Re: Performance for static files
Looks to me like if Orionserver tries to do HTTP/1.1 Keep-Alive without setting the Content-length accordingly. Can anybody confirm? Dale Bronk wrote: Right now until I am proved otherwise, I disagree. I posted a message a day or so ago and have no reply yet. Now I do believe that it is probably some setting I have (although I am using the default settings from Orion), but my web pages are not served very fast at all. I am on a PIII 256M using Windows Server 2000 and tested the same static pages with Apache and IIS and they really popup quickly. With Orion, the pages seem to completely display but the browser keeps going for up to 10-15 seconds before it stops. I am not saying I disagree with the benchmarks, what I am saying is I agree with them with the correct set of configurations as I have used the same static pages on the same machine with Apache, IIS, and Orion. I did not use any benchmarking tools other than my eye but it was very obvious (clearing browser cache between each request) that as soon as the pages "appeared" to be fully display (very small graphics, if any) using Apache and IIS, the browser (both IE and NS) stopped. With Orion, the browsers just kept going (not sure doing what) for another 10-15 seconds. Like I said, I am sure it is some configuration but I wish someone would tell me what the setting is. I also tried browsing from several different machines to make sure that it was not simply my browser. Dale - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 3:51 AM Subject: SV: Performance for static files Look at the benchmark page... Against Apache and IIS its got no problems at all beating them into the bushes. The url is enclosed, have fun... Klaus Myrseth -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Christof Baumgaertner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 7. september 2000 08:40 Til: Orion-Interest Emne: Performance for static files We have a webbased client/server application which in addition to its dynamic elements has to serve a huge amount of small files (HTML, GIF, JS). I understand that Orionserver's performance for J2EE based applications is pretty good. How about serving static files from the file system? Can it compete with high performance servers like AOL Server, Stronghold Apache or others in this area? Thanks, Christof begin:vcard n:Baumgärtner;Christof tel;pager:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;cell:+49 171 8169911 tel;fax:+49 89 6797 tel;work:+49 89 6797 2220 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:www.websentric.com org:WebSentric AG adr:;;Raiffeisenallee 5;Oberhaching;;82041;Germany version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Vice President CTO x-mozilla-cpt:;-4208 fn:Christof Baumgärtner end:vcard
Re: Performance for static files
just did a test and it seemed to make a big difference. In IE advanced options I had Use HTTP1.1 turned off. I turned it back on and it made a big difference. As a matter of fact, I don't see the problem anymore as of yet. (after clearing cache). Dale - Original Message - From: Christof Baumgaertner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 3:00 AM Subject: Re: Performance for static files Looks to me like if Orionserver tries to do HTTP/1.1 Keep-Alive without setting the Content-length accordingly. Can anybody confirm? Dale Bronk wrote: Right now until I am proved otherwise, I disagree. I posted a message a day or so ago and have no reply yet. Now I do believe that it is probably some setting I have (although I am using the default settings from Orion), but my web pages are not served very fast at all. I am on a PIII 256M using Windows Server 2000 and tested the same static pages with Apache and IIS and they really popup quickly. With Orion, the pages seem to completely display but the browser keeps going for up to 10-15 seconds before it stops. I am not saying I disagree with the benchmarks, what I am saying is I agree with them with the correct set of configurations as I have used the same static pages on the same machine with Apache, IIS, and Orion. I did not use any benchmarking tools other than my eye but it was very obvious (clearing browser cache between each request) that as soon as the pages "appeared" to be fully display (very small graphics, if any) using Apache and IIS, the browser (both IE and NS) stopped. With Orion, the browsers just kept going (not sure doing what) for another 10-15 seconds. Like I said, I am sure it is some configuration but I wish someone would tell me what the setting is. I also tried browsing from several different machines to make sure that it was not simply my browser. Dale - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 3:51 AM Subject: SV: Performance for static files Look at the benchmark page... Against Apache and IIS its got no problems at all beating them into the bushes. The url is enclosed, have fun... Klaus Myrseth -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Christof Baumgaertner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 7. september 2000 08:40 Til: Orion-Interest Emne: Performance for static files We have a webbased client/server application which in addition to its dynamic elements has to serve a huge amount of small files (HTML, GIF, JS). I understand that Orionserver's performance for J2EE based applications is pretty good. How about serving static files from the file system? Can it compete with high performance servers like AOL Server, Stronghold Apache or others in this area? Thanks, Christof
Re: Performance for static files
