Re: data is skewed - what does it mean ?

2003-07-25 Thread orababy
Gogala,

If cardinality is high, then data is evenly distributed.

If cardinality is low, then data is not evenly distributed and 
hence skewed.

Is my understanding correct...atleast to some extent ?!




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Re: Antw: Re: data is skewed - what does it mean ?

2003-07-25 Thread Guido Konsolke
Come on, don't try to persuade me of
you being old. I'm 42 like you and still
feel the blood running through my veins.
At least, sometimes ;-)

I can remember the (not so) good old times
when everyone thought we 'computer wizards'
came from outer space. Nowadays almost every 
school kid has a better equipment at home than me
at work. And damagement still wants us to do miracles
every single day :(

Although it's early morning in Germany:
Nice weekend to all list members.

Greetings,
Guido


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 25.07.2003  08.14 Uhr 
Well, there have been situations when CBO made me use obscene language
by stubbornly refusing to use and index which was utilized when RBO
was used. I believe that the vast majority of old and balding DBA geezers
like me can make the same claims. Thus the name.


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Re: data is skewed - what does it mean ?

2003-07-25 Thread Mark Richard

It's not this simple...

Let's take your low cardinality example...  Gender is a good example since
there are only two (common) genders - male and female.

A table with 10,000 staff would make the gender column low cardinaility -
only 2 distinct values.  If you had 5,000 males and 5,000 females then the
data would be evenly distributed and therefore not skewed.  If, however,
you had 9,500 females and 500 males then you have skewed data.

Hopefully this gives some idea of the difference between cardinality and
skewed data.



   
   
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Gogala,

If cardinality is high, then data is evenly distributed.

If cardinality is low, then data is not evenly distributed and
hence skewed.

Is my understanding correct...atleast to some extent ?!




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Re: Is there any data dictionary to check out the creation statements

2003-07-25 Thread zhu chao
SQL select query from user_mviews where mview_name='MV_END_ART';

QUERY


SELECT * FROM ARTICLESCATALOG
WHERE END_DATE_DTM  SYSDATE
AND END_DATE_DTM SYS

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  Is there any data dictionary in Oracle to check out creation statements
of
 materialized view? Something like the user_source view about object
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 got one.

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Re: Oracle 9i (9.2.0.4)- RH AS 2.1 HP Itanium

2003-07-25 Thread zhu chao
Anyone know when will patchset 9.2.0.4 be out?

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Re: data is skewed - what does it mean ?

2003-07-25 Thread orababy
Oh...

Thank U Mark.

got it now.

...now i can explain it to someone who doesn't know.

Cheers.

 Mark Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 It's not this simple...
 Let's take your low cardinality example...  Gender is a good 
example since
 there are only two (common) genders - male and female.
 A table with 10,000 staff would make the gender column low 
cardinaility -
 only 2 distinct values.  If you had 5,000 males and 5,000 
females then the
 data would be evenly distributed and therefore not skewed.  If, 
however,
 you had 9,500 females and 500 males then you have skewed data.
 Hopefully this gives some idea of the difference between 
cardinality and
 skewed data.
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Re: index not being used

2003-07-25 Thread Tanel Poder
Hi!

 This plan shows that ICWOIMP is accessed FULL .
 Actually this table
 has a Primary Key on WOKEY  this is used in JOIN
 condition . WHy is
 it not using that index

But you also have two joins between ICWOIMP (A) and AFAS_RCPT_DTLS (D)
tables in your query: CBO finds that it's better to hash join those two, and
it's better to use multiblock reads from table to get the data for join
either because of cost or because you do not have indexes / other predicates
on those columns.

And since you already have read whole ICWOIMP table due CBO decided join
order, there's no point of reading any more data from it, thus no index is
required and the hint is ignored. Instead the hash joined result set is
taken and is joined to rest of tables using nested loops.

You have to hint join orders if you definitely want to get join using WOKEY
happen first.

Tanel.


 I tried to force this index

 SELECT /*+ INDEX (ICWOIMP PK_ICWOIMP) */
 A.CANNO   INVOICE NO,
 A.CANDATE  INVOICE DATE,
 --B.NAME   CUSTOMER NAME,
 A.CANAMT  REVENUE AMOUNT,
 C.RCPTDOCNO  RECEIPT NO.,
 D.RECEIPTAMOUNTRECEIPT AMOUNT,
 C.RCPTDATE   RECEIPT DATE
 FROM
 ICWOIMP A,
 ICADDDRESSDTLS   B,
 AFAS_RCPT_HDR   C,
 AFAS_RCPT_DTLS   D
 WHERE
 A.WOKEY = B.WOKEY
 AND D.RECEIPTHDRID = C.RECEIPTHDRID
 AND ADDTYPE ='SHPR'
 --AFAS_RCPT_DTLS.RECEIPTHDRID =
 AFAS_RCPT_HDR.RECEIPTHDRID
 AND D.DOCLINKREFNUM = A.CANNO
 AND D.DOCLINKNUM = A.WONO

 But still with this , execution plan remained the
 same.
 AM I missing something ? Can Oracle ignore the hint
 although provided
 ?

 P.S. Statistics are Up-To-Date for all tables.

 can anybody tell me why my hinet is being ignored

 
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Re: Index Usage ?!

2003-07-25 Thread Tanel Poder
Hi!

 but there are seperate indexes on column PREF, FLAG and SEX.
 when those indexes are used ,cost=999.

 whereas when IDX_PROFILE_SHINKI ( a composite index on ENTPC,
 FLAG,SEX,PREF,ENTDAY) is used , cost=7.

 1.whys there is a huge difference in COST ?

As Wolfgang said, since your IDX_PROFILE_SHINKI index is unanalyzed, CBO is
using default values, which look quite sexy costwise. Are your other indexes
analyzed?

 2.does it mean that a composite index is better than individual ones ?

Always depends. But I use them a lot. Optimizerwise - they might be bigger
in sense of bytes  blocks, but again if they contain all columns required
in qurey, that no table access is required, they can speed up lookups 
short range scans significantly.

Tanel.


 Kindly throw some light on this.

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Re: index not being used

2003-07-25 Thread hrishy
Hi Sami

Thanks a lot it worked ..:-)

my oversight i missed comma :-)

regards
Hrishy

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 Just try with /*+INDEX (ICWOIMP,PK_ICWOIMP) */
^^ ^^
   No space   Comma
 
 I am not sure.
 
 hrishy writes:
 
  Hi
  
  
  
  Oracle 8.1.7.0.0 on HP-UX 11.0
  
  We have following query .
  /
  SELECT 
  A.CANNO   INVOICE NO,
  A.CANDATE  INVOICE DATE,
  --B.NAME   CUSTOMER NAME,
  A.CANAMT  REVENUE AMOUNT,
  C.RCPTDOCNO  RECEIPT NO.,
  D.RECEIPTAMOUNTRECEIPT AMOUNT,
  C.RCPTDATE   RECEIPT DATE
  FROM
  ICWOIMP A,
  ICADDDRESSDTLS   B,
  AFAS_RCPT_HDR   C,
  AFAS_RCPT_DTLS   D
  WHERE
  A.WOKEY = B.WOKEY
  AND D.RECEIPTHDRID = C.RECEIPTHDRID
  AND ADDTYPE ='SHPR'
  --AFAS_RCPT_DTLS.RECEIPTHDRID =
  AFAS_RCPT_HDR.RECEIPTHDRID
  AND D.DOCLINKREFNUM = A.CANNO
  AND D.DOCLINKNUM = A.WONO
  /
  
  Execution Plan :
 

-
   SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer=CHOOSE (Cost=1178
  Card=1 Bytes=12
   1)
  
 0   NESTED LOOPS (Cost=1178 Card=1 Bytes=121)
 1 NESTED LOOPS (Cost=1175 Card=1 Bytes=109)
 2   HASH JOIN (Cost=1174 Card=1 Bytes=81)
 3 TABLE ACCESS (FULL) OF
 'AFAS_RCPT_DTLS'
  (Cost=70 Car
   d=11603 Bytes=440914)
  
 3 TABLE ACCESS (FULL) OF 'ICWOIMP'
  (Cost=830 Card=3733
   9 Bytes=1605577)
  
 2   TABLE ACCESS (BY INDEX ROWID) OF
  'AFAS_RCPT_HDR' (Cost
   =1 Card=8343 Bytes=233604)
  
 6 INDEX (UNIQUE SCAN) OF
 'PK_AFAS_RCPT_HDR'
  (UNIQUE)
 1 TABLE ACCESS (BY INDEX ROWID) OF
  'ICADDDRESSDTLS' (Cost=
   3 Card=12018 Bytes=144216)
  
 8   INDEX (RANGE SCAN) OF
  'INDX_ICADDRESSDTLS_WOKEY' (NON-
   UNIQUE) (Cost=2 Card=12018)
  
  This plan shows that ICWOIMP is accessed FULL .
  Actually this table
  has a Primary Key on WOKEY  this is used in JOIN
  condition . WHy is
  it not using that index
  
  I tried to force this index 
  
  SELECT /*+ INDEX (ICWOIMP PK_ICWOIMP) */
  A.CANNO   INVOICE NO,
  A.CANDATE  INVOICE DATE,
  --B.NAME   CUSTOMER NAME,
  A.CANAMT  REVENUE AMOUNT,
  C.RCPTDOCNO  RECEIPT NO.,
  D.RECEIPTAMOUNTRECEIPT AMOUNT,
  C.RCPTDATE   RECEIPT DATE
  FROM
  ICWOIMP A,
  ICADDDRESSDTLS   B,
  AFAS_RCPT_HDR   C,
  AFAS_RCPT_DTLS   D
  WHERE
  A.WOKEY = B.WOKEY
  AND D.RECEIPTHDRID = C.RECEIPTHDRID
  AND ADDTYPE ='SHPR'
  --AFAS_RCPT_DTLS.RECEIPTHDRID =
  AFAS_RCPT_HDR.RECEIPTHDRID
  AND D.DOCLINKREFNUM = A.CANNO
  AND D.DOCLINKNUM = A.WONO
  
  But still with this , execution plan remained the
  same.
  AM I missing something ? Can Oracle ignore the
 hint
  although provided
  ?
  
  P.S. Statistics are Up-To-Date for all tables.
  
  can anybody tell me why my hinet is being ignored
  
 


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RE: Extproc setup Q?

