Re: Asahiflex Takumar ?

[Chris Brogden]

It's a section of a lens containing some elements, not an entire lens.

chris



On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, [ISO-8859-1] Michel Carrère-Gée wrote:

> Strange Takumar on eBay; the guy say Asahiflex, but no focus ring, no
> aperture ring.
> ??
> http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2981232008&category=11720
>
> Michel
>

Asahiflex Takumar ?

[Michel Carrère-Gée]

Strange Takumar on eBay; the guy say Asahiflex, but no focus ring, no 
aperture ring.
??
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2981232008&category=11720

Michel

Re: I need a few good men and a woman or two

[Shel Belinkoff]

Actually, Frank, I thought of you as one of the thinner guys.  I've seen a couple of 
pics of you, and, if I recall your appearance
correctly, you'd fit right in.  I see you in a brown, double-breasted suit with an 
ersatz Countess Mara tie.

frank theriault wrote:

> Even though I'm not in the Bay area, I was going to jump at the chance to
> participate.
>
> Then, I read that he's looking for men who look like they're "from" the late
> 40's and early 50's.  Not "in their" late 40's...

Re: I need a few good men and a woman or two

[Shel Belinkoff]

One that fits poorly would be ideal, especially just a ~little~ big ... I'm not 
looking for fashion statements, but, rather, Average
Joe's doing and average clerical job in a very specific environment.

BTW, I don't own a suit, either ...

shel ... photographe au chômage

frank theriault wrote:

> And besides, I no longer own a suit (that fits).

Re: AF 280 mod/ LX fill flash

[Chris Brogden]

Why not?  I understand that you lose infinity focus when using a P/K lens
on an M42 body, as the adapter acts as a mini extension tube.  As a P/K
lens will not fit inside the LTM, why would this be different?

chris


On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, graywolf wrote:

> No, that would not be a problem.
>
> --
>
> Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
> > Might be a bit of a problem since the k-mount is quite a bit wider than the LTM.
> >
> > graywolf wrote:
> >
> >
> >>No reason you can't machine the proper helical and cam on the adapter. Would
> >>just require that the K-mount lens be set to infinity when used on the RF camera.
> >>
> >>--
> >>
> >>Cotty wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>On 19/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> I'd really like a pentax K to Leica screw 39 adapter so I could use a
> couple of my M/K lenses on my V*er Bessas, possible do you think?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Er, oh yes. Focussing could be a problem.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Cheers,
> >>>  Cotty
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
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> >>http://graywolfphoto.com
> >>
> >>"You might as well accept people as they are,
> >>you are not going to be able to change them anyway."
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> graywolf
> http://graywolfphoto.com
>
> "You might as well accept people as they are,
> you are not going to be able to change them anyway."
>
>

Beware the Bagle worm

[mapson]

Read all about it:
http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,8431017%255E15306,00.html


   (*)o(*) 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: I need a few good men and a woman or two

[frank theriault]

And besides, I no longer own a suit (that fits).

-frank

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I need a few good men and a woman or two
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:13:48 -0500
Even though I'm not in the Bay area, I was going to jump at the chance to 
participate.

Then, I read that he's looking for men who look like they're "from" the 
late 40's and early 50's.  Not "in their" late 40's...

Oh well.

-frank

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I need a few good men and a woman or two
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:37:35 -0500
Want to borrow my Speed Graphic to shoot it with? 

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

If anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area would like to
participate in a photo experiment, pleas contact me off list
with the subject A Few Good Men and Women.
I need five people total who can dress and look like they're
from the late forties or early fifties.  Men need to have a
grey, brown, or blue suit from that era, women a dark
colored dress.  Balding or heavy set men are welcome, and in
fact preferred.  A very thin man would be nice to include in
the photo.  The women should be about average build, on the
thin side would be OK.
thanks for looking

shel ... photographe au chômage


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Re: I need a few good men and a woman or two

[frank theriault]

Even though I'm not in the Bay area, I was going to jump at the chance to 
participate.

Then, I read that he's looking for men who look like they're "from" the late 
40's and early 50's.  Not "in their" late 40's...

Oh well.

-frank

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I need a few good men and a woman or two
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:37:35 -0500
Want to borrow my Speed Graphic to shoot it with? 

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

If anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area would like to
participate in a photo experiment, pleas contact me off list
with the subject A Few Good Men and Women.
I need five people total who can dress and look like they're
from the late forties or early fifties.  Men need to have a
grey, brown, or blue suit from that era, women a dark
colored dress.  Balding or heavy set men are welcome, and in
fact preferred.  A very thin man would be nice to include in
the photo.  The women should be about average build, on the
thin side would be OK.
thanks for looking

shel ... photographe au chômage


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Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news

[Butch Black]

William Robb wrote:
  >
>>From what I have seen so far, the learning curve is to find new and more
> inventive ways to blame the bad results on the photo lab.


 I had one the other day. College age woman, was unhappy with her badly
underexposed pictures from her single use camera. When I showed her the
negatives and suggested that she was out of range of her flash she responded
"I don't think so" with an attitude. I had to bite my tongue to not strongly
suggest that she look at the instructions printed on every single use camera
which lists the flash range  as 4-12 ft or 4-15 ft (both somewhat optimistic
at the long end). I work in a moderately wealthy community and the name of
the game here seems to be I deserve something for nothing and if I complain
enough I'll get it. It diminishes my respect for the human race.

Butch

Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.

Hermann Hesse (Demian)

Suggestion

[Butch Black]

Previously written:


> I hope you will still talk to us little people at GFMtn :-)
>
> I have been tempted to compile a portfolio of shots that I truly enjoy of
> mine.  You and other stories like it may cause me to start it.  Not that I
> would be showing it off, more for friends who do ask.

I think it would be a great idea if all PDMLers going to GFM would put
together a modest portfolio of favorite shots. Think of the fun around PDML
central.

Really sorry I'm missing this one
Butch

Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news

[Herb Chong]

pay for in film wasted too.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news


> At the local Wal-Mart they hand you the prints and let you go through them
and
> toss out the ones you don't want. Then they substract them from the price.
So
> you do not need to pay for bad prints. I see many people just tossing
aside the
> ones they don't like. While I ,maybe being stupid, just ask for a credit
for the
> blanks the idiots insisted on printing. (I have long since stopped
worrying
> about finishing a roll, when I have shot the shots I want I take the roll
in and
> have it processed at a buck a roll even I can afford to waste a few
frames.)

Re: AF 280 mod/ LX fill flash

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On 19/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
>
>>I'd really like a pentax K to Leica screw 39 adapter so I could use a
>>couple of my M/K lenses on my V*er Bessas, possible do you think?
>
>Er, oh yes. Focussing could be a problem.

Wide angle lens.
Focusing scale on lens barrel.
Small aperture.
Zone focusing.

No problem ;-)

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: I need a few good men and a woman or two

[graywolf]

Want to borrow my Speed Graphic to shoot it with? 

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

If anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area would like to
participate in a photo experiment, pleas contact me off list
with the subject A Few Good Men and Women.
I need five people total who can dress and look like they're
from the late forties or early fifties.  Men need to have a
grey, brown, or blue suit from that era, women a dark
colored dress.  Balding or heavy set men are welcome, and in
fact preferred.  A very thin man would be nice to include in
the photo.  The women should be about average build, on the
thin side would be OK.
thanks for looking

shel ... photographe au chômage


--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS"

[Mark Roberts]

Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Not being a PC person, I visited Google.
>They said, in defining a ".pif" file:
>
>   Short for Program InFormation file, a type of file that
>   holds information about how Windows should run a
>   non-Windows application. For example, a PIF file can
>   contain instructions for executing a DOS application in
>   the Windows environment. These instructions can
>   include the amount of memory to use, the path to the
>   executable file, and what type of window to use. PIF
>   files have a .pif extension . 

Just remember that Windows treats a PIF as an executable. The same is
true of BAT and SCR files.

...unless you set up your PC to use "Open in Text Editor" as the default
action for these file types (which I do to every PC I get my hands on).

-- 
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Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Slide duping with the ist D. was:Re: PUG Deadline Approaching

[Herb Chong]

takes 4 or 5 times as long to scan instead and is just as high resolution as
a Kodak PhotoCD.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:42 PM
Subject: SV: Slide duping with the ist D. was:Re: PUG Deadline Approaching


> Why do you wanna do slide dupping. Isn't far easier to scan the slides?
And
> get better resolution as well.

Re: VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS"

[mapson]

Since this is a Windows "how to work" file, why is it necessarily
associated with virii?
I know I'm missing something here, but it has always seemed to me that a
.pif file, by itself, is not an indicator of the presence of a virus.
Are .pif files carriers of viruses? What?
keith
Not being a virologist myself, I am guessing that the pif file may tell 
windows something that it should not. If it executes a procedure that you 
don't want it acts as a virus.

PIF does not always mean VIRUS. Just as EXE does not always mean trouble. 
BUT IT MAY. I know that a few of the last attempts to penetrate were done 
by a PIF file.

While you can expect your friends to send you *.doc, *.jpg or *.mp3 files, 
it is less likely they will suddenly, unannounced send you a PIF file, 
hence suspicion!

Some info on one of them (the first one):
http://www.viruslibrary.com/virusinfo/I-Worm.PIF.Fable.htm


   (*)o(*) 
Robert
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news

[Herb Chong]

a friend of mine received a digital camera for Christmas after complaining
for almost a year that her film camera wasn't working the way it should.
she's about 65, not very familiar with computers, but struggles with them
for doing her accounting. she thinks digital cameras are a godsend. she can
look at the picture she took and see immediately when it is bad and take
another one. she also doesn't have to print the ones that are bad. once she
has decided which ones she wants to keep, she knows she can take the memory
card to Walmart and get them printed for 29 cents each. she only has to
print (and thus pay for) the ones that are good. that is the only point that
matters to her and it is important enough that she is willing to spend time
trying to figure out how to use her computer to copy the images and all
sorts of complicated things. it was also enough to go out and buy another
memory card and a second set of batteries so that she will be prepared.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news


> So of the five points raised I'm in total agreement with three,
> general agreement with a fourth, and even agree with the thrust
> of the other one (even though I find fault with the argument).