At 08:47 08.09.00 , you wrote: just did a test and it seemed to make a big difference. In IE advanced options I had Use HTTP1.1 turned off. I turned it back on and it made a big difference. As a matter of fact, I don't see the problem anymore as of yet. (after clearing cache). Dale then please post it in bugzilla and have them decide if it's a bug in their http1.1 implementation. I think there's enough information in this thread for them. Robert (-) Robert Krüger (-) SIGNAL 7 Gesellschaft für Informationstechnologie mbH (-) Brüder-Knauß-Str. 79 - 64285 Darmstadt, (-) Tel: 06151 665401, Fax: 06151 665373 (-) [EMAIL PROTECTED], www.signal7.de
Re: Performance for static files
Dale Bronk wrote: That may be true as I was including the time to server the file all the way to the point of the "little e" stopped spinning. Have you had the following problems with framesets... In Apache/IIS with JRun 2.3.3 the frameset and each individual jsp/html files popup quickly. In Orion, one frame will be visible and then do the wait for 10-15 seconds, then the next frame and wait, then the next. It doesn't seem to matter if I use only static html or jsp... The "problem" exists on both. Dale I noticed in changes.txt there is a new option to turn off keep-alives. You might try your test again with keep-alives turned off in Orion. I'd be interested to know the results. -- Joel Shellman Chief Software Architect The virally-driven B2B marketplace for outsourcing projects http://www.ants.com/90589781
Performance for static files
We have a webbased client/server application which in addition to its dynamic elements has to serve a huge amount of small files (HTML, GIF, JS). I understand that Orionserver's performance for J2EE based applications is pretty good. How about serving static files from the file system? Can it compete with high performance servers like AOL Server, Stronghold Apache or others in this area? Thanks, Christof
SV: Performance for static files
Look at the benchmark page... Against Apache and IIS its got no problems at all beating them into the bushes. The url is enclosed, have fun... Klaus Myrseth -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Christof Baumgaertner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 7. september 2000 08:40 Til: Orion-Interest Emne: Performance for static files We have a webbased client/server application which in addition to its dynamic elements has to serve a huge amount of small files (HTML, GIF, JS). I understand that Orionserver's performance for J2EE based applications is pretty good. How about serving static files from the file system? Can it compete with high performance servers like AOL Server, Stronghold Apache or others in this area? Thanks, Christof Benchmark.url
Re: SV: Performance for static files
This benchmarks do not show the numbers for static files which are read directly from the file system. I would like to see a comparison between a standard webserver (without any dynamic server technology like ASP, JSP, Servlets) serving static files and Orion. Are there any realworld numbers around? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at the benchmark page... Against Apache and IIS its got no problems at all beating them into the bushes. The url is enclosed, have fun... Klaus Myrseth -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Christof Baumgaertner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 7. september 2000 08:40 Til: Orion-Interest Emne: Performance for static files We have a webbased client/server application which in addition to its dynamic elements has to serve a huge amount of small files (HTML, GIF, JS). I understand that Orionserver's performance for J2EE based applications is pretty good. How about serving static files from the file system? Can it compete with high performance servers like AOL Server, Stronghold Apache or others in this area? Thanks, Christof Benchmark.urlName: Benchmark.url Type: Internet Shortcut (application/x-unknown-content-type-InternetShortcut) begin:vcard n:Baumgärtner;Christof tel;pager:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;cell:+49 171 8169911 tel;fax:+49 89 6797 tel;work:+49 89 6797 2220 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:www.websentric.com org:WebSentric AG adr:;;Raiffeisenallee 5;Oberhaching;;82041;Germany version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Vice President CTO x-mozilla-cpt:;-4208 fn:Christof Baumgärtner end:vcard
SV: SV: Performance for static files
Look at the bottom of the page, thee is a link called old benchmark :) It compares Apache, IIS and Orion... Klaus Myrseth -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Christof Baumgaertner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 7. september 2000 11:46 Til: Orion-Interest Emne: Re: SV: Performance for static files This benchmarks do not show the numbers for static files which are read directly from the file system. I would like to see a comparison between a standard webserver (without any dynamic server technology like ASP, JSP, Servlets) serving static files and Orion. Are there any realworld numbers around? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at the benchmark page... Against Apache and IIS its got no problems at all beating them into the bushes. The url is enclosed, have fun... Klaus Myrseth -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Christof Baumgaertner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 7. september 2000 08:40 Til: Orion-Interest Emne: Performance for static files We have a webbased client/server application which in addition to its dynamic elements has to serve a huge amount of small files (HTML, GIF, JS). I understand that Orionserver's performance for J2EE based applications is pretty good. How about serving static files from the file system? Can it compete with high performance servers like AOL Server, Stronghold Apache or others in this area? Thanks, Christof Benchmark.urlName: Benchmark.url Type: Internet Shortcut (application/x-unknown-content-type-InternetShortcut)
