Re: [ozmidwifery] Gastro suckening
Hi Kristin, Can you post this message to the new list, please. That way everyone gets to read it. The email address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. Kim - Kim Hunter List Admin http://www.birthinternational.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kristin Beckedahl wrote: Is it *routine* to put a tube down bubs throat/oesphagus? after a CS to remove mucous otherwise expelled naturally with a vaginal birth? Just seeing a trend in refluxy bubs with CS..? Find what you need when you need it at yellow.com.au http://g.msn.com/8HMBENAU/2752??PS=47575 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Any volunteers for a survey?
Hi Listers, Are there any midwives on the list who could spare 15 mins-1/2 hour to fill out a survey on issues affecting midwives today? We can do it via email or phone, I don't mind. My email is spahl at pobox dot une dot edu dot au Cheers, Sam. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Any volunteers for a survey?
I'm up for it Sam, will email you off list. Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Any volunteers for a survey? Hi Listers, Are there any midwives on the list who could spare 15 mins-1/2 hour to fill out a survey on issues affecting midwives today? We can do it via email or phone, I don't mind. My email is spahl at pobox dot une dot edu dot au Cheers, Sam. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Any volunteers for a survey?
What is the survey for?? Di - Original Message - From: Lisa Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Any volunteers for a survey? I'm up for it Sam, will email you off list. Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Any volunteers for a survey? Hi Listers, Are there any midwives on the list who could spare 15 mins-1/2 hour to fill out a survey on issues affecting midwives today? We can do it via email or phone, I don't mind. My email is spahl at pobox dot une dot edu dot au Cheers, Sam. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 2080 (20070225) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Any volunteers for a survey?
Happy to help Sue - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Any volunteers for a survey? Hi Listers, Are there any midwives on the list who could spare 15 mins-1/2 hour to fill out a survey on issues affecting midwives today? We can do it via email or phone, I don't mind. My email is spahl at pobox dot une dot edu dot au Cheers, Sam. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.15/728 - Release Date: 20/03/2007 8:07 AM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Reminder: Ozmid list has a new address
Hi all, In case you either don't know yet, or have forgotten, the ozmidwifery list has moved. The new email address for the list is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't forget to update your address books. There are a few people still emailing the old list is reply to emails that were sent to the new list, which no doubt will be confusing people. As I have had problems cancelling the old email address, I will be unsubscribing everyone from the old list, so if you receive a bounce message check the address you are using. As always, don't hesitate to contact me if you have any questions. Regards Kim PS. I've had a few email issues over the past few weeks, so if you've emailed and had not reply, can you let me know. I may not have received your email. Thanks. -- - Kim Hunter Step Two Designs Pty Ltd Intranets / Usability / Information Architecture / Knowledge Management / Content Management http://www.steptwo.com.au/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Any volunteers for a survey?
Thank you to all the lovely people who offered to help (on and off list), I have found a volunteer. Thanks, Sam. Happy to help Sue - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Any volunteers for a survey? Hi Listers, Are there any midwives on the list who could spare 15 mins-1/2 hour to fill out a survey on issues affecting midwives today? We can do it via email or phone, I don't mind. My email is spahl at pobox dot une dot edu dot au Cheers, Sam. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.15/728 - Release Date: 20/03/2007 8:07 AM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Any volunteers for a survey?
I am happy to fill out your survey my email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Any volunteers for a survey? Hi Listers, Are there any midwives on the list who could spare 15 mins-1/2 hour to fill out a survey on issues affecting midwives today? We can do it via email or phone, I don't mind. My email is spahl at pobox dot une dot edu dot au Cheers, Sam. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.15/728 - Release Date: 20/03/2007 8:07 AM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] article FYI
New Findings Support Fetal Overnutrition Hypothesis Reuters Health Information 2007. © 2007 Reuters Ltd. NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Feb 28 - Findings from an epidemiologic study lend further support to the fetal overnutrition hypothesis: subjects overexposed to glucose, free fatty acids, and amino acids in utero are at increased risk for obesity later in life. According to this hypothesis, it is the mother's weight status that determines the degree of fetal overnutrition. Thus, the hypothesis helps explain why obesity is often passed from parent to offspring. In the present study, reported in the February 15th issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology, Dr. Debbie A. Lawlor and colleagues correlated the maternal body mass index (BMI) with offspring BMI in 3340 parent-offspring trios drawn from an Australian birth cohort. Maternal BMI was assessed at the first antenatal clinic visit and offspring BMI was determined at age 14. In addition, paternal BMI was calculated from the mother's report of the father's height and weight. The offspring's BMI was more closely linked to the mother's BMI than the father's, Dr. Lawlor, from the University of Bristol in the UK, and colleagues note. For a one-standard-deviation increase in maternal and paternal BMI, offspring BMI increased by 0.362 and 0.239 standard deviations. There is currently an epidemic of obesity in Western societies, the authors conclude. The potential importance of the suggestion, from our study, that greater maternal size during pregnancy, either through programming of neuroendocrine pathways or through epigenetic or other mechanisms, results in greater offspring BMI in later life means that this issue warrants further investigation. Am J Epidemiol 2007;165:418-424. Leanne Wynne Midwife in charge of Women's Business Mildura Aboriginal Health Service Mob 0418 371862 _ Advertisement: Your Future Starts Here. Dream it? Then be it! Find it at www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Ask%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext_t=754951090_r=seek_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] article FYI
Thanks Leanne - I'll pass this on via Communique Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 20 Mar, 2007, at 15:36, leanne wynne wrote: New Findings Support Fetal Overnutrition Hypothesis Reuters Health Information 2007. © 2007 Reuters Ltd. NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Feb 28 - Findings from an epidemiologic study lend further support to the fetal overnutrition hypothesis: subjects overexposed to glucose, free fatty acids, and amino acids in utero are at increased risk for obesity later in life. According to this hypothesis, it is the mother's weight status that determines the degree of fetal overnutrition. Thus, the hypothesis helps explain why obesity is often passed from parent to offspring. In the present study, reported in the February 15th issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology, Dr. Debbie A. Lawlor and colleagues correlated the maternal body mass index (BMI) with offspring BMI in 3340 parent-offspring trios drawn from an Australian birth cohort. Maternal BMI was assessed at the first antenatal clinic visit and offspring BMI was determined at age 14. In addition, paternal BMI was calculated from the mother's report of the father's height and weight. The offspring's BMI was more closely linked to the mother's BMI than the father's, Dr. Lawlor, from the University of Bristol in the UK, and colleagues note. For a one-standard-deviation increase in maternal and paternal BMI, offspring BMI increased by 0.362 and 0.239 standard deviations. There is currently an epidemic of obesity in Western societies, the authors conclude. The potential importance of the suggestion, from our study, that greater maternal size during pregnancy, either through programming of neuroendocrine pathways or through epigenetic or other mechanisms, results in greater offspring BMI in later life means that this issue warrants further investigation. Am J Epidemiol 2007;165:418-424. Leanne Wynne Midwife in charge of Women's Business Mildura Aboriginal Health Service Mob 0418 371862 _ Advertisement: Your Future Starts Here. Dream it? Then be it! Find it at www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx? URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3As k%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext_t=754951090_r=seek_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] hippies
I can think of one consummate 'hippy' at least that I would be proud to be classified with - Ina May Gaskin! Kelly - you may not dress like a hippy but you sure sound like one - and I mean that as a compliment :-) The 'hippies' gave us much more than psychedelic drugs, great music and colorful clothes, they gave us the idea of challenging, changing and trying to improve the world. Long live hippies I say! Love and peace, Sue (who is old enough to have worn flowers in her hair, maybe not any more, but still a hippy at heart)
Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations - courses?
So Andrea, if the cert 4 isn't being offered through B.I do you know of, or can you recommend a teaching course (ie. how to teach the teacher) suitable for midwives to undertake? I have seen a few around but look to me to be more doula focused/orientated. Or maybe there is a university that you are aware of that has a basic nurse educator course...? I am looking for something that will give me adequate skills to go ahead with active birth classes and other classes :) Blessings, Rachael GentleBirth Pregnancy and Birth Education Rachael Austin Midwife and Independent Childbirth Educator Ph: (07) 49 931 213 Fax: (07) 49 931 341 Mob: 0419750 780 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gentlebirth.com.au Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. Linda Hessel - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations - courses? Hello Rachael, As the provider of the Graduate Diploma in Childbirth Education I can confirm that it is no longer being offered. However, all is not lost! Birth International is the only Registered Training Organisation (an Australian Government Accredited training provider) in this field, and we are acutely aware that there needs to be a course that will provide educators, both those already working in this area and those wanting to set up programs, with a recognised qualification. At present we are working on a Certificate IV in Childbirth Education, which we expect to launch around mid year. This will be a program of around 350 hours of study, with attendance at a 4 day workshop and an exam. For those with midwifery qualifications, there will be a number of exemptions that will enable the Course to be completed in a few months rather than the nominal year it will take those starting from scratch with no other health related qualifications. It will take less time and cost less money than the Grad Dip, yet incorporate all of the basic skills that the longer course has offered. As soon as we have the details finalised, and the proposed course registered with VETAB, we will be able to begin taking students. I would anticipate the first workshop to be scheduled for around August, 2007. I will make an announcement on this list when the details are on the website and registrations are open. I hope that you do decide to follow your plan to become involved in prenatal education. I am convinced that with better skills and background knowledge parents will be better able to make those important decisions that will determine the outcome of their birth. I am also convinced that educators need training to be able to assist parents develop those skills, and offering a series of lectures (in the style of most classes) is neither appropriate educational practise or effective in terms of achieving its goals. Quality training is the answer, plus plenty of practise, and we hope to be playing a role in both. Good luck with your future plans, Andrea At 03:33 PM 11/01/2007, you wrote: I'm emailing again because I don't think the email I wrote yesterday went through? At least I didn't get it on my computer. To help me deal with my frustrations, so to speak, I am contemplating doing some more study so that I can do some independent antenatal education. I would love some advice and guidance from the wise ladies/men on this list please. A bit of history about me. I live rurally and have a 6 week oldbaby and a 3y.o, and I am tandem breastfeeding them. I would prefer something that I could study from home, but am prepared to travel if necessary. I have found these courses, but would like to know what else is available, so that I can enrol in the best or most suitable course for me at this stage in my life. As far as I'm aware there is no one who does independent childbirth education in any form in this district or surrounding districts, so I'd have potential to start a business, at least one that is child friendly and I can pick and choose my own hours..oh and no one staff politics!. Like many of you have said working in a hospital setting no longer appeals to me whatsoever. I'd love to work with a MIPP to gain experience as I've only not long graduated my GD of midwifery, but there is no one around this area as I said before., so to make the most of my suitation i think this is a good idea...So tell me what courses are there avaibable, what courses/studies have you done? These are the ones I've looked into. Graduate Diploma in Childbirth Education (not available as far as I'm aware) Master of Midwifery. Hypnobirthing
Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations - courses?
