Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping
When my last was born 2 years ago, so I had 4 under 5 years, it was amazing what a vasectomy did for our sex lives. I highly recommend it for those who have 'finished' having babies. Jo - Original Message - From: Nikki Macfarlane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping I do remember saying help yourself Im asleep (which did seem to offend but I was too tired to give a damn on that particular occasion). but I never found breastfeeding to inhibit desire or lubrication etc. I have found myself the odd one out in discussions which tend to blame breastfeeding for lack of interest. I actually felt really sexy -I had tits!! for the first time, so I guess we can be victims of our conditioning whether it is the madonna whore effect which some mums explain means they dont feel that they can equate being a mother with being spontaneous, or who the breasts belong to - me actually! Loved the help yourself comment Pinky. I see an enormous range of normal amongst mothers. Being exhausted makes an enormous differnce to how interested a person is going to be in sex. As does stress. I am not sure the lack of desire many women feel while breastfeeding is simply conditioning. Speaking from absolute personal experience, I thoroughly enjoy sex when I am not breastfeeding and have a particularly good time when I am pregnant and definitely have a supercharged libido. I am not able to blame housework on my lack of interest - living as an expat I don't have any. Stress from looking after the kids is not the issue either - three of them are at school all day and then I have full time help with them in the afternoons and they are not exactly exhausting like they were when they were little (two now in early teens). I never feel tired or run down. I never feel particularly stressed. But I am very definitely not interested in any form of sex while I am breastfeeding. It is purely a hormonal issue - once I stop feeding I get those old feelings all flooding back - at least that has happened the last 3 times so fingers crossed for this one! On the opposite end of the scale I have worked with many women who have been hotter than hot from soon after giving birth despite feeding. Just depends on the woman I guess! Nikki Macfarlane -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] homebirth and celebs
Hi all, I read in a glossy mag at the supermarket counter today that Gwenyth Paltrow was planning a homebirth in her mum's home - does anyone know if this is true? Ta in advance Jo
Re: [ozmidwifery] sleep stuff
Hi Cas, That's great news, I hope it continues for you. I found with my 4 children (7,5 4 and 2) that sleep definately promoted sleep (as little bubs) - the more they slept the more they wanted to. If they had really decent big sleeps in the day, then they would sleep really well at night. I really don't agree with this waking baby up from a day nap so he'll sleep better at night. I never made a conscious decision to co-sleep and we didn't really do it. All of my babies had their own cot or bassinet pushed right up against our bed so that at night when they woke I'd lift them out to feed them and place then back in after the feed - sometimes we'd both fall asleep and wake up 3 hours later with the baby still attached and ready for the next lot of sucking, other times they'd feed themselves into a deep slumber and sleep in their bassinet next to the bed. I was very lucky with my bubs (yes - lucky - nothing I did I believe) and all of my babes were great sleepers. All 4 now sleep in their own beds - 2 sharing each room and come in for a cuddle first thing in the morning. I do agree with your comment on co-sleeping is not for everyone, different strokes for different folks. I know as many babies who have co-slept and are nightmare sleepers waking every 1/2 - 1 hour for feeds as there are babies who have slept in a cot waking that often. There are no hard and fast rules, one day at time, see what works for you and your bub and stick with it! all the best for lovely sleep! Jo x - Original Message - From: Wayne and Cas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 9:18 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] sleep stuff Well, we tried the side car thing last night and he went down without any hassles at 8.30, then woke up at 10pm so I fed him and gently rolled him over to the cot and he didn't stir until 5am this morning. So far so good. It was the best night's sleep I've had in weeks. Thanks for all of your suggestions. I wanted to add though that sleeping with children and babies is not right for everyone. I don't actually know too many adults or children that seem affected by the fact their parents made them sleep in a cot when they were babies. There is a lot more to parenting than whether you co-sleep or not. Ie. If you don't love your kids unconditionally, no amount of co-sleeping is going to give the added security a child needs. I think we are all individuals and so are our children and we just need to work out what best suits them. When Liam was the same age as Daniel he was very hands off, didn't want hugs, didn't want the breast a lot and it hurt me at the time but it was what he needed. Daniel is a totally different baby. I will let you know if our good fortune last night continues. Cheers Cas. Cas, Wayne, Liam and Daniel McCullough [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.casmccullough.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Fw: NRMA
Hi all, NRMA Health Funds are discontinuing rebates for homebirth and midwifery homecare. Below are the details and address to write letters too. thanks Jo Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 2:03 PM Subject: FW: NRMA Subject: NRMA Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:32:07 +1100 Hi Rob, Would you be able to pass this information through the email to our families please. NRMA Health Fund are discontinuing rebates for homebirths and midwifery home care as they believe this service is not used. We need to write to NRMA as either members or prospective members to complain. Not only should the rebate for homebirths remain but it should be increased to the equivalent rebate paid for women who choose to birth their babies in a private hospital with a private obstetrician, which, if they ended up with a caesarean (private hospitals have a 25 - 50% caesarean rate) would cost upwards of $10,000 to cover fees for: 1.. hospital stay ($4000 - $6000) - this cost may not cover labour ward fees 2.. Obstetrician ($3500 - $4500) 3.. Anaesthetist (for epidural in labour which is almost assured at a private hospital or a general if required for the caesarean) 4.. Routine Paediatrician check ($150 - $200) 5.. Physiotherapy 6.. Operating theatre costs 7.. Every drug is itemised and charged to your account, even panadol. Comparatively speaking, homebirthing is saving the government and the health funds an enormous cost. Letters should be addressed to: Jenece Coyles Customer Service Manager NRMA Health Fund Myra _ Protect your inbox from harmful viruses with new ninemsn Premium. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp?banner=emailtagreferrer=hotmail -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Fw: [homebirth_services] Sunrise opportunity
Great opportunity for change! Get those fingers working! Please see below. Jo - Original Message - From: Philippa Scott To: Sandra Rasmussen ; Nikki ; Millie ; honey_acharya ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; C-Aware ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 9:34 AM Subject: [homebirth_services] Sunrise opportunity Hi there everyone, I am writing to all the lists I am on and then some. The TV show Sunrise on Seven is having all of the state health ministers on the show next week and want to ask the consumers questions. I thought it would be very powerful if they got hundreds of emails from families asking about why we don't have access to 1 on 1 care by a known midwife? Why we are using the more expensive model of care by using Ob's? When will Australia start giving women the choices that they want need in their care? NZ has a great model, why are only NSW going over to check it out? The more of us who hope on ask our questions the better response we can hope for. The maternity Coalition here in QLD is getting the word out nationally. Please if you can have your say help make an impact. Heres the link. http://www.seven.com.au/sunrise/healthforum Thanks again, Philippa Scott Birth Buddies Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homebirth_services/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hypno birthing
Hi Helen and Mary, I birthed all 4 of my children in water. The first in a birth centre and the last 3 at home. With my 3rd, he decided to arrive before the midwife did and I was supported by my husband and 2 girlfriends. The top half of my body was leaning over the pool edge, hands on the floor and the bottom half emersed in water. As his head came out I lifted my bottom out of the water and my girlfriend was unsure as to whether his head could go under again. She was holding onto the back of his head and pushing it up - keeping it out of the water, which was causing some pain and feeling like I was being torn (which I wasn't). I told her to stop it and pushed his head down myself, which went back under the water (I have a video so Iam able to tell you exactly what happened). I birthed him into the water, then turned around to greet him. He was absolutely fine, which leads me to believe that it is only once the baby takes a breath that they should not be placed back beneath the water. Would love to hear others experiences of this - particularly midwives experienced in facilitating water birth. For me it felt very natural to be in water to give birth, in fact I couldn't imagine birthing on land. What I'm trying to say is that things that are right for some are not right for others. I know of many women who loved to be in the pool during labour but felt they needed to be grounded for the actual birth. Live and let live - waterbirth, hypnobirth, homebirth, as long as the woman comes away from her experience feeling powerful and positive and thatany decisions made were her decisions. Cheers Jo Hunter - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 7:35 PM Subject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hypno birthing Helen wrote: Certainly as a midwife there seems to be a few do's and don't to learn and there are various "waterbirth workshops" being run for midwives to the extent that I feel if you weren't experienced in waterbirthing you might endanger the baby's life - e.g. the mother must either stay in the water or get out of the water during crowning but mustn't interchange between the two!!! correct me if I am wrong.that worries meHelen, the more waterbirths I attend, the less I do. Actually, the only don'ts I observe is 1. don't have the water too hot-altho I am not truly convinced this is a problem as sooo many women have very hot baths in pregnancy and on the otherside, maternal fever in labour by itself, does not kill babies either. 2. If the baby's mouth is born out of water, I usually don't put the head underwater again, I birth the baby in the air. Once again, it is because I don't really know if the baby will gasp or not. More a lack of confidence in my own knowlege. Waterbirthing is a wonderful way to keep everyone away from the woman and let her do it her way and a gentle entry into the world for the baby. cheers, MM
[ozmidwifery] publicly funded homebirth on the Today show
Did anyone see the interview this morning on the Today show? Well done to Sheryl Sidery and Pia for doing such a fantastic job with the interview. Now would be the time to bombard them with letters and emails of congratulations for running the story and giving a midwife and a consumer the chance to tell their story. Good for them for running the interview after all the damage they did a few months back with that live caesarean. Jo Hunter HBA Coordinator HAS Coordinator Homebirth mum to 4 cherubs
Re: [ozmidwifery] The best news...!
I think the Sydney Morning Herald would be a good place to send a letter as it will reach more people. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] All letters and emails must include the senders home address and day and evening phone numbers for verification as well as being no more than 200 words - Good luck. Jo - Original Message - From: Jo Bourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] The best news...! As a consumer where is a letter best sent in support of this news? To Mary Chiarella? If so does any one have an address? thanks Jo At 3:37 +1100 1/3/04, Andrea Robertson wrote: From the Sydney Morning Herald today. --- Publicly funded home births for healthy women on agenda By Julie Robotham, Medical Editor March 1, 2004 http://www.smh.com.au/cgi-bin/common/popupPrintArticle.pl?path=/articles/2 004/02/29/1077989435235.htmlPrint this article http://www.smh.com.au/cgi-bin/common/popupEmailArticle.pl?path=/articles/2 004/02/29/1077989435235.htmlEmail to a friend Women would be able to give birth at home in the care of midwives employed by NSW Health under a radical proposal being considered by the department. The state's chief nursing officer, Mary Chiarella, confirmed that publicly funded home births for healthy women without medical complications were on the agenda. It would mark the first time NSW public maternity patients could have their babies outside hospital. At present, women who want to give birth at home have to employ a midwife privately, with no Medicare rebate - and most private midwives no longer carry insurance after last year's indemnity crisis. Only a handful of NSW women take this option. But Professor Chiarella said: There's no doubt there is a significant consumer drive for home birth. It's about understanding that birth can be a very healthy process. In New Zealand, home deliveries are routine - accounting for more than 10 per cent of births - while there are limited public home birth services in Western Australia and South Australia. In NSW, Professor Chiarella said, home birth midwives might be managed centrally by the department, or could be attached to hospitals or area health services. The possible arrangements would be outlined for public consultation later this year. Lesley Barclay, director of the Centre for Family Health and Midwifery at the University of Technology, Sydney, said a hospital was still the safest place to give birth when there was a known risk of a medical problem. But for healthy mothers, the risks of having their baby in hospital might outweigh the benefits. Professor Barclay said the move towards home births internationally was an acknowledgement not just of mothers' preferences, but of hospitals and health services that can no longer sustain the cost of high-intervention births when they're not necessary. There has been increasing pressure on birth services across NSW, especially in rural and regional areas where many specialist GPs and obstetricians have stopped delivering babies in response to rising insurance premiums and workloads. Professor Chiarella said working parties - including departmental managers and lawyers, doctors, midwives and consumer advocates - would examine how home births could be offered safely and equitably. This is the best news we have had for some time. Congratulations to everyone who has worked so hard on this! Regards Andrea - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Info on active versus physiological management of third stage.
