Re: Technology euology
I think people who have WCF stuff they can't get rid of in a hurry who want to move away from full .net framework are maybe the intended audience On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 at 19:20, Greg Keogh wrote: > WCF Core... It lives on >> https://github.com/CoreWCF/CoreWCF >> > > I don't know why they bothered. I can't easily imagine any situation where > you would want to take a Framework WCF service and port it to Core. Use > some newer libraries or features maybe? But you might as well try to strip > the layers off the core service code and divide and conquer to upgrade. No > one in their right mind would actually want to write new stuff using WCF, > so the whole project leaves me rather bewildered. > > OpenSilver, web assembly version of Silverlight >> https://www.opensilver.net/ >> > > I looked at that a couple of years ago, and it was completely ludicrous. A > gigantic tangle of HTML5 trying to do what Silverlight did without the > milcore-like rendering power. > > *Greg K* >
Re: Technology euology
WCF Core... It lives on https://github.com/CoreWCF/CoreWCF OpenSilver, web assembly version of Silverlight https://www.opensilver.net/ On Tue, 29 Mar 2022, 4:09 pm Greg Keogh, wrote: > Hi Tom, it's not Friday but... > > WCF - I can still remember Juval Lowy telling us how it will solve all our >> problems lol >> > > Still good riddance. I think it took me 2 years to find a working sample > of how to make a "behavior" to put out-of-band data in the traffic headers. > I wonder how many man-years I spent editing WCF config file sections > > >> Blazor - done a few business apps now with this and found it quite >> simple. Unfortunately I still don’t see the market here in Aus taking it >> seriously. >> > > My spidey-sense is seeing steadily increasing Blazor articles, meetups and > 3rd party support, so I think it's pretty serious. I said several weeks ago > that server-side web apps are dead to me thanks to Blazor (but it's no > Silverlight!!) > > *Greg* >
Re: Sign-in with social accounts
AD-B2C allows 50K active monthly users before it costs anything... so you could have more users than 50K... but the first 50K users per month who login to your system are no charge 425show (videos about AD-B2C & MSAL and alot other related security stuff) https://www.youtube.com/c/425show/videos Microsoft Authentication Library (MSAL) https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/active-directory/develop/msal-overview Azure Active Directory B2C code samples https://docs.microsoft.com/en-au/azure/active-directory-b2c/integrate-with-app-code-samples On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 14:35, Greg Keogh wrote: > And before you start paying for alternatives, please check out Azure B2C >> as I mentioned and see if it will do what you need. I’m constantly >> fascinated by projects where I see people buying tools that they already >> have a usable tool. >> > > Oh yeah! I always like to use pre-supplied stuff before going shopping. > I've been browsing around the customer's Pay-as-You-Go subscription portal > and I can't even find any AD related items?! I thought every subscription > had an AD associated with it. Oh well, I'll just keep reading... *GK* >
Re: [OT] Old .NET Runtimes
.NET Uninstall Tool https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/additional-tools/uninstall-tool?tabs=windows The .NET Uninstall Tool (dotnet-core-uninstall) lets you remove .NET SDKs and Runtimes from a system. A collection of options is available to specify which versions you want to uninstall. The tool supports Windows and macOS. Linux is currently not supported. On Windows, the tool can only uninstall SDKs and Runtimes that were installed using one of the following installers: The .NET SDK and runtime installer. The Visual Studio installer in versions earlier than Visual Studio 2019 version 16.3. On macOS, the tool can only uninstall SDKs and runtimes located in the /usr/local/share/dotnet folder. Because of these limitations, the tool may not be able to uninstall all of the .NET SDKs and runtimes on your machine. You can use the dotnet --info command to find all of the .NET SDKs and runtimes installed, including those SDKs and runtimes that this tool can't remove. The dotnet-core-uninstall list command displays which SDKs can be uninstalled with the tool. Versions 1.2 and later can uninstall SDKs and runtimes with version 5.0 or earlier, and previous versions of the tool can uninstall 3.1 and earlier. On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 at 10:33, Greg Keogh wrote: > I think looking through the code for *dotnet --info *might give you all >> the locations, and perhaps together will give you enough to rustle up a >> script that removes them effectively. >> > > Lateral thinking! Good idea. I completely forgot that the source for a lot > of this stuff is available (although reading foreign source can be > exhausting) -- *Greg* >
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe On 27 June 2012 13:17, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: LOL. I guess you still don't get it. You made a guess, not an informed one. There wasn't information out there that led one way or another; although as cited, there was plenty of people informed who thought it would be an upgrade. Yes it turns out you guessed right (perhaps after the fact or not as we don't have any history of you saying either way earlier ;) ), but that guess was not an informed guess. That's why I asked you to cite references to what made your guess informed. Anyway, like I said I think this has now got beyond the stage of dead donkey. Have a think about it, do the research and hopefully you won't be so shocked anymore ;) |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 2:58 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |yeah, so i said what i said... rumours | |but i was a bit shocked becuase I assumed people on this list would have been |more informed than me and i had made the assumption that upgrades would not |be happening | |if you took the comments the wrong way, then you took them the wrong way but |it was not ment to upset you or anyone else | | | |On 27 June 2012 09:06, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: | I think this is pretty much said already (i.e starting to feel like | dead donkey), | | |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but | |rumours/speculation | | Yes this is what you said: | |So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people |seem | to so upset, | everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while | would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update | wp7 device to | wp8 | | To me that read dismissive of the many people who have raised concerns | about the lack of upgrade based on the fact you feel/felt it shouldn't | be a shock to them. Clearly when you look at the facts there was | speculation both ways. | | I'd even hazard a guess that if there are any current sales of WP | between now and when WP8 devices launch, those people who buy them | probably don't know there won't be an incompatibility with WP8 apps | until they try to load the latest games/apps and can't. | | | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie | |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 5:58 PM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but | |rumours/speculation | | | |I then said the rumours/speculation were for both sides of the | |argumet | | | |I then said I made my Asumptions/Guess from them, | | | |I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself | | | |feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I | read/saw/listened | |to a year+ ago | | | |I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they | |are | going to | |have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all | running the | |same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the | abilities/features | |of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity | |stuff | etc | |etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe | |this | will be | |somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if | |it is | correct i | |don't know | | | |I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their | |box | | | |As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice | |cover | and claim | |it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory | |in | china with, | |then charge 3 times it's value to suckers | | | | | | | | | | | |On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy | |bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au | wrote: | | Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, | | and one of the responses marked as an answer said yes the lumia | | would be upgradable to win8 | | | | Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. | | Let's jump forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when | | there was a lot of speculation over the same thing: | | http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-ge | | t-a | | pollo | | | | Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that | | it would upgrade. | | | | And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8 | | running on a currently available Windows Phone, then any | | speculation that it can't be done is clearly wrong. | | | | But I think the key point I'm
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
but i am glad you scoured the complete internet and analisyed everything as I said before the podcast I listen to has a guy who has mates in the phone team, he has been saying for months and months he did not think would be able to upgrade and offered many reasons... so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think it is seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not buy him a lollie in the supermarket On 27 June 2012 13:42, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe On 27 June 2012 13:17, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: LOL. I guess you still don't get it. You made a guess, not an informed one. There wasn't information out there that led one way or another; although as cited, there was plenty of people informed who thought it would be an upgrade. Yes it turns out you guessed right (perhaps after the fact or not as we don't have any history of you saying either way earlier ;) ), but that guess was not an informed guess. That's why I asked you to cite references to what made your guess informed. Anyway, like I said I think this has now got beyond the stage of dead donkey. Have a think about it, do the research and hopefully you won't be so shocked anymore ;) |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 2:58 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |yeah, so i said what i said... rumours | |but i was a bit shocked becuase I assumed people on this list would have been |more informed than me and i had made the assumption that upgrades would not |be happening | |if you took the comments the wrong way, then you took them the wrong way but |it was not ment to upset you or anyone else | | | |On 27 June 2012 09:06, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: | I think this is pretty much said already (i.e starting to feel like | dead donkey), | | |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but | |rumours/speculation | | Yes this is what you said: | |So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people |seem | to so upset, | everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while | would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update | wp7 device to | wp8 | | To me that read dismissive of the many people who have raised concerns | about the lack of upgrade based on the fact you feel/felt it shouldn't | be a shock to them. Clearly when you look at the facts there was | speculation both ways. | | I'd even hazard a guess that if there are any current sales of WP | between now and when WP8 devices launch, those people who buy them | probably don't know there won't be an incompatibility with WP8 apps | until they try to load the latest games/apps and can't. | | | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie | |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 5:58 PM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but | |rumours/speculation | | | |I then said the rumours/speculation were for both sides of the | |argumet | | | |I then said I made my Asumptions/Guess from them, | | | |I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself | | | |feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I | read/saw/listened | |to a year+ ago | | | |I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they | |are | going to | |have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all | running the | |same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the | abilities/features | |of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity | |stuff | etc | |etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe | |this | will be | |somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if | |it is | correct i | |don't know | | | |I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their | |box | | | |As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice | |cover | and claim | |it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory | |in | china with, | |then charge 3 times it's value to suckers | | | | | | | | | | | |On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy | |bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au | wrote: | | Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, | | and one of the responses marked as an answer said yes the lumia | | would be upgradable to win8 | | | | Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. | | Let's jump forward a couple
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