Hi and thanks Alesa, I have just looked up the CBE course from www.birthinternational.com it seems ok... though probably a bit basic? Will look into it a bit further anyway! :) Kindness, Rachael GentleBirth Pregnancy and Birth Education Rachael Austin Midwife and Independent Childbirth Educator Ph: (07) 49 931 213 Fax: (07) 49 931 341 Mob: 0419750 780 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gentlebirth.com.au Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. Linda Hessel - Original Message - From: Alesa Koziol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations - courses? Hi Rachael If you are particularly seeking a Cert IV in assessment and training most TAFE colleges around the country offer this course Cheers Alesa Alesa Koziol Clinical Midwifery Educator Melbourne - Original Message - From: Rachael Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations - courses? So Andrea, if the cert 4 isn't being offered through B.I do you know of, or can you recommend a teaching course (ie. how to teach the teacher) suitable for midwives to undertake? I have seen a few around but look to me to be more doula focused/orientated. Or maybe there is a university that you are aware of that has a basic nurse educator course...? I am looking for something that will give me adequate skills to go ahead with active birth classes and other classes :) Blessings, Rachael GentleBirth Pregnancy and Birth Education Rachael Austin Midwife and Independent Childbirth Educator Ph: (07) 49 931 213 Fax: (07) 49 931 341 Mob: 0419750 780 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gentlebirth.com.au Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. Linda Hessel - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations - courses? Hello Rachael, As the provider of the Graduate Diploma in Childbirth Education I can confirm that it is no longer being offered. However, all is not lost! Birth International is the only Registered Training Organisation (an Australian Government Accredited training provider) in this field, and we are acutely aware that there needs to be a course that will provide educators, both those already working in this area and those wanting to set up programs, with a recognised qualification. At present we are working on a Certificate IV in Childbirth Education, which we expect to launch around mid year. This will be a program of around 350 hours of study, with attendance at a 4 day workshop and an exam. For those with midwifery qualifications, there will be a number of exemptions that will enable the Course to be completed in a few months rather than the nominal year it will take those starting from scratch with no other health related qualifications. It will take less time and cost less money than the Grad Dip, yet incorporate all of the basic skills that the longer course has offered. As soon as we have the details finalised, and the proposed course registered with VETAB, we will be able to begin taking students. I would anticipate the first workshop to be scheduled for around August, 2007. I will make an announcement on this list when the details are on the website and registrations are open. I hope that you do decide to follow your plan to become involved in prenatal education. I am convinced that with better skills and background knowledge parents will be better able to make those important decisions that will determine the outcome of their birth. I am also convinced that educators need training to be able to assist parents develop those skills, and offering a series of lectures (in the style of most classes) is neither appropriate educational practise or effective in terms of achieving its goals. Quality training is the answer, plus plenty of practise, and we hope to be playing a role in both. Good luck with your future plans, Andrea At 03:33 PM 11/01/2007, you wrote: I'm emailing again because I don't think the email I wrote yesterday went through? At least I didn't get it on my computer. To help me deal with my frustrations, so to speak, I am contemplating
[ozmidwifery] C/S increasing Bierhrate
Dear All Research to Remember ~~ Researchers at Aberdeen University Medical School in Scotland found, in a 17 year long study of more than 25,000 women, that those who had had a caesarean were less likely to have another baby, and that those who did waited longer than mothers who had vaginal births. The researchers also found that the women who had a caesarean were also more likely to have an ectopic pregnancy the next time. ~ BJOG August 2005, 112(8): 1061. An interesting piece of research for politicians!! Denise Hynd Can afford, we as a species to be born and to give birth dispassionately ? Dr Sarah J Buckley p 35 'Gentle Birth, Gentle Mothering' (2005)
Re: [ozmidwifery] Background Breifing today
Dear Rachel Every letter and statement of fact is also contributing to the drops of information that may turn into a torrent and break the walls of ignorance down so do not stop Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Rachael Austin To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Background Breifing today Great reply!! It makes me so mad when the facts are ill presented. It is no wonder women enter into pregnancy with some truely warped ideas. I have written into many tv shows when they talk about the positives and negatives of breastfeeding (like there are really negatives???) and csect birth vs vaginal birth. Mainly, it is like hitting my head against a brick wall...but it makes me feel better. GentleBirth Pregnancy and Birth Education Rachael Austin Midwife and Independent Childbirth Educator Ph: (07) 49 931 213 Fax: (07) 49 931 341 Mob: 0419750 780 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gentlebirth.com.au Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. Linda Hessel - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:19 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Background Breifing today Dear All Another uninformed program on Radio National Background Briefing today supposedly about increasing patient responsibility Please if you heard it send them an email at http://www.abc.net.au/rn/backgroundbriefing/contact/ Here is mine and their phone number is on the same web address so you can phone them also Dear background Briefing I was so disappointed by your example of innovative maternity services! Research here and overseas has repeatedly shown that private maternity care is costly on all levels as it results in higher rates of intervention in child birth with subsequent higher rates of problems with breastfeeding and post-natal depression, compared to vaginal birth. Please explain how the hotel based post-natal care you presented is an example of increased self-responsibity on the part of women,as your title suggests? Again evidence shows this happens with continuity of a known carer, for example as in New Zealand with their national Lead Maternity Carer arrangements! Australian maternity services with about 250,000 birth per year and more than 30% of these ending in Caesarean section accounts for a huge proportion of the national health budget. Many consumer groups under the umbrella of Maternity Coalition (www.maternitycoalition.org.au) and the Australian College of Midwives (www.midwives.org.au) have been lobbying all governments to allow women access to primary midwifery options of care! Please if you really do want to consider patient responsibility in maternity care talk to the President of Maternity Coalition Justine Caines (02) 6545 3612. Thank you Denise Hynd Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes __ NOD32 2099 (20070306) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/717 - Release Date: 10/03/2007 2:25 PM
[ozmidwifery] Background Breifing today
Dear All Another uninformed program on Radio National Background Briefing today supposedly about increasing patient responsibility Please if you heard it send them an email at http://www.abc.net.au/rn/backgroundbriefing/contact/ Here is mine and their phone number is on the same web address so you can phone them also Dear background Briefing I was so disappointed by your example of innovative maternity services! Research here and overseas has repeatedly shown that private maternity care is costly on all levels as it results in higher rates of intervention in child birth with subsequent higher rates of problems with breastfeeding and post-natal depression, compared to vaginal birth. Please explain how the hotel based post-natal care you presented is an example of increased self-responsibity on the part of women,as your title suggests? Again evidence shows this happens with continuity of a known carer, for example as in New Zealand with their national Lead Maternity Carer arrangements! Australian maternity services with about 250,000 birth per year and more than 30% of these ending in Caesarean section accounts for a huge proportion of the national health budget. Many consumer groups under the umbrella of Maternity Coalition (www.maternitycoalition.org.au) and the Australian College of Midwives (www.midwives.org.au) have been lobbying all governments to allow women access to primary midwifery options of care! Please if you really do want to consider patient responsibility in maternity care talk to the President of Maternity Coalition Justine Caines (02) 6545 3612. Thank you Denise Hynd Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes
Re: [ozmidwifery] Background Breifing today
Great reply!! It makes me so mad when the facts are ill presented. It is no wonder women enter into pregnancy with some truely warped ideas. I have written into many tv shows when they talk about the positives and negatives of breastfeeding (like there are really negatives???) and csect birth vs vaginal birth. Mainly, it is like hitting my head against a brick wall...but it makes me feel better. GentleBirth Pregnancy and Birth Education Rachael Austin Midwife and Independent Childbirth Educator Ph: (07) 49 931 213 Fax: (07) 49 931 341 Mob: 0419750 780 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gentlebirth.com.au Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. Linda Hessel - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:19 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Background Breifing today Dear All Another uninformed program on Radio National Background Briefing today supposedly about increasing patient responsibility Please if you heard it send them an email at http://www.abc.net.au/rn/backgroundbriefing/contact/ Here is mine and their phone number is on the same web address so you can phone them also Dear background Briefing I was so disappointed by your example of innovative maternity services! Research here and overseas has repeatedly shown that private maternity care is costly on all levels as it results in higher rates of intervention in child birth with subsequent higher rates of problems with breastfeeding and post-natal depression, compared to vaginal birth. Please explain how the hotel based post-natal care you presented is an example of increased self-responsibity on the part of women,as your title suggests? Again evidence shows this happens with continuity of a known carer, for example as in New Zealand with their national Lead Maternity Carer arrangements! Australian maternity services with about 250,000 birth per year and more than 30% of these ending in Caesarean section accounts for a huge proportion of the national health budget. Many consumer groups under the umbrella of Maternity Coalition (www.maternitycoalition.org.au) and the Australian College of Midwives (www.midwives.org.au) have been lobbying all governments to allow women access to primary midwifery options of care! Please if you really do want to consider patient responsibility in maternity care talk to the President of Maternity Coalition Justine Caines (02) 6545 3612. Thank you Denise Hynd Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes __ NOD32 2099 (20070306) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
RE: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai
Lisa Thank you for that. If you could get me your friend's details then that would be great. Many thanks Debbie _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lisa chalmers Sent: Monday, 5 March 2007 7:18 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai Hi Debbie I have a doula friend from the UK that goes between there and the Dubai. If you want her details let me know and I'll pass them on. The doulas in the UK also had a request recently, and several other options came up. I can get those details too if you need them. From what I know, birthing women in Dubai need a lot of support. Home birth is illegal as janet says, but it still happens and theni its almost impossible to get a birth certifucate. Lisa (australiandoulas) - Original Message - From: Janet at home mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai Hi Homebirth is illegal in Dubai. Everyone births in hospital with their own surgeon. A friend of mine came home from there to have a homebirth over here. I can put you in touch with her, if you like. J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Slater Sent: Monday, 5 March 2007 5:13 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai Does anyone know what the situation is in terms of getting a homebirth in Dubai? Failing that, does anyone know of any midwives/doulas in Dubai who may have information? Many thanks Debbie Slater Perth, WA
RE: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai
Hi Homebirth is illegal in Dubai. Everyone births in hospital with their own surgeon. A friend of mine came home from there to have a homebirth over here. I can put you in touch with her, if you like. J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Slater Sent: Monday, 5 March 2007 5:13 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai Does anyone know what the situation is in terms of getting a homebirth in Dubai? Failing that, does anyone know of any midwives/doulas in Dubai who may have information? Many thanks Debbie Slater Perth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai
Hi Debbie I have a doula friend from the UK that goes between there and the Dubai. If you want her details let me know and I'll pass them on. The doulas in the UK also had a request recently, and several other options came up. I can get those details too if you need them. From what I know, birthing women in Dubai need a lot of support. Home birth is illegal as janet says, but it still happens and theni its almost impossible to get a birth certifucate. Lisa (australiandoulas) - Original Message - From: Janet at home To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai Hi Homebirth is illegal in Dubai. Everyone births in hospital with their own surgeon. A friend of mine came home from there to have a homebirth over here. I can put you in touch with her, if you like. J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Slater Sent: Monday, 5 March 2007 5:13 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai Does anyone know what the situation is in terms of getting a homebirth in Dubai? Failing that, does anyone know of any midwives/doulas in Dubai who may have information? Many thanks Debbie Slater Perth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai
This resource was recommended for contacts, I had a quick look and it looks pretty good! http://www.expatmum.com/vbulletin/search.php?s=2fc049854f0ffb9f669d03361943831aaction=showresultssearchid=613271sortby=lastpostsortorder=descending - Original Message - From: Janet at home To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai Hi Homebirth is illegal in Dubai. Everyone births in hospital with their own surgeon. A friend of mine came home from there to have a homebirth over here. I can put you in touch with her, if you like. J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Slater Sent: Monday, 5 March 2007 5:13 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai Does anyone know what the situation is in terms of getting a homebirth in Dubai? Failing that, does anyone know of any midwives/doulas in Dubai who may have information? Many thanks Debbie Slater Perth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai
Illegal or simply not commonly practiced? I was told when I first moved to Singapore 10 years ago that homebirth was illegal. The reality was that it was just never seen and there were no midwives so no support for women who wanted to have a homebirth. That situation has now changed as more women are now aware that homebirth is an option. My understanding is that there is no country where homebirth is illegal. Practicing midwifery without a licence, or without insurance, can certainly be legally managed, but how would the authorities ever monitor the women having homebirths? Think of those women who have their babies at home unintended. One of our students is based in Dubai - Patty Ghaly. She is studying as a doula and may have more information on the options available in Dubai. If you would like her contact details Debbie, please contact me offlist and I can pass them on. Nikki Macfarlane Childbirth International [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ozmidwifery] hbac/vbac
Hi, A member of JB has put together her HBAC and her VBAC in an easy to compare format. Makes for very interesting reading indeed! Just thought I'd share. : ) J http://www.joyousbirth.info/articles/hospital-home-comparison.html For homebirth information go to: http://www.joyousbirth.info/ Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai
I wonder about the 'legality' of it too..if I had a dollar for every time I was told it was illegal to have your baby at home in Australia, geez, I'd be looking at some serious cash now! On 05/03/2007, at 10:22 PM, Nikki old wrote: Illegal or simply not commonly practiced? I was told when I first moved to Singapore 10 years ago that homebirth was illegal. The reality was that it was just never seen and there were no midwives so no support for women who wanted to have a homebirth. That situation has now changed as more women are now aware that homebirth is an option. My understanding is that there is no country where homebirth is illegal. Practicing midwifery without a licence, or without insurance, can certainly be legally managed, but how would the authorities ever monitor the women having homebirths? Think of those women who have their babies at home unintended. One of our students is based in Dubai - Patty Ghaly. She is studying as a doula and may have more information on the options available in Dubai. If you would like her contact details Debbie, please contact me offlist and I can pass them on. Nikki Macfarlane Childbirth International [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Privately funded birth centres
