Re: [ozmidwifery] crystal therapy
Thank you for your detailed reply, It is very helpful and DEFINITELY not boring. cheers, MM
[ozmidwifery] Holloway prison
On one of the lists I read about midwives working at Holloway prison in the U.K . I have deleted it and can't find it. Does anyone remember? thanks, MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] infants friend
I am always a bit suspicious about anythingk that works so quickly for babies. Any idea what is in it Lynn?? MM - Original Message - From: Peter Hall To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] "infants friend" I have been told by a cousin that "Colic- Lardner's natural mixture" is fantastic . You can only get this productfrom Des Lardner's Pharmacy in Horsham (03)53826006. It only lasts 10 days. Regards Lynne Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: simsarch To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 3:43 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] "infants friend" Can anyone provide me with information on a product called "infants friend"?It is apparently a natural product sold in chemists to assist with reflux and unsettled tummies. Thanks, Kathy
[ozmidwifery] Women's prisons
I found the reference to a woman who was a voulunteer doula (not midwife) at Holloway Prison and have emailed her for information. I am interested in how pregnant/birthing postnatal women are cared for in our Australian Prisons. I would be grateful for factual information. My personal email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks, Mary Murphy
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B Vaccine at Birth
Marilyn wrote: "Sandra you are so brave." A long time agoe some ancient philosopher wrote something like this: "In order for evil to flourish, good men do nothing" I think that covers Sandra's stand. MM - Original Message - From: Sandra J. Eales To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 6:30 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hep B Vaccine at Birth I have previously expressed concerns related to the administration of Hep B Vaccine (HBV) to all babes at birth ie that the midwives in my unit had become aware of marked increase in numbers of irritable babes and many more with breastfeeding difficulties in the first few days, since May 2000 when the new schedule was introduced. Sincethen we have done some investigation and as we became convinced of the connection we have been much more conscientious aboutgaining "informed consent" prior to administration of birth dose of Hep B ie "full disclosure of risks/benefits without coercion or fraud". As a result, parents are not consentingand the rate of uptake of the birth dose in our unit has dropped off dramatically.(It is generally much nicer to come to work these days too with fewer screaming babies, distraught mothers and frantic fathers!) We (the midwives) are nowcopping flak because we show up very large on the radar in the 'Early Warning System' of theauthorities pushing the universal immunisation issue. The pressure to conform has come from Public Health Unit, District Manager, Medical Superintendent as well as letters of complaint from a local GP (who may be fearful that he will lose his incentive payments if the children who return to hispractice have missedthe birth dose!). We have been told that we must "actively encourage" our clients to accept the vaccination..that "it is frequently reported that the unit works well because of the high degree of trust and respect. Herein lies the opportunity to disseminate the positive effect of early Hepatitis vaccination" We have been told that we must "act in line with the Code of Conduct"to actively promote this policy. I do believe this is a terribly important ethical issue and will not persuade my clients to act against there best interests and instincts. We use the materials and information provided by Qld Health and "immunise Australia"when we discuss the issue with the parents.It is acknowledged in the "Understanding infant hepatitis B immunisation" pamphlet put out by the "immunise Australia Program" that among the common side effects are mild fever, joint pain, irritability and baby going "off its food for a short time". - discuss how this might affect their newborn in the first few days of life. Whilst these common and perhaps transient side effects may be of little concern in an older child they are liable to be of much greater significance in a newborn child who is already facing many challenges at this deeply important point in its life. Challenges to the newborn (physiological and iatrogenic pathology) adaptation to extrauterine life profound physical changes in all systems respiratory, circulatory, neurological, sensory, digestive/alimentary organisation of suck to enable feed overcome effects of pharmacological substances used in labour, birth an postnatally recovery from the traumatic effect of birth eg head moulding and other birth injury We also give them the Qld Health Hep B Informationwhich has this advice "give extra fluids e.g more breast feeds or water" - we discuss the implication of thisat initiation of breastfeeding. We also discuss the risk factors for contracting the disease both in infancy and throught the lifespan. All women are screened for HBsAg antenatally so that babes of HB positive mothers can receive both Immunoglobulin and vaccination at birth. This has been shown to be extremely effective in managing the risk of vertical (mother to baby) transmission The risk factors (for contracting the disease) are IV drug use, unsafe sexual practices and certain ethnic groups have high endemnicity so may have a slightly elevated risk of transmission (e.g aboriginal, TSI, particular asian groups for whom we have had an effectective 3 dose targetted program for many years). Certain occupational groups, eg health workers, have a higher than average risk and are generally vaccinated witha 3 dose progam. World Health Organisation classifies Australia as a "low" risk for Hep B with low endemnicity of 2%, transmission rates in infancy are "rare" and "infrequent" in childhood. Qld Health Notifiable Diseases Annual Report 1997 -2001 did not count any in the age group of
Re: [ozmidwifery] Oxytocin Trust
Hi Denise, thank you for the Birth Psychology website. It was really great.I am sitting hear in Perth at 9am and it is already 33celsius. we are truly cooking! Cheers, MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B Vaccine at Birth
Sandra, thank you for your frank discussion of hep B vacc at birth on this list and the "birth talk" list. I am definitely not supportive of this agenda and thankfully as I practice in homebirth, I do not have to give this vaccination..actually I would refuse and refer parents to a GP if they did want it. MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Oxytocin Trust
Hi Lynn, On which link did you find those articles? MM - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Oxytocin Trust I had a look yesterday and the articles I found were on oxytocin and love, also sexual "fidelity" for want of a better word - I guess trust comes into this one! - Original Message - From: Sandra J. Eales To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Oxytocin Trust Denise Have you checked out the abc website. They normallykeep a pretty good record of there programmes often containing references and links. www.abc.net.au Sandra - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:45 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Oxytocin Trust Did any Radio National Breakfast listeners hear the report on Oxytocin and trust on Monday 3/3/03?If so do you have the reference for the study??Denise
Re: [ozmidwifery] Push for Informed choices?
Dear Denise, if you are pasting individual copies, I would like one too please. MM - Original Message - From: Lois Wattis To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Push for Informed choices? Hi Denise - any chance of arranging for a pasted copy onto ozmid. list, or alternately - paste a copy of Hannah's article directly to me please? Ta, Lois - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 1:55 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Push for Informed choices? Dear All, I commend the article, Political Matters by Hannah Dahlen; "Marketing fear and certainty - the oldest trick in the book!" in the NSW Midwives Association's Midwifery Matters December 2002 issue. I have asked the NSW Midwqives Association that they lead the profession in calling for policies and protocols based on and supportive of informed choice formaternity service consumers and practitioners. I have suggested that they could begin with the formation of a committeeto review NSW Health's maternity serviceinformation documents to ensure that they are not "Marketing fear and certainty". Similarly I feel NSW Health documents used by service providers such as Antenatal records, Clinical Pathways, the Obstets Data Base, should be reviewed in light of evidence based practice and infomrmed consent . Thus such documents would support ongoing review and reflection of practices rather than perpetuate traditions, defensive over-servicing or subjective assesments. Concurrently NSWMA and other maternity service educators could produce articles, workshops etc on the professional and legal imperative, and benefits of protocols and activitieswhich aresupportive andconsistent with the concepts ofinformed choice and reflective practices. If you are in a position to be involved in such activities I would encourage you all to reflect and act accordinglyso NSWMA and otherswould act positively and effectively to counter the defensive obstetric practices and related fearscurrentlyinfluencingNSW maternity services as well as the media as explored in Hannah's article! Denise Hynd
[ozmidwifery] Quote of the week.
