PESO - return to Vasona Lake Park

[John Francis]

It's about a year now since I got my *ist-D, so I decided to go back
to the park where I did my first trial shots and try something else.

I don't have any panorama stitching software, so I haven't yet been
able to correct for the slight barrel distortion in the lens (which
was the original FA 28-105), nor convert to a true cylindrical view.
But I like what I've got so far enough to keep working on it.



That's seven shots stitched together.  The original is around 30MP.
(I shot in landscape mode, because I don't have a tripod head that
puts the camera in the right place when it's in portrait mode).

I guess I need to go back through the archives to see what software
other folks recommend for panorama stitching, etc.

Comments, software suggestions, etc., welcome.

RE: My first *istD stuff...

[Jens Bladt]

Very nice composition and and grays. A picture like this will, in the real
world, live or die depending on the print quality, including how the B&W was
done. Was it simply desaturated or has some work been put into making the
black and gray colour scale work ?


Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 10. november 2004 05:33
Til: PDML
Emne: PAW: My first *istD stuff...


Hi!

http://www.webaperture.com/gallery/photos/50999

What do you say?

--
Boris
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: *ist DS

[Sam Jost]

As far as I know the sale of the *istDS will start on November 19th in asia, 
but it should be available worldwide for christmas - but only in small 
quantities :)

Body is 869 Euros here.
Sam
- Original Message - 
From: "David Mann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 6:08 AM
Subject: *ist DS


Is the new DSLR actually available?  I notice my local camera shop has a 
price on their website.

Body only is listed at NZ$1748.25.
I wonder if I want one for Xmas...
Cheers,
- Dave
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ 

Re: Pentax 80-200 FA* Opinions

[John Francis]

Larry Cook mused:
> 
> I have recently posted a query about 80-200 f2.8 zooms in general and 
> after receiving opinions here and elsewhere I would like to know more 
> about the Pentax 80-200 FA* specifically from actual owners/users of 
> that lens, especially when married to a *istD. I have narrowed my search 
> to the Pentax and the Sigma 70-200. I have heard nice things about both 
> but I have also heard some less than favorable things about the Pentax 
> (as well as teh Sigma). So before I launch off into a search for a 
> suitable speciman and its most likely equally suitable price I would 
> like to see if it is worth searching for given what I intend to shoot 
> with it. I intend to shoot mainly my son's high school soccer, so I need 
> something that has a rather quick AF. I have heard that the Pentax AF is 
> both slow and fast and that it is both one of the best and not one of 
> the best optically. It is also apparently heavy and the tripod moumt is 
> flimsy. What is the actual truth? How is the AF performance? Is it a 
> great optical speciman or just mediocre? It is heavy, oh well, I have a 
> monpod and currently use it with the two Tokina ATX MF zooms that I 
> have, so no big deal there. How is the construction? Is the tripod mount 
> really flimsy? Anything else of note? Is it worth pursuing given the 
> possible $500 premium over and above the Sigma lens?
> 
> I appreciate any reponses both good and bad because it is information 
> that I seek,


1)  It's heavy.

2)  It's *heavy*

3)  It's HEAVY.

4)  Although it's not as heavy as a 300/2.8, let alone the 250-600/5.6
I use mine without a monopod, but after an hour or two my arms
complain every time I lift the thing to shooting position.

The tripod mount isn't flimsy; you can use it to break rocks with :-)

I find the AF performance perfectly acceptable, and have no complaints
about the optical performance of the lens.  There's some degree of
light fall-off in the corners, especially wide open, but I haven't seen 
an 80-200/2.8 where this isn't the case.  I've used mine with a PZ-1p,
an MZ-S, and the *ist-D.  I shoot primarily motorsports (a fast action
sport), and have found the AF performance fast enough.  I rarely use
full-auto AF, though; I manually select the auto-focus point (this is
one of the reasons why I prefer the *ist-D to the earlier cameras;
a wider choice of AF points suits my shooting style much better).

With the full-frame cameras I sometimes found 200mm wasn't quite long
enough; the extra crop factor of the smaller sensor means that I can
sometimes get away with just the 80-200.  That will also work to your
advantage when shooting soccer.

Where, physically, are you located?   There are a couple of us on
the list that have the 80-200, and PDML members are a friendly bunch;
I've been able to test out lenses courtesy of other list members.

As for being worth the $500 premium; that's a question for you to
decide.  That difference would buy you a DA 16-45, for one thing.

Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time

[Ann Sanfedele]

Mishka wrote:

> what do you mean by "he raised the price"? did he raise the reserve?
> or BIN?
> i am not even aware that one could change the conditions of an auction once
> a bid is placed.
>
> best,
> mishka
>

I dont think a bid was placed, Mishka.
ann

>
> On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:20:08 -0500, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have a new ebay story that needs telling because
> > it is absolutely incredible and needs to be
> > shared. I still cant believe it but
> > it is TRUE and may be a good warning to future
> > ebay buyers out there.

RE: PAW: My first *istD stuff...

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Boris ...

Unlike Kevin, I don't think the foreground needs much, if any, detail.  I
like the idea of seeing just shades of grey.  However, the foreground seem
out of synch with the rest of the scene - sharp verticals of an irregular
pattern against a rolling, gentle background.  To my mind they conflict,
work against each other, but I think that's because, at least in part,  the
foreground is unsharp, too soft around the edges, and maybe too much of it.

The bird, while a nice touch, is really an unimportant element, especially
being so small and out of  focus.  

Now, for the big question:  How many frames did you shoot of this scene? 
Since you obviously felt there was something to work with, and the subject
was static, you must have shot quite a few frames, each with a somewhat
different perspective, framing, area of interest, area of focus, with a
different focal length lens.  How did those look?

I also say this photo may have been better served with some real B&W film,
or at least some better work in Photoshop.  It has a rather flat look to
it.  I'd like to see the middle greys expanded to get more separation
between the tones.  How did you meter for this scene? 

Overall, I'd have to say you've done far better and more interesting work.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> http://www.webaperture.com/gallery/photos/50999

Pentax 80-200 FA* Opinions

[Larry Cook]

I have recently posted a query about 80-200 f2.8 zooms in general and 
after receiving opinions here and elsewhere I would like to know more 
about the Pentax 80-200 FA* specifically from actual owners/users of 
that lens, especially when married to a *istD. I have narrowed my search 
to the Pentax and the Sigma 70-200. I have heard nice things about both 
but I have also heard some less than favorable things about the Pentax 
(as well as teh Sigma). So before I launch off into a search for a 
suitable speciman and its most likely equally suitable price I would 
like to see if it is worth searching for given what I intend to shoot 
with it. I intend to shoot mainly my son's high school soccer, so I need 
something that has a rather quick AF. I have heard that the Pentax AF is 
both slow and fast and that it is both one of the best and not one of 
the best optically. It is also apparently heavy and the tripod moumt is 
flimsy. What is the actual truth? How is the AF performance? Is it a 
great optical speciman or just mediocre? It is heavy, oh well, I have a 
monpod and currently use it with the two Tokina ATX MF zooms that I 
have, so no big deal there. How is the construction? Is the tripod mount 
really flimsy? Anything else of note? Is it worth pursuing given the 
possible $500 premium over and above the Sigma lens?

I appreciate any reponses both good and bad because it is information 
that I seek,

Larry Cook

Re: UK - Photog Doc tonight - P67?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "David Mann"
Subject: Re: UK - Photog Doc tonight - P67?


On Nov 10, 2004, at 6:36 AM, Cotty wrote:
NYPD Blue was an early adopter - I found it unwatchable.
Tonight they resurrected Jimmy Smits.
How bloody special
William Robb

*ist DS

[David Mann]

Is the new DSLR actually available?  I notice my local camera shop has 
a price on their website.

Body only is listed at NZ$1748.25.
I wonder if I want one for Xmas...
Cheers,
- Dave
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

Re: UK - Photog Doc tonight - P67?

[David Mann]

On Nov 10, 2004, at 6:36 AM, Cotty wrote:
NYPD Blue was an early adopter - I found it unwatchable.
I can't hold a camera still so it was fine for me.
Cheers,
- Dave
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

Re: Evil! EVIL! EEEVIL!

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Blakely"
Subject: Re: Evil! EVIL! EEEVIL!


165/2.8 for the 67 off ebay for US$247.52. I'm feeling so thrilled 
and ashamed at the same time!
I have the 165/4LS as well, and am thinking I should pick up the 
f/2.8 when I get settled into the house and can put the digital down 
and start shooting 120 B&W again.

At the moment, I owe my soul to 3 Visa cards and a couple of 
Mastercards.

For everything else, there's AmEx.
Life is too short to not have nice lenses.
If life were this simple, you wouldn't need a 300mm/f4.
William Robb 

Re: My first *istD stuff...

[Bob Blakely]

To hell with the little bird, this is an interesting scenic in itself, cold 
and lonely and somewhat foreboding. It's very much like I feel some days. 
The mist and compression are perfect, mountains paged one after the other 
and on... forever. Only B&W can do this, and you used it well.

Sorry, I can't think of one brutal thing to say...
Regards,
Bob...
From: "Boris Liberman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi!
http://www.webaperture.com/gallery/photos/50999
What do you say?

Re: PAW: My first *istD stuff...

[Kevin Waterson]

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:33:16 +0200
Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://www.webaperture.com/gallery/photos/50999

This is a nice scene. However, you said to be brutal...
For mine, the large black area in the fore ground is just that, 
a large black area. I like to see some sort of detail in the fore
ground. The DOF is good allowing the viewer some dimension to
the image. The image also lacks a subject of any substance. I
cant help thinking this image would make a nice backdrop for
a portrait, if you lost the large black area at the fore.

However, this is just my opinion and hope it is taken in
the same spirit it is given.

Kind regards
Kevin
-- 
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. 
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

PAW: My first *istD stuff...

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

http://www.webaperture.com/gallery/photos/50999

What do you say?

-- 
Boris
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Worst Ebay Seller of all time

[J. C. O'Connell]

After I told him I would buy the items if they
were fully working BUT BEFORE he sent me the
reply stating they were working OK he raised the
starting bid AND buy it now prices TWICE. AND
he change the shipping prices higher too!
There were no bids yet. It is a little known
fact but a seller can change min bid, BIN, and reserve prices up or
down at any time during an auction as long
as there are no bids and at least 12 hours
remaining. 

I still cant believe he honestly still thought
I would buy them after he did that that little trick. That
one is for the record books as the dumbest salesman
of all time. And I KNOW he still thought I would
buy them because for one thing he still replied to 
my question and secondly he even sent me some new
pix via email that I didn't even request to help
make the sale!

JCO
-Original Message-
From: Mishka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 11:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time


what do you mean by "he raised the price"? did he raise the reserve? 
or BIN?
i am not even aware that one could change the conditions of an auction
once a bid is placed.

best,
mishka


On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:20:08 -0500, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I have a new ebay story that needs telling because
> it is absolutely incredible and needs to be
> shared. I still cant believe it but
> it is TRUE and may be a good warning to future
> ebay buyers out there.