Hi Dorothy, There is a booklet called 'Delivering your placenta', published by AIMS UK, it can be purchased through Birth International - $19.50. I haven't read it, I just came across it today whilst I was reading the new catalogue. It says that it looks at the pros and cons of both managed and physiological third stage. Good luck Jo Hunter - Original Message - From: Dorothy Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Info on active versus physiological management of third stage. I am in Queensland Dorothy ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 07:46:20 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Info on active versus physiological management of third stage. i don't know which state u r in ? - Original Message - From: Dorothy Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 8:29 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Info on active versus physiological management of third stage. Hi, My name is Dorothy and I am currently doing my postgraduate diploma in Midwifery and I am doing a research paper on the pros and cons of active versus physiological management of third stage of labour. What I was wondering is does anyone know of some good research articles that addresses this subject I have found a couple but need five for my assignment. I have to critique them. Thanks in advance for any assistance you can give me with this. Regards Dorothy Thomas -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. . -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL
I recently reread a birth story published in Birthings - HAS journal written by a woman whose babe was born in the caul. She wrote that after research she found that being born in the caul supposedly bestows one with great magical powers. This has possibly been said because Merlin the great wizard was born in the caul. Thanks Tina P for sharingthe entry from your journal - lovely story. Jo Hunter - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 8:12 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Dear Mary, Good on you for making the effort to explain to the paed it is the sharing of knowledge that helps create a shift in peoples attitudes. Frustrating, as it can be to deal with the arrogance of the medical profession it is still important to do as you are doing and inform others of all possibilities. I have 2 sets of birth photos on my website the 2nd of which shows a caul after the baby is born in it. I know it is not quite the photographic evidence needed; however, it might help you in informing the paed. If you visit www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au and click on about Julie and then click on the pdf file Respecting Childbirth as a Rite of Passage, you will see the photos of my babies births. The second one Ryan was born in the caul. http://www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au/Respecting%20Childbirth%20as%20a%20Rite%20of%20Passage.pdf I hope this helps. I am sure the paed would also love to know that Ryan swims like a dolphin and is a wonderfully sensitive gentle giant of a teenager J There is just something about Ryan that everyone warms to. We still have Ryans caul to keep it we had it laminated he even took it to show and tell in kindy. Now thats sharing of knowledge isnt it? You should have seen the teachers face! Warmest regards, Julie Julie Clarke CBE Childbirth and Parenting Educator ACE Grad-Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 F. (02) 9544 9257 Mobile 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au From: owner-[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Monday, 23 February 2004 10:08 PMTo: listSubject: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Today a paediatric registrar told me that it was impossible for my recent client to have birthed her baby "in the caul". He was wanting photographic proof. I explained that we didn't take photos of such events because 1)it would mean using a "flash"-He couldn't see the problem , 2) we don't know in advance that it is going to happen. Does anyone have photos of this "impossible" event?cheers, MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Doulas in the Blue Mountains
Hi Melissa, I'm a doula working in the Blue Mountains. Natalie and I team teach active birth workshops in the mountains. I have supported at Nepean private hospital as a doula and I would recommend for her not to go there. My client was extremely unimpressed, particularly with the postnatal care she received. She said there were some good midwives working on the postnatal wards their but generally felt very unsupported and ended up having major breastfeeding problems - 4 months later and has only just started fully breastfeeding - amazing persistence on her part. You can give her my contact details if she'd like to discuss her options and different hospitals. Our next workshop is Sat March 27 and Sun March 28. All the best. Jo Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: (02) 47 51 9840 - Original Message - From: Melissah Scott @ Spilt Art To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 7:10 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Doulas in the Blue Mountains I have someone who is about 18 weeks pregnant and fairly recently moved to the blue mountians (Katoomba) She is unsure of where to birth at the moment and is concidering birthing at nepean private to make use of her private health insurance. She is hoping to stay in hospital for about 5 or so days, and at nepean private her husband can stay with her. She wants to stay in for a few days because she is nervous about being able to breastfeed and take care of her bub, as she feels she has not much idea of what she is doing. So I sugested to her that maybe a doula could be of great benifit to her by the way of childbirth info, birthing and post natal care/advice etc. She is quite interested in talking to some doulas in the area. So, I thought Id try to get together a list of Doulas in the area to pass on to her. If anyone is interested, could you please either reply or email me directly with all your details [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know your around Abby, but I cant find your contact details. Thanks! Melissah www.Splitart.com
[ozmidwifery] homebirth midwife in Orange
Hi all, I had a call from a woman who has recently moved to Orange due to circumstances beyond her control. She was living in Mandurah and had employed a midwife to attend her up there for her planned homebirth. She isone of theWiradjuri-Ngemba women and her grandmother and mother, also from the same tribe, will be present at the birth. She is currently a student at the Tranby Aboriginal College and is on Abstudy. She is having difficulty finding a midwife to assist her with her birth in 4 weeks time and will not go to hospital because of her cultural beliefs (birth - is women's business and no men should be present). She is hoping to find someone who can assist her at her homebirth at a reduced rate and herself, her mother and grandmother would like to offer cultural exchange. If anyone is interested or knows of someone who may be interested in supporting this woman and her family and learning more about the aboriginal women's birthing culture please email me and I'll give you her details. Ta Jo
Re: [ozmidwifery] lismore mw
I know there is a midwife in Coffs Harbour - not sure how far that is from Lismore, she has recently set up Independant practice, is not on email but I do have details for her if you are interested, her name is Gail Baker and did her first homebirth back in August (which was a breech birth) - what a way to start! Let me know if you are interested. Jo Hunter - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 1:22 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] lismore mw . Do you know of any independent midwives up that way and if not how she can find out?LOOKING IN LISMORE any one there ? jan
Re: [ozmidwifery] Thanks
Hi Diane, i passed this on to a dear friend of mine who is mum to twin girls and is very involved in the multiples association. This was her response. Note: her description of the OB reaching in to grab the presenting part of the second twin was done to her without an epi as she refused drugs, so it may be important for your client to get very clear with the OB about him not managing the birth of the second twin. It is possible that he will automatically do this with or without an epi. All the best Jo hey jojo, i feel for this couple, being in a position where they want to do this beautifully, but have very little support from the hospital. i have never heard that twins usually arrive in around 4 hours (mine did though!!), and whilst i believe that it's not unusual for the cervix to dilate considerably during late (ish) pregnancy for multiples, i really don't think he's any more likely to guess the duration of a multiple birth than he could a singleton. i would strongly recommend that she has someone with her to speak for her ~ and be strong ~ and insist against the forceps, especially for the second twin. induce because they are too big??? how ridiculous! my OB wanted to induce at 37 weeks (not for size, just because that's how they like twins to be born there, but i think they'll use almost any excuse), but i held out for another three and a half, they can't MAKE her do it, which is really important for her to remember. equally important, is that she doesn't have to have an epi. i am wondering if both of her babies are head down? i think that OBs much prefer multiple birth women to have the epi because it is then easier for the OB to manage the birth, particularly of the second twin. i don't know if you will pass this on, and know that it is not pleasant to think of, but will say it because i think she has a right to know. the epi comes in handy when Twin A is born, for the OB to reach inside, rupture membranes, fish around for and grab hold of a presenting part, and pull it into the birth canal (i can still hear the squeak of my OBs glove on my little girls head), without the mother feeling the pain of what is being done to her. the gap between births makes OBs very nervous, here they choose how the baby is presenting, and they ensure that the baby is within forceps reach if the heart rate drops. it hurts, A LOT, and is extremely invasive. i really hope they achieve the birth they are hoping for, they will have to be very strong! sorry - just noticing how i have rambled! bern - Original Message - From: Diane Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Thanks Just want to thank you all once again for your help with my twins mum. Up until Monday getting her relaxed for her HypnoBirthing classes was easy and she was so loking forward to a natural birth but then after visiting the Ob she was a mess. I sent her all the options you gave and she is much more relaxed and more than anything else it has reinforced the fact that she DOES have choices. Claire, the birth story on the UK site was really good and very positive. It is good to have sites like that to reference. It had some great links to other sites as well. Wouldn't it be good to have a register of really good sites to visit. That'd be a good job for one of you organised Virgos. Seriously though I only hope that they are strong enough to stand up for their rights because I think they thought they had been so violated and no choices. It was so sneaky that the Ob deliberately has avoided all discussion of the birth until my client AND her husband were determined to raise it on Monday. Anyway I will keep you informed on her progress and a VERY positive birth outcome. regards Diane -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] I've had a baby (long)
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] I've had a baby (long) Hey Nic, You're sounding like a PERFECT candidate for the HAS committee! Jo - Original Message - From: Ron Nicole Christensen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] I've had a baby (long) can ABSOLUTELY relate to your e-mail Jo. My first two babies were born naturally (drug and intervention free) in our local small hospital. The second was particularly wonderful for a hospital birth - we were SO lucky to have a fantastic midwifewith our same birth philosophy... and who even defied the obstetrician, and let me birth on the floor, where I wanted to be (she was supposed to get me onto the hospital bed). I was later told that she was 'told off' by the obs. BUT there is NO comparison to our third baby's birth - AT HOME!!! Birthing in the comfort and security of your own home - surrounded by your loved ones and your own trusted midwives ... your young children gathered around excitedly awaiting their new babyis empowering, exhilerating, liberating, and more blissful than anything I have ever experienced. To all gather in the loungeroom afterwards, singing happy birthday to our baby, sharing cups of tea, cake etc and bathing in this new darling being - was beautiful. re. playgroups etc. ifeel like a huge fish out of water - regarding the two things I am SO passionate about - birthing and breastfeeding! I left my mothers group as I was only 1 of2 women who had given birth naturally (there were approx. 15 women in total!!) andenjoyed theexperienceof giving birth. I was also the only one who continued breastfeeding beyond 6 months (still am feeding that 'baby' who is now 2.4 yrs old - along with his baby brother 4 mths) Thestraw that broke the camels back for me, was one particular mother who decided she wanted to wean her baby of her breast - and decided to do it abruptly - and cruelly - her baby was VERY distressed and lost weight - because he refused the bottle - as he so missed the breast. The mother's logic was - that he would eventually take the bottle as he would be so starving I would go home in tears at playgroup now... well, it's not as bad as mother's group was... but I still feel very different. They give me looks when I pounce on the communal plate of food (for the children's morning tea) before it gets to my toddler - as it contains junk like cheesels and fruit loops... so, therefore usually bring my own for him.I usually keep to myself - and wander around with my toddler (as I'm there for him). They haven't seen me breastfeed my toddler yet and don't know I had a homebirth - (I don't go that often) so I haven't had any comments about that yet. I so wish there was a kind ofattachment parenting playgroup where I live - it would be SO wonderful to be with other women who share the same parenting philosophies... natural birth/home birth; co-sleeping; baby wearing etc we could all befish swimming in the same water!! cheers, Nicole x x x - Original Message - From: jo hunter To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] I've had a baby (long) It really p#%*$*s me off when another woman says "wow, you're brave having homebirths" when I say I had my babies at home. I wouldn't be so rude and disrespectful as to say to them "wow, you're brave having hospital births" even though that is what I'm thinking. I'm as equally p*%$#*d off when they say "Oh you're one of the lucky ones who has easy births" I want to scream that it has nothing at all to do with luck and they certainly weren't easy. The exhilaration of natural birth (at home) is like nothing else I have ever, nor will ever experience again, in my eyes nothing else will ever beat it and as Margie Perkins said at the recent homebirth conference (something along these lines) it is like all homebirthers have a secret that we can't explain to anyone else who hasn't experienced it. It has nothing to do with feeling superior to anyone else and for along time I'd keep my mouth shut at playgroup etc about my birth experiences because it seemed to become a competition on who had the worst time of it. Some have called me lucky, weird, crazy, a purist, mad homebirther etc etc. I no longer keep my mouth shut because I know a different way and I want to spread the word! Jo - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] I've had a baby (long) I agree Jayn
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pertinent quote
I love your quotes Mary and often fwd them to the HAS committee and they are then often published in our mag as a parting quote. Thanks for your inspiration. Jo Hunter - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 9:48 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pertinent quote Quote of the Week "So that we can honor all kinds of mothers, let us also honor the midwives who offer them all kinds of choices." Robbie Davis-Floyd
Re: [ozmidwifery] I've had a baby (long)
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] I've had a baby (long) It really p#%*$*s me off when another woman says "wow, you're brave having homebirths" when I say I had my babies at home. I wouldn't be so rude and disrespectful as to say to them "wow, you're brave having hospital births" even though that is what I'm thinking. I'm as equally p*%$#*d off when they say "Oh you're one of the lucky ones who has easy births" I want to scream that it has nothing at all to do with luck and they certainly weren't easy. The exhilaration of natural birth (at home) is like nothing else I have ever, nor will ever experience again, in my eyes nothing else will ever beat it and as Margie Perkins said at the recent homebirth conference (something along these lines) it is like all homebirthers have a secret that we can't explain to anyone else who hasn't experienced it. It has nothing to do with feeling superior to anyone else and for along time I'd keep my mouth shut at playgroup etc about my birth experiences because it seemed to become a competition on who had the worst time of it. Some have called me lucky, weird, crazy, a purist, mad homebirther etc etc. I no longer keep my mouth shut because I know a different way and I want to spread the word! Jo - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] I've had a baby (long) I agree Jayne, and BLOODY GREAT job Jackie. Remember our chat in Darwin. I have borrowed your marathon analogy re being rescued from natural birth! ThanksAlso Sylvia. I think you need to consider a few factors of current maternity services in Australia.To have a natural birth today is hard enough, to secure a homebirth is near impossible and the resultant exhilaration is shared by so few. I found this when I (naively) referred to the birth (at a local mothers group) of my first (HB) as the most beautiful, sacred thing I had ever done and that I later felt like Xena, Warrior Woman! I was greeted with give me an epidural any day Gawd I was so out of it for 2 days after etc etc. I was totally ostracised as a zealot and made very unwelcome.Re the C/s stuff. Women who genuinely need a C/s have my upmost respect and sympathy, but these are so fewer than the numbers performed. I also really admire the women who realise they were dudded and make different choices for subsequent babes, they have achieved real personal growth. I never make women feel bad for having a C/s, but the same respect is not afforded homebirthers who are often made feel very guilty for indulging and putting their babe at risk etc. But what I AM SO ANGRY ABOUT is that it is the fear and lack of information sought from so many women continues the misinformation and the very real public perception that C/S is the safest, nicest way to give birth and that women like me are zealots. With so many women researching more about the purchase of a car or major appliance than the birth of their child the perception and lack of evidence and subsequent high morbidity continues. What we know is around 1% of women actually choose an elective C/s for no medical reason and yet there has been so much media around this being the new way the majority of women are lied to and scared half to death and then believe they had to have a C/S.Women like me are denied their basic right, unlike the woman who schedules her C/s to suit her diary (remember as a taxpayer I pay for the unnecessary C/S then I go and fully fund my homebirth). To make midwifery care and homebirth a real option is not to deny women the choice of C/S or Obs or anything else and yet the polarity of the debate continues to be down on those with little or no rights/choices!For the few women that have experienced the amazing high of natural birth (esp at home when a woman is totally in her domain) the high is like no other. I defy any woman on the planet who has experienced this to say she would choose another way. Welcome to the club Jackie, and so glad you had a soft landing Ena! Bet Dad is also grinning!!JustineOh Sylvia, you are right but I honestly don't think that Jackie meant to imply anything :( She is obviously on a wonderful high after the birth of her baby.Jayne- Original Message - From: Sylvia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:04 AMSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] I've had a baby (long)Congratulations on the birth of your daughter. What a happy story that was.However, whilst I in no way support the Today show story and a 'live' caesarean was just terrible and sensationalist television you finish your letter with the comment 'that's not childbirth'. And I
