Re: PESO: Frozen Pond

2006-02-13 Thread Rick Womer
Thanks, Adam.  I had to shoot the snow while we have
it; it's supposed to be 55F/13C by the end of the
week.  Grey slush isn't nearly so pretty!

Showing my ignorance, which metropolis is nicknamed
Hawgtown?

Rick

--- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Great shot. Love the snow.
 
 I'm missing the snow this year, we've barely had
 any. Luckily I've 
 gotten some great shots of the little snow we've had
 here in Hawgtown.
 
 -Adam
 
 
 
 Rick Womer wrote:
  Another in my On My Way to Work series.
  
  We had a bit of snow here in the northeastern US,
 and
  I tarried on my walk to work to shoot a little.
  
 
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4119836
  
  Optio 33L, +0.7 exposure comp., slightly cropped.
  
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Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE -- back to the subject

2006-02-13 Thread E.R.N. Reed

Tim Sherburne wrote:


I had the same question, too...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/umdiaumafoto/24763474/in/photostream/

t

On 2/13/06 10:26, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 


Does anyone still have the URL?


Thanks -- bookmarked.



RE: New High End DSLR Speculation

2006-02-13 Thread Jens Bladt
It is perhaps true, that more wxposure reduces the noice - I never thought
of that - didn't know. Speaking of which, makes mem remamber, that I made a
flash shot last week - by mistake at 3200 ASA - I had forgotten to reset the
ISO. I was actually surpprised, that the noise wasn't all that bad. Take a
look - these are heavyly croped -the biggest is about 50% of the frame. I
have added a little blur, in order to be kind to the subject ;-) I's
difficult to actially see this is ISO 3200, right:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/99338192/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/99338273/in/photostream/

Overexposing in order to reduce noise, will still require even longer
speeds, thus more ISO!
I will try to do this next time I need a lot of speed. Thanks for the
advice.

But I frequently have to use Neat Image to try to restore photographs made
at ISO 3200.
I would like not to have to.
I still want lower noice from the next generation of Petntax DSLR's - which
was what we were originally discussing.

I use film too - most often for 6x6 shots, but never faster tnan ISO 400.
I did som comcert shots somtime ago. Using Fuji Superia 1600 ASA film -
brilliant film - but still a little noicy, but in fact less noisy than the
PRO Fuji 800:

http://gallery68719.fotopic.net/p4796505.html
Shot with MZ-S or Super A using Fuji Superia 1600 ASA.

PS: Thanks for the nice words about my noisy shots...;-)
regards
Jens

Jens Bladt
http://www.jensbladt.dk

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 13. februar 2006 19:24
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: New High End DSLR Speculation


Jens

I see nothing wrong with these photos that a half-stop more exposure
wouldn't cure. They seem to be slightly flat and underexposed,
exaggerating the noise characteristics. Were they originally captured
in RAW or JPEG format? If RAW format was used, I'd have given them a
+0.7EV compensation correction.

Godfrey

On Feb 13, 2006, at 9:18 AM, Jens Bladt wrote:

 I just want low noise at high ISO speeds. Other manufacturers makes
 digital
 cameras with less noise at 1600-3200 ISO. I have had quite a few
 complaints
 about the noise. Take a look for your self, this is not acceptable
 for a pro
 level camera:
 http://www.jensbladt.dk/Bedste-dag-album/index.html





Re: PESO - Green

2006-02-13 Thread Gaurav Aggarwal
Amazing. You are the most consistent in producing great shots. This
one goes down so well with the other flora shots you have shared in
the past.

Gaurav

On 2/9/06, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Taken on one of the walks some time back.

 Pentax *istD, Tokina AT-X SD AF 400/5.6, Handheld
 ISO 800, 1/1500 sec @ f/8.0

 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_1587.htm

 Comments welcome

 --
 Best regards,
 Bruce



Re: Is 3 mm worth the extra $1000.00

2006-02-13 Thread John Forbes

Super picture, Boris.  Really lovely.

John

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:21:25 -, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



Dave,

I bought 43 Ltd and 77 Ltd from fellow PDMLer last year... They are
quite *amazing*. Suffices to say, I've put my FA 50/1.7 to the shelf
and haven't really touched it since I first looked at the picture from
43 Ltd. The 77 Ltd is well worth every penny I spent on it. Have a
look here:

http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=11013

On film they are even better.

