I don't want an IS-Lens from Pentax!
Hi all, i hope Pentax will never made a Lens with an Image Stabilizer! If Pentax don't make a Lens with IS the chance is big that the next ist-D have an IS-Chip like the Minolta A1 so all my Pentax-Lenses have IS ;-)! What do you think? Best Regards Rolf
Re: Great book
Mark wrote: I just finished reading Galen Rowell's Inner Guide to Outdoor Photography and was really very impressed. A great collection of thoughts, musings, ideas and, needless to say, images. The writing covers technical concepts as well as theoretical and philosophical concepts. A few relatively straightforward travel photography items are included as well. If you haven't read this book already I highly recommend it. It will give you a *lot* to think about and learn from. REPLY: And don't forget his classic Mountain light and the Art of adventure, the latter in the essay form as the Inner game Note, there are two Art of adventure books by Rowell. Pål
Re: *ist D figures
Actually, photojournalists who had previously used Leica discovered Nikon during the American occupation of Japan, and into the Korean war. Pentax was never in the picture. William Robb As far as photojournalism is concerned, indeed Pentax never really made it. Although, at some point, as I have read recently (maybe here?), National Geographic and another magazine I don't remember the name, had their staff equiped with Pentax. Probably only for a few years, just before the Nikon F appeared. I guess they were mostly after the long and bright Takumar 500/5, 300/4 and 200/3.5 lenses, that were available a year or two before the Nikon F appeared in autumn 59. Even then, Nikon waited for years before providing their custumers with long lenses: a 200/4 and a 500/5 mirror went out in 1963! That explains why a 200/3.5 Takumar permanently modified for Nikon mount was sold on eBay a few months ago. Andre --
Re: Sleeping in Seattle
Jerome, I am sure you have thought this out and did your homework, but may I suggest altering your route. You could skip Nebraska, Iowa and Illinois and instead trek through the Dakotas, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Upper Michigan and then head to lower Michigan to hook up to your original route. Perhaps you have already been to some of these other places already? One of the most underrated parts of this great land of ours has to be Upper Michigan. With it's array of small waterfalls, many rivers as well as its long coast, including the Pictured Rocks, along Lake Superior and the Mackinaw area, it is truly a photographer's paradise! I just got back from a two week vacation in Washington State and have to admit that it is quite beautiful over there. Mt Rainer is a definite must see. The Columbia River Gorge was also worth while as was Mt. St. Helens. I only wish we could have made it to Hell's Canyon in Idaho. Maybe next time. On a side note, we shortened our stay in Seattle to extend our time in the San Juan Islands. We ended up doing Seattle in a day which worked out for us just fine. Best of luck. It sounds like a great time! Pat Wunsch - Original Message - From: jerome [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 8:40 AM Subject: OT: Sleeping in Seattle Well, it's official: I'll be starting my trek to Seattle on August 31. Gosh, planning this trip (during which I'll be tent camping most of the way back) is *way* more work than I anticipated... but it's finally coming together. My route has changed several times, but it's beginning to firm up a bit. The trip back has also stretched from 10-15 days to 20-25 yikes!. Sounds good now... but we'll see what I think about that once I'm on the road. Camping just a couple of nights in West Virginia last week (before I headed to GFM) wore me out!... but I think that was mostly all the moving I did the 5 days before. Anyhow, Here's my current dilemma: I'd like to stay in Seattle for a bit longer. However, being an urban area, I may not be able to do so due to cost (even the hostels run about $25-$30 per night since it's metro). Does anyone have a place I could stay for about 2 nights? (a 2nd cousin's uncle's girlfriends sister's place?) If I can't find anyplace cheap to close my eyes for a few hours a night, then I'll have to start heading for the national parks sooner than I'd like... which is not a terrible thing, I suppose... but more time in the city (at the zoo, in particular) before I scurry into the woods would be nice. Thanks in advance... By the way... so far the trip back east is looking like Washington -- (thru Idaho... no potatoes, thanks) --- Montana -- Wyoming -- Colorado -- Nebraska -- Iowa -- Illinios -- Michigan -- Toronto -- NY -- back to PA. The longer (4+ days) stops will be MT,WY and CO... unless, of course, the members of TOPDML decide to show me some love g. Gotta run. Thanks again, jerome
Re: I don't want an IS-Lens from Pentax!
