Re: [ozmidwifery] Hypnobirthing / slogan

[Jennifer Watkins]

Dear all :   The discussion about hypnosis and 
labour is interesting. I think it is so important that women feel that they have 
everything they need to take the journey through birth, without needing outside 
'help'.  I am just concerned about the emphasis on labour being pain-free, 
and thereby the association that experiencing pain in labour is a failure.  
(I am not suggesting that you are inferring this, 
Tracey).  
 
I have not been in on the slogan debate, and maybe it is over 
- but I would like to ask that we maybe steer clear of the "push" word.  
For women it evokes the breathe-hold-push your eyeballs out kind of thing they 
see on the telly - and I guess the slogan is being aimed at everyone.  
Instead maybe, 'opening the way to birth reform'.   Just ideas, Jen 
Watkins.
 - Original Message - 

  From: 
  Tracey Askew 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:08 
AM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] 
  Hypnobirthing
  
  I 
  work with a women who teaches the technique to women and their partners, and 
  has had mixed success. When it works, it is incredible to see how effortless 
  labour can be and has succeeded in preventing interference on many occasions, 
  when the onlookers think that labour has stopped when in fact it is 
  progressing beautifully. In its purest form, some practitioners say that it 
  can be used with anyone but it requires a solid belief and an ability to 
  let go of the fear of labour. External coaching seems to be important for most 
  people, to access that very deep state of relaxation. It tells us alot about 
  the power of breathing and relaxation, but I think unfortunately the fear 
  factor gets in the way and I wonder if there needs to be more emotional work 
  done prior to labour. None the less, it is worth looking into and would be a 
  worthwhile skill for any midwife. My third birth was pain free, as I 
  (unknowlingly) placed myself in a hypnotic state, and next thing I was 
  pushing. It was incredible.
  Tracey Anderson Askew
  
-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Debby 
MSent: Friday, 12 July 2002 4:57 PMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] 
Hypnobirthing

I have just started reading a book on "hypno birthing" which is a form 
of self-hypnosis through relaxation and visualisation.
 
The concept sounds wonderful but it is an American book and I was just 
wondering if anyone has experienced this first hand or supported a woman who 
has tried it in labour - and what did you think/ how did you find it?
 
Debby

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Re: slogan for NMAP

[Leisa Smith]

My favourite
 
Reclaim your Birthday with NMAP
 
Leisa

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sally 

  To: 'Macha McDonald' ; 'ozmidwifery' 
  Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:08 PM
  Subject: RE: slogan for NMAP
  
  
  Sally’s 
  shortlist.
   
  (Remember 
  what we are aiming to do is make a postcard.. with a strong visual image as 
  well. So that people will turn the postcard over in order to read some 
  information about NMAP)
   
  Reclaim 
  your birthday with NMAP
   
  Birth – I 
  did it Myself
   
  Birth – I 
  did it with NMAP
   
  Babies 
  are born – Pizzas are delivered.
   
  NMAP for 
  real Birthday choices.
   
  Push for 
  Birth Reform NMAP.
   
  Push for 
  Birth with NMAP
   
  Look 
  who’s Labouring for a Better Future - NMAP
   
  Advance 
  Australia -  Fair Birthing Options – 
  NMAP
   
  Giving 
  Birth to a Bright Future – NMAP
   
   
  So what 
  do you folks think..
   
  In peace 
  and joy
  Sally 
  Westbury

Re: slogan

[Justine Caines]

Alphia

I love it but I'm a lefto pinky lunatic!!! I agree it is not catchy enough
for NMAP but I have filed it in case I ever get the book I started written!!
(1 month before the insurance crisis hit!!).

I always remember Sue Cookson's posting on the origin of the word radical
(from the roots) call me radical anyday!

Justine Caines



> I realize that the way this is worded would not be catchy enough for a
> slogan- by the way all of the ideas are fantastic.  But I was reading some
> work by Karl Marx yesterday and there was this quote
> 
> "Man knows no more degrading or unbearable misery than forced labour"
> 
> Actually it is by Friedrich Engels- Marx's partner in crime.  But it just
> hit me that Women know no more degrading or unbearable misery than forced
> labour.  I dont know if it could work at all- but I just thought I would
> share it with all of you.
> 
> Take Care
> Alphia
> Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.)
> PhD. Candidate
> School of Sociology and Justice Studies
> Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney
> UWS Locked Bag 1797
> South Penrith Distribution Centre
> NSW 1797 Australia
> 
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> Fax: 02 97726584
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Fw: RE: slogan

[Rhonda]

  
  

   
   
  ---Original Message---
   
  
  From: Rhonda
  Date: Friday, June 28, 
  2002 19:28:48
  To: Macha McDonald
  Subject: RE: 
  slogan
   
  Isn't that funny - I was telling a woman about how I was treated 
  during the birth f my sin and what was said and done and her reaction was 
  this..
  "I came out here from Communist germany and that is what you would 
  have expected there 20 yrs ago - I didn't think that sort 
  of treatment was possible - Not in Australia, Not in this day and 
  age." 
  After that I can only wonder if maybe I was treated worse than anyone 
  else ever is or if our Ob's are communists after all?
   
  Just something to think about!
   