Re: [ozmidwifery] birth and breastfeeding attitudes
My second baby was one of those baby's that let everyone know when she was feeding by making the loudest sucking and gulping noises. I breastfed her sitting on the floor of the courtroom, whilst the judge was looking down on me rather accusingly when Maggie Lecky Thompson was being heard. It gave her a bit of a kick too! Jo - Original Message - From: Wayne and Cas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 11:30 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] birth and breastfeeding attitudes What's the wildest place you've bf your baby? I fed Liam in the queue for the top level of the Eiffel Tower in Paris. Got a few funny looks but just explained Il Faim! (translation if my spelling is correct... He's hungry! : ) ) I will bf Dan anywhere I please... It's still a free country. Anyone who gives dirty looks for that needs to learn how to relax (putting it very politely LOL...) Cheers, Cas. Cas, Wayne, Liam and Daniel McCullough [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.casmccullough.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Bourne Sent: Monday, 8 December 2003 5:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] birth and breastfeeding attitudes this really surprises me, I have just never had even a nasty look (though lots of smiles) - feeding my baby (and now my toddler) on buses, in bank queues, at funerals, weddings, at restaurants with my grandmother who bottlefed all of her 7 children... I forget that there are still people around with this attitude. My daughter still feeds A LOT at 22 months so we still feed in public all the time and I would have the same reaction you did - assuming they must be talking about something else. To be honest I have heard far more women who bottle feed complaining about getting dirty looks and feeling embarassed in public than breastfeeders, possibly they feel guilty and are expecting to get a negative response so they see one. I do think that the majority of Australians have a reasonable attitude today, or at least know to keep their negative opinion to themselves. cheers Jo At 23:05 +1100 7/12/03, Ron Nicole Christensen wrote: Not only am I exasperated by the constant shameful attitude about natural birthing in this country ...but it seems to not stop there!!! . I was strolling out of a local shopping plaza this morning, with my darling 4 month old baby suckling contentedly on the breast all snuggled up in his sling... when a middle-aged woman past me and commented quite loudly to her husband that's disgusting!!. Being in my own little world with my baby - my first thoughts were that she was in deep conversation with her husband... until I eventually looked up and she was giving me a filthy look!!! I am already disheartened by the ignorance of natural birth in this country ... but when the sight of a mother breastfeeding her young baby draws venom (especially from another woman) it really makes me sad. I hope that this woman does not have girls...goodness knows what advice she would be passing on! sorry - just had to share my bizarre experience of today... kind regards, Nicole -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] birth and breastfeeding attitudes
Go for it Nic, Get them both out with a bub on each side. Penrith Plaza wouldn't know what hit them! I have a lovely breastfeeding story to share with you that occurred at the very same shopping centre Nicole is talking about. Maya was about 4 weeks old and I had the other 3 kids with me shopping. We stopped for a milkshake and so that I could feed the baby. I was in lala land as often happens when zoning out feeding and I felt these 2 hands (the hands almost felt familiar) gently grasp my shoulders and a sweet voice whisper in my ear good for you, you keep doing that - it's much better to see than all these young girls bottle feeding. When I turned it was an elderly women (she must have been 80 in the shade) and she just gave me a loving smile and turned and hobbled away. It absolutely made my day - week in fact - and she still comes into my thoughts quite often. It has certainly made me comment to women who are breastfeeding in public and who are looking a little uncomfortable with it, after knowing how such a comment made me feel. Jo Hunter - Original Message - From: Ron Nicole Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] birth and breastfeeding attitudes Hi Jo, Up until yesterday, I had never experienced anything negative towards me breastfeeding any of my three children in public. Actually of late, I have been doing it more than ever, as I try to finish off my Christmas shoppingit's been great having my baby in the sling... and as soon as he gets restless or whingy as I stand in the long queues... I just pop him on the boob and voila!! Instant calm and quiet!!! Good for baby, good for me... and good for all around me!!! It makes me wonder though, if this woman has such repulsion at seeing a very young baby suckling at my breast (which even for the fairly prudish is deemed OK) - what she would think if she saw me breastfeeding my toddler (2.4 yrs)??!! Or even still - both baby and toddler at the same time - now wouldn't THAT have been something?? cheers, Nicole - Original Message - From: Jo Bourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] birth and breastfeeding attitudes this really surprises me, I have just never had even a nasty look (though lots of smiles) - feeding my baby (and now my toddler) on buses, in bank queues, at funerals, weddings, at restaurants with my grandmother who bottlefed all of her 7 children... I forget that there are still people around with this attitude. My daughter still feeds A LOT at 22 months so we still feed in public all the time and I would have the same reaction you did - assuming they must be talking about something else. To be honest I have heard far more women who bottle feed complaining about getting dirty looks and feeling embarassed in public than breastfeeders, possibly they feel guilty and are expecting to get a negative response so they see one. I do think that the majority of Australians have a reasonable attitude today, or at least know to keep their negative opinion to themselves. cheers Jo At 23:05 +1100 7/12/03, Ron Nicole Christensen wrote: Not only am I exasperated by the constant shameful attitude about natural birthing in this country ...but it seems to not stop there!!! . I was strolling out of a local shopping plaza this morning, with my darling 4 month old baby suckling contentedly on the breast all snuggled up in his sling... when a middle-aged woman past me and commented quite loudly to her husband that's disgusting!!. Being in my own little world with my baby - my first thoughts were that she was in deep conversation with her husband... until I eventually looked up and she was giving me a filthy look!!! I am already disheartened by the ignorance of natural birth in this country ... but when the sight of a mother breastfeeding her young baby draws venom (especially from another woman) it really makes me sad. I hope that this woman does not have girls...goodness knows what advice she would be passing on! sorry - just had to share my bizarre experience of today... kind regards, Nicole -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: response from Pat and Nicky and fetal hearts
Hi Marilyn, Thanks for the clarification, pleased to hear that 2nd stage is the only time FHR would be listened to after every contraction. jo - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:39 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: response from Pat and Nicky and fetal hearts HI Jo: Listening in second stage is the only time one would listen after every contraction which is often written after every contraction or every 5 minutes, if I typed every 2 it was a typo. And that would be active 2nd stage. Should not be done so it interfers with any position the mother wants to be in, which of course is the advantage of dopplers. marilyn - Original Message - From: jo hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: response from Pat and Nicky and fetal hearts Hi Marilyn, I personally don't and didn't have a problem with my fetal hearts being listened to at my own homebirths where there was a midwife present. I think the argument is, correct me if I'm wrong, how often to listen in. Thinking of my own labours I would consider after ever contraction to be a bit over the top and I could imagine getting annoyed should someone be trying to do that to me. I'm not a trained midwife so have no idea what the standard of practice is regarding this - but every 2 minutes??? I agree that hearing the heart when in labour is reassuring and reminds us of why we are doing the whole labour thing and yes, mothers should most definately not fear the midwife listening in. All the best Jo - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 1:35 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: response from Pat and Nicky and fetal hearts Hi Jo and all: This timing of listening to fetal hearts keeps coming up and I find it concerning. Having worked and studied in the USA in homebirths and been to workshops with Ina May Gaskin et al., I do not recall any of my mentors there even debating whether to listen to the FH or not during labour and birth. I want to make it clear I am talking about studying in the heartland of homebirth in the USA not some obstetric hospital there. Now we have all been to births where the last thing you have time for is getting an obligatory fetal heart before the baby is born but that is a no-brainer and a quite different situation from a midwife in attendance at a birth not listening to the baby to avoid disturbing the ambience/mood of the mother. On our very first interview with our mothers to be we discussed how mother and baby would be monitored in labour the frequency etc., our transfer policies, there were no surprises in store for the women. Our women were happy to have their BP, pulse and temp monitored in labour and understood why and how often we would do this, they were also happy for us to listen to the baby at 30 min, 15 min, and between ctx intervals we would discuss doing this with headphones if using a doppler, or using a pinards or a fetoscope if they didn't want the u/s technology used. As I think Lesley said, there are many births that the neighbour lady could have popped in to catch in which these monitorings are nothing more than reassuring and they could lull you into believing they aren't necessary, what we are there for is to catch the anomolous birth where things aren't quite right and decisions need to be made. Also as has been said things can appear normal if you aren't monitoring when in fact they aren't, sometimes mothers become aware that something is amiss and other times they don't. Particularly when you have prolonged first or second stage I believe you need to be listening for fetal well being. In the practices I worked in our transfer rate was low (between 10 to 20 % depending on the proportion of primips in the practice at any point in time) as was the c/s rate (5%). I have to say that I have never been present at a homebirth where the monitoring appeared to have a negative effect by increasing fear/angst, adrenaline etc, though theoretically I can see and understand the argument. Quite honestly I had never even heard intermittent auscultation as being a problem until I read it on this list. I know that studies have linked efm and ctg's with increased intervention and so we do need to be aware of the misuse and misunderstanding of technology (it is my understanding that it is not the trace so often that is wrong as the interpretation of the trace as could be the interpretation of decels heard by doppler). I do think we need to be cautious about what we discard or want discarded and I don't think mothers or fathers need to fear their midwife
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: response from Pat and Nicky
Hi Nicole, Great to see you the other day - even though brief. About the hospital run homebirth service, I think that alot of the comments that are seen as negative are a reflection of the lack of faith consumers as well as midwives have in the hospital system. I think we all agree that Pat and Nicky are wonderful women centred midwives with alot of experience. The 'negative' comments, although may appear to be directed at them, actually are not, they are directed at the 'system'. We have a hospital system in this country that can't even serve the women who want to use them, with the majority of women (unless really strong and educated and well supported) suffering unnecessary intervention at the hands of overzealous obstetricians. Midwives hands are tied because of the hospital protocols under which they must operate or they fear losing their jobs. This has been described by some midwives on this list as a reality. I was ignorant to this for some time, having had homebirths myself and only knowing what other women had told me of their experience and treatment in the 'system'. Now as I support more and more women as their doula in hospitals I am appalled at what goes on. It must be the most incredibly frustrating job working as a hospital midwife and I applaud all who soldier on regardless. The reason a hospital run homebirth service concerns me is for the very reason that it is hospital run. I don't doubt that the midwives operating and working in the service all have the very best intentions and all advocate women centred care, however I have to question whether, to some extent their hands will also be tied with the fear of losing their jobs should a situation arise that an Independent midwife may see as within the normal realm but the protocols and guidelines of the hospital system see as abnormal. There are many many 'situations' during labour and birth where this is evident (even down to how often a midwife should listen to a baby's heart during labour, whether this is necessary after every contraction so the midwife has an idea of how the baby is coping or whether it is yet another unnecessary intervention the women is subjected to that may interrupt the rhythm of her labour) Of course we are all striving to achieve the same goal, real choices for women, publicly funded homebirth and one to one midwifery care. It is imperative that we get it right the first time round (for NSW) as this is most likely our only chance. So pleased you've joined the list Nicole - will catch you soon. Jo Hunter - Original Message - From: Ron Nicole Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: response from Pat and Nicky Hi everyone, As a newcomer to this mailing list, I haven't had the time to go through all of the responses to the 'models of midwifery care' debate - but just merely browsing through some of the e-mails - it perplexes me that there would be so much negativity - even more so - when we have two VERY experienced, VERY wise, VERY respected; VERY intuitive; VERY woman centred and VERY homebirth orientated midwives who are at the forefront of developing such a model inclusive of homebirth . that in itself will hold my faith, confidence and belief in this model. I would also have faith in the midwives who would be part of such a model - to be woman/family centred and have a strong belief and love of birth as a natural and normal family event ... I just cannot envisage a medically minded midwife (which is contradictory in itself!) to be interested in being a part of this - nor do I see Pat or Nicky allowing such a midwife on the team. I do not believe that a homebirth midwife attached to a midwifery model at a hospital would be any less passionate and loving as an independent midwife - and yes, I too can see interest from independent midwives who haven't practised since the indemnity crisis or from those who need a bit more security - great!!! Especially in the light of this ever increasing caesarean epidemic - I embrace and praise this attempt to provide homebirths as part of a new midwifery model. I know that it is something that I would absolutely use - especially when the cost of an independant midwife rules our little one income family out of that league (our recent homebirth was a loving gift). I see it as a positive and exciting step forward in what is a very bleak and dismal maternity service that currently exists. I just hope that Pat and Nicky do not get so disheartened by the lack of support, that they would consider forgetting about setting up the proposed model. We should all be saying Go Pat and Nicky!!! (I know I am!!!). kindest regards, Nicole - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 3:03 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: response from Pat and Nicky Subject: response from
Re: [ozmidwifery] Email ettiquette NMAP for 2004
Hi Sally, Great to see you back on the list. As always, your wise input is appreciated. I wanted to say how much i enjoyed your session at The Homebirth Conference in Canberra, in particular your son getting up and singing 'I am woman hear me roar' at the end of the session. He's going to make a fabulous partner one day! All the best Sally. Jo - Original Message - From: Sally-Anne Brown To: Oz Midwifery Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 2:56 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Email ettiquette NMAP for 2004 Dear all, Have been off the list for a while due to other commitments and been back on line now for a couple of days. Was a bit surprised however to get over 100 emails in that time, and just from this list. Too much for me, but fantastic all the energy re the c/section broadcast. I was also delighted to read the discussions around models of homebirth for NSW - and welcome the input from so many wise women. I am concerned however about two things - that discussion by email can be misinterpreted as 'a personal attack' - and that some emails are forwarded outside of the list without members consent. Perhaps the ozmid list is different - but usually - email ettiquette includes no personal, defamatory or abusive commentary etc and definitely no leakage of emails to other lists or persons without the prior consent of members. I have only identified the latter in the last three days emails. I do apologise unreservedly, if member consent was sought and given prior to my renewing my membership onto the list. Please be aware that emails do have the potential to read differently to how they are intended. Therefore being 'crystal clear' is important, as is, creating a space to also come together and discuss wise women business, face to face. But it is important that also, that many perspectives for new projects are considered. And above all that the women who will utilise any birth service, are fully consulted, including the option to participate in project development. Many thanks to Jackie for sharing her birth story, very timely and inspiring. As is the option of publicly funded homebirths in NSW. Congratulations to all involved - with a federal election looming - tis time to get the major parties on side. It would be fantastic to have NMAP committed to and funded by the major parties before the 2004 federal election, for all women, in all Australian states and territories, and in particular for our indigenous communities, as a priority. Kind Regards Sally-Anne Brown Apollo Bay, Vic.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: response from Pat and Nicky and fetal hearts
