RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
I second Phytolacca. I had 2 bouts of mastitis. First very sick, antibiotics the works, 2nd time at sign of redness and pain took Phytolacca and fought it off without becoming sick. I got it from the local chemist that sold Weleda products but that was in NZ. Kirsten Student Midwife Darwin From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:11 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Try this as a starting point. http://www.kellymom.com/bf/concerns/mom/recurrent-mastitis.html#homeopathy - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:04 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Hi, I am working as a lactation consultant at the moment, and find it difficult to help women that have not had success with antibiotics for mastitis or fluconazole for thrush. How does one get hold of this Phytolacca? Do you have to see a naturopath? What is the correct amount to have? I would be very interested to hear about this. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message- From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 7:46 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question I fought off mastitis with a few hours of Phytolacca. I've seen it work complete miracles on chronic mastitis. J - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 5:40 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question I was 'lucky' to experience mastitis 1st hand with bub at 7 mths. I did hot packs massage before and during feeds, and did ice packs on/off afterwards. I also pumped the breast inbetween feeds, and took Phytolacca 30 homeopathic throughout the day. AT night I took 2 panadol ( I had fever, chills and felt deadly!!) and went to bed. I was right as rein in the morning and very proud that I avoided anything more dramatic such as AB etc.. From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:57:04 +0800 I usually advise clients to the old adage heat, rest, empty the breast plus cabbage leaves plus or minus homeopathic Brauers Antinplex (anti-inflamation) or belladonna 6c. Usually correct positioning and free access to the breast = no mastitis, however some women do have problems and I usually look deeper then. This has to be handled very carefully and even if I suspect underlying baggage I may not bring it up. MM Vitamin C (and/or homeopathics) would be my first choice before anitbiotics. Here's how I heard about it from a friend: A trick my midwife taught me for plugged ducts is to up your vitamin c. If you're just getting sore - and not a full fledged infection just taking 1000mg for a few days would be enough. If you get an infection take 4000mg of vit c and then 1000 every day for 7 days AFTER the infection is gone. Works beautifully. And it has worked wonderfully for me. I did take antibiotics (x2) when my 2nd daughter was a couple of weeks old and wish I had known about this then. With my 3rd daughter I used vitamin C only and it cleared it up quickly. Always would flare up on the days I had to walk daughter number 1 to school (overdoing it!). Cheers, Lea Mason, AAHCC Certified Bradley Natural Childbirth Educator Labour Support Professional http://www.birthsteps.com.au - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question where i work we encourage women to express on the side that they are infected and continue feeding on the other side until the infection clears, the infection should be treated by antibiotics and if severe admission to hospital for iv antibugs. if the breastmilk has blood in it we discourage any breastfeeding whatsoever and get the mother to express all feeds until the infection passes she then can resume b/feeding when she feels better but ensure that the breast is always empty after feeding. regards sharon - Original Message - From: Megan Larry To: ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Can a mother pass on her infecton to her breastfeeding child when she has mastitis? Its just that I had what to me was obvious mastitis on Sat, quite a decent case of it, very sore breast, redness, fever, vomiting, quite ill
RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
I was 'lucky' to experience mastitis 1st hand with bub at 7 mths. I did hot packs massage before and during feeds, and did ice packs on/off afterwards. I also pumped the breast inbetween feeds, and took Phytolacca 30 homeopathic throughout the day. AT night I took 2 panadol ( I had fever, chills and felt deadly!!) and went to bed. I was right as rein in the morning and very proud that I avoided anything more dramatic such as AB etc.. From: "Mary Murphy" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis questionDate: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:57:04 +0800 I usually advise clients to the old adage heat, rest, empty the breast plus cabbage leaves plus or minus homeopathic Brauers Antinplex (anti-inflamation) or belladonna 6c. Usually correct positioning and free access to the breast = no mastitis, however some women do have problems and I usually look deeper then. This has to be handled very carefully and even if I suspect underlying baggage I may not bring it up. MM Vitamin C (and/or homeopathics) would be my first choice before anitbiotics. Here's how I heard about it from a friend: "A trick my midwife taught me for plugged ducts is to up your vitamin c. If you're justgetting "sore" - and not a full fledged infection just taking 1000mgfor a few days would be enough. If you get an infection take 4000mgof vit c and then 1000 every day for 7 days AFTER the infection isgone. Works beautifully." And it has worked wonderfully for me. I did take antibiotics (x2) when my 2nd daughter was a couple of weeks old and wish I had known about this then. With my 3rd daughter I used vitamin C only and it cleared it up quickly. Always would flare up on the days I had to walk daughter number 1 to school (overdoing it!). Cheers, Lea Mason, AAHCCCertified Bradley® Natural Childbirth Educator Labour Support Professionalhttp://www.birthsteps.com.au - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question where i work we encourage women to express on the side that they are infected and continue feeding on the other side until the infection clears, the infection should be treated by antibiotics and if severe admission to hospital for iv antibugs. if the breastmilk has blood in it we discourage any breastfeeding whatsoever and get the mother to express all feeds until the infection passes she then can resume b/feeding when she feels better but ensure that the breast is always empty after feeding. regards sharon - Original Message - From: Megan Larry To: ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Can a mother pass on her infecton to her breastfeeding child when she has mastitis? Its just that I had what to me was obvious mastitis on Sat, quite a decent case of it, very sore breast, redness, fever, vomiting, quite ill. Still recovering on Monday when my breastfeeding 22 mth old developed a fever and vomiting. This morning he is quite recovered but no doubt will need a very quiet day still. So, is this a coincidence, or can the child become infected too? We were both rundown form a busy few weeks, so the rest was well needed, just wanted it without the misery. Thanks in advance Megan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