"If you want to know what has gone wrong in obstetrics, read the pediatric journals."
[ozmidwifery] Reduced Amniotic Fluid volume
Saw this in "Midwifery Today": Simple maternal hydration can increase amniotic fluid volume, a study has shown. A search of the Cochrane Pregnancy and Childbirth Group trials register and the Cochrane Controlled Trials Register were searched to compare maternal hydration with no hydration in pregnant women with reduced or normal amniotic fluid volume. In two studies, 77 women were asked to drink two liters of water before having a repeat ultrasound examination. Maternal hydration in women with and without oligohydramnios was associated with an increase in amniotic volume (weighted mean difference for women with oligohydramnios 2.01, 95% confidence interval 1.43 to 2.56; and weighted mean difference for women with normal amniotic fluid volume 4.5, 95% confidence interval 2.92 to 6.08). Intravenous hypotonic hydration in women with oligohydramnios was associated with an increase in amniotic fluid volume (weighted mean difference 2.3, 95% confidence interval 1.36 to 3.24). Isotonic intravenous hydration had no measurable effect. Controlled trials are needed to assess the clinical benefits and possible risks of maternal hydration for specific clinical purposes. - Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2002;(1):CD000134
Re: [ozmidwifery] Retained placenta
My experience is a client who had a retained placenta for baby No 3,4,5. After the 2nd retained placenta (No 4) I refused to do another homebirthLucky for me... unfortunately she had another retained placenta and ended up bleeding so much she had to have a hysterectomy to save her life. I was with her for the birth which was very normal and then we waited and waited etc.. before the manual removal, then back to theatre for the hysterectomy. Not a great story, but there is the danger of it repeating itself. MM - Original Message - From: Carolyn Donaghey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 12:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Retained placenta Just a query. Have been contacted by a woman who is expecting number 6 baby in 6 weeks. Her first birth was vaginal, second emergency cs and baby died strepB complication (baby exposed in labour and antibiotics not administered until it was too late), 3rd elect cs, 4th vbac, 5th vbac. No 4 and 5 she had manual removal of retained placenta (dont actually know how much time she was given to birth the placenta) and PPH. Is it likely to be a repeating problem? Have read some stuff about retained placenta being connected to fear - of which she has loads thanks to her distressing 2nd birth. Want to provide her with more information if possible on how to avoid this happening again. Thanks Carolyn Donaghey-Harris CARES SA Inc -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Kirsty Marshall
I couldn't get through on that either. Also the Channel nine poll is running 14,000 to 9000 against B/F..MM This number keeps coming up as incomplete or incorrect. What program on C7 was it? Cheers, Lyn -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Rosemary Wayne WeckertSent: Thursday, 27 February 2003 8:29 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Kirsty Marshall Hi all Channel 7 are running a phone poll about whetherBF should be allowed in parliment. Ring 1900 555 552for a yes vote. Closes 5pm today EST I guess. Regards Rosemary Project Desert Rose Midwife Alice Springs
[ozmidwifery] lobbying
The Minister for Health in W.A. is my local Member of Paliament. He has just sent out reply paid forms asking his constituents what he can do for me and the community. I took the opportunity to ask for increased funding for maternity care and the Community Midwifery Program and quoted from the Maternity Coalition post card, the reasons why women are better off with one on one midwifery care. What a timely survey! if there are any other W.A. midwives in Bobs electorate, take the opportunity to tell him what the birthing women of W.A. need. Cheers, MM
[ozmidwifery] breech presentation at term/Moxa
Quoting directly from my text book... Moxa is made from the herb Artemesia Vulgaris (chrysanthemum). It can produce heat.. it is pure Yang in nature having the ability to restore the primary yang from collapse. It can open the 12 regular meridians to regulate qi and blood, expel cold and dampness, warm the uterus, stop bleeding, warm the spleen stomach to remove stagnation, regulate menstruation and ease the fetus. It can be applied directly (wool), by stick or attatched to a needle. When I was attending the Traditional Medicine Training College in Quanshou (China) I was astounded to enter a treatment room and see 6 people all lying on beds with about 6 smoking needles in the various meridians. It was being used for treatment of arthritis, but it looked like the patients were all on fire- It is highly valued in traditional Chinese Medicine. MM Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] re: breech presentation at term Hi Robin, Mxibustion works by stimulating the abdominal meridien and that in turn stirs up a biochemical reaction that eventually encourages the baby to turn. I have a detailed explanation from a Chinese Acupuncure textbook that sets out the process with a diagram - it is very technical and I make no attempt to remember it! If you want to know more about how it is done and the RCT that proved its worth, check out http://www.birthinternational.com/articles/andrea13.html Cheers Andrea At 07:23 PM 24/02/2003, Robin Moon wrote: Can someone tell me why moxibustion works with breech presentations? I dont understand how ' incense' stuck between toes can turn a breech? ( please excuse my woefully ignorant understanding!!) Robin - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] re: breech presentation at term
Hi, It all is related to the meridians of the body. Bladder 67 is the point near the little toe on each foot. The meridian runs up to the urinary bladder and connects with other meridians which cover the whole body. The urinary bladder meridian runs in the area of the uterus. If the uterus is "disordered" or out of balance, then warming the meridian with the heat of the moxibustion stick will help rebalance the uterus and the baby will turn. Warming a meridian helps when the organ is "cold" and therefore constricted, holding the baby inposition.. in this case, breech. Hope that isn't too simplistic. cheers, MM - Original Message - From: Robin Moon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] re: breech presentation at term Can someone tell me why moxibustion works with breech presentations? I dont understand how ' incense' stuck between toes can turn a breech? ( please excuse my woefully ignorant understanding!!) Robin - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 1:37 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] re: breech presentation at term To all who were so supportive and helpful, My friend has just rung me and informed me that her baby is head down! She had a couple of sessions of accupuncture and moxibustion, which made her baby extremely active, and then saw a chiropractor, and did lots of visualisation, meditation, playing music to her baby, and postural stuff at home, and voila! She is absolutely blown away by the responses from this list, I printed them out for her (thankyou Andrea for the link to your page, the moxibustion stuff was great), and now eagerly awaits labour and hopefully an empowering birth. What a pity she received no encouragement, ideas, or instruction whatsoever from the practitioner she sees as her primary maternity care provider, and pays good money to consult, except that they would wait and see and then if her baby was breech at term she would be booked in for a section. Sad isn't it. Thanks once again Tania
[ozmidwifery] Changing subjects..
Sorry, I forgot to change the subject line when I emailed Rosemary. Obviously Tracy has nothing to do with my email. MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Calling Tracey Reibel
Hi Rosemary, Recently a client of mine had a wonderful woman centred waterbirth. Her first baby. She had a visit from her cousin(?) Annie who works with Ngaanyatjarra project. I didn't get to meet her but think it can only be a good thing that she was exposed to her cousin's wonderful homebirth experience and saw some of the photo's. Cheers, Mary Murphy - Original Message - From: Rosemary Wayne Weckert To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Calling Tracey Reibel Hi Could Tracey from Fremantle please contact me off list regarding client feedback forms. Or if anyone has her e-mail address to share with me thanks. Regards Rosemary Project Desert Rose Midwife Alice Springs
[ozmidwifery] Afterbirth pains/children at birth.
