make the netboot image, I get:
>
> Jan-11 17:20 <1> : Copying user defined files to image tree   done
> Jan-11 17:20 <1> : Create .profile for package scripts   done
> Jan-11 17:20 <1> : Setting up linuxrc...   done
> Jan-11 17:20 <1> : Umounting path:
> /tmp/kiwi-netboot//base-system/media/SU1030.001
> Jan-11 17:20 <1> : Umounting path:
> /tmp/kiwi-netboot//base-system/usr/share/kiwi/image/ltsp/suse-10.3/extra-packages
> Jan-11 17:20 <1> : Umounting path: /tmp/kiwi-netboot/dev/pts
> Jan-11 17:20 <1> : Umounting path: /tmp/kiwi-netboot/sys
> Jan-11 17:20 <1> : Umounting path: /tmp/kiwi-netboot/proc
> Jan-11 17:20 <1> : KIWI exited successfully   done
> KIWI-LTSP: 2008-01-11 17:20:35: Verifying installation source...
> KIWI-LTSP: 2008-01-11 17:20:35: Installation source verified.
> KIWI-LTSP: 2008-01-11 17:20:35: Running the KIWI netboot creation.
> Jan-11 17:20 <1> : Setting log file to: terminal
> Jan-11 17:20 <1> : Reading image description...   done
> Jan-11 17:20 <1> : Extracting kernel...   failed
> Jan-11 17:20 <1> : Couldn't find compressed kernel   failed
> Jan-11 17:20 <3> : KIWI exited with error(s)   done
> KIWI-LTSP: 2008-01-11 17:20:36: Could not create the KIWI netboot. Aborting!
>
>
>
> I am new to this, so I am not sure what is or is not going on. Any ideas
> about where to start looking? I have the whole log, in case there is
> anything there that could shed light on this. But I am feeling the
> waters here first.
>
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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 couldn't shutdown

[David C. Rankin]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wednesday 09 January 2008 11:24:06 am Greg KH wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 03:13:19PM -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:
>>> Andy Clus wrote:
  Hi,
   I've been using openSUSE 10.3 for few months and have no problems
 with it. But recently, the shutdown feature is disabled by some unknown
 reasons. I use GNOME, when I select Computer -> Shutdown, the Shutdown
 and Restart options are disabled, and I can only choose Sleep or
 Hibernate. So when I want to turn off the computer, I have to either
 use "shutdown -h 0" or logout first, then choose Shutdown from the
 Login screen, which is very inconvenient.
  Has anyone have the same problem? Could you please show me how to fix
 it?

  Thanks,

 Andy
>>> Nightmare issue:
>>>
>>> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=331747
>>>
>>> All of my hand built boxes shut down just fine. All of my Dell built
>>> boxes hang...
>> Yeah, this problem is a huge pain, I still can't reproduce the issue
>> myself so as to make it easier to try to track down.  But I'm going to
>> go through my closet of old hardware next week to try to find something
>> that breaks...
>>
>> ugh, no fun.
>>
>> greg k-h
> 
> Bug 331747 is listed as an x-86 bug. i know next to nothing about bugzilla. 
> Is 
> there a listing for an x-86-64 bug in a duo core system? the mobo is an abit 
> F-190hd and I *do* have the problem.

The bug seems to be getting worse after the latest updates. Has anyone
else notice this behavior. I have boxes that had always shutdown fine
that are now hanging after unloading swap during the shutdown process.


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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 couldn't shutdown

[Greg KH]

On Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 10:40:18AM -1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wednesday 09 January 2008 11:24:06 am Greg KH wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 03:13:19PM -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:
> > > Andy Clus wrote:
> > > >  Hi,
> > > >   I've been using openSUSE 10.3 for few months and have no problems
> > > > with it. But recently, the shutdown feature is disabled by some unknown
> > > > reasons. I use GNOME, when I select Computer -> Shutdown, the Shutdown
> > > > and Restart options are disabled, and I can only choose Sleep or
> > > > Hibernate. So when I want to turn off the computer, I have to either
> > > > use "shutdown -h 0" or logout first, then choose Shutdown from the
> > > > Login screen, which is very inconvenient.
> > > >  Has anyone have the same problem? Could you please show me how to fix
> > > > it?
> > > >
> > > >  Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Andy
> > >
> > > Nightmare issue:
> > >
> > > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=331747
> > >
> > > All of my hand built boxes shut down just fine. All of my Dell built
> > > boxes hang...
> >
> > Yeah, this problem is a huge pain, I still can't reproduce the issue
> > myself so as to make it easier to try to track down.  But I'm going to
> > go through my closet of old hardware next week to try to find something
> > that breaks...
> >
> > ugh, no fun.
> >
> > greg k-h
> 
> Bug 331747 is listed as an x-86 bug. i know next to nothing about bugzilla. 
> Is 
> there a listing for an x-86-64 bug in a duo core system? the mobo is an abit 
> F-190hd and I *do* have the problem.

That issue should be solved in the latest kernel-of-the-day.  If not,
please let me know.

thanks,

greg k-h
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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 couldn't shutdown

[kanenas]

On Wednesday 09 January 2008 11:24:06 am Greg KH wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 03:13:19PM -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:
> > Andy Clus wrote:
> > >  Hi,
> > >   I've been using openSUSE 10.3 for few months and have no problems
> > > with it. But recently, the shutdown feature is disabled by some unknown
> > > reasons. I use GNOME, when I select Computer -> Shutdown, the Shutdown
> > > and Restart options are disabled, and I can only choose Sleep or
> > > Hibernate. So when I want to turn off the computer, I have to either
> > > use "shutdown -h 0" or logout first, then choose Shutdown from the
> > > Login screen, which is very inconvenient.
> > >  Has anyone have the same problem? Could you please show me how to fix
> > > it?
> > >
> > >  Thanks,
> > >
> > > Andy
> >
> > Nightmare issue:
> >
> > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=331747
> >
> > All of my hand built boxes shut down just fine. All of my Dell built
> > boxes hang...
>
> Yeah, this problem is a huge pain, I still can't reproduce the issue
> myself so as to make it easier to try to track down.  But I'm going to
> go through my closet of old hardware next week to try to find something
> that breaks...
>
> ugh, no fun.
>
> greg k-h

Bug 331747 is listed as an x-86 bug. i know next to nothing about bugzilla. Is 
there a listing for an x-86-64 bug in a duo core system? the mobo is an abit 
F-190hd and I *do* have the problem.
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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 couldn't shutdown

[David C. Rankin]

Greg KH wrote:
>> Nightmare issue:
>>
>> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=331747
>>
>> All of my hand built boxes shut down just fine. All of my Dell built
>> boxes hang...
> 
> Yeah, this problem is a huge pain, I still can't reproduce the issue
> myself so as to make it easier to try to track down.  But I'm going to
> go through my closet of old hardware next week to try to find something
> that breaks...
> 
> ugh, no fun.
> 
> greg k-h
> 

Makes you think twice about a remote kernel upgrade

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 couldn't shutdown

[Greg KH]

On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 03:13:19PM -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:
> Andy Clus wrote:
> >  Hi,
> >   I've been using openSUSE 10.3 for few months and have no problems with it.
> >  But recently, the shutdown feature is disabled by some unknown reasons. I
> >  use GNOME, when I select Computer -> Shutdown, the Shutdown and Restart
> >  options are disabled, and I can only choose Sleep or Hibernate.
> >  So when I want to turn off the computer, I have to either use "shutdown -h
> >   0" or logout first, then choose Shutdown from the Login screen, which is
> >  very inconvenient.
> >  Has anyone have the same problem? Could you please show me how to fix it?
> > 
> >  Thanks,
> > 
> > Andy
> 
> Nightmare issue:
> 
> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=331747
> 
> All of my hand built boxes shut down just fine. All of my Dell built
> boxes hang...

Yeah, this problem is a huge pain, I still can't reproduce the issue
myself so as to make it easier to try to track down.  But I'm going to
go through my closet of old hardware next week to try to find something
that breaks...

ugh, no fun.

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 couldn't shutdown

[David C. Rankin]

Andy Clus wrote:
>  Hi,
>   I've been using openSUSE 10.3 for few months and have no problems with it.
>  But recently, the shutdown feature is disabled by some unknown reasons. I
>  use GNOME, when I select Computer -> Shutdown, the Shutdown and Restart
>  options are disabled, and I can only choose Sleep or Hibernate.
>  So when I want to turn off the computer, I have to either use "shutdown -h
>   0" or logout first, then choose Shutdown from the Login screen, which is
>  very inconvenient.
>  Has anyone have the same problem? Could you please show me how to fix it?
> 
>  Thanks,
> 
> Andy

Nightmare issue:

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=331747

All of my hand built boxes shut down just fine. All of my Dell built
boxes hang...

