Pentax Users Gallery, September 2001

[William Robb]

The September 2001 edition of the PUG is available for your
viewing pleasure.
Thanks to all the contributors this month, and to the PUG team.
William Robb

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Spotmatic service manual

[Adrian Sorescu]

Hello,

I have scanned (finally ) the Spotmatic service manual Fred Schoeder
sent me few years ago

I would like to make it public free of charge. Could it be hosted on
your site (you have also other service manuals ?I have free unlimited
internet acces here@work there isn't a problem uploading it anywhere.

I think it's a good idea to have all the manuals on the same site,
maybe in the future on Boz's site

For the moment the manual is just as  .bmp images Converting to PDF is
time-consuming What software did you used for that ? I have Recognita
5.0 trial version




  
cheers,
adi sorescu

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Re: Manual Pentaxes with mirror lock-up

[Bob Rapp]

I will post the results when known - as Jody will not (sic). Re: the South
Island, the South island starts south of Christchurch and extends down to
Bluff. As I mentioned before, "the South Island was made by the gods, for
the gods". Any visit will reinforce that statement.

Bob
- Original Message -
From: "PAUL STENQUIST" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: Manual Pentaxes with mirror lock-up


> I live in Detroit, and I have an All-Blacks jersey, or shirt, or
> whatever you call it down there. I remember watching them on television
> when I was in New Zealand. I didn't understand the game, but it was fun
> to watch them pound each other. Of course, like anyone else who has been
> to the south island, New Zealand is one of my favorite places on the
> globe. I guess that makes me an All-Blacks fan. Are we out of it? Did we
> lose? Keep us northern hemisphere fans up to date for God sakes, will
> you? :-)
>
> Bob Rapp wrote:
> >
> > I was tempted to forward this to all my Kiwi friends but I did not want
to
> > put your life in danger. Since Rugby and the All Blacks constitutes the
> > major religion in New Zealand, I didn't want to start a which hunt.
> >
> > Bob
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Jody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: Manual Pentaxes with mirror lock-up
> >
> > > Thanks for that. I will have to practice on my
> > > Spotmatic sometime. I tried a few times just then.
> > > Let's just say I am glad there was no film in it :)
> > >
> > > I don't know what the All-Blacks achievements are
> > > lately. I don't really care, it's just a game. I know
> > > they lost a big match recently. You can tell because
> > > no-one says a word about it. I think they have a lot
> > > of fair-weather friends. I am not such a hypocrite. I
> > > just consistently ignore them and eventually they go
> > > away :)
> > >
> > > Jody.
> > >
> > > --- Bob Rapp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Most mechanical Pentax's from the Spotmatic on could
> > > > be tricked into "mirror
> > > > lockup". To master it, cock the shutter and lightly
> > > > and quickly tap the
> > > > shutter release button. If you here a click, the
> > > > mirror swung up. Check it
> > > > in the finder and if blacked out, press the shutter
> > > > release again and the
> > > > shutter will fire.
> > > > It works on my Spotmatics, K1000, and MX.
> > >
> > > > How about the "All Blacks" the knocked over the
> > > > Spring-Box and Trail the
> > > > Wallabies in the Tri_Nations. For once, I would wear
> > > > my All Blacks jumper
> > > > for one week if the defeated Australia in the final.
> > >
> > >
> > > __
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo!
> > Messenger
> > > http://im.yahoo.com
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Re: New and exciting PUG submission information

[Tom Rittenhouse]

Now what I want to know is  What are you going to do with all that free time? 

--graywolf


William Robb wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> Very soon after I took over management of the PUG, I started
> looking at ways to make the gallery run better. In the past
> year, I have made several changes to the various elements within
> the gallery, always hoping that it will run smoother and with
> less effort.
> I quickly learned that while I had lots of ideas, I didn't know
> a heck of a lot about how this stuff works. I learned what I
> could about html, and when I didn't know something, I put the
> word out that I was stumped and needed help.
> Every time I have asked for help, someone on the list has come
> through to assist me. Ralf helped with the little bit of Java
> script, and taught me some things in the process. Igor has
> helped a lot with various details. Rob Studdert and Mark Roberts
> talked me through the web spider fiasco, and how to make a robot
> exclusions file, Roger Stockton gave me some pointers about html
> and web design, Jan van Wijk showed me how to mostly automate
> the production of the thumbnails, and I am sure I have forgotten
> several people who have pitched in with ideas from time to time.
> 
> Last September, I put forward the idea that a way to automate
> the submission process would be nice. Jostein Øksne came up with
> the idea of completely automating the process of making the
> gallery pages, which up to now have been put together by cutting
> and pasting the information sent via email into a template.
> 
> It is finally ready.
> Jostein's auto PUG submission form is ready to take submissions.
> There are still a few minor bugs to work out, it doesn't work
> with Linux yet, and Opera users have to do a bit more work, but
> it has tested successfully and we think it is ready to hit the
> market.
> 
> The URL is linked to the index page in the upcoming gallery, but
> if you want to bookmark it for future PUG submissions, it is:
> 
> http://oksne.net/autopug/PUGform.asp.
> 
> This is now the official submission method for the Pentax Users
> Gallery. Submission by email will still be accepted if
> necessary, but please, use the submission form if possible.
> Thanks again and big hugs to everyone who has helped out with
> this project, and especially Jostein, who really made it happen.
> Thanks
> William Robb
> 
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-- 
Tom "Graywolf" Rittenhouse
Graywolf Photo, Charlotte, NC, USA
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Re: Manual Pentaxes with mirror lock-up

[Paul Jones]

Its kinda weird in Australia, there is only really a strong contingent of
Rugby supporters in New South Wales and Queensland. I'm in Victoria where
most people follow Australian Rules Football. which is a totally different
beast.

I actually dont really care for  football or rugby, i'm more of a motor
sports person.

Regards,
Paul Jones


- Original Message -
From: "David A. Mann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: Manual Pentaxes with mirror lock-up


> Paul Jones writes:
>
> > The games tomorrow i think, All Blacks vs Australia. I hope you lose.
>
>  That's OK, I hope the ABs lose as well.  It'll be good for their
overinflated egos.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> - Dave
>
> David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec)
> http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
>
> "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up,
>  while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield
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Re: enabled again, plus Pentax 67 questions

[David A. Mann]

Doug Brewer writes:

> hmmm. Isn't 90mm more of a normal lens on a 6x7? It is about equivalent to a
> 45mm in the 35mm world, innit?

Yes.  It's a focal length I'm really fond of (my RB67 came with a 90mm f/3.8).  
I assumed the Pentax to be an outdoors portrait lens because they put a leaf 
shutter into it, perfect for fill-flash.  Probably not well suited to head-and-
shoulders shots though.

Cheers,


- Dave

David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec)
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

"Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up,
 while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield
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Re: Manual Pentaxes with mirror lock-up

[David A. Mann]

Paul Jones writes:

> The games tomorrow i think, All Blacks vs Australia. I hope you lose.

 That's OK, I hope the ABs lose as well.  It'll be good for their overinflated egos.

Cheers,


- Dave

David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec)
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

"Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up,
 while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield
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Re: New and exciting PUG submission information

[Maris V. Lidaka, Sr.]

You have done a magnificent job - thank you!

Maris

- Original Message -
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax Discuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 12:02 AM
Subject: New and exciting PUG submission information


Hi:
Very soon after I took over management of the PUG, I started
looking at ways to make the gallery run better. In the past
year, I have made several changes to the various elements within
the gallery, always hoping that it will run smoother and with
less effort.
I quickly learned that while I had lots of ideas, I didn't know
a heck of a lot about how this stuff works. I learned what I
could about html, and when I didn't know something, I put the
word out that I was stumped and needed help.
Every time I have asked for help, someone on the list has come
through to assist me. Ralf helped with the little bit of Java
script, and taught me some things in the process. Igor has
helped a lot with various details. Rob Studdert and Mark Roberts
talked me through the web spider fiasco, and how to make a robot
exclusions file, Roger Stockton gave me some pointers about html
and web design, Jan van Wijk showed me how to mostly automate
the production of the thumbnails, and I am sure I have forgotten
several people who have pitched in with ideas from time to time.

Last September, I put forward the idea that a way to automate
the submission process would be nice. Jostein Øksne came up with
the idea of completely automating the process of making the
gallery pages, which up to now have been put together by cutting
and pasting the information sent via email into a template.

It is finally ready.
Jostein's auto PUG submission form is ready to take submissions.
There are still a few minor bugs to work out, it doesn't work
with Linux yet, and Opera users have to do a bit more work, but
it has tested successfully and we think it is ready to hit the
market.

The URL is linked to the index page in the upcoming gallery, but
if you want to bookmark it for future PUG submissions, it is:

http://oksne.net/autopug/PUGform.asp.

This is now the official submission method for the Pentax Users
Gallery. Submission by email will still be accepted if
necessary, but please, use the submission form if possible.
Thanks again and big hugs to everyone who has helped out with
this project, and especially Jostein, who really made it happen.
Thanks
William Robb



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pdml@pdml.net

[Ken Archer]

You might want to thank "John DeLoach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> He is on the 
list and and has helped me in the past.  I would suspect from the 
"keh.com" that there is a connection.

On Thursday 30 August 2001 14:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Well I just had a similar experience to yours: Someone on the list
> must have tipped off KEH to my post because they just *phoned* me and
> told me they'd give me a $50.00 credit on my American Express card
> for the dented filter ring!
>
> BTW: I bought my F100/2.8 macro - pretty much the same as the FA -
> from them and isn't it an amazing lens?!
-- 
Kenneth Archer + San Antonio, Texas
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   ICQ #24980801
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Re: enabled again, plus Pentax 67 questions

[Doug Brewer]

hmmm. Isn't 90mm more of a normal lens on a 6x7? It is about equivalent to a 45mm in 
the 35mm world, innit?