Thanks for this website address. I have worked in homebirth for 20yrs and have NEVER found a really satisfactory remedy/answer to afterbirth pains. Some multip women don't get them at all, others have horrendous ones whether physiological or medical 3rd stage. A remedy which works for one won't work for another.. CHILDREN are really wise little beings. The best advice.. after the preparation/support has been taken care of .. is to give themCOMPLETE freedom to be present or leave the room. Don't make them feel obligated to be present for the mother's sake and don't let anyone ridicule them if they choose to be absent. I have been present when children have slept right through the noises of birth and then woken when the baby was born and mother settled. they then wake up and come out to see the baby. Others have woken during a very quiet birthing and enter the room in time to see baby born.Very individual. cheers, MM- Original Message - I had a look at a couple of web sites, theres one called Pregnancy and Parenting Naturally which ahs some remedies for after birth pain http://members.aol.com/kristachan/afpain.htm
[ozmidwifery] another great quote.
Quote of the Week According to the medical model, life is a problem because it is full of risk and in almost constant danger, an assumption easily accepted if one's professional career is spent surrounded by pathology, suffering, and death. - Marsden Wagner, MD
Re: [ozmidwifery] URGENT Advice Required
Title: URGENT Advice Required a lotion made from chickweed is good for itchy rashes, I have a pharmasist make it for me, in similar circumstances. MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Miracle baby
This was a heart warming story. I wonder what makes them think that the baby was "in a dry womb for 2 months" when at birth the hole in the membranes had sealed and there was amniotic fluid there? I thought that the placenta went on making amniotic fluid gradually all the time? I would like someone with a good knowledge of such things to explain the physiology of how it works. Thanks, MM Details od this amazing press report were posted on another list:http://www.af.mil/news/Feb2003/20603241.shtmlDebbie SlaterPerth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth through water(long)
You wrote: A new midwife to our unit from England said our baths would not be suitable because of back care for the midwife! My response was that from what I've read the baby is birthed by the mum, hands off by the midwife, so why should there be a problem!! and: how many women are willing to touch their baby during the process of birth and immediately at the moment of birthing??? I have been assisting women to labour and give birth in water since 1987. The water tubs we have used have been mostly demountable, portable pools made of wood panel surrounds and plastic liners. Ends up about 60cm high and about 1-11/2 metres across when in use . Plenty deep enough for the mother and not too high for the midwife. Sometimes they are triangular spa baths in their homes. The best one is the Birthing Centre at KEMH, (for labour at least) I mostly kneel on a cusion on the floor and turn my body sideways. Initially I found that I was having lower back problems which I thought was due to stretching across to the middle of the pool to rub backs, not from reaching in and assisting the woman to pick up her baby. I then did some Alexander lessons and found that the lower back problems were mostly caused by my poor posture and life long misuse of my body in every day life, which was then exacerbated by the birthings I attended (both in and out of water). Since then I have utilised the husband and support people to do most of the back rubbing. I don't do any particular education to encourage the women to pick up their own babies.. some times they do and often the don't. I obviously have to look at that again. Usually just a firm command to Pick Up The Baby is enough for a woman to snap out of the birthing haze and do as I ask. One thing I do in the 2nd stage is to NOT tell the womant to PUSH but rather to encourage her to touch her own vulva so she can be in touch with her body/baby when crowning and birthing. It really helps to ease the baby out. I hope this has been helpful. cheers, Mary M -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Touching babes at birth......
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Touching babes at birth.. Wonderfully expressed Tina. My thoughts and experiencesexactly.just as dangerous is the assumption that women are not interested in touching their babies during birth and to suggest that women need "education" to handle their babes at birthM..Encouraging the woman to touch her baby is a very powerful way of connecting her to the birth process and gives her purpose often when energies are waning for me its about giving the power to the woman to tell me what's going on for her without the midwife having to be invasive...eg: sticking my fingers in...or parting labiawatching perineum's etc...If I feel the need to 'know what's going on' all I often do is just gently ask the woman to tell me what she is feeling...If she has no words to describe it, or says "I don't know"...then I gently encourage her to put her own fingers inside and tell me what she feels. In my experience women rarely refuse to do this when invited to do so and personally I think its how we ask and the context in which we ask it .I have no words to describe the sheer look of amazement and wonder when the woman declares she can feel their babies head just inside.the power, renewed energy and a strong sense of purpose that this gives women is fantasticand birth usually follows very quicklytouch can be really important to if at crowning the women needs some reassurance that all is fine and she is not "splitting apart"encouraging her to feel for herself that she is safe again is very reaffirming for her and she often then lets go and the babe emerges beautifullyoften into her own hand if she desiresthis is when women are truly empowered in birth.and this empowers us as midwives too Yours in reforming midwiferyTina PettigrewB Mid StudentAustralian Catholic University Melb.
[ozmidwifery] midwife manager position
COMMUNITY MIDWIFERY WA MIDWIFERY MANAGER A dynamic person is required, half-time, to provide professional support and clinical oversight of the Community Midwifery Program. The position does not involve clinical practice. The CMP is an innovative community based, government funded program, providing midwifery and educational services. The successful applicant will be a registered midwife with experience in home births, have knowledge of current midwifery issues, excellent interpersonal and organisational skills, and a commitment to womens issues. For details contact Community Midwifery WA 9438 1283 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or see our website www.communitymidwifery.iinet.net.au
[ozmidwifery] Terbutaline/prem.labour
4) TerbutalineMost often, faulty diagnoses of premature labor are made by means of unnecessary routine vaginal exams and superfluous electronic fetal monitoring devices. Never mind that the definition of preterm labor includes contractions that get longer, stronger, and closer together while opening the cervix. Mom is so alarmed at the possibility of losing her baby that she often isn't thinking critically; she's willing to do anything to save her child. She probably doesn't know that even if the cervix is dilated a couple of centimeters, it can be completely normal.She also doesn't know that study after study show that terbutaline doesn't do a thing to stop premature labor. She doesn't know that FDA hasn't approved this drug for use during pregnancy, labor, delivery, or lactation. Nor does she know that FDA warns that this drug should not be used to stop or slow contractions because serious adverse reactions may occur after administration of terbutaline sulfate to women in labor. The pregnancy continues, but there is no way to prove that it wouldn't have otherwise, so the assumption is that the only reason it continues is because of the interventions.Any woman who has been put on this drug will recognize these effects: nausea, vomiting, heart palpitations, increased heart rate, shaking, chest discomfort, shortness of breath, high blood pressure, and inability to sleep. Terbutaline can also cause liver damage. Because the betaminimetic agent crosses the placenta, baby experiences the same things mom does, including heart rate accelerations. When mom is unable to eat because of nausea, combined with the effect on her already taxed liver and high blood pressure, she will quite likely develop symptoms of preeclampsia. Excerpted from "Terbutaline or Not Terbutaline? That is the Question," by Kim Wildner, Midwifery Today Issue 63. I thought this was interesting. Cheers, MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant barbie picture