RE: Unusual subjects to photograph.

[Nick Clark]

Hi Malcolm 
The King and Tinker is actually in Whitewebbs Lane. It's at the opposite end of the 
golf course to the Rose and Crown, to the right of Whitewebbs House, which is now a 
restaurant. If you come out of the drive to Whitewebbs House, turn right, it's in the 
dip in the road. 
There's also the Plough, the Pied Bull, and the Fallow Buck locally, all of which can 
make for a good pub crawl with a countryside ramble in between.

Nick.

-Original Message-
From: "Malcolm Smith"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 18/01/04 22:28:06
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Unusual subjects to photograph.

Nick Clark wrote:

> A pub I frequent is the King and Tinker in Enfield which 
> dates from around 1050 and is still in use. Quite picturesque 
> - I'll try to post a picture sometime.

Whereabouts in Enfield, Nick?

My knowledge of the other side of the reservoirs is limited to Whitewebbs
golf course (20 years ago though) and supermarkets off Southbury Road, east
of the A10. 

The only pub I used to go to (Saturday lunch), was 'The Moletrap' in
Stapleford Tawney (which is in the middle of nowhere).

Malcolm   

Re: VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS"

[Keith Whaley]

Not being a PC person, I visited Google.
They said, in defining a ".pif" file:

Short for Program InFormation file, a type of file that
holds information about how Windows should run a
non-Windows application. For example, a PIF file can
contain instructions for executing a DOS application in
the Windows environment. These instructions can
include the amount of memory to use, the path to the
executable file, and what type of window to use. PIF
files have a .pif extension . 

mapson wrote:
> 
> >Oh my GOD Robert, I just opened a PIF file - and guess what happened ?!?!?
> >
> >
> >Cheers,
> >   Cotty
> 
> I don't know :o)
> 
> You won a million dollars?
> 
> I do not claim that you can avoid ALL viruses but often they follow a
> pattern. PIFs are good give-away it might be a virus. 

Since this is a Windows "how to work" file, why is it necessarily
associated with virii?
I know I'm missing something here, but it has always seemed to me that a
.pif file, by itself, is not an indicator of the presence of a virus.
Are .pif files carriers of viruses? What?

keith

> Another one is a
> general reference to something that supposedly happened recently. "thanks
> for lunch the other day, now it's my turn", "this is the info you asked
> for", "XYZ send hello" etc.
> 
> I got the Snow White one a couple of times. They tell you the beginning of
> the story and then ask you to click on a link to see the rest (sexual
> references all over).
> 
> Last week I got a prompt for Windows update. All killed as soon as they
> emerged ;-)
> 
> (*)o(*) 
> Robert
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: AF 280 mod/ LX fill flash

[alex wetmore]

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, Cotty wrote:
> On 19/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
> >I'd really like a pentax K to Leica screw 39 adapter so I could use a
> >couple of my M/K lenses on my V*er Bessas, possible do you think?
>
> Entirely possible with a home-brew non-optical adapter. The distance
> between the flange of a lens (the part that rests against the camera body
> when it is on the camera) and the film plane is known as the 'register'.
> On K mount, that distance is 45.46mm. On Leica screw it is 28.8mm. You
> would need an extention to the camera body on your Bessa of 16.66mm to
> mount the K mount lens further away from the body. You could easily build
> an adapter into this distance. I would suggest obtaining the back ends of
> a pair of lenses, a K mount and a Leica screw, and fabricating the
> appropriate metal in between the two, machining it until the register is
> correct.

Wouldn't you need the body-mount side for the K-mount lens?  This could
be aquired from a K-mount teleconvertor or a K-mount body, but not a
K-mount lens.

alex

Re: OT: Another Show

[mapson]

At 06:16 PM 19/01/2004 -0500, you wrote:
Hi, Andre,

"Real" darkroom prints.  12 8x10's and one 11x14.  Unfortunately, not my 
darkroom, so I'm paying for it.
I have a permanent dark-room. Since the purchase of *istD used only once a 
fortnight or so. Any time you want to use it, just come over. FREE. :-D

I won't even mention mountains of B&W stuff that we will never use ;-(



   (*)o(*) 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: AF 280 mod/ LX fill flash

[Cotty]

On 19/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>I'd really like a pentax K to Leica screw 39 adapter so I could use a
>couple of my M/K lenses on my V*er Bessas, possible do you think?

Er, oh yes. Focussing could be a problem.




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Re: VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS"

[mapson]

Oh my GOD Robert, I just opened a PIF file - and guess what happened ?!?!?



Cheers,
  Cotty


I don't know :o)

You won a million dollars?

I do not claim that you can avoid ALL viruses but often they follow a 
pattern. PIFs are good give-away it might be a virus. Another one is a 
general reference to something that supposedly happened recently. "thanks 
for lunch the other day, now it's my turn", "this is the info you asked 
for", "XYZ send hello" etc.

I got the Snow White one a couple of times. They tell you the beginning of 
the story and then ask you to click on a link to see the rest (sexual 
references all over).

Last week I got a prompt for Windows update. All killed as soon as they 
emerged ;-)

   (*)o(*) 
Robert
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Another Bike Photo

[Hal & Sandra Davis]

He's carrying a couple potatoes back there.
- Original Message - 
From: "graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: Another Bike Photo


> You are not a serious cyclist, I take it?
>
> --
>
> Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
> > erm Ryan, what IS that in his pants?!?!?  It looks mighty unnatural to
have
> > a butt shaped like that! lol...
>
>
> -- 
> graywolf
> http://graywolfphoto.com
>
> "You might as well accept people as they are,
> you are not going to be able to change them anyway."
>
>
>

Re: AF 280 mod/ LX fill flash

[Cotty]

On 19/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>I'd really like a pentax K to Leica screw 39 adapter so I could use a
>couple of my M/K lenses on my V*er Bessas, possible do you think?

Entirely possible with a home-brew non-optical adapter. The distance
between the flange of a lens (the part that rests against the camera body
when it is on the camera) and the film plane is known as the 'register'.
On K mount, that distance is 45.46mm. On Leica screw it is 28.8mm. You
would need an extention to the camera body on your Bessa of 16.66mm to
mount the K mount lens further away from the body. You could easily build
an adapter into this distance. I would suggest obtaining the back ends of
a pair of lenses, a K mount and a Leica screw, and fabricating the
appropriate metal in between the two, machining it until the register is
correct.

Or pay someone :-)

Yes, it can be done. I'll let you know it I come across any examples.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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RE: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo

[frank theriault]

Smooth tire, or knobby, Cotty?

Or do I want to know?



-frank

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

What a lazy SOB - using the luggage rack. I use the bare tyre. At speed, 
LOL.





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Re: OT: Another Show

[frank theriault]

Hi, Andre,

"Real" darkroom prints.  12 8x10's and one 11x14.  Unfortunately, not my 
darkroom, so I'm paying for it.  By Wednesday, about 1/2 of them will be 
done, hopefully by the end of the week, the rest.  I want to mount on the 
weekend, and have them ready for the end of the next week.  I just heard 
last night that they want to do an opening night thingie for Jan 30th.  I'd 
have preferred the following Friday, but this will make me get it done, I 
guess...  

-frank

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Andre Langevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT:  Another Show
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:09:11 -0500
Two weeks ain't much time, is it?

frank
If you're all set up, after the first ones, it could go fast.

Real darkroom stuff or ...real inkjet prints?

Andre

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Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news

[Charles Braswell Jr]

Hi Frank,

Those were very good comments and I enjoyed them. I'm glad that you hit send
instead of delete. I agree that people won't improve their photography much
just because they have digital.

Charles


I'd might as well wade into this one:

Much of what you said in your intitial post, and in this one, I agree with,
John.  Sort of.

You're making the assumption that people really care about improving the
mistakes they made with their film p&s's.  I don't see that happening with
many (most?) people.  Walk around touristy areas, and it's amazing how many
have digi p&s's these days.  And, they're making the same mistakes that they
made with film.  Looks like they're taking about the same number of photos.
I don' see many folks editing on the fly - which BTW, really isn't a good
idea in my books.  It's pretty hard to consider a photograph "in the heat of
the battle" so to speak.  The only way I'd delete something while shooting
is if I ran out of memory, and I had no choice.  Editing should be done
after the fact, when one can be a bit more detached, and has the time to
properly consider why something should be deleted.

Now, if someone really wants to improve their photographs, they'll do it,
digital or no.  They'll have already decided to buy an SLR or decent
rangefinder, for the flexibility they afford.  They'll have already learned
how to eliminate red-eye, and started to try to compose a bit, rather than
just "point and shoot".

Here's why I think digital is a boon to the casual amateur.  It's new
technology.  It's exciting.  You can send piccies back to Nanny and Grampy
~while you're still on vacation~;  "here we are standing next to Old
Faithful this morning...".  You only have to remember the camera - 'cause
you can buy AA batteries anywhere in the world (AFAIK).  So a lot of folks
are going to take more photos just because of the convenience of it.  You
take more photos, some are bound to turn out.

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer

Re: VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS"

[Jostein]

Must be a big archive of sent mail too, if that mail originated from PDML.
Roland Mabo left us a couple of years ago, iirc.

Jostein

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS"


> Patrick White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > FYI, this message had a virus attached (well, that's _my_ interpretation
of
> >having a file named "031013-2141.cl5.pif" attached means :-)
>
> Yeah, viruses now steal subject lines found in your saved email in order
> to look more authentic. They snag the "From:" information from either
> your saved mail or your web browser cache. It's best these days to be
> suspicious of any attached executable unless it's something you
> specifically requested - even if it seems to come from someone you know.
>
> -- 
> Mark Roberts
> Photography and writing
> www.robertstech.com
>

Re: VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS"

[Cotty]

On 19/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>At 02:08 PM 19/01/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>>Patrick White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >   FYI, this message had a virus attached (well, that's _my_ 
>> interpretation of
>> >having a file named "031013-2141.cl5.pif" attached means :-)
>
>
>
>If anyone opens a PIF file they asked for it!
>
>
>    (*)o(*) 
>Robert

Oh my GOD Robert, I just opened a PIF file - and guess what happened ?!?!?




