Re: [Origami] Origami Book Fold
On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 1:30 PM, JC Nolan wrote: > > Does anyone know the source of this design? I've seen this in various bookbinding books over the last decade. I used this fold for the conference program for an International Open Education conference 5 years or so ago. c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] tato or gift/business card holder
I'm looking for some gift/business card holders---or other tatos/folds suitable for presenting gift cards---other than the extremely common model I see everywhere online (as seen here: http://howaboutorange.blogspot.com/2012/08/how-to-make-origami-business-card-holder.html). I can make various square tatos large enough, but I'd prefer something suitably rectangular. Suggestions? c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] Seattle paper shops, meetings, etc.
I'll be spending a three weeks in Seattle over the holidays and was wondering if: a) there are any shops to look for that have origami paper and/or art paper suitable for origami b) any local folding groups that will be having gatherings or the like ? Thanks in advance... c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] History of Origami
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Anna wrote: > Many thanks to Glenn McNitt who provided me with an interesting List > of books that contain Information about the history of Origami. Could you possibly also share the list of books? c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Decorative Cube Diagrams
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Anne LaVin wrote: > since > Meenakshi has asserted copyright on the diagrams, they are NOT, in fact, > released "in the public domain." That phrase is, actually, a legal term of > art and means something very different from what non-lawyers think it means > - namely, that you are giving up all copyright in the material entirely! > > What I think she meant was "making the diagrams freely and publicly > available." Which does not mean she doesn't still have a copyright in the > diagrams, unless she expressly gives it up, or uses some other scheme like > Creative Commons or something. Specifically, Meenakshi could choose the "CC0" Creative Commons license to assert a contribution to the public domain, as it is technically somewhat difficult to legally do so across various jurisdictions: https://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/ c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Preference: diagrams or video instructions
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Paper Dragon wrote: > I was wondering if other people had a preference between diagrams or video > instructions? Ideally, both are great of course. I'm diagram-impaired in some ways...once a collapse or other sequence gets complex, a video often enlightens me where no amount of crumpled-paper frustration with a diagram seems able to. But if I have to choose one, I'll go with diagrams. Easier to "speed up" or "slow down" with the paper, I don't need a computer in front of me, etc. Also, it seems easier for people to get up to speed making good diagrams than it does getting the equipment, location, etc for making *good* video instructions. Often I find a well-placed photo or two illustrating a trouble spot, supplementing a traditional diagram, is perhaps ideal. c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] The heart of origami
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:11 AM, David Mitchell wrote: > Elegance ... is a much misunderstood term nowadays because it now seems to > be used in two completely contradictory senses. To me elegance is not a > quality of the finished design but of the folding sequence This strikes me not as contradictory but disconnected. Or at least potentially so. A model can have an elegant folding sequence, it can be an elegant model when finished, or both (or neither). The complication, of course, is that an inelegant sequence can lead to an elegant-appearing result (and, I suppose, an elegant sequence can lead to an inelegant result) and then it's turtles all the way down when arguing about whether elegance must include both process and product, etc. Folders have insight into the process so they naturally want to (often) include that as part of the definition of an elegant model, but I see no reason to deny that elegance is a quality that can be appreciated in things whose origin and process of construction one has little or no idea about. c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] Identify creator of this rooster model
Can anyone tell me who designed this rooster? https://www.flickr.com/photos/fncll/15518579335/ Most of my books are in storage and I'm not having much luck with The Google... Thanks! c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] InCoWriMo Origami
February is InCoWriMo (International Correspondence Writing Month - http://incowrimo.org/) and, as usual, I am putting small origami models in as "tuck-ins" with my letters. So I am looking for suggestions for interesting/striking/cool models that are flat and relatively small. I have Google and many books but am looking for personal suggestions for particular favorites that fit that requirement. A few examples I am already using: Hajime's Dahlia, Paul Jackson's seated cat, Mukerjee's Marigold, and Sok Song's songbird... Thanks for any suggestions! c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] New ? origami book
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Kathy Knapp wrote: > I wonder if this is legal. Below is the text of what I copied from Barnes & > Noble. Has anyone actually seen the book? Surely there is not 124 pages > worth on origami at Wikipedia, or is there? It is legal as long as the publisher *also* makes it available under the same Creative Commons license Wikipedia uses (click on the license information on any Wikipedia content page to see). Of course there are more and less tricky (and more or less moral) ways to meet that requirement. I can easily see 124 pages if whoever is compiling brings in history and other such related information. Doesn't mean it's *good* or that I would pay for it :) c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Origami Quote
On Saturday, January 18, 2014, Anna wrote: > Rosemary Browne asked > > Would anyone happen to know who thought of the origami quote: *"It isn't > origami until it is shared."* > > I believe it was Philip Chapman-Bell who first came up with this phrase: > http://origami.oschene.com/about/ > > > This is also a fundamental concept in the idea of "gift culture" and exchange. Relevant because Lewis Hyde's book _The Gift_ is, I think, a must-read for artists of any kind. In addition to art not being a gift--and thus not really being whole--until it is shared, it isn't a gift unless the recipient can, in turn, gift it to someone else. Hyde's book isn't a technical one, but about the spirit of artists and their art... c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Cataloguing origami gift wrapping techniques
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Gerardo @neorigami.com wrote: > Claire in a first message mentioned that the gift wrapping technique > presented in "Complete Origami" by Eric Kenneway is also in "Envelope and > Letter Folding" 2nd ed. by ELFA and "An Encylopedia of Hand-folded > Comnunications" by John Cunliffe. > > Can any of you tell me if the technique is credited to anyone in particular > in any of the two books? It's in the 2nd ed. of "Envelope and Letter Folding" (p. 37). The index lists it as "trad. method of wrapping slim rectangular objects, ref. Complete Origami (Eric Kenneway)." I don't have the Encyclopedia you refer to... Incidentally,. there are a variety of books on Amazon that look like they'd contain at least some origami wrapping techniques. c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Origami visual journal
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Azulet wrote: > Another time I like to take notes and look back on progress is for origami > artist trading cards (atc). I enjoy hearing and sharing stories of > inspirations and creative process. > http://azuleteats.blogspot.com/2013/06/2013-june-ousa-artist-trading-cards.html This is the first time, as far as I can remember, that I've heard of origami ATCs, though it makes perfect sense. Is this a common form/activity at conventions? c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] whose modular ring/star is this?
