Way OT: Re: A viral attachment?

[Dr E D F Williams]

Yes. But add to this the difficulty my ISP is having right now. TeliaSonera
(previously known as Telecom Finland) is having serious problems. Old
messages are arriving here in batches of a dozen or so each day. Two minutes
ago six arrived, originally sent on the Oct 15, 16, 17 and 18. One subject
was "Da Cubbies" which I had not read and cannot remember even seeing. I
can't remember the date on the virulent message that came here (allegedly
from your PC) but it might have been a week or two old.

Sonera's problem was reported (on TV news, Sunday) after more than a week of
no service -- they had a worm that was causing a "Denial of Service"; but
they put it like this "there was a large amount of traffic." At least that's
what Aino reported to me - I was under the weather at the time.

The attachment, (.pif) by the way, was a program and had only one
recognisable plain text word amongst its encrypted bytes 'ANAL' (in caps,
I'm not shouting) and that gives one some idea of what it might be. Its been
erased now.

I'd drop Sonera like a hot potato if there was another provider who could
give an ADSL service here. But Sonera is the only one in Toivakka and makes
all kinds of excuses for not giving other companies access. They also charge
the same for 256 k in Toivakka as for 512 k in Helsinki.

Don
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- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: A viral attachment?


> I sent this message out a long time ago.  I suspect that someone else
> has a virus and is using my stored message and address as a cover.  I'll
> check here just to be sure.
>
>
> Steven Desjardins
> Department of Chemistry
> Washington and Lee University
> Lexington, VA 24450
> (540) 458-8873
> FAX: (540) 458-8878
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>

Re: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See

[David Mann]

Robert Gonzalez wrote:

> > 5. Full frame sensor? Nope, don't think that is important to me.
> 
> Cm'on don't you want to use your 15mm rectilinear in all its glory!! :)

That one's reasonably important to me, because I do have a 15mm.  For the 
time being I'd be happy to keep my trusty old K2 for the ultrawide stuff.

> Ok, my apologies, I'm an Electrical Engineer who writes software, so my
> perspective is heavily biased towards this little window on the world. ;)

Good to see another EE on the list ;)  I am more of a hardware guy who 
writes software on the side.

> 1. I'd like to see alot of wireless stuff, like making the camera a
> wireless TCP/IP node that I could download the images off of.

How about making it a node which automatically uploads images into a 
settable location on a fileserver while you shoot?  Just think - keep a 
server in the studio or even a laptop in the car if you're outdoors 
(parked in the shade!).  How about letting it interface direct to a 
wireless-enabled ipod in your pocket?  These are all very exciting 
possibilities.  You could shoot RAW all day and never need to worry about 
storage.

> 9. Some type of physical or electrical means of attaching a separate unit
> to cool the CCD. This sucks up alot of power, so it would have to be
> something external. Ideally they could stick a peltier chip behind the CCD
> with an external power connector. this would allow much lower noise
> pictures for special applications, like astrophotograpy or long exposures.

Not such a bad idea, assuming that most of the noise is thermally 
generated.  The problem with peltier chips is that they require a 
reasonable amount of power to operate so battery life would be quite 
short.

> 10. Use the LCD for more useful stuff, like turning it into a PDA with the
> little stylus on the side. Just kidding. ;)

I just bought a digital camera with a built-in PDA.  Oops - I mean a PDA 
with built-in camera.  Quite handy little things despite the camera being 
only 640x480.  I like the concept of the new Treo 600 but I guess you'd 
really want a handsfree kit or you wouldn't be able to take notes while 
talking.

I seem to recall that someone ported Doom to a commonly-used digital 
camera operating system.  But if I get a DSLR I'd be more interested in 
taking photos with it :)

Cheers,

- Dave

http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

Re: Trimming your photos

[Pat]

I wrote:
> I was out at Office Depot today and saw a variety of paper trimmers, ranging
> from about $10 to about $100, made by Fiskars, Rotatrim & Xacto.

After reading the input from the list, I went back to Office Depot this
weekend. I ended up w/ a $10-ish X-acto Personal paper trimmer. It's comes w/ a
sliding blade (plus 1 refill) and is capable of cutting 11-inch prints. Have
been using it a bit and I quite like it. It can cut narrow little strips and
it's not too difficult to tell where to cut. 

Pat in SF

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RE: new to list and a question

[J. C. O'Connell]

I owned a couple mamiya C33s and all 7? of the lens sets for
about a dozen years until I sold them for the Pentax 67 system.
The bodies never let me down and the lenses were all excellent
but not quite as good as the superb P67 lenses in terms of contrast.
I used them mostly for B&W with great results. There are two
accessories that are a must. 1. the prism finder and 2. the
hand grip. The camera is very awkward without these items but
unfortunately the prism is costly.
JCO


   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com


-Original Message-
From: gregcooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:28 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: new to list and a question


Thanks to everyone for the ebay info. It was very helpful. By the way, I
work a few blocks away from the biggest camera store here in Edmonton, and I
often walk over on lunch breaks. I had been wanting to try some medium
format but the price scares me, anyway a guy working at the store had an old
mamiya c33 twin lens reflex which seems to be in pretty good shape and he
sold it to me for $150 Canadian. Pretty good deal I think.
Too bad winter is starting (Edmonton usual gets pretty brutal winters and
they usually start around this time)
Greg Cooper

- Original Message -
From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: new to list and a question


> Greg,
>
> Welcome.
> I sell a lot on eBay and prefer to only ship to US & Canada.
> dpconsult.com
> Several packages have been lost in overseas shipments and
> nobody likes the situation.  (The source for one of my negatives.)
> I usually set a reserve, when I do it, at the absolute lowest I'll take
> for it.  At the same time I use a Buy It Now just a little above the
> going rate just to see if someone really wants it.  Works sometimes.
> The key to a good sale is good pics.  My current 2 ads have a mediocre
> and no pic, and so aren't selling (I've misplaced my digital camera lens!)
> Personally, I think now is the time to reduce ( though not eliminate )
> one's film body inventory.  Prices are dropping noticably.
> (A good Super Program would have sold for $90 a year ago but today
> seems to be going around $65.)  Do it while you can.   A Warranty is
> a good selling point to make full use of.
>
> Enjoy the list & have fun.
>
> Collin
>

Re: new to list and a question

[gregcooper]

Thanks to everyone for the ebay info. It was very helpful. By the way, I
work a few blocks away from the biggest camera store here in Edmonton, and I
often walk over on lunch breaks. I had been wanting to try some medium
format but the price scares me, anyway a guy working at the store had an old
mamiya c33 twin lens reflex which seems to be in pretty good shape and he
sold it to me for $150 Canadian. Pretty good deal I think.
Too bad winter is starting (Edmonton usual gets pretty brutal winters and
they usually start around this time)
Greg Cooper

- Original Message -
From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: new to list and a question


> Greg,
>
> Welcome.
> I sell a lot on eBay and prefer to only ship to US & Canada.
> dpconsult.com
> Several packages have been lost in overseas shipments and
> nobody likes the situation.  (The source for one of my negatives.)
> I usually set a reserve, when I do it, at the absolute lowest I'll take
> for it.  At the same time I use a Buy It Now just a little above the
> going rate just to see if someone really wants it.  Works sometimes.
> The key to a good sale is good pics.  My current 2 ads have a mediocre
> and no pic, and so aren't selling (I've misplaced my digital camera lens!)
> Personally, I think now is the time to reduce ( though not eliminate )
> one's film body inventory.  Prices are dropping noticably.
> (A good Super Program would have sold for $90 a year ago but today
> seems to be going around $65.)  Do it while you can.   A Warranty is
> a good selling point to make full use of.
>
> Enjoy the list & have fun.
>
> Collin
>

Re: 5 Mpixel price breakthough

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Comcast Mail"
Subject: Re: 5 Mpixel price breakthough


> Gateway's 5 megapixel model is a rebadged Argus DC3810. The review of this
> particular model can be found here:
> http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/argus/dc3810-review/index.shtml
>
> While cheap, the camera is no bargain and comparing it to top tier models
> like G5 or Optio 555 is pointless since Argus was built to be cheap and to
> attract newbiews with claims of 5 megapixel quality.