2003-07-25 Thread Jack van Zanen
Hi,


Thought I had followed that but obviously not exact enough. Now it works.
Thanx


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Jack,
This is a post from a few weeks ago that gives a setup
TNSNAMES:
 
extproc_connection_data.world =
(DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS =
  (PROTOCOL = IPC)
   (KEY = extproc_agent)  --- Key1
)
  (CONNECT_DATA = (SID = 11)  --- Key2
  (server=dedicated))
)
 
Listener:
 
EXTPROC_LISTENER =
  (ADDRESS_LIST =
(ADDRESS =
  (PROTOCOL = IPC)
  (KEY = extproc_agent)  Key1
)
  )
SID_LIST_EXTPROC_LISTENER =
  (SID_LIST =
(SID_DESC =
   (SID_NAME = 11)   Key2
   (ORACLE_HOME = /ora1/81764)
   (PROGRAM = extproc)
)
  )
 
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 http://www.quantsystems.nl/ 

Tried that still the same error message.


Any other hints  tips for me to try? 
 
Just curious though ,why is it DLLS if I'm working on LINUX
 
 
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Please add the line in red to your listener.ora file. Extproc has been made
secure in Oracle 9i. The following line has to be added to execute your own
external procedures.

LISTENER = 
  (DESCRIPTION = 
(ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = Linux)(PORT = 1521)) 
(ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = IPC)(KEY = extproc_agent)) 
  ) 

SID_LIST_LISTENER = 
  (SID_LIST = 
(SID_DESC = 
  (SID_NAME = plsextproc) 
  (ORACLE_HOME = /oracle/app/product/9.2.0) 
  (PROGRAM = extproc) 

(ENVS=EXTPROC_DLLS=ANY)
) 
(SID_DESC = 
  (GLOBAL_DBNAME = Ora92) 
  (ORACLE_HOME = /oracle/app/product/9.2.0) 
  (SID_NAME = ora92) 
) 
  ) 


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Hi All, 

I am trying to setup EXTPROC but keep getting ORA-28575 (Check your
tnsnames.ora  listener.ora) 

Attached are my files that look OK to me 

Anybody?? 


 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] admin]$ cat tnsnames.ora 
# TNSNAMES.ORA Network Configuration File:
/oracle/app/product/9.2.0/network/admin/tnsnames.ora 

ORA92 = 
  (DESCRIPTION = 
(ADDRESS_LIST = 
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = Linux)(PORT = 1521)) 
) 
(CONNECT_DATA = 
  (SERVICE_NAME = Ora92) 
) 
  ) 
extproc_connection_data = 
  (DESCRIPTION = 
(ADDRESS_LIST = 
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = IPC)(KEY = extproc_agent)) 
  (CONNECT_DATA = (SID = plsextproc)) 
) 
) 


[EMAIL PROTECTED] admin]$ cat listener.ora 
# LISTENER.ORA Network Configuration File:
/oracle/app/product/9.2.0/network/admin/listener.ora 


LISTENER = 
  (DESCRIPTION = 
(ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = Linux)(PORT = 1521)) 
(ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = IPC)(KEY = extproc_agent)) 
  ) 

SID_LIST_LISTENER = 
  (SID_LIST = 
(SID_DESC = 
  (SID_NAME = plsextproc) 
  (ORACLE_HOME = /oracle/app/product/9.2.0) 
  (PROGRAM = extproc) 
) 
(SID_DESC = 
  (GLOBAL_DBNAME = Ora92) 
  (ORACLE_HOME = /oracle/app/product/9.2.0) 
  (SID_NAME = ora92) 
) 
  ) 

 

TIA 



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Re: index not being used

2003-07-25 Thread hrishy
Hi Taner

So do you suggest that i create a index on CANNO or
WONO feilds and experiment.


D.DOCLINKREFNUM = A.CANNO
or
D.DOCLINKNUM = A.WONO

regards
Hrishy


 --- Tanel Poder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Hi!
 
  This plan shows that ICWOIMP is accessed FULL .
  Actually this table
  has a Primary Key on WOKEY  this is used in JOIN
  condition . WHy is
  it not using that index
 
 But you also have two joins between ICWOIMP (A) and
 AFAS_RCPT_DTLS (D)
 tables in your query: CBO finds that it's better to
 hash join those two, and
 it's better to use multiblock reads from table to
 get the data for join
 either because of cost or because you do not have
 indexes / other predicates
 on those columns.
 
 And since you already have read whole ICWOIMP table
 due CBO decided join
 order, there's no point of reading any more data
 from it, thus no index is
 required and the hint is ignored. Instead the hash
 joined result set is
 taken and is joined to rest of tables using nested
 loops.
 
 You have to hint join orders if you definitely want
 to get join using WOKEY
 happen first.
 
 Tanel.
 
 
  I tried to force this index
 
  SELECT /*+ INDEX (ICWOIMP PK_ICWOIMP) */
  A.CANNO   INVOICE NO,
  A.CANDATE  INVOICE DATE,
  --B.NAME   CUSTOMER NAME,
  A.CANAMT  REVENUE AMOUNT,
  C.RCPTDOCNO  RECEIPT NO.,
  D.RECEIPTAMOUNTRECEIPT AMOUNT,
  C.RCPTDATE   RECEIPT DATE
  FROM
  ICWOIMP A,
  ICADDDRESSDTLS   B,
  AFAS_RCPT_HDR   C,
  AFAS_RCPT_DTLS   D
  WHERE
  A.WOKEY = B.WOKEY
  AND D.RECEIPTHDRID = C.RECEIPTHDRID
  AND ADDTYPE ='SHPR'
  --AFAS_RCPT_DTLS.RECEIPTHDRID =
  AFAS_RCPT_HDR.RECEIPTHDRID
  AND D.DOCLINKREFNUM = A.CANNO
  AND D.DOCLINKNUM = A.WONO
 
  But still with this , execution plan remained the
  same.
  AM I missing something ? Can Oracle ignore the
 hint
  although provided
  ?
 
  P.S. Statistics are Up-To-Date for all tables.
 
  can anybody tell me why my hinet is being ignored
 
 


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Re:Index Usage ?!

2003-07-25 Thread Prem Khanna J
Irfan, 

as u said,yes the data in SEX,FLAG,PREF columns are skewed.

do i need to create histograms for the COLUMNS or INDEXES ?

The COST of using IDX_PROFILE_SHINKI (composite index - not analyzed ) is 7 
The COST of using individual indexes (on SEX,FLAG,PREF - analyzed ) is 999 now.

will using histograms reduce the COST inspite of using individual indexes ?

Regards,
Jp.

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In this case i will give u only one statement, Ur data is very highly
skewed, Play with histograms.

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Re: Union quries: INTERSECT, MINUS, etc

2003-07-25 Thread Rachel Carmichael
not very slick but I used MINUS yesterday to find parents with no
children so as to purge them 

we do this a lot in this 3rd party app. RI is sketchy at best and the
app blows up if childless parents exists


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Re: Executing stored procedure from diff user

2003-07-25 Thread Pete Finnigan
Hi Saminathan,

Add the line:

authid current_user

here:

procedure show_space
( p_segname in varchar2,
  p_owner   in varchar2 default user,
  p_typein varchar2 default 'TABLE',
  p_partition in varchar2 default NULL )
authid current_user
as
l_free_blks number;

and recreate the procedure as system and then it should run as your
other user. for example:

SQL connect system/manager
Connected.
SQL -- add the line authid current_user to show_space.sql
SQL @show_space

Procedure created.

SQL grant execute on show_space to public;

Grant succeeded.

SQL create public synonym show_space for show_space;

Synonym created.

SQL connect pete/pete
Connected.
SQL create cluster phash (hash_key number) hashkeys 1000 size 8192;

Cluster created.

SQL set serveroutput on size 100
SQL exec show_space('PHASH',user,'CLUSTER');
Free Blocks.0
Total Blocks1456
Total Bytes.11927552
Unused Blocks...446
Unused Bytes3653632
Last Used Ext FileId1
Last Used Ext BlockId...35049
Last Used Block.34

PL/SQL procedure successfully completed.

SQL

hope this helps

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Re: index not being used

2003-07-25 Thread Prem Khanna J
Sami  Hrishy,

do u need a , there ?
i have not used it  things worked.

i don't find in the docs too.

so it wroks with a , too.
..tough time ahead ?!

Regards,
Jp.


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Hi Sami
Thanks a lot it worked ..:-)
my oversight i missed comma :-)
regards
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Re: index not being used

2003-07-25 Thread Sami

Jp,

Oracle Docs
http://download-west.oracle.com/docs/cd/B10501_01/server.920/a96533/hintsref.htm#4855

somewhere it has need specified with comma and some places it is
not.

Prem Khanna J writes:

 Sami  Hrishy,
 
 do u need a , there ?
 i have not used it  things worked.
 
 i don't find in the docs too.
 
 so it wroks with a , too.
 ...tough time ahead ?!
 
 Regards,
 Jp.
 
 
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Hi Sami
Thanks a lot it worked ..:-)
my oversight i missed comma :-)
regards
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Re: Index Usage ?!

2003-07-25 Thread Prem Khanna J
Tanel,

quoteAre your other indexes analyzed?/quote
Yes.

Case 1:
If IDX_PROFILE_SHINKI is analyzed,CBO decides that index scan is costlier.

Case 2:
Now IDX_PROFILE_SHINKI is not analyzed (which works fine as of now),
CBO takes default values and decides that index scan is cheaper.

As per case 1,the I/O to read the index will be costlier.
So CBO decides not to use the index.

But as per case 2 (existing situation):
After the decision is made by CBO, 
it still needs to read the index and then fetch table data.
So the same I/O to read the index is going to happen as in case 1.
* correct me if i'm wrong *

Aren't they contradictory ?! 

So how does case 2 benefit in terms of CPU or memory consumption ?
and there is a big diff. in response time between both cases...how ?

...totally confused :(

Regards,
Jp.

25-07-2003 18:34:23, Tanel Poder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi!
 but there are seperate indexes on column PREF, FLAG and SEX.
 when those indexes are used ,cost=999.
 whereas when IDX_PROFILE_SHINKI ( a composite index on ENTPC,
 FLAG,SEX,PREF,ENTDAY) is used , cost=7.