what you not happy to basically call me a liar on the list? you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight? over a telephone??? I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: Hi David Thiessen, |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think it is | |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not buy him a lollie in |the supermarket | |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed | |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe Okay, that's EOC here. If you want to email me of list or discuss this face to face feel free to email me directly at b...@totalenviro.com
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
available you'd reasonably expect to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release dates of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: hence you can be sure to get two years of being current. Android has been all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg Galaxy II). For Windows Phone there isn't that. Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the new devices out the better. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Why don't you two get a room? :) | |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't |have to make |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I |don't think |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a |newer improved |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up |in a draw |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing |(if you are |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of |the contract |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the |option to |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old |then phones |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay |elsewhere) and no |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. | |I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7. Thats |just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I |have at home |in the draw somewhere. | |Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that |will take. I'm |kinda stunned that's news. | |As for you two fighting over what information was available, and |what assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or not. |heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking sides, I |don't care. It's |been too long since anyone's butted heads on this list so, good times! We'll all |look back on this and laugh. If you have any sense. Take a dp |breath, and |step outside. You know, outside where there's sunshine and people |walking about |without computers n stuff. :) We're all in this together, ya know. | |And Go. | |On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie |dotnetnoo...@gmail.com |wrote: | what you not happy to basically call me a liar on the list? | | you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight? | | over a telephone??? | | I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks | | | On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy | bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: | | Hi David Thiessen, | | |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to | |think it | is | | | |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will | |not buy him a | lollie in | |the supermarket | | | |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed | | | |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe | | | Okay, that's EOC here. If you want to email me of list or | discuss this face to face feel free to email me directly at | b...@totalenviro.com | |
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
p.s. i was not picking any fights if you care to read back but nice attempt at a smear On 27 June 2012 19:55, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: No, Bill wrong again read my posts in twitter and you will see, i only tell people what they are but left leaning morons in twitter like to cotinue to abuse people for months after they used to wipe the floor becuase they think Gillard/Swan/ALP spin is fact. i debate many issues, many issues, so sorry but you are totally wrong again, you would not be a Gillard supporter by any chance? hope that is not your problem? lol ;) and if you read what i posted on this subject and what I said, you have no case period, if you like it or not you seem to think you can just imply someone is lying about things becuase they looked/read/listened to different information than you obviouly have and came up with a different conclusion Not a lot to discuss, the phone is not upgradable, thats it if you are upset about it, thats fine... but no need to vent your anger on me, I am not Microsoft On 27 June 2012 19:24, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: Hey, I make my decisions based on emotions. I never said they made sense. The crazy thing about the printer was that when Vista came out there were no drivers for it. (fine in the short term but they just abandoned it for no reason) The printer worked just fine if I stayed with XP. The difference between the printer and the phone examples, are, the phone keeps working. I has no dependency on what it is plugged into (to a degree). If I choose to keep using the phone then in 10 years it will still work (depending of course on the fact the carriers still exist and are running their services). The printer is now unusable. Its not a stand alone device, its an accessory. No drivers no work. Yeah, I guess I could get a machine and put XP on it, of course. But my decision to not buy HP stands based on their lack of driver support. I chose who I buy stuff from based on the ongoing support where I have a choice. I'm going to end this now before I contradict myself even further. If I'm not careful I'll end up arguing with myself and beat myself up about it. Disclaimer: I'm human. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: Well, I don't see why you think HP dropped support for the Pilot you had - Palm would have dropped support long before we bought Palm The LaserJet 1000 was the cheapest of HP's laser printers - a consumer market device, with a USB v1.1 port, that was introduced 11 years ago (2001). I'm not sure why you think HP would be still supporting something that old. So, you are boycotting HP because they drop support for ancient products, yet you think that Microsoft's decision is OK, and you'd buy another Windows Phone? Odd Disclaimer: I work for HP Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:01 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced HP LaserJet 1000. Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see if I can find it now. lol Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot? Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there. My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support calls don't come in when they roll it out? I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do this. Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't perfect. The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain on here on this list or go and do something about it? Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;) On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: Hi Stephen, Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
so ALP saying NO NO NO for 11 years stright in opisition was ok.. ok got it you been conned sorry mate, try facts not gillard spin to back you up next time but if you say NO NO NO to policies that FAIL FAIL FAIL, are you RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT? On 27 June 2012 21:48, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:55 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.comwrote: No, Bill wrong again read my posts in twitter and you will see, i only tell people what they are but left leaning morons in twitter like to cotinue to abuse people for months after they used to wipe the floor becuase they think Gillard/Swan/ALP spin is fact. As opposed to a party that thinks policy is saying no. i debate many issues, many issues, so sorry but you are totally wrong again, you would not be a Gillard supporter by any chance? hope that is not your problem? lol ;) Supporter? No, but I would argue that she represents the lesser of two evils. S -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but rumours/speculation I then said the rumours/speculation were for both sides of the argumet I then said I made my Asumptions/Guess from them, I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I read/saw/listened to a year+ ago I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they are going to have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all running the same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the abilities/features of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity stuff etc etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe this will be somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if it is correct i don't know I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their box As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice cover and claim it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory in china with, then charge 3 times it's value to suckers On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, and one of the responses marked as an answer said yes the lumia would be upgradable to win8 Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. Let's jump forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when there was a lot of speculation over the same thing: http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-get-apollo Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that it would upgrade. And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8 running on a currently available Windows Phone, then any speculation that it can't be done is clearly wrong. But I think the key point I'm trying to make here is that the claim people knew ahead of time it wouldn't be upgraded is clearly false. Clearly a lot of people thought it would. And for the average consumer, I think they'd expect the same. If I went and bought a Samsung Galaxy SII, guess what it's getting updated to ICS tomorrow. If I bought an iphone 4, guess what, you can update it to iOS 5 (iPhone 4s), and even the latest iOS 6 which is in beta. The only reason people might expect WP nto to update because Microsoft has begun to build a history of dumping support for existing devices. Win mobile just three years ago, Zune, Microsoft Kin, now WP7.XX. Just how high do they rate consumer confidence ? Really, it's no wonder that although WP is really nice it remains such a small market share (and most likely to plummet even further over the coming months). It's no wonder Apple and Samsung are doing so well ;) |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 3:59 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |nov 2011 |http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp7- |wpdevices/windows-phone-7-or-wait-for-wp8/9abda28c-5181-4b7f-8f5b- |d4a46a3408e1?msgId=1cb925ea-4347-4482-add2-1a2f7ef4939a | |windows weekly podcast / winsupersite, as i said before | |talking to people on twitter | |etc, | |the net is a big place | |I said rumors on blogs... not major review sites | |but i don't recall exact sites/pages i was looking at upto and beyond a year ago |but this debate has been happing for quite a while online, I was thinking the |arguments for not being upgradable sounded more like it | | | | |On 26 June 2012 11:38, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: | That wasn't a contest either. I seriously asked you to cite some | references as I aren't seeing any. When I google searched the top | listed sites at best could say there were big changes coming but none | that suggested the latest phones wouldn't upgrade. I don't recall | seeing any phone reviews that in their review of the latest WP said | there was a concern/rumour it wouldn't be upgradable. | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of dotnet noobie | |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 2:14 PM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | |I mean not a contest about who reads what blog, listens to what | |podcast, | etc | | | |I was not talking about the smart phone market | | | |Sent from my Windows Phone | | | | | | | |From: mike smith | |Sent: 26-Jun-12 10:00 | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | | | |On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com | |wrote: | | | | | | Well, this is not a compitition | | | | | |Oh, but the marketplace *is* a competition
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