RE: Performance for static files
Perhaps a lil' off track, I'd like to point out that: you may configure Apache/IIS, or Orion, to work with each other. If you feel more comfortable with Apache serving static HTML, GIF JPEG files, you can have it working; also it could be useful to serve script based pages, say PHP, running in-process with Apache (instead of running as CGI with Orion). My 2c, JP -Original Message- From: Dale Bronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 9:15 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Performance for static files Right now until I am proved otherwise, I disagree. I posted a message a day or so ago and have no reply yet. Now I do believe that it is probably some setting I have (although I am using the default settings from Orion), but my web pages are not served very fast at all. I am on a PIII 256M using Windows Server 2000 and tested the same static pages with Apache and IIS and they really popup quickly. With Orion, the pages seem to completely display but the browser keeps going for up to 10-15 seconds before it stops. I am not saying I disagree with the benchmarks, what I am saying is I agree with them with the correct set of configurations as I have used the same static pages on the same machine with Apache, IIS, and Orion. I did not use any benchmarking tools other than my eye but it was very obvious (clearing browser cache between each request) that as soon as the pages "appeared" to be fully display (very small graphics, if any) using Apache and IIS, the browser (both IE and NS) stopped. With Orion, the browsers just kept going (not sure doing what) for another 10-15 seconds. Like I said, I am sure it is some configuration but I wish someone would tell me what the setting is. I also tried browsing from several different machines to make sure that it was not simply my browser. Dale - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 3:51 AM Subject: SV: Performance for static files Look at the benchmark page... Against Apache and IIS its got no problems at all beating them into the bushes. The url is enclosed, have fun... Klaus Myrseth -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Christof Baumgaertner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 7. september 2000 08:40 Til: Orion-Interest Emne: Performance for static files We have a webbased client/server application which in addition to its dynamic elements has to serve a huge amount of small files (HTML, GIF, JS). I understand that Orionserver's performance for J2EE based applications is pretty good. How about serving static files from the file system? Can it compete with high performance servers like AOL Server, Stronghold Apache or others in this area? Thanks, Christof
RE: SV: Performance for static files
Maybe a still too early notice: in the new 2.4 Linux kernel they will serve static http request direct from the kernel. This could give interesting results wrt performance :-) On Thursday, September 07, 2000 11:46 AM, Christof Baumgaertner [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: This benchmarks do not show the numbers for static files which are read directly from the file system. I would like to see a comparison between a standard webserver (without any dynamic server technology like ASP, JSP, Servlets) serving static files and Orion. Are there any realworld numbers around? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at the benchmark page... Against Apache and IIS its got no problems at all beating them into the bushes. The url is enclosed, have fun... Klaus Myrseth -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Christof Baumgaertner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 7. september 2000 08:40 Til: Orion-Interest Emne: Performance for static files We have a webbased client/server application which in addition to its dynamic elements has to serve a huge amount of small files (HTML, GIF, JS). I understand that Orionserver's performance for J2EE based applications is pretty good. How about serving static files from the file system? Can it compete with high performance servers like AOL Server, Stronghold Apache or others in this area? Thanks, Christof Benchmark.urlName: Benchmark.url Type: Internet Shortcut (application/x-unknown-content-type-InternetShortcut) File: christof.vcf
RE: SV: Performance for static files
If we were serving up static pages, then we wouldn't need Orion... :) Frank Eggink [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/07/00 03:43 PM Please respond to Orion-Interest To:Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: SV: Performance for static files Maybe a still too early notice: in the new 2.4 Linux kernel they will serve static http request direct from the kernel. This could give interesting results wrt performance :-) On Thursday, September 07, 2000 11:46 AM, Christof Baumgaertner [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: This benchmarks do not show the numbers for static files which are read directly from the file system. I would like to see a comparison between a standard webserver (without any dynamic server technology like ASP, JSP, Servlets) serving static files and Orion. Are there any realworld numbers around? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at the benchmark page... Against Apache and IIS its got no problems at all beating them into the bushes. The url is enclosed, have fun... Klaus Myrseth -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Christof Baumgaertner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 7. september 2000 08:40 Til: Orion-Interest Emne: Performance for static files We have a webbased client/server application which in addition to its dynamic elements has to serve a huge amount of small files (HTML, GIF, JS). I understand that Orionserver's performance for J2EE based applications is pretty good. How about serving static files from the file system? Can it compete with high performance servers like AOL Server, Stronghold Apache or others in this area? Thanks, Christof Benchmark.urlName: Benchmark.url Type: Internet Shortcut (application/x-unknown-content-type-InternetShortcut) File: christof.vcf
Re: Performance for static files
That may be true as I was including the time to server the file all the way to the point of the "little e" stopped spinning. Have you had the following problems with framesets... In Apache/IIS with JRun 2.3.3 the frameset and each individual jsp/html files popup quickly. In Orion, one frame will be visible and then do the wait for 10-15 seconds, then the next frame and wait, then the next. It doesn't seem to matter if I use only static html or jsp... The "problem" exists on both. Dale - Original Message - From: "Kevin Duffey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 1:57 PM Subject: RE: Performance for static files Hi, Two things. One..your correct about the browser keeps on going. I have the same "problem" on my site. Its strange, but the little E keeps spinning on the browser for many seconds after the page is displayed, and I am not sure why. This might be a bug with Orion..maybe it's not closing a connection or something? On the other hand, I have seen much faster results with html AND jsp pages with Orion over IIS and Apache. -Original Message- From: Dale Bronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 5:15 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Performance for static files Right now until I am proved otherwise, I disagree. I posted a message a day or so ago and have no reply yet. Now I do believe that it is probably some setting I have (although I am using the default settings from Orion), but my web pages are not served very fast at all. I am on a PIII 256M using Windows Server 2000 and tested the same static pages with Apache and IIS and they really popup quickly. With Orion, the pages seem to completely display but the browser keeps going for up to 10-15 seconds before it stops. I am not saying I disagree with the benchmarks, what I am saying is I agree with them with the correct set of configurations as I have used the same static pages on the same machine with Apache, IIS, and Orion. I did not use any benchmarking tools other than my eye but it was very obvious (clearing browser cache between each request) that as soon as the pages "appeared" to be fully display (very small graphics, if any) using Apache and IIS, the browser (both IE and NS) stopped. With Orion, the browsers just kept going (not sure doing what) for another 10-15 seconds. Like I said, I am sure it is some configuration but I wish someone would tell me what the setting is. I also tried browsing from several different machines to make sure that it was not simply my browser. Dale - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 3:51 AM Subject: SV: Performance for static files Look at the benchmark page... Against Apache and IIS its got no problems at all beating them into the bushes. The url is enclosed, have fun... Klaus Myrseth -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Christof Baumgaertner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 7. september 2000 08:40 Til: Orion-Interest Emne: Performance for static files We have a webbased client/server application which in addition to its dynamic elements has to serve a huge amount of small files (HTML, GIF, JS). I understand that Orionserver's performance for J2EE based applications is pretty good. How about serving static files from the file system? Can it compete with high performance servers like AOL Server, Stronghold Apache or others in this area? Thanks, Christof
Re: Performance for static files
The problem is I am seeing the same thing on my JSP's. Especially on pages with framesets. In Apache/IIS with JRun 2.3.3 the frameset and each individual jsp/html files popup quickly. In Orion, one frame will be visible and then do the wait for 10-15 seconds, then the next frame and wait, then the next. - Original Message - From: "Juan Pablo Lorandi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 12:36 PM Subject: RE: Performance for static files Perhaps a lil' off track, I'd like to point out that: you may configure Apache/IIS, or Orion, to work with each other. If you feel more comfortable with Apache serving static HTML, GIF JPEG files, you can have it working; also it could be useful to serve script based pages, say PHP, running in-process with Apache (instead of running as CGI with Orion). My 2c, JP -Original Message- From: Dale Bronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 9:15 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Performance for static files Right now until I am proved otherwise, I disagree. I posted a message a day or so ago and have no reply yet. Now I do believe that it is probably some setting I have (although I am using the default settings from Orion), but my web pages are not served very fast at all. I am on a PIII 256M using Windows Server 