Dear Kate Are you in WA I can put you in touch with various people who can give you some background to the closure of Swan and Mandurah birth Centres here is my off list contact Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Kate reynolds To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:28 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Privately funded birth centres Hi all, Can anyone tell me whether there are any privately funded birth centres in Australia? If there is, who manages the births and how are the clients billed? Are they shared care with GP/OBs and do the Drs still attend and therefore bill for the birth? Or are the GP/Obs paid an on-call fee just in case??? Can anyone also tell me exactly why the Swan Districts and Mandurah Birth Centres in WA were closed? Cheers, kate -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 5/03/2007 9:41 AM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Privately funded birth centres
Hi Kate I must have missed the first post here - just got Denise's reply. I was one of the Swan Districts Birth Centre team when it began. The reasons given for it's eventual closure were many and varied but boiled down to: Insufficient consumer use- this was sad and I'm sure that had there been greater public demand/awareness we might still be in business. Those that used our FBC loved it, but our exclusion and transfer criteria policies meant a high transfer-out rate, also just the one room meant that if 2 FBC ladies were labouring at the same time it was 'first come first serve'. A large proportion of transfers were for this reason. So our numbers were only about 70 births per year, but we handled all of the ante-natal care for those who chose FBC or our GP/MW Public ANC option. Expense, and what was seen (by management) as waste of resources in use of experienced midwives, sometimes 'doubling-up' of services i.e. home visiting, childbirth classes. cars, mobile phones (Oh the trouble we had trying to get more than ONE mobile phone in the beginning!!) We were also on a higher wage scale to allow for the unsociable hours of on-call and nights. Difficulty in recruiting midwives to the system of on-call within a team of only 3 midwives, trying to recruit from within staff already employed, many of whom were not interested in this sort of work/system. It was hard to take time off when ther was no one to relieve! I worked for the fist 18 months without a holiday because there were no replacements - also meant you could not be sick! Pressure from the Obs who did not approve and who were not willing to 'pick up the disasters that the m/w's and GP's could not handle' - never have been 'team players' our guys!! And basically and bottom line (IMHO) was that it was established after sitting empty for many years while fighting to overcome the objections to its use (a bit like our bath on labour ward is right now - still not allowed to use the blessed thing - 6 months down and counting!!) and that management never really wanted it to succeed, we were under threat of closure almost from the first birth. They want to run an obstetric unit and have no place for GP or midwifery-led options - despite all they say to the contrary. We fought long and hard, and tried some different options to overcome the above issues but eventually lost our unit, and sadly our lovely GPs, most of whom no longer have any outlet to practice obstetrics at all which is a great loss to our local women. The FBC is now used as the doctors' private flat for when they are here on their 24hour (highly lucrative) stints. For a while we were able to use it as a private place to care for women/families undergoing pregnancy loss, the doctor on duty would move out and these families really appreciated this service. However the Obs have even taken this away and refuse to go sleep anywhere else when the situation occurs, even though there are very acceptable alternatives open to them. I for one still mourn its loss - although have to say that it was by no means a 'perfect' system and there are many better ways to organise mid-led care. Met one of 'my' FBC mums and 11 year-old boy last week, she was visiting a friend and new bub, and I still remembered her name, her son's name and her surname (for me quite amazing as I have a big problem with names:-)) even remembered where she had lived! That was the difference - we really knew our FBC ladies and had a good time with them and their births. As for Mandurah - I have no idea but would imagine a similar story - anyone out there who was part of that team? Regards Sue PS email off list if you want more details [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Privately funded birth centres Dear Kate Are you in WA I can put you in touch with various people who can give you some background to the closure of Swan and Mandurah birth Centres here is my off list contact Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Kate reynolds To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:28 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Privately funded birth centres Hi all, Can anyone tell me whether there are any privately funded birth centres in Australia? If there is, who manages the births and how are the clients billed? Are they shared care with GP/OBs and do the Drs still attend and therefore bill for the birth? Or are the GP/Obs paid an on-call fee just in case??? Can anyone also tell me exactly why the Swan Districts and Mandurah Birth Centres
[ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai
Does anyone know what the situation is in terms of getting a homebirth in Dubai? Failing that, does anyone know of any midwives/doulas in Dubai who may have information? Many thanks Debbie Slater Perth, WA
[ozmidwifery] Privately funded birth centres
Hi all, Can anyone tell me whether there are any privately funded birth centres in Australia? If there is, who manages the births and how are the clients billed? Are they shared care with GP/OBs and do the Drs still attend and therefore bill for the birth? Or are the GP/Obs paid an on-call fee just in case??? Can anyone also tell me exactly why the Swan Districts and Mandurah Birth Centres in WA were closed? Cheers, kate
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maternity coalition
straight back at ya on the Tone Justine. there are more than just you and yours working to enhance midwifery ( even if MC is a consumer organization not a midwifery one) . I too put in hours of unpaid work ( not tax deductible) on top of my paid midwifery work and even though I only have 4 children not 6 I'm sure you can appreciate we are all in a similar position when it comes to families. I have been involved MC and have been involved through infosheets as I'm sure you well know. However you seem to be under the impression that no questioning on this subject is allowed I am also well aware of your tract record Justine and you are making this unnecessarily personal I wasn't for one minute questioning anyone's integrity. I was under the impression that the quote was written by someone active in the MC of course I could be wrong I wouldn't embarrass them any further even if they were. If we all work together we can effectively lobby for systemic change whilst we support and empower women through individual advocacy. I agree, all of us doing what we believe to be the right thing. Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maternity coalition Dear All Jo and Deb, thanks for your respones. Lisa I am sorry you are unaware of what MC does. Just so you know. I have 15 years experience as an advocate and lobbyist and post graduate qualifications in the field. Advocacy and lobbying are co-dependent. In fact when MC sets up a local branch or group and engages in lobbying we must have local women who want us to advocate for them personally (or local health authorities will most often respond by saying there is no demand. In your message you said: This is something I read on a public forum about the MC, Lobbying is a pretty dispassionate job and advocacy work can get in the way of effective lobbying I would be surprised if this came from an active MCer, more likely someone who did not know or appreciate what we do. I find lobbying very challenging and advocacy essential to keep us relevant and representative. MC needs a diverse range of people to support the many facets of its work. \ Lisa for the record. I had one baby when I joined MC 7 years ago. I know have 6! I am acutely aware of the challenges of volunteer community work whilst raising a family. Unlike midwives, this is not my profession, I cannot claim tax deductions for attending conferences etc. I am seriously considering lobbying/ providing media advice for money! It would be nice to receive a supportive even if enquiring e-mail Lisa. Your tone is not welcoming to those who have given so much to the enhancement of midwifery in Australia. In solidarity Justine Caines National President Maternity Coalition Inc PO Box 625 SCONE NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65453612 Fax: (02)65482902 Mob: 0408 210273 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.maternitycoalition.org.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maternity coalition
Can I just say that it would be terrible if this thread deteriorated yet again into a personal slinging match. Please can we all keep in our minds and our hearts that we are all doing what we can, with the time we have, to further the cause and help women...making comments on people's tone is not in my honest opinion called for, or constructive. A lovely friend of mine, one of the wisest women I know, has talked with me about the email thing and the problems that we as women in particular, encounter with it. Her take on it, and I agree wholeheartedly is that we must keep in mind that it was invented by blokes, and that it has no ability to convey the subtlety of emotion that we often use to soften or round off our comments. Its purpose initially was probably for the sharing of meeting minutes, and the like. We don't talk like that, we don't communicate like that, and when we attempt to use a medium that doesn't have the features we need to put across the whole of the message, not just the words, then something within that message can be lost. Please, please, can we keep our own agendas out of this. I have been a member of birth support and information groups for nearly 10 years and for the most part, it has been smooth sailing. I still don't have a handle on what the MC really does, even though I've been a member for sometime, and our consumer groups have been members. That doesn't mean I'm not interested, or supportive. It means I'm uninformed, and I thought for a minute there, with this thread, that I might become a bit more informed. This is a public list. Christopher Cain and other presidents of the AMA would be laughing their heads off if they were aware of the bitching and internal back biting that goes on between us all. As I've said before, with us behaving like this, they have nothing to worry about. Tania x -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/707 - Release Date: 1/03/2007 2:43 PM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maternity coalition
Here here Tania. I don't know what is going on in other states regarding birth support groups, in whatever role or title, but maybe an explanation of what we have in SA might be helpful, in return I would love to hear about everyone else. SA has a lovely history of birth groups. Those on the list who know more than me about it, please add. We have the Homebirth Network which has been going for many many years, anyone in SA know how long? Many moons ago, we had MAMA (?), Mums and Midwives working together, I believe they successfully lobbied for a birth centre at one of our large teaching hospitals. This group is now part of our history. Name escapes me, but we have a group for our Ind Midwives too. Help on that one? CARES, a caesarean support group, established over 8 years ago by Jo, Caroline and Emma. Going strong and doing amazing work. Birth Matters, also established over 8 years ago. BM sees itself as a generic support group, they provide the information so as choice is available. Maternity Coalition, established a few years, more low key here. Our groups are well established and continue to function together as needed. When we join forces so to speak, we go under the title of The Birth Networks of SA or similar. A number of the women in these groups wear many hats, and work very hard for the cause. Always as a vounteer and nearly always with no previous experience. I too started off with 1 child, now with 4, as many of our families have grown and along the way dealt with all the wonders life offers, sad and happy. SA has become less present in the lobby arena, lack of time and burn-out. We seem to be focusing on support for now and getting out there to educate our birthing Mums and Dads. Next weekend Adelaide is hosting WOMAD, a world music festival, Birth Matters with Homebirth Network have been fortunate to secure a stall. We will have a wonderful oppurtunity to talk with thousands of people, delight them with our beautiful births and handout good information. We have been at Mothers and Baby expo a number of times, a tuff gig, to say the least. Sharing the most intimate moment of your life, only to have women loudly show there disgust at the video of a birth. Not the Grandmas or the men, but women due to birth. It's a very tiring 3 days of your life. Adelaides birth groups work independantly to and alongside each other. They say it takes a village to raise a child, well it takes many forms to educate our birthing community, AND WE ALL MATTER! SO, I look forward to reading about any birth groups out there, whatever you are called and in what ever capaticty your contribution is. A pat on the back to us all, Cheers Megan Resch Of -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tania Smallwood Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2007 8:40 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maternity coalition Can I just say that it would be terrible if this thread deteriorated yet again into a personal slinging match. Please can we all keep in our minds and our hearts that we are all doing what we can, with the time we have, to further the cause and help women...making comments on people's tone is not in my honest opinion called for, or constructive. A lovely friend of mine, one of the wisest women I know, has talked with me about the email thing and the problems that we as women in particular, encounter with it. Her take on it, and I agree wholeheartedly is that we must keep in mind that it was invented by blokes, and that it has no ability to convey the subtlety of emotion that we often use to soften or round off our comments. Its purpose initially was probably for the sharing of meeting minutes, and the like. We don't talk like that, we don't communicate like that, and when we attempt to use a medium that doesn't have the features we need to put across the whole of the message, not just the words, then something within that message can be lost. Please, please, can we keep our own agendas out of this. I have been a member of birth support and information groups for nearly 10 years and for the most part, it has been smooth sailing. I still don't have a handle on what the MC really does, even though I've been a member for sometime, and our consumer groups have been members. That doesn't mean I'm not interested, or supportive. It means I'm uninformed, and I thought for a minute there, with this thread, that I might become a bit more informed. This is a public list. Christopher Cain and other presidents of the AMA would be laughing their heads off if they were aware of the bitching and internal back biting that goes on between us all. As I've said before, with us behaving like this, they have nothing to worry about. Tania x -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/707 - Release Date: 1/03/2007 2:43 PM -- This mailing list is sponsored
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maternity coalition
Thanks for that Megan. It was great to read what is going on in SA. WOMAD sounds like lots of fun, what great exposure! Wendy ( in Victoria) - Original Message - From: Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 12:25 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maternity coalition Here here Tania. I don't know what is going on in other states regarding birth support groups, in whatever role or title, but maybe an explanation of what we have in SA might be helpful, in return I would love to hear about everyone else. SA has a lovely history of birth groups. Those on the list who know more than me about it, please add. We have the Homebirth Network which has been going for many many years, anyone in SA know how long? Many moons ago, we had MAMA (?), Mums and Midwives working together, I believe they successfully lobbied for a birth centre at one of our large teaching hospitals. This group is now part of our history. Name escapes me, but we have a group for our Ind Midwives too. Help on that one? CARES, a caesarean support group, established over 8 years ago by Jo, Caroline and Emma. Going strong and doing amazing work. Birth Matters, also established over 8 years ago. BM sees itself as a generic support group, they provide the information so as choice is available. Maternity Coalition, established a few years, more low key here. Our groups are well established and continue to function together as needed. When we join forces so to speak, we go under the title of The Birth Networks of SA or similar. A number of the women in these groups wear many hats, and work very hard for the cause. Always as a vounteer and nearly always with no previous experience. I too started off with 1 child, now with 4, as many of our families have grown and along the way dealt with all the wonders life offers, sad and happy. SA has become less present in the lobby arena, lack of time and burn-out. We seem to be focusing on support for now and getting out there to educate our birthing Mums and Dads. Next weekend Adelaide is hosting WOMAD, a world music festival, Birth Matters with Homebirth Network have been fortunate to secure a stall. We will have a wonderful oppurtunity to talk with thousands of people, delight them with our beautiful births and handout good information. We have been at Mothers and Baby expo a number of times, a tuff gig, to say the least. Sharing the most intimate moment of your life, only to have women loudly show there disgust at the video of a birth. Not the Grandmas or the men, but women due to birth. It's a very tiring 3 days of your life. Adelaides birth groups work independantly to and alongside each other. They say it takes a village to raise a child, well it takes many forms to educate our birthing community, AND WE ALL MATTER! SO, I look forward to reading about any birth groups out there, whatever you are called and in what ever capaticty your contribution is. A pat on the back to us all, Cheers Megan Resch Of -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tania Smallwood Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2007 8:40 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maternity coalition Can I just say that it would be terrible if this thread deteriorated yet again into a personal slinging match. Please can we all keep in our minds and our hearts that we are all doing what we can, with the time we have, to further the cause and help women...making comments on people's tone is not in my honest opinion called for, or constructive. A lovely friend of mine, one of the wisest women I know, has talked with me about the email thing and the problems that we as women in particular, encounter with it. Her take on it, and I agree wholeheartedly is that we must keep in mind that it was invented by blokes, and that it has no ability to convey the subtlety of emotion that we often use to soften or round off our comments. Its purpose initially was probably for the sharing of meeting minutes, and the like. We don't talk like that, we don't communicate like that, and when we attempt to use a medium that doesn't have the features we need to put across the whole of the message, not just the words, then something within that message can be lost. Please, please, can we keep our own agendas out of this. I have been a member of birth support and information groups for nearly 10 years and for the most part, it has been smooth sailing. I still don't have a handle on what the MC really does, even though I've been a member for sometime, and our consumer groups have been members. That doesn't mean I'm not interested, or supportive. It means I'm uninformed, and I thought for a minute there, with this thread, that I might become a bit more informed. This is a public list. Christopher Cain and other presidents of the AMA
