Re: FA lenses aperture reporting

[David A. Mann]

Alan Chan wrote:

> But then it's just a displayed value, and doesn't affect the
> accuracy of the metering at all.

I assume the body will use this info to set the shutter speed when in "A" 
mode, I assume it is stepless.  The amount by which the mount moves is 
miniscule so I doubt it will really affect the shutter speed.

Cheers,


- Dave

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Re: From the Nikon digest

[David A. Mann]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] quoted:

> Anyone who likes older cameras should handle the K2. Gorgeous.

Oh yes :)

I will pick mine up from being repaired tonight :) :)

Cheers,


- Dave

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Re: 67II test

[Bob Rapp]

- Original Message -
From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Tom,
>
> I have shot several hundred rolls through my 67II and the only time I
> have not gotten a full 10 frames is when I wind it past the start
> marks before closing the back.
>
> Bruce
>
Does the 67II have two alignment indexes, one each for 12 and 220 film? If
it does, you may be using the wrong index.

Bob
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Re: Pentax MX

[Bob Rapp]

- Original Message -
From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Could you please let me know the nature of the after effect of that
>surgery?
>You may reply off the list if you wish.

I do not know how to describe it in English. My friend had this surgery few
years ago in Australia. He said his vision was not as good at night
(something to do with the street lights). Also, surgery corrected eyesight
was not considered perfect by airliners afaik (my friend was trying to be a
pilot).

regards,
Alan Chan


Alan,
As we get older, we all will suffer from opaque lenes. We loose contrast
to the point that focusing may be difficult. I went to AF originally because
of this. Since, I have gone back to manual stuff for ease and the comfort of
knowing I am in charge.
My vision, without glasses, is very sharp up to about 1 meter but beyond
that, I need glasses. My correction is -1.75 diopters and I have trouble
seeing the microprism on many of my cameras. As a result, I use the split
image or use a magnifier for critical work.

Bob
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Pentax Rear Converter ST-2x

[Arnold Stark]

Hello,

in an old "Spotlite" of Pentax Germany I found information that besides
the well known T6-2X there was or was to be a Pentax Rear Converter
ST-2X. Doies anybody know whether this converter was ever available?

Arnold
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NOT FS: SMC Pentax-A* 1:1.4 85mm

[Arnold Stark]

Hello everybody,

after two days of rethinking I have come to this conclusion:
I have decided not to sell the lens at the moment.
Please do not make offers.
Sorry!

Arnold
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RE: 67II test

[tom]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bruce Dayton
>
>
> Tom,
>
> I have shot several hundred rolls through my 67II

Already? Wow.

> and the
> only time I
> have not gotten a full 10 frames is when I wind it past the start
> marks before closing the back.

I think we didn't know where they were.

Still, I'm heartened by the fact I can make giant enlargements of Mark
Roberts' head.

tv
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Re: 67II test

[Bruce Dayton]

Tom,

I have shot several hundred rolls through my 67II and the only time I
have not gotten a full 10 frames is when I wind it past the start
marks before closing the back.

Bruce


Wednesday, July 10, 2002, 2:56:56 PM, you wrote:

t> I developed a couple of rolls I put through the 67II at GFM, and found
t> that the last frame is cut off on each roll.

t> How many frames should I have gotten from a roll of 120? I got 9 and
t> 1/2.

t> I think I'll send the 1/2-frame to Doug in appreciation to him for
t> showing me how to load the 67II.

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RE: Pentax MX

[Alan Chan]

>Could you please let me know the nature of the after effect of that 
>surgery?
>You may reply off the list if you wish.

I do not know how to describe it in English. My friend had this surgery few 
years ago in Australia. He said his vision was not as good at night 
(something to do with the street lights). Also, surgery corrected eyesight 
was not considered perfect by airliners afaik (my friend was trying to be a 
pilot).

regards,
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Re: LX gallery

[ERNReed]

In a message dated 7/10/2002 8:37:43 PM Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Here is the official link.
> http://www.pdml.net/LXGallery/index.html
> 

Thank you, kind sir.

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RE: How do you beat the blahs?

[Cesar Matamoros II]

-Original Message-
From: Patrick White
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 6:53 PM

I've been in a blah mood photographically speaking these days.  Nothing I
seeing seems interesting enough to take a picture of.  Last year I couldn't
find the time to take all the pictures I wanted to.  This year I can't
figure out why I should snap the shutter on anything.
Anyone else ever had a similar bout of the blahs?  What did you do to "beat
the blahs"?

thanks,
patbob ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Patbob,

I am fortunate to have a couple of friends who are getting interested in
photography.  One has Pentax gear, some of mine too, the other Canon.

Anyway, I can get them to go do some shooting.  One is far from here, but
we have started a PUG-like theme assignment between the two of us.  But once
they begin to ask questions I start to get the spark back in me.  Though I
must admit that I rarely get the blahs photographically.  I will hit
situations that are blah in terms of photos then I cheat and use the digital
to get something taken.  But I just enjoy taking photos.  With someone else
involved you can compare perspectives and what each of you notice.

I will also take out some gear that I don´t usually use, like the
screwmount stuff and take photos with that.  A change of the routine is
always good.

Tonight I borrowed the squadron´s Nikon D1H digital SLR to take shots at
their intramural softball game.  I surely missed the flare resistance of
Pentax lenses though.

Hope this gives you some ideas,

César
Panama City, Florida
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RE: Pentax MX

[Ayash Kanto Mukherjee]

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Chris Brogden wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Ayash Kanto Mukherjee wrote:
> 
> > 3. If the power of your eye has not changed for the past 8 years or more,
> >please think of undergoing a lasic surgery which will reduce the power
> >of your eyes to 0 precisely.
> 
> Not as it stands now!  There are still too many problems with the surgery
> for my liking, and what little data there is about how the surgery affects
> you in the long term is not too pleasant.  I'll wait for the technology to
> mature, which may not be in my lifetime.

Could you please let me know the nature of the after effect of that surgery?
You may reply off the list if you wish. 

With regards,
Ayash.
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Re: How do you beat the blahs?

[Ayash Kanto Mukherjee]

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Patrick White wrote:

>   Anyone else ever had a similar bout of the blahs?  What did you do to "beat
> the blahs"?

Yes, sometimes I feel that way, blahs. 

I usually surf the net to watch photographs made by other photographers. 
Sometimes it gives a lot of ideas which I can use with some modifications 
in the future photographic ventures. This cheers me a lot.

Cheers,
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Re: Drool, screwheads!

[Steve Larson]

Frank,
 I think that lens is the same as a couple other 135/1.8`s. Maybe Paul
Str. will jump in and clarify. I wouldn`t mind having it.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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Subject: Re: Drool, screwheads!


> Very nice looking body!  I love black Spotties, probably because there
> are so few of them around.  Never heard of a Samigon lens, though.  Some
> generic thing, or is it something sought after that I've never heard
> of?  (I'm guessing the former...)
> 
> regards,
> frank
> 
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Re: Drool, screwheads!

[Steve Larson]

OK, I`m cleaning the drool off my desk now.
Steve

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Re: Always at the ready - OT

[Rob Studdert]

On 10 Jul 2002 at 8:24, Francis Alviar wrote:

> Hello to all,
> 
> How many of you guys bring your camera equipment to
> work if you have a primary means of employment and
> photography is your hobby?  And also how much gear do
> you carry?

I work from home so I always have my full gear selection :-)

However if I am heading out to the bank or other tedious chores like grocery 
shopping cameras simply get in the way. If I am heading to a friends place or 
into the city or to see family with no specific photographic projects in mind I 
usually tote my Olympus E10 or Leica M6/Summicron 35/1.4 ASPH depending upon 
the location.

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
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Re: K1000/KX as robust as Spotmatic?

[Frantisek Vlcek]

Wednesday, July 10, 2002, 3:19:41 AM, Chris wrote:
CB> On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Frantisek Vlcek wrote:

>> The later K1000 were made in HK and feature plastic top and bottom
>> shells (metalized).

