date:20020907


I was thinking about asking about vaginal US last week as I listened to a
girlfriend tell me about her personal need to have two done to prove she was
pregnant. The first was done too early and they only saw a sack. It is
becoming the norm, her girlfriend has had numerous scans done as well due to
having miscarried once.
Women are more and more being taught how unreliable their bodies are at
having a baby.
We were under more pressure from well intentioned friends for not having an
ultrasound at all with nunmber three than I could have imagined. We read the
AIMS booklet on ultrasound, forget the title, great information and easy
enough for lay people to understand. Thoroughly recommend it.
Until birth is returned to women, their families and midwives I see this
type of care only increasing.

Megan.

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis

Sheena I am not a lactation consultant but a mum who has "suffered" from this.  With my first child I was given antibiotics (I was pretty sick) and advised to feed from both sides.  The doctor I saw said that (gross as it sounds) the babys suckling is one of the best forms of clearing the infected ducts and the baby will not become sick from this as the "bugs" in the milk that comes from the infected duct are killed by the stomach acid.
My mastitis cleared up within a couple of days and my son continued to thrive.
 
I would be interested to hear other opinions though.
 
Debby
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds


Hmmm - ultrasounds to confirm womens dates this early on - I thought that the 20wk ultrasound was supposed to do this.  Surely 20wks notice is sufficient of an impending birth if the OB wants an accurate date?  And this way the woman would only "have to have" one ultrasound in her pregnancy - maybe a pertinent argument as there seems to be some (questionable) link between autism and frequent ultrasounds.  I wonder if they would change their minds if this link was proven or if someone just tried to sue on the suspected risk anyway.  After all they are all scared of being sued for cerebal palsy caused by birth injury even though the evidence these days is that this condition is more likely a defect in formation than a problem caused by birth.
 
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Hmmm - ultrasounds to confirm womens dates this early on - I thought that the 20wk ultrasound was supposed to do this.  Surely 20wks notice is sufficient of an impending birth if the OB wants an accurate date?  And this way the woman would only "have to have" one ultrasound in her pregnancy - maybe a pertinent argument as there seems to be some (questionable) link between autism and frequent ultrasounds.  I wonder if they would change their minds if this link was proven or if someone just tried to sue on the suspected risk anyway.  After all they are all scared of being sued for cerebal palsy caused by birth injury even though the evidence these days is that this condition is more likely a defect in formation than a problem caused by birth.
 

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[ozmidwifery] Vaginal U/S

2002-09-07 Thread henk / eliza merbis




Hi List,
 
I was living in Holland when I was pregnant and had 
2 vaginal ultrasounds. The first one at 10 weeks (for a small bleed) and the 
second at 13 weeks (for nuchal fold test). I asked the Obst. why a vaginal 
u/sound, and he said that he could get a better view of the fetus at this early 
gestation. These were done by two different Obs. and is standard in the 1st 
trimester. The 20 week scan was abdominal.
 
Liza
 
PS. Jo - love your quote - " Babies are born  
Pizzas are delivered" 
(rings a bell somewhere 
)

[ozmidwifery] ABA endorsing NMAP ?





Hi Denise and 
list,
I asked an Adelaide 
ABA member (in an unnofficial way) to approach the board re NMAP , this is part 
of what she was able to reply to me
 
The reply that I have received back from one of the board 
members mentions the following concerns:
 

1. How well educated in the art of breastfeeding 
are the midwives? Will there be consistency of care and 
information?
 
2. What commitment to breastfeeding does this body 
have?
 
3. Are there any  WHO Code issues 
involved?
 
4. ABA probably doesn't have a 'place' entering a 
political sphere primarily between midwives and obstetricians.
 
There are big questions here that would need 
considerable discussion and the board feels that at this time they cannot 
justify the time and energy to pursue this cause.
 
There are so many 
response to this, even without  time and energy spent. 
 
Regards 

Megan
 
 

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  HyndSent: Friday, 6 September 2002 8:48To: 
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  night
  Barbara I have sent at least three e-mails to 
  the national ABA president asking the board to consider endorsing NMAP as the 
  breastfeeding outcomes of this option are excellent. But so far I have not had 
  a response?Can you please help??Denise hynd
  
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From: 
barbara 
glare & chris bright 
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Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 2:28 
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] sleepless 
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Dear Denise,
 
Yes, I am.
 
Love, Barb
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RE: [ozmidwifery] workshops




Hi 
Pinky,
do you 
ever travel with your workshops. I'm in Adelaide and would love to take part in 
one.
 
Megan.

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  kaySent: Thursday, 5 September 2002 2:33To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] 
  workshops
  Hi
  After all the talk of public liabilityI now find 
  myself being asked to provide public liability coverage for workshops !! I 
  need to do this to use the venue - has brought home how accepted is seems to 
  be for people not to accept personal responsibility for their choices/ 
  actions. 
   
  Will be putting the full outline on my website in 
  a few days, but am holding a toddler wweekend workshop and a series of Gentle 
  Beginnings as follows:
   
  
  Gentle 
  Beginnings
   
  Discover gentle parenting options 
  including how to calm and connect with your baby and enhance infant 
  development naturally without pressure, as well as how to nurture yourself and 
  your partner relationship. Gentle Beginnings, a series of six weekly workshops 
  for parents or parents-to-be with Pinky McKay , author of Parenting By Heart 
  and 100 Ways to Calm the Crying  
  commences 10.30am  Tuesday 
  15 October at Wyreena Community Arts Centre, Croydon. Cost $80 (incl 
  GST).  No extra charge for 
  partners.
   
  Bookings  [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phone 
  (03)98011997.

[ozmidwifery] training of Ambo's


hi all
does anyone know who trains the ambulance medico's on birth?
Spoken to a woman who had premature spont rupture of membranes and a
prolapse cord with twins. The ambo officers wanted her to transfer to
hospital on her back. A good 5 minute arguement followed as she tried to
convince them she would be travelling on all fours with bum in the air and
one hand holding in the cord. She won, but it should never have happened.
Later birthed by CS twin boys, all well.
So is there the option of teaching the people who work the ambulances on the
idea of "woman centred care".? Would this be done nationally or within each
state? Thinking it could be good to invite a representative to any
gatherings people have (coffe mornings etc) re women centred care and take
the oppurtunity to educate them.