RE: [ozmidwifery] Frustration
That must be very frustrating. Do you or your other midwife colleagues have any strategies for challenging these management decisions given that they are clearly not evidence based, are gross overservicing and just plain dangerous? J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michelle Windsor Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2007 8:50 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Frustration It amazes me that sometimes these doctors just don't seem to learn. We have had a run of inductions and LUSCS for either SGA or LGA lately because 'the scan said such such'. The SGA's that I've seen have ranged from 2.8-3.1kg and the LGA's from 3.4-4.1kg. One lady recently had a LUCSC for her 4th bub because by USS it was 12 pound. Surprise, suprise out came an 8 pounder which was less than her last vaginally born baby. Grr Michelle - Original Message From: Ken Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, 1 March, 2007 2:46:51 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Frustration Delightful doctor told his lady that the episi he cut which extended to a 3rd degree tear was so extensive that she would need a C/S next time. Also she would need to be reviewed, and may need the repair repaired by another dr. One wonders what he has done. Of course it will all be her and/or the baby's fault. Gr -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au http://www.acegraphics.com.au/ to subscribe or unsubscribe. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maternity coalition
Hey Lisa, I'm a bit baffled by that quote. My dictionary states that advocacy means - 'support for people who are thought likely to be disregarded or to have difficulty in gaining attention, so that their opinion is listened to' And that lobbying means - 'a group of campaigners and representatives of particular interests who try to influence political policy on a particular issue' Essentially isn't it one in the same - advocacy being on a more personal level and lobbying being on a political level. I can't really see how you can have one without the other. You need the personal to get to the political. There would be no point in lobbying the Govt or politicians if there is no one that you are advocating for. In my limited understanding and it is limited, because I don't work for or on behalf of MC, but don't Unions and other orgs or bodies that deal with such issues do both. Whilst advocating on behalf of a group of people for a particular issue, they try to influence political policy on that particular issue. Ok, I'll stop getting off track - back to Uni work! Jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Friday, 2 March 2007 12:56 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maternity coalition The way I understand the maternity coalition are formally recognised as a lobbying goup. This is something I read on a public forum about the MC, Lobbying is a pretty dispassionate job and advocacy work can get in the way of effective lobbying Well, I know that MC did a lot of individual consumer advocacy in the early days but, realistically, MC cannot be an advocacy group and a lobby group simultaneously. Again, it's a simple issue of (wo)man power. Consider the fact that all active members are volunteers and almost all are mothers with babies and young children themselves and you'll understand that the face2face advocacy work is very time consuming and extremely stressful for an untrained individual to take on. You don't want unskilled people doing advocacy work!! Maybe it should be clearer what exactly the maternity coalition do so woman understand how it's helping them and in what capacity and we can really get it out there. Lisa Barrett From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 9:37 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: web sites for antenatal information Dear Carol I have just squizzed your website and notice Maternity Coalition missing. It would be useful to link MC to help women to understand that they can challenge obstetric domination (should they want to). Also helps to get it out there that there is a national maternity consumer advocacy organisation. Kind regards Justine Caines National President Maternity Coalition Inc PO Box 625 SCONE NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65453612 Fax: (02)65482902 Mob: 0408 210273 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.maternitycoalition.org.au - Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] to turn on/off the digest mode. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] to turn on/off vacation mode. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you need assistance or have a quesion. To unsubscribe, click on the following web page. http://cgi.mail-list.com/u?ln=ozmidwifery[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/706 - Release Date: 28/02/2007 4:09 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/706 - Release Date: 28/02/2007 4:09 PM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maternity coalition
Like a said Jo, It's something I read and I wondered what it meant in terms of women. I suppose the difference between the two definitions to me is that one is directly involved with the women on a individual basis to get their opinion noted and their needs addressed. and the other is involved with changing political policy but doesn't involve individuals and their difficulties but is trying over all to change for the common good. I was just asking. Can a woman come to the MC one an individual basis and get help from to address her individual difficulties with the system. Which is what consumer advocacy implies to me. Or is it you take each case and put them together to lobby public opinion and government for change which is totally different. Or is it both. I field calls from many people with problems in the system looking for help. I do give strategies and advice but some woman aren't able to get what they want alone it would be nice to know that I could refer them on to a group that could get involved. Often they don't actually want an independent midwife but just general help. Although I do the best I can I'm one person. I didn't think the maternity coalition did that sort of thing. If they do I'll start suggesting women get in touch. Lisa Barrett -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maternity coalition
Lisa, a woman on BB had a terrible time with a nasty Ob, I put her in touch with MC. She joined as a member (so she could be represented) and her case was dealt with by the MC. I am not sure whats happened since but he's had complaints against him before. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:13 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maternity coalition Like a said Jo, It's something I read and I wondered what it meant in terms of women. I suppose the difference between the two definitions to me is that one is directly involved with the women on a individual basis to get their opinion noted and their needs addressed. and the other is involved with changing political policy but doesn't involve individuals and their difficulties but is trying over all to change for the common good. I was just asking. Can a woman come to the MC one an individual basis and get help from to address her individual difficulties with the system. Which is what consumer advocacy implies to me. Or is it you take each case and put them together to lobby public opinion and government for change which is totally different. Or is it both. I field calls from many people with problems in the system looking for help. I do give strategies and advice but some woman aren't able to get what they want alone it would be nice to know that I could refer them on to a group that could get involved. Often they don't actually want an independent midwife but just general help. Although I do the best I can I'm one person. I didn't think the maternity coalition did that sort of thing. If they do I'll start suggesting women get in touch. Lisa Barrett -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maternity coalition
What do I do as an MC member (actually WA State President, but that's by-the-by)? Well, for starters, I do the following (and more besides): I help out individual women with questions about maternity care in WA. Perhaps they want to know where they can get a waterbirth (answer: virtually nowhere in WA public hospitals), so I can tell them what the situation is. I can point them in the right directions to independent midwives, support groups etc. I sit on a number of committees: the Community Midwifery Programme Steering Committee, the Exec Committee of the WA Branch of ACM, and a Working Party for implementing a BMid at a local university. I recently was part of a workshop canvassing comment on the new draft consultation document on maternity services (Future Directions) and submitted a written submission on the same document. I also met with Dept of Health personnel on the same subject. I keep an eye on local and national newspapers and write comments where I believe maternity services (and midwifery-led care in particular) need a balanced comment. Yes - I do lobby (sometimes), and I do advocate (sometimes), and a whole load of things beside. I may march on parliament if needs be, and we do meet regularly with MP's. What I do, do is to try and represent the women and men who come to me, and call for midwifery-led care as the normal/default model for maternity services. Maternity Coalition also provides prenatal information sessions Choices for Childbirth, although not in WA. MC is much more than a lobbying organization (or an advocacy service). We represent consumers and are an umbrella organization for local groups. For those of you who know the National Childbirth Trust in the UK, there are many similarities between MC and the NCT in their fledgling years MC are always looking for people to support their work - why not join? Oh - by the way - I'm the national membership secretary so all you need to do is contact me :-) Debbie Slater Perth, Wa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Friday, 2 March 2007 6:13 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maternity coalition Like a said Jo, It's something I read and I wondered what it meant in terms of women. I suppose the difference between the two definitions to me is that one is directly involved with the women on a individual basis to get their opinion noted and their needs addressed. and the other is involved with changing political policy but doesn't involve individuals and their difficulties but is trying over all to change for the common good. I was just asking. Can a woman come to the MC one an individual basis and get help from to address her individual difficulties with the system. Which is what consumer advocacy implies to me. Or is it you take each case and put them together to lobby public opinion and government for change which is totally different. Or is it both. I field calls from many people with problems in the system looking for help. I do give strategies and advice but some woman aren't able to get what they want alone it would be nice to know that I could refer them on to a group that could get involved. Often they don't actually want an independent midwife but just general help. Although I do the best I can I'm one person. I didn't think the maternity coalition did that sort of thing. If they do I'll start suggesting women get in touch. Lisa Barrett -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Frustration
Unfortunately at the moment the decision to induce is made by the doctors in the antenatal clinics, and often we are only seeing the women when they arrive in birthsuite for induction. I like to discuss the reasons for IOL, and the pros and cons but not sure what other midwives do. Hopefully soon we will have a midwifery model of care so that alot of this unnecessary intervention can be avoided. Cheers Michelle - Original Message From: Janet at home [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, 1 March, 2007 10:20:52 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Frustration That must be very frustrating. Do you or your other midwife colleagues have any strategies for challenging these management decisions given that they are clearly not evidence based, are gross overservicing and just plain dangerous? J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michelle Windsor Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2007 8:50 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Frustration It amazes me that sometimes these doctors just don't seem to learn. We have had a run of inductions and LUSCS for either SGA or LGA lately because 'the scan said such such'. The SGA's that I've seen have ranged from 2.8-3.1kg and the LGA's from 3.4-4.1kg. One lady recently had a LUCSC for her 4th bub because by USS it was 12 pound. Surprise, suprise out came an 8 pounder which was less than her last vaginally born baby. Grr Michelle - Original Message From: Ken Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, 1 March, 2007 2:46:51 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Frustration Delightful doctor told his lady that the episi he cut which extended to a 3rd degree tear was so extensive that she would need a C/S next time. Also she would need to be reviewed, and may need the repair repaired by another dr. One wonders what he has done. Of course it will all be her and/or the baby's fault. Gr -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
RE: [ozmidwifery] Frustration
One tries, but often these women have been convinced that an IOL or C/S is vital. When queried,or one tries to counsel them the reply is often 'O, I'm here now, I may as well go through with it.' -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Janet at home Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:21 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Frustration That must be very frustrating. Do you or your other midwife colleagues have any strategies for challenging these management decisions given that they are clearly not evidence based, are gross overservicing and just plain dangerous? J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michelle Windsor Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2007 8:50 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Frustration It amazes me that sometimes these doctors just don't seem to learn. We have had a run of inductions and LUSCS for either SGA or LGA lately because 'the scan said such such'. The SGA's that I've seen have ranged from 2.8-3.1kg and the LGA's from 3.4-4.1kg. One lady recently had a LUCSC for her 4th bub because by USS it was 12 pound. Surprise, suprise out came an 8 pounder which was less than her last vaginally born baby. Grr Michelle - Original Message From: Ken Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, 1 March, 2007 2:46:51 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Frustration Delightful doctor told his lady that the episi he cut which extended to a 3rd degree tear was so extensive that she would need a C/S next time. Also she would need to be reviewed, and may need the repair repaired by another dr. One wonders what he has done. Of course it will all be her and/or the baby's fault. Gr -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] Frustration
I agree, not only is it intensely frustrating but one then has to regain this woman's confidence as you prepare to be the primary carer in labour. It is however a true joy when a woman decides to listen to all the evidence, decides that a social induction is perhaps not the simple process she thought and goes home to await SOL :) Alesa Alesa Koziol Clinical Midwifery Educator Melbourne - Original Message - From: Ken Ward To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Frustration One tries, but often these women have been convinced that an IOL or C/S is vital. When queried,or one tries to counsel them the reply is often 'O, I'm here now, I may as well go through with it.' -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Janet at home Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:21 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Frustration That must be very frustrating. Do you or your other midwife colleagues have any strategies for challenging these management decisions given that they are clearly not evidence based, are gross overservicing and just plain dangerous? J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michelle Windsor Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2007 8:50 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Frustration It amazes me that sometimes these doctors just don't seem to learn. We have had a run of inductions and LUSCS for either SGA or LGA lately because 'the scan said such such'. The SGA's that I've seen have ranged from 2.8-3.1kg and the LGA's from 3.4-4.1kg. One lady recently had a LUCSC for her 4th bub because by USS it was 12 pound. Surprise, suprise out came an 8 pounder which was less than her last vaginally born baby. Grr Michelle - Original Message From: Ken Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, 1 March, 2007 2:46:51 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Frustration Delightful doctor told his lady that the episi he cut which extended to a 3rd degree tear was so extensive that she would need a C/S next time. Also she would need to be reviewed, and may need the repair repaired by another dr. One wonders what he has done. Of course it will all be her and/or the baby's fault. Gr -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
[ozmidwifery] Frustration
Delightful doctor told his lady that the episi he cut which extended to a 3rd degree tear was so extensive that she would need a C/S next time. Also she would need to be reviewed, and may need the repair repaired by another dr. One wonders what he has done. Of course it will all be her and/or the baby's fault. Gr -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Fw: Making it easier for women to breastfeed