Hi Marilyn, I personally don't and didn't have a problem with my fetal hearts being listened to at my own homebirths where there was a midwife present. I think the argument is, correct me if I'm wrong, how often to listen in. Thinking of my own labours I would consider after ever contraction to be a bit over the top and I could imagine getting annoyed should someone be trying to do that to me. I'm not a trained midwife so have no idea what the standard of practice is regarding this - but every 2 minutes??? I agree that hearing the heart when in labour is reassuring and reminds us of why we are doing the whole labour thing and yes, mothers should most definately not fear the midwife listening in. All the best Jo - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 1:35 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: response from Pat and Nicky and fetal hearts Hi Jo and all: This timing of listening to fetal hearts keeps coming up and I find it concerning. Having worked and studied in the USA in homebirths and been to workshops with Ina May Gaskin et al., I do not recall any of my mentors there even debating whether to listen to the FH or not during labour and birth. I want to make it clear I am talking about studying in the heartland of homebirth in the USA not some obstetric hospital there. Now we have all been to births where the last thing you have time for is getting an obligatory fetal heart before the baby is born but that is a no-brainer and a quite different situation from a midwife in attendance at a birth not listening to the baby to avoid disturbing the ambience/mood of the mother. On our very first interview with our mothers to be we discussed how mother and baby would be monitored in labour the frequency etc., our transfer policies, there were no surprises in store for the women. Our women were happy to have their BP, pulse and temp monitored in labour and understood why and how often we would do this, they were also happy for us to listen to the baby at 30 min, 15 min, and between ctx intervals we would discuss doing this with headphones if using a doppler, or using a pinards or a fetoscope if they didn't want the u/s technology used. As I think Lesley said, there are many births that the neighbour lady could have popped in to catch in which these monitorings are nothing more than reassuring and they could lull you into believing they aren't necessary, what we are there for is to catch the anomolous birth where things aren't quite right and decisions need to be made. Also as has been said things can appear normal if you aren't monitoring when in fact they aren't, sometimes mothers become aware that something is amiss and other times they don't. Particularly when you have prolonged first or second stage I believe you need to be listening for fetal well being. In the practices I worked in our transfer rate was low (between 10 to 20 % depending on the proportion of primips in the practice at any point in time) as was the c/s rate (5%). I have to say that I have never been present at a homebirth where the monitoring appeared to have a negative effect by increasing fear/angst, adrenaline etc, though theoretically I can see and understand the argument. Quite honestly I had never even heard intermittent auscultation as being a problem until I read it on this list. I know that studies have linked efm and ctg's with increased intervention and so we do need to be aware of the misuse and misunderstanding of technology (it is my understanding that it is not the trace so often that is wrong as the interpretation of the trace as could be the interpretation of decels heard by doppler). I do think we need to be cautious about what we discard or want discarded and I don't think mothers or fathers need to fear their midwife listening to the fetal heart: it should be reassuring. marilyn - Original Message - From: jo hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: response from Pat and Nicky Hi Nicole, Great to see you the other day - even though brief. About the hospital run homebirth service, I think that alot of the comments that are seen as negative are a reflection of the lack of faith consumers as well as midwives have in the hospital system. I think we all agree that Pat and Nicky are wonderful women centred midwives with alot of experience. The 'negative' comments, although may appear to be directed at them, actually are not, they are directed at the 'system'. We have a hospital system in this country that can't even serve the women who want to use them, with the majority of women (unless really strong and educated and well supported) suffering unnecessary intervention at the hands of overzealous obstetricians. Midwives hands are tied because of the hospital protocols under which
Re: [ozmidwifery] C-section on Today
Go Andrea, thank god they are willing to hear what you have to say. Sonia - after the marriage and the 'birth', next they may show circumcision, the boy first wet dream, his first sexual encounter and then maybe even a live death! UNBELIEVABLE! Jo Hunter - Original Message - From: *G and S* To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] C-section on Today Isis, I got a similar reaction when I rang and spoke with someone on the Today Show staff. Frustrating isn't it? Can't help but wonder why on earth anyone would want to exploit such an important moment in their lives. Channel 9, about a week ago married off a couple live and it rated well. I thought at the time that a birth would probably be next BUT A CESAREAN. We really do live in a voyeuristic society and it's one which rarely deals with truth in an adequate fashion. Hopefully Andrea will be given enough time to make this 'exhibition' an honest one. Sonia W. am sorry you feel that way about it. But I think if you ask a lot of of women to graphically describe a vaginal birth, you probably would get a similar cold view of the process. We are not promoting a particular kind of birth...as you may have noticed from the interview this morning..this woman is having a c-section for medical reasons and is certainly not looking to be the next Australian Idol. Lots of women have to have them formedical reasonsand I am not sure what is wrong with showing people that birth by c-section still brings the joy that follows the arrival of a new life. -Original Message-From: Isis and Andrew Caple [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2003 10:35 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Live C-Section I am writing to express my disgust and misgivings over your plan to broadcast live a c-section tomorrow. Caesarian Section's are not an operation to be taken lightly!! They are a major abdominal surgery and are the most medical method of delivering a baby. It is not glamorous, it is not easy, it is not dignified! It is not a procedure to be taken lightly! In no way is it easier then a natural vaginal birth! C-sections are meant as a final resort for a serious medical situation in a pregnancy. Not for a 'just in case' scenario.. How many first time mothers are now going to see this story and book in to be sliced open, because it looks easy! I hope you will show the whole process, from epidural/spinal being inserted, catheter being put in, canulars being applied, shaving the pubic area, the enema, swabbing the abdomen, slicing through skin, fat, muscle, uterus. The 'pulling apart' of the abdominal muscles to get to the uterus, the doctor reaching in to find the baby, the 'pulling out of the baby, the look of shock and fear on the babies face at the bright lights, the cold clinical smell. The 'repair' of the uterus, the pulling the muscles back to position, the staples used to close the wound.. THEN, the mothers inability to even hold her baby straight away, no feeding, no cooing, no touching. Oh hang on, yes the holding and cooing is done by strangers, unless the father is 'allowed' to do so. Then show how long it takes the mum to be able to walk, to lift, to do normal everyday activities without the fear of her stitches popping.. Maybe you would then find it in your programming to show the other pole of childbirth-a natural homebirth, without the bright lights, without strangers in masks, without the immobilising drugs.. The beauty, power and sanctity of a woman birthing her child, into her arms, with tears, laughter and awe.. Sincerely- Isis Caple
Re: [ozmidwifery] New models of midwifery care
Hi Andrea, Thanks for you reply. As spokespeople for homebirthing families in NSW and Australia I believe it is our due to voice concerns of the very families who will be using this service. As I mentioned before I think it is wonderful that this is going ahead. As this will be the first of it's kind in NSW and will possibly set a precedence for the rest of Aus I believe we need to get it right the first time. It's not really good enough (as consumer representatives) to wait and see how this service is going to operate, consumers need to have a say in how it is going to operate and I applaud Pat Brodie for following up my request and offering a position on the steering committee for a HAS rep and I believe there is now an IPM on the committee as well and they will all have their say in outlining the various guidelines and protocols as required by NSW Health. I'm sure there are many different people all with different views on the committee and at the end of the day not everyone will get exactly what they feel is best way to go, however it is our right to have our say on how such a service is operated. As it is a service that will pride itself on midwives and women working together, it is only right that midwives and women work together to set it up. Jo Hunter - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] New models of midwifery care Hello Jo and Justine, Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us - can I suggest that you wait to see how this service will operate before you worry unnecessarily about obstetric care interfering with your planned home birth? The way this service will operate will be very similar to the Albany practice in the UK - which has wonderful outcomes: 43% home birth rate with an 85% hight risk caseload (social risk mainly - homeless, drug users, teenagers, non-English speaking, etc). The women at St George will have their own caaseloading midwife, which will be no different from an independent midwife. All independent midwives use guidelines for accepting women for a home birth and if they choose to contract in to any Government supported service (e.g. through Community Health) then they will be asked to work strictly to agreed guidelines in order to obtain their insurance cover. All guidelines will have some obstetric input because they will be dealing with criteria for transfer when there is a problem. If a midwife decides to work outside these guidelines then she is taking risks with the woman's health and also her own legal safety. The big advantage of the hospital based home birth service is that it will be free. Women who cannpt afford a private practitioner will not be excluded from having a home birth as happens now. THe people involved in setting up this service have vast experience of home birth in the UK and elsehwere and are dedicated to providing the best woman-centreds care they can. They wouldn't want anything else! We need this propject to go ahead, and quickly. At the moment we have no homebirth service that provides safety for the woman in terms of insurance and this is a worry for both women and their midwives. Let's all support this model rather than be trying to pick holes in it before the facts are known and it has even had a chance to be tried and tested! There are some very dedicated midwives out there who are trying to create the best birth options for women and they need out support. Regards, Andrea At 03:18 PM 29/11/2003, Jo Bourne wrote: speaking as a consumer I would definitely view a public hospital run homebirth service as a second choice to a private midwife that I chose for myself - partly because of the choosing the best personality for our family an partly because I would be very frightened of the hospital controlled service having far more rigid and beurocratic rules and regulations about when OB care was required during pregnancy or when transfer was required during labour. I would most likely spend the whole pregnancy worried about the day that my assigned midwife said well an OB has reviewed your notes and says you have to birth in hospital (for some reason that I don't agree with). I was very fearful (at least at the start) of my first pregnancy that I would be forced into labour ward for a reason I didn't agree with but was able to tell myself they can make me use the labour ward - they can't make me use the bed/drugs/whatever, its all the same floor of the building and same staff so I just w! on't let it bother me. I would find it much harder to think soothing thoughts about being denied a homebirth at the last minute... I realise that the risk of being denied a homebirth might be much less than I think but intellectual knowledge is somewhat separate from the intense *feeling* of anxiety about my midwife not being her own boss and able to use entirely her own
Re: [ozmidwifery] New models of midwifery care
I have to agree Deirdre. One of the huge advantages of homebirth with an independent midwife is that the woman has chosen and employed this particular midwife as her caregiver. The midwife is a guest in the woman's home and is being paid directly from the woman, which in turn places the woman much more in control of what occurs during her birth. Whilst I think it is wonderful that these homebirth models are in the pipeline and it opens the homebirth option up to many more women, it does concern me, as women shouldn't need to go to hospital (ever during pregnancy) to have a homebirth. The midwives who will be working in the model may have little experience of the unique work of a homebirth midwife and I worry that there will be a huge transfer rate the minute something appears slightly out of the ordinary and when we lobby Govts some more for the NMAP, they'll look at the stats of the hospital run homebirth service and say no way, look at their transfer rate. It doesn't mean this is necessarily going to happen, however it is food for thought. Deirdre, if their is a hospital run homebirth service I know for a fact that the majority of (current) homebirthers in NSW will still want to employ an independent midwife, regardless of the cost, to be with them during labour and birth because many believe that they don't want it attached to a hospital system and certainly don't want their births overseen by Obstetricians. As well as those women who are seen as 'high risk' - VBAC, breech etc I assume they wouldn't be permitted to birth at home through a hospital run homebirth service. I believe there needs to be strong consumer input to any model that is set up - lets listen to the women and find out what it is that they want. Jo Hunter - Original Message - From: Dierdre Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 5:02 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] New models of midwifery care While I think that it is TERRIFIC that homebirth will finally be offered as a choice. I think that the way midwives are compensated for this work is important to look at. The system in NZ is somewhat dodgy where payment is concerned. I would like to see funds made directly available to parent so that they may choose and fund their own midwife, not one assigned to them or where couples only have the choice of recieving paid homebirth if they choose the few midwives set up through these schemes. This has the potential to damage the livelihood of midwives currently working independently of the system. Any thoughts Dierdre B. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Epidural
I have a friend also who had twins naturally both bubs head down and went past her due date. I was 6lbs 7 and the other 7 lbs. She's heavily involved in the local multiples association and would be happy to talk. Let me know. jo - Original Message - From: Wayne and Caroline McCullough [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 7:56 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Epidural A friend of mine recently had twins naturally. No epidural at all or drugs of any kind, baby 1 born in water, baby 2 flipped to transverse and the doctor reached in pulled baby around by leg into breech and delivered on the bed as a footling breech. Mother up and around within a few hours and went home two days later. Just goes to show that it can be done! If this woman wants to contact my friend please email me off list. Cheers, Cas. Cas McCullough [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.casmccullough.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirsten Blacker Sent: Sunday, 16 November 2003 6:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Epidural Some years ago I had an situation like this. The mother agreed to have the epidural inserted, have a small test dose, which then wore off, and left the epidural catheter in for the duration. A compromise that kept everyone happy Kirsten From: Diane Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Epidural Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:13:26 +1100 Hi all I have a client, 42 y.o first time mum who is expecting twins. Her ob/gyn has told her that he would like her to have and epidural anyway to prepare her in case they have any trouble with the second twin being born. When she asked the midwife at her antenatal class if they can just insert the needle without giving her the actual medication she was told that it was either give it or not prepare her for the epidural at all, no half way. In your opinions is this correct or can they do all the prep and then administer the drug if complications occur? thanks in advance Diane _ Great deals on high-speed Internet access as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [MatCoWA] give me some questions
Who trusts the process of birth? Who will allow you the time and space to labour as you and your baby need to? Who supports your right to choose where you give birth? Who is able to catchyour baby regardless of what position you are in whenyou givebirth? Who knows how to emotionally support you during labour? - Original Message - From: Sandi To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [MatCoWA] give me some questions Who can help you get your baby to the breastwithin30 mins post birth? Your midwife! - Original Message - From: mel gregory To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 5:40 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [MatCoWA] give me some questions - Original Message - From: mel gregory To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:27 PM Subject: [MatCoWA] give me some questions Hello all a leaflet is being put together as a consciousness raising exercise ...more info when it gets off the gound ...for now.All I need from you is some QUESTIONS and to make it more interesting the answer must be 'midwives ' Okay ..does that make sense? For example Q. Who should be a womans primary carer during pregnancy ? A. a midwife okay then ..I expect lots of intersting stuff very soon yours in anticipation Mel Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[ozmidwifery] hypnobirthing
Just wanted to let you all know that I saw an ad tonight that said there will be astory on hypnobirthing, tomorrow evening at 6.30 on Today Tonight channel 7. Not sure if Today Tonight is a national television show or just NSW??? Jo Hunter
Re: [ozmidwifery] Another unec. C-section...