  Rhonda
   
  ---Original Message---
   
  
  From: Macha McDonald
  Date: Friday, June 28, 
  2002 17:18:44
  To: ozmidwifery
  Subject: RE: 
  slogan
   I think because of the stigma stuck to communism in our 
  capitalist society,ppl wouldnt appreciate being dictated to about 
  Marx, and most would neverhave heard the quote, or even of Marx. They 
  also may associate us withcommunists, which I dont think is a bad 
  thing, but others may. I like itthough.-Original 
  Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On 
  Behalf Of Alphia GarretySent: Friday, 28 June 2002 11:52 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
  sloganI realize that the way this is worded would not be 
  catchy enough for aslogan- by the way all of the ideas are fantastic. 
  But I was reading somework by Karl Marx yesterday and there was this 
  quote"Man knows no more degrading or unbearable misery than forced 
  labour"Actually it is by Friedrich Engels- Marx's partner in 
  crime. But it justhit me that Women know no more degrading or 
  unbearable misery than forcedlabour. I dont know if it could work at 
  all- but I just thought I wouldshare it with all of you.Take 
  CareAlphiaAlphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.)PhD. CandidateSchool 
  of Sociology and Justice StudiesBankstown Campus, University of 
  Western SydneyUWS Locked Bag 1797South Penrith Distribution 
  CentreNSW 1797 AustraliaPhone: 02 97726628Fax: 02 
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[Sally]

On Behalf Of Carroll Elizabeth
Sent: Friday, 28 June 2002 11:49
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: re: slogan


How about something like:  "Getting it right from the start?"


I like that... but I'm trying to steer away from right or wrong. Or
making any kind of implied promises... 

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RE: slogan

[Macha McDonald]

I think because of the stigma stuck to communism in our capitalist society,
ppl wouldnt appreciate being dictated to about Marx, and most would never
have heard the quote, or even of Marx.  They also may associate us with
communists, which I dont think is a bad thing, but others may.  I like it
though.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alphia Garrety
Sent: Friday, 28 June 2002 11:52 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: slogan


  I realize that the way this is worded would not be catchy enough for a
slogan- by the way all of the ideas are fantastic.  But I was reading some
work by Karl Marx yesterday and there was this quote

"Man knows no more degrading or unbearable misery than forced labour"

Actually it is by Friedrich Engels- Marx's partner in crime.  But it just
hit me that Women know no more degrading or unbearable misery than forced
labour.  I dont know if it could work at all- but I just thought I would
share it with all of you.

Take Care
Alphia
Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.)
PhD. Candidate
School of Sociology and Justice Studies
Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney
UWS Locked Bag 1797
South Penrith Distribution Centre
NSW 1797 Australia

Phone: 02 97726628
Fax: 02 97726584

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RE: slogan for NMAP

[Sally]

Sally’s
shortlist.

 

(Remember what
we are aiming to do is make a postcard.. with a strong visual image as well. So
that people will turn the postcard over in order to read some information about
NMAP)

 

Reclaim your
birthday with NMAP

 

Birth –
I did it Myself

 

Birth –
I did it with NMAP

 

Babies are
born – Pizzas are delivered.

 

NMAP for real
Birthday choices.

 

Push for
Birth Reform NMAP.

 

Push for
Birth with NMAP

 

Look who’s
Labouring for a Better Future - NMAP

 

Advance Australia -  Fair Birthing
Options – NMAP

 

Giving Birth
to a Bright Future – NMAP

 

 

So what do
you folks think..

 

In peace and joy

Sally
Westbury

re: slogan

[Carroll Elizabeth]

How about something like:  "Getting it right from the start?"



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slogan

[Alphia Garrety]

  I realize that the way this is worded would not be catchy enough for a 
slogan- by the way all of the ideas are fantastic.  But I was reading some 
work by Karl Marx yesterday and there was this quote

"Man knows no more degrading or unbearable misery than forced labour"

Actually it is by Friedrich Engels- Marx's partner in crime.  But it just 
hit me that Women know no more degrading or unbearable misery than forced 
labour.  I dont know if it could work at all- but I just thought I would 
share it with all of you.

Take Care
Alphia
Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.)
PhD. Candidate
School of Sociology and Justice Studies
Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney
UWS Locked Bag 1797
South Penrith Distribution Centre
NSW 1797 Australia

Phone: 02 97726628
Fax: 02 97726584

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RE: slogan for NMAP

[Macha McDonald]

Sorry this is so late...been busy.I just thought of a funny 1 that 
you probebly cant use, but its true.  Birth, I did it 
myself!

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Marilyn 
  KleidonSent: Monday, 24 June 2002 10:59 PMCc: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: slogan for 
  NMAP
  Did any of the rest of you get 37 messages from 
  abdyesilkart They had ozmid on them and were all 
  hieroglyphics?
   
  Anyway, how does the following slogan grab 
  you
   
      
      Birth ~ I did it my 
  way
   
              National Maternity Action Plan ~ 
  Birth Choices
   
  marilyn
  
--- 
  

nmap slogan

[Larissa & Tim]

How about
 
NMAP - Empowering Women with 
Choice
 
Hugs, Larissa
"How can you have too 
many babies?That's like having too many flowers."~Mother 
Theresa~

Slogan

[Jackie Doolan]

Best birthdays need 'best practice' ... support the NMAP - directed at
health professionals

Personalise rather than specialize your baby's birthday ...  support the
NMAP - directed at child birthing women
 
Cheers,
Jackie Doolan

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Slogan

[Darren Sunn]

  theres certainly some interesting slogans being put forward.
   