I have thought the same as you, Rolf. Care to take a bet on which brand will be first to introduce a DSLR with IS on the chip? :-) I'm not so sure it will be Pentax. Maybe Samsung or Sigma? :-) Jostein - Pictures at: http://oksne.net - - Original Message - From: Rolf Brenner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 4:54 PM Subject: I don't want an IS-Lens from Pentax! Hi all, i hope Pentax will never made a Lens with an Image Stabilizer! If Pentax don't make a Lens with IS the chance is big that the next ist-D have an IS-Chip like the Minolta A1 so all my Pentax-Lenses have IS ;-)! What do you think? Best Regards Rolf
Re: Great book
I believe it is titled Inner Game of Outdoor Photography. Just want to steer people in the right direction. Great book though! Pat Wunsch - Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Great book Mark wrote: I just finished reading Galen Rowell's Inner Guide to Outdoor Photography and was really very impressed. A great collection of thoughts, musings, ideas and, needless to say, images. The writing covers technical concepts as well as theoretical and philosophical concepts. A few relatively straightforward travel photography items are included as well. If you haven't read this book already I highly recommend it. It will give you a *lot* to think about and learn from. REPLY: And don't forget his classic Mountain light and the Art of adventure, the latter in the essay form as the Inner game Note, there are two Art of adventure books by Rowell. Pål
Re: blackout
Cotty wrote: Since there can never be enough light for me, the hardest part was the darkness - so I taped a small flashlight to my sunvisor and made an mining cap for myself. Ann, do yourself a big favour, buy a Petzl. Anyone who likes to see what they are doing should not be without one: www.petzl.com I'll check that out cotty! There is something on our side of the pond (but you have to have electricity for it ) called a Varilux Happy light I poopoohed it as just a fluorescent when friend got one but it was quite amazing. annsan Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Cripple your K M lenses for the Cripple Mount
Any photographer worth his/her salt frankly shouldn't need a hand held meter. Outside, now, 1/250th at F2.8, 100asa. Bright sunny day in England - never more than 1/500th at F8, 100asa. Inside the shop, 1/30th at F2.8, 100asa. Yeah, ok so long exposures and stuff, I'll give you that. Now where's my Nomex suit... Peter
Re: blackout
I know you can develop 35 mm film in urine. Of course the results are not much use since there is no image. There is no equal to this list. Praise the Lord. Probably the first time that the good doctor has caused a guffaw in these quarters. Peter
RE: *its D figures
Right now the *ist-D is a D100/10D clone. It's just smaller that's all. Big deal. The better have some great things under their sleeves. Well, besides being smaller, and that is no minor achievement; it's certainly one of the reasons I bought my LX yrs ago over the competition and stayed with Pentax since, the viewfinder is bigger and brighter and the user interface is different. I also read Herb Keplers review of one of the optio series and he commented it had the best colour accuracy of any digital camera they have tested. So lets see what the product and results look like before we try to condemn. Certainly, as the market moves to digital, there are tremendous opportunities and Pentax doesn't have to be the PJ's camera of choice to achieve the market share they are talking about. My $0.02 worth Cheers.
Re: Cripple your K M lenses for the Cripple Mount
Under hazy bright to cloudy conditions, I've watched the exposure change by as much as two stops while I'm in a single two-hour shoot. Since I generally shoot transparency film for my paid work, a handheld meter is essential. Ditto when I add flash fill from a strobe mounted in a reflector. Of course I work with manual cameras, primarily an early 6x7. Paul On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 11:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any photographer worth his/her salt frankly shouldn't need a hand held meter. Outside, now, 1/250th at F2.8, 100asa. Bright sunny day in England - never more than 1/500th at F8, 100asa. Inside the shop, 1/30th at F2.8, 100asa. Yeah, ok so long exposures and stuff, I'll give you that. Now where's my Nomex suit... Peter
Re: blackout
Ok so i'm an idiot,(but with a 6x7)vbg Don't forget up here in the sticks,that micro brewed stuff is a hard find.Blue, Ex,and Canadian is about it.lol I was in Rochester a few years ago and the imported Canadian beers,even with exchange calc;d was cheaper in the US than here. Go fiqure eh. Dave(washing down a fine Blue with shots of Tmax and stop bath)Brooks I beat you, Tom. g But, to further clarify, I believe that Pilsner is a town or city in either the Czech Republic or Slovakia (which is my way of saying it's in the former Czechoslovakia, but now that they're separate, I don't know which it's in). They brewed an exceptionally fine lager there (they may still, I don't know), and their recipe was copied in other places, such that Pilsner is now a style of lager. Of course, Labatt's Pilsner, which had a blue label, and for marketing purposes is now called Blue, is about as far from a real Pilsner as a Trabant is from a Ferrari. cheers, frank T Rittenhouse wrote: Boy you really have a problem, Dave. Because you see pilsner is a type of lager. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: blackout
Oh! I'm supposed to be a very funny fellow. One of my reviewers wrote of one novel that it was 'laced with dark and sardonic humour'. By the way I was building that darkroom in the basement of our family home. I was only 17 and had installed the bench and sink - but had not finished the plumbing. In case you were going to ask. I had a big bucket of water to rinse things and make solutions. I washed the films upstairs in the bathtub. A few days later all was ready and working including the door and thick black curtain. Up to that time I'd been giving my film to a neighbour who ran a photo business from his home. He always processed films in an alcoholic stupor. He was blind drunk when he washed one of mine in water so hot that the emulsion came right off. I decided I could do better myself. So I got deeper into photography and darkroom work and have done it ever since - on and off. But I'm very careful with labels and always read them before pouring. Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: July 31, 2003 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 7:12 PM Subject: Re: blackout I know you can develop 35 mm film in urine. Of course the results are not much use since there is no image. There is no equal to this list. Praise the Lord. Probably the first time that the good doctor has caused a guffaw in these quarters. Peter