yeah, so i said what i said... rumours but i was a bit shocked becuase I assumed people on this list would have been more informed than me and i had made the assumption that upgrades would not be happening if you took the comments the wrong way, then you took them the wrong way but it was not ment to upset you or anyone else On 27 June 2012 09:06, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: I think this is pretty much said already (i.e starting to feel like dead donkey), |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but |rumours/speculation Yes this is what you said: So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem to so upset, everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7 device to wp8 To me that read dismissive of the many people who have raised concerns about the lack of upgrade based on the fact you feel/felt it shouldn't be a shock to them. Clearly when you look at the facts there was speculation both ways. I'd even hazard a guess that if there are any current sales of WP between now and when WP8 devices launch, those people who buy them probably don't know there won't be an incompatibility with WP8 apps until they try to load the latest games/apps and can't. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 5:58 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but |rumours/speculation | |I then said the rumours/speculation were for both sides of the argumet | |I then said I made my Asumptions/Guess from them, | |I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself | |feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I read/saw/listened |to a year+ ago | |I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they are going to |have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all running the |same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the abilities/features |of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity stuff etc |etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe this will be |somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if it is correct i |don't know | |I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their box | |As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice cover and claim |it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory in china with, |then charge 3 times it's value to suckers | | | | | |On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: | Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, and | one of the responses marked as an answer said yes the lumia would be | upgradable to win8 | | Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. | Let's jump forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when there | was a lot of speculation over the same thing: | http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-get-a | pollo | | Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that it | would upgrade. | | And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8 running | on a currently available Windows Phone, then any speculation that it | can't be done is clearly wrong. | | But I think the key point I'm trying to make here is that the claim | people knew ahead of time it wouldn't be upgraded is clearly false. | Clearly a lot of people thought it would. And for the average | consumer, I think they'd expect the same. If I went and bought a | Samsung Galaxy SII, guess what it's getting updated to ICS tomorrow. | If I bought an iphone 4, guess what, you can update it to iOS 5 | (iPhone 4s), and even the latest iOS 6 which is in beta. | | The only reason people might expect WP nto to update because Microsoft | has begun to build a history of dumping support for existing devices. | Win mobile just three years ago, Zune, Microsoft Kin, now WP7.XX. | Just how high do they rate consumer confidence ? Really, it's no | wonder that although WP is really nice it remains such a small market | share (and most likely to plummet even further over the coming months). | | It's no wonder Apple and Samsung are doing so well ;) | | | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie | |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 3:59 PM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | |nov 2011 | |http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp7- | |wpdevices/windows-phone-7-or-wait-for-wp8/9abda28c-5181-4b7f-8f5b
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
Well, this is not a compitition and I not claming to be an expert on it, but I was under the impression quite a while ago that people would not be able to upgrade the wp7 devices to wp8, I don't even follow it very closely, I really just lisen to the one podcast i mentioned before, thats it, but I also googled it and saw people debating it as far back as mid to end of 2011 I also bet you did not see anywhere from Nokia or MS that you would be able to upgrade a wp7 device to wp8 either? If the current devices have enough grunt or not to run a wp8 OS, I have no idea, i just said is something I assumed would be the case if MS wanted to basically run win8 on a phone... I not saying they can or cannot, I am saying this was my guess but i think the min spec for wp7 was a 1ghz cpu? correct? and i maybe wrong here but did they even lower the spec a little after/for mango 7.5? Anyway I can understand why people are annoyed, especially if you just got a new phone, I got mine the week they came out and I am not really happy either, but I guess I got used to the idea I could not upgrade it already On 25 June 2012 13:17, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: A reasonable position would be if they issued a rebate for those that bought WP7 in the last, say 6 months. It might take the bitter taste away for them, somewhat. Mike On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.comwrote: I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they been saying it for months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot people claimig that it would be upgradable but I personally did not expect you would be able to upgrade, becuase I was thinking the the phone was also going to try and use the same core as win8, so the phone would be different and current phones most likely would not have the grunt to really do it, but i did expect if the phone was more like windows that they would be able to still run the old apps but if you google you will see people saying will not be upgradable from mid to end of last year, while others saying that MS could not cut off wp7 people becuase would kill the phone off -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
nov 2011 http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp7-wpdevices/windows-phone-7-or-wait-for-wp8/9abda28c-5181-4b7f-8f5b-d4a46a3408e1?msgId=1cb925ea-4347-4482-add2-1a2f7ef4939a windows weekly podcast / winsupersite, as i said before talking to people on twitter etc, the net is a big place I said rumors on blogs... not major review sites but i don't recall exact sites/pages i was looking at upto and beyond a year ago but this debate has been happing for quite a while online, I was thinking the arguments for not being upgradable sounded more like it On 26 June 2012 11:38, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: That wasn't a contest either. I seriously asked you to cite some references as I aren't seeing any. When I google searched the top listed sites at best could say there were big changes coming but none that suggested the latest phones wouldn't upgrade. I don't recall seeing any phone reviews that in their review of the latest WP said there was a concern/rumour it wouldn't be upgradable. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of dotnet noobie |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 2:14 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |I mean not a contest about who reads what blog, listens to what podcast, etc | |I was not talking about the smart phone market | |Sent from my Windows Phone | | | |From: mike smith |Sent: 26-Jun-12 10:00 |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | | |On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com |wrote: | | | Well, this is not a compitition | | |Oh, but the marketplace *is* a competition :) | | | | and I not claming to be an expert on it, but I was under the impression |quite a while ago that people would not be able to upgrade the wp7 devices to |wp8, | I don't even follow it very closely, I really just lisen to the one podcast i |mentioned before, thats it, but I also googled it and saw people debating it as far |back as mid to end of 2011 | | I also bet you did not see anywhere from Nokia or MS that you would be |able to upgrade a wp7 device to wp8 either? | | |I wasn't looking, but Apple, for instance, offer a deal where you get some form of |recompense when buying an obsoleted ! item within a certain time of a new |release. | | | | If the current devices have enough grunt or not to run a wp8 OS, I have |no idea, i just said is something I assumed would be the case if MS wanted to |basically run win8 on a phone... | I not saying they can or cannot, I am saying this was my guess | | | | |Or were they pressured by carriers? They more often support handset churn than |the SW manufacturers. From Microsoft's perspective, there's nothing to gain and |everything to lose by doing this. (I exaggerate a bit) | | but i think the min spec for wp7 was a 1ghz cpu? correct? and i maybe |wrong here but did they even lower the spec a little after/for mango 7.5? | | Anyway I can understand why people are annoyed, especially if you just |got a new phone, | I got mine the week they came out and I am not really happy either, but I |guess I got used to the idea I could not upgrade it already | | | | |I still want to know if Microsoft are releasing a phone that will run 8, and that |they will undertake to do online upgrades for, in the same way Apple do, and |Android do (for their 'concept' phones, aka Nexus line) Got an answer for that, |Microsoft dudes? | | | | On 25 June 2012 13:17, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: | | | A reasonable position would be if they issued a rebate for those |that bought WP7 in the last, say 6 months. It might take the bitter taste away for |them, somewhat. | | Mike | | | On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, .net noobie |dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: | | | I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they been |saying it for | months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot people claimig |that it would | be upgradable | | but I personally did not expect you would be able to |upgrade, becuase | I was thinking the the phone was also going to try and |use the same | core as win8, so the phone would be different and |current phones most | likely would not have the grunt to really do it, but i did |expect if | the phone was more like windows that they would be |able to still run | the old apps | | but if you google you will see people saying will not be |upgradable | from mid to end of last year, while others
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they been saying it for months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot people claimig that it would be upgradable but I personally did not expect you would be able to upgrade, becuase I was thinking the the phone was also going to try and use the same core as win8, so the phone would be different and current phones most likely would not have the grunt to really do it, but i did expect if the phone was more like windows that they would be able to still run the old apps but if you google you will see people saying will not be upgradable from mid to end of last year, while others saying that MS could not cut off wp7 people becuase would kill the phone off
Re: [OT] Windows Phone 7 Plans
I have played with Samsung Omnia 7 and HTC Mozart 7 I found the Mozart to be better, runs better, Telstra much better network even after the new Samsung update has been released I still think the Mozart runs more smoothly when i swap from the larger 4 screen to the smaller 3.8 screen, i don't even notice the difference in size I also think the Mozart is just a nicer designed phone, it looks nicer One advantage of the Omnia 7 is the screen in bright light I actually got Optus to test mt 3G connection because as previously mentioned in the threat it's not great I am on the Gold Coast, not a small place, but my connection switches from 3G to GSM all the time Optus actually offered me to cancel the contract due to the results of the test on my connection If i personally chose again I would get the Mozart, due to superior 3G network and the phone is just better design and also I think runs a bit smoother and I may still take Optus up on the offer to hand back my Omnia 7 and get a Mozart (or some other Telstra WP7 phone) as I have really only used the two I mentioned On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:22 AM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:09 AM, David Connors da...@codify.com wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:07 AM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: Probably get the phone and plan separately. With Android at least, you get far more timely upgrades if the phone maker delivers them rather than waiting for the carrier to cripple^H modify the firmware. You still have to wait for carrier updates for Android unless you root your phone and use cyanogen mods etc. My HTC Desire still has 2.2 on it and Telstra aren't releasing 2.3 until next month. Apple are the only company who has the update process right (i.e. everyone in the world gets it on day one). Inclined to agree, but Google go close with their own models. NexusOne, etc - it deployed 2.3.4 this month. When it falls apart[1](no sign so far), or I get tired of it I'll keep buying Nexus series. http://www.mobicity.com.au/samsung-google-nexus-s.html or its successor? [1] It's holding together fairly well, I've got a silicone holster type cover that leaves the screen exposed, and use the clear covers on that. A minor quibble is that occasionally the touch screen goes out of alignment, but a on-off (not a power recycle) fixes that. Could be the clear screen cover I guess. -- David Connors | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com Software Engineer Codify Pty Ltd Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417 189 363 V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact -- Meski Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: [OT] Windows Phone 7 Plans