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:18 AM, V A wrote: > What I referred to as 'Spiky Star' is a model by Paolo Bascetta & it's called > 'Stella 3'... & more-better ;) is that diagrams to it are available in > Paolo's wonderful book 'Origami 51 Modelli' on page 58-59!! Do you happen to have an ISBN for that book? c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Practigami: Neorigami's first printed book
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Rob Hudson wrote: > It's funny,I actually saw yesterday on a forum someone agreeing to buy an > ebook instead of pirating a copy. " come on, guys," he says, "it's cheap > and all the money goes to the creator." > That's the first time I've ever seen that out in an unmoderated space. But, as I'm sure you know, it's not an uncommon conversation in private spaces...for me, I'm *particularly* interested in seeing the publishing field catch up with my needs in my nonfiction areas of interest: origami, baking, paper art...for me, though I am a book fiend, I'd take them in electronic form only if I had to choose. Right now it would just be nice to more often have the choice at all. c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Practigami: Neorigami's first printed book
On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Gerardo @neorigami.com wrote: > For now we'll just > offer it as a printed book just cause that's what we talked with all the > people that helped out with the book. Maybe in the future we'll consider > that option. I hope you consider that option soon. I find I buy fewer and fewer print books unless I can obtain a digital version (in which case I usually end up buying both...it doesn't necessarily make sense, it's just how I am). c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Diagrams in the web with black background?
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Gerardo @neorigami.com wrote: > I'm interested in this idea in order to make diagrams a little diferent, > but I want to know what folders think about it. I'm ambivalent. But note: there are many other potentially more pleasing color combinations, whether you want to remain with light on dark or vice-versa. The subject of light/dark contrast and readability is full of myth and rumor, but in any case I've not yet seen any that talk about "readability" when it comes to diagrams. There's sound reason to believe that studies regarding readability of text are of greatly limited application to diagrams which have very little text (not to mention that one can look at studies or habits and the fact is many who spend their days reading screens prefer light on dark) and many studies that are oft-cited are about print anyway. In other words: don't expect consensus; figure out what you like; don't be afraid of other color combos... c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] People that make the coolest looking digital diagrams?
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 9:24 AM, KDianne Stephens wrote: > Cool diagrams are super art in the own right. > It sounds like there is an assumption they are excellent instruction. I agree that what is artistic might not be most instructive. Rickki Donachie's diagrams that show fingers/hands for collapses are both artistic and quite instructive. For example: http://clinki.es/go/TS c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Known experts in instructional videos?
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 6:28 AM, Gerardo @neorigami.com wrote: > When it comes to instructional videos I personally consider as known > experts: Leyla Torres, Sara Adams, and Evan Zodl (hi Leyla, Sara, and Evan!) > > Well that's just my humble opinion, so I wanted to ask you guys if there > are others you would also consider known experts in this matter besides the > ones I mentioned. A few that have multiple entries in my favorites list: * Jo Nakashima: http://www.youtube.com/user/jonakashima * Ilan Garibi: http://www.youtube.com/user/garibiilan * Tadashi Mori: http://www.youtube.com/user/tadashimori And only a few videos, but very well done: Anna ? - http://www.youtube.com/user/kaliz c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Akira Yoshizawa reference
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Paper Dragon wrote: > I concur with Joseph Wu, the Jackie Chan cartoon had a villain "Origami Man". > His secret identity was Kunihiko Kasahara. I have this episode in digital form. When I have a bit of time I'll post a segment or two. c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Origami reference on CBS last night
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:46 AM, DANIEL SCHER wrote: > > Somebody on the CBS show 'How I Met Your Mother' must know some origami. In > last night's episode, the following conversation occurs in the middle of a > poker game I put this clip on YouTube if anyone wants to see the brief segment for themselves... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75eJvlsTZDs c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Classes
I have taught origami for the "Osher Lifelong Learning Institute" and some similar continuing ed organizations... a lot less rigamarole than teaching for the community college, which I also have done (but not origami classes). If course other community organizations might be interested (I've taught in conjunction with the library and the arts council). Most pay minimally if at all, though. c On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Christine Tatro wrote: > My husband suggested that I teach origami at the local community college. > How would I go about this? Any suggestions? Who would I contact for models? > Thanks in advance. > All the best, > Christine Tatro
Re: [Origami] 2 X 1 or 1 X 2 rectangle
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 3:12 PM, calkin wrote: > On this, I go with the mathematical convention for matrices: the first > number denotes height > (for matrices, number of rows) and the second number, width (number of > columns). But then which orientation are you assuming the paper has when you are describing height/width? "Landscape?" I always use the larger dimension first, which seems to have become popular parlance thanks to television and other media sizes (4:3, 16:9)...and I always use the colon for some reason I can't pin down. c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] FOCA Convention Books past 1991? And jumping frogs...
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Andrew Hans wrote: > FOCA was the precursor of Origami USA. Friends of the Origami Center of > America (I believe). Now to the 1992 annual book. I find no Jumping Frog > by Mark Kennedy in that issue. The Origami database has references to > hundreds of jumping frogs. The mythical Kennedy frog is referenced in various places as setting the record for length of a jump, such as: http://www.nickrobinson.info/clients/smithy/records/longest.php To be fair, the 1992 is always followed by a question mark. But I can find no reference to the model anywhere... c
[Origami] FOCA Convention Books past 1991? And jumping frogs...