Look at the night shot. There has to be more than a couple of dozen hot
pixels.

William Robb

Re: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "mishka"
Subject: Re: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See


> i often find the absense of mirror in a TLR a huge help,
> when shooting handheld. to me, a mirror in a dslr would be
> about as useful as horsewhip in a car (it *can* be useful --
> occasionally )
> besides, who needs manual focus when you can have 2^32 AF zones?

Try hand holding a C220 with the porrofinder attached. It's not all the lack
of mirror, some of it is the more comfortable position that TLR's get held
in.

William Robb

Re: 5 Mpixel price breakthough

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: 5 Mpixel price breakthough


> That cant be right or CANON couldnt be selling
> the 6Mpixel rebel digital for 999.99 retail.

The Canon sensor is a CMOS, which apparently is much less expensive to
produce.
It wouldn't surprise me at all for the digital Rebel to be a money losing
proposition for Canon. They can certainly afford to buy market share in this
segment, and it is a very good segment of the market to own.

William Robb

Re: Program Plus problem

[Rfsindg]

Are you using the right batteries?
Alkaline A76 will have no life.
Regards,  Bob S.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>  I have a Program Plus (Program A) wich show allway 'low battery'
>  (000 blinking).
>  Has anyone a service manual for it ?
>  I don't know if
>  - the electronic is broken
>  - the electronic drain the battery
>  - the low battery detector nead adjustement
>  Under the base plate aren only two adjustement dials

Re: my ist-D samples

[Christian]

- Original Message - 
From: "jmb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: my ist-D samples
>
> Enjoyed the pictures!  Do you find the operation
of the dslr to be
> similar in feel
> and speed to an equiv f slr?  How easy or hard
is RAW and PPL s/w to
> work with?
>
> Thanks,
>
> jmb~

Thanks!

Considering that my last film based SLRs were an
LX and MX, I'd say that the operation of the ist-d
is completely new and diferent to me!  That said,
I'm a resourceful, intelligent person so learning
the new interface (mainly, using the lens on "A"
and spinning a wheel to change aperture) was not a
problem.  after five minutes of playing it was
second-nature.  The viewfinder is awesome, so I'm
not missing the LX.

For my style of shooting, RAW is the only way to
go.  Using PPL is very easy and intuitive.  I
still haven't read the manual.

Christian

RE: 5 Mpixel price breakthough

[tom]

Do you always have to speak in absolutes and caps?

CANON MAKES THEIR OWN CHIPS.

TV

> -Original Message-
> From: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> That cant be right or CANON couldnt be selling
> the 6Mpixel rebel digital for 999.99 retail.
> JCO
>
> 
> 
>J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com
> 
> 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: alex wetmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:49 PM
> To: pentax discuss
> Subject: Re: 5 Mpixel price breakthough
>
>
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> > I just saw on TV that gateway has a 5Mpixel
> > digital P&S for $249.99
> >
> > I think 35mm film's days are really numbered.
> >
> > Why does a DSLR cost $1250.00 more WITHOUT
> > a lens???
>
> The CCD in a DSLR has about 10x the surface area (23.4mm by
> 15.6mm vs
> 7.2mm by 5.3mm).  Big chips cost much much more to make because they
> get lower yields.
>
> The last thing that I found said that the sensor in the
> Pentax *ist D
> and Nikon D100 cost about $700 each in quantity.
>
> alex
>
>
>

Re: Tests of chromatic aberrations with *istD

[Joseph Tainter]

Thanks for doing these tests, Jostein. I look forward to future 
installments.

The posted images aren't large enough, to my eyes, to see color 
fringing. I'm not questioning that it is there, I just cannot tell how 
bad it is. For the lenses with chromatic abberation, can you estimate 
what size print enlargement one would have to make to see it? For me, 
that is the real world test.

Thanks, Jostein.

Joe

Re: 5 Mpixel price breakthough

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

> I just saw on TV that gateway has a 5Mpixel
> digital P&S for $249.99

> Why does a DSLR cost $1250.00 more WITHOUT
> a lens???

Without knowing the features and the specs of the Gatweay camera, 
as well as its build quality, the quality of the lens, and the 
resuktant image quality, there's no way of knowing if it's even worth 
the money.  "There's no free lunch; You get what you pay for; If it 
seems to good to be true, it probably is; There's a sucker born every 
minute."

In general, DSLR's are built to a different standard than the P&S and 
similar digicams.  Why did the LX cost more than the Pentax IQ Zoom?

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OT: PS/PSP (was Re: Book suggestion please)

[Ryan Lee]

Hey again Cott..

If the powerbook's in the mail already, I hope you've insured it :) Actually
just commenting on this statement here, I use PS7 and PSP8, and have to say
that PSP's file-browser feels more well-developed to me.. Definitely not
saying PSP more powerful, just that I figure it's strange PS only thought of
including a file-browser just recently. On the bright side, there's PS CS to
look forward to, and they lay claim to an improved browser, so I guess we
can wait and see.

Cheers,
Ryan

From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> One thing I had neglected is the File Browser - I had no idea how good it
> was, and how much better than Canon's Image Browser (which I had been
> using - no longer!)...

RE: 5 Mpixel price breakthough

[J. C. O'Connell]

That cant be right or CANON couldnt be selling
the 6Mpixel rebel digital for 999.99 retail.
JCO


   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com


-Original Message-
From: alex wetmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:49 PM
To: pentax discuss
Subject: Re: 5 Mpixel price breakthough


On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> I just saw on TV that gateway has a 5Mpixel
> digital P&S for $249.99
>
> I think 35mm film's days are really numbered.
>
> Why does a DSLR cost $1250.00 more WITHOUT
> a lens???

The CCD in a DSLR has about 10x the surface area (23.4mm by 15.6mm vs
7.2mm by 5.3mm).  Big chips cost much much more to make because they
get lower yields.

The last thing that I found said that the sensor in the Pentax *ist D
and Nikon D100 cost about $700 each in quantity.

alex

Re: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See

[Robert Gonzalez]

It may be that CCD TV cameras can operate so fast because:

1.  The res is not so high (800x600 or less)
2.  It sends out the analog signal directly to the output without 
conversion (A to D conversion is slow if you want good quality)

Since digital camcorders have to do a A/D conversion (lower res than a 
DSLR), it might be possible to put this functionality on a DSLR if they 
cut a corner on #1 or #2.  I.e. less resolution, or lower quality.

Just my $.02 worth

rg

John Francis wrote:
When I last posted that live preview caused an increase in shutter
lag I had a few people who doubted this.  Here is the design book ...