2000 and tested the same static pages with Apache and IIS and they really popup quickly. With Orion, the pages seem to completely display but the browser keeps going for up to 10-15 seconds before it stops. I am not saying I disagree with the benchmarks, what I am saying is I agree with them with the correct set of configurations as I have used the same static pages on the same machine with Apache, IIS, and Orion. I did not use any benchmarking tools other than my eye but it was very obvious (clearing browser cache between each request) that as soon as the pages "appeared" to be fully display (very small graphics, if any) using Apache and IIS, the browser (both IE and NS) stopped. With Orion, the browsers just kept going (not sure doing what) for another 10-15 seconds. Like I said, I am sure it is some configuration but I wish someone would tell me what the setting is. I also tried browsing from several different machines to make sure that it was not simply my browser. Dale - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 3:51 AM Subject: SV: Performance for static files Look at the benchmark page... Against Apache and IIS its got no problems at all beating them into the bushes. The url is enclosed, have fun... Klaus Myrseth -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Christof Baumgaertner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 7. september 2000 08:40 Til: Orion-Interest Emne: Performance for static files We have a webbased client/server application which in addition to its dynamic elements has to serve a huge amount of small files (HTML, GIF, JS). I understand that Orionserver's performance for J2EE based applications is pretty good. How about serving static files from the file system? Can it compete with high performance servers like AOL Server, Stronghold Apache or others in this area? Thanks, Christof
RE: Performance for static files
I have experienced similar delays with framesets. On the intranet there was a small delay, but with an outside connection the delay was quite long. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dale Bronk Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 7:56 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Performance for static files That may be true as I was including the time to server the file all the way to the point of the "little e" stopped spinning. Have you had the following problems with framesets... In Apache/IIS with JRun 2.3.3 the frameset and each individual jsp/html files popup quickly. In Orion, one frame will be visible and then do the wait for 10-15 seconds, then the next frame and wait, then the next. It doesn't seem to matter if I use only static html or jsp... The "problem" exists on both. Dale - Original Message - From: "Kevin Duffey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 1:57 PM Subject: RE: Performance for static files Hi, Two things. One..your correct about the browser keeps on going. I have the same "problem" on my site. Its strange, but the little E keeps spinning on the browser for many seconds after the page is displayed, and I am not sure why. This might be a bug with Orion..maybe it's not closing a connection or something? On the other hand, I have seen much faster results with html AND jsp pages with Orion over IIS and Apache. -Original Message- From: Dale Bronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 5:15 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Performance for static files Right now until I am proved otherwise, I disagree. I posted a message a day or so ago and have no reply yet. Now I do believe that it is probably some setting I have (although I am using the default settings from Orion), but my web pages are not served very fast at all. I am on a PIII 256M using Windows Server 2000 and tested the same static pages with Apache and IIS and they really popup quickly. With Orion, the pages seem to completely display but the browser keeps going for up to 10-15 seconds before it stops. I am not saying I disagree with the benchmarks, what I am saying is I agree with them with the correct set of configurations as I have used the same static pages on the same machine with Apache, IIS, and Orion. I did not use any benchmarking tools other than my eye but it was very obvious (clearing browser cache between each request) that as soon as the pages "appeared" to be fully display (very small graphics, if any) using Apache and IIS, the browser (both IE and NS) stopped. With Orion, the browsers just kept going (not sure doing what) for another 10-15 seconds. Like I said, I am sure it is some configuration but I wish someone would tell me what the setting is. I also tried browsing from several different machines to make sure that it was not simply my browser. Dale - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 3:51 AM Subject: SV: Performance for static files Look at the benchmark page... Against Apache and IIS its got no problems at all beating them into the bushes. The url is enclosed, have fun... Klaus Myrseth -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Christof Baumgaertner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 7. september 2000 08:40 Til: Orion-Interest Emne: Performance for static files We have a webbased client/server application which in addition to its dynamic elements has to serve a huge amount of small files (HTML, GIF, JS). I understand that Orionserver's performance for J2EE based applications is pretty good. How about serving static files from the file system? Can it compete with high performance servers like AOL Server, Stronghold Apache or others in this area? Thanks, Christof