 1.whys there is a huge difference in COST ?

As Wolfgang said, since your IDX_PROFILE_SHINKI index is unanalyzed, CBO is
using default values, which look quite sexy costwise. Are your other indexes
analyzed?

 2.does it mean that a composite index is better than individual ones ?

Always depends. But I use them a lot. Optimizerwise - they might be bigger
in sense of bytes  blocks, but again if they contain all columns required
in qurey, that no table access is required, they can speed up lookups 
short range scans significantly.
Tanel.



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Oracle 9i refuses to allow client connection -- I need some help.

2003-07-25 Thread Wolfe Stephen S GS-11 6 MDSS/SGSI
Title: Message



I'm an Oracle 
administrator-To-Be, I'm awaiting funding for the basic Oracle DBA courses, 
the
training has been 
approved, just hasn't been funded. 

Anyway, the only things 
I do are add, modify, and reset application users' password via EM and 
run
patching scripts via 
SQL-Plus. The application I have running on this particular 9i server is 
TPOCS,
Third Party Outpatient 
Collection System -- a billing system for the DoD's Military Health System 
(MHS).
Oracle 9i is running on 
a Windows 2000 server.

Anyway, the TPOCS client 
is a PowerBuilder client and connects via SQL-Net -- I'm still learning about 
that
mechanism. Here's 
my problem. Occasionally, Oracle refuses to let any client connect to it 
-- it does this about
every 7 to 8 days. 
It use to do it every 2 days, but the Tier 3 TPOCS helpdesk recommended we 
increase the 
ram on the server from 
512MB to 1GB. Then the problem started occurring every 7 to 8 days. 
To make the problem
go away I reboot the 
server -- it only takes 10 minutes, however, I feel this a very poor 
work-around.

Which logs could I look 
in that would give you guys more information (like an error code) on why Oracle 
refuses
client connections and 
then how would we make this problem go away. it is becoming a 
PITA.




v/r 
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Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] (813) 827-9974 DSN 651-9974 



Re: index not being used

2003-07-25 Thread Prem Khanna J
Thanx Sami for letting me know it.

Regards,
Jp.

25-07-2003 20:34:24, Sami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jp,

Oracle Docs
http://download-west.oracle.com/docs/cd/B10501_01/server.920/a96533/hintsref.htm#4855

somewhere it has need specified with comma and some places it is
not.



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RE: Oracle 9i refuses to allow client connection -- I need some h

2003-07-25 Thread Jack van Zanen
Title: Message



What 
is the error message (if any)
Can 
you connect thru SQL*Plus (/ as sysdba)



  
  -Original Message-From: Wolfe Stephen S 
  GS-11 6 MDSS/SGSI [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 
  Friday, July 25, 2003 1:35 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: Oracle 9i refuses to allow client connection -- I 
  need some help.
  I'm an Oracle 
  administrator-To-Be, I'm awaiting funding for the basic Oracle DBA courses, 
  the
  training has been 
  approved, just hasn't been funded. 
  
  Anyway, the only 
  things I do are add, modify, and reset application users' password via EM and 
  run
  patching scripts via 
  SQL-Plus. The application I have running on this particular 9i server is 
  TPOCS,
  Third Party Outpatient 
  Collection System -- a billing system for the DoD's Military Health System 
  (MHS).
  Oracle 9i is running 
  on a Windows 2000 server.
  
  Anyway, the TPOCS 
  client is a PowerBuilder client and connects via SQL-Net -- I'm still learning 
  about that
  mechanism. 
  Here's my problem. Occasionally, Oracle refuses to let any client 
  connect to it -- it does this about
  every 7 to 8 
  days. It use to do it every 2 days, but the Tier 3 TPOCS helpdesk 
  recommended we increase the 
  ram on the server from 
  512MB to 1GB. Then the problem started occurring every 7 to 8 
  days. To make the problem
  go away I reboot the 
  server -- it only takes 10 minutes, however, I feel this a very poor 
  work-around.
  
  Which logs could I 
  look in that would give you guys more information (like an error code) on why 
  Oracle refuses
  client connections and 
  then how would we make this problem go away. it is becoming a 
  PITA.
  
  
  
  
  v/r 
  Stephen S. Wolfe, GS-11, 
  DAFC Data Services 
  Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] (813) 827-9974 DSN 651-9974 



Re: Index Usage ?!

2003-07-25 Thread Prem Khanna J
Thanx a lot Irfan.
let me also go thro' metalink and try out something.

Regards,
Jp.

25-07-2003 18:46:51, Irfan Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From what i understand when u analyze , use the keyword of size to set the
histogram buckets
Generally it should be no of distinct values in a column + som ball park no.
say ten.
U can play around with this analyzing with histograms.
I tried and it worked for me and so it should for you as well.
I will do more research and will get back to you.
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Re: Index Usage ?!

2003-07-25 Thread Tanel Poder
Hi!

Your original post shows that when index was not analyzed, optimizer used
default statistics and found out that index scan is quite cheap. Also, no
sorting had to be done, since descending index range scan could be used to
satisfy your order by clause.

Whe index was analyzed, then CBO actually saw, that index isn't that good as
defaul values showed, the number of leaf blocks was higher and also the
clustering factor was probably much-mugh higher, meaning that for any
non-unique index key value it has to visit several different data blocks to
get all matching rows. That means lot's of IOs. Eventually CBO decided that
it's cheaper to do let say 1600 multiblock (plus one segment header +
possibly bitmap) reads directly and scan through the whole table than to
traverse through index branches, scan leaf blocks and visit every data block
individually.

So, with not-analyzed index, CBO had nothing else to do, than to be
super-optimistic about the index (#LB, CLUF) thus using index in your case.
But when analyzed, CBO had accurate data, but did make bad decision because
too pessimistic values for optimizer_index_cost_adj and
optimizer_index_caching. You should set them at session level for testing to
let say 50 and 90, but read the document below for understanding those
parameters.

http://www.evdbt.com/SearchIntelligenceCBO.doc

Cheers,
Tanel.

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 Tanel,

 quoteAre your other indexes analyzed?/quote
 Yes.

 Case 1:
 If IDX_PROFILE_SHINKI is analyzed,CBO decides that index scan is costlier.

 Case 2:
 Now IDX_PROFILE_SHINKI is not analyzed (which works fine as of now),
 CBO takes default values and decides that index scan is cheaper.

 As per case 1,the I/O to read the index will be costlier.
 So CBO decides not to use the index.

 But as per case 2 (existing situation):
 After the decision is made by CBO,
 it still needs to read the index and then fetch table data.
 So the same I/O to read the index is going to happen as in case 1.
 * correct me if i'm wrong *

 Aren't they contradictory ?!

 So how does case 2 benefit in terms of CPU or memory consumption ?
 and there is a big diff. in response time between both cases...how ?

 ...totally confused :(

 Regards,
 Jp.

 25-07-2003 18:34:23, Tanel Poder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi!
  but there are seperate indexes on column PREF, FLAG and SEX.
  when those indexes are used ,cost=999.
  whereas when IDX_PROFILE_SHINKI ( a composite index on ENTPC,
  FLAG,SEX,PREF,ENTDAY) is used , cost=7.
 
  1.whys there is a huge difference in COST ?
 
 As Wolfgang said, since your IDX_PROFILE_SHINKI index is unanalyzed, CBO
is
 using default values, which look quite sexy costwise. Are your other
indexes
 analyzed?
 
  2.does it mean that a composite index is better than individual ones ?
 
 Always depends. But I use them a lot. Optimizerwise - they might be
bigger
 in sense of bytes  blocks, but again if they contain all columns
required
 in qurey, that no table access is required, they can speed up lookups 
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Re: index not being used

2003-07-25 Thread Tanel Poder
Hi!

Let's start with that: where is your problem?

Do you have a performance problem with current execution plan or do you just
want to see indexes used?
Execution plans might change if you add those indexes, just try and see. It
could happen that hash join of A and D tables are replaced with nested
loops, with D being driving table...

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 Hi Taner

 So do you suggest that i create a index on CANNO or
 WONO feilds and experiment.


 D.DOCLINKREFNUM = A.CANNO
 or
 D.DOCLINKNUM = A.WONO

 regards
 Hrishy


  --- Tanel Poder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Hi!
 
   This plan shows that ICWOIMP is accessed FULL .
   Actually this table
   has a Primary Key on WOKEY  this is used in JOIN
   condition . WHy is
   it not using that index
 
  But you also have two joins between ICWOIMP (A) and
  AFAS_RCPT_DTLS (D)
  tables in your query: CBO finds that it's better to
  hash join those two, and
  it's better to use multiblock reads from table to
  get the data for join
  either because of cost or because you do not have
  indexes / other predicates
  on those columns.
 
  And since you already have read whole ICWOIMP table
  due CBO decided join
  order, there's no point of reading any more data
  from it, thus no index is
  required and the hint is ignored. Instead the hash
  joined result set is
  taken and is joined to rest of tables using nested
  loops.
 
  You have to hint join orders if you definitely want
  to get join using WOKEY
  happen first.
 
  Tanel.
 
  
   I tried to force this index
  
   SELECT /*+ INDEX (ICWOIMP PK_ICWOIMP) */
   A.CANNO   INVOICE NO,
   A.CANDATE  INVOICE DATE,
   --B.NAME   CUSTOMER NAME,
   A.CANAMT  REVENUE AMOUNT,
   C.RCPTDOCNO  RECEIPT NO.,
   D.RECEIPTAMOUNTRECEIPT AMOUNT,
   C.RCPTDATE   RECEIPT DATE
   FROM
   ICWOIMP A,
   ICADDDRESSDTLS   B,
   AFAS_RCPT_HDR   C,
   AFAS_RCPT_DTLS   D
   WHERE
   A.WOKEY = B.WOKEY
   AND D.RECEIPTHDRID = C.RECEIPTHDRID
   AND ADDTYPE ='SHPR'
   --AFAS_RCPT_DTLS.RECEIPTHDRID =
   AFAS_RCPT_HDR.RECEIPTHDRID
   AND D.DOCLINKREFNUM = A.CANNO
   AND D.DOCLINKNUM = A.WONO
  
   But still with this , execution plan remained the
   same.
   AM I missing something ? Can Oracle ignore the
  hint
   although provided
   ?
  