Doug



At 8:03 AM +12008/31/01, David A. Mann  wrote, or at least typed:
> Well I'm now the proud owner of one second-hand Pentax digital spot meter.  
>Quite a nice little piece of equipment :)
>
> The shop I got it from had a very nice Pentax 67 (latest model before the 67II) 
>recently arrive on the shelf.  If it were a little (actually a lot) cheaper I would 
>have bought it as its in really good condition.  They had an older, more "used" 
>body selling at a lower price, with a waist level finder and a very bright 
>focussing screen with the grid-lines on it.  I might have bought that if they'd 
>had a lens to go with it :)
>
> One thing I found strange: the newer body had a 90mm f/2.8 leaf shutter lens 
>on it.  Seems strange to put only 5 aperture blades into what's essentially an 
>outdoor portrait lens.
>
> Since I'm intending to buy a 67 at some stage (I've decided that I don't need 
>the extra features of the 67II): how do you activate the mirror lockup?  I don't 
>know how to cock the shutter without film in the camera so I couldn't try the 
>"mystery switch" on the left of the lens mount, which I thought might be the 
>MLU control.
>
>Cheers,
>
>
>- Dave
-- 
Douglas Forrest Brewer
Ashwood Lake Photography
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Maybe a bargain?

[Bill Owens]

Got a pair of them at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1268080595

Bill, KG4LOV
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Re: Little bargain of the day

[Collin Brendemuehl]

And perhaps make a little 24 ?  :)

From: "Juan J. Buhler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
>Now my K30/2.8 and K85/1.8 can happily bounce around in a backpack
>with the other stuff!
>
>j


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Re: penabled again, plus Pentax 67 questions

[Collin Brendemuehl]

>From: "David A. Mann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  The shop I got it from had a very nice Pentax 67 (latest model before the 
67II)
>recently arrive on the shelf.  If it were a little (actually a lot) 
>cheaper I would
>have bought it as its in really good condition.  They had an older, more 
>"used"
>body selling at a lower price, with a waist level finder and a very bright
>focussing screen with the grid-lines on it.  I might have bought that if 
>they'd
>had a lens to go with it :)

Actually, as has been the discussion on the list regarding
LXs, well-used pro equipment is going to be in more need
of repair than newer equipment.  Even with the 25% savings,
part of that can easily be put into a repair within a short
period of time.  Consequently, I'd be certain that the
film transport & gears all sound very smooth.  Or get a
new/newer body and postpone the inevitable.

jmho,

Collin

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Re: MZ-S vs. LX

[Mark Cassino]

That's good to hear, Paul. So far I've had the shutter
mechanism, metering, and TTL systems repaired.  TTL seems to be the
one thing that doesn't get fixed correctly.  I'm hoping to see it
back here soon!

- MCC

At 11:14 PM 8/28/01 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Mark,
My LX serial number starts with 523. It has the second meter button
but
not the latest shutter curtain. After a complete CLA two years ago and
a
follow-up return trip to fix what wasn't fixed correctly, it has
been
perfect for a couple of years and several hundred rolls of film. 
Paul 

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Re: Sentence & digital news, etc.

[Joe Urmos]

>Pentax should knock together a quick thousand dollar
>digital in K-mount, something with features similar to
>other current mid-range 3.3 or 4 megapixel cameras. A
>K-mount digital would make Pentax a major player again
>overnight.

>
>My money is waiting on a 4-megapixel digital K-mount
>autofocus Pentax for 1000-1300 US dollars. Better gimme
>two - they're cheap, and my wife will want one of her
>own.
>

They already have some of their own point-and-shoots and the "SLR" with HP.
Nothing that real grabs me by the neck and says, Buy me.


Apropos of the Pentax 110 SLR system thread recently, am I the only one who
thinks this would have made the great foundation for a digital SLR system?
Certainly it wouldn't have the exhorbitant cost of a 35mm full-frame
imager


-joe


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Re: enabled again, plus Pentax 67 questions

[William Robb]

- Original Message -
From: "bc" <
Subject: Pentax 67 questions



> BTW, for the list members who may have experience with
> the 90mm F2.8 LS, is it generally considered a decent
> lens?  and what would the rough asking price for it be?

I have no idea of what a fair price is for the lens. I got mine
for Can$500, and I think I did OK, as B&H had one listed at the
time for US$600. The lens is remarkabley good, it is not prone
to flare, and is very sharp and contrasty. The lack of aperture
blades doesn't seem to adversely affect bokeh over much.
One caveat with the LS lenses, Pentax indicates a focal plane
shutter speed of 1/8th second for when using the lens shutter.
This is because of timeing issues with the leaf shutter
actuation, and must be adhered to, or you will damage the
shutter actuation mechanism, and possibly the aperture coupling
as well.
William Robb

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RE: What's Your Shooting Style?

[John Coyle]

On Friday, August 31, 2001 9:43 AM, Creature's Comfort 
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> This may require more than one sentence ...
>
> About 18 months ago there was a discussion here about the methods we
> use to photograph a subject.  At that time I mentioned that I usually
> have a shot in mind, make the exposure, and then move on.  When
> working with people I'd shoot more frames, as their movement and
> expressions can change, and and offer more possibilities.
>
SNIP

Hi Sheldon:
I think I tend to shoot more frames of people than of more static subjects, and 
the more in the group the more frames yet.  There will always be someone in a 
group shot who yawns, blinks, closes their eyes, looks away, pokes out their 
tongue or does some other dumb thing just as you press the shutter!  I like to 
have my human subjects forget about the camera if possible, and it 's amazing 
how often the second shot has them more relaxed and happy-looking than the 
first.

With other pictorial photography, I do tend to try and get the shot with the 
first frame, but that's not hard-and-fast.  The first frame will usually be 
what caught my eye, any others will be subtle variations or whole new 
discoveries around the original concept revealed as you continue to study it.

I do not nowadays take another shot 'in case it doesn't come out'.  I have 
enough confidence in my equipment and my own ability to feel that unnecessary: 
however, the variations described above do tend to take care of that risk for 
me!

If I am shooting sports, which I do very rarely, and the last was motor-cycle 
racing, then yes, I will burn film at a great rate, as the action changes so 
rapidly, and it is physically hard to shoot at exactly the right moment.  I 
have total admiration for sports photographers who captured as dramatic action 
shots as they did before the days of power-winders and motor-drives.


John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia


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Re: enabled again, plus Pentax 67 questions

[bc]

- snip -

>  One thing I found strange: the newer body had a 90mm f/2.8 leaf shutter lens 
> on it.  Seems strange to put only 5 aperture blades into what's essentially an 
> outdoor portrait lens.

- snip -

How much do they want for the lens only?  and is it in
decent condition? I just picked up a 67II (brand new) and am 
looking at both the 165/F4-LS and the older 90mm F2.8 LS.

BTW, for the list members who may have experience with 
the 90mm F2.8 LS, is it generally considered a decent
lens?  and what would the rough asking price for it be?

Cheers,
Brian
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Reporting Internet Fraud

[Mark Erickson]

All,

I'm not sure if this stuff has been communicated already (I read the list 
via the archives).  Here are some links that should be useful to anyone
who is involved in internet transactions in the U.S.A.  U.S. Federal 
authorities take this kind of stuff very seriously and actually put eBay 
fraud perpetrators in prison. 

Internet Fraud Complaint Center (FBI and partners): http://www.ifccfbi.gov/ 

US Postal Inspection Service: http://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/ 

Hope this helps 

 --Mark 

P.S.  Is there an Interpol or EU authority that is doing anything about 
internet fraud in europe?
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Re: What's Your Shooting Style?

[Paul Jones]

I should have proof read that before i sent it. Here it is again in a form
that makes sense :)

I think my method is similar to your new style, only when i have
time though. I like to if possible shoot a lot of shots of the same subject
varying my position and settings, i like to try and explore the subject as
best I can. I think this has improved my amount of keepers and my
understanding of the subjects i'm shooting.

- Original Message -
From: "Paul Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: What's Your Shooting Style?


> I think my method is similar to your new style, although only when i have
> time. I like to if possible should a lot of shots of the same subject
> varying my position and setting, i like to try and explore the subject as
> best I can. I think this has improved my amount of keepers and my
> understanding of the subjects i'm shooting.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Creature's Comfort" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:42 AM
> Subject: What's Your Shooting Style?
>
>
> > This may require more than one sentence ...
> >
> > About 18 months ago there was a discussion here about the methods we
> > use to photograph a subject.  At that time I mentioned that I usually
> > have a shot in mind, make the exposure, and then move on.  When
> > working with people I'd shoot more frames, as their movement and
> > expressions can change, and and offer more possibilities.
> >
> > Recently, however, I've found myself shooting many more frames of the
> > same subject.  For example, yesterday I came across a grounded fishing
> > boat, and I shot fifteen frames, varying slightly the perspective, the
> > focus points, the DOF and aperture, moving closer or further from the
> > boat, etc.  Later in the day I shot the remainder of the roll, about
> > 21 frames, of a few people sitting on the beach.  Again I moved
> > around, included more or less background, and so on.  And, still
> > later, with another body and lens, I spent 20+ frames photographing an
> > old shed and some Eucalyptus trees in a foggy valley, again varying
> > position and waiting for the fog to move in ways that would provide a
> > better or more obscured view of the trees.
> >
> > Had I more time (I was with someone) and more film with me, I think
> > I'd have shot at least a roll in each situation.  I'm not sure why my
> > shooting style has changed - perhaps because I've started using a
> > Leica as well as the Pentax, and the shooting style of the rangefinder
> > lends itself to a different way of seeing, or perhaps it's because of
> > a workshop I took in which the instructor suggested getting as many
> > shots as possible of your subject - to shoot for nuances and
> > subtleties as well as gross composition.  Regardless, I feel that I'm
> > getting more "keepers" with this method than before.
> >
> > I just wanted to mention this and, perhaps, some of you may want to
> > comment on your methodology.
> >
> > --
> > Sheldon Belinkoff
> > CREATURE'S COMFORT
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Re: Sentence & digital news, etc.

[John Mustarde]

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:14:12 -0500, you wrote:
snip>
>What I've been busy with lately is that I decided I had to try digital. Much
>to my surprise, it's more fun than the proverbial barrel full of monkeys.
>UNFORTUNATELY, it doesn't have anything to do with anything that says
>"Pentax" on it. 

Yep, digital is great fun. Take the shot, check the
results, then shoot and check again. Instant
gratification. Clean depth to the photos. Looks like
the best slide films.

Poor Pentax. They're missing out on the power of
instant gratification. Someone should introduce them to
Pavlov and modern sales marketing.

Pentax should knock together a quick thousand dollar
digital in K-mount, something with features similar to
other current mid-range 3.3 or 4 megapixel cameras. A
K-mount digital would make Pentax a major player again
overnight.

Heck, almost nobody would care if it lacked the top end
features, or lacked a full-frame sensor. We're Pentax
shooters, right? We don't need no stinking pro
features. Just decent build quality and good ergonomics
- and compatibility with most K-mount lenses.