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Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news

[Cotty]

On 19/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>> 
>> On 19/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
>> 
>> 
>> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3409155.stm
>> >>
>> >> I can't really say I agree with them, but hey...
>> 
>> >What drivel ...
>> 
>> The article is taking some snippets of fact, some snippets of
>> misinformation, and chucking them into a pot in an awkward context, and
>> as a result, is an utter bag of shite. Very bad journalism for the Beeb. 
>
>
>Whoa, everybody!  Step back and take another look at it.
>
>The average target audience for this article isn't you, or me:
>it's my mother-in-law (a roll of film lasts her almost a year,
>and she throws away the negatives), or my nieces (snap away
>with wild abandon, hardly even bothering to look through the
>viewfinder).

[snip]

John, your sentiment is honourable but i stand by my remark. The article
has been 'dumbed down' and is below par for what i would consider the BBC
to average as a journalistic enterprise. Sad because it's happening all over.

Sure, in the pages of What Photo! or Digicams Rock magazines, but come
one - this is the BBC. Objectivity straight out the window and film sucks
cuz digital is where it's happening man. Sorry, I don't buy it. It's
typical of the 'don''t you worry folks, modern technology can get you out
of any fix you care to try and isn't it just wonderful' attitude that
permeates our societies today. A few years down the road and you won;t
even have to think for yourself as there will be a box to do that for you.






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Re: rechargeable NiMH batteries, ist-D and last night

[Christian Skofteland]

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> You may have defective batteries or just "not good enough" batteries.
> there are a lot of differences between various NiMH batteries, even
> amongst those with identical ratings. Read the Imaging Resource battery
> article at http://www.imaging-resource.com/ACCS/BATTS/BATTS.HTM
> 
> The Powerex 2200 are supposedly the best. They're available from Thomas
> Distributing at http://www.thomas-distributing.com/mh-4aa220.htm

I'm thinking they are in the "not good enough" category.

Christian

Re: rechargeable NiMH batteries, ist-D and last night

[Christian Skofteland]

- Original Message - 
From: "Dr. Heiko Hamann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Hi Christian,
>
> Did you use the battery grip? There seems to be some strange behaviour
> when using NiMH and the grip. The camera tells you that the batteries
> are empty, but when you remove the batteries from the grip, then the
> *istD works fine. I don't know the reaosn, but it is under investigation
> ;-).
>

Actually, I have the grip but removed it before the evening so I would have
a smaller package to carry around with me.

Christian

Re: rechargeable NiMH batteries, ist-D and last night

[Christian Skofteland]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> I've shot 300-400 frames on a set on 2000 Mah NiMH and still had them
> showing good.
> There are times though, that they LCD will show dead, but turning the
camera
> off and back on resets it to full.

Been there done that

Christian

OT: Portfolios-was:RE: Another Show

[frank theriault]

That's kind of why I started to put my little portfolio together.  Friends 
have seen me for years now, taking photos, and started asking what the hell 
those photos looked like.  This is a way to show them a tiny bit of what 
I've been up to.  Plus, if I get something printed up for a friend, it's 
much nicer to stick it in the portfolio and carry it around that way, rather 
than an envelope that I end up sticking under my arm, dropping in the mud, 
etc. 

And, of course, it does make a much nicer presentation if I'm trying to 
impress someone on whose walls I want to put my photographs.

But, unless I have a specific purpose, I rarely carry it with me.  I want 
both hands free for grabbing those unexpected shots!  

Oh yeah, right after I posted, someone (forgot who, sorry - then I deleted 
the post) asked me what type of portfolio I was using.  It's an Itoya 12-8:

http://itoya.com/Catalogs/Profolio/Profolio_html/Art_profolio.htm

I got mine on sale, but I think I paid somewhere around $14 or $15 CDN for 
mine - maybe they usually go for around $20 CDN?  Still, not a bad price, 
and they do a good job of protecting my prints, as well as making for a 
nicer presentation.  The prints slide in and out easily, if so desired.  
Mike Johnston, in one of his articles mentioned them (I noticed that after 
I'd already bought one, which of course pleased me...  ).

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Cesar Matamoros II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Another Show
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:49:31 -0500
Frank,

Congratulations!  Awesome!

I hope you will still talk to us little people at GFMtn :-)

I have been tempted to compile a portfolio of shots that I truly enjoy of
mine.  You and other stories like it may cause me to start it.  Not that I
would be showing it off, more for friends who do ask.
Congrats again,

César

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Re: Hi (warning, it is a virus)

[Cotty]

I'm not saying one single dang thing.



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Re: AF 280/Sunpak 422/433

[Cotty]

On 19/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>Hi, Cotty.  I do have to admit that I have not given it a try.
>()  As many of us are, I've been busy, busy, busy.
>However, my "scary" comments aside, I do have to admit that I did
>peek inside the unit a few months ago, and the quality of
>workmanship of your modification is truly outstanding...
>
>...for a Mac man - .
>
>(Sorry - I couldn't resist - .)
>
>Fred


Bare in mind that the full extent of my abilities as an electronics
technician hinge on the single fact that my father was one. That is it. I
taught myself how to weld, solder, and photograph. Oh well, one out of
three ain't the pits I guess.

All I gotta do is learn how to solder and snap now


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Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news

[frank theriault]

Well, I meant to hit "delete", and accidentally hit "send".  Which is why I 
didn't sign my previous post.  I decided that my 2 cents worth weren't going 
to advance the debate, but then fate took a hand...  

But, I'd pretty much said all I had to say, except that digital will allow 
those interested to improve their photography to do so, maybe faster than 
film would have.  But, for most, who are happy with Uncle Bob's red eyes (he 
drinks a lot anyway, so they're bloodshot most of the time...), or cutting 
off the top of Aunt Mabel's forehead, they'll just keep doing the same 
things.  Or maybe they'll just do more of it, more often...  

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:32:04 -0500
I'd might as well wade into this one:

Much of what you said in your intitial post, and in this one, I agree with, 
John.  Sort of.

You're making the assumption that people really care about improving the 
mistakes they made with their film p&s's.  I don't see that happening with 
many (most?) people.  Walk around touristy areas, and it's amazing how many 
have digi p&s's these days.  And, they're making the same mistakes that 
they made with film.  Looks like they're taking about the same number of 
photos.  I don' see many folks editing on the fly - which BTW, really isn't 
a good idea in my books.  It's pretty hard to consider a photograph "in the 
heat of the battle" so to speak.  The only way I'd delete something while 
shooting is if I ran out of memory, and I had no choice.  Editing should be 
done after the fact, when one can be a bit more detached, and has the time 
to properly consider why something should be deleted.

Now, if someone really wants to improve their photographs, they'll do it, 
digital or no.  They'll have already decided to buy an SLR or decent 
rangefinder, for the flexibility they afford.  They'll have already learned 
how to eliminate red-eye, and started to try to compose a bit, rather than 
just "point and shoot".

Here's why I think digital is a boon to the casual amateur.  It's new 
technology.  It's exciting.  You can send piccies back to Nanny and Grampy 
~while you're still on vacation~;  "here we are standing next to Old 
Faithful this morning...".  You only have to remember the camera - 'cause 
you can buy AA batteries anywhere in the world (AFAIK).  So a lot of folks 
are going to take more photos just because of the convenience of it.  You 
take more photos, some are bound to turn out.

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Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo (attention Ryan re virus)

[Ryan Lee]

Speak of the devil.. I was reading this message and the news on TV shows a
report on the new beagle/bagle virus.. Good call Mark

Rgds,
Ryan

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo (attention Ryan re virus)


> Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I got email this morning from ryan  with
> >hi suspecting that I have a virus...
> >I think not--
> >the email that he got was this (I cut and paste)
> >
> >RYAN - I Did not send  (what was cut and pasted below)
> > looks more like I'm in  someone's address book that did get a virus
though.
> >
> >Was thinking your mail to me  clipped below off list was a a spoof.
> >
> >I send everything out in plain text , have dial up service and never send
> >attachments...  not to mention I didn't send mail to you - but only to
the list.
> >
> >anyone???
>
> Yep. Probably the new Bagle-A virus (a SoBig variant).
>
> FWIW, folks: Don't ever believe the "From:" line in any email you
> believe to be a virus. It's always fake with viruses these days.
>
> -- 
> Mark Roberts
> Photography and writing
> www.robertstech.com
>
>

Re: Another Bike Photo

[frank theriault]

Yeah, could be.

Some mountain biker types wear regular road shorts under looser ones.  
There's also a sort of thin undergarment available that does the same thing. 
 And, as you said Tom, you can buy mountain biking shorts that are loose, 
but still have the chamois (which is what the pad that everyone's interested 
in is called, because on early bike shorts, it was actually made of chamois 
leather).

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Another Bike Photo
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:25:26 -0500
Actually, I think they are mountain biking shorts. Looser and pockets, but 
with the same padding.

--

frank theriault wrote:

Well, it figures that Tanya would focus in on ~that~ portion of the photo, 
eh?

I'm pretty sure you're right, Ryan.  It looks like underneath his gnarly 
loose-fitting shorts he's wearing real bike shorts (you know, the tight 
spandex ones).  They have what's known as a "chamois" (although they've 
not been made of chamois leather for a long time) in the crotch, to act as 
padding, but more importantly to absorb moisture.


--
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http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

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Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo (attention Ryan re virus)

[Ryan Lee]

Darn germs getting smarter and smarter! Has anyone figured out who it is
yet?

Rgds,
Ryan

- Original Message - 
From: "Ann Sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:15 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo (attention Ryan re virus)


> I got email this morning from ryan  with
> hi suspecting that I have a virus...
> I think not--
> the email that he got was this (I cut and paste)
>
> RYAN - I Did not send  (what was cut and pasted below)
>  looks more like I'm in  someone's address book that did get a virus
though.
>
> Was thinking your mail to me  clipped below off list was a a spoof.
>
> I send everything out in plain text , have dial up service and never send
> attachments...  not to mention I didn't send mail to you - but only to the
list.
>
> anyone???
>
> ann
> _
> Hi Ann,
>
> Looks like you've caught a virus.. This mail came with an attachment too,
> but Zone Alarm isolated it for me. You might want to check it out?
>
> Regards,
> Ryan
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 9:49 PM
> Subject: Hi
>
>
> > Test =)
> > irkxdfkronpcirik
> > --
> > Test, yep.
> >
> ___
>
>
>
>

Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news

[frank theriault]

I'd might as well wade into this one:

Much of what you said in your intitial post, and in this one, I agree with, 
John.  Sort of.