Does anyone know how long the FOCA Convention ran? Or, more specifically, what years there was a convention booklet? I see that the OUSA Lending Library has FOCA Booklets from 1981-1991. I've found references to an origami jumping frog designed by Mark Kennedy, but they all list FOCA 1992 and I can't find anything out about that booklet. I'm collecting jumping frog variations to teach (and just because I'm interested in them), so if you know of good ones, please let me know! c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] Paper Storage (cases, boxes, etc)
How do those of you with a lot of origami paper store it? I'm looking at clear plastic square cases that are 1" high...the only ones I've found must be bought in lots of 25, though they do go up to 12". It seems that square storage cases are not that common. But before I take the plunge, maybe there are better ideas out there? Storing on open shelves really isn't workable except for the paper larger than 12", given where my workspace is and how it's (necessarily) set up. c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] Ordering books from Amazon (Japan)
Before I try to fumble my way through the process, have any of you ordered books from Amazon Japan? I'm looking at both some used and new books. I'm assuming the new ones, at least, will ship to the US. Not sure what used book sellers will do? It does seem like there are quite a few books available there I can't get anywhere else! c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] Extra Origami Commercial
I couldn't remember if anyone posted this sighting, but origami cranes play a nice role in this sweet commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxZu-6jewL4 c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] Origami Shop free shipping!
I hope this isn't appropriate (I have no affiliation with Origami Shop), but http://www.origami-shop.com/ is offering free shipping for two more days (today and tomorrow). It's standard unregistered shipping, but that's what I've always used successfully...but still. c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] 1890s Paper Folding (Froebel education model)
Stumbled across this and found it interesting, an 1890s instructional book using paper folding and Froebel method for Kindergartners: http://www.moma.org/collection/object.php?object_id=145087 c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] bookbinding and origami; photos of hand-bookbinding in Calcutta
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:27 AM, Karen Reeds wrote: > I've been > recently reminded that bookbinding required a kind of origami: I'm fascinated by the intersection of Origami and book binding/art. There are of course various book folds that make little pamphlets, etc. Expanding (heh) on that, a classic example would be "Turkish Map" books, such as this: < http://www.scoop.it/t/book-arts-and-book-binding/p/2543415238/turkish-map-fold-book-with-cover > and this: <http://www.greenchairpress.com/blog/?p=2082> Or accordion books...or their reverse, which I like more, the flutter book: <http://femminismo.blogspot.com/2008/02/flutter-books-from-sumi-paper.html> Any discussion of origami and book arts, links, etc. are always appreciated! c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Collapse the model symbol
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Robert J. Lang wrote: >>What is the Origami diagramming symbol for ³collapse the model² ? > > I vote for this: > > http://tinyurl.com/jvp9vz3 That's pretty much exactly what my attempts look like... c
Re: [Origami] Two-colored symbol
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Nick Robinson wrote:
> I say this as someone who once tried to introduce a new symbol ("fold with
> feeling") which exactly didn't set the world on fire ;)
Maybe your symbol was just poorly conceived. Did it involve glowing
fingertips, ET style?
c
Re: [Origami] Two Flattened Crumples
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Galen Pickett wrote: > Burgundy Lattice: > https://plus.google.com/115624021374660826601/posts/RdXfcc9B1Q5 > > Concentric Gold Crush: > https://plus.google.com/115624021374660826601/posts/f5EG2GLAMuo These are quite beautiful. If I believed in wall art, this would be toward the top of my list of purchases... c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] WRITERSBLOK Kraft Notes Pads
A pleasant surprise: the WRITERSBLOK Kraft Notes pads have super thin, very nice Kraft paper pages. The paper is quite reminiscent of the ultra-thin Kraft paper Nicolas Terry sells at Origami Shop. The one I have is 4" wide...and there is at least one larger size, though I'm not sure of the dimensions. c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] The Twisted Tale of Origami v. Sarah Morris
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:30 PM, wrote: > > Scott Cramer wrote: > > "While the article has some unnecessary snark, it's not unreasonable to > expect this column/section to take the stance it does...and reasonable > people can certainly disagree about the state of copyright, Fair Use, > and artistic appropriation/remix/etc/ without loving origami any less. Just to be clear, I (Chris Lott) said this. > > I agree that the article was a touch snarky and that Ms. Morris' position > was reasonable and her confusion is probably born of the fact that painters > play with each other's images all the time, but I must side more closely with > Lang. A crease pattern wether intentional or not, is essentail to the creation > of a model and it is possible if one enjoys puzzles (or has masochistic > tendencies) > to fold a model from a crease pattern. Tom Sullivan I'm guessing this is probably not a good forum for this to turn into a debate, so I'll just note without detail that I don't think Morris was confused at all... and I don't think the intentionality of the pattern or its essential-ness to the model from which it is derived is relevant. I can understand how you see things differently, though! c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] need help with noshi folding
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Diana Lee wrote: > I've figured out how to fold noshi A and noshi C but can't figure out an easy > and efficient way to fold noshi B. If you look at noshi B carefully, you > will notice that there are 5 pleats (odd number) and it is off-centered > (lacks symmetry?). So couldn't one just eyeball it? c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] The Twisted Tale of Origami v. Sarah Morris
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Scott Cramer wrote: > > http://j.mp/16nKOmk [...] > So, our tribe is "origami zealots" while theirs is "artists." While the article has some unnecessary snark, it's not unreasonable to expect this column/section to take the stance it does...and reasonable people can certainly disagree about the state of copyright, Fair Use, and artistic appropriation/remix/etc/ without loving origami any less. I didn't realize that Julie Ahrens had joined Morris's legal team---and I see no evidence that this was simply a pursuit of money (though I have wondered if the same people, most of whom are on this list) would have pursued the case if there had been no significant money changing hands---but I agree with Ahrens and Morris more than I do Lang, et al. And it really has very little to do with my feelings about origami specifically and certainly not any ill-will toward anyone involved in the suit. c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] cutters accurate for origami squares?