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 couldn't shutdown

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The Wednesday 2008-01-09 at 06:58 -, jpff wrote:


Why experience is that I must live in an alternative universe(*) as so
far the number of solutions posted to my problems is in single digits
(in binary).
 I still cannot get ivman (or alternative) to mount a USB memory
stick.  I have to su to root and run mount explicitely, which was not
the case in 10.2


As a matter of fact, I mount my usb things explicitly: I disable 
automount of my sticks or drives. Only sticks from friends are automounted, 
till I get round to disable them again.


:-P

I prefer manual mounting (I'm sorry I can't help you with ivman)

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 couldn't shutdown

[Aaron Kulkis]

Andy Clus wrote:

 Hi,
  I've been using openSUSE 10.3 for few months and have no problems with it.
 But recently, the shutdown feature is disabled by some unknown reasons. I
 use GNOME, when I select Computer -> Shutdown, the Shutdown and Restart
 options are disabled, and I can only choose Sleep or Hibernate.
 So when I want to turn off the computer, I have to either use "shutdown -h
  0" or logout first, then choose Shutdown from the Login screen, which is
 very inconvenient.


For a variety of reasons, you should always logout before
doing a shut down anyways.





 Has anyone have the same problem? Could you please show me how to fix it?

 Thanks,

Andy




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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 couldn't shutdown

[Masaru Nomiya]

Hello,

In the Message; 

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[John] == jpff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> has written:

John>   I still cannot get ivman (or alternative) to mount a USB memory
John> stick.  I have to su to root and run mount explicitely, which was not
John> the case in 10.2
[...]
John> (*) No kde, no gnome, fvwm, no icons, lots of xterms, and emacs

I'm using pure enlightenment, not on Gnome.

I can mount USB memory as a user with the fstab's  setteing;

[...]
/dev/sdc1/media/usbmemauto   noauto,user   0 0
[...]

HTH,

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 couldn't shutdown

[jpff]

Why experience is that I must live in an alternative universe(*) as so
far the number of solutions posted to my problems is in single digits
(in binary).
  I still cannot get ivman (or alternative) to mount a USB memory
stick.  I have to su to root and run mount explicitely, which was not
the case in 10.2

==John ffitch

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 couldn't shutdown

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The Tuesday 2008-01-08 at 19:14 -0600, Andy Clus wrote:

..


This is the first time I ask a question on this mailing list and I got
all the answer/solution in an afternoon. That's awesome. Thank you
guys very much!


Yaa! Now you go and try solving one of mine :-P

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 couldn't shutdown

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* Andy Clus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-08-08 20:14]:
> I changed the value below to "all" and that solved the problem.
> 
> yast2 -> system -> /set/sysconfig Editor -> Desktop -> Display manager ->
>   DISPLAYMANAGER_SHUTDOWN
> 
> This is the first time I ask a question on this mailing list and I got
> all the answer/solution in an afternoon. That's awesome. Thank you
> guys very much!

The secret is someone reading your email that has had a similar
experience, OR an expert becomes interested  :^)

gud luk,
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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 couldn't shutdown

[Andy Clus]

I changed the value below to "all" and that solved the problem.

yast2 -> system -> /set/sysconfig Editor -> Desktop -> Display manager ->
  DISPLAYMANAGER_SHUTDOWN

This is the first time I ask a question on this mailing list and I got
all the answer/solution in an afternoon. That's awesome. Thank you
guys very much!

Andy

2008/1/8, chika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> btw how to make other user can't shutdown my box?
> im on kde
>
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[chika]

btw how to make other user can't shutdown my box?
im on kde



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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 couldn't shutdown

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* Andy Clus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-08-08 14:28]:
>  Hi,
>   I've been using openSUSE 10.3 for few months and have no problems with it.
>  But recently, the shutdown feature is disabled by some unknown reasons. I
>  use GNOME, when I select Computer -> Shutdown, the Shutdown and Restart
>  options are disabled, and I can only choose Sleep or Hibernate.
>  So when I want to turn off the computer, I have to either use "shutdown -h
>   0" or logout first, then choose Shutdown from the Login screen, which is
>  very inconvenient.
>  Has anyone have the same problem? Could you please show me how to fix it?

yast2 -> system -> /set/sysconfig Editor -> Desktop -> Display manager ->
   DISPLAYMANAGER_SHUTDOWN
   
value should be "auto" or "all" to allow non-root shutdown.   

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 couldn't shutdown

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El 2008-01-08 a las 14:03 -0600, Andy Clus escribió:

(Please, remember to post to the list)


I'm not sure about the login manager. I just use the default that
comes with GNOME.


Then it most be gdm.


I just created a new account and saw that the Shutdown feature works
just fine with that one. Do you think that it has something to do with
GNOME configuration?


Well, then at least is not what I was thinking about, but I don't know 
what it is. Maybe your default user is not authorized to power off, but I 
don't remember off-hand where this is configured. Login features or 
thereabouts, I suppose. Somebody else will know.


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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 couldn't shutdown

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The Tuesday 2008-01-08 at 13:25 -0600, Andy Clus wrote:


 I've been using openSUSE 10.3 for few months and have no problems with it.
But recently, the shutdown feature is disabled by some unknown reasons. I
use GNOME, when I select Computer -> Shutdown, the Shutdown and Restart
options are disabled, and I can only choose Sleep or Hibernate.
So when I want to turn off the computer, I have to either use "shutdown -h
 0" or logout first, then choose Shutdown from the Login screen, which is
very inconvenient.
Has anyone have the same problem? Could you please show me how to fix it?


No, but I always log out first, then I press ctrl-alt-supr, which I 
reconfigured to mean "halt" instead of "reboot".


Question: which login manager are you using?

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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself

[Jonathan Ervine]

On Sunday 06 January 2008 05:22:45 Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> Philippe Landau wrote:
> > Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
> >> Shibu Basheer escribió:
> >> "The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education."
> >> - Albert Einstein
> >
> > His plagiarism interfered just as much.
> > http://nexusmagazine.com/articles/einstein.html
>
> Einstein never claimed to be doing anything original.
> All he did was assume that ALL of the experimental
> data was, in fact, correct, even though it appeared
> to be contradictory.  He then asked himself, if all
> of this data is correct, then what is the explanation
> for it all?
>
> What Einstein did is was to take the physics community
> and reposition the viewpoint to the one place where
> ALL of the data made sense simultaneously.
>
> Einstein never claimed to be all that great.
> Einstein himself said the following:
>
> "If I have seen farther, it is only because I am
> standing on the shoulders of giants."

Actually, that quote is not attributable to Einstein, it's from Sir 
Isaac Newton. (in fact there is evidence it predates him, but it the 
quote is generally referred to with Newton in mind)

Jon
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> 
>> Patrick Shanahan schreef:
> 
>>> Yes, you must be still affected by Saturday night activities now to
>>> make the previous statement.  And the post was *not* about you in
>>> particular, but feel guilty if you must.
>> ???
> 
> 
> Brown bottles of amber liquid  :^)
> 

Ahh, ..hik..beer..hik...?

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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself

[Jerry Houston]

Mark Venn wrote:
> Have you checked if the CPU fan is running OK and are the fins on the
> heat sink clear of crud. I sorted a system that was shutting down by
> cleaning off a layer of dust that looked like felt it was so badly
> blocked. 
>   

Exactly the same thing happened with a Toshiba laptop of mine.  After
removing the felt, it now runs indefinitely without shutting down,
whereas before, it used to run for only 20 or so minutes at a time.

With that computer, however, the symptom wasn't that it would reboot. 
Instead, it would simply quit, and become nonresponsive.  I'd need to
power it down and restart it, after which it would continue for a short
while, then repeat.
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[Mark Venn]

Have you checked if the CPU fan is running OK and are the fins on the
heat sink clear of crud. I sorted a system that was shutting down by
cleaning off a layer of dust that looked like felt it was so badly
blocked. 

On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 14:58 -0600, Rajko M. wrote:
> On Saturday 05 January 2008 01:48:45 pm Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
> > Shibu Basheer escribió:
> > > HI Felix, Thanks for you suggestions.  I've ruled both the problem,
> > > because the system is running quite stable in safe mode,
> >
> > Your box 's CPU is overheating, check that instead or later you will
> > find a nice and useless burnt CPU.
> 
> I had shutdown problem and it was too hot CPU. System was unable to run 
> longer 
> than to the login screen, and than it will shut down. Though, under the 
> different conditions it will probably run longer until some CPU intensive 
> operation will be started and than shut down anyway. 
> 
> Shibu should be able to go to the BIOS and check temperature. 
> Boot in a normal way (no safe settings) wait or do some CPU intensive 
> operation and straight after spontaneous shutdown go direct in BIOS menu with 
> temperature monitor and see what temperature is.
> 
> Temperature close to upper limit (1 or 2 C) would mean that hadware problem 
> can't be ruled out. 
> 
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> You're one of the worst off-topic posters around, so I don't think you should 
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> 
> In any case, it was Saturday. Some days you have to let loose

Yes, you must be still affected by Saturday night activities now to
make the previous statement.  And the post was *not* about you in
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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself

[Anders Johansson]

On Sunday 06 January 2008 16:15:02 Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * Billie Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-06-08 09:56]:
> > Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
> > > Oh..I see.. I will have to change my email message quotes, not due the
> > > highly dubious and questionable article you linked, but because it
> > > created yet another useless, off-topic discussion... **sigh**
> >
> > I wouldn't worry to much about it. It seems that most posts on this list
> > tend to run off-topic after the first couple posts.
>
> Yes, Chris is *sadly* missed here.  This thread would have been
> *terminated* and those ignoring the termination would have found
> themselves unable to post.