   P.S. Statistics are Up-To-Date for all tables.
  
   can anybody tell me why my hinet is being ignored
  
  
 
 
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Re: Oracle 9i refuses to allow client connection -- I need some help.

2003-07-25 Thread Rachel Carmichael
there are a number of logs that could help:

first, does the application itself generate a log? If so, does that log
reflect the actual error returned? It might look something like
ORA-nn

Second, on the Windows Box itself, look for a file name
alertsid.log (I'm not that familiar with Oracle's configuration on
Windows as I run Unix but it should look something like that). Look to
see if there are any error messages in that file at the time the
connections are refused.

If increasing memory on the box itself helped, it's likely that what's
happening is that users are connecting to the box, never dropping or
closing the connections so that memory stays allocated. The box runs
out of memory, you reboot (closing the connections and releasing the
memory) and you are good for another week or so.

if that's what's happening -- you either have to get the users to LOG
OFF (yeah, right) or find a way of closing/killing the connections
after x amount of time (look into the online docs --
technet.oracle.com, specifically look at the network manuals).

and welcome! It's always nice to see a new face here, especially one
who is willing to LEARN

--- Wolfe Stephen S GS-11 6 MDSS/SGSI [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 I'm an Oracle administrator-To-Be, I'm awaiting funding for the basic
 Oracle DBA courses, the
 training has been approved, just hasn't been funded.  
  
 Anyway, the only things I do are add, modify, and reset application
 users' password via EM and run
 patching scripts via SQL-Plus.  The application I have running on
 this
 particular 9i server is TPOCS,
 Third Party Outpatient Collection System -- a billing system for the
 DoD's Military Health System (MHS).
 Oracle 9i is running on a Windows 2000 server.
  
 Anyway, the TPOCS client is a PowerBuilder client and connects via
 SQL-Net -- I'm still learning about that
 mechanism.  Here's my problem.  Occasionally, Oracle refuses to let
 any
 client connect to it -- it does this about
 every 7 to 8 days.  It use to do it every 2 days, but the Tier 3
 TPOCS
 helpdesk recommended we increase the 
 ram on the server from 512MB to 1GB.  Then the problem started
 occurring
 every 7 to 8 days.  To make the problem
 go away I reboot the server -- it only takes 10 minutes, however, I
 feel
 this a very poor work-around.
  
 Which logs could I look in that would give you guys more information
 (like an error code) on why Oracle refuses
 client connections and then how would we make this problem go away. 
 it
 is becoming a PITA.
  
  
  
  
 
 v/r 
 
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RE: Computing resource consumption

2003-07-25 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: Computing resource consumption





So, how do you compute exactly how much CPU was used by user session? 'CPU used' will give you the work done by the session, but how about the work done by background processes for or on behalf of this session? How does on capture that?

Raj

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There is also usual practice by some companies to charge by the CPU. Charge
the customer $100 per user per CPU or $10,000 per CPU for unlimited number
of users. That will bring the prices to the same level charged by some very 
successful software companies. You are bound to stay competitive.



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RE: Computing resource consumption

2003-07-25 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: Computing resource consumption





Thanks Cary,


thanks, but here is a question ... you say capturing physical IO is redundant ... what about REDO generated by session? Isn't that part of physical writes? If I just concentrate on LIO (I am currently using Logical IO' (statistic#9 in 9202).

Currently I am concentrating on following statistics to create a matrix


 9 -- session logical reads 
12 -- CPU used by this session 
20 -- session pga memory 
21 -- session pga memory max 
42 -- physical reads 
46 -- physical writes 
115 -- redo size 
236 -- bytes sent via SQL*Net to client 
237 -- bytes received via SQL*Net from client 


not sure if all of them will matter in the end, but at-least it is a start for me. 


Another problem is capturing the work done by background processes on behalf of these sessions ... how does one go about capturing that workload??

Thanks in advance
Raj
 
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Raj,


A pretty common (and actually pretty accurate) charge back unit is the LIO. You can get this information by using the standard AUDIT CONNECT feature, and using the LREAD value as your basis. If you wanted to get fancy, you might also charge by the parse call (which you're already collecting in your V$SESSTAT query). The reason I'd focus on these two metrics is because these are the two operations on an Oracle system that absolutely prevent the system from scaling.

You could count physical I/Os as well, but that would be redundant if you're already catching LIO call counts.


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Does anyone know any papers or techniques to compute resource consumption by users in a DB systems? This may or may not be for computing charge-back to the client, but my questions are 

1. What do you compute? 
2. are there any standard methods and or standard formula? 
I am collecting v$sesstat when a session exits, but is data alone from session stats sufficient? How about the work done by background processes on user's behalf? 

Do you do anything like this at your workplace? This is something that might be coming down the line, so I have been asked to start looking for related stuff.

Thanks in advance 
Raj 
 
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Re[2]: Union quries: INTERSECT, MINUS, etc

2003-07-25 Thread Jonathan Gennick
Friday, July 25, 2003, 6:39:35 AM, you wrote:
RC not very slick but I used MINUS yesterday to find parents with no
RC children so as to purge them 

Offhand, I'd think you could do this without using MINUS.
Maybe I'm wrong. But assuming there is a non-MINUS solution,
what led you to choose to use MINUS?

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Re[2]: Union quries: INTERSECT, MINUS, etc

2003-07-25 Thread Jonathan Gennick
Friday, July 25, 2003, 6:39:35 AM, Rachel wrote:
RC not very slick but I used MINUS yesterday to find parents with no
RC children so as to purge them

Rachel, you make me very glad I have two kids. Please don't
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Re: Re[2]: Union quries: INTERSECT, MINUS, etc

2003-07-25 Thread Rachel Carmichael
I'd purge myself first 'cause I don't have kids. 

Like the bad joke After I kill myself I'm turning the gun on you


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Re: Re[2]: Union quries: INTERSECT, MINUS, etc

2003-07-25 Thread rgaffuri
where will you publish this? Id like to read your results. 
 
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Re: Index Usage ?!

2003-07-25 Thread Tanel Poder
Hi!

 25-07-2003 18:46:51, Irfan Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From what i understand when u analyze , use the keyword of size to set
the
 histogram buckets
 Generally it should be no of distinct values in a column + som ball park
no.
 say ten.

Max nr. of buckets is 254 per column, thus in some conditions you can't have
a bucket for each value.
But more importantly, histograms aren't used with queries using bind values
since during next query the bind variable could be set to completely
different value and in order to compute a more appropriate execution plan we
would have to go through the most expensive parse phase again.

Also, when not using bind variables (which is a bad idea in OLTP because
additional parses), using histograms makes each individual parse (which
involves analyzing predicates on histogrammed columns) even slower.

OTOH, histograms are good for processing the data in large quantities, but
bad or even unusable in high concurrency OLTP environments. Of course maybe
10G already has some kind of pre-parsing enchancements where multiple
execution plans are calculated for each possible bind variable value range
(bucket). We'll see ;)

Tanel.

 U can play around with this analyzing with histograms.
 I tried and it worked for me and so it should for you as well.
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Re: Re[2]: Union quries: INTERSECT, MINUS, etc

2003-07-25 Thread Rachel Carmichael
okay, I answered this offlist but...

it started out as do we have a problem, indicated by records in the
parent table with no children

select id from parent
minus
select parentid from child

that identified that we had a problem.

next step (I'm a paranoid DBA when it comes to permanently deleting
data from production)

create holding_table 
as select * from parent
where id in 
(select id from parent
minus select parentid from child)

last step

delete from parent where id in select id from holding_table

elegant? no. Fast? yes. And when I'm doing this 10 minutes before I'm
supposed to leave for the day, fast is what I want :)


I'm a BIG believer in plain vanilla coding. Slick is fine, but if I
have to spend too much more time than the slick query saves me in
creating it, it's not worth it. This is a one-off.


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Integration with IBM Mqueue series

2003-07-25 Thread Rakesh Gupta
One of our clients requirement is to replicate data from oracle to IBM mqueue series. 
We are 100% oracle shop and we do not have any IBM DB experience.

Can anyone please shed some light on how this can be done  ? 

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Re: Oracle 9i refuses to allow client connection -- I need

2003-07-25 Thread Ron Rogers
Stephen,
  I also would like to extend a warm welcome to the world of Oracle. I
hope that you find it interesting and challenging and rewarding.
  I would suggest that you get a head start on your training so you
won't be overwhelmed when you attend, by acquiring some of the Oracle
101 books that are available on the market. They are a valuable
resource that I refer to constantly as I can't remember as much as I use
to. 
  I don't mean to slight any of the excellent authors that are on this
list by not listing their works here. I am sure that if you asked for
references you will be supplied with a list that will be quite complete
and up to date.
Again,
Welcome.
Ron  mª¿ªm

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/25/03 08:59AM 
there are a number of logs that could help:

first, does the application itself generate a log? If so, does that
log
reflect the actual error returned? It might look something like
ORA-nn

Second, on the Windows Box itself, look for a file name
alertsid.log (I'm not that familiar with Oracle's configuration on
Windows as I run Unix but it should look something like that). Look to
see if there are any error messages in that file at the time the
connections are refused.

If increasing memory on the box itself helped, it's likely that what's
happening is that users are connecting to the box, never dropping or
closing the connections so that memory stays allocated. The box runs
out of memory, you reboot (closing the connections and releasing the
memory) and you are good for another week or so.

if that's what's happening -- you either have to get the users to LOG
OFF (yeah, right) or find a way of closing/killing the connections
after x amount of time (look into the online docs --
technet.oracle.com, specifically look at the network manuals).

and welcome! It's always nice to see a new face here, especially one
who is willing to LEARN

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 Anyway, the only things I do are add, modify, and reset application
 users' password via EM and run
 patching scripts via SQL-Plus.  The application I have running on
 this
 particular 9i server is TPOCS,
 Third Party Outpatient Collection System -- a billing system for the
 DoD's Military Health System (MHS).
 Oracle 9i is running on a Windows 2000 server.
  
 Anyway, the TPOCS client is a PowerBuilder client and connects via
 SQL-Net -- I'm still learning about that
 mechanism.  Here's my problem.  Occasionally, Oracle refuses to let
 any
 client connect to it -- it does this about
 every 7 to 8 days.  It use to do it every 2 days, but the Tier 3
 TPOCS
 helpdesk recommended we increase the 
 ram on the server from 512MB to 1GB.  Then the problem started
 occurring
 every 7 to 8 days.  To make the problem
 go away I reboot the server -- it only takes 10 minutes, however, I
 feel
 this a very poor work-around.
  