You're making the assumption that people really care about improving the 
mistakes they made with their film p&s's.  I don't see that happening with 
many (most?) people.  Walk around touristy areas, and it's amazing how many 
have digi p&s's these days.  And, they're making the same mistakes that they 
made with film.  Looks like they're taking about the same number of photos.  
I don' see many folks editing on the fly - which BTW, really isn't a good 
idea in my books.  It's pretty hard to consider a photograph "in the heat of 
the battle" so to speak.  The only way I'd delete something while shooting 
is if I ran out of memory, and I had no choice.  Editing should be done 
after the fact, when one can be a bit more detached, and has the time to 
properly consider why something should be deleted.

Now, if someone really wants to improve their photographs, they'll do it, 
digital or no.  They'll have already decided to buy an SLR or decent 
rangefinder, for the flexibility they afford.  They'll have already learned 
how to eliminate red-eye, and started to try to compose a bit, rather than 
just "point and shoot".

Here's why I think digital is a boon to the casual amateur.  It's new 
technology.  It's exciting.  You can send piccies back to Nanny and Grampy 
~while you're still on vacation~;  "here we are standing next to Old 
Faithful this morning...".  You only have to remember the camera - 'cause 
you can buy AA batteries anywhere in the world (AFAIK).  So a lot of folks 
are going to take more photos just because of the convenience of it.  You 
take more photos, some are bound to turn out.

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:39:00 -0500 (EST)
>
> Hi,
>
> John Francis wrote:
>
> Mostly right things but then
>
> > We care about the process; most folks don't.  For them, the
> > digital camera does help, even if it's only because of the fact
> > that it's very easy to see what you did wrong almost immediately.
>
> Given the "most folks" scenario, I think it is more a case of "that"
> rather than "what" you did wrong.  In many of those "most folks" cases
> they will not have the faintest clue _what_ they did wrong.  Or, more
> properly, they will not have the faintest clue how to correct their
> perceived mistake.  An advantage of digital is that they can then change
> settings, even at random, to see what happens and get an instant
> result.  I wonder how many of them will actually undergo a learning
> experiance from it?
If they just learn not to take photographs that have a tiny dot in
the middle of the screen surrounded by an expanse of nothing much,
or pictures with the top of the head (or half of little Jimmy)
cropped off, that will eliminate the vast majority of bad snaps.
Then, of course, there are the under-exposures because the built-in
flash isn't quite powerful enough to illuminate an entire sports arena.
After that it's a toss-up between bad timing (eyes closed, mouth open,
etc.), glaring reflections from the flash (including trying to take a
picture of the TV screen using flash), and thumbs, hands, other people's
arms, etc. getting in the way of the subject.
All of those mistakes are fairly obvious, and easy enough to correct.

Only after that do we get into the "tough" scenarios: the wrong part of
the scene in focus (at least nowadays with AF cameras there's usually
*something* in focus, which I guess is some kind of an improvement),
or motion blur because the shutter speed is too low.  Those are going
to be harder to correct without at least a little thought.

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"Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news

[Henk Terhell]

The controversial fact is that the contest of World Wildlife
Photographer of the Year, sponsored by the BBC, only accepts slide film.
Digital pictures should be converted to slide film. 
See http://flood.nhm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wildwin/2003/

Seeing recently the yearly exposition of these most impressive pictures
I wondered again why none of the pictures were made with digital
cameras, and looking up this site I now know why, but still I have no
clue. 

Henk Terhell



-Original Message-
From: Steve Jolly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 19 January, 2004 4:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3409155.stm

I can't really say I agree with them, but hey...

S

RE: *ist-D - jpg, tiff or raw?

[Rob Studdert]

On 19 Jan 2004 at 8:14, Jens Bladt wrote:

> Hi Rob and other *ist D owners.
> I'm having a dicussion with my brother: Will I loose (visible) data when
> shooting/saving files in camera as JPEG's.

Relative to RAW significant data may be lost depending upon the range of 
illumination of the scene however using the current Pentax RAW convertor you 
may loose the advantage slightly due to it's relatively poor edge performance.

> Is ther a visible difference betwen RAW shots, converted to TIF and a low
> compression (best) JPEG shot. Your answer will be highly appreciated. 

Relative to TIFF the JPEG compression rate is so low (my full res 200ISO low 
compression JPEG files vary from 606k to 4669k per image) that there is only 
faint signs of JPEG compression artifacts under magnification. You would have 
to have a special need for TIFF files to justify saving in-camera TIFF.

RAW would give you some advantage in latitude, reasonable file sizes and some 
advantage to be able to alter colour balance etc after the fact. The RAW 
convertor isn't the best at the moment, the contrast and sharpening controls 
have a different effect to the in-camera processing and also there is the edge 
issue. Hopefully soon there will be improvement on the Pentax product and 
native support under PShop etc. The other thing to consider is that RAW 
conversion puts another pretty slow and laborious step in your image processing 
flow.

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Achromatic close-up lenses

[Lon Williamson]

Not to beat a dead horse, though I expect I am:
Pentax sells 2 element supplementary lenses for
645 and 6x7.  Anyone ever use them with step-up-
down rings on 35mm?  Comments?
Lon

Vs: VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS"

[Raimo Korhonen]

Well - it´s not always easy to see what´s pif and what´s not.
BTW I just received a mail from "Bruce Dayton" with "Re: PUG deadlines" as subject. 
Looked suspicious.
All the best!
Raimo
Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho

-Alkuperäinen viesti-
Lähettäjä: mapson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Päivä: 19. tammikuuta 2004 22:45
Aihe: Re: VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS"


>At 02:08 PM 19/01/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>>Patrick White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >   FYI, this message had a virus attached (well, that's _my_ 
>> interpretation of
>> >having a file named "031013-2141.cl5.pif" attached means :-)
>
>
>
>If anyone opens a PIF file they asked for it!
>
>
>    (*)o(*) 
>Robert
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news

[John Francis]

> 
> Hi,
> 
> John Francis wrote:
> 
> Mostly right things but then
> 
> > We care about the process; most folks don't.  For them, the
> > digital camera does help, even if it's only because of the fact
> > that it's very easy to see what you did wrong almost immediately.
> 
> Given the "most folks" scenario, I think it is more a case of "that"
> rather than "what" you did wrong.  In many of those "most folks" cases
> they will not have the faintest clue _what_ they did wrong.  Or, more
> properly, they will not have the faintest clue how to correct their
> perceived mistake.  An advantage of digital is that they can then change
> settings, even at random, to see what happens and get an instant
> result.  I wonder how many of them will actually undergo a learning
> experiance from it?

If they just learn not to take photographs that have a tiny dot in
the middle of the screen surrounded by an expanse of nothing much,
or pictures with the top of the head (or half of little Jimmy)
cropped off, that will eliminate the vast majority of bad snaps.

Then, of course, there are the under-exposures because the built-in
flash isn't quite powerful enough to illuminate an entire sports arena.

After that it's a toss-up between bad timing (eyes closed, mouth open,
etc.), glaring reflections from the flash (including trying to take a
picture of the TV screen using flash), and thumbs, hands, other people's
arms, etc. getting in the way of the subject.

All of those mistakes are fairly obvious, and easy enough to correct.

Only after that do we get into the "tough" scenarios: the wrong part of
the scene in focus (at least nowadays with AF cameras there's usually
*something* in focus, which I guess is some kind of an improvement),
or motion blur because the shutter speed is too low.  Those are going
to be harder to correct without at least a little thought.

Re: AF 280 mod/ LX fill flash

[Fred]

> Fred took my preferred route of buying the solution.

Yes.  However, the same lack of time that led me to purchase Cotty's
modified AF280T has kept me from getting around to actually using
it.  But, that's still on the To Do List (moderately high up)...

Fred

Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news

[graywolf]

Now that you mention it, Bill...

It is obviously your lab's fault that my 4x5's are not coming out exactly the 
way I want them. If you would get things straightened out up there, I would get 
better negatives from my bathroom/darkroom.

--

William Robb wrote:
 >
From what I have seen so far, the learning curve is to find new and more
inventive ways to blame the bad results on the photo lab.


--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

AF 280 mod/ LX fill flash

[Clive Evans]

Cotty, Fred 
Thanks for the link Cotty, I couldn't open it, I do remember having alook
though when I was modifying an A grip ala LX 2000 last summer.
Good thinking but I am scared stiff of opening electronic
things...!
Fred took my preferred route of buying the solution   
clearly you are a bit of a wizz at adapter thingys.
I'd really like a pentax K to Leica screw 39 adapter so I could use a
couple of my M/K lenses on my V*er Bessas, possible do you think?
Clive
Antibes
France

Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news

[Peter Alling]

A Mike Tell us how you really feel...