Re: blackout
I love beer, but simply don't have the patience to wait for Pilz to be drawn. It takes half an hour to fill a glass with the good stuff. The best beer I've ever tasted is Schlösser Alt. There is also a good bitter to be had in Wiltshire - Arkell's. Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: July 31, 2003 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 4:57 PM Subject: Re: blackout Ok so i'm an idiot,(but with a 6x7)vbg Don't forget up here in the sticks,that micro brewed stuff is a hard find.Blue, Ex,and Canadian is about it.lol I was in Rochester a few years ago and the imported Canadian beers,even with exchange calc;d was cheaper in the US than here. Go fiqure eh. Dave(washing down a fine Blue with shots of Tmax and stop bath)Brooks I beat you, Tom. g But, to further clarify, I believe that Pilsner is a town or city in either the Czech Republic or Slovakia (which is my way of saying it's in the former Czechoslovakia, but now that they're separate, I don't know which it's in). They brewed an exceptionally fine lager there (they may still, I don't know), and their recipe was copied in other places, such that Pilsner is now a style of lager. Of course, Labatt's Pilsner, which had a blue label, and for marketing purposes is now called Blue, is about as far from a real Pilsner as a Trabant is from a Ferrari. cheers, frank T Rittenhouse wrote: Boy you really have a problem, Dave. Because you see pilsner is a type of lager. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
RE: blackout
Don wrote: I love beer, but simply don't have the patience to wait for Pilz to be drawn. It takes half an hour to fill a glass with the good stuff. The best beer I've ever tasted is Schlösser Alt. There is also a good bitter to be had in Wiltshire - Arkell's. Here in the Cheshire (UK) we have (as many other places do ) a yearly beer festival in September. There are usually between 50 and 60 different beers on offer. One beer that HAS to be there and goes the first night if not rationed (the event is on over three sessions) is called 'wobbly Bob'. I used to go to these beer festivals. My wife would drop me off and I would spend the afternoon sampling many different brews. There is always a fine Lancashire hotpot with pickled red cabbage by the ton (or sandwiches for the wimps). When I could sample no more (As Mike Harding says 'your only drunk when you have to hold on to the floor'), I would press a preset on my mobile phone and my wife would know that the 'Martian' on the other end was me and it was time for picking up! Alas over the years the beers have got finer, but I can no-longer take the pace and it is such a shame as the chance to taste so many fine brews is great indeed. BTW you 'buy the beers with tickets that you have to purchase before and the beer is only served in 1/2 pint glasses.
Re: Boring Saturday Night - My Bike
You're right, Butch, I wasn't trying to say that your mainstream beers were getting stronger (in either taste or alcoholic content), but rather that ours are getting weaker (in taste, at least). I think that much of the North American market is becoming homogenized. Regional differences exist, but they aren't as pronounced as they used to be. And, those regions cross borders. A lobster fisherman in Maine has more in common with a Nova Scotia lobsterman than either do with a city slicker - from whatever city. Ditto for Alberta cattle farmers and Texan ranchers. But again, I digress... regards, frank Butch Black wrote: Frank wrote: Our mainstream American beer is still weak tasteless garbage. Luckily, in the 80's and 90's microbrews became more popular and more available. Some, like harpoon and Samuel Adams have even become sort of mini-mainstream national brands. Life is too short to drink lousy beer. Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hess (Demian) -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: OT: Sleeping in Seattle
Hi, Jerome, If you're heading out West on Aug 31, you'll likely not be hitting the Centre of the Universe (aka Toronto) until after mid-September at the earliest. Too bad, because I'll likely be out of this outpost by then. I mean, the other TOPDML guys (sadly, there are no gals) will still be here, but clearly, I'm the fun guy of the group. vbg But seriously, 't'would've been nice to meet ya. OTOH, if you could extend your route slightly eastward after TO - like to Nova Scotia... Uh, never mind. cheers, frank jerome wrote: Well, it's official: I'll be starting my trek to Seattle on August 31. Gosh, planning this trip (during which I'll be tent camping most of the way back) is *way* more work than I anticipated... but it's finally coming together. My route has changed several times, but it's beginning to firm up a bit. The trip back has also stretched from 10-15 days to 20-25 yikes!. Sounds good now... but we'll see what I think about that once I'm on the road. Camping just a couple of nights in West Virginia last week (before I headed to GFM) wore me out!... but I think that was mostly all the moving I did the 5 days before. Anyhow, Here's my current dilemma: I'd like to stay in Seattle for a bit longer. However, being an urban area, I may not be able to do so due to cost (even the hostels run about $25-$30 per night since it's metro). Does anyone have a place I could stay for about 2 nights? (a 2nd cousin's uncle's girlfriends sister's place?) If I can't find anyplace cheap to close my eyes for a few hours a night, then I'll have to start heading for the national parks sooner than I'd like... which is not a terrible thing, I suppose... but more time in the city (at the zoo, in particular) before I scurry into the woods would be nice. Thanks in advance... By the way... so far the trip back east is looking like Washington -- (thru Idaho... no potatoes, thanks) --- Montana -- Wyoming -- Colorado -- Nebraska -- Iowa -- Illinios -- Michigan -- Toronto -- NY -- back to PA. The longer (4+ days) stops will be MT,WY and CO... unless, of course, the members of TOPDML decide to show me some love g. Gotta run. Thanks again, jerome -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Why is it...