 Which logs could I look in that would give you guys more information
 (like an error code) on why Oracle refuses
 client connections and then how would we make this problem go away. 
 it
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Re: Integration with IBM Mqueue series

2003-07-25 Thread Peter . McLarty
Try reading up about Oracle AQ, and particularly the JMS and translation 
related stuff with 9i AQ. IBM MQ series is a Messaging gateway for  EAI 
integration, It has a number of competitors such as See Beyond, Tibco and 
MS Biztalk. 
In simple terms these systems take in a message and through translation 
rules read the message header and route it to another system, so your 
Oracle Applications can talk to the SAP system or the  Peoplesoft system 
or our software via a single interface as the MQ server acts as the 
gateway.

All adaptors are generally C++ or Java but not exclusively and the 
messages are XML

Oracle has or did have a product called Interconnect built on AQ that was 
a competitor for MQ Series

HTH

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Re: Integration with IBM Mqueue series

2003-07-25 Thread Jeff Herrick

It's MQSeries  =8-)

It's a form of MOM (Message Oriented Middleware). The thing that it
most closely resembles in the Oracle world is Oracle Pipes...except
that the a queue can be persistent...i.e. survive a reboot. I'm not
familiar with Advanced Queue Option so maybe Oracle now has that feature
too.

Anyway...it makes no sense to 'replicate' to MQ since your
data would only be placed on  a message queue from the Oracle
end. What would be interesting is what is done with the data
after it is put on the queue. =8-)

MQ ships with an API that allows you to programatically place messages
and retrieve messages on to and from the queues. You would need to
make these libraries known to the extproc interface to be able
to do anything useful with them. More likely you would write some
sort of interface (C,C++,VB,java) between inserted/updated data that could
then reference these API's

Of course, what is written to the queue is highly dependant on
what is reading it from the other (Big BLue!) end...so you
could be writing data, XML or even SQL to be read and processed
from the other end.


HTH

Jeff Herrick

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Rakesh Gupta wrote:

 One of our clients requirement is to replicate data from oracle to IBM mqueue 
 series. We are 100% oracle shop and we do not have any IBM DB experience.

 Can anyone please shed some light on how this can be done  ?

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Opinions on Oracle InterConnect

2003-07-25 Thread Gene Sais



We have a new project kicking off and the vendor plans on implementing 
Oracle InterConnectfor Oracle Application Interfaces. Has anyone 
used this product? Are there other similar products out there? I 
have been told Oracle InterConnect is free. Will it work Asyncronously? 

Thanks for any insight on this product.
Gene



Object types remote DB's

2003-07-25 Thread Goulet, Dick
This I believe may end up as a No way from here, but here goes anyway.  I've a 
developer who has created a function that returns a table type.  We had to create the 
type and then a table of in this manner:

create type gatekeeper_info as object
(model_number varchar2(20),
 product_id integer,
 grade varchar2(1),
 test_description varchar2(70),
 gatekeeper_value varchar2(2),
 status varchar2(20));
/
create or replace type gatekeeper_info_tbl as table of gatekeeper_info;
/

The function returns gatekeeper_info_tbl  it works damned well if your logged onto 
that database.  The problem is that they now want to access this function  have it 
return data from a remote database.  Consequently we're getting the ORA-30626 error 
message.  Is there any way known to get around this?

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Re: Does the client hang or disconnect when the server's

2003-07-25 Thread Hemant K Chitale
Unfortunately, I am not running OPS or RAC.

This is a failover-cluster  -- if the primary node goes down, the 
database instance
is started on the secondary node.

I think Tanel is right that sqlnet.expire_time wouldn't apply.

However, Tanel, I didn't understand the paragraph
Also, sqlplus is different from normal telnet, because it tries to send a
request only when it is on it's prompt, thus issuing a command in sqlplus
session, when it is waiting for response from previous command, doesn't send
any network packets.
Would I be right in understand it to mean that when waiting for a response 
from
the database server, sqlplus doesn't send any network packets.  however, if
sqlplus is sitting idle and a user enters a command sqlplus attempts to 
send the
request and only then knows that the database or node is down ?
So, if my session were sending a fresh request, it would know that the server
was unavailable and would return an error [3113 ?] but if it were waiting 
for
a response [last issued an INSERT statement and is waiting for the ACK packet]
it would just sit there waiting ?

Hemant

At 10:04 AM 24-07-03 -0800, you wrote:




I agree sqlnet.expire_time does only effect the server, but normally when the
server kills the connection the client side will drop.  But in this case it
won't because there is no network for the client to get the dead connection
timeout from the server.  It sounds like Hemant is running OPS which AFAIK
(version 7.3) he is getting the expected behavior, to get the client to
seemlessly switch over to the other instance he needs RAC (again AFAIK).




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Hi!

This sqlnet.expire_time affects server, not sqlplus itself AFAIK. The issue
is likely, that sqlplus has sent a sqlnet request to server, but hasn't got
any response since you pulled the network cable. Thus it'll wait until TCP
connection gets timeout.
Also, sqlplus is different from normal telnet, because it tries to send a
request only when it is on it's prompt, thus issuing a command in sqlplus
session, when it is waiting for response from previous command, doesn't send
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 Hemant,

   You are right it does get a timeout from the TCP stack, but the
default
 for the connection timeout is 30 minutes.  There is a sqlnet parameter
where you
 can modify the timeout to make it shorter (sqlnet.expire_time?)  Check
metalink
 note 151972.1 for more info.

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 I'm sorry, but I really can't remember how an Oracle SQLPlus client is
supposed
 to behave when the database server's network interface is pulled out.
 We were testing a new Sun Cluster and tests for Storage FC Path Failure,
 Instance Failure,
 Node Failure, HeartBeat failure and single Network Interface failure all
 went through.

 However, when the engineer pulled out *both* network interfaces of the
running
 database server node, the SQLPlus client that had been running INSERT
 statements
 just hung.  It did not exit or error out till we killed the job.  At the
 next restart, of course,
 it connected to the database which had already failed-over to the second
node.

 The question is : Why does the SQLPlus client hang ?  Telnet sessions
 also might
 hang [couldnt' test this out as the Servers are Secured and we didn't
 have SSH on the
 client], till the user hits the ENTER key, but shouldn't SQLPlus get
server
 disconnect
 from the TCP stack ?


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Re: Re[2]: Union quries: INTERSECT, MINUS, etc

2003-07-25 Thread Peter . McLarty
Love it classic execution of KISS, no bull it just works and quick and 
efficient



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okay, I answered this offlist but...

it started out as do we have a problem, indicated by records in the
parent table with no children

select id from parent
minus
select parentid from child

that identified that we had a problem.

next step (I'm a paranoid DBA when it comes to permanently deleting
data from production)

create holding_table 
as select * from parent
where id in 
(select id from parent
minus select parentid from child)

last step

delete from parent where id in select id from holding_table

elegant? no. Fast? yes. And when I'm doing this 10 minutes before I'm
supposed to leave for the day, fast is what I want :)


I'm a BIG believer in plain vanilla coding. Slick is fine, but if I
have to spend too much more time than the slick query saves me in
creating it, it's not worth it. This is a one-off.


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 RC not very slick but I used MINUS yesterday to find parents with no
 RC children so as to purge them 
 
 Offhand, I'd think you could do this without using MINUS.
 Maybe I'm wrong. But assuming there is a non-MINUS solution,
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Re: Update through a DBLink

2003-07-25 Thread Peter . McLarty
I can only say that with a rather basic type of update across a dblink we 
had a problem with it inserting two records, it was done with a trigger 
will all the code within the trigger, so this could be related, we made a 
work around to check for the record before trying to insert it


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There is or at least was a problem if you had a autonomous transaction 
across a dblink with a commit.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/24/2003 10:59:27 AM 
One of or developers is work on a routine that will trigger a procedure
that will use a dblink to update a table on another database.  It seems
like I remember that something about a problem with procedures, dblinks,
updates?  Does anyone remember anything about that?

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Question about EXTPROC and vulnerability

2003-07-25 Thread Hemant K Chitale
Oracle's Security Alert #29  [Note 175429.1] on the EXTPROC recommends the 
workaround to disable
EXTPROC as
   1.  Removing the entry for extproc/PLSExtproc/icache_extproc from the 
listener.ora
   2.  Removing the entry from the tnsnames.ora
   3.  Renaming or removing the extproc executable

Why should all three actions be necessary ?  Why not just removing the 
entry from the
listener.ora ?  Can extproc be called without the listener configured ?

Security Alert #57 just talks of the CREATE LIBRARY privilege and makes no 
mention of
updating the listener.ora or tnsnames.ora or removing/renaming the extproc 
executable.  Why ?
Is it that Oracle wants people to use EXTPROC [or makes use of EXTPROC 
itself] so it
does not specify how EXTPROC can be disabled ?

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Re: Does the client hang or disconnect when the server's

2003-07-25 Thread Tanel Poder
Hi!

Actually it seems that as long as the network (TCP) connection is up at OS
level, Oracle is just gonna wait for reply for it's packets sent. So,
probably no 3113 error before OS drops the TCP connection (if sqlplus or OCI
doesn't have some kind of timeout implemented). Sorry about confusion...

I tested sending new request with sqlplus, by logging on as system and
suspending, not killing my server process (this way OS doesn't clear the TCP
connection):

SQL select server from v$session where username = 'SYSTEM';

SERVER
-
DEDICATED

SQL select p.spid from v$session s, v$process p where s.paddr = p.addr and
s.username = 'SYSTEM';

SPID
-
3961

SQL !kill -23 3961

SQL select * from dual;
^C
^C
^C

kill -23 means killing with SIGSTOP in Solaris and after that my next
request waited indefinetly (at least for 10 minutes after which I continued
the process with kill -25).

Tanel.
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 Unfortunately, I am not running OPS or RAC.

 This is a failover-cluster  -- if the primary node goes down, the
 database instance
 is started on the secondary node.

 I think Tanel is right that sqlnet.expire_time wouldn't apply.