I fought off mastitis with a few hours of Phytolacca. I've seen it work complete miracles on chronic mastitis. J - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 5:40 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question I was 'lucky' to experience mastitis 1st hand with bub at 7 mths. I did hot packs massage before and during feeds, and did ice packs on/off afterwards. I also pumped the breast inbetween feeds, and took Phytolacca 30 homeopathic throughout the day. AT night I took 2 panadol ( I had fever, chills and felt deadly!!) and went to bed. I was right as rein in the morning and very proud that I avoided anything more dramatic such as AB etc.. From: "Mary Murphy" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis questionDate: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:57:04 +0800 I usually advise clients to the old adage heat, rest, empty the breast plus cabbage leaves plus or minus homeopathic Brauers Antinplex (anti-inflamation) or belladonna 6c. Usually correct positioning and free access to the breast = no mastitis, however some women do have problems and I usually look deeper then. This has to be handled very carefully and even if I suspect underlying baggage I may not bring it up. MM Vitamin C (and/or homeopathics) would be my first choice before anitbiotics. Here's how I heard about it from a friend: "A trick my midwife taught me for plugged ducts is to up your vitamin c. If you're justgetting "sore" - and not a full fledged infection just taking 1000mgfor a few days would be enough. If you get an infection take 4000mgof vit c and then 1000 every day for 7 days AFTER the infection isgone. Works beautifully." And it has worked wonderfully for me. I did take antibiotics (x2) when my 2nd daughter was a couple of weeks old and wish I had known about this then. With my 3rd daughter I used vitamin C only and it cleared it up quickly. Always would flare up on the days I had to walk daughter number 1 to school (overdoing it!). Cheers, Lea Mason, AAHCCCertified Bradley® Natural Childbirth Educator Labour Support Professionalhttp://www.birthsteps.com.au - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question where i work we encourage women to express on the side that they are infected and continue feeding on the other side until the infection clears, the infection should be treated by antibiotics and if severe admission to hospital for iv antibugs. if the breastmilk has blood in it we discourage any breastfeeding whatsoever and get the mother to express all feeds until the infection passes she then can resume b/feeding when she feels better but ensure that the breast is always empty after feeding. regards sharon - Original Message - From: Megan Larry To: ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Can a mother pass on her infecton to her breastfeeding child when she has mastitis? Its just that I had what to me was obvious mastitis on Sat, quite a decent case of it, very sore breast, redness, fever, vomiting, quite ill. Still recovering on Monday when my breastfeeding 22 mth old developed a fever and vomiting. This morning he is quite recovered but no doubt will need a very quiet day still. So, is this a coincidence, or can the child become infected too? We were both rundown form a busy few weeks, so the rest was well needed, just wanted it without the misery. Thanks in advance Megan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
Hi,
I am
working as a lactation consultant at the moment, and find it difficult to help
women that have not had success with antibiotics for mastitis or fluconazole for
thrush. How does one get hold of this Phytolacca? Do you have to see a
naturopath? What is the correct amount to have? I would be very interested to
hear about this.
Regards,Nicole.
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Janet
FraserSent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 7:46 PMTo:
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis
question
I fought off mastitis with a
few hours of Phytolacca. I've seen it work complete miracles on chronic
mastitis.
J
- Original Message -
From:
Kristin
Beckedahl
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 5:40
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis
question
I was 'lucky' to experience mastitis 1st hand with bub at 7 mths. I
did hot packs massage before and during feeds, and did ice packs
on/off afterwards. I also pumped the breast inbetween feeds, and took
Phytolacca 30 homeopathic throughout the day. AT night I took 2
panadol ( I had fever, chills and felt deadly!!) and went to bed. I
was right as rein in the morning and very proud that I avoided anything more
dramatic such as AB etc..
From: "Mary Murphy" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo:
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE:
[ozmidwifery] Mastitis questionDate: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:57:04
+0800
I usually advise
clients to the old adage heat, rest, empty the breast plus cabbage
leaves plus or minus homeopathic Brauers Antinplex
(anti-inflamation) or belladonna 6c. Usually correct positioning
and free access to the breast = no mastitis, however some women do have
problems and I usually look deeper then. This has to be handled very
carefully and even if I suspect underlying baggage I may not bring it up.
MM
Vitamin C (and/or
homeopathics) would be my first choice before
anitbiotics.
Here's how I heard about it
from a friend:
"A trick my midwife taught me
for plugged ducts is to up your vitamin c. If you're
justgetting "sore" - and not a full fledged
infection just taking 1000mgfor a few days would be enough. If you get an
infection take 4000mgof vit c and then 1000 every day for 7 days
AFTER the infection isgone. Works
beautifully."
And it has worked wonderfully
for me. I did take antibiotics (x2) when my 2nd daughter was a couple of
weeks old and wish I had known about this then. With my 3rd daughter I
used vitamin C only and it cleared it up quickly. Always would flare up on
the days I had to walk daughter number 1 to school (overdoing
it!).
Cheers,
Lea Mason, AAHCCCertified
Bradley® Natural Childbirth Educator Labour Support
Professionalhttp://www.birthsteps.com.au
- Original Message -
From: sharon
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent:
Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:24 PM
Subject: Re:
[ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
where i work we encourage
women to express on the side that they are infected and continue feeding
on the other side until the infection clears, the infection should be
treated by antibiotics and if severe admission to hospital for iv
antibugs. if the breastmilk has blood in it we discourage any
breastfeeding whatsoever and get the mother to express all feeds until
the infection passes she then can resume b/feeding when she feels better
but ensure that the breast is always empty after
feeding.
regards
sharon
- Original Message
-
From:
Megan
Larry
To:
ozmidwifery
Sent:
Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:03 AM
Subject:
[ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
Can a mother pass on her
infecton to her breastfeeding child when she has
mastitis?
Its just that I had what
to me was obvious mastitis on Sat, quite a decent case of it, very
sore breast, redness, fever, vomitin
Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
Try this as a starting
point.
http://www.kellymom.com/bf/concerns/mom/recurrent-mastitis.html#homeopathy
- Original Message -
From:
Nicole
Carver
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:04
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis
question
Hi,
I am
working as a lactation consultant at the moment, and find it difficult to help
women that have not had success with antibiotics for mastitis or fluconazole
for thrush. How does one get hold of this Phytolacca? Do you have to see a
naturopath? What is the correct amount to have? I would be very interested to
hear about this.
Regards,Nicole.
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Janet
FraserSent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 7:46 PMTo:
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis
question
I fought off mastitis with
a few hours of Phytolacca. I've seen it work complete miracles on chronic
mastitis.
J
- Original Message -
From:
Kristin Beckedahl
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 5:40
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis
question
I was 'lucky' to experience mastitis 1st hand with bub at 7 mths.
I did hot packs massage before and during feeds, and did ice packs
on/off afterwards. I also pumped the breast inbetween feeds, and
took Phytolacca 30 homeopathic throughout the day. AT night I took 2
panadol ( I had fever, chills and felt deadly!!) and went to bed. I
was right as rein in the morning and very proud that I avoided anything
more dramatic such as AB etc..