My money is waiting on a 4-megapixel digital K-mount
autofocus Pentax for 1000-1300 US dollars. Better gimme
two - they're cheap, and my wife will want one of her
own.

But maybe Pentax doesn't want my digital camera money. 

Maybe they think I need a Pentax proctoscope instead.
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Re: What's Your Shooting Style?

[Kenneth Waller]

I never thought about multiple shots of the same scene until I attended a
workshop years ago. The pro pointed out that if you only take one shot of a
scene then that automatically becomes your best shot of that scene. I then
started shooting more of a given scene with variations in composition,
exposure, focus, lenses etc. I immediately found that I was coming away with
more keepers and better quality  keepers. Many a time now I find myself
agonizing over a series of shots of the same scene and have a hard time
choosing the best. All in all, with the expense of the equipment involved,
film is the least expensive part of photography.
Ken Waller
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To: Pentax List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:42 PM
Subject: What's Your Shooting Style?


> This may require more than one sentence ...
>
> About 18 months ago there was a discussion here about the methods we
> use to photograph a subject.  At that time I mentioned that I usually
> have a shot in mind, make the exposure, and then move on.  When
> working with people I'd shoot more frames, as their movement and
> expressions can change, and and offer more possibilities.
>
> Recently, however, I've found myself shooting many more frames of the
> same subject.  For example, yesterday I came across a grounded fishing
> boat, and I shot fifteen frames, varying slightly the perspective, the
> focus points, the DOF and aperture, moving closer or further from the
> boat, etc.  Later in the day I shot the remainder of the roll, about
> 21 frames, of a few people sitting on the beach.  Again I moved
> around, included more or less background, and so on.  And, still
> later, with another body and lens, I spent 20+ frames photographing an
> old shed and some Eucalyptus trees in a foggy valley, again varying
> position and waiting for the fog to move in ways that would provide a
> better or more obscured view of the trees.
>
> Had I more time (I was with someone) and more film with me, I think
> I'd have shot at least a roll in each situation.  I'm not sure why my
> shooting style has changed - perhaps because I've started using a
> Leica as well as the Pentax, and the shooting style of the rangefinder
> lends itself to a different way of seeing, or perhaps it's because of
> a workshop I took in which the instructor suggested getting as many
> shots as possible of your subject - to shoot for nuances and
> subtleties as well as gross composition.  Regardless, I feel that I'm
> getting more "keepers" with this method than before.
>
> I just wanted to mention this and, perhaps, some of you may want to
> comment on your methodology.
>
> --
> Sheldon Belinkoff
> CREATURE'S COMFORT
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: What's Your Shooting Style?

[Paul Jones]

I think my method is similar to your new style, although only when i have
time. I like to if possible should a lot of shots of the same subject
varying my position and setting, i like to try and explore the subject as
best I can. I think this has improved my amount of keepers and my
understanding of the subjects i'm shooting.


- Original Message -
From: "Creature's Comfort" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:42 AM
Subject: What's Your Shooting Style?


> This may require more than one sentence ...
>
> About 18 months ago there was a discussion here about the methods we
> use to photograph a subject.  At that time I mentioned that I usually
> have a shot in mind, make the exposure, and then move on.  When
> working with people I'd shoot more frames, as their movement and
> expressions can change, and and offer more possibilities.
>
> Recently, however, I've found myself shooting many more frames of the
> same subject.  For example, yesterday I came across a grounded fishing
> boat, and I shot fifteen frames, varying slightly the perspective, the
> focus points, the DOF and aperture, moving closer or further from the
> boat, etc.  Later in the day I shot the remainder of the roll, about
> 21 frames, of a few people sitting on the beach.  Again I moved
> around, included more or less background, and so on.  And, still
> later, with another body and lens, I spent 20+ frames photographing an
> old shed and some Eucalyptus trees in a foggy valley, again varying
> position and waiting for the fog to move in ways that would provide a
> better or more obscured view of the trees.
>
> Had I more time (I was with someone) and more film with me, I think
> I'd have shot at least a roll in each situation.  I'm not sure why my
> shooting style has changed - perhaps because I've started using a
> Leica as well as the Pentax, and the shooting style of the rangefinder
> lends itself to a different way of seeing, or perhaps it's because of
> a workshop I took in which the instructor suggested getting as many
> shots as possible of your subject - to shoot for nuances and
> subtleties as well as gross composition.  Regardless, I feel that I'm
> getting more "keepers" with this method than before.
>
> I just wanted to mention this and, perhaps, some of you may want to
> comment on your methodology.
>
> --
> Sheldon Belinkoff
> CREATURE'S COMFORT
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Little bargain of the day

[Juan J. Buhler]

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Gianfranco Irlanda wrote:

> Good!
> Now it's time to find a bargain Summicron... :)

Oh yes... I'm waiting for that elusive $300 beat up Summicron with
clean glass... Even $300 for a 50mm f/2 seems a bit overpriced...

I wish Pentax made a rangefinder...

j


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Z-1 for sale

[Pentax Clover]

Hello
One of my friend ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] )wish to sell two 
Z-1, one  with date back...
Both will come back for Pentax 
revision
Price is about 1200-1500FF (= 182.939 to = 228.674 Euro )
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What's Your Shooting Style?

[Creature's Comfort]

This may require more than one sentence ...

About 18 months ago there was a discussion here about the methods we
use to photograph a subject.  At that time I mentioned that I usually
have a shot in mind, make the exposure, and then move on.  When
working with people I'd shoot more frames, as their movement and
expressions can change, and and offer more possibilities.

Recently, however, I've found myself shooting many more frames of the
same subject.  For example, yesterday I came across a grounded fishing
boat, and I shot fifteen frames, varying slightly the perspective, the
focus points, the DOF and aperture, moving closer or further from the
boat, etc.  Later in the day I shot the remainder of the roll, about
21 frames, of a few people sitting on the beach.  Again I moved
around, included more or less background, and so on.  And, still
later, with another body and lens, I spent 20+ frames photographing an
old shed and some Eucalyptus trees in a foggy valley, again varying
position and waiting for the fog to move in ways that would provide a
better or more obscured view of the trees.

Had I more time (I was with someone) and more film with me, I think
I'd have shot at least a roll in each situation.  I'm not sure why my
shooting style has changed - perhaps because I've started using a
Leica as well as the Pentax, and the shooting style of the rangefinder
lends itself to a different way of seeing, or perhaps it's because of
a workshop I took in which the instructor suggested getting as many
shots as possible of your subject - to shoot for nuances and
subtleties as well as gross composition.  Regardless, I feel that I'm
getting more "keepers" with this method than before.

I just wanted to mention this and, perhaps, some of you may want to
comment on your methodology.

-- 
Sheldon Belinkoff
CREATURE'S COMFORT
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Re: Manual focus feel of 77 1.8 Limited?

[Tom Rittenhouse]

I got to try one out a couple of weeks ago. Since I tried it on an ME Super I got a 
good idea of how
it felt in manual focus. Excellent, about like an M series lens. I did not pay 
particular attention
to the movement of the focus ring, that means it didn't bring itself to my attention 
so it must be
ok. Does the front rotate? Mostly that only happens with zooms, certainly not with the 
77. I shot it
at 1.8 and it worked well, no sign of flare, so it ought to work ok for stage 
photography. It has a
built in retractable lens hood.

Oh yes, I warned the owner, a well known list member, not to leave it unattended where 
I could get
at it, as I can't afford to buy one. It matches the chrome ME Super very nicely, thank 
you.

--graywolf



Pieter Nagel wrote:
> 
> I'm strongly considering to get myself a 77 1.8 ltd. I would
> appreciate some info on it, since local Pentax didn't even seem to
> know it existed before I started asking about it.
> 
> One crucial aspect to me, other than its availability in black :-)
> is: what does it feel like to manual focus? How does its MF compare
> to, say, a 50mm 1.4? How big is the throw on the focus ring? How well
> is it damped? Does the front rotate as you focus or not?
> 
> And since I do a lot of low-light high-contrast stage shots: how
> effective is its' built-in hood? How far does the hood project before
> the front element? Is it circular or one of those cutesy tulip shaped
> ones that are totally inappropriate to primes?
> 
> There are none in the country, so I'll have to have it imported and
> I'd hate to inconvenience them by returning it due to design flaws I
> could have found out about here.

-- 
Tom "Graywolf" Rittenhouse
Graywolf Photo, Charlotte, NC, USA
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Re: new camera (Also NOT!!!)

[Tom Rittenhouse]

According to the book.


"Otis Wright, Jr." wrote:
> 
> The "other dimension" seems to fit.   Were those flying monkeys?
> 
> Otis Wright
> 
> Tom Rittenhouse wrote:
> 
> > Aus. pronounced Oz. Maybe magical tornados do travel half way around the world, 
>but I thought that
> > Dorathy's Oz was in another dimension altogether. Are there flying monkeys in 
>Australia? 
> > --graywolf
> >
> > "Frits J. Wüthrich" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Isn't Oz Australia?  Has our ex-prez been visiting there?
> > >
> > > I thought Oz was close to Kansas. "Toto, I don't think we are in Kansas
> > > anymore"
> > >
> > > Or am I wrong? Do tornado's travel from Kansas to Australia? I don't think
> > > so.
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Tom "Graywolf" Rittenhouse
> > Graywolf Photo, Charlotte, NC, USA
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Re: Little bargain of the day

[Gianfranco Irlanda]

Good!
Now it's time to find a bargain Summicron... :)

Gianfranco

PS: yesterday I had the chance to buy an used M6 in working
order (not exactly a bargain, though). When I came back home I
tried it with my 39x1 lenses and... I discovered that the meter
had a problem... :(
Now the M6 is back on the shop's shelf. I got back the Contax
IIa traded for it and bought with the remaining money a brand
new 67 lens... :) 


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From: Juan J. Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 12:38 AM
Subject: Little bargain of the day


> 
> Went to K&S (Keep it and Shove it) here in Palo Alto to rent a
> Summicron for the long weekend. They sometimes have boxes of
stuff at
> bargain prices, and this time it was a box full of lens cases.
I got
> one for a 35/3.5 Takumar and one for a 135/3.5 Takumar, both
in great
> shape, for $7 total.
> 
> Now my K30/2.8 and K85/1.8 can happily bounce around in a
backpack
> with the other stuff!
> 
> j


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Little bargain of the day

[Juan J. Buhler]

Went to K&S (Keep it and Shove it) here in Palo Alto to rent a
Summicron for the long weekend. They sometimes have boxes of stuff at
bargain prices, and this time it was a box full of lens cases. I got
one for a 35/3.5 Takumar and one for a 135/3.5 Takumar, both in great
shape, for $7 total.

