Re: [ozmidwifery] Morning sickness
Hi, I used the sea bands with my 3rd 4th pregnancies think they are wonderful. By the time I was pregnant with the fourth I couldn't stand the smell, taste, or thought of ginger... I did use the tablets though to try get me over the worst of it. Good Luck... hope you find some relief. Regards, Tina H (Brisbane) - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:11 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Morning sickness Some women have had success with sea sickness bands. If you dont like ginger what about taking ginger tablets? Poor darling Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife "It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her." -Judy Slome Cohain -Original Message-From: owner-[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Megan and SeanSent: Wednesday, 29 September 2004 8:12 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Morning sickness Jo, you have all my sympathy, I know just how you feel. I have in the past and with this pregnancy tried everything I have heard of without much success. I have come to the stage where I think that there is very little you can do but: 1. REST- I take that desire to hybernate as a good message. The more tired you are the worse you feel so try to get early nights and nap as often as you can. 2. EAT- small amounts of food frequently, I mean at least every 2 hours. I find that the nausea increases on an empty stomach. and try to eat before going to bed, makes the night and morning more bearable. 3. DRINK- sip small amounts frequently, flavour water with a dash of citrus like lemon or lime, or other flavour. try icecubes of various flavours. 4. BE KIND TO YOURSELF- You might not feel better, but some days you will cope better! Do what you can on your good days, and don't be hard on yourself on the days that you feel like crap and don't get as much done. After all tomorrow could be a good day! Let us know how you go, Megan (23 weeks to go till no spew day!!!) - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:46 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Morning sickness Jo wrote Also, I was wondering if anyone had any bright ideas to fix morning sickness please!! I feel nauseous all the time - constantly... I don't actually vomit very often, but all I want to do is stay in bed and sleep through the nausea, because that is the only time I feel ok.-- Jjo, I would suggest you talk to a homoeopath or accupuncturist. If you email me off list I can give you the names of some local practitioners. Poor you!!! M
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: News
Congratulations Jo. How exciting... hope all goes to plan. Regards Tina H. (Brisbane) - Original Message - From: JoFromOz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 12:00 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: News Hi all :) I've been offline for the last 2 weeks as I was in Melbourne and then we moved into our new home! Not only that, but my partner of almost 7 years, Matthew, proposed to me very romantically when I opened the front door to our new home with the key. :) So I am all a bit excited now! We will get married sometime in the summer either in our backyard or in our living area, depending on the weather :) Babies nottoo long after that, I hope! Just had to share :) Great news about the Victorian Midwifery scheme, too. Love, Jo -- Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered. aleabanr.gifLeaves Bkgrd.jpg
[ozmidwifery] my baby is 1 today
Hi all, Just letting you all know my little one is 1 today. How this past year has flown by. Also Lieve, I remember that baby Lars was born within days of Jay. If you are still in contact with his family can you please let them know that I am thinking of them all. I am sure Lars his family will be in my thoughts at this time of year for many years to come. Thankyou. Tina H. Brisbane. PS. Congratulations on your good news Maureen.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Quote of the Week - traumatic twin birth
Congratulations to you your family Justine. I hope all went well. Best wishes, Tina H. - Original Message - From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Quote of the Week - traumatic twin birth Here Here Andrea I love that strategy and use it as a consumer. I would be most interested to see the evidence that backs your claim Geesje I hope you will be part of the MC National Day of Action (Saturday May 8). The NSW day is to be held at Camden/Campbelltown to give Mr Latham a very clear message that the federal government need to be more active in the promotion of best practice maternity care as the states are doing a pretty lousy job, and particularly that Latham needs to walk his talk re community and personal responsibility and family and all the rest!!! Justine PS: New babe (Feb 28 9.15 am, another boy, Tobias Michael, 3.6kg and so far a gentle soul) - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Quote of the Week - traumatic twin birth Hello Geesje, When doctors start quoting the research like this, they are often talking through their hat. Since he is apparently up to date with the research, why not ask him to produce the evidence he is using as the basis for his practice? It shouldn't be up to you to find something to refute his claims, but his responsibility to provide the research he is using. Doctors will get away with making these kinds of wild claims unless we start questioning them. I was contacted recently by an obstetrician who wanted to challenge something I have written in Preparing for Birth: Mothers. He claimed that there was research that showed one of my statements was wrong and he said I should change what I have written so that I am not scaring the women. I wrote a friendly reply, asking that he give me the reference he was quoting, so I could be sure to have my information correct. I pointed out that I would gladly make changes but would only do so if I had reliable research evidence. Until then, my book would remain unchanged. I am still waiting to hear back from him! My suspicion is that he didn't think I would call his bluff, but take his word for it. How about trying this tack with this obstetrician. You could quite easily say that you want to make sure your practice is evidence based, and would welcome an update on this research that you must have missed. it would be interesting to see how he handles this! Challenging him in this way might also help you to feel a bit better about this awful outcome and perhaps make him think twice before trying it again. Best wishes, Andrea At 11:53 PM 5/03/2004, Geesje and Steve wrote: Hi, Why do obstetrcians not see this? I'm hoping someone can help me. I'm sorry if I don't make much sense but I'm very upset and full of emotions after witnessing a horrific twins birth last night. It was the worst birth I've ever seen in the 20 years that I have been in midwifery. My grandfather's vet did a gentler job with the cows! And to make it worse the obstetrician thought he had done a brilliant job! He got both twins out within 8 minutes. On questioning prior to the birth, on how long he would wait for the second twin to engage he said that he aims to get the second twin out 5-10 minutes after the first because this is what all the research advises. If you wait you're only waiting for trouble . Silly me thought he was going to wait at least one contraction to see what happened. How wrong I was.. . Now if anyone keeps up with research, it's me! But I have not read that it is advisable to act, instead of wait to see if the second twin engages, especially if they are both cephalic - like these twins were. Can anyone tell me where I can find the research that states that an epidural in a twin labour is best practice and the research that states that the second twin should be born (with of without force) as soon as possible after the first. As well as any resaerch that disputes this. Being Dutch and having worked as a homebirth midwife in Holland I have always had reservations on supporting high risk births at home but after seeing what happened last night I can fully understand why some women seek homebirths for high risk births. Geesje From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mary Murphy To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]list Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Quote of the Week From Midwifery Today: H. Deutsch, a psychologist active in the 1940s, knew that at the time of birth, it is not just a vagina that is opening, the woman's entire psyche is open and vulnerable. - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth
Re: [ozmidwifery] Some exciting news! :-)
Good Luck. What an exciting opportunity. Take care travel safe when it comes time. (Is your whole family going how long is the course?) Best wishes, Tina H. (Brisbane) - Original Message - From: Victoria Couldwell To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:45 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Some exciting news! :-) Hi all! I have sat back, quietly, for some time, on this list and enjoyed the interesting topics, debates and discussions. I'm sure I introduced myself earlier when I first joined. Just in case, I am in Sydney, 27 years old, mother of 2, doula and hoping to do BMid when it starts in Sydney.ANYWAY, to cut a long story short, it looks like I won't have to wait for Sydney!I have just received an offer to study BMid in Scotland at the University of Stirling! I am so excited! I cannot wait! I start this September, 2004.Wish me luck! Victoria E-mail just got a whole lot better. New ninemsn Premium. Upgrade now! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] New Arrival
Congratulations Barb family. What a special gift. I hope all goes well for you your family. Love Tina H. (Brisbane). - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 1:59 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] New Arrival Hi, Just wanted to introduce our newest family member. Barb, Chris, Zac, Daniel and Cassie welcome our daughter and sister, Guan Jasmine Bright. Guan is 11mnths old, and we have adopted her from China. We did not give you life, but life has given us the gift of you Love, Barb Glare Mum of Zac, 10, Daniel, 8, Cassie, 5 and Guan 11mnths. ABA Calendar and poster orders to [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.abavic.asn.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] first catch at home...
Dear Tania, All I can say is WOW. How wonderfull. Tina H. (Brisbane) - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 5:14 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] first catch at home... Well I'm quite elated and a little bit tired, after being called out at 3am this morning, and then my Midwife colleague being called away for another birth (isn't that something that never happens...?), I caught my first baby as a RM, at home, and this baby decided to come into the world feet first. WOW!! Can't tell you how many things were going around in my head during the birth, but I think I remained calm on the exterior, or so I'm told! Result - 3.4kg baby girl, 2 3/4 hourestablished labour, SROM in water with some fresh thin mec, and then out came the feet, stood up, body, arms, and then after one little push, a gorgeous round36cm head, all caught on video by a wonderful friend of the woman. And I was wonderfully supported by a midwife friend who came to act as a spare pair of hands/photographer, water carrier.what a joy and comfort it was to share it with her! Gotta sleep, but wanted to share, what an amazing experience for us all!! Tania
Re: [ozmidwifery] Nathaniel's birth story...Warning Long.
Sonia, Your story had me crying, but I could not stop reading. Thankyou for sharing with us. I believe I have learnt a few things from you for my life as both a mother a midwife. Thankyou again god bless your family. Tina H. (Brisbane). - Original Message - From: *G and S* [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:14 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Nathaniel's birth story...Warning Long. NATHANIEL'S BIRTH Nine short months have passed since Nathaniel's birth. He is a sweet-natured baby, very placid and incredibly patient. Just like his father. There is no hint in his nature of his traumatic birth. As we are natural family planners, and my cycle was very predictable, I knew at only three weeks that I needed a pregnancy test. My husband (Gh) and I were overjoyed when that faint pink line appeared on the test. This would be our fifth child; two in nappies and all under ten. I began to brace myself for another long sojourn through pregnancy. My due date was 7th January, 2003. At sixteen weeks, I took those first few official pregnancy steps and visited an obstetrician recommended by a couple of close friends. They did tell me that he was a little 'laid back', but all the same, they thought he would suit me. Boy were they wrong! Yes, he was very pleasant and relaxed. He, however, required me to strip down to nothing for the initial examination. I clutched anxiously at my bra hoping to keep some semblance of dignity but alas that was to go with the rest of my attire. Some women might feel fine about this form of 'thoroughness', but for me, having nursed people and respected their vulnerability, I was not at all impressed. So, after consulting a midwife friend, I transferred to another obstetrician (Pob). He seemed just fine. Apart from my routine discomforts and sleeplessness, my pregnancy had coasted along nicely. There was no sign of the blood pressure problems I had in previous pregnancies. I recall more than once saying to Pob 'There's got to be a catch'. And there was. At thirty-eight weeks, Pob remarked that I was carrying high, as usual. But he seemed to stop and rethink. A quick ultrasound confirmed that my baby was breech. I knew immediately that this would mean my first caesarian section. I cried from shock, from fear and anxiety. Pob meanwhile found the necessary paperwork. I filled out the forms and even went straight to the anaesthetists' rooms, all the while in a state of disbelief. I had not counted on major abdominal surgery being a part of my baby's birth. The c.section was booked for the end of that week. I went into hospital the evening before, as I was quite anxious. I knew that a caesarian section wasn't to be undertaken light-heartedly and it pains me now to hear of women requesting this proceedure for convenience or to avoid the pain of birthing. That night, a final ultrasound estimated my baby's weight (wrongly as it turned out) at 11 lbs 1 oz. And of course he had turned! After some discussion with Pob, we decided to go ahead with the c.section as planned, because of the unstable lie factor. The alternative was to wait a week or more in hospital. The next morning I woke at 6.30 and was promptly seen by a rather bleary-eyed anaesthetist. Pob came in soon after and felt my abdomen. He now thought that baby was transverse. I was becoming more and more uptight by the minute. Gh was with me the whole time and was quietly reassuring. Down in theatre I was pleased to meet the assisting doctor, who was a semi-retired obstetrician. His name was always mentioned with great reverence and affection. I felt some comfort knowing he was there