Re: A few photos from my trip

2001-10-28 Thread David A. Mann

Doug Franklin writes:

 AFAIK, Internet Explorer is about the only browser that will tolerate
 spaces in URLs.

 That's bad news for my scripts but I'll think/worry about that later :)  I would 
say that MS did that deliberately to make their browser work when people type 
a space in, for the sake of user-friendliness.

 Behind the scenes the browser still encodes it to %20 when it sends the 
request to the server.  Using IE5.5 I requested /this is a test on my local web 
server and the access log recorded it as /this%20is%20a%20test.

Cheers,


- Dave

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Re: Flocking Material

2001-10-28 Thread Cotty

M. le Cott wrote:

 Just a thought, but what about that stuff model railway buffs use for
 grass texture, perhaps painted black??


That's a hell of a thing to do to a perfectly good lens shade. g

- --Mike

Actually, thta's given me a great idea for a modification. Watch this 
space ;-)

Cotty

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Re: A follow-up from months ago...

2001-10-28 Thread David Brooks

Jim
Great news.Glad to hear things went well.Are you going
to post a few for a look see?

Dave
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: A follow-up from months ago...

Several months ago, I announced that I was going to be doing my very first
paid shoot (head shots of a ballet class), and told you all about what I would
be using.  The feedback I got from you was invaluable.  I took the advice of
several of you (use something other than just a flash)  and purchased some
simple studio lighting (a two-light setup from Smith-Victor, about $150) and,
armed with your advice and that of my NYI instructors,went to town.  I used
my Super Program, a Pentax 135mm/f2.8 lens and Portra 400BW film.   Got the
prints back yesterday, and am frankly astounded...I may actually have a future
in this!

I want to thank you all again for your invaluable advice.  Although I get WAY
too many messages from PDML to read every single one of them, I feel I have
become a better photographer through participation in this group.  Have a
Happy Halloween (less'n, o'couse, ya don't want to...)
Jim
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Re: A follow-up from months ago...

2001-10-28 Thread Jim Moniz

I will eventually scan a couple.  I didn't put them on a CD, and I don't
have a scanner, at least not one worth mentioning... :(  But I will put a
few up on my website eventually!  Thanks! :)
Jim
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Subject: Re: A follow-up from months ago...


 Jim
 Great news.Glad to hear things went well.Are you going
 to post a few for a look see?

 Dave
  Begin Original Message 
  From: Jim Moniz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 02:51:07 -0800
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: A follow-up from months ago...

 Several months ago, I announced that I was going to be doing my very first
 paid shoot (head shots of a ballet class), and told you all about what I
would
 be using. The feedback I got from you was invaluable. I took the advice of
 several of you (use something other than just a flash) and purchased
some
 simple studio lighting (a two-light setup from Smith-Victor, about $150)
and,
 armed with your advice and that of my NYI instructors,went to town. I
used
 my Super Program, a Pentax 135mm/f2.8 lens and Portra 400BW film. Got the
 prints back yesterday, and am frankly astounded...I may actually have a
future
 in this!

 I want to thank you all again for your invaluable advice. Although I get
WAY
 too many messages from PDML to read every single one of them, I feel I
have
 become a better photographer through participation in this group. Have a
 Happy Halloween (less'n, o'couse, ya don't want to...)
 Jim
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Re: October PUG Kudos

2001-10-28 Thread PAUL STENQUIST

Hi Steve, 
I meant to respond to this post yesterday, but something went amiss and
I lost it. The shot was on a stage in Hollywood. The engine was a set
constructed of real engine parts and imaginary ones. The crankshaft and
pistons are from a ten cylinder Dodge engine. The crank is spinning in
the foreground and the pistons are rigged on a hydraulic actuator behind
the crank. The actuator pushes them up and down, one at a time. The fire
is a napalm like substance that's burning on a stainless steel surface
just in front of the crankshaft. The circular objects in the background
are meant to represent valves. They're being opened and closed by people
hidden behind the wall. The bright white light from overhead is a flash
from a lightning machine. The commercial this was constructed for was a
Dodge Ram spot that depicted a surreal look at the inside of the engine.
I think the copy was: How do we contain the indomitable might of the
world's most powerful ten-cylinder truck engine? Then, the Ram grill
slammed shut in front of the engine, and the copy continued, We keep it
behind bars. 
   Any time I end up on a set for a commercial I try to shoot some
stills, since there's always some interesting stuff and some good light.
Once in a while we'll edit a still into a commercial for a jump cut
effect or as a background plate.
Paul

Steve Larson wrote:
 

  Maybe Paul Stenquist will tell us exactly what his shot was of, I`ve
 been dying to know myself.
 Steve Larson
 Redondo Beach, California
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Re: BW Developers-Grain differences

2001-10-28 Thread Norman Baugher

You're talking about different enlarger light sources right, diffused, cold, etc.?
Care to expound Mike?
Norm

Mike Johnston wrote:

 No. It's the enlarger. The difference in perceived grain between a highly
 collimated light source and a true diffuse light source is extremely
 significant. Most enlargers are somewhere in the middle.

 This is one thing that causes differences in reports of the graininess of
 films. Some people can say Tri-X has golf-ball grain and others can say
 Tri-X has extremely fine grain for a fast film and both can be right.
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Allergy Shots

2001-10-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Another rambling how my day went missive...

Yesterday I went to shoot some cute, huge, walking allergens.
Fortunately the combination of antihistamines and inhalers I
used warded off an athsma attack, but I did get a nasty headache
which may or may not have been related.  (The preventative
inhalers weren't quite enough, and I did wind up using my
Albuterol inhaler twice, but I never let it get Really bad.)  I
spent as little time as possible actually in the stable, and
shot into the arena from the outdoor entrance, and burned more
film watching horses and riders warming up outside where there
was more light for me to use anyhow.  Not sure how well I did,
but I came away with a definite sense that I'm a less-patient
(and therefore probably not as good) photographer when my
fingers are freezing and I'm thinking about my breathing.  It
was reasonably late-autumn chilly here yesterday, but rather
windy, and of course I was a good ways away from the city, and
stupid me, I forgot to bring my gloves.  (I could have worn
gloves -- the KX and Spotmatic have controls I can operate in
gloves, and I used the Super Program entirely in
aperture-priority mode.)  I'm also not sure how steady I was
holding the camera during the coldest moments -- other than my
hands and face I was mostly dressed okay for the temperature,
but when a cloud covered the sun and a gust blew at the same
time, I found myself shivvering a bit.

(Not like two days before, which was a perfect late-spring day;
or the day before that, which was the ultimate comfortable
summer day, which we never get in summertime here.)

So I came away feeling like I'd not done as good a job as I
could have, as well as knowing that I still have a lot to learn
about horse photography (catching them with their legs in good
positions and such), but also feeling like I'd gathered a clue
or two.  And the friend (hoping for more, but for now friend) I
specifically went to see, got a third-place ribbon.  And it
looks like I'll get some help paying for developing (due to
folks wanting to see what I got), so I won't have to wait months
for my finances to catch up before I get to find out what worked
and what didn't.