I have only looked/user those two phones, so that is just my personal feelings about them also... maybe worth noting, that apparently when the Mango update is coming will also potentially be some new versions of WP's released which apparently will have some new features, but they will obviously be a while away and also, I do not know if/when they will be available in Aus On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Stephen Liedig slie...@gmail.com wrote: Cheers everyone, all good information. .net noobie, your Mozart review is interesting, all the others I have seen have been a bit average. And the reviews on the HTC HD7 have also been somewhat discouraging (not to mention I totally object to having to pay $17 a month just for the privilege of owning one). It seems to me that all carriers are just pushing iphones and android devices. When you look around at what else is on offer WP7 don't look like an attractive option. Is this a failure on Microsoft's part not to push their marketing campaign further or is it the carriers refusal to push it due to the popularity of iPhone? I spoke to a rep in the Telstra store and he said that 55% of sales made last year were for iPhones. When you have those kind of figures why would you be interested in pushing the competition. Anyway, not going to analyse it too much, in fear of showing my ignorance in these matters but I just find it a bit strange. Thanks again for all your comments. Steve On 24 May 2011 09:58, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: I have played with Samsung Omnia 7 and HTC Mozart 7 I found the Mozart to be better, runs better, Telstra much better network even after the new Samsung update has been released I still think the Mozart runs more smoothly when i swap from the larger 4 screen to the smaller 3.8 screen, i don't even notice the difference in size I also think the Mozart is just a nicer designed phone, it looks nicer One advantage of the Omnia 7 is the screen in bright light I actually got Optus to test mt 3G connection because as previously mentioned in the threat it's not great I am on the Gold Coast, not a small place, but my connection switches from 3G to GSM all the time Optus actually offered me to cancel the contract due to the results of the test on my connection If i personally chose again I would get the Mozart, due to superior 3G network and the phone is just better design and also I think runs a bit smoother and I may still take Optus up on the offer to hand back my Omnia 7 and get a Mozart (or some other Telstra WP7 phone) as I have really only used the two I mentioned On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:22 AM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:09 AM, David Connors da...@codify.com wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:07 AM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: Probably get the phone and plan separately. With Android at least, you get far more timely upgrades if the phone maker delivers them rather than waiting for the carrier to cripple^H modify the firmware. You still have to wait for carrier updates for Android unless you root your phone and use cyanogen mods etc. My HTC Desire still has 2.2 on it and Telstra aren't releasing 2.3 until next month. Apple are the only company who has the update process right (i.e. everyone in the world gets it on day one). Inclined to agree, but Google go close with their own models. NexusOne, etc - it deployed 2.3.4 this month. When it falls apart[1](no sign so far), or I get tired of it I'll keep buying Nexus series. http://www.mobicity.com.au/samsung-google-nexus-s.html or its successor? [1] It's holding together fairly well, I've got a silicone holster type cover that leaves the screen exposed, and use the clear covers on that. A minor quibble is that occasionally the touch screen goes out of alignment, but a on-off (not a power recycle) fixes that. Could be the clear screen cover I guess. -- David Connors | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com Software Engineer Codify Pty Ltd Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417 189 363 V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact -- Meski Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: [OT] Windows Phone 7 Plans
the Numbers is low, but it is only a few months old, i hope Paris Hilton switches from a iPhone to WP7 then the numbers should sky rocket ;) hehe Paris Hilton, made the iPhone a fashion item almost with young people ;) On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 3:14 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Stephen Liedig slie...@gmail.com wrote: Cheers everyone, all good information. .net noobie, your Mozart review is interesting, all the others I have seen have been a bit average. And the reviews on the HTC HD7 have also been somewhat discouraging (not to mention I totally object to having to pay $17 a month just for the privilege of owning one). It seems to me that all carriers are just pushing iphones and android devices. When you look around at what else is on offer WP7 don't look like an attractive option. Is this a failure on Microsoft's part not to push their marketing campaign further or is it the carriers refusal to push it due to the popularity of iPhone? I spoke to a rep in the Telstra store and he said that 55% of sales made last year were for iPhones. When you have those kind of figures why would you be interested in pushing the competition. Anyway, not going to analyse it too much, in fear of showing my ignorance in these matters but I just find it a bit strange. Thanks again for all your comments. Down to 3.6% as of the last quarter. http://www.crn.com.au/News/258130,symbian-and-windows-phone-7-bleed-market-share.aspx Come on, Microsoft, at that level it's not worth developing for when you can hit most of the market by targeting iOS and Android. -- Meski Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: uninstalling SP1
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=75568aa6-8107-475d-948a-ef22627e57a5 Visual Studio 2010 SP1 Readmehttp://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=210711 2.2. Uninstalling2.2.1. If Visual Studio 2010 Service Pack 1 is uninstalled, Visual Studio 2010 must be reinstalled to restore certain components Visual Studio 2010 Service Pack 1 upgrades some components of the Visual Studio 2010 original release version. If you uninstall Service Pack 1, some of these components are removed completely from the machine and not downgraded to their original versions. *To resolve this issue:* Reinstall the Visual Studio 2010 original release version from the original source media or network installation location. In Setup, select the features that you want to reinstall. 1. Browse to the location from which you installed Visual Studio 2010. 2. Run setup.exe. If you are prompted by User Account Control to elevate, click Continue. 3. Click Change or Remove Microsoft Visual Studio 2010. 4. When Setup is loaded, click Next. 5. Click Add or Remove Features. 6. Select the features you want to reinstall. - If the features you want are already selected, clear and then re-select one feature under every root feature that you want to reinstall. 7. Click Update. 2.2.2. If Visual Studio 2010 Service Pack 1 is uninstalled, Visual Studio 2010 must be reinstalled before SP1 can be installed again If Visual Studio 2010 Service Pack 1 is uninstalled, Visual Studio 2010 must be reinstalled before SP1 can be installed again. *To resolve this issue:* Read 2.2.1. in this readme for instructions about how to reinstall Visual Studio 2010 after SP1 is uninstalled. After Visual Studio 2010 is reinstalled, reapply SP1. 2.2.3. If Visual Studio 2010 SP1, SQL Server Compact runtime, and Visual Studio 2010 SP1 Tools for SQL Server Compact 4.0 ENU are installed, and then SP1 is uninstalled, an error may occur when a SQL Express database is created If Visual Studio 2010 SP1, SQL Server Compact runtime, and Visual Studio 2010 SP1 Tools for SQL Server Compact 4.0 ENU are installed, and then SP1 is uninstalled, an error may occur when a SQL Express database (.mdf) file is created. *To resolve this issue:* Repair the Visual Studio 2010 original release version and then uninstall the Visual Studio 2010 SP1 Tools for SQL Server Compact 4.0 ENU (SSCEVSTools-ENU.msi) by using the Programs section in the Control Panel. 2.2.4. Uninstalling Visual Studio 2010 SP1 removes Visual Studio Tools for Office and Visual Studio Tools for SharePoint features Uninstalling Visual Studio 2010 SP1 removes the Visual Studio Tools for Office (VSTO) Design Time and Visual Studio Tools for SharePoint features. Because the Office and Sharepoint features in Visual Studio 2010 SP1 are major upgrades, they are removed when SP1 is removed and the earlier versions have to be restored in the Visual Studio 2010 original release version. *To resolve this issue:* 1. In the Programs section of the Control Panel, right-click Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 and then click Uninstall\Change. 2. In the Maintenance Mode dialog box, click Next and then click Add or Remove Features. 3. Missing features have empty check boxes and a red X next to them. Select the the following features: - Microsoft Office Developer Tools (x86) or (x64) for Office development. - Microsoft SharePoint Developer Tools for SharePoint development. 4. Click Update. 2.2.5. Uninstalling Visual Studio 2010 Service Pack 1 prompts for source for Express editions When Service Pack 1 is uninstalled, files may have to be copied from the original source media for Visual Studio 2010 or related products. If the source cannot be found automatically, you will be prompted to supply a location. For Express editions, additional steps are required to re-download and expand the source. *To resolve this issue:* 1. Go to Express downloads http://www.microsoft.com/express/downloads/on the Microsoft website. 2. Download the ISO, which contains all versions of Express except for Windows Phone. - You can download the English ISO, except for Express for Windows Phone, from http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9709969. - You can download the ISO for Express for Windows Phone separately, from http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=201927. 3. Burn the ISO to a DVD. We recommend that you verify the media after the burn process completes. 4. Open a Command Prompt window. (Click Start, click All Programs, click Accessories, and then click Command Prompt.) 5. Change directories to the DVD drive, and then to the directory that corresponds to the product that is prompting for source. For example, if Visual C# Express is prompting for source, type: cd d:\vcsexpress (assumes that D: is your DVD drive). 6. To find the file for the next step, type: dir ixp*.exe 7. Using that file name, type: file
Re: Registering and configuring a COM Server
I think your looking for Custom Actions in the installer to do things like reg the COM server etc... have you tried using the Wix installer setup project it is much more useable really then the standard VS setup project type and an add-in/extention for VS 2010 exists (free) http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/5f43f268-7752-48c7-90e8-ae5b6f136b3f?SRC=VSIDE http://wix.sourceforge.net/manual-wix3/authoring_getting_started.htm http://blogs.technet.com/b/alexshev/archive/2008/02/10/from-msi-to-wix.aspx *A Visual Studio project system used to build Windows based deployment packages (MSIs) using Windows Installer XML.* *What is Windows Installer XML?* *Windows Installer XML is a toolset that builds Windows installation packages from XML source code. The toolset supports a command line environment that you may integrate into your build processes to build MSI and MSM setup packages. For more information, visit the **Windows Installer XML webpage* http://wix.sourceforge.net/*.* *What is the Windows Installer XML Visual Studio Plug-in?* *The Windows Installer XML project system plug-in enables features such as intellisense, source code control integration, and other Visual Studio project system features. It allows a richer setup development experience and end-to-end integration with your development process.* On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: Folks, I'm testing a VS2010 Setup Project that contains a COM server. The server is an EXE written in Borland C++ and the author reckons that it supports the /RegServer and /UnregServer switches automatically because of the code templates he uses. What is (is there?) a Property of the file in the install project that can get the EXE to silently register itself? I can see the vsdrfCOM, vsdrfCOMRelativePath, vsdrfCOMSelfReg property values that might be useful, but is one of these values what I want? Another irritating step is required to get the COM server working ... I have to manually run domcnfg (on 32-bit machines) or comreg.msc /32 (on 64-bit machines) and then give NETWORK SERVICE Local Activation permission. Screenshot below. Is there a way of setting this configuration silently during the install? Cheers Greg
Re: Registering and configuring a COM Server
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307367 For a COM module, you have the options of *COM*, *COMRelativePath*, and * COMSelfReg*. Any one of those three options will register the COM module during the installation. Note the following details about each choice: 1. *COM*: The module will be registered as a COM object by the Windows Installer engine. The deployment project will update the Class table, ProgID table, and other tables in the Registry Tables group of the corresponding .msi file. This is the recommended way to register a COM module. 2. *COMRelativePath*: The module will be registered as an isolated COM object by the Windows Installer engine. Note that this module will be used only by the application that the module is installed with. 3. *COMSelfReg*: The installer calls the *DllRegisterServer* function of that module at the time that you install the module and the * DllUnregisterServer* function at the time that you uninstall the module. The deployment project will update the SelfReg table of the corresponding .msi file. It is not recommended that the installation package use self-registration. Instead, the installation package should register modules by authoring one or more of the other tables provided by the installer for this purpose (that is, select the *COM* or *COMRelativePath* options). Many of the benefits of having a central installer service are lost with self-registration, because self-registration routines tend to hide critical configuration information. http://amiraryani.wordpress.com/2009/08/07/visual-studio-setup-deployment-project/ http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/w4dsy50b(v=VS.80).aspx you properly already read all this, but just incase i sent it On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: Hi Noobie, I'm using a Custom Action now to set special folder permissions and a few other smaller tweaks during install. I just wasn't sure if one of the standard vsdrfXXX values would do what I want with a EXE COM server (they're poorly documented). Worst of all I have no idea how to set the custom permissions on a 32-bit COM server, although it's probably a fragile registry change which I would have to ensure works correctly on different Windows. I've been meaning to study Wix, but time defeats me. I didn't know there was a VS2010 extension, so that's good news worth looking at. Greg