You're one of the worst off-topic posters around, so I don't think you should 
speak too loudly

In any case, it was Saturday. Some days you have to let loose

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> >
> > Oh..I see.. I will have to change my email message quotes, not due the
> > highly dubious and questionable article you linked, but because it
> > created yet another useless, off-topic discussion... **sigh**
> 
> 
> I wouldn't worry to much about it. It seems that most posts on this list
> tend to run off-topic after the first couple posts.


Yes, Chris is *sadly* missed here.  This thread would have been
*terminated* and those ignoring the termination would have found
themselves unable to post.  

Shame

After all, the OT list *was* created especially for those finding that
type of coversation necessary.


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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself

[Billie Walsh]

Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
> Philippe Landau escribió:
>
>   
>>> "The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education." -
>>> Albert Einstein
>>>   
>> His plagiarism interfered just as much.
>> http://nexusmagazine.com/articles/einstein.html
>> 
>
> Oh..I see.. I will have to change my email message quotes, not due the
> highly dubious and questionable article you linked, but because it
> created yet another useless, off-topic discussion... **sigh**


I wouldn't worry to much about it. It seems that most posts on this list
tend to run off-topic after the first couple posts.
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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself

[Cristian Rodríguez]

Philippe Landau escribió:

>> "The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education." -
>> Albert Einstein
> His plagiarism interfered just as much.
> http://nexusmagazine.com/articles/einstein.html

Oh..I see.. I will have to change my email message quotes, not due the
highly dubious and questionable article you linked, but because it
created yet another useless, off-topic discussion... **sigh**.


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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself

[Aaron Kulkis]

Philippe Landau wrote:

Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

Shibu Basheer escribió:

HI Felix, Thanks for you suggestions.  I've ruled both the problem,
because the system is running quite stable in safe mode,

Your box 's CPU is overheating, check that instead or later you will
find a nice and useless burnt CPU.

Nice and useless ? :-)


"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education." -
Albert Einstein

>

His plagiarism interfered just as much.
http://nexusmagazine.com/articles/einstein.html


Einstein never claimed to be doing anything original.
All he did was assume that ALL of the experimental
data was, in fact, correct, even though it appeared
to be contradictory.  He then asked himself, if all
of this data is correct, then what is the explanation
for it all?

What Einstein did is was to take the physics community
and reposition the viewpoint to the one place where
ALL of the data made sense simultaneously.

Einstein never claimed to be all that great.
Einstein himself said the following:

"If I have seen farther, it is only because I am
standing on the shoulders of giants."

He readily acknowledged the work of Maxwell, Planck,
Rutherford, and others, as being ESSENTIAL to the
understanding of his theory.

And by the way, no, I'm not Jewish.


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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself

[Hans Witvliet]

On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 14:58 -0600, Rajko M. wrote:
> On Saturday 05 January 2008 01:48:45 pm Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
> > Shibu Basheer escribió:
> > > HI Felix, Thanks for you suggestions.  I've ruled both the problem,
> > > because the system is running quite stable in safe mode,
> >
> > Your box 's CPU is overheating, check that instead or later you will
> > find a nice and useless burnt CPU.
> 
> I had shutdown problem and it was too hot CPU. System was unable to run 
> longer 
> than to the login screen, and than it will shut down. Though, under the 
> different conditions it will probably run longer until some CPU intensive 
> operation will be started and than shut down anyway. 
> 
> Shibu should be able to go to the BIOS and check temperature. 
> Boot in a normal way (no safe settings) wait or do some CPU intensive 
> operation and straight after spontaneous shutdown go direct in BIOS menu with 
> temperature monitor and see what temperature is.
> 
> Temperature close to upper limit (1 or 2 C) would mean that hadware problem 
> can't be ruled out. 
> 

BTW, not only a cpu is power-hungry,
How about the vga-chip?
If that draws too much amps, perhaps the psu can not cope any further,
and gives a spike

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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself

[Rajko M.]

On Saturday 05 January 2008 03:15:54 pm Felix Miata wrote:
> > Shibu should be able to go to the BIOS and check temperature.
> > Boot in a normal way (no safe settings) wait or do some CPU intensive
> > operation and straight after spontaneous shutdown go direct in BIOS menu
> > with temperature monitor and see what temperature is.
> >
> > Temperature close to upper limit (1 or 2 C) would mean that hadware
> > problem can't be ruled out.
>
> I'm of the opinion that CPU temperature sensors vary widely in their
> accuracy. IOW, some will report too hot when in fact temp is well within
> tolerance, while on the other extreme, they can read so low that the CPU
> can be damaged from excess heat without warning.

I do agree on this, that is the reason to tell that hardware problem should 
not be ruled out if temperature is close to the limit. It should be 
investigated thoroughly, but for the further ideas there is need some 
numbers, CPU type, MB type, computer vendor, any work done on computer, dust 
level on fans and heatsinks, etc. 

> This sounds like a possible case of the former, where the max tolerance
> setting in the BIOS needs to be higher to properly reflect actual CPU
> operation. The result if this is true is that the OS sensor software sees
> the limit hit prematurely, and shuts the system down needlessly. This is
> easily fixed by upping the BIOS limit by 5C or 10C.

This can be done, but one should make sure it is proper solution, or have 
spare CPU and try and see ;-) 

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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself

[Felix Miata]

On 2008/01/05 15:58 (GMT-0500) Rajko M. apparently typed:

> On Saturday 05 January 2008 01:48:45 pm Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

>> Shibu Basheer escribió:

>> > I've ruled both the problem,
>> > because the system is running quite stable in safe mode,

>> Your box 's CPU is overheating, check that instead or later you will
>> find a nice and useless burnt CPU.

> I had shutdown problem and it was too hot CPU. System was unable to run 
> longer 
> than to the login screen, and than it will shut down. Though, under the 
> different conditions it will probably run longer until some CPU intensive 
> operation will be started and than shut down anyway. 

> Shibu should be able to go to the BIOS and check temperature. 
> Boot in a normal way (no safe settings) wait or do some CPU intensive 
> operation and straight after spontaneous shutdown go direct in BIOS menu with 
> temperature monitor and see what temperature is.

> Temperature close to upper limit (1 or 2 C) would mean that hadware problem 
> can't be ruled out. 

I'm of the opinion that CPU temperature sensors vary widely in their
accuracy. IOW, some will report too hot when in fact temp is well within
tolerance, while on the other extreme, they can read so low that the CPU can
be damaged from excess heat without warning.

This sounds like a possible case of the former, where the max tolerance
setting in the BIOS needs to be higher to properly reflect actual CPU
operation. The result if this is true is that the OS sensor software sees the
limit hit prematurely, and shuts the system down needlessly. This is easily
fixed by upping the BIOS limit by 5C or 10C.
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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself

[Randall R Schulz]

On Saturday 05 January 2008 06:50, Shibu Basheer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a new installation of Open Suse.  I find it to randomly shuts
> down, just like someone accidently presses the power button, or issue
> the shutodown command.   There are no prompts, messages or anything,
> just starts shutting down closing everything that I've been doing.

Is this an orderly shutdown where the system switches run-levels and 
then powers of, or is it abrupt? Secondly, can you ascertain a pattern 
to when it shuts down, or is it apparently random?

I had a system (actually, I still have an use it) that one day began 
exhibiting this sort of behavior. Specifically, it would behave as if 
the reset button had been pressed. It really bugged and perplexed me 
until one day I was connecting something (either USB or audio) to a 
front-panel connector and the system reset. This was the clue I needed. 
It turned out that there was an intermittent short in a USB connector 
on the front panel between its power line and ground. When this short 
occurred, the system would reset.

I "solved" this problem through the simple expedient of disconnecting 
that front-panel USB port.


> ...
>
> Thank you.


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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself

[Felix Miata]

On 2008/01/06 01:17 (GMT+0530) Shibu Basheer apparently typed:

> Thanks for all your suggestions.  I really do not think this is a CPU
> over hearting issue.  This is what I found :

> After much testing with various combinations, I have pinned down the
> problem to issue happening only when bootup into init  5.  i.e. even
> if I boot in safe mode with init 5 with acpi=off  this issue persists.