 However, Tanel, I didn't understand the paragraph
 Also, sqlplus is different from normal telnet, because it tries to send a
 request only when it is on it's prompt, thus issuing a command in sqlplus
 session, when it is waiting for response from previous command, doesn't
send
 any network packets.
 Would I be right in understand it to mean that when waiting for a
response
 from
 the database server, sqlplus doesn't send any network packets.  however,
if
 sqlplus is sitting idle and a user enters a command sqlplus attempts to
 send the
 request and only then knows that the database or node is down ?
 So, if my session were sending a fresh request, it would know that the
server
 was unavailable and would return an error [3113 ?] but if it were
waiting
 for
 a response [last issued an INSERT statement and is waiting for the ACK
packet]
 it would just sit there waiting ?

 Hemant

 At 10:04 AM 24-07-03 -0800, you wrote:




 I agree sqlnet.expire_time does only effect the server, but normally when
the
 server kills the connection the client side will drop.  But in this case
it
 won't because there is no network for the client to get the dead
connection
 timeout from the server.  It sounds like Hemant is running OPS which
AFAIK
 (version 7.3) he is getting the expected behavior, to get the client to
 seemlessly switch over to the other instance he needs RAC (again AFAIK).
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Hi!
 
 This sqlnet.expire_time affects server, not sqlplus itself AFAIK. The
issue
 is likely, that sqlplus has sent a sqlnet request to server, but hasn't
got
 any response since you pulled the network cable. Thus it'll wait until
TCP
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 Also, sqlplus is different from normal telnet, because it tries to send a
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   Hemant,
  
 You are right it does get a timeout from the TCP stack, but the
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RE: Integration with IBM Mqueue series

2003-07-25 Thread Goulet, Dick
Have no experience with it, but Oracle does have a procedural gateway to IBM MQseries. 
 I've a copy of V8.0.4.1 that came in my 8.1.7 RDBMS pack.  Probably separately 
licensed.

Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
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One of our clients requirement is to replicate data from oracle to IBM mqueue series. 
We are 100% oracle shop and we do not have any IBM DB experience.

Can anyone please shed some light on how this can be done  ? 

Thanks
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RE: Union quries: INTERSECT, MINUS, etc

2003-07-25 Thread Stephen Lee

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 children so as to purge them 
 
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RE: Computing resource consumption

2003-07-25 Thread Cary Millsap
Title: RE: Computing resource consumption









You have a good point. Id expect
that most bg workload performed on behalf of a session is probably writes, so measuring
redo generation might be an excellent addition. It also encourages users (and
hence, indirectly, applications developers) to be economical with their redo generation,
which is good too. (One example of an application that generates redo when it
doesnt need to is an UPDATE that changes a column to a value it already
had.)





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Thanks
Cary, 

thanks,
but here is a question ... you say capturing physical IO is redundant ... what
about REDO generated by session? Isn't that part of physical writes? If I
just concentrate on LIO (I am currently using Logical IO' (statistic#9 in
9202).

Currently
I am concentrating on following statistics to create a matrix 

 9
-- session logical reads 
12 -- CPU used by this
session 
20 -- session pga memory 
21 -- session pga memory max 
42 -- physical reads 
46 -- physical writes 
115 -- redo size 
236 -- bytes sent via SQL*Net to
client 
237 -- bytes received via SQL*Net
from client 

not sure
if all of them will matter in the end, but at-least it is a start for me. 

Another
problem is capturing the work done by background processes on behalf of these
sessions ... how does one go about capturing that workload??

Thanks in
advance 
Raj 


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Raj,


A pretty
common (and actually pretty accurate) charge back unit is the LIO. You can get
this information by using the standard AUDIT CONNECT feature, and using the
LREAD value as your basis. If you wanted to get fancy, you might also charge by
the parse call (which you're already collecting in your V$SESSTAT query). The
reason I'd focus on these two metrics is because these are the two operations
on an Oracle system that absolutely prevent the system from scaling.

You could
count physical I/Os as well, but that would be redundant if you're already
catching LIO call counts. 

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Subject: Computing resource
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Does
anyone know any papers or techniques to compute resource consumption by users
in a DB systems? This may or may not be for computing charge-back to the
client, but my questions are 

1. What
do you compute? 
2. are there any standard methods
and or standard formula? 
I am collecting v$sesstat when a
session exits, but is data alone from session stats sufficient? How about the
work done by background processes on user's behalf? 

Do you do
anything like this at your workplace? This is something that might be coming
down the line, so I have been asked to start looking for related stuff.

Thanks in
advance 
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Re: Integration with IBM Mqueue series

2003-07-25 Thread M Rafiq
I thinks Oracle Streams in 9i does the same thing. Please check for doc on 
otn or metalink. I attended a workshop on Oracle Streams in NJ yesterday and 
presenter was Indy Johal. A nice presentation. It may be placed at 
www.njoug.org.

He is also going to present it in Oracle OPENWorld in SEP 2003.

Regards
Rafiq


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Try reading up about Oracle AQ, and particularly the JMS and translation
related stuff with 9i AQ. IBM MQ series is a Messaging gateway for  EAI
integration, It has a number of competitors such as See Beyond, Tibco and
MS Biztalk.
In simple terms these systems take in a message and through translation
rules read the message header and route it to another system, so your
Oracle Applications can talk to the SAP system or the  Peoplesoft system
or our software via a single interface as the MQ server acts as the
gateway.
All adaptors are generally C++ or Java but not exclusively and the
messages are XML
Oracle has or did have a product called Interconnect built on AQ that was
a competitor for MQ Series
HTH

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Re: Union quries: INTERSECT, MINUS, etc

2003-07-25 Thread Prasada . Gunda

Jonathan,

We use MINUS technique heavily in our DW environment to get the source
system changes since we last extracted.
We do 2-way minus (src to ods and ods to src).

Best Regards,
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RE: Question about the list

2003-07-25 Thread Jesse, Rich
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 Hi Tanel,
 
 you took the words right out of my mouth (anyone recognizing
 the song?). The same at my place. I tend to think it's a kind
 of mystery. Answers whithout questions, answers don't appear
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 As I'm writing this, it's 7 AM here in Germany. Big application
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RAC - Configuring Disk Coordinator

2003-07-25 Thread laura pena

- Configuration - Should each of these 3 LUN be on seperate disks?- What is the smallest LUN that Hitachi 9570V can be? I guess I can ask our rep if no ones knows.-Should these LUNs be mirrored? - Coordinator disks are used to support IO fencing can anyone elborate how this happens?

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RE: sqlnet.expire_time

2003-07-25 Thread Nuala Cullen

Hi there,

I was just wondering if you change the values in the sqlnet.ora file do you
need to bounce the database??

I have looked up the documentation but it does n't mention it so I just
wanted to make sure - no point in changing things if the database does not
realise that you have changed certain parameters.

Thanks,
N.

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:-SQLNET.EXPIRE_TIME=10
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dbms_job

2003-07-25 Thread bulbultyagi
Hello list,
I am running 9.2.0.1.0 enterprise edition on win32.
Why doesn't the Supplied PLSQL Packages and Types Reference docs mention
dbms_system ?
It doesn't seem to be explained anywhere in the docs although the admin
docs say that it can be used enable sql_trace for another session.
I was able to do that only after learning about its parameters thru :
sql describe dbms_system
while I was logged in as sysdba.
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DBMS_SHARED_POOL

2003-07-25 Thread bulbultyagi
Hello list,
1.  Can the following statement be executed sucessfully only by the sysdba
?

 EXECUTE DBMS_SHARED_POOL.ABORTED_REQUEST_THRESHOLD (25165824 ) ;

2.  ?\rdbms\admin\dbmspool.sql  creates dbms_shared_pool . And it
explicitly
grants execute on dbms_shared_pool to execute_catalog_role.  Still I cannot
run the above statement  when connected as system/manager on my 9.2.0.1.0
enterprise edn on windows.
I get the following errors :

SQL sho user
USER is SYSTEM

SQL EXECUTE DBMS_SHARED_POOL.ABORTED_REQUEST_THRESHOLD ( 25165824 ) ;

BEGIN DBMS_SHARED_POOL.ABORTED_REQUEST_THRESHOLD ( 31457280 ) ; END;
*
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-04068: existing state of packages has been discarded
ORA-04063: package body SYSTEM.DBMS_SHARED_POOL has errors
ORA-06508: PL/SQL: could not find program unit being called
ORA-06512: at line 1

3.  However When I run as sysdba, no problems

SQL sho user
USER is SYS
SQL EXECUTE DBMS_SHARED_POOL.ABORTED_REQUEST_THRESHOLD ( 25165824 ) ;
PL/SQL procedure successfully completed.

Any ideas ?


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Re: Question about the list

2003-07-25 Thread Tanel Poder
No, only few of my posts don't make it back to my mailbox. I don't think
that the listserver has an option trash random messages at will ;)

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  Hi Tanel,
 
  you took the words right out of my mouth (anyone recognizing
  the song?). The same at my place. I tend to think it's a kind
  of mystery. Answers whithout questions, answers don't appear
  to be send... But I'm too tired to think about it.
 
  As I'm writing this, it's 7 AM here in Germany. Big application
  launch this weekend. So much work to do.
 
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Re: RAC - Configuring Disk Coordinator

2003-07-25 Thread laura pena

Sorry all my message got hacked here is the first paragraph

Going through the Veritas installation guide (pg 47) and I have a question on the required 3 LUN creation needed to support RAC for Veritas DBE/AC, when setting up Disk Coordinator:laura pena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


- Configuration - Should each of these 3 LUN be on seperate disks?- What is the smallest LUN that Hitachi 9570V can be? I guess I can ask our rep if no ones knows.-Should these LUNs be mirrored? - Coordinator disks are used to support IO fencing can anyone elborate how this happens?

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RE: dbms_job

2003-07-25 Thread Sarnowski, Chris

It would seem that dbms_system has become undocumented.
It used to be partially documented, e.g. there was a
description of set_sql_trace_in_session, but they seem
to have pulled that as of 8.1. You're supposed to use
dbms_support now, but that too seems to be undocumented.

At least on Solaris, you have to beg support for the 8i
install script, but the 9i install script is included in
$ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin.

There are some notes about this in some of the forums at
metalink ( I searched 'dbms_system dbms_support').