Re: Evil! EVIL! EEEVIL!

[Bob Sullivan]

Bob,
It's a nice lens.
The f4 is too slow.
And you'll be dead a long time.
Enjoy life now!
Regards,  Bob S.


On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:57:55 -0800, Bob Blakely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I knew it! I knew it! I knew it! Wheatfield (soon to be Snowfield) Willie
> was right!
> 
> I just HAD to get another lens!
> 
> 165/2.8 for the 67 off ebay for US$247.52. I'm feeling so thrilled and
> ashamed at the same time!
> 
> I said to myself, "You already have a 165/4 with a leaf shutter!"
> "But I need the speed and narrower DOF!"
> "But you already have a 165/4 with a leaf shutter!"
> "But The narrower DOF will help with the portraits of pretty girls!"
> "Pretty girls will only get within 500mm range of you!"
> "But the price is sooo good!"
> "But you already owe your soul to Visa!"
> "Damn it! I'm buying it!"
> "You'll be sorry!"
> "I don't care!"
> 
> Click!
> 
> That was the sound of the bid confirmation button being pushed, and it was
> all over.
> 
> I'm powerless over this addiction.
> 
> I need help!
> 
> Regards,
> Bob...
> 
> From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > This medium format thing is going to be my financial undoing! The
> > obsession has now taken full control of my mind and the compulsion that
> > follows has now led me to buy a 645 with 75mm lens and extra 220 film
> > carriers, another 67 lens, a converter so that I can use the 67 lenses on
> > the 645, a couple of straps, another slave flash and another Pelican case.
> > Today I went out and burned up three rolls of 220 on crap!
> >
> > But damn it was FUN!
> >
> > OOOWAAHAHAHAAAR!
> >
> > Maybe there's a 12 step group for this...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bob...
> >
> >
> >
> 
>

Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time

[Mishka]

what do you mean by "he raised the price"? did he raise the reserve? 
or BIN?
i am not even aware that one could change the conditions of an auction once
a bid is placed.

best,
mishka


On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:20:08 -0500, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a new ebay story that needs telling because
> it is absolutely incredible and needs to be
> shared. I still cant believe it but
> it is TRUE and may be a good warning to future
> ebay buyers out there.

Re: PESO - 17 mile drive

[Bruce Dayton]

Wonderful shot of a beautiful area, Joe.  I took my cliche shot also,
and may present it here - we'll see.  Anyway, thanks for the comments.

Bruce


Tuesday, November 9, 2004, 6:33:29 PM, you wrote:

JT> Lovely, Bruce. I spent a lot of time there during my teen years, and
JT> sure miss it. Got back there in early May and took this:

JT> http://pug.komkon.org/04jul/cypress.html

JT> Joe

RE: Worst Ebay Seller of all time

[J. C. O'Connell]

Its not so much that he was rude or unethical,
it's the very funny fact that he actually believed I would
still buy from him after he jacked up the price TWICE.
I forgot to mention, he even sent me new some mediocre pictures
via email to "close the deal"!

To me, that is so incredibly stupid that I am 
laughing my ass off thinking about. I sent him
another email saying that I got something much
more valuable than a few old lenses, I got a story
to tell for years! Like MASTERCARD SAYS : 3 used lenses on ebay
$199, Incredibly Stupid Salesman - PRICELESS!

JCO
===
From: Steve Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 10:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time


Hey there,

I have not had that happen to me yet.  It seems
incredibly rude and unethical.  Too bad you can't
leave him negative feedback.

However, the other one that still really bothers me is
when a seller says that anyone paying by PayPal will
have to pay for the additional fees charged by PayPal.
 This is against ebay rules, but I still see it every
once in a while.  Even more frustrating when you want
to use a "Buy it Now", but you know you can't change
the seller's mind fast enough.  If you try, the BIN
will be gone.  So, I just don't bother.


--- "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a new ebay story that needs telling because
> it is absolutely incredible and needs to be
> shared. I still cant believe it but
> it is TRUE and may be a good warning to future
> ebay buyers out there.
> 
> I saw an ebay item which consisted of a mediocre SLR
> camera and 3
> decent lenses ( item doesn't really matter, this
> could
> have been anything ). This had reasonable ( but
> certainly not great or
> bargain or "steal" ) opening bid and buy it now
> prices on it but the listing description was not
> completely clear as to
> on the working condition of the items. I kinda
> decided I would buy
> it but only if the seller assured me everything was
> in good working order and no sooner.
> 
> So like anyone else, before I did the "Buy it Now" I
> emailed
> the seller and told them I was interested in buying
> them
> but only if the lenses were fully working so I asked
> for a clarification
> of the working condition of the items.
> 
> A day later he sends me the anwser saying yes the
> lenses are fully
> working and he is sure I will be happy with them. I
> was satisfied
> with his anwsers so I go to the auction page hoping
> that no one else had
> bid on them or
> had bought them and no one had. BUT, I find he had
> raised the price
> TWICE between
> the time I asked about them and the time he sent me
> the answer.
> Not only does that seem incredible and unethical to
> me, the amazing
> thing is
> he actually still expected me to buy them at a new
> jacked up price
> about 25% more than when I asked for clarification
> on the
> condtion!
> 
> Of course I sent him a F.U. letter in return and
> didn't
> really mind not getting them at the original price
> because
> it wasn't really a super deal or anything. But I
> still cant believe
> someone would think of and actually do something
> like that.
> And then to think I would still buy them from him
> after he raised
> the price twice before answering my email is
> absolutely inconceivable to
> me.
> 
> To me he is the greatest A-hole seller of all time.
> And I have
> been doing ebay regularly since 1996. Its not so
> much that he
> raised the prices twice between the time I said I
> would buy
> if working OK, it's the fact that he honestly
> believed I would
> still buy them at the newer much higher prices he
> changed to
> after I asked for the condtion clarification!
> 
> Comments Please! Has anyone ever heard or seen or
> experienced
> anything like that? Ever? Online or offline? That is
> just truly
> mindblowing to me.
> 
> JCO
> 
> 
> 
>

> 
>J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> http://jcoconnell.com
>

> 
> 
> 




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Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time

[Ann Sanfedele]

Steve Pearson wrote:

> Hey there,
>
> I have not had that happen to me yet.  It seems
> incredibly rude and unethical.  Too bad you can't
> leave him negative feedback.

Pretty amazingly awful.  But there are some
nasty buyers out there, too.

> However, the other one that still really bothers me is
> when a seller says that anyone paying by PayPal will
> have to pay for the additional fees charged by PayPal.
>  This is against ebay rules, but I still see it every
> once in a while.  Even more frustrating when you want
> to use a "Buy it Now", but you know you can't change
> the seller's mind fast enough.  If you try, the BIN
> will be gone.  So, I just don't bother.
>

Yeah, that is against the rules, but it is also very irksome
to sellers to have to pay fees to PAYPAL (which ebay owns, remember)
for purchases NOT made by the buyer with a credit card.  Once you
accept credit cards through ebay, all purchases are counted as if they were
charges.  So ebay not only gets it's perpetually inflated percentage of our
sales, but they get the paypal money, too.

Then there are buyers who use paypal for a $5.00 item.  Tain't fair
for sellers, either.

I did find my sales increased when I started accepting the credit card
payments
through paypal.  But I think PAYPAL ought to give ebay sellers, especially
on the low end, a break on the fees.

ann



>
> --- "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I have a new ebay story that needs telling because
> > it is absolutely incredible and needs to be
> > shared. I still cant believe it but
> > it is TRUE and may be a good warning to future
> > ebay buyers out there.
> >
> > I saw an ebay item which consisted of a mediocre SLR
> > camera and 3
> > decent lenses ( item doesn't really matter, this
> > could
> > have been anything ). This had reasonable ( but
> > certainly not great or
> > bargain or "steal" ) opening bid and buy it now
> > prices on it but the listing description was not
> > completely clear as to
> > on the working condition of the items. I kinda
> > decided I would buy
> > it but only if the seller assured me everything was
> > in good working order and no sooner.
> >
> > So like anyone else, before I did the "Buy it Now" I
> > emailed
> > the seller and told them I was interested in buying
> > them
> > but only if the lenses were fully working so I asked
> > for a clarification
> > of the working condition of the items.
> >
> > A day later he sends me the anwser saying yes the
> > lenses are fully
> > working and he is sure I will be happy with them. I
> > was satisfied
> > with his anwsers so I go to the auction page hoping
> > that no one else had
> > bid on them or
> > had bought them and no one had. BUT, I find he had
> > raised the price
> > TWICE between
> > the time I asked about them and the time he sent me
> > the answer.
> > Not only does that seem incredible and unethical to
> > me, the amazing
> > thing is
> > he actually still expected me to buy them at a new
> > jacked up price
> > about 25% more than when I asked for clarification
> > on the
> > condtion!
> >
> > Of course I sent him a F.U. letter in return and
> > didn't
> > really mind not getting them at the original price
> > because
> > it wasn't really a super deal or anything. But I
> > still cant believe
> > someone would think of and actually do something
> > like that.
> > And then to think I would still buy them from him
> > after he raised
> > the price twice before answering my email is
> > absolutely inconceivable to
> > me.
> >
> > To me he is the greatest A-hole seller of all time.
> > And I have
> > been doing ebay regularly since 1996. Its not so
> > much that he
> > raised the prices twice between the time I said I
> > would buy
> > if working OK, it's the fact that he honestly
> > believed I would
> > still buy them at the newer much higher prices he
> > changed to
> > after I asked for the condtion clarification!
> >
> > Comments Please! Has anyone ever heard or seen or
> > experienced
> > anything like that? Ever? Online or offline? That is
> > just truly
> > mindblowing to me.
> >
> > JCO
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> > 
> >J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://jcoconnell.com
> >
> 
> > 
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: Worst Ebay Seller of all time

[Steve Pearson]

Hey there,

I have not had that happen to me yet.  It seems
incredibly rude and unethical.  Too bad you can't
leave him negative feedback.

However, the other one that still really bothers me is
when a seller says that anyone paying by PayPal will
have to pay for the additional fees charged by PayPal.
 This is against ebay rules, but I still see it every
once in a while.  Even more frustrating when you want
to use a "Buy it Now", but you know you can't change
the seller's mind fast enough.  If you try, the BIN
will be gone.  So, I just don't bother.