I am curious what the most accurate cutter(s) might be for cutting squares. It doesn't need to cut many sheets at once---I typically only cut 1-5 sheets at a time with the heaviest paper being Canson mi Tientes or similar. Accuracy is the key. My Fiskars LED rotary just isn't accurate enough, as one might expect for $60. I know that the most accurate is probably cutting with a blade and a straight-edge...but I will be making use of this for bookbinding and other things where the perfection isn't as important and the repetitive nature means a cutter would be very welcome anyway. Suggestions? Ideally this would be something with an accurate (enough) ruler built-in...the accuracy of the overall size of the square isn't nearly as important...I don't care if it turns out a bit more or less. I would like to be able to cut at least a 12" square... c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] Looking for particular owl money fold
I'm looking for diagrams for this particular money folded owl: http://www.papercraftcentral.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Animal-Dollar-Bill-Origami-Owl-291x300.jpg Does anyone here happen to know of it? c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] Fwd: Italian letter-folds
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Saadya wrote: > I have a slightly different fold sequence interpretation than yours, here: > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16726942/DomenicoGiuliani-Reconstruction.jpg Thanks for this. I look forward to posting a letter using this fold. I feel like I've seen this very fold diagrammed somewhere before, but I can't recall or find it... c
Re: [Origami] Back cover of origami books
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Claire Landre wrote: > However a > detailed contents and above all a proper index is a must for any > self-respecting quality book. :-) Absolutely. And a visual Table of Contents is very, very welcome! I also like how Roman Diaz (for example) puts not only an estimate of difficulty, but what kind of paper might work well for a model. c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] Interesting flat folds
I'm going to be sending origami pieces along with a BUNCH of letters. I'm looking for the best models that can be mailed flat. Obviously there are many traditional folds, but what else might you suggest? Incidentally, I'm not looking for modulars---I have a lot of them in the form of wrings and wreaths---though 1-2 pieces stars or the like are welcome... Thanks in advance for any suggestions! c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Back cover of origami books
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Gerardo @neorigami.com wrote: > what do you expect from a back cover in an origami > book? A couple of gorgeous models folded from the diagrams. A snippet of a diagram if the diagrams are produced in a way that is notable. Or maybe a series of selected step-folds that lead to a beautiful finished model... c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Valerie Vann?
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Joseph Wu wrote: > On 2013-05-08, at 21:12, Chris Lott wrote: > >> Is Valerie Vann still active in origami? >[...] > > Valerie left the origami community because of the lack of respect > shown to her over the instructions for her magic rose cube. > Unauthorized diagrams were made and distributed. Which, presumably, means the various videos and the like are illegitimate. That's sad. I can both understand and not understand how someone leaves an art like that. I found a DVD of Vann's models sold by Origamido, which must be legit... c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] list archives?
I was just wondering if there might be news about the list archives coming back online (or maybe I have the wrong link(s))? Anything I/we can do to help? c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] Valerie Vann?
Is Valerie Vann still active in origami? Her Magic Rose Box is everywhere and I've seen some cool business card and modular designs, but she doesn't seem to have a web presence of her own nor do I see her name mentioned much... c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Fwd: coloring/tinting tracing paper
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 4:40 PM, wrote: > > On major wrinkles when adding paper – A “glue stick” which adds virtually no > thickness > has worked very well for me. Avery brand is my preference. Can you elaborate on what you mean? How do you use the glue stick? Thanks! c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] coloring/tinting tracing paper
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Joseph Wu wrote: > On 2013-05-01, at 20:41, Chris Lott wrote: > >> Any suggestions on how to color tracing paper? > > Do you tape it down to a flat surface before you start applying liquid? I've been doing so with masking tape. Maybe I need to use something stronger and secure the paper more tautly. It's not like need the edges... c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] coloring/tinting tracing paper
Any suggestions on how to color tracing paper? I'm not looking to thicken it by adding another paper to it (and I've not had much luck avoiding major wrinkles when trying to do so), but coloring the paper itself I read on a blog a technique for coloring onion skin paper using oil pastels and a cotton swab with turpentine or other thinner, which I may try, but given he tracing paper's propensity to wrinkle, I have my doubts about it working. c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] RIP Russell Sutherland. Folder, Artist, Friend
On Thursday, April 25, 2013, Rob Hudson wrote: > > I'll miss you, Russ - wish I'd picked up the phone more and pissed and > moaned less. > A moving tribute. I'm sorry for your loss. He was so talented. I didn't know him, but browsing after your message I recognized his work instantly. The copper faces and the female forms and some others stuck with me. c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Elephant Hide paper at Talas
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Malachi Brown wrote: > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Janet Hamilton wrote: >> >> >> The Origami Source also has Elephant Hide in A4 size and large sheets. >> >> http://origamiusa.org/catalog/product-search?keys=Hide > > While this is true, there are two major differences in the paper being > offered by Talas. > > 1. It comes in some of the colors that are no longer generally available > (Crimson, Dark Green, Mauve) that The Source does not carry > > 2. The sheets are twice as large as the ones The Source has. 27 1/5" x 39 > 3/8" (roughly B1) vs 19.5” x 27.5” (roughly B2) I have read in a couple of different places that some of these colors are also no longer being manufactured. But it all seems to be rumor. Does anyone know any more about the state of the production of Elephant Hide? Or are these rumors particular to the Zanders Mill product called EH? c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] Elephant Hide paper at Talas
Someone on a Book Art list posted this link to Talas selling Elephant Hide paper: http://apps.webcreate.com/ecom/catalog/product_specific.cfm?ClientID=15&ProductID=83218 c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] History of the idea of "purist" origami
[I posted this to Nick Robinson's _Origami Didactics_ forum - http://www.nickrobinson.info/clients/didactics/index.php in case anyone is interested in sharing there!] I'm searching for references to the idea of "purist" principles of origami. In which publications have such ideas been referenced or proposed? Where are significant discussions (not---just---heated debate) about the idea? Other than some articles by David Lister on the BOS site...in "To Glue or Not to Glue" -- http://www.britishorigami.info/academic/lister/glue.php -- Lister cites Robert Harbin's _Paper Magic_ as the earliest source for a few principles. I'm just beginning my search in earnest about this topic...so any pointers are very welcome!