but I still had a great sense of unease. As the spinal anaesthetic was administered, I was able to look out a window. I remember seeing a woman walking her dog over vacant land. I longed to change places with that woman. I was soon brought back to reality when my blood pressure suddenly went up. It was brought down with some pharmaceutical intervention and I immediately vomited. Gh arrived soon after, dressed in his glamorous theatre gear, and was seated beside me. The procedure began. You make me feel like a natural woman (ha ha) was playing in the background. Pob was telling us what he was doing step by step. Suddenly there was nothing. No music, talking - nothing. The only thing I remember was the occasional mumble from the obstetricians. I really have no idea how long it was until my baby was born. They didn't give me my baby right away. A pediatrician whisked him aside. Pob popped his head over the still-raised screen to explain what had happened. Apparently as he cut transversely through the wall of my uterus, he had severed an unseen venous sinus. It was about the size of two thumbs put together. I had suddenly started to haemorrhage. The older obstetrician assisting later told me that in all his years of practice, he had
Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long
Jan, This brought tears to my eyes.How dare this woman her partner (baby) be treated this way. Tina H. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 7:46 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long THEY ARE A HEALTHY HAPPY, WELL PREPARED AND CONFIDENT COUPLE BOOKED INTO BIRTH CENTRE AN TAKING MW ALONG 1ST BABE TERM PLUS 5 DAYS srom SMIDGEN OF MEC CTG PERFECT 2hrs later and she is in good labour standing with monitor on working happily adjusted well with transfer and then the grand pooh barr arrives minimal intro of self no intro of others [4 others in total] up on bed umm get the portable U/S and see what the PP part is. Oh its head first she says he glares at her they rush to his command TO GET THE U/S MACHINE I introduce myself he nods I ask if he knows I am an independent midwife he tells me he knows EVERY THINGignores me and turns to woman glumly he says I am sorryu have meconium do u know what that means? yes she said that is why I am here the baby has done a pooh and thetas probablynormal but I will need to adjust my birthing plans to include the monitor meconium is serious HE SAYS yesterday a baby died because of meconium all nod the young dad to be bravely said but our baby looks great on monitor nothing to do with it this baby was on monitor and by the time we got to theatreit was dead sigh meconium we could do a c/Ds now and hope for best she looked defeated he cried in fear and they all stood behind him looking grave and nodding and I thought wow is this for real? This is why one to one midwifery care from a known midwife must happen to stop this abuse Jan
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sensuously Special Pre-natal session
Hi Julie, Do you know of anywhere in Brisbane that runs pre-natal sessions such as yours. This sounds so amazing... makes me envious that I found nothing like that during any of my pregnancies. Keep up the wonderful work. Tina H. - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: Ozmidwifery Mailing List Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sensuously Special Pre-natal session Hi fellow listers, I had a pre-natal session last night which was such a pleasure I thought Id share it with you it was one of those very memorable magical nights This class is a little different in that it is an open group and unstructured. The couples who choose to attend do not have to book in, they can come and go on a weekly basis, and only pay for the night they attend. It is totally unstructured except for commencing with a breath awareness relaxation and finishing with a relaxation/visualisation. The theme alternates from one week to the next between Birth and Babies, so its kept very broad and caters to the groups needs. We commenced with a 20-minute breath awareness relaxation music by Enya Watermark. Aromatherapy oil vaporising was mandarin, which is light fresh and uplifting. They enjoyed it and relaxed well in the darkness with just a touch of light streaming in from the hallway. Towards the end of the relaxation, I asked the women to place their 2 hands on their belly and send a message of love to their baby then I asked the partners to place a hand also on the belly and send a message of love to the baby too. They all did it easily and some smiled lightly. Then I encouraged a long stretch before slowly sitting back up. After the relaxation, I put on only one set of lights to try to maintain the mood of peacefulness. Next an ice-breaker: a quick go around of the group with each person introducing their partner saying how many weeks pregnant or for the women how many weeks to go before their partner becomes a Dad, and then what positive quality / character trait they possess now that you believe they will bring to parenting. Their responses were beautiful Love, gentleness, patience, kindness, sense of humour, warmth Then I guided them into the siting back to back exercise and guided them through an awareness of each other, the other persons breathing, their movement, their warmth, through a brief exercise of gently leaning on each other I talked to them about working as a team throughout labour and parenting, trusting, supporting, caring I then asked them to stay in that position, taking hold of their partners hands and resting for a moment then giving a gentle squeeze as a gesture of thanks for the support. I then asked them to move (still only in their couples) face to face, closely and to give feedback about how that exercise felt for them privately, not sharing to the group they giggled and held each other, arms and legs entwined, rubbed noses Maori style, kissed, smiled and hugged. They talked very quietly, leaning on each other, quite intimately for several minutes. They were quite joyous, lots of smiling. Afterwards I got the women to relax luxuriously back onto their beanbags and I gave each of the partners a towel and lots of lavender massage oil to set them up for foot massage I didnt give them instructions these couples were connected enough; they knew how to touch each other. Whilst the partners were massaging I showed them the video A Timeless Way a history of birth they laughed out loud at the part where the old 1950s footage has a doctor speaking saying There is a variety of medications available from gas to caudal etc however you will leave the decision to the doctor as to which medication will be required for you In the debrief period after the video they brought it up again and laughed again saying things like wow wasnt it different in the old days!! Then we had a quick cuppa break they received the chocy bickies that my Tuesday nights class had left behind they devoured them! We finished with a long relaxation visualisation I let them choose which one they wanted they came up with a giving birth visualisation I think they were feeling confident, empowered, and ready to face the challenge of visualising going through labour and birth. Afterwards they gave lots of positive feedback about different aspects of the visualisation powerful, helpful, liked the words, feel ready now. One of the women is due in only 5 days, so we finished with me saying to her on behalf of the rest of the group please take our warmest wishes with you they all then murmured some supportive comments to her too, and I invited them to return to show us their
Re: [ozmidwifery] biting baby and breast pain.