YEARS AGO THERE WAS A "BARBIE TYPE" DOLL (CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME) WHO HAD A PREGNANT BELLY WITH A LITTLE BABY DOLL INSIDE. THE FRONT OF THE ABDOMEN CAME OFF TO SHOW THE BABY INSIDE. USEDIT TO SHOW WOMENVARIOUS POSITIONSOF THE BABY AND TO SHOW LITTLEONES THEIR SIBLING IN UTERO. OF COURSE THEY DISAPPEARED OFF THE MARKET WITHIN ONE SEASON. Sorry about the capitals, cheers, MM - Original Message - From: Julie Garratt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture Hi,Me again;) I've found a picture and some info on Midge, worth a look if your interested. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2608867.stm It is suggested in this story that "Midge can help parents discuss pregnancy without having to have graphic descriptions of the reproductive process". Midge also has a "tiny wedding ring" I think this is a real hoot! Pinky your definitely going to have fun with this one, keep us posted. Julie'', - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 7:25 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" Hi ladies, Midge- Barbies best friend -is pregnant(Barbie is the paediatrician)-arriving in toyshops in the next week. Now are you sitting down -I have been asked by Mattel's PR company to give some quotes/ do some interviews re kids and pregnancy/ birthetc. After a discussion with Andrea and lots of thought plus making certain I am not expected to endorse the doll although the media may misconstrue my words -I am going to be doing quite a bit of talking about birth and children. I am doing a live interview on 3ak monday at 12 .15pm. I am taking an array of props - Hello Baby by Jenni Overend and In Union -by Vicki Chan and Nic Edmonstone. I want to take this opportunity to turn the crap into a positive - to tell women that how they portray birth to their daughters can convey awe of the female body (dear Midge needs some serious help - perhaps atexta to add nipples for starters!) The fact is, this doll is going to be out there anyway and people will be buying her -she looks lovely with her dress on even though her whole belly is attached with a magnet so comes completely off (ridiculous!!I agree - myson immediately tipped her upside down to see how the baby would come out! - poor darling doesnt have a vagina -a teachable moment!!)- I think we can use this launchas a trigger for lots of dscussion about birth and pregnancy - feel free to be there when the phonelines open and write letters to the editor etc - there are people who think this doll is TOO REALISTIC!!! -That is why she was pulled fromthe shelves at Walmart in the US.One WA journalist actually wrote that surely it is ok for 5 year olds to believe babies come via the stork -ie arent we corrupting kids innocence -I think there will be some great debate. What next ??- I have been waiting for a pear shaped Barbie for years!! Would she be a collectors item? Pinky
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinnards v's dopplar
Quote of the Week From Midwifery Today seems pertinent to this discussion: MMWe who seek to assist childbirth using the age-old art and craft of midwifery must be willing to open our minds to discussion of what is truly useful to women and what may be unhelpful, especially when used routinely.-Sara Wickham
Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC support
A good web site is www.birthrites.org a W.A. based site run by women in the same position. It is very very good. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Junk Mail
I think that this kind of dialogue began when the list changed its "reply" format. Instead of being able to reply individually to the person one has to reply to everyone, or send and individual email to the original sender. It is easier to hit "reply" and of course it goes to the whole list. MM - Original Message - From: Rosalee Shaw To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:38 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Junk Mail At the risk of offending, I feel obliged to have my say. Despite ozmidwifery being a "Chat" list, there are some among us who appreciate the opportunity to have a convenient professional forum to discuss issues and provide support to each other. But I am forever frustrated by my overflowing mailbox, full of personal, and sometimes private emails which should be part of conversations between individuals. I am frequently turned off by the volume and the content of trivial, one liners, and frankly I don't have time for it. I understand that others are not responsible for my busy life, and that some midwives feel isolated and ozmid serves its purpose, but please make sure that only those matters which concern the WHOLE list go to everyone. Yes, I am a cranky old stick, but that doen't mean I don't have a point. Thanks for reading this far. Rosalee This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Hunter Health.
Re: [ozmidwifery] New Years Greetings
Jan wrote:My client did lots of walking in the fresh air during the morning, used Mary Murphy's magic Western Australian pain cream and back massage (thanks Mary) Hi Jan, sounds like a good workout for you all! I am still awaiting my baby from the 21st, but the other five have all birthed beautifully. The company that produces the Pain Cream have put out a Pain Spray. It is not in full production yet but will be hitting the shelves soon. It is not so messy as the pain cream, although the latter is great for massage, the spray is not, as it dries quickly. My husband used it on his recent total hip replacement.. finds it good. Happy New Year to all, Mary Murphy -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Midwifery Today
Quote of the Week "Prevention is a worthy and good cause. The problem is that her cousin, intervention, likes to follow only a few paces behind." - Mayri Sagady
Re: [ozmidwifery] Non Accred. Midwife. Com.Mid Program
Hi Jo, the Program usually has one position a year for a non-accredited midwife. At the end of 8 months the midwife is eligible for accreditation with the ACMI. We would love to offer more places but we have only funding for one and we have had to fight hard to maintain this. cheers, MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Broken Hill MidWife
Hi, my thoughts flew instantly to The Bowen Method which is most often used to heal physical ailments but has a place in the treatment of dyslexia and ADHD and emotional problemsetc. I am sure there is a practitioner in your area. Contact them and enquire. best wishes, Mary Murphy - Original Message - From: Victoria Howell To: Midwifery Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:03 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Broken Hill MidWife Dear List,It's Tory Howell ( B-mid student in SA) and I have an urgent request for some help. I have just had a phone call from a girlfriend who is a GP. She had with her a young woman (24YRS from Broken Hill) who has been deeply traumatised by her last birth 10 months ago. She now suffers from chronic pain in her upper body and my friend believes it has a lot to do with her unresolved issues from the birth. She also has dyslexia quite badly and cannot read or write very well and as a result, the midwives and doctors in the hospital in broken Hill have basically said she is too "simple" to understand her condition and cannot manage it herself. She has a very overbearing mother-in-law who is a nurse that dictates what she thinks is good for this young girl, and as a result she is fast loosing the plot. She has a second child (about two I think) and all she really wants is to talk to someone about her birthing experience and get some kind of resolution and counselling. Is there anyone who can help? Please let me know and I will pass on any details to her. Emailing directly to this young mother is not really an option due to her dyslexia and she does really need to talk to someone face to face.Thanking you in anticipation!Tory XXOO
Re: [ozmidwifery] birthing in dam water
Hi again Frank. I have been interested in the concept of Hypno Birthing ever since I spent time with Nancy Wainer (Cohen) in the USA in 1997. I have also put out feelers for a course to be conducted here in West Australia. Any chance of that happening in the near future? I'm not against hypnobirthing or any other kind of relaxation method but also do not want the physical feeling to be denigrated either. In the interest of a range of birth choices for all, , Mary Murphy -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] dam H2O filtration
You wrote: he suggests that you may be able to use a swimming pool pump or your pressure pumpwith a paper cartridge filter attached for turbidity (maybe you can borrow one from a pool shop) and use something like Milton's baby solution to kill the bacteria. This contains chlorine and again you may be able to get the water tested by the pool shop it may not be perfect but it would have to be better than nothing. What a really good idea! thanks for the info. MM . Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] birthing in dam water