I am not saying that FA 50/1.7 is bad optic. It is really excellent.
But 43 Ltd is better. At least to my eyes. I've paid $140 for new FA
50/1.7 back 4 years ago. I've paid $320 for 43 Ltd, and I consider it
a steal.

--
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Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE -- back to the subject

2006-02-13 Thread E.R.N. Reed
In re this photo 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/umdiaumafoto/24763474/in/photostream/

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:



Thank Tim (and Dario).

ERN:
For those familiar with the Leica CL and Minolta CLE, the camera is  
instantly recognizable in that photograph. The size, shape, layout of  
the shutter speed dial, markings on the body, and shape of the lens  
clearly identifies it as a Leitz/Minolta CLE fitted with Rokkor 40mm  
f/2 lens.


I like the photo too. Henri has this wonderful look on his face, the  
opportunistic look of someone waiting for the right thing to present  
itself to his eye.  ;-)




Thanks for the clarification, Godfrey.
Clearly your eyes are better than mine (depressing ... I'm so much 
younger than you!)


ERNR



Re: Is 3 mm worth the extra $1000.00

2006-02-13 Thread John Forbes

Buy a second-hand 31mm on Ebay.  The difference will then be much less.

You'll always have that nagging feeling if you buy the 28!

John

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:56:14 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I knew someone would tell me that, Jack.g

I may have been thinking of another one of the Ltd series, but i was a  
bit suprised at the

price when i
started looking this weekend.

I was looking back at some earlier pictures using the A28 and A50, prior  
to my AF zoom

aquasitions,
and i felt the pictures looked better and were sharper. I thought, what  
the hell, for 3

more mm lets look
at the 31 ltd. The price just has me sidestepping at this point.

I'm hoping some one who has used the A28 and the AF 28 will tell me they  
are both very

good and
worth the money.

Dave

 Dave,

Let's say after you waded through a batch of opinions from the
troops, you had access to both lenses to enable you to run your own
tests.
After eye blurring, mostly inconclusive comparisons, (slides or
digital?) you finally decided that the 31 were slightly better.
How much is the better worth in terms of the personal satisfaction
derived from owning one? Would you forever feel deprived and your work
compromised without it?
Obviously, these are the things that only you can weigh, but my guess
is that you would never be disappointed with the images produced by the
31.

Jack












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Re: PESO: around the corner (revised for doug:) )

2006-02-13 Thread Eactivist
 [Original Message]
 From: Ann Sanfedele 

great shot, but that sign sticking out of the top of her 
  head is killing me.

 better?
 http://users.rcn.com/annsan/blizzardtoday.jpg

Seems to be. But I'd have to compare it to the original.

Marnie aka Doe 



Re: PESO: Frozen Pond

2006-02-13 Thread Bruce Dayton
Exposure looks pretty good to me.  A decent scene, but it doesn't
really grab me.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Monday, February 13, 2006, 7:14:36 AM, you wrote:

RW Another in my On My Way to Work series.

RW We had a bit of snow here in the northeastern US, and
RW I tarried on my walk to work to shoot a little.

RW http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4119836

RW Optio 33L, +0.7 exposure comp., slightly cropped.

RW Comments most welcome.

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Re: Pentax Has Finally Admitted...

2006-02-13 Thread Jan van Wijk
Hi John,

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:11:45 +, John Whittingham wrote:


Is the FA 135 f/2.8 not a good performer on DSLRs, I can't figure why they 
would discontinue that particular lens yet keep the 50mm f/1.4  35nn f/2.

I doubt lens properties play a role in that decision, more likely 
it is available stock of lenses as well as parts ...

Regards, JvW


--
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Re: Pop Photo D Shoot-out

2006-02-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On Feb 13, 2006, at 11:28 AM, E.R.N. Reed wrote:


It also contains BH's phone number ... that can be REALLY useful.


The BH phone number is on speed dial in my cell phone... !!!

Godfrey



Re: PESO: Frozen Pond

2006-02-13 Thread Adam Maas

Toronto, Land of Smog and no snow.