  While web touring I came across the International Confederation of 
  Midwives Site.
  They have a very nice slogan:
   
  Healthy WomenHealthy BabiesHealthy 
  Nations
   
  Darren





	
	
	
	
	
	
	




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Re: slogan

[Leisa Smith]

Go Sally!!!
 
Leisa

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sally 

  To: Ozmidwifery 
  Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 6:17 PM
  Subject: FW: slogan
  
  
  RECLAIM 
  YOUR BIRTHDAY
   
  NATIONAL 
  MATERNITY ACTION PLAN
   
  I think 
  this one rocks!!
   
  In peace 
  and joy
  Sally 
  Westbury
   
  -Original 
  Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, 
  23 June 2002 
  12:07To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: slogan
   
  
  I'm PLEASED TO SEE EVERYONE HAVING 
  A GO i LIKE THE WORD RECLAIMING so you creative people come up with 
  something 
  
   
  
  ie NMAP RECLAIMING 
  BIRTH  

Re: slogan for NMAP

[Barbara Howe]

There's been so many posts on this (plus that virus
like post 30 times), that I haven't opened every one,
but I am concerned about language.

Avoiding polarisation of the two professions has been
mentioned, but blaming women is not helpful, and can
polarise. If finger pointing, you could substitute
midwives in this statement below. Midwives and other
HPs do not always demonstrate faith in women and birth
and that influences how women feel -there's a useful
quote at the bottom of Tina's post I've left.

General statements about re-education, or trust, or
whatever, are all-embracing ... without saying women,
midwives, doctors, the community.. we are all in this
together.  

Barbara



 wrote: > I agree there has to be re-educating the
women and
> the public that intervention is not always the best
> way to go!
> and that people have to have a little more faith in
> themselves and their body.
> Many thanks and with regards to all
> 




>   " As we trust the flowers to open to new life
>  - So we can trust birth"
>   Harriette Hartigan.
>  
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>  

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Re: slogan for NMAP

[Larissa & Tim]




Yup Marilyn, I got those emails 
too but I stopped counting at 20 ;)
I love that slogan!!!
I think it's great we have so many 
wonderful ideas.
Any news on your apppeal 
yet?
Hugs, Larissa

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Marilyn 
  Kleidon 
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 10:28 
PM
  Subject: Re: slogan for NMAP
  
  Did any of the rest of you get 37 messages from 
  abdyesilkart They had ozmid on them and were all 
  hieroglyphics?
   
  Anyway, how does the following slogan grab 
  you
   
      
      Birth ~ I did it my 
  way
   
              National Maternity Action Plan ~ 
  Birth Choices
   
  marilyn
  
--- 
  

Re: slogan for NMAP

[Marilyn Kleidon]




Did any of the rest of you get 37 messages from 
abdyesilkart They had ozmid on them and were all hieroglyphics?
 
Anyway, how does the following slogan grab 
you
 
    
    Birth ~ I did it my 
way
 
            National Maternity Action Plan ~ Birth 
Choices
 
marilyn

  --- 

Re: slogan for NMAP

[CHERYL JONES]

I agree there has to be re-educating the women and 
the public that intervention is not always the best way to go!
and that people have to have a little more 
faith in themselves and their body.
Many thanks and with regards to all
Cheryl  

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:53 
  PM
  Subject: Re: slogan for NMAP
  In a message dated 20/06/02 1:04:36 PM AUS Eastern Standard 
  Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  Dear friendsAll these ideas are interesting, but I want to remind you 
that it’s not about doctors.  The doctors have a monopoly of maternity 
service funding because the system is wrong, not because they themselves 
have done anything wrong per se.Midwives and doctors need to work together.  
Understanding professional boundaries is basic to getting a service that is 
safe and effective for the mothers and babies of our society.  One of 
the reasons we have such high rates of intervention, and surgical births in 
this country is that our midwifery profession is not autonomous, and is 
severely restricted.  So I don’t have a slogan on the tip of my tongue, but I 
won’t support anything that polarizes the two professions.Joy Johnston Hi all,fantastic Joy.couldn't agree more. 
  The NMAP is a plan from Australia's women on what they want in birth 
  reformlets be woman centred here in our approach, ignore the doctors, 
  ignore the midwives and put women and their 'push for birth reform' on the 
  agenda! This is one of Joy's slogans from a way back - I think its simple, 
  effective, and can be used beautifully in the context of the NMAP - as a 
  consumer led, political action for birth reform in this countryThe 
  NMAP - Australian women's 'push for birth reform' !!!My two bobs 
  worthYours in birth,Tina PettigrewBirthworksBachelor 
  of Midwifery Student and Independent CBE Convenor, Aust B. Mid Student 
  Collective.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BMidStudentCollective[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
  As we trust the flowers to open to new 
  life   
  - So we can trust birth"Harriette Hartigan.--- 
  

FW: slogan

[Sally]

RECLAIM YOUR BIRTHDAY

 

NATIONAL
MATERNITY ACTION PLAN

 

I think this
one rocks!!