> However if I boot into init 3, and then I start kde with startx after
> logging in to text console, the system is stable.

With standard Grub stanza instead of failsafe?

> Any ideas?

You did do updates as soon as you finished the install, right?

If you have a vga= (framebuffer) parameter on default cmdline, try booting
with it removed. If you don't, try adding one (e.g. vga=788).

Maybe adding nolapic to default cmdline might help.

Try appending acpi=off on default cmdline.

If this isn't exactly what you described above, append 3 on default cmdline,
then use startx.
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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself

[Rajko M.]

On Saturday 05 January 2008 01:48:45 pm Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
> Shibu Basheer escribió:
> > HI Felix, Thanks for you suggestions.  I've ruled both the problem,
> > because the system is running quite stable in safe mode,
>
> Your box 's CPU is overheating, check that instead or later you will
> find a nice and useless burnt CPU.

I had shutdown problem and it was too hot CPU. System was unable to run longer 
than to the login screen, and than it will shut down. Though, under the 
different conditions it will probably run longer until some CPU intensive 
operation will be started and than shut down anyway. 

Shibu should be able to go to the BIOS and check temperature. 
Boot in a normal way (no safe settings) wait or do some CPU intensive 
operation and straight after spontaneous shutdown go direct in BIOS menu with 
temperature monitor and see what temperature is.

Temperature close to upper limit (1 or 2 C) would mean that hadware problem 
can't be ruled out. 

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The Sunday 2008-01-06 at 01:47 +0530, Shibu Basheer wrote:


Thanks for all your suggestions.  I really do not think this is a CPU
over hearting issue.  This is what I found :


Before ruling that out completely, install something to read the cpu 
temperature, like gkrellm.



After much testing with various combinations, I have pinned down the
problem to issue happening only when bootup into init  5.  i.e. even
if I boot in safe mode with init 5 with acpi=off  this issue persists.

However if I boot into init 3, and then I start kde with startx after
logging in to text console, the system is stable.

Any ideas?


Power management thinking you pressed the power button. Perhaps you can 
see that in the logs.



Some one was having a similar issue in the Spanish list last October 
(Thread: portatil loco) - I finally found it. The solution we found was to 
edit /etc/powersave/events, and change the line:


EVENT_BUTTON_SLEEP="suspend_to_disk"

to "ignore". My very wild but educated guess here is you change the line:

EVENT_BUTTON_POWER="wm_shutdown"

to "ignore". Try it and see if it works. You may need to reboot, but try 
"rcpowersaved restart" first as root in a console, then login.


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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself

[Philippe Landau]

Shibu Basheer wrote:
>>> HI Felix, Thanks for you suggestions.  I've ruled both the problem,
>>> because the system is running quite stable in safe mode,
>> Your box 's CPU is overheating, check that instead or later you will
>> find a nice and useless burnt CPU.
> Thanks for all your suggestions.  I really do not think this is a CPU
> over hearting issue.  This is what I found :
> 
> After much testing with various combinations, I have pinned down the
> problem to issue happening only when bootup into init  5.  i.e. even
> if I boot in safe mode with init 5 with acpi=off  this issue persists.
> 
> However if I boot into init 3, and then I start kde with startx after
> logging in to text console, the system is stable.
Great.

> Any ideas?
Wait and test some more :-)
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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself

[Anders Johansson]

On Saturday 05 January 2008 21:02:53 Philippe Landau wrote:
> His plagiarism interfered just as much.
> http://nexusmagazine.com/articles/einstein.html

Rule number 1 on cranks and crackpots: a paper that only quotes secondary 
sources and encyclopaedias is not written by a competent person

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The Saturday 2008-01-05 at 16:48 -0300, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:


Shibu Basheer escribió:


HI Felix, Thanks for you suggestions.  I've ruled both the problem,
because the system is running quite stable in safe mode,


Your box 's CPU is overheating, check that instead or later you will
find a nice and useless burnt CPU.


But perhaps he will not be able to check the cpu temperature if in normal 
mode the machine shuts down, and in safe mode it doesn't read 
temperatures.


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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself

[Shibu Basheer]

On Jan 6, 2008 1:18 AM, Cristian Rodríguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shibu Basheer escribió:
>
> > HI Felix, Thanks for you suggestions.  I've ruled both the problem,
> > because the system is running quite stable in safe mode,
>
> Your box 's CPU is overheating, check that instead or later you will
> find a nice and useless burnt CPU.


Hi Guys,

Thanks for all your suggestions.  I really do not think this is a CPU
over hearting issue.  This is what I found :

After much testing with various combinations, I have pinned down the
problem to issue happening only when bootup into init  5.  i.e. even
if I boot in safe mode with init 5 with acpi=off  this issue persists.

However if I boot into init 3, and then I start kde with startx after
logging in to text console, the system is stable.

Any ideas?

Thanks.
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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself

[Philippe Landau]

Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
> Shibu Basheer escribió:
>> HI Felix, Thanks for you suggestions.  I've ruled both the problem,
>> because the system is running quite stable in safe mode,
> Your box 's CPU is overheating, check that instead or later you will
> find a nice and useless burnt CPU.
Nice and useless ? :-)

> "The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education." -
> Albert Einstein
His plagiarism interfered just as much.
http://nexusmagazine.com/articles/einstein.html

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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself

[Cristian Rodríguez]

Shibu Basheer escribió:

> HI Felix, Thanks for you suggestions.  I've ruled both the problem,
> because the system is running quite stable in safe mode,

Your box 's CPU is overheating, check that instead or later you will
find a nice and useless burnt CPU.



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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself

[Felix Miata]

On 2008/01/05 21:11 (GMT+0530) Shibu Basheer apparently typed:

> On Jan 5, 2008 9:09 PM, Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> On 2008/01/05 20:50 (GMT+0530) Shibu Basheer apparently typed:

>> > I have a new installation of Open Suse.  I find it to randomly shuts
>> > down, just like someone accidently presses the power button, or issue
>> > the shutodown command.   There are no prompts, messages or anything,
>> > just starts shutting down closing everything that I've been doing.

>> > Any ideas on how to isolate this problem?  BTW, this has happened on
>> > another computer, but AMD CPUs, only common component was the memory,
>> > and a TV card.

>> One possibility is an erroneous indication of CPU overheat. If you know how
>> and your BIOS provides the means to do so, you can underclock your system by
>> about 25% to see if the problem stops. If it does, you'll have to
>> troubleshoot the cause of the erroneous indication. IIRC, it is caused by two
>> daemons both trying to monitor CPU temp at the same time.

>> Another possibility is TV card related. TV cards seem to demand a lot of
>> power, maybe more than your power supply can reliably provide. You can
>> temporarily remove the card to see if this is your problem.

> HI Felix, Thanks for you suggestions.  I've ruled both the problem,
> because the system is running quite stable in safe mode, and I have
> been running a long tv scan with tvtime.

Failsafe mode uses acpi=off on cmdline, which would probably disable the
ability to monitor CPU temperature or the ability to do anything as a result
of the CPU temperature state.

> So it looks like it is some kernel parameter, or something that is
> enabled during normal bootup?
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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself

[Shibu Basheer]

On Jan 5, 2008 9:09 PM, Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2008/01/05 20:50 (GMT+0530) Shibu Basheer apparently typed:
>
> > I have a new installation of Open Suse.  I find it to randomly shuts
> > down, just like someone accidently presses the power button, or issue
> > the shutodown command.   There are no prompts, messages or anything,
> > just starts shutting down closing everything that I've been doing.
>
> > Any ideas on how to isolate this problem?  BTW, this has happened on
> > another computer, but AMD CPUs, only common component was the memory,
> > and a TV card.
>
> One possibility is an erroneous indication of CPU overheat. If you know how
> and your BIOS provides the means to do so, you can underclock your system by
> about 25% to see if the problem stops. If it does, you'll have to
> troubleshoot the cause of the erroneous indication. IIRC, it is caused by two
> daemons both trying to monitor CPU temp at the same time.
>
> Another possibility is TV card related. TV cards seem to demand a lot of
> power, maybe more than your power supply can reliably provide. You can
> temporarily remove the card to see if this is your problem.

HI Felix, Thanks for you suggestions.  I've ruled both the problem,
because the system is running quite stable in safe mode, and I have
been running a long tv scan with tvtime.

So it looks like it is some kernel parameter, or something that is
enabled during normal bootup?
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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself

[Shibu Basheer]

>
> The Saturday 2008-01-05 at 20:20 +0530, Shibu Basheer wrote:
>
> > I have a new installation of Open Suse.  I find it to randomly shuts
> > down, just like someone accidently presses the power button, or issue
> > the shutodown command.   There are no prompts, messages or anything,
> > just starts shutting down closing everything that I've been doing.
>
> I think I remember something like this... but I can't remember the subject
> of the thread to find it out.
>

I have now been running on  safe mode for quite some time without this
problem.  Seems to be stable now.  So could it be some drivers or
power option or something that is causing this?  I have everything I
need in safe mode, but I dont want to choose safe mode each time I
bootup.

