Re: Pretty girl

[John Francis]

> 
> > MM.Frank,If thats an example of Canadian ladies,count
> me
> > in!Addresses please'
> > Regards Chris K
> 
> She's a bit plain compared to the girls on this side of Canada.
> WW

[Warning:   Non-Pentax photographs ahead.]


On the "It's a rotten job, but somebody's got to do it" front,
try this souvenir of my trip to Vancouver two years ago:



That's the "Miss Molson Indy" contestants.
Not a bad way to spend an hour or so on the Saturday afternoon ...

Then on race day (Sunday) I was heading out to the far side of
the track, and decided to take the water taxi.  When I got down
to the dock there was a boat just leaving, but the group waiting
didn't want to split into two groups, so there was still space
on the boat.  I boarded, and we headed out across the marina.
"Oh, look!" I heard "it's a *photographer*!!"  Looking round,
this is what I saw:



I even got the signature geodesic dome into the shot, although
most folks don't notice that until I point it out to them.

RE: Australia and Pentax - frustration (whinge)

[Alan Chan]

Tell you what David, save your trouble and fly to Japan this weekend. 

Regards,
Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
From: David Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Australia and Pentax - frustration (whinge)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:37:51 +1100
G'day,
   You may remember my problem with my *ist D, where the pop-up flash 
seemed to seize the camera's operations. After more of a fiddle I reckon 
that the problem probably indeed resides in the flash, or whatever 
mechanism charges and gives flash information to the main body. I never got 
the flash to fire but the shutter would release if I set the option of 
'release shutter when flash is charging'.
So, took the camera in to Australia's distributors (C.R. Kennedy, pyrmont 
office), who took it off my hands (should be gone for  around 3 weeks! 
Argh!). While I was there I asked if I could perhaps see some pentax gear. 
For some reason I thought the distributors might stock some equipment! Huh! 
(actually, they said they used to, but got cleaned out by burglars a couple 
of years ago)
Then visited a couple of largish camera shops in the city (Ted's and 
Fletchers), to see what they had. Camera deprivation had set in now and I 
was desperate! Yet again, I saw practically nothing - a few *ist Ds and 
film SLRS, one 18-35, the af360, but that's about all! The highlight was 
pretty much having a look at the sigma 12-24mm.
S! That's about the end of my whinge... oh wait - one more thing - to 
top it all off the meter on my K1000 has seized up!
Okay I think that's about it. Perhaps something constructive can come out 
of this topic anyway - I was wondering whether any of the Aus PDMLers can 
recommend a way to see some pentax gear. I think Melbourne CRK is the base 
- do they have a range of pentax gear? Any shops around that stock some? Is 
the world's driest inhabited continent totally pentax-equipment free?

...won't go outside won't look around won't admire the light won't make the 
pain of cameralessness more...
(-:

David

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Re[2]: PAW: Rainy day

[Boros Attila]

Hello Frank,

Thanks for your comments. The pastel colours were indeed what caught
my attention, and the contrast between the road and the houses on the
right.

At first I tought architecture is an easy subject, the buildings will
not move and won't mind if I take a photo, and they are just there,
waiting. But after I got my prints made, I realized something was
missing... The feeling of being there or some special mood which you
can feel looking at an old building. There are some old ecletic and
secession style buildings which can be a terrific subject once I
figure out how to photograph them.

Attila

Thursday, March 25, 2004, 5:54:53 AM, you wrote:

ft> I llike the mood in this one.

ft> I really like the pastel colours of the row houses, the old wood peeling and
ft> cracking.  There is just so much detail to absorb in this photo.

ft> To my mind there's much more of interest here than the rather stark
ft> architectural shots I've seen in past weeks.

ft> This street is vibrant and alive (even absent of people, except the car
ft> driver).

ft> Wonderful photo, Atilla.

ft> thanks,
ft> frank

ft> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist
ft> fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer

Colour profile comparison: sRGB vs Adobe 1998

[David Mann]

Someone asked the other day if there was a way to directly compare the 
gamuts of these two working spaces.

I realised today that I could do this with MacOS X's ColorSync utility.

http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/temp/srgb_adobe1998.jpg (130kb... be 
patient!)

The coloured plot is sRGB, the greyed-out one is Adobe RGB 1998.  Note 
that its a 2-D projection of a 3-D plot.

I can do more comparisons with other spaces if anyone is interested.

Cheers,

- Dave

http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

Re: PAW - Bryce Sunrise

[Bruce Dayton]

Frank,

Glad you liked the photo.  It makes me want to go camping too!
Hopefully GFM!

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Wednesday, March 24, 2004, 7:17:27 PM, you wrote:

ft> I'm so freaking behind on my PAW viewing, it's positively shameful!

ft> I don't think I'll have time to look at many other comments, but I want to
ft> make a few myself, and look at all the PAWs from the last several days.

ft> Bruce, this is just a lovely shot!  The colours of course are delicious.
ft> The horizon looks positively molten with the anticipated sun.

ft> Those two larger trees in the foreground really frame the sunrise nicely,
ft> and really make the shot, IMHO.

ft> This reminds me that I haven't been camping since I separated from the ex
ft> many years ago.  Ooooh, GFM's coming soon!  

ft> Thanks for a lovely photo, Bruce.

ft> cheers,
ft> frank

ft> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist
ft> fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




>>From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: PAW - Bryce Sunrise
>>Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:06:19 -0800
>>
>>Way behind on my weeks.  A few years ago, my brother-in-law and I
>>spent a night and day down at Bryce Canyon in Utah.  We did some night
>>photography that kept us out until about 3 am and then we hustled back to
>>our motel to get about 2 1/2 hours of sleep so we could catch the sunrise.
>>We were just a bit late and had to hurry to catch the sun coming up.
>>It only lasted about 5-10 minutes looking really nice.
>>
>>Shot on a PZ-1p with Agfa Ultra 50 film.
>>
>>
>>http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/0041-06.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>Bruce
>>
>>

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Re: Re;Politics inOz

[David Mann]

On Mar 25, 2004, at 17:03, mapson wrote:

I don't know whether AussieDollar is so strong or it's the case uf US$ 
being weak. Have we gained a lot against Euro and Pound?
FWIW the US dollar has been spectacularly bad lately.  Even the NZ 
dollar has been doing well against it.

- Dave

http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

RE: The Politics of Oz

[Paul Ewins]

The democratic part is that you only have to show up and have your name
ticked off. They don't check the completed ballot, so you can leave all
squares blank, which is the same as not voting. The system ensures that
everybody turns up and makes a decision on whether or not to vote for
somebody. Nobody ever has to vote for somebody the don't like.

For my next trick I'll try to explain how preferential voting works, and
the senate system. Or maybe not

Paul Ewins
Melbourne, Australia

-Original Message-
From: Tanya Mayer Photography [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
That is exactly what happens Keith!

When you turn 18, you are automatically placed on an electoral roll
where
you live.  Every time there is a voting day, you go in, have your name
ticked off and then go into the booth and vote.  If you don't have your
name
ticked off, you get fined.

Australia and Pentax - frustration (whinge)

[David Nelson]

G'day,
   You may remember my problem with my *ist D, where the pop-up flash 
seemed to seize the camera's operations. After more of a fiddle I reckon 
that the problem probably indeed resides in the flash, or whatever 
mechanism charges and gives flash information to the main body. I never 
got the flash to fire but the shutter would release if I set the option 
of 'release shutter when flash is charging'.
So, took the camera in to Australia's distributors (C.R. Kennedy, 
pyrmont office), who took it off my hands (should be gone for  around 3 
weeks! Argh!). While I was there I asked if I could perhaps see some 
pentax gear. For some reason I thought the distributors might stock some 
equipment! Huh! (actually, they said they used to, but got cleaned out 
by burglars a couple of years ago)
Then visited a couple of largish camera shops in the city (Ted's and 
Fletchers), to see what they had. Camera deprivation had set in now and 
I was desperate! Yet again, I saw practically nothing - a few *ist Ds 
and film SLRS, one 18-35, the af360, but that's about all! The highlight 
was pretty much having a look at the sigma 12-24mm.
S! That's about the end of my whinge... oh wait - one more thing - 
to top it all off the meter on my K1000 has seized up!
Okay I think that's about it. Perhaps something constructive can come 
out of this topic anyway - I was wondering whether any of the Aus 
PDMLers can recommend a way to see some pentax gear. I think Melbourne 
CRK is the base - do they have a range of pentax gear? Any shops around 
that stock some? Is the world's driest inhabited continent totally 
pentax-equipment free?

...won't go outside won't look around won't admire the light won't make 
the pain of cameralessness more...
(-:

David

Re: Mugwump

[Dr E D F Williams]

The word makes me shiver. Find it in William S. Burroughs -- Naked Lunch.

Don
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See Extra Pages 'The Cement Company from HELL!'
Updated: August 15, 2003

"Butters, you can't take Teddy's place."
- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: Mugwump


> Been a "real word" for as long as I can remember, to describe a
> fence-sitter.
>
> keith b. 1930...
>
> Christian wrote:
>
> > http://www.quinion.com/words/weirdwords/ww-mug1.htm
> >
> > funny thing is that my wife has used it as a nickname for our daughter.
I'm
> > not sure where she heard it the first time and she had no idea that it
was a
> > real word
> >
> > Christian
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: My own DOF confusion
> >
> >
> >
> >>"Mug-wump"?
> >>Sounds like something from Narnia.
> >>
> >>Collin
>
>

Re: F: Here is my WOW offering

[Dr E D F Williams]

This one is incredibly good. Only my poor wee mother's left eye looks too
big. Why not copy the right, reverse it and paste it on the left? That's the
only operation I performed that was any good. The rest is amateurish and not
up to scratch -- when compared to your expert work. For example my dress
repair is lousy compared to yours. I didn't know much about Photoshop
then -- and still don't. But a thought has just occurred to me. It's
possible I used Jasc PSP Pro and not Photoshop. It was at least five years
ago I did this job -- when the Epson 750 Photo was first released -- if that
helps to pin-point the date.