From: "Mary Murphy" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo:
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE:
[ozmidwifery] Mastitis questionDate: Thu, 27 Apr 2006
11:57:04 +0800
I usually
advise clients to the old adage heat, rest, empty the breast plus
cabbage leaves plus or minus homeopathic Brauers Antinplex
(anti-inflamation) or belladonna 6c. Usually correct positioning
and free access to the breast = no mastitis, however some women do have
problems and I usually look deeper then. This has to be handled
very carefully and even if I suspect underlying baggage I may not bring
it up. MM
Vitamin C (and/or
homeopathics) would be my first choice before
anitbiotics.
Here's how I heard about it
from a friend:
"A trick my midwife taught
me for plugged ducts is to up your vitamin c. If you're
justgetting "sore" - and not a full fledged
infection just taking 1000mgfor a few days would be enough. If you get an
infection take 4000mgof vit c and then 1000 every day for 7 days
AFTER the infection isgone. Works
beautifully."
And it has worked
wonderfully for me. I did take antibiotics (x2) when my 2nd daughter was
a couple of weeks old and wish I had known about this then. With my 3rd
daughter I used vitamin C only and it cleared it up quickly. Always
would flare up on the days I had to walk daughter number 1 to school
(overdoing it!).
Cheers,
Lea Mason,
AAHCCCertified Bradley® Natural Childbirth Educator Labour
Support Professionalhttp://www.birthsteps.com.au
- Original Message
-
From:
sharon
To:
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent:
Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:24 PM
Subject:
Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
where i work we encourage
women to express on the side that they are infected and continue
feeding on the other side until the infection clears, the infection
should be treated by antibiotics and if severe admission to hospital
for iv antibugs. if the breastmilk has blood in it we discourage any
breastfeeding whatsoever and get the mother to express all feeds until
the infection passes she then can resume b/feeding when she feels
better but ensure that the breast is always empty after
feeding.
regards
sharon
RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
Nicole I also managed to successfully treat all but my first round of Mastitis
(I had it 8 or 9 times I think) with homeopathics. But Phytolacca never worked
for me, usually I took either Conium maculatum or Belladonna). Personally I
would be seeing a homeopath to get the appropriate remedy for each case as
there are quite a few that can be used for mastitis, depending on the symptoms.
I guess I don't believe that it's a great idea to self prescribe homeopathics
any more than western drugs. I have a few homepathics which I use on my own
(belladonna and arnica for example), but generally I see my practitioner.
At 8:04 PM +1000 27/4/06, Nicole Carver wrote:
Hi,
I am working as a lactation consultant at the moment, and find it difficult to
help women that have not had success with antibiotics for mastitis or
fluconazole for thrush. How does one get hold of this Phytolacca? Do you have
to see a naturopath? What is the correct amount to have? I would be very
interested to hear about this.
Regards,
Nicole.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Janet Fraser
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 7:46 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
I fought off mastitis with a few hours of Phytolacca. I've seen it work
complete miracles on chronic mastitis.
J
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kristin Beckedahl
To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 5:40 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
I was 'lucky' to experience mastitis 1st hand with bub at 7 mths. I did hot
packs massage before and during feeds, and did ice packs on/off afterwards.
I also pumped the breast inbetween feeds, and took Phytolacca 30 homeopathic
throughout the day. AT night I took 2 panadol ( I had fever, chills and felt
deadly!!) and went to bed. I was right as rein in the morning and very proud
that I avoided anything more dramatic such as AB etc..
From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
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I usually advise clients to the old adage heat, rest, empty the breast plus
cabbage leaves plus or minus homeopathic Brauers Antinplex
(anti-inflamation) or belladonna 6c. Usually correct positioning and free
access to the breast = no mastitis, however some women do have problems and I
usually look deeper then. This has to be handled very carefully and even if I
suspect underlying baggage I may not bring it up. MM
Vitamin C (and/or homeopathics) would be my first choice before anitbiotics.
Here's how I heard about it from a friend:
A trick my midwife taught me for plugged ducts is to up your vitamin c. If
you're just
getting sore - and not a full fledged infection just taking 1000mg
for a few days would be enough. If you get an infection take 4000mg
of vit c and then 1000 every day for 7 days AFTER the infection is
gone. Works beautifully.
And it has worked wonderfully for me. I did take antibiotics (x2) when my 2nd
daughter was a couple of weeks old and wish I had known about this then. With
my 3rd daughter I used vitamin C only and it cleared it up quickly. Always
would flare up on the days I had to walk daughter number 1 to school
(overdoing it!).
Cheers,
Lea Mason, AAHCC
Certified Bradley® Natural Childbirth Educator Labour Support Professional
http://www.birthsteps.com.au/http://www.birthsteps.com.au
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]sharon
To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
where i work we encourage women to express on the side that they are infected
and continue feeding on the other side until the infection clears, the
infection should be treated by antibiotics and if severe admission to hospital
for iv antibugs. if the breastmilk has blood in it we discourage any
breastfeeding whatsoever and get the mother to express all feeds until the
infection passes she then can resume b/feeding when she feels better but
ensure that the breast is always empty after feeding.