How do I troubleshoot what the shutdown problem in the normal mode?

Thank you!
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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself

[Felix Miata]

On 2008/01/05 20:50 (GMT+0530) Shibu Basheer apparently typed:

> I have a new installation of Open Suse.  I find it to randomly shuts
> down, just like someone accidently presses the power button, or issue
> the shutodown command.   There are no prompts, messages or anything,
> just starts shutting down closing everything that I've been doing.

> Any ideas on how to isolate this problem?  BTW, this has happened on
> another computer, but AMD CPUs, only common component was the memory,
> and a TV card.

One possibility is an erroneous indication of CPU overheat. If you know how
and your BIOS provides the means to do so, you can underclock your system by
about 25% to see if the problem stops. If it does, you'll have to
troubleshoot the cause of the erroneous indication. IIRC, it is caused by two
daemons both trying to monitor CPU temp at the same time.

Another possibility is TV card related. TV cards seem to demand a lot of
power, maybe more than your power supply can reliably provide. You can
temporarily remove the card to see if this is your problem.
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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself

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I have a new installation of Open Suse.  I find it to randomly shuts
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the shutodown command.   There are no prompts, messages or anything,
just starts shutting down closing everything that I've been doing.


I think I remember something like this... but I can't remember the subject 
of the thread to find it out.


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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself

[Masaru Nomiya]

Hello,

In the Message; 

  Subject: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 shutting down by itself
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  Date & Time: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 20:20:27 +0530

[Shibu] == "Shibu Basheer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> has written:

Shibu> I have a new installation of Open Suse.  I find it to randomly shuts
Shibu> down, just like someone accidently presses the power button, or issue
Shibu> the shutodown command.   There are no prompts, messages or anything,
Shibu> just starts shutting down closing everything that I've been doing.

Shibu> Any ideas on how to isolate this problem?  BTW, this has happened on
Shibu> another computer, but AMD CPUs, only common component was the memory,
Shibu> and a TV card.

IMHO, the memory is the cause.
Just run memtest86, you can confirm this.

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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 - Amule Installed - Server List

[David]

Bah! Sorry for all these posts, I like to help but get very nervous about  
giving correct advice.
I wanted to add that it would be just as easy to copy the link and paste  
it into amule on the Searchs page, same as any other manually added link.

Right I hope that covers it now.
Sorry once again for all these posts,
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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 - Amule Installed - Server List

[David]

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:03:58 -, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Oops, quick update to this:

You can download an ed2k serverlist from here:  
http://peerates.net/peerates/ Clicking on the "Peerates Servers List"  
link should automatically load the list into your amule.


Clicking the link will only work if your browser is set up to use the  
/usr/bin/ed2k program to handle ed2k links. If you can't do this then  
paste the direct link to the file:
"http://peerates.net/servers.php"; into the box at the top of  
Networks->ed2k and click the arrow to download.


Sorry for that oversight.

Cheers,
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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 - Amule Installed - Server List

[David]

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:38:05 -, Sergio Sabag  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I just installed Amule on 10.3 and it does not work.

It is saying there is no server list, it asked me to download. I click  
OK.


I does not download  !!
Any help please

Thanks

Hi Sergio,
The amule forum can be found at: http://www.amule.org/
You can download an ed2k serverlist from here:  
http://peerates.net/peerates/ Clicking on the "Peerates Servers List" link  
should automatically load the list into your amule.


I would recommend (starting with an empty list, which you already have)  
going in amule preferences to 'Server' and un-ticking "Update serverlist  
when connecting to a server" and "Update serverlist when a client  
connect", before downloading the new list as this will avoid your picking  
up "fake" servers.

Happy New year,
David

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 system freeze when reading secondary IDE channel

[Theo Wollenleben]

Am Sonntag, 30. Dezember 2007 schrieb Theo Wollenleben:
> Am Sonntag, 30. Dezember 2007 schrieb Joe Morris (NTM):
> > On 12/30/2007 03:57 AM, Theo Wollenleben wrote:
> > > So if anybody knows how to disable libata without to reinstall, please
> > > tell me. I don't want to reinstall openSUSE 10.3 because the last time
> > > I went through the installation procedure one of my partitions was
> > > cleared from all data...
> >
> > You will need to change your drives device naming to correspond to the
> > older method, i.e. hdx for ide, sdx for scsi (including cd and dvd
> > drives) instead of sdx for drives and srx for optical (replace x with
> > letter for drives and numbers for optical [no partitions].  This will
> > need to be done in /etc/fstab, /boot/grub (at least menu.lst and
> > device.map, as well as your modules used for your initrd in
> > /etc/sysconfig/kernel and rebuild your initrd.  Probably best to do all
> > that after booting into the rescue system mode.  HTH.
>
> I used the YaST sysconfig editor to replaced 'pata_via' by 'ide_disk' in
> INITRD_MODULES and changed my drives device naming
> in /boot/menu.lst, /boot/device.map and /etc/fstab (sda -> hda, sdb -> hdd
> in my case). It seems to work fine. Now ide drives are named /dev/hd* and
> there are no system freezes any more while reading the secondary IDE
> channel.

The old ide drivers seem to work fine as long as it doesn't come to using 
DVD-RAMs. To write and read them in a reliable way I have to use a packet 
device now. I also hear a squeaking of my hard drive from time to time as I 
was used to from previous versions of SUSE.
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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 system freeze when reading secondary IDE channel

[Theo Wollenleben]

Am Sonntag, 30. Dezember 2007 schrieb Joe Morris (NTM):
> On 12/30/2007 03:57 AM, Theo Wollenleben wrote:
> > Thank you for pointing my attention to the libata problem. Indeed when I
> > start the Live CD with 'hwprobe=-modules.pata' no system freeze will
> > occur. Apparently this boot parameter has no effect on an already
> > installed system.
>
> Actually it does, but I suspect not what you were expecting.
>
> > So if anybody knows how to disable libata without to reinstall, please
> > tell me. I don't want to reinstall openSUSE 10.3 because the last time I
> > went through the installation procedure one of my partitions was cleared
> > from all data...
>
> You will need to change your drives device naming to correspond to the
> older method, i.e. hdx for ide, sdx for scsi (including cd and dvd
> drives) instead of sdx for drives and srx for optical (replace x with
> letter for drives and numbers for optical [no partitions].  This will
> need to be done in /etc/fstab, /boot/grub (at least menu.lst and
> device.map, as well as your modules used for your initrd in
> /etc/sysconfig/kernel and rebuild your initrd.  Probably best to do all
> that after booting into the rescue system mode.  HTH.

I used the YaST sysconfig editor to replaced 'pata_via' by 'ide_disk' in 
INITRD_MODULES and changed my drives device naming 
in /boot/menu.lst, /boot/device.map and /etc/fstab (sda -> hda, sdb -> hdd in 
my case). It seems to work fine. Now ide drives are named /dev/hd* and there 
are no system freezes any more while reading the secondary IDE channel.

Instead of booting into the rescue system mode I did this within the normal 
booted system. There also was no need to disable the secondary
IDE controller as Felix suggested. Thank you all for the help.
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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 system freeze when reading secondary IDE channel

[Joe Morris (NTM)]

On 12/30/2007 03:57 AM, Theo Wollenleben wrote:
> Thank you for pointing my attention to the libata problem. Indeed when I 
> start 
> the Live CD with 'hwprobe=-modules.pata' no system freeze will occur. 
> Apparently this boot parameter has no effect on an already installed system. 
>   
Actually it does, but I suspect not what you were expecting.
> So if anybody knows how to disable libata without to reinstall, please tell 
> me. I don't want to reinstall openSUSE 10.3 because the last time I went 
> through the installation procedure one of my partitions was cleared from all 
> data...
>
>   
You will need to change your drives device naming to correspond to the
older method, i.e. hdx for ide, sdx for scsi (including cd and dvd
drives) instead of sdx for drives and srx for optical (replace x with
letter for drives and numbers for optical [no partitions].  This will
need to be done in /etc/fstab, /boot/grub (at least menu.lst and
device.map, as well as your modules used for your initrd in
/etc/sysconfig/kernel and rebuild your initrd.  Probably best to do all
that after booting into the rescue system mode.  HTH.

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 system freeze when reading secondary IDE channel

[Felix Miata]

On 2007/12/29 20:57 (GMT+0100) Theo Wollenleben apparently typed:

> Thank you for pointing my attention to the libata problem. Indeed when I 
> start 
> the Live CD with 'hwprobe=-modules.pata' no system freeze will occur. 
> Apparently this boot parameter has no effect on an already installed system. 
> So if anybody knows how to disable libata without to reinstall, please tell 
> me. I don't want to reinstall openSUSE 10.3 because the last time I went 
> through the installation procedure one of my partitions was cleared from all 
> data...