CB> What do you mean by "metalized"?  Do they have a thin coating of metal, or
CB> are they just made to look/feel like metal?

It's been some time, but once I had one K1000 with the plastic bottom and
top. It used, IIRC, same process as first used on Praktica L cameras
top/bottom plates and also some FD Canons - a molded plastic top and
bottom, which is plated with a thin layer of metal, probably
chromeplating (it needs a special layer to be made on the plastic first
so it can be electroplated with chromium). It makes it look like metal, but keeps
weight down significantly. But it can also crack if it falls. That's
exactly what happened to two K1000 I saw back then, both had cracks in
the bottom plate from impact (one was mine).

Good light,
   Frantisek Vlcek
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How do you beat the blahs?

[Patrick White]

I've been in a blah mood photographically speaking these days.  Nothing I
seeing seems interesting enough to take a picture of.  Last year I couldn't
find the time to take all the pictures I wanted to.  This year I can't
figure out why I should snap the shutter on anything.
Anyone else ever had a similar bout of the blahs?  What did you do to "beat
the blahs"?

thanks,
patbob ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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RE: 67II test

[tom]

That's what I figured.

Thanks.


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> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 6:31 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: 67II test
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: tom
> Subject: 67II test
>
>
> > I developed a couple of rolls I put through the 67II at GFM,
> and found
> > that the last frame is cut off on each roll.
> >
> > How many frames should I have gotten from a roll of 120? I got
> 9 and
> > 1/2.
>
> You should get 10. My 6x7 will cut off the last frame sometimes
> if I roll the film too far past the start lines.
> William Robb
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Re: 67II test

[William Robb]

- Original Message -
From: tom
Subject: 67II test


> I developed a couple of rolls I put through the 67II at GFM,
and found
> that the last frame is cut off on each roll.
>
> How many frames should I have gotten from a roll of 120? I got
9 and
> 1/2.

You should get 10. My 6x7 will cut off the last frame sometimes
if I roll the film too far past the start lines.
William Robb
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Re: Always at the ready - OT

[Mishka]

Stylus Epic with Supra 400 is *always* in my bag. Although I don't use
it that often, this is truly an unbeatable "just in case" camera.

And on the weekends it's usually MX with pancake lens. Which gets
augmented with M135/3.5 and 24/2.8 and gets into a Domke satchel,
together with a table top bogen tripod, if I actually do expect to take
any pictures 

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RE: Pentax MX

[Geir Aalberg]

John Coyle wrote:

 > IMHO, it's unrealistic to criticise the LED brightness in these
 > circumstances - if they were bright enough to see in full sunlight,
 > you'd be blinded by them at night!

Funnily I've never had similar problems with the displays on my Nikon F-60 
and Olympus E-10. Presume these are backlit LCDs which of course weren't 
available around 1980, but still...

Anyway, all MXs are at least 17 years old, and I presume LEDs can fade with 
age. On my camera several of them they seem to "bleed" into the hole of the 
adjacent one, so I have to rely on color regardless of position for most 
exposures.

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67II test

[tom]

I developed a couple of rolls I put through the 67II at GFM, and found
that the last frame is cut off on each roll.

How many frames should I have gotten from a roll of 120? I got 9 and
1/2.

I think I'll send the 1/2-frame to Doug in appreciation to him for
showing me how to load the 67II.

tv
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Re: Drool, screwheads!

[frank theriault]

Very nice looking body!  I love black Spotties, probably because there
are so few of them around.  Never heard of a Samigon lens, though.  Some
generic thing, or is it something sought after that I've never heard
of?  (I'm guessing the former...)

regards,
frank

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RE: the photogenic Finger Lakes

[John Mullan]

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:11:21 -0400, Amita Guha wrote:

>Funny you should mention Seneca Lodge. That's where we stayed the last
>two times we went there, and we've walked the Gorge from the bottom
>up, twice.
>
>http://www.beyondthepath.com/photos/wg701/gorge.html
>
>Thanks for explaining about the arrows in the ceiling. I was wonderng
>what that was all about. :)
>
>Will it be too cold to go hiking up there the second to last week of
>October?
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Considering I have seen it snow in Watkins Glen in July, I would venture to guess that 
unless you are a hot-house flower that daytime temperatures should be great for 
hiking.  A 
few weeks later and it could be getting cold though.  Have a wonderful trip.

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RE: Love is(of) a wonderful thing (limited LUST)

[Pat White]

And people think the Brotherhood is different!  The Limited Lads seem, well, er, 
self-sufficient .

Pat White
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Re: PZ-1P Low Light Capability

[Jostein]

Hello, Frank.
I have tried to compare the Z-1 and the LX for accuracy in low light
conditions. The meter in Z-1 is the same as in Z-1p, I think. It's an unfair
comparison since the the LX meter works off the film and is centerweight
whereas the Z-1 is off the mirror and multi-field.  But I was only
interested in the result for practical purposes.

My result was that within the guaranteed metering range of the Z-1, the Z-1
multifield is usually as good as the LX centerweight. Sometimes it's better.
Most noticeably with bright surfaces (snow in my test, but sunny ripples on
water too i guess...).

When the light is below the metering range for Z-1, the LX just goes on and
on. Just love that camera...:-)

Best,
Jostein

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Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:27 PM
Subject: PZ-1P Low Light Capability


> Hello. I know the LX reigns supreme with regards to low light shooting,
but does anyone have any actual experience using the PZ-1P under low light
conditions? If so, please share your observation/opinion. Thank you.
>
> Francis T. Knapik
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Re: Always at the ready - OT

[Pat White]

Presently, I usually carry my MZ-S with FA 28-70 f4, but when I was working, on the 
railway and later at the powerplant, I often brought my MX with 28 and 50mm lenses.  
When working afternoons or midnights, I even sometimes brought a small tripod!

Pat White
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Re: Studio flash (slightly long)

[Pat White]

Anthony has very good advice.  I'll add that an on-camera flash unit with a GN of 40 
(in meters at ISO 100) has about 150 watt-seconds of power.  I used a pair of Metz 40s 
before I bought my Bowens and Courtenay studio strobes and found the power to be OK 
for f4 and f5.6, but marginal for f8 and inadequate for f11, which is sometimes 
necessary, especially when photographing two or more people at even slightly varying 
distances.

Therefore, I'd suggest getting the 200 watt-second units at least, as there will be 
some light loss when using umbrellas or soft boxes.

When flashmetering cordlessly, you press the button on the meter, which ignores the 
ambient light and waits up to thirty seconds or so for the burst of light from the 
flash, then gives you a reading.

Your studio seems large enough, but why would you shoot across the short side, rather 
than shooting from one end to the other?  Many photographers like to position the 
model up to 2m from the backdrop, to throw it out of focus, to avoid visible shadows, 
and to allow it to go dark, if required.  Also, if you can back up further from your 
model, you can use longer lenses, which sometimes give a more flattering look.  I 
often use 150 to 200mm for head and shoulders, using 50mm only for three-quarter or 
full-length shots.  Good luck and good shooting.

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Drool, screwheads!

[Collin Brendemuehl]

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Last PDML UK 2002 Update before Saturday

[Cotty]

Last PDML UK 2002 update posted:

http://www.macads.co.uk/pdml/

If you're coming and have a mobile phone (cell phone), and can't find the 
Base Camp at the airshow, ring me on:

07836 694831 (answerphone also)

and I can talk you down for a smooth landing :-)

Updates posted throughout Saturday with pics.

Cheers,

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Re[2]: Ansel Adams and Snoopy

[Bob Walkden]

Hi,

it's at the Hayward Gallery in London until September the somethingth.
The Hayward Gallery is in the South Bank complex, on the south-west
end of Waterloo Bridge, nearest tube = Waterloo.

http://www.hayward.org.uk/

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Wednesday, July 10, 2002, 8:44:16 PM, you wrote:

> Bob,

> Do you know where the exhibition is, and for howlong?
> Or do you have a weblink to it?