--- "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a new ebay story that needs telling because
> it is absolutely incredible and needs to be
> shared. I still cant believe it but
> it is TRUE and may be a good warning to future
> ebay buyers out there.
> 
> I saw an ebay item which consisted of a mediocre SLR
> camera and 3
> decent lenses ( item doesn't really matter, this
> could
> have been anything ). This had reasonable ( but
> certainly not great or
> bargain or "steal" ) opening bid and buy it now
> prices on it but the listing description was not
> completely clear as to 
> on the working condition of the items. I kinda
> decided I would buy
> it but only if the seller assured me everything was
> in good working order and no sooner.
> 
> So like anyone else, before I did the "Buy it Now" I
> emailed
> the seller and told them I was interested in buying
> them
> but only if the lenses were fully working so I asked
> for a clarification
> of the working condition of the items.
> 
> A day later he sends me the anwser saying yes the
> lenses are fully
> working and he is sure I will be happy with them. I
> was satisfied
> with his anwsers so I go to the auction page hoping
> that no one else had
> bid on them or
> had bought them and no one had. BUT, I find he had
> raised the price
> TWICE between
> the time I asked about them and the time he sent me
> the answer.
> Not only does that seem incredible and unethical to
> me, the amazing
> thing is
> he actually still expected me to buy them at a new
> jacked up price
> about 25% more than when I asked for clarification
> on the
> condtion!
> 
> Of course I sent him a F.U. letter in return and
> didn't
> really mind not getting them at the original price
> because
> it wasn't really a super deal or anything. But I
> still cant believe
> someone would think of and actually do something
> like that.
> And then to think I would still buy them from him
> after he raised
> the price twice before answering my email is
> absolutely inconceivable to
> me.
> 
> To me he is the greatest A-hole seller of all time.
> And I have
> been doing ebay regularly since 1996. Its not so
> much that he
> raised the prices twice between the time I said I
> would buy
> if working OK, it's the fact that he honestly
> believed I would
> still buy them at the newer much higher prices he
> changed to
> after I asked for the condtion clarification!
> 
> Comments Please! Has anyone ever heard or seen or
> experienced
> anything like that? Ever? Online or offline? That is
> just truly 
> mindblowing to me.
> 
> JCO
> 
> 
> 
>

> 
>J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> http://jcoconnell.com 
>

> 
> 
> 




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Re: Evil! EVIL! EEEVIL!

[Peter J. Alling]

Bob, You must go cold turkey, (and it's November here in the US how 
appropriate), you must pack up
all of your Medium Format Pentax Gear and send it to me for safe 
keeping.  You can send it Postage COD
if you have to.  I'll hold it for you until this horrible phase passes, 
after which you won't want it anymore but
I'll continue to keep it safe for you.  No, no need to thank me, it's 
the least I could do...

Bob Blakely wrote:
I knew it! I knew it! I knew it! Wheatfield (soon to be Snowfield) 
Willie was right!

I just HAD to get another lens!
165/2.8 for the 67 off ebay for US$247.52. I'm feeling so thrilled and 
ashamed at the same time!

I said to myself, "You already have a 165/4 with a leaf shutter!"
"But I need the speed and narrower DOF!"
"But you already have a 165/4 with a leaf shutter!"
"But The narrower DOF will help with the portraits of pretty girls!"
"Pretty girls will only get within 500mm range of you!"
"But the price is sooo good!"
"But you already owe your soul to Visa!"
"Damn it! I'm buying it!"
"You'll be sorry!"
"I don't care!"
Click!
That was the sound of the bid confirmation button being pushed, and it 
was all over.

I'm powerless over this addiction.
I need help!
Regards,
Bob...
From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

This medium format thing is going to be my financial undoing! The 
obsession has now taken full control of my mind and the compulsion 
that follows has now led me to buy a 645 with 75mm lens and extra 220 
film carriers, another 67 lens, a converter so that I can use the 67 
lenses on the 645, a couple of straps, another slave flash and 
another Pelican case. Today I went out and burned up three rolls of 
220 on crap!

But damn it was FUN!
OOOWAAHAHAHAAAR!
Maybe there's a 12 step group for this...
Regards,
Bob...



--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Worst Ebay Seller of all time

[J. C. O'Connell]

I have a new ebay story that needs telling because
it is absolutely incredible and needs to be
shared. I still cant believe it but
it is TRUE and may be a good warning to future
ebay buyers out there.

I saw an ebay item which consisted of a mediocre SLR camera and 3
decent lenses ( item doesn't really matter, this could
have been anything ). This had reasonable ( but certainly not great or
bargain or "steal" ) opening bid and buy it now
prices on it but the listing description was not completely clear as to 
on the working condition of the items. I kinda decided I would buy
it but only if the seller assured me everything was
in good working order and no sooner.

So like anyone else, before I did the "Buy it Now" I emailed
the seller and told them I was interested in buying them
but only if the lenses were fully working so I asked for a clarification
of the working condition of the items.

A day later he sends me the anwser saying yes the lenses are fully
working and he is sure I will be happy with them. I was satisfied
with his anwsers so I go to the auction page hoping that no one else had
bid on them or
had bought them and no one had. BUT, I find he had raised the price
TWICE between
the time I asked about them and the time he sent me the answer.
Not only does that seem incredible and unethical to me, the amazing
thing is
he actually still expected me to buy them at a new jacked up price
about 25% more than when I asked for clarification on the
condtion!

Of course I sent him a F.U. letter in return and didn't
really mind not getting them at the original price because
it wasn't really a super deal or anything. But I still cant believe
someone would think of and actually do something like that.
And then to think I would still buy them from him after he raised
the price twice before answering my email is absolutely inconceivable to
me.

To me he is the greatest A-hole seller of all time. And I have
been doing ebay regularly since 1996. Its not so much that he
raised the prices twice between the time I said I would buy
if working OK, it's the fact that he honestly believed I would
still buy them at the newer much higher prices he changed to
after I asked for the condtion clarification!

Comments Please! Has anyone ever heard or seen or experienced
anything like that? Ever? Online or offline? That is just truly 
mindblowing to me.

JCO





   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com 

Re: Evil! EVIL! EEEVIL!

[Paul Stenquist]

Great buy, Bob. I've frequently been tempted on the 165/2.8, although I 
have the 165/4 LS. The 165 is some pretty fast glass for MF at that 
focal length. I would have gone for it at that price as well. Too good 
a deal to pass up.
Paul
On Nov 9, 2004, at 9:57 PM, Bob Blakely wrote:

I knew it! I knew it! I knew it! Wheatfield (soon to be Snowfield) 
Willie was right!

I just HAD to get another lens!
165/2.8 for the 67 off ebay for US$247.52. I'm feeling so thrilled and 
ashamed at the same time!

I said to myself, "You already have a 165/4 with a leaf shutter!"
"But I need the speed and narrower DOF!"
"But you already have a 165/4 with a leaf shutter!"
"But The narrower DOF will help with the portraits of pretty girls!"
"Pretty girls will only get within 500mm range of you!"
"But the price is sooo good!"
"But you already owe your soul to Visa!"
"Damn it! I'm buying it!"
"You'll be sorry!"
"I don't care!"
Click!
That was the sound of the bid confirmation button being pushed, and it 
was all over.

I'm powerless over this addiction.
I need help!
Regards,
Bob...
From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

This medium format thing is going to be my financial undoing! The 
obsession has now taken full control of my mind and the compulsion 
that follows has now led me to buy a 645 with 75mm lens and extra 220 
film carriers, another 67 lens, a converter so that I can use the 67 
lenses on the 645, a couple of straps, another slave flash and 
another Pelican case. Today I went out and burned up three rolls of 
220 on crap!

But damn it was FUN!
OOOWAAHAHAHAAAR!
Maybe there's a 12 step group for this...
Regards,
Bob...

Re: Evil! EVIL! EEEVIL!

[Bob Blakely]

I knew it! I knew it! I knew it! Wheatfield (soon to be Snowfield) Willie 
was right!

I just HAD to get another lens!
165/2.8 for the 67 off ebay for US$247.52. I'm feeling so thrilled and 
ashamed at the same time!

I said to myself, "You already have a 165/4 with a leaf shutter!"
"But I need the speed and narrower DOF!"
"But you already have a 165/4 with a leaf shutter!"
"But The narrower DOF will help with the portraits of pretty girls!"
"Pretty girls will only get within 500mm range of you!"
"But the price is sooo good!"
"But you already owe your soul to Visa!"
"Damn it! I'm buying it!"
"You'll be sorry!"
"I don't care!"
Click!
That was the sound of the bid confirmation button being pushed, and it was 
all over.

I'm powerless over this addiction.
I need help!
Regards,
Bob...
From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

This medium format thing is going to be my financial undoing! The 
obsession has now taken full control of my mind and the compulsion that 
follows has now led me to buy a 645 with 75mm lens and extra 220 film 
carriers, another 67 lens, a converter so that I can use the 67 lenses on 
the 645, a couple of straps, another slave flash and another Pelican case. 
Today I went out and burned up three rolls of 220 on crap!

But damn it was FUN!
OOOWAAHAHAHAAAR!
Maybe there's a 12 step group for this...
Regards,
Bob...

Re: PESO - 17 mile drive

[Joseph Tainter]

Lovely, Bruce. I spent a lot of time there during my teen years, and 
sure miss it. Got back there in early May and took this:

http://pug.komkon.org/04jul/cypress.html
Joe

RE: Northern Lights

[Tom C]

Hi Mike,
I've found auroras, at least at my latitude, to be even more variable and 
inconsistent as to timing of appearances.  Electricity, it's kin magnetism, 
and the solar wind appear to be very fickle lovers.

However, I've found, in general, the following exposures to work:
f2, ISO 400, between 20 & 30 seconds.
f2, ISO 800, around 15 seconds.
The variable we cannot control is the intensity of the aurora or the pulse 
like surges in brightness that occur during the exposure.  I count off the 
seconds at a fairly inconsistent rate, so I'm sure my exposures, usually at 
ISO 400 last for variable lengths between 20 and 30 seconds.  Many of the 
pictures I just posted were taken at an attempted exposure time of 27 
seconds.

I also tend to expose at ISO 400 when shooting towards the north, and at ISO 
800 when I get further away from the pole.  This means I can have shorter 
exposures, lessening the star trailing effect when shooting away from the 
pole.


Tom C.


From: michal mesko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Northern Lights
Date: 09 Nov 2004 23:55:13 +0100 (CET)
Hello List,
just saw the first aurora in my life. It was very pretty, but at least as 
much educative. Here are the lessons learned:

I have been looking for a geomagnetic storm since I came to Finland, 
checking the monitoring site (http://www.sec.noaa.gov/rt_plots/kp_3d.html) 
almost daily. As the gray-steel skies started to break up at the sunset 
today, I rushed to the city to buy rolls of Provia 400F, one of the films 
generally recommended for aurora photography.

Being young and naive, I set out to photograph the lights right after 
twilight at 5pm. My idea was that aurora would dance over the sky for the 
whole night, only to disappear with the first rays of the dawn. :) After 
more than two hours of stumbling through the scary dark forest and catching 
cold by the lake, I packed up and went home. Of course an hour later, the 
lights did appear. Rushing to the lake again, I lent my tripod to a friend 
to play with and went looking for The Perfect Composition. By the time I 
found it, the sky turned dark again.

Puzzled, I approached a seasoned (or so it seemed) aurora photographer on 
the scene. He explained that aurora usually passes our latitude from 10pm 
to 11pm going down from north to south. It returns after midnight at 1am, 
going back north again. Apparently, it is one of those things everyone but 
me knows. ;-) It has something to do with the position of sun, he even 
carried a PDA to check the angle at which the solar winds hit the 
atmosphere.