At 03:31 PM 1/19/04, Mike wrote:
Hi,

William Robb wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "mike wilson"
> Subject: Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news
>
> > Given the "most folks" scenario, I think it is more a case of "that"
> > rather than "what" you did wrong.  In many of those "most folks" cases
> > they will not have the faintest clue _what_ they did wrong.  Or, more
> > properly, they will not have the faintest clue how to correct their
> > perceived mistake.  An advantage of digital is that they can then change
> > settings, even at random, to see what happens and get an instant
> > result.  I wonder how many of them will actually undergo a learning
> > experiance from it?
>
> >From what I have seen so far, the learning curve is to find new and more
> inventive ways to blame the bad results on the photo lab.
H.  We have a number of customers (students) whose smug, arrogant,
witless, spawny-eyed, little mugs could usefully be smacked around to
the other side of their heads.  They are an insult to decerebrate
turnips.
m
I drink to make other people interesting.
-- George Jean Nathan  

Re: Ducks

[Rebekah Gonzalez]

Looks like what it is to me also, thanks, I was really wondering what they
were. :-P
Rebekah
- Original Message -
From: "Ann Sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: Ducks


> mike wilson wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have it on good authority that it is an Egyptian goose [Alopochen
> > aegyptiacus] .  Certainly looks right.
> >
> > http://www.oaklandzoo.org/atoz/azegoose.html
> >
> > Apparently beginning to be a bit of a nuisance in the UK.
> >
> > mike
>
> annsan sez:
> Looks right indeed I didn't think it was a duck - but I couldn't
> find
> anything to prove who it was and I can't quote chapter and verse on
> why I thought it wasn't a duck - it just didn't _look like a duck_ :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS"

[mapson]

At 02:08 PM 19/01/2004 -0500, you wrote:
Patrick White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>   FYI, this message had a virus attached (well, that's _my_ 
interpretation of
>having a file named "031013-2141.cl5.pif" attached means :-)


If anyone opens a PIF file they asked for it!

   (*)o(*) 
Robert
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

SV: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news

[Jens Bladt]

>From what I have seen so far, the learning curve is to find new and more
> inventive ways to blame the bad results on the photo lab.

Or the camera...
Jens

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 19. januar 2004 21:32
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news


Hi,

William Robb wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "mike wilson"
> Subject: Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news
>
> > Given the "most folks" scenario, I think it is more a case of "that"
> > rather than "what" you did wrong.  In many of those "most folks" cases
> > they will not have the faintest clue _what_ they did wrong.  Or, more
> > properly, they will not have the faintest clue how to correct their
> > perceived mistake.  An advantage of digital is that they can then change
> > settings, even at random, to see what happens and get an instant
> > result.  I wonder how many of them will actually undergo a learning
> > experiance from it?
>
> >From what I have seen so far, the learning curve is to find new and more
> inventive ways to blame the bad results on the photo lab.

H.  We have a number of customers (students) whose smug, arrogant,
witless, spawny-eyed, little mugs could usefully be smacked around to
the other side of their heads.  They are an insult to decerebrate
turnips.

m

SV: Slide duping with the ist D. was:Re: PUG Deadline Approaching

[Jens Bladt]

Why do you wanna do slide dupping. Isn't far easier to scan the slides? And
get better resolution as well.
Jens

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 19. januar 2004 21:26
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Slide duping with the ist D. was:Re: PUG Deadline Approaching



- Original Message -
From: "David Mann"
Subject: Re: PUG Deadline Approaching


> William Robb wrote:
>
> > At some point, I will probably make something that I can put on the
> > front of
> > my 6x7 bellows, as that should give enough draw to allow for duping
> > without
> > the close up filter.
>
> Have you set this up for duping both 35mm and 6x7?  The *ist-D would
> make a pretty versatile (not to mention economical) multi format film
> "scanner".

So far, just 35mm slides. I have done a couple of jobs now, averaging about
250 slides per job.
Total time to "scan" the slides was around an hour and a half per job.
I then set up an action in Photoshop to correct the levels, add sharpening,
etc, and let the computer do whatever it is that they do.
Checked, and had about a dozen images that I wanted to do manually, so I
went back to the original files and tweaked them, then burned the whole mess
to a CD.
Total time for the job was less than 2 1/2 hours to scan and burn to CD
about 250 slides.

This is only a 2000x3000 pixel "scan", and I don't think will be quite as
sharp as scanning with a dedicated slide scanner, especially as I had to use
a dreaded close-up filter in the light path, but my customer was quite
pleased, and the results print very nicely.

William Robb

Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news

[mike wilson]

Hi,

William Robb wrote:
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "mike wilson"
> Subject: Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news
> 
> > Given the "most folks" scenario, I think it is more a case of "that"
> > rather than "what" you did wrong.  In many of those "most folks" cases
> > they will not have the faintest clue _what_ they did wrong.  Or, more
> > properly, they will not have the faintest clue how to correct their
> > perceived mistake.  An advantage of digital is that they can then change
> > settings, even at random, to see what happens and get an instant
> > result.  I wonder how many of them will actually undergo a learning
> > experiance from it?
> 
> >From what I have seen so far, the learning curve is to find new and more
> inventive ways to blame the bad results on the photo lab.

H.  We have a number of customers (students) whose smug, arrogant,
witless, spawny-eyed, little mugs could usefully be smacked around to
the other side of their heads.  They are an insult to decerebrate
turnips.

m

Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "mike wilson"
Subject: Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news



> Given the "most folks" scenario, I think it is more a case of "that"
> rather than "what" you did wrong.  In many of those "most folks" cases
> they will not have the faintest clue _what_ they did wrong.  Or, more
> properly, they will not have the faintest clue how to correct their
> perceived mistake.  An advantage of digital is that they can then change
> settings, even at random, to see what happens and get an instant
> result.  I wonder how many of them will actually undergo a learning
> experiance from it?


>From what I have seen so far, the learning curve is to find new and more
inventive ways to blame the bad results on the photo lab.

William Robb

Re: Another Bike Photo

[graywolf]

Actually, I think they are mountain biking shorts. Looser and pockets, but with 
the same padding.

--

frank theriault wrote:

Well, it figures that Tanya would focus in on ~that~ portion of the 
photo, eh?

I'm pretty sure you're right, Ryan.  It looks like underneath his gnarly 
loose-fitting shorts he's wearing real bike shorts (you know, the tight 
spandex ones).  They have what's known as a "chamois" (although they've 
not been made of chamois leather for a long time) in the crotch, to act 
as padding, but more importantly to absorb moisture.


--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Slide duping with the ist D. was:Re: PUG Deadline Approaching

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "David Mann"
Subject: Re: PUG Deadline Approaching


> William Robb wrote:
>
> > At some point, I will probably make something that I can put on the
> > front of
> > my 6x7 bellows, as that should give enough draw to allow for duping
> > without
> > the close up filter.
>
> Have you set this up for duping both 35mm and 6x7?  The *ist-D would
> make a pretty versatile (not to mention economical) multi format film
> "scanner".

So far, just 35mm slides. I have done a couple of jobs now, averaging about
250 slides per job.
Total time to "scan" the slides was around an hour and a half per job.
I then set up an action in Photoshop to correct the levels, add sharpening,
etc, and let the computer do whatever it is that they do.
Checked, and had about a dozen images that I wanted to do manually, so I
went back to the original files and tweaked them, then burned the whole mess
to a CD.
Total time for the job was less than 2 1/2 hours to scan and burn to CD
about 250 slides.

This is only a 2000x3000 pixel "scan", and I don't think will be quite as
sharp as scanning with a dedicated slide scanner, especially as I had to use
a dreaded close-up filter in the light path, but my customer was quite
pleased, and the results print very nicely.

William Robb

Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news

[mike wilson]

Hi,

John Francis wrote:

Mostly right things but then

> We care about the process; most folks don't.  For them, the
> digital camera does help, even if it's only because of the fact
> that it's very easy to see what you did wrong almost immediately.

Given the "most folks" scenario, I think it is more a case of "that"
rather than "what" you did wrong.  In many of those "most folks" cases
they will not have the faintest clue _what_ they did wrong.  Or, more
properly, they will not have the faintest clue how to correct their
perceived mistake.  An advantage of digital is that they can then change
settings, even at random, to see what happens and get an instant
result.  I wonder how many of them will actually undergo a learning
experiance from it?

mike

Re: Hi (warning, it is a virus)

[Ann Sanfedele]

Steve Desjardins wrote:

> Yeah, us too.  Funny that we just had this discussion about a greeting being a bad 
> subject line entry.
>
> Steven Desjardins
> Department of Chemistry
> Washington and Lee University
> Lexington, VA 24450
> (540) 458-8873
> FAX: (540) 458-8878
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It used to be I didn't open email without a subject line ---
Now it appears that those _without _ any subject line are (a) safer to open
and (b) less likely to be bounced by an overly discriminating spam blocker.





>
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/19/04 01:16PM >>>
> My company has alerted to all employes that a message
> with this subject line containig an attachment is a
> virus called Worm_Beagle.A
>
> --- Michel_Carrère-Gée <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Shel Belinkoff a écrit:
> >
> > >Test =)
> > >rmwtxewwsnan
> > >--
> > >Test, yep.
> > >
> > >Got a similar message this morning with an
> > attachment.
> > >Someone's sending out a virus or worm, or perhaps
> > it's just
> > >some new spam.  Tuck, in any case.
> > >
> > Recived another not by Pdml, perhaps Spam, Virus !!
> > Any Pdml'er use Outlokk ??
> >
> > Michem
> >
>
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Re: I'M BACK!

[Brendan]

Too busy with exotic landscapes so far

 --- Pat White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Welcome back
Brendan!
> 
> You wrote:
> 
> I'm in Trinidad right now, with the Pz-20, the MZ-3
> died a *ist, non D on the way, nothing much new
> other
> than that.
> 
> 
> What, no exotic new models yet? Two contacted me
> just last week (one
> artist's, one fashion), and I did a shoot with the
> artist's model yesterday.
> I like Victoria!
> 
> Pat White
> 
>  

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VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS"

[Patrick White]

FYI, this message had a virus attached (well, that's _my_ interpretation of 
having a file named "031013-2141.cl5.pif" attached means :-)

later,
patbob

On Monday 19 January 2004 09:21 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi
> Roland is right. I have just the same opinion. There is time when someone
> suddenly discover he is afford/needs to have sth bp

Re: AF 280/Sunpak 422/433

[Cotty]

On 19/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

 Now if some one can give me fooolproof method for doing
 automatic daylight fill flash [flash underexposing by say 1/2 to
 1 stop ] with an LX and thse two rigs I will be a happy bunny.
>
>> Sure. Look here:
>> 
>
>What is scary is that:
>
>1.  Cotty's mods were done by a ~Mac~ user, and
>
>2.  I, a confirmed PC user, bought Cotty's original AF280T from him.
>
>As I said, scary...
>
>Fred

Fred! Out of the closet and onto the fire. How's it going? Do you use it?
Have you figured out a useable method with it? Dies it actually work




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news

[Brendan]

Let them spread more myths that truth, my shots will
look better ( even tho I suck ) compared to the masses
:D

 --- Steve Jolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3409155.stm
> 
> I can't really say I agree with them, but hey...
> 
> S
>  

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Re: Epson advice needed

[Brendan]

Both are good, but what exactly does he need to print,
size, B&W or more for colour etc?