That just shows that some particular chip designs have this problem.
It doesn't mean that it's an inherent problem if you use CCD sensors.
As I pointed out, CCD TV cameras work just fine, so it's obviously
possible to have a live-preview CCD SLR which adds less than 1/60 of
a second to the shutter lag - something you'd be hard put to detect.
There may be other reasons (cost, power, ...) not to incorporate this
capability in a sensor designed to be used in a DSLR.  But inasmuch
as there are proofs-by-example that it's possible,  your assertion
that it can't be done seems to be on shaky ground

Re: OT: Sigma SD10, preview and samples

[Chris Brogden]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Alin Flaider wrote:

>
>   Initially Foveon specified 3.3 MPix in the marketing papers. Later,
>   although it was obvious it delivered results at least as good as
>   6 MPix mosaic sensors, it was still classified among 3 MPix cameras
>   in commercial catalogues, tutorials, even reviews.
>   So it's the market and it's MPix blinding criteria that drove Foveon
>   to count photosites - just like the others do.

True, but it's still misleading.  While colour may be recorded at 10
million distinct photosites, luminence is only recorded at 3.3 million.
In the end you get an image whose quality is somewhere in between 3.3 and
10MP.  It's certainly better than 3.3MP cameras, but it's not capturing
luminence at 10 million distinct sites.

chris

Re: Ebay

[Chris Brogden]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, graywolf wrote:

> And as far as Ebay's feedback it is already BS because 90+% of transactions
> should be rated neutral: e.g. no problems, no complaints, but nothing special.

Just to jump in here... to my mind, if I purchase an item off eBay and it
arrives in the advertised condition, with reasonable shipping times and
costs, and I feel like I received what I expected to receive, that's a
positive transaction for me.  Different people have different levels of
expectation.

chris

Re: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See

[Herb Chong]

i feel my FA 24-90 f 3.5-4.5, a highly regarded lens here, has too much
chromatic abberation to be used more than necessary. this is on film and not
on the *ist. i feel that my FA* 24 f2.0, an even more highly regarded lens
here, has more than i feel is acceptable for a lens belonging to the FA*
line. these are at working apertures above f8. both my FA 50 f2.8 macro and
FA* 80-200 f2.8 have no detectable chromatic abberation at f2.8 to my eyes.
my Sigma 15-30 f3.5-4.5 has about the same chromatic abberation as my FA* 24
f2.0 but is noticeably less sharp.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See


> But what if the *istD turns up more chromatic aberrations, than say the
300D
> does? What does that mean? Does it mean more Pentax lenses had chromatic
> aberrations all along? And if it does mean that, isn't that rather
disappointing?

Re: 5 Mpixel price breakthough

[alex wetmore]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> I just saw on TV that gateway has a 5Mpixel
> digital P&S for $249.99
>
> I think 35mm film's days are really numbered.
>
> Why does a DSLR cost $1250.00 more WITHOUT
> a lens???

The CCD in a DSLR has about 10x the surface area (23.4mm by 15.6mm vs
7.2mm by 5.3mm).  Big chips cost much much more to make because they
get lower yields.

The last thing that I found said that the sensor in the Pentax *ist D
and Nikon D100 cost about $700 each in quantity.

alex

5 Mpixel price breakthough

[J. C. O'Connell]

I just saw on TV that gateway has a 5Mpixel
digital P&S for $249.99

I think 35mm film's days are really numbered.

Why does a DSLR cost $1250.00 more WITHOUT
a lens???

JCO


   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com

Re: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See

[mishka]

i often find the absense of mirror in a TLR a huge help,
when shooting handheld. to me, a mirror in a dslr would be 
about as useful as horsewhip in a car (it *can* be useful --
occasionally )
besides, who needs manual focus when you can have 2^32 AF zones?

mishka

All in all, it seems to me that the SLR concept is one of those things that
ain't broke, so isn't really worth fixing.
William Robb

RE: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See

[J. C. O'Connell]

Faster sensors
Full Frame sensors
Higher resolution sensors
K mount compatable
LOWER PRICE

Last Call on a Pentax67 2X Teleconverter

[J. C. O'Connell]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=30075&item=2958598808

About 3 hours left if you need one.

I used it with my 300mm a few times and it works quite well.

JCO


   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com

Re: Ebay

[Larry Levy]

I'm glad that Brian Dipert wrote:

"What I blame Ebay for was a system that so easily enables accounts to be
hijacked, and allows those accounts (and other accounts listing identical,
obviously fraudulent auctions) to remain active weeks or months after
complaints are received."

At first, I was confused. I thought that Brian was mad because when he chose
to break a rule, it was OK (even though others might be penalized), and the
problem only existed when the entity joining him in breaking the Ebay rule
of his choice broke one of Brian's rules and Brian was penalized (read
ripped off).

Now I get it. Brian is mad because Ebay made it easy to break the rule he
chose to break and won't penalize the entity Brian wants penalized. Let's
see, does that mean he wants to eat his cake and have it too? I think so.

Seems that there are grounds for Ebay to red card Brian and his cohort and
rule them both off the game. But why should Ebay choose to believe Brian
when Brian starts out by stipulating that he has broken Ebay's rules? Isn't
there something about not lending credence to uncollaborated evidence given
by a self-acknowledged co-conspiritor?

Let's see. There was a woman walking down the street with her purse open and
hanging from her shoulder. As he was walking by, someone else in the street
noticed this and he helped himself to some of the contents of the purse. Are
we to believe that it's the woman's fault the robbery occured because she
made it easy for a dishoest person to reach into her purse? And if the
person who stole from her gets ripped off by his fence, is this also
ultimately the woman's fault?

I'm not saying that this deal would have worked with no problems if everyone
followed Ebay's rules. I am saying that if you break Ebay's rules why would
you expect them to help you out?

Larry (who has some crying towels available at $8 a piece or the incredible
bargain of 3 for $25)

Re: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See

[alex wetmore]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, John Francis wrote:
> For a more down-to-earth example the Canon PowerShot cameras (from the
> 3.3Mp G1 to the 5Mp G5) have effectively no shutter lag if pre-focussed,
> and have a live LCD display at all times.  If a 5Mp point-and-shoot can
> do it, I have a hard time believing it would be impossible on a DSLR.

Only when you aren't using the live LCD.  From dpreview.com:

Shutter Release LAG Using Viewfinder  <0.1
Shutter Release LAG Using LCD Monitor 0.1

That is the same as the published lag for the Sony DSC-F717 that I
own:

Shutter Release LAG LCD monitor, pre-focused (shutter rel. half-pressed) 0.1
Shutter Release LAG EVF, pre-focused (shutter rel. half-pressed) 0.1

The lag on the *ist D is noticably shorter than the F717 when shooting
in manual focus and manual exposure modes.

alex

Obtaining film was: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See

[Malcolm Smith]

Graywolf wrote:

> My prediction? Color film will be hard to find in 5 years. 
> B&W will be hard to find in 10 years. And film will be pretty 
> much gone in 25 years. The only real hope is that the 
> internet makes it posible for someone to cater to a very 
> small world wide niche market. The good side of this? I will 
> probably not care in 25 years. ;)

B&W is damn near impossible to find now (but won't be by Wednesday) as there
has been a run on it here, apparently!