-- Hi Cheryl, I remember my second child used to bite more than my first third (fourth is cutting his first tiny sharp teeth at the moment). I can't remember any specific thing that I did to stop it other than taking them off the breast for a few minutes each time. The biting never lasted long though in each case. With my second I could often tell when he was going to do it if required I would say, no biting take him off the breast. With my third I found that he actually tended to do it more when falling asleep comfort sucking (I think he was about 2.5yo when this was at it's worst). I could just slip him off at that time. I always had a rusk (or something hard to chew) handy during teething also. I can't actually remember biting to be worse during teething though. I feel what Pinky said about overtiredness etc to be true. With my 1st I had mastitis once, with my second no mastitis, with my third I had mastitis at least 3 times that I remember (most tired, sole parenting at the time most stressed). I had it when this baby was 1 week old (I put it down to rapid weight loss post birth overtiredness among other things). I too suffer breast pain although not as frequently as you. When it starts I think that I have another bout of mastitis coming on... so I take it easy slow down if possible, take better care of myself for a few days, make sure I keep that breast empty watch what bra I wear. It is becoming less frequent as my baby gets older (he is now 5.5mths). I hope your pain gets better quickly for you. Good Luck. Tina H. --- Original Message - From: Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 6:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] biting baby and breast pain. Two questons: 1. For all those wonderful women who feed long-term with baby's with teeth - how did you stop them repeatedly biting? Especially when cutting more teeth? 2. Had 3 doses of mastitis with second baby in (L) breast. No mastitis with Kate, she is approaching 8 months, although get really bad breast tenderness and pain at times (every 2-3 weeks or so for 24 hours) in this breast. She prefers the (R) side, always feeds first from that side. Will I continue to get this pain until I finish feeding - hopefully not for months yet? Cheryl _ Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] new baby
Title: National Caesarean Awareness Day 2003. Congratulations Lyn ( too your husband also), I bet she is beautiful. Here's to a wonderful life for baby Alexandra (after a wonderful start). Tina H. - Original Message - From: Lyn Cottee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:49 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] new baby Dear List, Id like to announce the birth of my baby daughter, Alexandra (Sascha) Arwen at 00:02 August 13 at the Birth Centre in Moorabbin. After an intense 4 hour labour, mostly in the water at the centre, I birthed her using a birthing stool with my mother and husband in attendance. She weighed 3620g, HC 37cm, length 49cm and is absolutely beautiful. She took to the breast right away (and hasnt moved off it since!) and the placenta was naturally birthed soon afterwards. Id like to thank the List for being a source of information and inspiration and a key factor in helping me to have the most natural, enjoyable birthing experience possible. It is a travesty that the existence of the BC is even in question and now that Im getting back to work Ill be much more vocal in the campaign to keep it open. Cheers, Lyn Cottee
Re: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas for research and mosiac?
Hi Joanne, This is not an idea for your question. I was just wondering if you were the same person I worked a night shift with once at a private hospital in Brisbane. I think I worked with you Jill another agency midwife. I was very pregnant with my fourth baby it would have been my last shift. If you are the person I am thinking of I just wanted to let you know that you have been in my thoughts. The Joanne I met said some inspirational things to me before I left work about the birth of my baby (can't remember what they were exactly but they made my day at the time). If it was you Thankyou. Tina H. Brisbane. - Original Message - From: Mrs Joanne M Fisher To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas for research and mosiac? Dear List, I've just returned to Brisbane and have re-joined the list again after spending time in Perth doing some observations for my studies with the fabulous midwives of the CMP - (Hi all you lovely ladies over there). This is a wonderful list to be on and so educatonal. I've been asked by my tutor to talk to the Grad Dip Mid students at ACU in Oct, so I'll be enthusiastically spreading the word of continuous midwifery care. She (my tutor) is also encouraging me to do my Masters, (not sure if I will yet),so I was wondering if anyone out there had suggestions for me for subjects that I could do a small research on. I've never done anything like this before and know nothing about research, (I'm a hospital midwife and have only recently embarked on university studies). I already have some vague ideas butI'm sure there areplenty of other ideas that I haven't thought of. I also want to mosiac my coffee table and would love to do something that symbolized birth/midwives etc, but being a hopeless artist I haven't been able to think of a simple design to do. Can anyone help??? Cheers, Joanne (Fisher)
Re: [ozmidwifery] Internet Links
Thankyou to those who replied. Ta, Tina H. - Original Message - From: M T Holroyd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 9:48 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Internet Links Hi, I stupidly removed my links file with all the wonderful links that had been sent to ?Alphia (sorry can't remember). Could some kind person please resend (direct to me if you wish). I was enjoying working my way through the lists. Thanking you, Tina H.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Triumphant, powerful Birth!!