Re: [Origami] Our CPs haz been analyzed
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Robert J. Lang wrote: > > Spoiler alert: our CPs are not statistically the same as crumpling. A generalization not applicable to *my* crease patterns :) c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] Help with a daffodil fold
I was wondering if anyone might be able to help with step 4 of the daffodil diagram linked from this page: http://www.fishgoth.com/origami/old_diagrams.html I have four flaps, but maybe I've got something else wrong because they aren't configured in a way that they can be separated to make four rabbit-ear folds... Any help appreciated!! c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Legally protecting useful models?
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Rob Hudson wrote: > > Then if your design is used to produce "useful articles," you can appeal to > the community and make the purloining company look bad. The precedent (actually the lack of it) makes things amazingly *un*clear, regardless of how clear the language itself seems to be. So far, practically, it seems to be a gray area that has precedents whose various parallels strongly imply opposite outcomes. But whether we agree or not is kind of irrelevant :) Your advice makes plenty of sense. My point is primarily that Copyright protection exists without the filing and that, in the case of the kinds of $$ that would *likely* be involved if something like this were to reach litigation without a settlement, the registration issue is basically a moot point both in terms of the added capacity for liability recovery and the cost it would take to establish a precedent where currently nothing clear exists. Of course, there are always the parallel cases that are are in part outliers and in part cases that could provide more fodder for later decisions, such as Robert Lang / Sarah Morris... c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Legally protecting useful models?
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Malachi Brown wrote: > http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl103.html > > Intellectual property law exists to protect commercial interests. Anything > people tell you on this list is not legal advice and should not be taken as > such. It seems unlikely Gerardo was expecting legal advice here. That said, there is a wealth of copyright knowledge on this list that is useful when someone wants general information. Some of us deal with copyright on a regular basis. c
Re: [Origami] Legally protecting useful models?
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Gerardo @neorigami.com wrote: > > So after this long cathartic "rant" I REALLY need to ask you, does anyone > know if I have a third option? What can you do if you wish to legally > protect your useful origami model but aren't particularly planning to make > money out of it? > > I'll be crossing my fingers cause I really hope I get a positive answer... > as always, thank you in advance! Copyright certainly can/does apply to useful designs. There is some legal precedent here. You don't need to file with the Copyright Office to secure those rights. Those automatic rights include protection requiring those who would sell your model (in complete or diagrammed form) or use it in any way beyond what is covered by fair use provisions to get permission from you. None of this means people will necessarily follow the law...but then filing with the copyright office won't change that either. c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] german translation (or visual help) needed
I've posted a flickr of a step of a diagram by Carmen Spring for "Franzisca's Star": http://www.flickr.com/photos/fncll/8567603396/ The Google Translate version isn't helping me...my question is: what is the landmark for the mountain folds shown? Any help appreciated... c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] Free Books - pay it forward
I've ended up with a couple of extra books that I want to give away. I offer each completely free of charge to the first two people who want them and are willing to pay it forward (PIF) by passing on a book or something themselves. Your PIF is on the honor system :) 1. _Outside the Box Origami_ by Scott Wasserman Stern (review: http://clinki.es/go/R5) 2. _Origami Card Craft_ by Karen Thomas (Amazon info: http://clinki.es/go/R6) Thanks! c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Fold and unfold arrow?
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Gerardo @neorigami.com wrote: > I had asked: "Does it make a difference in what side do I place the head > and tail of that arrow regarding the folding line?" > > Anna answered, "The arrow should start and end on the part that actually > has to be folded over". > [...] > > Who seconds Anna's motion? ; ) I do...putting the arrows opposite doesn't make much sense to me at all! c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Hand Fabricated Origami Paper
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM, wrote: > Recently I put to paper step by step instructions with full color photos > and it is available in book form at > http://www.lulu.com/shop/k-dianne-stephens/hand-fabricated-origami-paper/paperback/product-20743144.html Do you control which preview pages are available? If so, I'd suggest putting a couple of content pages in the preview showing images, formatting of instructions, etc... the contents and the topic are certainly interesting. c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] Origami for geeks and coders
In _Wired_, why coders should try origami (and quilting, bookbinding, etc.) http://www.wired.com/business/2013/03/heroku-waza/ c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] Sharing diagram source files
I'm just getting started with some diagramming and have found a few useful tutorials (and a nice Inkscape symbol set). But I was thinking that it would be a really useful learning experience to be able to poke around with some existing diagram source files...just to see how they are put together and potentially to avoid reinventing the wheel with common elements. I'm using Inkscape (and occasionally Illustrator-- I can't decide which makes more sense for me), but I imagine such a thing might be useful to other beginners--and even the experts might learn a trick or two--using other programs. Anyone interested in sharing such things? c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] A picture of David Lister?