What will probably work is reboot into BIOS setup and disable the secondary
IDE controller. If it won't let you do that, pop the cover and remove the
power cables from any devices on the secondary controller. Then boot normally
and rebuild your initrd in a manner similar to the description at
http://archives.mandrivalinux.com/cooker/2007-11/msg00387.php . Before
rebooting with that initrd, check to see no devices in /etc/fstab are
referred to as /dev/sdX, and fix any that are.
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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 system freeze when reading secondary IDE channel

[Theo Wollenleben]

Am Sonntag, 16. Dezember 2007 schrieb Greg Freemyer:
> On Dec 16, 2007 11:41 AM, Theo Wollenleben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > After upgrading from SUSE 10.1 to openSUSE 10.3 I'm experiencing system
> > freezes when reading data from the secondary IDE channel.

[...]

> I suspect one of your problems is that (by default) 10.3 has problems
> with some CD / DVD players that somehow impacts HDD is the system.
> (ie. ATAPI devices).
>
> See Novell Bugzilla 331610 for a little of the history.  And when its
> fixed, I suspect that bugzilla will get updated.
>
> Until then, I would try to use the traditional ide drivers.  The 10.3
> release notes tell you how to invoke them instead of the new ones that
> 10.3 defaults to.

Thank you for pointing my attention to the libata problem. Indeed when I start 
the Live CD with 'hwprobe=-modules.pata' no system freeze will occur. 
Apparently this boot parameter has no effect on an already installed system. 
So if anybody knows how to disable libata without to reinstall, please tell 
me. I don't want to reinstall openSUSE 10.3 because the last time I went 
through the installation procedure one of my partitions was cleared from all 
data...

I also added my report to Novell's Bugzilla where someone had already 
described the same problem: 
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=336063
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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse 10.3 installer not able to find (DVD) medium on HP dx2255

[Michael Fischer]

On Thu, Dec 20, Hans Egghart wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm trying to install OpenSUSE 1.3 on a HP dx2255
 ^^^
 ^^^

I assume you meant 10.3?


> desktop:
> http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12724_div/12724_div.HTML
> 
> It has a TSSTcorp (Samsung) DVD-writer.
> 
> After booting the install kernel, it does not find the
> dvd drive ("Could not find the openSUSE Repository").
> 
> Are there special driver parameters I need to pass to
> the libata, pata_via or sata_via kernel modules (or
> general kernel parameters I need to set) for the
> install kernel to recognize the dvd/cd drive?

I've run into this one before.

There's a wiki page on a related problem:

http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:CD_not_found_problem

Mind, the insmod suggestions there did not work for me,
even with an SATA DVD drive. However, swapping the 
disk connectors around so that the DVD drive was in slot 1.

You might try that if all else fails.

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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse 10.3 installer not able to find (DVD) medium on HP dx2255

[Constant Brouerius van nidek]

On Thursday 20 December 2007 23:49:42 peter nikolic wrote:
> On Thursday 20 December 2007, Hans Egghart wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I'm trying to install OpenSUSE 1.3 on a HP dx2255
> > desktop:
> > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12724_div/12724_div.HTML
> >
> > It has a TSSTcorp (Samsung) DVD-writer.
> >
> > After booting the install kernel, it does not find the
> > dvd drive ("Could not find the openSUSE Repository").
> >
> > Are there special driver parameters I need to pass to
> > the libata, pata_via or sata_via kernel modules (or
> > general kernel parameters I need to set) for the
> > install kernel to recognize the dvd/cd drive?
> >
> > Any help is appreciated.
> >
Have the same problem with my desktop. No CD/DVD drive.
Have to live without their use until the problem is solved.
Has something to do with  libata, whatever that is.
Somebody informed me that "Tejun Heo of Novell
is trying to get a big collection of "ATAPI" related fixes into the
vanilla kernel, and I assume they will eventually come out for 10.3's
kernel".
Just be on the lookout for patches for the kernel from Tejun.



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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse 10.3 installer not able to find (DVD) medium on HP dx2255

[peter nikolic]

On Thursday 20 December 2007, Hans Egghart wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm trying to install OpenSUSE 1.3 on a HP dx2255
> desktop:
> http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12724_div/12724_div.HTML
>
> It has a TSSTcorp (Samsung) DVD-writer.
>
> After booting the install kernel, it does not find the
> dvd drive ("Could not find the openSUSE Repository").
>
> Are there special driver parameters I need to pass to
> the libata, pata_via or sata_via kernel modules (or
> general kernel parameters I need to set) for the
> install kernel to recognize the dvd/cd drive?
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> thanks!
>
>
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Seems the problem has migrated from Blue White 64 Linux the 64 bit Slackware 
distro  i had to give up on it because of that sefl same problem could not 
sort it out then   best of luck ..  

I will be watching with interest .


I was / am using an Compaq Presario V5030   with the same DVD  drive in it   . 
having said that it is now running Opensuse 10.3 GM   with very few updates 
on it i have learnt the hard way not to trust updates till someone else has 
ironed out the killers ..


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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse 10.3 installer not able to find (DVD) medium on HP dx2255

[jdd]

Hans Egghart wrote:

Hi,
I'm trying to install OpenSUSE 1.3 on a HP dx2255
desktop:
http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12724_div/12724_div.HTML

It has a TSSTcorp (Samsung) DVD-writer.


my acer have a TSST TS-L623D drive and have no problem

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 system freeze when reading secondary IDE channel

[Greg Freemyer]

On Dec 16, 2007 11:41 AM, Theo Wollenleben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> After upgrading from SUSE 10.1 to openSUSE 10.3 I'm experiencing system
> freezes when reading data from the secondary IDE channel. I've got two drives
> both a hard disk and a optical drive on both the primary and the secondary
> channel. This problem seems to appear only when using the mouse while reading
> data with high transfer rates from the secondary IDE channel. These freezes
> didn't happen under SUSE 10.1 (Kernel version 2.6.16) and don't happen under
> Knoppix 5.0.1 (Kernel version 2.6.17). They also happen when I'm using the
> openSUSE 10.3 Live CD KDE.
>
> No freeze occurs while writing data. While reading, the higher the data
> transfer rates the sooner the freeze will happen. In most cases first the
> mouse freezes followed by the keyboard. Sometimes I can still trigger an
> Emergency Sync by pressing ALT+SysRq+S but I cannot control the KDE desktop
> or switch to a console with the keyboard. Often I can shutdown the computer
> properly by pressing the power button of my PC but sometimes even this won't
> work and I have to reset the computer.
>
> Maybe I should also mention that since the upgrade I'm encountering
> occasionally sporadic freezes of the whole computer, mostly with blinking
> LEDs on the keyboard.
>
> Any hints to solve this problem are appreciated.

Theo,

I suspect one of your problems is that (by default) 10.3 has problems
with some CD / DVD players that somehow impacts HDD is the system.
(ie. ATAPI devices).

See Novell Bugzilla 331610 for a little of the history.  And when its
fixed, I suspect that bugzilla will get updated.

Until then, I would try to use the traditional ide drivers.  The 10.3
release notes tell you how to invoke them instead of the new ones that
10.3 defaults to.

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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.3 - mysql-query-browser-5.0r12-56 Broken

[David C. Rankin]

Sunny wrote:
> On Dec 3, 2007 6:13 PM, David C. Rankin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Folks,
>>
>>Among other things, mysql-query-browser-5.0r12-56 is broken in 10.3.
>> The app starts, but freezes as soon as you select a schema. It works
>> fine in 10.0 and worked fine in 10.2. What gives? Anybody else have any
>> experience like this? It won't even connect to the menagerie test
>> database -- that's bad...
>>
>>Also, is this something I should file a bug on with Novell or mysql?
>>
>>
>>
> 
> I already opened a ticket some time ago:
> 
> 
> Please, add your comments there.
> 
> Cheers
> 
will do Sunny. It seems that it is related to xorg 7.3. I have
downgraded to xorg 7.2 a few days ago and query browser magically
started working again... Go figure

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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.3 - mysql-query-browser-5.0r12-56 Broken

[Sunny]

On Dec 3, 2007 6:13 PM, David C. Rankin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Folks,
>
>Among other things, mysql-query-browser-5.0r12-56 is broken in 10.3.
> The app starts, but freezes as soon as you select a schema. It works
> fine in 10.0 and worked fine in 10.2. What gives? Anybody else have any
> experience like this? It won't even connect to the menagerie test
> database -- that's bad...
>
>Also, is this something I should file a bug on with Novell or mysql?
>
>
>

I already opened a ticket some time ago:


Please, add your comments there.