Dear Isis, Congratulations... I have been thinking of you am so glad to hear all went well. With warm wishes, Tina H. - Original Message - From: Isis and Andrew Caple To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 3:02 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Triumphant, powerful Birth!! Hello all, I just wanted to let you all know that I gave birth to a beautiful, bonny, baby boy on the 11th August. Nathan Michael weighed in at 8lb, 8oz/3860g, HC- 36cm, length- 54cm. My labour was fast, powerful and so very, very satisfying. It lasted little under 2 hours, I emerged with a neat 2nd degree tear and easily birthed the placenta with no man-made help!! My milk has come in and I am looking forward to it settling, but so far this whole experience has made me feel so powerful. I wanted to thank all of you for being so supportive after my experience with the evil hospital consultant, I wish I could have seen him straight after the birth.. I would have laughed in his face for being so wrong about my body. I had a beautiful experience, with a beautiful midwife (Lynne Pyke) to help me. Not that I needed it really J I am living proof that a woman who sustains a fourth degree tear can birth another baby (a bigger one by 660g, 2 cm length and 3.5cm HC!!) if she feels she is able to. Thank you all again for being wonderful people! Cheers- Isis
[ozmidwifery] Internet Links
Hi, I stupidly removed my links file with all the wonderful links that had been sent to ?Alphia (sorry can't remember). Could some kind person please resend (direct to me if you wish). I was enjoying working my way through the lists. Thanking you, Tina H.
Re: [ozmidwifery] co sleeping
Hi Kathy, I have co-slept with all of my children on returning to work (I used to work mainly night shift with my 2nd third) my husband coped quite well with EBM in the fridge freezer. My problem was that none of my previous 3 children ever really took to the bottle even with EBM in it. We did find however that they woke less when I wasn't there to feed them would just come to me when I arrived home with bursting breasts for a huge feed. When they got older, Marty would just take a bottle of water to bed with him (The kids slept with him even when I wasn't there) they would have a small amount of water. I haven't returned to work again after my last babe (he's 4.5 mths) but I'm also a little worried as he is not interested in having EBM in the bottle... he also wants the real thing (actually I think he is suffering from what I call reverse nipple confusion.. he has no idea what to do with a bottle teat). Good Luck. TIna H. - Original Message - From: simsarch To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 2:35 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] co sleeping I too am co sleeping with my six month old baby and am loving every bit of it. She is my third child and I didn't do it with the other two (don't know why). She tends to feed a lot at night whichhasn't beena problem. However, I don't know what to do now as I am returning to work in a month and don't know how my partner will cope with these night time grazings if I am out with a labouring woman. Can anyone offer me any advice? She probably feeds every 2 hours, but it is more of a snack than a decent feed.we am getting plenty of pressure to do the controlled crying thing in order to get her feeding less frequently at night which we really don't want to do, but on the other hand we need to make the situation more manageable for my husband who doesn't have the boobs if I'm not there overnight. Many thanks, Kathy
Re: [ozmidwifery] in the paper again!
Would love to read it Tania. Hope you get time soon. Tina H. Brisbane. - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 8:00 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] in the paper again! Well off the back of my letter to the Ed in last week's Adelaide Advertiser, I managed to get just about the whole back page of our local Hills newspaper dedicated to midwifery and women who make the choice to have a midwife. The journo who interviewed me did a great job, talked about the fact that we're really busy despite the insurance crisis, used very woman friendly language (not a delivery or confinement in cooeee) and published a lovely photo of myself looking on as Casey's daughter listened with a Pinard. I'd love to be able to lead you to a link, but they haven't put the article on their website, maybe I'll get a spare minute and type it out in the next few days. Chipping away slowly but surely. Tania
Re: [ozmidwifery] sun baths for jundice
Marilyn, I hope it was not taken the wrong way that I used your email as an example I thought it was a good way to open a topic that I am interested in. I personally still used sunlight indirectly with my 3rd baby especially my most recent (4th) baby he was starting to become jaundiced before he was 24 hrs old (he had a very puple face/head after birth so expected some form of jaundice), but as I had been discharged fromBirth Centrebefore this he was alert, awake often, feeding well (my milk was comming inwhen he was 1.5 days old... ample supply), weeing pooing etc I never returned to hospital just went for quick walks outside found a nice spot inside while he slept. Yet, because of the way we were taught as midwifery students I don't actually recommend this to women in hospital (there are a few reasons why but unable to explain at this moment). Anyway, sorry if it was taken the wrong way (just in case). BTW I love reading your posts, along with everyone elses... I am learning so much from you all also learning to challenge my ways of thinking doing things. If it wasn't for this list I may never have sought out Birth Centre care, known the joys of water birth having my family involved etc, etc. I owe this list for many things (positive). Tina H. Brisbane. - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] sun baths for jundice I was talking about Seattle, Washington where the sunlight is very very different than here. A sun bath in Seattle is a very different thing to a sunbath in Townsville, Cairns or probably anywhere except Hobart in Australia. Neverhless i took it for granted it would be indirect sun. marilyn - Original Message - From: M T Holroyd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 2:51 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] sun baths for jundice Hi, just aquick question after Marilyn talked of sun baths for jaundice (below). What is the latest info on this? When I had my daughter in Townsville 9+ years ago I was told when she developed jaundice to sun her religously in am pm for a few days between SBR's. I was told this again when my second child was born (7 years ago), but this time in sunlight filtered by window. Then when he was8 months old I started my midwifery education (in Townsville) we were taught that it was no longer safe we were not to advise parents to do this (due to high skin cancer rates in N.Q). What is common practice