Re: OT - iPhone Programming
I am not into the iphone but here is a link talking about it http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2604033/is-monotouch-now-banned-on-the-iphone/2608823#2608823 On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 6:31 PM, David Loo david@itvision.com.auwrote: Really…I didn’t know but looks like they are still selling monotouch from the web site. *David Loo* *Analyst/Programmer* *IT Vision Australia Pty Ltd* (ABN: 34 309 336 904) PO Box 881, Canning Bridge WA 6153 Level 3, Kirin Centre, 15 Ogilvie Road, Applecross, WA, 6153 P: (08) 9315 7000F: (08) 9315 7088 E: david@itvision.com.auW: http://www.itvision.com.au ___ NOTICE : This e-mail and any attachments are intended for the addressee(s) only and may contain confidential or privileged material. Any unauthorised review, use, alteration, disclosure or distribution of this e-mail (including any attachments) by an unintended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender as soon as possible by return e-mail and then delete both messages. ___ *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *.net noobie *Sent:* Friday, 26 November 2010 3:28 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: OT - iPhone Programming Did apple not make a statement that you cannot use things like monotouch anymore they said that if you want make iphone apps you need use the apple/iphone tools only or you are breaking there TC's or whatever correct? On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 6:11 PM, David Loo david@itvision.com.au wrote: If you want program the iPhone using the .net framework check out http://monotouch.net/ . Mono is a .net cross platform development environment for Windows, Macs and Linux based Oses. http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page Hope this helps. David Loo Analyst/Programmer IT Vision Australia Pty Ltd (ABN: 34 309 336 904) PO Box 881, Canning Bridge WA 6153 Level 3, Kirin Centre, 15 Ogilvie Road, Applecross, WA, 6153 P: (08) 9315 7000F: (08) 9315 7088 E: david@itvision.com.auW: http://www.itvision.com.au ___ NOTICE : This e-mail and any attachments are intended for the addressee(s) only and may contain confidential or privileged material. Any unauthorised review, use, alteration, disclosure or distribution of this e-mail (including any attachments) by an unintended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender as soon as possible by return e-mail and then delete both messages. ___ -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of silky Sent: Friday, 26 November 2010 10:35 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: OT - iPhone Programming Hey, Is anyone doing this on Windows and/or with .NET? -- silky http://dnoondt.wordpress.com/ Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy - the joy of being this signature. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5649 (20101125) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5649 (20101125) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5649 (20101125) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5649 (20101125) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
WCF RIA Services, WP7, This is often caused by an incorrect address or SOAP action RIA Services
EndpointNotFoundException was unhandled Message... There was no endpoint listening at soap RIA Services I follow this post http://mravinale.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/using-ria-services-soap-and-windows-phone-7/ when i download this sample project it works on my laptop when i follow the steps and make the app i get an error This is often caused by an incorrect address or SOAP action RIA Services even if I try to add a new EF or LingToSql data domain/source i get the error in his project can someone please give me some tips as to why this is happening? Thanks
[OT] WP7 Handset/device
Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-prices-for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=all as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie
Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device
Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/windows-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those bands. The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, expansive memory portrait slider. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-prices-for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=all as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie
Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device
I lost my phone in Sydney airport, I left it on a bench, came back a couple minutes later some prick had already taken it so I been waiting to buy a WP7 phone, but I am not so keen on the planes/contracts to a telco company On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/windows-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those bands. The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, expansive memory portrait slider. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-prices-for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=all as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie
Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device
Can I ask why you like the HTC Mozart over the Samsung Omnia 7 is it the 8 MP camera, or other things as well? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: It’s actually 500MB, and you can change that, I managed to get 3GB on the $79 plan for an extra $3. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Reed Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:23 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Not really with Telstra you only get a pitiful 400mb allowance and I burned through half of that in 3 hours of getting the phone. A lot of that was buying apps setting up accounts and syncing data tho. I have the data turned off except for wifi. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:20 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: thanks Chris does anyone who has used a WP7 have an Idea on the volume of data it uses in general use when it is loading your emails and pics, twitter posts etc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:16 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: I lost my phone in Sydney airport, I left it on a bench, came back a couple minutes later some prick had already taken it so I been waiting to buy a WP7 phone, but I am not so keen on the planes/contracts to a telco company On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/windows-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those bands. The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, expansive memory portrait slider. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-prices-for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=all as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie
Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device
OK thanks for the info guys :) On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Simon Reed simon.spectre.l...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on both points On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: I like the 3.7 screen. The Omnia 7 is a 4 device. I just like the smaller one, and you can't beat the NextG network for speed. Optus sucks and Voda/Three are hopeless for coverage. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:27 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Can I ask why you like the HTC Mozart over the Samsung Omnia 7 is it the 8 MP camera, or other things as well? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: It's actually 500MB, and you can change that, I managed to get 3GB on the $79 plan for an extra $3. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Reed Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:23 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Not really with Telstra you only get a pitiful 400mb allowance and I burned through half of that in 3 hours of getting the phone. A lot of that was buying apps setting up accounts and syncing data tho. I have the data turned off except for wifi. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:20 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: thanks Chris does anyone who has used a WP7 have an Idea on the volume of data it uses in general use when it is loading your emails and pics, twitter posts etc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:16 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: I lost my phone in Sydney airport, I left it on a bench, came back a couple minutes later some prick had already taken it so I been waiting to buy a WP7 phone, but I am not so keen on the planes/contracts to a telco company On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/win dows-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those bands. The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, expansive memory portrait slider. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-pri ces-for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode =all as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie
Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device
I been looking at the 3G / NextG stuff am I correct in thinking that standard 3G uses 2100 MHz and Telstra's NextG uses 850 MHz therefore... I could get a phone that is not 850 MHz, but is 2100 MHz this will still be 3G, but not NextG and therefore even if I used telstra I would not get the good coverage and speed On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:41 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: OK thanks for the info guys :) On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Simon Reed simon.spectre.l...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on both points On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: I like the 3.7 screen. The Omnia 7 is a 4 device. I just like the smaller one, and you can't beat the NextG network for speed. Optus sucks and Voda/Three are hopeless for coverage. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:27 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Can I ask why you like the HTC Mozart over the Samsung Omnia 7 is it the 8 MP camera, or other things as well? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: It's actually 500MB, and you can change that, I managed to get 3GB on the $79 plan for an extra $3. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Reed Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:23 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Not really with Telstra you only get a pitiful 400mb allowance and I burned through half of that in 3 hours of getting the phone. A lot of that was buying apps setting up accounts and syncing data tho. I have the data turned off except for wifi. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:20 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: thanks Chris does anyone who has used a WP7 have an Idea on the volume of data it uses in general use when it is loading your emails and pics, twitter posts etc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:16 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: I lost my phone in Sydney airport, I left it on a bench, came back a couple minutes later some prick had already taken it so I been waiting to buy a WP7 phone, but I am not so keen on the planes/contracts to a telco company On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/win dows-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Really depends on what network you're wanting to use it on. If its Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the 850Mhz 3G band, the Samsung Focus the HTC Surround. If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the 2100Mhz 900Mhz 3G bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 launch devices support those bands. The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the Dell Venue Pro, but it isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, AMOLED screen, expansive memory portrait slider. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 Handset/device outright without a plan? Telstra are selling them I think but there price is pretty high and only have 2 phones http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-buy-pri ces-for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ What do people think about buying a handset from overseas to try and get a better price? e.g. ATT are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I don't know the details as in it this is on some kind of plan or just the handset outright? or if the handset will be locked to ATT etc... I like the look of the Samsung Omnia 7 from Optus the The HTC Mozart, has a better camera 8 Mega Pixel what models do people think is best and why? in the US there is a Samsung Focus which people seem to like a lot, is the Samsung Omnia 7 basically the same/Australian version? Is there going to be any advantage to getting a phone on a plan, rather then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? e.g. will the phone company have any extra features I will not get if I just put in my own Sim card? these are/seem to be the options for Australian handsets http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode =all as I said above I like the Samsung Omnia 7 so any comments on why I should or should not choose a different model would be great thanks noobie