 --- Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A
friend of mine is looking for a printer, and seems
> to narrow down to
> the Epson C84 and the R300.
> What do you think?
> Are there websites with reviews? 
> -- 
> Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  

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Re: Hi (warning, it is a virus)

[Steve Desjardins]

Yeah, us too.  Funny that we just had this discussion about a greeting being a bad 
subject line entry.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/19/04 01:16PM >>>
My company has alerted to all employes that a message
with this subject line containig an attachment is a
virus called Worm_Beagle.A
 
--- Michel_Carrère-Gée <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Shel Belinkoff a écrit:
> 
> >Test =)
> >rmwtxewwsnan
> >--
> >Test, yep.
> >
> >Got a similar message this morning with an
> attachment.
> >Someone's sending out a virus or worm, or perhaps
> it's just
> >some new spam.  Tuck, in any case.
> >
> Recived another not by Pdml, perhaps Spam, Virus !!
> Any Pdml'er use Outlokk ??
> 
> Michem
> 


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Re: Hi (warning, it is a virus)

[Jaume Lahuerta]

My company has alerted to all employes that a message
with this subject line containig an attachment is a
virus called Worm_Beagle.A
 
--- Michel_Carrère-Gée <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Shel Belinkoff a écrit:
> 
> >Test =)
> >rmwtxewwsnan
> >--
> >Test, yep.
> >
> >Got a similar message this morning with an
> attachment.
> >Someone's sending out a virus or worm, or perhaps
> it's just
> >some new spam.  Tuck, in any case.
> >
> Recived another not by Pdml, perhaps Spam, Virus !!
> Any Pdml'er use Outlokk ??
> 
> Michem
> 


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Re: rechargeable NiMH batteries, ist-D and last night

[Dr. Heiko Hamann]

Hi,

on 19 Jan 04 you wrote in pentax.list:

>I have never experienced such a problem - it must be dependent on the camera.
>I've had very good battery life so far.  The batt. grip rocks, AFAIAC.

There are several identical observations here in Germany. In fact - we  
haven't found one *istD/D-BG1-combination that has no problem. Try the  
following: put some NiMH batteries in your camera and the grip. Connect  
the camera to your PC via USB. Switch on the camera an copy some images  
from/to the camera using USB. If you don't see any problem, than repeat  
it 2-3 times (switching the camera on/off each time). Somewhen the  
camera will tell you that the batteries are empty and switch off. Now  
take the batteries out of the grip and switch the camera on. It will  
work fine although it has told you that the batteries are empty only a  
minute ago...

Cheers, Heiko

Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo

[mike wilson]

Bob W wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I did a long(ish)-distance cycle ride with my brother and his family
> last summer. At the end I rather shocked my young nephews when I
> said I was reminded of a small village in South-East Asia.
> 
> Nephews: What do you mean, Uncle Bob?
> Me: Numh Kok!

8-)  It's the pins and needles as it comes back to life I can't stand. 
Haven't been able to ride for some time due to tendonitis in both knees
8-((

mike

Re: Pentax made vcrs?

[Joseph Tainter]

No aperture ring.

Joe

Re: OT, of course - photo ebay stuff

[Ann Sanfedele]

Peter Alling wrote:

> Amusing but typical, a friend of mine, who runs the local bakery,
> received a gift of a ceramic bakery, a wintery scene out of dickens
> which lights up and plays a number of summer songs from the late 19th
> to early 20th century, ("In the Good Old Summer Time", Roll Out the Barrel,
> etc.),
> and for some unknown reason "Pink Cadillac" all on a chip programmed to
> sound like
> a carnival calliope.  The Chinese must think we're very strange...

Well the silly snodomes are silly enough, it is true,but the Chinese workers

would be unlikely to know which tunes were correct...
Now that I think of it, there are probably a few on the list who never heard
of the first couple of songs you listed :)

When I showed the object to friends the other night they started laughing
at the tackiness BEFORE they heard the music... and said
"What does it play, Dreidel, Dreidel, Dreidel ???  My  apologies if I spelled
that wrong .

This will either peak the interest of others on the list to look at the listing

or thouroughly baffle them ;)

ann

>
> At 02:32 AM 1/19/04, you wrote:
> >No, I'm not going to give you the high sign that
> >there is an LX on my listing
> >for you to grab for $5.00 
> >
> >I have a few pics listed and a funny item that I
> >can't remember if I told you guys about
> >
> >check out the snowdome for a giggle
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2979583480
> >
> >(and I put up a photo that I almost used for
> >February)
> >
> >annsan for a multicultural peaceful world
> >
> >I wish I could get to sleep sometime before 2 am
> >--
> >I need to get in shape for GFM
>
> I drink to make other people interesting.
>  -- George Jean Nathan

Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo (attention Ryan re virus)

[Mark Roberts]

Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I got email this morning from ryan  with
>hi suspecting that I have a virus...
>I think not--
>the email that he got was this (I cut and paste)
>
>RYAN - I Did not send  (what was cut and pasted below)
> looks more like I'm in  someone's address book that did get a virus though.
>
>Was thinking your mail to me  clipped below off list was a a spoof.
>
>I send everything out in plain text , have dial up service and never send
>attachments...  not to mention I didn't send mail to you - but only to the list.
>
>anyone???

Yep. Probably the new Bagle-A virus (a SoBig variant).

FWIW, folks: Don't ever believe the "From:" line in any email you
believe to be a virus. It's always fake with viruses these days.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Hi

[Michel Carrère-Gée]

Shel Belinkoff a écrit:

Test =)
rmwtxewwsnan
--
Test, yep.
Got a similar message this morning with an attachment.
Someone's sending out a virus or worm, or perhaps it's just
some new spam.  Tuck, in any case.
Recived another not by Pdml, perhaps Spam, Virus !!
Any Pdml'er use Outlokk ??
Michem

Re: Epson advice needed

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

On 19 Jan 2004, Frits Wüthrich wrote:

> A friend of mine is looking for a printer, and seems to narrow down to
> the Epson C84 and the R300.
> What do you think?
> Are there websites with reviews? 
The tests are here:
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2004_reviews/epson_r300m.html
http://www6.tomshardware.com/consumer/20031124/index.html
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2003_reviews/canon_i860.html
If I were your friend, I would give a seroius look to Canon i865 - seems 
to be faster, slightly better quality and cheaper in exploatation costs 
than Epson C84. The only problem is its inks longevity - in spite of 
Canon's claim of 25 years prints durability, they last only 3-7 years 
according to the tests made by independent institutions. C84 inks should 
last about 80 years according to Epson yet they are water-resistant... 

-- 
Best regards
Sylwek

Re: "Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news

[Shel Belinkoff]

What drivel ...

Steve Jolly wrote:

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3409155.stm
>
> I can't really say I agree with them, but hey...
>
> S

Re: Hi

[Shel Belinkoff]

Test =)
rmwtxewwsnan
--
Test, yep.

Got a similar message this morning with an attachment.
Someone's sending out a virus or worm, or perhaps it's just
some new spam.  Tuck, in any case.

Michel Carrère-Gée wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit:
>
> > Test =)
> >fnqnnhxnymbrrcyukxvq
> >--
> >Test, yep.
> >
> >
> lmgùpndidstbq ??
>
> Michel

Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo (attention Ryan re virus)

[Ann Sanfedele]

I got email this morning from ryan  with
hi suspecting that I have a virus...
I think not--
the email that he got was this (I cut and paste)

RYAN - I Did not send  (what was cut and pasted below)
 looks more like I'm in  someone's address book that did get a virus though.

Was thinking your mail to me  clipped below off list was a a spoof.

I send everything out in plain text , have dial up service and never send
attachments...  not to mention I didn't send mail to you - but only to the list.

anyone???

ann
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Hi Ann,

Looks like you've caught a virus.. This mail came with an attachment too,
but Zone Alarm isolated it for me. You might want to check it out?

Regards,
Ryan


- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 9:49 PM
Subject: Hi


> Test =)
> irkxdfkronpcirik
> --
> Test, yep.
>
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Re: *ist-D - jpg, tiff or raw?

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello jens,

Yeah, I'm looking at those right now.  That is probably a better route
to go.  I guess some issues would be how fast the card can be downloaded
and how long the batteries last on those units.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce



Monday, January 19, 2004, 4:20:48 AM, you wrote:

jbwd> Thanks Bruce
jbwd> That sounds resonable enough.
jbwd> By the way: A portable card reader & harddrive is VERY
jbwd> much cheeper pr. MB tham memory cards - i.e.
jbwd> Flash Trax, Vosonic X's Drive or Image Tank.

jbwd> All the best
jbwd> Jens

jbwd> Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hello Jens,
>> 
>> I suspect part of the answer lies in what you are shooting. 
>> For
>> landscape/scenic stuff you need to eke out every last bit of
>> detail
>> that the camera can capture.  For that, raw is most likely
>> the best
>> way to go.
>> 
>> For portraiture/weddings it may not be quite as important. 
>> I don't
>> have enough storage space in cards yet to consider doing a
>> wedding or
>> a big session in raw.  I remember Tom V saying he had about
>> 9gb in
>> cards when he shoots a wedding.
>> 
>> So for the time being, I am shooting best quality jpegs.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>> Bruce
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sunday, January 18, 2004, 11:14:20 PM, you wrote:
>> 
>> JB> Hi Rob and other *ist D owners.
>> JB> I'm having a dicussion with my brother: Will I loose
>> (visible) data when
>> JB> shooting/saving files in camera as JPEG's.
>> JB> I think I will prefere to shoot RAW. Then edit, compress
>> etc. later in the
>> JB> computer. The discussion comes from limited storing
>> capacity/the high cost
>> JB> of RAM cards compared to i.e. the X-drive. My question
>> to you is (I dont
>> JB> have the *ist D yet. My brother has a Canon G5):
>> JB> Is ther a visible difference betwen RAW shots, converted
>> to TIF and a low
>> JB> compression (best) JPEG shot. Your answer will be highly
>> appreciated.
>> 
>> JB> Regards
>> JB> Jens
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 

RE: CF card + WiFI

[Rob Brigham]

On a more serious note, there are plenty of these around.  They are mainly geared for 
Pocket PCs and palm pilots.  The problem is that they would presumably need some kind 
of support interface from the camera.  Wouldn't mind betting that the first problem 
would be one of power.  The camera might not supply enough current during the write 
process to transmit the file instead, and you would have to deal with all kinds of 
error checking so that you could store the file somewhere if the connection cannot be 
made.  Even if you had a 'sneaky' device which transmitted the file after the camera 
had finished 'writing' it, I bet the camera shuts off power to the CF slot at that 
point.