Hello all, Please send far and wide. This is fantastic, warmly, Carolyn Rachel Myr [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/25/07 9:30 pm This video montage from numerous 'nurse-ins' was made by a breastfeeding enthusiast in Canada after the wave of demonstrations by breastfeeding mothers following the expulsion of a mother from a Delta airlines flight (BEFORE departure :-)) when she declined to stop feeding her child on board. If enough people go to youtube and view it, it gets moved up to a more visible placement on the youtube website, and more people who don't normally think about breastfeeding will see it. It's a nice film, and the music is well chosen. I was alerted to it on Lactnet by the person who did the video montage you can see here, and am trying to do my bit to get it some more circulation. Enjoy. Nurse-Ins across http://youtube.com/watch?v=kmgLgIUB2T4 America cheers Rachel Myr, well and truly snowed in, in Kristiansand, Norway -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: 25/02/2007 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Making it easier for women to breastfeed
Absolutely brilliant!! Sally - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Making it easier for women to breastfeed Hello all, Please send far and wide. This is fantastic, warmly, Carolyn Rachel Myr [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/25/07 9:30 pm This video montage from numerous 'nurse-ins' was made by a breastfeeding enthusiast in Canada after the wave of demonstrations by breastfeeding mothers following the expulsion of a mother from a Delta airlines flight (BEFORE departure :-)) when she declined to stop feeding her child on board. If enough people go to youtube and view it, it gets moved up to a more visible placement on the youtube website, and more people who don't normally think about breastfeeding will see it. It's a nice film, and the music is well chosen. I was alerted to it on Lactnet by the person who did the video montage you can see here, and am trying to do my bit to get it some more circulation. Enjoy. Nurse-Ins across http://youtube.com/watch?v=kmgLgIUB2T4 America cheers Rachel Myr, well and truly snowed in, in Kristiansand, Norway -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: 25/02/2007 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/703 - Release Date: 26/02/2007 2:56 PM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Job Vacancy at Katherine NT
There's a vacancy with the Katherine West Health Board for a Maternal Women's Health Coordinator. It's for a midwife with a strong interest in working with Aboriginal people and experience in coordinating and developing population health programs utilizing a primary health care model. The reason I'm sending this is that I'm just finishing a very short-term contract to complete a project in this area. It would be a great job for someone who is comfortable with lots of traveling and an enthusiasm for working with the female members of the communities. Katherine is also ideally situated as a base for all the wonderful attractions of this area including the Nitmiluk, Gregory and Kakadu National Parks. If you're interested contact the Human Resource Coordinator on (08) 8971 9300 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anne
[ozmidwifery] CPD stories
Met a woman who told me she had had a C/S for CPD with 1st bub. Had a home birth with 2nd, who was 2lb heavier. I believe CPD does occur, but is very rare. As with 'fetal distress', also does occur, it's often used for an excuse to section a woman. We need to accept that sometimes there is a genuine need to interfere. Looking at the improvement in outcomes for women and babies, and seeing the awful things happening in the Developing world there is a need for some obstetric intervention in some cases. I do agree that our rate of intervention is far too high, and often have a song and dance about it. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD stories
There was/is a US Obs professor out of Austin Texas said he used to believe in it but that is like rocking horse ! Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Ken Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 6:29 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] CPD stories Met a woman who told me she had had a C/S for CPD with 1st bub. Had a home birth with 2nd, who was 2lb heavier. I believe CPD does occur, but is very rare. As with 'fetal distress', also does occur, it's often used for an excuse to section a woman. We need to accept that sometimes there is a genuine need to interfere. Looking at the improvement in outcomes for women and babies, and seeing the awful things happening in the Developing world there is a need for some obstetric intervention in some cases. I do agree that our rate of intervention is far too high, and often have a song and dance about it. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/700 - Release Date: 24/02/2007 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Grieving families
For those unaware, SIDS and KIDS have a 'Treasured Baby' programme. We send out packs for babies from about 16 weeks gestation. They have a nightie, knitted set, sleeping bag, certificate in decorated tube for smaller bubs. For 18 to term the packs have two nighties, two knitted sets, a bunny rug, a blanket, the certificate, all made to size by volunteers from donated materials. We also have memory boxes with tiny bonnets and bootees for miscarriages, remembrance boxes for all the keepsakes and little burial boxes, lined and decorated. We send packs to many of the units here in Victoria and some in NSW. Any unit can obtain the packs. The vast majority of volunteers have lost babies, and find this is a healing activity. Feed back from families is extremely positive. So, as well as photos, there are things that acknowledges the birth of the baby, no matter the gestation, and can provide memories. Maureen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Grieving families
How much do they cost Maureen? Helen - Original Message - From: Ken Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:02 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Grieving families For those unaware, SIDS and KIDS have a 'Treasured Baby' programme. We send out packs for babies from about 16 weeks gestation. They have a nightie, knitted set, sleeping bag, certificate in decorated tube for smaller bubs. For 18 to term the packs have two nighties, two knitted sets, a bunny rug, a blanket, the certificate, all made to size by volunteers from donated materials. We also have memory boxes with tiny bonnets and bootees for miscarriages, remembrance boxes for all the keepsakes and little burial boxes, lined and decorated. We send packs to many of the units here in Victoria and some in NSW. Any unit can obtain the packs. The vast majority of volunteers have lost babies, and find this is a healing activity. Feed back from families is extremely positive. So, as well as photos, there are things that acknowledges the birth of the baby, no matter the gestation, and can provide memories. Maureen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 2074 (20070221) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Grieving families
Nothing. Sids and Kids even pay the postage. Because everything is donated we can offer these as gifts. Naturally we are always seeking donations, so if anyone has surplus wool in 3 4ply in baby colours, or can help out with materials, i.e. pastel flannelette, fleece, interlock. We also need small boxes, which are then painted and decorated. Any money has to go to SK and we don't see it. I'll take some photos and hopefully post them. Any one can drop into the centre and see what we do. Open Tuesdays and Fridays 9.30 -12. Maureen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hge.elen and Graham Sent: Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:42 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Grieving families How much do they cost Maureen? Helen - Original Message - From: Ken Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:02 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Grieving families For those unaware, SIDS and KIDS have a 'Treasured Baby' programme. We send out packs for babies from about 16 weeks gestation. They have a nightie, knitted set, sleeping bag, certificate in decorated tube for smaller bubs. For 18 to term the packs have two nighties, two knitted sets, a bunny rug, a blanket, the certificate, all made to size by volunteers from donated materials. We also have memory boxes with tiny bonnets and bootees for miscarriages, remembrance boxes for all the keepsakes and little burial boxes, lined and decorated. We send packs to many of the units here in Victoria and some in NSW. Any unit can obtain the packs. The vast majority of volunteers have lost babies, and find this is a healing activity. Feed back from families is extremely positive. So, as well as photos, there are things that acknowledges the birth of the baby, no matter the gestation, and can provide memories. Maureen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 2074 (20070221) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Closing the old list
Hi all, Well, there has been no activity on the old list since last week. I'm taking this as a sign that we don't need it any more. So, as of tomorrow this list is being removed. If you have any questions, please email me of the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards Kim - Kim Hunter Step Two Designs Pty Ltd Intranets / Usability / Information Architecture / Knowledge Management / Content Management http://www.steptwo.com.au/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] hb MW Gisborne, Vic
Hi Janet, I was going through tidying up my emails and ran acros this one. Do you know if she has found a M/W? I am 3 hrs away but have a car!! I know there are some good HB M/W in Bendigo too. Cheers Wen - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 11:23 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] hb MW Gisborne, Vic Hi all, anyone able or willing to support a woman birth at home in Gisborne? : ) J For home birth information go to: Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums. http://www.joyousbirth.info/ Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/654 - Release Date: 1/27/2007
[ozmidwifery] ? subscription renewal
Hello to all at ozmidwifery I'm already a subscriber and wonder if the copied email below is legit or should I be wary of it? Regards Jan Hello We have received a request to subscribe the following email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the Ozmidwifery mailing list. We need to make sure you want this subscription. If you do wish to subscribe, click the following link to confirm: http://cgi.mail-list.com/r?ln=ozmidwiferyrn=s02121228582410 Or, if you prefer, Reply to this message and send it back to us without altering it. If this is all a mistake or you no longer wish to subscribe, simply ignore this message. If you suspect someone may be abusing your email address, please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with complete details. Regards The team @ Birth International Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au
RE: [ozmidwifery] ? subscription renewal
Jan Be careful the address on your email is not the same as the address as the address on the email I got Alan _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan Robinson Sent: Tuesday, 13 February 2007 20:26 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] ? subscription renewal Hello to all at ozmidwifery I'm already a subscriber and wonder if the copied email below is legit or should I be wary of it? Regards Jan Hello We have received a request to subscribe the following email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the Ozmidwifery mailing list. We need to make sure you want this subscription. If you do wish to subscribe, click the following link to confirm: http://cgi.mail-list.com/r?ln=ozmidwiferyrn=s02121228582410 Or, if you prefer, Reply to this message and send it back to us without altering it. If this is all a mistake or you no longer wish to subscribe, simply ignore this message. If you suspect someone may be abusing your email address, please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with complete details. Regards The team @ Birth International Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au
[ozmidwifery] Re:
Hi Belinda, you poor thing! I'm not sure if you use essential oils (I'm a bit of a oil queen). But you could try clove, thyme, oregano, tea tree, melaleuca ericifolia, manuka, cassia cinnamon bark. If you get them through young living essential oils they have some blends call purification, melrose, exodusII and Theives. Dilute 50-50 and apply 2-3 drops on the boils 3-6 times daily. You sound like you could be a bit run down too, i'd recommend seeing a naturopath and also taking some acidophils (?sp) after the antibiotics. I never realized you had another baby...congratulations!! Love, Rachael - Original Message - From: Belinda Pound To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 4:51 PM Just wondering if anyone has any ideas on treating boils. Started about 18/40 (second pregnancy..none with first). Glucose at 28/40 fine. Drs said it was due to pregnancy. Had several courses of oral ab's, two treatments of bactroban nasally. (partner and 2yo daughter also treated with nasal ab at this time). Bath in detol/phisohex. Baby now 11 weeks, breastfeeding, and I currently have four boils. All have been on the right hand side of body. Take pregnancy and breastfeeding vitamin daily. (have had 15-20 in past 6 months.and don't want yet another dose of ab's) Any suggestions on experience/treatment greatly appreciated. Thanks Belinda __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
RE: [ozmidwifery] ? subscription renewal
Jan The difference is in the numbers at the end of the link. It could be just because of our different user names. Here is a later post related to this. Maybe this way is a safer option Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] to get off the list. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] to on/off the digest mode. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] to turn on/off vacation mode. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you need assistance or have a question. Also you need to change your ozmid address to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alan _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan Robinson Sent: Tuesday, 13 February 2007 20:26 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] ? subscription renewal Hello to all at ozmidwifery I'm already a subscriber and wonder if the copied email below is legit or should I be wary of it? Regards Jan Hello We have received a request to subscribe the following email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the Ozmidwifery mailing list. We need to make sure you want this subscription. If you do wish to subscribe, click the following link to confirm: http://cgi.mail-list.com/r?ln=ozmidwiferyrn=s02121228582410 Or, if you prefer, Reply to this message and send it back to us without altering it. If this is all a mistake or you no longer wish to subscribe, simply ignore this message. If you suspect someone may be abusing your email address, please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with complete details. Regards The team @ Birth International Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au
[ozmidwifery] RE:
Hi Belinda, My daughter had recurrent boils for approximately 2 years and we tried all the treatments you have mentioned: salt baths, vitamin supplements and antibiotics (even though I hate them and believe they are overused) etc ... etc ... I spoke with a naturopath and she said it tended to be a depressed immune system. So I decided to try to improve her diet as my daughter has always been a fussy eater. I started giving her a punnet of strawberries and a punnet of cherry tomatoes every week and she hasnt had a boil since!! It would seem that the extra vitamin C has boosted her immune system sufficiently. So ... its worth a try and tastes alot better than antibiotics without the side-effects!! All the best, Leanne. Leanne Wynne Midwife in charge of Women's Business Mildura Aboriginal Health Service Mob 0418 371862 From: Belinda Pound [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:51:11 +1000 Just wondering if anyone has any ideas on treating boils. Started about 18/40 (second pregnancy..none with first). Glucose at 28/40 fine. Drs said it was due to pregnancy. Had several courses of oral ab's, two treatments of bactroban nasally. (partner and 2yo daughter also treated with nasal ab at this time). Bath in detol/phisohex. Baby now 11 weeks, breastfeeding, and I currently have four boils. All have been on the right hand side of body. Take pregnancy and breastfeeding vitamin daily. (have had 15-20 in past 6 months.and don't want yet another dose of ab's) Any suggestions on experience/treatment greatly appreciated. Thanks Belinda _ Advertisement: Fresh jobs daily. Stop waiting for the newspaper. Search Now! www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau_t=757263760_r=Hotmail_EndText_Dec06_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] fenugreek
Dear All Just wondering if someone can help me with the therapeutic dose of fenugreek. I have heard it 's amazing to increase milk supply but as it says nothing of this on the bottle, I would like to know if others have had experience with its use. Thanks in advance. Catherine Pearson.
Re: [ozmidwifery] fenugreek
Hi Catherine. I used it once or twice in the last 20 months. I think it's 2 capsules 3x per day, but I took one once and 6 hours later I had MELONS on my chest. I don't think I really needed it, but I was just having one of those small moments of self-doubt. Jo On 14/02/2007, at 6:45 AM, gypsymidwife wrote: Dear All Just wondering if someone can help me with the therapeutic dose of fenugreek. I have heard it 's amazing to increase milk supply but as it says nothing of this on the bottle, I would like to know if others have had experience with its use. Thanks in advance. Catherine Pearson.
Re: [ozmidwifery] fenugreek
I have had adverse reactions to fenugreek every time I have tried it and when I spoke to my homeopath about it she actually said she never recommends it herself because it seems rather innocuous but is actually quite a powerful diuretic and blood thinner and can cause exactly the problems I was having (dehydration no matter how much I drank, associated headaches, dizziness, and more). You might want to consider something like blessed thistle instead? There are so homeopathics which can boost supply wonderfully. On 14/02/2007, at 9:45 AM, gypsymidwife wrote: Dear All Just wondering if someone can help me with the therapeutic dose of fenugreek. I have heard it 's amazing to increase milk supply but as it says nothing of this on the bottle, I would like to know if others have had experience with its use. Thanks in advance. Catherine Pearson.