Excellent Laraine, still laughing aloud - if only! Jo x - Original Message - From: Laraine Hood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Another unec. C-section... Aren't they clever! They (obs) are saying we want women to have the choice for choice's sake not merely based on medical criteria. If a woman wants it, she should be allowed and we, the men of importance, support their choice! And if she wants it now, on this date, she should be allowed to have that too inour 'have to have it yesterday, because I said so' society. And of course, their friends the cosmetic surgeons will be available 4.5 months later for the liposuction and breast enhancement when the breasts start to need an uplift. But if men are supporting the 'women can have this surgery because we think it is best for them' and they want it ( and hey, vaginal childbirth is one thingwomen can do thatmen can't and that can't be fair), then I think its high time women made decisions about testicles and if we want to remove them surgically from men I am sure we could come up with some research proposal that says certain men would be better off without them, and there's bound to be a section of the female population who would come out with a media statement backing that. Then the major decision would be - under epidural, spinal or GA? Original Message - From: Lesley Kuliukas To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Another unec. C-section... Another nail in the coffin: washingtonpost.com Elective Caesareans Judged Ethical Doctors Group Issues Statement on Popular Procedure By Rob SteinWashington Post Staff WriterFriday, October 31, 2003; Page A02 It is ethical for doctors to deliver a baby by Caesarean section even if the mother faces no known risks from conventional labor, the nation's largest group of pregnancy specialists has decided.The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists' ethics committee is issuing a statement today that for the first time addresses the increasingly popular elective Caesarean sections -- those performed when there is no medical necessity. The organization has never before issued guidelines or official opinions about elective Caesareans, but for years it has been among many medical groups that campaigned to reduce the number of surgical deliveries for any reason.The new statement could help accelerate a rapid increase in Caesarean sections by making doctors more willing to perform the procedure on an elective basis, some experts said.In a retreat from the "natural childbirth" movement, the number of women undergoing surgical deliveries has reached an all-time high. More than one-quarter of all U.S. babies are delivered surgically, the highest rate since the government started collecting statistics on the issue in 1989.The reasons for the increase are complex and controversial, but the trend is being driven in part by a rise in elective Caesareans.Even if their babies are not in a feet-downward "breech" position, or they do not face other possible complications, some women are choosing to forego natural labor and instead schedule a surgical delivery, either for convenience, because they fear the pain of childbirth, or because of concerns about possible long-term complications from the physical trauma of labor and delivery.The increase has led to an intense debate. Opponents argue that elective Caesareans are costly, require more recovery time, and put women at risk for infections, hemorrhages and other complications.Proponents say Caesareans pose no serious risks for most women and that expectant mothers should have the choice. Some go further, saying doctors should actively offer the option because labor and delivery carries significant risks for long-term complications, including decreased sexual sensation, incontinence and other health problems.In the new statement, the ethics committee concludes that the relative risks and benefits of elective Caesareans vs. vaginal deliveries remain unclear, and it cautions against actively advocating surgical deliveries."The burden of proof should fall on those who are advocates for . . . the replacement of a natural process with a major surgical procedure," the committee wrote.Moreover, "given the lack of data, it is not ethically necessary to initiate discussion regarding the relative risks and benefits of elective [Caesarean] birth versus vaginal delivery with every pregnant patient," the committee wrote.But the committee also concludes that "if the physician believes that
Re: [ozmidwifery] My CD got in the newspaper!
Hi Caroline, Congrats on your article. I purchased a copy of your cd at the Homebirth Conference on the w/e and it is beautiful - congratulations and thankyou. Jo - Original Message - From: Wayne and Caroline McCullough [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:25 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] My CD got in the newspaper! Hi everyone, Just wanted to pass on this article in one of our local papers... Made page three and had a lovely photo of me and my beautiful boys. Some of the facts are a bit exaggerated but overall I felt she did a good job. The journo was only 21 and has no kids so imagine how this might influence her... I always think of that : ). By the way, if anyone else wants a CD, they are now being sold via Credit Card through Capers Bookstore online. www.capersbookstore.com.au. Cheers, Cas. * Title: Birth Trauma Spurs CD A distressing first birth resulting in post-traumatic stress disorder has been the driving force behind a mother's decision to launch a CD in support of birth care reform. Forest Lake's Caroline McCullough, who performs under the stage name Cas, will donate 50 cents from every album sold to support the Birth Talk group and help change birth care. When pregnant with her first child, Ms McCullough was induced at 38 weeks and felt severe pain during an emergency caesarean operation. When I told the anaesthetist, he ignored me and said: 'Are you sure? It's just tugging and pushing,' Ms McCullough said. She finally screamed out in pain and was given a general anaesthetic. They didn't do it straight away--they didn't believe me at first. I guess it was unusual that someone felt pain, Ms McCullough said. It was pretty traumatic and no one wants to go through that-it was horrible. Since conducting her own research and talking to other mothers, Ms McCullough has discovered traumatic births are not uncommon, especially for women induced earlier than 40 weeks into the pregnancy. The majority of people I talk to who were induced at 38 or 39 weeks- I can finish the story for them. It's the same (as my experience, she said. Ms McCullough had severe panic attacks following the pregnancy, and was diagnosed with Post Natal Depression, which she now believes was post-traumatic stress disorder. She said one of the biggest problems with birth care was women did not know their options and the medical system failed to give them useful advice and information, especially about the risks of caesareans. Women are not empowered with choices, she said. They're told what to do. They end up in the hands of strangers and are easily manipulated by people who make decisions for them. This point was emphasised to Ms McCullough by the contrast of care between her first and second birth, where she hired a midwife. She would do anything for Daniel and I. She put us first and it ws the most amazing thing in the world to have someone you trust. Through national birth care reform group Maternity Coalition, Ms McCullough has been lobbying governments to adopt the National Maternity Action Plan, which will allow women to have continuity of care throughout pregnancy. To order a copy of Ms McCullough's CD Stranger's City log onto her website at www.casmccullough.com [Caption: Caroline McCullough sings out about her birth care experiences, with the support of her children three-year-old Liam and five-month-old Daniel.] By Carmen Greive. Satellite, p.3, October 29. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Evening Primrose oil
Hi Karen, This is taken from Birthings' a Homebirth Access Sydney publication, the topic for this magazine was 'Natural Induction'. 'Evening Primrose Oil is a natural prostaglandin. The oil will assist in softening/ripen the cervical tissues and increase the flexibility of the pelvic ligaments, and will help the baby to deeply engage in the pelvis. It's also useful for softening scar tissue from abortions or IUD damage. You can take evening primrose oil, orally, in the last four weeks of your pregnancy. You should take three evening primrose oil capsules daily for the first week (36th week of gestation) and then one to two capsules a day for the last three weeks of pregnancy. In the last week you can insert 2 capsules into the vagina at bedtime as long as the bag of waters is intact'. I've also heard of midwives massaging the cervix with evening primrose oil but wouldn't know how often etc etc. Cheers Jo Hunter - Original Message - From: Fred and Karen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 6:36 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Evening Primrose oil Hi all, Just a query, can anyone tell me whether you have heard of evening primrose oil being used vaginally to help bring on labour? If so, how much, how often etc etc??? Many thanks Cheers Karen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] The Panel
You can also visit www.smh.com.au and send them a letter as well as ring the Channel 10 switch board (02) 9650 1010 and tell them how great you think it is. It astounds me that Glenn Robbins can show a clip of some woman using herenormous breasts to wash the windscreen of a car but Kate breastfeeding has become such a huge controversyridiculous! Jo - Original Message - From: altrewern To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] The Panel The other thing people can do is ring 1902555901 to register a YES vote as A Current Affair is conducting a phone poll on "Should women be able to b/f in public". Need to do it by Friday lunch/afternoon. Linda Trewern - Original Message - From: Jen Semple To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] The Panel Me too! Let's send letters to Channel 10, tv guides (like the Green Guide in The Age), etc let them know they're on to a good thing! Jen- Original Message - From: Karen Cole To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:39 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] The Panel Congratulations to Kate Langbrook who tonight fed her 5 week old baby live on television. Rather than fit her child in around her work commitments she proved that demand feeding is just that. Karen Yahoo! Search- Looking for more? Try the new Yahoo! Search
[ozmidwifery] hOMEBIRTH CONFERENCE
Hi everyone, Justine Caines has asked me to post an update of the 22nd National Homebirth Conference, as she is taking a well deserved holiday with her family. HOMEBIRTH AUSTRALIA CONFERENCE 1st 2nd November 2003, Canberra Stories of Birth at home. The personal is the political be inspired, be empowered, be informed... by the stories of... George Negus: Homebirth father and journalist Kirsty Cockburn: Homebirth mother of 2, journalist Tracey Anderson Askew: Homebirth mother and childbirth educator Liz Mullinar: Mother, founder Advocates for Survivors of Child Abuse Sally-Anne Brown: Homebirth mother and childbirth activist Kathleen Fahey: Mother of 2, Professor of Midwifery Kerrie Tucker: Homebirth mother and politician Vicki Chan: Homebirth mother and midwife Aiden Ridgeway: Father and politician be moved... by the audio-visual magic of Nic Edmonstone: Homebirth mother, video editor bring your stories and join us... Canberra National University, Acton. Canberra For further information www.homebirthaustralia.org or talk to Justine phone: 02 6548 2248 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Early bird rate - $180 normal rate - $210 Conference Dinner - $50 *Please note that the early bird rate has been extended to Sept 27th Hope to meet some of you there! Jo Hunter Homebirth mother to 4 children HAS Coordinator INNATE BIRTH CBE and Doula
Re: [ozmidwifery] The Panel
I saw Kate breastfeed her baby on the Panel also tonight and let out a loud - woo hoo, while watching alone in my loungeroom. Channel 10 must also be congratulated. A friend of mine was recently on a game show and was told that she could not leave the studio during intermissions to filming to breastfeed her baby as the director of the show thought that it would distract her train of thought - yet other participants were allowed to leave for cigarette breaksWhat's that about? Go Kate and channel 10! Jo Hunter - Original Message - From: Karen Cole To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:39 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] The Panel Congratulations to Kate Langbrook who tonight fed her 5 week old baby live on television. Rather than fit her child in around her work commitments she proved that demand feeding is just that. Karen
Re: [ozmidwifery] gps and yoga
Hi Jo, Yoga Babes in Manly offers yoga classes and birthing workshops using yoga, as well as mums n bubs yoga classes contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not sure of a Dr but there's a great paediatrician Named Dr Anthony Underwood, pro natural health and supports parents who choose not to vaccinate. Is into Steiner philosophy's and takes the whole being into consideration - not just the body. He works in Pymble, I know his books are full but have heard that he was reopening his books in Oct. Can get his contact details if you are interested. Cheers Jo Hunter - Original Message - From: Jo Bourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 12:29 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] gps and yoga Hi, this is kind of off topic but I am hoping someone on this list could recommend a really good antenatal yoga class in Sydney. When in Adelaide I did the classes at Coast Yoga which are really wonderful and incorporate so much more information (and birth stories) than just yoga, I would love to find something similar here, preferably in the eastern suburbs. A friend and I are also having trouble finding a good GP who is knowledgeable about womens and babies health, breastfeeding and who is open to complimentary therapies and is pro natrual birth. we don't want much I know :-). My friend, who is pregnant, and I thought we had found a good practice but when she asked about her birth options the Dr she saw replied that she was the first woman to ever to ask about natural birth! We took that (and other things) as a bad sign and are still looking. please feel free to contact me off list if you can recommend either a yoga class or a GP. thanks in advance Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Homebirth support group in Wales?
Hi all, I had one of our members contact me today, she explained that she and her family were moving to Wales at Christmas time and would like to link up with a group similar to H.A.S. in Wales. Does anyone know of such a group? Thanks in advance. Jo Hunter
Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth support group in Wales?
Excellent...thanks for that Andrea. Could you possibly post the contact details of these groups for me? The woman seeking this info doesn't have email, so I will be snail mailing it all to her. Cheers Jo - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth support group in Wales? Hi Jo, In all my travels in Wales I haven't come across any community groups for homebirth such as HAS. There are NCT (National Childbirth Trust) groups but they are broad based, not just focusing on home birth. BTW, if she wants a home birth while she is in Wales, she should be able to have one, without any problems, through the National Health Service. They have a new Welsh Government intitiative in place that is really supportive of midwifery and home birth, and the rate of homebirths is climbing rapidly in most areas. The Caerphilly Birth Centre is also an excellent mdiwifery unit (not far out of Cardiff). If your member wants any other ideas, she can email me and I will give her some contacts Regards, Andrea At 07:34 PM 6/09/2003, jo hunter wrote: Hi all, I had one of our members contact me today, she explained that she and her family were moving to Wales at Christmas time and would like to link up with a group similar to H.A.S. in Wales. Does anyone know of such a group? Thanks in advance. Jo Hunter - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] questions about care options in sydney
Hi Jo, I'm from Homebirth Access Sydney, you are most welcome to give me a call if you are interested in going down the homebirth route. Jo - (02) 47 519840 Alternatively, Oct 25 - 31st is Homebirth Awareness Week and Denise Love has organised a day of speakers all to do with homebirth called - Get the factsdispel the myths! Different presentations on 1. Siblings at homebirth 2. Men as midwives/ My independent practice 3. Postnatal care for woman 4. Motherhood mysteries experiential session 5. One women's experience 6. What's a Doula 7. Parenting by heart 8. A look at a homebirth and the midwives role This is to be held on Sat Oct 26th from 10am - 3pm and the cost is $10 per family. The address is 723 Elizabeth St, Waterloo (Brent Street School of Performing Arts) Hope this helps Jo Hunter - Original Message - From: Jo Bourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] questions about care options in sydney Hi, I am fairly new to this list, I hope that this is the right place to be asking these questions. I had my first child 18 months ago in Adelaide, at the Birth Centre at the QEH. We received truly excellent care throughout my pregnancy, the birth and with breastfeeding problems afterwards, I wouldn't hesitate to go back but we are now living in Sydney. I am not yet pregnant but I am feeling anxious to know what my options are and a girlfriend who lives round the corner has just found out she is pregnant so we have decided to explore all the options available to us together. I would like to know: 1) is there a publicly funded caseload/continuity of care program running anywhere in sydney? 2) is there any publicly funded homebirth otpion available in sydney? 3) where do I find a list of independent midwives working in the eastern suburbs? 4) does the RWH birth centre allow you to book as a private patient under the care of an independant midwife? If so is there a limited list of midwives who have admitting rights? The same questions for the KGV birth centre actually. 5) where can I find out stats on the birth centres at Randwick and KGV such as transfer out rates (before and during labour), intervention rates for transfered women and also any policies I am likely to want to know about (for example do they have policies regarding active management of 3rd state, water birth, breech, twins, vbac, time limits, etc). 6) who is the right person to contact in order to make a time to see the RWH and KGV birth centres and talk in person about their philosophies and policies? 7) I would also like to make a shortlist of good OBs should one become necessary so anyone on this list who is able to recommend an OB practicing preferably at RWH/POWP, but anywhere in sydney would do, who is very supportive of natural birth and is for example homebirth friendly and experienced with vaginal breech, please let me know. I would also be very grateful for warnings of anyone to particularly steer clear of. If you prefer to answer this last question privately (or any of the questions really) please feel free to email me directly. thanks so much! Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Every little bit counts...