Aside from that, slide film will be slow to depart. Damn sure I will not be
going to digital, without my LX filled and latterly developed with slide
film for the Christmas annual show. I like the inconvenience of the big
screen going up

Malcolm  

Re: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See

[John Francis]

> 
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, John Francis wrote:
> 
> > As I pointed out, CCD TV cameras work just fine, so it's obviously
> > possible to have a live-preview CCD SLR which adds less than 1/60 of
> > a second to the shutter lag - something you'd be hard put to detect.
> 
> On the other hand, CCD TV cameras are just 0.3 Mpix so it may be that a
> larger sensor takes longer to read data from.

HDTV cameras are up to 2Mpix, full-frame at 30 or 60Hz.

For a more down-to-earth example the Canon PowerShot cameras (from the
3.3Mp G1 to the 5Mp G5) have effectively no shutter lag if pre-focussed,
and have a live LCD display at all times.  If a 5Mp point-and-shoot can
do it, I have a hard time believing it would be impossible on a DSLR.

NYCPDML and the PhotoPlus expo at the Javits

[Butch Black]

Hi Guys,

I'm going to be at the PhotoPlus expo at the Javits this Thursday. I will
try to be down at the food court around 12:30 if anyone wants to meet,
compare notes etc.

Butch

Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.

Hermann Hesse (Demian)

OT scanner versus optical printing comparison sites

[Butch Black]

Hi guys,

A friend of mine want to know if there are any good sites comparing 4000 PPI
35mm film scans output to A3 printer to a good minilab print (11x14 or
12x18). Also, any feedback on 6x7 negs scanned on an Epson 2450 versus 35mm
scanned with a 4000 PPI film scanner.

Butch

Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.

Hermann Hesse (Demian)

Re: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See

[Butch Black]

Previously written:

What I find really interesting and hard to predict is how film will
continue at this point.  I agree that R&D money will be cut severely and
that the number of available emulsions will plummet.  In the end though,
I think it will be profitable to produce film for quite a while,
although the [rice may rise as it becomes a "niche" item mainly for
specialized professionals and hobbyists.  In the end, the availability
and price of processing may be the limiting factor.  This latter point
may actually mean that B&W film may have a longer life then color since
the latter can be home processed.

The interesting question is will we notice big changes in 5, 10 or 25
years?

I think you are starting to see the changes already. You can't go into a
drugstore chain etc. without seeing a mini lab with digital capabilities.
The real question is whether they can get enough people to print their
digicam images for it to remain profitable for them. If not, you will find
in 5-10 years, just when they have driven most of the independent labs out
of business, that they will severely scale down what they offer. I agree
that B&W will likely do better then color as it is relatively easy to do at
home. The scanner manufacturers do need to work on the traditional B&W
scanning capabilities of their scanners.

Butch

Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.

Hermann Hesse (Demian)

RE: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See

[mishka]

i thought about this too and... nah... can't be.
2000x3000 pixels x 1.5 factor = 3000x4500, quite a bit less than
a good scanner resolution (4000x6000), and i haven't seen much 
abberation there.
can it be that the sensor has just surface, while the film emultion
has some thickness, that averages the focusing errors for different
wavelengths?

mishka

dont forget that the 1.5X "cropping factor" just magnifies
the abberations over what you would see with the same
resolution sensor "seeing" the whole lens circle. i.e.
you are "zooming in" on the flaws with a APS sensor
-
 J.C. O'Connell

Re: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See

[graywolf]

My prediction? Color film will be hard to find in 5 years. B&W will be hard to 
find in 10 years. And film will be pretty much gone in 25 years. The only real 
hope is that the internet makes it posible for someone to cater to a very small 
world wide niche market. The good side of this? I will probably not care in 25 
years. ;)

Steve Desjardins wrote:
What I find really interesting and hard to predict is how film will
continue at this point.  I agree that R&D money will be cut severely and
that the number of available emulsions will plummet.  In the end though,
I think it will be profitable to produce film for quite a while,
although the [rice may rise as it becomes a "niche" item mainly for
specialized professionals and hobbyists.  In the end, the availability
and price of processing may be the limiting factor.  This latter point
may actually mean that B&W film may have a longer life then color since
the latter can be home processed.  

The interesting question is will we notice big changes in 5, 10 or 25
years?
--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: Ebay

[Rob Studdert]

On 27 Oct 2003 at 10:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> BTW, even though the eBay feedback rant was somewhat of a non sequitur, 
> feedback on eBay *does* list whether the member was the seller or buyer in the
> transaction in question. 

..and many eBayers do leave positive feedback to indicate a positive experience 
although I do agree that eBay actively promotes positive feedback.

Rob Studdert (eBay ID: distudio)
http://members.ebay.com.au/aboutme/distudio/

PO Box 701
HURSTVILLE BC NSW 1481
AUSTRALIA

Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Please check my current eBay auctions:
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/ebay/

Re: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See

[Steve Desjardins]

> 3. I'd like a full frame sensor if it has the same pixel density as
the
> current APS sensor.  You would then still have the "magnification
> effect" with telephotos, just that you could achieve it by cropping.

>That's what the current full-frame sensors in the Canon 1Ds & Kodak
14N are.

I want it cheap too ;-)

What I find really interesting and hard to predict is how film will
continue at this point.  I agree that R&D money will be cut severely and
that the number of available emulsions will plummet.  In the end though,
I think it will be profitable to produce film for quite a while,
although the [rice may rise as it becomes a "niche" item mainly for
specialized professionals and hobbyists.  In the end, the availability
and price of processing may be the limiting factor.  This latter point
may actually mean that B&W film may have a longer life then color since
the latter can be home processed.  

The interesting question is will we notice big changes in 5, 10 or 25
years?


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See

[Anders Hultman]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, John Francis wrote:

> As I pointed out, CCD TV cameras work just fine, so it's obviously
> possible to have a live-preview CCD SLR which adds less than 1/60 of
> a second to the shutter lag - something you'd be hard put to detect.

On the other hand, CCD TV cameras are just 0.3 Mpix so it may be that a
larger sensor takes longer to read data from.

anders
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Re: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See

[alex wetmore]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, John Francis wrote:
> > When I last posted that live preview caused an increase in shutter
> > lag I had a few people who doubted this.  Here is the design book ...
>
> That just shows that some particular chip designs have this problem.
> It doesn't mean that it's an inherent problem if you use CCD sensors.
>
> As I pointed out, CCD TV cameras work just fine, so it's obviously
> possible to have a live-preview CCD SLR which adds less than 1/60 of
> a second to the shutter lag - something you'd be hard put to detect.

I don't think that any manufacturers are building high resolution
progressive scan CCDs with this characteristic though.

> There may be other reasons (cost, power, ...) not to incorporate this
> capability in a sensor designed to be used in a DSLR.  But inasmuch
> as there are proofs-by-example that it's possible,  your assertion
> that it can't be done seems to be on shaky ground

I didn't say that it couldn't be done, I said that it isn't done at
this point in time.

The documented CCDs used for D-SLR markets don't have any high frame
rate modes (or didn't when I last read the specifications).  The ones
used for P&S cameras can only do high frame rates (30fps or 60fps)
when using a small percentage of the photosites on the CCD itself.

alex

Re: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See

[John Francis]

> 
> When I last posted that live preview caused an increase in shutter
> lag I had a few people who doubted this.  Here is the design book ...

That just shows that some particular chip designs have this problem.
It doesn't mean that it's an inherent problem if you use CCD sensors.

As I pointed out, CCD TV cameras work just fine, so it's obviously
possible to have a live-preview CCD SLR which adds less than 1/60 of
a second to the shutter lag - something you'd be hard put to detect.