Regards
Megan


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Gym balls/birth balls

2002-09-07 Thread Marilyn Kleidon




Please, please don't let anyone have a policy for 
the use of a gym ball. I am not against birth balls/gym balls but if we have to 
have a policy...do we have policies for teeth brushing? combing our hair? 
sitting on a chair? ahhh! marilyn

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Geoff 
  & Barb Stokes 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 4:40 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: Gym 
  balls/birth balls
  
  I am looking for information and policies for use 
  of gym balls in public hospitals.
  Thankyou,
  Barbara Stokes, Parkes, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis

2002-09-07 Thread Sandra J. Eales




You are right Sheena definitely tell her to keep 
feeding. The most important treatment is to get the breast flowing and the 
baby is by far the most effective way to do this.
Some doctors create more problems than they solve 
when it comes to Breastfeeding!
Also anytime mother or baby have been on 
antibiotics it is important to be aware of possibility thrush developing which 
can cause breastfeeding problems. Oral thrush may cause babe to alter 
how it attaches and so effect how it empties the breast and cause nipple 
damage.  Antibiotics also can play havoc with their gut and I have found 
that Natren Lifestart (bifidobacterium) will recover this.  
 
Sandra Eales

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sheena Johnson 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 1:04 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis
  
  Any of the lactation consultants out there 
  give me some advise on feeding on the affected breast if the woman has 
  mastitis. Ruby's mum has just got  mastitis after Ruby slept through for 
  5 hours. Just to make life really miserable Ruby has had bronchitis and is 
  also on antibiotics.
   
  The doctor advised Lynley not to feed off the 
  affected side but to express, I thought the thing to do was to keep on 
  feeding?
   
  Sheena 
Johnson

[ozmidwifery] For Sheena Johnson

2002-09-07 Thread Robyn Thompson


Dear Sheena
It is always better if the baby can work the mastitic breast.  The baby is
much more efficient than expressing.  Generally I teach women to place the
baby's chin over the affected area so the tongue and chin do the stripping
and get the pooled milk moving through the ducts.  It is always important
that the mouth to breast contact is good.  So women can be very creative
when placing the baby to the breast.  For example say the blocked area is in
the top of the left breast then the mother would lie down on the bed and
place her baby upside down and face down over her left shoulder so the chin
is over the affected area, that means the baby's feet would be up beside the
mothers head.

I also recommend ice cube packs on the heated area/s, not the cold gel packs
or frozen peas.  Cold reduces swelling inside the breast and removes the
heat.  Application of heat draws the area and can result in an abscess.
Suggest ice cubes in a plastic bag, enough to cover the affected area, (ice
is more effective - can use cold, soft cabbage leaves once the milk is
flowing), place a light handkerchief over the breast so the ice doesn't burn
the skin, then place the ice-pack on top of the hanky inside the bras and
leave till almost melted then re-freeze and use again.

Homeopathic oral Belladonna can remove heat from the breast also. There are
other homeopathics that assist with milk flow, so consult with the experts
on this.  Mastitis is inflammatory initially, if dealt with immediately can
reduce or eliminate the need for antibiotics.  The earliest signs are 'flu'
like symptoms and body aches with breast tenderness or hot spots. The baby
is always the most effective.  Sometimes the baby won't like the salty taste
of the milk which occurs with mastitis and sometimes the result is low
supply for a while.  The symptoms will resolve quickly once the pooled milk
starts flowing and the red area/s is usually the last to recede sometimes up
to 3 weeks.  The ultimate aim is to prevent the formation of a breast
abscess.

Good luck, kind regards 


Robyn Thompson

Melbourne Midwifery
Specialist Services  Pty Ltd  (abn 34 007 423 994)
Independent Midwifery Practice

Midwife Practitioner
*   Homebirth  
*   Lactation
*   Maternal & Child Health

www.melbmidwifery.com.au
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[ozmidwifery] Awards

2002-09-07 Thread Ricardo Herbert Jones




Just want to say something about 
rewards:
Yesterday I was looking at my records and 
found out that the in last 30 babies I helped to deliver there was just one 
c-section. It's a 3% rate !!
I am so happy with that !!
Robbie Davis-Floyd says that the most important 
fact that influences the results on the c-section rate, in any given place, is 
the individual perception of the caregiver. If this important actor in the birth 
scene trully and actually believes a woman can birth by her own capacity, he/she 
will make her believe in her inner strength.
I am just saying that because I work in a city 
whose middle class women have about 70% c-section rate.
Doctors here are as tecnocratic as possible, 
and not enough efforts are been made to change this situation by the 
public policy makers, or the medical board.
It's an epidemy, as stated by OMS and other 
organisations.
So... I think that it would be a good idea to 
reward doctors with low c-section rates.
But, it's just one of the 
possibilities...
I think that nothing really profound in this 
scenario will happen without the participation of the women involved. 
Humanization of Childbirth is giving protagonism in birth back to women and 
empower them.
 
Ric
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jo 
  & Dean Bainbridge 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 11:39 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] awards
  
  just going through some emails and found one from 
  back in June where Rhonda mentioned something about perhaps rewarding obs for 
  have the least cs could be an incentive.
   
  Well CARES is going to be awarding two hospitals 
  in SA for having the lowest cs rate in SA (less than 8%) and another for 
  providing optimal woman focused care for vbac.  The presentations will be 
  made during the C-Scape picnic. on wed
  Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES 
  SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 
  8388 6918birth with trust, faith & 
love...

[ozmidwifery] Mastitis

2002-09-07 Thread Sheena Johnson




Any of the lactation consultants out there give 
me some advise on feeding on the affected breast if the woman has mastitis. 
Ruby's mum has just got  mastitis after Ruby slept through for 5 hours. 
Just to make life really miserable Ruby has had bronchitis and is also on 
antibiotics.
 