-Adam





Rick Womer wrote:

Thanks, Adam.  I had to shoot the snow while we have
it; it's supposed to be 55F/13C by the end of the
week.  Grey slush isn't nearly so pretty!

Showing my ignorance, which metropolis is nicknamed
Hawgtown?

Rick

--- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Great shot. Love the snow.

I'm missing the snow this year, we've barely had
any. Luckily I've 
gotten some great shots of the little snow we've had

here in Hawgtown.

-Adam



Rick Womer wrote:


Another in my On My Way to Work series.

We had a bit of snow here in the northeastern US,


and


I tarried on my walk to work to shoot a little.




http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4119836


Optio 33L, +0.7 exposure comp., slightly cropped.

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Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE -- back to the subject

2006-02-13 Thread Adam Maas

E.R.N. Reed wrote:

frank theriault wrote:


On 2/13/06, E.R.N. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 


Y'know, this poor thread has been nothing but a minefield almost still
it started.
Meanwhile, I am still a bit amazed that anyone could make out so clearly
what the camera in the picture is. I thought there wasn't enough detail
there to tell. Guess to those who know that model well, there really is.
Is there a particular clue in the picture, that wouldn't mean anything
unless one knew rangefinders extremely well?
  



It's definitely a Minolta CLE.  The body style is almost exactly the
same as a Leica CL (one of which I own), except it's a teeny bit
bigger.  The size difference is not discernable in the photo, but one
can clearly see that HCB's cam has the shutter speed dial on the top
of the body.  The Leica model has the shutter speed dial on the front.
So, it's definitely a Minolta CLE.


 

I could see the shutter speed dial (and so knew it wasn't a CL) but am 
not familiar enough with the M Leicas to have ruled out one of them. At 
least, that's the way I recall it, but now I don't have the link, so 
can't see it. I guess I was saying, how were people able to tell from 
the picture that it was a Minolta CLE and not one of the M Leicas? That 
sort of thing interests me.


ERNR

Sorry for the typo in my first sentence, which should've read almost 
since it started.



It's smaller, the strap lugs are positioned similar to an LX on the left 
side of the body and the top plate is quite different (Pretty much 
flat), with a much larger shutter dial than an M.


There's an M hanging off his neck btw.

-Adam



Re: *istDl - first DSLR kit for 600$ MSRP!

2006-02-13 Thread Peter Fairweather
I think this probably is the digital K1000 - bit of a let down. Can't
wait for Photokina 2008 to arrive!! Nikon and Pentax must be on full
alert

Regards

Peter



On 2/1/06, Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Pentax seems to play hard. Will it be digital K1000?
 http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1138777201.html

 --
 Balance is the ultimate good...

 Best Regards
 Sylwek





Re: Panorama ever so often

2006-02-13 Thread Jostein

Like Godfrey said, it looks a little too cyan on my monitor as well.

Why did you make the small version into a 900 KB file? :-)

Jostein

- Original Message - 
From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:47 PM
Subject: PESO: Panorama ever so often



Hello list
I saw and photographed this rather cold scenery today.

BTW: No Java, no Flash, no QuickTime, no nonsence! Just plain HTML 
(AFAIK):

http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/newfile9.html

Regards
Jens


Jens Bladt
http://www.jensbladt.dk






Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE -- back to the subject

2006-02-13 Thread Bob Shell


On Feb 13, 2006, at 2:35 PM, E.R.N. Reed wrote:

I could see the shutter speed dial (and so knew it wasn't a CL) but  
am not familiar enough with the M Leicas to have ruled out one of  
them. At least, that's the way I recall it, but now I don't have  
the link, so can't see it. I guess I was saying, how were people  
able to tell from the picture that it was a Minolta CLE and not one  
of the M Leicas? That sort of thing interests me.


ERNR



Notice the large size of the shutter speed dial and the shutter  
release in the middle of it.


Bob



Re: New High End DSLR Speculation

2006-02-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On Feb 13, 2006, at 11:43 AM, Jens Bladt wrote:

It is perhaps true, that more exposure reduces the noice - I never  
thought

of that - didn't know.


Rather, underexposure increases noise. Your shots are slightly  
underexposed.



Overexposing in order to reduce noise, will still require even longer
speeds, thus more ISO!