I ought to be able to get away with more on this shoot than I
would at another time of year -- it was costume day at the
stable due to the proximity to Hallowe'en, so there was extra
cuteness to be captured.  Riders in costumes.  Horses in
costumes (including an adorable black, pointy hat).  My friend
was in renaissance attire, and her horse was adorned with a
fancy headpiece and had his body and tail wrapped in ivy, which,
of course, he kept wanting to nibble on.  (A mutual friend was
in medieval clothing, as was I, and the friend who drove me was
in a mix of renaissance and modern.  We all acknowledged that
wearing such garb as a costume feels like cheating -- we wear
it often enough that it doesn't feel like a costume, and really
it's just something we pulled out of our closets.  We got
admiring comments from others present, but we did so without a
lot of effort or planning.  *shrug*  I still haven't figured out
what I'm going to wear for Hallowe'en night itself.)

One woman had shaved(*) designs into her horse's rump -- a Jolly
Roger on one side and a jack o'lantern on the other -- and asked
me to make sure I got photos of those as she'd not brought a
camera.  Hmm.  A black-on-black design visible by texture and
depth, the easiest thing in the world to get a quick snap of,
right?  I caught it in full sun (at a couple different angles)
with Portra 400VC and bracketed a little over -- I've got my
fingers crossed on that.

(*) More like trimmed?  The horse's skin wasn't exposed, but
the hair was very short in the design.

I don't know how to talk to horses.  Most of them just stared at
me as though they were expecting me to say or do something, so I
just spoke to them in English (Oh, you're a pretty one, aren't
you?) and they continued to stare.  Except for one or two who
I'm _certain_ were saying either pet me! or treat please?,
and one who had to investigate my KX to find out whether it was
food.  I'm passably fluent in Cat (uh, for a human anyhow), know
enough Dog to get by, and am rusty in Bird (well, the family
that includes parrots, budgies, cockateils, etc.) but can still
communicate with them ... but I'm completely lost trying to
communicate with horses so far.  (Then again, from what I
understand from horse people, most horses understand a certain
amount of Human anyhow.) Fortunately there were all these riders
around, so it didn't matter as much, but basically I felt like
an alien.  (Hmm.  I'll have to ask my friend how much
horse-communication is done by touch -- I know that
rider-to-horse communication is entirely touch, but I don't know
how much is when both parties are standing on the ground.  With
the species I do know how to talk to, it's mostly body-language
and gestures.  I was afraid to touch any of the horses, because
if I'd done so and 

Re: POW Page

2001-10-28 Thread Norman Baugher

No problem loading the page, quick. I do read, a lot, and I think the
butterfly is cool...
Norm

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 Hi ...

 I just put together my first web page to display a Picture of the Week
 photo. It's pretty simple, but perhaps nothing too fancy or complicated
 is needed just to show a picture.  Be that as it may, I'd like some
 comments, especially WRT how fast/slow the page loads for you and any
 thoughts you may have regarding layout, coding, etc.  Looking forward to
 your comments.  Thanks!

 http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/pow.html
 --
 Shel Belinkoff
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Battery Question

2001-10-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Alkaline A76 button cells seem to work fine in my Super Program
and KX (I don't remember what's in the ME right now), but I've
got the impression that they're not lasting very long.  Since I
haven't been writing down my battery changes (I'll start doing
so now), I was wondering whether anyone could comment on the
relative life of the A76 cells versus the silver S76 or EPX76
cells.  If the silver cells do last longer than the alkalines,
do they last long enough to be worth the increased price?  (At
the store where I saw them yesterday, alkalines were $0.98 each,
and silver cells were $2.90 each.  Do the silvers last three
times as long?)

Also, I noticed lithium cells labelled 276 or something like
that, which were 3V and looked just like a pair of 76 batteries
stacked atop each other, for a little less than the cost of two
silver cells ($4.98, IIRC).  Am I right in my guess that my
cameras would be just as happy with one of these as with a pair
of S76s?  And do they last at least two and a half times as long
as a pair of alkalines?

-- Glenn, counting my pennies
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FS: SMC Pentax 500mm F1:4.5

2001-10-28 Thread Jim Commins

I have just listed this mint, bayonet mount, SMC Pentax 500mm F1: 4.5 lens
on eBay Canada at:
http://cgi.ca.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1290434674

Unfortunately I screwed up installing the images but they are available by
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Re: Battery Question

2001-10-28 Thread Rob Studdert

On 28 Oct 2001, at 8:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Alkaline A76 button cells seem to work fine in my Super Program
 and KX (I don't remember what's in the ME right now), but I've
 got the impression that they're not lasting very long.  Since I
 haven't been writing down my battery changes (I'll start doing
 so now), I was wondering whether anyone could comment on the
 relative life of the A76 cells versus the silver S76 or EPX76
 cells.  If the silver cells do last longer than the alkalines,
 do they last long enough to be worth the increased price?  (At
 the store where I saw them yesterday, alkalines were $0.98 each,
 and silver cells were $2.90 each.  Do the silvers last three
 times as long?)
 
 Also, I noticed lithium cells labelled 276 or something like
 that, which were 3V and looked just like a pair of 76 batteries
 stacked atop each other, for a little less than the cost of two
 silver cells ($4.98, IIRC).  Am I right in my guess that my
 cameras would be just as happy with one of these as with a pair
 of S76s?  And do they last at least two and a half times as long
 as a pair of alkalines?

Glen,

The following is from a post of mine back in Feb '99 relating to the 4LR44 for 
the 67 but should relate to the LR44 just with a 1/4 of the terminal voltage, 
also FWIW I have been using the Lithium cells for years now. I can't 
remember when I last bought alkaline or Silver button cells, they work 
flawlessly in the ME Super, SuperA and LX, they have about a 10 year shelf 
life and they perform well in the cold:

I did a little research and found the following:

Approximate self discharge rates:

Alkaline batteries : 5 % / year (PX28A, A544, 4LR44 105mAh capacity)
Silver oxide : 5% / year (PX28, 544, 4SR44 160mAh capacity)
Lithium batteries : 1% to 2% / year (PX28L, L544 160mAh capacity)

From the data above we can surmise that for low current applications (ie 
Pentax 67 operation) the Silver oxide and lithium cells should offer similar
operational life over the short term (eg under 6 months) however the Lithium
cells will allow longer storage period.

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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MZ-6 versus MZ-S???

2001-10-28 Thread ALEXSCIFI

I missed earlier references to the MZ-6 and can find none via web searching. 
What's the url that point's to it's picture and what's the difference between 
it and the MZ-S?

Alex
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Re: October PUG Kudos

2001-10-28 Thread Steve Larson

Hi Paul,
 Thanks for explaining the shot. It is a very interesting one, I do like it
very much. I remember that commercial on TV, Dodge has been
innovative in making commercials, I kind of like theirs. If you need
someone to carry your equipment while on the set, I volunteer, as
Hollywood is close to home ;)
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
- Original Message - 
From: PAUL STENQUIST [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: October PUG Kudos


 Hi Steve, 
 I meant to respond to this post yesterday, but something went amiss and
 I lost it. The shot was on a stage in Hollywood. The engine was a set
 constructed of real engine parts and imaginary ones. The crankshaft and
 pistons are from a ten cylinder Dodge engine. The crank is spinning in
 the foreground and the pistons are rigged on a hydraulic actuator behind
 the crank. The actuator pushes them up and down, one at a time. The fire
 is a napalm like substance that's burning on a stainless steel surface
 just in front of the crankshaft. The circular objects in the background
 are meant to represent valves. They're being opened and closed by people
 hidden behind the wall. The bright white light from overhead is a flash
 from a lightning machine. The commercial this was constructed for was a
 Dodge Ram spot that depicted a surreal look at the inside of the engine.
 I think the copy was: How do we contain the indomitable might of the
 world's most powerful ten-cylinder truck engine? Then, the Ram grill
 slammed shut in front of the engine, and the copy continued, We keep it
 behind bars. 
Any time I end up on a set for a commercial I try to shoot some
 stills, since there's always some interesting stuff and some good light.
 Once in a while we'll edit a still into a commercial for a jump cut
 effect or as a background plate.
 Paul
 
 Steve Larson wrote:
  
 
   Maybe Paul Stenquist will tell us exactly what his shot was of, I`ve
  been dying to know myself.
  Steve Larson
  Redondo Beach, California
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full frame on digital slrs

2001-10-28 Thread john.vanderaalst

Just a thought
I understand that the Pentax full-frame digital camera is cancelled,
probably because of problems with the chip. But everybody would want
such a camera because existing optics - especially wide-angle - could be
used at full capacity.
I also understand that ANY digital SLR with removable lenses have
annoying problems because after some time dust can accumulate on the
ccd.