No reason why Cameras cant be made smarter so that they work with one though... 

> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Brigham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 19 January 2004 16:42
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: CF card + WiFI
> 
> 
> So not just Pentax reading this site then!
> 
> What shall we wish for next.  Personally I think its about 
> time we went back to the moon and established moonbase alpha. 
>  Whats that, we are?  Wow even the US president reads the list now!
> 
> Rob
> 
> *I might be paranoid but that doesn't mean they are not out to get me*
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Frits Wüthrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 19 January 2004 16:28
> > To: Pentax Discussion List
> > Subject: CF card + WiFI
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.esend.com/sandisk/product.asp?sku=SDWCFB%2D128%2D76
> > 8&mscssid=WCPCLJ3PMJ149HW181RF0TKA83Q18EN0
> > 
> > This was discussed a few days ago, and here it is. It is also
> > available without memory.
> > -- 
> > Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

Re: OT, of course - photo ebay stuff

[Peter Alling]

Amusing but typical, a friend of mine, who runs the local bakery,
received a gift of a ceramic bakery, a wintery scene out of dickens
which lights up and plays a number of summer songs from the late 19th
to early 20th century, ("In the Good Old Summer Time", Roll Out the Barrel, 
etc.),
and for some unknown reason "Pink Cadillac" all on a chip programmed to 
sound like
a carnival calliope.  The Chinese must think we're very strange...

At 02:32 AM 1/19/04, you wrote:
No, I'm not going to give you the high sign that
there is an LX on my listing
for you to grab for $5.00 
I have a few pics listed and a funny item that I
can't remember if I told you guys about
check out the snowdome for a giggle
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2979583480
(and I put up a photo that I almost used for
February)
annsan for a multicultural peaceful world

I wish I could get to sleep sometime before 2 am
--
I need to get in shape for GFM
I drink to make other people interesting.
-- George Jean Nathan  

RE: CF card + WiFI

[Rob Brigham]

So not just Pentax reading this site then!

What shall we wish for next.  Personally I think its about time we went back to the 
moon and established moonbase alpha.  Whats that, we are?  Wow even the US president 
reads the list now!

Rob

*I might be paranoid but that doesn't mean they are not out to get me*

> -Original Message-
> From: Frits Wüthrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 19 January 2004 16:28
> To: Pentax Discussion List
> Subject: CF card + WiFI
> 
> 
> http://www.esend.com/sandisk/product.asp?sku=SDWCFB%2D128%2D76
> 8&mscssid=WCPCLJ3PMJ149HW181RF0TKA83Q18EN0
> 
> This was discussed a few days ago, and here it is. It is also 
> available without memory.
> -- 
> Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 

Epson advice needed

[Frits Wüthrich]

A friend of mine is looking for a printer, and seems to narrow down to
the Epson C84 and the R300.
What do you think?
Are there websites with reviews? 
-- 
Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

CF card + WiFI

[Frits Wüthrich]

http://www.esend.com/sandisk/product.asp?sku=SDWCFB%2D128%2D768&mscssid=WCPCLJ3PMJ149HW181RF0TKA83Q18EN0

This was discussed a few days ago, and here it is. It is also available
without memory.
-- 
Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: OT- PMA Rumour Mill Starting Up

[Cotty]

On 19/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>That's because Canon types already know everything. ;-)
>
>Excepting Cotty and TV, of course.
>
>(That IS meant to be a compliment, you know.)

...I already knew that.


Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Achromatic close-up lenses

[Andre Langevin]

 >The Sigma (1,5 or 1,6 diopter) can also be found in 52mm and 62mm
(and "replace" Nikon 3T and 4T).  The 58mm was offered as a specific
CU for their 70-300mm lens. 
Fascinating. The famous "Achromatic Close-Up Lens Page"
(http://www.angelfire.com/ca/erker/closeups.html) mentions only the 58mm
version. And that was the only one I ever found on the B&H web page
(when it was available).
I have found a 52mm and a 62mm in used filter sections of canmera 
stores.  On the ring it says Sigma Achromatic.  Sellers knew what 
they were as their price was B+W like.

 >The Nikon 3T is a 52mm and the 5T is a 62mm, both are 1,5 diopter.
Same pattern for 4T and 6T (2,9 diopter).  I was thinking about
somebody using it on a typical Pentax normal lens with 49mm filter
size, but 62mm might in fact be more versatile as it would fit
"bigger" lenses like the 135/2.5 for example.
Both the 3T and 5T are supposedly for longer lenses (80mm-200mm)
Mark Roberts
They are indeed too weak for a normal lens, 4T and 6T would be better.

Andre

Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo

[Bob W]

Hi,

I did a long(ish)-distance cycle ride with my brother and his family
last summer. At the end I rather shocked my young nephews when I
said I was reminded of a small village in South-East Asia.

Nephews: What do you mean, Uncle Bob?
Me: Numh Kok!

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

Monday, January 19, 2004, 1:46:12 PM, you wrote:

> Something very few people who ride these bikes appreciate (maybe
> they don't even know) that the nerves that supply the penis pass along
> the perineum and the 'horn' of the saddle can easily damage those nerves
> beyond repair all it takes is one good hard jolt. A single one of those
> steps could do it. Impotence would be the result.

Re: rechargeable NiMH batteries, ist-D and last night

[bucky]

I have never experienced such a problem - it must be dependent on the camera.  
I've had very good battery life so far.  The batt. grip rocks, AFAIAC.



Quoting "Dr. Heiko Hamann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


> Did you use the battery grip? There seems to be some strange behaviour  
> when using NiMH and the grip. The camera tells you that the batteries  
> are empty, but when you remove the batteries from the grip, then the  
> *istD works fine. I don't know the reaosn, but it is under investigation  
> ;-).
> 
> Cheers, Heiko
> 
> 




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Re: AF 280/Sunpak 422/433

[Fred]

>>> Now if some one can give me fooolproof method for doing
>>> automatic daylight fill flash [flash underexposing by say 1/2 to
>>> 1 stop ] with an LX and thse two rigs I will be a happy bunny.

> Sure. Look here:
> 

What is scary is that:

1.  Cotty's mods were done by a ~Mac~ user, and

2.  I, a confirmed PC user, bought Cotty's original AF280T from him.

As I said, scary...

Fred

Re: Upcoming wedding, need shooting advice, lenses

[Butch Black]

Do the automated 1 hour machines that _print_ from negative film
scratch and spot it as much as the _developing_ machines do?

I've always meant to ask that question here, wedding or not.

-Lon

Yeah, it's sort of if one don't getcha the other will. Leader card film
developers are susceptible to scratching. Depending on what methods they are
using for dust removal you have 1 or 2 sources there plus the negative
carrier in the printer can scratch. Dust, especially in the winter, is
difficult to completely eliminate. The good news, some of the digital
minilabs, Noritsu in particular have Digital ICE for dust and scratch
removal.

Butch

Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.

Hermann Hesse (Demian)

Re: Another Show

[Lon Williamson]

Yeah, I'm afraid he's gonna get uppity, too.
Oh lord, an uppity lawyer...
But, way to go, Frank.
Grin. -Lon

Cesar Matamoros II wrote:
Frank,

Congratulations!  Awesome!

I hope you will still talk to us little people at GFMtn :-)

I have been tempted to compile a portfolio of shots that I truly enjoy of
mine.  You and other stories like it may cause me to start it.  Not that I
would be showing it off, more for friends who do ask.

"Why digital cameras = better photographers" - BBC news

[Steve Jolly]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3409155.stm

I can't really say I agree with them, but hey...

S

DA 16-45 tests

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

I've just looked at some mentioned tests:
http://forum.digitalfotonetz.de/viewtopic.php?t=5123.jpg
and wow! This lens is much sharper at f4 and comparable in center + much
sharper in corners than FA* 24/2 at f8! And it is still slightly better than
Tokina 20-35/2.8 at 24mm/f4. Nice done Pentax! I think this DA 16-45 will
become soon standard lens for many *istD users :-)

-- 
Best Regards
Sylwek

Re: (2)K/M on *istD

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jens Bladt" 
Subject: RE: (2)K/M on *istD


> Hi
> Hmmm: 46 lines pr. mm. Kind of poor, right. 

Wrong.
In real life, 40 LPPM is considered very good, 46 isn't too shabby at all.

William Robb

Re: OT- PMA Rumour Mill Starting Up

[Mark Roberts]

Lots of Fuji rumours as well:

* New DSLR to replace the S2 Pro 
By no means certain, but a reasonable prediction, I suppose.

* S2 replacement will be full-frame 
This is a bit dodgier: Fuji *is* in the enviable position of making
their own sensors, so it is remotely possible. They'd still want to keep
an APS-size DSLR in their product line, though.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo

[Dr E D F Williams]

That's the problem. Never, ever, sit on the seat when you go over rough
terrain. The man in the picture appears to be sitting. This reinforces the
premise that the picture is posed and the bike is not descending those
steps - at the time the picture was taken anyway. Perhaps that's why it's
been taken, or cropped, so close -- to hide the man holding the back wheel.

Don
___
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http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
See New Pages 'The Cement Company from HELL!'
Updated: August 15, 2003

"Oh my God! They've killed Teddy!"