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"Butters, you can't take Teddy's place."
- Original Message - 
From: "Jostein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: F: Here is my WOW offering


> Don,
>
> I have posted my suggestion to: http://www.oksne.net/wow/wow4.html
>
> Please tell me what you think.
>
> Best,
> Jostein
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dr E D F Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:33 AM
> Subject: Re: F: Here is my WOW offering
>
>
> > I always knew great minds thought alike. I'll post what I did in a few
> > minutes. The details on your effort are very much better than mine. But
> you
> > had a better original to work with -- please don't think I'm making
> excuses.
> > The picture I fixed was scanned with a really bad old Primax scanner I
> > salvaged as it was being thrown out by a local company. The range of
tones
> > was terrible and that can seen on the fixed image.
> >
> > This is my fixed version:
> >
> > Big:
> >
> > http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/edfw/cuteye05.jpg
> >
> > Smaller version:
> >
> > http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/edfw/cuteye06.jpg
> >
> > It seems to be a bit red.
> >
> > To fix my dear mother's left eye I copied her right, reversed it, and
> pasted
> > it onto the left side of her face -- it's not perfect, but on the framed
> > print no alteration can be detected. The print actually looks like an
> > original old picture and is a whole lot browner than it appears on the
> > screen.
> >
>

My own Confucius

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Ann Sanfedele" 
Subject: Re: My own DOF confusion



> and I'm there too... almost exactly... 
> shall we form a club?

How about the GPDML?

William Robb

Re: Pretty girl

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Chris"
Subject: Pretty girl


> MM.Frank,If thats an example of Canadian ladies,count
me
> in!Addresses please'
> Regards Chris K

She's a bit plain compared to the girls on this side of Canada.
WW

Re: My own DOF confusion

[Ann Sanfedele]

Chris Brogden wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, William Robb wrote:
> 
> > > http://politicalcompass.org/
> > >
> >
> > Me and Ghandi seem to be in the same company (like exactly the same)
> > :-\
> >
> > William Robb
> 
> I'm even more left and libertarian than Ghandi, apparently.
> 
> chris

and I'm there too... almost exactly... 
shall we form a club?

annnsan

Re: Re;Politics inOz

[mapson]

2:God help us if the  Australian Democrats and their drunken leader ever got
sway.I wonder if you would like to be abused and accosted as a female by the
likes of him and his ilk.
Hmm.. Democrats you say. Isn't this the bunch that is there to 
"keep the bastards honest"? Isn't it the same bunch that said that would 
oppose GST being introduced and then they were the first to support Johnny 
Howard in its introduction. Yeah, they are good people, they are.

se,it's just that you get a fine if you don't.The reason the Australian
Dollar is strong at the moment is due to good economic management by the
current government.I know I could not have purchased half the items 6 monthe
to a year or so ago that I have been(and so have you)able to import of late.
Sorry to have to write this small piece,but I DO give a toss.
I don't know whether AussieDollar is so strong or it's the case uf US$ 
being weak. Have we gained a lot against Euro and Pound?

The housing boom has had some impact on us. The GST is generating a lot of 
money for the government.

Is it good for us? maybe? We are happy about little things - that we can 
buy our camera a few bucks cheaper from US. But we do't realise how much we 
overpay in other taxes.

Another issue we may wish to look at are the petrol prices. When the price 
of crude oil goes down, there is a little change at the pump. When the 
exchange rate goes in favour of OZ$, little change at the pump. BUT if 
crude oil goes up by 0.01c for 1000 barrels - there are price hikes 
straight away. Same for currency fluctuations.

I think we'd be better off without current management. I don't really know 
what Latham has to offer , but I hate JH (as you probably realised by now) 
with a passion! ;-) I am afraid that from the current party leaders there 
would be nobody that we would like to be the captain of this ship!

Written with care and no malice.
Chris Kennedy


   (*)o(*) 
Robert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

RE: PAW: Rainy day

[frank theriault]

I llike the mood in this one.

I really like the pastel colours of the row houses, the old wood peeling and 
cracking.  There is just so much detail to absorb in this photo.

To my mind there's much more of interest here than the rather stark 
architectural shots I've seen in past weeks.

This street is vibrant and alive (even absent of people, except the car 
driver).

Wonderful photo, Atilla.

thanks,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Boros Attila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PDML <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PAW: Rainy day
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:53:21 +0200
Hello,

It seems that I still have to wait for Spring to come in my town. Last
week I was walking on a narrow alley after the rain just stopped and
thought to take some pics. When I was ready to press the shutter I
heared that a car is approaching and waited for it to come into the
picture. Here is the result:
http://ns.atn.ro/~attila/paw/alley.jpg

Cropped and removed the highlights in Photoshop.

Attila


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Re: PAW: More Cows

[frank theriault]

Marnie,

If it makes you feel better, you may explain it to me.

As long as we all realize, you're doing it for your benefit, not mine.  


Or, we could wait for GFM.  After a few beers, I may be better able to feign 
interest.  

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

But, frank, the geek within in me WANTS to explain.

Marnie aka Doe  Biting tongue, hard. (Sheesh, I no longer do technical
support. Which I only did for brief stints anyway. Lousy job.)
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Re: PAW: More Cows

[frank theriault]

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PAW: More Cows
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:38:34 EST
In a message dated 3/15/2004 2:46:45 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>BTW, I don't ~want~ to get it.  Don't bother to explain.  I doubt that it
will enrich my life any...


>cheers,
frank, who may be a lot of things, but is not a geek
But, frank, the geek within in me WANTS to explain.

Marnie aka Doe  Biting tongue, hard. (Sheesh, I no longer do technical
support. Which I only did for brief stints anyway. Lousy job.)
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Re: PAW: More Cows

[frank theriault]

Steve (Your Bovinity, that is),

Sorry, I like the colour way better.  Don't know why, I just do...

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PAW:  More Cows
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:15:53 -0500
One more try. . .

Several folks have commented on how the muted colors in this picture
doesn't work for them.  So, how about in B&W :
http://home.wlu.edu/~desjardi/

Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
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Re: OT: B&W Piezo Carts for Epson Photo EX

[tigermoses]

I think www.missupply.com may also have a solution for your monchromatic ink needs

Re: taking a break for a while...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Lasse Karlsson"
Subject: Re: taking a break for a while...



>
> Post it to the list.

Umm, that is generally considered a fairly serious breach of
ettiquette on email lists.
I'm surprised you would even consider doing such a thing.
Or perhaps not.

William Robb

Re: My own DOF confusion

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Larson"
Subject: Re: My own DOF confusion


>
> http://politicalcompass.org/
>
>
> See where you stand.
> Me, I'm dead-center left right and north south.
> Steve Larson
> Redondo Beach, California


Me and Ghandi seem to be in the same company (like exactly the same)
:-\

William Robb

Re: taking a break for a while...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Lasse Karlsson"
Subject: Re: taking a break for a while...



> Secondly I hope the person who caused Tanya to be upset will make
sure this incident gets sorted out.
>
> Lasse

And perhaps at some point, you will learn to mind your own frigging
business.

Let it drop karlsson.

William Robb

RE: PAW Week 5

[frank theriault]

Well, it may not have been intended, but it sure is a cool shot!

What is that, some sort of trainer or something?  I keep thinking Chipmunk, 
but I'm sure their wings were above the fuselage, not below like that one.

Whatever, I really like that shot.  The moon is amazing!

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PAW Week 5
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:44:34 -0500
I haven't got a title for this one, since the one I had in mind is a 
blatant lie to anyone
who has even a trace of a clue.

This is the center 3rd of a 35mm frame.  I was at an air show and near the 
end of the
day I noticed the moon hanging in the sky just about where a number of the 
planes
taking off would have to pass, so this isn't quite a grab shot, but it 
wasn't quite planned
either.

http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PAW_--_Week5.html




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RE: PAW week 12 ERN

[frank theriault]

Eleanor,

That is such a cool shot!!

I like the justaposition of the rigid, inflexible green bars, so sleek in 
their "modern" design, against the feet, all "deformed" against the bars.

It says a lot, I think, about the manufactured world that many of us live 
in, and the way we are forced to modify ~ourselves~ to adapt to that 
artificial world.  It was supposed to be that changing the environment to a 
totally artificial one would serve the needs of mankind, however we've 
realized that in fact not only is it us who must conform to this "new" 
environment, the required modifications are much more destructive than those 
adaptations required to live a simpler life.

Or, it could just be a kid on a set of monkey bars.  

Okay, I got off on a tangent there, but it's a really neat photo, with lots 
of bright, pretty colours, and it got me to thinking, is all...

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PAW week 12 ERN
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:01:22 CST
http://members.aol.com/greenfalc1/paw04.htm

Didn't shoot much of anything during week 11; a lot of stuff to choose from 
in
week 12.

ERN

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Re: FlashTrax battery question

[Rob Studdert]

On 24 Mar 2004 at 20:00, Joseph Tainter wrote:

> I think some pdml*ists have this. Do the instructions say to run the 
> battery all the way down before recharging?

FlashTrax use a 2200mAh Li-Ion battery, these suffer no "memory effect" however 
they have a pretty finite life when used or not, 2-3yrs and it won't hold a 
charge. So don't be concerned charge it whenever you see fit.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
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Re: OT: Pretty Young Woman with a Cigarette (redux)

[Shel Belinkoff]

More better, indeed, Frank ...

Now, the film, APX 100 ... good choice for this shot,
although it looks (hard to tell fer shure) that you exposed
it at 100.  This looks to be a pretty contrasty scene -
lighting seems a bit harsh, dark clothes against a light
(white?) wall, mannequins in deep shadow.  A perfect
situation for "pulling" the film  shooting APX 100 @ ei
of 50 or 64 and developing 1:100 in Rodinal for about 15 to
17 minutes, depending on how the final print will be made
would be a good starting point.

I realized after posting my message that I screwed up on the
Capa/Capra thing.  It was CapRa who said, "If your photos
aren't good enough, hire a director of photography and make
movies."  