I then inquired about the exposure times. What he used is very inconsistent 
with the resources on the internet 
(http://www.ptialaska.net/~hutch/aurora.html,
http://w1.877.telia.com/~u87717747/english/bildarkiv_4.htm and more), where 
they talk about 400 speed, fast lens and about 30 second exposures. He was 
using f2.0 lens, ISO 50 and about four seconds! My friends digital camera 
had the right exposures at ISO 100, f2.8 and 8-15 seconds. Anything longer 
and the photo was blown out. And the aurora was supposedly on the faint 
side.

Sorry for the long post. :] I would like to hear comments of experienced 
aurora photographers, anyone?

Mike
(http://skwid.wz.cz)

Svetova kniznica SME - literarne klenoty 20. storocia - http://knihy.sme.sk

Re: PESO ('s) Ohio Cafe, etc... and notes on photo.net

[Ann Sanfedele]

frank theriault wrote:

>
> Hey, Ann,
>
> 1)  Sorry to hear you're sick.  Hope you get over your cold soon (but
> - and not to scare you or anything - there's a cold going around
> Toronto that just seems to hang on forever and ever)

Ann Replies :
grr :)

> 2)  I like the diner shot.  Very moody.  I like the composition:  the
> angle of the table, the cool lighting from the window.  It's just so
> ~ordinary~ and almost prosaic, but that's what I like about it.  A
> slice o' life, something that most people would miss, but you didn't.
> Love it.

Tanks

>
> 3)  The one of the lights is interesting, but not really my thing.  I
> am curious, though, how you did it.  I haven't read the other comments
> or your replies, so if you've already answered it, don't bother again.

I don't think anyone likes it :)  I like it for the wrong reasons, perhaps,
it is an "oh look what this camera can do" shot... from the front seat
of a car on the Jersey Turnpike (or near it) on a rainy night - NOt at all my
type of thing,
but it was fun playing.

> 4)  What a beautiful cat, and so beautifully captured!  I love the
> chair leg in there - one can tell that the cat's in full stretch, even
> without seeing it's body below the neck. So sad to hear of its
> untimely demise, even sadder that it was due to such a routine
> operation.  Poor Nora must be devastated;  I'd be.

She will like seeing it eventually -- she adored the kitten , but it was
really not her kitten, just lived there. However, what must be very hard
is that I;m sure she took kitty to get fixed at her regular vet, who she
is very happy with.  One worries the cat's owner, a sweet daffy lady who
does housework for Nora in exchange for a room in her house, might
never want to have a cat altered again.  And we know what pesky guys
those tom cats are! :)

>
> All in all, some pretty cool shots there, Ann.
>
> get well soon,
> frank

Thanks --
here is a link to the beginning of a portfolio on photo.net - I'm stumbling
along...
for some reason doing this kind of stuff when I'm really down with a cold is
easier than doing ebay listings.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/edit-presentation?presentation_id=266121

Only 3 pictures there so far... I have to do all this conversion stuff to
make
photo net happy.  You will recognize the other two shots!

Best,
ann

>
>
> --
> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "David Zaninovic"
Subject: Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?


   I am sorry if you understood it like that, it was not my 
intention.  I was asking about TTL flash as I never used it and was
hoping that it would work correctly on *ist D/DS.  Theoretically it 
should be better so it is very strange to me that it is not.
Auto flash works great for me but in some situations it can make a 
mistake as it does not know all the facts that TTL flash would
know.
Sorry, I must have just gotten off the pot with JCO when I wrote 
that.
The theory behind TTL flash control is very sound, but the 
implementation of the technology seems weak.
I have heard of TTL flash problems from everyone I know who uses a 
DSLR, no matter what brand.
I don't know enough about the technology to comment further.

William Robb 

Re: PESO - 17 mile drive

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Herb,

Point taken, thanks for the ideas.  Probably I would have to get
closer to those rocks as I was very close to the ground for the shot.
Good idea for next time, though.

Thanks,

Bruce


Tuesday, November 9, 2004, 4:42:58 PM, you wrote:

HC> Bruce, i would have liked a lower POV, something that brings the color and
HC> texture of the nearby rocks up close.

HC> Herb
HC> - Original Message - 
HC> From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
HC> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
HC> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 1:30 PM
HC> Subject: PESO - 17 mile drive


>> Here is the first - shot on *istD, DA 16-45, handheld.  As we got on
>> the 17 mile drive, it was late afternoon and the clouds were rolling
>> in.  This shot reflects the feelings of the time. Not dark, but
>> certainly not a sunny evening.
>>
>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/pinnacles_0100.htm

Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Frantisek"
Subject: Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?


>> I have given up on using the istD with TTL flash.
>> It is totally useless in this regard.
Out of curiosity, even with the P-TTL (preflash) ?
I'm not that technologically advanced. I am still using an analogue 
flash.
OTOH, I haven't heard anyone giving the istD stellar marks for TTL 
flash performance, no matter what communication platform they are 
running.

William Robb 

Re: PESO - 17 mile drive

[Jerome Reyes]

> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/pinnacles_0100.htm

Great composition with a lot (of details) to look at... yet still very
clean and simple at the same time. Very inspiring photo, Bruce. I love the
tones (blues and oranges) and how they play off of each other. Plus you
have about 3 tons of texture mixed in there that also make it very
worthwhile to browse. Superb photo. Thanks for sharing.

- jerome



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Norfolk State University, Math Dept.
http://math.nsu.edu/Math/faculty/jreyes/jreyes.htm
http://exposedfilm.net

Re: Rebates

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Caveman"
Subject: OT: Rebates

Canon has always been pretty shameless about bribing customers to buy 
their stuff, when I was in the selling game, they were also pretty 
shameless about bribing us into selling their stuff.
I haven't seen much in rebates from Nikon before, but when your major 
competition is trying to screw up the market, I guess everyone has to 
get in on the game.
I wonder if the rebates will push them into "dumping" territory.

William Robb

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0411/04110803canonnikon_slrrebates.asp

Re: Airport X-ray and films

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Peter J. Alling"
Subject: Re: Airport X-ray and films


I have other problems with this however which I doubt will ever be 
addressed.
As do I. Low dose X-Ray or not, X-Rays are proven to cause cumulitave 
damage.
Not only do i dosagree with this use of technology, I think the 
airport authority is guilty of assault.

William Robb
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/11/09/bt.xray.reut/index.html

Re: PESO - 17 mile drive

[Herb Chong]

Bruce, i would have liked a lower POV, something that brings the color and
texture of the nearby rocks up close.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 1:30 PM
Subject: PESO - 17 mile drive


> Here is the first - shot on *istD, DA 16-45, handheld.  As we got on
> the 17 mile drive, it was late afternoon and the clouds were rolling
> in.  This shot reflects the feelings of the time. Not dark, but
> certainly not a sunny evening.
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/pinnacles_0100.htm

ist D & Multiple flash set up

[Steve Pearson]

Has anyone tried shooting with a Pentax flash in the
hot shoe, and another flash hooked up to the PC
terminal, to see if they both will fire at the same
time?  I'm trying to figure out a fairly inexpensive
way to set up studio/strobe lights.  

Thanks!

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Re: photo.net help

[Graywolf]

My whole webhost only costs $5.95 a month.
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"

Ann Sanfedele wrote:
except for having an alias on aol (dont ask it only costs $4.95 a month) That 
Ive had forever
and
never go to.

Re: photo.net help

[Ann Sanfedele]

Yeah but, you're in alower rent district :)
My rcn costs more - but it is a business account.
photo.net $25 for a year seems fine - and the option to make
folders public or private is nice.

ann

Graywolf wrote:

> My whole webhost only costs $5.95 a month.
>
> graywolf
> http://www.graywolfphoto.com
>
> "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
>
> Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>
> > except for having an alias on aol (dont ask it only costs $4.95 a month) 
> > That Ive had forever
> > and
> > never go to.

Re: photo.net help

[Andre Langevin]

My whole webhost only costs $5.95 a month.
graywolf
What was it?  I had its name in my mail but just lost many months of 
archives in a HD bust.

Andre

Re: Airport X-ray and films

[Frantisek]

PJA> I have other problems with this however which I doubt will ever be
PJA> addressed. 

PJA> Caveman wrote:

>> So, where to keep the films ?
>>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/11/09/bt.xray.reut/index.html
>>
>>

Oh my...

I will better refrain from comments on the technology and society
using it because they would be *a lot* political...

Good light!
   fra

PDML Mini-FAQ

[Graywolf]

http://www.graywolfphoto.com/pentax/pdml-faq.html
Posted every Sunday (if I remember)
--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html

Re: PAW: Big Brother

[Frantisek]

Thanks for the comments. I think I like my first version the best,
finally. The open space draws you in, but later you notice the face.
And perhaps even the small person if in a real print not screen. At
least for me. It's hard to judge your own, especially regarding
(editorial) framing. PAWs are good for this. I would love to do some
more with more people action in this place, which there is (people
action, as it's a busy suburb with such corners like this hosting lot
of strange and nice people). Well, the skies are all gray with rain
and snow now :-( I was glad I got a tiny bit of setting sun for a
nearby thing I came to photograph originally. Same time, "svetsky"
(sorry, I don't know of same conotation English word for circus
people) were dismantling their things. Lot of nice pictures against
the background of the concrete panels houses, but none of them turned
out right. In the small DSLR viewfinder, I couldn't quite see if a man
dismantling sort of mobile Russian wheel (ferris wheel for you across
the pond(s)?) was looking at, although his face was quite detailed in
the raw file. IstD would have helped a bit, but I am stuck with
another system unfortunately. The best would have been an LX with
SE60 screen ;-)

Good light!
   fra

Re: eBay question

[Peter J. Alling]

Bob Blakely wrote:
No.
Bidding AFTER the last moment is counterproductive.
You can say that again...
:)
I have always found that bidding at the very last moment is MOST 
productive.

1.It keeps me from bidding again when I find that I've been out bid.
2.It keeps others from bidding again when they find that I've out 
bid them.

Regards,
Bob...
From: "David Zaninovic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Bidding before the last moment is counterproductive. :)



--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: M42 Pentax history

[Peter J. Alling]

Try this.  There are a couple more but I don't have them bookmarked on 
this system.

http://www.shmgo-zwolle.nl/spotmatic/index2.html
Margus Männik wrote:
Hi there,
do we have any M42 Asahi web resource similar to mr. Dmitrov's K-mount 
page? Or at least any site where ALL (ok, more or less...) produced 
M42 bodies would be described?