Re: [ozmidwifery] fenugreek
Hi Catherine, Can you please post this message to the new list. I have some information on Fenugreek also but need to find it, I'll reply to your post on the new list. Regards Kim - Kim Hunter Step Two Designs Pty Ltd Intranets / Usability / Information Architecture / Knowledge Management / Content Management http://www.steptwo.com.au/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] gypsymidwife wrote: Dear All Just wondering if someone can help me with the therapeutic dose of fenugreek. I have heard it 's amazing to increase milk supply but as it says nothing of this on the bottle, I would like to know if others have had experience with its use. Thanks in advance. Catherine Pearson. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] fenugreek
Catherine, What brand is the liquid tincture you have? Does it say anything about 1:1 or 1:2 ratio on there at all - this way I can give you a dosage? Kristin (Naturopath CBE) From: "gypsymidwife" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] fenugreekDate: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:45:16 +1000 Dear All Just wondering if someone can help me with the therapeutic dose of fenugreek. I have heard it 's amazing to increase milk supply but as it says nothing of this on the bottle, I would like to know if others have had experience with its use. Thanks in advance. Catherine Pearson.Advertisement: Sell your car combining the power of print & online for $29.95 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] RE:
Boils are a balant sign the immune system is struggling and given over 80% of the immune system pivots on the bacterial populations in the git - no wonder AB arent helping - they often worsen the situation. Yes, see a good naturoapth and you'll get it sorted. Vit C, zinc, bioflavonoids, betacarotene, and probiotics are all a great start. Kristin (Naturopath CBE) From: "leanne wynne" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] RE:Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:08:12 +1100Hi Belinda,My daughter had recurrent boils for approximately 2 years and we tried all the treatments you have mentioned: salt baths, vitamin supplements and antibiotics (even though I hate them and believe they are overused) etc ... etc ...I spoke with a naturopath and she said it tended to be a depressed immune system. So I decided to try to improve her diet as my daughter has always been a fussy eater. I started giving her a punnet of strawberries and a punnet of cherry tomatoes every week and she hasnt had a boil since!! It would seem that the extra vitamin C has boosted her immune system sufficiently.So ... its worth a try and tastes alot better than antibiotics without the side-effects!!All the best,Leanne.Leanne WynneMidwife in charge of "Women's Business"Mildura Aboriginal Health Service Mob 0418 371862From: "Belinda Pound" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auDate: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:51:11 +1000Just wondering if anyone has any ideas on treating boils. Started about18/40 (second pregnancy..none with first). Glucose at 28/40 fine. Drs saidit was due to pregnancy. Had several courses of oral ab's, two treatmentsof bactroban nasally. (partner and 2yo daughter also treated with nasal abat this time). Bath in detol/phisohex. Baby now 11 weeks, breastfeeding,and I currently have four boils. All have been on the right hand side ofbody. Take pregnancy and breastfeeding vitamin daily. (have had 15-20 inpast 6 months.and don't want yet another dose of ab's) Any suggestions onexperience/treatment greatly appreciated. Thanks Belinda_Advertisement: Fresh jobs daily. Stop waiting for the newspaper. Search Now! www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL="">--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.Advertisement: Amazing holiday rentals? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] fenugreek
Hi Catherine Fenugreek has definitely been known for helping in the production of breastmilk. There are a few problems with it though, especially in women who are oestrogen dominant. In these women, too much fenugreek causes breasts too enlarge and in some cases it is very painful. There are other drawbacks, it has a curry scent and taste and if you have too much, you start to smell like the herb. It can also cause intestinal upset and nausea, plus due to being a uterine stimulant, it shouldn't be taken during pregnancy, which isn't usually a problem during lactation. A good formula for increasing breastmilk would be combining alfalfa, dill, fennel and fenugreek together. I'm not sure of the dose and amounts of each though. Hope this is useful. Cheers Kim Jo Watson wrote: Hi Catherine. I used it once or twice in the last 20 months. I think it's 2 capsules 3x per day, but I took one once and 6 hours later I had MELONS on my chest. I don't think I really needed it, but I was just having one of those small moments of self-doubt. Jo On 14/02/2007, at 6:45 AM, gypsymidwife wrote: Dear All Just wondering if someone can help me with the therapeutic dose of fenugreek. I have heard it 's amazing to increase milk supply but as it says nothing of this on the bottle, I would like to know if others have had experience with its use. Thanks in advance. Catherine Pearson. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] ? subscription renewal
Hi Alan, It is legitimate. I'm trying to get everyone from the old list onto the new list, so I can stop the old list. If you weren't on the already s*bscribed list I had I sent another s*bscribe command to the new list to s*bscribe people in order to prompt them to click on the link to confirm it. My apologies to those who are getting the second message to confirm their s*bscription and who are already s*bscribed. I hope this helps. Kim - Kim Hunter List Administrator http://www.birthinternational.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alan wrote: Jan Be careful the address on your email is not the same as the address as the address on the email I got Alan *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Jan Robinson *Sent:* Tuesday, 13 February 2007 20:26 *To:* ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au *Subject:* [ozmidwifery] ? subscription renewal Hello to all at ozmidwifery I'm already a subscriber and wonder if the copied email below is legit or should I be wary of it? Regards Jan Hello We have received a request to subscribe the following email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the Ozmidwifery mailing list. We need to make sure you want this subscription. If you do wish to subscribe, click the following link to confirm: http://cgi.mail-list.com/r?ln=ozmidwiferyrn=s02121228582410 Or, if you prefer, Reply to this message and send it back to us without altering it. If this is all a mistake or you no longer wish to subscribe, simply ignore this message. If you suspect someone may be abusing your email address, please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with complete details. Regards The team @ Birth International Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Subscribing to the new list
Hi everyone, Not everyone has been subscribed to the new list yet. I am concerned that you are not getting the email to confirm joining the new list. If you wish to join the new list and haven't received a confirmation email, can you please check to see if your spam filters are moving the emails to your spam or junk folders or possibly even deleting them. If you can't find this email and you wish to join the list send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you still have problems, please contact me and I'll do my best to help you. Regards Kim - Kim Hunter List Administrator http://www.birthinternational.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] sleeping trough the night :-)
like it - good perspective- coincides with returning to work?? - all pressure builds - this needs to be stressed - it is not the baby being difficult to wind mum up !! - Original Message - From: Lieve Huybrechts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 3:18 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] sleeping trough the night :-) Sleep Training... OK, here's my situation. My Mommy has had me for almost 7 months. The first few months were great-- I cried, she picked me up and fed me, anytime, day or night. Then something happened. Over the last few weeks, she has been trying to STTN (sleep thru the night). At first, I thought it was just a phase, but it is only getting worse. I've talked to other babies, and it seems like it's pretty common after Mommies have had us for around 6 months. Here's the thing: these Mommies don't really need to sleep. It's just a habit. Many of them have had some 30 years to sleep--they just don't need it anymore. So I am implementing a plan. I call it the Crybaby Shuffle. It goes like this: Night 1--cry every 3 hours until you get fed. I know, it's hard. It's hard to see your Mommy upset over your crying. Just keep reminding yourself, it's for her own good. Night 2--cry every 2 hours until you get fed. Night 3--every hour. Most Mommies will start to respond more quickly after about 3 nights. Some Mommies are more alert, and may resist the change longer. These Mommies may stand in your doorway for hours, s-ing. Don't give in. I cannot stress this enough: CONSISTENCY IS KEY!! If you let her STTN (sleep through the night), just once, she will expect it every night. I KNOW IT'S HARD! But she really does not need the sleep, she is just resisting the change. If you have an especially alert Mommy, you can stop crying for about 10 minutes, just long enough for her to go back to bed and start to fall asleep. Then cry again. It WILL eventually work. My Mommy once stayed awake for 10 hours straight, so I know she can do it. Last night, I cried every hour. You just have to decide to stick to it and just go for it. BE CONSISTENT! I cried for any reason I could come up with. My sleep sack tickled my foot. I felt a wrinkle under the sheet. My mobile made a shadow on the wall. I burped, and it tasted like pears. I hadn't eaten pears since lunch, what's up with that? The cat said meow. I should know. My Mommy reminds me of this about 20 times a day. LOL. Once I cried just because I liked how it sounded when it echoed on the monitor in the other room. Too hot, too cold, just right--doesn't matter! Keep crying!! It took awhile, but it worked. She fed me at 4am. Tomorrow night, my goal is 3:30am. You need to slowly shorten the interval between feedings in order to reset your Mommies' internal clocks. P.S. Don't let those rubber things fool you, no matter how long you suck on them, no milk will come out. Trust me. Lieve Huybrechts vroedvrouw 0477740853 www.geboorte-infocentrum.be -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] midwifery pay scales in OZ
Thanks Alan that would be great [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shelly - Original Message - From: Alan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:53 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] midwifery pay scales in OZ Hi Shelly I have got the awards for Queensland and New South Wales. Although the New south Wales one is dated Dec 2004. These awards set out the working conditions and include the pay rates. I could send them to you of list if you would like. Alan -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michelle gascoigne Sent: Tuesday, 6 February 2007 06:38 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] midwifery pay scales in OZ I am searching the web looking at midwifery jobs in OZ. Most do not have pay scales. Do you have a standard scale in OZ? If so where might I find a copy of that? In England ours can be found by looking up Agenda For Change on the web. Most midwives are on band 6 which is currently £22,886-£31,004 per annum plus extra duty payment for weekends nights and on calls. That converts to about $57,775-$78,276. Thanks Shelly -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.24/668 - Release Date: 04/02/2007 01:30
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Good Morning Midwives For those wondering, Selangor's address is 62 Netherton St, Nambour, QLD, 4560. Telephone 07 5450 4359. Our new Maternity Unit Manager, Sue Foyle (wonderful woman), has recently commenced work there, and we are verry happy to have her skills and expertise to take us to the next level (1000 births per annum and increasing). The maternity unit is being extended - building work is taking place now. Regards, Lynne PS Warm water immersion reference lists will be sent to those who have requested them. Still working with corporate on making the waterbirth learning package available too. - Original Message - From: Gail McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Can somebody PLEASE tell me where Selangor is? I would move if I had to work in a place like that. Gail :) From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:21:35 +1000 Hi Amy Sorry I missed your email and found it today. Yes Selangor welcomes students. Unfortunately most come for their 'alternative' birth experience - this is very telling, don't you think? Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: adamnamy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Lynne, Does Selangor take midwifery students? It seems a great place to learn the skills. Amy -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 8:05 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM _ Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $20 at carsales.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801577%2Fpi%5F1005244%2Fai%5F838588_t=757768878_r=endtext_simple_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Mumsnet threats by Gina Ford's lawyers
I've not heard anything since either. but I do know some of the things they were saying I wouldn't allow on my own site, apparently they were saying ridiculous things like Gina Ford strapped babies to rockets and shot them into South Lebanon or something. ?! If it got that out of hand I would have stopped it anyway. I actually get more complaints from businesses who google their sites and find that my link is higher than theirs or near the top with bad feedback. the mums are just expressing displeasure of bad service etc (in a reasonable way) but because google likes my site so much, it puts it up there for everyone to see and of course, the business owners don't like it. It's a tricky thing! Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ Post Natal Services Conference 2007 _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helen and Graham Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:11 AM To: ozmidwifery Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mumsnet threats by Gina Ford's lawyers I thought this was interesting given threads last year by Kelly about similar complaints on BellyBelly. These lawyers obviously mean business. Scary stuff and a worry for free speech. I wonder what the outcome was as this happened mid last year. Helen http://www.mumsnet.com/ Mumsnet and Gina Ford It is with great regret that we have to ask members to refrain from any further discussion of Gina Ford, her methods or her books on the site. Explanation http://www.mumsnet.com/lw/state.html http://www.mumsnet.com/lw/state.html Recent statements http://www.mumsnet.com/ginaford/state08082006.html http://www.mumsnet.com/ginaford/state08082006.html Press coverage http://www.mumsnet.com/PressCoverage.html http://www.mumsnet.com/PressCoverage.html
[ozmidwifery] New posts to the list
Hi everyone, In order for the new mailing list to get up and running can I request that all new post be sent to the new list at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm hoping to stop the old list at the end of February, thus giving you a chance to wrap up any of the current discussions and allowing everyone to move across to the new list. If anyone has any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Cheers Kim - Kim Hunter List Administrator Ozmidwifery List http://www.birthinternational.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] sleeping trough the night :-)