And of course you recalled correctly  ... you're just
being kind to this old fart tottering on the brink of
senility.

shel


frank theriault wrote:
> 
> Hi, Shel,
> 
> As you know, what I posted originally was uncropped.  I usually don't crop
> much, if at all, for a number of reasons which I won't go into here.
> 
> But, when I saw that photo, I was thinking that it did need cropping.  This
> is what I was thinking of:
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2231745
> 
> Your comments seem to bear out what I was more or less thinking.  Much of
> the white wall's gone.  She's off centre now, which is much more pleasing to
> my eye, and it also brings out the mannequins a bit more - I think they play
> off her better now.  It would have been nice to have more mannequin in
> there, but that's a mistake I made when I took the shot...
> 
> You'll just have to take my word that the print's sharp, I'm afraid.  One
> can read the printing on her handbag quite easily off the print, but it's a
> blur in the scan.
> 
> Re:  her cat eared hat;  well, I screwed up taking it against the white
> wall, and I don't know what I can do about that now - not much I fear.
> 
> So, I know it didn't do much for you first time, Shel.  Is this at least an
> improvement in your eyes?  Anyone else have any thoughts?
> 
> BTW, I didn't call it a PAW because I do like it as a snap, and as a photo
> of a pretty girl, but not a lot more.  I'm still interested in comments, so
> you all can be as brutal as you want.
> 
> Also, BTW, Shel, you're thinking of Robert Capa, no?  Capra was the
> director, IIRC.  

RE: PAW - Bryce Sunrise

[frank theriault]

I'm so freaking behind on my PAW viewing, it's positively shameful!

I don't think I'll have time to look at many other comments, but I want to 
make a few myself, and look at all the PAWs from the last several days.

Bruce, this is just a lovely shot!  The colours of course are delicious.  
The horizon looks positively molten with the anticipated sun.

Those two larger trees in the foreground really frame the sunrise nicely, 
and really make the shot, IMHO.

This reminds me that I haven't been camping since I separated from the ex 
many years ago.  Ooooh, GFM's coming soon!  

Thanks for a lovely photo, Bruce.

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PAW - Bryce Sunrise
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:06:19 -0800
Way behind on my weeks.  A few years ago, my brother-in-law and I
spent a night and day down at Bryce Canyon in Utah.  We did some night
photography that kept us out until about 3 am and then we hustled back to
our motel to get about 2 1/2 hours of sleep so we could catch the sunrise.
We were just a bit late and had to hurry to catch the sun coming up.
It only lasted about 5-10 minutes looking really nice.
Shot on a PZ-1p with Agfa Ultra 50 film.

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/0041-06.htm



Bruce


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Re: WOW (Was: Not Really a PAW - Pretty Young Woman with a Cigarette

[Shel Belinkoff]

Really looks quite flat on both my monitors.  Crop is pretty
good, although you clipped her purse ... Bad Lasse! Bad!


Lasse Karlsson wrote:
> 
> I like the picture, but it was a bit dark and the central position of her, along 
> with what can be spotted in the window didn't really click with me.
> 
> Hope you don't mind I did a quick WOW on it.
> I think I would have ended somewhere around here, although I am not quite sure if I 
> overdid it. (It's just a variation):
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2231794&size=lg
> 
> (I was surprised at what clothes she proved to be wearing, since the original was so 
> dark, I thought she was in a long dark overcoat and knitted stockings...)
>

FlashTrax battery question

[Joseph Tainter]

I think some pdml*ists have this. Do the instructions say to run the 
battery all the way down before recharging?

Some rechargeable batteries need to be fully discharged before 
recharging. If they are recharged with, say, 1/4 of a charge left, that 
will become the new "bottom." The next time, the battery will only 
charge to that point. This can be reversed, but it is a nuisance.

Let's say your FlashTrax has only 1/4 charge left. What do you do? It 
may not last for a day's shooting. OTOH, if you recharge it, the battery 
develops this memory problem. It seems to me that replaceable batteries 
would be better.

Anyway, I am considering the FlashTrax and wonder is someone can answer 
this.

Thanks,

Joe

Re: USA shopping list...

[Joseph Tainter]

"Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f2.8 XR DI MACRO (B&H USD$319) OR  Tokina 28-70mm
f/2.8 ATX Pro-SV (B&H USD$279)"
The reviews I've seen indicate a bit better optical quality in the 
Tamron. Both are extending barrel designs.

The Sigma 70-200 f2.8 is superb, and sharp even at f2.8. I got mine from 
KEH. Suggest you check their web site a few times a week.

Joe

RE: News story on eBay fraud

[David Miers]

But if your talking about the sale I think you are, that sale was plainly
marked.  Some people just can't read.  To the seller's credit he cancelled
the sale to avoid hard feelings on any side.  He could have legitimately
held those people to their bids IMHO.

-Original Message-
From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 1:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: News story on eBay fraud


Seems to me that applying the same rule you should in gambling would help.
Bid
(bet) no more than you can afford to lose.

Do you suppose these guys were responsible for the $400 bids on a empty box
awhile back?

--

Mark Roberts wrote:

> On C|NET, from the New York Times:
> http://news.com.com/2100-1038_3-5176525.html?tag=st_pop
>

--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com

"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: Cheapest -D on ebay I have ever seen

[Joseph Tainter]

50 bidders as of a this evening (in the western U.S.), 24 march. Good to 
see that so many want a Pentax dslr.

Joe

OT: Pretty Young Woman with a Cigarette (redux)

[frank theriault]

Hi, Shel,

As you know, what I posted originally was uncropped.  I usually don't crop 
much, if at all, for a number of reasons which I won't go into here.

But, when I saw that photo, I was thinking that it did need cropping.  This 
is what I was thinking of:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2231745

Your comments seem to bear out what I was more or less thinking.  Much of 
the white wall's gone.  She's off centre now, which is much more pleasing to 
my eye, and it also brings out the mannequins a bit more - I think they play 
off her better now.  It would have been nice to have more mannequin in 
there, but that's a mistake I made when I took the shot...

You'll just have to take my word that the print's sharp, I'm afraid.  One 
can read the printing on her handbag quite easily off the print, but it's a 
blur in the scan.

Re:  her cat eared hat;  well, I screwed up taking it against the white 
wall, and I don't know what I can do about that now - not much I fear.

So, I know it didn't do much for you first time, Shel.  Is this at least an 
improvement in your eyes?  Anyone else have any thoughts?

BTW, I didn't call it a PAW because I do like it as a snap, and as a photo 
of a pretty girl, but not a lot more.  I'm still interested in comments, so 
you all can be as brutal as you want.

Also, BTW, Shel, you're thinking of Robert Capa, no?  Capra was the 
director, IIRC.  

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Not Really a PAW - Pretty Young Woman with a Cigarette
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:19:08 -0800
Frank ...

I'm glad it's not really a PAW because it misses the mark a
little.  Doesn't work for me at all.
Frank Capra is said to have said "If your pictures aren't
good enough, you're not close enough."  All that wall on
the left doesn't add a thing to the photo. It appears you
could have gotten closer, and shown a little more of what
was going on in the shop window, too.  There's what seems
to be a nice contrast, a nice offset, between the woman
with the cigarette and the scene in the window.
The cat ears on the hat are barely visible ... I'd have
liked to have seen more of those ears.
The expression on the woman's face is great.  Clearly she
enjoyed having you photograph her.  Did you get her phone
number for future modeling shots?
It would be great if you could get a better scanner ... I
should talk - I don't even have one.  Hmm, maybe I should
get a sign and stand by the freeway exit, sign saying "Will
work for scanner."
shel

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WOW (Was: Not Really a PAW - Pretty Young Woman with a Cigarette

[Lasse Karlsson]

I like the picture, but it was a bit dark and the central position of her, along with 
what can be spotted in the window didn't really click with me.

Hope you don't mind I did a quick WOW on it.
I think I would have ended somewhere around here, although I am not quite sure if I 
overdid it. (It's just a variation):

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2231794&size=lg

(I was surprised at what clothes she proved to be wearing, since the original was so 
dark, I thought she was in a long dark overcoat and knitted stockings...)

Lasse

From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Hi, all,
> I haven't been around much these last few days.  I'll post later as to what 
> I've been up to (have to scan a bit first, so I can post what's been up).
> 
> Gee, seems I've missed a good flame war!  And I'd been ignoring it, thinking 
> it was about DOF.  Silly me.  
> 
> This really isn't a PAW.  It's just a snap of a pretty girl.  I liked her 
> hat with the little cat ears on it.  I asked if I could take her picture, 
> and she said yes, so I did:
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2231339
> 
> First (and only) roll back from my poor little Leica CL.  That thing takes 
> such sharp photos, I'm always amazed (you should see the print...).  Of 
> course, some of you may recall that it's back in the shop, due to my clumsy 
> butter fingers - sigh.
> 
> Anyway, I hope you like this pretty snapshot.  Comments are always welcome.
> 
> Now I have to sort through about 400 posts, then I have to scan some more, 
> and I'll let you know why I've been away.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
> fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
> 
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Re: The Politics of Oz (Re: My own DOF confusion

[Peter J. Alling]

Not a lecture per. se. but being non political doesn't mean you 
shouldn't vote, you should follow Heinlein's
theory of democracy.  If you can't find someone or something to vote 
for, you should find find someone or
something to vote against.  This is quite likely a more important task.  
You should especially vote against anyone
forcing you to vote.

Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:

Yeah me too Bob - its a pity that neither of these parties ever come to
power! It would be very cool to see the Labour and Liberal parties "out" for
a change! Even if it were just for the "change"...
Sh, don't tell anyone, but I generally don't vote, too much of a
headache for me, I am SO not into politics.  No flames intended here guys -
so no lectures about my "democratic rights" etc I just prefer not to vote.
I couldn't give a toss who "controls" the country actually, cause really, I
fear, that here in Aus, all of the Polly's are a bunch of twits and I'd
prefer not to be a party to it.
What gets me is that in a country that prides itself on democracy, we are
FORCED to vote.  I don't see the democracy in that! Lucky for me (well, in
my opinion), I've managed to avoid the lectural rolls thus far.
Ok, change of subject now, this is SOOO off topic...

Hasn't the weather been nice lately ;-)

tan.

-Original Message-
From: Bob W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 25 March 2004 7:55 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: The Politics of Oz (Re: My own DOF confusion
Hi,

 

A two dimensional scale is what I favour, with economical freedom on one
axis, and personal freedom on the other axis. Economical freedom is
measured by the responses to "am I free to do whatever business with
whoever I wish?" and personal freedom is measured by the responses to "am
I free to have sex and live together with whoever I wish?" I find that
this measurement system is quite good at pinpointing the ideologies of the
20th century, but it misses some other factors, like environmental issues,
so it's not perfect either.
   

I'm in favour of both types of freedom.