> On Wednesday 10 July 2002 20:03, Bob Walkden wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> the exhibition "Ansel Adams at 100" opens here in London soon,
>> tomorrow I think, and of course I intend to see it. There has been a
>> flurry of Ansel-related reviews in the press here, of course. In the
>> review section of today's "Independent" newspaper is this article, in
>> which the author says a number of interesting things:
>>
>> http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/story.jsp?story=313763
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bob
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Re: Ansel Adams and Snoopy

[Frits J. Wüthrich]

Bob,

Do you know where the exhibition is, and for howlong?
Or do you have a weblink to it?

On Wednesday 10 July 2002 20:03, Bob Walkden wrote:
> Hi,
>
> the exhibition "Ansel Adams at 100" opens here in London soon,
> tomorrow I think, and of course I intend to see it. There has been a
> flurry of Ansel-related reviews in the press here, of course. In the
> review section of today's "Independent" newspaper is this article, in
> which the author says a number of interesting things:
>
> http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/story.jsp?story=313763
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob
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RE: Love is(of) a wonderful thing (limited LUST)

[Alan Chan]

>I am hoping that the fact these are not 'my focal lengths' and that I
>have the magnificent Fa24/2 will keep me safe.  Who am I kidding!!!

You would not feel safe until you... bought them ALL!!  :)

regards,
Alan Chan


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Ansel Adams and Snoopy

[Bob Walkden]

Hi,

the exhibition "Ansel Adams at 100" opens here in London soon,
tomorrow I think, and of course I intend to see it. There has been a
flurry of Ansel-related reviews in the press here, of course. In the
review section of today's "Independent" newspaper is this article, in
which the author says a number of interesting things:

http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/story.jsp?story=313763

Cheers,

Bob
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RE: Love is(of) a wonderful thing (limited LUST)

[Cotty]

>Holding it and looking at it was almost like foreplay!
>
>I strapped it on last night

Rob, I want some of what you're having!!

;-)

Cotty


PS - Can I play with it???

THE LENS!

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RE: MX - what's FP?

[Paris, Leonard]

Yes.  Of course, you should use FP (Focal Plane) class flash bulbs. They
will allow you to sync at all of your high shutter speeds, rather than just
your X-sync speed.

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"jar0n" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hi all.. what's the thing labelled FP? it's just above the flash sync..

If you are going to use flash bulbs, plug the cable into the FP socket.
Use the X socket (or the hotshoe) for electronic flash.
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Always at the ready - OT

[Steve Desjardins]

I usually carry my zx-7 with the pancake 40 and iso 400 print film in
the car.  That's a very small and light package, hardly bigger than a
P&S.  I also admit that I don't take many pictures with it.  At work, I
usually use the E-10 we have here.
 
Steve
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Re: Always at the ready - OT

[steven gilson]

I do the same as Tom; Stylus Epic in my pocket.  It's usually loaded with some kind of 
400 color print.  It's fast, durable and reliable and I bought it especially for this 
purpose.  I actually wanted a Rollei Prego Micron, but at over twice the price I 
couldn't justify it for an emergency camera.  If I am going somewhere for 
non-photographic reasons but want a camera "just in case" I take my Super Program with 
a 35-105/3.5A attached to it and a faster prime in my pocket.

BTW, does anyone know of an ever-ready type case that will fit the SP/35-105 combo?

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Re: Always at the ready - OT

[Bill Owens]

I'm now retired, but when running errands etc. around town, I don't take
chances with my Pentax gear.  I usually stick the Agat 18K half frame in a
pocket (it's about the size of a pack of cigarettes), or, if I feel really
adventurous, I throw the Zenit 312M (M42 screw mount) in the truck. I can
carry both and still not have over $100.00 worth of camera equipment with
me.

Bill  KG4LOV
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> > How many of you guys bring your camera equipment to
> > work if you have a primary means of employment and
> > photography is your hobby?  And also how much gear do
> > you carry?  I've been carrying a small camera bag to
> > work with an extra lens on almost a daily basis "just
> > in case the photo opportunity show up".  Ever since I
> > took hold of my MX with the three lenses I've
> > substituted bringing that to work instead.  It's quite
> > a big bag.  I'm just wondering if it's overkill or
> > what.  Never hurts to be prepared for anything.
> >
> > Thanks.
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Re: MX - what's FP?

[Peter Alling]

It's for use with old style Focal Plane Flashbulbs.  These bulbs had a 
relatively linear output
with respect to time.  The FP sync ignites the flash bulb just before the 
first shutter opens
which allows a wide range of shutter speeds to be used for flash 
exposure.  This is very simplified,
however FP would allow the use of high shutter speeds for flash, or 
extended distance with
slow shutter speeds.

At 12:49 AM 7/11/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>hi all.. what's the thing labelled FP? it's just above the flash sync..
>
>THANX!!
>=p
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Re: MX - what's FP?

[William Robb]

- Original Message -
From: jar0n
Subject: MX - what's FP?


> hi all.. what's the thing labelled FP? it's just above the
flash sync..

Sync teminal for flash bulb type flash units.
William Robb
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RE: the photogenic Finger Lakes

[Peifer, William [OCDUS]]

Amita wrote:
> We're probably going to honeymoon in the Finger Lakes in mid-late
> October, and we're trying to figure out which lake to stay on.

Hi Amita,

One place to consider is the village of Skaneateles, on the north end of
Skaneateles Lake.  (Always thought it was amusing that the name of the lake
and village looks like it should be pronounced "skan ee uh TEL us", but the
correct pronunciation is actually "skinny Atlas".  But then I'm more easily
amused than some folks)  This really isn't centrally located, but is
instead located near Auburn NY, and not too far from Syracuse.  Don't know
quite what it is that I like so much about the place -- just the general
ambience, I guess.  Looks and feels like a very gentrified touristy kind of
place that none of the gentrified tourists know about.  Very relaxing
atmosphere, lots of cool architecture, quaint shops, friendly people
The sort of place you could take a leisurely bike ride without having to be
constantly on the lookout for the typical traffic a tourist spot might get.
Well worth the trip sometime, I think.

Another day trip you might want to keep in mind, especially if you're closer
to the west end of the lakes, is the village of Naples, just south of the
southern end of Canandaigua Lake.  It's yet another old, quiet, quaint
village with a few arts-and-crafts shops, some historic buildings, and the
nearby Cumming Nature Center.  Also in Naples is Widmer's Wine Cellars, a
large vineyard and winery in the south end of the village.  Not too terribly
far from Naples, but outside of the Finger Lakes region, is the village of
Mount Morris and the nearby Letchworth State Park.  Letchworth has some
stunning sights for photographers.

That's all I can think of right now.  Hope this helps.

Bill Peifer
Rochester, NY
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RE: Always at the ready - OT

[Rothman, Aric]

Usually I take a Hexar RF with either a 28mm or 50mm lens, depending on my mood.  
Sometime I tote my entire Leica
M-mount kit.  Lately, it's been a Contax SLR w/50mm f1.4 Planar.

Aric

> -Original Message-
> From: Francis Alviar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 11:24 AM
> To: Pentax Discuss List
> Subject: Always at the ready - OT
> 
> 
> Hello to all,
> 
> How many of you guys bring your camera equipment to
> work if you have a primary means of employment and
> photography is your hobby?  And also how much gear do
> you carry?  I've been carrying a small camera bag to
> work with an extra lens on almost a daily basis "just
> in case the photo opportunity show up".  Ever since I
> took hold of my MX with the three lenses I've
> substituted bringing that to work instead.  It's quite
> a big bag.  I'm just wondering if it's overkill or
> what.  Never hurts to be prepared for anything.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Francis
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Re: MX - what's FP?