BR, Margus
Tallinn, Estonia


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: PESO ('s) Ohio Cafe, etc... and notes on photo.net

[frank theriault]

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:19:35 -0500, Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Geez.. it should have been so hard to get an image
> up
> I started with just one...
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2865228
> 
> I think you guys have seen that one before, but it
> is a NON Pentax
> 
> I had to use the Save for Web thing in Photo shop
> to get it uploaded --
> two or three other shots fell by the wayside until
> I got that straightened out -
> I thought there were other problems
> 
> I presume you guys will know what this is and how
> I did it.
> http://users.rcn.com/annsan/notmyusualstyle.jpg
> 
> and I needed a kitten for comfort.
> http://users.rcn.com/annsan/norasnewkitten2.jpg
> (with the digicam)
> 
> Sadly, after I sent this picture out to some
> friends who have met the little guy,
> one of them wrote me that he had died at the vet
> under anasthesia where we
> was taken to be altered last week.  I took the
> pictures in September - sure wish
> I had sent one to my friend before the kitty left
> us - but she really hates email so
> probably would not see it unless one of her
> daughters was there to retrieve it.
> 
> I really babble when I'm sick, guys sorry
> 
> ann achoo achoo san
> 

Hey, Ann,

1)  Sorry to hear you're sick.  Hope you get over your cold soon (but
- and not to scare you or anything - there's a cold going around
Toronto that just seems to hang on forever and ever)

2)  I like the diner shot.  Very moody.  I like the composition:  the
angle of the table, the cool lighting from the window.  It's just so
~ordinary~ and almost prosaic, but that's what I like about it.  A
slice o' life, something that most people would miss, but you didn't. 
Love it.

3)  The one of the lights is interesting, but not really my thing.  I
am curious, though, how you did it.  I haven't read the other comments
or your replies, so if you've already answered it, don't bother again.

4)  What a beautiful cat, and so beautifully captured!  I love the
chair leg in there - one can tell that the cat's in full stretch, even
without seeing it's body below the neck. So sad to hear of its
untimely demise, even sadder that it was due to such a routine
operation.  Poor Nora must be devastated;  I'd be.

All in all, some pretty cool shots there, Ann. 

get well soon,
frank 


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Northern Lights

[michal mesko]

Hello List,

just saw the first aurora in my life. It was very pretty, but at least as much 
educative. Here are the lessons learned:

I have been looking for a geomagnetic storm since I came to Finland, checking 
the monitoring site (http://www.sec.noaa.gov/rt_plots/kp_3d.html) almost daily. 
As the gray-steel skies started to break up at the sunset today, I rushed to 
the city to buy rolls of Provia 400F, one of the films generally recommended 
for aurora photography.

Being young and naive, I set out to photograph the lights right after twilight 
at 5pm. My idea was that aurora would dance over the sky for the whole night, 
only to disappear with the first rays of the dawn. :) After more than two hours 
of stumbling through the scary dark forest and catching cold by the lake, I 
packed up and went home. Of course an hour later, the lights did appear. 
Rushing to the lake again, I lent my tripod to a friend to play with and went 
looking for The Perfect Composition. By the time I found it, the sky turned 
dark again.

Puzzled, I approached a seasoned (or so it seemed) aurora photographer on the 
scene. He explained that aurora usually passes our latitude from 10pm to 11pm 
going down from north to south. It returns after midnight at 1am, going back 
north again. Apparently, it is one of those things everyone but me knows. ;-) 
It has something to do with the position of sun, he even carried a PDA to check 
the angle at which the solar winds hit the atmosphere. 

I then inquired about the exposure times. What he used is very inconsistent 
with the resources on the internet 
(http://www.ptialaska.net/~hutch/aurora.html,
http://w1.877.telia.com/~u87717747/english/bildarkiv_4.htm and more), where 
they talk about 400 speed, fast lens and about 30 second exposures. He was 
using f2.0 lens, ISO 50 and about four seconds! My friends digital camera had 
the right exposures at ISO 100, f2.8 and 8-15 seconds. Anything longer and the 
photo was blown out. And the aurora was supposedly on the faint side.

Sorry for the long post. :] I would like to hear comments of experienced aurora 
photographers, anyone?

Mike
(http://skwid.wz.cz)



Svetova kniznica SME - literarne klenoty 20. storocia - http://knihy.sme.sk

Re: PESO - 17 mile drive

[Ann Sanfedele]

Bruce Dayton wrote:

> Well, I have been very busy for the last month or so and have had
> a hard time even trying to keep up with the list, let alone the
> PESO's.
>
>
> Here is the first - shot on *istD, DA 16-45, handheld.  As we got on
> the 17 mile drive, it was late afternoon and the clouds were rolling
> in.  This shot reflects the feelings of the time. Not dark, but
> certainly not a sunny evening.
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/pinnacles_0100.htm
>
> Comments welcome.
>
> Bruce

Lovely, Bruce - my favorite kind of sky  - and the best weather for the
beach for moi.

annsan

p.s. Find any stray golf balls on the beach?

RE: Idaho Skies Sunday Night

[Tom C]

Thanks Shel... some of them are pretty psychedelic...

Tom C.


From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Idaho Skies Sunday Night
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 19:11:22 -0800
Very nice ... I've never seen anything quite like that since taking acid in
the summer of 1967   seriously, super dooper!
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 11/8/2004 4:16:18 PM
> Subject: Idaho Skies Sunday Night
>
> I walked outside and noticed a weird sky Sunday evening, checked to see
if a
> geomagnetic storm was in progress, and started shooting.  Space weather
> sites categorized it as extreme.
[...]
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/presentation.tcl?presentation_id=265867

Re: M42 Pentax history

[Fred Widall]

Margus,

Dario's incredible site should tell you everything you might wish
to know.

http://www.aohc.it/

Other good sites are
http://www.pentaximaging.com/world_of_pentax/history_of_innovations/index.jsp
http://www.concentric.net/%7Esherfy/special1.html
http://www.marriottworld.com/ccm%20articles/spotmatic.htm

That should get you going !!

Re: PESO - 17 mile drive

[frank theriault]

On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:30:40 -0800, Bruce Dayton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, I have been very busy for the last month or so and have had
> a hard time even trying to keep up with the list, let alone the
> PESO's.
> 
> This past weekend my wife and I had to pick up our oldest daughter
> from a band competition in Monterey, CA.  We took advantage of the
> opportunity to visit Pinnacles National Monument (a first for us) and
> a drive on 17 mile drive near Carmel.  I'll try to post some of the
> pics of the trip over the next few days.
> 
> Here is the first - shot on *istD, DA 16-45, handheld.  As we got on
> the 17 mile drive, it was late afternoon and the clouds were rolling
> in.  This shot reflects the feelings of the time. Not dark, but
> certainly not a sunny evening.
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/pinnacles_0100.htm
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 
> 

Bruce,

You always capture "mood" so well, and this is yet another example of it.

Just a beautiful photo!

thanks,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: eBay question

[Cotty]

On 9/11/04, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed:

>1.It keeps me from bidding again when I find that I've been out bid.
>2.It keeps others from bidding again when they find that I've out bid 
>them.

Couldn't put it any better Bob.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: eBay question

[Bob Blakely]

No.
Bidding AFTER the last moment is counterproductive.
:)
I have always found that bidding at the very last moment is MOST productive.
1.It keeps me from bidding again when I find that I've been out bid.
2.It keeps others from bidding again when they find that I've out bid 
them.

Regards,
Bob...
From: "David Zaninovic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Bidding before the last moment is counterproductive. :)

Re: PAW: Black and white and colour

[frank theriault]

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:34:26 +1100, Leon Altoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> It's time for another picture from me.  This one is digitally
> manipulated, and similar to one I've done before, but here it is.
> 
> http://www.bluering.org.au/leon/feature.htm
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 
>  Leon
> 
> http://www.bluering.org.au
> http://www.bluering.org.au/leon
> 

Just for a change, I looked at the other comments before doing mine.

First, I do like the composition.  The fact that the big rock's dead
centre doesn't bother me - I like the curve of the coastline (or at
least the way it's depicted, with only the bottom and top visible. 
The pattern of the waves is interesting - between the coast on the
left and the waves, there's enough tension in the photo for me.

I'm not sure the colour/b&w mix is my bag.  Other than the big rock,
the rest of the photo (the b&w part) is very dark, which is fine,
since it looks like it was a dark, miserable day.  Having the rock
brighter is a good idea - I think that if it was a b&w print, I'd want
to dodge it big time, so that it contrasts the rest of the photo -
those nice horizontal patterns would stand out nicely.

Your sort of did that (in terms of the brightness of the rock, which
is about right, IMHO), but I just find the colour/b&w mix a bit, I
don't know, contrived and gimmicky.  That's not a comment on your
photo or your choice of how to present it, but rather a comment on me
and my tastes, I'm afraid.

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PAW: Big Brother

[frank theriault]

On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:42:16 +0100, Frantisek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks. The issue of cropping or not was one I wanted some feedback
> on, which the PAW is interesting for. I wasn't so sure if to crop it or not. 
> How about this?
> 
> I made two alterations,
> 
> first slight crop:
> 
> http://fotof.wz.cz/paw/pawcrop.jpg
> 
> second altering the hue of the sky to better resemble what I remember
> (but the first one colour's is more contrasty to the orange buildings)
> 
> http://fotof.wz.cz/paw/pawcrop2.jpg
> 
> What do you think?

I think I might like it cropped a little bit less.  The way it is
after the crop, the face looks much bigger, more ominous.  Before, he
looked benign and friendly.  I would say that about 1/2 way between
your crop and the original would look best.

As for the colouration, the second one certainly looks more "natural",
but I kind of like the saturated colours - like you said, they work of
the colour of the buildings better - kind of a surreal look.




-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?

[John Whittingham]

Thanks Peter, I've been using my AF280T since I got the MZ-3 but thought I 
might try the AF400FTZ, I located one at a bargain price, the AF500FTZ holds 
it's price very well and I couldn't imagine it being worth the use I give my 
flashes.

John



-- Original Message ---
From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:03:47 -0500
Subject: Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?

> Actually no,  I use old AF280T flashes.  Since the MZ-3 and ZX5n 
> don't seem to be capable of higher than sync (125/100 respectively), 
> speed flash I didn't see any point in upgrading to the AF400FTZ. 
>  The results with the AF280T are very good as long as I keep within 
> limitations imposed by the flashes output.
> 
> John Whittingham wrote:
> 
> >>It is in the LX, MZ-3 ZX5n in my experience.  There have been 
> >>problems reported with the *ist-d.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Hi Peter
> >
> >Ever tried the MZ-3 ZX-5n with the AF400FTZ, would you care to comment on 
> >performance?
> >
> >John
> >
> >
> >-- Original Message ---
> >From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:54:24 -0500
> >Subject: Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
> >
> >  
> >
> >>It is in the LX, MZ-3 ZX5n in my experience.  There have been 
> >>problems reported with the *ist-d.
> >>
> >>David Zaninovic wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> I have given up on using the istD with TTL flash.
> It is totally useless in this regard.
>    
> 
> 
> 
> >>>Shouldn't the TTL flash be more precise than auto flash ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>-- 
> >>I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
> >>During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
> >>and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during 
> >>peacetime.  --P.J. O'Rourke
> >>
> >>
> >--- End of Original Message ---
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> -- 
> I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
> During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
> and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during 
> peacetime.--P.J. O'Rourke
--- End of Original Message ---

Re: PESO - 17 mile drive

[Cotty]

On 9/11/04, Bruce Dayton, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Here is the first - shot on *istD, DA 16-45, handheld.  As we got on
>the 17 mile drive, it was late afternoon and the clouds were rolling
>in.  This shot reflects the feelings of the time. Not dark, but
>certainly not a sunny evening.
>
>http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/pinnacles_0100.htm

BEAUTIFUL. I can smell the sea and hear the waves now. Superb. Thanks.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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M42 Pentax history

[Margus Männik]

Hi there,
do we have any M42 Asahi web resource similar to mr. Dmitrov's K-mount 
page? Or at least any site where ALL (ok, more or less...) produced M42 
bodies would be described?