Threds about beer and the blackout can carry on unchecked, but if I mention a Mac I get screamed at? Which is more applicable to photography? I use my computer constanly for editing, printing and selling. Just an observation. BTW, if you want a really good Canadian beer, try Sleemans Honey brown ale (or their lager). C. PS: glad you guys got your power back. On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 08:29 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 07:08:37 -0400 From: T Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: blackout Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pilsner Urquel, the first modern clear beer (before that all beers were kind of murky). Many think it is the best beer (lager) in the world, but I like Grosch better. I noticed that Blue has been Americanized. Kind of sad. It is kind of interesting how the American Tasteless Beers came to be. Back in the 30's and earilier when the factory worker took the streetcar to work it was common for the guys to drop into the bar and have a beer or two while waiting for the streetcar after work. Then durning WWII Rosie the Riveter who was working in the plants while the boys were off having fun wanted to do the same thing. However, she really didn't care for the bitter taste of beer. So Miller developed a lighter beer with very little hops that was more acceptable to her palate. The other breweries followed suite because it is cheaper to make. The very worse beer in the US is Coors (called Cow Piss, when I was stationed in Denver in the early 60's), yuck. Funny thing is that most women still think beer is too bitter, and we men now have to buy imported or micro-brewed to get a decent beer. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:30 PM Subject: Re: blackout I beat you, Tom. g But, to further clarify, I believe that Pilsner is a town or city in either the Czech Republic or Slovakia (which is my way of saying it's in the former Czechoslovakia, but now that they're separate, I don't know which it's in). They brewed an exceptionally fine lager there (they may still, I don't know), and their recipe was copied in other places, such that Pilsner is now a style of lager. Of course, Labatt's Pilsner, which had a blue label, and for marketing purposes is now called Blue, is about as far from a real Pilsner as a Trabant is from a Ferrari. cheers, frank T Rittenhouse wrote: Boy you really have a problem, Dave. Because you see pilsner is a type of lager. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.509 / Virus Database: 306 - Release Date: 8/12/03
Re: Why is it...
- Original Message - From: Cameron Hood Subject: Why is it... Threds about beer and the blackout can carry on unchecked, but if I mention a Mac I get screamed at? Its because threads about beer tend to be civil discussions, threads about Mac vs. PC tend to devolve into religious like drivel. Both are equally tiresome. William Robb
Re: Why is it...
Just quit it with that Mac crap! Mac, the appliance for wooses that you just plug in an use like a toaster! It takes a MAN to stand before Windows and wrestle with Intel chips! Har! Regards, Bob... Do not suppose that abuses are eliminated by destroying the object which is abused. Men can go wrong with wine and women. Shall we then prohibit and abolish women? -Martin Luther From: Cameron Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Threds about beer and the blackout can carry on unchecked, but if I mention a Mac I get screamed at? Which is more applicable to photography? I use my computer constanly for editing, printing and selling.
Re: Why is it...
Beer and photography go very well together. I used to perch my Little Leica on top of a tankard aimed usually at an acute angle to get candid shots of people in the row beside me. I got wonderful shots that way using a cable release and always looking away from the subject(s) or watching them in a mirror. Of course the tankard was always empty. I wouldn't take a chance with my precious camera; which was eventually stolen by someone in the Leica agency repair shop where it went to have its shutter checked. They gave me a new M4 with many apologies. He knew the value damn his eyes. I wished the pox on the thief and hoped his brain would rot in his head. Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: July 31, 2003 - Original Message - From: Cameron Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 9:47 PM Subject: Why is it... Threds about beer and the blackout can carry on unchecked, but if I mention a Mac I get screamed at? Which is more applicable to photography? I use my computer constanly for editing, printing and selling. Just an observation. BTW, if you want a really good Canadian beer, try Sleemans Honey brown ale (or their lager). C. PS: glad you guys got your power back. On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 08:29 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 07:08:37 -0400 From: T Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: blackout Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pilsner Urquel, the first modern clear beer (before that all beers were kind of murky). Many think it is the best beer (lager) in the world, but I like Grosch better. I noticed that Blue has been Americanized. Kind of sad. It is kind of interesting how the American Tasteless Beers came to be. Back in the 30's and earilier when the factory worker took the streetcar to work it was common for the guys to drop into the bar and have a beer or two while waiting for the streetcar after work. Then durning WWII Rosie the Riveter who was working in the plants while the boys were off having fun wanted to do the same thing. However, she really didn't care for the bitter taste of beer. So Miller developed a lighter beer with very little hops that was more acceptable to her palate. The other breweries followed suite because it is cheaper to make. The very worse beer in the US is Coors (called Cow Piss, when I was stationed in Denver in the early 60's), yuck. Funny thing is that most women still think beer is too bitter, and we men now have to buy imported or micro-brewed to get a decent beer. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:30 PM Subject: Re: blackout I beat you, Tom. g But, to further clarify, I believe that Pilsner is a town or city in either the Czech Republic or Slovakia (which is my way of saying it's in the former Czechoslovakia, but now that they're separate, I don't know which it's in). They brewed an exceptionally fine lager there (they may still, I don't know), and their recipe was copied in other places, such that Pilsner is now a style of lager. Of course, Labatt's Pilsner, which had a blue label, and for marketing purposes is now called Blue, is about as far from a real Pilsner as a Trabant is from a Ferrari. cheers, frank T Rittenhouse wrote: Boy you really have a problem, Dave. Because you see pilsner is a type of lager. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.509 / Virus Database: 306 - Release Date: 8/12/03
OT Beer
None of you know how bad beer can get until you've drunk the stuff here Best to just save the middleman and pour the stuff directly down the toilet. Clive Antibes France
Re: Why is it...