[Johan Schoone]

"jar0n" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hi all.. what's the thing labelled FP? it's just above the flash sync..

If you are going to use flash bulbs, plug the cable into the FP socket.
Use the X socket (or the hotshoe) for electronic flash.
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Re: Manfrotto 055 & 136

[Collin Brendemuehl]

Consider the slightly smaller 410.
It isn't quite as hefty, 
but still nice and in the US runs $150 - $170.
Same flat plates.

Collin

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*From: "Jan van Wijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
*Subject: Re: Manfrotto 055 & 136 *
*
*On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:34:43 -0400, Jeff wrote: *
*
*>The 405 looks neat. Any idea on price? 
*
*Yes, it is too much :-) 
*
*It was over 400 Euro's here in the Netherlands, so *I guess 
*it would be close to US $400 ... 
*
*But I really needed something better than the 141 *head for the 67II 
*
*Regards, JvW 

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Re: Always at the ready - OT

[Ayash Kanto Mukherjee]

I use to carry my camera bag containing two SLR bodies, and three lenses, 
viz., 35-80 f/4-5.6, 100-300 f/4.5-5.6 and 24 f/2.8, a polarizer, red, 
yellow, green, orange filters. I load one body with ILFORD 100 ASA uprated 
to 200 ASA and the other body contains a slide film, Fujichrome Sensia II 
100 ASA. Yes, the set up is quite heavy but I don't mind the weight but 
this is not on dialy basis because I am a weekend photographer. 

So, in that sense, it does not answer your questions. I just shared 
whatever I felt. 

With regards,
Ayash.





On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Francis Alviar wrote:

> Hello to all,
> 
> How many of you guys bring your camera equipment to
> work if you have a primary means of employment and
> photography is your hobby?  And also how much gear do
> you carry?  I've been carrying a small camera bag to
> work with an extra lens on almost a daily basis "just
> in case the photo opportunity show up".  Ever since I
> took hold of my MX with the three lenses I've
> substituted bringing that to work instead.  It's quite
> a big bag.  I'm just wondering if it's overkill or
> what.  Never hurts to be prepared for anything.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Francis
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Re[2]: MZ-S

[Alin Flaider]

Jason wrote:

VJ> However, if center weighted does encompass weighing of the entire viewfinder
VJ> with some portions being given zero weight, then you would be correct.

  Looking at the sensor map, it appears all sensors are implied in the
  center-weighting. Given that "marginal" sensors contribute with only
  33% or less to the CW, if one of them is malfunctioning has little
  implication on the CW result. It might induce erratic results
  however with the multisegment. 

  One way to check this is to trace the "luminosity map": with camera
  set on CW and looking through the viewfinder, move the frame around
  by placing an electric bulb in various locations on a dull
  background. If the readout is invariant on circles centered in the
  frame, than all sensors work well. If there's a significant drop,
  most likely the sensor below the light is not functional.
  
  Still, in my experience over-exposures of +1 to +2.5 EV are to be
  expected from the multisegment and this gives a high hit rate with
  negative film.

  Servus,  Alin
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MX - what's FP?

[jar0n]

hi all.. what's the thing labelled FP? it's just above the flash sync..

THANX!!
=p
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Re: Pentax - New Directions (now getting longer)

[Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)]

This is not true. Nikons do not have databases of thousands of scenes stored in the 
cameras. (Think about the technical problems in storing this much data and instantly 
searching and accessing it back in 1983; when the FA came out.) What Nikon did was 
analyze tens of thousands of images to derive exposure rules based on metered 
differences between segments. 
My experience is that multi segment/matrix metering works very well for the vast 
majority of scenes. The trick is to find out where it won't work, and the only way to 
do that is to shoot many pictures in that metering mode. When I don't think matrix 
will work right I use spot metering. With bodies that have matrix and spot I never use 
CW.
FWIW: I've found Pentax (ZX-5) and Nikon (F100 & N80) metering to equally good.

From: Chris Brogden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 
The algorithms are extremely complex; some Nikons,
for example, have a database of tens of thousands of sample scenes that
the camera will consider when choosing an exposure. 
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Re: Manfrotto 055 & 136

[Jeff]

Jan,
The 405 looks neat. Any idea on price?

Jeff
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 3:35 AM
Subject: Re: Manfrotto 055 & 136


> On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:27:30 +1000, Rob Studdert wrote:
>
> >
> >I'd keep it, too much hassle to sell/swap and still quite useful. You
might
> >consider a Proball 308RC head, it's a good match for the 055 and is good
for up
> >to a 4kg load.
> >
> >> PS: I love the quick release.
> >
> >The 168/268 ball heads also have the hex QR, all the newer ones are have
the
> >rectangular plate (which is pretty good).
>
> I got the new 405 head a fews weeks ago, and that has the big rectangular
plate too.
>
> I must say this is one marvel to use for macro and landscapes!
>
> It is a geared head, positioned between the junior 400 and the heavy 410
heads,
> that will carry upto 7 kg (15 lbs) and weighs 1.6 kg (3.5 lbs).
>
> The really neat think about it is the ease of adjusting it, each of the
three axes have
> a 'quick' adjust and a 'fine' adjust and there are three spirit levels
too.
>
> I used it last weekend to shoot some flower close-ups near 1:1 and
> was delighted with the ease of composition with this head.
>
> Regards, JvW
>
> PS:
> I don't think it is on the Manfrotto homepage yet, but you can see it with
the 67II ot top at:
>
> http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/p67iilf.htm
>
> It shows the new rectangular QR plate too ...
>
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RE: Pentax MX

[Ayash Kanto Mukherjee]

> > John Coyle wrote:
> > 
> > > IMHO, it's unrealistic to criticise the LED brightness in these 
> > > circumstances - if they were bright enough to see in full sunlight, 
> > > you'd be blinded by them at night!
> > 
> > The display in the Z-1p viewfinder dims & brightens depending on the 
> > light meter reading.  Quite a nice feature.
> 

This is quite obvious in case of any SLR camera. If you point the camera 
to a bright seen, obviously the viewfinder will look bright and hence the 
light meter reading will suggest for higher shutter speeds for a particular 
aperture with respect to a predominantly dark scene whence the viewfinder 
will appear dim. The light meter will correspond for low shutter speeds in 
the case of dimly lit scenes for a particular aperture.

With regards,
Ayash.
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RE: Pentax MX

[Ayash Kanto Mukherjee]

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Alan Chan wrote:

> >3. If the power of your eye has not changed for the past 8 years or more,
> >please think of undergoing a lasic surgery which will reduce the power
> >of your eyes to 0 precisely.
> 
> I don't know about that. I have heard too many stories on this surgery.
> 
> regards,
> Alan Chan

Stories? I am surprised because in a third world country like India, 
people are undergoing lasic surgery. Even one of my institute student 
underwent lasic surgery just a week ago. He was wearing thick eyeglasses 
of power +8 dioptre. Now he is able to see precisely without any 
eyeglasses. The only trouble in lasic surgery is that you can not allow 
the eye to come in contact with water by any chance for 6 months after the 
surgery and this is awful because you can not pour water on your head while 
bathing or you can not pour water on your eyes for flushing if some dust 
particle enters. In one way, you can say that you have to keep glasses of 
0 dioptre for 6 months even after surgery. 

And photgraphy? No way. Forget it for 6 months. For a serious 
photographer, this is a blow to the chest. However, you can suffer that 
blow if you have patience for 6 months. 

So, the best option that I think can relieve a bespectacled photographer 
who is not interested to change the dioptre of camera eyepiece, is to wear 
contact lens. 

With regards,
Ayash.
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Re: FA lenses aperture reporting

[Rob Studdert]

On 10 Jul 2002 at 0:07, Alan Chan wrote:

> When the lens was set to 'A', the lens communicates with the camera 
> electrinocally. However, the position of the aperture resistor coupling 
> below the camera mount would affect the "displayed" aperture of the Z-1p 
> when the lens was set to non-'A' position. But this does not affect the 
> chosen shutter speed accuracy.