 

In peace and
joy

Sally
Westbury

 

-Original
Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, 23
 June 2002 12:07
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: slogan

 



I'm PLEASED TO SEE EVERYONE HAVING A
GO i LIKE THE WORD RECLAIMING so you creative people come up with
something 





 





ie NMAP RECLAIMING
BIRTH  

slogan

[jireland]

I'm PLEASED TO SEE EVERYONE HAVING A GO i LIKE THE 
WORD RECLAIMING so you creative people come up with something 
 
ie NMAP RECLAIMING 
BIRTH  

slogan for NMAP

[lyn kelson]

Another suggestion for a slogan,
 
Value birth. Support the National Maternity Action Plan.
Lyn

RE: slogan

[Sally]

For Many Happy Birthdays

 

Support the
National Maternity Action Plan

Re: slogan

[Victoria Hadfield]

A few suggestions - really short and sweet. The kind of thing that you could
use as a tag-line on a postcard or letterhead.

Real. Birth.

Love. Birth. Life

Hold Life.

Embrace Life.

Embrace Birth - Embrace Life.

Reclaim? Own?

I like the last one - Embrace Birth - Embrace Life. It's short and sweet.
But most importantly, it isn;t TOO informative. In my experience, you don't
want a slogan that tells your target audience everything because then
they've got no reason to look any further. You want something that piques
their interest, but that they have to look closer to figure out.

My $0.02.

Regards,
Michael Jones
(fiance of midwife Victoria).



Michael Jones and Victoria Hadfield
Registered Nurse | Certified Midwife

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victoria)

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  - Anon

- Original Message -
From: "Larissa & Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: slogan


I like that one!!


  Want a Happier Birthday?



  Support the National Maternity Action Plan



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[Rhonda]

  My idea came through blank so I will try again...
   
  It was meant to say --
  A postcard or sticker with this on it,
   
   
    
  NMAP - Stands up for your rights
   
  [Picture of stick figures - one each side of a woman giving 
  birth.
   They are obviously supporting her (she is standing and has 
  smile on
       her face)  They have on their tops 
  "NMAP"  - they are sexless -    
      could be male or female.  (this 
  covers the sex issue) ]
   
  Under the picture it reads "One more push for birth 
reform"
   
  This puts the NMAP as supporting the human rights of birthing with 
  choice and in a visual and text message.  Slightly cleche but that 
  works too.
   
  Just my brainstorming.
   
  Rhonda.
  ---Original Message---
   
  
  From: Sally
  Date: Saturday, June 
  22, 2002 18:35:55
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: 
  SLOGAN
   
  
  The 
  ones that I really like are.
  
  STAND 
  UP FOR BIRTH REFORM
  
  PUSH 
  FOR BIRTH REFORM
  
  NMAP 
  –A BRIGHT FUTURE FOR BIRTH
  
  Look 
  who's labouring for a better future! 
  –NMAP-
   





	
	
	
	
	
	
	




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[Laurelle Williams]

Well said Joy.
Laurelle

At 12:56 20/06/02 +1000, you wrote:
>
>Dear friends
>
>All these ideas are interesting, but I want to remind you that it's not
>about doctors.  The doctors have a monopoly of maternity service funding
>because the system is wrong, not because they themselves have done anything
>wrong per se.
>
>Midwives and doctors need to work together.  Understanding professional
>boundaries is basic to getting a service that is safe and effective for the
>mothers and babies of our society.  One of the reasons we have such high
>rates of intervention, and surgical births in this country is that our
>midwifery profession is not autonomous, and is severely restricted.
>
>So I don't have a slogan on the tip of my tongue, but I won't support
>anything that polarizes the two professions.
>
>Joy Johnston
>
>
>
>-
>
>

There are only two ways to live your life.  
One is as though nothing is a miracle.  
The other is as though everything is a miracle. 
Einstein.



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Re: slogan

[Larissa & Tim]

I like that one!!

  
  
  Want a 
  Happier Birthday?
   
  Support 
  the National Maternity Action 
Plan

Re: slogan

[TinaPettigrew]

The 'push for birth reform' still gets my vote

how about..'Push for Birth Reform' - Support National Maternity Action Plan (NMAP)

Cheers Tina

Re: slogan for NMAP

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Has some one made a list of all these suggestions?
We need to try them on the uninformed as Rhonda suggested
Denise 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Rhonda 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 11:32 
PM
  Subject: Re: slogan for NMAP
  
  


  
Ok - leaving out Women in view of the male aspect -
 
"Look who's labouring for a better future!" And then you could add 
what you wanted in small print.  Funny - you tell people to look 
and they do!
 
---Original 
Message---
 

From: S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.
Date: Friday, June 
21, 2002 23:16:39
To: JoFromOz
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
    Subject: Re: slogan 
for NMAP
 
I would like to re-arrange all suggestions 
so Women come before midwives 
eg 

"Women and 
Midwives Labouring Together for a Better Birthing Future" instead 
of 
"Midwives and Women Labouring 
Together for a Better Birthing Future"
 
Also I appreciated Rhonda's 
comments, insights into marketing so for example I would reduce the 
above to a more succinct (or rather my mother would have told me it was 
repetitious if I had written it in a school assignment!) 