And, beer is a diuretic, and we all now know that one can develop beer in urine! vbg cheers, frank Dr E D F Williams wrote: Beer and photography go very well together. I used to perch my Little Leica on top of a tankard aimed usually at an acute angle to get candid shots of people in the row beside me. I got wonderful shots that way using a cable release and always looking away from the subject(s) or watching them in a mirror. Of course the tankard was always empty. I wouldn't take a chance with my precious camera; which was eventually stolen by someone in the Leica agency repair shop where it went to have its shutter checked. They gave me a new M4 with many apologies. He knew the value damn his eyes. I wished the pox on the thief and hoped his brain would rot in his head. Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: July 31, 2003 -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Why is it...
Hi, Cameron, Sleemans does brew several nice beers. I've never tried a Mac. I'm sorry you got screamed at. It wasn't me. I wouldn't do that to you. cheers, frank Cameron Hood wrote: Threds about beer and the blackout can carry on unchecked, but if I mention a Mac I get screamed at? Which is more applicable to photography? I use my computer constanly for editing, printing and selling. Just an observation. BTW, if you want a really good Canadian beer, try Sleemans Honey brown ale (or their lager). C. PS: glad you guys got your power back. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Why is it...
oops I meant develop film in urine. FILM. OTOH, beer will develop INTO urine fairly quickly. But, AFAIK, urine has nothing to do with the manufacture of beer. Even Labatts Blue. My bad. -frank frank theriault wrote: And, beer is a diuretic, and we all now know that one can develop beer in urine! vbg -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Boring Saturday Night - My Bike
(a single comment inserted into Frank's post) It would be nice to make my mark on history, I guess... Better than having a disease named after me. Like, what do we know about Huntington, or Parkinson, except that they named diseases after them? And ol' Dr Alzheimer. And, poor old Lou Gehrig! Possibly the greatest baseball player who ever lived, and all most people these days know about him is he's the guy they named ALS after. But, an animal, well I like that... cheers, frank Jostein wrote: In that case, it should be added to the list: http://www.funet.fi/pub/sci/bio/life/warp/crustacea-English- list.html#cyclopoida With the new species Bicyclops theriaultii. Jostein -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Re: Boring Saturday Night - My Bike
Butch posted: Life is too short to drink lousy beer. Finally, a beer comment I can agree with!
Re: Why is it...
Hah! You want heated controversy on this list, just hint at gee you enn ess. Gasp! All the [deleted deleteds] come out of the woodwork! They scream like you pulled all their short ones out in one grab! I still drink Moosehead, if I can find it. If I can't find that, I drink St. Paulies Girl, or Steinlager. And, in recognition of Tom's good taste, Pilsner Urquel. Saturdays I frequently go to a local pub, and have any of a number of excellent pulled British or Irish ales. But, those are consumed on premises, so it's less often than I'd prefer... smile keith whaley Cameron Hood wrote: Threds about beer and the blackout can carry on unchecked, but if I mention a Mac I get screamed at? Which is more applicable to photography? I use my computer constanly for editing, printing and selling. Just an observation. BTW, if you want a really good Canadian beer, try Sleemans Honey brown ale (or their lager). C. PS: glad you guys got your power back.