You can find out which Australian political party best suits your
needs here:
http://www.ozpolitics.info/fun/partyprf.htm
Apparently I'm 97% Australian Democrat and 88% Australian Green,
whatever that all means. Still, it's good news for Australia because,
as a native, I think I'm entitled to vote there.
Can I have my Fosters now?

--
Cheers,
Bob


 

Re: OT: B&W Piezo Carts for Epson Photo EX

[Mark Cassino]

Thanks, Andre - that's exactly what I'm looking for.

- MCC

MIS neither (www.inksupply.com) if you want to use a Continuous Flow 
System but they do supply simple cartridges:

http://www.inkjetart.com/archival_inks/quadinfo.html

You can also have quad black cartridges from Lyson.

Information about their neutral quad black inks:

http://www.lyson.com/products/quadblackframe.html

A distributor in the US (others in the UK, etc):

http://www.helixphoto.com/Digital/lyson/lysonqbink.html

Andre
-

Mark Cassino Photography

Kalamazoo, MI

http://www.markcassino.com

-

Re: digital infrared

[Mark Cassino]

At 11:56 PM 3/24/2004 +0100, Thomas Stach wrote:

pretty cool shots IMHO!
I can't wait to go out with the tripod and do this at ISO 200.
Have you done so in your shot #4328?
The IR effect is pretty neat - really unpredictable too. I shot all of 
those at ISO 400. Exposure times ranged from 20 seconds at f 11 or 16 to 
just 1 or 2 seconds at the same aperture.

It looks like the cloud is blurred from motion...very nice!
Yes - they were clipping across the sky at a pretty good pace - 15 to 20 
seconds is more than long enough to show blur. On the minus side I also got 
a lot of blur in foliage in other shots as well.

I'm rather amazed about this digital infrared. In "the olden days" you
had to use a special film, now you only need a filter. And also the
instant feedback is a great plus here - exposures on Kodak b/w infrared
often were difficult, because proper ISO-rating was weather dependant,
so to say.
I've played around with Kodak's High Speed Infared a few times - the 
exposures were really difficult to get right. Using the filter I can see 
why - places that meter about the same in the visible spectrum can be 
totally different with the IR filter on.

Another thought: Would it be possible to do color infrareds too, if we
use lets say an orange filter and then shift the whole color balance in
HVS mode? Or is the ratio of sensitivity between visible light and
infrared on the chip so 'bad' that a single exposure wouldn't work?
I'm not sure that a filter would affect IR (other than the varieties of IR 
filters) - I played around with the white balance settings a bit, but that 
seemed to just tweak the shade of lavender that the image came out 
in.  there does not seem to be much color other than the uniform 
reddish-lavender.

How about multiple exposures then, with and without filter...? Hmmm
Must be some way to work it out, at least it's a large field to
experiment in :-)
I had not thought about doing a multiple exposure using one IR shot and one 
regular (or filtered) shot - interesting idea!

What amazes me is that the camera still meters with the filter on it (the 
RM 90 is virtually black) - though not so accurately.  It also can 
autofocus through the filter, though it's painfully slow.

- MCC
-
Mark Cassino Photography

Kalamazoo, MI

http://www.markcassino.com

-

Re:Politics in Oz

[Chris]

By the By,Tanja and I have come to an exceedingly amicable agreement of
list,probably more due to her efforts than mine.Thanks Tanja!
Regards Chris K.

OT: Old Rolleicord II

[Fred Widall]

Thanks Collin, I'll pick up some Fuji Acros and give it a try. Its not a
film name I'd come across before. So far I've tried Agfa APX 100 & Ilford
Delta 100 in B&W, together with Kodak Portra for colour. The camera
certainly seems to be capable of excellent images, I just have to learn to
use it better. Being totally manual it requires a great deal more thought
than my MZ-7 for example. Also my developing skills have a long
way to go, so far I've only developed a dozen or so rolls, but I'm having
fun learning, and isn't that the main idea after all.

--
 Fred Widall,  PeopleSoft Developer,
 Applications Technology, Information Systems & Technology Dept,
 University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G1.
 Phone:(519) 885-1211 x6440
 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall
--

Politics of Oz

[Chris]

Hi again Keith,All voters(over 18)are registered and when they vote their
names are crossed off by polling booth officials and then you may vote
informal(put nothing on your paper or write a rude message etc) or vote
along party lines or individually tick each and evey one as to your
preference.If you don't show up as having at least attended for
Federal,State and council elections you receive a fine.Some frefer to pay
the fine.A brief  explanation!
Regards Chris K

Re: Just before I go...

[Keith Whaley]

Comments below:

Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:

lol - i'm addicted aren't i?

But anyways, just before I go, I wanted to post one of the reasons that I
work so hard...
Here she is, my very own Vegemite (yes that is what is all over her face).
Miss Molly-Rose, my beautiful girl...
http://www.tanyamayer.com/vegemitekid.jpg

And although not technically great, here is something to make you all
smile...  (and it is moments like this that put things into perspective for
me)
My biggest boy Jaimyn...

http://www.tanyamayer.com/jaimynslide.jpg
He looks like he's scared spitless!

keith

And now off to deal with some Bridezilla's...

tan.

Re: Not Really a PAW - Pretty Young Woman with a Cigarette

[Shel Belinkoff]

Frank ...

I'm glad it's not really a PAW because it misses the mark a
little.  Doesn't work for me at all.

Frank Capra is said to have said "If your pictures aren't
good enough, you're not close enough."  All that wall on 
the left doesn't add a thing to the photo. It appears you 
could have gotten closer, and shown a little more of what 
was going on in the shop window, too.  There's what seems 
to be a nice contrast, a nice offset, between the woman 
with the cigarette and the scene in the window.

The cat ears on the hat are barely visible ... I'd have
liked to have seen more of those ears.

The expression on the woman's face is great.  Clearly she
enjoyed having you photograph her.  Did you get her phone
number for future modeling shots?

It would be great if you could get a better scanner ... I
should talk - I don't even have one.  Hmm, maybe I should
get a sign and stand by the freeway exit, sign saying "Will
work for scanner." 

shel

frank theriault wrote:
> 
> Hi, all,
> 
> I haven't been around much these last few days.  I'll post later as to what
> I've been up to (have to scan a bit first, so I can post what's been up).
> 
> Gee, seems I've missed a good flame war!  And I'd been ignoring it, thinking
> it was about DOF.  Silly me.  
> 
> This really isn't a PAW.  It's just a snap of a pretty girl.  I liked her
> hat with the little cat ears on it.  I asked if I could take her picture,
> and she said yes, so I did:
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2231339
> 
> First (and only) roll back from my poor little Leica CL.  That thing takes
> such sharp photos, I'm always amazed (you should see the print...).  Of
> course, some of you may recall that it's back in the shop, due to my clumsy
> butter fingers - sigh.
> 
> Anyway, I hope you like this pretty snapshot.  Comments are always welcome.
> 
> Now I have to sort through about 400 posts, then I have to scan some more,
> and I'll let you know why I've been away.
> 
> cheers,
> frank

Re: taking a break for a while...

[Lasse Karlsson]

From: "Tanya Mayer Photography" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> naaah, Lasse, it's not worth the hassle, and I don't want to create any more
> bad energy around here.

Well it's your decision, Tanya.

However:

Don't worry about bad energy on the list, it will pass. If bad energy evolves it's not 
your doing, but maybe of the person who sent you the email or of list members whose 
reactions can be disregarded from.

>Plus, I'll be meeting the person at GFM and will
> sort it out with them then.

Or, you could sort it out now and you wouldn't have to go to the GFM feeling that you 
have an unpleasant personal matter to sort out when getting there.

> I am sure it is just a case of mistaken identity but I really didn't deserve being 
> spoken to like that.

This brings me to my point.

You wrote:
"an off-list email that not only blamed me for a post that was posted by somebody 
else, but also chastised me for "doing" it.
"now receiving this email, I am going to be taking a break from the list for a few 
days."
"I am really upset that the person in question would speak like that to me,
and over something that I didn't even do."
"this truly scares me that I can be come down on so hard for such a simple thing."

To sum it up, if I understand you correctly:
You received an unwanted email in private from another PDML list member who unfairly 
chastisized you, made you upset and truly scared you so much that it now makes you 
leave the list.
You also feel that you have been spoken to in a way that you don't deserve.

To me this is 1) a list issue, and 2) a possible case of harassment, which no member 
should have to put up with.

My suggestion to you, Tanya, to the list and to anyone who has had similar 
experiences, maybe got scared and stayed silent, or even left the list:

Post any unwanted emails emanating from the PDML directly to the list!
That's the only way we can get rid of this kind of problem, which probably have 
affected many more people than Tanya.
Should we, as the PDML, adopt such a general recommendation and practice, possible 
snipers would be held back, think twice about what they say and no PDML members would 
have to get scared to silence or leave in fear of getting subject to nasty "PDML" 
mails in private.

That's why I think that you Tanya should post it to the list. It would in the end only 
be for the better for all of us and for what I think most of us would like the PDML to 
be like.

Secondly I hope the person who caused Tanya to be upset will make sure this incident 
gets sorted out.

Lasse

> Anyways, its cool, I needed a break anyways before a hoard of angry clients
> looking for their photos comes and lynches me!
> tan.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Lasse Karlsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, 25 March 2004 9:51 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: taking a break for a while...
> 
> 
> From: "Tanya Mayer Photography" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Hi guys and gals,
> > Well, i have just received an off-list email that not only blamed me for a
> > post that was posted by somebody else, but also chastised me for "doing"
> it.
> > I am sad to say that after the events of the past few days on list, and
> now
> > receiving this email, I am going to be taking a break from the list for a
> > few days.
> >
> > I am really upset that the person in question would speak like that to me,
> > and over something that I didn't even do.  After all of this time and the
> > huge amounts of posts that I make, I thought that people would have much
> > more of an idea of "who" I am by now.  Obviously not, and this truly
> scares
> > me that I can be come down on so hard for such a simple thing.  I honestly
> > think that at the moment, my time is better spent working for my clients
> > than wasting my breath/time posting messages that mustn't be "hitting
> their
> > target".
> 
> Post it to the list.
> 
> Lasse

Just before I go...

[Tanya Mayer Photography]

lol - i'm addicted aren't i?

But anyways, just before I go, I wanted to post one of the reasons that I
work so hard...