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How bad is the Optus network really I really only intend on being in a city, never really going to be in the country the optus plans just seem to give alot more then telstra on the data side *Bonus Unlimited mobile access to Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, MySpace, eBay and Foursquare4* this could reduce the data your paying for with the built in features alot or is all the data going to actually coming from windows live and therefore this will not help you reduce the data your consuming? I would mostly just be using twitter and maybe Facebook sometimes if someone sent me a message or something Minimum Monthly Spend $79 Total Monthly Value Up to $9001 *Included Data 3GB2* or Unlimited BIS + 1GB 2 on BlackBerry handsets Voicemail deposits retrievals Unlimited3 *Bonus Unlimited mobile access to Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, MySpace, eBay and Foursquare4* Standard National SMS(excl Pivotel) unlimited Standard National MMS(excl Pivotel) unlimited Call rate $0.90 per minute National Video call rate $1 per minute plus 35c flagfall International Video call rate $1.50 per minute plus 35c flagfall 13/1300 call rate $0.90 per minute + $0.35 Flagfall Connection Fee 35c per call Excess Data Usage 10c per MB Connection Fee 35c per call Excess Data Usage 10c per MB Inclusions Standard Aust local, national, GSM mobile, video calls, voicemail and 13/1300 calls standard SMS, MMS to Aust GSM mobile, and international SMS 1 Pay the first Business Complete Ultimate plan worth of included value each billing period after which these services are free up to a maximum of your selected plans Included Cap Value per billing period. 2 Mobile Internet Data Value: can be used to access services on Optus Zoo, browsing the Internet from your mobile, as well as using your mobile as a modem. If you elect to take the Business Advantage BMB service the plans included mobile data value can be shared. Excess usage charges of $0.10 per MB or part thereof apply (Includes uploads and downloads). Data usage will be counted in kilobytes, where 1024KB = 1MB and includes both uploads and downloads. Any unused data allowance cannot be rolled over. Unlimited BlackBerry POP3 Browsing: only applies for POP3 email traffic and internet browsing through the BlackBerry Browser and specifically excludes use of the Optus Zoo Browser and International Roaming. Customers must have a BlackBerry or BlackBerry Connect handset to access this service. Unlimited BlackBerry POP3 email and browsing is subject to the Optus Mobile Fair GoTM policy. The BlackBerry and RIM families of related marks, images and symbols are the exclusive properties of and trademarks or registered trademarks of Research In Motion Limited used by permission. 3 Unlimited Voicemail: Applies to Voicemail Deposits and Retrievals, diversion charges apply. *4 Unlimited Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, MySpace, eBay Foursquare: Only available within Australian and requires compatible handset. Use of these services is separate and does not count towards your included “Mobile Internet Data”. Cannot be used with your Optus Mobile Broadband (OMB) or Business Mobile Broadband (BMB) device/s and excludes use of Facebook SMS or other social media alert services. These features are only available to you if your handset is compatible with the service. Optus Mobile Fair GoTM Policy applies.* On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Nick Randolph n...@builttoroam.com wrote: Chris, beg to differ on the warranty front - http://www.mobicity.com.au/extras/warranty.html Nick Randolph | Built to Roam | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built To Roam. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:16 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device I am, but really depends on if you want an Australian warranty etc... If you purchase it from MobiCity the phones don't have an AU warranty. I'd suggest getting it outright via Telstra. Or if you want a plan, get it on via Telstra, free on a $49 plan, and the phones are unlocked by default. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:11 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best model to get? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/window s-phone.html?order=pricedir=asc On Thu, Nov 4, 2010
Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device
Stephen, do you have it all setup for getting the services and photos etc? do you have any issues with blowing your data limits or you don't know yet? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Stephen Price step...@littlevoices.com wrote: I was on Optus with my iphone. I got the shits with them in the end, the number of times I'd be in the city and it would be giving me a GPRS connection (no 3G) drove me crazy. Telstra have finally become competitive with their pricing. My HTC Mozart is costing me $49 a month with nothing to pay for the phone. Optus was/is $79 a month. I gave my iphone to my daughter (no credit topups for her for a while she's got a $350 limit). It was way to much to break the Optus contract and pay out the phone. Love the Mozart, its a nice phone. My only complaint is there doesnt seem to be a way to make the screen lock after a period of time. it locks or it doesnt. iphone could lock after 10 mins. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:26 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: How bad is the Optus network really I really only intend on being in a city, never really going to be in the country the optus plans just seem to give alot more then telstra on the data side Bonus Unlimited mobile access to Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, MySpace, eBay and Foursquare4 this could reduce the data your paying for with the built in features alot or is all the data going to actually coming from windows live and therefore this will not help you reduce the data your consuming? I would mostly just be using twitter and maybe Facebook sometimes if someone sent me a message or something Minimum Monthly Spend $79 Total Monthly Value Up to $9001 Included Data 3GB2 or Unlimited BIS + 1GB 2 on BlackBerry handsets Voicemail deposits retrievals Unlimited3 Bonus Unlimited mobile access to Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, MySpace, eBay and Foursquare4 Standard National SMS(excl Pivotel) unlimited Standard National MMS(excl Pivotel) unlimited Call rate $0.90 per minute National Video call rate $1 per minute plus 35c flagfall International Video call rate $1.50 per minute plus 35c flagfall 13/1300 call rate $0.90 per minute + $0.35 Flagfall Connection Fee 35c per call Excess Data Usage 10c per MB Connection Fee 35c per call Excess Data Usage 10c per MB Inclusions Standard Aust local, national, GSM mobile, video calls, voicemail and 13/1300 calls standard SMS, MMS to Aust GSM mobile, and international SMS 1 Pay the first Business Complete Ultimate plan worth of included value each billing period after which these services are free up to a maximum of your selected plans Included Cap Value per billing period. 2 Mobile Internet Data Value: can be used to access services on Optus Zoo, browsing the Internet from your mobile, as well as using your mobile as a modem. If you elect to take the Business Advantage BMB service the plans included mobile data value can be shared. Excess usage charges of $0.10 per MB or part thereof apply (Includes uploads and downloads). Data usage will be counted in kilobytes, where 1024KB = 1MB and includes both uploads and downloads. Any unused data allowance cannot be rolled over. Unlimited BlackBerry POP3 Browsing: only applies for POP3 email traffic and internet browsing through the BlackBerry Browser and specifically excludes use of the Optus Zoo Browser and International Roaming. Customers must have a BlackBerry or BlackBerry Connect handset to access this service. Unlimited BlackBerry POP3 email and browsing is subject to the Optus Mobile Fair GoTM policy. The BlackBerry and RIM families of related marks, images and symbols are the exclusive properties of and trademarks or registered trademarks of Research In Motion Limited used by permission. 3 Unlimited Voicemail: Applies to Voicemail Deposits and Retrievals, diversion charges apply. 4 Unlimited Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, MySpace, eBay Foursquare: Only available within Australian and requires compatible handset. Use of these services is separate and does not count towards your included “Mobile Internet Data”. Cannot be used with your Optus Mobile Broadband (OMB) or Business Mobile Broadband (BMB) device/s and excludes use of Facebook SMS or other social media alert services. These features are only available to you if your handset is compatible with the service. Optus Mobile Fair GoTM Policy applies. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Nick Randolph n...@builttoroam.com wrote: Chris, beg to differ on the warranty front - http://www.mobicity.com.au/extras/warranty.html Nick Randolph | Built to Roam | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the integrity of any emails
Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/htcs-attentive-phone-adds-features-to-windows-phone-7-video On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Stephen Price step...@littlevoices.comwrote: I seem to be averaging about 3Mb per day. I've used 45Mb of my 512Mb data. I use it for general browsing and dont limit anything like pictures or anything. I do have it hooked up to wifi at home and at work so that would help reduce actual 3G bandwidth used. 500Mb should be plenty. Its mostly twitter and facebook which is text mostly. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:33 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: Stephen, do you have it all setup for getting the services and photos etc? do you have any issues with blowing your data limits or you don't know yet? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Stephen Price step...@littlevoices.com wrote: I was on Optus with my iphone. I got the shits with them in the end, the number of times I'd be in the city and it would be giving me a GPRS connection (no 3G) drove me crazy. Telstra have finally become competitive with their pricing. My HTC Mozart is costing me $49 a month with nothing to pay for the phone. Optus was/is $79 a month. I gave my iphone to my daughter (no credit topups for her for a while she's got a $350 limit). It was way to much to break the Optus contract and pay out the phone. Love the Mozart, its a nice phone. My only complaint is there doesnt seem to be a way to make the screen lock after a period of time. it locks or it doesnt. iphone could lock after 10 mins. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:26 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: How bad is the Optus network really I really only intend on being in a city, never really going to be in the country the optus plans just seem to give alot more then telstra on the data side Bonus Unlimited mobile access to Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, MySpace, eBay and Foursquare4 this could reduce the data your paying for with the built in features alot or is all the data going to actually coming from windows live and therefore this will not help you reduce the data your consuming? I would mostly just be using twitter and maybe Facebook sometimes if someone sent me a message or something Minimum Monthly Spend $79 Total Monthly Value Up to $9001 Included Data 3GB2 or Unlimited BIS + 1GB 2 on BlackBerry handsets Voicemail deposits retrievals Unlimited3 Bonus Unlimited mobile access to Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, MySpace, eBay and Foursquare4 Standard National SMS(excl Pivotel) unlimited Standard National MMS(excl Pivotel) unlimited Call rate $0.90 per minute National Video call rate $1 per minute plus 35c flagfall International Video call rate $1.50 per minute plus 35c flagfall 13/1300 call rate $0.90 per minute + $0.35 Flagfall Connection Fee 35c per call Excess Data Usage 10c per MB Connection Fee 35c per call Excess Data Usage 10c per MB Inclusions Standard Aust local, national, GSM mobile, video calls, voicemail and 13/1300 calls standard SMS, MMS to Aust GSM mobile, and international SMS 1 Pay the first Business Complete Ultimate plan worth of included value each billing period after which these services are free up to a maximum of your selected plans Included Cap Value per billing period. 2 Mobile Internet Data Value: can be used to access services on Optus Zoo, browsing the Internet from your mobile, as well as using your mobile as a modem. If you elect to take the Business Advantage BMB service the plans included mobile data value can be shared. Excess usage charges of $0.10 per MB or part thereof apply (Includes uploads and downloads). Data usage will be counted in kilobytes, where 1024KB = 1MB and includes both uploads and downloads. Any unused data allowance cannot be rolled over. Unlimited BlackBerry POP3 Browsing: only applies for POP3 email traffic and internet browsing through the BlackBerry Browser and specifically excludes use of the Optus Zoo Browser and International Roaming. Customers must have a BlackBerry or BlackBerry Connect handset to access this service. Unlimited BlackBerry POP3 email and browsing is subject to the Optus Mobile Fair GoTM policy. The BlackBerry and RIM families of related marks, images and symbols are the exclusive properties of and trademarks or registered trademarks of Research In Motion Limited used by permission. 3 Unlimited Voicemail: Applies to Voicemail Deposits and Retrievals, diversion charges apply. 4 Unlimited Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, MySpace, eBay Foursquare: Only available within Australian and requires compatible handset. Use of these services is separate and does not count towards your included “Mobile Internet Data”. Cannot be used with your Optus Mobile Broadband (OMB