"Women and 
Midwives Labouring  for a Better Future" 

 
Denise 

 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  JoFromOz 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:18 
  AM
  Subject: Re: slogan for 
NMAP
  
  I think a combination:
   
  "Midwives and Women 
  Labouring Together for a Better Birthing 
  Future"
   
  My 2cents :)
   
  Jo
 

  

  
  


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[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Debby 
Congratulations on being  Very creative 
!Denise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Debby 
  M 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 9:53 
  AM
  Subject: Re: NMAP Slogan
  
  
  In line with Rhonda's commercial idea - here are a few (apologies if 
  there are any duplications here I haven't read everyone elses entries):
   
  War of the Womb
   
  Sharing, Caring, Birthing
   
  Reclaiming New Life
   
  My Body My Way
   
  Overcoming The Sound of Silence
   
  Advance Australia - In Fair Birthing Options
   
  Waltzing Midwifery
   
  Body and Soul - Modern Birthing Options
   
  Giving Birth to a Bright Future
   
  All things Birth and Beautiful
   
  To the Mother Born
   
  Debby M
   
   
   
   
   
  
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RE: slogan

[Sally]

Want a
Happier Birthday?

 

Support the
National Maternity Action Plan

RE: slogan

[Sally]

What about

 

Happier Birthdays?

 

Support
National Maternity Action Plan

SLOGAN

[Sally]

The ones that
I really like are.

 

STAND UP FOR
BIRTH REFORM

 

PUSH FOR
BIRTH REFORM

 

NMAP –A
BRIGHT FUTURE FOR BIRTH

 

Look who's labouring for a better future! –NMAP-

Re: re slogan

[JoFromOz]

I just don't like the word "BACK" in the slogan I think "Standing up
for Better Birthing" would be better :)

Jo

> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> 
> 
> 'Back to Better Birthing'just a thought as I Iove a bit of
alliteration...its just such a shame that Australia starts with an 'A'
otherwise I could have worked it in !
> 
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Re: NMAP Slogan

[Debby M]

In line with Rhonda's commercial idea - here are a few (apologies if there are any duplications here I haven't read everyone elses entries):
 
War of the Womb
 
Sharing, Caring, Birthing
 
Reclaiming New Life
 
My Body My Way
 
Overcoming The Sound of Silence
 
Advance Australia - In Fair Birthing Options
 
Waltzing Midwifery
 
Body and Soul - Modern Birthing Options
 
Giving Birth to a Bright Future
 
All things Birth and Beautiful
 
To the Mother Born
 
Debby M
 
 
 
 
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[Jo & Dean Bainbridge]

What we want people to do is read the plan and say 
"hey! that sounds wonderful!  Where can I go about getting meself some of 
that?"  We need to overcome the social notion that doctors (mainly those in 
private practice) offer the best.."I have my own private OB.  They are in 
such high demand I had to make an appoinment 3 yaers in advance!  My cs is 
already booked for 9am on the 8th July 2006"  (gee, who is a little synical 
tonight? sorry)  Now for some helpful (?) suggestions:
 
So we are trying to sell the notion that by 
implementing this plan, women will have the 'elite' of birth care; on the same 
notion it needs to be something that everyone should feel they can 
access...  conundrum... how do you market something that works on the 
notion that the individual is getting something SO special, a level higher then 
the classiest waiting room with the glossiest magazines?  
The benefits of the NMAP is the personal care; a 
healthier outlook on birth; birth without fear; increase trust/faith in birth; 

is it just fear of birth that women prefer the 
private ob care?  well for some I suppose it is the fear of birth that can 
be removed by elective surgery; for others it is the fear of what if something 
goes wrong (hmm...well we all know better than that, but hey!); and there is 
always the fact that having to wait in a crowded waiting room in a large 
hospital where sometimes your file can get lost and you find yourself sitting 
there for 4 hours before they notice, the different face/attitude from the 
different people you see each time, being a number bla bla blais not the 
most encouraging aspect of not going to a private ob posh office.  (Am I 
just rambling here or am I making any sense?)
I suppose it is perhaps an area in which you could 
promote the premium personal care without the premium cost.  Insurance 
premiums are HUGE for people who want health insurance solely for ob 
care...
I don't know if any of this is constructive, but I 
think we need to target the desire to be seen as 'special' during 
pregnancy.  I used to sell my independent midwife (sorry Deb...couldn't get 
a good enough price for you lovely!) by saying that she comes to my house and 
spends hours talking and so on.  I don't have to go out to the other side 
of the city, dragging my huge uncomfortable belly and 2 year old son, to 
sit in a waiting room to be questioned about the same old things that I have 
gone over a billion times already!  She gives massages and I feel like I am 
the most important person in the world.  She even taught my hubby to give a 
good foot rub!  Sod this whole ob thing!  Goodness, you pay through 
the teeth for insurance, then have to pay a gap and what for?  A 10 minute 
consult in which they were more interested in putting an ultrasound gadget on my 
belly than looking me in the eye and telling me I am going to 
wonderful.
Anyway, dear listers...this sleep deprived 
cynic is off to the land of la la for the longest time my baby will allow (2 
hours if I am lucky!)
 
Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 
08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith & love...

Re: slogan for NMAP

[Rhonda]

  Ok - leaving out Women in view of the male aspect -
   
  "Look who's labouring for a better future!" And then you could add 
  what you wanted in small print.  Funny - you tell people to look and 
  they do!
   
  ---Original Message---
   
  
  From: S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.
  Date: Friday, June 21, 
  2002 23:16:39
  To: JoFromOz
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: slogan for 
  NMAP
   
  I would like to re-arrange all suggestions so 
  Women come before midwives 
  eg 
  
  "Women and 
  Midwives Labouring Together for a Better Birthing Future" instead of 
  
  "Midwives and Women Labouring 
  Together for a Better Birthing Future"
   
  Also I appreciated Rhonda's 
  comments, insights into marketing so for example I would reduce the above 
  to a more succinct (or rather my mother would have told me it was 
  repetitious if I had written it in a school assignment!) 
  