regards sharon
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
Nicole, how do you get a doctor to prescribe fluconazole for thrush???I have it again, and am going down the whole daktarin oral gel route again, plus vinegar to soak the dummies in when not in use. JoOn 27/04/2006, at 6:04 PM, Nicole Carver wrote:Hi,I am working as a lactation consultant at the moment, and find it difficult to help women that have not had success with antibiotics for mastitis or fluconazole for thrush. How does one get hold of this Phytolacca? Do you have to see a naturopath? What is the correct amount to have? I would be very interested to hear about this.Regards,Nicole.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
Hi Jo, I work at a hospital with RMOs who will prescribe it for us. We also have a very supportive pharmacy which subsidises the cost. A lactation consultant may be able to help you find a doctor who will prescribe it for you. Currently we only prescribe three doses of 150mgon alternate days. However, I don't think it is really enough. Some other places prescribe a loading dose and then daily doses for ten days. I have a reference at work I can get for you if you need it. Regards,Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jo WatsonSent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:33 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis questionNicole, how do you get a doctor to prescribe fluconazole for thrush??? I have it again, and am going down the whole daktarin oral gel route again, plus vinegar to soak the dummies in when not in use. Jo On 27/04/2006, at 6:04 PM, Nicole Carver wrote: Hi, I am working as a lactation consultant at the moment, and find it difficult to help women that have not had success with antibiotics for mastitis or fluconazole for thrush. How does one get hold of this Phytolacca? Do you have to see a naturopath? What is the correct amount to have? I would be very interested to hear about this. Regards,Nicole.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question
Also, when dealing with thrush diet seems very important, as does making sure baby is treated too, regardless of symptoms. Having suffered it with three babies, I didn't have any success until I treated them with daktarin gel as well, and also applied it tomy nipples after each feed.. However, the manufacturers are now saying that it cannot be given prior to six months, due to a problem with babies gagging on it.I am happy to give it if I apply it carefully, not just putting a 1/4 tsp in the mouth and expecting the baby to deal with it. The diet is a low sugar, low yeast one. Includes avoiding added sugar and high sugar containing foods, bread, vegemite, dried fruit, alcohol, peanuts, grapes, canteloupe. Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jo WatsonSent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:33 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis questionNicole, how do you get a doctor to prescribe fluconazole for thrush??? I have it again, and am going down the whole daktarin oral gel route again, plus vinegar to soak the dummies in when not in use. Jo On 27/04/2006, at 6:04 PM, Nicole Carver wrote: Hi, I am working as a lactation consultant at the moment, and find it difficult to help women that have not had success with antibiotics for mastitis or fluconazole for thrush. How does one get hold of this Phytolacca? Do you have to see a naturopath? What is the correct amount to have? I would be very interested to hear about this. Regards,Nicole.
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Thanks, Nicole. I'm trying to stick to a good low sugar/yeast diet.:)JoOn 28/04/2006, at 5:23 AM, Nicole Carver wrote: Also, when dealing with thrush diet seems very important, as does making sure baby is treated too, regardless of symptoms. Having suffered it with three babies, I didn't have any success until I treated them with daktarin gel as well, and also applied it to my nipples after each feed.. However, the manufacturers are now saying that it cannot be given prior to six months, due to a problem with babies gagging on it.I am happy to give it if I apply it carefully, not just putting a 1/4 tsp in the mouth and expecting the baby to deal with it. The diet is a low sugar, low yeast one. Includes avoiding added sugar and high sugar containing foods, bread, vegemite, dried fruit, alcohol, peanuts, grapes, canteloupe. Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jo WatsonSent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:33 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis questionNicole, how do you get a doctor to prescribe fluconazole for thrush???I have it again, and am going down the whole daktarin oral gel route again, plus vinegar to soak the dummies in when not in use. JoOn 27/04/2006, at 6:04 PM, Nicole Carver wrote: Hi,I am working as a lactation consultant at the moment, and find it difficult to help women that have not had success with antibiotics for mastitis or fluconazole for thrush. How does one get hold of this Phytolacca? Do you have to see a naturopath? What is the correct amount to have? I would be very interested to hear about this.Regards,Nicole.
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Title: Mastitis question Vitamin C (and/or homeopathics) would be my first choice before anitbiotics. Here's how I heard about it from a friend: "A trick my midwife taught me for plugged ducts is to up your vitamin c. If you're justgetting "sore" - and not a full fledged infection just taking 1000mgfor a few days would be enough. If you get an infection take 4000mgof vit c and then 1000 every day for 7 days AFTER the infection isgone. Works beautifully." And it has worked wonderfully for me. I did take antibiotics (x2) when my 2nd daughter was a couple of weeks old and wish I had known about this then. With my 3rd daughter I used vitamin C only and it cleared it up quickly. Always would flare up on the days I had to walk daughter number 1 to school (overdoing it!). Cheers, Lea Mason, AAHCCCertified Bradley® Natural Childbirth Educator Labour Support Professionalhttp://www.birthsteps.com.au - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question where i work we encourage women to express on the side that they are infected and continue feeding on the other side until the infection clears, the infection should be treated by antibiotics and if severe admission to hospital for iv antibugs. if the breastmilk has blood in it we discourage any breastfeeding whatsoever and get the mother to express all feeds until the infection passes she then can resume b/feeding when she feels better but ensure that the breast is always empty after feeding. regards sharon - Original Message - From: Megan Larry To: ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Can a mother pass on her infecton to her breastfeeding child when she has mastitis? Its just that I had what to me was obvious mastitis on Sat, quite a decent case of it, very sore breast, redness, fever, vomiting, quite ill. Still recovering on Monday when my breastfeeding 22 mth old developed a fever and vomiting. This morning he is quite recovered but no doubt will need a very quiet day still. So, is this a coincidence, or can the child become infected too? We were both rundown form a busy few weeks, so the rest was well needed, just wanted it without the misery. Thanks in advance Megan
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Title: Mastitis question I usually advise clients to the old adage heat, rest, empty the breast plus cabbage leaves plus or minus homeopathic Brauers Antinplex (anti-inflamation) or belladonna 6c. Usually correct positioning and free access to the breast = no mastitis, however some women do have problems and I usually look deeper then. This has to be handled very carefully and even if I suspect underlying baggage I may not bring it up. MM Vitamin C (and/or homeopathics) would be my first choice before anitbiotics. Here's how I heard about it from a friend: A trick my midwife taught me for plugged ducts is to up your vitamin c. If you're just getting sore - and not a full fledged infection just taking 1000mg for a few days would be enough. If you get an infection take 4000mg of vit c and then 1000 every day for 7 days AFTER the infection is gone. Works beautifully. And it has worked wonderfully for me. I did take antibiotics (x2) when my 2nd daughter was a couple of weeks old and wish I had known about this then. With my 3rd daughter I used vitamin C only and it cleared it up quickly. Always would flare up on the days I had to walk daughter number 1 to school (overdoing it!). Cheers, Lea Mason, AAHCC Certified Bradley Natural Childbirth Educator Labour Support Professional http://www.birthsteps.com.au - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question where i work we encourage women to express on the side that they are infected and continue feeding on the other side until the infection clears, the infection should be treated by antibiotics and if severe admission to hospital for iv antibugs. if the breastmilk has blood in it we discourage any breastfeeding whatsoever and get the mother to express all feeds until the infection passes she then can resume b/feeding when she feels better but ensure that the breast is always empty after feeding. regards sharon - Original Message - From: Megan Larry To: ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Can a mother pass on her infecton to her breastfeeding child when she has mastitis? Its just that I had what to me was obvious mastitis on Sat, quite a decent case of it, very sore breast, redness, fever, vomiting, quite ill. Still recovering on Monday when my breastfeeding 22 mth old developed a fever and vomiting. This morning he is quite recovered but no doubt will need a very quiet day still. So, is this a coincidence, or can the child become infected too? We were both rundown form a busy few weeks, so the rest was well needed, just wanted it without the misery. Thanks in advance Megan