Hi Frank, in the spirit of good discussion, not hostility, I offer the thought that the people who tell me about pain free labour and birth are all men. Despite the thoughts behind the sentiments about why women fear labour and feel pain, Even in Biblical times women felt pain and expressed the emotion and the physical feelings. Yes, hypnobirthing makes women birth much more easily and without anquish as I believe it is a very good meditation/relaxation method which helps women go with it without fighting it. As a woman who birthed her 1st 38yrs ago, I was unafraid (and very ignorant) of labour and birth. My mother told me it was easy, and it was. BUT it was still painful at a level I could deal with (only 3 hrs that I could identify.) I went on to birth 3 more and found it a very lonely experience (not frightening) in the labour wards of tiny hospitals in Papua New Guinea. I think Lieve is more on the track. There is nothing wrong with pain, it doesn't kill one and it is very character building. I guess I look at it as muscles working really strongly. Marathon runners, triathaletes etc also feel the pain of muscles working hard. I did a stress test on a bicycle this week and believe me, the muscles did hurt!. (Only 15 mins, not 8-15 hrs). Lets support women through their experience, not try always to rescue them. Cheers, MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] birthing in dam water
Hi Frank, I guess you said that just to get a rise out of us all.(??) As a man you have obviously never laboured and given birth. Tthe water is s soothing and relaxing. No it doesn't take the pain away altogether or in some cases much at all, but when women get out of the tub for some reason, they rush right back in again. The water seems to give them flexibility of movement without effort and they can position their bodies whichever way helps. Most times the aim is not water birth, but water labour. The birth happens in the tub because getting out, or the hospital rules, pulling the plug, is so awful. Babies come to the surface gently and flexibly and seem so calm, most times. As for dam water, I have had clients in the country in similar circumstances but they found a way of getting enough water for the last stage of labour in a much smaller tub than what they had used for the several hours whilst in the last few hrs of first stage. A bit cumbersomne, but it worked fine. Others just birthed in the dam water and it wasn't a problem. Pete, turbidity doesn't necessarily mean full of bacteria. Get it analysed and then decide. Cheers, MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] RUBELLA SCREENING (OR CALL ME LORETTA)
- Don't socilaise, don't eat the wrong foods, don't do anything that may stress your body and act like you are sick for 9 months so that dr's can look after you. Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RUBELLA SCREENING (OR CALL ME LORETTA) I am interested to see who had the last word! So did you walk out with the Dr scratching for reasons or did you just walk out? Curious about this as your point of view seems so valid - i was told it was so you would know and avaiod but then again perhaps you should just become an hermit for the entire pregnancy. Don't socilaise, don't eat the wrong foods, don't do anything that may stress your body and act like you are sick for 9 months so that dr's can look after you. Or you could just live! Congratulations!! Rhonda ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 00:12:17 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] RUBELLA SCREENING (OR CALL ME LORETTA) Dear List, Does anyone know anything about rubella screening during pregnancy? It was just recommended to me by my GP (yup, just found out that baby # 2 is due next July!) but he couldnt give me a clear answer as to why I ought to have my rubella status checked. Being something of a questioner of medical opinion anyway, the appointment went something like a scene from Life of Brian: DOC: Have you had your rubella status checked? LYN: No, but Ive had rubella, surely that would make me somewhat immune. DOC: Not necessarily. LYN: Well if I found out that I wasnt immune, I wouldnt let you vaccinate me while I was pregnant anyway. DOC: I wouldnt let anyone vaccinate you, that would be dangerous. LYN: So then if I found out I wasnt immune, the only advantage would be that Id stay away from people with rubella, though I would have been likely to anyway. DOC: You wouldnt know they were infectious until it was too late anyway. LYN: So whats the point? DOC: Hmm? LYN: Whats the point of checking my rubella status when nothing could be done about the outcome anyway? DOC: To see if youre at risk, of course! (WHICH SHOULD HAVE READ: It is symbolic of our struggle against disease. TO WHICH I SHOULD HAVE REPLIED: Symbolic of your struggle against reality!) Or am I being harsh? Love, Lyn -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robyn ThompsonSent: Tuesday, 3 December 2002 5:17 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] lotus birth Sarah is a GP who has had 4 homebirths and writes wonderful articles, she has written quite a lot about Lotus Birth. Good Luck [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Julie GarrattSent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 4:25 PMTo: ozmidSubject: [ozmidwifery] lotus birth Hi fellow listers, Where can I find information on Lotus Birth? is there any dangers? what are the implications for the mother/child? I've heard of them and I'd love some more info. Sounds really spiritual and karmic. Thankyou for yet again feeding my curiosity. Julie'', Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [ozmidwifery] RUBELLA SCREENING (OR CALL ME LORETTA)
You wrote"Don't socilaise, don't eat the wrong foods, don't do anything that may stress your body and act like you are sick for 9 months so that dr's can look after you." Then go into labour and we will give you as many chemicals as you like, as long as they are the ones WE approve of. MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come together
Hi Lieve, 8 yrs ago I had a woman who had an U/S at 20 wks for her 4th baby (never had one before) and there were no abnomalities picked up on examination. Subsequently, she had a lovely homebirth waterbirth and had a little boy with good weight and APGARS. He wasn't as vigorous as the other children but fed and slept well. At about 2 wks of age he was going a bit blue in the lips after a feed and when X-Rayed was found to have an undeveloped left side of the heart. At that stage the only place to get treatment was thousands of kilometres away in Melbourne and only a 50/50 chance.of survival. The parents bravely opted not to put the baby through the operation and he died at home when he was 4 weeks old. The parents were so glad he was born at home and spent most of his short life with his family, in an atmosphere of love. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] W.A. Contacts
One of the best natural birth/parenting/breast feeding supports over here is the Family Nurturing Centre in Cottesloe. It is basically a yoga group that "growed." the Principals, Sydel and Sam Weinstein are on a much deserved break in The USA until the New Year but there is someone "holding the fort" until they come back. Midwife Susanjane Morison is also part of it and is also away. They have a 24 hr parenting hotline as part of their support. The ph No is (08) 93832229. they also have a web site but I don't have the address here at home. I will post it next week. As Sally says, she will be able to give other information. Cheers, MM - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 2:06 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] W.A. Contacts Hi all, I have an email from a mum asking for info about attachment/ natural parenting groups/ seminars/ support over there - anyone whose details I can forward? I try to network mums who contact me with supportive professionals/ others as they often seem very isolated as they swim against the tide in their mothering journey. Pinky
Re: [ozmidwifery] National get-together/Conference
Hi Andrea, I think this is a great idea!. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] SalariedVersusContract
You wrote:"if a midwife wants to change her orientation then perhaps a retraining could be offered?? However, this is the current system unless you go off and start your own practice." The Community Mid Program in W.A have a Preceptoring program which employs a midwife for 8 Months and she is preceptored by a senior homebirth midwife for 10 cases ( the number needed for ACMI accreditation). It works very well but as usual, since the loss of our autonomy with the P.I. insurance debacle, we are struggling to get it funded adequately. The Dept of health can retrain for Re registration at the cost of about $5,000 but it takes a period of time and heaps more money to accredit a community midwife. I guess the difference between an obstetric nurse and an autonomous midwife. Once again, the priorities are not with midwifery. MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] SalariedVersusContract
Denise Wrote Why not CONTRACT midwives to give continuity of care to healthy women? That is how we midwives in W.A. and the Community Midwifery Program worked before the P.I. insurance failure. The only problem with contracting, is that all contractors HAVE to have P.I. insurance. That is why we are now in an unsatisfactory salaried position. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Children at births
I am always on the lookout for children at birth stories for parents to help them make up their minds about having little ones at births. With everyone's permission I will delete names etc and paste them into a folder for the parents to read. In anticipation, MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] big baby fear?