Sleep Training... OK, here's my situation. My Mommy has had me for almost 7 months. The first few months were great-- I cried, she picked me up and fed me, anytime, day or night. Then something happened. Over the last few weeks, she has been trying to STTN (sleep thru the night). At first, I thought it was just a phase, but it is only getting worse. I've talked to other babies, and it seems like it's pretty common after Mommies have had us for around 6 months. Here's the thing: these Mommies don't really need to sleep. It's just a habit. Many of them have had some 30 years to sleep--they just don't need it anymore. So I am implementing a plan. I call it the Crybaby Shuffle. It goes like this: Night 1--cry every 3 hours until you get fed. I know, it's hard. It's hard to see your Mommy upset over your crying. Just keep reminding yourself, it's for her own good. Night 2--cry every 2 hours until you get fed. Night 3--every hour. Most Mommies will start to respond more quickly after about 3 nights. Some Mommies are more alert, and may resist the change longer. These Mommies may stand in your doorway for hours, s-ing. Don't give in. I cannot stress this enough: CONSISTENCY IS KEY!! If you let her STTN (sleep through the night), just once, she will expect it every night. I KNOW IT'S HARD! But she really does not need the sleep, she is just resisting the change. If you have an especially alert Mommy, you can stop crying for about 10 minutes, just long enough for her to go back to bed and start to fall asleep. Then cry again. It WILL eventually work. My Mommy once stayed awake for 10 hours straight, so I know she can do it. Last night, I cried every hour. You just have to decide to stick to it and just go for it. BE CONSISTENT! I cried for any reason I could come up with. My sleep sack tickled my foot. I felt a wrinkle under the sheet. My mobile made a shadow on the wall. I burped, and it tasted like pears. I hadn't eaten pears since lunch, what's up with that? The cat said meow. I should know. My Mommy reminds me of this about 20 times a day. LOL. Once I cried just because I liked how it sounded when it echoed on the monitor in the other room. Too hot, too cold, just right--doesn't matter! Keep crying!! It took awhile, but it worked. She fed me at 4am. Tomorrow night, my goal is 3:30am. You need to slowly shorten the interval between feedings in order to reset your Mommies' internal clocks. P.S. Don't let those rubber things fool you, no matter how long you suck on them, no milk will come out. Trust me. Lieve Huybrechts vroedvrouw 0477740853 www.geboorte-infocentrum.be -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Can somebody PLEASE tell me where Selangor is? I would move if I had to work in a place like that. Gail :) From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:21:35 +1000 Hi Amy Sorry I missed your email and found it today. Yes Selangor welcomes students. Unfortunately most come for their 'alternative' birth experience - this is very telling, don't you think? Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: adamnamy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Lynne, Does Selangor take midwifery students? It seems a great place to learn the skills. Amy -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 8:05 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM _ Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $20 at carsales.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801577%2Fpi%5F1005244%2Fai%5F838588_t=757768878_r=endtext_simple_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Or perhaps the Sunshine Coast? Gail McKenzie wrote: Can somebody PLEASE tell me where Selangor is? I would move if I had to work in a place like that. Gail :) From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:21:35 +1000 Hi Amy Sorry I missed your email and found it today. Yes Selangor welcomes students. Unfortunately most come for their 'alternative' birth experience - this is very telling, don't you think? Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: adamnamy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Lynne, Does Selangor take midwifery students? It seems a great place to learn the skills. Amy -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 8:05 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM _ Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $20 at carsales.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801577%2Fpi%5F1005244%2Fai%5F838588_t=757768878_r=endtext_simple_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Selangor is located at Nambour on the sunshine coast in QLD :) It IS a great place! :) - Original Message - From: Gail McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Can somebody PLEASE tell me where Selangor is? I would move if I had to work in a place like that. Gail :) From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:21:35 +1000 Hi Amy Sorry I missed your email and found it today. Yes Selangor welcomes students. Unfortunately most come for their 'alternative' birth experience - this is very telling, don't you think? Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: adamnamy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Lynne, Does Selangor take midwifery students? It seems a great place to learn the skills. Amy -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 8:05 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM _ Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $20 at carsales.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801577%2Fpi%5F1005244%2Fai%5F838588_t=757768878_r=endtext_simple_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Thank you so much. I live at the Gold Coast. I'll pay a visit. :) From: Dan Rachael Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:49:42 +1000 Selangor is located at Nambour on the sunshine coast in QLD :) It IS a great place! :) - Original Message - From: Gail McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Can somebody PLEASE tell me where Selangor is? I would move if I had to work in a place like that. Gail :) From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:21:35 +1000 Hi Amy Sorry I missed your email and found it today. Yes Selangor welcomes students. Unfortunately most come for their 'alternative' birth experience - this is very telling, don't you think? Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: adamnamy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Lynne, Does Selangor take midwifery students? It seems a great place to learn the skills. Amy -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 8:05 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM _ Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $20 at carsales.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801577%2Fpi%5F1005244%2Fai%5F838588_t=757768878_r=endtext_simple_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. _ Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $20 at carsales.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801577%2Fpi%5F1005244%2Fai%5F838588_t=757768878_r=endtext_simple_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding: Milk, Health and Love
Hi, The Australian Breastfeeding Association will be holding our seminar series in Brisbane Feb 2th, Sydney Feb 28th, Geelong March 1st and Adelaide March 2nd. There will also be a Counselling the Breastfeeding Mother workshop on the day before each of these, and also in Perth on March 2nd. We have heard that several people from the Parliamentary Inquiry into breastfeeding will be attending the Adelaide seminar - a great chance to let them know your views! These seminars are for health professionals, parents, and anyone interested in breastfeeding. Great Speakers this year include Diane Spatz (USA) Changing Intitutional culture to really support breastfeeding and Supporting the premature baby to breastfeed Pinky McKay (Bris and Sydney) Milk, sleep and Love Dr Peter Mansfield Educating or advertising does formula advertising influence you? Dr Yvonne Luxford Dental health and the breastfed child Dr Gillian Opie Breastfeeding and illicit drugs and Understanding and using the WHO growth charts To register online and to see the full program please go to http://www.lrc.asn.au/2007/ (please note that due to unforseen technical problems we cannot accept payment online, but you can register and mail or phone through your payment. There are still spaces available for trade displays at most seminars. Barb Glare Counsellor, ABA Warrnambool Group Mum of Zac, 13, Dan, 11, Cassie, 8 and Guan 3 Director, ABA and Mothers Direct [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mothersdirect.com.au Have you bought your 2007 calendar yet?
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Hi Amy Sorry I missed your email and found it today. Yes Selangor welcomes students. Unfortunately most come for their 'alternative' birth experience - this is very telling, don't you think? Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: adamnamy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Lynne, Does Selangor take midwifery students? It seems a great place to learn the skills. Amy -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 8:05 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Mary At Selangor we - midwives, obstetricians and paediatricians - have 'officially' supported women for waterbirth since Feb 1998. Our rate is 35% of vaginal births and over 1600 babies have been waterborn since we opened. We will continue to do so as it has benefits for women, their babies and is safe. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can't remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM
[ozmidwifery] FW: Birth event 24 Feb
Passing it on. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ Post Natal Services Conference 2007 _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Autumn Rain International Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 6:02 PM To: Melbourne Doula Network Subject: [mlbdoula] Birth event 24 Feb Hi lovely Doulas, This looks interesting! See you there if you're coming. Love, Julie From: Katherine Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello ALL you wonderful people! Ok, many of you know how much I love theatre, and supporting the natural process of Birth! Well who would have thought that I would be able to do both at the same time! http://www.birththeplay.com/bold/bold.html This site is all about a beautiful play called, BIRTH:The play! It's a collection of over a hundred stories distilled into 7 birth stories, all performed on stage. They are VERY powerfull leaving nothing out, only one is home birth, two are c-sections, 3 have epidurals, one is a natural birth in hostipal. There are the 7 women core characters, but I would like also to put one or two men on stage to represent those male roles, partners and obstertricians... it is VERY real! Which means it's funny, it's sad, it's really really wrong and will make you angry, and there are moments of complete BLISS and awesome power! OK, next... we have our first meet up on the 24th of Feb, Saturday. 11am start, meet and greet, go over what we have, what we would like to do, how far and deep we want to go. Do we also want to run a Red Tent here and create a version of this play that gives an Australian veiw of the brithing practices. Do we want to create a whole cultrual event with art exhibitions and other powerful birth films. Connect it to the Birth week up here in Kallista (if you're doing it again Bhava???) See what the other women's organizations are doing over the year to connect to. I also wanted to introduce to those that don't know it yet, the BABS group too. Then we'll break for some shared lunch (bring a plate of lush shareable food) chat amongst ourselves, and then come back and set some next time/dates to see where we want to go... from there! DATE: 24th of February VENUE: 8 Bartley Road Belgrave South TIME: 11 am - 3pm BRING: plate to share and your diary. Perhaps fold out chair/cushion. CONTACT: 9754 1416 0409953518 Katherine. Please feel free to bring the children if you need to, there is a lockable back yard, and I will put the dog away for the session. Also PASS THIS ON to any one that would like to be a part of this wonderful work, backstage, on stage, or creating the ... all the rest that could take place! Let me know if you're coming, and PASS IT ON!
RE: [ozmidwifery] Sheila K @ HB conference
Hi Julie, I think 1991 she was here for the International Homebirth Conference held in Sydney. She was also here a few years ago 2003?? 2004?? At the NACE conference in Sydney. All the best jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie Garratt Sent: Thursday, 8 February 2007 5:04 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sheila K @ HB conference Hi All, How many times has Sheila been to Australia? I saw her in Adelaide once in the mid eighties then again in about 1990 or 91. Does anyone remember the dates? Cheers, Julie:) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Sheila K @ HB conference
She has also visited Perth, I think with CAPERS for a seminar. She could have been here more often. She was a very entertaining and challenging speaker MM I think 1991 she was here for the International Homebirth Conference held in Sydney. She was also here a few years ago 2003?? 2004?? At the NACE conference in Sydney. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Lymphedema
Hi All, has anyone had any experience with caring for a woman with primary lymphedema? A friend of mine has this condition and is 24/40 at the moment. Her symptoms haven't worsened through the pregnancy up to this point. I have had a look at a few databases and texts and it seems there hasn't been any research done in this area and there aren't any guidelines for management of pregnancy/birth for these women. So I'm looking for any anecdotal evidence in this area. It seems that the real risk in this situation is with postpartum infection, so logic would say avoid acquiring a caesarean wound. But she has been told that excessive pushing during 2nd stage could be problematic for her in that most of the lymph nodes she's missing are in her groin and her edema is in her legs. What do you think? Many thanks, Katrina Flora Student Midwife, 2nd year ACU
Re: [ozmidwifery] Effect of Obs Conferences on Birth Rates
Here is the Pdf on Effect of Obs Conferences on Birth Rates http://econrsss.anu.edu.au/~aleigh/pdf/ObsConferences.pdf If like me you can not deal with pod casting Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. — Linda Hes -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lymphedema
What is excessive pushing and who is to say that she will have to do it? Is the downside of excessive pushing worse than the downside of post CS infection, which I have seen some nasty cases of. Cheers Judy --- Katrina Flora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, has anyone had any experience with caring for a woman with primary lymphedema? A friend of mine has this condition and is 24/40 at the moment. Her symptoms haven't worsened through the pregnancy up to this point. I have had a look at a few databases and texts and it seems there hasn't been any research done in this area and there aren't any guidelines for management of pregnancy/birth for these women. So I'm looking for any anecdotal evidence in this area. It seems that the real risk in this situation is with postpartum infection, so logic would say avoid acquiring a caesarean wound. But she has been told that excessive pushing during 2nd stage could be problematic for her in that most of the lymph nodes she's missing are in her groin and her edema is in her legs. What do you think? Many thanks, Katrina Flora Student Midwife, 2nd year ACU Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Birth Stats around the world..?
Hi All, I was wondering how Australia compares to rest of world re interventions into birth. I know its pretty *up there* on the grand scale but can anyone give me some other countries - either on the lower end or higher end above us. My guess is USA very high??Netherlands/Austria/New Zealand??down the low end. This is just to use is I'm asked in my CBE class! Many thanks, KristinA find engine rather than a search engine - for websites, images, maps & more. Try live.com now! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Stats around the world..?
We're pretty crap, not surprisingly. The latest OECD figures for c-secs I've seen were 2005, anyone seen 2006? We had a higher rate of c-secs in 2005 than the US. Try a search for OECD figures, they're pretty eye opening. J - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:42 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth Stats around the world..? Hi All, I was wondering how Australia compares to rest of world re interventions into birth. I know its pretty *up there* on the grand scale but can anyone give me some other countries - either on the lower end or higher end above us. My guess is USA very high??Netherlands/Austria/New Zealand?? down the low end. This is just to use is I'm asked in my CBE class! Many thanks, Kristin -- A find engine rather than a search engine - for websites, images, maps more. Try live.com now! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Genuine???
Hi Kelly, Thanks for letting me know this. Its an error I had asked to be fixed but obviously its not been done yet. To send messages to the list the address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you could hold off on starting any real posts until around lunch time tomorrow, I'd really appreciate it. There are a few bumps, like this one you've mentioned that I need to iron out first. Thanks. Kim - Kim Hunter Step Two Designs Pty Ltd Intranets / Usability / Information Architecture / Knowledge Management / Content Management http://www.steptwo.com.au/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kelly Zantey wrote: There seems to be an error in the mailing list set-up I sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] as per the instruction email and it told me I was already subscribed Have now sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and will see if that works – but I think the message posting email address is wrong! Best Regards, **Kelly Zantey** Creator, **BellyBelly.com.au** http://www.bellybelly.com.au**__** Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby **Australian Birth Post Natal Services Conference 2007 http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/** *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Mary Murphy *Sent:* Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:15 PM *To:* ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au *Subject:* [ozmidwifery] Genuine??? I received this today. Is it genuine?? MM Hello We have received a request to subscribe the following email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the OzMidWifery mailing list. We need to make sure you want this subscription. If you do wish to subscribe, click the following link to confirm: http://cgi.mail-list.com/r?ln=ozmidwiferyrn=s020705265021463 http://cgi.mail-list.com/r?ln=ozmidwiferyrn=s020705265021463 Or, if you prefer, Reply to this message and send it back to us without altering it. If this all a mistake or you no longer wish to subscribe, simply ignore this message. If you suspect someone may be abusing your email address, please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with complete details. Regards The OzMidWifery team. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Genuine???