Now my K30/2.8 and K85/1.8 can happily bounce around in a backpack
with the other stuff!

j

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Re: Prices of Pentax euipment in Slovakia

[Daniel J. Matyola]

"Artur Ledóchowski" wrote:

> I'm going to Slovakia in 3 weeks

Artur:

I can't help your with the information you seek, but as a American of Slovak
descent, and be interested in hearing about your trip when you return,
especially about current economic and social conditions.  I'd also love to see
any photographs you might be able to post on the web.

Thanks, Dan
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Prices of Pentax euipment in Slovakia

[Artur Ledóchowski]

Hi,
I'm going to Slovakia in 3 weeks and consider buying some stuff there, but I
havent decided yet since I don't know if it pays to make shopping there
instead of doing it in Poland. Is any of you, guys, able to provide me with
some information on the prices in Slovakia? I'm especially interested in
Z-1(p), MZ-5n or 3 and lenses longer than 200mm...
TIA
Greetz
Artur
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  Which make me feel so down.
  There's one to enslave all rings,
  To find them all in time
  And drive them into darkness.
  Forever they'll be bound."
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LX exploded view manual available?

[Cotty]

Someone once pointd me towards a site that had a take-apart manual for 
the MX - can anyone do the same for me regarding the LX?

Many thanks,

Cotty

PS - I'll let on what I'm up to in due course, bwaa haaa haaa haaa 
haa.

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Re: Re: Black and white photography sans Darkroom.

[David J Brooks]

I have been getting good results using a Canon S800 printer.I own
3 versions of Canon and recommend their equipment.(No not employed
by them)
I also
haven't been very impressed with the results when trying to print
these scans with an HP color printer.  

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Re: Sentence & digital news, etc.

[Cotty]

>It's really a blast. Lots different than shooting film. Also to my great
>surprise, I'm totally in love with the look of the prints--they're
>absolutely beautiful.
>
>So I'm shooting digital, in color, with a zoom-lens point-and-shoot. If I
>were only dead, I'd be turning over in my own grave. 
>
>- --Mike

Mike,

Do yourself an even bigger favour: get a film scanner - shoot with your 
Pentax gear, and then go Apple and Epson, like I do. The grins just get 
bigger...

Cotty

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Re: enabled again, plus Pentax 67 questions

[Gianfranco Irlanda]

David A. Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>  Since I'm intending to buy a 67 at some stage (I've decided
that I don't need 
> the extra features of the 67II): how do you activate the
mirror lockup?  I don't 
> know how to cock the shutter without film in the camera so I
couldn't try the 
> "mystery switch" on the left of the lens mount, which I
thought might be the 
> MLU control.
> 
> Cheers,

Hi Dave,

The shutter can be cocked by opening the back, turning the frame
counter over the 0 (there is a dial for this on the advance
lever) and then, keeping the counter in position, closing the
back. This allows the shutter to work without film. You can 
lock the mirror up only when the shutter is cocked, of course.
Forgetting the mirror up can drain the battery, though.
There is another way to do that, but a special key is needed.

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enabled again, plus Pentax 67 questions

[David A. Mann]

 Well I'm now the proud owner of one second-hand Pentax digital spot meter.  
Quite a nice little piece of equipment :)

 The shop I got it from had a very nice Pentax 67 (latest model before the 67II) 
recently arrive on the shelf.  If it were a little (actually a lot) cheaper I would 
have bought it as its in really good condition.  They had an older, more "used" 
body selling at a lower price, with a waist level finder and a very bright 
focussing screen with the grid-lines on it.  I might have bought that if they'd 
had a lens to go with it :)

 One thing I found strange: the newer body had a 90mm f/2.8 leaf shutter lens 
on it.  Seems strange to put only 5 aperture blades into what's essentially an 
outdoor portrait lens.

 Since I'm intending to buy a 67 at some stage (I've decided that I don't need 
the extra features of the 67II): how do you activate the mirror lockup?  I don't 
know how to cock the shutter without film in the camera so I couldn't try the 
"mystery switch" on the left of the lens mount, which I thought might be the 
MLU control.

Cheers,


- Dave

David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec)
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Vs: Vs: MZ-S vs. LX

[Raimo Korhonen]

No argument: MX is a fine camera and I regret selling it to finance the LX - I only 
had it for about 4 years and I did experience the flaky diodes described in your post. 
This was repaired and it worked OK after that. But there have been a number of posts 
about problems with the MX on this list - no such posts about the plain ME.
My ME is from 1978 (is that early?) and the lightmeter has been adjusted once, a few 
years ago. It is on its third battery set (in 23 years) so battery dependence is not a 
big issue.
I have had two ME Supers and they did not give me any trouble but I did have to check 
several in (used) ones order to find perfectly working samples.
The first Winder ME II I had functioned on its original battery set for about 5 years, 
and would have done so for a long time but then I sold it. After some time I thought I 
did miss the winder and bought one, used. I have had it for 2 years now and the 
batteries are in excellent health.
When the strap (non-Pentax) let go the ME, winder and lens hit the ground, the 
3.5/35-105 was bent beyond repair but no damage to the ME or winder. IMO the ME is one 
rugged camera.
All the best!
Raimo
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Aihe: Re: Vs: MZ-S vs. LX


>
>>I have one of the first MX's sold in the US. Bought the first week it was
>>available, (damn I feel old writing that).  The meter was always a bit
>flaky, never worked the way the manual said it should, in spite of being back
>to Pentax for repair. However once I got used to it, the camera never let
>me down. The meter still works, (still flaky though). A ME will not give you
>a lot of latitude if it's batteries fail, a MX will only lose meter function.
>
>I've found that the MX is more reliable than either the ME or ME Super.
>The early MEs were particularly problematic and Pentax came up with a modification
>kit of some sort for them. (I don't recall the details but it's in the service
>notes with my on-line service manual at http://www.robertstech.com/pentax.htm)
>
>ME Supers have occasional electronic problems due to contact resistance
>building up in the ribbon cable where it plugs into a socket buried deep
>within the camera. I've also seen quite a few with terminal shutter and
>mirror lock.
>
>I have seen MXs with problems (I've heard about, but never seen, the meter
>problem) but that's usually more a product of the extensive use (and abuse)
>their owners give them. (A car with 200,000 miles on the clock can be expected
>to have more problems than one with 20,000, right? Most MX owners *use*
>their cameras. Plenty of ME Super owners were just occasional snapshooters.)
>
>If you can find a "low mileage" example and/or one that's been taken care
>of you'll love it.
>
>-- 
>Mark Roberts
>www.robertstech.com
>
>
>

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[Rfsindg]

> My next lens has to be a 300 or 400 telephoto.
> Know any good relatively inexpensive ones?

Christian,

Check ebay, there was an A 300mm f4 going for about half price.

Regards,  Bob S.
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RE: Where in Illinois

[Peifer, William [OCDUS]]

Hi Mike et al.,

If the local cops in Champaign aren't interested in pursuing things for you,
perhaps the phone numbers listed below might be of some help.  I notice that
while the main office for the US Attorney's Office is in Springfield, there
is a district office in Urbana (right on the other side of Lincoln Ave. from
Champaign, if I remember correctly).  Seems likely that they'd have a
computer crimes division at one of these locations, given UIUC's importance
in the development of the Internet.

Hope this helps.  In any event, please keep us posted, and let us know how
you make out on this matter.

Bill Peifer
Rochester, NY


United States Attorney's Office
Central District of Illinois
201 S. Vine St., Suite 226, Urbana IL  61801
Phone   (217) 373-5875
Fax (217) 373-5891

Frances C. Hulin, United States Attorney
600 East Monroe St., Ste. 312, Springfield IL  62701
Phone   (217) 492-4450
Fax (217) 492-4512

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/ilc/
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[admin]

>I've got a 100 F2.5 Vivitar Series 1 macro which focuses to 1:1.  Talk
about
>an amazing lens!  It has become my work horse for nature closeups.  I know
>that KEH had one just like it at twice the price I paid on  eBay.


eBay prices are funny. I bought my Pentax F100/2.8 macro from KEH for quite
a bit *less* than they were selling for on eBay at the time.

>My next lens has to be a 300 or 400  telephoto. Know any good relatively
>inexpensive ones?

Your best bet in terms of quality for little money is to look for a used
manual focus one.

-- 
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Re: Several Pentax Questions

[UniqueToo]

From Bruce:
with this image.>

And Bill:
exposure for the desired result >

After reading your descriptions, I can see I'm better off with Matrix 
metering.  I expect the camera will make much better decisions than I will. :)

Thank you Bruce and Bill for your very clear explanation!

Kat

Re: Manual focus feel of 77 1.8 Limited?

[Alan Chan]

>I'm strongly considering to get myself a 77 1.8 ltd. I would
>appreciate some info on it, since local Pentax didn't even seem to
>know it existed before I started asking about it.
>
>One crucial aspect to me, other than its availability in black :-)
>is: what does it feel like to manual focus? How does its MF compare
>to, say, a 50mm 1.4? How big is the throw on the focus ring? How well
>is it damped? Does the front rotate as you focus or not?

It feels pretty good for manual focus. I'd say it's better than FA50/1.4. 
Compared to A50/1.4, they feel quite different. The focus ring of the 77/1.8 
feels a bit light but firm. The front won't rotate.

>And since I do a lot of low-light high-contrast stage shots: how
>effective is its' built-in hood? How far does the hood project before
>the front element? Is it circular or one of those cutesy tulip shaped
>ones that are totally inappropriate to primes?

It has a built-in hood which is a bit short IMO. But then the lens is pretty 
compact too so you cannot ask too much. But you can always put on a square 
hood from Pentax if you must (still being made - one for 50mm (deeper) and 
one for 28/35mm).

>There are none in the country, so I'll have to have it imported and
>I'd hate to inconvenience them by returning it due to design flaws I
>could have found out about here.

Other than its price, I can see nothing bad about this lens.

regards,
Alan Chan

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[Skofteland, Christian]

oops!  I meant 105mm

Christian Skofteland
System Administrator
ServerVault Inc.
"Securing the Internet"
(703)373-5971 (Direct)
(703)333-5900 (Main)
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Question re Tokina &KEH


Well I just had a similar experience to yours: Someone on the list must
have tipped off KEH to my post because they just *phoned* me and told me
they'd give me a $50.00 credit on my American Express card for the dented
filter ring!