I was wondering if anyone had a picture of David Lister that they would allow me to put up on my blog to go with a post of appreciation for him? If so, please let me know... I am deeply saddened by the passing of such a gracious man with a great knowledge of origami history and so much generosity. I never had the good fortune to meet him, but I did correspond with him occasionally and he always took the time to share. A sad day. c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] 5-Dollar Lincoln Ring
Somewhere in the past I saw a 5-dollar ring that showed Lincoln's face on top. I'm looking for diagrams or instructional video to make such a thing. Does anyone know where I might find them? c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Excellent origami $ sighting in US remake of "House of Cards"
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 12:35 PM, EnWhySee wrote: > In the sixth episode of the first season of Netflix Original's remake of the > UK's "House of Cards," > FU's wife hands a homeless person in Washington, D.C. a $20 bill. In a later > scene he throws it > back to her, folded into an elaborate swan. Does anyone know what the model is and where diagrams might be found (if they exist)? c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] origami lamp diagrams
Does anyone know if there are diagrams for this--or very similar to this--lamp? http://www.etsy.com/listing/115509205/large-faceted-pendant-light-white-folded c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Is scoring paper cheating
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 6:09 AM, Joan Homewood wrote: > I do not understand why scoring seems to be a problem. Surely when you fold > paper the fibres are disturbed in a similar way to scoring > The process has to have something to do with it though...at the extreme end would be having a folding machine that could fold a piece of origami. Though it was doing the same thing to the paper and fibers, I think most would consider that cheating. So there's a spectrum. I think scoring is far on the "non-cheating" end, but it can't only be about the effects on the paper (or so it seems to me if there's any question at all :) c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Kusudama Flower Ball - Traditional Model?
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 7:42 AM, boon wrote: > > Winnie , ermmm ... where I come from, needle and thread is equally bad! > BTW, are u also saying this is a traditional design? I was under the impression that most traditional kusudama used needle and thread or paste of some kind? c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] 300 Origami models
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Eric Gjerde wrote: > > > That's the really fascinating thing - *ONLY* dedicated superfans are willing > to spend the time accumulating an exhaustive and complete collection of > arcane materials. Actually, there's a third set: the pirate collectors who have no interest in origami per se, but in collecting as many ebooks as they can with little or no intent of using them. I suspect this is not an insignificant number. But otherwise I agree: this follows the model of many other examples of intellectual property appropriation...it's the music enthusiasts the rip, upload, and download music, etc. c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] 300 Origami models
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013, BK Webb wrote: > > And let's be honest here, these "pirates" are origamists too. > > Whatever one wants to call them--and as vehemently opposed to current copyright law as I am--these folks are ultimately still stealing something by definition. That said, I would be interested to know how many of the models are out of print (or traditional), but have neither time nor resources to search out presumably often uncredited models. Given the number of complete pirated origami books floating around, this collection is small potatoes. What annoys me most isn't the piracy in and of itself, but the making of profit on the pirated goods. Some people may not agree with the distinction, but I do. c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Origami-collection of 300 models
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Claire Landre wrote: > > It seems to correspond to a 990 page .pdf document gathering 285 models > (about 22 Mo) that was available for free access around the beginning of > this century on e-mule or e-donkey. I suspected similar...I have seen several such collections floating around. It would just be nice to have a specific to report! c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Origami-collection of 300 models
re: Origami - Collection of 300 models + FREE Convert to KINDLE, NOOK Software CD<https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Origami+-+Collection+of+300+models+%2B+FREE+Convert+to+KINDLE,+NOOK+Software+CD&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8> Without procuring the collection, it's impossible to know if there is copyright infringement or not. It sure *smells* fishy...but that means little. Has anyone obtained this item? Because then, if it is piracy, it can be reported specifically and taken down. c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Is scoring paper cheating?
The discussion of "cheating" reminds me of similar discussions about poetry and forms. Is it cheating to write a sonnet that doesn't adhere to the traditional form? Some say yes and are devoted to those forms; others are interested in expanding the form, toying with and teasing it, and creating new things that the traditionalists might not even recognize as being a sonnet at all. The interesting question is how far one can go before starting to think that they are engaged in a different art form...after all, at some point one could decide that expanding origami form could include making cuts (and I suppose some do already). What are the base requirements to call something origami? Or a sonnet? I go back and forth (I can contain multitudes too): sometimes I feel like devoting my time to being a traditionalist...other times I feel like playing and making in a different way. I don't consider either to be an insult to anyone or the art itself. It's all good. c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] I must be slow!
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Douglas Zander wrote: > >> The real question is: are you enjoying it? ;-) > > I'm glad you asked this question. My answer is, No, not entirely. > I like the fact that I have the finished product to show off and > give away and be able to say that it was *I* that folded it, > but the actual folding process is long, boring, and tedious! Interesting. I probably wouldn't fold at all if I didn't enjoy the process...with the caveat that, like all art, there are certainly times of frustration and tedium, but they take up a very small part of the time. So, because I enjoy it, I don't find the time wasted at all. With larger modulars I end up listening to podcasts or watching movies, etc, while making the individual modules (once I get them under my fingers). c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] "good" kami
Can anyone share with me a reliable brand of "good" (aka crisp, not floppy, and holds a good crease) kami--you know, the traditional color on one side, white on the other? I have to assume they are not all made equal. I have to mail-order all of my paper and the kami I have is just too soft and the creases don't stay put. At all. c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] bird model identification
Does anyone know who designed this book and, if so, where models might appear? http://www.flickr.com/photos/fncll/8291570876/in/photostream Thanks! c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] strengthening/stiffening origami bowls and boxes
I've made some nice origami bowls and boxes using relatively thick, textured scrapbook style paper. I plan to use them as part of gifts and would like to make them more "permanent." What method(s) might work for this? c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] origami inspired weight loss surgery
hmmm...maybe I could get my stomach folded into an elegant piece :) http://clinki.es/go/Pz c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Who set all these origami definitions and conditions?