So my question: isn't it theoretically and practically possible ( and
maybe even not that complicated) to make a digital SLR with a smaller
chip that is equipped permanently with a strong positive optic in front
of the chip, so that every existing lens can still be used with the same
angle of view ? So that a 50mm-lens would not
cover the usual 24-36, but instead be projected on the size of the chip.

The fixed positive optic would be a kind of inverted tele-converter,
and, as it is fixed, would protect the ccd from dust.
The distance between CCD and bayonet-flange would be different than the
one on existing-pentaxes, but that wouldn't be a problem whatsover.
Probably there's a design-flaw somewhere in the above, but I would like
to know where it is
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Re: Minolta Dimage Scan Dual Do's Don'ts

2001-10-28 Thread Jostein

Ken,
Have had mine for 3 years. I'm quite happy with the original Minolta
software too, but I will definately give the vuescan a try.

I have found this scanner to produce some vibration while scanning. To
weigh it down with a couple of book improve my results a lot.
Best,
Jostein

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 Does anyone have any particular do's and don'ts for using this
 particular model scanner.  I bought one recently and need any help I
 can get.
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Re: October PUG Kudos

2001-10-28 Thread Steve Larson

Hi Bill, Thanks for the info on Jenny Lake. We are a lodge and motel
kind of family now, as the wife had a bad camping experience once.
  One of these years I want to do L.A. to the Grand Tetons, Yellowstone,
Mount Rushmore, Lake Louise, Vancouver, Crater Lake, Big Sur, and
back home in two weeks. I think Regina is on the way, maybe the
Larson family will pop in to say Hi to the Robb`s.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: October PUG Kudos


 - Original Message -
 From: Steve Larson 
 Subject: Re: October PUG Kudos
 
 
  Hi Tom, thanks for taking time to comment, and the nice words.
   I like your shot this month very much, especially the
 rainbow,
  pretty lucky to have that geyser go off when you were there.
 I`ve
  got take my wife and daughter to Yellowstone.
   Maybe Paul Stenquist will tell us exactly what his shot was
 of, I`ve
  been dying to know myself.
 
 Yellowstone is nice, but I would stay elsewhere. Jenny Lake in
 the Tetons used to be a very nice place to camp (tents only),
 but I don't know if it still is, and there are some nice
 forestry service campgrounds just outside the west entrance,
 which I think are actually in Idaho. Sometimes the bears are
 uppity and the officials insist that all accomodations have hard
 sides, especially on the Idaho end.
 
 William Robb
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Diopter correction for Spotmatic

2001-10-28 Thread Mike Johnston

Does anyone know if there were diopter correction lenses available for the
the Spotmatics?


TIA,

--Mike
www.37thframe.com
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RE: Allergy Shots

2001-10-28 Thread Amita Guha

Glenn, I enjoyed hearing about your visit to
the stable this weekend. I have to say I'm
jealous. :) Sounds like you had a great time!
Please post that pic of the horse with the
pictures shaved into his rump when you get
the film back.

About how to talk to critters...

One thing you might want to try with the horses
is to sort of lean in towards their faces. I heard once
that they greet each other with their muzzles, so the last
couple of times I was at a stable, I kept my hands behind
my back and stuck my face at them. If you do that, they
might nuzzle your face, or at least snort at it. :) 

For dogs and cats, I usually find it's enough to crouch
down, hold your hand out to them and wait. If they're curious,
they'll come over to check you out. 

Hope this helps,
Amita
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Re: October PUG Kudos

2001-10-28 Thread PAUL STENQUIST

Steve Larson wrote:
 
 Hi Paul,
  Thanks for explaining the shot. It is a very interesting one, I do like it
 very much. 


Thanks to both you and Tom for your kind words. I haven't been to LA
this year, but next time I'm out there we'll have to try to do a photo hike.
Paul
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Re: BW Developers-Grain differences

2001-10-28 Thread Mike Johnston

Norm,
I'll send you an article file off list. Basically, only those with access to
a variety of enlargers really understand the rather large differences that
the enlarger light source has on the appearance of bw films in the print. I
once made enlargements of the same two negatives on a Saunders 4500II and a
Leitz Iic (magnificent machine, but a bit like driving a Duesenberg to
work--I wouldn¹t want to have to print on it all the time). I wish I could
find those prints--the differences were remarkable, and highly instructive.

--Mike

Norm B. wrote:

 You're talking about different enlarger light sources right, diffused, cold,
 etc.?
 Care to expound Mike?
 Norm
 
 Mike Johnston wrote:
 
 No. It's the enlarger. The difference in perceived grain between a highly
 collimated light source and a true diffuse light source is extremely
 significant. Most enlargers are somewhere in the middle.
 
 This is one thing that causes differences in reports of the graininess of
 films. Some people can say Tri-X has golf-ball grain and others can say
 Tri-X has extremely fine grain for a fast film and both can be right.
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Re: Diopter correction for Spotmatic

2001-10-28 Thread Ken Archer

I bought one this year from a fellow PDMLer that was made for a Ricoh 
slr and it fit the Spotmatic perfectly.  I do like the Pentax model for 
my ME Super better though.  I got it from BH or KEH.

On Sunday 28 October 2001 08:24, Mike Johnston wrote:
 Does anyone know if there were diopter correction lenses available
 for the the Spotmatics?


 TIA,

 --Mike
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Re: Applying Lipstick

2001-10-28 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Hi Jim ...

From some of the private mail I received, it seems there is no
majority.  There were quite a few suggestions g

Jim Moniz wrote:
 
 I guess I might be in the minority here, but I actually like the cropped one
 a little better.  The rest of the people and chairs balance it nicely.

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Re: can i use the self-timer as a cable release?