regarding this. I have come across midwives still recommeding to sun. Tina H. Brisbane - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] whats happening ? Hi Lynne: yes it is weird how transfers can cluster sometimes. Exhausting. Regarding the Mg SO4 and BP, one young woman I worked with in Seattle developed high BP after we made the hospital transfer(we transferred for maternal exhaustion, she had been labouring hard for 2 days and was still 3cm, BP had been stable at home, no other sx except that she had had heartburn/reflux throughout the pregnancy and i have wondered since if this masked any epigastric pain) anyway BP went from 120/70 at home to 138/88 on arrival at hospital, to 144/90 to finally 160/100, this was after the epidural but while we were awaiting the stat liver function tests which the ob ordered "just in case" actually apologising for ordering them as we all thought the elevated BP wasdue to the stress of the transfer.She had HELLP syndrome, so Mg SO4 and much careful monitoring, she went to complete in 2hrs and pushed her baby out in between vomitting from the Mg SO4. There was thick to mod mec liquor too, baby was 8lb and vigorous at birth. She stayed in hospital 3 days on meds until her bloods were normal and BP stable, baby very jaundiced really should have had phototherapy but parents declined and went home. Mum also somewhat jaundiced (I guess the hemolysis). Baby was under paediatric care, lost 10% in first week, milk took a good 7 days to really come in once it did baby made a slow but steady weight gain. WE, the midwives were somewhat anxious, but paed was ok with it doing homevisits and sun baths for baby (trust me the UV index in Seattle is not to be worried about). Long story, sorry. So yes the milk did come in just later. marilyn - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursda
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lieves story
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lieves story I too was wondering about Lars his family... they have been in my thoughts prayers very often especially since he was born the day after my little one. Leive, please pass on to Lars' family that they are in my thoughts often. Thankyou. Tina H. Brisbane. - Original Message - From: Lieve Huybrechts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lieves story I didnt forget you all, as soon as I have some time and the energy to write I will tell you how we are doing. Thanks Rhonda for explaining.If you want you can all see a picture of Lars at www.geboorte-infocentrum.be and go to geboortekaartjes. The tekst means : Lars swam out of his mothers belly on march 16. After 7 weeks of intens enjoying him there was a little hope that he could stay with us forever. But his heart turned out to be to weak. He died in his mothers arms on may 12 th in Leuven. Son of Frederik and Nele, brother of Jonas.Warm greetingsLieveOn 11-07-2003 08:45, "Marilyn Kleidon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering too.marilyn - Original Message - From: Sheena Johnson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 3:45 AMSubject: [ozmidwifery] Lieves storyWas wondering if anyone had heard from Lieve and what has happened with Nele and Lars, have I missed a posting? Regards Sheena Johnson
[ozmidwifery] sun baths for jundice
Hi, just aquick question after Marilyn talked of sun baths for jaundice (below). What is the latest info on this? When I had my daughter in Townsville 9+ years ago I was told when she developed jaundice to sun her religously in am pm for a few days between SBR's. I was told this again when my second child was born (7 years ago), but this time in sunlight filtered by window. Then when he was8 months old I started my midwifery education (in Townsville) we were taught that it was no longer safe we were not to advise parents to do this (due to high skin cancer rates in N.Q). What is common practice regarding this. I have come across midwives still recommeding to sun. Tina H. Brisbane - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] whats happening ? Hi Lynne: yes it is weird how transfers can cluster sometimes. Exhausting. Regarding the Mg SO4 and BP, one young woman I worked with in Seattle developed high BP after we made the hospital transfer(we transferred for maternal exhaustion, she had been labouring hard for 2 days and was still 3cm, BP had been stable at home, no other sx except that she had had heartburn/reflux throughout the pregnancy and i have wondered since if this masked any epigastric pain) anyway BP went from 120/70 at home to 138/88 on arrival at hospital, to 144/90 to finally 160/100, this was after the epidural but while we were awaiting the stat liver function tests which the ob ordered "just in case" actually apologising for ordering them as we all thought the elevated BP wasdue to the stress of the transfer.She had HELLP syndrome, so Mg SO4 and much careful monitoring, she went to complete in 2hrs and pushed her baby out in between vomitting from the Mg SO4. There was thick to mod mec liquor too, baby was 8lb and vigorous at birth. She stayed in hospital 3 days on meds until her bloods were normal and BP stable, baby very jaundiced really should have had phototherapy but parents declined and went home. Mum also somewhat jaundiced (I guess the hemolysis). Baby was under paediatric care, lost 10% in first week, milk took a good 7 days to really come in once it did baby made a slow but steady weight gain. WE, the midwives were somewhat anxious, but paed was ok with it doing homevisits and sun baths for baby (trust me the UV index in Seattle is not to be worried about). Long story, sorry. So yes the milk did come in just later. marilyn - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] whats happening ? Hi Jan Must be something in the water - I had3 t/f to hosp as well in the past 2 months. One - a primigravida - C/B after BP shot through the roof antenatally and SROM at 37 weeks. She did labour, but for whatever reason, her body did not open, and her BP sneaking up higher and higher despite Mg So4 and hydrallazine. Home now but lactation did not establish and she has tried everything. Is anyone aware of MgSo4 or hydrallazine having an impact on lactation? Another had the most amazing labour - had been labouring for quite some time before she called (as she and partner had been happy working together). First baby. After some time I asked if I could examine her - something wasn't right - she had the most awful back pain and the babe was not OP - the head VERY deep in the pelvis and had been for some weeks prior to birth. Head was +2 and covered with lower segment. Looking for cervix and finally located it very high and anterior behind the right obturator foramen. Pinhole in size and the lower segment/cervix paper thin. No wonder she had this dreadful backache. I began to massage the tine hole in her cervix very gently - within 5 mins had opened to 3-4. Another 2 hrs later, still awful backache (imagine the stretch on her posterior ligaments), and still the same. Some more gentle massage and the cervix opened to 5-6. Into bath, but backache absolutely unbearable after another hour. Penney asked me to massage again, but my short little fingers could only coax it to 8 where it stayed for the next hour. She decided to go to hosp for some pain relief (!), and when we arrived I organised an epidural for her. Asked to check her again before the anaesthetist arrived, because it might change what she wanted to do - anterior lip, backache gone and she pushed out her baby after I phoned the anaesthetisit to say we wouldn't be requiring him after all. All of us crying - one exhausted but oh so triumphant woman. Third primigravida, who laboured beautifully at home and the baby just did not come past caput on