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 11:23 AM, wrote: > > At any rate I think the discussion Rob was participating in > was on the topic of "elegance." My opinion is that the concept > is subjective: to paraphrase from another expression, "Elegance > is in the eye of the beholder." Not to beat a dead horse, since most people seem content with discussing this in the abstract, but this is basically why I was (and am!) interested in specific examples of models that represent peoples' own "eye." I know it's subjective. I hoped that would be part of the fun! c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] "Elegant" Origami / bird from a triangle
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Leyla Torres wrote: > I would like to share my latest blog post and video, featuring a bird > designed by Ildikó Vass (hungary) Thank you. This is a very simple but (I agree) elegant little fold that I will definitely use for some cards and other display... c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Elegance, Process, Appearance, Craft, Art
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Carol Martinson wrote: > The new war in origami seems to be whether elegance refers to a process or a > final appearance. For the record, since I started this, I wasn't looking for a war. I was (and am) sincerely curious at what models people find elegant (significantly more so than the debate over what elegance means) since I think those examples are a better definition of one's personal thoughts than any abstract prose. The traditional sampan model is elegant, I think, because of the reversal of the model (so, process). Similarly with Yoshizawa's butterfly. Philip Shen's incense burner is elegant in a different way, one that can be apprehended without knowing the sequence. Phil Jackson's abstracts are often elegant. On the other hand, I LOVE LOVE LOVE Joisel's work, but for the most part I don't consider it elegant, though I consider it amazing and far from being a technical production. c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Who set all these origami definitions and conditions?
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Jorge E. Jaramillo wrote: > Lately there's been discussion of some conditions to consider or not > consider a model this or that. So I ask who set all these definitions? I set these definitions up in my head for myself. The most recent thread was of my creation and there was a reason I asked for examples in addition to discussion: it's my experience that in only the abstract, people become prone to pronouncements that sound like they are trying to impose them even when, as in this case, I don't think they are. I'd rather examples make the case :) c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Simple, but Elegant, Models
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 5:38 AM, Dave Mitchell wrote: > > Outside origami 'elegant' is often used to mean 'clean' ... as in 'a chair > has clean lines'. It doesn't matter how the chair was made. You are > describing a quality of the finished result. > We're saying the same thing about definitions of elegance. The difference is that I am interested in elegance of both kinds and, unlike you, believe that both kinds of elegance are productively applied to origami. I don't see elegance necessarily tied to the process as you posit in mathematics any more than I see elegance tied to the process of painting. Because of that, I don't have a problem with the proposition of an inelegant fold leading to an inelegant model (in the sense of the word as a reference to the finished work of art, not the plan that led to it). c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Simple, but Elegant, Models
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 6:39 AM, Chris Lott wrote: > On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 5:38 AM, Dave Mitchell > wrote: >> >> Outside origami 'elegant' is often used to mean 'clean' ... as in 'a chair I meant to add one other consideration: if only one sense of the term "elegance" is allowed, then anyone who doesn't know the folding sequence couldn't consider a finished model elegant. That is, to me, non-sensical and why both senses of the term are important. I see pieces of origami that are not just "clean," but are elegant (which is more than merely having clean lines), and I have no real idea how they were folded. c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] Origami Burrito
More food origami: http://foodbeast.com/content/2012/10/30/how-to-make-eat-an-origami-burrito/ c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Simple, but Elegant, Models
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Gareth Chen wrote: > > I would say that simplicity does not necessarily lead to elegance (a > lot of beginner models look a bit strange to me), True. > and that complicated > models can have elegant folding sequences as well. Absolutely... I just happen to be interested in simpler models :) In part because I am always looking for good models for teaching and talking about the concept of elegance. c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Simple, but Elegant, Models
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Dave Mitchell wrote: > > This is, of course, the reason why you can't judge the elegance of a design > without folding it yourself. I don't see why this is true...we can judge the elegance of a chair or a car or whatever without making it. Why not a piece of origami art? "Design" has (at least) two senses... I'm talking in the sense that "the design of that car is elegant" as differing from "the design (as in the blueprints/plans) are elegant." Some design, at least in other fields, has a seamy underbelly :) c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Simple, but Elegant, Models
Thanks for the suggestions of "simple, elegant" models. As I ruminate on the question I am wondering too: does an elegant folding sequence necessarily lead to an elegant model? Can the two be decoupled in both "directions?" I definitely see many models that are elegant but difficult (or impossible for me) to fold. But I can't think of examples of the reverse... c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] Simple, but Elegant, Models
I'd like to embark on folding--and writing a bit about--simple, elegant models. What models are your favorite simple, elegant models? I know this is absolutely subjective and the only "rule" is, I think, that there are no rules. I'm just curious to see what would fulfill that definition for you. An example of very simple, elegant models for me are Yoshizawa's butterfly and Shen's incense burner. But my definition of simple is *really* simple. Yours may not be. That's part of the fun! c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] baby (shower/party) origami
Greetings! I am in search of some models to fold for a baby shower/party. Are there folds that are traditionally intended for such occasions? Any suggestions for models is greatly appreciated. c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Book lists/databases
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Faye Goldman wrote: > > I forgot to say that I also want a way of importing a batch, rather than one > at a time. > Do you know if LibraryThing has that? If so, it is probably a sale. Thanks > for the information. I don't know about batch import... I bought an inexpensive little barcode scanner and used that to scan in all my books. c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Book lists/databases
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Faye Goldman wrote: > Hi all, >I'd like to be able > to sync both ways between the Android and PC, but I suspect that I will have > to keep the master on the PC and download periodically. I have over 800 > books and I'm tired of buying duplicates because I can't remember whether I > already own the book! LibraryThing has an Android app... in my experience (and I have tried many of the book database sites), LibraryThing is hands-down the best book cataloging/database site. c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Patritia Craford.