This is genuine. My apologies though, while we were setting up the list, we tried to miss this stage and simply s*bscribe everyone to list without the authorisation. Unfortunately, that wasn't possible. In order to get the new list up and running I'd appreciate it you'd all click on the link (unless you no longer wish to be a member) and authorise the s*bscription. My apologies also for the strange way the list name appears, I'm working on having this changed, so it doesn't look fake. Let me know if you have any questions. Also, can you not start sending message to the list until tomorrow, the s*bscribe part of the setup is happening a lot quicker than expected and it would be great if we let everyone have a chance to authorise their s*bscription to the list before starting anything people won't want to miss. If you need to view any of the old list's messages, the archives will still be in the usual place. I'll starting posting more information on the use of the list and how to access the new archives or if you wish, change to a digest version of the list. Regards Kim Mary Murphy wrote: I received this today. Is it genuine?? MM Hello We have received a request to subscribe the following email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the OzMidWifery mailing list. We need to make sure you want this subscription. If you do wish to subscribe, click the following link to confirm: http://cgi.mail-list.com/r?ln=ozmidwiferyrn=s020705265021463 http://cgi.mail-list.com/r?ln=ozmidwiferyrn=s020705265021463 Or, if you prefer, Reply to this message and send it back to us without altering it. If this all a mistake or you no longer wish to subscribe, simply ignore this message. If you suspect someone may be abusing your email address, please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with complete details. Regards The OzMidWifery team. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] midwifery pay scales in OZ
Could you send them to the list Alan? Helen - Original Message - From: Alan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:53 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] midwifery pay scales in OZ Hi Shelly I have got the awards for Queensland and New South Wales. Although the New south Wales one is dated Dec 2004. These awards set out the working conditions and include the pay rates. I could send them to you of list if you would like. Alan -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michelle gascoigne Sent: Tuesday, 6 February 2007 06:38 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] midwifery pay scales in OZ I am searching the web looking at midwifery jobs in OZ. Most do not have pay scales. Do you have a standard scale in OZ? If so where might I find a copy of that? In England ours can be found by looking up Agenda For Change on the web. Most midwives are on band 6 which is currently £22,886-£31,004 per annum plus extra duty payment for weekends nights and on calls. That converts to about $57,775-$78,276. Thanks Shelly __ NOD32 2042 (20070206) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
RE: [ozmidwifery] midwifery pay scales in OZ
I would need to send them as an attachment as they are in PDF format. I will try to send them this evening when the new system is up and running Alan _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helen and Graham Sent: Thursday, 8 February 2007 08:21 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] midwifery pay scales in OZ Could you send them to the list Alan? Helen - Original Message - From: Alan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:53 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] midwifery pay scales in OZ Hi Shelly I have got the awards for Queensland and New South Wales. Although the New south Wales one is dated Dec 2004. These awards set out the working conditions and include the pay rates. I could send them to you of list if you would like. Alan _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michelle gascoigne Sent: Tuesday, 6 February 2007 06:38 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] midwifery pay scales in OZ I am searching the web looking at midwifery jobs in OZ. Most do not have pay scales. Do you have a standard scale in OZ? If so where might I find a copy of that? In England ours can be found by looking up Agenda For Change on the web. Most midwives are on band 6 which is currently £22,886-£31,004 per annum plus extra duty payment for weekends nights and on calls. That converts to about $57,775-$78,276. Thanks Shelly __ NOD32 2042 (20070206) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] midwifery pay scales in OZ
Thanks for that Alan otherwise sending offlist would be good. Helen - Original Message - From: Alan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:34 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] midwifery pay scales in OZ I would need to send them as an attachment as they are in PDF format. I will try to send them this evening when the new system is up and running Alan -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helen and Graham Sent: Thursday, 8 February 2007 08:21 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] midwifery pay scales in OZ Could you send them to the list Alan? Helen - Original Message - From: Alan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:53 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] midwifery pay scales in OZ Hi Shelly I have got the awards for Queensland and New South Wales. Although the New south Wales one is dated Dec 2004. These awards set out the working conditions and include the pay rates. I could send them to you of list if you would like. Alan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michelle gascoigne Sent: Tuesday, 6 February 2007 06:38 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] midwifery pay scales in OZ I am searching the web looking at midwifery jobs in OZ. Most do not have pay scales. Do you have a standard scale in OZ? If so where might I find a copy of that? In England ours can be found by looking up Agenda For Change on the web. Most midwives are on band 6 which is currently £22,886-£31,004 per annum plus extra duty payment for weekends nights and on calls. That converts to about $57,775-$78,276. Thanks Shelly __ NOD32 2042 (20070206) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __ NOD32 2043 (20070207) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
[ozmidwifery] New List
Hi all, I'd just like to update you all on the new mailing list. Currently, 115 have authorised their subscription to the list which is less than half those on the old list. It would great if you could all make sure that you've done this authorisation if you wish to join the new list. Feel free to start posting to the new list, the address to send messages to is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We hope to stop the old list at some point but it will remain open until everyone has transferred across. It will mainly be used as a way to communicate with everyone who is currently on the list. Please don't hesitate to contact me if you have any questions. Regards Kim - Kim Hunter Step Two Designs Pty Ltd Intranets / Usability / Information Architecture / Knowledge Management / Content Management http://www.steptwo.com.au/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] 25th Homebirth Australia Conference
jo wrote: HI all, I am pleased to let you know that we now have a confirmed date and keynote speaker for the 25^th Homebirth Australia Conference. The conference will be held in Adelaide on Sat and Sun, Nov 3^rd and 4^th 2007. I have just had a definite confirmation from *Sheila Kitzinger* who will be our keynote speaker over the weekend. The theme for the conference is *“25 years on, HOMEBIRTH, paving the way for maternity reform”* It is most likely that this will be the last opportunity to hear Sheila speak in Australia, so if you are keen, pop it in your diary now and over the next month we will have more information regarding venues and registrations. Warm regards Jo Hunter //Jo Hunter// //National Convenor Homebirth Aus// //Coordinator Homebirth Access Sydney// //Innate Birth doula and CBE// //(02) 47 51 9840// Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/619 - Release Date: 7/01/2007 Jo Thats so fantastic that Sheila is speaking at conference Yeah ! Love Wendy. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Sheila K @ HB conference
Hi All, How many times has Sheila been to Australia? I saw her in Adelaide once in the mid eighties then again in about 1990 or 91. Does anyone remember the dates? Cheers, Julie:) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on ACA TONIGHT - Channel 9
ACA was on after the cricket here so I saw the trailer and stayed to watch. Great Pinky, you came across as much more caring than the other woman. Cheers Judy --- Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out ACA tonight at 6.30pm, Pinky will be on about babies and sleep. Don't forget to write in and say you liked the segment ask for more of Pinky :-) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ Post Natal Services Conference 2007 Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on ACA TONIGHT - Channel 9
Thanks Judy - I didnt get to see it as I had a private consultation last night. But I have read transcripts. Pinky - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on ACA TONIGHT - Channel 9 ACA was on after the cricket here so I saw the trailer and stayed to watch. Great Pinky, you came across as much more caring than the other woman. Cheers Judy --- Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out ACA tonight at 6.30pm, Pinky will be on about babies and sleep. Don't forget to write in and say you liked the segment ask for more of Pinky :-) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ Post Natal Services Conference 2007 Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Article on use of SSRIs whilst breastfeeding - benefits outweigh risks
http://www.obgynnews.com/article/PIIS0029743707700149/fulltext SAN FRANCISCO - All psychotropic medications are excreted into breast milk, but the benefits of breast-feeding generally outweigh the relatively small risks to the baby from antidepressants, Dr. Andrea J. Singer said. The nutritional advantages and the bonding that occurs between mother and child during breast-feeding outweigh concerns about antidepressant effects on the infant, she said at the Perspectives in Women's Health conference sponsored by OB.GYN. NEWS. The dose of antidepressant that the infant receives from the mother during breast-feeding is much lower than the dose received in utero because the drug crosses the placenta. If a mother and fetus have done well on an antidepressant during pregnancy, stick with that therapy after delivery. The decision is easy-just continue, said Dr. Singer, director of women's primary care at Georgetown University Medical Center, Washington. SSRIs are first-line therapy for lactating women with depression because they have the most data supporting safe use during breast-feeding and efficacy in treating postpartum depression. The aminoketone drug bupropion is a not unreasonable alternative, but the amount of data on it is far more limited, she said. Combining an SSRI with other supportive services is recommended for severe postpartum depression. There is no consensus for treatment of mild postpartum depression, Dr. Singer added. Consider psychotherapy either alone or with an SSRI for mild depression in lactating women. Dr. Singer is on the speakers' bureau of Pfizer, which makes the SSRI sertraline. Generally, sertraline is the treatment of choice for depressed lactating women because of the amount of data available on its use. The SSRIs paroxetine or fluvoxamine are first-line alternatives. Second-line treatment choices include citalopram and fluoxetine. Start with monotherapy when possible, she advised. The long-term impact of trace levels of antidepressants in infants is unknown. Most SSRIs and bupropion are rated Pregnancy Category C by the Food and Drug Administration. Tricyclic antidepressants fall in Category C or D. Most of my psychiatric colleagues don't look at labels so much as the amount of clinical trial data. There is far more experience with the SSRIs, particularly sertraline, she said.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on ACA TONIGHT - Channel 9
Ah Pinky, then you may not have heard Janet Hall say babies need to be left to cry for 20 minutes and parents need to be tough ;) Here's the transcript for those who missed it, the video might be on their site later: By Ben McCormack Sleep deprivation can test the most joyful of new parents - we talked to the experts about the best ways ensure everyone gets some sleep. At 3am Casey Peters is waking to her nightly nightmare. Her baby Miller refuses to sleep for more than a few hours at a time and like many new parents it has left Casey sleep deprived. It's very draining - exhausting - find yourself staring at the brick wall sometimes, she said. A recent survey has found new parents lose an average of 500 hours of sleep in a year. Sleepless mum Donna says she believes it. I don't think you're really aware of it until you're in that position in the middle of the night and you're looking at your baby thinking of all the things I have to do tomorrow - how am I going to get through that with only a couple of hours sleep. We've tried putting him in a cot beside the bed - we've tried having both boys go down at the same time - we've tried lots of different things, she said. Author Pinky McKay has been helping parents rest easier for years. Pinky is a mother of five, a lactation consultant, infant massage instructor and author of several parenting books including Sleeping Like a Baby. She says you should start by giving your baby some womb service and keep the room your baby sleeps in warm and comforting. Know your baby's cues. Know the tired signs - when is a baby sleepy and gets that glassy look in its eyes - it loses interest. That's the window of opportunity to take that baby to bed, she said. Pinky says you should develop bedtime rituals like: # A baby massage before sleep - a Miami University study has found that babies massaged for 15 minutes a night were falling asleep more easily after a month of their new routine. # A relaxing bath # Play lullabies or soothing music # Breastfeed to sleep if you can Other tips from Pinky # Cut out caffeine if you are breastfeeding - it may be keeping your baby awake. # Teach your baby night from day, keep lively chatting and bright light for daytime and lower the lights and use softer tones at night. # Give baby some mum in his or her cot by slipping an unwashed t-shirt over the cot mattress. It will hold your scent and comfort baby. # Try a top-up feed just before bed. Psychologist and author of How You Can Be Boss Of Bedtime Dr Janet Hall says parents need to let their baby cry so they don't learn bad habits. The joys of parenting far outweigh sleep deprivation at the end of the day. I recommend the twenty minute rule. Don't go in until twenty minutes have passed. Parents do have to be tough - tough with themselves. Don't think you have to be super-parent who has to be there at every beckon and call of your baby - learn that if you don't pay up every time, they'll respect you for it, Dr Hall said. Pinky doesn't agree. There's more and more evidence that the stress hormones that are triggered when a baby is left to cry it out alter the stress regulation mechanism in the baby's brain. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pinky McKay Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:55 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on ACA TONIGHT - Channel 9 Thanks Judy - I didnt get to see it as I had a private consultation last night. But I have read transcripts. Pinky - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on ACA TONIGHT - Channel 9 ACA was on after the cricket here so I saw the trailer and stayed to watch. Great Pinky, you came across as much more caring than the other woman. Cheers Judy --- Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out ACA tonight at 6.30pm, Pinky will be on about babies and sleep. Don't forget to write in and say you liked the segment ask for more of Pinky :-) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ Post Natal Services Conference 2007 Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] midwifery pay scales in OZ
Hi Shelly I have got the awards for Queensland and New South Wales. Although the New south Wales one is dated Dec 2004. These awards set out the working conditions and include the pay rates. I could send them to you of list if you would like. Alan _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michelle gascoigne Sent: Tuesday, 6 February 2007 06:38 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] midwifery pay scales in OZ I am searching the web looking at midwifery jobs in OZ. Most do not have pay scales. Do you have a standard scale in OZ? If so where might I find a copy of that? In England ours can be found by looking up Agenda For Change on the web. Most midwives are on band 6 which is currently £22,886-£31,004 per annum plus extra duty payment for weekends nights and on calls. That converts to about $57,775-$78,276. Thanks Shelly
[ozmidwifery] New Mailing List
Hi everyone, Well, after much work, we are finally ready to launch the new Ozmidwifery List. To make it easier for everyone, you will automatically be subscribed to the new list. This should happen tonight and to confirm your subscription you will receive a welcome message containing the details you will need to know in the future. The new features of the list include the option of a digest, putting your subscription on hold while on holiday, and the ability to send attachments. Also, although the new list will only appear in plain text, formatted text messages will no longer bounce. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] We hope you will enjoy the new Ozmidwifery List. Regards Kim List Admin - Kim Hunter List Administrator Birth International http://www.birthinternational.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] New Mailing List
Fantastic Kim, sounds great! Thank-you for all your hard work (and stress) over this! :) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Hunter Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:50 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] New Mailing List Hi everyone, Well, after much work, we are finally ready to launch the new Ozmidwifery List. To make it easier for everyone, you will automatically be subscribed to the new list. This should happen tonight and to confirm your subscription you will receive a welcome message containing the details you will need to know in the future. The new features of the list include the option of a digest, putting your subscription on hold while on holiday, and the ability to send attachments. Also, although the new list will only appear in plain text, formatted text messages will no longer bounce. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] We hope you will enjoy the new Ozmidwifery List. Regards Kim List Admin - Kim Hunter List Administrator Birth International http://www.birthinternational.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