The doctor advised Lynley not to feed off the 
affected side but to express, I thought the thing to do was to keep on 
feeding?
 
Sheena Johnson

[ozmidwifery] awards




just going through some emails and found one from 
back in June where Rhonda mentioned something about perhaps rewarding obs for 
have the least cs could be an incentive.
 
Well CARES is going to be awarding two hospitals in 
SA for having the lowest cs rate in SA (less than 8%) and another for providing 
optimal woman focused care for vbac.  The presentations will be made during 
the C-Scape picnic. on wed
Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 
08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith & love...

Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds



With my last child the doctor whom I was seeing to 
get into the bc for a vbac (yeah right!) asked me when my LNMP was and I was 
able to tell him the date we conceived.  He questioned that and said "I 
think you are a couple of weeks out there".  Now my hubby had gone to 
Sydney for a few weeks and we only has sex once before he left and due the 
limited opportunity allowed by our other children, the time before was a 
long and distant memory(imposed celibacy or sibling contraception don't you 
love it!  I am sure it is just a survival technique to ensure no more 
rivals!)
ANYWAY..this doctor would not take the fact 
that I knew when I conceived so I ended up asking him if he was hiding under the 
bed when Dean and I had sex?  He went red and promptly went on to tell me 
that "I didn't look good on paper to be in the birth centre"
WHAT IS IT WITH PROFESSIONALS 
NOT ACCEPTING THAT SOMETIMES THEY CAN BE WRONG?  
on the topic of Vag US, there is a private OB here 
who has an astronomical cs rate and surprise surprise she gives vag US every 
visit...
Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 
8388 6918birth with trust, faith & love...

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  From: 
  Justine Caines 
  To: OzMid List 
  Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 11:17 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal 
  ultrasounds
  
  They are routine where I work 
too... the obs use them to get more accurate dating.  Eventhough most 
women know pretty much exactly the date of their LNMP... he still does it, 
to make sure.Ack.Jo
Hi Jo and allAnother furphy I 
  suggest, as a vaginal US would be able to estimate the size of the foetus 
  better I assume but still only place it against the averages of 
  gestational sizes that US is based on, hence the +/- 2 weeks stuff. 
   The routine totally unnecessary use of US is the catalyst to the 
  induction craze.  Women must be told their due date, hang knowing 
  their own body, just throw it into the computer of averages!!As a 
  consumer I get so sick of women needing to be told  everything, 
  totally discounting their role as the maker and birther of a baby!! 
   At the same time I’m branded as a lunatic for taking responsibility 
  of my body and baby.  Funny thing is that after this total abdication 
  of responsibility in pregnancy and birth women are meant to fit back into 
  society as normal citizens taking responsibility for themselves and baby 
  (is this why we have so many post natal problems, women are lulled into a 
  false sense of security and then on Day 6 postnatally whammo!). The notion 
  of personal responsibility totally consistent with health policy for the 
  last 10 years, but policy makers and governments refuse to hold obstetrics 
  to account. I sincerely hope we are at the edge with the current 
  PI crisis and NMAP helping to transform maternity services in this 
  country.A little rattled this morningJustineMum and 
  responsible for Ruby nearly 3, Clancy 18 months and Will 2 
  months

[ozmidwifery] Sacred Singing

2002-09-07 Thread Vicki Chan

Title: Message



  
We are very happy that
 
    
Caitlin Devlin
 
 
celtic singer extraordinaire
 
    will 
be joining us as part of the
  "Intuitive 
Midwifery" Workshops
 
  It is going to be wonderful... do join 
us!
 
 
Vicki and Nic

Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds

2002-09-07 Thread Justine Caines

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds

They are routine where I work too... the obs use them to get more accurate dating. Eventhough most women know pretty much exactly the date of their LNMP... he still does it, to make sure.

Ack.

Hi Jo and all

Another furphy I suggest, as a vaginal US would be able to estimate the size of the foetus better I assume but still only place it against the averages of gestational sizes that US is based on, hence the +/- 2 weeks stuff. The routine totally unnecessary use of US is the catalyst to the induction craze. Women must be told their due date, hang knowing their own body, just throw it into the computer of averages!!

As a consumer I get so sick of women needing to be told everything, totally discounting their role as the maker and birther of a baby!! At the same time I’m branded as a lunatic for taking responsibility of my body and baby. Funny thing is that after this total abdication of responsibility in pregnancy and birth women are meant to fit back into society as normal citizens taking responsibility for themselves and baby (is this why we have so many post natal problems, women are lulled into a false sense of security and then on Day 6 postnatally whammo!). The notion of personal responsibility totally consistent with health policy for the last 10 years, but policy makers and governments refuse to hold obstetrics to account.

I sincerely hope we are at the edge with the current PI crisis and NMAP helping to transform maternity services in this country.

A little rattled this morning

Justine
Mum and responsible for Ruby nearly 3, Clancy 18 months and Will 2 months

RE: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: "The Doula Craze"