HTH,
-Chris

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 I am running 9.2.0.1.0 enterprise edition on win32.
 Why doesn't the Supplied PLSQL Packages and Types Reference 
 docs mention
 dbms_system ?
 It doesn't seem to be explained anywhere in the docs although 
 the admin
 docs say that it can be used enable sql_trace for another session.
 I was able to do that only after learning about its parameters thru :
 sql describe dbms_system
 while I was logged in as sysdba.
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RE: RAC - Configuring Disk Coordinator

2003-07-25 Thread Matthew Zito
Title: Message




To 
answer your questions.

1) 
Ideally, yes, though they don't need to be.
2) 
Absolutely. Veritas will get very unhappy if it loses access to those 
disks
3) 
SCSI-3 Persistent Reservation. When a node "malfunctions", another node 
will issue a SCSI-3 reservation against the 3 coordinator disks. When the 
broken node tries to access those disks (as it does every few seconds normally) 
it will be rejected and the box will panic (I'm pretty sure it panics - test 
it)

Feel 
free to email me off-list if you have any other questions.

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  Coordinator
  
  Sorry all my message got hacked here is the first paragraph
  
  Going through the Veritas installation guide (pg 47) and I have a 
  question on the required 3 LUN creation needed to support RAC for Veritas 
  DBE/AC, when setting up Disk Coordinator:laura pena 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  

- Configuration - Should each of these 3 LUN be on seperate disks?- 
What is the smallest LUN that Hitachi 9570V can be? I guess I can ask our 
rep if no ones knows.-Should these LUNs be mirrored? - Coordinator 
disks are used to support IO fencing can anyone elborate how this 
happens?

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RE: RAC - Configuring Disk Coordinator

2003-07-25 Thread Matthew Zito
Title: Message




Whoops - I missed a question in there. Smallest lun 
possible? On the older HDS thunder systems, you can make teeny-tiny luns - 
I'm guessing the 9570V is the same way. Make a raid group and carve a few 
small luns out of it.

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  Disk Coordinator
  
  To 
  answer your questions.
  
  1) 
  Ideally, yes, though they don't need to be.
  2) 
  Absolutely. Veritas will get very unhappy if it loses access to those 
  disks
  3) 
  SCSI-3 Persistent Reservation. When a node "malfunctions", another node 
  will issue a SCSI-3 reservation against the 3 coordinator disks. When 
  the broken node tries to access those disks (as it does every few seconds 
  normally) it will be rejected and the box will panic (I'm pretty sure it 
  panics - test it)
  
  Feel 
  free to email me off-list if you have any other questions.
  
  Thanks,
  Matt
  
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Configuring Disk Coordinator

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Going through the Veritas installation guide (pg 47) and I have a 
question on the required 3 LUN creation needed to support RAC for Veritas 
DBE/AC, when setting up Disk Coordinator:laura pena 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  
  - Configuration - Should each of these 3 LUN be on seperate 
  disks?- What is the smallest LUN that Hitachi 9570V can be? I guess I 
  can ask our rep if no ones knows.-Should these LUNs be mirrored? - 
  Coordinator disks are used to support IO fencing can anyone elborate how 
  this happens?
  
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[Q] how to make Develper 6i talk to ORACLE 8i client??

2003-07-25 Thread mike mon
ORACLE Developer 6i come with ORACLE 8.0.6 client
sql*net.  Does their has way to make Developer 6i use
ORACLE 8i (8.1.7) sql*net or NOT?


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Anyone using onames on win2k server + 8.1.7 ?

2003-07-25 Thread Bob Metelsky
All

Ive gone round and round with  a new install of 8.17 and getting
names to work.
Initially when a name server was greated and upi opend the NET8 config,
it would crash
Searching metalink provided the needed patches
1,2,3,4
Aplied all in sequence without errors
Import large tnsfile into names, save config and exit
All the instances can be querried through the name server both locally
(on the machine) and remotely
However
When the service restarts, or machine reboots all configuration is lost

Searched metalnk and diddnt comeup with too much. I opned a TAR and was
suggested to move to 9.x
Well, Ive spent so much time on this and I need to maintain the 8.1.x
version for this particullar server
So, my question is anyone using onames on win2k server 8.1.7

My banner is as follows

SQL*Plus: Release 8.1.7.0.0 - Production on Fri Jul 25 13:37:17 2003
(c) Copyright 2000 Oracle Corporation.  All rights reserved.
Connected to:
Oracle8i Enterprise Edition Release 8.1.7.4.1 - Production
With the Partitioning option
JServer Release 8.1.7.4.1 - Production

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Re: [Q] how to make Develper 6i talk to ORACLE 8i client??

2003-07-25 Thread John Shaw


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Emacs on SQLPlus, er uh... SQLPlus on emacs.

2003-07-25 Thread Orr, Steve
vi is what I use and it's the predominant editor for SysAdmin/DBA types
but I'm curious as to how many DBA's use emacs. I just saw a demo of
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and IDE for SQL without Windoze GUI dependencies. Any DBA's use emacs on
a daily basis?  

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RE: Emacs on SQLPlus, er uh... SQLPlus on emacs.

2003-07-25 Thread Matthew Zito

massive generalization

It seems like DBAs that use Emacs over vi (emacs vs. vi being the
classic UNIX holy war) tend to be people who were introduced to UNIX by
being either a developer or an end-user.  If a DBA favors vi over emacs,
it seems that they generally come from a sysadmin background.  That's
how I ended up a vi user - none of the systems I was ever working on
could be counted to have any editor OTHER than vi.  For better or worse,
its the ubiquitous UNIX text editor.

/massive generalization

Of course, there are those who use notepad + ftp

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RE: Emacs on SQLPlus, er uh... SQLPlus on emacs.

2003-07-25 Thread Goulet, Dick
My editor of choice is UltraEdit-32 from IDM, especially since the intergrated FTP 
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massive generalization

It seems like DBAs that use Emacs over vi (emacs vs. vi being the
classic UNIX holy war) tend to be people who were introduced to UNIX by
being either a developer or an end-user.  If a DBA favors vi over emacs,
it seems that they generally come from a sysadmin background.  That's
how I ended up a vi user - none of the systems I was ever working on
could be counted to have any editor OTHER than vi.  For better or worse,
its the ubiquitous UNIX text editor.

/massive generalization

Of course, there are those who use notepad + ftp

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RE: Emacs on SQLPlus, er uh... SQLPlus on emacs.

2003-07-25 Thread Wolfe Stephen S GS-11 6 MDSS/SGSI

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That's me.  ggg

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Re: dbms_job

2003-07-25 Thread Pete Finnigan
Hi

The package dbms_system is now private, the body and header are both
created in $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin/prvtutil.plb. The sql file
$ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin/dbmsutil.sql has the following in it now:


Rem dbms_system   - database system level commands   
(moved to
Rem prvtutil.sql for more obscurity)

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Re: Emacs on SQLPlus, er uh... SQLPlus on emacs.

2003-07-25 Thread Pete Finnigan
Hi 

I use vi on Unix and textpad on windoze. I like to write macros for vi
so it types repetitive code for me...:-), although I should probably use
an editor with more powerful macro facilities.

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RE: dbms_job

2003-07-25 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: dbms_job





www.orafaq.com/papers/dbms_sys.doc 


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Rem dbms_system - database system level commands 
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Rem prvtutil.sql for more obscurity)


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Re: Emacs on SQLPlus, er uh... SQLPlus on emacs.

2003-07-25 Thread Dwayne Cox
For Windows work, I love UltraEdit.  For *nix work, vi(m)'s the ticket.

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massive generalization

It seems like DBAs that use Emacs over vi (emacs vs. vi being the
classic UNIX holy war) tend to be people who were introduced to UNIX by
being either a developer or an end-user.  If a DBA favors vi over emacs,
it seems that they generally come from a sysadmin background.  That's
how I ended up a vi user - none of the systems I was ever working on
could be counted to have any editor OTHER than vi.  For better or worse,
its the ubiquitous UNIX text editor.
/massive generalization

Of course, there are those who use notepad + ftp

Matt

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vi is what I use and it's the predominant editor for 
SysAdmin/DBA types but I'm curious as to how many DBA's use 
emacs. I just saw a demo of SQL*Plus running under emacs and 
it was quite functional... Sorta like and IDE for SQL without 
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Re: Anyone using onames on win2k server + 8.1.7 ?

2003-07-25 Thread Ron Thomas

We don't do windows here...  but the 9.2 names server works just fine with all our 
8.1.7.4 databases
under unix.  9.2 names also does seam to be more stable than the 8.1.7 version.

Just food for thought...

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All

 Ive gone round and round with  a new install of 8.17 and getting
names to work.
Initially when a name server was greated and upi opend the NET8 config,
it would crash
Searching metalink provided the needed patches
1,2,3,4
Aplied all in sequence without errors
Import large tnsfile into names, save config and exit
All the instances can be querried through the name server both locally
(on the machine) and remotely
However
When the service restarts, or machine reboots all configuration is lost

Searched metalnk and diddnt comeup with too much. I opned a TAR and was
suggested to move to 9.x
Well, Ive spent so much time on this and I need to maintain the 8.1.x
version for this particullar server
So, my question is anyone using onames on win2k server 8.1.7

My banner is as follows

SQL*Plus: Release 8.1.7.0.0 - Production on Fri Jul 25 13:37:17 2003
(c) Copyright 2000 Oracle Corporation.  All rights reserved.
Connected to:
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Re: [Q] how to make Develper 6i talk to ORACLE 8i client??

2003-07-25 Thread Ron Thomas

The 8.0.6 client works just fine with 8.1.7 databases.  Why do you want to make 
developer 6i use
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RE: Emacs on SQLPlus, er uh... SQLPlus on emacs.

2003-07-25 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: Emacs on SQLPlus, er uh... SQLPlus on emacs.





vi for unix ... vim for windows


Raj

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For Windows work, I love UltraEdit. For *nix work, vi(m)'s the ticket.



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 My editor of choice is UltraEdit-32 from IDM, especially since the intergrated FTP into the editor.
 
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 massive generalization
 
 It seems like DBAs that use Emacs over vi (emacs vs. vi being the
 classic UNIX holy war) tend to be people who were introduced to UNIX by
 being either a developer or an end-user. If a DBA favors vi over emacs,
 it seems that they generally come from a sysadmin background. That's
 how I ended up a vi user - none of the systems I was ever working on
 could be counted to have any editor OTHER than vi. For better or worse,
 its the ubiquitous UNIX text editor.
 