BR, Margus
Tallinn, Estonia

Re: eBay question

[Cotty]

On 9/11/04, David Zaninovic, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Bidding before the last moment is counterproductive. :)

Not from where I'm sat.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: PESO - 17 mile drive

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Tom,

It was shot in Raw.  Processed through C1 LE.  Almost no changes in C1
from camera settings.  Then processed in Picture Window Pro.  First
masked the sky at the horizon.  Foreground was lightened a bit and
saturated for the "velvia" look needed for this drab day.  Sky was
saturated separately less than the foreground.

Single shot, no blending, just some masking.  Glad that you liked it.

Bruce


Tuesday, November 9, 2004, 12:50:04 PM, you wrote:

TC> Lovely shot Bruce.  I see an excellent composition.  I like how the rocks on
TC> the left lead the eye out into the water. The subtle color contrasts are
TC> just beautiful.

TC> I'm curious what mode this was shot in... Raw, JPG, TIF?  Is it a single
TC> shot or a blend of several exposures?.  In any case it's beautful and a nice
TC> piece if art.



TC> Tom C.




>>From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: PESO - 17 mile drive
>>Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:30:40 -0800
>>
>>Well, I have been very busy for the last month or so and have had
>>a hard time even trying to keep up with the list, let alone the
>>PESO's.
>>
>>This past weekend my wife and I had to pick up our oldest daughter
>>from a band competition in Monterey, CA.  We took advantage of the
>>opportunity to visit Pinnacles National Monument (a first for us) and
>>a drive on 17 mile drive near Carmel.  I'll try to post some of the
>>pics of the trip over the next few days.
>>
>>Here is the first - shot on *istD, DA 16-45, handheld.  As we got on
>>the 17 mile drive, it was late afternoon and the clouds were rolling
>>in.  This shot reflects the feelings of the time. Not dark, but
>>certainly not a sunny evening.
>>
>>http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/pinnacles_0100.htm
>>
>>Comments welcome.
>>
>>
>>Bruce
>>
>>
>>

Re: PESO - 17 mile drive

[Bruce Dayton]

Hmmm...That is all there is.  Having been there several times, there
is nothing out there beyond what you see.  I see the sun shafts out on
the horizon and that resolves the image for me.  I think it is more of
a mood shot rather than a picture of a very specific subject that
leaps out at you.

Thanks for the comments.

Bruce


Tuesday, November 9, 2004, 11:47:48 AM, you wrote:

KW> Bruce as nice a capture as it is I'm  looking at it and
KW> asking is that all there is? The shore lines from left, center &
KW> right lead my eyes out to sea and leave me there.

KW> -Original Message-
KW> From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

KW> Subject: PESO - 17 mile drive

KW> Well, I have been very busy for the last month or so and have had
KW> a hard time even trying to keep up with the list, let alone the
KW> PESO's.

KW> This past weekend my wife and I had to pick up our oldest daughter
KW> from a band competition in Monterey, CA.  We took advantage of the
KW> opportunity to visit Pinnacles National Monument (a first for us) and
KW> a drive on 17 mile drive near Carmel.  I'll try to post some of the
KW> pics of the trip over the next few days.

KW> Here is the first - shot on *istD, DA 16-45, handheld.  As we got on
KW> the 17 mile drive, it was late afternoon and the clouds were rolling
KW> in.  This shot reflects the feelings of the time. Not dark, but
KW> certainly not a sunny evening.

KW> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/pinnacles_0100.htm

KW> Comments welcome.


KW> Bruce





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RE: PESO - 17 mile drive

[Tom C]

Lovely shot Bruce.  I see an excellent composition.  I like how the rocks on 
the left lead the eye out into the water. The subtle color contrasts are 
just beautiful.

I'm curious what mode this was shot in... Raw, JPG, TIF?  Is it a single 
shot or a blend of several exposures?.  In any case it's beautful and a nice 
piece if art.


Tom C.


From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PESO - 17 mile drive
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:30:40 -0800
Well, I have been very busy for the last month or so and have had
a hard time even trying to keep up with the list, let alone the
PESO's.
This past weekend my wife and I had to pick up our oldest daughter
from a band competition in Monterey, CA.  We took advantage of the
opportunity to visit Pinnacles National Monument (a first for us) and
a drive on 17 mile drive near Carmel.  I'll try to post some of the
pics of the trip over the next few days.
Here is the first - shot on *istD, DA 16-45, handheld.  As we got on
the 17 mile drive, it was late afternoon and the clouds were rolling
in.  This shot reflects the feelings of the time. Not dark, but
certainly not a sunny evening.
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/pinnacles_0100.htm
Comments welcome.
Bruce

Re: PAW: Black and white and colour

[Kenneth Waller]

Well done Leon, I especially like the composition - simple & uncluttered. 

Kenneth Waller

-Original Message-
From: Leon Altoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Nov 9, 2004 1:34 AM
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PAW: Black and white and colour

Hi all,

It's time for another picture from me.  This one is digitally
manipulated, and similar to one I've done before, but here it is.

http://www.bluering.org.au/leon/feature.htm

Comments welcome.


 Leon

http://www.bluering.org.au
http://www.bluering.org.au/leon





PeoplePC Online
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Re: PESO - 17 mile drive

[Kenneth Waller]

Bruce as nice a capture as it is I'm  looking at it and asking is that all 
there is? The shore lines from left, center & right lead my eyes out to sea and 
leave me there.

-Original Message-
From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: PESO - 17 mile drive

Well, I have been very busy for the last month or so and have had
a hard time even trying to keep up with the list, let alone the
PESO's.

This past weekend my wife and I had to pick up our oldest daughter
from a band competition in Monterey, CA.  We took advantage of the
opportunity to visit Pinnacles National Monument (a first for us) and
a drive on 17 mile drive near Carmel.  I'll try to post some of the
pics of the trip over the next few days.

Here is the first - shot on *istD, DA 16-45, handheld.  As we got on
the 17 mile drive, it was late afternoon and the clouds were rolling
in.  This shot reflects the feelings of the time. Not dark, but
certainly not a sunny evening.

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/pinnacles_0100.htm

Comments welcome.


Bruce






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Re: Woodstock photos - where are they now?

[Ann Sanfedele]

10 years after Woodstock Rex Weiner and Deanne Stillman published
WOODSTOCK CENSUS  (viking press, ISBN 0-670-78206-8)

I was working as a computer spec writer then and did the tab work on it.
The questions were wild and the answers, too - but even 10 years later,
alas, most of them became lawyers and accountants.

it is a fun read, - the keypunchers sure enjoyed reading the open end
questions!

annsan she who has word many hats


Butch Black wrote:

> They're now all 50 something lawyers and accountants :)
>
> Dan wrote
>
> Where are all the nekkid hippies?
>
> Amita Guha wrote:
>
> >Last month, we spent a weekend up in Woodstock, NY. I wanted to get these
> >photos up before our trip this week:
> >http://sunny16.smugmug.com/gallery/278207
> >
> >I shot exclusively with the Tamron 90mm and the Tokina 24-200mm on the
> >*istD.

Re: Woodstock photos

[Ann Sanfedele]

Amita Guha wrote:

> Last month, we spent a weekend up in Woodstock, NY. I wanted to get these
> photos up before our trip this week:
> http://sunny16.smugmug.com/gallery/278207
>
> I shot exclusively with the Tamron 90mm and the Tokina 24-200mm on the
> *istD.
>
> Amita

Amita - photo number 5 jumped out at me first...
some nice stuff here but I think the portfolio as a whole would be stronger
if
you cut back on the "near dups"  - always hard to chose, I know.  from
8,9,11,12  - pick one you like best..
also, one of either 3 and 4 ... etc...  I think would make for a stronger
presentation on the 1st page...

Looks like you are working hard!

Best,
ann

Re: PESO - 17 mile drive

[pnstenquist]

Beautiful photo. I love the light and the richness of the color. Nice work.
Paul


> Well, I have been very busy for the last month or so and have had
> a hard time even trying to keep up with the list, let alone the
> PESO's.
> 
> This past weekend my wife and I had to pick up our oldest daughter
> from a band competition in Monterey, CA.  We took advantage of the
> opportunity to visit Pinnacles National Monument (a first for us) and
> a drive on 17 mile drive near Carmel.  I'll try to post some of the
> pics of the trip over the next few days.
> 
> Here is the first - shot on *istD, DA 16-45, handheld.  As we got on
> the 17 mile drive, it was late afternoon and the clouds were rolling
> in.  This shot reflects the feelings of the time. Not dark, but
> certainly not a sunny evening.
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/pinnacles_0100.htm
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
> 

Re: Airport X-ray and films

[Bob W]

Hi,

> So, where to keep the films ?

> http://www.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/11/09/bt.xray.reut/index.html

they should fit quite nicely inside the barrels of a shotgun.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

Re: photo.net help - phew - back in!

[Ann Sanfedele]

>

Paul, thanks much for your help - that signing up again helped.
Apparently I had to resubmit all the details i had put in when I first
signed
on months ago.  Sigh.

Now I have to work on getting a portfolio up.

annsan

RE: PESO - 17 mile drive

[Shel Belinkoff]

Brings back some fond memories 

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 11/9/2004 10:35:46 AM
> Subject: PESO - 17 mile drive
>
> Well, I have been very busy for the last month or so and have had
> a hard time even trying to keep up with the list, let alone the
> PESO's.
>
> This past weekend my wife and I had to pick up our oldest daughter
> from a band competition in Monterey, CA.  We took advantage of the
> opportunity to visit Pinnacles National Monument (a first for us) and
> a drive on 17 mile drive near Carmel.  I'll try to post some of the
> pics of the trip over the next few days.
>
> Here is the first - shot on *istD, DA 16-45, handheld.  As we got on
> the 17 mile drive, it was late afternoon and the clouds were rolling
> in.  This shot reflects the feelings of the time. Not dark, but
> certainly not a sunny evening.
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/pinnacles_0100.htm
>
> Comments welcome.
>
>
> Bruce
>
>

Re: PESO - 17 mile drive

[Christian]

Bruce Dayton wrote on 11/9/2004, 1:30 PM:


 > http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/pinnacles_0100.htm
 >

Great shot, Bruce.  Wonderful "mood."
The California coast is one of my favorite places to visit.  I haven't 
been to Monterey in 20+ years.  I need to get back.