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 4:18 PM, smma.dataone.in wrote: > > As a firm follower of her models, can some one tell me about her? If you haven't seen this blog piece about Patricia Crawford, it might be interesting: http://clinki.es/go/O- c -- Chris Lott
[Origami] Vancouver, BC activities this week (and origami-related places)?
I'll be in Vancouver all this coming week. Suggestions for any origami events that might happen to be going on (I'm missing the meeting of the one club I found so far by a week)? Places for paper and/or books (other than Paper Ya, which is always a destination)? Any exhibits in the area? Any information is appreciated. c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Beginner's FAQ-like thing
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 3:46 AM, Hans Dybkjær wrote: > > These are both something folders need to learn. Though usually I have the > opposite problem of (1), i.e. beginners make too soft creases and fold too > casually, too eagerly, faster than they can manage. I might have experienced the opposite more because I passed around a bunch of bone folders and other DIY bone folding tools to them! I will not do that again. > The case of too sharp creases are more common with more advanced models like > masks, though I often tell people folding a traditional jumping frog that > they should not make the springy folds of the jumping back legs too sharp. > You might call this "fold control" or "don't overdo the folds", or "do not > commit a fold until needed". I like "fold control." I used the traditional frog to illustrate the same point. > I also agree about (2) which is prominent in the traditional crane. Here I > often explicity tell students to leave up to a millimeter in the tail and > neck thinning (but still to the point) so that the reverse folds come out > easily and nicely. > I see this as a different problem, namely that of "anticipating the folding > sequence" and/or "compensating for the thickness of paper" (which is a > general issue). I was, in fact, referring to the traditional crane as you might have guessed. I agree on both of these points. At the same time, my experience was that it also took a long time to realize that folds--many of them--don't need to be made with machine-like precision. It can not only cause practical problems with the later folds, as with the crane, but it takes the enjoyment out of the process for those who are nervous because they know that can't be perfect! Dealing with creep due to the thickness of paper is clearly another topic beginners need to have some sense of. I have some experience with this from other aspects too, such as book binding where it is a big issue. > "Anticipation" maybe the more generic term. Understanding what role a fold > will have later in the folding sequence and in the final model. > Another example, again from the masu box, is the initial book folds: > > a) Realise that you only need 1/4 of the fold in each side, so that the box > ends up with a clean bottom (or lid). > > b) Realise that when you assemble the box, these book folds end up as > mountain folds, so you should turn over the paper before you do them. This > will also make the assembly easier. A represents, to me, another fundamental lesson that in perl progamming is referred to with the shorthand: TIMTOWTDI ... there's more than one way to do it. It's easy to become overwhelmed with the complexity and forget that there are refinements even with "simple" models. Getting a clean bottom on a masu box is a great example where one can see very simply how the diagram might be the best attempt at making things easy, but a small tweak improves things quite a bit. > And back to your original question, yes, a "folding school" vocabulary with > illustrated exercises would be nice. Also difficult as you would have to > decide on the folding level and prioritize what order to tell this. > I do believe that if you look around, much of it does exist in different > places. In my own beginner's book I've tried to include "technique boxes" in > appropriate places along with the models, starting with the elementary "how > to make a diagonal fold". And, by the way, instructing people in doing > careful, sharp creases (as I said above, in my experience beginners, at > least in Denmark, have more problems failing to make sharp creases than the > opposite). Which book are you referring to? Is there an English language version? This might be a good topic for Nick Robinson's Origami Didactics forum. I'm actually thinking in the context of potentially developing an origami-oriented open education "course" ... I don't have the skills to get too advanced with it, but something for beginners that delved a little into origami history and simple folds, with techniques like these folded into the creation of simple models. I could go on and get really boring about the pedagogy, since that's my job :), but the basic motivation for me is: I like exploring the space of open teaching and learning and I love origami and other paper arts, so why not work on both at the same time? And there are so many great resources that can be brought in from around the web, but not many in a sequence similar to that of a course... Cheers! c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] Beginner's FAQ-like thing
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Anna wrote: > Chris Lott wrote: >> I'm thinking not just the most basic questions, but also those kinds of >> things that come up when, >> for instance, teaching beginners like "over folding" and the like. > > What is "over folding"? I consider myself an advanced folder, but > haven't heard this term before. Does it have to do with hurting > fingers and burning eyes because you fold for too long? That would also be a good definition, though that can be treated with a few cold beverages :) I don't know what over folding might be called, but I noticed the last few times I've taught people that they tend to: 1) want to crease way, way too hard and 2) when folding, say, edges to a center crease they try for perfection and end up with a fold that is "too tight" or even a little overlapped, which comes back to haunt them when they are doing a reverse fold later, etc. In my admittedly limited experience, I find it's better to purposefully be a little imperfect and err on the side of a small gap and carefully making a good "point" than over folding... I've been calling this "over folding," but it's just my term, nothing I remember reading before... c -- Chris Lott
Re: [Origami] File downloads update in The Origami Source
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Sy Chen wrote: > > If you consider hourly rate and labor of efforts seriously, most of > the prices are low and unjustified (IMHO). The profit can only > compensate part of the labor and time for most of the cases. Well, that's generally the way the selling of artistic products works: pricing isn't about the recovery of time and labor. At least not in practical terms for most artists. Generally artists are relying on multiple sales or that the sales are in investment in growing an audience for future sales, or they understand that there is no guarantee that even the most passionate artist can make a living--or even a profit--from their work. The musical score analogy is interesting, but that's already the way it *could* work (and sometimes does): using a diagram one has purchased to make money could, as many advocate here, be subject to payment for those "performance" rights as one does with musical scores. That is: if one accepts that premise. Maybe origami is more akin to recipes, though. It would be interesting if the source started selling completed models! c -- Chris Lott