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- Original Message - From: Clive evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 8:06 PM Subject: OT Beer None of you know how bad beer can get until you've drunk the stuff here Best to just save the middleman and pour the stuff directly down the toilet. Clive Antibes France
Re: Cripple your K M lenses for the Cripple Mount
Boy that shop is brightly lit. That is the indoor exposure I expect with 400 film. Outside, without ever having been in England, I would bet you would be 2 stops underexposed 1/2 the time. Strange thing about that Sunny F16 rule is that very few people know how to interpret it. Every time someone has started bragging on it and I challenged them to estimate the light we are in, they have been several stops off when checked with an incident meter. Heck, I am usually a stop or two off and I KNOW how to estimate the light. With modern negative film a stop or two won't kill your photo, but with slides or digital you will miss many good shots. An interesting thing happened when Mark Roberts tried the istD with his K15/3.5, shots over several stops came out correctly exposed. The best I can figure is the camera was changing the speed index to give correct exposure. That is a strange feature that may disappear in the production cameras. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 11:59 AM Subject: Re: Cripple your K M lenses for the Cripple Mount Any photographer worth his/her salt frankly shouldn't need a hand held meter. Outside, now, 1/250th at F2.8, 100asa. Bright sunny day in England - never more than 1/500th at F8, 100asa. Inside the shop, 1/30th at F2.8, 100asa. Yeah, ok so long exposures and stuff, I'll give you that. Now where's my Nomex suit... Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.509 / Virus Database: 306 - Release Date: 8/12/03
Re: Why is it...
My favorite American beer is found only at Grizzly Peak, a little brewpub in Ann Arbor, Michigan. it's called Bear Paw Porter. It's rich, red and delicious. Paul On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 04:01 PM, Keith Whaley wrote: Hah! You want heated controversy on this list, just hint at gee you enn ess. Gasp! All the [deleted deleteds] come out of the woodwork! They scream like you pulled all their short ones out in one grab! I still drink Moosehead, if I can find it. If I can't find that, I drink St. Paulies Girl, or Steinlager. And, in recognition of Tom's good taste, Pilsner Urquel. Saturdays I frequently go to a local pub, and have any of a number of excellent pulled British or Irish ales. But, those are consumed on premises, so it's less often than I'd prefer... smile keith whaley Cameron Hood wrote: Threds about beer and the blackout can carry on unchecked, but if I mention a Mac I get screamed at? Which is more applicable to photography? I use my computer constanly for editing, printing and selling. Just an observation. BTW, if you want a really good Canadian beer, try Sleemans Honey brown ale (or their lager). C. PS: glad you guys got your power back.
Re: OT Beer
but you miss all the fun between! --- Clive evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of you know how bad beer can get until you've drunk the stuff here Best to just save the middleman and pour the stuff directly down the toilet. Clive Antibes France __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: istD release with lens M
As I said in another post, the prototype we handled at GFM* seemed to be changing the speed index over several stops when Mark Roberts tried it with his K15/3.5. I did not notice that with my M50/1.7, but I had it in manual mode when I tried it. Not being an idiot, I did not think to check how it worked if you did something idiotic. In default mode it will not even fire the shutter. I was the one who reset the camera to fire with a non-A lens, but I did not think to try it in automatic with my M lens. In manual there was no exposure confirmation that I could see, and if I set a wrong exposure the result was obviously wrong. Mark will be able to tell you exactly what he did. Also, I do not a CF card, so everyone will have to wait for some of the other list members to get home to see images. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 9:36 AM Subject: Re: istD release with lens M On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, T Rittenhouse wrote: function over rides that idiot-proof feature. The camera can not meter in that mode because it has no idea what aperture is set on the lens, but You mean cannot meter at all, or that it meters as if the lens is set in full aperture, like in the MZ-50? Kostas --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.509 / Virus Database: 306 - Release Date: 8/12/03
Re: OT Beer
Wow! I have drunk a couple of decent French beers. You can't get those? Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Clive evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 3:06 PM Subject: OT Beer None of you know how bad beer can get until you've drunk the stuff here Best to just save the middleman and pour the stuff directly down the toilet. Clive Antibes France --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.509 / Virus Database: 306 - Release Date: 8/12/03
Re: Why is it...
Enough with beer blackouts... Macs --- Cameron Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Threds about beer and the blackout can carry on unchecked, but if I mention a Mac I get screamed at? Which is more applicable to photography? I use my computer constanly for editing, printing and selling. Just an observation. BTW, if you want a really good Canadian beer, try Sleemans Honey brown ale (or their lager). C. PS: glad you guys got your power back. On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 08:29 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 07:08:37 -0400 From: T Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: blackout Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pilsner Urquel, the first modern clear beer (before that all beers were kind of murky). Many think it is the best beer (lager) in the world, but I like Grosch better. I noticed that Blue has been Americanized. Kind of sad. It is kind of interesting how the American Tasteless Beers came to be. Back in the 30's and earilier when the factory worker took the streetcar to work it was common for the guys to drop into the bar and have a beer or two while waiting for the streetcar after work. Then durning WWII Rosie the Riveter who was working in the plants while the boys were off having fun wanted to do the same thing. However, she really didn't care for the bitter taste of beer. So Miller developed a lighter beer with very little hops that was more acceptable to her palate. The other breweries followed suite because it is cheaper to make. The very worse beer in the US is Coors (called Cow Piss, when I was stationed in Denver in the early 60's), yuck. Funny thing is that most women still think beer is too bitter, and we men now have to buy imported or micro-brewed to get a decent beer. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:30 PM Subject: Re: blackout I beat you, Tom. g But, to further clarify, I believe that Pilsner is a town or city in either the Czech Republic or Slovakia (which is my way of saying it's in the former Czechoslovakia, but now that they're separate, I don't know which it's in). They brewed an exceptionally fine lager there (they may still, I don't know), and their recipe was copied in other places, such that Pilsner is now a style of lager. Of course, Labatt's Pilsner, which had a blue label, and for marketing purposes is now called Blue, is about as far from a real Pilsner as a Trabant is from a Ferrari. cheers, frank T Rittenhouse wrote: Boy you really have a problem, Dave. Because you see pilsner is a type of lager. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.509 / Virus Database: 306 - Release Date: 8/12/03 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
Re: I don't want an IS-Lens from Pentax!