2001-10-28 Thread RobFilms

fellow pug-sters:

i'm still learning my zx-m and wanted to ask a seemingly obvious question.

i'm looking to shoot some longer exposures of autumn landscapes.  i'm wanting 
to shoot at f/11 or f/16 to maximize dof.

i meter the scene using the zx-m.  in the upper righthand corner of the 
viewfinder i get the number 4 (1/4 of a second, right?).  i have the camera 
on a tripod.

can i use the self-timer on the zx-m, to fire the shutter at the proper 
speed?  

will there be too much camera shake for an acceptably sharp print?

occasionally when i meter a darker scene, i get 20 (i imagine this means 20 
seconds?)  will the self-timer instead of a cable release allow me an 
acceptable shot?

lastly, when i meter an even darker scene i get a flashing number, say 30 in 
the upper righthand corner.  (i imagine this means 30 seconds?)  what is the 
flashing telling me?

i'm sure these questions are answered by the zx-m manual but unfortunately i 
don't have one.

my only experiences w/longer shutter times was w/a mx and then i used a 
standard cable release.  

bottomline:  can i use the zx-m self-timer as a cable release?

as always, thank u for sharing your obvious experience.

be well.

robo
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Approaching Animals, was: Allergy Shots

2001-10-28 Thread Ken Archer

Growing up on a farm, I was around all kinds of animals for my first 20 
years.  After a lot of trial and error, I learned two things.  All 
animals, including humans, create a bubble of comfort around 
themselves.  If you invade that bubble, an animal will resort to either 
flight or fight.  I found, however, that if I did not make eye contact 
with an animal and if I acted as if I was going to walk by them, I 
could get inside that bubble of comfort and stay there as long as I 
made no threatening motion.

As a livestock photographer, those lessons have served me well.  I used 
to do livestock advertising and catalog work for many years and am 
going back into that line of photography when I retire.  Many of the 
cattle I worked with ranged from bulls that had spent most of their 
life in a show ring to some real high-headed individuals with limited 
human contact that needed little provocation.  The same principles 
applied...no eye contact (unless behind a camera) and no challenging 
motion directly toward an animal.  It works with all animals, wild, 
domestic or human.

On Sunday 28 October 2001 08:30, you wrote:
 About how to talk to critters...

 One thing you might want to try with the horses
 is to sort of lean in towards their faces. I heard once
 that they greet each other with their muzzles, so the last
 couple of times I was at a stable, I kept my hands behind
 my back and stuck my face at them. If you do that, they
 might nuzzle your face, or at least snort at it. :)

 For dogs and cats, I usually find it's enough to crouch
 down, hold your hand out to them and wait. If they're curious,
 they'll come over to check you out.

 Hope this helps,
 Amita
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Re: Approaching Animals, was: Allergy Shots

2001-10-28 Thread Cotty

 I found, however, that if I did not make eye contact 
with an animal and if I acted as if I was going to walk by them, 

If it's a cat, squint repeatedly, and look away a few times. This makes 
them feel less threatened :-)

P,

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Re[2]: Approaching Animals, was: Allergy Shots

2001-10-28 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

if it's a gorilla, especially a big one with a grey hairy back, stand
as tall as you can, stare it right in the eye and beat your chest as
loudly as you can. Calms them down no end!

---

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Sunday, October 28, 2001, 7:43:05 PM, you wrote:

 I found, however, that if I did not make eye contact 
with an animal and if I acted as if I was going to walk by them, 

 If it's a cat, squint repeatedly, and look away a few times. This makes 
 them feel less threatened :-)

 P,
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Re: Flare Tests ...,

2001-10-28 Thread Peter Spiro

A few years later (May 1979), when Pop Photography declared that the
all-time low for flare now belongs to the Pentax 40mm f/2.8 lens. I used
to use Olympus Zuiko lenses, and I can attest from personal experience
that Pentax lenses have much less flair and more contrast.



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Re: Re[2]: Approaching Animals, was: Allergy Shots

2001-10-28 Thread Ken Archer

And just how fast do you have to run to out run a silver-back gorilla?

Just a little bit faster than the guy beside you.

On Sunday 28 October 2001 13:58, you wrote:
 Hi,

 if it's a gorilla, especially a big one with a grey hairy back, stand
 as tall as you can, stare it right in the eye and beat your chest as
 loudly as you can. Calms them down no end!

 ---

  Bob
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Re: mamiya/sekor screw mount camera bodies

2001-10-28 Thread RobFilms

fellow pug-sters-

i'm thinking of getting some really cheap cameras for my twin nephews (12 
years old, combative, obnoxious-they really remind me of myself at that 
tender age)

they know that i take plenty of pix and have expressed some interest (when 
they're not being combative, obnoxiousu get the idea)

being a pentax fan was wondering if u good folks could fill me in on the ills 
and virtues of the mamiya/sekor line of cameras?  it seems that they are 
screw mounts but what of their meters, shutters and general reliability?

since i ask only to use such info to distract my nephews from their true 
nature, would any of u see fit to suggest which of the mamiya models is 
better (less bad?) than other models?

frankly, i'm trying to keep my purchase in the $25-$35 range.  if i spent 
more, i would only be disappointed when i see my nephews using their new 
camera as a football or hockey puck, or weapon of foolary that could only 
appeal to a pair of combative, obnoxious, twin, 12 year old boys.

that all said, i am really quite fond of them and would love to turn their 
energy to the light as can be found in taking pix.

i welcome any and all thoughts.

be well

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RE: Re[2]: Approaching Animals, was: Allergy Shots

2001-10-28 Thread David Hatfield

So, Bob,

We take it you' re trauma ward physician that specializes in gorilla attacks
and you're running a little low on business at the moment?

Dave

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To: Cotty
Subject: Re[2]: Approaching Animals, was: Allergy Shots

Hi,

if it's a gorilla, especially a big one with a grey hairy back, stand
as tall as you can, stare it right in the eye and beat your chest as
loudly as you can. Calms them down no end!

---

 Bob

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sunday, October 28, 2001, 7:43:05 PM, you wrote:

 I found, however, that if I did not make eye contact
with an animal and if I acted as if I was going to walk by them,

 If it's a cat, squint repeatedly, and look away a few times. This makes
 them feel less threatened :-)

 P,
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RE: I need a new printer

2001-10-28 Thread Cameron R. Hood

Lots of good deals on refurbs and closeouts at Epson.com.  Full warranty. My
advice; get a 1270 (the big one).
Get a second job to support your ink habit.

Cameron
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One UGLY slr...

2001-10-28 Thread Cameron R. Hood

http://www.mcbaincamera.com/digital/nikon/5000.htm
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Re: Battery Question

2001-10-28 Thread Alan Chan

I don't think the S76(SR44) cells last 3 times longer based on my 
experience. However, silver oxide cells do provide more steady charge over 
its life, while the voltage of alkaline cells would be dropping 
significantly over its entire life. The lithium cell, also known as CR1/3N, 
should be used only if the manual said so. I don't know the reason though. 
LX is one of them if I remember correctly. For any non-mechanical bodies 
like Super Program/A, I recommend silver oxide cells.

regards,
Alan Chan

Alkaline A76 button cells seem to work fine in my Super Program
and KX (I don't remember what's in the ME right now), but I've
got the impression that they're not lasting very long.  Since I
haven't been writing down my battery changes (I'll start doing
so now), I was wondering whether anyone could comment on the
relative life of the A76 cells versus the silver S76 or EPX76
cells.  If the silver cells do last longer than the alkalines,
do they last long enough to be worth the increased price?  (At
the store where I saw them yesterday, alkalines were $0.98 each,
and silver cells were $2.90 each.  Do the silvers last three
times as long?)

Also, I noticed lithium cells labelled 276 or something like
that, which were 3V and looked just like a pair of 76 batteries
stacked atop each other, for a little less than the cost of two
silver cells ($4.98, IIRC).  Am I right in my guess that my
cameras would be just as happy with one of these as with a pair
of S76s?  And do they last at least two and a half times as long
as a pair of alkalines?