Title: Message Here here! Jo Hunter - Original Message - From: Wayne and Caroline McCullough To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Every little bit counts... Last night I got a phone call seeking a referral for a Doula (my midwife) and had a lovely chat to a potential VBAC woman who didn't have a friggin' clue. She was so scared and misinformed and we talked about alot of things before I referred her onto the support group that really helped me in my birthing journey, Birthtalk. I think she was just glad for a listening ear and a bit of acknowledgement of what she was dealing with. Today I called my friend Deb who helps run Birthtalk and she told me that a girl who had attended just one of our meetings several months ago (another VBAC--previous C-Section for breech) went away and did a bunch of research and then had a wonderful homebirth (something she never would have even considered before coming along to Birthtalk). I was so chuffed about this because I remember this scared little girl and how she didn't really understand or know anything about the maternal health system and her rights etc etc... Whenever we plant a seed for a tree someone else will sit under, we are doing an amazing thing. I hope you all find this encouraging as I have and I congratulate the girls from Birthtalk for their wonderful support group which has made such a difference in women's lives! Cheers, Cas.
Re: [ozmidwifery] HOMEBIRTH INFORMATION
I'm sure there are lay/traditional midwives out there assisting women. We're always really careful to promote attended homebirth and only refer women to midwives who are registered, however I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find some traditional midwives, if that's what a woman is seeking. Jo - Original Message - From: Barbara Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 7:55 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] HOMEBIRTH INFORMATION might this include unregistered midwives? Barbara --- Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Jan I am sure this applies in every state Go for it Denise - Original Message - From: Jan Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 3:25 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] HOMEBIRTH INFORMATION Dear ozmid subscribers If anyone has first-hand knowledge of any adverse or 'near miss' outcomes from any PLANNED UNATTENDED HOMEBIRTHS please send it to me privately. There seems to be at least twice the number of unattended homebirths occurring in NSW than those attended by registered midwives. Any information forwarded will be treated confidentially (your names will not be published) but accurate information of cases will be compiled in a list of 'horror stories' that ASIM will use to try and fast-track the funding of homebirths in NSW. Every woman deserves her own midwife free of charge. Thanks in anticipation Jan __ Jan Robinson Phone/fax: 011+ 61+ 2+ 9546 4350 Independent Midwife Practitioner e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8 Robin Crescent www: midwiferyeducation.com.au South Hurstville NSW 2221 National Coordinator, ASIM __ -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. http://search.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Search - Looking for more? Try the new Yahoo! Search -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] HOMEBIRTH INFORMATION
Hi Jayne, As the coordinator of Homebirth Access Sydney (consumer run organisation) I do receive calls from women requesting information about unassisted homebirth. I was receiving quite a few calls for a time there (averaging 1 - 2 a month, which I consider alot), however I haven't received any for a while. It seems there are a range of reasons women are choosing unattended homebirth, it is important to remember here that unattended does not necessarily mean unsupported. Many of the women I have spoken with who have opted to go down this road are very supported (just not by a midwife) and have studied and researched extensively and know more about birth than most birthing woman and possibly some midwives. The reasons I have come across are (in order of preference) - Have had previous homebirths and don't have access to a midwife (either no one in area or midwives they have contacted are totally booked up) - A personal philosophy, something that they and their partner really want to do - Have had previous negative experience in hospital, don't want to go down that road again but can't find a midwife. - Have had previous uncomplicated natural birth in hospital, want to birth at home but can't afford/find a midwife. It is very difficult because of the nature of phone contact there is often no follow up, therefore we never end up knowing what these women decide to do and what outcomes have occurred. I do ask them to keep in touch but inevitably they don't. Looking at the statistics of homebirths with a midwife attending and homebirths without a midwife attending (which I believe is more than double), it appears that many of them are 'doing it unassisted' quite successfully. Cheers Jo Hunter Homebirth mum to 4 children HAS Coordinator INNATE BIRTH CBE and Doula - Original Message - From: jayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] HOMEBIRTH INFORMATION Are these planned unattended homebirths being choosen because they can't afford/have access to a midwife? Or for other reasons? Jayne If anyone has first-hand knowledge of any adverse or 'near miss' outcomes from any PLANNED UNATTENDED HOMEBIRTHS please send it to me privately. There seems to be at least twice the number of unattended homebirths occurring in NSW than those attended by registered midwives. Any information forwarded will be treated confidentially (your names will not be published) but accurate information of cases will be compiled in a list of 'horror stories' that ASIM will use to try and fast-track the funding of homebirths in NSW. Every woman deserves her own midwife free of charge. Thanks in anticipation Jan __ Jan Robinson Phone/fax: 011+ 61+ 2+ 9546 4350 Independent Midwife Practitioner e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8 Robin Crescent www: midwiferyeducation.com.au South Hurstville NSW 2221 National Coordinator, ASIM __ -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Fw: [birthings] Fw: hello from America
Hi all, Jan R, Justine C, Mary M, anyone? Thought you may be interested! Cheers Jo Hunter - Original Message - From: Natalie Starr Mudd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:35 PM Subject: hello from America Hello, Iam a licensed midwife in south-eastern USA, who practices in the homebirth setting. I am planning a six month stay in Sydney starting in January. I am interested in exchanging ideas and information, and also becoming active withinthe midwife and homebirth organizations in general and with special regard to thePI insurance withdrawal crisis. How can I help and whom shouldI contact? Any information regarding homebirth around Sydney, and activism in NSW or nationally would be greatly appreciated. Please forward my email to others as you see fit. thanks so much, Natalie Starr Mudd Columbia, South Carolina, USA Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth Awareness Week
Hi Denise, This sounds fantastic. I'd LOVE to do a presentation on 'siblings at homebirth' from a parents perspective and discussing ways to prepare older children etc.as well asgive a bit of a wrap about HAS also. Let me know if this could work out. Could you send me some info off list [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that I can add it to the next issueof Birthings - it's going to print at the end of the week so I need it asap. Look forward to seeing your new venue too! love Jo x - Original Message - From: Denise Love To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth Awareness Week Hi Jo, Birth Central in a new premises at Waterloois planning to have a day for Homebirth week..current thoughts are 26th October...Sunday 10-2...I have a LARGE indoor venue with play area for littlies, space for stalls, and venue for speakers and some entertainment by children planned..Would love anybody who would like to present a 1 hour session to let me know.So far there is a Hypnobirthing presentation..A Doula Presentation..a Parents presentation, so would love to hear from any midwives who would like to do something, or any other suggestions! Look forward to hearing from you Denise LoveBirth Central 92 9399 5854Doula ExpressLifeOptionswww.e-lifeoptions.com - Original Message - From: jo hunter To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 12:18 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth Awareness Week Hi all, Just a reminder that Homebirth Awareness Week is looming..October 25th - 31st. Should anyone like to organise something to raise awareness of homebirth in their community please go for it. HAS in the past have organised a family picnic with stalls, jumping castle and face painting and lots of media coverage and taken out stalls at local markets. Hunter Homebirth are holding some seminars on the benefits of homebirth. We are thinking of approaching our local libraries and setting up unmanned stalls for the week with flyers, info and photo's. If anyone would like to organise something it can be advertised in 'Birthings' free of charge. I realise that HAS is a Sydney based organisation, however we do have interstate and international members. Happy homebirthing! Jo Hunter
[ozmidwifery] Homebirth Awareness Week
Hi all, Just a reminder that Homebirth Awareness Week is looming..October 25th - 31st. Should anyone like to organise something to raise awareness of homebirth in their community please go for it. HAS in the past have organised a family picnic with stalls, jumping castle and face painting and lots of media coverage and taken out stalls at local markets. Hunter Homebirth are holding some seminars on the benefits of homebirth. We are thinking of approaching our local libraries and setting up unmanned stalls for the week with flyers, info and photo's. If anyone would like to organise something it can be advertised in 'Birthings' free of charge. I realise that HAS is a Sydney based organisation, however we do have interstate and international members. Happy homebirthing! Jo Hunter
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula needed!
Hi Kelly, Mid North coast of NSW. Cheers Jo - Original Message - From: Kelly Yates To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula needed! Hello Jo, Where is Bellingen? cheers Kelly - Original Message - From: jo hunter To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 6:42 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula needed! Hi all, Hoping that someone can help. I currently have a client who is moving from the Blue Mtns to Bellingen in a few weeks time. She has booked into the birthing room at Bellingen Hospital to have her baby (due in early Dec) and would like to employ a doula to assist her at the birth. Anyone know of a doula who works in this area? Thanks in advance. Jo Hunter Homebirth mum to 4 HAS Coordinator INNATE BIRTH CBE and Doula
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula needed!
Thanks Denise. Jo - Original Message - From: Denise Love To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula needed! Jo, I am trying to get Olivia's details...should have them in a couple of days! Sorry for the delay...I have had to put a trail out! Denise - Original Message - From: jo hunter To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 6:42 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula needed! Hi all, Hoping that someone can help. I currently have a client who is moving from the Blue Mtns to Bellingen in a few weeks time. She has booked into the birthing room at Bellingen Hospital to have her baby (due in early Dec) and would like to employ a doula to assist her at the birth. Anyone know of a doula who works in this area? Thanks in advance. Jo Hunter Homebirth mum to 4 HAS Coordinator INNATE BIRTH CBE and Doula
[ozmidwifery] doula needed!
Hi all, Hoping that someone can help. I currently have a client who is moving from the Blue Mtns to Bellingen in a few weeks time. She has booked into the birthing room at Bellingen Hospital to have her baby (due in early Dec) and would like to employ a doula to assist her at the birth. Anyone know of a doula who works in this area? Thanks in advance. Jo Hunter Homebirth mum to 4 HAS Coordinator INNATE BIRTH CBE and Doula
[ozmidwifery] Fw: New waterbirth discussion group
For your interest! Jo Hunter -- From: Gloria Lemay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Childbirth with Confidence Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:37:21 -0700 Subject: New waterbirth discussion group I have started a new Yahoo email group for women who wish to learn more and discuss facets of waterbirth. I have set up this email group in response to a request from my good friend, Barbara Harper, of Global Maternal/Child Health in Oregon. Below is a portion of a letter from Barbara with details about an upcoming international waterbirth conference in Chicago/2004. If you wish to join the new Yahoo group, go to this website and apply: Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/waterbirthinwomen Group email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Excerpt from Barbara's letter.. We are planning the next International Waterbirth Congress, Mark your calendar NOW for next year!! Come Join Us in Chicago April 22-25, 2004 International Waterbirth Congress: Embracing Birth Together Chicago, Illinois - Hyatt Regency Oak Brook Hotel call or email us if you want to get on the mailing list for this fantastic conference or if you would like to submit a proposal to speak. Don't wait! 1-800-641-2229. We need people to help us spread the word and we need baby photos, preferably digital, but paper photos will do. We always have a slide show either at the beginning or end. We are gathering the addresses, phone numbers and websites of all the hospitals in the US that provide maternity care. This if for several reasons, the main one is the plan to execute a nationwide survey on the use of warm water immersion in labor and birth. The survey's would be done on the phone during a two month period. The results will be compiled and shared at the International Waterbirth Congress. We are recruiting volunteers nationwide who are computer savvy and can go through the lists on the Internet (I'll give you the website link that we use to search for hospitals) compile them for each state and then email them to me for our office volunteers to enter into our FileMaker Database. The list will also be a great mailing list for the upcoming conference. A HREF=http://www.ahd.com/freesearch.php3; http://www.ahd.com/freesearch.php3/A The main goal of Waterbirth International is.. To make warm water immersion for labor and birth AN AVAILABLE OPTION for ALL WOMEN in ALL BIRTH SETTINGS by 2015. Yes, that means that every hospital in the US will have an installed birth pool and know how to use it. We all know that when a hospital or birth center embraces waterbirth the they quickly change their practice and become truly mother-friendly. Complete mother friendly hospitals will only happen when we have water for all women and doulas for all women. I'll let the DONA folks take care of the doulas. We'll take care of the water immersion. Thanks for all your help and for joining us in promoting and providing the option of water immersion for all women in all birth settings. Many Blessings, Barbara Harper, RN Founder/Director Waterbirth International www.waterbirth.org We LOVE helping women get into Hot Water!! ® Thanks for your work in birth, Gloria Lemay http://www.glorialemay.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] ILCA conference next week
Hi Pinky, Where are you giving your talk in Sydney? Would love to come if you can pass on the details. Jo Hunter - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ILCA conference next week Hi julie, I am having a stand with my books but sounds like they are strict about not lettingexhibitors attend any sessions -I couldnt affrd to do both -discovered yesterday that my publisher has closed all author accounts so had to pay up front for my books - I usually do but but usually order lesser amounts. I am looking forward to putting faces to names, Im giving atalk organised by Denise Love on Friday Night in Sydney. Pinky - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: Ozmidwifery Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:10 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] ILCA conference next week Good Morning everyone I had a bit of a shocking start to my day today. I was outside hosing down windows not watching where I was going and fell backwards into my freezing cold swimming pool, up to my neck !!! Brr I then got out and squished my way to the tap and turned it off then stood outside the back door and stripped down all my wet cold winter heavy clothes before coming in and getting dry and dressed again. I am hugging a hot water bottle and still cold L On to more pleasant things who is coming to the Lactation Consultants Conference next week?? I am really looking forward to it, but of course I will be careful not to go to close to the edge at Darling Harbour! Hug Julie Julie Clarke CBE Childbirth and Parenting Educator ACE Grad-Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer Transition into Parenthood Sessions 9 Withybrook Place Sylvania NSW 2224 T. (02) 9544 6441 Mobile: 0401 265530 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au
[ozmidwifery] Fw: [birthings] Breastfeeding Week
Please pass this on to anyone who may be interested. I think they are trying to top America's score in the Guinness Book of Records for having the most breastfeeding women in one place. Jo Hunter NOTICE: Celebrate World Breastfeeding Week 2003 in Sydney The Australian Breastfeeding Association would like to invite you to join us for a Breastfeeding Challenge Pramathon! when: Friday 8th August 2003, 10am where: Bicentennial Park, Homebush. Follow the signs from the Visitors Centre (Australia St). We will begin with the Breastfeeding Challenge followed by a Pram-walk around the childrens bike track. If you know of similar events in other states, please let us know or organise your own event!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[ozmidwifery] pregnant soon after birth!