Do some testing. I think you'll find that similar subjects with a  
+0.3-0.7EV exposure gain will net better results and not cost you  
terribly on exposure time. Remember, when you're working RAW, you  
want to get your exposure as close to the saturation limit as  
possible without losing details in the highlight areas that are  
important. That gives the best data to render shadow values smoothly.


But I frequently have to use Neat Image to try to restore  
photographs made

at ISO 3200.
I would like not to have to.


I almost never even use the noise reduction in Camera Raw other than  
at its default settings, even with ISO 3200, and I don't feel that my  
prints are unacceptably noisy for professional presentation prints.


I still want lower noice from the next generation of Petntax DSLR's  
- which

was what we were originally discussing.


Lower noise is nearly always a good thing, just like less grain. Not  
always, but nearly always.


Godfrey



Re: Is 3 mm worth the extra $1000.00

2006-02-13 Thread brooksdj
 
 On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:21:25 -, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 wrote:
 
  Dave,
 
  I bought 43 Ltd and 77 Ltd from fellow PDMLer last year... They are
  quite *amazing*. Suffices to say, I've put my FA 50/1.7 to the shelf
  and haven't really touched it since I first looked at the picture from
  43 Ltd. The 77 Ltd is well worth every penny I spent on it. Have a
  look here:
 
  http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=11013
 
  On film they are even better.
 
  I am not saying that FA 50/1.7 is bad optic. It is really excellent.
  But 43 Ltd is better. At least to my eyes. I've paid $140 for new FA
  50/1.7 back 4 years ago. I've paid $320 for 43 Ltd, and I consider it
  a steal.
 
  --
  Boris

Hi Boris.
It was the 43 Ltd i was confusing with price, as opposed to the FA 28. 

I like that little bit extra the 28 offers on the istD as opposed to getting 
closer to the
50 focal length.
Its snow golf this weekend, and i used the A 28 last year, and will again this 
year. To
late to get 
something used in 5 days.
Maybe i'll take John's advise and look for a used 31.:-)

Dave




Re: PESO: Frozen Pond

2006-02-13 Thread Jack Davis
Ric,

I like it. Contains a number of very nice elements.
Now having said that, it's very blue/purple. 
Do you have a Velvia plug-in? ;-))

Jack

--- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Exposure looks pretty good to me.  A decent scene, but it doesn't
 really grab me.
 
 -- 
 Best regards,
 Bruce
 
 
 Monday, February 13, 2006, 7:14:36 AM, you wrote:
 
 RW Another in my On My Way to Work series.
 
 RW We had a bit of snow here in the northeastern US, and
 RW I tarried on my walk to work to shoot a little.
 
 RW http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4119836
 
 RW Optio 33L, +0.7 exposure comp., slightly cropped.
 
 RW Comments most welcome.
 
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Re: Pentax Has Finally Admitted...

2006-02-13 Thread brooksdj
Just had a look at Camera Canada.com, a store in London Ontario i have dealt 
with before.
Of 3 pages of Pentax lenses, two are available, two are Hot Items and the 
rest not in
stock.

Dave 

 
 On Feb 13, 2006, at 12:11 AM, John Whittingham wrote:
 
  Is the FA 135 f/2.8 not a good performer on DSLRs, I can't figure  
  why they
  would discontinue that particular lens yet keep the 50mm f/1.4   
  35nn f/2.
 
 It's an excellent performer on the *ist DS. I hope they update the  
 mount to a D-FA type with a better focusing feel, though. (I hope  
 they do the same, ultimately, to the 50/1.4 and 35/2 as well ... I  
 would like to have the quick-shift focus feature on all my lenses.)
 
 Godfrey
 






Re: PESO: Frozen Pond

2006-02-13 Thread Tom C

HEY!

Tom C.


From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]




I like it. Contains a number of very nice elements.
Now having said that, it's very blue/purple.
Do you have a Velvia plug-in? ;-))


 RW http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4119836





Re: Sigma and the Volkswagen effect

2006-02-13 Thread John Francis

That's not really a good precedent - the tree is on private property,
and you need to be on private property to take the photograph.  Not
only that - although they restrict commercial use, they explicitly
allow photography for personal use.