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Re: PUG: D. Glenn A., Osojnik, Waller

2001-10-28 Thread Matjaz Osojnik

Hi Lasse,
it is really enjoying to read your thoughts about the photograph. I 
just nod in agreement with them. I took just one frame of this scene 
since it was there only for 20 secs or so. I just framed it like it 
seemed to me the best at the time. Interesting idea about the empty 
space on the left as well. I might use it if the opportunity comes. 
Recently, I sold one photograph exactly for marketing reason. Maybe 
there will be another. :)
Many thanks for writing your thoughts, 
Matjaz


 The Sea, by Matjaz Osojnik, Slovenia
 
 I seem to recall someone suggesting another crop and symmetry to this
 picture. I like it fine just as it is. The assymetrical character sort of
 gives my mind more space, and allows it to wander a bit, than had it
 been perfectly symmetrically arranged. However, I do think that a motif
 like this, very simple (not sure of the connotations of this word in
 English, no pejorative intended) and clean, can be cropped and arrranged
 in many different ways without necessarily being compromised quality wise.
 To me they may simply end up as being different pictures, not necessarily
 better or worse (although you could spoil it too of course...). I must
 admit too, that one of my initial impressions of it was like: Fine, the
 great empty space to the left can be used for (any type of) commercial or
 information messages. Not sure whether the artist would like any such
 heresy be done to his picture though :). Concerning the rendition of the
 water surface, there are two opposite wishes in my mind. On the one hand I
 wouldn't mind getting a clearer, closer, rendition of the water surface
 - I don't know whether the original allows for this; on the other hand I
 don't mind the the water being just a blue surface, since there is a
 general formalistic(?) touch to the whole picture. (By this I mean that I
 haven't perceived Matjaz wanting to really depict a subjective experience
 of any dramarical boat ride, but rather using the elements for a more
 formal depiction of elements.) It is simply what I'd call a nice
 picture, however trivial it may sound.
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Re: 'analogical' lenses coating and CCD, not fully compatible?

2001-10-28 Thread Rob Studdert

On 28 Oct 2001, at 9:11, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:

 What do you think? Have you heard about this before?

Sure have, just about the time when the first CD audio players came on the 
market some audio components were deemed digital ready :-) I would like to 
see some technical side to the argument given that lens coatings are there 
not for the sake of matching a lens to any film but singularly to reduce 
unwanted reflections. Digital lenses as far as I can determine have there 
image forming cone optimised to cover a smaller area and often offer FL 
ranges not covered by regular 35mm lenses. They may also be designed to 
have a longer effective secondary principal plane in order to reduce the angle 
of incidence on the sensor?

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
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Re: Battery Question

2001-10-28 Thread Rob Studdert

On 28 Oct 2001, at 13:27, Alan Chan wrote:

 I don't think the S76(SR44) cells last 3 times longer based on my 
 experience. However, silver oxide cells do provide more steady charge over its
 life, while the voltage of alkaline cells would be dropping significantly over
 its entire life. The lithium cell, also known as CR1/3N, should be used only if
 the manual said so. I don't know the reason though. LX is one of them if I
 remember correctly. For any non-mechanical bodies like Super Program/A, I
 recommend silver oxide cells.

There is no good reason not to use CR1/3N lithium cells in place of 2 x S76 
or equivalents, these batteries are only ever used for metering circuits which 
have an inherently high internal resistance (read low current requirement) so 
are self limiting. Since the terminal voltage remains the same there is no real 
argument not to use them, the only reason that they aren't recommended for 
use in some of the cameras is that Lithium cells this size are a relatively 
new invention.

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
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Re: 'analogical' lenses coating and CCD, not fully compatible?

2001-10-28 Thread aimcompute

Hi Rob,

What is an FL range?

The term digital lens is rather a bit of a misnomer in my opinion.  A lens
is a lens is a lens.  What counts is whether the chosen lens is suitable for
the application.

One other thing I'm thinking... since were talking (somewhat) about the use
of existing lenses on as yet non-existent digital camera bodies...  If any
lens of sufficient quality attached to the camera body achieves a critical
focus on the focal plane, and the image transmitted to the focal plane
covers the entire sensor area, be it CCD or film, that's all that matters.
When I say all the matters, I mean it in the context of the image reaching
the focal plane properly, in focus, distortion free.

The flip-side view is, if we were able to remove the film from the focal
plane and place an equal sized CCD at the focal plane, that has no bearing
on the image reaching the focal plane.  The same image is reaching the focal
plane. Lens aside, the main determining factor on image quality, at that
point,  is what is lying in the focal plane and it's ability to render the
image.

Tom C.

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: 'analogical' lenses coating and CCD, not fully compatible?


 On 28 Oct 2001, at 9:11, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:

  What do you think? Have you heard about this before?

 Sure have, just about the time when the first CD audio players came on the
 market some audio components were deemed digital ready :-) I would like to
 see some technical side to the argument given that lens coatings are there
 not for the sake of matching a lens to any film but singularly to reduce
 unwanted reflections. Digital lenses as far as I can determine have there
 image forming cone optimised to cover a smaller area and often offer FL
 ranges not covered by regular 35mm lenses. They may also be designed to
 have a longer effective secondary principal plane in order to reduce the
angle
 of incidence on the sensor?

 Cheers,

 Rob Studdert
 HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
 Tel +61-2-9554-4110
 UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
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Re: October PUG Kudos

2001-10-28 Thread Steve Larson

 Paul wrote:
 Thanks to both you and Tom for your kind words. I haven't been to LA
 this year, but next time I'm out there we'll have to try to do a photo
hike.
 Paul


Sounds like fun Paul, let me know next time you make it out west.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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Re: 'analogical' lenses coating and CCD, not fully compatible?

2001-10-28 Thread Rob Studdert

On 28 Oct 2001, at 15:40, aimcompute wrote:

 Hi Rob,
 
 What is an FL range?

Hi Tom,

FL = Focal Length :-)
 
 The term digital lens is rather a bit of a misnomer in my opinion.  A lens is
 a lens is a lens.  What counts is whether the chosen lens is suitable for the
 application.

Agreed

 One other thing I'm thinking... since were talking (somewhat) about the use of
 existing lenses on as yet non-existent digital camera bodies...  If any lens of
 sufficient quality attached to the camera body achieves a critical focus on the
 focal plane, and the image transmitted to the focal plane covers the entire
 sensor area, be it CCD or film, that's all that matters. When I say all the
 matters, I mean it in the context of the image reaching the focal plane
 properly, in focus, distortion free.

Maybe but there is possibly an angle of incidence factor ie film is not as 
sensitive to the angle of the light hitting its surface whereas the CCD cells 
really function optimally when hit by perpendicular rays. I suspect that 
symmetrical wide angle RF lenses like the CZ Hologon whose rear element 
is almost touching the film may cause problems with CCD imagers?

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
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RE: mamiya/sekor screw mount camera bodies

2001-10-28 Thread Paul M. Provencher

You can learn more about the camera on my web site at
http://whitemetal.com/pentax/mamiya_500_dtl/index.htm.

ppro

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 3:27 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: mamiya/sekor screw mount camera bodies



 fellow pug-sters-

 i'm thinking of getting some really cheap cameras for my twin nephews (12
 years old, combative, obnoxious-they really remind me of myself at that
 tender age)

 they know that i take plenty of pix and have expressed some
 interest (when
 they're not being combative, obnoxiousu get the idea)

 being a pentax fan was wondering if u good folks could fill me in
 on the ills
 and virtues of the mamiya/sekor line of cameras?  it seems that they are
 screw mounts but what of their meters, shutters and general reliability?

 since i ask only to use such info to distract my nephews from their true
 nature, would any of u see fit to suggest which of the mamiya models is
 better (less bad?) than other models?

 frankly, i'm trying to keep my purchase in the $25-$35 range.  if i spent
 more, i would only be disappointed when i see my nephews using
 their new
 camera as a football or hockey puck, or weapon of foolary that could only
 appeal to a pair of combative, obnoxious, twin, 12 year old boys.

 that all said, i am really quite fond of them and would love to
 turn their
 energy to the light as can be found in taking pix.

 i welcome any and all thoughts.

 be well

 robo
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RE: 'analogical' lenses coating and CCD, not fully compatible?