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Got onto 'kellymom'. They are suggesting you wake baby 2/24 during the day and 4/24 at night. This does not sit well with me. Babies need a minium of 6 feeds in 24hrs, and can feed hourly if they want, but I don't believe waking them is such a good idea, unless there is a reason such as poor weight gain, jaundice, lack of wet nappies. Kellymom also states babies loose 7% of birth weight. They can loose double this, and one should look at output and baby's behaviour and mum's supply before jumping in. I didn't bother further with this site. Maureen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vedrana Valčić Sent: Tuesday, 25 April 2006 3:24 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Could it be that you came down with both mastitis and some other infection, which your son caught? www.kellymom.com is a great site on breastfeeding, if you want to research further. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Bourne Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:57 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question My episodes of mastitis got less frequent after the first 3 months but I probably averaged at least one mastitis every 6 months for the entire time I was feeding (2.5yrs). Though my later mastitis were generally breast injury induced rather than infection and easily treated with homeopathics. At 12:36 PM +1000 25/4/06, Nicole Carver wrote: Hi, Normally you should breastfeed from both breasts with mastitis. The only exception, and I may stand corrected, is strep infection. The breast is very red, not your typical mastitis. It is very painful and you feel quite ill. I have not seen mastitis at 22 months. It might be precipitated by something else, as usually the feeding would be fairly trouble free at that stage, I would imagine. When a woman has mastitis the milk needs to be kept moving. Babies are best for that! Expressing is really just the tip of the ice berg. A little blood does not hurt. If the baby vomits a little blood there is no harm done. Obviously if there is a lot it would be best to discontinue for 24 hours or so. The breast must be emptied though, or you run the risk of abscess formation. Sometimes the antibiotics taken by mum will upset the babies stomach. However, I suppose they are also protecting them to some extent. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of sharon Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:24 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question where i work we encourage women to express on the side that they are infected and continue feeding on the other side until the infection clears, the infection should be treated by antibiotics and if severe admission to hospital for iv antibugs. if the breastmilk has blood in it we discourage any breastfeeding whatsoever and get the mother to express all feeds until the infection passes she then can resume b/feeding when she feels better but ensure that the breast is always empty after feeding. regards sharon - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Megan Larry To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Can a mother pass on her infecton to her breastfeeding child when she has mastitis? Its just that I had what to me was obvious mastitis on Sat, quite a decent case of it, very sore breast, redness, fever, vomiting, quite ill. Still recovering on Monday when my breastfeeding 22 mth old developed a fever and vomiting. This morning he is quite recovered but no doubt will need a very quiet day still. So, is this a coincidence, or can the child become infected too? We were both rundown form a busy few weeks, so the rest was well needed, just wanted it without the misery. Thanks in advance Megan -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Could you mail me the link to the article, please? I'm surprised that such advice didn't come with all the extra info you just provided. I didn't know about the 7% and 14% birth weight loss, never researched it. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Ward Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Got onto 'kellymom'. They are suggesting you wake baby 2/24 during the day and 4/24 at night. This does not sit well with me. Babies need a minium of 6 feeds in 24hrs, and can feed hourly if they want, but I don't believe waking them is such a good idea, unless there is a reason such as poor weight gain, jaundice, lack of wet nappies. Kellymom also states babies loose 7% of birth weight. They can loose double this, and one should look at output and baby's behaviour and mum's supply before jumping in. I didn't bother further with this site. Maureen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vedrana Valčić Sent: Tuesday, 25 April 2006 3:24 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Could it be that you came down with both mastitis and some other infection, which your son caught? www.kellymom.com is a great site on breastfeeding, if you want to research further. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Bourne Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:57 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question My episodes of mastitis got less frequent after the first 3 months but I probably averaged at least one mastitis every 6 months for the entire time I was feeding (2.5yrs). Though my later mastitis were generally breast injury induced rather than infection and easily treated with homeopathics. At 12:36 PM +1000 25/4/06, Nicole Carver wrote: Hi, Normally you should breastfeed from both breasts with mastitis. The only exception, and I may stand corrected, is strep infection. The breast is very red, not your typical mastitis. It is very painful and you feel quite ill. I have not seen mastitis at 22 months. It might be precipitated by something else, as usually the feeding would be fairly trouble free at that stage, I would imagine. When a woman has mastitis the milk needs to be kept moving. Babies are best for that! Expressing is really just the tip of the ice berg. A little blood does not hurt. If the baby vomits a little blood there is no harm done. Obviously if there is a lot it would be best to discontinue for 24 hours or so. The breast must be emptied though, or you run the risk of abscess formation. Sometimes the antibiotics taken by mum will upset the babies stomach. However, I suppose they are also protecting them to some extent. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of sharon Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:24 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question where i work we encourage women to express on the side that they are infected and continue feeding on the other side until the infection clears, the infection should be treated by antibiotics and if severe admission to hospital for iv antibugs. if the breastmilk has blood in it we discourage any breastfeeding whatsoever and get the mother to express all feeds until the infection passes she then can resume b/feeding when she feels better but ensure that the breast is always empty after feeding. regards sharon - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Megan Larry To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Can a mother pass on her infecton to her breastfeeding child when she has mastitis? Its just that I had what to me was obvious mastitis on Sat, quite a decent case of it, very sore breast, redness, fever, vomiting, quite ill. Still recovering on Monday when my breastfeeding 22 mth old developed a fever and vomiting. This morning he is quite recovered but no doubt will need a very quiet day still. So, is this a coincidence, or can the child become infected too? We were both rundown form a busy few weeks, so the rest was well needed, just wanted it without the misery. Thanks in advance Megan -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Thanks for the replies so far, I have been breastfeeding for 8 years straight with 4 children. The last 2 children were/are demand fed. No rules! I have never had mastitis until with this child, once a year ago and then just now. I have had a number of blocked ducts over the years, but never has it gone to the next level. I really just want to know if children can become ill from a mother who has mastitis? My little bloke made a full recovery by late morning, so he was only unwell for 24 hrs. Normally he takes a couple days to recover as well. It has just had me intrigued, and I lean towards the comments that 'They' say it can't, but common sense infers that it is possible and/or had both mastitis and some other infection, which your son caught. Any further thoughts, Thanks again Megan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Title: Mastitis question I would second Nicole's advice regarding to continue feeding. I t is inflamation, leading to infection of the breast tissue, not the milk. The bub is by far the best expresser!! Some babies will refuse the breast with mastitis, this is because the milk becomes more salty, as the pressure at the inflamation causes some salts to move into the milk. Sue Cox, in her book, Breastfeeding with confidence, recommends increasing the dietary garlic as this masks the saltiness and some studies have shown a preference for strongly flavoured milk, I imagine the anti bacterial properties would also be beneficial.Rest is vital, Mum and babe should take the phone off the hook, lock the door and both snuggle in bed until better, apply cold compresses to the inflamed area and ibuprofen can be used to reduce the inflamation. Triggers can be being generally run down, pressure on the breast from tight clothes, bras etc, a change in feeding patterns, nipple damage. Many of which can occur at any time during lactation. Di (IBCLC) - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Hi, Normally you should breastfeed from both breasts with mastitis. The only exception, and I may stand corrected, is strep infection. The breast is very red, not your typical mastitis. It is verypainful and you feel quite ill. I have not seen mastitis at 22 months. It might be precipitated by something else, as usually the feeding would be fairly trouble free at that stage, I would imagine.When a woman has mastitis the milk needs to be kept moving. Babies are best for that! Expressing is really just the tip of the ice berg. A little blood does not hurt. If the baby vomits a little blood there is no harm done. Obviously if there is a lot it would be best to discontinue for 24 hours or so. The breast must be emptied though, or you run the risk of abscess formation. Sometimes the antibiotics taken by mum will upset the babies stomach. However, I suppose they are also protecting them to some extent. Regards,Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of sharonSent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:24 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question where i work we encourage women to express on the side that they are infected and continue feeding on the other side until the infection clears, the infection should be treated by antibiotics and if severe admission to hospital for iv antibugs. if the breastmilk has blood in it we discourage any breastfeeding whatsoever and get the mother to express all feeds until the infection passes she then can resume b/feeding when she feels better but ensure that the breast is always empty after feeding. regards sharon - Original Message - From: Megan Larry To: ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Can a mother pass on her infecton to her breastfeeding child when she has mastitis? Its just that I had what to me was obvious mastitis on Sat, quite a decent case of it, very sore breast, redness, fever, vomiting, quite ill. Still recovering on Monday when my breastfeeding 22 mth old developed a fever and vomiting. This morning he is quite recovered but no doubt will need a very quiet day still. So, is this a coincidence, or can the child become infected too? We were both rundown form a busy few weeks, so the rest was well needed, just wanted it without the misery. Thanks in advance Megan
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It is at the kellymom site. I was wandering around it, found the b/f bit, clicked onto the normal course of b/f then onto nursing your newborn. Have just had another quick look, and other articles seem ok. It is commonly accepted in Australia that babies can loose up to 10%, some literature says 15% of birth weight in the first couple of days. This is due to the fluid on board at birth and small amounts of colrustrum available. I have noticed that some units are very conservative and comp babies if weight loss is close to 10%, but to me this is unnecessary if all other factors are ok and only undermines mum's confidence. I agree that some babies need be woken, (my last would have starved herself, going up to 14 hrs one night when a week old), but babies should be treated as individuals, some want frequent snacks, others like a good feast now and again. as long as mum's happy, baby's happy and output good, who cares? Maureen. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vedrana Valčić Sent: Tuesday, 25 April 2006 6:28 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Could you mail me the link to the article, please? I'm surprised that such advice didn't come with all the extra info you just provided. I didn't know about the 7% and 14% birth weight loss, never researched it. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Ward Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Got onto 'kellymom'. They are suggesting you wake baby 2/24 during the day and 4/24 at night. This does not sit well with me. Babies need a minium of 6 feeds in 24hrs, and can feed hourly if they want, but I don't believe waking them is such a good idea, unless there is a reason such as poor weight gain, jaundice, lack of wet nappies. Kellymom also states babies loose 7% of birth weight. They can loose double this, and one should look at output and baby's behaviour and mum's supply before jumping in. I didn't bother further with this site. Maureen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vedrana Valčić Sent: Tuesday, 25 April 2006 3:24 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Could it be that you came down with both mastitis and some other infection, which your son caught? www.kellymom.com is a great site on breastfeeding, if you want to research further. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Bourne Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:57 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question My episodes of mastitis got less frequent after the first 3 months but I probably averaged at least one mastitis every 6 months for the entire time I was feeding (2.5yrs). Though my later mastitis were generally breast injury induced rather than infection and easily treated with homeopathics. At 12:36 PM +1000 25/4/06, Nicole Carver wrote: Hi, Normally you should breastfeed from both breasts with mastitis. The only exception, and I may stand corrected, is strep infection. The breast is very red, not your typical mastitis. It is very painful and you feel quite ill. I have not seen mastitis at 22 months. It might be precipitated by something else, as usually the feeding would be fairly trouble free at that stage, I would imagine. When a woman has mastitis the milk needs to be kept moving. Babies are best for that! Expressing is really just the tip of the ice berg. A little blood does not hurt. If the baby vomits a little blood there is no harm done. Obviously if there is a lot it would be best to discontinue for 24 hours or so. The breast must be emptied though, or you run the risk of abscess formation. Sometimes the antibiotics taken by mum will upset the babies stomach. However, I suppose they are also protecting them to some extent. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of sharon Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:24 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question where i work we encourage women to express on the side that they are infected and continue feeding on the other side until the infection clears, the infection should be treated by antibiotics and if severe admission to hospital for iv antibugs. if the breastmilk has blood in it we discourage any breastfeeding whatsoever and get the mother to express all feeds until the infection passes she then can resume b/feeding when she feels better but ensure that the breast is always empty after feeding. regards sharon - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Megan Larry To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis
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Megan.. I usually lurk here but just wanted to tell of my experience... I have had one bout of mastitis with symptoms just as you describe. flu-like fever, nausea, vomiting, dizziness. VERY painful reddened breast, quick onset... with the added thick (arghh), blood tinged pale green milk (sorry for graphic description)... I kept feeding my then 10 mth old, expressing and enlisting the help of her older brother who is always very keen to help out when needed I ended up getting AB's because this just seemed a little too severe and the milk was a difficult consistency to express.. I recovered very quickly 1-2 days and the children experienced no adverse effects.. (I didn't show them the milk :-) I know of a woman recently who had a nasty salmonella infection at time of birthing and baby ended up with it too (don't know much about the case but should find out) I don't know if this was whilst inutero or through breastfeeding or by other means, such as, simply contact with infected person. I'm sure you have explored all possible scenarios. :-) You sound like you got hit by the express version of the mastitis bus like me and that these symptoms were due to this event rather than another concurrent illness. Your dear boy might have simply got an upset tummy from your altered milkor he did what kids tend to do from time to time and that is suffer a quick 24 hr virus unrelated to you. I would assume that feeding throughout 'simple' illnesses would be fine with no adverse effects to baby, I haven't heard of any mother / baby separation (aka quarantine) incidences This is a very interesting question and it would be interesting to hear what the LC's recommend in regards to continued breastfeeding with various maternal (local systemic) infections. back to my lurking. Trudi interesting question - Original Message - From: Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 6:17 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Thanks for the replies so far, I have been breastfeeding for 8 years straight with 4 children. The last 2 children were/are demand fed. No rules! I have never had mastitis until with this child, once a year ago and then just now. I have had a number of blocked ducts over the years, but never has it gone to the next level. I really just want to know if children can become ill from a mother who has mastitis? My little bloke made a full recovery by late morning, so he was only unwell for 24 hrs. Normally he takes a couple days to recover as well. It has just had me intrigued, and I lean towards the comments that 'They' say it can't, but common sense infers that it is possible and/or had both mastitis and some other infection, which your son caught. Any further thoughts, Thanks again Megan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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I started doing a Lactation Advisor course at the end of my pregnancy last year, and I remember that with mastitis, no matter what is coming out (blood or pus or whatever) the baby should still be breastfeeding directly. They are better than any breast pump around, and the milk will contain extra immunities to whatever infection is in it. So, while the baby may get a touch of something, he will also get extra antibodies against the infection. Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hi, Trudi, Most *bugs* aren't necessarily passed to the baby through the milk - if they are passed to the baby it's through the normal contact mothers have with their babies, regardless of how they are fed. The mother's body begins to make antibodies which are passed through the milk to protect the baby to some extent from what the mum has. It can be tough caring for a baby when you are sick, but even tougher when you are not breastfeeding. So I don't know of any situation where ceasing to breastfeed would be a good option Barb - Original Message - From: Scott Trudi Kluge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Megan.. I usually lurk here but just wanted to tell of my experience... I have had one bout of mastitis with symptoms just as you describe. flu-like fever, nausea, vomiting, dizziness. VERY painful reddened breast, quick onset... with the added thick (arghh), blood tinged pale green milk (sorry for graphic description)... I kept feeding my then 10 mth old, expressing and enlisting the help of her older brother who is always very keen to help out when needed I ended up getting AB's because this just seemed a little too severe and the milk was a difficult consistency to express.. I recovered very quickly 1-2 days and the children experienced no adverse effects.. (I didn't show them the milk :-) I know of a woman recently who had a nasty salmonella infection at time of birthing and baby ended up with it too (don't know much about the case but should find out) I don't know if this was whilst inutero or through breastfeeding or by other means, such as, simply contact with infected person. I'm sure you have explored all possible scenarios. :-) You sound like you got hit by the express version of the mastitis bus like me and that these symptoms were due to this event rather than another concurrent illness. Your dear boy might have simply got an upset tummy from your altered milkor he did what kids tend to do from time to time and that is suffer a quick 24 hr virus unrelated to you. I would assume that feeding throughout 'simple' illnesses would be fine with no adverse effects to baby, I haven't heard of any mother / baby separation (aka quarantine) incidences This is a very interesting question and it would be interesting to hear what the LC's recommend in regards to continued breastfeeding with various maternal (local systemic) infections. back to my lurking. Trudi interesting question - Original Message - From: Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 6:17 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Thanks for the replies so far, I have been breastfeeding for 8 years straight with 4 children. The last 2 children were/are demand fed. No rules! I have never had mastitis until with this child, once a year ago and then just now. I have had a number of blocked ducts over the years, but never has it gone to the next level. I really just want to know if children can become ill from a mother who has mastitis? My little bloke made a full recovery by late morning, so he was only unwell for 24 hrs. Normally he takes a couple days to recover as well. It has just had me intrigued, and I lean towards the comments that 'They' say it can't, but common sense infers that it is possible and/or had both mastitis and some other infection, which your son caught. Any further thoughts, Thanks again Megan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Title: Mastitis question 'They' say it can't, but common sense infers that it is possible. We do encourage mums to keep on with the b/f, hopefully someone will have the answer. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Megan LarrySent: Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:34 AMTo: ozmidwiferySubject: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Can a mother pass on her infecton to her breastfeeding child when she has mastitis? Its just that I had what to me was obvious mastitis on Sat, quite a decent case of it, very sore breast, redness, fever, vomiting, quite ill. Still recovering on Monday when my breastfeeding 22 mth old developed a fever and vomiting. This morning he is quite recovered but no doubt will need a very quiet day still. So, is this a coincidence, or can the child become infected too? We were both rundown form a busy few weeks, so the rest was well needed, just wanted it without the misery. Thanks in advance Megan
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Title: Mastitis question where i work we encourage women to express on the side that they are infected and continue feeding on the other side until the infection clears, the infection should be treated by antibiotics and if severe admission to hospital for iv antibugs. if the breastmilk has blood in it we discourage any breastfeeding whatsoever and get the mother to express all feeds until the infection passes she then can resume b/feeding when she feels better but ensure that the breast is always empty after feeding. regards sharon - Original Message - From: Megan Larry To: ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Can a mother pass on her infecton to her breastfeeding child when she has mastitis? Its just that I had what to me was obvious mastitis on Sat, quite a decent case of it, very sore breast, redness, fever, vomiting, quite ill. Still recovering on Monday when my breastfeeding 22 mth old developed a fever and vomiting. This morning he is quite recovered but no doubt will need a very quiet day still. So, is this a coincidence, or can the child become infected too? We were both rundown form a busy few weeks, so the rest was well needed, just wanted it without the misery. Thanks in advance Megan