There may be other reasons (cost, power, ...) not to incorporate this
capability in a sensor designed to be used in a DSLR.  But inasmuch
as there are proofs-by-example that it's possible,  your assertion
that it can't be done seems to be on shaky ground

Re: Long exposure question

[Lon Williamson]

AFAIK, K2 MLU is not cancellable.  Nor does it stop down the
lens.  The KX does both.
Michel Carrère-Gée wrote:
Lon Williamson a écrit:

The MX does not prefire the mirror.
The "finger flick" technique works, though, on most MXen.
I don't think you should use an MX when you want Ultimate
Stability.  Grab a KX instead.  It's the only camera Pentax
ever produced that has sane MLU.
And the K2 ??

Re: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See


> dont forget that the 1.5X "cropping factor" just magnifies
> the abberations over what you would see with the same
> resolution sensor "seeing" the whole lens circle. i.e.
> you are "zooming in" on the flaws with a APS sensor

Good catch. To make an 8x12 print from an APS sized sensor would be like
making a 12x18 from 35mm, in terms of equivalent magnification.

William Robb

Re: Book suggestion please

[Cotty]

Earlier I wrote:

>I have seen a lot of Photoshop books in the past 5 years, but IMO there
>is only one worth having: Adobe Photoshop For Photographers by Martin
Evening.
>
>It is not only easily readable, but the information on its pages can be
>retrieved at the reader's own pace. By this I mean that one can get as
>little or as much out of it as needed. It is not a complete how-to of
>Photoshop that (say) a graphic designer would need, rather it is aimed
>specifically at photographers and so it concentrates on a photographer's
>needs with sections on digital input (whether camera or scanner),
>configuring Photoshop, colour management and the workspace, output to
>file or print, and intensive and thorough sections on all the goodies PS
>can do with first rate illustrations and graphics.
>
>One of the things I liked about the book is how clear everything is laid
>out - tables and lists are clean and easily viewed. The author
>specifically makes use of both Mac and PC ways of working, with keyboard
>shortcut alternatives for both platforms.

Reviews of PS7 version:



Since posting that, I have purchased the version 7 book and am rereading
it. It is truly an excellent book - the enclosed CD has some fantastic
tutorials on it in the form of quicktime movies illustrating a whole load
of Photoshop work, with a voice track by the author.

One thing I had neglected is the File Browser - I had no idea how good it
was, and how much better than Canon's Image Browser (which I had been
using - no longer!)...



Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See

[Eactivist]

JCO wrote:

>dont forget that the 1.5X "cropping factor" just magnifies
the abberations over what you would see with the same
resolution sensor "seeing" the whole lens circle. i.e.
you are "zooming in" on the flaws with a APS sensor

Good point. And the best argument for a full framed sensor.

Not holding my breath for that, though. ;-)

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: Ebay

[bucky]

So sensitive when YOU are the one under the microscope!  I note you did not 
show the same restraint with the other poster, who posted a warning from which 
many people on this list could be expected to benefit.  

Being unable to pay the seller is completely different from simply backing out 
because you got "bad vibes," which is what you originally wrote in your little 
lecture.  If you choose to be indignant because you misstated yourself, well, I 
guess that's your choice.  Now think, think hard, I know it will be difficult 
for you to understand; people can only respond to what you post. 

BTW, even though the eBay feedback rant was somewhat of a non sequitur, 
feedback on eBay *does* list whether the member was the seller or buyer in the 
transaction in question. 

Quoting graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


> Now think, think hard, I know it will be difficult for you to understand; if
> I 
> could not communicate with with a live person so they could get their money,
> 
> what chance of fixing any problems do you think I would have had. 
> Since I have had dealings with several people on this list I do not think
> there 
> is any question of my honesty here.
> 
> 
> 
> Bucky wrote:
> 
> > He is more likely to discount your opinion on the basis of the (first)
> > comment quoted below.
> > 
> > "Backing out," a.k.a. 'welshing,' has wider implications than simply
> > accepting negative feedback; it undermines the entire system by which that
> > forum is able to go on working. "Bad vibes" are reliably and honorably
> cured
> > by using an escrow service.
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: October 26, 2003 16:51
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Ebay
> > [snip]
> > Once I got such bad vibes I decided to not go through with the deal and
> > accept
> > the negative feedback myself.
> > [snip]
> > Of course since I have sold a half dozen items on Ebay I see you you have
> > already discounted my opinion. Oh well...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> graywolf
> http://graywolfphoto.com
> 
> "You might as well accept people as they are,
> you are not going to be able to change them anyway."
> 
> 




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Re: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See

[Eactivist]

>On page 11 we can see that there is a feature called "high speed sweep
for preventing smear" that is used when taking full resolution
pictures.  Page 9 mentions that to get the low smear properties that
you need to close the cameras mechanical shutter, perform a vertical
register sweep, then open it again for the final exposure.  If I
understand this all correctly on a camera with live preview the
following has to happen when you take a picture (assuming exposure and
AF lock):

* close the shutter
* clear the ccd
* open the shutter and turn on the ccd at the same time
* take the exposure
* close the shutter and turn off the CCD
* read out the image

>On a SLR the first two steps aren't necessary.

>alex

Hmmm, so essentially for DSLR preview you would taking a picture before you 
take a picture. Yes, it seems rather redundant. Okay, review is good enough.

Thanks, Doe aka Marnie  I bet someday the technology gets fast enough for it, 
though. But that would probably be years down the road.

Re: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See

[Eactivist]

>The alternative is to go with interchangable lens rangfinder designs, which
would be the digital equivalent of the Leica M cameras.
Unfortunately, rangefinder designs are somewhat limited in what focal
lengths are usable becuase of limitations in viewfinders.
A zoom rangefinder is certainly possible, they are done all the time, but
focal lengths are still limited to around 200mm (on the 35mm format) before
there are too many optical deficiencies introduced, and the rangefinder
optic becomes too cumbersome.
Also, with this sort of design, you are looking at entirely new lenses that
will transmit focal length information to the camera so that it can adjust
the rangefinder focal length to match.

>All in all, it seems to me that the SLR concept is one of those things that
ain't broke, so isn't really worth fixing.

>William Robb

Aha. Thanks. Clarifies things.

Marnie aka Doe 

RE: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See

[J. C. O'Connell]

dont forget that the 1.5X "cropping factor" just magnifies
the abberations over what you would see with the same
resolution sensor "seeing" the whole lens circle. i.e.
you are "zooming in" on the flaws with a APS sensor


   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com

Re: my ist-D samples

[Christian]

- Original Message - 
From: "Butch Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:17 PM
Subject: RE: my ist-D samples


> Nice images, especially the water lilies.

Thanks!

> I too noticed the highlights on
> the rear Lillie and thought they looked like bright ring bokeh. The
moorhen
> looked a bit overexposed to me.

looking at the white feathers near the tail, yes it does look a little
overexposed.  But at the same time I think the overall bird looks right,
especially the red legs and beak.

> Did you do any post image processing as all
> of the images look like they could use a touch of sharpening.

No post-processing was done except using the Pentax Photo Lab to correct
white-balance.
They were all hand-held (except the lilies) so I'm sure there is some camera
shake.  Long lens, slow speeds...  Although  I do think the Mara,
Moorhen and lilies are exceptionally sharp.  Maybe it's my eyes..