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Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking revisited

[Linda Walsh]

nordi wrote:
However, comparing results to 10.0 shows that overall, the performance 
of the base system is still not as good as it could be, at least in this 
benchmark. Suse 10.0 still scores higher in most areas. Since the 
syscall test scores are ~12% lower than in 10.0, it seems logical that 
the slowdown is due to the kernel. It would be interesting to see if the 
vanilla kernel suffers from the same slowdown or if this is specific to 
Suse.

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I suppose it will vary depending on what options you configure
in at build time.   Most people believe that auditing will degrade
performance to some extent.  Examples to the contrary seem to be
generally ill remembered (or maybe just not well known).

Auditing doesn't have to slow things down so noticeably
though -- especially when turned off! :-)  Concepts like limiting
auditing to those system calls that change the security state (vs.
a blanket auditing of every system call) and using a block-device for
kernel->user space implementation are probably basic.  Beyond that,
depends on what gets audited...

-linda

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RE: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking revisited

[Morten Bjørnsvik]

 |-Original Message-
|From: nordi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
|Sent: 3. desember 2007 19:36
|To: suse
|Subject: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking revisited
|
|The current version of openSuse 10.3 easily outscores the GM version. 

Tanks for the update,Nordi, maye it is time to try 10.3 then.

Is there any plan to refresh the GM, so we do not need to patch up
so much. Redhat updates their distro CDs/DVDs from time to time.

|However, comparing results to 10.0 shows that overall, the 
|performance of the base system is still not as good as it 
|could be, at least in this benchmark. Suse 10.0 still scores 
|higher in most areas. Since the syscall test scores are ~12% 
|lower than in 10.0, it seems logical that the slowdown is due 
|to the kernel. It would be interesting to see if the vanilla 
|kernel suffers from the same slowdown or if this is specific to Suse.

If you look at the repositories you can find nightly build kernels you can test,
They are mostly vanilla + default suse kernel settings
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dipe/openSUSE_10.3/
(just remember the relevant kernel-source :-)

I've not yet updated to 10.3 but for 10.2 they all have worked fine
when I've upgraded apart from standard kernel related gotchas, like
nvidia-drivers, mb-chipsets, but all those problems have been easily
resolved searching the net. 

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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.3 Screen resolution problem.

[Yin T]

Additional info...

I selected "Control Panel"->"Graphics card and monitor".

When verifying the "Card and Monitor Properties"
Under Display 1 Tab...

Card=ATI Radeon X300/X550/X1050 Series(RV370 5B60)
Monitor=VESA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Properties
Resolution=1024x768(XGA)
Colors=16.7 Mio[24bit]
Dual Head Mode
Activate Dual Head Mode=unchecked
Activate 3D Acceleration=checked

When I clicked on Control Panel->"Screen Resolution", I found that the
resolution was 800x600 and the option to select 1024x768 disappeared.



Yin T wrote:
> 
> I have been running OpenSuse 10.3 for about 2 months now and had no
> problems until a few days ago.
> Sometimes when I boot up the system (cold or warm boot), the screen
> resolution is not correct any more.
> 
> I have my system set at 1024x768.  After I log in and go to Gnome desktop,
> the resolution seems like it is 800x600.
> 
> I tried using the "Control Panel" to reconfigure it back to 1024x768 and
> sometimes it seems to do the trick sometimes when I reboot again, the same
> problem happens again.
> 
> Could it be something that was installed when I chose to update the system
> with the latest patches.
> 
> If you need any more info to help out, please let me know.
> 
> Thanks
> 

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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse 10.3: No 3D support, Nvidia drivers notcorrectly loaded

[Rodney Baker]

On Wednesday 14 November 2007 11:15:39 pm Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
> On 11/14/2007 08:04 PM, Rodney Baker wrote:
> >> Thanks Andreas, that was my problem. It seems that "one click" file
> >> associations work with Opera & Konq, but not Firefox. This should not
> >> really be any kind of surprise to me, because FF has been nothing but a
> >> PITA on every 10.3 install I have done.
> >
> > That is unfortunate - it worked fine first time for me on a clean 10.3
> > install on my laptop. I don't think I've ever fired up either Opera or
> > Konqueror (as a web browser anyway). Were these upgrades or (completely)
> > clean installs where FF has given problems?
>
> It worked fine here in Firefox the only time I tried.  I suspect there
> is a problem with his Firefox install.
>
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Yes, I think so. That could happen if /home wasn't formatted when 
installing/upgrading to 10.3. I'd try creating a new user ID from scratch and 
then running it under Firefox and see if that works. If so, then copy the 
required data from the old /home/ to the new user ID (which will now 
have fresh config files).

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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse 10.3: No 3D support, Nvidia drivers not correctly loaded

[ka1ifq]

On Tuesday 13 November 2007 10:17:52 am Randall R Schulz wrote:
> Hans,
>
> On Tuesday 13 November 2007 07:03, Hans Lombard wrote:
> > I have been unable to identify and load the correct Nvidia drivers -
> > hence no 3D support.
>
> Go to  and look for "The easy way."
>
> It really is. (Easy.)
>
> > ...
> > Hans Lombard
> > Pretoria South Africa
>
> Randall Schulz

I tried this just now wanting to re-install the drivers after upgrade 
from 
10.2 to 10.3. The whole thing went well with no complaints, I even did a 
restart after the install to make sure it loaded the new driver / etc.
When I start yast / sax2 it says 3D not enabled - Card NOT Supported. I 
know 
it is, and I did the install when I was running 10.2 and all was well, what 
did I do wrong?

Dell C521 / Nvidia GeForce 6150LE / OpenSuse 10.3.

Thanks, Mike


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Re: [opensuse] openSuSe 10.3 + compiz-fusion: systray icons opens as small windows

[Gryffus]

You can also try my solution, it is in post 13.11.2007 15:38... It also 
solved th problem with flowing systray icons and you havent to wait 30s


Regards
   Gfs


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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [opensuse] openSuSe 10.3 + compiz-fusion: systray icons opens 
as small windows




Magnar Strand Olsen escribió:


Try to add a "sleep 5s" (or 10s) in your kde startup script (located
in ~/.kde/Autostart/) or make a small startup script and put it in
that folder.



Solved!

In my version of compiz it's started on
/opt/kde3/shared/autostart/Compiz.desktop, and in such file there is no
way to add a sleep sentence... There is a way to indicate a start
after.. but it will not work. So I've done a backup of the
Compiz.desktop file, then deleted it.
Then created a file ~/.kde/Autostart/start.sh with the following:

sleep 30
compiz-manager

10 seconds wasn't enough so I had set 30, and now all notification icons
have enough time to load before compiz-fusion starts.

Thanks for the help and I hope this to be useful for other users with
KDE and compiz-fusion.

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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse 10.3: No 3D support, Nvidia drivers notcorrectly loaded

[Joe Morris (NTM)]

On 11/14/2007 08:04 PM, Rodney Baker wrote:
>> Thanks Andreas, that was my problem. It seems that "one click" file
>> associations work with Opera & Konq, but not Firefox. This should not
>> really be any kind of surprise to me, because FF has been nothing but a
>> PITA on every 10.3 install I have done.
>> 
>
> That is unfortunate - it worked fine first time for me on a clean 10.3
> install on my laptop. I don't think I've ever fired up either Opera or
> Konqueror (as a web browser anyway). Were these upgrades or (completely)
> clean installs where FF has given problems?
It worked fine here in Firefox the only time I tried.  I suspect there
is a problem with his Firefox install.

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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse 10.3: No 3D support, Nvidia drivers not correctly loaded

[Rodney Baker]

On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 14:45 +1100, Dave Barton wrote:
>  Original Message 
> From: Andreas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed 14 Nov 2007 12:33:51 EST
> 
> > Am Dienstag, 13. November 2007 15:48:01 schrieb Dave Barton:
> >> Duh! Yes! And IF this fictitious "So Called - ONE CLICK" technology
> >> worked reliably, I would not be here asking for the application
> >> association for a ".ymp" file type.
> >
> > What webbrowser are you using?
> 
> Thanks Andreas, that was my problem. It seems that "one click" file
> associations work with Opera & Konq, but not Firefox. This should not
> really be any kind of surprise to me, because FF has been nothing but a
> PITA on every 10.3 install I have done.
> 
> Regards
> Dave
> 

That is unfortunate - it worked fine first time for me on a clean 10.3
install on my laptop. I don't think I've ever fired up either Opera or
Konqueror (as a web browser anyway). Were these upgrades or (completely)
clean installs where FF has given problems?

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Re: [opensuse] openSuSe 10.3 + compiz-fusion: systray icons opens as small windows

[Pablo Bueti]

Magnar Strand Olsen escribió:
>
> Try to add a "sleep 5s" (or 10s) in your kde startup script (located
> in ~/.kde/Autostart/) or make a small startup script and put it in
> that folder.
>   

Solved!