BTW: I bought my F100/2.8 macro - pretty much the same as the FA - from
them and isn't it an amazing lens?! 

-- Original Message --

>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> ...
>> A few weeks ago I called about an FA*80-200/2.8 in "bargain" condition.
>> The guy who answered the phone offered to email me some photos of it
and
>> did so (although a day later than he'd promised). I bought it and
discovered
>> that it had a dented filter ring that *did* prevent filters from being
>mounted
>...
>
>I had a similar experience with them in that I found the 100/2.8 FA
>Macro I got from them having a slight bump on the filter thread. It is
>unlikely that I'll ever use filters on the lens but I pointed out that
>anyway to the saleswoman who I had dealt with and they uploaded a 20
>bucks bonus on my file without fuss. I think it was a fair thing since
I
>certainly wasn't going to return the lens across customs and an ocean
>just for that.
>
>HTH, Flavio


-- 
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www.robertstech.com


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[Skofteland, Christian]

I've got a 100 F2.5 Vivitar Series 1 macro which focuses to 1:1.  Talk about
an amazing lens!  It has become my work horse for nature closeups.  I know
that KEH had one just like it at twice the price I paid on  eBay.  My
next lens has to be a 300 or 400  telephoto.  Know any good relatively
inexpensive ones?

Christian Skofteland
System Administrator
ServerVault Inc.
"Securing the Internet"
(703)373-5971 (Direct)
(703)333-5900 (Main)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Question re Tokina &KEH


Well I just had a similar experience to yours: Someone on the list must
have tipped off KEH to my post because they just *phoned* me and told me
they'd give me a $50.00 credit on my American Express card for the dented
filter ring!

BTW: I bought my F100/2.8 macro - pretty much the same as the FA - from
them and isn't it an amazing lens?! 

-- Original Message --

>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> ...
>> A few weeks ago I called about an FA*80-200/2.8 in "bargain" condition.
>> The guy who answered the phone offered to email me some photos of it
and
>> did so (although a day later than he'd promised). I bought it and
discovered
>> that it had a dented filter ring that *did* prevent filters from being
>mounted
>...
>
>I had a similar experience with them in that I found the 100/2.8 FA
>Macro I got from them having a slight bump on the filter thread. It is
>unlikely that I'll ever use filters on the lens but I pointed out that
>anyway to the saleswoman who I had dealt with and they uploaded a 20
>bucks bonus on my file without fuss. I think it was a fair thing since
I
>certainly wasn't going to return the lens across customs and an ocean
>just for that.
>
>HTH, Flavio


-- 
Mark Roberts
www.robertstech.com


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Re: PUG Commentary: Luis Pinar

[Bucky]

Luis,

I have enjoyed many (all?) of your submissions.  I think you have
demonstrated yourself to be a photographer with a keen and sensitive eye,
which I appreciate very much.

Mike
Vancouver, Canada

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: PUG Commentary: Luis Pinar


> Thanks for your kind comment. I`m glad to have been
> able to convey the feeling of the meeting.
> Luis
>
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[admin]

Well I just had a similar experience to yours: Someone on the list must
have tipped off KEH to my post because they just *phoned* me and told me
they'd give me a $50.00 credit on my American Express card for the dented
filter ring!

BTW: I bought my F100/2.8 macro - pretty much the same as the FA - from
them and isn't it an amazing lens?! 

-- Original Message --

>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> ...
>> A few weeks ago I called about an FA*80-200/2.8 in "bargain" condition.
>> The guy who answered the phone offered to email me some photos of it
and
>> did so (although a day later than he'd promised). I bought it and discovered
>> that it had a dented filter ring that *did* prevent filters from being
>mounted
>...
>
>I had a similar experience with them in that I found the 100/2.8 FA
>Macro I got from them having a slight bump on the filter thread. It is
>unlikely that I'll ever use filters on the lens but I pointed out that
>anyway to the saleswoman who I had dealt with and they uploaded a 20
>bucks bonus on my file without fuss. I think it was a fair thing since
I
>certainly wasn't going to return the lens across customs and an ocean
>just for that.
>
>HTH, Flavio


-- 
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Re: PUG Commentary: Luis Pinar

[Luis Pinar]

Thanks for your kind comment. I`m glad to have been
able to convey the feeling of the meeting.
Luis

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Re: Where in Illinois

[Ann Sanfedele]

I just went there and read the feedback for this guy - if it
is
him looks like Mike didn't leave bad feedback (yet). It may
not
be the same one, but if it is - Hey MIke, go put in that
bad feedback so the jerk gets booted off of ebay.

annsan

"Mr. Wm Kane" wrote:
> 
> This was probably it:
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1264929165
> 
> found it by searching for winning bidders with Mikes email address.  Hope you
> don't mind me taking the liberty of posting that mike, most people would want
> to know who to avoid.  I'm sure we'll all have to spam you now for bidding on
> an Olymp*s camera!
> 
> Bill
> 
> Ann Sanfedele wrote:
> 
> > Presumably he was kicked off ebay --
> > but you never did post the item number associated with
> > the sale - since there were a bunch, I asked was it a dutch
> > auction only to see if it was ONE listing instead of
> > several.
> > I believe, even if the guy was booted the item number will
> > still be there and the item description and even feedback?
> > I'm
> > really curious to see how he presented his item.
> >
> > annsan
> >
> > Mike Johnston wrote:
> > >
> > > pentax-discuss-digest at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mike,
> > > >
> > > > Where in Illinois was this guy?
> > > >
> > > > An appauled Illinois Bill
> > >
> > > Champaign. Probably a student. He ripped off about six people on MSN and
> > > then six of us on eBay. Just my luck to "win" that auction.
> > >
> > > We can't seem to interest the police in the case at all, despite the fact
> > > that the guy robbed 12 people of more than $6,000.
> > >
> > > --Mike
> > >
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Re: Where in Illinois

[Norman Baugher]

Excellent point Otis, six month break after continuous sales...hhh.
How would you commandeer someone's profile or perhaps an act of
desperation?
Norm

"Otis Wright, Jr." wrote:

> Suspicious chronological break.  Could it be two people?
>
> Norman Baugher wrote:
>
>> That's interesting, the guy has a lot of feedback and advertises bid
>> pay, doesn't
>> seem like your run-of-the-mill crook. Sure the guy didn't die or
>> something?
>

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Re: Where in Illinois

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

Suspicious chronological break.  Could it be two people?
Otis
Norman Baugher wrote:
That's interesting, the guy has a lot of feedback
and advertises bid pay, doesn't
seem like your run-of-the-mill crook. Sure the guy didn't die or something?
Norm
"Mr. Wm Kane" wrote:
> This was probably it:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1264929165
>
> found it by searching for winning bidders with Mikes email address. 
Hope you
> don't mind me taking the liberty of posting that mike, most people
would want
> to know who to avoid.  I'm sure we'll all have to spam you now
for bidding on
> an Olymp*s camera!
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Manual focus feel of 77 1.8 Limited?

[Pieter Nagel]

I'm strongly considering to get myself a 77 1.8 ltd. I would
appreciate some info on it, since local Pentax didn't even seem to
know it existed before I started asking about it. 

One crucial aspect to me, other than its availability in black :-)
is: what does it feel like to manual focus? How does its MF compare
to, say, a 50mm 1.4? How big is the throw on the focus ring? How well
is it damped? Does the front rotate as you focus or not?

And since I do a lot of low-light high-contrast stage shots: how
effective is its' built-in hood? How far does the hood project before
the front element? Is it circular or one of those cutesy tulip shaped
ones that are totally inappropriate to primes?

There are none in the country, so I'll have to have it imported and
I'd hate to inconvenience them by returning it due to design flaws I
could have found out about here.

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Re: Where in Illinois

[Norman Baugher]

That's interesting, the guy has a lot of feedback and advertises bid pay, doesn't
seem like your run-of-the-mill crook. Sure the guy didn't die or something?
Norm

"Mr. Wm Kane" wrote:

> This was probably it:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1264929165
>
> found it by searching for winning bidders with Mikes email address.  Hope you
> don't mind me taking the liberty of posting that mike, most people would want
> to know who to avoid.  I'm sure we'll all have to spam you now for bidding on
> an Olymp*s camera!

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Re: Where in Illinois

[Mr. Wm Kane]

This was probably it:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1264929165

found it by searching for winning bidders with Mikes email address.  Hope you
don't mind me taking the liberty of posting that mike, most people would want
to know who to avoid.  I'm sure we'll all have to spam you now for bidding on
an Olymp*s camera!

Bill

Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> Presumably he was kicked off ebay --
> but you never did post the item number associated with
> the sale - since there were a bunch, I asked was it a dutch
> auction only to see if it was ONE listing instead of
> several.
> I believe, even if the guy was booted the item number will
> still be there and the item description and even feedback?
> I'm
> really curious to see how he presented his item.
>
> annsan
>
> Mike Johnston wrote:
> >
> > pentax-discuss-digest at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > Where in Illinois was this guy?
> > >
> > > An appauled Illinois Bill
> >
> > Champaign. Probably a student. He ripped off about six people on MSN and
> > then six of us on eBay. Just my luck to "win" that auction.
> >
> > We can't seem to interest the police in the case at all, despite the fact
> > that the guy robbed 12 people of more than $6,000.
> >
> > --Mike
> >
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Re: Several Pentax Questions

[Bruce Dayton]

You can think of spot metering much like manually controlling the camera.
It measures light in a very small "spot" in the center of the viewfinder.
It doesn't take in the entire scene.  It requires you, as the photographer,
to make decisions based upon the scene brightness and choose your exposure.
Since it measures a very small area, you can pan around the scene and make
comparative measurements.  Armed with that knowledge, you can select the
exposure to meet the effect you are trying to achieve with this image.  If
it sounds like a slow process, it generally is.  The one scenario where I
can see spot metering be useful in a fast shooting situation is in a
theater.  Very typically, spot lights are used so the background can be
quite a different light level than the subjects.  Spot metering with some
compensation dialed in would be just the ticket here.

Matrix metering, which the ZX-7 has, is much more like letting the camera be
in control.  The viewfinder is divided up into several (6-8) segments and
each is evaluated.  The combination is used to decide the exposure.  In
practice, the matrix metering is very accurate for normal situations.  It's
weakness is that the photographer never really knows how it arrives at the
exposure settings.