Thanks for commenting!

Christian

Re: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See

[Robert Gonzalez]

Of course its a lens aberration.  But I think she thought that it could 
be corrected post capture.  And what I replied was that I didn't think 
that the software could do something like this.  Although if you knew 
exactly the what the aberrations were for this particular lens sample, 
you might be able to do something.  Hopefully the visibility of these 
types of aberrations in digital will force manufacturers to produce 
better lenses. :)

How bad have these aberrations shown up on your starkist?

William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Gonzalez"
Subject: Re: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See




2. Better software for chromatic aberrations This is where I am really
ignorant. But it seems to me that good interpolation (?) software might

distribute

the results of chromatic aberration better, so that digital apes film

more. I

mean, people are not going to be happy when they discover that one half

of

their lenses do not work that well with a DSLR. I wouldn't be happy

shopping

around for older lenses, having to find out which one had bad effects on

a DSLR.

Interesting concept, although it would probably be relatively difficult
to determine what is a chromatic aberration versus true adjacent color
deltas.  If you did a blind blend while preserving luminosity, it would
eliminate some of it, at the cost of general color "softness" (I'm not
sure what you call this).


I had always though that chromatic aberation was a lens deficiency.
Blaming a lens problem on digital capture seems like shooting the messenger.
The answer is lenses that are better corrected for chromatic aberation,
though this may mean compromising some other lens defect.
William Robb

Re: OT: Sigma SD10, preview and samples

[Alin Flaider]

  Initially Foveon specified 3.3 MPix in the marketing papers. Later,
  although it was obvious it delivered results at least as good as
  6 MPix mosaic sensors, it was still classified among 3 MPix cameras
  in commercial catalogues, tutorials, even reviews.
  So it's the market and it's MPix blinding criteria that drove Foveon
  to count photosites - just like the others do.

  Servus, Alin

Mike wrote:

MI> 10.2 MPixels...
MI> i am wondering how long before their marketoids start
MI> calling it 40.8 MPixels (after all, one *could* 
MI> interpolate around the pixels oh wait, why stop at
MI> 40.8? let's call it 160!)

MI> sheesh...

MI> mishka

Re: Somehow... I'm drowning in pentax again...

[Ryan Lee]

Hmm.. I suppose everyone has their own niche. Multiple bodies I get.. but
with multiple same-focal length lenses? Doesn't that kinda slap the whole
interchangeable lens concept around a bit? Unless you're *always* shooting
multiple camera setups.. :)

Rgds,
Ryan


From: "Trevor Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> G'day Paul.
> 1 is fitted with 28-200 & has B&W print film.
> 1 is fitted with 28-200 & has colour print film.
> 1 is fitted with 100-300 & has colour print film.
> 1 is fitted with 100-300 & 2X convertor & has colour print film.
> The MZ-60 has a 28-300 and colour print film.
> The SF10 with Pentax 28-80 is on loan to my mate's daughter for school
> work.
> The SFX with 28-200 is my car camera ( ya never know when ya will need
> it)
> The SFXn with 28-105 is a backup to the MZ-60.
> Hooroo.
> Regards, Trevor
> OZ
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, 27 October 2003 5:35 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Somehow... I'm drowning in pentax again...
>
>
> What do you actualy do with 4 x MZ-50s?
>
>
>
>

OT: Sigma SD10, preview and samples

["Mike Ignatiev"]

10.2 MPixels...
i am wondering how long before their marketoids start
calling it 40.8 MPixels (after all, one *could* 
interpolate around the pixels oh wait, why stop at
40.8? let's call it 160!)

sheesh...

mishka

SharpControl

[Dr E D F Williams]

Somebody posted something about this program. I downloaded 
it this morning and its great and very easy to use ... so far.

Don
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Re: Virus?

[Dr E D F Williams]

I've looked at the .pif file that was attached to the message I got. Its an
encrypted program that "Will not run under DOS" there are no messages or
signatures the only recognisable text is ANAL which is indicative of the
kind of thing it is I guess. I've erased it now.

Don
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- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Jordan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: Virus?


> I've also just received a message apparently from Rob Brigham.
>
>
> This had a .scr attachment and interestingly enough went to an e-mail
> address I had stopped using for PDML messages a couple of months ago.
>
> If you've sent out a neat screen saver Rob, sorry, but I suspect it's
really
> a virus.
>
> Peter
> - Original Message -
> From: "mike.wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:25 AM
> Subject: OT: Virus?
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I got a message from  that had a .pif file
> > attached.
> >
> > The address is fairly obviously spoof but it might be worth folks
> > checking their machines just in case.
> >
> > mike
> >
>

Re: Virus?

[Dr E D F Williams]

I've looked at the .pif file that was attached to the message I got. Its an
encrypted program that "Will not run under DOS" there are no messages or
signatures the only recognisable text is ANAL which is indicative of the
kind of thing it is I guess. I've erased it now.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Jordan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: Virus?


> I've also just received a message apparently from Rob Brigham.
>
>
> This had a .scr attachment and interestingly enough went to an e-mail
> address I had stopped using for PDML messages a couple of months ago.
>
> If you've sent out a neat screen saver Rob, sorry, but I suspect it's
really
> a virus.
>
> Peter
> - Original Message -
> From: "mike.wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:25 AM
> Subject: OT: Virus?
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I got a message from  that had a .pif file
> > attached.
> >
> > The address is fairly obviously spoof but it might be worth folks
> > checking their machines just in case.
> >
> > mike
> >
>

RE: Somehow... I'm drowning in pentax again...

[Trevor Bailey]

G'day Paul.
1 is fitted with 28-200 & has B&W print film.
1 is fitted with 28-200 & has colour print film.
1 is fitted with 100-300 & has colour print film.
1 is fitted with 100-300 & 2X convertor & has colour print film.
The MZ-60 has a 28-300 and colour print film.
The SF10 with Pentax 28-80 is on loan to my mate's daughter for school
work.
The SFX with 28-200 is my car camera ( ya never know when ya will need
it)
The SFXn with 28-105 is a backup to the MZ-60.
Hooroo.
Regards, Trevor
OZ


-Original Message-
From: Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 27 October 2003 5:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Somehow... I'm drowning in pentax again...


What do you actualy do with 4 x MZ-50s?

Re: On how *istD handles.

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

on 27.10.03 10:35, Dr E D F Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I keep my camera under my clothing when its very cold and pull it out only
> to take a picture. The metal cameras cool fast and I try to get things done
> quickly. However, last winter I was out taking pictures of snow covered
> trees in -30C for up to half an hour at a time. The camera worked well -- a
> plastic P30T with a Sigma 400 EX on a tripod. I could use it with my 'inner'
> gloves on -- inside my big gloves I wear thinner ones.
Interesting. DSLRs should be quite useable in cold weather. Cooled CCD
generates less noise, and you can do youself a kind of battery pack, that
you can keep all the time close to your body, while connecting it to camera
via cable to DC input socket.

-- 
Best Regards
Sylwek

Re: Somehow... I'm drowning in pentax again...

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Paul wrote:

> What do you actualy do with 4 x MZ-50s?

And why the MZ-60 after it/them?

Kostas (also with an MZ-50 and some others, but not two same ones :-)

RE: OT: Sigma SD10, preview and samples

[Rob Brigham]

Full review on imaging resource:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/SSD10/SD10A.HTM

> -Original Message-
> From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 27 October 2003 09:35
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: OT: Sigma SD10, preview and samples
> 
> 
> Here are some SD10 samples I think are pretty good.
> 
> http://www.pbase.com/rickdecker
> 
> Alan Chan
> http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
> 
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> 
> 

FS: Pentax SMC lenses, etc.