2002-09-07 Thread Vicki Chan

Title: Message



Right 
with you, Tina!
Vicki

  
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 5:32 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 
  Fwd: "The Doula Craze"In a message dated 9/6/2002 
  8:50:47 AM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  I hope to be able to get back to Brasil to do some more 
workshops for your nurses on the basics of being "with women". In the 
meantime, I have written a Diary entry 
http://www.birthinternational.com/diary/index.htmlon doulas that you 
might like to read. A bit controversial but I think these things need to 
be said.Look forward to seeing you 
  again!AndreaDear Andrea…Just to 
  add my two cents worth to the doula debate…I agree with your position on the 
  potential here to add another "layer of health professional" to our already 
  over medicalised maternity service….I too have great concerns about the 
  potential for hospital administrators to recognize the value of the doula to 
  the birthing woman (and more for their bottom line)…in preference to employing 
  more midwives….HOWEVER…having said all of that….I strongly support the work of 
  doula's to offer support for pregnant and birthing women….as Karen Arthur 
  argues so well…our current system doesn't allow midwives to provide the 
  continuous one-to-one support that doulas can provide….(roll on 
  NMAP!!)….Doula's can never detract from that much needed support of family and 
  friends….any doula worth her 'pinch of salt' would embrace the circle and 
  sanctity of family to enhance her work 'with woman'…..I see the very 
  argument used here against the "doula craze" …could also be employed to that 
  of lactation consultants….childbirth educators (with all due respect Andrea) 
  parenting educators etc.. The proliferation of all these 'professionals' has 
  only served to create layer upon layer of 'professional' who all seem to have 
  assumed such knowledge that was once considered to be midwifery knowledge and 
  women's innate "ways of knowing"…….only to be slowly eroded away with the 
  medicalisation of pregnancy and birth and the advancement of all these so 
  called 'experts'. In an ideal world…the professional doula…CBE's and 
  LC's, parenting educators etc etc…..would all be redundant. Women would live 
  and birth locally within their own communities with the local midwife/wise 
  woman in attendance…All this education and support…would be done informally as 
  part of the woman's preparation for birth…a community responsibly…integrated 
  throughout her life informed from life experiences….all normalizing the work 
  of labour, birth and motherhood….Sadly however…as we all know to well….this is 
  very much a romantic notion….as in today's society….birth like death has been 
  removed from our homes…our communities. We tend not to live by the seat of our 
  pants anymore…or follow our instincts or intuition…we live quite removed from 
  Mother Nature and all her splendors….Our family dynamics are 
  different….the nuclear family has shrunk and in some circumstances been 
  totally reoriented…our extended family (mothers.. grandmothers…sisters… aunts 
  etc..) is diminishing…so our 'mother/wise woman' role models are now 
  few…Therefore women have little experience with pregnancy, birthing, 
  breastfeeding and parenting…through the lived experiences of others…It isn't 
  until they find themselves doing it, with no real guides or role models for 
  advice/counsel or support, that they seek out more formal avenues for 
  information support and advice…hence the proliferation of the "doula craze" 
  that you describe…At this point in time… doulas are offering 
  women…what contemporary midwifery in this country cannot…a continuous 
  supportive presence during their labour and birth. As I see it, this is far 
  from "moves to undermine the humanizing of birth"…woman have taken steps to 
  humanize the experience for themselves and to devalue the doula in her 
  supporting role as "mothering the mother" ….is to devalue woman's right to 
  choice…when in our highly medicalised techno birthing world…choice is very 
  limited….I see that professional doulas will continue to grow in 
  popularity in the absence of a strong and autonomous midwifery profession. In 
  countries where there is a strong autonomous midwifery profession…. where 
  midwives can offer that one-to one continuity of carer….professional doula's 
  are very few….To turn the tide midwives need to make a conscious shift in 
  their thinking about their willingness and ability to provide midwifery led 
  care….until they do I believe that doula's will only continue to grow in 
  popularity….as midwives continued alliance with the medicalisation of 
  birthing….only continues to serve 'the system'…not the women in their 
  care….Yours in midw

RE: [ozmidwifery] Friends in Light

2002-09-07 Thread Vicki Chan

Hello Maria...and welcome!
Vicki
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Maria Helena
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:52 PM
To: ozmidwifery
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Friends in Light

I have just joined the list and the first e-mail I get is Ricardo`s! Ric
is a dear friend and a knight in shining armour that fights galently in
favour of all women giving birth in Brazil. He was telling you about our
project `Amigas na Luz` which could  be translated to Friends in Light,
but in Brazil the popular term to describe a woman who gives birth is
`to be shedding light`... Well, the idea of making this project with
doulas is because in urban centers, like Ric said, the birthing process
is the domain of doctors and very seldomly nurse-midwives. This scenario
is very hostile to women, specially because in the big cities the
quality of healthcare has become not at all woman centered as shown in
our high cesarean rates. The humanization of birth has to start with the
woman at the center of the birthing choices, and most women are not
informed of her options. Doctors simply have no time to explain what is
going on with pregnancy during pre natal visits, nor do they care what
kind of assistance a woman receives during labor and birth. What is
important is to deliver the baby the best way he thinks possible,
usually disregarding the needs and fears of the mother, less to say
disregard evidence based medicine!. And from a cultural point of view,
very much intertwined with our colonial past, women become passive and
accept that doctors decisions and any complications as God`s will. Since
we urge to take actions to change this, as NGO we started working the
idea to make a program with volunteers, from the comunity where the
Hospital is based, so they can act as an interface between the Hospital
and the woman. There will be a minimal training for them to be
considered doulas, since this is a very intuitive knowledge, but most of
all they will be prepared to shed the woman with confort and
information. Our intention is that the doulas will not substitute
neither the nurse-midwife (if there is any available) nor any family
members chosen by the woman herself. She will be there mostly for
emotional support and to make the woman feel respected. Like a friend!
We hope that we can sensibilize society and policy makers and help shed
some light in the hospitals and doctors. Maybe I am a dreamer in
thinking this way...who knows?

Maria Helena

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Gym balls/birth balls

2002-09-07 Thread JoFromOz




I use them all the time in women I am looking after.  
They usually are more receptive to it when not in full labour, ie. about to be 
induced.  I find it harder to introduce them if the woman is in full 
labour, as they are usually harder to convince to MOVE. :)
 
Most of my experience (limited!) recently is that the women 
love them... bouncing their way through contractions, giving them something else 
to think about apart from the pain - keeping balanced.  They are great for 
opening up the pelvic bones, and it is very hard NOT to relax the pelvic floor 
while sitting on one.  I have had some rather fast labours using the birth 
balls recently.. a few hours from start to finish, especially inductions in 
primigravidas.  They are most impressed!
 