Here she is, my very own Vegemite (yes that is what is all over her face).
Miss Molly-Rose, my beautiful girl...

http://www.tanyamayer.com/vegemitekid.jpg


And although not technically great, here is something to make you all
smile...  (and it is moments like this that put things into perspective for
me)

My biggest boy Jaimyn...

http://www.tanyamayer.com/jaimynslide.jpg

And now off to deal with some Bridezilla's...

tan.

Re: Mugwump

[Peter Loveday]

> > Hmm, and it just makes me think of the old 'Hunt the mugwump' game
> > (originally from unix? or is it older than that).  Obviously just too
much
> > of a geek :)
>
> Not enough of a geek, I'm afraid, Peter - the game was "Hunt the WUMPUS"

Ah! You are, of course, correct.  Shows how long its been, I don't think
I've played it since my CPM days, and even then not a lot :)


> For super-geek points:  Did you know that the game was played on a map
> which was isomorphic to the edges of a dodecahedron ?


Hmm, nope I didn't.  Interesting, I had always assumed it was semi-random.

Love, Light and Peace,
- Peter Loveday

Re: taking a break for a while...

[Robert & Leigh Woerner]

We love ya.

Robert
- Original Message -
From: "Tanya Mayer Photography" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 7:04 PM
Subject: RE: taking a break for a while...


>
> naaah, Lasse, it's not worth the hassle, and I don't want to create any
more
> bad energy around here.  Plus, I'll be meeting the person at GFM and will
> sort it out with them then.  I am sure it is just a case of mistaken
> identity but I really didn't deserve being spoken to like that.
>
> Anyways, its cool, I needed a break anyways before a hoard of angry
clients
> looking for their photos comes and lynches me!
>
> tan.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lasse Karlsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, 25 March 2004 9:51 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: taking a break for a while...
>
>
> From: "Tanya Mayer Photography" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Hi guys and gals,
> > Well, i have just received an off-list email that not only blamed me for
a
> > post that was posted by somebody else, but also chastised me for "doing"
> it.
> > I am sad to say that after the events of the past few days on list, and
> now
> > receiving this email, I am going to be taking a break from the list for
a
> > few days.
> >
> > I am really upset that the person in question would speak like that to
me,
> > and over something that I didn't even do.  After all of this time and
the
> > huge amounts of posts that I make, I thought that people would have much
> > more of an idea of "who" I am by now.  Obviously not, and this truly
> scares
> > me that I can be come down on so hard for such a simple thing.  I
honestly
> > think that at the moment, my time is better spent working for my clients
> > than wasting my breath/time posting messages that mustn't be "hitting
> their
> > target".
>
> Post it to the list.
>
> Lasse
>
>
>

Re: PAW - Bryce Sunrise

[Herb Chong]

it's some hardware. you have to borrow or buy one.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: PAW - Bryce Sunrise


> I'll look for Color Spyder. If it's free or got a free demo, I'll try it.

Re: Handled *istD Today

[Herb Chong]

used or new Mk 2?

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Handled *istD Today


> I had a play with Jostein's and I was impressed with it's build quality.
> I was not impressed with navigation buttons, preferring the Canons for
> that. I'm afraid the next body I buy will be in a year or two and will
> have 8MP CMOS and a crop of 1.3.

Re: Mugwump

[Ann Sanfedele]

Christian wrote:
> 
> http://www.quinion.com/words/weirdwords/ww-mug1.htm
> 
> funny thing is that my wife has used it as a nickname for our daughter.  I'm
> not sure where she heard it the first time and she had no idea that it was a
> real word
> 
> Christian
> 
And today I was talking to a friend on the phone
whose cat is named Mugwump.
(rather appropriate for a kitty cat!)  ON that
OTHER list i'm on, it is
mainly referred to as a "low probability bingo"  a
nice word one
would be unlikely to get to play in a Scrabble
game because there are 
(in the English version anyway) only two M's and 4
"U's, etc...

annsan

Re: USA shopping list...

[Herb Chong]

most of my work is destined for editorial stock to be printed no more than
full page. although the FA 80-320 is acceptably sharp for that, the
difference is noticeable compared to the FA* 80-200 at the larger sizes.
it's when i am walking around with medium low expectations for a saleable
shot that i use my 80-320 for the weight savings. i have a camera with me
and it will produce acceptable quality in case i run into something that i
just have to photograph (like my immature bald eagle). if i am going
somewhere specifically to take pictures, i try to take the top lenses all
the time. i'm rapidly gravitating to an all FA* or A* kit for my bird
photography. do you have a set of pictures taken with your FA* 250-600? i am
planning to order one (new) in the fall unless i come across one used in
excellent condition. i'm also eyeing an A* 1200 used, although i doubt that
will actually happen.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: USA shopping list...


> I have no illusions that the 80-320 will perform to the high standards of
> the 80-200/2.8 used alone.  But when I got the *ist-D I rethought what
> lenses I'd be using, and came to the conclusion that for a lot of what I
> do the 80-320 covered the focal length range I needed.  And as my primary
> purpose for many of the shots is for web use (or, at most, 1280 x 1024),
> (and image corner sharpness isn't the top concern when shooting race cars)
> I can quite often get away with just a single body and lightweight lens.
> I'll probably still carry the heavier glass on race day itself, but for
the
> practice and qualifying sessions I'll consider making things easy for
myself.
> I'm not getting any younger, and carrying a heavy equipment load around
> all day (especially in hot California sunshine) was beginning to be tough.

OT: Mugwump

[John Francis]

Peter Loveday mused thusly:
 
> Hmm, and it just makes me think of the old 'Hunt the mugwump' game
> (originally from unix? or is it older than that).  Obviously just too much
> of a geek :)

Not enough of a geek, I'm afraid, Peter - the game was "Hunt the WUMPUS"

For super-geek points:  Did you know that the game was played on a map
which was isomorphic to the edges of a dodecahedron ?

OT: The Politics of Oz (Re: My own DOF confusion

[Bob W]

Hi,

> A two dimensional scale is what I favour, with economical freedom on one
> axis, and personal freedom on the other axis. Economical freedom is
> measured by the responses to "am I free to do whatever business with
> whoever I wish?" and personal freedom is measured by the responses to "am
> I free to have sex and live together with whoever I wish?" I find that
> this measurement system is quite good at pinpointing the ideologies of the
> 20th century, but it misses some other factors, like environmental issues,
> so it's not perfect either.

I'm in favour of both types of freedom.

You can find out which Australian political party best suits your
needs here:
http://www.ozpolitics.info/fun/partyprf.htm

Apparently I'm 97% Australian Democrat and 88% Australian Green,
whatever that all means. Still, it's good news for Australia because,
as a native, I think I'm entitled to vote there.

Can I have my Fosters now?

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

Re: Handled *istD Today

[Cotty]

On 24/3/04, WOERNER CARDIGAN OUT discumbobulated:

>???
>
>
>, WOERNER BROTHERS discumbobulated:
>
>"From"  has my name and my wife's name. She's a woman. :-)

Well I could hardly put WOERNER HUSBAND AND WIFE now could I ?

(Keep 'em guessing)


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps
_

Re: My own DOF confusion

[Anders Hultman]

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, graywolf wrote:

> Excellent description Anders. The only thing is I think it is more of
> a circle with the left and right at less than 90 degrees and the Ultra
> left and Ultra right between 90 and 180 degrees. The thing the Ultras
> seem to have in common is a very strong believe in authoritism (to the
> point of, "do what we say or we will kill you").

Yes, many people think that the one dimensional left--right scale is too
limited to describe the wild variety of ideologies that exist nowadays,
and I agree, but I'm not so convinced that a circle would be better or
that the ultra left and ultra right would meet "at the far end" (save for 
beating up each other, good point there Lasse).

A two dimensional scale is what I favour, with economical freedom on one
axis, and personal freedom on the other axis. Economical freedom is
measured by the responses to "am I free to do whatever business with
whoever I wish?" and personal freedom is measured by the responses to "am
I free to have sex and live together with whoever I wish?" I find that
this measurement system is quite good at pinpointing the ideologies of the
20th century, but it misses some other factors, like environmental issues,
so it's not perfect either.

anders
-
http://anders.hultman.nu/
med dagens bild och allt!

RE: My own DOF confusion

[Anders Hultman]

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:

> Actually, that was probably poor judgement on my behalf to ask this
> question.  I just hear the terms used by Americans all the time, but we
> don't use them here in Oz 

You don't? That's interesting. They're very often used in European
politics, even in the official names of political parties. The meaning
differ from country to country, though. 

For instance, there is a party in Sweden which name in English translation
means "The Left Party", and they are radical socialists, of which some
even call themselves communists. At the same time, in Denmark, there is a
party which name in English translation also means "The Left", and they
are more of classical liberals, an ideology originally considered left but
nowadays more often considered to be middle or right on an European scale. 

I suppose, though, that the Danish left party really whould be considered
left on an American scale.  "Left" and "right" means quite different
things in the US and in Europe, and actually slightly different things in
Nothern and Southern Europe as well.

anders
-
http://anders.hultman.nu/
med dagens bild och allt!

RE: Double Exposure:paw

[brooksdj]

Hi Dave.
The f stop on the lens was at 5.6 which with the converter is f 11 no?
I shot this just after a long discussion on the list about moon exposure and 
converters,so
i think i cal'd it 
correctly.
S,Shutter was 1/125,Ap at 5.6 and the 2x converter.
Sorry for the confusion.

Dave 

> You used [EMAIL PROTECTED] for the moon exposure. 
And with the converter attached what
> would the f stop equivalent be?  Minus 2 stops right?  We just had a
> conundrum of how to expose the moon properly in class, and to my surprise it
> was the sunny 16 rule which is [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Your exposure is one stop less with
> the converter 2 stop loss correct or were you calculating the aperture
> difference already when you quoted the f11?  Either way I love the image and
> way to go!
> 
> Dave
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:04 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Double Exposure:paw
> 
> 
> Hi Boris.
> Thanks for the comments.
> Actually i did that placement on purpose,just to be a bit different.
> Yes the total with 2x converter would be 400mm.Not as large as i hoped but
> still pleasing.
> 
> Dave
> 
>   > Hi!
> >
> > Dave, what strikes me as particularly pleasing here is that you placed
> > the moon in the mid bottom. The cliche/custom/majority has it either
> > in top left or on top right corner occupying big portion of the shot.
> >
> > You did it rather unusually and it works just fine for me...
> >
> > So, total focal length was 400 mm, right? Fascinating...
> >
> > Boris
> > ([EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED])
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Cheapest -D on ebay I have ever seen

[Andre Langevin]

Not a word on the identity of the lens that comes with the body!