[Tonghang Zhou]

SMC-M 28/3.5

This is regarded as one of the best pentax lenses, possibly
the best 28mm.  Condition is excellent, flawless in every way.
Perfect class, no dust inside either.  Comes with both caps
and Hoya UV filter.

SMC 50/1.4 (52mm filter ring)

This is the K version, not the M version.  So it has a larger
filter ring.  Bigger glass.  Very sharp.  Condition is similarly
excellent, perfect glass no dust.  Comes with both caps and a
coated sky filter (Vermer.)

SMC-A 70-210/4.0

This is the best long zoom by Pentax I believe.  One touch
design. Light weight. Good contrast. Has one light mark
("cleaning mark", as they say) on front element. You hardly
see. Shouldn't be problem (hasn't been for me.)  Otherwise
similarly excellent, no dust.  Comes with both caps, and
sky filter (of some make.)

Price is $75 for each.  Make offer if this is too high.
Shipping is $6 to US.  Other place at cost.

Also, my hardly used ME-Super developed some oil on the
shutter and now needs CLA (what a shame!)  Any one can
use it for $25?  I also have a ZX-M with battery grip
(for using 4-AA batteries) which is working fine but
has given me an overlapping frame once a few rolls,
how about $40?

BTW, I'm not giving up on Pentax, just lightening up.
Thanks for looking.

Tonghang.

RE: Virus?

[Rob Brigham]

Nope - didn't send nothing here.

Received a message with an attachment which got quarantined here from
Brendan "RE: Toronto PDML people..." though.

Looks like somebody has some thing nasty going on...

> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 27 October 2003 08:52
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Virus?
> 
> 
> I've also just received a message apparently from Rob Brigham.
> 
> 
> This had a .scr attachment and interestingly enough went to 
> an e-mail address I had stopped using for PDML messages a 
> couple of months ago.
> 
> If you've sent out a neat screen saver Rob, sorry, but I 
> suspect it's really a virus.
> 
> Peter
> - Original Message -
> From: "mike.wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:25 AM
> Subject: OT: Virus?
> 
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I got a message from  that had a 
> .pif file 
> > attached.
> >
> > The address is fairly obviously spoof but it might be worth folks 
> > checking their machines just in case.
> >
> > mike
> >
> 
> 

Re: On how *istD handles.

[Dr E D F Williams]

I keep my camera under my clothing when its very cold and pull it out only
to take a picture. The metal cameras cool fast and I try to get things done
quickly. However, last winter I was out taking pictures of snow covered
trees in -30C for up to half an hour at a time. The camera worked well -- a
plastic P30T with a Sigma 400 EX on a tripod. I could use it with my 'inner'
gloves on -- inside my big gloves I wear thinner ones.

Don
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- Original Message - 
From: "Alin Flaider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Dr E D F Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: On how *istD handles.


> Don wrote:
>
> DEDFW> Well up here we have -35C with wind. What about that?
>
>   I wonder what modern Pentax can be operated (assuming it's
>   functional) at -50 real feeling !?
>
>   I managed to use mine, for short periods of time, at -20C, -30C rf.
>   But I suspect it's as far as it goes.
>
>   Servus,  Alin
>
>

Re: OT: Sigma SD10, preview and samples

[Alan Chan]

Here are some SD10 samples I think are pretty good.

http://www.pbase.com/rickdecker

Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
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Re: On how *istD handles.

[Alin Flaider]

Don wrote:

DEDFW> Well up here we have -35C with wind. What about that?

  I wonder what modern Pentax can be operated (assuming it's
  functional) at -50 real feeling !?

  I managed to use mine, for short periods of time, at -20C, -30C rf.
  But I suspect it's as far as it goes. 
 
  Servus,  Alin

Re: OT: Sigma SD10, preview and samples

[Brendan]

Sigmas very own mount, it is similar to a K mount ( at
least the rear caps fit both ) but thats just the
flange part.

 --- Dr E D F Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: > What is the Sigma SA mount ... please
someone?
> 
> Don
> ___
> Dr E D F Williams
> http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
> Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
> See New Pages "The Cement Company from HELL!"
> Updated: August 15, 2003
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Alin Flaider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:22 AM
> Subject: Re: OT: Sigma SD10, preview and samples
> 
> 
> > 
> >   Basically it's the same 3.3 MPixel with improved
> sensitivity and
> >   dynamic range. And they "reverted" to
> microlenses in order to
> >   achieve it. Maybe Kodak will do the same with
> their 14MP CMOS and
> >   its catastrophic noise above 400 ASA. Too bad, I
> was hoping the
> >   industry managed to overcome microlenses. Full
> frame getting
> >   mainstream is a couple of years further if ever.
> :o(
> > 
> >   Servus,  Alin
> > 
> > Rob wrote:
> > 
> > RS>
>
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0310/03102704sigmasd10.asp
> > 
> > 
>  

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Sigma lenses for APS sized sensors

[Alin Flaider]

  They seem to imply it'll be available in other mounts as well.
  A 18-50mm of just 245g could be of interest for d*isters.

  It will be interesting to see how the reduced image circle lenses
  will appear in the so called sports finder of the Sigma digital
  slrs, as the viewfinder shows the entire image frame. Probably with
  heavy vignetting and blurred corners, but I'm sure Sigma will
  promote this as a feature. :oT

  http://www.dpreview.com/news/0310/03102703sigmadclenses.asp

  On another note, it's sad to see the APS trend taking over. I'm
  keen to see if Pentax releases any new lenses, be it FAJ, in full
  frame format.

  Servus,  Alin

Re: What do the photo labs print with?

[David Mann]

graywolf wrote:

> Actually, I think, most modern commercial labs use some variation
> of laser printing (and not a very high res one, either) on photographic
> paper these days (Fuji Frontier, etc).

The lab I use has a pair of Agfa D-Labs (a -2 and a -3).  They print at 
400ppi continuous tone.  Note that being a continuous-tone process you 
can't directly compare it with inkjet resolutions (ppi vs dpi and all 
that sort of thing).

The built-in film scanner in these machines is only 2k x 3k pixels.  The 
emphasis of these machines is speed rather than fine-art quality.  I have 
submitted my own files before and the results were excellent.  But the 
18x12" prints I had done from 6x7 were less than ideal (luckily these 
were freebies).

One day I'd like to have a 6x7 slide drum scanned, then have a giclee 
print made.  I would love to see what that process is capable of.

Cheers,

- Dave

http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

Re: Virus?

[Peter Jordan]

I've also just received a message apparently from Rob Brigham.


This had a .scr attachment and interestingly enough went to an e-mail
address I had stopped using for PDML messages a couple of months ago.

If you've sent out a neat screen saver Rob, sorry, but I suspect it's really
a virus.

Peter
- Original Message -
From: "mike.wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:25 AM
Subject: OT: Virus?


> Hi,
>
> I got a message from  that had a .pif file
> attached.
>
> The address is fairly obviously spoof but it might be worth folks
> checking their machines just in case.
>
> mike
>

Re: On how *istD handles.

[Dr E D F Williams]

Well up here we have -35C with wind. What about that?

Don
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- Original Message - 
From: "Sylwester Pietrzyk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: On how *istD handles.