Just to shed a little more light on the aperture position sensor, it's not a 
continuously variable resistor in the normal sense of the word. It is in fact a 
resistor ladder with taps along the series string terminating in gold printed 
contacts, it appears to provide 1/6 stop increments (MX aperture position 
sensor).

Cheers,


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Re: KX (was: Re: Pentax MX)

[Bob Rapp]

You are right, Paul.
The KX was a sleeper. I refused to even look at the Ks when they came
out as I felt that I had been abandoned by Pentax with my large assortment
of screwmount gear. I have acquired one and it has replaced the MX as a
backup for the LX. I just love the way it handles and feels!!!

Bob
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> I'm one of the members of the unofficial KX Fan Club. Have you checked the
> PDML archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss%40pdml.net/ ?
> There were quite a few positive postings about the KX several months
> ago--around February, as I recall.
>
> The KX and K2 are been said to be the only K-series body built to
SpotMatic
> standards. If it could take the LX/MX screens, it would be my perfect
> manual-exposure body.
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Re: Pentax MX

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Francis Alviar wrote:

I did notice today that the LED's are hard to see in bright sunlight.

Francis,
Try fitting a teardrop-shaped rubber eyecup to the eyepiece.

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RE: Love is(of) a wonderful thing (limited LUST)

[Rob Studdert]

On 10 Jul 2002 at 9:11, Rob Brigham wrote:

> If only!!!
> 
> The answer is - a black 77 ltd!
> 
> Man every body gotta feel a limited lens to experience pure lust!
> 
> Holding it and looking at it was almost like foreplay!
> 
> I strapped it on last night 

Don't wear the hood out  :-D

Cheers,

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RE: From the Nikon digest

[Rob Brigham]

Man, is he gonna get flamed

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 10 July 2002 12:37
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: From the Nikon digest
> 
> 
>
> Subject: Leica...why??? OT
> 
> I think I've mentioned before that I came to Nikon from Pentax, simply
> because my K mount camera bust and my friend had lots of Nikon
> lenses. Comparing later shots with those taken with Pentax 
> lenses I could
> clearly see the difference - especially contrast - maybe it's 
> due to their
> super multi coating.
> 
> Also anyone notice how they allow one to change metering 
> pattern without a
> black belt in Yoga (eg MZ-s) and also still manage to keep 
> compatibility
> with their
> older lenses?
> 
> Anyone who likes older cameras should handle the K2. Gorgeous.
> 
> Adam>>
> 
> Hip hip hooray!
> 
> Peter
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From the Nikon digest

[Camdir]

   <
Subject: Leica...why??? OT

I think I've mentioned before that I came to Nikon from Pentax, simply
because my K mount camera bust and my friend had lots of Nikon
lenses. Comparing later shots with those taken with Pentax lenses I could
clearly see the difference - especially contrast - maybe it's due to their
super multi coating.

Also anyone notice how they allow one to change metering pattern without a
black belt in Yoga (eg MZ-s) and also still manage to keep compatibility
with their
older lenses?

Anyone who likes older cameras should handle the K2. Gorgeous.

Adam>>

Hip hip hooray!

Peter
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Re: Manfrotto 055 & 136

[Rob Studdert]

On 10 Jul 2002 at 13:04, Flavio Minelli wrote:

> My recent choice on the matter was a 468RC ballhead as the 308RC looked
> too small and didn't offer a separate panning control nor frictioned
> controls.
> 
> On the other hand is quite cheap unlike the one I bought.

Hi Flavio,

I did look at the 468RC however I primarily bought it to couple with my 441 
Carbon tripod so I couldn't justify double the weight and over double the price 
:-( I've been using it for a couple of years now and it's surprisingly sturdy 
however I do have a 229/058 combo to handle the big stuff :-)

Cheers,

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RE: Pentax MX

[Rob Studdert]

On 10 Jul 2002 at 20:20, David A. Mann wrote:

> John Coyle wrote:
> 
> > IMHO, it's unrealistic to criticise the LED brightness in these 
> > circumstances - if they were bright enough to see in full sunlight, 
> > you'd be blinded by them at night!
> 
> The display in the Z-1p viewfinder dims & brightens depending on the 
> light meter reading.  Quite a nice feature.

So does the back lit LCD in the MZ-S finder :-)

Cheers,

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Re: Manfrotto 055 & 136

[Rob Studdert]

On 10 Jul 2002 at 9:35, Jan van Wijk wrote:

> I got the new 405 head a fews weeks ago, and that has the big rectangular plate
> too.
> 
> I must say this is one marvel to use for macro and landscapes!
> 
> It is a geared head, positioned between the junior 400 and the heavy 410 heads,
> that will carry upto 7 kg (15 lbs) and weighs 1.6 kg (3.5 lbs).

Hi Jan,

Thanks for the pic, to me it looks far more usable than either the 400 or 410 
geared heads, nice. Couple that with a pair of 454 micro positioning plates and 
you'll have macro nirvana. :-) It appears to employ the same rectangular QR 
plate as the 410 (410PL-14) good for a hunk of a camera like the P67. Many of 
the ball and 3D heads like the 308RC and 141RC use a smaller rectangular plate 
(200PL-14).

Cheers,

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KX (was: Re: Pentax MX)

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Francis Alviar wrote:
Now where are those reviews for the Pentax KX... 

Francis,
I'm one of the members of the unofficial KX Fan Club. Have you checked the
PDML archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss%40pdml.net/ ?
There were quite a few positive postings about the KX several months
ago--around February, as I recall.

The KX and K2 are been said to be the only K-series body built to SpotMatic
standards. If it could take the LX/MX screens, it would be my perfect
manual-exposure body.

The shutter release is so light that I sometimes take a shot when I didn't
intend to. But I'm willing to pay that price to get such a light touch.

The Ricoh XR-1 is quite similar in size, feel, specs, and operation, but
adds a split-prism diagonal rengefinder. The XR-2 and 2s add an
aperture-preferred autoexposure mode. However, on the Ricohs, the only way
to get MLU is to use the mechanical timer. 

A light touch causes me to waste a number of shots on my Ricoh XR-2s, too,
by the way. 

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Re[2]: FA lenses aperture reporting

[Alin Flaider]

Alan wrote:

AC> I do not know if I understand correctly. As I can observed, the aperture
AC> read out has no effect on the actual exposure accuracy. It is just a value 
AC> "guessed" by the camera and displayed in the viewfinder LCD. The chosen 
AC> shutter speed is determined solely by the EV level and position of the 
AC> contact on the variable aperture resistor. Due to the mechanical 
AC> manufacturing tolerance differences, some cameras or lenses may be off a 
AC> little bit.

  Indeed you are right. KAF mount still relies on the mechanical
  coupling to read the aperture even if though this is also
  transmitted digitally.

  Servus, Alin
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Re: Manfrotto 055 & 136

[Flavio Minelli]

Rob Studdert wrote:
> 
> ...
> I'd keep it, too much hassle to sell/swap and still quite useful. You might
> consider a Proball 308RC head, it's a good match for the 055 and is good for up
> to a 4kg load.
> ...

My recent choice on the matter was a 468RC ballhead as the 308RC looked
too small and didn't offer a separate panning control nor frictioned
controls.

On the other hand is quite cheap unlike the one I bought.