Andre

Re: F: Here is my WOW offering

[Jostein]

Don,

I have posted my suggestion to: http://www.oksne.net/wow/wow4.html

Please tell me what you think.

Best,
Jostein


- Original Message - 
From: "Dr E D F Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: F: Here is my WOW offering


> I always knew great minds thought alike. I'll post what I did in a few
> minutes. The details on your effort are very much better than mine. But
you
> had a better original to work with -- please don't think I'm making
excuses.
> The picture I fixed was scanned with a really bad old Primax scanner I
> salvaged as it was being thrown out by a local company. The range of tones
> was terrible and that can seen on the fixed image.
>
> This is my fixed version:
>
> Big:
>
> http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/edfw/cuteye05.jpg
>
> Smaller version:
>
> http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/edfw/cuteye06.jpg
>
> It seems to be a bit red.
>
> To fix my dear mother's left eye I copied her right, reversed it, and
pasted
> it onto the left side of her face -- it's not perfect, but on the framed
> print no alteration can be detected. The print actually looks like an
> original old picture and is a whole lot browner than it appears on the
> screen.
>

Re: My own DOF confusion

[Collin Brendemuehl]

-- Original Message --
>
>Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:45:44 +
>From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>On 23/3/04, CRB discumbobulated:
>
>>> >Being British, I'd just like to apologise.
>>
>>Will you apologize for Jaguars as well?
>
>Of course. Especially as they are now run by Ford (is it?) - an even
>bigger apology!
>
>
>Cheers,
>  Cotty

Perhaps my request was hasty on Jaguars!
I think it's us who should therefore apologize to you.

Collin

--
-

"You can impress people at a distance, but you can only impact them up close."

-- Howard Hendricks
--

Re: Mugwump

[Keith Whaley]

Been a "real word" for as long as I can remember, to describe a 
fence-sitter.

keith b. 1930...

Christian wrote:

http://www.quinion.com/words/weirdwords/ww-mug1.htm

funny thing is that my wife has used it as a nickname for our daughter.  I'm
not sure where she heard it the first time and she had no idea that it was a
real word
Christian

- Original Message - 
From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: My own DOF confusion



"Mug-wump"?
Sounds like something from Narnia.
Collin

Re: My own DOF confusion

[Collin Brendemuehl]

Huh?

>Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:08:56 + 
>From: Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>
>
>Collin's absurd caricature of the left. 
>
>-- 
>Cheers, 
>Bob 


--
-

"You can impress people at a distance, but you can only impact them up close."

-- Howard Hendricks
--

Re: My own DOF confusion

[Collin Brendemuehl]

That's a fascinating way to look at the issue
and I realize that you're not alone.
A friend from France wonders why we in the US
(on both sides of the issue) worry about it.
Somewhat the same avoidance of the issue.

A few years ago I had an interesting conversation in this vein
with a lady, along with her parents, while sitting in (IIRC) 
O'Hare airport.  She wondered about our freedoms and stated that we
don't need the KKK -- they should be outlawed and eliminated.
My reponse was that the KKK is a problem, but I'd rather be stuck 
with them than have a government controlling what we think on issues
(and punish us if we violate the standards, as does Political
Correctness).  My concluding remark was that "I'd rather be free."
At that point she shoot her head with a lack of understanding
but her parents nodded in agreement.

Many in the US see the issue as yet important because we are willing
to struggle with the tension of maintaing freedom.  There are
totalitarian extremes of all sorts that are the real competition,
with the Left** being a concern to many of us.

Collin

** "Left" should be understood as those holding to dialectic imperatives
which are used to manipulate liberties and social structure.
It does not mean simply "socialist", but goes much further.
It occurs here in class conflict and ethnic conflict which are
contrived to create political pressure.

>Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:32:01 +0200 
>From: "Raimo K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>
>Correct - and it is quite un-meaningful nowadays to debate about who sits on 
>the right side or on the left side. 
>All the best! 
>Raimo K 
>Personal photography homepage at: 
>http:\\www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho 

Mugwump

[Christian]

http://www.quinion.com/words/weirdwords/ww-mug1.htm

funny thing is that my wife has used it as a nickname for our daughter.  I'm
not sure where she heard it the first time and she had no idea that it was a
real word

Christian

- Original Message - 
From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: My own DOF confusion


> "Mug-wump"?
> Sounds like something from Narnia.
>
> Collin
>

Re: My own DOF confusion

[Collin Brendemuehl]

"Mug-wump"?
Sounds like something from Narnia.

Collin


Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:26:54 -0800 
>From: Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>
>If you choose otherwise, we'll have to stop calling you a mug-wump. 
>
>keith 
>
>Cotty wrote: 
>
>> I used to sit on the fence, but now I'm not so sure. 
>> 
>> Cheers, 
>>   Cotty 

Re: OT: Scanner Opinion

[Jay Todd]

Collin,
Long discontinued item so I assume you are getting it cheap.  I have 
one at home; started using it on SCSI, and now USB on a laptop, having 
to revert back to OS9 to use, though.  As far as scanning, I mostly use 
it for transparencies using the optional lid (up to 4x5).  For the 
price, I think it works pretty well.
Jay
On Wednesday, March 24, 2004, at 10:23 AM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

Thoughts on the Epson Perfection 1640su?

CRB

Re: To the list or not to the list (was My own DOF ...)

[Bob W]

Hi,

Wednesday, March 24, 2004, 6:58:50 PM, Ann wrote:

> Why isn't easier to reply off list?  Is there no
> way to do this without
> (in my mail at least) having to copy and paste the
> writer's address into
> another window.

In most of the mail clients I've used you can use Reply All and just
remove the list address. That's what I do.

> Can't it be set up so that one
> can hit "reply' in whatever
> mail server one is using and it will only be sent
> to the person to whom
> one wants to replY?  and using "Reply all" would
> send it to the list as
> well, but it would have to be a conscious
> decision.

I'm on another list which has that and I really don't like it. Perhaps
that's because I'm used to the behaviour of this one.

If most of your replies are to the list - which I suspect is true for
most people on this list - then having 'Reply' set up to reply to the
individual only will cause an awful lot of extra work for a lot of people.
They would have to hit 'Reply All' - getting everybody to remember would
be quite a feat - then strip out the individual's name so it only went to
the list. Otherwise the individual would get 2 copies, which causes even
more work as they then have to delete the duplicates, and remember
which one to reply to. If you reply to the wrong one it will go to the
other individual, not to the list, and so on. As far as I remember it
was set up rather like this when I first subscribed, and it wasn't
successful even with the lower volumes of email back then.

> The other point is simply that I think signature
> lines, no matter what
> they say (beyond one's name and "address",
>  are one of the most annoying features of email. 

Amen. But they can very revealing!

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

RE: Double Exposure:paw

[David Miers]

You used [EMAIL PROTECTED] for the moon exposure. And with the converter attached what
would the f stop equivalent be?  Minus 2 stops right?  We just had a
conundrum of how to expose the moon properly in class, and to my surprise it
was the sunny 16 rule which is [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Your exposure is one stop less with
the converter 2 stop loss correct or were you calculating the aperture
difference already when you quoted the f11?  Either way I love the image and
way to go!

Dave

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:04 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Double Exposure:paw


Hi Boris.
Thanks for the comments.
Actually i did that placement on purpose,just to be a bit different.
Yes the total with 2x converter would be 400mm.Not as large as i hoped but
still pleasing.

Dave

> Hi!
>
> Dave, what strikes me as particularly pleasing here is that you placed
> the moon in the mid bottom. The cliche/custom/majority has it either
> in top left or on top right corner occupying big portion of the shot.
>
> You did it rather unusually and it works just fine for me...
>
> So, total focal length was 400 mm, right? Fascinating...
>
> Boris
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED])
>

Re: My own DOF confusion

[Raimo K]

Correct - and it is quite un-meaningful nowadays to debate about who sits on
the right side or on the left side.
All the best!
Raimo K
Personal photography homepage at:
http:\\www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho


- Original Message - 
From: "Anders Hultman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: My own DOF confusion


> On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
>
> > This may seem uneducated of me - but I here you all saying "i'm right of
> > centre", "he's left", "left winged", "right winged" etc, can someone
please
> > explain to me just what these terms mean?
>
> This dates back to the French parliament of 1789 where the radicals that
> wanted to change society towards more equality and freedom sat to the left
> as seen from the rostrum, and the conservatives that wanted to maintain
> the old system sat to the right. Since then, liberal politics has been
> labeled "left" and conservative politics has been labeled "right".
>
> In the mid 19th century, an even more radical ideology was formed,
> socialism, to the "left" of the then current left. This blurred the
> left--right concept somewhat, since the liberals then became "middle" or
> even "right". The left--right concept became even more blurred in the
> 1930's when fascism and nazism was placed off the scale to the right
> ("extreme right") even though many people think that they have more in
> common with the communists on the "extreme left" (left of the socialists)
> than with the conservatives traditionally labeled "right".
>
> Nowadays, it can be hard to determine what should be called "left" and
> "right" and there also are big differences within each side, so one should
> generally ask for clarification when these terms are used. Especially in
> an international context such as this.
>
> anders
> -
> http://anders.hultman.nu/
> med dagens bild och allt!
>

Re: OT: Old Rolleicord II

[Raimo K]

2.8F is a great camera - I have 3.5F (Xenotar) and it´s not bad either.
I think someone in the former Yugoslavia - EFKE - still makes film in 4x4
size.
Check this address: http://medfmt.8k.com/bron127film.html
It is a good size, I would buy one camera if there were more films available
for it.
All the best!
Raimo K
Personal photography homepage at:
http:\\www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho


- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Old Rolleicord II


> Hi Collin,
>
> I almost had one of those 2.8Es, but was outbid in the final 3 hours.
> 5 days as the only bidder, and the flurry came when I lay my weary head
> down for a nap...
>
> So, I'm still looking!
> Lovely old cameras...
>
> I still have a lovely old Yashica-44, a 4X4 cm TLR, and I'll have to see
> if someone makes some very fine 127 film for that. B&W or color.
>
> Too bad Neopan Acros is only made in 135 and 120 sizes!
>
> keith whaley
>
> Collin R Brendemuehl wrote:
> > Nice.
> > You should see the results from a 70s vintage 2.8E.
> > My son's Schneider Xenotar  produces some images
> > that easily rival the 4x5 Symmar work I did.
> > He used Acros and I used (I forget what).
> > But Acros in these things is outstanding.  Give it a go.
> >
> > Collin
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: My own DOF confusion