-- 
Christian
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: eBay question

[David Zaninovic]

Bidding before the last moment is counterproductive. :)

- Original Message - 
From: "Don Sanderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 1:23 PM
Subject: RE: eBay question


> That's right pilgrim!
> On the count a' three y'all draw yer mouse and click! ;-)
> 
> Don
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 11:37 AM
> > To: pentax list
> > Subject: Re: eBay question
> > 
> > 
> > On 9/11/04, Don Sanderson, discombobulated, unleashed:
> > 
> > >No one ever sees my bid till it's too late.
> > >I either win or lose with that one bid, I
> > >NEVER bid more than once.
> > >
> > >Don
> > 
> > Thems fightin words don 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers,
> >   Cotty
> > 
> > 
> > ___/\__
> > ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> > ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
> > _
> > 
> > 
> 

PESO - 17 mile drive

[Bruce Dayton]

Well, I have been very busy for the last month or so and have had
a hard time even trying to keep up with the list, let alone the
PESO's.

This past weekend my wife and I had to pick up our oldest daughter
from a band competition in Monterey, CA.  We took advantage of the
opportunity to visit Pinnacles National Monument (a first for us) and
a drive on 17 mile drive near Carmel.  I'll try to post some of the
pics of the trip over the next few days.

Here is the first - shot on *istD, DA 16-45, handheld.  As we got on
the 17 mile drive, it was late afternoon and the clouds were rolling
in.  This shot reflects the feelings of the time. Not dark, but
certainly not a sunny evening.

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/pinnacles_0100.htm

Comments welcome.


Bruce

RE: eBay question

[Don Sanderson]

That's right pilgrim!
On the count a' three y'all draw yer mouse and click! ;-)

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 11:37 AM
> To: pentax list
> Subject: Re: eBay question
> 
> 
> On 9/11/04, Don Sanderson, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >No one ever sees my bid till it's too late.
> >I either win or lose with that one bid, I
> >NEVER bid more than once.
> >
> >Don
> 
> Thems fightin words don 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
> _
> 
> 

RE: eBay question

[Jens Bladt]

Quite right! 

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 9. november 2004 18:52
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: RE: eBay question


Of course keeping your secret bid secret
IS VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY important. 


People/snipers could bid slightly
less than your max and drive up the price
you pay knowing that they are not going to
be the buyer! 

Revealing the secret proxy bidding bids would essentially
DESTROY ebay and its never going to happen.

JCO

-Original Message-
From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 12:31 PM
To: pentax list
Subject: Re: eBay question


On 9/11/04, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Sorry - you are right Cotty - the actual high bid isn't shown, only the

>reached bid price. If I bid 100 USD and the second highest bidder has 
>bid 46 USD the high bid will read 47 USD (if the bid increment is 1 
>USD). My 100 USD bid is not shown on the screen. That's at least 
>comforting, isn't it?

Neither here nor there for the snipers ;-)




Cheers,
  Cotty


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||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_

Re: PESO ('s) Ohio Cafe, etc... and notes on photo.net

[Ann Sanfedele]

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> Hi Ann ...
>
> The diner shot doesn't make it for me.  The large dark area behind the
> chair shows almost no detail, and is very distracting in that it causes the
> photo to be way out of balance and harmony.  Is there something more than a
> void behind the chair?  Let's see it.  The arrangement of the plates and
> silverware on the table is only so-so, and would, imo, probably be shown to
> better effect if there was more visible behind the chair.  The hat, I
> think, while adding a bit to the story, takes away from the strength of the
> image.  menu is a good touch  glad you kept it in.

Oh well.  I took one shot with a throw away camera.  I scanned from the print
not the neg, and photo.net didn't like my original so I had to go back into
photoshop after an hour of frustration on photo.net and use the CREATE FOR WEB
thing... so the technical glitches may have come from that.

Nothing behind that chair - too bad it doesn't work for you - it is one of my
favorites -
I do wish I'd gotten it with better equipment, but I'm lucky I was able to take
a picture at
all that day.   I do think it has enough emotional impact to share it with
others.  But
then you and I really are seldom on the same page re what we shoot and what we
like.

ann


>
>
> Cat pic: Really a cute and friendly looking cat.  It made me very upset to
> know that he died.  Then, when looking at his sweet face, my eyes welled up.
>
> Shel
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2865228
>
> > and I needed a kitten for comfort.
> > http://users.rcn.com/annsan/norasnewkitten2.jpg
> > (with the digicam)
> >
> > Sadly, after I sent this picture out to some
> > friends who have met the little guy,
> > one of them wrote me that he had died at the vet

RE: eBay question

[J. C. O'Connell]

Of course keeping your secret bid secret
IS VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY important. 


People/snipers could bid slightly
less than your max and drive up the price
you pay knowing that they are not going to
be the buyer! 

Revealing the secret proxy bidding bids would essentially
DESTROY ebay and its never going to happen.

JCO

-Original Message-
From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 12:31 PM
To: pentax list
Subject: Re: eBay question


On 9/11/04, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Sorry - you are right Cotty - the actual high bid isn't shown, only the

>reached bid price. If I bid 100 USD and the second highest bidder has 
>bid 46 USD the high bid will read 47 USD (if the bid increment is 1 
>USD). My 100 USD bid is not shown on the screen. That's at least 
>comforting, isn't it?

Neither here nor there for the snipers ;-)




Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_

RE: Airport X-ray and films

[Jens Bladt]

I guess pictures like this of celebrities like Brad Pitt, Mel Gibson, Kevin
Costner, Tom Cruise etc. could be worth quite a lot in the open market. Not
to mention Julia Roberts, Juliette Binoche, Jenifer Garner, Gwyneth Paltrow,
Meg Ryan, Cindy Crawford etc. etc.  :-)

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 9. november 2004 17:49
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: Airport X-ray and films


If it's safe for you' it's safe for the film.  Especially if you keep it
in a lead lined bag.
OTOH keeping something in such a bag will cause them to do a hand
search, since it will
clearly show up on the scanner.

I have other problems with this however which I doubt will ever be
addressed.

Caveman wrote:

> So, where to keep the films ?
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/11/09/bt.xray.reut/index.html
>
>


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war.
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during
peacetime.
--P.J. O'Rourke

RE: eBay question

[J. C. O'Connell]

I think why they are posting the data they
do now is there isnt anything shown now that you
couldn't have determined by following the
auction from the beginning continuously before but
not you don't have to bother with that heroic effort.
I like the change.
JCO

-Original Message-
From: Don Sanderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 12:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: eBay question


Actually it really doesn't tell you much
even though the bids show now.
You don't know what bids have been placed
manually and which by auto proxy, unless you 
care to watch the times very carefully.
You still have no clue what a persons *high
bid* is until he's *outbid*.
If you look carefully though you can sort of
seperate the "nibblers" from the serious bidders.
Has no effect at all on how I bid on an item.
I bid the maximum amount I'm willing to pay,
at the last possible instant.
No one ever sees my bid till it's too late.
I either win or lose with that one bid, I
NEVER bid more than once.

Don



> -Original Message-
> From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 2:42 AM
> To: pentax list
> Subject: eBay question
> 
> 
> Just today I noticed something different about eBay. Previously, bid 
> amounts (on the Bid History page) of each unfinished auction were 
> protected - hidden - until the auction ended. Has this policy changed,

> or is there a fault on eBay ? I can see every bid amount on all 
> ongoing auctions
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
> _
> 
> 

Re: PESO ('s) Ohio Cafe, etc... and notes on photo.net

[Ann Sanfedele]

thanks, Paul
That was a therapy shot for me.  When you are down and out pick up your
camera, thats what I say.
Funny that I used that shot for the first one, because I had a cold the
day I took it and
have one now.

Long story goes with it, but pretty boring :)   Suffice it to say I was
miserable that day,
but I escaped into the camera.  I wish I had taken it with a "real"
camera but the "real" cameras
were loaded with slower film and I was muddled anyway.

and Im pretty muddled now too :)

annsan

Paul Stenquist wrote:

> Hi Ann,
> I love your "On the road in Ohio." Makes me want to take a road trip
> and eat in some diners. Nice shot.
> On Nov 9, 2004, at 1:19 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>
> > Geez.. it should have been so hard to get an image
> > up
> > I started with just one...
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2865228
> >
> > I think you guys have seen that one before, but it
> > is a NON Pentax
> >
> > I had to use the Save for Web thing in Photo shop
> > to get it uploaded --
> > two or three other shots fell by the wayside until
> > I got that straightened out -
> > I thought there were other problems
> >
> > I presume you guys will know what this is and how
> > I did it.
> > http://users.rcn.com/annsan/notmyusualstyle.jpg
> >
> > and I needed a kitten for comfort.
> > http://users.rcn.com/annsan/norasnewkitten2.jpg
> > (with the digicam)
> >
> > Sadly, after I sent this picture out to some
> > friends who have met the little guy,
> > one of them wrote me that he had died at the vet
> > under anasthesia where we
> > was taken to be altered last week.  I took the
> > pictures in September - sure wish
> > I had sent one to my friend before the kitty left
> > us - but she really hates email so
> > probably would not see it unless one of her
> > daughters was there to retrieve it.
> >
> > I really babble when I'm sick, guys sorry
> >
> > ann achoo achoo san
> >
> >

Re: eBay question

[Cotty]

On 9/11/04, Don Sanderson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>No one ever sees my bid till it's too late.
>I either win or lose with that one bid, I
>NEVER bid more than once.
>
>Don

Thems fightin words don 






Cheers,
  Cotty


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||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_

Re: New Stuff to Show

[Cotty]

On 9/11/04, Butch Black, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I've pretty much standardized on Ilford Gallerie Smooth Gloss for printing
>on my Epson 2200. I still like the profiles for Pictorico gallery glossy
>paper better then the Ilford or Epson's profiles (for printing Ilford
>paper). They don't list one for the 4000. You could try using the 2200
>profile as the inks are the same (assuming you use profiles which I highly
>recommend) It would be worth a couple sheets of paper. Otherwise try the
>Epson profiles you can download from their site.
>
>
>
>Butch

Thanks Butch.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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_

Re: UK - Photog Doc tonight - P67?

[Cotty]

On 9/11/04, Rob Brigham, discombobulated, unleashed:

>The worst offender is a program called 'its nice to be xxx...' which the
>missus sometimes tries to watch where they look at the lifestyles of
>Rich & Famous.  All zooms and pans and flicking all over the place.
>Cookery programs often do the same now, although never as bad as this
>program...

NYPD Blue was an early adopter - I found it unwatchable.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_

Re: PEMOS:Update to: Work across Canada folder

[brooksdj]

Frank Said:> > 
> 
> Wonderful stuff there, Dave!
> 
> Thanks for posting it.
> 
> cheers,
> frank

>Then Cotty said:
>Nice stuff there Brooksy. Love the dude getting his hair cut :-)

>Great stuff. Thanks for posting.

Thanks fella's. One thing about a get home every night desk job, less 
travelling,less
pictures.LOL

I have more to add at a later date.