Ciao, Flavio
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OT: Studio flash (slightly long)

[Artur Ledóchowski]

Hello,
Me and my friend are going to buld a small studio in his house's cellar.
It's a room of about 6m l., 4m w. and 2,3m h. We decided to buy monolights -
there are some cheap ones available on the market. We decided to buy 3
units: for key light, fill light and for back/background light. The
monolights we want to buy come as systems - there are diffusors, spots,
softboxes, barndoors and filters dedicated to them. They also have modelling
lights. They can be triggered by sync. cords or by built-in photocells. They
also have adjustable flash output - either in 1 and 1/2 stops (cheaper
units) or fluently (more expensive units).
I decided to put all things together as following:
_
|  A   |
|B   |
|  |
| O  |
|  |
|  |
|  |
|  |
|  |
| C ^   D  |
|  |
|  |

A - background
B - back- (on the ceiling) or background light (on the floor)
C - fill light (on a high tripod)
D - key light (on a high tripod)
O - model(s)
^ - camera
The camera will be my MZ-5n (MZ-7 and Z-50 as backup bodies), but I hope to
add Kiev 88 (6x6) soon and 645 N II in the future.
And now the questions:
1) What do you think about the studio layout I presented? Would you suggest
some corrections?
2) As I'm going to trigger the monolights with my camera's built-in flash,
is there any danger of affecting the light balance by the triggering light?
Should I, perhaps, cover the built-in flash with a piece of paper or
something?
3) Are flashmeters capable of meter the flash triggered from photocells i.e.
wirelessly? If so then which ones and how they do it (I mean that as there
are no wires connecting them to monolights, how would they know when to
start and stop the metering)?
4) How should I interpret Wattseconds? I mean what does 100Ws mean? When I
need to know how powerful a flash is, it is its GN that concerns me.
However, all I hear and see is "Ws". Are there any formulas that calculate
GN's from Ws? If not, then how can I estimate if a given number of Ws is
powerful enough to provide me with the amount of light I need? As I plan to
use basicly ISO 100 films at f/8, I need to get shutter speed of at least
1/30 - 1/60 for portraits (1/100 is the limit for the MZ-5n of course) and
the monolights I'm going to buy are of 100Ws or 200Ws.
I'd appreciate your input on the matter. Thanks in advance.
Greetz
Artur
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RE: Love is(of) a wonderful thing (limited LUST)

[Alan Chan]

>One thing I was unsure about, how well does the lens cap stay on in a
>bag?  I guess it is OK, its just that I am used to caps that click on.
>Also, I havent had time to put the UV filter on - will this obstruct the
>lens hood?  I am sure the polariser will as its a bit wider.  This may
>make the hood a little impractical, but I love the idea anyway!!
>Perhaps they should have put the filter thread on the hood rather than
>the lens barrel?

If you leave the filter on the 77, you must pull the hood out and then push 
the cap on. Otherwise, the cap won't stay well. Or you can just use the 
standard Pentax cap (I do).

>Thanks again to Peter who got this beauty from Japan for me, I recommend
>everyone on the list using his services, and I now know just what they
>should buy from him!  Now I must try to avoid seeing anyones 43 or 31 at
>the weekend...

Um... better stay home until you are ready.  :)

One thing I would like to point out is that dust can get in from the back of 
the lens very easily, so don't "blow" it too much (although you can remove 
the rear element easily).

regards,
Alan Chan


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RE: Pentax MX

[Alan Chan]

>3. If the power of your eye has not changed for the past 8 years or more,
>please think of undergoing a lasic surgery which will reduce the power
>of your eyes to 0 precisely.

I don't know about that. I have heard too many stories on this surgery.

regards,
Alan Chan


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Re: FA lenses aperture reporting

[Alan Chan]

>I'm becoming a bit too tempted to look at the MZ-S...

I don't think this particular problem is Z-1p related, but the problem of 
the K mount design. Just that in the good old days, for instance, Super 
A/Program, when the lens was set manually (other than 'A'), the camera 
didn't display the chosen f-stop so we thought they were alright. The same 
"characteristic" could be there too, just that we had no way to know (or 
care). But then it's just a displayed value, and doesn't affect the accuracy 
of the metering at all.

regards,
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Re: Re[2]: Pentax - New Directions (now getting longer)

[Alan Chan]

>aren't you assuming the very point that's at question here? In other
>words, if your camera meter disagrees with the external meter, you're
>assuming that the camera meter is accurate and that the aperture or
>shutter are inaccurate. But the purpose of the exercise is to
>determine the accuracy of your meter, so you've made a circular
>argument and undermined everything else you wrote.

I don't know if it was my poor English (not my 1st language). This was not 
what I intended to say. I have never said (or did I?) the camera metering 
was accurate even if it was different from the incident readings. What I was 
trying to say is that "don't be surprised if the "chosen" shutter speed was 
different between 'A' and non-'A' setting on the lens. This is due to the 
mechanical aperture coupling tolerance difference (different lens/camera 
combinations have different results). It has nothing to do with the accuracy 
of the actual aperture or actual shutter speed, but the "chosen shutter 
speed" by the camera. And for the purpose of the test (to determine the 
accuracy of the metering, not the accuracy of the mechanical coupling), the 
lens is best to set to 'A'. This way, all communications are done 
electronically and there will be no chance for error (due to mechanical 
tolerance). The most important thing here is, we are not trying to determine 
the accuracy of the actual aperture of any lens (because every lens is 
different), or the accuracy of the mechanical aperture coupling (variable 
resistor), but the metering alone.

regards,
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RE: Love is(of) a wonderful thing (limited LUST)

[David A. Mann]

Rob Brigham wrote:

> Thanks again to Peter who got this beauty from Japan for me, I recommend
> everyone on the list using his services, and I now know just what they
> should buy from him!  Now I must try to avoid seeing anyones 43 or 31 at
> the weekend...

I have a 43 silver.  They are a joy to behold, particularly on a silver 
body.  It looks a bit weird on a Z-1p.  I'd love to use one with a 
titanium LX...

When I was out that way I checked out Peter's black 31mm and 77mm lenses. 
 Pity I already own the SMCP 35mm f/3.5 and the giant A*85 f/1.4.  I 
might have been enabled otherwise... although I may be tempted by a 
silver 31 some day.  The 35mm is a real jewel but sometimes I could use a 
little extra speed.  (the size/weight of the 85 doesn't bother me)

Cheers,


- Dave

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Re: Criticisms/Comments please.

[Ayash Kanto Mukherjee]

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Maciej Marchlewski wrote:

> Dnia 10-07-2002 o godz. 6:17 Ayash Kanto Mukherjee napisal(a):
> [...]
> > I am sorry for the inconvinience.
> 
> Nothing to worry. I was just a little surprised when I used the 
> ling you've sent. But it's very common lately that people put 
> wrong url or don't give them at all so I took it with 
> understanding.

Thanks a lot for your understanding. 
> 
> For the photos - many of them are really nice. 

Oh really. I am overjoyed. 

> I allways enjoy 
> looking at the pictures that show diffrent cultures and yours 
> are also composed. It seems that you have a good eye for the 
> street reportage.

Well (shy)! many thanks for appreciation (shy again).

> Only thing that bothered is the image quality. It would help the 
> photos a lot if they would be sharper when viewing as large. If 
> I recall correctly you had some problems when scanning them so 
> this is probably that. 

You are precisely correct. I scanned the negetives at 100 dpi only. I did 
it deliberately to reduce the file size as much as possible because the 
space available for me is only 50 MB in that website. 

> Theese photos are IMO worth of having 
> them scanned neatly and showing large.

Could you please tell me at what dpi should I scan the negetives?

Many thanks for your comments and criticisms. I think that I am getting 
some way.

Cheers,
Ayash.
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RE: Pentax MX

[Alan Chan]

>The display in the Z-1p viewfinder dims & brightens depending on the
>light meter reading.  Quite a nice feature.

Boy! I have never noticed that. I should have spent more time with my Z-1p.  
:)

regards,
Alan Chan


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RE: Pentax MX

[Ayash Kanto Mukherjee]

I feel that bespactacled photographers face a lot of problem while 
viewing throught the viewfinder. I have three solutions to this problem 
and they are listed below.