[Raimo K]

Thinking? He does think... are you sure?
All the best!
Raimo K
Personal photography homepage at:
http:\\www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho


- Original Message - 
From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 2:52 PM
Subject: RE: My own DOF confusion


> Excellent answer.
>
> The line between is more blurred than it was 80 years ago.
> We have a moderate "liberalism/socialism" in the US,
> maintained since the late 19th c. This encompasses a large segment
> of the population that sees the need to care for human need.
>
> But the Left and Right both still exist and are at odds.
> In US *policy* it's the difference between Ronald Regan's Federalism
> (W is simply not as refined in his thinking as the US really needs)
> versus the work to help the few remaining Communist systems to survive
> approach of the Clinton years.
>
> Collin
>
> p.s., Please don't flame me, anyone.  If this is that personal to you,
> seek help immediately.  :)  And smile on the way.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> >Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:34:51 +0100 (MET)
> >From: Anders Hultman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
> >
> >> This may seem uneducated of me - but I here you all saying "i'm right
of
> >> centre", "he's left", "left winged", "right winged" etc, can someone
please
> >> explain to me just what these terms mean?
> >
> >This dates back to the French parliament of 1789 where the radicals that
> >wanted to change society towards more equality and freedom sat to the
left
> >as seen from the rostrum, and the conservatives that wanted to maintain
> >the old system sat to the right. Since then, liberal politics has been
> >labeled "left" and conservative politics has been labeled "right".
> >
> >In the mid 19th century, an even more radical ideology was formed,
> >socialism, to the "left" of the then current left. This blurred the
> >left--right concept somewhat, since the liberals then became "middle" or
> >even "right". The left--right concept became even more blurred in the
> >1930's when fascism and nazism was placed off the scale to the right
> >("extreme right") even though many people think that they have more in
> >common with the communists on the "extreme left" (left of the socialists)
> >than with the conservatives traditionally labeled "right".
> >
> >Nowadays, it can be hard to determine what should be called "left" and
> >"right" and there also are big differences within each side, so one
should
> >generally ask for clarification when these terms are used. Especially in
> >an international context such as this.
> >
> >anders
> >-
> >http://anders.hultman.nu/
> >med dagens bild och allt!
> >
> >
> >End of pentax-discuss-d Digest V04 Issue #674
> >*
> >
>
> --
> -
>
> "You can impress people at a distance, but you can only impact them up
close."
>
> -- Howard Hendricks
> --
>

Re: My own DOF confusion

[Raimo K]

Good point - and it brings this On Topic.
All the best!
Raimo K
Personal photography homepage at:
http:\\www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho


- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: My own DOF confusion


> Yes. It's also good to understand our own philosophies and views. It
affects
> how we see the world. It affects how journalists present the world in
their
> photography. Perhaps it affects how we present our photography.
>
> Regards,
> Bob...
> 
> They call it PMS because Mad Cow Disease
> was already taken.
>   - Anonymous, presumed dead.
>
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> > This sounds strangely familiar.  If you are opposed to the war you are
> suddenly accused of being an anti american marxist.  It has nothing to do
> with you, but somebody has concluded that this is what you are.
> >
> > I think you found the real problem here.  We should listen more to what
> people say, in stead of telling them what they are.
> >
> > DagT
> >
> > > Fra: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > I am a Christian & right of center.
> > >
> > > I am continually accused of all manner of things that have nothing to
do
> > > with me or anyone I know. It's as though someone made an elaborate
> > > caricature and assigned to it all sorts of ridiculous extremes. Then
all
> > > that's necessary for amusement is the accusations. Not as much fun as
> tar
> > > and feathers, but it's legal.
>

Re: My own DOF confusion

[Peter J. Alling]

I don't know what it is about this but the only thought that came to my mind
was...   "Picket Fence?"
Cotty wrote:

I used to sit on the fence, but now I'm not so sure.



Cheers,
 Cotty
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Re: My own DOF confusion

[Peter J. Alling]

I dunno, Jaguar was one of the few Marques that Ford could really 
improve reliability by buying...

Cotty wrote:

On 23/3/04, CRB discumbobulated:

 

Being British, I'd just like to apologise.
   

Will you apologize for Jaguars as well?
   

Of course. Especially as they are now run by Ford (is it?) - an even
bigger apology!
Cheers,
 Cotty
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Re: My own DOF confusion

[Bob W]

Hi,

Wednesday, March 24, 2004, 8:24:15 AM, Bob wrote:

> I am a Christian & right of center.

> I am continually accused of all manner of things that have nothing to do
> with me or anyone I know. It's as though someone made an elaborate
> caricature and assigned to it all sorts of ridiculous extremes. Then all
> that's necessary for amusement is the accusations. Not as much fun as tar
> and feathers, but it's legal.

which rather neatly rounds everthing off by bringing us right back to
Collin's absurd caricature of the left.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

Re: PAW - Bryce Sunrise

[Eactivist]

>In a message dated 3/24/2004 11:30:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>I don't know what the "thingee that came with Elements" is,
but I'd like to recommend the Color Spyder.  I borrowed a
friend's and it worked a lot better than the "thingee" that
came with Photoshop.

>Is the thingee with elements a physical device, or just some
software that you use to adjust the monitor by eye?

By eye, which is rather subjective, naturally.

I'll look for Color Spyder. If it's free or got a free demo, I'll try it.

The thingee is to set up a profile for Elements. It also calibrates the 
monitor re gamma, etc.

I think it's a separate software thingee just like with Photoshop. The same 
thingee. But I have pulled out the manual now. 

LOL.

Marnie aka Doe   The below may be my new sig.
--
I'm not lazy -- I'm just busy. Or that is what I tell myself, anyway.

Re: My own DOF confusion

[graywolf]

Well, it can not be too accurate as I keep wanting a neutral response. However, 
I would say the results do seem to reflect my views (2.5 left, 4 libertarian), 
but maybe they come across a little too stongly. I did notice that it is set up 
to show those as negative values. Well, I have been told I am a negative person 
(grin).

Steve Larson wrote:

http://politicalcompass.org/

See where you stand.
Me, I'm dead-center left right and north south.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California


--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: Moving to AF: PZ1P or MZ-S? Pentax or Nikon?

[mike wilson]

Hi,

Patrick Pritchard wrote:
> I've never really liked Canon.  Not sure why; I've used them, but then
> again only the lower grade stuff such as the Rebel X.  Perhaps an EOS-1
> might be better?  Can anyone comment on the EOS-1 AF, or point me to
> some resources?

I've had a good play with a 3.  [And Cotty let me hold his, once 8-)]
For some reason, I find them unwieldy and unpleasant to use.  There
seems to be a lack of delicacy to the controls.  That's probably a good
thing for a PJ uberkamera but, for me, it detracts from the pleasure of
using it.

mike

Re: Handled *istD Today

[Robert & Leigh Woerner]

???


, WOERNER BROTHERS discumbobulated:

"From"  has my name and my wife's name. She's a woman. :-)

Re: PAW - Bryce Sunrise

[Shel Belinkoff]

I don't know what the "thingee that came with Elements" is,
but I'd like to recommend the Color Spyder.  I borrowed a
friend's and it worked a lot better than the "thingee" that
came with Photoshop.

Is the thingee with elements a physical device, or just some
software that you use to adjust the monitor by eye?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Yup. But I probably need to do it again. I used the thingee that came with
> Elements to do it. And I do seem to have lost my profile for scanning, so need
> to do it again. Now I just have to find the thingee. Guess I'll have to break
> down and pull out the manual. ;-)
> 
> It's also just possible that I need to see more details in dark than others
> do. Or that I see dark as darker.

Re: My own DOF confusion

[Keith Whaley]

If you choose otherwise, we'll have to stop calling you a mug-wump.

keith

Cotty wrote:

I used to sit on the fence, but now I'm not so sure.



Cheers,
  Cotty

Re: My own DOF confusion

[Cotty]

I used to sit on the fence, but now I'm not so sure.



Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: My own DOF confusion

[Otis Wright]

A hearty second from here..

Otis Wright

Keith Whaley wrote:

Good, safe answer, Anders!

Thanks for the history lesson.

keith whaley

Anders Hultman wrote:

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:


This may seem uneducated of me - but I here you all saying "i'm 
right of
centre", "he's left", "left winged", "right winged" etc, can someone 
please
explain to me just what these terms mean?


This dates back to the French parliament of 1789 where the radicals that
wanted to change society towards more equality and freedom sat to the 
left
as seen from the rostrum, and the conservatives that wanted to maintain
the old system sat to the right. Since then, liberal politics has been
labeled "left" and conservative politics has been labeled "right".

In the mid 19th century, an even more radical ideology was formed,
socialism, to the "left" of the then current left. This blurred the
left--right concept somewhat, since the liberals then became "middle" or
even "right". The left--right concept became even more blurred in the
1930's when fascism and nazism was placed off the scale to the right
("extreme right") even though many people think that they have more in
common with the communists on the "extreme left" (left of the 
socialists) than with the conservatives traditionally labeled "right".

Nowadays, it can be hard to determine what should be called "left" and
"right" and there also are big differences within each side, so one 
should
generally ask for clarification when these terms are used. Especially in
an international context such as this.

anders
-
http://anders.hultman.nu/
med dagens bild och allt!

Re: PAW - Bryce Sunrise

[Eactivist]

>In a message dated 3/24/2004 11:06:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Have you ever calibrated your monitor, Marnie?



Yup. But I probably need to do it again. I used the thingee that came with 
Elements to do it. And I do seem to have lost my profile for scanning, so need 
to do it again. Now I just have to find the thingee. Guess I'll have to break 
down and pull out the manual. ;-)

It's also just possible that I need to see more details in dark than others 
do. Or that I see dark as darker. 

Marnie aka Doe  

Re: To the list or not to the list (was My own DOF ...)