Dave

Re: eBay question

[Cotty]

On 9/11/04, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Sorry - you are right Cotty - the actual high bid isn't shown, only the
>reached bid price. If I bid 100 USD and the second highest bidder has bid 46
>USD the high bid will read 47 USD (if the bid increment is 1 USD). My 100
>USD bid is not shown on the screen. That's at least comforting, isn't it?

Neither here nor there for the snipers ;-)




Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_

Re: photo.net help

[Ann Sanfedele]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi Ann.
> I use an email to log in and a seperate password. Maybe your using the wrong 
> email or
> password.??
>
> Hummm. They dont seem overly helpful now do they.
>
> Dave

Hmmm well I checked the box for "notify me of comments' - then they wanted me 
to be
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and they would forward to my real one - wonder if that mucked 
it up.
I jsut thought I had to do it.  I don't have any web based email addresses I 
use my own for
everything,
except for having an alias on aol (dont ask it only costs $4.95 a month) That 
Ive had forever
and
never go to.

I thought it MIGHT have something to do with my clunky old browser.

I think I probably hit a wrong key on my password (I didnt forget it I wrote it 
down)
and they dont have you typing it twice like at other sites.

ann

>
>
> > So once I logged off  - I tried to 
> log on again
> > I put in my email, and what I thought I had typed
> > in as my password
> > and it said it was invalid.
> >
> > Ok so it says email us and it will send correct
> > password
> > But when I click on the "email us" line it goes me
> > an error.
> >
> > I am supposed to use my actual email address
> > right?
> > not the [EMAIL PROTECTED] for people to comment ?
> >
> > This is the error I get when I click not "email it
> > to you"
> >
> > Problem with Your Input
> >
> > to www.photo.net
> >
> > We had a problem processing your entry:
> >
> > This script requires a resend. Are you using
> > the form?
> >
> > Please back up using your browser, correct it, and
> > resubmit your entry.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > ___
> > Geez - sooo annoying...
> > I'm going to sleep soon I hope but Id much
> > appreciate any help from other photon users -
> > of course I wrote them, but they practically said
> > they didn't have time for this and might not
> > answer!
> > FRIENDLY!
> >
> > annsan the annoyed and perplexed
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Color Print Film Question

[Albano Garcia]

Agfa Ultra (iso 100)

Regards

Albano

--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What would be a good choice of color print film for
> a heavily overcast day.
> Slower speed films preferred.  I was thinking of
> Reala as it seems punchy
> enuf to overcame the greyness of the day.
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 
> 


=
Albano Garcia
Photography & Graphic Design
http://www.albanogarcia.com.ar
http://www.flaneur.com.ar
 
 

 






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RE: PEMOS:Update to: Work across Canada folder

[brooksdj]

> This is very intersting. Perhaps I 
should start 
scanning old negs and slides
> as well, even though my work is not that spectacular or picturesque.
> regards
> 
> Jens Bladt

Thanks and i'm glad you liked them.I have quite a few from work,but they tend 
to be
repetative,so i 
have to be selective.

Dave

RE: eBay question

[Don Sanderson]

Actually it really doesn't tell you much
even though the bids show now.
You don't know what bids have been placed
manually and which by auto proxy, unless you 
care to watch the times very carefully.
You still have no clue what a persons *high
bid* is until he's *outbid*.
If you look carefully though you can sort of
seperate the "nibblers" from the serious bidders.
Has no effect at all on how I bid on an item.
I bid the maximum amount I'm willing to pay,
at the last possible instant.
No one ever sees my bid till it's too late.
I either win or lose with that one bid, I
NEVER bid more than once.

Don



> -Original Message-
> From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 2:42 AM
> To: pentax list
> Subject: eBay question
> 
> 
> Just today I noticed something different about eBay. Previously, bid
> amounts (on the Bid History page) of each unfinished auction were
> protected - hidden - until the auction ended. Has this policy changed, or
> is there a fault on eBay ? I can see every bid amount on all ongoing
> auctions
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
> _
> 
> 

Re: photo.net help

[Ann Sanfedele]

Paul Stenquist wrote:

> Photo net has some glitches from time to time. You should be using your
> actual e-mail address. However, if you typed it in wrong previously,
> Photo Net may not have it. Try again, and if it still doesn't work,
> register again using your correct e-mail address. It will tell you if
> that address is already registered to a member. If all else fails, open
> a hotmail e-mail box and register a new photo net account. I did
> exactly that in order to post some pics that I didn't want in my photo
> net folders. (Snapshots from a class reunion. I heard someone's mind
> working overtime :-)
> Paul

Thanks, Paul
I tried about 3 times last night - but I'll try again - however, as I PAID
already
through Paypal  sigh -

The other annoyance was it was insisiting a post a month date and year for
when I
took a photo, as if everyone had a date stamp on their images. sheesh.

ann

>
> On Nov 9, 2004, at 1:55 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>
> > So once I logged off  - I tried to log on again
> > I put in my email, and what I thought I had typed
> > in as my password
> > and it said it was invalid.
> >
> > Ok so it says email us and it will send correct
> > password
> > But when I click on the "email us" line it goes me
> > an error.
> >
> > I am supposed to use my actual email address
> > right?
> > not the [EMAIL PROTECTED] for people to comment ?
> >
> > This is the error I get when I click not "email it
> > to you"
> >
> > Problem with Your Input
> >
> > to www.photo.net
> >
> > We had a problem processing your entry:
> >
> > This script requires a resend. Are you using
> > the form?
> >
> > Please back up using your browser, correct it, and
> > resubmit your entry.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > ___
> > Geez - sooo annoying...
> > I'm going to sleep soon I hope but Id much
> > appreciate any help from other photon users -
> > of course I wrote them, but they practically said
> > they didn't have time for this and might not
> > answer!
> > FRIENDLY!
> >
> > annsan the annoyed and perplexed
> >
> >
> >

Re: eBay question

[Keith Whaley]

Cotty wrote:
On 9/11/04, Keith Whaley, discombobulated, unleashed:

Hah! Small wonder you say, "Hooroo" all the time.
Using all those OS's has made you bonkers!  

Keith, can you see the bid amounts on any unfinished auction on .com ?
I'll go look...
Yes, I can.
I opened an auction window with an item for sale in it, and under the 
"bid history" I clicked on that number, say, "9 bids," and sure enough, 
all bidders and their respective amounts did show up.
I notice it does say:
"Only actual bids (not automatic bids generated up to a bidder's 
maximum) are shown."

Therefore, if I use my usual strategy of placing my maximum bid early 
on, and let their automatic "raise you $2" scheme take over the bidding 
for me, those amounts will apparently not be shown.
I haven't thought about it all that much, but that seems a bit odd...

keith
Cheers,
  Cotty

Re: Airport X-ray and films

[Peter J. Alling]

If it's safe for you' it's safe for the film.  Especially if you keep it 
in a lead lined bag.
OTOH keeping something in such a bag will cause them to do a hand 
search, since it will
clearly show up on the scanner.

I have other problems with this however which I doubt will ever be 
addressed. 

Caveman wrote:
So, where to keep the films ?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/11/09/bt.xray.reut/index.html


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

RE: OT: Rebates

[Don Sanderson]

Actually it stands for "Off Topic"!
Covers about 75% of the posts. ;-)

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Jolly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 10:12 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: OT: Rebates
> 
> 
> Caveman wrote:
> > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0411/04110803canonnikon_slrrebates.asp
> 
> "OT" standing for "On-Topic", I presume?  I've often considered adopting 
> that way of marking posts to this list... :-)
> 
> S
> 

Re: Woodstock photos

[Butch Black]

They're now all 50 something lawyers and accountants :)

Dan wrote

Where are all the nekkid hippies?

Amita Guha wrote:

>Last month, we spent a weekend up in Woodstock, NY. I wanted to get these
>photos up before our trip this week:
>http://sunny16.smugmug.com/gallery/278207
>
>I shot exclusively with the Tamron 90mm and the Tokina 24-200mm on the
>*istD. 

RE: UK - Photog Doc tonight - P67?

[Rob Brigham]

The worst offender is a program called 'its nice to be xxx...' which the
missus sometimes tries to watch where they look at the lifestyles of
Rich & Famous.  All zooms and pans and flicking all over the place.
Cookery programs often do the same now, although never as bad as this
program...

> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Jolly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 09 November 2004 16:10
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: UK - Photog Doc tonight - P67?
> 
> 
> Cotty wrote:
> > To be honest I thought the doc was crap. It was shot in a bitty 
> > handheld style that makes me feel ill. The woman herself I 
> found to be 
> > shallow and aimless. He photography was okay if you like 
> the style but 
> > IMO it was an hour too long ;-)
> 
> I hope I'm not the only one to get incredibly annoyed by producers 
> skimping on the cost of steadicam operators and rigs (or maybe just 
> tripods) and then marketing their programmes as "edgy"...
> 
> S
> 
> 

Re: New Stuff to Show

[Butch Black]

On 8/11/04, Larry Hodgson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I have not yet tried Ilford Gallerie. Thanks for the tip. Next time I order
>paper I'll give it a try.

Larry, I use the Smooth Gloss for mounting behind glass, and the Smooth
Pearl for everything else. I must give the others a try sometime.

best




Cheers,
  Cotty


I've pretty much standardized on Ilford Gallerie Smooth Gloss for printing
on my Epson 2200. I still like the profiles for Pictorico gallery glossy
paper better then the Ilford or Epson's profiles (for printing Ilford
paper). They don't list one for the 4000. You could try using the 2200
profile as the inks are the same (assuming you use profiles which I highly
recommend) It would be worth a couple sheets of paper. Otherwise try the
Epson profiles you can download from their site.



Butch

Re: OT: Rebates

[Steve Jolly]

Caveman wrote:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0411/04110803canonnikon_slrrebates.asp
"OT" standing for "On-Topic", I presume?  I've often considered adopting 
that way of marking posts to this list... :-)

S

Airport X-ray and films

[Caveman]

So, where to keep the films ?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/11/09/bt.xray.reut/index.html

Re: UK - Photog Doc tonight - P67?

[Steve Jolly]

Cotty wrote:
To be honest I thought the doc was crap. It was shot in a bitty handheld
style that makes me feel ill. The woman herself I found to be shallow and
aimless. He photography was okay if you like the style but IMO it was an
hour too long ;-)
I hope I'm not the only one to get incredibly annoyed by producers 
skimping on the cost of steadicam operators and rigs (or maybe just 
tripods) and then marketing their programmes as "edgy"...

S

Re: OT: Rebates

[Peter J. Alling]

So, the digital price wars heat up. You knew it would happen.  I'm 
waiting for them to
give me the camera and  a check before I'll get a modern Canon.

Caveman wrote:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0411/04110803canonnikon_slrrebates.asp


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: PAW: Black and white and colour

[Frantisek]

I the idea of local colour can be very good if used well. But used here,
it is too "perfect", for this picture.

>> [Original Message]
>> From: Leon Altoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> It's time for another picture from me.  This one is digitally
>> manipulated, and similar to one I've done before, but here it is.
>>
>> http://www.bluering.org.au/leon/feature.htm






Good light!
   fra