- Original Message - 
From: "Ryan Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo


> I'll take a doctor's word for it ;-) But that's assuming he's sitting on
the
> seat.. I reckon he's just hovering over the rack (to change his centre of
> gravity and avoid the vibrations). Out of curiosity, prolonged sitting
> (without the jolts even) in that tiny seat has the same effect too doesn't
> it?
>
> Regards,
> Ryan
>
> PS. Hard to tell the mailing list is about camera equipment isn't it!
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dr E D F Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 11:46 PM
> Subject: Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo
>
>
> > Something very few people who ride these bikes appreciate (maybe
> > they don't even know) that the nerves that supply the penis pass along
> > the perineum and the 'horn' of the saddle can easily damage those nerves
> > beyond repair all it takes is one good hard jolt. A single one of those
> > steps could do it. Impotence would be the result.
> >
> > Don
> > ___
> > Dr E D F Williams
> > http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
> > Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
> > See New Pages 'The Cement Company from HELL!'
> > Updated: August 15, 2003
> >
> > "Oh my God! They've killed Teddy!"
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Ryan Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo
> >
> >
> > > I personally think it's a probability he biked it down- extreme
moutain
> > > biking's filled with all sorts of adrenalin junkies.. This example
> though
> > > would be at the more extreme end of extreme I suppose. Another example
> of
> > > scary would be hurtling down a very very long upward going escalator
> > (Mincom
> > > Building, Brisbane CBD- John, you'd know where wouldn't ya?) which a
> mate
> > of
> > > mine was lucky enough to witness. About the shot, if anything at all,
I
> > > think the photog made the stairs look a bit shorter (read: steeper)
than
> > > they actually were. Still.. looks good!
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Ryan
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message - 
> > > From: "keller.schaefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:31 PM
> > > Subject: Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo
> > >
> > >
> > > > I somehow feel that this is a staged shot too (but could be wrong).
I
> am
> > > not
> > > > saying that this was part of a guided bus tour where you can pose on
a
> > > bike
> > > > with the rear wheel bolted to the ground, but...
> > > >
> > > > With that kind of wide angle, the biker would need to ride very
close
> > past
> > > the
> > > > photographer - and the photographer wouldn't have a second chance
> unless
> > > the
> > > > biker climbed up again.
> > > >
> > > > Or do I have to assume that the shot was taken by another biker with
a
> > > camera
> > > > mounted to his bike and the shutter released pneumatically with his
> > teeth?
> > > >
> > > > Sven
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Zitat von Ryan Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > >
> > > > > Kinda makes me wonder how he got the bike up there in the first
> > place..
> > > And
> > > > > before that there also is the question why you'd think of bringing
> > your
> > > bike
> > > > > up there in the first place, unless you had the express intention
of
> > > cycling
> > > > > down.. Or then if it were me, I'd take my bike up just to pose for
> the
> > > photo
> > > > > and hope I don't lose my balance lol!
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Ryan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > - Original Message -
> > > > > From: "Ann Sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:28 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > aarrgh!  this needs a warning side for people with acrophobia!
> > > scry!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I didn't even notice the guy's butt - got dizzy looking down
that
> > long
> > > > > slope.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > annsan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo

[Frits Wüthrich]

On Mon, 2004-01-19 at 15:03, Ryan Lee wrote:

> 
> PS. Hard to tell the mailing list is about camera equipment isn't it!
> 
Everything related to photography, Pentax or both is strictly OT.
(Now I only need to remember whether OT was 'On Topic' or 'Off Topic')
-- 
Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo

[Ryan Lee]

I'll take a doctor's word for it ;-) But that's assuming he's sitting on the
seat.. I reckon he's just hovering over the rack (to change his centre of
gravity and avoid the vibrations). Out of curiosity, prolonged sitting
(without the jolts even) in that tiny seat has the same effect too doesn't
it?

Regards,
Ryan

PS. Hard to tell the mailing list is about camera equipment isn't it!

- Original Message - 
From: "Dr E D F Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo


> Something very few people who ride these bikes appreciate (maybe
> they don't even know) that the nerves that supply the penis pass along
> the perineum and the 'horn' of the saddle can easily damage those nerves
> beyond repair all it takes is one good hard jolt. A single one of those
> steps could do it. Impotence would be the result.
>
> Don
> ___
> Dr E D F Williams
> http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
> Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
> See New Pages 'The Cement Company from HELL!'
> Updated: August 15, 2003
>
> "Oh my God! They've killed Teddy!"
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Ryan Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:33 PM
> Subject: Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo
>
>
> > I personally think it's a probability he biked it down- extreme moutain
> > biking's filled with all sorts of adrenalin junkies.. This example
though
> > would be at the more extreme end of extreme I suppose. Another example
of
> > scary would be hurtling down a very very long upward going escalator
> (Mincom
> > Building, Brisbane CBD- John, you'd know where wouldn't ya?) which a
mate
> of
> > mine was lucky enough to witness. About the shot, if anything at all, I
> > think the photog made the stairs look a bit shorter (read: steeper) than
> > they actually were. Still.. looks good!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Ryan
> >
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "keller.schaefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo
> >
> >
> > > I somehow feel that this is a staged shot too (but could be wrong). I
am
> > not
> > > saying that this was part of a guided bus tour where you can pose on a
> > bike
> > > with the rear wheel bolted to the ground, but...
> > >
> > > With that kind of wide angle, the biker would need to ride very close
> past
> > the
> > > photographer - and the photographer wouldn't have a second chance
unless
> > the
> > > biker climbed up again.
> > >
> > > Or do I have to assume that the shot was taken by another biker with a
> > camera
> > > mounted to his bike and the shutter released pneumatically with his
> teeth?
> > >
> > > Sven
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Zitat von Ryan Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > > > Kinda makes me wonder how he got the bike up there in the first
> place..
> > And
> > > > before that there also is the question why you'd think of bringing
> your
> > bike
> > > > up there in the first place, unless you had the express intention of
> > cycling
> > > > down.. Or then if it were me, I'd take my bike up just to pose for
the
> > photo
> > > > and hope I don't lose my balance lol!
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Ryan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Ann Sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:28 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > aarrgh!  this needs a warning side for people with acrophobia!
> > scry!
> > > > >
> > > > > I didn't even notice the guy's butt - got dizzy looking down that
> long
> > > > slope.
> > > > >
> > > > > annsan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo

[Dr E D F Williams]

Something very few people who ride these bikes appreciate (maybe
they don't even know) that the nerves that supply the penis pass along
the perineum and the 'horn' of the saddle can easily damage those nerves
beyond repair all it takes is one good hard jolt. A single one of those
steps could do it. Impotence would be the result.

Don
___
Dr E D F Williams
http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
See New Pages 'The Cement Company from HELL!'
Updated: August 15, 2003

"Oh my God! They've killed Teddy!"

- Original Message - 
From: "Ryan Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo


> I personally think it's a probability he biked it down- extreme moutain
> biking's filled with all sorts of adrenalin junkies.. This example though
> would be at the more extreme end of extreme I suppose. Another example of
> scary would be hurtling down a very very long upward going escalator
(Mincom
> Building, Brisbane CBD- John, you'd know where wouldn't ya?) which a mate
of
> mine was lucky enough to witness. About the shot, if anything at all, I
> think the photog made the stairs look a bit shorter (read: steeper) than
> they actually were. Still.. looks good!
>
> Cheers,
> Ryan
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "keller.schaefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:31 PM
> Subject: Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo
>
>
> > I somehow feel that this is a staged shot too (but could be wrong). I am
> not
> > saying that this was part of a guided bus tour where you can pose on a
> bike
> > with the rear wheel bolted to the ground, but...
> >
> > With that kind of wide angle, the biker would need to ride very close
past
> the
> > photographer - and the photographer wouldn't have a second chance unless
> the
> > biker climbed up again.
> >
> > Or do I have to assume that the shot was taken by another biker with a
> camera
> > mounted to his bike and the shutter released pneumatically with his
teeth?
> >
> > Sven
> >
> >
> >
> > Zitat von Ryan Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > > Kinda makes me wonder how he got the bike up there in the first
place..
> And
> > > before that there also is the question why you'd think of bringing
your
> bike
> > > up there in the first place, unless you had the express intention of
> cycling
> > > down.. Or then if it were me, I'd take my bike up just to pose for the
> photo
> > > and hope I don't lose my balance lol!
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Ryan
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Ann Sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:28 PM
> > > Subject: Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > aarrgh!  this needs a warning side for people with acrophobia!
> scry!
> > > >
> > > > I didn't even notice the guy's butt - got dizzy looking down that
long
> > > slope.
> > > >
> > > > annsan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo

[Ryan Lee]

I personally think it's a probability he biked it down- extreme moutain
biking's filled with all sorts of adrenalin junkies.. This example though
would be at the more extreme end of extreme I suppose. Another example of
scary would be hurtling down a very very long upward going escalator (Mincom
Building, Brisbane CBD- John, you'd know where wouldn't ya?) which a mate of
mine was lucky enough to witness. About the shot, if anything at all, I
think the photog made the stairs look a bit shorter (read: steeper) than
they actually were. Still.. looks good!

Cheers,
Ryan


- Original Message - 
From: "keller.schaefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo


> I somehow feel that this is a staged shot too (but could be wrong). I am
not
> saying that this was part of a guided bus tour where you can pose on a
bike
> with the rear wheel bolted to the ground, but...
>
> With that kind of wide angle, the biker would need to ride very close past
the
> photographer - and the photographer wouldn't have a second chance unless
the
> biker climbed up again.
>
> Or do I have to assume that the shot was taken by another biker with a
camera
> mounted to his bike and the shutter released pneumatically with his teeth?
>
> Sven
>
>
>
> Zitat von Ryan Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Kinda makes me wonder how he got the bike up there in the first place..
And
> > before that there also is the question why you'd think of bringing your
bike
> > up there in the first place, unless you had the express intention of
cycling
> > down.. Or then if it were me, I'd take my bike up just to pose for the
photo
> > and hope I don't lose my balance lol!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Ryan
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Ann Sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: OT: Re: Another Bike Photo
> >
> >
> >
> > > aarrgh!  this needs a warning side for people with acrophobia!
scry!
> > >
> > > I didn't even notice the guy's butt - got dizzy looking down that long
> > slope.
> > >
> > > annsan
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>