[Ann Sanfedele]

graywolf wrote:
> 
> I did not intend to sent that to the list. I need to remember to change the
> recipient before typing, maybe a post-it note on the monitor. I do apologize to
> the list for posting it here.
> 

Well, I haven't read much of the list lately - but
I'm down with a cold and can't
concentrate on work.

Just two points:

Why isn't easier to reply off list?  Is there no
way to do this without
(in my mail at least) having to copy and paste the
writer's address into
another window.  Can't it be set up so that one
can hit "reply' in whatever
mail server one is using and it will only be sent
to the person to whom
one wants to replY?  and using "Reply all" would
send it to the list as
well, but it would have to be a conscious
decision.

On PDML I have found even if I take the list
address off the send to line
it goes to the list - forcing it to the "reply
to".

The other list I'm on (which is a yahoo groups
list) the opposite is true -
one has to do an extra step to send to the list. 
That list was set up
that way for the very reason that people were
publicly saying stuff that
they had meant to be private - and once it was
something not just idealistic
but intensely personal (That list's members are
mostly people who
know and see each other in real life a lot more
often than those here.)

The other point is simply that I think signature
lines, no matter what
they say (beyond one's name and "address",
 are one of the most annoying features of email. 
I never read
them and strip them out when replying - they just
clutter things up. 

sniffle sniffle, achoo achoo
annsan

APRIL PUG

[Cotty]

So will the next PUG be on Komkon, or Adelheid's server? Will it be fully
functional or a cut-down? Just curious...




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: My own DOF confusion

[graywolf]

Excellent description Anders. The only thing is I think it is more of a circle 
with the left and right at less than 90 degrees and the Ultra left and Ultra 
right between 90 and 180 degrees. The thing the Ultras seem to have in common is 
a very strong believe in authoritism (to the point of, "do what we say or we 
will kill you").

--

Anders Hultman wrote:

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:


This may seem uneducated of me - but I here you all saying "i'm right of
centre", "he's left", "left winged", "right winged" etc, can someone please
explain to me just what these terms mean?


This dates back to the French parliament of 1789 where the radicals that
wanted to change society towards more equality and freedom sat to the left
as seen from the rostrum, and the conservatives that wanted to maintain
the old system sat to the right. Since then, liberal politics has been
labeled "left" and conservative politics has been labeled "right".
In the mid 19th century, an even more radical ideology was formed,
socialism, to the "left" of the then current left. This blurred the
left--right concept somewhat, since the liberals then became "middle" or
even "right". The left--right concept became even more blurred in the
1930's when fascism and nazism was placed off the scale to the right
("extreme right") even though many people think that they have more in
common with the communists on the "extreme left" (left of the socialists) 
than with the conservatives traditionally labeled "right".

Nowadays, it can be hard to determine what should be called "left" and
"right" and there also are big differences within each side, so one should
generally ask for clarification when these terms are used. Especially in
an international context such as this.
anders
-
http://anders.hultman.nu/
med dagens bild och allt!

--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: My own DOF confusion

[Cotty]

On 24/3/04, WHEATFIELD discumbobulated:

>> >Being British, I'd just like to apologise.
>>
>> Being British also, I'd like to apologise for Cotty's apology.
>
>Being Canadian, I'd like to apologize for the whole damned lot of
>you, and for the baggage retrieval system at Heathrow as well.
>WW

Er, there is no baggage retrieval system at Heathrow. You were lucky.


Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: PAW - Bryce Sunrise

[Shel Belinkoff]

Have you ever calibrated your monitor, Marnie?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> It's possible my monitor shows some things darker than some other monitors
> do, since this has come up before, where I find some things a bit dark.
> 
> It's just a HP that goes along with my HP Pavilion. Model # M50. On the
> whole, I have been happy with it, and feel the colors are good.
> 
> It's probably more my eyes.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe 

Re: Handled *istD Today

[Cotty]

On 24/3/04, WOERNER BROTHERS discumbobulated:

>I got the chance to handle a *istD today. WOW.
>
>All I can say is:
>
>Cotty, when are you gonna get one? :-)
>
>Regards,
>
>Robert

I had a play with Jostein's and I was impressed with it's build quality.
I was not impressed with navigation buttons, preferring the Canons for
that. I'm afraid the next body I buy will be in a year or two and will
have 8MP CMOS and a crop of 1.3.

Also, one of my favourite lenses is a 70-200. I'm ditching my Sigma in
favour of the dreaded Image Stabilisation, because I can. Can't with the
*ist D. This is a vital point for me.

Take you point though - I sure like the *ist D. If I had one, I'd use it
without a grip, with a 20 or 24mm lens as a street cam.


Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: My own DOF confusion

[Cotty]

On 23/3/04, A POST TOO FARR discumbobulated:

>Better believe it!  William and I have had wars that may have spilt blood if
>we weren't on opposite sides of cyberspace, yet he subsequently has replied
>to or commented on posts of mine.  Clearly, if he'd binned me he would not
>have seen my posts.
>
>People talk about kill-filing contributors who get under their skin, but how
>many actually do it, I wonder.

Digest subscribers don't get a choice, although I will be on broadband
end of June, so I can subscribe 'properly'. If I'd had that facility back
when the Dobo was around, I would have used a kill file without doubt.

Can't think of anyone else I would do that to. I popped in here towards
the end of Mafud. I thought he was good fun actually. Never met The Who.


Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: My own DOF confusion

[Cotty]

On 23/3/04, CRB discumbobulated:

>> >Being British, I'd just like to apologise.
>
>Will you apologize for Jaguars as well?

Of course. Especially as they are now run by Ford (is it?) - an even
bigger apology!


Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: My own DOF confusion

[Cotty]

On 23/3/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] discumbobulated:

>I was just being agreeable, (you don't want me to start ranting, trust 
>me).  I suppose I should have put a smiley
>after my post but I expected it to understood, as I expect that Cotty 
>did as well.

Of course.

Just humour her, she's Australian ;-)



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  Cotty


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Re: News story on eBay fraud

[graywolf]

Seems to me that applying the same rule you should in gambling would help. Bid 
(bet) no more than you can afford to lose.

Do you suppose these guys were responsible for the $400 bids on a empty box 
awhile back?

--

Mark Roberts wrote:

On C|NET, from the New York Times:
http://news.com.com/2100-1038_3-5176525.html?tag=st_pop
--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."

Re: My own DOF confusion

[Cotty]

On 23/3/04, ANNE ROBINSON discumbobulated:

>> Being British, I'd just like to apologise.

>Anything in particular, or would you prefer to bank it for future use? :)

Bank please miss.





Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: PAW - Bryce Sunrise

[Eactivist]

>In a message dated 3/24/2004 9:33:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Marnie,

>I am curious as to what monitor you are viewing it on.  On my
calibrated 800:1 contrast LCD laptop, there is some detail where you are
describing.  I did play around a bit with it trying to balance that
detail against washing out the sunrise too much.  I suspect if I
really put some time into it, I could do better.

>Time...wish I had more of it.

Thanks,


>Bruce

It's possible my monitor shows some things darker than some other monitors 
do, since this has come up before, where I find some things a bit dark.

It's just a HP that goes along with my HP Pavilion. Model # M50. On the 
whole, I have been happy with it, and feel the colors are good.

It's probably more my eyes.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: PAW - Bryce Sunrise

[Eactivist]

>In a message dated 3/24/2004 9:27:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/0041-13.htm

>It was taken from the same roll as the sunrise.  The sun has come up
enough now so that it is above the horizon.  The day was rather
overcast so the morning light is quite diffused, but it does give a
nice glow to the rocks.


>Bruce

Very nice.

I like that better than the other one, because, yup, there are the red rock 
formations.

Marnie aka Doe  ;-)

Re: USA shopping list...

[John Francis]

> 
> i have all three of these. the 80-320 is a lot lighter, but shows more edge
> light falloff until stopped down 2 stops. my 80-200 has falloff one after 1
> stop. the 80-320 also stays soft in the corners, especially at the long end,
> until stopped down 3 stops. it's noticeably less sharp across the entire
> focal length range even on the *istD. however, it is 1/3 the weight. i find
> the Sigma TC to produce very distracting bokeh on my 80-200. i'm starting to
> switch to Pentax TCs even though i lose AF ability.
> 
> Herb...

Thanks, Herb.  That's pretty much what I was expecting, but it's always nice
to receive independent confirmation before putting things to a real-life test.

I have no illusions that the 80-320 will perform to the high standards of
the 80-200/2.8 used alone.  But when I got the *ist-D I rethought what
lenses I'd be using, and came to the conclusion that for a lot of what I
do the 80-320 covered the focal length range I needed.  And as my primary
purpose for many of the shots is for web use (or, at most, 1280 x 1024),
(and image corner sharpness isn't the top concern when shooting race cars)
I can quite often get away with just a single body and lightweight lens.
I'll probably still carry the heavier glass on race day itself, but for the
practice and qualifying sessions I'll consider making things easy for myself.
I'm not getting any younger, and carrying a heavy equipment load around
all day (especially in hot California sunshine) was beginning to be tough.


> - Original Message - 
> From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:40 PM
> Subject: Re: USA shopping list...
> 
> 
> > Despite all that, though, it's the lens I use most.  It even performs
> > tolerably well with the Sigma 1.4x AF TC (although I suspect that the
> > 80-320 I accquired recently will probably do nearly as well, and be a
> > great deal easier to carry).
> 
> 

Re: Anyone get the final cost on 300 2.8 on ebay

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Just wondering if anyone got the final selling price for a group of lenses
> that finished on E-bay recently. There was a 300 f2.8, a 200 2.8, a 20 2.8...
> They all looked mint. I can't seem to get into the completed items anymore. I
> know we are not supposed to talk about e-bay items but these are completed
> items...

Is that the one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3803841547&category=30077

The trick is to go to Advanced Search (and you need to log on to
ebay to do that).

Kostas

Re: Cheapest -D on ebay I have ever seen

[Camdir]

<< hmm like slashdotting? >>

Eh? What?

Peter

Anyone get the final cost on 300 2.8 on ebay

[Pentxuser]

Just wondering if anyone got the final selling price for a group of lenses 
that finished on E-bay recently. There was a 300 f2.8, a 200 2.8, a 20 2.8... 
They all looked mint. I can't seem to get into the completed items anymore. I 
know we are not supposed to talk about e-bay items but these are completed 
items...
thanks Vic