In my version of compiz it's started on
/opt/kde3/shared/autostart/Compiz.desktop, and in such file there is no
way to add a sleep sentence... There is a way to indicate a start
after.. but it will not work. So I've done a backup of the
Compiz.desktop file, then deleted it.
Then created a file ~/.kde/Autostart/start.sh with the following:

sleep 30
compiz-manager

10 seconds wasn't enough so I had set 30, and now all notification icons
have enough time to load before compiz-fusion starts.

Thanks for the help and I hope this to be useful for other users with
KDE and compiz-fusion.

Pablo.

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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse 10.3: No 3D support, Nvidia drivers not correctly loaded

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message 
From: Andreas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed 14 Nov 2007 12:33:51 EST

> Am Dienstag, 13. November 2007 15:48:01 schrieb Dave Barton:
>> Duh! Yes! And IF this fictitious "So Called - ONE CLICK" technology
>> worked reliably, I would not be here asking for the application
>> association for a ".ymp" file type.
>
> What webbrowser are you using?

Thanks Andreas, that was my problem. It seems that "one click" file
associations work with Opera & Konq, but not Firefox. This should not
really be any kind of surprise to me, because FF has been nothing but a
PITA on every 10.3 install I have done.

Regards
Dave

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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse 10.3: No 3D support, Nvidia drivers not correctly loaded

[Andreas]

Am Dienstag, 13. November 2007 15:48:01 schrieb Dave Barton:
> Duh! Yes! And IF this fictitious "So Called - ONE CLICK" technology
> worked reliably, I would not be here asking for the application
> association for a ".ymp" file type.

What webbrowser are you using?

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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse 10.3: No 3D support, Nvidia drivers not correctly loaded

[Dave Barton]

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From: Joe Morris (NTM) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: opensuse@opensuse.org
Date: Wed 14 Nov 2007 10:59:23 EST
> On 11/14/2007 07:48 AM, Dave Barton wrote:
>> Duh! Yes! And IF this fictitious "So Called - ONE CLICK" technology
>> worked reliably, I would not be here asking for the application
>> association for a ".ymp" file type.
> Install yast2-metapackage-handler.
Already installed:

yast2-metapackage-handler version 0.7.1-9
install time Mon 08 Oct 2007 02:38:47 PM EST
distribution openSUSE 10.3 (i586)
vendor SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Nuernberg, Germany
packager http://bugs.opensuse.org
build-time Wed 26 Sep 2007 07:12:49 AM EST

Thanks Dave

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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse 10.3: No 3D support, Nvidia drivers not correctly loaded

[Joe Morris (NTM)]

On 11/14/2007 07:48 AM, Dave Barton wrote:
> Duh! Yes! And IF this fictitious "So Called - ONE CLICK" technology
> worked reliably, I would not be here asking for the application
> association for a ".ymp" file type.
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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse 10.3: No 3D support, Nvidia drivers not correctly loaded

[Dave Barton]

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To: opensuse@opensuse.org
Date: Wed 14 Nov 2007 07:52:30 EST

> Dave Barton wrote:
>>  Original Message 
>> From: Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Wed 14 Nov 2007 02:17:52 EST
>>
>>> Hans,
>>> On Tuesday 13 November 2007 07:03, Hans Lombard wrote:
>>>> I have been unable to identify and load the correct Nvidia drivers -
>>>> hence no 3D support.
>>> Go to <http://en.opensuse.org/NVIDIA> and look for "The easy way."
>>> It really is. (Easy.)
>> It might be easy, but what do I do with the ".ymp" file?
>>
>> Dave
>>
> 
> That's where the "one click" comes in, just click on the link.
> 
> Ken

Duh! Yes! And IF this fictitious "So Called - ONE CLICK" technology
worked reliably, I would not be here asking for the application
association for a ".ymp" file type.

TIA

Dave
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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse 10.3: No 3D support, Nvidia drivers not correctly loaded

[Ken Schneider]

Dave Barton wrote:
>  Original Message 
> From: Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed 14 Nov 2007 02:17:52 EST
> 
>> Hans,
> 
>> On Tuesday 13 November 2007 07:03, Hans Lombard wrote:
>>> I have been unable to identify and load the correct Nvidia drivers -
>>> hence no 3D support.
>> Go to  and look for "The easy way."
> 
>> It really is. (Easy.)
> 
> It might be easy, but what do I do with the ".ymp" file?
> 
> Dave
> 

That's where the "one click" comes in, just click on the link.

Ken
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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse 10.3: No 3D support, Nvidia drivers not correctly loaded

[Dave Barton]

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> Hans,
> 
> On Tuesday 13 November 2007 07:03, Hans Lombard wrote:
>> I have been unable to identify and load the correct Nvidia drivers -
>> hence no 3D support.
> 
> Go to  and look for "The easy way."
> 
> It really is. (Easy.)

It might be easy, but what do I do with the ".ymp" file?

Dave

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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse 10.3: No 3D support, Nvidia drivers not correctly loaded

[Randall R Schulz]

Hans,

On Tuesday 13 November 2007 07:03, Hans Lombard wrote:
> I have been unable to identify and load the correct Nvidia drivers -
> hence no 3D support.

Go to  and look for "The easy way."

It really is. (Easy.)


> ...
>
> Hans Lombard
> Pretoria South Africa


Randall Schulz
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Re: [opensuse] openSuSe 10.3 + compiz-fusion: systray icons opens as small windows

[Magnar Strand Olsen]

2007/11/9, Pablo Bueti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I've a fresh install of openSuSe 10.3 with all the updates to date
> applied, kde and compiz-fusion over Xorg and nVidia XFX 8400 GS 512.
> When system starts some systray icons aren't show in the taskbar, they
> open as small windows with a 'x' to close it. Happens mainly with KMixer
> and openSuSe updater, but other applets are affected too sometimes. Note
> that is a "random" behaviour, sometimes all icons are ok, and sometimes
> not as described.
>
> Someone knows how to fix it?
>

Try to add a "sleep 5s" (or 10s) in your kde startup script (located
in ~/.kde/Autostart/) or make a small startup script and put it in
that folder.
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Re: [opensuse] openSuSe 10.3 + compiz-fusion: systray icons opens as small windows

[David C. Rankin]

Pablo Bueti wrote:
> I've a fresh install of openSuSe 10.3 with all the updates to date
> applied, kde and compiz-fusion over Xorg and nVidia XFX 8400 GS 512.
> When system starts some systray icons aren't show in the taskbar, they
> open as small windows with a 'x' to close it. Happens mainly with KMixer
> and openSuSe updater, but other applets are affected too sometimes. Note
> that is a "random" behaviour, sometimes all icons are ok, and sometimes
> not as described.
> 
> Someone knows how to fix it?
> 
> Thanks, Pablo.

The little guys jumped ship did they?

To make all the little guys jump back into the boat, (1) use
fusion-icon. (2) start kde with kwin, (3) wait 5 seconds, (4) then use
fusion-icon to select compiz as the WN. [yes this is a little bit of a
pain, but it is worth it]

alternatively:

Edit your Autostart script to sleep for 5 seconds before starting
compiz. This seems to accomplish the same thing.

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Re: [opensuse] openSuSe 10.3 + compiz-fusion: systray icons opens as small windows

[Pablo Bueti]

Todd Ness escribió:
>
> I had a similar problem, it was related to running X with dual monitors
> and multiple panels, each panel had a notification area or "systray"
> What I did to fix that was to remove all notification areas, then just
> add one on one of the panels, logged out and restarted. The icons have
> wound up there every time since doing this.
>
> Todd
>   
I've only one monitor and then only one desktop on X settings and 4
panels. On panel 1 I removed the notification area and it has been
removed from the other 3 panels too. Added it again and added in the
other 3 panels. Loged out and restarted and the problem continues...
Maybe it needs another solution, thanks anyway.
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Re: [opensuse] openSuSe 10.3 + compiz-fusion: systray icons opens as small windows

[Todd Ness]

On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 11:31 -0300, Pablo Bueti wrote:
> I've a fresh install of openSuSe 10.3 with all the updates to date
> applied, kde and compiz-fusion over Xorg and nVidia XFX 8400 GS 512.
> When system starts some systray icons aren't show in the taskbar, they
> open as small windows with a 'x' to close it. Happens mainly with KMixer
> and openSuSe updater, but other applets are affected too sometimes. Note
> that is a "random" behaviour, sometimes all icons are ok, and sometimes
> not as described.
> 
> Someone knows how to fix it?
> 
> Thanks, Pablo.
I had a similar problem, it was related to running X with dual monitors
and multiple panels, each panel had a notification area or "systray"
What I did to fix that was to remove all notification areas, then just
add one on one of the panels, logged out and restarted. The icons have
wound up there every time since doing this.

Todd
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