> on 25.10.03 22:32, Jostein at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > The *istD is very similar to all other DSLRs I have seen in that it does
not
> > handle well with gloves on. The buttons and wheels are simply too small
to
> > be felt and properly pushed with gloves on. IOW, it's a challenge to use
it
> > properly outdoors in 6 months out of 12 here in Norway. Small hopes for
a
> > fix on that one, though...
> Well, I won't agree with you Jostein. At about -1 celsus degrees and cold
> wind in Poland, I managed to handle *istD with gloves quite comfortably,
> except for AE-L and exposure compensation buttons. They were simply too
> small and difficult to handle through gloves. Otherwise other controls
were
> easy to operate in these less than optimal conditions ;-) BTW, I have
quite
> large hands, at least they shouldn't be small if I'm 185cm tall ;-)
>
> -- 
> Best Regards
> Sylwek
>
>

Re: On how *istD handles.

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

on 25.10.03 22:32, Jostein at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The *istD is very similar to all other DSLRs I have seen in that it does not
> handle well with gloves on. The buttons and wheels are simply too small to
> be felt and properly pushed with gloves on. IOW, it's a challenge to use it
> properly outdoors in 6 months out of 12 here in Norway. Small hopes for a
> fix on that one, though...
Well, I won't agree with you Jostein. At about -1 celsus degrees and cold
wind in Poland, I managed to handle *istD with gloves quite comfortably,
except for AE-L and exposure compensation buttons. They were simply too
small and difficult to handle through gloves. Otherwise other controls were
easy to operate in these less than optimal conditions ;-) BTW, I have quite
large hands, at least they shouldn't be small if I'm 185cm tall ;-)

-- 
Best Regards
Sylwek

Re: OT: Sigma SD10, preview and samples

[Dr E D F Williams]

What is the Sigma SA mount ... please someone?

Don
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Updated: August 15, 2003


- Original Message - 
From: "Alin Flaider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Sigma SD10, preview and samples


> 
>   Basically it's the same 3.3 MPixel with improved sensitivity and
>   dynamic range. And they "reverted" to microlenses in order to
>   achieve it. Maybe Kodak will do the same with their 14MP CMOS and
>   its catastrophic noise above 400 ASA. Too bad, I was hoping the
>   industry managed to overcome microlenses. Full frame getting
>   mainstream is a couple of years further if ever. :o(
> 
>   Servus,  Alin
> 
> Rob wrote:
> 
> RS> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0310/03102704sigmasd10.asp
> 
> 

Re: OT: Sigma SD10, preview and samples

[Alin Flaider]

  Basically it's the same 3.3 MPixel with improved sensitivity and
  dynamic range. And they "reverted" to microlenses in order to
  achieve it. Maybe Kodak will do the same with their 14MP CMOS and
  its catastrophic noise above 400 ASA. Too bad, I was hoping the
  industry managed to overcome microlenses. Full frame getting
  mainstream is a couple of years further if ever. :o(

  Servus,  Alin

Rob wrote:

RS> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0310/03102704sigmasd10.asp

OT: Virus?

[mike.wilson]

Hi,

I got a message from  that had a .pif file
attached.

The address is fairly obviously spoof but it might be worth folks
checking their machines just in case.

mike

my ist-D samples

[Christian Skofteland]

Five images can bee seen here:

http://home.mindspring.com/~skofteland/id10.html

The four animals were shot at the Melbourne Zoo (which may explain the funky
backgrounds and bokeh) and the water lilies were shot in my in-laws' garden
pond.  There are some odd out-of-focus highlights on the rear lily but I
think it's just some water drops.

all were shot raw and converted to jpg via Pentax Photo lab.  I had to
re-size them to fit on my free webspace but I will one-day fix my real
website and put full-sized jpgs up.

I'm really happy with this camera!

comments welcomed PLEASE!

Christian Skofteland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

OT: Sigma SD10, preview and samples

[Rob Studdert]

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0310/03102704sigmasd10.asp

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Screw Mount Lenses

[MyHosting]

I've been trying to collect some SMC Takumar screwmount lenses and
the ones I 
have used thus far are very good and feel wonderful in use. 
Tactile 
photography...

Bob S.

Which ones have you got? I have a Spotmatic from 30 odd years ago (I
still use it extensively especially for travelling; I'm just back from
Kyoto) which came with the 55mm f1.8 as standard, and I also bought a Hanimex 135mm
f2.8. Hanimex lenses are usually not highly thought of, but I thinsk
thsi one was made by Vivitar and is quite good quality. Since then
I've got the 85mm f1.9, and the 50mm f1.4.

80% of my photography (outdoor 'nature' and cities) is shot with short
telephoto, the rest with standard, but I do also quite like 135mm.

I have the chance to buy a Super-Tak 135mm f2.8 (same specs as the
Hanimex) and wonder if anyone knows the lens and could give advice?

Kind regards

  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Expensive Time-Sink

[Paul Ewins]

>I've got four film holders containing eight sheets of HP5+,
and need to come up with a way to pay for developing.  Wh!

-- Glenn

I've been using a Yankee tank with FP4/HP5 in ID11 quite successfully.
It's a bit slow to fill with chemicals but B&W isn't as time critical as
colour. 
It will do twelve sheets at a time so you could process everything in
one hit.
With a bit of luck you could find one secondhand, otherwise the modern
equivalent costs about the same as two packets of film from Calumet or
B&H.

Paul Ewins
Melbourne, Australia 

Re: A viral attachment?

[Christian Skofteland]

I got it too along with this one:

"- Original Message - 
From: "Rob Brigham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:18 PM
Subject: RE: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

Yeah, whenever I go into the big photo stores in my town (Jessops or
LCE) they wonder at my MZ-S and complain that they never get to see them
because all deliveries are taken up by pre-orders from the central mail
order system.  They never get enough to go as far as sending them out to
the stores.

This is a shame, because it would sell even better if people could se"

With this attachment: 031013-2141.cl5.scr

Christian Skofteland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Original Message - 
From: "Dr E D F Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:56 AM
Subject: A viral attachment?


> This message arrived in my inbox a few minutes ago:
>
> -
>
> Stupid question.  I've read that an M lens on the *ist will only meter
> wide open. If the camera can't talk to the lens, how does it know what
> wide open is?  and if its reading the light coming through the lens, why
> won't stopping down affect metering?  Probably an obvious answer, but I
> can't see it.
>
>
> Steven Desjardins
> Department of Chemistry
> Washington and Lee University
> Lexington, VA 24450
> (540) 458-8873
> FAX: (540) 458-8878
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> 
>
> There was an attachment with a .pif extension which I will examine in a
few
> minutes. I may just delete it ... in case I make a dizzy mistake.
>
> Don
> ___
> Dr E D F Williams
> http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
> Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
> See New Pages "The Cement Company from HELL!"
> Updated: August 15, 2003
>
>
>

A viral attachment?

[Dr E D F Williams]

This message arrived in my inbox a few minutes ago:

-

Stupid question.  I've read that an M lens on the *ist will only meter
wide open. If the camera can't talk to the lens, how does it know what
wide open is?  and if its reading the light coming through the lens, why
won't stopping down affect metering?  Probably an obvious answer, but I
can't see it.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



There was an attachment with a .pif extension which I will examine in a few
minutes. I may just delete it ... in case I make a dizzy mistake.

Don
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Updated: August 15, 2003