I'd want IS for film cameras. The IS chip is a good idea for DSLR's. --- Rolf Brenner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, i hope Pentax will never made a Lens with an Image Stabilizer! If Pentax don't make a Lens with IS the chance is big that the next ist-D have an IS-Chip like the Minolta A1 so all my Pentax-Lenses have IS ;-)! What do you think? Best Regards Rolf __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
Re: Re: Boring Saturday Night - My Bike
Me too. The best thing that happend to me was I could no longer drink a lot of beer because of medication, so I decided to drink good beer instead. I find a couple of bottles of good beer far more satisfing than a case of crap. Turns out to be cheaper too. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 3:54 PM Subject: Re: Re: Boring Saturday Night - My Bike Butch posted: Life is too short to drink lousy beer. Finally, a beer comment I can agree with! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.509 / Virus Database: 306 - Release Date: 8/12/03
Re: AF Extension tubes?
yes, they make AF extension tubes. i have never seen them to comment further. Herb - Original Message - From: Paul Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 19:57 Subject: AF Extension tubes? I checked at BH and it seems like Kenko makes AF extension tubes for Pentax. I'm confused, I thought there was no AF tubes for Pentax. Is the BH website correct? thanks Paul
Re: Why is it...
heres someone who has tasted panther piss!! HAR! - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 6:47 AM Subject: Re: Why is it... American beer bites, scratches your throat and smells foul. It's panther piss. Regards, Bob...
Re: Why is it...
Ok, I've got to chime in now. Try Dogfish Head Ales. Most notably the Immortal Ale or the Raison d'etre Their stout and IPAs are good too. as a matter of fact, none of their beer is anything but awesome! Not only that, but they make a great rum and vodka too! Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 9:17 PM Subject: Re: Why is it... American beer bites, scratches your throat and smells foul. It's panther piss. Regards, Bob...
Re: OT: Sleeping in Seattle
Dan wrote The centre or the universe is apparently on Vancouver Island, a few mile north of Victoria. When I was there a week or so ago, I actually passed a road sign pointing to Center of the Universe. Actually, its an observatory and astrophysics center. I hope you took a picture of the sign. I still keep wanting to take of picture of the shingle for a local law office. It says: Blank and Blank, Attorneys at law. I wonder how may people have cursed at those blank and blank attorneys in their life VBG Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hess (Demian)
Re: AF Extension tubes?
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:57:03 -0700, you wrote: I checked at BH and it seems like Kenko makes AF extension tubes for Pentax. I'm confused, I thought there was no AF tubes for Pentax. Is the BH website correct? thanks Paul Yep, Kenko makes AF extension tubes for Pentax. I have the 25mm version, which I've used successfully on the FA* 600/4 and F* 300/4.5. -- John Mustarde www.photolin.com
Re: GFM Camera Clinic
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:03:15 -0400, you wrote: Just got home a few minutes ago. The *istD is NICE!!! Mark, TV, and I think Steve D. will be posting images in the next few days. It appears to work just fine with K and M lenses if you use an hand held meter. It may be that is necessary on M lenses. Mark's 15mm K appeared to meter okay using the thumbwheels, but Graywolf's M needed an external meter. IMHO, no big deal. I'm curious to see if the *istD has fast, accurate AF, better than any Pentax yet. I'm also curious to see if the *istD underexposes middle tones like the D100. -- John Mustarde www.photolin.com
Re: Cripple your K M lenses for the Cripple Mount
At least one - me. Gossen Lunasix bought used last year, for use with all my 30+ year old cameras! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Jim Apilado [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 12:58 PM Subject: Re: Cripple your K M lenses for the Cripple Mount How many PDMLers own a hand held meter? Jim A. From: T Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:27:29 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cripple your K M lenses for the Cripple Mount Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:27:43 -0400 Well, I can tell you you can use your M lens on an *istD. There is no metering because the camera has no mechanical coupling to tell it what aperture is set on the lens. But if you are willing to use your hand-held meter (or you could use trial and error, checking it with the LED image) it works fine. All you have to do is set the custom funtion that allows shutter release out of A mode. The default is set so idiots can not mess up by making a non-metered exposure. It also worked in program mode with my 3rd party KA lens, no problem. The *istD is a very neat camera. It has the best viewfinder I have seen in a DSLR (I have handled the D100, S2, D60, EOS1D), it is about the same apparent size and brightness as the MZ series 35mm cameras (remember the sensor is smaller than 35mm so the viewfinder needs higher magnification to give the same apparent size). The prototype available for us to play with has a problem with power management. That will be fixed in the production cameras. I think it is the best of the sub $2000 DSLRs. At $1699 I think they are going to sell faster than they can make them. I am home tonight from GFM because my air mattress suffered blowout last night. Living only 30 minutes away I decided I liked the idea of a soft bed and a hot shower better than the hard cold floor of my Blazer. Got to get up early and return in the morning so I don't miss anything. I hear all you folks to the north have been having quite an adventure. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Jonathan Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:33 AM Subject: Cripple your K M lenses for the Cripple Mount Um, I'm probably not the first one to think of this, but if you have a K or M lens that you just ~must~ use with the *ist D, why not remove the aperture coupling arm??? It would effectively turn it into a manual diaphragm lens. Of course it would be a shame to do this to a really nice lens like the K-15/3.5 or K-18/3.5, but I would have no qualms crippling a K-55/1.8 for a fine 82.5mm portrait lens that is known for being a bit soft wide open :-) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:26:47 +0200 From: Arnold Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: istdee Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The *ist D does not have the aperture simulator coupling ring (you find its coupling lever at 2 o'clock on your LX) that is needed so that the camera knows how far the lens stops down during exposure. Without this ring, and with any lens not in A position, open-aperture measurement is not possible. Stop-down metering is possible with srew mount lenses or lenses with fully manual aperture like the K500/f4.5 or the K28/f3.5. Stop-down metering could also be possible with all lenses, if Pentax had programmed the *ist D's meter to work when DOF preview is activated. Unfortunately, Pentax did something else: In aperture priority mode the meter works but the aperture always stays fully open. In manual mode the meter does not work but the lens stops down during exposure. Arnold Steve Larson schrieb: Looks to me like it has the aperture activator mechanism. I saved that jpeg of the istdee and enlarged it with ACDSee, it`s about 8 0`clock, looks just like the one in my LX. If that is indeed a mechanical actuator I don`t understand why a K or M lenses will not work. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.509 / Virus Database: 306 - Release Date: 8/12/03
Re: help with choosing a camera
Terhi, go for the MZ-S. Reasons? It's current, unlike the PZ series. It works with all your lenses, even back to classic M42, unlike the *ist It has a very good interface, with (IMHO) a bright enough viewfinder. It is tough and reliable. HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Terhi Toivola [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 4:17 PM Subject: help with choosing a camera hi all, I'm an intermediate amateur (not quite advanced yet, neither beginner anymore) photoaddict in the need of a new (film, not digital) camera. I have a p50/p5 and some manual focus lenses (20-80 zoom, 50-mm and a sigma macro), which I would, of course, like to use with the new body too. I usually shoot still-life, portaits etc., not very much anything with a lot of action, possibly because I'm finding it a bit difficult with manual focus... also I'm getting a bit tired of dragging the heavy p50 around, and its poor ergonomy and lack of a flash. I'm wavering in hesitation between MZ-S, *ist and PZ-1P - opinions please? Other suggestions? My budget is max 1000 ? with a simple lense, 50 mm perhaps as the old one is not very good. I dream of a 100 mm macro, but I suspect that's far out of my budget... I would like the camera be solid to hold, not too light and flimsy, and with a good bight viewfinder, hopefully suitable for person wearing glasses. Also I need a flash, but later on when I manage to raise the funds for that. Until then, the built-in will have to do. However, suggestions are welcome. I don't really understand much of flashes, so I would be perfectly happy with a point-and-shoot type, and if it works with the old p50 all the better. Terhi -- * Terhi Toivola (M.Sc.) Researcher National Public Health Institute Department of Environmental Health Laboratory of Environmental Microbiology P.O. Box 95 FIN-70701 Kuopio Finland + 358 (0)17 201 159 (work) + 358 (0)50 3663 462 (cellular) Fax: + 358 (0)17 201 155 [EMAIL PROTECTED] *
Re: OT: Sleeping in Seattle
No, actually I had driven past the sign before I realized whatg it said, and I was too bu Butch Black wrote:sy trying not to get lost to go back and get it. I hope you took a picture of the sign.
Re: Scotland pics up
Excellent pages. I had really enjoyed them! Congrats again... Boris
New toy
FA* 200mm f/2.8 arrived on the doorstep this morning. What a little beauty. Pity I won't get to shoot with it until next weekend... hopefully it won't rain. I might take tomorrow off work actually :) Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: New toy
looks like I have to send some ninjas to your hosue soon. man some people have all the fun :D --- David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FA* 200mm f/2.8 arrived on the doorstep this morning. What a little beauty. Pity I won't get to shoot with it until next weekend... hopefully it won't rain. I might take tomorrow off work actually :) Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