You wrote: "the baby having a full knot in the cord" I have birthed a number of babies safely that after the birth, were discovered to have full knots in the cord. Can one diagnose these by u/s? How did they know before her c/s that is what was present? MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Susanna Joy arrived :)
Woo Weee! I am so happy for you Jackie! What a brave and wonderful woman!!! Isn't it amazing what a woman's body can do when allowed?. I know you are sooo tired and busy, but if you live North of the River,(or not too far south) we have an after birth get together on the first Thursday of the month at our Leederville office at 336 Oxford St, 10am - 1pm or whatever time you want to come. Bring the under two. It is very informal, bring a packet of bikkies or something small, a dip or what ever. Today we had mums and babies ranging from 6 days to 1 year. Sometimes a friend or sister or Mother (/in law) come as well and add their little bit. the next one is Thurs 5th Dec. Cheers, MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] registration
Different states have different rules. If one wants to register as a midwife only in W.a., prior registration in another state which does allow it is necessary. Direct entry Midwives who need to work in W.A. have to be registered in the other state before they can get registration here via the mutual obligations legislation which allows cross border transfer of qualifications.as midwives. MM - Original Message - From: elizabeth mcalpine To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] registration Marilyn, Are you also a nurse? Because when I told the Vic Nurses Board that I only wanted to register as a midwife, they told me that it was not possible. I asked about the new midwives - those graduates without nursing- I was told they'd think of that then. Liz Mc - Original Message - From: Aviva Sheb'a To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] registration Hearty, hearty CONGRATULATIONS, Marilyn!!! Well done! May you assist women and babies -- and fathers --in beautiful births for many years to come! Love, Aviva - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:42 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] registration It seems I have a few of options re work (non of which are caseload - laterI hope) which I am mulling over; BUT my big news at the moment is:OK!! you have it hot off the internet... I am registered to practise as anon-nurse, midwife only, in Queensland, Australia as of November 7th, 2002.You can see this for yourself by going to.www.qnc.qld.gov.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hypnobirthing
Hi Frank, I have been very intersted in hypnobirthing since visiting with Nancy Wainer Cohen in the USA. I am still waiting for someone to come to Perth and do some training workshops. Is there anything in the wind? Cheers, MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] on holidays
Hi all, I will be on holidays in Canberra Melbourne for 10 days so I'll be off the list for a while. Cheers, MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: insurance bailout for obstetricians.....
Did you REALLY send this.. Please don't send attatchments. MM - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: insurance bailout for obstetricians. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] flouride suppliments in pregnancy
I can only speak from personal experience. I lived in PNG when I was a young woman and had my babies there. we drank only rain water and the big push in australia was for fluoride supplements. I took them with one of my children and gave them all childrens doses when they were growing. When his teeth came through he was the only one with discoloured teeth. For that and all the other reasons about fluoride being a poison, I wouldn't recommend it. MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] catslyst
My Grandmother taught me to always rub the cutting board with the cut half of a lemon to kill the germs and to soak slightly off meat in a weak solution of vinegar and water for the same reason... works a treat. Must be the acid changing the Ph. No quite the same as the vagina I know. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] How awful is this!
I GUESS WE ARE ALL APPALLED, BUT I WONDER WHAT WE HAVE DONE ABOUT IT SINCE WE FIRST READ THE POST. II KNOW I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING! (sorry about the caps, wrong key) I suppose the best thing would be to write to Federal State Health Ministers and especially the Prime Minister on the unintended consequences of the push to private health funds.It was supposed to benefit the economy and then the patient. What a failure in the maternity area. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Smelling babies
I'm afraid that I have never consciously smelt a baby coming. I wonder if all the water births we do interfere with that? MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Test message,CMP
Great message, thanks. I seem to have got the "bugs" out now. We are currently doing a consumer write - in campaign to encourage the minister to properly fund the Community Midwifery Program. We operate on the 'smell of an oily rag' and heaps of unpaid work from midwives, administrators and office staff. If anyone in W.A. wants to write on our behalf, I'll send them the details. My personal email address is now [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cheers, MM
[ozmidwifery] test message
Could someone please send me a message via the list so I can check my in mail. If I don't reply, could you please send one to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and tell me what message you sent? Thanks, MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] test message
Thanks, Looks like I have beaten the problem. MM - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] test message MaryReply for you - hope you don't get too many :-)Debbie
[ozmidwifery] Re:consent forms
The forms are VERY new. I don't know how it works, I am sure there is someone on the list from KEMH who could answer. My guess would be that they only get them when induction is proposed or like the epidural one, when the woman is asking for the treatment. I am not sure. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Canberra Birth Centre?
I have a personal interest in a baby who is due in Canberra in May 03. The woman had her first baby 5 yrs ago and had a ?woman obstetrician. she desn't know about any other model. I would very much like to give her information about a midwifery model of care. Can someone please send me information I can pass on? Also, I will be visiting Canberra in 3 weeks and would very much like to see your Birth centre. Is that possible? Thanks, MM
[ozmidwifery] name change
My new email address from tomorrow will be [EMAIL PROTECTED]I was getting spam at the rate of 100/day and this change is in desperation!
Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis Antibiotics
Are you familiar with homeopathics? It sounds like you need a remedy called Belladonna. It would be best to contact a homoepath in your area there is also a remedy available freely in health food stores and many pharmacies which stock homoeopathic remedies(here in W.A.) called Antinplex or another name for it is Fever Inflammation I never recommend antibiotics for mastitis as I can alsways help with the homoeopathics. Hope you can get something soon. Don't forget the Heat, RES, empty the breast and cover the area with cabbage leaves. best wishes, MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] virus alert
I have been getting heaps of virus's stopped by my virus alert thank goodness. I think they are coming both from the Ozmid list and Birthnews list. MM - Original Message - From: Sandra J. Eales To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 5:18 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] virus alert There was a virus attached to posting from Denise "RANCOG on NMAP" virus name "WORM_BUGBEAR.A"
Re: [ozmidwifery] hi there _ question regarding induction
Jackie, the labour will be more efficient (and less harmful) if the natural hormones work in the right sequence. We only have one synthetic hormone, sytocinon to FORCE the uterus to work in induction. If prostaglandin gel is used to soften the cervix, there are other complications possible (some serious). One never knows how big a baby will be until it is born, not even with U/S. and the woman's body is a wondrous thing when allowed to work in it's own way.You have already birthed a big baby for the first birth and that one is the hardest. It is very interesting that KEMH now have a set of consent forms for women in the case of induction, forceps,etc which clearly talks about the complications of the proposed treatment. All hospitals should have them! (well done KEMH). I am not sure that it would cut the rates of induction, but at least women would know before- hand. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] hi there _ question regarding induction
Hi Jackie, if you think it would help to talk to a midwife in Perth, I am a homebirth midwife who has recently had a few overdue clients, including my daughter 19days over. My home phone No is 9440 1310. or email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] regards. Mary Murphy -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] SUNDAY AND MONDAY's GOOD NEWS
FAN TAS TIC!! Love from Mary Murphy -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Replies to posts
Jo Wrote "I think that we should be conscious of the fact that some post thingsand there is sometimes no replies. To inadvertently ignore a fellow birth related supporter should try and be avoided at all costs." I often don't reply because I just accept that this is someone's opinion-statement according to them. If there is a question asked or it seems a real request for opinion-help, then I reply ifI have something to add. cheers, MM.
Re: [ozmidwifery] NMAP launch for south west WA
Congrats Pete! MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] BMJ Stories
The first story is about treatment by Magnesium sulphate for women with severe P.E.The conclusion is about why such a cheap effective treatment isn't being used. FASCINATING! http://bmj.com/cgi/content/full/325/7365/609 The second is about the spin media put on medical research.. "The operation was a success!" (but the patients died)http://bmj.com/cgi/content/full/325/7365/664
[ozmidwifery] A mans point of view.
I think I've lost my sense of humour. This raised my hackles. MM PREGO: A READING BY SEAN KELLY (Life Matters: 12/9/2002)Life Matters' Man About The House gives his response to the mysterious,terrifying, wonderful world of childbirth.http://abc.net.au/rn/talks/lm/stories/s668218.htm
Re: [ozmidwifery] Waterbirth
Altho I have been attending waterbirths fo 15 yrs, I would still be very interested in your "standards", as would many others. Is it possible to share it with us? MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds
Unfortunately, women are sent straight to the Obs by their G.P as soon as they are aware they are pregnant. Its like an assembly line. MM Mary this ob can't be very booked out if he can see womenas early as12 weeks! WHat a worry
Re: [ozmidwifery] Post maturity Vs Post dates
Is the "due date" a stupid mistake or is it me? If research told us some 10 yrs ago that only 5% of all women have their babies on the "due" date, then it is not the women and babies that are at fault, but the calculation of this mythical due date. 95% of women and babies can't be wrong! MM - Original Message - This is one of the issues we have to face now in practice - becausefew women's pregnancies are "let" go beyond 41 weeks, there islittle experience within the professions of knowing womenwhose pregnancies extend (unsurprisingly)beyond even 41 weeks in may places. I know we have recently had a lot of information on post dates, however the current definitiion of "post dates", according to observable practiceseems to bepost 40 weeks!