 /massive generalization
 
 Of course, there are those who use notepad + ftp
 
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Re: dbms_job

2003-07-25 Thread bulbultyagi
Thanks pete

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 Hi

 The package dbms_system is now private, the body and header are both
 created in $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin/prvtutil.plb. The sql file
 $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin/dbmsutil.sql has the following in it now:


 Rem dbms_system   - database system level commands
 (moved to
 Rem prvtutil.sql for more obscurity)

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Advice needed on dbms_shared_pool value

2003-07-25 Thread bulbultyagi
Hello list I needed your advice on the following :
1.  What value do you all specify in
DBMS_SHARED_POOL.ABORTED_REQUEST_THRESHOLD
( value )  ?
(1.a.) Should it be set equal to the shared_pool_size ?
(1.b.) Should it be greater than shared_pool_size ?
(But wouldn't that be impossible.  The free list would not be able to
service a user request for a size greater than the shared_pool_size)
(1.c)  Should it be set equal to shared_pool_size minus
shared_pool_reserved_size.
( I am not clear on this .  Please tell me : can the free list service a
request  by taking space from the reserved area AND the rest of shared pool
or is it 'one or the other and not both together' )

2.  After sucessfully executing
DBMS_SHARED_POOL.ABORTED_REQUEST_THRESHOLD ( value )
(2.a) why doesn't the 'value' show up in
 select aborted_request_threshold from v$shared_pool_reserved ; ?
(2.b) Where would I look to see the change ?

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RE: [Q] how to make Develper 6i talk to ORACLE 8i client??

2003-07-25 Thread John Blake
the 8.0.6 client also works with 9.2

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Re: dbms_job

2003-07-25 Thread bulbultyagi
Thanks chris.
Let me know if you find out anything more.
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 It would seem that dbms_system has become undocumented.
 It used to be partially documented, e.g. there was a
 description of set_sql_trace_in_session, but they seem
 to have pulled that as of 8.1. You're supposed to use
 dbms_support now, but that too seems to be undocumented.

 At least on Solaris, you have to beg support for the 8i
 install script, but the 9i install script is included in
 $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin.

 There are some notes about this in some of the forums at
 metalink ( I searched 'dbms_system dbms_support').

 HTH,
 -Chris

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  I am running 9.2.0.1.0 enterprise edition on win32.
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  It doesn't seem to be explained anywhere in the docs although
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  I was able to do that only after learning about its parameters thru :
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RE: Emacs on SQLPlus, er uh... SQLPlus on emacs.

2003-07-25 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Steve - I've used Unix for many years at many different sites, mostly with
large development staffs. In that time, I've only encountered one emacs
user. He said that emacs had many capabilities, but they struggled several
months getting it even semi-functional. I'm not sure they had it working
when I left, at least he was too frustrated to gloat.
   Mostly I've seen people use something better than vi. If your site uses a
GUI interface like X-Windows, then there will be a GUI editor. Currently
people that wish to avoid vi tend to copy and paste over to Notepad.
   On my first Unix assignment I was doing documentation. So I decided to
write documents on vi. Turns out vi has some great word processing features,
like word wrap. Anyway I used that assignment to learn vi really well and
that has paid off really well over the years. As I said, every site has had
something better than vi, but that something has always been different and
vi never changes. Why tamper with perfection? ;-)

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vi is what I use and it's the predominant editor for SysAdmin/DBA types
but I'm curious as to how many DBA's use emacs. I just saw a demo of
SQL*Plus running under emacs and it was quite functional... Sorta like
and IDE for SQL without Windoze GUI dependencies. Any DBA's use emacs on
a daily basis?  

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RE: Question about the list

2003-07-25 Thread Niall Litchfield
 you took the words right out of my mouth (anyone recognizing 
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Indeed, but there's no way I'm kissing you :( 

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RE: Emacs on SQLPlus, er uh... SQLPlus on emacs.

2003-07-25 Thread Jesse, Rich
I use MicroEMACS almost every day, albeit on my Amiga (or now on my UAE
Amiga emulator) to edit webpages and not really for DBA work.

Hey, us obnoxious Amigans have to get in every plug we can!  :)

CTRL-XCTRL-F

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 SQL*Plus running under emacs and it was quite functional... Sorta like
 and IDE for SQL without Windoze GUI dependencies. Any DBA's 
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RE: Oracle on linux vs. on windows

2003-07-25 Thread Niall Litchfield
Title: Message



When I 
eventually found the source article http://www.interealm.com/technotes/roby/pentmark.html, 
it seemed to me that there were some problems with it. 

1. It 
said the two OS and databases were 'similarly' configured but didn't show what 
the configuration was. 
2. It 
states that Windows 2000 does not support mount points and so OFA cannot be 
used. This is incorrect. 
3. I 
waasn't sure how much weight as given to Linux as a Unix alike system being 
similar to Unix systems. This seems to be a daft comparison. 

4. it 
wasn't clear how the conclusions (use Linux where you don't use clustering - use 
windows if you don't need to scale) came from the tests. 

Otherwise it seemed a fair comparison of apples to oranges :( 



Niall 

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windows

  I 
  found this item on the 'net this morning:
  
  http://rootprompt.org/article.php3?article=5475
  
  Patrice.


Re: Emacs on SQLPlus, er uh... SQLPlus on emacs.

2003-07-25 Thread david davis
Our servers (AIX/HP) don't even have emacs on it. Use vi for small stuff 
otherwise I fall into the ftp with windows environment to work. I use 
CodeWright.


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vi is what I use and it's the predominant editor for SysAdmin/DBA types
but I'm curious as to how many DBA's use emacs. I just saw a demo of
SQL*Plus running under emacs and it was quite functional... Sorta like
and IDE for SQL without Windoze GUI dependencies. Any DBA's use emacs on
a daily basis?
:wq (Or ZZ)
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Oracle links web page gone -- bummer!

2003-07-25 Thread Jesse, Rich
Anyone have a copy of the contents of:

http://web.singnet.com.sg/~petermag/oracle.html

..posted somewhere else?  I *knew* I should have made a local copy, but
didn't want to deal with maintaining it.  :(

Off to have a weekend...
Rich

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RE: Emacs on SQLPlus, er uh... SQLPlus on emacs.

2003-07-25 Thread Orr, Steve
I agree with the developer vs. sysadmin generalization but this was not
meant to be a post about favorite editors... It's about whether anyone
has used or seen a SQLPlus shell running under emacs. Has anyone
witnessed SQLPlus running under a well-configured emacs session and
have impressions to share?

The statistics I've heard are that 9 out of 10 SysAdmin/DBA's use vi. I
wonder what the breakdown is for Linux admins? Since emacs is easy to
implement I could see it gaining ground on Linux but sometimes old
dinosaur type SysAdmins are slow to evolve. :-)

Steve Orr-asaurus, with apologies to Don G.


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massive generalization

It seems like DBAs that use Emacs over vi (emacs vs. vi being the
classic UNIX holy war) tend to be people who were introduced to UNIX by
being either a developer or an end-user.  If a DBA favors vi over emacs,
it seems that they generally come from a sysadmin background.  That's
how I ended up a vi user - none of the systems I was ever working on
could be counted to have any editor OTHER than vi.  For better or worse,
its the ubiquitous UNIX text editor.

/massive generalization

Of course, there are those who use notepad + ftp

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 vi is what I use and it's the predominant editor for SysAdmin/DBA 
 types but I'm curious as to how many DBA's use emacs. I just saw a 
 demo of SQL*Plus running under emacs and it was quite functional... 
 Sorta like and IDE for SQL without Windoze GUI dependencies. Any DBA's

 use emacs on a daily basis?
 
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RE: Integration with IBM Mqueue series

2003-07-25 Thread Stephane Paquette
I'm very interested in that question.

We'll feed our ODS (Oracle) in near real time fashion using MQ-Series.


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One of our clients requirement is to replicate data from oracle to IBM
mqueue series. We are 100% oracle shop and we do not have any IBM DB
experience.

Can anyone please shed some light on how this can be done  ?

Thanks
Rakesh

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Re: Advice needed on dbms_shared_pool value

2003-07-25 Thread Tanel Poder
Hi!

Why do you want to tune this parameter? I've never needed it?
I suggest just to keep it as it is if you don't have very specific shared
pool problems. And usually those problems come from bad application or bugs
anyway...

Tanel.

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 Hello list I needed your advice on the following :
 1.  What value do you all specify in
 DBMS_SHARED_POOL.ABORTED_REQUEST_THRESHOLD
 ( value )  ?
 (1.a.) Should it be set equal to the shared_pool_size ?
 (1.b.) Should it be greater than shared_pool_size ?
 (But wouldn't that be impossible.  The free list would not be able to
 service a user request for a size greater than the shared_pool_size)
 (1.c)  Should it be set equal to shared_pool_size minus
 shared_pool_reserved_size.
 ( I am not clear on this .  Please tell me : can the free list service a
 request  by taking space from the reserved area AND the rest of shared
pool
 or is it 'one or the other and not both together' )

 2.  After sucessfully executing
 DBMS_SHARED_POOL.ABORTED_REQUEST_THRESHOLD ( value )
 (2.a) why doesn't the 'value' show up in
  select aborted_request_threshold from v$shared_pool_reserved ; ?
 (2.b) Where would I look to see the change ?

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Re: Opinions on Oracle InterConnect

2003-07-25 Thread Tanel Poder



Hi!

Yes I believe InterConnect comes with Apps (technically with 9iAS).
The plus is that Oracle itself is developing it and it's probably a 
strategic part in whole E-Business Suite. I believe it's running on Advanced 
Queuing and Workflow.

The problem is, afaik, it's quite fresh product

Others are Tibco, Microsoft has BizTalk... I just read about them today 
either from this list or from c.d.oracle.server newsgroup. There were few 
more.

Tanel.

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  Subject: Opinions on Oracle 
  InterConnect
  
  We have a new project kicking off and the vendor plans on 
  implementing Oracle InterConnectfor Oracle Application Interfaces. 
  Has anyone used this product? Are there other similar products out 
  there? I have been told Oracle InterConnect is free. Will it work 
  Asyncronously? 
  Thanks for any insight on this product.
  Gene