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: We had a boy
Good luck Jodie... hope all goes beautifully for you. I joined FBC at the FBC postnatal morning tea when Jay was 8 weeks old. Since then I have attended the infant massage morning had a great get together with some of the other March birth mums. What a wonderful organisation. Looking forward to becoming more involved (when time permits). Tina H. Brissbane - Original Message - From: Jodie Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: We had a boy Congratulations Tina and Marty! It's so nice to receive such wonderful feedback about our beloved birth centre in Brisbane. I'm 39wks pregnant myself and eagerly awaiting the birth at our birth centre. Best of health and happiness to you and your family. Jodie Miller Friends of the Birth Centre Qld Assoc. http://www.fbc.org.au On Sunday 06 July 2003 19:46, M T Holroyd wrote: - Original Message - From: M T Holroyd To: ozmidwifery Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 7:33 PM Subject: We had a boy Hi, I Just wanted to let you know how the birth of my fourth baby went. We had a beautiful big boy at the Birth Centre here in Brisbane. It was a wonderful experience that I still tell people about even now 4 months later (just leave out some of the more personal details). When I first rang my midwife I told her I had been having irregilar contractions since 5pm but now regular (approx 9.30pm) at 3min appart that I was coping well at home, but with my history of fast labours she said I had better come in (I think she could hear something in my voice Marty said he knew it was time to go anyway - I on the other hand was in my own world). We woke the kids packed them into the car off we went. On the way to the hospital my contractions got closer in between contractions my almost 9yo daughter (Emilie) dozed, my 6.5yo (Jeremy) 3.5yo (Ethan) talked to me about what was happening. Jeremy asked me if the baby was going to come out of my belly (he knew where a baby comes from but my sister had recently had a c/section) Ethan piped up babies come out of a mummy's vagina don't you know Jeremy... this set me off laughing along came another contraction. Soon after another contraction (I would bang my head on the head rest for distraction) Jeremy said to me Mummy how about you take big breaths in out with your next pain to help so I made an effort he breathed along with me for the rest of the trip he was a real help. I arrived at the BC with my husband, 3 children, mother two sisters in tow at 10pm. My Midwife had the tub full because she new I wanted a water birth, she had beautiful music playing. I got into the tub soon after arrival (it was like sinking into heaven - what wonderful pain relief), Marty sat on the edge of the tub to support me my three children hopped in and paddled around me rubbing my back with a contraction. Our midwife was wonderful encouraged welcomed my children... they felt so comfortable being there we were all very excited. After a few contractions I asked the kids to get out (I was feeling that I needed to focus have my own space at this time... maybe going through transition?). Not long after I started to push, push push even though the urge was as strong as it had ever been I didn't feel like I was moving my baby much at all (I'd never worked this hard at pushing before) I had bad lower back hip pain with each contration (which was also new to me). Anyway, a short time later his head emerged but I was still pushing with all my might it felt to me like he just wasn't going any further so when I heard our midwife tell Marty to get me up now I knew there was a good reason was already on my way up she had to give him a little tug because his shoulders were tight, he was born at 10.51pm on Sat 15th March (11 days before Emilie's birthday). I had minimal blood loss a physiological third stage on the birth stool. Emilie cut the cord prior to third stage being complete but after it had stopped pulsating (she normally hates the sight of blood or even hearing the word but to be involved cut the cord didn't bother her). I offered him a feed whilst waiting for placenta but he was to busy letting the world know that he was here. He weighed 4540 grams (10lb) was my biggest baby by almost 500 grams. I had not even a graze didn't even feel like I had had a baby (was that the mostly water birth?). He breastfed well he is still thriving. Our midwife showed Emilie I my placenta Emilie was very interested... midwife explained it all to her. Emilie made the comment it looks yucky mummy but I know it is very important it's also good to know for when I go to Aunty Leasa's (my sister who was present) next birth (she is inviting herself baby is not even planned yet). This was my first BC baby, my
[ozmidwifery] Fw: We had a boy
- Original Message - From: M T Holroyd To: ozmidwifery Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 7:33 PM Subject: We had a boy Hi, I Just wanted to let you know how the birth of my fourth baby went.We had a beautiful big boy at the Birth Centre here in Brisbane. It was a wonderful experience that I still tell people about even now4 months later (just leave out some of the more personal details). When I first rang my midwifeI told her I had been having irregilar contractions since5pmbut now regular (approx 9.30pm) at 3min appart that I was coping well at home, but with my history of fast labours she said I had better come in (I think she could hear something in my voice Marty said he knew it was time to go anyway - I on the other hand was in my own world). We woke the kids packed them into the car off we went. On the way to the hospital my contractions got closer in between contractions my almost 9yo daughter (Emilie) dozed, my 6.5yo (Jeremy) 3.5yo (Ethan)talked to me about what was happening. Jeremy asked me if the baby was going to come out of my belly (he knew where a baby comes from but my sister had recently had a c/section) Ethan piped up "babies come out of a mummy's vagina don't you know Jeremy"... this set me off laughing along came another contraction. Soon after another contraction (I would bang my head on the head rest for distraction) Jeremy said to me "Mummy how about you