  "Women and 
  Midwives Labouring  for a Better Future" 
  
   
  Denise 
  
   
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
JoFromOz 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:18 
AM
Subject: Re: slogan for NMAP

I think a combination:
 
"Midwives and Women Labouring 
Together for a Better Birthing Future"
 
My 2cents :)
 
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Re: slogan for NMAP

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

Orwould they go for  the less 
wordy
 
Women 
and  Midwives Labouring  
for Better Births! 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sally 

  To: Ozmidwifery 
  Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 10:44 
  AM
  Subject: RE: slogan for NMAP
  
  
  Actually 
  I think that the babies are born, pizzas are delivered is not about midwives 
  vs doctors but rather about women’s power. 
   
  Babies 
  are born by their mothers’ power vs babies are delivered by other peoples’ 
  power. 
   
  There is 
  some importance in the changing of language 
usage.
   
  But I do 
  agree about it not becoming a doctor vs midwife 
  issue.
   
  So.. lets think media … will the 
  media pick up… Midwives 
  and Women Labouring Together for a Better Birthing Future  
  
   
   
  I’m 
  doubtful…  
  
   
  I sort of 
  like  NMAP 
  - Australian women's 'push for birth reform' 
  
   
  Because 
  it gets the NMAP into the public mind and has that women’s focus and the media 
  will pick up on the push for birth reform theme I 
  think.
   
  But what 
  about a visual icon to go with that???
   
  In peace 
  and joy
   
  Sally 
  Westbury.
   
   

Re: slogan

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]

I personally like the Double meaning of Labouring 
ebing used instead of working /striving 
There is of course 
"NMAP, for Labours of Love!"
 
Or NMAP a labour of love!
 
Denise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jo 
  & Dean Bainbridge 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:18 
AM
  Subject: slogan
  
  I know that it is the National MIDWIFERY action 
  plan but I am a little unsure as to whether the slogan should specify women 
  and Midwives as suggested 
  "Midwives and Women Striving for a Better 
  Birthing Future"
  There may actually be doctors who 
  support this idea so again they are being marginalised.  Their argument 
  is always based on 'having the optimal outcome -healthy mother healthy 
  baby'.  Perhaps the slogan should just be generic: 
  Striving for a Better Birthing 
  Future
   
  (and please no one make comment about 
  the validity of the doctors so called optimal outcome, I am a firm believer 
  that the definition of 'healthy' needs to be addressed 
  majorally!!  I just think that  the slogan that excludes 
  could be seen as confrontational and that only makes it harder for support to 
  be obtained by this element of the birth care professionals.)
   
  good luck and cheers 
   
  Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES 
  SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 
  8388 6918birth with trust, faith & 
love...

Re: slogan for NMAP

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]




I would like to re-arrange all suggestions so Women 
come before midwives 
eg 

"Women and Midwives Labouring 
Together for a Better Birthing Future" instead of 

"Midwives and Women Labouring 
Together for a Better Birthing Future"
 
Also I appreciated Rhonda's comments, 
insights into marketing so for example I would reduce the above to a more 
succinct (or rather my mother would have told me it was repetitious if I had 
written it in a school assignment!) 
"Women and 
Midwives Labouring  for a Better Future" 

 
Denise 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  JoFromOz 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:18 
AM
  Subject: Re: slogan for NMAP
  
  I think a combination:
   
  "Midwives and Women Labouring 
  Together for a Better Birthing Future"
   
  My 2cents :)
   
  Jo

re slogan

[Melanie Gregory]

'Back to Better Birthing'just 
a thought as I Iove a bit of alliteration...its just such a shame that Australia 
starts with an 'A' otherwise I could have worked it in 
!

Re: Slogan for NMAP

[Andrea Robertson]

Hi Liz and listers:
>
>"Birthing the Future"

This one is already taken - Suzanne Arms uses it as a trade mark for her 
video "Giving Birth, Challenges and Choices".

How about something with the word "humanise/ing/ed" in it?

e.g.  "The NMAP - towards humanised birth for all"

That's the best I can do on a Friday afternoon after a heavy schedule!

Cheers

Andrea

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Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education

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[Sally]

NMAP –
Birthing the Future

Slogan

[Sally]

Hi Barb. 

I was thinking that if we came up with a slogan and postcard design that
it would be great to have this nationwide for the NMAP launch.

"NMAP - for a better birthing future"

In peace and joy

Sally

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[Rhonda]

  think this was meant for the list!
   