Hi all, I had a phone call from a woman today who is seeking information and or stories from other women who have had 2 babies close together. She has a 6 month old and has found out she is pregnant again. She is not sure whether or not she will go ahead with the pregnancy as she feels she will be unable to cope with 2 children so close. I was able to share my own story with her (pregnant with 3rd when 2nd was 4 months old). I feel she's quite unsupported as a mother but tells me her pregnancy, birth and parenting so far have been positive and she is quite obviously in love with her bub,she has been control crying her baby'who is a terrible sleeper' and says she feels exhausted much of the time(I referred her to your book Pinky). Does anyone have any ideas of websites, books etc to help her. A bit lost! Thanks Jo Hunter Homebirth mum to 4 HAS Coordinator Innate Birth CBEducator and Doula
Re: [ozmidwifery] question for a friend
Thanks to Andrea and Marilyn for your help with this one. Jo Hunter Homebirth mum to 4 HAS Coordinator Innate Birth CBEducator and Doula - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] question for a friend I'd say that she was very likely carrying twins and has lost one. It is not uncommon to bleed very heavily at this time and to then go on and have the other one without incident. As for her dates being wrong well the ultrasound people often get it wrong in my book. Of course its not much of a worry when they think your less than them as they tend to leave you alone and not worry about post dates and stuff so let them think what they want and encourage the woman to quietly go about what only she can do and that is grow a healthy baby and look after herself.Andrea QuanchiOn Monday, July 7, 2003, at 11:04 PM, jo hunter wrote: Hi there,A friend has asked me to post a question to the list. Please excuse my ignorance if this is a common phenomenon.My friend has recently found out that she is pregnant after many years of trying and 18 months of seeing a naturopath to help her conceive.From the date of her last period she is8 weeks pregnant and she is diabetic. She had a bleed 3 weeks ago and feared she was miscarrying but after bed rest the bleeding stopped and all appeared to be fine. She had an ultrasound a few days ago which showed 2 sacs - 1 empty and 1 with fetus and by the size of the baby they have told her she is 5 weeks pregnant..which of course does not add up according to the date of her last period. Could she have been carrying twins and miscarried one and the live baby just be small for dates? The second sac is attached to the first empty sac which is attached to the wall of the uterus and they tell her they are worried that if the first sac comes away it may take the second one with it. She's understandably pretty worried - anyone had any experiences with this kind of thing?Thanks in advance.Jo HunterHomebirth mum to 4HAS CoordinatorInnate Birth CBE and Doula
Re: [ozmidwifery] National Register of ALL Independent ChildbirthEducators (NICE)
Hi Julie, Jo Hunter here. Could you send me your email address - I seem to have lost it. So that I can send you 'Innate Birth' details - Childbirth Education and Doula Service. Classes are going well and plenty of Doula work coming in. Thanks for putting this register together for all of us. Warmest regards Jo - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: Ozmidwifery Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 2:27 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] National Register of ALL Independent Childbirth Educators (NICE) Hi everyone Every now and then, I will be asked to refer someone to another Independent Educator somewhere in Australia and I am often unable to help simply because there does not seem to be a register of Independent Educators anywhere. So I thought lets do it lets pull the information together so that anytime I am asked I can readily refer. I am currently working on developing a list of all Independent Childbirth Educators in Australia and might look at getting it printed professionally J to make available for distribution. If you are an independent childbirth educator who would like to be added to the list then please send your details to me for inclusion. (On the other hand, if you know someone who would like to be on the list then please forward this email to them). Name: Address: Telephone: Facsimile: Mobile: Email: Details of Independent Childbirth Education Classes offered: The region of area you would describe as your catchment area and the hospitals in that catchment. I hope you can all help me Of course I will let you know when its complete and make it available to you. I will call this list: NICE 2003 - National Independent Childbirth Educators 2003. How funky is that, eh? hug Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 Fax: (02) 9544 9257 Mobile 0401 2655 30 Catchment: St George and Sutherland Shire Region in the South Eastern Sydney.
[ozmidwifery] question for a friend
Hi there, A friend has asked me to post a question to the list. Please excuse my ignorance if this is a common phenomenon. My friend has recently found out that she is pregnant after many years of trying and 18 months of seeing a naturopath to help her conceive. From the date of her last period she is8 weeks pregnant and she is diabetic. She had a bleed 3 weeks ago and feared she was miscarrying but after bed rest the bleeding stopped and all appeared to be fine. She had an ultrasound a few days ago which showed 2 sacs - 1 empty and 1 with fetus and by the size of the baby they have told her she is 5 weeks pregnant..which of course does not add up according to the date of her last period. Could she have been carrying twins and miscarried one and the live baby just be small for dates? The second sac is attached to the first empty sac which is attached to the wall of the uterus and they tell her they are worried that if the first sac comes away it may take the second one with it. She's understandably pretty worried - anyone had any experiences with this kind of thing? Thanks in advance. Jo Hunter Homebirth mum to 4 HAS Coordinator Innate Birth CBE and Doula
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Pinky wrote Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Hi Pinky, Jo Hunter here - I'm still breastfeeding my 20 month old daughter and know of a few other women breastfeeding their toddlers who I'm sure would be willing to be interviewed! Love your work! Jo HAS Coordinator Homebirth mum to 4 INNATE BIRTH CBEducator and doula -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] the irony of it all
Hi all, The below email was sent to me by a friend in the UK - thought some of you may find interest in it! Jo Hunter HAS Coordinator Homebirth mum to 4 INNATE BIRTH CBEducator and doula Hi Jo Thought this might interest youin our local paper ... there is concern about Welsh homebirths (our county borders Wales and the paper covers both areas). Apparently there are ... NOT ENOUGH OF THEM. You see they save the NHS money and only 500 babies were born at home in Wales last year. Tut tut! Not good enough. More midwives have been employed to offer this option as 'We want to make sure that every woman who wants to have a homebirth can have one.' Life is full of ironies, isn't it... Love Kate _ Get mobile Hotmail. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] A Home for a Homebirth
Kye Porritt, who is a midwife at Nepean Hospital and homebirth mum to 3 boys, has aself-contained 1 bedcottage on her land at Hazelbrook.The bedroom is a double bedroom with an ensuite, plus a kitchenette, loungeroom and dining nook, also has 2 foldaway beds for children and a portacot - plenty of outdoor space and play equipment for children. My parents-in-law rented it from them last year for 2 months on a visit from England. Sure she'd oblige if it isn't booked up. Her number is 0247 587 267. Hope this helps. Jo - Original Message - From: Trudie de keijzer To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] A Home for a Homebirth I have a young couple with toddler looking for a furnished home to rent for 3 weeks as a place to have their homebirth in the Blue Mountains from July 20th to August 10th, can any one help?Trudie de Keijzerphone 02 47572337mobile 0438 572337http://www.homebirthservices.com.au52a Fletcher street Wentworth FallsNSW 2782Australia
Re: [ozmidwifery] Talk to year 10's
Natalie and I gave some similar talks to 14 15 year old girls about the joys and benefits of particularly homebirth but also midwifery led care. We had such a ball, as did they and many of them at the end of the session said that they would definately have a homebirth and/or waterbirth. This particular teacher is running such a fantastic program, which includes the girls taking home 'virtual babies' for 3 days and nights. One girl said she was exhausted because her baby was waking up every 2 hours and would only sleep if it was in the bed next to her - sound familiar? This type of community education is so important, we volunteered our time through HAS to run these sessions, shame it's not financially supported by local Govt. Hopefully they'll take the information with them into womanhood! Jo Hunter - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:10 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Talk to year 10's Went to speak to a group of year 10 girls (and one boy) today as part of their childcare unit.Had only an hour in which to cover a variety of issues, but it was heartening to hear that these girls believed (without prompting) that the best person to look after a lady during pregnancy and birth was a midwife and not an OB, and that babies could be born as easily at home (and in water) than in a hospital. They did believe that the best position to labour and birth was on your back, but after a bit of pelvis exploring, they concluded that upright was far better.One girls said that women should pay more if they chose to have a section without medical need :-)Felt much cheered by my visit. Debbie
Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth Conference
It's been in NSW for the last 2 years and should really be in another state, any Canberra takers? Nat and I have a folder full of stuff to help the next organisers along, we started from scratch with no idea of how to organise a conference and as you can imagine learnt an awful lot along the way - there are also some funds in our account to pass on to the next organisers to get them started also. If you are interested, it really was alot of fun and very rewarding! Jo Hunter - Original Message - From: Sally To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 12:01 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth Conference When and where is the next homebirth conference going to be? love Sally
Re: [ozmidwifery] C.section education to do or not to do?
I have to say I felt similarly annoyed at the guy who spoke of his wife at the NACE conference. He did have some wonderful things to say also but some of the stuff about his wifes c/s PND etc. floored me also. Jo Hunter - Original Message - From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OzMid List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] C.section education to do or not to do? I would like to know what everyone on the list thinks of the legal issues and the ethical issues around facilitating c.section preparation classes? Ah Julie What a dilemma. A very sad man spoke at the NACE Conf (father of 3 children all c-sections) and he said in antenatal education men must be prepared for a c-section because 1 in 4 women will have one and at the moment he's right. The joke is only around 1 in 10 women really need one. I was personally enraged by his comments he showed no understanding of unnecessary intervention and had a wife at home who had had PND, while he spends 6 months of the year travelling for work! Perhaps if he used his energy to promote care that that supported women and families and developed trust he would not have had to develop the Fathers brigade to try and appease the guilt or whatever!! So I am glad I am not an educator. The challenge if I was one would be to help women understand why 1 in 4 births are currently resulting in caesarean section and at the same time why only 1 or so in 10 should! I have real admiration for women that have unnecessary intervention and look back and recognise it and then change their future experiences, that takes real courage and personal growth. Sadly so many just stay on the I had one I've gotta have another treadmill!! In solidarity Justine -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] risks of 4th c/s and support for artificial feeding
Hi Alesa, This is not directly in answer to your question but I have a great article that was published in the latest edition of Birthings (Homebirth Access Sydney Newsletter), written by a mother of 4 whom had a vaginal birth after 3 c/s - I can send it to you off list if you are interested. Cheers Jo - Original Message - From: Alesa Koziol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] risks of 4th c/s and support for artificial feeding Hi Sarah I remember from many years ago when I was a student that any further C/S after three, was 'dangerous'. However I have known many women who have have up to 5 C/S with no probs.I beleive that the concern would be scar seperation in late pregnancy as the lower segment starts to expand. Some of the women I have met have actually had small dehiscence occuring by the time they get to theatre but nothing was felt by the woman. As for your second question, with the raising profile of BFHI I would be suprised if any 'group' classes in making up formula would be available within a hospital setting. IMHO, and from observation women are supported in their feeding choices which ever way they go. I undertand that women sometimes feel less supported if they choose to AF. I believe that these are often the same women who have been struggling with breastfeeding difficulties, have probably had a lot of Midwife assistance with their BF, when they then compare the little time which a Midwife needs to spend assisting a woman in the basics of AF it would be easy to draw the conslusion that the support is not there or reduced. Cheers Alesa Alesa Koziol Clinical Midwifery Educator elbourne -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] risks of 4th c/s and support for artificial feeding
I give HAS' permission to post this story. It is quite long but worth the read! Jo Caesarean, Caesarean, Caesarean, Natural Birth By Clare Colman I was 24, healthy, a newly admitted lawyer. I booked in to see a private obstetrician in a large maternity hospital. I read pregnancy books. I attended the hospital classes. I had complete faith in the system and knew nothing of the politics of birth. The pregnancy went smoothly, until 38 weeks when my obstetrician sent me for a pelvimetry. I'm now sure it had more to do with my size (a petite 150cm) and my occupation than any health risk. The results had shown my pelvis to be inadequate and an elective caesar scheduled. I was devastated, but the compromise was that I could undergo a trial of labour, so long as I came to hospital at the first sign of labour. I was told, since the baby hadn't engaged, I could have a cord prolapse and then we have 8 minutes to get the baby out before it dies. So at 2am on his due date, I had the show and rang the hospital! I was there by 4am. Labour hadn't even started but no one suggested I go home. No sustenance, no sleep, on my feet till 6pm. By then I was exhausted, starving, discouraged, only 2cm. I didn't even see my doctor, who was not available that weekend. I agreed to an epidural and the inevitable caesar. Andrew was born at 2.20am on 10.1.94, weighing 3.195kg. The operation itself was not physically painful, but I felt totally detached from what was going on, as if I was an observer. I think this was a coping mechanism at the time - I was hooked up to so much equipment - electrodes on my chest, automatic blood pressure cuff on my arm (which cut off the circulation every minute or so), electrodes on my thumb, cannula and drip in my arm, oxygen mask on my face (nifty shower cap too), catheter in my spine, catheter for my bladder, naked and numb from the chest down, belly swabbed in brown antiseptic, and a screen between me and the surgery. My husband was sitting beside me, and there was a team of 7 or 8 staff members. In recovery my body shook violently for about 15 minutes, which I was told was a normal reaction to an epidural. I slept for a couple of hours and woke to the most pain I had ever felt. I had never had any serious injury or illness in my life before - it was like having been hit by a truck. I spent that day in bed. I couldn't even roll over from one side to the other without 2 nurses assisting. Pethidine shots in the thigh every four hours made me feel dopey and sleepy, and helped detach from the pain, but also made connection with my new baby extremely difficult. I didn't even think he was really mine. I just wanted to be left alone to sleep and make the pain go away. The next day I had to get out of bed, and walk to the other end of the ward for a shower. I thought I was going to pass out with pain, and kept apologising to the nurse for being so slow! Physically each day got a little easier as I became more mobile and the intensity of the pain eased, but the thought of having to take a baby home and care for it made me feel sheer panic. I felt like I had failed the first test of motherhood in having not been able to give birth, breastfeeding was not going well, I felt no connection with my baby and I had lost faith in my body. Many of the feelings that flowed from my caesarean were gradual rather than immediate, but they included a profound sense of loss, inadequacy, failure and sadness, guilt that I was not more grateful for the health of my child, and eventually anger at the circumstances which led to the caesar and the way I was treated afterwards. (I was sent home with an infected wound, cracked nipples, a thrush infection and no follow-up care. It was 9 weeks before I was able to see my doctor for a post-natal checkup, because she was fully booked!) The second caesarean 2 years later added a sense of powerlessness in the face of medical technology and the doctor/patient relationship. I allowed decisions to be made for me and my baby and things to be done which went against my instinct and feelings. I had changed doctors (another female obstetrician) and hospitals and made clear from the start my desire for a natural delivery. But a long cycle meant my official due date was 3 weeks out, it was Christmastime, and private hospitals pay triple time to theatre staff. Surgery was scheduled, rather than wait another six days till after the holidays, strictly for the sake of the baby of course. Stephanie arrived on 21.12.95, weighing 3.259kg. Having a general anaesthetic after a failed epidural (and an encounter with the worst anaesthetist I have ever met, who yelled at me for failing to co-operate when he couldn't get the needle in my back) also created an obstacle to bonding with my daughter - it was a long time before I felt she was even mine, and there was no transition from being pregnant to being a mother. I am sure my caesars contributed to PND during the