My wife and daughter both use ZX-10's (ZX-7 predecessor) which only has the
matrix metering.  Their success ratio for exposure is *very* high.  They
have never even asked about more control of exposure.  They are much more
into composition.  The ZX-10 has turned out to be the perfect camera for
both of them.

Hope this explanation helps.

Bruce Dayton
Sacramento, CA


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Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: Several Pentax Questions




Spot metering on these models is also very useful.


Okay, I'll show my ignorance, can someone explain spot metering?
I do know and understand DOF, so I'm not completely stupid. :)

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Re: OT -da Dawg & Sushi

[Scooter dog]

> From: Mike Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Scoot the dog
> 
> So Scoot, man, how close are you to Illinois? I know a guy there I'd love it
> if you'd go see. (And do take your helmet.)
> 
> - --Mike
~~
Why. DETROIT of course. 

Where else could you beat the dog-snot outta a good ole' boy & just get a fine?

Home of the DEAD WINGS & double digit unemployment.  lol

BTW... I've been doing Aikido for a couple of years now.
You know. the Martial Art that's based on "Harmony" (al la Steven Seagal).  
~~
I "LOVE" Sushi mainly because it's mostly NOT raw fish
Sushami is pretty much 'nuttin BUT raw fish.

['Case anyone cares]


Cuttin' bait on the banks of the Detroit river
Scoot
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Re: A very good weekend

[Pentxuser]

In a message dated 8/28/01 11:48:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< A very good weekend >>
Great Story. His joy must have made you very happy. That's something you'll 
remember all your life and be a particularly fond memory when your dad is no 
longer with you.
My father too, was a photographer for a daily newspaper when he was young. I 
have his Crown Graphic sitting with my collection of antique cameras and 
enjoy looking when I go into my photography slide room. I've yet to actually 
use it to take pictures but one day, I keep telling myself that I will take 
it out and use it.
Vic 
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Re: One Sentence - Yeah but is it art?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

PAUL STENQUIST wrote:

> Bears and certain waterfowl have been eating sushi for thousands of
> years.

I think that would be sashimi.
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RE: Limited Edition 43mm vs 50mm f1.4

[Ed]

No, I don't think it's sharper, but it's probably as sharp.  But
sharpness is just one parameter by which to judge a lens.  The lens's
other qualities (build, bokeh, handling) might make it worth the price
for you.  Be warned also that the 43 has a little barrel distortion. 

Thanks,
Ed


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brett Mckay
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:49 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Limited Edition 43mm vs 50mm f1.4
> 
> 
> Is the limited edition 43 mm sharper that than the 50mm f1.4, 
> for the extra price.
> 
> I have had my lenses stolen and am looking at buying primes 
> instead of zooms, and am comparing the two for my standard lens.
> 
> Thanks Brett
> 
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[admin]

All the camera stores around here are too lame to have even *heard* of this
device (seriously). I know because I asked. 

Know where I can buy one on the web?



-- Original Message --

>For a few bucks, you can buy a lens vise from Fargo and use it to fix dented
>filter rings.  I have one at home. It works well.  Some camera stores have
>one on hand and will fix the filter ring for a nominal fee, or even free,
>if
>you are a known customer.  Ask around.
>
>Len



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Re: Oz = Aus

[Paul Ewins]

> > Are there flying monkeys in Australia?
> 


No,  but there are flying foxes. (a more mammalian looking bat)

Paul Ewins
Melbourne, Australia

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RE: Limited Edition 43mm vs 50mm f1.4

[Paris, Leonard]

The short answer is: No, the FA 50mm f/1.4 is sharper.  However, other list
members will tell you there are other characteristics to consider, most of
which are very subjective.  Considering the price difference, there is
absolutely no contest.  If your pockets are not deep, buy the FA 50mm f/1.4.

Len
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-Original Message-
From: Brett Mckay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 6:49 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Limited Edition 43mm vs 50mm f1.4


Is the limited edition 43 mm sharper that than the 50mm f1.4, for the extra
price.

I have had my lenses stolen and am looking at buying primes instead of
zooms, and am comparing the two
for my standard lens.

Thanks Brett
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[Paris, Leonard]

For a few bucks, you can buy a lens vise from Fargo and use it to fix dented
filter rings.  I have one at home. It works well.  Some camera stores have
one on hand and will fix the filter ring for a nominal fee, or even free, if
you are a known customer.  Ask around.

Len
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 6:37 AM
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Subject: RE: Question re Tokina &KEH


I've usually had good experiences with KEH (though they *are* expensive)
and their ratings in general are quite conservative, if entirely lacking
in detail. To get details on the condition of the equipment you want to
buy you can phone up and ask them. Then it depends on which salesdroid
answers
the phone. 

When I called about an A50/1.4 in "bargain" condition a couple of years
ago I got an obvious enthusiast who told me "I've been thinking of buying
that one for myself!" and generally enthused about it. She told be it was
really almost mint except for a slightly dented filter ring which still
accepted filters without any problem. I bought it and it turned out to be
a great deal (just as it was described: the filter ring looked rough in
one spot but filters went on and off readily).

A few weeks ago I called about an FA*80-200/2.8 in "bargain" condition.
The guy who answered the phone offered to email me some photos of it and
did so (although a day later than he'd promised). I bought it and discovered
that it had a dented filter ring that *did* prevent filters from being
mounted
at all. That defect wasn't visible in the photos at all and I can't believe
he missed it when he examined the lens. He just didn't want to lose the
commission on a fairly big sale and gambled that I wouldn't get pissed off
and return it. Well, he was right, but I'm going to ask a lot more questions
in the future. (I was able to straighten out the filter ring enough that
it now works, with some difficulty; I've just bought a junk 77mm filter
on eBay and I'm going to knock the glass out of it and screw it on as a
semi-permanent "thread extender".)

If you want to buy from KEH, phone them up and ask questions. They have
a 14 day return policy.


-- 
Mark Roberts
www.robertstech.com


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Re: What did all those "A" lens contacts do on A-series cameras?

[Mr. Wm Kane]

I don't have time to check, but didn't someone provide a discussion about this
before?  For some reason I thought Boz had the results on his page. . . try the
'extras' section.

Just an overexposed shot in the dark,
Bill

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I was just writing up a description on an A3000 that I'm putting on eBay
> and I found myself wondering what all those contacts were doing on the lens
> mount when the A-series lenses only had the one switch contact.
>
> I'd have to guess that Pentax was just getting ready in advance for the
> inevitablity of auto-focus and matrix metering (although, come to think
> of it, those extra contacts aren't necessary for matrix metering).
>
> Anyone have any definite information? I can't imagine that all those extra
> contacts are connected to anything inside the A3000, but I'm not about to
> start taking it apart to find out!
>
> --
> Mark Roberts
> www.robertstech.com
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Re: Scoot the dog

[Mr. Wm Kane]

Mike,

   Where in Illinois was this guy?

An appauled Illinois Bill

Mike Johnston wrote:

> So Scoot, man, how close are you to Illinois? I know a guy there I'd love it
> if you'd go see. (And do take your helmet.)
>
> --Mike
>
> Scoot wrote:
>
> > It's a pretty good thing E-bay covers such a large geographic area.
> >
> > Last year I gave a guy $50 as a "good faith" hold for a car he was
> > selling even gave me a reciept & WROTE that I could have my money
> > back if I changed my mind within 3 days.
> >
> > The next day, I showed up on my cycle & notified him I would not care to
> > purchase his vehicle... could I have my $50 back?
> >
> > "No"
> > "Why not?"
> > "I could have sold it had I not been holding it for you"
> > "But my reciept says..."
> > "Screw your reciept"
> > "What if I take you to court"
> > "Go ahead. Others have & lost."
> > "What if I take it out of your ass?!!"
> > "Go ahead & take your best shot."
> >
> > The dim-wit didn't see I had buckled the strap of my helmet... at which
> > point I proceeded to use it to beat him like a stray dog.
> > And his silly son when he came to join the fun.
> >
> > Cost me $2,000 in court costs (once they got well enough to testify)...
> > and it was worth every penny.
> >
> > $600 for a camera? And get skunked?  GOD help ya.
> >
> > Scoot
>
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RE: new camera (Also NOT!!!)

[Skofteland, Christian]

perhaps not flying monkeys but there are some big-a** bats in Sydney!

Have you been to 'stralia?  It IS another dimension!  

Christian Skofteland
System Administrator
ServerVault Inc.
"Securing the Internet"
(703)373-5971 (Direct)
(703)333-5900 (Main)
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-Original Message-
From: Tom Rittenhouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 4:58 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: new camera (Also NOT!!!)


Aus. pronounced Oz. Maybe magical tornados do travel half way around the
world, but I thought that
Dorathy's Oz was in another dimension altogether. Are there flying monkeys
in Australia? 
--graywolf


"Frits J. Wüthrich" wrote:
> 
> > Isn't Oz Australia?  Has our ex-prez been visiting there?
> 
> I thought Oz was close to Kansas. "Toto, I don't think we are in Kansas
> anymore"
> 
> Or am I wrong? Do tornado's travel from Kansas to Australia? I don't think
> so.
> 

-- 
Tom "Graywolf" Rittenhouse
Graywolf Photo, Charlotte, NC, USA
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Re: Photographing Sequined Pumps

[Ken Archer]

The very same!

On Thursday 30 August 2001 01:01, John Mullan wrote:
> anything like going home at two with a ten; but woking up at ten with
> a two?
>
> Ken Archer wrote:
> > You might want to consider a cowboy wedding if you want to avoid
> > all those software conflicts.  You knowtill dawn do us part.
-- 
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Limited Edition 43mm vs 50mm f1.4

[Brett Mckay]

Is the limited edition 43 mm sharper that than the 50mm f1.4, for the extra price.

I have had my lenses stolen and am looking at buying primes instead of zooms, and am 
comparing the two
for my standard lens.

Thanks Brett

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Re: Black and white photography sans Darkroom.

[admin]

> I personally haven't been exactly impressed with the
>results I've gotten scanning B&W directly from negatives.  I also
>haven't been very impressed with the results when trying to print
>these scans with an HP color printer

My experience is the same. I can't get scanned B&W negatives to look really
good. Send me into a darkroom with negs and paper and I'll come out with
prints I like, but I just can't get results I'm pleased with on the computer.