1. Please replace the -1 dioptre eyepiece with a matched dioptre so that 
   you don't have to use the spectacles at all. 
2. If the eyepiece dioptre is irreplacable, pleae use a contact lens for 
   your eyes. In this way you can get your eyes very close to the 
   eyepiece.
3. If the power of your eye has not changed for the past 8 years or more, 
   please think of undergoing a lasic surgery which will reduce the power 
   of your eyes to 0 precisely.

Cheers,
Ayash.

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, John Coyle wrote:

> I think you're right Frank - the rubber eye-cup is designed to shade 
> the viewfinder in bright light, but we spectacle-wearers gain no 
> benefit, as we can't get our eyes any closer to it without squashing 
> the lens against the cup, and even then there's still a gap!  I find 
> that simply wearing a cap usually provides enough shade (should always 
> do that anyway in Queensland's climate!), except when the light is at 
> just the right angle still to strike the viewfinder, when the hand 
> comes into play.
> 
> IMHO, it's unrealistic to criticise the LED brightness in these 
> circumstances - if they were bright enough to see in full sunlight, 
> you'd be blinded by them at night!
> 
> John Coyle
> Brisbane, Australia
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:48 AM, frank theriault 
> [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> > Hi, Herb,
> >
> > I certainly have problems reading the led's in bright sunlight.  In
> > fact, I  think it's the only criticism I have of my MX (well, the 
> only major
> > one,  anyway).  The problem is at its worst when the sun is high in 
> the sky,
> > behind  me.  It can be remedied by shading the eyepiece with my hand, 
> which
> > is probably a good idea anyway, because ambient light entering the
> > eyepiece can  affect the metering in any event.
> >
> > I wonder if part of the problem is that I wear glasses, and can't get
> > my face  really close to the eyepiece?  Do you wear glasses?  Anyone 
> else
> > notice a  correlation?
> >
> > regards,
> > frank
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Re: Pentax - New Directions (now getting longer)

[Ayash Kanto Mukherjee]

Hi!

The following url tells how a matrix metering works but it is not quite 
clear to me. 

http://kenrockwell.com/nikon/matrix02.htm

Please note that the page will take sometime to load because it contains a 
jpg file of size 350KB.

I am quite sure that some of the list members must have electronics 
engineer as background. Could you please explain what that flow chart 
means?

Cheers,
Ayash.

On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Chris Brogden wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Pål Jensen wrote:
> 
> > This is plain wrong. Evaluative meter is like any other meter; it
> > tries to make everything medium toned. However, the notion that center
> > weighed metering "solve" the problem or has a better "hit rate" is
> > plain wrong.  The fact that some people prefer center weighted
> > metering because they know how it react to various scenes is fine.
> 
> Agreed up to here.
> 
> > However, this has nothing to do with matrix metering failure but the
> > photographer not having learned how matrix metering works.
> 
> Uh... not exactly.  Photographers can never learn how multipattern
> metering systems work.  The algorithms are extremely complex; some Nikons,
> for example, have a database of tens of thousands of sample scenes that
> the camera will consider when choosing an exposure.  The photographer has
> no idea whatsoever which of these scenes the camera will select.  Matrix
> metering does a good job with print film for the most part, but the point
> is that the photographer, no matter how much they use it, will never be
> able to know for sure how much importance the meter is attaching to each
> individual segment in any given (and changing) lighting situation.  At
> least with CW metering you know exactly how much weight the camera gives
> to the segments.
> 
> I'm sure that, given enough time and experimentation, a photographer can
> learn how their camera weights the segments in some very common lighting
> conditions, but this is almost impossible to assess because of the sheer
> number of segments and variety of lighting conditions.  And it's only good
> until you switch cameras (most of the MZ series, for example, use
> different algorithms to decode the same six segments).
> 
> chris
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Re[2]: Pentax - New Directions (now getting longer)

[Bob Walkden]

Hi,

> PS: If your camera allowed you to set the aperture through the camera or the
> aperture ring, don't be surprised if the chosen shutter speed differs a bit. 
> This is due to the rather "loose" manufacturing tolerance.

aren't you assuming the very point that's at question here? In other
words, if your camera meter disagrees with the external meter, you're
assuming that the camera meter is accurate and that the aperture or
shutter are inaccurate. But the purpose of the exercise is to
determine the accuracy of your meter, so you've made a circular
argument and undermined everything else you wrote.

---

 Bob  

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Wednesday, July 10, 2002, 8:27:19 AM, you wrote:

>>Can you explain in more detail?
>>If I take a picture of a Kodak grey card in bright sunshine (say) and then
>>compare the slide
>>how do I know that I am not being fooled by the 'characteristics' of the
>>film rather then exposure?
>>I am sorry if this is obvious to  you but it is not to me.
>>I used to work on optical analytical equipment and perhaps I am thinking in
>>to exact terms.
>>With my cameras I just get to know the 'personality' of each
>>and beat it around the head a bit until it does what I want ;-)
>>I would like to be able to explain the procedure of 'calibrating' to my 
>>wife
>>who is just getting into macro photography (MZ7 and either velvia or Kodak
>>100 extra colour).
>>Do you know of any links to articles about this?

> My approach was rather simple. I have a Minolta IV F handheld meter which is 
> accurate up to 1/10EV (confirmed by the Minolta service centre).

> 1) Place the Kodak card (the larger, the better) on a table.

> 2) Light the card evenly, and the light source must be stable. (sunlight is 
> not a good choice because it varies every second even it appears perfectly 
> identical to human eyes).

> 3) Place the light meter on different position of the grey card and take 
> some incident readings. If all reading are identical, the grey card will be 
> evenly lighted.

> 4) Point the camera to the centre of the grey card to take some readings and 
> see if they match the incident readings from the handheld meter. This should 
> work for centre-weighted, spot & multi-segment meterings (since the grey 
> card was evenly lighted, the multi-segment metering should not do any 
> auto-adjustment itself, and would behave just like centre-weighted 
> metering).

> PS: If your camera allowed you to set the aperture through the camera or the 
> aperture ring, don't be surprised if the chosen shutter speed differs a bit. 
> This is due to the rather "loose" manufacturing tolerance.

> regards,
> Alan Chan
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RE: Pentax MX

[David A. Mann]

John Coyle wrote:

> IMHO, it's unrealistic to criticise the LED brightness in these 
> circumstances - if they were bright enough to see in full sunlight, 
> you'd be blinded by them at night!

The display in the Z-1p viewfinder dims & brightens depending on the 
light meter reading.  Quite a nice feature.

Cheers,


- Dave

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Re: FA lenses aperture reporting

[David A. Mann]

Alan Chan wrote:

> I do not know if I understand correctly. As I can observed, the aperture
> read out has no effect on the actual exposure accuracy. It is just a value
> "guessed" by the camera and displayed in the viewfinder LCD. The chosen
> shutter speed is determined solely by the EV level and position of the
> contact on the variable aperture resistor. Due to the mechanical
> manufacturing tolerance differences, some cameras or lenses may be off a
> little bit.

That was what I was thinking.

> Yes. But when the F/FA lenses were set other than 'A', I believe the
> position of the aperture resistor coupling makes the difference too. For
> instance, if you set the lens at f5.6, grip the lens and try to rotate,
> the read out may become f4.5 or f6.7 (vary from lens to lens and camera to
> camera).

You appear to be correct here.  I just tried it with the Z-1p and the 
400mm.  Twisting the body/lens changes the reading by half a stop in one 
direction.  F/8 will read correctly if twisted one way but will read 
f/9.5 when twisted the other.  So I was incorrect yesterday.

The camera/lens junction is barely moving BTW - it is definitely not 
loose so the actual exposure error is likely to be minimal.  I hope.  I 
didn't check to see if the shutter speed changed or not.

I'm becoming a bit too tempted to look at the MZ-S...

Cheers,


- Dave

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RE: Love is(of) a wonderful thing (limited LUST)

[Rob Brigham]

If only!!!