Re: [ozmidwifery] Where are the 'natural' births???
AT HOME! Sorry about the thoughts about changing things. The other staff will only think you are upstarts. Cheers, MM "Where are all of these non-interventionist births happening?? Some of us have seen some horrific, sometimes avoidable things happening to women. We can't wait until we graduate and can have a say in what goes on."
Re: [ozmidwifery] Post maturity Vs Post dates
Jo," post dates" means a calendar calculation -time. "post mature" is a specific syndrome where the baby loses weight and the liquor volume diminishes significantly etc. etc. They are two different things and it is the "post mature syndrome" that is the one for concern. MM I always thought postdates was anything after the EDB. Post mature, however is when the baby is actually post -term. Now they've changed when post term is, so postmaturity occurs sooner.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
The Guthrie card in W.A. asks for birth weight. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
Denise! don't encourage me. It's just that at the age of 60, one doesn't have a lot to lose by refusing to do things which I see to be unhelpful, untruthful or midleading. I guess you'll all just have to tolerate me till I retire when I'm 75. MM - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss Oh what a wonderfully naughtie and empowering midwife this woman Mary Murphy is!! I know from personal expereince Denise Hynd - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss How would I know? I never weigh babies at day 3. In a well population, even if not feeding too well on the first few days they usually pick up. One can tell by looking at them if they are not doing well. Weigh on day 10 is a good measure and even then I don't worry tooo much. Most of the time I believe that scales are a superfluous piece of equipment. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
I wonder if this woman knows that the baby was cephalic at birth and her C/S was unnecessary? or was it hushed up? MM - Original Message - Today a booboo was made :A primip -- elective c/s for breech presentation.Came out cephalic.Last u/s was at 27 weeks.Now she has a scar on her uterus :( (ETC)...
Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
I think I love this midwife! we could be soulmates? My Mum (a Maternity Nurse in the late 1930's) who caught lots and lots of babies in the S.w of W.a. told me that the real weight was after they had their first poo. I just think that this obsession with weight starts when babies are born. what does it weigh? comes after What is it? This obsession carries on throughout life and one is never the right weight . I definitely am not!. and I love myself anyway. MM - Original Message - The only time that I had any of my 5 babies weighed on day 3 was when the midwife..a wonderful woman...failed to get around to it until then ! She didn't bother to weigh her immediately after the birth as 'she looked to be a good weight' and then only bothered on day 3 as I insisted that I needed to give all interested parties a better answer than 'she's a good weight' My midwife stated that whatever weight she was at day 3 would almost be the lowest that she would ever be as it was common knowledge to her that nearly all babies lost weight during the first couple of days. When I quizzed her about this she replied 'sure Melanie , use your common sense , the wee things are all knackered and sleepy after their journeys and are having a bit of rest and giving you time to recover before getting down to the serious business of feeding and growing...it seemed like a good answer at the time!Mel -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sacred Singing
Title: Message Am I right in thinking this is in the "Eastern States"? MM Thankyou for your enquiry... The"Ïntuitive Midwifery" workshop is open to all women and you would be most welcome. It is a big day,Sat 28th September (and another on the 29th when that fills) going from 8am registration for a 9am start until 9 0çlock at night. It is to be held at "The Monastary"in Glen Osmond Road...and a light breakfast plus, morning and afternoon teas, lunch, and dinner are provided. It will be facilitated by myself, a midwife in private practice for the past 14 years...Nic Edmondstone who creates visual of birth of great beauty and inspiration.. andas you noticed..Cait Devlin, a celtic singer. Wehave only a very small number attending the day and the Cost is $350. It promises to be a very special day. If you would like a brochure with more info and booking form please send your snail mail. Yours for better birth... Vicki -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Vance EdwinaSent: Monday, September 09, 2002 1:07 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sacred Singing Hi Vicki Nic, Where, when and cost? Cheers, Edwina (SA) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Vicki ChanSent: Monday, 9 September 2002 4:21 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sacred Singing We are very happy that Caitlin Devlin celtic singer extraordinaire will be joining us as part of the "Intuitive Midwifery" Workshops It is going to be wonderful... do join us! Vicki and Nic
Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
How would I know? I never weigh babies at day 3. In a well population, even if not feeding too well on the first few days they usually pick up. One can tell by looking at them if they are not doing well. Weigh on day 10 is a good measure and even then I don't worry tooo much. Most of the time I believe that scales are a superfluous piece of equipment. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] ABA endorsing NMAP ?
"nursing Mother assoc" has never ever supported homebirth. I was never allowed to talk to women in the group about homebirth. It seems that activelynot supporting homebirth, while tacitly supporting hospital birth, is discrimination. I have always felt this way. MM - Original Message - From: Larry Megan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 2:18 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] ABA endorsing NMAP ? Hi Denise and list, I asked an Adelaide ABA member (in an unnofficial way) to approach the board re NMAP , this is part of what she was able to reply to me The reply that I have received back from one of the board members mentions the following concerns: 1. How well educated in the art of breastfeeding are the midwives? Will there be consistency of care and information? 2. What commitment to breastfeeding does this body have? 3. Are there any WHO Codeissues involved? 4. ABA probably doesn't have a 'place' entering a political sphere primarily between midwives and obstetricians. There are big questions here that would need considerable discussion and theboard feels that at this time they cannot justify the time and energy to pursue this cause. There are so many response to this, even without time and energy spent. Regards Megan -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Denise HyndSent: Friday, 6 September 2002 8:48To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] sleepless night Barbara I have sent at least three e-mails to the national ABA president asking the board to consider endorsing NMAP as the breastfeeding outcomes of this option are excellent. But so far I have not had a response?Can you please help??Denise hynd - Original Message - From: barbara glare chris bright To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] sleepless night Dear Denise, Yes, I am. Love, Barb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds
Once again thanks for the info re Vag Ultrasounds. I have a gut feeling that this is a dangerous procedure for the foetus as it gets so close to it and is not even " filtered" throught the abdominal fat and muscle. It is also a gross invasion of a woman's body. I wonder if the operator "gets off" on it? I also wonder about all the guff that goes on about how accurate ultrasound dating is at any period of pregnancy. I would like all u/s providers to have to keep and punlish accurate and up to date data on when the babies wered actually born in comparison to when u/s predicted they were due. MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound
We read the AIMS booklet on ultrasound, It is called ultrasound, unsound MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Bendigo midwife
Is there a midwife practicing in homebirth in the Bendigo area? Is there a midwife /birth centre combination practice in Bendigo. If not, whats the other best option? thanks, Mary M
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds
Thank you for your replies. I actually think we have none of those very valid reasons. It makes me want to ring him up and object, or put a sign up outside his offices, but I know it wouldn't be a good strategy, even for me. MM - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 5:30 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds The most common reason I have found for early u/s is infertility. I had a couple of clients in the Seattle who were undergoing fertility treatment and they had weekly u/s plus serial HCG titres done by the fertility clinic routinely. These were IVF clients I seem to recall. Both of these ladies transferred care to our midwifery clinic once their pregnancy was established. For one of these women the u/s had become very reassuring so when at 10 weeks we were unable to detect a heartbeat with a doppler (also u/s , I know) she requested being sent back to the clinic for a vaginal u/s despite our advice, all was ok and she went on to have a lovely birth. So, maybe this OB is a fertility specialist? The only other reasons I know of for doing a Vaginal u/s would be suspicion of an ectopic pregnancy and to accurately date the pregnancy for an abortion. marilyn - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 5:47 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds There is an obstetrician in Perth who routinely performs vaginal ultrasound in his rooms before 12 weeks gest. Is this an accepted practice and what would the reasons be for such a practice? MM