2001-10-28 Thread Bob Rapp

Rod (correctly) wrote:

Sure have, just about the time when the first CD audio players came on the
market some audio components were deemed digital ready :-) I would like to
see some technical side to the argument given that lens coatings are there
not for the sake of matching a lens to any film but singularly to reduce
unwanted reflections. Digital lenses as far as I can determine have there
image forming cone optimised to cover a smaller area and often offer FL
ranges not covered by regular 35mm lenses. They may also be designed to
have a longer effective secondary principal plane in order to reduce the
angle
of incidence on the sensor?

It seems to go back to the old arguments of lens colour. It has been held
that the German lenses are warmer than the Japanese. In colour negative
films, the manufacturers have been corrected (or enhanced) the emulsion to
render the sky blue without the need of a UV filter. The reason being that
the main market is the point and shoot crowd. For that reason, my lenses are
naked for negative films and use a UV for transparency materials.

A lens for digital IMO is one that coverage for the smaller format and
probably unusable for 35 mm. However, a 35 mm format lens may provide too
much coverage and degrade the image due to flare.

Bob Rapp
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Re: One UGLY slr...

2001-10-28 Thread Wendy Beard

At 18:29 28-10-2001 -0500, you wrote:
From: Cameron R. Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: One UGLY slr...

http://www.mcbaincamera.com/digital/nikon/5000.htm
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One word:

EEeeeuuugg


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Re: mamiya/sekor screw mount camera bodies

2001-10-28 Thread William Robb

The Mamiya lenses are pretty crappy (I don't think Mamiya
actually made their 35mm cameras and lenses, BTW). Also, if I
recall correctly, they have some sort of locking pin extending
from the lens mount that prevents them from being mounted on any
other screw mount camera.
William Robb
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: mamiya/sekor screw mount camera bodies


 fellow pug-sters-

 i'm thinking of getting some really cheap cameras for my twin
nephews (12
 years old, combative, obnoxious-they really remind me of
myself at that
 tender age)

 they know that i take plenty of pix and have expressed some
interest (when
 they're not being combative, obnoxiousu get the idea)

 being a pentax fan was wondering if u good folks could fill me
in on the ills
 and virtues of the mamiya/sekor line of cameras?  it seems
that they are
 screw mounts but what of their meters, shutters and general
reliability?

 since i ask only to use such info to distract my nephews from
their true
 nature, would any of u see fit to suggest which of the mamiya
models is
 better (less bad?) than other models?

 frankly, i'm trying to keep my purchase in the $25-$35 range.
if i spent
 more, i would only be disappointed when i see my nephews using
their new
 camera as a football or hockey puck, or weapon of foolary that
could only
 appeal to a pair of combative, obnoxious, twin, 12 year old
boys.

 that all said, i am really quite fond of them and would love
to turn their
 energy to the light as can be found in taking pix.

 i welcome any and all thoughts.
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Re: mamiya/sekor screw mount camera bodies

2001-10-28 Thread Wendy Beard

At 18:29 28-10-2001 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  frankly, i'm trying to keep my purchase in the $25-$35 range.  if i spent
  more, i would only be disappointed when i see my nephews using
  their new
  camera as a football or hockey puck, or weapon of foolary that could only
  appeal to a pair of combative, obnoxious, twin, 12 year old boys.

Sounds to me like you need a couple of Zenits
A nice cheap, solid piece of weaponry.

---
Wendy  Paul Beard
Ottawa, Canada
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Perspective correction with PhotoDeluxe

2001-10-28 Thread Peter Spiro

Maybe everybody else already knows this, but I just recently discovered a
very useful feature in the cheap software that comes bundled with most
scanners and digital cameras.  I've written up how to do it, along with
before and after pictures.  (Of course, after I proudly showed my
wife what I had achieved, she declared that she likes the before
picture better.  Maybe I picked a bad example of a building that looks
better when it is leanding over 
backwards.)  http://ca.geocities.com/spirope/perspective.htm



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RE: mamiya/sekor screw mount camera bodies

2001-10-28 Thread Bob Rapp

-
i'm thinking of getting some really cheap cameras for my twin nephews (12
years old, combative, obnoxious-they really remind me of myself at that
tender age)

You may try Fuji cameras of the same era. My brother had one and pawned the
50 mm standard to my father so he could have the inferior Takumar in his. I
still remind him of it! The lenses sucked.

Bob
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Re: mamiya/sekor screw mount camera bodies

2001-10-28 Thread JeffW.

M/S lenses were middle of the road and only the SX lenses have the pin. They
are for the DSX/MSX open-aperture metering bodies.

JeffW.

 The Mamiya lenses are pretty crappy (I don't think Mamiya
 actually made their 35mm cameras and lenses, BTW). Also, if I
 recall correctly, they have some sort of locking pin extending
 from the lens mount that prevents them from being mounted on any
 other screw mount camera.
 William Robb
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Re: Perspective correction with PhotoDeluxe

2001-10-28 Thread Rob Studdert

On 29 Oct 2001, at 0:41, Peter Spiro wrote:

 Maybe everybody else already knows this, 

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/perspective.html

:-)


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RE: mamiya/sekor screw mount camera bodies

2001-10-28 Thread Paul M. Provencher

I believe Vivitar had a hand on making some mamiya lenses.  I am sure JCO
will chime in to extoll the virtues of one particular lens that he favors
over the SMCT 20mm.  The pin you mentioned is there on late lenses but not
on the lenses contemporary with the TL and DTL cameras.  I don't think much
of the lenses although the normals are OK for getting started.  And the spot
metering is nice enough.

ppro


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Robb
 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 7:17 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: mamiya/sekor screw mount camera bodies



 The Mamiya lenses are pretty crappy (I don't think Mamiya
 actually made their 35mm cameras and lenses, BTW). Also, if I
 recall correctly, they have some sort of locking pin extending
 from the lens mount that prevents them from being mounted on any
 other screw mount camera.
 William Robb
 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 2:26 PM
 Subject: Re: mamiya/sekor screw mount camera bodies


  fellow pug-sters-
 
  i'm thinking of getting some really cheap cameras for my twin
 nephews (12
  years old, combative, obnoxious-they really remind me of
 myself at that
  tender age)
 
  they know that i take plenty of pix and have expressed some
 interest (when
  they're not being combative, obnoxiousu get the idea)
 
  being a pentax fan was wondering if u good folks could fill me
 in on the ills
  and virtues of the mamiya/sekor line of cameras?  it seems
 that they are
  screw mounts but what of their meters, shutters and general
 reliability?
 
  since i ask only to use such info to distract my nephews from
 their true
  nature, would any of u see fit to suggest which of the mamiya
 models is
  better (less bad?) than other models?
 