That said, the computer is a *great* tool for learning what you can do,
and what needs to be done, with a black and white negative. I don't have
a home darkroom so I pay by the hour for the use of one at a local co-op.
I scan my negs at home and manipulate them on my computer, experimenting
with dodging and burning and adjusting the contrast (I use the brightness/contrast
control in Photoshop rather than the levels histogram, because it more closely
approximates the effect of different paper contrast levels). By the time
I take the negative into the real darkroom to make prints I know pretty
much what I need to do. Saves *lots* of darkroom time and photo paper (both
of which = money).

Just one more example of how digital and traditional photography can complement
each other.


-- 
Mark Roberts
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RE: MZ-S vs. LX

[Skofteland, Christian]

Incidentally, I finally took the time to check my LX's serial number.  It's
a 530.  Newish?

Christian Skofteland
System Administrator
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-Original Message-
From: PAUL STENQUIST [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MZ-S vs. LX


I shoot with my LX almost exclusively. (I erred in a previous message,
it's a 527 serial number.) I have an MX that serves as a backup.
Sometimes I'll take just the MX when I'm traveling a long way for a
short time. But it's hard to put the LX down. I also have screwmount
cameras that are more collectibles than working units. But I'll
sometimes use one when I'm shooting BW and color. I hate to let all that
wonderful SMC Tak glass just sit around and not make pictures. In fact,
my September PUG, which I shot just a few weeks ago, was a product of my
Spotmatic F and SMC Tak 85/1.8. But the LX gets a workout almost every day.
Paul

"Skofteland, Christian" wrote:
> 
> I think my LX is in great condition.  For what I paid (much below others
> I've seen) it looks, feels, operates as if new.  My idea of an MX for
backup
> is that the MX is FULLY mechanical with the batteries only needed for the
> meter and exposure control is full manual, with no auto modes.  Yes, the
> LX's shutter works without batteries from X-1/2000.
> 
> The other thing that attracts me to the MX is DOF preview.  Being a nature
> photographer doing a lot of closeup work makes this feature essential in
any
> camera.
> 
> I think the LX is the end-all-be-all of camera systems and I couldn't be
> happier with it.
> 
> Christian Skofteland
> System Administrator
> ServerVault Inc.
> "Securing the Internet"
> (703)373-5971 (Direct)
> (703)333-5900 (Main)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Raimo Korhonen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 4:41 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Vs: MZ-S vs. LX
> 
> The LX will probably outlive you - but if you think you need a back-up the
> plain ME seems to me to be the most reliable - nothing much to go wrong
(on
> mine the light meter  was adjusted after 20 years) and batteries last
very,
> very long (on Winder ME II too). MX seems to be not that reliable and the
> buttons on ME Super can give trouble.
> All the best!
> Raimo
> Personal photography homepage at
> http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen
> 
> -Alkuperäinen viesti-
> Lähettäjä: Skofteland, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Vastaanottaja: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Päivä: 29. elokuuta 2001 14:36
> Aihe: RE: MZ-S vs. LX
> 
> >You guys are starting to worry me!
> >
> >I just bought my first LX and have put only a few rolls through it so
far.
> >How much life can I expect from this camera?  Let's put it this way: I
> don't
> >intend to replace it!  And honestly, for my application
> >(nature/wildlife/landscape), I see no reason to own a brand new camera.
> I'm
> >looking at buying full mechanical backups such as an MX but I have no
need
> >for program modes or autofocus.
> >
> >Christian Skofteland
> >System Administrator
> >ServerVault Inc.
> >"Securing the Internet"
> >(703)373-5971 (Direct)
> >(703)333-5900 (Main)
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >
> >
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Oz = Aus

[Mike Johnston]

Tom R. wrote:

> Are there flying monkeys in Australia?


What, you mean there AREN'T?


Maaan, disillusion everywhere these days.

--Morose Mike

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Re: Vs: MZ-S vs. LX

[admin]

>I have one of the first MX's sold in the US. Bought the first week it was
>available, (damn I feel old writing that).  The meter was always a bit
flaky, 
>never worked the way the manual said it should, in spite of being back
to 
>Pentax for repair. However once I got used to it, the camera never let
me 
>down. The meter still works, (still flaky though). A ME will not give you
a 
>lot of latitude if it's batteries fail, a MX will only lose meter function.

I've found that the MX is more reliable than either the ME or ME Super.
The early MEs were particularly problematic and Pentax came up with a modification
kit of some sort for them. (I don't recall the details but it's in the service
notes with my on-line service manual at http://www.robertstech.com/pentax.htm)

ME Supers have occasional electronic problems due to contact resistance
building up in the ribbon cable where it plugs into a socket buried deep
within the camera. I've also seen quite a few with terminal shutter and
mirror lock.

I have seen MXs with problems (I've heard about, but never seen, the meter
problem) but that's usually more a product of the extensive use (and abuse)
their owners give them. (A car with 200,000 miles on the clock can be expected
to have more problems than one with 20,000, right? Most MX owners *use*
their cameras. Plenty of ME Super owners were just occasional snapshooters.)

If you can find a "low mileage" example and/or one that's been taken care
of you'll love it.

-- 
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[admin]

I've usually had good experiences with KEH (though they *are* expensive)
and their ratings in general are quite conservative, if entirely lacking
in detail. To get details on the condition of the equipment you want to
buy you can phone up and ask them. Then it depends on which salesdroid answers
the phone. 

When I called about an A50/1.4 in "bargain" condition a couple of years
ago I got an obvious enthusiast who told me "I've been thinking of buying
that one for myself!" and generally enthused about it. She told be it was
really almost mint except for a slightly dented filter ring which still
accepted filters without any problem. I bought it and it turned out to be
a great deal (just as it was described: the filter ring looked rough in
one spot but filters went on and off readily).

A few weeks ago I called about an FA*80-200/2.8 in "bargain" condition.
The guy who answered the phone offered to email me some photos of it and
did so (although a day later than he'd promised). I bought it and discovered
that it had a dented filter ring that *did* prevent filters from being mounted
at all. That defect wasn't visible in the photos at all and I can't believe
he missed it when he examined the lens. He just didn't want to lose the
commission on a fairly big sale and gambled that I wouldn't get pissed off
and return it. Well, he was right, but I'm going to ask a lot more questions
in the future. (I was able to straighten out the filter ring enough that
it now works, with some difficulty; I've just bought a junk 77mm filter
on eBay and I'm going to knock the glass out of it and screw it on as a
semi-permanent "thread extender".)

If you want to buy from KEH, phone them up and ask questions. They have
a 14 day return policy.


-- 
Mark Roberts
www.robertstech.com


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Re: new camera (Also NOT!!!)

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

The "other dimension" seems to fit.   Were those flying monkeys?

Otis Wright

Tom Rittenhouse wrote:

> Aus. pronounced Oz. Maybe magical tornados do travel half way around the world, but 
>I thought that
> Dorathy's Oz was in another dimension altogether. Are there flying monkeys in 
>Australia? 
> --graywolf
>
> "Frits J. Wüthrich" wrote:
> >
> > > Isn't Oz Australia?  Has our ex-prez been visiting there?
> >
> > I thought Oz was close to Kansas. "Toto, I don't think we are in Kansas
> > anymore"
> >
> > Or am I wrong? Do tornado's travel from Kansas to Australia? I don't think
> > so.
> >
>
> --
> Tom "Graywolf" Rittenhouse
> Graywolf Photo, Charlotte, NC, USA
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Re: Manual Pentaxes with mirror lock-up

[Bob Rapp]

I was tempted to forward this to all my Kiwi friends but I did not want to
put your life in danger. Since Rugby and the All Blacks constitutes the
major religion in New Zealand, I didn't want to start a which hunt.

Bob
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From: "Jody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: Manual Pentaxes with mirror lock-up


> Thanks for that. I will have to practice on my
> Spotmatic sometime. I tried a few times just then.
> Let's just say I am glad there was no film in it :)
>
> I don't know what the All-Blacks achievements are
> lately. I don't really care, it's just a game. I know
> they lost a big match recently. You can tell because
> no-one says a word about it. I think they have a lot
> of fair-weather friends. I am not such a hypocrite. I
> just consistently ignore them and eventually they go
> away :)
>
> Jody.
>
> --- Bob Rapp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Most mechanical Pentax's from the Spotmatic on could
> > be tricked into "mirror
> > lockup". To master it, cock the shutter and lightly
> > and quickly tap the
> > shutter release button. If you here a click, the
> > mirror swung up. Check it
> > in the finder and if blacked out, press the shutter
> > release again and the
> > shutter will fire.
> > It works on my Spotmatics, K1000, and MX.
>
> > How about the "All Blacks" the knocked over the
> > Spring-Box and Trail the
> > Wallabies in the Tri_Nations. For once, I would wear
> > my All Blacks jumper
> > for one week if the defeated Australia in the final.
>
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Re: OT- Ebay scam ramble (short)

[Jim Moniz]

Can't we all (OUCH!) get along (OOF!)? Great story.
Jim
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Subject: Re: OT- Ebay scam ramble (short)


> It's a pretty good thing E-bay covers such a large geographic area.
> 
> Last year I gave a guy $50 as a "good faith" hold for a car he was
> selling even gave me a reciept & WROTE that I could have my money
> back if I changed my mind within 3 days.
> 
> The next day, I showed up on my cycle & notified him I would not care to
> purchase his vehicle... could I have my $50 back?
> 
> "No"
> "Why not?"
> "I could have sold it had I not been holding it for you"
> "But my reciept says..."
> "Screw your reciept"
> "What if I take you to court"
> "Go ahead. Others have & lost."
> "What if I take it out of your ass?!!"
> "Go ahead & take your best shot."
> 
> The dim-wit didn't see I had buckled the strap of my helmet... at which
> point I proceeded to use it to beat him like a stray dog. 
> And his silly son when he came to join the fun.
> 
> Cost me $2,000 in court costs (once they got well enough to testify)...
> and it was worth every penny.
> 
> $600 for a camera? And get skunked?  GOD help ya.
> 
> Scoot
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[Jim Moniz]

I will vouch for what the others say, having once bought an SLR from KEH,
they were fair and honest in their dealings with me.  (I lived in Atlanta at
the time, and was able to go directly to their warehouse for the purchase.)
Probably spendy to ship out of country, though.
Jim
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Subject: Question re Tokina &KEH


>
> I was wondering if I could benefit but again from the "lists" experience?
>
> I recently visited a local camera shop in Vancouver, BC because I'm trying
> to decide between a new Sigma/Pentax/Tokina lens in the 24-70/80 range (at
> least 2.8). Anyway, the guy told me they have experienced service problems
> with Tokina. Barring all other considerations (and there are many), has
> anyone had service problems with Tokina? After visiting this particular
> shop, I stopped by Kerrisdale Camera who indicated the opposite.
>
> Second queston: a number of you have made reference to using KEH. Are they
a
> good outfit? (e.g. are their ratings of used gear accurate? How are they
> with returns?)
>
> Thanks
>
> Karen
>
>
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Re: MZ-S and LX metaphors.