  ---Original Message---
   
  
  From: Vernon at Stringybark
  Date: Friday, June 21, 
  2002 10:18:17
  To: Rhonda
  Subject: Re: slogan for 
  NMAP
   Great idea Sally - may all the creative people on this 
  list contribute!  We definitely need some good PR when it comes to 
  the launch - a postcard is something we're considering tooI 
  look forward to seeing the inspirations from 
  ListersBarb
  From: "Rhonda" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 
22:13:59 +1000 (AUS Eastern Standard Time)To: 
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
    <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: slogan for 
NMAP
  I love the Pizza idea!Too brain dead tonight to 
be brilliant..Good 
Luck.LuvRhonda---Original 
Message---From: Sally 
 Date: Wednesday, 
June 19, 2002 21:55:55To: Ozmidwifery 
 Subject: 
slogan for NMAPPerhaps the collective wisdom here could create a 
fantastic slogan touse to launch the National Maternity Action 
Plan.We were toying with the idea of a postcard. So something 
that we coulduse with a fantastic visual image as well.For 
example: Midwifes and Women: Birthing Better Families. (I 
thought of this as a kind of dig at the governments Building 
BetterFamily strategy--- I actually don't think it is great at all 
but I'mtrying to stimulate some more creative person that 
I!!)OR for a visual.Babies are Born Pizzas 
areDelivered( with apicture of a pizza with tiny 
babiesall over it}(with a picture of a carefully nurtured 
baby.On the other side of the postcard information about NMAP. 
Perhaps spacefor writing and pre-addressed to the federal health 
minister to floodthem with our message.Help me... I've got 
no brilliant ideas here.In peace and joySally 
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RE: slogan

[Rod Arthur]

Me 
too.  It gets the message across in a very concise way.
 
Karen 

Hunter 
Homebirth Support

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mary 
  MurphySent: Friday, 21 June 2002 10:45 AMTo: Jo & 
  Dean Bainbridge; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 
  slogan
  Striving for a Better Birthing Future
   
   I really like that. 
MM

NMAP slogan.

[lyn kelson]

Hi All,

Some more options to consider for a possible slogan.Why not 
concentrate on the theme of togetherness and try something like, 
United in 
birth : women and midwives. 
or
Progress through partnership. 

Women and Midwives 
Reforming    Maternity Care.
 maybe even this,
Women: central to birth, central to 
midwives.
Thanks,
Lyn.
 

Re: slogan

[DebSlater]

Yes I too prefer "Striving for a Better Birthing Future".

I have a few reservations about using the term "women" in the slogan, as we immediately exclude 50% (approx.) of the population, of which many also have concerns about the state of childbirth today, and would wish to improve things.  We are still within a system which - like it or not - includes men in positions of influence, and if we have to change the system, then we need to play within the system, and we can't afford to potentially alienate a substantial portion of the people that we are trying to convince.  There are several prominent male obstetricians who have endorsed the plan, it it would be nice to see men figure in the launch of the Plan.

I know that many women consider birth to be wholly women's business - and I do not wish to denigrate those considerations.  However, my own personal feelings are that birth is not just a womens' issue - after all we give birth to boys, and how we birth them will influence their future - so men should have a vested interest in what we are all striving for.

We are in a post-feminist age now - to restrict this to a feminist issue risks raising barriers that we don't need.

These are my personal opinions of course, and I appreciate that others may not feel this way - but just felt I needed to speak up :-)

Debbie Slater
CBE
Perth, WA

Re: slogan

[JoFromOz]

Ok, how about "Labouring together for 
a Better Birthing Future"... leave midwives AND women out 
of it...??
 
Jo
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jo 
  & Dean Bainbridge 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:18 
AM
  Subject: slogan
  
  I know that it is the National MIDWIFERY action 
  plan but I am a little unsure as to whether the slogan should specify women 
  and Midwives as suggested 
  "Midwives and Women Striving for a Better 
  Birthing Future"
  There may actually be doctors who 
  support this idea so again they are being marginalised.  Their argument 
  is always based on 'having the optimal outcome -healthy mother healthy 
  baby'.  Perhaps the slogan should just be generic: 
  Striving for a Better Birthing 
  Future
   
  (and please no one make comment about 
  the validity of the doctors so called optimal outcome, I am a firm believer 
  that the definition of 'healthy' needs to be addressed 
  majorally!!  I just think that  the slogan that excludes 
  could be seen as confrontational and that only makes it harder for support to 
  be obtained by this element of the birth care professionals.)
   
  good luck and cheers 
   
  Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES 
  SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 
  8388 6918birth with trust, faith & 
love...

RE: slogan for NMAP

[Sally]

Actually I
think that the babies are born, pizzas are delivered is not about midwives vs
doctors but rather about women’s power. 

 

Babies are
born by their mothers’ power vs babies are delivered by other peoples’
power. 

 

There is some
importance in the changing of language usage.

 

But I do
agree about it not becoming a doctor vs midwife issue.

 

So.. lets think media … will
the media pick up… Midwives and
Women Labouring Together for a Better Birthing Future  

 

 

I’m
doubtful…  

 

I sort of like  NMAP - Australian women's 'push for birth reform' 

 

Because it
gets the NMAP into the public mind and has that women’s focus and the
media will pick up on the push for birth reform theme I think.

 

But what about a visual icon to go with that???

 

In peace and
joy

 

Sally
Westbury.

 

 

Re: slogan

[Mary Murphy]

Striving for a Better Birthing Future
 
 I really like that. MM

Re: slogan for NMAP

[JoFromOz]




I think a combination:
 
"Midwives and Women Labouring 
Together for a Better Birthing Future"
 
My 2cents :)
 
Jo

slogan

[Jo & Dean Bainbridge]

I know that it is the National MIDWIFERY action 
plan but I am a little unsure as to whether the slogan should specify women and 
Midwives as suggested 
"Midwives and Women Striving for a Better 
Birthing Future"
There may actually be doctors who 
support this idea so again they are being marginalised.  Their argument is 
always based on 'having the optimal outcome -healthy mother healthy baby'.  
Perhaps the slogan should just be generic: 
Striving for a Better Birthing 
Future
 
(and please no one make comment about 
the validity of the doctors so called optimal outcome, I am a firm believer that 
the definition of 'healthy' needs to be addressed majorally!!  I 
just think that  the slogan that excludes could be seen as 
confrontational and that only makes it harder for support to be obtained by this 
element of the birth care professionals.)
 
good luck and cheers 
 
Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 
08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith & love...