The answer is - a black 77 ltd!

Man every body gotta feel a limited lens to experience pure lust!

I was amazed how small the box was, and then how small the lens was, and
then how heavy and SOLID it felt.  That beuatiful silky smooth surface,
wonderful manual focussing action, the soft fit lens cap, the built in
hood.  This thing belongs in an art gallery or a museum as much as it
belongs on a camera!  It just seems like a solid lump of glass with just
the thinnest of housings rather than the bulky plastic jobbies we
normally see.  Holding it and looking at it was almost like foreplay!

I strapped it on last night and the view is bright and sharp and the
bokeh looks absolutely wonderful in the viewfinder.  I need to finish
the film today so that I can get it developed before Duxford as I dont
want to lose all the incriminating photos of the PDMLers should the lens
have some problem, heaven forbid.

One thing I was unsure about, how well does the lens cap stay on in a
bag?  I guess it is OK, its just that I am used to caps that click on.
Also, I havent had time to put the UV filter on - will this obstruct the
lens hood?  I am sure the polariser will as its a bit wider.  This may
make the hood a little impractical, but I love the idea anyway!!
Perhaps they should have put the filter thread on the hood rather than
the lens barrel?

Its funny, I never understood why people said the MZ bodies felt too
light or flimsy before, but with this lens mounted, anything shy of the
MZ-S suddenly seems cheap.  This is not a bad thing, its just that the
lens outshines the plastic bodies soo much that it shows them up.

I think the silver looks even more special unmounted, but while I dont
mind a black lens on the 'half-chrome' bodies, chrome lenses on a black
MZ-S look naff.

Thanks again to Peter who got this beauty from Japan for me, I recommend
everyone on the list using his services, and I now know just what they
should buy from him!  Now I must try to avoid seeing anyones 43 or 31 at
the weekend...

Rob

> -Original Message-
> From: Frits J. Wüthrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 09 July 2002 21:20
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Love is(of) a wonderful thing
> 
> 
> Let me guess, is that the digital SLR?
> 
> 
> On Tuesday 09 July 2002 10:14, Rob Brigham wrote:
> > I'm in love.  Peter knows why - delivery arrived today (thanks).
> >
> > Just holding it is a wonderous thing.  Havent had time to 
> use it yet,
> > but I just know I'm gonna be hooked.
> > -
> 
> 
> -- 
> Frits J. Wüthrich
> (Sent with Kmail)
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Re: Pentax - New Directions (now getting longer)

[Jan van Wijk]

On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:56:37 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>
>> Coming from manual focus background, I cannot think of any improvement over 
>> the MZ-3/5n, except a better viewfinder.
>> 
>
>I think the build quality on the -5n could be a little better. Feature-wise, 
>it's close to ideal.

Agreed.

One other thing that could be better is tracking moving objects with the autofocus,
I noticed the Z1 does a much better job at that than the MZ3 does ...

Regards, JvW

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RE: Pentax MX

[John Coyle]

I think you're right Frank - the rubber eye-cup is designed to shade 
the viewfinder in bright light, but we spectacle-wearers gain no 
benefit, as we can't get our eyes any closer to it without squashing 
the lens against the cup, and even then there's still a gap!  I find 
that simply wearing a cap usually provides enough shade (should always 
do that anyway in Queensland's climate!), except when the light is at 
just the right angle still to strike the viewfinder, when the hand 
comes into play.

IMHO, it's unrealistic to criticise the LED brightness in these 
circumstances - if they were bright enough to see in full sunlight, 
you'd be blinded by them at night!

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia


On Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:48 AM, frank theriault 
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> Hi, Herb,
>
> I certainly have problems reading the led's in bright sunlight.  In
> fact, I  think it's the only criticism I have of my MX (well, the 
only major
> one,  anyway).  The problem is at its worst when the sun is high in 
the sky,
> behind  me.  It can be remedied by shading the eyepiece with my hand, 
which
> is probably a good idea anyway, because ambient light entering the
> eyepiece can  affect the metering in any event.
>
> I wonder if part of the problem is that I wear glasses, and can't get
> my face  really close to the eyepiece?  Do you wear glasses?  Anyone 
else
> notice a  correlation?
>
> regards,
> frank
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Re: Manfrotto 055 & 136

[Jan van Wijk]

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:27:30 +1000, Rob Studdert wrote:

>
>I'd keep it, too much hassle to sell/swap and still quite useful. You might 
>consider a Proball 308RC head, it's a good match for the 055 and is good for up 
>to a 4kg load.
>
>> PS: I love the quick release.
>
>The 168/268 ball heads also have the hex QR, all the newer ones are have the 
>rectangular plate (which is pretty good).

I got the new 405 head a fews weeks ago, and that has the big rectangular plate too.

I must say this is one marvel to use for macro and landscapes!

It is a geared head, positioned between the junior 400 and the heavy 410 heads,
that will carry upto 7 kg (15 lbs) and weighs 1.6 kg (3.5 lbs).

The really neat think about it is the ease of adjusting it, each of the three axes have
a 'quick' adjust and a 'fine' adjust and there are three spirit levels too.

I used it last weekend to shoot some flower close-ups near 1:1 and
was delighted with the ease of composition with this head.

Regards, JvW

PS:
I don't think it is on the Manfrotto homepage yet, but you can see it with the 67II ot 
top at:

http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/p67iilf.htm

It shows the new rectangular QR plate too ...

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Re: Criticisms/Comments please.

[Maciej Marchlewski]

Dnia 10-07-2002 o godz. 6:17 Ayash Kanto Mukherjee napisal(a):
[...]
> I am sorry for the inconvinience.

Nothing to worry. I was just a little surprised when I used the 
ling you've sent. But it's very common lately that people put 
wrong url or don't give them at all so I took it with 
understanding.

For the photos - many of them are really nice. I allways enjoy 
looking at the pictures that show diffrent cultures and yours 
are also composed. It seems that you have a good eye for the 
street reportage.
Only thing that bothered is the image quality. It would help the 
photos a lot if they would be sharper when viewing as large. If 
I recall correctly you had some problems when scanning them so 
this is probably that. Theese photos are IMO worth of having 
them scanned neatly and showing large.

Cheers

Maciej

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RE: Pentax - New Directions (now getting longer)

[Alan Chan]

>Can you explain in more detail?
>If I take a picture of a Kodak grey card in bright sunshine (say) and then
>compare the slide
>how do I know that I am not being fooled by the 'characteristics' of the
>film rather then exposure?
>I am sorry if this is obvious to  you but it is not to me.
>I used to work on optical analytical equipment and perhaps I am thinking in
>to exact terms.
>With my cameras I just get to know the 'personality' of each
>and beat it around the head a bit until it does what I want ;-)
>I would like to be able to explain the procedure of 'calibrating' to my 
>wife
>who is just getting into macro photography (MZ7 and either velvia or Kodak
>100 extra colour).
>Do you know of any links to articles about this?

My approach was rather simple. I have a Minolta IV F handheld meter which is 
accurate up to 1/10EV (confirmed by the Minolta service centre).

1) Place the Kodak card (the larger, the better) on a table.

2) Light the card evenly, and the light source must be stable. (sunlight is 
not a good choice because it varies every second even it appears perfectly 
identical to human eyes).

3) Place the light meter on different position of the grey card and take 
some incident readings. If all reading are identical, the grey card will be 
evenly lighted.

4) Point the camera to the centre of the grey card to take some readings and 
see if they match the incident readings from the handheld meter. This should 
work for centre-weighted, spot & multi-segment meterings (since the grey 
card was evenly lighted, the multi-segment metering should not do any 
auto-adjustment itself, and would behave just like centre-weighted 
metering).

PS: If your camera allowed you to set the aperture through the camera or the 
aperture ring, don't be surprised if the chosen shutter speed differs a bit. 
This is due to the rather "loose" manufacturing tolerance.

regards,
Alan Chan

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