[Jody]

Well, I think it was more about "Do you prefer a
hand-drill or an electric drill". Me, having tried
both, would choose the hand-drill every time. Whereas
some people would have both. However, it is possible
to build a house using just one, although it may take
a little longer with the hand-drill.

Jody.

--- Philippe Trottier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We again try to make the "Do you prefer a hammer or
> a screw driver."
> takes both to build a house.
> 
> I get both,
> thanks,
> Phil


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Black and white photography sans Darkroom.

[Cotty]

>I think than D&P. So then I was wondering about
>scanning negatives into my computer. I have HP Scanjet
>3300C. Any point in trying to use this, or will I just
>ruin my negs and my scanner? I don't think my scanner

Jody, if you put a sheet of negs onto the glass of an A4 scanner, and 
then an up-turned lightbox on top of that, with a little fine-tuning, you 
can make pretty reasonable contact sheets. However, I don't do this: 
after a while, one can usually assess negs by looking directly at them.

Get yourself a decent neg scanner - it'll be the best thing you could do! 
I use a Nikon Coolscan (eBay, about $350) and I print to an Epson Stylus 
Photo EX (new a couple of years ago) and the results are superb - 
admittedly not as good a print done in the traditional way, but if I were 
to grade them on a scale of 1 to 10, with darkroom being 10: the Epson 
rates a good 8+. A dye-sublimation printer will get you up in the 9's but 
that's expensive. For value-for-money digital printing, you will be 
pleasantly surprised at the results. If you can, go and look at someone 
else's results from your printer make and model, and if you don't like 
them, look at others. As for scanners, flatbeds with transparencly hoods 
*can* work okay, but you'll never reach the results a dedicated neg 
scanner will give. Get the best you can afford - I'd say buy a better 
name second-hand, than a mediocre name new. Polaroid used to be a good 
name (IMO) but I had a Sprintscan that was absolute crap and their 
support was shoddy. The Nikon scanners are very good. When scanning a 
neg, you need at least 2000 dpi for some decent scans - higher is better, 
but watch out - large file sizes mean you need good computer power as 
well.

Good luck,

Cotty

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RE: MZ-S vs. LX

[Cotty]

>I think my LX is in great condition.  For what I paid (much below others
>I've seen) it looks, feels, operates as if new.  My idea of an MX for backup
>is that the MX is FULLY mechanical with the batteries only needed for the
>meter and exposure control is full manual, with no auto modes.  Yes, the
>LX's shutter works without batteries from X-1/2000.

Christian, IMHO the MX is a great backup body - in fact for 22 years I've 
used them as MAIN bodies and in that time I've never had a problem with 
one of them, and the other one needed a minor adjustment. Of course, this 
isn't to say that MXs don't have their fair share of problems, but I 
doubt that they are 'not that reliable' as one contributor put it. In 
fact, because the batteries only power the meter, I would say that the MX 
is more reliable!

FWIW,

Cotty

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Re: One Sentence

[Jody]

I'm sorry, but I have the need to go to bed :)

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have the need to try and get unusual photographs.



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Re: Black and white photography sans Darkroom.

[Bill Owens]

Jody,

I don't have a real darkroom either, but just today tried developing B&W
film (you just need a dark place to load the tank).  My negs came out okay,
but awfully grainy, probably due to shooting TMax 3200 at 3200 and
developing in D-76.  I scanned them using an HP S20 scanner at 1200 dpi into
Photoshop and printed them on Epson Premium Glossy Photo Paper usijng an
Epson 1270 printer.  At 4x6 I can't really tell any difference between them
and a wet print from a photo lab.

Bill, KG4LOV
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> Ah, I wondered about that. There is no chance of me
> getting a darkroom at this point. I don't have my own
> house. But having the (albeit chromogenic) prints now
> would be good. And then, at some stage, I would like a
> darkroom in my own house (along with white picket
> fence & rose garden). So I would like to be able to
> dig my negatives out and play with them at a later
> date.

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Re: One Sentence

[Jody]

Arrggghhh!! Not another one.

--- Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> Since our man Mike appears to be busy elsewhere
> right now, I thought I'd jump up here and give a
> Mike-like assignment. All strictly voluntary, natch,
> but the results could be interesting.
> 
> It's very simple: Write one sentence. In that
> sentence, tell us why you photograph. No
> restrictions on sentence length. It can be simple
> and declarative. It can be a Faulknerian odyssey. It
> just needs to be a sentence. I'll even get it
> started:
> 
> I have a need to show everyone else what I see.

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FA 24-90 + UV + circ. polarizer

[Frank Wajer]

Hi all,

anybody know if this will work. I want a UV on top of my Pentax FA 24-90
lens to protect it.
I'm thinking about the B&W Slim UV MRC. However, maybe in the future I'll
use a polarizer aswell.
Is it possible to use the BW Circ. Polarizer Slim MRC on top of the UV?
What about vignetting with that combi?


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RE: picking black and white print film

[Ed]

Yeah.  If I could get the internet and read this list in there, I'd
never leave. :)

Thanks,
Ed


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> 
> 
> That would be a big mistake. You know what men are
> like with bathrooms ;)
 

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Re: new camera (Also NOT!!!)

[Tom Rittenhouse]

Aus. pronounced Oz. Maybe magical tornados do travel half way around the world, but I 
thought that
Dorathy's Oz was in another dimension altogether. Are there flying monkeys in 
Australia? 
--graywolf


"Frits J. Wüthrich" wrote:
> 
> > Isn't Oz Australia?  Has our ex-prez been visiting there?
> 
> I thought Oz was close to Kansas. "Toto, I don't think we are in Kansas
> anymore"
> 
> Or am I wrong? Do tornado's travel from Kansas to Australia? I don't think
> so.
> 

-- 
Tom "Graywolf" Rittenhouse
Graywolf Photo, Charlotte, NC, USA
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RE: Black and white photography sans Darkroom.

[John Coyle]

On Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:37 AM, Jody [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> Ah, I wondered about that. There is no chance of me
> getting a darkroom at this point. I don't have my own
> house. But having the (albeit chromogenic) prints now
> would be good. And then, at some stage, I would like a
> darkroom in my own house (along with white picket
> fence & rose garden). So I would like to be able to
> dig my negatives out and play with them at a later
> date.
>
> On a slightly different tangent. I have all these B&W
> negatives from school photography. There just wasn't
> enough hours in the school year to get them all
> printed. I went into a lab a few years back, and they
> said to print them from negatives, I would have to pay
> about NZ$1 per print just to get normal size prints.
> This seems quite a lot, and would end up costing more
> I think than D&P. So then I was wondering about
> scanning negatives into my computer. I have HP Scanjet
> 3300C. Any point in trying to use this, or will I just
> ruin my negs and my scanner? I don't think my scanner
> gets hot through normal use. Or would it maybe be
> better to get a copy centre to scan them onto CD for
> me? Is this likely to be cheaper than prints from
> negative? And is it safe for my negatives?
>
> Also, how good are prints made onto photo-quality
> paper using an inkjet printer and HP photo cartridges?
> I imagine not as good as ones you print yourself in
> the darkroom, but am I likely to be disappointed? I
> have not shelled out megabucks for the paper and
> cartridge yet.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Jody.
>
> --- tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It sounds to me as if she's saying she just wants to
> > play around with b+w
> > to see if she likes it. Chromogenics are perfect for
> > that.
> > Anyway, they're very nice films when printed on b+w
> > paper.
>
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Hi Jody:
Can't comment on your HP specific questions, but can offer the thought that I 
have printed a significant number of both colour and b&w photos on Epson 
materials with excellent quality being achieved in most instances.  One set was 
even used for publication purposes, using (I believe) offset litho.

Your b&w prints will probably not have the same range of tones as traditional 
materials will provide, but for most purposes will be more than adequate. 
 Fading may be a problem, but I currently have some old family portraits 
displayed in our 'rogue's gallery'  which have been done some months ago and 
are still good.

In general, I have found that it is essential to maintain the print heads in 
tip-top condition by regular use, and by cleaning if not used for some time. 
 It is also important to use the correct ink cartridges, as some paper/ink 
combinations are definitely inferior (bronzing of deep black areas when using 
Pelikan paper with Epson inks for example).

Scanning should do no more harm to your negatives than exposing them through a 
typically hot enlarger system, but, as always, it's worth trying with a strip 
you don't much care about first!

HTH

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia


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Re: Photographing Sequined Pumps

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Jody asks:
> I have to ask? How is it that Chris and Doug know so
> much about photographing Size 10 sparkly pumps? 

I thought we were talking about my size 12 pair?!
(More room to position the lights, doncha' know.)

> Most
> women wouldn't even be seen dead in them. 

Heh.  But they do such fun things when friends
point lasers at them...

(When I shop for myself, I tend to go fairly
conservative -- these were a gift from a friend 
who decided the basic black pumps I used to wear
all the time were too boring.  Might have been
extreme measures, but it did teach me that shoes
are allowed to be nifty.)

> I don't even
> own a pair of high heels. I prefer Reeboks or my Doc
> Marten's shoes anyday. I don't even know if I will
> wear them at my wedding, which is a long way off, 

That's okay -- you wear flats at your wedding, I'll
wear heels at mine, and some sort of physics conservation-
-of-somethingorother law will be satisfied.

> Boyfriend V2.2 decided not so long ago
> to make me Single Woman V2.1.  I think he had software
> conflicts with ever in his lifetime becoming Fiancé
> V1.1. 

Oh, I hate it when they're not upgradeable.  I've had
that problem with a few of my girlfriends...

-- Glenn

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Wanted To Buy: SMC-FA 50 f/2.8 Macro , Pentax 1.4F Teleconverter

[Jeremy Clegg]

Title: MZ-S Sync Speed and Studio Lights



I am possibly interested in the above equipment. 
Please email me privately if you are interested. 
 
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