Re: slogan for NMAP

[S.J.F.ELECTRICAL.]





OR"Midwives and Women Working Together for a 
Better Birthing Future"
OR
 

"Midwives and Women Labouring Together to 
Birth a Better Future"
 
OR 
 

"Midwives and Women Labouring for a 
Better Future"
 
OR 
 

"Midwives and Women Labouring for  
Better Births"
 
OR

"Midwives and Women Labouring for  Safe, 
Loving Births"
 
OR 
"Midwives and Women Labouring for  Safe, 
Gentle Births"
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie 
  Clarke 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 8:41 AM
  Subject: Re: slogan for NMAP
  
  I was pleased to read Joy and Tina's comments on 
  this topic and I agree wholeheartedly with you both.
  In trying to appeal to a wider audience (the 
  public) and attract their attention and support, negativity is not the way to 
  go.
  Whenever one puts down another, they are not 
  successfully building themselves up.
  We need to point to the system and current 
  attitudes as wrong not doctors.  Doctors are just as much victims as 
  women and midwives are.
  Therefore my suggestion is to gain the 
  genuine support of the community through going back to the very 
  basics.
  "Midwives and Women Striving for a Better 
  Birthing Future"
   
  I think everyone would get the message right 
  away.
  hug to all
  Julie Clarke
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:53 
PM
Subject: Re: slogan for NMAP
In a message dated 20/06/02 1:04:36 PM AUS Eastern 
Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
Dear friendsAll these ideas are interesting, but I want to remind 
  you that it’s not about doctors.  The doctors have a monopoly of 
  maternity service funding because the system is wrong, not because they 
  themselves have done anything wrong per se.Midwives and doctors need to work together.  
  Understanding professional boundaries is basic to getting a service that 
  is safe and effective for the mothers and babies of our society.  One 
  of the reasons we have such high rates of intervention, and surgical 
  births in this country is that our midwifery profession is not autonomous, 
  and is severely restricted.  So I don’t have a slogan on the tip of my tongue, but I 
  won’t support anything that polarizes the two professions.Joy Johnston Hi all,fantastic Joy.couldn't agree more. 
The NMAP is a plan from Australia's women on what they want in birth 
reformlets be woman centred here in our approach, ignore the doctors, 
ignore the midwives and put women and their 'push for birth reform' on the 
agenda! This is one of Joy's slogans from a way back - I think its 
simple, effective, and can be used beautifully in the context of the NMAP - 
as a consumer led, political action for birth reform in this 
countryThe NMAP - Australian women's 'push for birth reform' 
!!!My two bobs worthYours in birth,Tina 
PettigrewBirthworksBachelor of Midwifery Student and Independent CBE 
Convenor, Aust B. Mid Student 
Collective.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BMidStudentCollective[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
As we trust the flowers to open to new 
life   
- So we can trust birth"Harriette Hartigan.--- 

Re: slogan for NMAP

[Julie Clarke]




I was pleased to read Joy and Tina's comments on 
this topic and I agree wholeheartedly with you both.
In trying to appeal to a wider audience (the 
public) and attract their attention and support, negativity is not the way to 
go.
Whenever one puts down another, they are not 
successfully building themselves up.
We need to point to the system and current 
attitudes as wrong not doctors.  Doctors are just as much victims as women 
and midwives are.
Therefore my suggestion is to gain the 
genuine support of the community through going back to the very 
basics.
"Midwives and Women Striving for a Better 
Birthing Future"
 
I think everyone would get the message right 
away.
hug to all
Julie Clarke

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:53 
  PM
  Subject: Re: slogan for NMAP
  In a message dated 20/06/02 1:04:36 PM AUS Eastern Standard 
  Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  Dear friendsAll these ideas are interesting, but I want to remind you 
that it’s not about doctors.  The doctors have a monopoly of maternity 
service funding because the system is wrong, not because they themselves 
have done anything wrong per se.Midwives and doctors need to work together.  
Understanding professional boundaries is basic to getting a service that is 
safe and effective for the mothers and babies of our society.  One of 
the reasons we have such high rates of intervention, and surgical births in 
this country is that our midwifery profession is not autonomous, and is 
severely restricted.  So I don’t have a slogan on the tip of my tongue, but I 
won’t support anything that polarizes the two professions.Joy Johnston Hi all,fantastic Joy.couldn't agree more. 
  The NMAP is a plan from Australia's women on what they want in birth 
  reformlets be woman centred here in our approach, ignore the doctors, 
  ignore the midwives and put women and their 'push for birth reform' on the 
  agenda! This is one of Joy's slogans from a way back - I think its simple, 
  effective, and can be used beautifully in the context of the NMAP - as a 
  consumer led, political action for birth reform in this countryThe 
  NMAP - Australian women's 'push for birth reform' !!!My two bobs 
  worthYours in birth,Tina PettigrewBirthworksBachelor 
  of Midwifery Student and Independent CBE Convenor, Aust B. Mid Student 
  Collective.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BMidStudentCollective[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
  As we trust the flowers to open to new 
  life   
  - So we can trust birth"Harriette Hartigan.---