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am I correct in thinking the Mozart you cannot add extra memory/storage but you can in the Samsung i8700 Omnia 7 http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-categories/smartphones/windows/windows-phone.html Mozart http://www.htc.com/au/product/7mozart/specification.html Samsung i8700 Omnia 7 http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/smart-phone/GT-I8700YKAOPS/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detailtab=specification and what is Nand Memory
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Nick Randolph, made a post on his blog i think where he used an image to store data, which I you could access from different apps, not really a good solution I guess, but maybe OK for some situations http://nicksnettravels.builttoroam.com/post/2010/09/29/Windows-Phone-7-Passing-Data-Between-Applications.aspx On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Bill McCarthy b...@totalenviro.com wrote: Uhm, not really. Isolated storage is good, but doesn't share data across apps. There's various scenarios such as crm's or customer service based apps where it is desirable to have small apps that share the same core data (rather than try to cram every feature into the one app them disabling features depending on the user etc). And then there's the entire lack of shared documents issue (other than photos and videos). There's absolutely no way (that I know of) to do what should be standard office kinds of tasks like automate the creation of a word document/invoice/quote etc, and automatically attach it to an email. The more and more I try to use the phone for business the more I think it is designed for stand alone games etc or only for web based applications where you do that processing off the phone. And yes I know you can hack a bitmap to store your data. That that is even thought of, little alone even considered, is sad. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:16 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |With regards to the last one - does IsolatedStorage work for you? | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:18 PM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |Yeh there's a few frustrations with the end user SDK. My list includes, (but not |limited to) is: |- no way to get list of contacts from the phone itself |- no support for vcard or ical etc (although this surfaces more in the user |interface not being able to accept or attach vcard to text messages) |- no shared data or files | |I'm hoping for improvements there. The first one is a real killer if you want to |write any app that deals with people. | | ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 12:01 PM ||To: ozDotNet ||Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || ||Yeah, they've been saying it's coming for years. || ||Bill, || ||For ringtones, the support is in the Silverlight App Model, but there ||is no |way to ||access the Ringtones folder in the end user SDK, it's included in the |Native SDK. ||We've got access to the Capability in the WMAppManifest ||ID_CAP_RINGTONE_ADD but as I said, you can't access the folder. || ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 11:55 AM ||To: ozDotNet ||Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || ||I did see a twitter post (in response to me asking about Zune pass) ||that it |was ||coming, but no timeframe on when. || ||On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Simon Reed ||simon.spectre.l...@gmail.com ||wrote: || Speaking of Zune is there a timeline for Zune pass or music coming to |Aus? || || On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Bill McCarthy b...@totalenviro.com |wrote: || || Use Zune on the PC for marketplace ;) || || |-Original Message- || |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- || |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Reed || |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 12:48 AM || |To: ozDotNet || |Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || | || |Does anyone know if marketplace/downloads are metered content || |through Telstra I know Telstra One is unmetered and thought maybe || |marketplace || could || |be the same as you can add the cost of apps to the mobile bill? || |(probably || just || |wishful thinking) || | || | || |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Stephen Price || |step...@littlevoices.com || |wrote: || | || | || | I seem to be averaging about 3Mb per day. I've used 45Mb of || |my 512Mb || | data. I use it for general browsing and dont limit anything || |like || | pictures or anything. I do have it hooked up to wifi at home || |and || at || | work so that would help reduce actual 3G bandwidth used. || | || | 500Mb should be plenty. Its mostly twitter and facebook || | which is || text || |mostly. || | || | || | On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:33 PM, .net noobie || |dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote: || |Stephen, do you have it all setup for getting the services || |and || photos || |etc? || |do you have any issues with blowing your data
Re: VS2010 and SDK 7.0A and 7.1
http://www.intrepidstudios.com/blog/2010/7/11/debug-your-net-web-project-with-iis-express-t.aspx On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Stephen Liedig slie...@gmail.com wrote: I thought 7.1 was aligned with .NET 4 whereas 7.0A was still 3.5 SP1? Could be mistaken though. On 23 August 2010 01:05, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: I’ve finally upgraded to Visual Studio 2010 and it all seems to be working well. I haven’t had time to look into the snazzy new features yet, as I’ve been bogged down getting my hundred or so projects all upgraded and working. If anyone has favourite productivity tips and tricks for VS2010, let me know. I’ll search for articles later when I get time. I went looking for FxCop, but there seems to be a bug in the web pages (like HEREhttp://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/confirmation.aspx?familyId=917023f6-d5b7-41bb-bbc0-411a7d66cf3cdisplayLang=en) where you click the download link and it starts to download the readme.txt file. Then I read that FxCop 10 is included in the latest SDK. In the SDK 7.0A that’s installed with VS2010 I can only find the old 1.36 FxCop. Then I see that SDK 7.1 is available as a 567MB ISO download (which hasn’t been posted to me yet, so I’m download it). I’m just getting a bit worried about all these SDKs. 7.0A came with VS2010 and it seems to be glued to using it. I had to install 6.1 so tools like tlbimp could use Framework 2. Now 7.1 is downloading. This article on 7.1http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windowssdk/archive/2010/04/07/coming-soon-win-sdk-for-windows-7-and-net-4.aspxtells me how good it will be, but I can’t find any clear explanation of the relationship between 7.0A, 7.1 and VS2010. Can anyone enlighten me? Cheers, Greg
Re: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet Filter
Or building an NBN I was under the impression that we were building the 40+ billion NBN to have TWO networks to increase/create competition anyway now we have the government (Conroy) stick the boots into Telstra, make them break up, and if they don't do it the way Conroy want's they will just take (at a very low unfair price) the parts they need to make the new NBN Conroy is now telling us that this is going to save us lots of money, but now we will have a single network as before, just the government will own it, not Telstra In Tasmania the network prices are out, you can buy a 25 MB/Sec connection for $99 a month or you can have ADSL2+ 24 MB/sec for maybe $29 a month or $50 for more bandwidth than most heavy use families will chew in a month But the thing that gets me more then the pricing, is the Fact that now we are still only going to have 1 major network, just like before, but not privately owned, but owned by the Government, the justification of the 40 billion plus NBN (after they failed to raise 5 billion from the private sector, then 5 days later announced the 40 plus billion plan) was to have 2 networks for competition in the market place, to give the little guys in the game a better chance to get a good deal, but this reason/jusification for kicking Telstra's teeth in seems to have gone by the wayside, but no one in the media seems to remember/mention it. On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:59 PM, David Connors da...@codify.com wrote: On 12 July 2010 17:28, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: But saying don't buy from the Chinese is just self-defeating. Then the Chinese shouldn't buy our coal. Or Americans shouldn't buy Dr Low's consulting services etc. No one will buy anything from anyone overseas. And why limit it to countries: people in NSW shouldn't buy things from Queensland, and Sydney-siders shouldn't buy things from Dubbo, and so on. I think Greg was referring to the annoying spin on the stimulus spend. -- *David Connors* | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com Software Engineer Codify Pty Ltd Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417 189 363 V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
Re: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet Filter
there are many highways between melbourne and sydney This has nothing to do with competition. correct it's doesn't, but remember when the optus workers cut the big cable between melbourne and sydney, or like in tassie when the idiots broken in to an exchange building on the easten shore and put an axe into the cables, the point is if you have 2, you have an alternitive and you can remain functional, not be dead in the water untill it's fixed anyway the point is, the reason for the NBN has changed on the fly to suit the situation of the governments position, thats the point NBN is there to provide a common set of infrastructure in a market which is now only going to be the governments option, the reason for building it was to have two, so smaller players in the game could have an alternitive option, this is the point On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *.net noobie *Sent:* Tuesday, 13 July 2010 12:31 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet Filter *Er, since when would that increase competition? Do we have two sets* * of roads, two sets of electricity *distribution* systems?* becuase you have to places to buy from, it's call competition, Some things are “natural monopolies”: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly Multiple companies investing capital intensive systems, rather than sharing a common infrastructure, just results in increased costs for everyone. If roads were private, do you think it would be cheaper for motorists if there were 2 highways between Sydney and Melbourne? By your argument, if there were 10 highways built, it would be even better, because there would be more competition! plus if you ever work in a place like a mine for example, you notice they have 2 of everything, so when one fails the other takes over, it's called redundancy This has nothing to do with competition. In any case, the NBN is there to provide a common set of infrastructure in a market which is a natural monopoly. Instead of a private operator collecting monopoly rent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_profit) to the detriment of consumers, a government sanctioned provider can provide the base infrastructure at a cost that doesn’t maximise profits to the holder of the monopoly. Cheers Ken
Re: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternetFilter
Trevor work's for Conroy? He wants to filter the post +1 On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Dan Cash dan.c...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra -- *From: *Trevor Andrew tand...@tassoc.com.au *Sender: *ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com *Date: *Sat, 10 Jul 2010 18:48:41 +1000 *To: *'ozDotNet'ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com *ReplyTo: *ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com *Subject: *RE: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet Filter Hi Guys, I know this thread is marked as OT, but I don’t think it even comes close to being within that very broad scope for the OZDOTNET list … The majority of recent posts have all been just opinions, and *everyone* has a right to hold them, and I defend *everyone’s* right to their own opinion. But I’m pretty sure that this isn’t the forum to express them. Cheers, Trevor Andrew *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *.net noobie *Sent:* Saturday, 10 July 2010 3:04 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet Filter Debt itself isn’t a problem, this is garbage debt does matter, it matters alot more debt = less options massive debt = no options and spending money for the sake of votes is also garbage i needed to make the correction also On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Tony Wright ton...@tpg.com.au wrote: Ah, naive, and so transparently biased. Labor do have a stack of policies, it’s just that they’re mostly failures. As opposed to Liberals who actually don’t stand for anything other than telling us one thing and then implementing the complete opposite. A neighbour of mine used to say they were blue and bluer – the Liberal party representing the rich and sucking in a whole lot of aspirational voters into thinking that meant them as well, while Labor is the try-hard party, trying to get the rich to like them as well, while still having problems with the unions. *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *.net noobie *Sent:* Saturday, 10 July 2010 1:24 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet Filter Liberals actually have 2 whole policies now I believe. Well that would be 2 more than Labor, lets face it, they just have a long line of disasters/failures/wasted many many billions and debt your great great grand children will still be paying off ;) But if I think you follow politics a bit more closely they have a few more positions/policies than 2 On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote: 'Tweedledum and Tweedledee 1,2,3,3' - The Albert Langer Story http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/CIB/1995-96/96cib14.htm -- Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia -- *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Ian Thomas *Sent:* Friday, 9 July 2010 5:08 PM *To:* 'ozDotNet' *Subject:* RE: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet Filter Greg I'm not sure if you remember Albert Langer (decades ago, in Victoria), but he was gaoled for a short time for infringing the electoral act by forming a political party called Tweedle Dum Tweedle Dee which encouraged people not to vote. Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia
Re: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once again delays Internet Filter
*I agree with you that voting shouldn't be compulsory* This is the reason we have one of the best systems in the world, people here are more aware, thus make better choices, sometimes they get fooled, as we have seen with this labour government. But still, to require your citizens to give up a hour or so every few years is not such a big request, if it means we are governed better. *Political Rant* *It's just one of the examples of this government continually refusing to listen to what the people want. I have always voted for Labour as I naively believed that their platform (which I prefer over the Liberal view of the world) would dictate their policy. Unfortunately it doesn't, so this will be the first election in more than 20 years that they will not be getting my vote.* */Political Rant* well I hope you realise now, the labour party are not about policy, if you look back in this last term, you will notice a regular paten, this is the liberals made suggestions, labour party slagged them off, said how stupid it was, then a week to two later would implement a rebranded version of this policy I hope you realise the labour party are about winning, regardless the cost to the Australian public, Rudd claimed to be a finical conservative, the first chance he got, he GAVE AWAY all the money we had in the bank, to try buy votes, then borrow truly unbelievable amounts of money to GIVE AWAY more things to BUY VOTES, stuffed it up, wasted Billions of dollars I also hope people listen to the language Rudd and now also Gillard use, they are dictator style leaders, Gillard is already a disaster, why labour kill off Rudd for her I'll never know, well actually I do know, they believed they had a better chance keeping their jobs, Gillard wanted make history, Swan wanted to be one step closer to the top job... Swan would be praying Gillard stuffs it up, because he's next inline Gillard, she is responsible for the BIGGEST Financial disaster by a government in my life time, she is responsible for all the policies that Rudd tried to implement, just as much as Rudd and Swan are, now they expect us to believe she is going to be different somehow I am Liberal, because there view is, I earn my money, I should decide how I spend it, I should not have to pay for things I DON'T want Labour, believe they know better than I do what is good for me, therefore they believe they should take as much as possible of my money and then decide how they will spend it for me... aka communists there is a reason the liberals have ruled this country for 2/3's of the last century, it's because the labour party is crap, and this current labour party are worse than any I have seen before in my life time P.s. I did not start this topic, so I don't want any crap for my political rant, like I have recived before On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:36 PM, David Connors da...@codify.com wrote: On 9 July 2010 19:07, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au wrote: Anyway, that's enough from me, have a good weekend everyone :P I'm fairly sure this thread will chug along quite strongly over the weekend. :) -- David Connors | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com Software Engineer Codify Pty Ltd Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417 189 363 V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
Re: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet Filter
Debt itself isn’t a problem, this is garbage debt does matter, it matters alot more debt = less options massive debt = no options and spending money for the sake of votes is also garbage i needed to make the correction also On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Tony Wright ton...@tpg.com.au wrote: Ah, naive, and so transparently biased. Labor do have a stack of policies, it’s just that they’re mostly failures. As opposed to Liberals who actually don’t stand for anything other than telling us one thing and then implementing the complete opposite. A neighbour of mine used to say they were blue and bluer – the Liberal party representing the rich and sucking in a whole lot of aspirational voters into thinking that meant them as well, while Labor is the try-hard party, trying to get the rich to like them as well, while still having problems with the unions. *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *.net noobie *Sent:* Saturday, 10 July 2010 1:24 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet Filter Liberals actually have 2 whole policies now I believe. Well that would be 2 more than Labor, lets face it, they just have a long line of disasters/failures/wasted many many billions and debt your great great grand children will still be paying off ;) But if I think you follow politics a bit more closely they have a few more positions/policies than 2 On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote: 'Tweedledum and Tweedledee 1,2,3,3' - The Albert Langer Story http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/CIB/1995-96/96cib14.htm -- Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia -- *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Ian Thomas *Sent:* Friday, 9 July 2010 5:08 PM *To:* 'ozDotNet' *Subject:* RE: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet Filter Greg I'm not sure if you remember Albert Langer (decades ago, in Victoria), but he was gaoled for a short time for infringing the electoral act by forming a political party called Tweedle Dum Tweedle Dee which encouraged people not to vote. Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia
Re: .NET Obfuscator Software..free!
http://www.babelfor.net *Protect software components realized with Microsoft .NET Framework in order to protect intellectual property and makes reverse engineering difficult.* * * *Supports .NET Framework 4.0 and Visual Studio 2010* I have never used it, just saved the link for a rainy day :) from this blog post http://www.andybeaulieu.com/Home/tabid/67/EntryID/198/Default.aspx Obfuscating Silverlight (for free) On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Anthony asale...@tpg.com.au wrote: I assume that if the client doesn’t ask for the code then i don’t give it out. I would increase my fee if they want the code anyway From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Michael Minutillo Sent: Thursday, 3 June 2010 3:07 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: .NET Obfuscator Software..free! Well most clients I have dealt with in the past end up with the source code. After all, clients have been accepting obfuscated code since time immemorial already! (Well, at least since the 1980s.) That's what compiled code is! Unless you wanted to reverse engineer to assembly language, pretty much everything was obfuscated. In the form of a product that is true. But if that were the case I would expect the OP would have wanted to obfuscate the entire solution. As there is a single binary to be obfuscated (and it gets used a lot) it sounds more likely that it is being used in custom software that is developed for a single client. For the client: If they purchase a library then they get a support contract so if things go wrong they get fixed If they use an open source library then they get the code so they can fix issues or pass them on to someone to fix. If the developer hands them a library which is neither they could be in trouble. If you are selling a product with support then this is OK because you have an agreement with the client that you'll fix anything that goes wrong. If you were to have a falling out with the client over an invoice or something (it happens) then they effectively have a piece of software that only you (someone they no longer wish to do business with) can maintain. As a client I would consider that an unacceptable risk. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Dylan Tusler dylan.tus...@sunshinecoast.qld.gov.au wrote: That is potentially a pretty dangerous risk for a client to accept isn't it? Unless it contains some kind of proprietary algorithm or something I'm not sure it's a great idea. That's a pretty weird point of view. After all, clients have been accepting obfuscated code since time immemorial already! (Well, at least since the 1980s.) That's what compiled code is! Unless you wanted to reverse engineer to assembly language, pretty much everything was obfuscated. Dylan. - To find out more about the Sunshine Coast Council, visit your local council office at Caloundra, Maroochydore, Nambour or Tewantin. Or, if you prefer, visit us on line at www.sunshinecoast.qld.gov.au This email, together with any attachments, is intended for the named recipient(s) only. Any form of review, disclosure, modification, distribution and or publication of this email message is prohibited without the express permission of the author. Please notify the sender immediately if you have received this email by mistake and delete it from your system. Unless otherwise stated, this email represents only the views of the sender and not the views of the Sunshine Coast Regional Council. maile 3_1_0 -- Michael M. Minutillo Indiscriminate Information Sponge Blog: http://wolfbyte-net.blogspot.com
Re: Add text to cursor location?
maybe you could do something like in this example, DrawCursorsOnForm http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/4w858ek0(v=VS.100).aspx combinded with something like this example http://www.switchonthecode.com/tutorials/csharp-snippet-tutorial-how-to-draw-text-on-an-image I have never tried this type of thing for a cursor myself I just read your post and this is how I would do my first attempt at it :) On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Anthony asale...@tpg.com.au wrote: Is it possible to add text to the cursor location. When i am loading a form..i have set the cursor.waitcursor but also want to add text! Possible? Is your website being IntelliXperienced?http://www.intellixperience.com/signup.aspx regards Anthony (*12QWERNB*) Is your website being IntelliXperienced?
Re: Crazy Friday.
Rx .NET is very cool and quite fun (if this is the Rx you mean) if anyone knows somw cool blog posts, code snippets or videos urls I would really appreciate them, as the doc's are a bit barren, there is a few I have found thanks :) On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Arjang Assadi arjang.ass...@gmail.comwrote: No, It did not, I was running late one day so now Saturday is my fiday, I try to catch up for next weeek though. PS : for sake of snaity watch some RX vids on Channel 9. Kind Regards Arjang On 21 May 2010 19:28, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au wrote: Did a Friday just pass with not only no craziness, no arguments, but no posts at all? Maybe Thursday is the new Friday, and everyone stayed in bed today -- Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au
Re: Re; [OT] Odd Question/Situation
I did Applied Physics (*Vegie Physics*) at first year university it covered all the lens stuff, it was actually quite interesting On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:13 PM, silky michaelsli...@gmail.com wrote: Got eye exam, got reading gleasses, But when there is zoom do we need gleasses? If we can change the size of what we read do we really need to use reading glasses (and keep the font the same size)? It just doesn't make sense , guess this is a question for Dr Carl! Assuming you have either Hyperopia (Far-sighted) or Myopia (Short-sighted), the answer would appear to be yes - you still need glasses (in agreement with others). From your description I'm assuming you have Hyperopia. This means that something has to be far away to be in focus. The reason for the issue, if I may, is that the eyeball is too short. This means that the focal point of the eye is actually *behind* the retina. So what you've got is some glasses that correct this, by creating a 'virtual' image (of the close object) at slightly further distance that you can actually focus at. So some lenses are created for you in the following fashion: 1/[normal near focal point: 25cm] + 1/[your actual focal point] = 1/[focal length] The final answer being something like: P = 3.3D (this might be on your presciption; you'll need to calculate the numbers yourself). Anyway, what I should probably have said, is that the size of the object has no bearing on whether it is in focus. For it to be in focus, the previous equation, called the lense-makers equation[1]: 1/[object distance] + 1/[image distance] = 1/[focal length] Must be satisfied. The eye can change its own focal length, so all the matters are the distances. Just because you make something larger doesn't mean its closer. Now, let it be said, I may have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about. I know it is not Friday Regards Arjang -- silky http://www.programmingbranch.com/ [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lens_%28optics%29 -- .net noobie™ = What is the 'Clean Feed'? No!!! Forced Australian Federal Government Internet Censorship http://nocleanfeed.com/