  frankly, i'm trying to keep my purchase in the $25-$35 range.
 if i spent
  more, i would only be disappointed when i see my nephews using
 their new
  camera as a football or hockey puck, or weapon of foolary that
 could only
  appeal to a pair of combative, obnoxious, twin, 12 year old
 boys.
 
  that all said, i am really quite fond of them and would love
 to turn their
  energy to the light as can be found in taking pix.
 
  i welcome any and all thoughts.
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Re: mamiya/sekor screw mount camera bodies

2001-10-28 Thread LEDMRVM

In a message dated 10/28/2001 7:19:14 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The Mamiya lenses are pretty crappy (I don't think Mamiya
  actually made their 35mm cameras and lenses, BTW). Also, if I
  recall correctly, they have some sort of locking pin extending
  from the lens mount that prevents them from being mounted on any
  other screw mount camera.
  William Robb
  
Actually, Mamiya made most if not all of their 35mm SLR bodies and cameras. 
Only the later screw mount lenses lenses as modified for open aperture 
metering with the DSX/MSX bodies had the locking pin (lug?). The lenses made 
for the TL and DTL have the same single pin arrangement as the pre-open 
aperture metering Pentax lenses - I have several which are now retired. The 
lenses were better than crappy but distinctly inferior to Takumars IMO.

Regards,
Ed M.
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Re: BMP vs. TIF

2001-10-28 Thread PAUL STENQUIST

I've always stored my images as TIFF files, probably because I use Quark
Xpress for a lot of things, and Quark has always supported TIFF. (I'm a
Mac user of course.) Out of habit I store all my hi-res scans as tiffs
and make my color prints from tiffs. I don't have any particular reason
for doing so, but it has always worked well for me.
Paul

Doug Franklin wrote:
 
 On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:08:37 +1300, David A. Mann wrote:
 
   The downside of using TIFF is that many if not most TIFF readers don't
  support the standard fully (which you touched on in your post).  This is fine if
  you don't use too many of the features but sometimes you'll come across an
  oddball file that you can't load in some programs.
 
 TIFF is a very flexible, capable, and, thus, complex file format.  It
 was specifically designed to be able to represent any digital image.
 It supports just about any compression type out there.  It supports
 color depths from one bit per pixel to 65,536 bits per color per pixel
 (IIRC).  It supports images where the resolution is different in one
 direction than the other.  It supports RGB color encoding, two or three
 varieties of CMYK color encoding, and other color encodings only useful
 to very small industrial niches.  It supports notes and other textual
 annotations.  It's the proverbial everything and the kitchen sink
 standard.
 
 That's great if you have some wacky image data to store or exchange.
 That is, it's great if you can find a TIFF creator/reader that supports
 the specific sort of wackiness you're dealing with.  It also means,
 though, that _very_ few creators/readers support the whole spec, or
 even a large fraction of it.  And it means that there are lots of buggy
 creators and readers out there.  PhotoShop probably does as well as
 just about any of them on PCs (I've never done specific tests) but I
 doubt it supports all of the spec (there's some really strange stuff in
 there, like compression and image formats for early fax images).
 
 As someone who's written TIFF creators and readers, writing one that's
 full function and fully supports the entire TIFF spec is a daunting
 task.  Making it able to accurately render the images to a display
 surface (monitor, printer, etc.) is even more daunting, because TIFF
 supports a lot of stuff that you just can't reasonably do unless the
 display surface and the underlying system are built to handle it.
 
 TTYL, DougF
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Re: Perspective correction with PhotoDeluxe

2001-10-28 Thread Tom Rittenhouse

She might have liked the darker color of the before pic grin.

We are used to buildings looking like that when we are so close we have to
tilt our head way back to see it. From father away we expect the building to
look straight. Pschologically, I have found that a partial correction often
looks best. Anyway, the technique is useful and you have added it to your
arsenel of capabilities.

Your webpage will undoubtedly prove useful to many. It is nice to see folk
trying to help others improve their images.
--graywolf

- Original Message -
From: Peter Spiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 7:41 PM
Subject: Perspective correction with PhotoDeluxe


Maybe everybody else already knows this, but I just recently discovered a
very useful feature in the cheap software that comes bundled with most
scanners and digital cameras. I've written up how to do it, along with
before and after pictures. (Of course, after I proudly showed my
wife what I had achieved, she declared that she likes the before
picture better. Maybe I picked a bad example of a building that looks
better when it is leanding over backwards.)
http://ca.geocities.com/spirope/perspective.htm



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Re: Hamrick Vuescan WOW!

2001-10-28 Thread Bruce Dayton

Tom,

I had the same reaction the first time I tried Vuescan with my then HP S20.
Pretty much a night and day comparison.  I'm glad it worked well for you.
Remember to still take a few pictures besides scanning now.  :)

Bruce Dayton


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Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 11:26 AM
Subject: Hamrick Vuescan WOW!


 Thanks to Bruce and those who recommended Hamrick Vuescan.  I downloaded
the
 trial version and after scanning my first slide I'm maniacally dancing
 around the house with glee!  It's like having a brand new scanner!

 I haven't had a chance to thoroughly evaluate it, but I just paid for and
 registered my copy so I can get rid of the watermarks in the trial
version.

 Download file size was about 900K.  Installation expands it to 1.3M and
 takes about a minute.  The installation was picture perfect professional,
 telling me what I wanted to know and only what I wanted.

 It recognized my scanner with no problems.

 My first scan was SO MUCH BETTER than the original using Minolta's
software.
 The only setting I changed from default was the multipass option.

 I can't wait to start really using it and seeing what it can do.

 Why, how could Minolta ever sell this scanner with their crummy software
 when something like this is available?  It's obvious they skimped bigtime.
 Their released software does not begin to take advantage of the hardware
 capabilities.

 Thanks again!

 Tom C (for me this is really excited)
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Re: mamiya/sekor screw mount camera bodies

2001-10-28 Thread PAUL STENQUIST

My first SLR was a used Mamiya Sekor 1000 DTL and it served me very well
for more than five years and at least 1000 rolls of film. It's a sturdy
workhorse with a good meter that can be set to either spot of averaging
configuration. the 1000 TL is averaging meter only but is equally tough.
The 500 TL is the same camera but with only a 1/500 maximum shutter
speed (as compared to 1/1000 for the others). 
Paul

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 fellow pug-sters-
 
 i'm thinking of getting some really cheap cameras for my twin nephews (12
 years old, combative, obnoxious-they really remind me of myself at that
 tender age)
 
 they know that i take plenty of pix and have expressed some interest (when
 they're not being combative, obnoxiousu get the idea)
 
 being a pentax fan was wondering if u good folks could fill me in on the ills
 and virtues of the mamiya/sekor line of cameras?  it seems that they are
 screw mounts but what of their meters, shutters and general reliability?
 
 since i ask only to use such info to distract my nephews from their true
 nature, would any of u see fit to suggest which of the mamiya models is
 better (less bad?) than other models?
 
 frankly, i'm trying to keep my purchase in the $25-$35 range.  if i spent
 more, i would only be disappointed when i see my nephews using their new
 camera as a football or hockey puck, or weapon of foolary that could only
 appeal to a pair of combative, obnoxious, twin, 12 year old boys.
 
 that all said, i am really quite fond of them and would love to turn their
 energy to the light as can be found in taking pix.
 
 i welcome any and all thoughts.
 
 be well
 
 robo
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Re: mamiya/sekor screw mount camera bodies

2001-10-28 Thread Martin Trucco

The Mamiya lenses are pretty crappy (I don't think Mamiya actually made
their 35mm cameras and lenses, BTW). Also, if I recall correctly, they have
some sort of locking pin extending from the lens mount that prevents them
from being mounted on any other screw mount camera.
William Robb

Sorry but I don't agree with you. I have a Mamiya 60 2.8 Macro (1:1) M42
screw mount and both it mounts well on other screwmount bodies and is a good
performer.