On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 11:55:09PM -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 There was a case some years ago dealing with the issue of people
 photographing the Lone Cypress at Pebble Beach, in California.  The
 company that owned Pebble Beach claimed that the tree was their trademark
 (which I believe it was - they'd been using it that way for years).  I
 don't recall the outcome of that case, but I bet someone here knows.  The
 matter was discussed on the list, and I'm sure someone with better
 searching skills than I could find info about the case on the net somewhere.
 
 Shel
 
 
 
  [Original Message]
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
  Date: 2/12/2006 9:56:52 PM
  Subject: Re: Sigma and the Volkswagen effect
 
  In a message dated 2/12/2006 9:51:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   You'd think they wouldn't mind the publicity. What was that old adage,
 any
   publicity is good publicity?
 
  How can you sue that which you can't prove exists with photographic 
  evidence, or even discuss?
 
  William Robb 
  
  This is a law, if it passes, that will be begging to be stuck down.
 
  In other words, yup, it will soon be challenged. Artistic freedom and all 
  that. If not photographers, then painters.
 
  Marnie aka Doe 
 



Re: PESO: around the corner (revised for doug:) )

2006-02-13 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
 Not really ... I can still see the sign and the pole.  What did you do?
 
 Shel

I lighted the pole - on my screen, it is very faint - I
didn't want to remove it
all together... is it possible what you are seeing as the
pole is the tree?

ann

 
  [Original Message]
  From: Ann Sanfedele
 
 great shot, but that sign sticking out of the top of her
   head is killing me.
 
  better?
  http://users.rcn.com/annsan/blizzardtoday.jpg



Re: PESO: around the corner (revised for doug:) )

2006-02-13 Thread Ann Sanfedele
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  [Original Message]
  From: Ann Sanfedele
 
 great shot, but that sign sticking out of the top of her
   head is killing me.
 
  better?
  http://users.rcn.com/annsan/blizzardtoday.jpg
 
 Seems to be. But I'd have to compare it to the original.
 
 Marnie aka Doe

here is the original
http://users.rcn.com/annsan/blizzardpaw.jpg

ann
off to walk in the snow to the store



Re: Weekend crop: A gallery of jazz photos

2006-02-13 Thread pnstenquist
Love some of the motion blurs. Good stuff, Lasse.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Lasse Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Hi all,
 
 Friday night I shot a concert by young Danish jazz band Jazz Kamikaze who 
 played the Mariehamn Jazz, Roots  Blues Festival 2006.
 
 They were really, I mean really, good. (Maybe Jens B. knows about them?)
 
 Anyway I uploaded a selection of pictures at the following url:
 
 http://assearlssonhotography.fotopic.net/c860256.html
 
 Please note that this site, fotopic, reduces the quality of your files. I 
 didn't know, or remember, until I noticed the deterioration. It's a shame 
 for a site that pretends to be a site for photography.
 
 Anyway, the pictures are still viewable and you are very welcome to take a 
 look, and comment on any aspects of the pictures, the gallery and the 
 presentation, if you find it worthwhile.
 You will notice that I have used a particular shooting technique for quite o 
 few of the pictures and I am curious to hear whether you think it works for 
 you as presented, or if it simply doesn't.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 Lasse 
 



Re: Pentax Has Finally Admitted...

2006-02-13 Thread pnstenquist
I would guess that's their fault. BH has plenty of Pentax lenses available.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Just had a look at Camera Canada.com, a store in London Ontario i have dealt 
 with before.
 Of 3 pages of Pentax lenses, two are available, two are Hot Items and the 
 rest 
 not in
 stock.
 
 Dave 
 

  On Feb 13, 2006, at 12:11 AM, John Whittingham wrote:
  
   Is the FA 135 f/2.8 not a good performer on DSLRs, I can't figure  
   why they
   would discontinue that particular lens yet keep the 50mm f/1.4   
   35nn f/2.
  
  It's an excellent performer on the *ist DS. I hope they update the  
  mount to a D-FA type with a better focusing feel, though. (I hope  
  they do the same, ultimately, to the 50/1.4 and 35/2 as well ... I  
  would like to have the quick-shift focus feature on all my lenses.)
  