HTH
 
Jo

[ozmidwifery] Re: Gym balls/birth balls

2002-09-07 Thread Geoff & Barb Stokes




I am looking for information and policies for use 
of gym balls in public hospitals.
Thankyou,
Barbara Stokes, Parkes, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[ozmidwifery] Post maturity Vs Post dates

2002-09-07 Thread JoFromOz




Women are being induced left, right and centre... No one is 
left to the end of full term.
I recently asked why a woman being induced for being 9 days 
over her EDB was labelled Post-term, when term is until the end of 42 weeks. 
I was told that they have changed the protocol.  Term is until 7 days 
over EDB now. Any one else heard of this?  And ... Any obstetrician 
'letting' a woman go over 10 days past her EDB will not be sleeping at night 
[waiting for FDIU, I assume].  Has the classification of post-term really 
changed?  I always write post-dates for women who are not post term (in the 
sense I was taught only last year!).  But they are still booked for 
induction for post term or post maturity.
 
Jo
 
Babies are Born... Pizzas are 
Delivered.

[ozmidwifery] The Jones

2002-09-07 Thread Ricardo Herbert Jones




Denise:
 
My grandparents were from 
England
My grandfather was Samuel Herbert 
Jones, and my grandmother was Maria Clotilde Messider Thorpe
They were cousins, and since my 
grandmother was going to marry (family pressure...) an old and rich guy in 
Manchester, my grandfather "kidnapped" her, and they both flew to Brasil. Here 
they had 8 children, one of them is my father.
So... I am delighted too, seeing 
people at the other side of this world that are "Herbert-Jones", like me, my 
father and my son...
That's a little village we 
live...
Isn't that?
Send my regards to Herbert Isaac 
Jones, wherever he is. Maybe, like grampa Sammy, he is no longer in this 
world...
Anyway, tell him that we are so proud 
here to belong to the "Jones Clan"...
 
Kisses from Brasil 
 
Ric
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Denise Hynd 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 8:29 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Doulas and 
  heroes
  
  Dear Ricardo,
  As a another complete aside I am 
  delighted with your name as Herbert (Isaac) Jones was the name of my maternal 
  grandfather.
  He was a man of the 1920's who kept 
  his hair the same cut and other things from when he married my grandmother 
  !!He frightened me  a little as a child but was very supportive when 
  I was an adult in a noble profession!
   
  Denise Hynd
   
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Ricardo Herbert 
Jones 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 9:32 
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Doulas and 
heroes

Hello tchurma...
 
I read Andrea´s article, and I 
agree with almost everything she says.
Anyway, let´s understand the 
"doula craze"  in different situations and contexts.
In tecnocratic contexts it is 
REALLY a blessing, because we still have so much work to be done in the 
direction of humanization of chilbirth.
In Australia, Holland, New 
Zealand, maybe they are not really necessary, or not too 
helpfull.
So.. we have different 
situations. Different countries and realities.
Doulas CAN make a difference in 
Brasil. But I dream of the day that they will be no longer 
necessary.
Obstetricians attending normal 
birth in my country (like me) IS the reality nowadays. The first thing 
to do is humanize these doctor´s atittudes, step by step.
Doulas and the presence of the 
family (or a chosen companion) in the obstetric room (believe me, it´s 
not a right here yet !!) are some of the steps.
But I dream of the day that 
doctors come to be heroes, just for the rare sittuation an intervention is 
absolutely necessary.
Each thing at each 
time...
 
Ric

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  MHS 
  Grové 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:36 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Doulas in 
  Brasil
  
  Hi there
  Here in South Africa we also see that midwifes dont have 
  time for this helping the mother.They are very few in veery busy ward 
  with a lot of clients birthing.In my area specific I know that doulas will 
  do such a lot but doulas are still very foreign.I recently attended a 
  birth in a ABU with a ob/gyn who is a midwifes dream because she have a 
  midwifes heart.I went in as a support person with the partner .I was a 
  waterbirth and after she settled I stand next to her and offered them a 
  cup of tea I mean the normal thing to do ...can still remember that cuppa 
  after my own baby.I went brought the tea stand next to her and see that 
  the baby latched she did it.Afterwards the midwife on duty who helped with 
  the birth  came to say to me please not to do it because I set 
  expectations that they cant met...To busy for a cup of 
  tea?
  Hettie GroveRN.RM.RCN.BA.CUR.ICCE.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Ricardo 
Herbert Jones 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 
1:50 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Doulas in 
Brasil

Dear Denise:
 
Next month (october) I will be in 
Cleveland, giving a lecture about Humanization on Childirth in Case 
Western University, showing my own experience with birth. It will 
take several years to transform birth in Brasil in a women centered 
and cientifically based assistance, and I honestly think that 
doulas is a valid way to do that.
I would love to know Sydney, and I am sure 
I will do that someday, bur still have to get enough money to do 
that.
Andrea... I will read the doula 
articles  you wrote, Andrea. 
I know it's controversial, but I don't 
think that allowing parents to enter the obst

Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds

2002-09-07 Thread JoFromOz




They are routine where I work too... the obs use them to get 
more accurate dating.  Eventhough most women know pretty much exactly the 
date of their LNMP... he still does it, to make sure.
 
Ack.
 
Jo

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mary 
  Murphy 
  To: list 
  Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 10:47 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal 
  ultrasounds
  
  There is an obstetrician in Perth who routinely performs vaginal 
  ultrasound in his rooms before 12 weeks gest.  Is this an accepted 
  practice and what would the reasons be for such a practice? MM

RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds

2002-09-07 Thread Ken Ward




Vaginal ultrasounds give a clearer picture, but why ultrasound 
everyone?  Look at what he is charging for this service. I once worked with 
a GP who was off on a O/S holiday. He did an awful lot of CTG's in the weeks 
leading up to departure. We discovered that he was charging for us doing the 
CTG's  [at a public hospital] and then charging to 'read' them. Seeing as 
how they never left the unit, we would ring him to say they were ok, [all were] 
we figured he was making spending money. We soon dobbed him 
in.   Maureen  -Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mary 
MurphySent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 10:47 AMTo: 
listSubject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds

  There is an obstetrician in Perth who routinely performs vaginal 
  ultrasound in his rooms before 12 weeks gest.  Is this an accepted 
  practice and what would the reasons be for such a practice? MM

RE: [ozmidwifery] followup on aca

2002-09-07 Thread Karen Arthur




Hi 
Jo
 
Unfortunately it was one of those things I intended to do, but due to 
kids, work, life in general - it got swept aside.  So no, I received no 
reply from the email I sent.
 