[ozmidwifery] lactnet site
Could some one please post the lactnet site for me? I seem to have "lost" it. Thanks, MM
[ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds
There is an obstetrician in Perth who routinely performs vaginal ultrasound in his rooms before 12 weeks gest. Is this an accepted practice and what would the reasons be for such a practice? MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Presenting a united front
"Maybe I am having a bad day but once again i am saddened to read KEMH represented as thelowest possible standard - but I spose it is refreshing to hear some other birth place is being less flexible than KEMH is." Jenny... The glass is half full, not half empty! I wasn't intentionally alluding to KEMH as the "lowest possible standard". I was meaning that even tho the clinic this year it has minimised the induction range and is strongly suggesting to women that they be induced at 7 days, the Birth Centre is still holding to it's original standards, which is to be applauded!. Cheer up, Mary M
[ozmidwifery] W.A. Midwifery review
I recently heard that there has been (is?) a review of midwifery services in W.A. headed by Dr Harry Cohen and Robyn Collins, head honcho Obstetric Nurse Manager at KEMH(sorry don't know her correct title).This has been going on for some time and I have never heard of it, nor has other people one would have expected to know. The review is apparently going to be VERY significant in thedirection midwifery services in W.A. will be provided. Do any of you know anything about this review and it's consequences??? If you don't want to reply via the list, my email is : [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks, MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Emily's list
Denise, www.emilyslist.org.auCheers, Mary M Do you have a web sie and email contact for Emily's List I tried thru the ALP web site search but no go
Re: [ozmidwifery] Independant Practice
Well done! MM I've just come home from another birth. First baby 9hr labour, no analgesia, babyboy born at 2059, all's well and everyone is extremely pleased with themselves
Re: [ozmidwifery] water
I wonder why they go to the expense of putting in a bath if one is not allowed to use it?? MM - Original Message - From: Debby M After that you can really only advise women to do what I did - as consumers - and that is demand the right to use the facilities.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Independant Practice
For accreditation, the place of birth is not the issue. The issue is that you have provided primary midwifery care during pregnancy, labour and birth and post partum for 10 xcases. It sounds as tho that is what you are doing.(?)
Re: [ozmidwifery] Presenting a united front
Induced at term plus 8 and transferred out of the birth centre? Why? even at KEMH FBC it doesn't become mandatory till day 14. MM - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Presenting a united front Mary, I totally agree with you but today I am wondering just why we try with some. She was having her second baby, prostin induction for term plus 8 on the start day of the induction, no action after 4 doses over 2 days so the doctors were talking about an elective CS. I spoke to the woman and normally tact, diplomacy and caring are something I am good at but obviously not good enough. I find out today that she doesn't like me because I told her "that she doesn't need a CS". Obviously I was wrong as she got to 5cm (started to labour the night before) and stayed there for 6 hours then had an abdominal delivery of a 4.7 kg baby. I know my focus was not that she doesn't need the CS but "you don't know if you can birth normally if you don't try" and at the time she seemed interested in the concept. She had been a client of the Birth Centre till they had to hand her over for being post term. Have not spoken to her yet as I have been too busy in Birth Suite. Will see her tomorrow night. I feel very disappointed and let down. I guess I should focus instead on the two photos from different appreciative families that have been given to me this week. They will be scanned and added to my album of mums I have worked with. Judy From: "Mary Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: "ACMI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Presenting a united front Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:35:46 +0800 As a Fellow of the Australian College of midwifes and a member and worker for 20 yrs, I must also say that I am disappointed in the deafening silence of the ACMI Executive about the overall state of maternity services. As a midwife in private practice, I see that the insurance issue and my own conditions of employment are up to me to fight for. I don't expect that the ACMI should do that. However, when the majority midwives are (for all kinds of personal reasons) colluding in the medicalisation of births of the the women of Australia, I feel like a raging lioness, wanting to protect my young. Medicalisation causes the majority of babies in Australia to be born imprinted in a drug filled haze. In todays West Australian newspaper it stated that W.A. had the 2nd highest illegal drug problem in Australia. Is it any wonder! Women who wish to birth naturally without drugs and the midwives who support them are seen to be deviates. After attending the births of 4 women in the last 2 weeks, a 3rd baby , 5.2kgs, no tears, no drugs, who was told to have a C/S because she wouldn't be able to birth the baby; a primip who birthed a 3.6kgs baby in 7 hrs, no tears, no drugs; a primip who birthed a 3.8kg baby in 6 hrs, labial tears, no drugs and a primip who birthed a 4.4kgs baby in 12hrs, no tears or drugs- all waterbirths. Waterbirths are not allowed in our hospitals or our birth centre because they are "dangerous", yet it is O.K to fill them up with epidurals or drugs by another route, or even to indoctrinate women to the idea that planned caesareans are "risk free", then blame them for choosing that option... or even giving them that option. Some of the women above had personal histories which may have caused a planned casarean, or an instrumental delivery if they had stuck with the medical model and their midwives had gone for the epidural, hospital birth scenario. Patience and encouragement allowed them to triumph and experience real healing in their births. What is happening out there? Where is our professional body upholding what is right, not just what is politic? I would like to see so much more public comment from the Executive of the ACMI about the state of maternity care (or lack of true care). It truly is a toothless tigeress. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Natural Birth
Hi Rosemary, I read your post with interest. Congratulations on your initiative! I want to tell you that you can practice as an independant midwife without the ACMI accreditation. I realise that you would like to do it with the ACMI Certificate of Accreditation, but you don't have to. Read the legislation for the state you are in. Mostly, when one is a registered midwife with the Nurse's Board, one has thequalifications to practice anywhere as a midwife, especially if you are doing your births in a hospital. All the accreditation does is act as a benchmark for those of us who work outside the hospital, to ensure that we keep updated. It doesn't grant one any priviledges, or bestow any wisdom. That comes with experience. Best wishes in your work, Sincerely, Mary Murphy.-
Re: [ozmidwifery] Moral Indignation
I recently joined Emily's List, an ALP organisation. Why? Mostly because I just love their slogan."When women support women, women win!" I think that says it all. MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] good publicity!
"The Rove guest was Tracy Bartrum (sp?) she is the radio jock in Melbourne I think. As she did say all this on national television she has good as given us an invitation to write to her and plead with her to be promoting NMAP!! Is she the radio jock that we were all chatting abut recently?" I didn't see this programand wouldnt know if it was shown in W.A. Tracy was my client for Max's birth and was the same one we were chatting about. She would just LOVE to be approached about endorsing AMAP. I don't have her present address, but someone, Please approach her. Cheers, MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: FYI :RESEARCH
Thanks for this. I had a real belly laugh! I needed the pickup after two primip births in the last 24 hrs. Cheers, MM - Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 8:09 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: FYI :RESEARCH Totally off topic sad that this is probably true - but it is funny! FOR YOUR INFORMATION There is more money being spent on breast implants and Viagra than on Alzheimers Research. By 2020 there should be a large elderly population with perky boobs and erections, with no recollection of what to do with them. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