  Godfrey
  
 
   
 
 



Re: PESO: around the corner (revised for doug:) )

2006-02-13 Thread Shel Belinkoff
No,  it is the pole and the sign I see.  I put the pic in Photoshop and
blew it up 200% to be sure.  I then went and removed the pole and sign just
to see how difficult it would be.  The pole and the sign are quite
noticeable to me. If you'd like a copy of what I did so you can see for
yourself, just say the word.

The removal technique was quite simple, mostly using the clone stamp,
although with a few extra fillips to make the removal more precise as I can
be rather clumsy sometimes if I'm not careful.

Why didn't you want to remove it completely?

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Date: 2/13/2006 12:49:38 PM
 Subject: Re: PESO: around the corner (revised for doug:) )

 Shel Belinkoff wrote:
  
  Not really ... I can still see the sign and the pole.  What did you do?
  
  Shel

 I lighted the pole - on my screen, it is very faint - I
 didn't want to remove it
 all together... is it possible what you are seeing as the
 pole is the tree?

 ann

  
   [Original Message]
   From: Ann Sanfedele
  
  great shot, but that sign sticking out of the top of her
head is killing me.
  
   better?
   http://users.rcn.com/annsan/blizzardtoday.jpg




Re: PESO: Frozen Pond

2006-02-13 Thread Jack Davis
Oh, hi Tom. I wondered if you were watching.  ;=]]

Jack

--- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 HEY!
 
 Tom C.
 
 From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 I like it. Contains a number of very nice elements.
 Now having said that, it's very blue/purple.
 Do you have a Velvia plug-in? ;-))
 
  
   RW http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4119836
 
 
 


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Re: PESO: around the corner (revised for doug:) )

2006-02-13 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/13/2006 12:50:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
here is the original
http://users.rcn.com/annsan/blizzardpaw.jpg

ann
off to walk in the snow to the store
-
Yup, big difference. Thought you had lightened the pole, but wasn't sure.

Now it lays flat and stays in the background.

Although, like you, I gotta admit I didn't notice it the first time around. 
:-)

Marnie aka Doe 



RE: New High End DSLR Speculation

2006-02-13 Thread Jens Bladt
Yeah, I agree, Godfrey.
You are right about the exposure too. I just checked the EXIF.
They are not spot on. Some are over exposed +0.70, compensating for the
backlit scenery. That's OK.
But others are under exposed by -0.3 (the ones with two kids). This is
obvioulsy a mistake - I probably have attemptet to set it back in neutral,
but I over did it :-(.

Since they ar e all shot with an M lens (4/75-150mm), metering is not too
accurate - since i must press the green button every now and then. So, I am
looking foreward to recieving my A 3.5/35-105mm wich would have been much
better for shots like these.

BTW: I have shot RAW exclusivly, for the last year or so. I won't go back to
JPEGs again.
Regards
Jens

Jens Bladt
http://www.jensbladt.dk

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 13. februar 2006 21:24
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: New High End DSLR Speculation



On Feb 13, 2006, at 11:43 AM, Jens Bladt wrote:

 It is perhaps true, that more exposure reduces the noice - I never
 thought
 of that - didn't know.

Rather, underexposure increases noise. Your shots are slightly
underexposed.

 Overexposing in order to reduce noise, will still require even longer
 speeds, thus more ISO!

Do some testing. I think you'll find that similar subjects with a
+0.3-0.7EV exposure gain will net better results and not cost you
terribly on exposure time. Remember, when you're working RAW, you
want to get your exposure as close to the saturation limit as
possible without losing details in the highlight areas that are
important. That gives the best data to render shadow values smoothly.

 But I frequently have to use Neat Image to try to restore
 photographs made
 at ISO 3200.
 I would like not to have to.

I almost never even use the noise reduction in Camera Raw other than
at its default settings, even with ISO 3200, and I don't feel that my
prints are unacceptably noisy for professional presentation prints.

 I still want lower noice from the next generation of Petntax DSLR's
 - which
 was what we were originally discussing.

Lower noise is nearly always a good thing, just like less grain. Not
always, but nearly always.

Godfrey





Re: Weekend crop: A gallery of jazz photos

2006-02-13 Thread Rick Womer
Some nice shots here.  You must be taking motion blur
lessons from Frank!