Kind 
regards 
 
Karen

  -Original Message-From: Jo & Dean Bainbridge 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Saturday, 7 September 2002 
  7:55 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 
  [ozmidwifery] followup on aca
  hi Karen
  just going through my 'in box' (there is heaps!) 
  and found this email from you..
  just wondering if you received a reply from 
  ACA?
  Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 
  8388 6918birth with trust, faith & love...
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Karen Arthur 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 6:31 
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] followup on 
aca

Thanks Jo, 
 
I 
had written a lengthy email of complaint as well and had wondered whether 
there was more clout in sending a hard copy letter.  As the viewer 
feedback states that there is no obligation on the station's part to reply 
to emails, I am now off to cut and paste.  It would be wonderful if we 
could get a story promoting the benefits of natural birth 
etc.
 
Kind regards
Karen 
Hunter Homebirth Support

  -Original Message-From: Jo & Dean Bainbridge 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2002 3:39 
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: Jackie 
  MawsonSubject: [ozmidwifery] followup on 
  aca
  
  Hi 
  everyone, 
  I was just as disgusted with the ACA thing that went to air 
  the other night.  I have also written my letter of complaint (via 
  email) to ACA and also done some investigating into the very likely 
  fact they will do sweet stuff all about it.  I have cut and pasted 
  some information from the FACTS web site (which is the 
  Federation 
  of Australian Commercial Television Stations (FACTS) is the 
  industry body which represents Australia’s 
  Commercial Free-To-Air Television stations 
  www.facts.org.au)
  and looked up the complaints facts sheet.  As the story 
  was very misleading and biased (as is most of their fish and chip 
  journalism) but the fact that the information could actually be harmful to 
  the population due its bias and misleading information, the ACA crew has 
  shown a far from acceptable duty of care to society, a complaint 
  should be taken more seriously.  
  To all those who wrote to ACA, if you don't get a reasonable 
  response, then you can take it further via FACTS.  They are really a 
  toothless tiger but in the very least we could get ACA to do 'the other 
  side of the story'.  
  I hope that this might be of help.  I know we are all 
  very busy at the moment anyway, but for those who took the precious spare 
  time to write a complaint to ACA, then you can make it worth it by 
  following up.
  cheers for now, 
  love to all 
  Viewer Feedback 
  
  The Commercial Television 
  Code 
  of Practice regulates most areas of programming and advertising on 
  commercial free-to-air television (this does not include the ABC, SBS or 
  pay TV).  
  
  
  If you have a comment or 
  complaint about something you have seen on free-to-air television, please 
  help us to respond to your comment/complaint by following the two step 
  guide below.  FACTS and the 
  free-to-air television networks welcome your comments and treat your 
  criticisms seriously.   
   
  If your would like more 
  information about the complaints process see section 7 of the Code 
  of Practice.  
  
   
  
  STEP 
  1
   
  Write a letter or 
  fax (step 2 
  explains who you should write to).  
  It is important you write as soon as possible.  Stations are only obliged to 
  provide a substantive written response to complaints about matters covered 
  by the Code where the complaint is received with 30 days of 
  broadcast.  Stations are not 
  required to respond to complaints sent by email.
   
  What information should your 
  complaint include?
   
  Your complaint should include 
  the following information:
   
  
Name of program or 
advertiser/product 
On what station you saw or 
heard the program/advertisement 
When and where you saw or 
heard it 
Reasons for your 
concerns 
Your name and 
address
  Write to the television 
  station
  Content of 
  news & current affairs eg: 
  accuracy, fairness, 
  invasion of privacy, objections to presenters/personalities 
  etc
   
  What if you are not 
  sure who to write to?

Re: [ozmidwifery] Doulas and heroes

2002-09-07 Thread Denise Hynd




Dear Ricardo,
As a another complete aside I am 
delighted with your name as Herbert (Isaac) Jones was the name of my maternal 
grandfather.
He was a man of the 1920's who kept 
his hair the same cut and other things from when he married my grandmother 
!!He frightened me  a little as a child but was very supportive when I 
was an adult in a noble profession!
 
Denise Hynd
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ricardo Herbert 
  Jones 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 9:32 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Doulas and 
  heroes
  
  Hello tchurma...
   
  I read Andrea´s article, and I 
  agree with almost everything she says.
  Anyway, let´s understand the "doula 
  craze"  in different situations and contexts.
  In tecnocratic contexts it is 
  REALLY a blessing, because we still have so much work to be done in the 
  direction of humanization of chilbirth.
  In Australia, Holland, New Zealand, 
  maybe they are not really necessary, or not too helpfull.
  So.. we have different situations. 
  Different countries and realities.
  Doulas CAN make a difference in 
  Brasil. But I dream of the day that they will be no longer 
  necessary.
  Obstetricians attending normal 
  birth in my country (like me) IS the reality nowadays. The first thing to 
  do is humanize these doctor´s atittudes, step by step.
  Doulas and the presence of the 
  family (or a chosen companion) in the obstetric room (believe me, it´s 
  not a right here yet !!) are some of the steps.
  But I dream of the day that doctors 
  come to be heroes, just for the rare sittuation an intervention is absolutely 
  necessary.
  Each thing at each 
  time...
   