take big breaths in out with your next pain to help" so I made an effort he breathed along with me for the rest of the trip he was a real help. I arrived at the BC with my husband, 3 children, mother two sisters in tow at10pm. My Midwife had the tub full because she new I wanted a water birth, she had beautiful music playing. I got into the tub soon after arrival (it was like sinking into heaven - what wonderful pain relief), Marty sat on the edge of the tub to support me my three children hopped in and paddled around me rubbing my back with a contraction. Our midwife was wonderful encouraged welcomed my children... they felt so comfortable being there we were all very excited. After a few contractions I asked the kids to get out (I was feeling that I needed to focus have my own space at this time... maybe going through transition?). Not long after I started to push, push push even though the urge was as strong as it had ever been I didn't feel like I was moving my baby much at all (I'd never worked this hard at pushing before) I had bad lowerbackhip pain with each contration (which was also new to me). Anyway, a short time later his head emerged but I was still pushing with all my might it felt to me like he just wasn't going any further so when I heard our midwife tell Marty to get me up "now" I knew there was a good reason was already on my way up she had to give him a little tug because his shoulders were tight, he was born at 10.51pm on Sat 15th March (11 days before Emilie's birthday). I had minimal blood loss aphysiological third stage on the birth stool. Emilie cut the cord prior to third stage being complete but after it had stopped pulsating(she normally hates the sight of blood or even hearing the word but to be involved cut the cord didn't bother her). I offered him a feed whilst waiting for placenta but he was to busy letting the world know that he was here. He weighed 4540 grams (10lb) was my biggest baby by almost 500 grams. I had not even a graze didn't even feel like I had had a baby (was that the mostly water birth?). He breastfed well he is still thriving. Our midwife showed Emilie I my placenta Emilie was very interested... midwife explained it all to her. Emilie made the comment "it looks yucky mummy but I know it is very important it's also good to know for when I go to Aunty Leasa's (my sister who was present) next birth (she is inviting herself baby is not even planned yet)". This was my first BC baby, my first waterbirth, my first birth without VE,my first birth without any form of drugs (1st baby gas peth, 2nd 3rd gas only), my first birth in a squating position/upright (all others were semi-sitting),my first physiological third stage, first birth where the midwife truly trusted me my ability. Also the first time any of my children attended a birth. All of my births were amazing beautiful, but this was that little bit more special because I truly got what I wanted I new exactly what I wanted before hand. Also there is alot to be said (as you all know) for knowing your midwife.. then you can trust each other. I have to say that I did end up with the excruciating afterbirth pains that were worse than they had ever been (but lasted for less days than previously)... hot packs panadeine helped me through but only just. Thankyou for listening to my story (wish I had the creative writting gift so that I could make it sound as special truly wonderful
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Hi Pinky, Pnky wrote: Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? My breastfeeding times grow longer with each child. I am not currently feeding an older child, but did feed my third child until 3 years 1 month. We weaned because I was approx. 4 mths pregnant suffering with fatigue morning sickness. We weaned in Oct / Nov last year. If this is recent enough feel free to contact me. Tina H. Brisbane. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Back again...
Dear Cas, I loved your photos. You have beautiful children. Am looking forward to reading your story soon.. my 11 week old is has decided he is starving. Thankyou for sharing. Tina H. in Brisbane. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal wall tearing
Dear Jo, I don't know if this will help, but as a midwifery student I cared for a woman who had had a previous 3rd degree tear (I think... can't remember all the details as it was 5 years ago). She had to have it repared in OT at the time I think maybe one more op later down the track... as you can imagine she was very worried this time around. The Dr's notes stated that she was to have an episiotomy at even the slightest indication that she might tear. Looking at her perineum the scar was large there was a dint in it like someone had removed a piece. Anyway, from memory she stayed mostly active only just made it back onto the bed in time for me to catch the baby (I know better now with regards to the bed thing) I didn't even have time to call the registered midwife until the baby was almost all the way out. The woman did not have even a graze to her perineum / vulva. She was absoulutly happy ( so was I ). She followed her own instincts no coaching from me or her husband.Good luck to thiswoman for whatever she chooses. Tina H. - Original Message - From: Jo Dean Bainbridge To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:07 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] vaginal wall tearing I know there has been discussion in the past about this but I am in a hurry to get some information for a woman whom had a positive vaginal birth that turned ugly when she "tore badly inside and out" (in quotes because that is what she said and I have no further knowledge of what sort of tearing it was.) She has had incontinence problems and sexual dysfunction for the last 16 months. Her first OB said to have a cs (of course) and then yesterday she was told that she should not have a cs and that a vag birth would be the best option. She is now very confused and scarred as hubby wants her to have cs and her fear is that a vag birth will increase problems they already have. She is willing to have a vag birth if she can optimise her chance of reducing the damage if a tear happens again. Can anyone offer midwifery woman focused care and positions etc that she could use during a vag birth? She would have a home birth but she can not afford it. I suggested an independent mw to take with her to hospital but that was dismissed without reason. She is an intelligent woman and if she can read evidence to support the chance of her not having further damage caused then she will opt for a vag birth I think. She wants to make her choice in three weeks so I would appreciate some help in gaining information and not waste time surfing around cheers wonderful women! Hope you can help me help a woman avoid putting herself and her baby through a cs. Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAwww.cares-sa.org.au[EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love...