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore dry areola
Jackie McFarlane in Sydney offers a service called Body-centred Hypnotherapy for childbirth, I presume this is the same as hypnobirthing??? Her email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phone 9566 1035. Has your client tried expressing a bit of milk regularly and rubbing it around her aerola - worked for me! Cheers Jo Hunter - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:22 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: sore dry areola from client can someone help? have done the usual ie no soap no bra no sythetics its a real problem thanks in anticipation jan what can I use to soothe very itchy, dry areola at the moment? Oh and also meant to ask you if you knew anything about Hypno birthing yesterday..can't seem to get any information here in Australia..lot's in the US..why are we so CONSERVATIVE in this country about birthing...grr! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] midwifery training
Hi all, My name is Jo Hunter and I have been a list subscriber on and off for the last year. I'm actually wanting a bit of advise regarding midwifery training. I'll tell you a bit about myself before moving on. I am the Coordinator of Homebirth Access Sydney (HAS) and have been involved with HAS for 5 years, I'm a homebirth mum with 4 small children, have an AssociateDiploma in Social Science(Child studies) have completed a few small CBE courses and workshops and am currently setting up Independent CBE classes and a Doula service in the Blue Mtns with Natalie Forbes Dash. My real passion and hope for future career is midwifery. I would desperately love to apply and be a successful applicant into the direct entry midwifery course at UTS. My currentsituation with 4 small children at home (only 1 at school) prevents me from applying in the next couple of years, however I'd love to know if there are any correspondence courses thatI could complete in order to put me in good stead for success in applying for the course in the future or that may give me exemptions when I do finally get there. Any ideas Thanks for your help. warmest regards Jo Hunter
Re: [ozmidwifery] SUNDAY AND MONDAY's GOOD NEWS
Dear Jan, What an absolutely fantastic few days you have had. I was so pleased to hear of the safe arrival of Rachel and Scott's little boy. I have passed on the news to the rest of the HAS committee, who are as equally overjoyed by the news. We look forward to hearing more about the birth from Rachel and Scott. For those who weren't at the Homebirth Conference in March the talk that was given by Rachel and Scott about the stillbirth of Stella, their daughter, was one of the most profoundly moving talks I have ever experienced and the courage, strength and absolute openness that they both showed left me in absolute awe of the pair of them - such incredible people and so good to hear their news. Congratulations on becoming a Grandmother again also - how many grandchildren is that now??? Wonderful news!!! Jo Hunter - Original Message - From: Jan Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 7:44 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] SUNDAY AND MONDAY's GOOD NEWS Dear List Just giving you the lowdown of what is happening in my personal life and within the expanding Maternity Coalition NSW. Sunday began at 3am with my daughter rupturing her membranes. I went over to her place to check out the baby and as nothing was happening in way of contractions we both lay down to rest for a while. My rest was not to last as my mobile rang and Scott told me that Rachel had been labouring well for a few hours and now needed me. (I am using their names as many of you may have been present at the last HBA conference when this couple presented their paper on the stillbirth of their first baby Stella, at home last year.) Rachel and Scott's baby boy, Alejandre was born through water around lunch time into the arms of both parents where he stayed until his placenta was born and gently collected (a lotus birth again, as was Stella's) Births don't come much more special than Alejandre's, and Kerrie and I were overwhelmed by being honoured to be in attendence for Rachel and Scott once again. Once the Carrea family were settled I went back to my daughter who had been holding off I'm sure. Janelaboured at home durintg the afternoon leading on to the second joyous event of the day later that evening. In the deep water of the pool at KGV/RPA Natural Birth Centre emerged my latest grand-daughter Nell Emily Robinson Zarrella, into the loving hands of her mother and father. Oh, what another marvellous feeling! So although I still felt exhausted after a night's sleep, I was elated enough to get to Camden Hospital next morning in time to sing Justine Cains' song ³Bob the Premier he can fix it!² while Bob was officially opening the new refurbished Camden hospital at 1000 h. I proudly joined with the other MC women with their babies and children who came along from the beautiful Blue Mountains (where they are trying to stop women birthing in their local hospital) and as far away at Canberra and Goulburn to support the Camden women in their efforts to be able to give birth in the beautiful Camden Birth Centre that is CLOSED TO BIRTHS! The Area administration insists women must give birth in Campbelltown some twenty minutes away! A few of the MC women got into the marquee where the official opening ceremony took place but were not allowed to take their posters inside. The rest of us were locked outside the wire fencing with Security presence standing close by as we undid the lock on the gate and tried to get in. However, I¹m sure this locking of the MC outside looked even better on the TV! Women with children and babies LOCKED OUT of the hospital opening ceremony! Our song, sung to the tune of ²Bob the Builder² drowned the Premier out throughout his speech, his tan getting tanner! A few of us went around to the back of the hospital where Bob's driver was waiting for his quick exit and we were able to wave him off with our placards in close proximity. We did not waste time around the back waiting for the Health Minister to get to his car. He is a lost cause according to the Democrats representatives who was with us. (Bob does not listen to his Health Minister as much as he does to his Treasurer, who should now be our target with the costings involved with medicalised care and midwifery care) Denise handed MC literature to all who walked out the back entrance and then we returned with the children to the front of the hospital where the rest of the women and the organiser Justine Caines and local women Joanne Westley were being interviewed by Channel Nine. Justine and Joanne made their points well. I can't say enough about the wonderfully patient babies (taking it all in for the future) and the articulate older children who fortunately were on school holidays and able to contribute to the loudness of the singing and provide great responses to some nearby school kids who called us a bunch of weirdos through their school fence. There was also a wonderful grand-mother all the way
Re: [ozmidwifery] hi there _ question regarding induction
Hi Jaqueline, I'm not a midwife, am also a mum of 4 and a consumer of homebirth. I put together a newsletter for Homebirth Access Sydney and have a fantastic birth story written by the father of a baby who was born at (by the hospitals calculations) just over 44 weeks gestation. An incredibly inspiring story that tells of the family and mother listening to her own intuition and knowledge that her baby was fine and how they resisted (with an awful amount of stress) the pressure that the hospital was putting on them. I also have alot of info about natural induction and things you can try to bring baby on before going down the hospital induction road. You can contact me offlist if you like - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers Jo - Original Message - From: Jaqueline Marwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:06 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] hi there _ question regarding induction Dear Ozmids I have only once introduced myself to the list, for months I have been a silent member and I wish to thank you all for the edifying messages that I have been reading from you. My name is Jaqueline, I am not a midwife, I am a mum of an 18 months old baby and I am very clingy onto him ;)) I am a native of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil living in sunny Perth. I also have the privilege of being a friend of Ricardo Jones and I appreciate the important role he plays in Brazil as the odd one out who is a male doctor and battles for the rights of us, women. I wish to take this opportunity to ask for an advice regarding my new baby. I am now 40 weeks pregnant, my EDD is tomorrow and today my doctor said he would like to induce me if I don't go into labour by the weekend. His reason is that he claims my baby is already too big. I still didn't understand what's wrong with having a big baby. With my first baby I was induced being 9 days overdue and I didn't have a good experience. I was put on a drip that made me feel shaky and unable to move, with violent contractions that felt artificial, unable to embrace my baby as soon as he was born, etc. This time I have been much more aware and reading Andrea Robertson's book on Preparing for Birth and reading Michel Odent's Entering the world, and I have been well endoctrinated towards what is the best for my baby and myself. It is my dream to have a natural birth, to give birth in the best way for my baby and to feel a bit more in control, rather than shaking due to drugs. My baby is beautifully engaged and I am effaced, I am big at the moment but I feel great physically and emotionally. I have the full support of my husband at all times. My first baby was born 4 kilos and 130 grams, and my doctor says this one will be as big. I think this is wonderful to have a big baby. Well, it turned out he is a little guy now hehe, he is very picky when it comes to eating. I asked my doctor if he is concerned because I am 38 years old and he said age is not the problem, but the size of the baby. I still don't understand why. I never had high blood pressure or gestational diabetes, there is plenty of amniotic fluid in my uterus I did put on almost 18 kilos this time but I am a healthy person. I must say that my doctor is NOT into caesarian births, in fact he is not even an obstetrician, he is a GP who is the most popular in my area for assisting over 40 births per month. I would like to ask how far should I resist the doctor's idea of induction. In other words, how far should I wait until I would have to be induced? Thanks in advance Jackie -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] petition
If it were between hospital and unassisted homebirth - unassisted homebirth would win hands down.I know many who feel the same! Jo - Original Message - From: Karen Arthur To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 1:47 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] petition Yep, if I had no other choice I would birth at home, unassisted. Hubby would never agree to that one - just as well we've stopped having kids! Karen -Original Message-From: Rhonda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Sunday, 29 September 2002 11:08 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] petition "reducing the options for women will in fact make them see home birth as a greater alternative (although we don't think this as a bad thing) but we have said that with the currentcrisis with mw insurance that women will try and birth at home unattended (not likely to happen) but the hospital wouldn't want to be associated with this situation." I don't think you are that far out - if put in the possition where I did not have access to a mw and or birth center - my only option would be to go through the hospital care and then birth at home unattended. Would probably say - Oh - didn't make it in time or something like that. I know other women who would do the same thing too. As time goes on this is likely to become a more common alternative. How many of the births at home who claim not to make it to the hospital are actually "unattended home births." Makes you wonder doesn't it. Rhonda. NB: It seems to me to be highlyimportant not to close the options of women who have had a c/s as they are probably more in need of support and open options or what will happen is either they will birth at home / assisted or unassisted or they will stop. I know many women with one child who are too scared to have a second because they had a c/s. Obs are putting themselves out of work! The birth rate is dropping instead of increasing - probably due to fear of the knife and obstetric intervention. As far as I can see anyway. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[ozmidwifery] Support East Timorese midwives
- Original Message - From: jo hunter To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:25 PM Subject: Support East Timorese midwives Hi all, I subscribed to the list about a week ago and have enjoyed reading your discussions from the sidelines. What a wonderful forum to exchange and educate! My name is Jo Hunter, I coordinate Homebirth Access Sydney (HAS), have 4 children under 6 years - 3 of whom were born at home, I am currently educating myself a little further so that I may commence teaching active birth classes in The Blue Mountains and I have worked as a doula. Congratulations to everyone who have worked so hard to launch the NMAP... I speak with so many women who say that if it wasn't for the cost (to them personally) they wouldbirth their babies at home. I am writing to pass on a message that has been fwd to me by Maggie L-T regarding an event that has been organised in Brisbane to raise money for East Timorese midwives. You are invited to a Masked party in Brisbane to raise funds for East Timorese midwives.Venue: Bardon community hall, Simpsons Rd Bardon on Bowman Pk.Time: 8pmDate: 5th Oct, SaturdayDress: Mask + casual, preferably Asian and colourfulTo bring: $15 + small plate of food + BYOGEntertainment: Kransky sisters, Alison St. Ledger, Margret RoadKnight, Moto-Jap drumming, Micki Finn-African drumming,The firedance production co. Songlines choir. Here is a bit of background informationregarding the situation these midwives find themselves in - During the uprising in Dili, a group of midwives lost their clinic as it was gutted by the militia. Moris Foun, their clinic, has since been reconstructed by volunteers, but has very little equipment. To obtain equipment, as they are a non government organization, they need to have funds raised . Also, the midwives don't receive a wage. A group called the Asia Pacific Supportive Collective, formed to supportsmall non government organizations in East Timor and sanctioned by KirstySword-Guzmao, will be handling the raised funds, forming the link to themidwives. At present both perinatal and maternal mortality rates are very high: 135 in 1000 neonates die in a period up to 1 year, and 8.5 in 1000 mothers aredying. There has already been a big box of catheters, gloves etc. sent over to East Timor.It's really a sad plight up there, so hopefully this little bit will help. So if you live in Brisbane, try to get a group of freinds together. it sounds like it will be alot of fun.the organisers have accrued a great cast for the event. Thanks and 'hi' Jo