  Ric
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
MHS 
Grové 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:36 
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Doulas in 
Brasil

Hi there
Here in South Africa we also see that midwifes dont have 
time for this helping the mother.They are very few in veery busy ward 
with a lot of clients birthing.In my area specific I know that doulas will 
do such a lot but doulas are still very foreign.I recently attended a birth 
in a ABU with a ob/gyn who is a midwifes dream because she have a midwifes 
heart.I went in as a support person with the partner .I was a waterbirth and 
after she settled I stand next to her and offered them a cup of tea I mean 
the normal thing to do ...can still remember that cuppa after my own baby.I 
went brought the tea stand next to her and see that the baby latched she did 
it.Afterwards the midwife on duty who helped with the birth  came to 
say to me please not to do it because I set expectations that they cant 
met...To busy for a cup of tea?
Hettie GroveRN.RM.RCN.BA.CUR.ICCE.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ricardo 
  Herbert Jones 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 1:50 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Doulas in 
  Brasil
  
  Dear Denise:
   
  Next month (october) I will be in Cleveland, 
  giving a lecture about Humanization on Childirth in Case Western 
  University, showing my own experience with birth. It will take 
  several years to transform birth in Brasil in a women centered 
  and cientifically based assistance, and I honestly think that doulas 
  is a valid way to do that.
  I would love to know Sydney, and I am sure I 
  will do that someday, bur still have to get enough money to do 
  that.
  Andrea... I will read the doula 
  articles  you wrote, Andrea. 
  I know it's controversial, but I don't think 
  that allowing parents to enter the obstetric ward colides with the idea of 
  having a doula to give assistance to the laboring woman.
  Nurses in my country don't have time to do 
  that. They are a few in the hospital, and are involved in burocratic 
  stuff. It's almost impossible to see a 1 to 1 care with nurses here. And, 
  besides that, universities in Brasil graduates nurses as tecnocratic as 
  doctors. That's a hard scenario, but that's why we all here... to change a 
  bit and to give a better world to our kids... :o)
  Anyway, I am opened to that discussion, and I 
  want to learn ALL the alternatives to give dignity and power to women 
  giving birth.
   
  Kisses !!!
   
  Ric
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Denise Hynd 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 
8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello - 
Brasil here...

Dear ricardo
Welcome 
Are you coming to the International meeting 
of OBs in Sydney next month??Denise hynd

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ricardo

Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds



This is probably a bit of an agressive attitude - but if there is no clinical justification for his practice, such as those suggested by the other ladies (IVF confirmations, suspected ectopic, etc) then isn't this tantamount to a form of sexual abuse - disguised but surely any procedure that is that "intimate" that is done without justifiable medical reason just can't be right.
I have only ever had one vaginal ultrasound in my life and that was for suspected ectopic and in that case it was done on OB referral to a qualified sonographer who first did an abdominal to see what she could view that way.  Even abdominally at 5wks gestation she was able to eliminate ectopic but did suspect a placental bleed.  She asked my permission to do the TV and explained why (the abdominal picture for such a small gestation is not clear) and I gave her permission - fortuneately it was just a small implantion bleed next to the gestation site and I am about to give birth to the baby any day - but this protocol seems much more professional than that which the OB in Perth seems to be doing.
If there is suspicion of suspected covert sexual abuse his actions should be reported to the AMA and the police.
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds

2002-09-07 Thread Judy Chapman


I feel as you do Sally. Was in the situation many years ago when I went for USS for a gynae problem and finished up with a totally unexpected vaginal USS. Felt violated. This was in a private radiology practice. 
Next time I was ready, it was in a public hospital and I was more prepared. Well handled by the staff. The male sonographer went out of the room and the RN gave me the probe so I could insert it myself under the covers. He then came back and reached under the covers to be able to direct it as necessary. A much less traumatic experience where I felt my dignity was more respected. 
Judy




From: "Sally Westbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds 
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 21:32:04 +0800 

"Doing the US vaginally rather than abdominally just means you don't 
need to bother with a full bladder I expect." 

I think we need to be careful about thinking this is a 'just' situation. 
Having something place in my vagina is an incredibly intimate and 
private act. There is nothing just about it.. If you would just take 
your pants off, I'll just put this in your vagina. 

I guess this is just a slip of the keyboard, but if we are not careful 
about the use of language and how that empowers and disempowers then who 
will. Huge power issues here. 

There is an incredible powerlessness if this became routine. I would 
rather have a full bladder than have a foreign object placed into my 
vagina by a doctor. Even if the doctor was someone I respected and 
trusted. I would still prefer not! 

Sorry I'm ranting. 

Sally Westbury 
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds

2002-09-07 Thread Sally Westbury









“Doing the US vaginally
rather than abdominally just means you don't need to bother with a full bladder
I expect.”

 

I think we need to be careful about thinking this is a ‘just’
situation. Having something place in my vagina is an incredibly intimate and
private act. There is nothing just about it.. If you
would just take your pants off, I’ll just put this in your vagina. 

 

I guess this is just a slip of the keyboard, but if we are
not careful about the use of language and how that empowers and disempowers then who will. Huge power issues here.

 

There is an incredible powerlessness if this became routine.
I would rather have a full bladder than have a foreign object placed into my
vagina by a doctor. Even if the doctor was someone I respected and trusted. I
would still prefer not!

 

Sorry I’m ranting.

 

Sally Westbury

Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds

2002-09-07 Thread Mary Murphy




Thank you for your replies.  I actually think we have none of those 
very valid reasons.  It makes me want to ring him up and object, or put a 
sign up outside his offices,  but I know it wouldn't be a good strategy, 
even for me.  MM

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Marilyn 
  Kleidon 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 5:30 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal 
  ultrasounds
  
  The most common reason I have found for early u/s 
  is infertility. I had a couple of clients in the Seattle who were undergoing 
  fertility treatment and they had weekly u/s plus serial HCG titres done by the 
  fertility clinic routinely. These were IVF clients I seem to recall. Both of 
  these ladies transferred care to our midwifery clinic once their pregnancy was 
  established. For one of these women the u/s had become very reassuring so when 
  at 10 weeks we were unable to detect a heartbeat with a doppler (also u/s , I 
  know) she requested being sent back to the clinic for a vaginal u/s despite 
  our advice, all was ok and she went on to have a lovely birth. So, maybe this 
  OB is a fertility specialist? The only other reasons I know of for doing a 
  Vaginal u/s would be suspicion of an ectopic pregnancy and to accurately date 
  the pregnancy for an abortion. marilyn
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Mary 
Murphy 
To: list 
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 5:47 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal 
ultrasounds

There is an obstetrician in Perth who routinely performs vaginal 
ultrasound in his rooms before 12 weeks gest.  Is this an accepted 
practice and what would the reasons be for such a practice? MM

[ozmidwifery] Appeal -Help make the NMAP happen!!