Rgds

Martin
www.martintrucco.com.ar
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Scanners-thinking of a new one

2001-10-28 Thread RH

I want to get a scanner that I can use to scan negatives or slides. Will
they all do this or is there a certain model I should look for? My school
has a nAgfa with all kinds of inserts for different size films but it cost
$2500. I am looking for a home model that won't cause me to have to mortgage
my house. Will the cheap USB ones work for negatives or do I need a better
one?
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Re: mamiya/sekor screw mount camera bodies

2001-10-28 Thread jmadams

There is an M/S 500DTL on EBay Bin $34.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1290716392

James

- Original Message -
From: PAUL STENQUIST [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: mamiya/sekor screw mount camera bodies


 My first SLR was a used Mamiya Sekor 1000 DTL and it served me very well
 for more than five years and at least 1000 rolls of film. It's a sturdy
 workhorse with a good meter that can be set to either spot of averaging
 configuration. the 1000 TL is averaging meter only but is equally tough.
 The 500 TL is the same camera but with only a 1/500 maximum shutter
 speed (as compared to 1/1000 for the others).
 Paul

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  fellow pug-sters-
 
  i'm thinking of getting some really cheap cameras for my twin nephews
(12
  years old, combative, obnoxious-they really remind me of myself at that
  tender age)
 
  they know that i take plenty of pix and have expressed some interest
(when
  they're not being combative, obnoxiousu get the idea)
 
  being a pentax fan was wondering if u good folks could fill me in on the
ills
  and virtues of the mamiya/sekor line of cameras?  it seems that they are
  screw mounts but what of their meters, shutters and general reliability?
 
  since i ask only to use such info to distract my nephews from their true
  nature, would any of u see fit to suggest which of the mamiya models is
  better (less bad?) than other models?
 
  frankly, i'm trying to keep my purchase in the $25-$35 range.  if i
spent
  more, i would only be disappointed when i see my nephews using their
new
  camera as a football or hockey puck, or weapon of foolary that could
only
  appeal to a pair of combative, obnoxious, twin, 12 year old boys.
 
  that all said, i am really quite fond of them and would love to turn
their
  energy to the light as can be found in taking pix.
 
  i welcome any and all thoughts.
 
  be well
 
  robo
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Re: Scanners-thinking of a new one

2001-10-28 Thread aimcompute

Take a look at Minolta's and some other manufacturers offerings.  The
biggest differences in price between rich-man and joe-off-the-street prices
will be resolution, bit depth, and dynamic range.  You can still get pretty
decent results with a $500 scanner though.  (Not that I wouldn't want the
newest Nikon).

I have the Minolta Dimage Scan Dual and have been reasonably happy with it

 Tom C.


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From: RH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 6:42 PM
Subject: Scanners-thinking of a new one


 I want to get a scanner that I can use to scan negatives or slides. Will
 they all do this or is there a certain model I should look for? My school
 has a nAgfa with all kinds of inserts for different size films but it cost
 $2500. I am looking for a home model that won't cause me to have to
mortgage
 my house. Will the cheap USB ones work for negatives or do I need a better
 one?
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FS: Pentax and assorted items

2001-10-28 Thread Rob Studdert

I have the following equipment for sale pre-eBay, please email directly off-list 
for further information, I will offer free shipping world wide for some of the 
items.

Asahi (Pentax) Takumar lens hood, 49mm 135/3.5, EX+
Pentax-A SMC 20mm f2.8 K-mount lens, LN
Pentax Rear Converter-A 2X-S, K-mnt, SMC, LN
Pentax LX Focusing Screen SE-20, LNIB
Pentax LX Camera Body, EX
Pentax Motor Drive LX, EX+
Pentax Power Cord M (3m) for LX/MX motor, LN
Pentax LX FA-2 Finder, EX, LN optics
Pentax LX Camera strap lugs, UG
Pentax Winder ME II, for ME Super, SuperA, EX+
Pentax Motor MX EX+
Pentax Battery Grip M, EX+
Pentax AF200T Flash, EX+
Pentax 4P Sync Cord B for LX/645/SuperA flash, EX+
NPC Polaroid ProBack II for Pentax LX, LN
Kenko Pz-AF 2X Teleplus MC7 Pentax KAF TC, EX+
Vivitar Series I Zoom 35-85 f2.8 Pentax K, EX+ 

I also have Jobo tanks, Bogen/Manfrotto tripod and heads, Polaroid film 
scanner and film printer, Olympus TTL flash components, Leica M, Contax G 
and SLR lenses and bodies and some other misc gear for sale.

Cheers,

Rob Studdert (eBay ID: distudio)

PO Box 701
HURSTVILLE BC NSW 1481
AUSTRALIA

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RE: mamiya/sekor screw mount camera bodies

2001-10-28 Thread J. C. O'Connell

dont know much about the series but the M/S
21mm F4 SX is a great lens. There is a brand
new one in the box on ebay now for $195.
JCO

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul M. Provencher
 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 7:55 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: mamiya/sekor screw mount camera bodies


 I believe Vivitar had a hand on making some mamiya lenses.  I am sure JCO
 will chime in to extoll the virtues of one particular lens that he favors
 over the SMCT 20mm.  The pin you mentioned is there on late lenses but not
 on the lenses contemporary with the TL and DTL cameras.  I don't
 think much
 of the lenses although the normals are OK for getting started.
 And the spot
 metering is nice enough.

 ppro


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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Robb
  Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 7:17 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: mamiya/sekor screw mount camera bodies
 
 
 
  The Mamiya lenses are pretty crappy (I don't think Mamiya
  actually made their 35mm cameras and lenses, BTW). Also, if I
  recall correctly, they have some sort of locking pin extending
  from the lens mount that prevents them from being mounted on any
  other screw mount camera.
  William Robb
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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 2:26 PM
  Subject: Re: mamiya/sekor screw mount camera bodies
 
 
   fellow pug-sters-
  
   i'm thinking of getting some really cheap cameras for my twin
  nephews (12
   years old, combative, obnoxious-they really remind me of
  myself at that
   tender age)
  
   they know that i take plenty of pix and have expressed some
  interest (when
   they're not being combative, obnoxiousu get the idea)
  
   being a pentax fan was wondering if u good folks could fill me
  in on the ills
   and virtues of the mamiya/sekor line of cameras?  it seems
  that they are
   screw mounts but what of their meters, shutters and general
  reliability?
  
   since i ask only to use such info to distract my nephews from
  their true
   nature, would any of u see fit to suggest which of the mamiya
  models is
   better (less bad?) than other models?
  
   frankly, i'm trying to keep my purchase in the $25-$35 range.
  if i spent
   more, i would only be disappointed when i see my nephews using
  their new
   camera as a football or hockey puck, or weapon of foolary that
  could only
   appeal to a pair of combative, obnoxious, twin, 12 year old
  boys.
  
   that all said, i am really quite fond of them and would love
  to turn their
   energy to the light as can be found in taking pix.
  
   i welcome any and all thoughts.
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