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Title: Mastitis question Hi, Normally you should breastfeed from both breasts with mastitis. The only exception, and I may stand corrected, is strep infection. The breast is very red, not your typical mastitis. It is verypainful and you feel quite ill. I have not seen mastitis at 22 months. It might be precipitated by something else, as usually the feeding would be fairly trouble free at that stage, I would imagine.When a woman has mastitis the milk needs to be kept moving. Babies are best for that! Expressing is really just the tip of the ice berg. A little blood does not hurt. If the baby vomits a little blood there is no harm done. Obviously if there is a lot it would be best to discontinue for 24 hours or so. The breast must be emptied though, or you run the risk of abscess formation. Sometimes the antibiotics taken by mum will upset the babies stomach. However, I suppose they are also protecting them to some extent. Regards,Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of sharonSent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:24 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question where i work we encourage women to express on the side that they are infected and continue feeding on the other side until the infection clears, the infection should be treated by antibiotics and if severe admission to hospital for iv antibugs. if the breastmilk has blood in it we discourage any breastfeeding whatsoever and get the mother to express all feeds until the infection passes she then can resume b/feeding when she feels better but ensure that the breast is always empty after feeding. regards sharon - Original Message - From: Megan Larry To: ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Can a mother pass on her infecton to her breastfeeding child when she has mastitis? Its just that I had what to me was obvious mastitis on Sat, quite a decent case of it, very sore breast, redness, fever, vomiting, quite ill. Still recovering on Monday when my breastfeeding 22 mth old developed a fever and vomiting. This morning he is quite recovered but no doubt will need a very quiet day still. So, is this a coincidence, or can the child become infected too? We were both rundown form a busy few weeks, so the rest was well needed, just wanted it without the misery. Thanks in advance Megan
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My episodes of mastitis got less frequent after the first 3 months but I probably averaged at least one mastitis every 6 months for the entire time I was feeding (2.5yrs). Though my later mastitis were generally breast injury induced rather than infection and easily treated with homeopathics. At 12:36 PM +1000 25/4/06, Nicole Carver wrote: Hi, Normally you should breastfeed from both breasts with mastitis. The only exception, and I may stand corrected, is strep infection. The breast is very red, not your typical mastitis. It is very painful and you feel quite ill. I have not seen mastitis at 22 months. It might be precipitated by something else, as usually the feeding would be fairly trouble free at that stage, I would imagine. When a woman has mastitis the milk needs to be kept moving. Babies are best for that! Expressing is really just the tip of the ice berg. A little blood does not hurt. If the baby vomits a little blood there is no harm done. Obviously if there is a lot it would be best to discontinue for 24 hours or so. The breast must be emptied though, or you run the risk of abscess formation. Sometimes the antibiotics taken by mum will upset the babies stomach. However, I suppose they are also protecting them to some extent. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of sharon Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:24 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question where i work we encourage women to express on the side that they are infected and continue feeding on the other side until the infection clears, the infection should be treated by antibiotics and if severe admission to hospital for iv antibugs. if the breastmilk has blood in it we discourage any breastfeeding whatsoever and get the mother to express all feeds until the infection passes she then can resume b/feeding when she feels better but ensure that the breast is always empty after feeding. regards sharon - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Megan Larry To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Can a mother pass on her infecton to her breastfeeding child when she has mastitis? Its just that I had what to me was obvious mastitis on Sat, quite a decent case of it, very sore breast, redness, fever, vomiting, quite ill. Still recovering on Monday when my breastfeeding 22 mth old developed a fever and vomiting. This morning he is quite recovered but no doubt will need a very quiet day still. So, is this a coincidence, or can the child become infected too? We were both rundown form a busy few weeks, so the rest was well needed, just wanted it without the misery. Thanks in advance Megan -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Could it be that you came down with both mastitis and some other infection, which your son caught? www.kellymom.com is a great site on breastfeeding, if you want to research further. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Bourne Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:57 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question My episodes of mastitis got less frequent after the first 3 months but I probably averaged at least one mastitis every 6 months for the entire time I was feeding (2.5yrs). Though my later mastitis were generally breast injury induced rather than infection and easily treated with homeopathics. At 12:36 PM +1000 25/4/06, Nicole Carver wrote: Hi, Normally you should breastfeed from both breasts with mastitis. The only exception, and I may stand corrected, is strep infection. The breast is very red, not your typical mastitis. It is very painful and you feel quite ill. I have not seen mastitis at 22 months. It might be precipitated by something else, as usually the feeding would be fairly trouble free at that stage, I would imagine. When a woman has mastitis the milk needs to be kept moving. Babies are best for that! Expressing is really just the tip of the ice berg. A little blood does not hurt. If the baby vomits a little blood there is no harm done. Obviously if there is a lot it would be best to discontinue for 24 hours or so. The breast must be emptied though, or you run the risk of abscess formation. Sometimes the antibiotics taken by mum will upset the babies stomach. However, I suppose they are also protecting them to some extent. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of sharon Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:24 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question where i work we encourage women to express on the side that they are infected and continue feeding on the other side until the infection clears, the infection should be treated by antibiotics and if severe admission to hospital for iv antibugs. if the breastmilk has blood in it we discourage any breastfeeding whatsoever and get the mother to express all feeds until the infection passes she then can resume b/feeding when she feels better but ensure that the breast is always empty after feeding. regards sharon - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Megan Larry To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis question Can a mother pass on her infecton to her breastfeeding child when she has mastitis? Its just that I had what to me was obvious mastitis on Sat, quite a decent case of it, very sore breast, redness, fever, vomiting, quite ill. Still recovering on Monday when my breastfeeding 22 mth old developed a fever and vomiting. This morning he is quite recovered but no doubt will need a very quiet day still. So, is this a coincidence, or can the child become infected too? We were both rundown form a busy few weeks, so the rest was well needed, just wanted it without the misery. Thanks in advance Megan -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