2002-09-07 Thread Vernon at Stringybark


Dear fellow NMAP supporter!

Things are really hotting up with the National maternity Action Plan (NMAP)!

The public launch is planned for 24 September and looks like being very
successful.  Press conferences are being held in Canberra, Sydney,
Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth.  We've also started work on the
post-launch strategy for ensuring that NMAP is seriously considered by
governments.  

What we need now is some money to help finance the NMAP launch and
post-launch advocacy.

I am writing this to appeal to you to make a donation to the Maternity
Coalition to this end.  Maternity Coalition now has branches in every State
(except Tas and NT) and is planning to underwrite much of the cost of the
launch.  We have set up a special NMAP fund in our accounts to ensure money
raised is spent on NMAP business.

Andrea Robertson and her team have already made a very generous contribution
to the launch costs - thankyou Andrea!!  Vicki Chan has developed and
printed a fabulous NMAP poster and MPs across Australia are helping out
along the way with small amounts of photocopying etc.  But we still need to
finance posters, postcards and other costs to support the launch!!

Please make a donation today!  Every dollar will help!  And all donations
are tax deductible.

Please send cheque (written out to the Maternity
Coalition) or moneyorder (sorry, we're working on credit card but not there
yet) to:

The NMAP Fund
c/- The Treasurer
Maternity Coalition
PO Box 1190
Blackburn North  Vic 3130

If you would like a receipt pls include a stamped self addressed envelope.

Thnakyou!!

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Re: [ozmidwifery] followup on aca




hi Karen
just going through my 'in box' (there is heaps!) 
and found this email from you..
just wondering if you received a reply from 
ACA?
Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 
8388 6918birth with trust, faith & love...

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Karen Arthur 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 6:31 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] followup on 
  aca
  
  Thanks Jo, 
   
  I 
  had written a lengthy email of complaint as well and had wondered whether 
  there was more clout in sending a hard copy letter.  As the viewer 
  feedback states that there is no obligation on the station's part to reply to 
  emails, I am now off to cut and paste.  It would be wonderful if we could 
  get a story promoting the benefits of natural birth etc.
   
  Kind 
  regards
  Karen 
  Hunter Homebirth Support
  
-Original Message-From: Jo & Dean Bainbridge 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2002 3:39 
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: Jackie 
MawsonSubject: [ozmidwifery] followup on aca

Hi everyone, 

I was just as disgusted with the ACA thing that went to air 
the other night.  I have also written my letter of complaint (via 
email) to ACA and also done some investigating into the very likely 
fact they will do sweet stuff all about it.  I have cut and pasted 
some information from the FACTS web site (which is the 
Federation 
of Australian Commercial Television Stations (FACTS) is the 
industry body which represents Australia’s 
Commercial Free-To-Air Television stations 
www.facts.org.au)
and looked up the complaints facts sheet.  As the story 
was very misleading and biased (as is most of their fish and chip 
journalism) but the fact that the information could actually be harmful to 
the population due its bias and misleading information, the ACA crew has 
shown a far from acceptable duty of care to society, a complaint should 
be taken more seriously.  
To all those who wrote to ACA, if you don't get a reasonable 
response, then you can take it further via FACTS.  They are really a 
toothless tiger but in the very least we could get ACA to do 'the other side 
of the story'.  
I hope that this might be of help.  I know we are all 
very busy at the moment anyway, but for those who took the precious spare 
time to write a complaint to ACA, then you can make it worth it by following 
up.
cheers for now, 
love to all 
Viewer Feedback 
The Commercial Television Code 
of Practice regulates most areas of programming and advertising on 
commercial free-to-air television (this does not include the ABC, SBS or pay 
TV).  

If you have a comment or 
complaint about something you have seen on free-to-air television, please 
help us to respond to your comment/complaint by following the two step guide 
below.  FACTS and the 
free-to-air television networks welcome your comments and treat your 
criticisms seriously.   
 
If your would like more 
information about the complaints process see section 7 of the Code 
of Practice.  

 

STEP 1
 
Write a letter or 
fax (step 2 
explains who you should write to).  
It is important you write as soon as possible.  Stations are only obliged to provide 
a substantive written response to complaints about matters covered by the 
Code where the complaint is received with 30 days of broadcast.  Stations are not required to respond 
to complaints sent by email.
 
What information should your 
complaint include?
 
Your complaint should include 
the following information:
 

  Name of program or 
  advertiser/product 
  On what station you saw or 
  heard the program/advertisement 
  When and where you saw or 
  heard it 
  Reasons for your 
  concerns 
  Your name and 
  address
Write to the television 
station
Content of 
news & current affairs eg: 
accuracy, fairness, 
invasion of privacy, objections to presenters/personalities 
etc
 
What if you are not sure 
who to write to?
 
If you write to FACTS about 
something that you should have written to a television station or the 
Advertising Standards Bureau about, we will forward your letter to the 
correct organisation.  We will 
write to you to let you know we have done this. 
 
When should you expect to 
receive a reply?
 
The Code requires a station to 
respond to you within 30 working days of receiving a complaint about a 
matter covered by the Code 
of Practice.  

 
What can you do if you don’t 
receive a reply or you do not consider the reply to be 
adequate?
 
If the station has not written 
back to you within 6

[ozmidwifery] interesting study




Found this interesting study
 
A study in Sydney showed that the kind 
of male face a woman finds attractivecan differ depending on where a woman 
is in her menstrual cycle.For instance: if she is ovulating she is 
attracted to men with rugged,masculine features;and..If 
she is premenstrual, she is more prone to be attracted to a man with scissors 
shoved in his temple and a bat jammed up his arse.
 
sorry, but it was funny...
Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] purple hearts