Rick

--- Lasse Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 Friday night I shot a concert by young Danish jazz
 band Jazz Kamikaze who 
 played the Mariehamn Jazz, Roots  Blues Festival
 2006.
 
 They were really, I mean really, good. (Maybe Jens
 B. knows about them?)
 
 Anyway I uploaded a selection of pictures at the
 following url:
 

http://assearlssonhotography.fotopic.net/c860256.html
 
 Please note that this site, fotopic, reduces the
 quality of your files. I 
 didn't know, or remember, until I noticed the
 deterioration. It's a shame 
 for a site that pretends to be a site for
 photography.
 
 Anyway, the pictures are still viewable and you are
 very welcome to take a 
 look, and comment on any aspects of the pictures,
 the gallery and the 
 presentation, if you find it worthwhile.
 You will notice that I have used a particular
 shooting technique for quite o 
 few of the pictures and I am curious to hear whether
 you think it works for 
 you as presented, or if it simply doesn't.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 Lasse 
 
 


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RE: *istDl - first DSLR kit for 600$ MSRP!

2006-02-13 Thread Jens Bladt
Great stuff. They are saving up money for something. What?

BTW: Does this camera support other than A like the D does?
Regards

Jens Bladt
http://www.jensbladt.dk

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Peter Fairweather [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 13. februar 2006 21:09
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: *istDl - first DSLR kit for 600$ MSRP!


I think this probably is the digital K1000 - bit of a let down. Can't
wait for Photokina 2008 to arrive!! Nikon and Pentax must be on full
alert

Regards

Peter



On 2/1/06, Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Pentax seems to play hard. Will it be digital K1000?
 http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1138777201.html

 --
 Balance is the ultimate good...

 Best Regards
 Sylwek







Re: PESO: Frozen Pond

2006-02-13 Thread frank theriault
On 2/13/06, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Another in my On My Way to Work series.

 We had a bit of snow here in the northeastern US, and
 I tarried on my walk to work to shoot a little.

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4119836

 Optio 33L, +0.7 exposure comp., slightly cropped.

 Comments most welcome.

Lovely mood, well composed - it's enough to make a guy like winter.

BTW, did you say a bit of snow?  Did you guys miss the three feet
that pounded NYC and much of the eastern seabord?

cheers,
frank
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Re: *istDl - first DSLR kit for 600$ MSRP!

2006-02-13 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk

On 2006-02-13, at 23:05, Jens Bladt wrote:


BTW: Does this camera support other than A like the D does?
Regards


Yes, no problems with aperture set to position other than A, just  
use DOF to set right exposure in M mode.



--
Best regards
Sylwek




Re: PESO: Toronto sunset

2006-02-13 Thread frank theriault
On 2/13/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think you have the composition right on.  Nicely balanced.


I agree with Tom (see, Tom, I can say it:  I agree with Tom!  LOL).

The sunset part of it is, well, a sunset, but nothing spectacular, but
it does make the sky more interesting than a washed out blue thing. 
The photo is well composed and (due to the snow) nicely moody.

I like it.

What was your vantage point, and which ferry is in the photograph?

cheers,
frank
--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: PESO: around the corner

2006-02-13 Thread frank theriault
On 2/12/06, Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 .. on 1st ave and st marks place today

 blizzard are us

 http://users.rcn.com/annsan/blizzardpaw.jpg

Great shot, Ann, but I'll agree with Paul, that it might look even
better in BW.  Still, I like it as is.

Staying warm and cozy under that blanket of snow?

cheers,
frank
--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: PESO: Toronto sunset

2006-02-13 Thread Tom C

From: frank theriault


I agree with Tom (see, Tom, I can say it:  I agree with Tom!  LOL).


And I agree with Uncle Frank! (hugs)  :-)

Tom C.




Re: PESO: Toronto sunset

2006-02-13 Thread Fernando Terrazzino
Frank, I'm really glad that you liked it, but more glad than you  Tom are 
friends again ; ) LOL


Regarding the vantage point well, my english is not that good (I mean, for 
the vantage part) so I must confess I checked my dictonary and... is eye 
level the right answer?  I took this in the shore of Queen's Quay  Bay, 
facing West. I was lucky to catch a Ferry leaving the small harbour in front 
of the Second cup (York St. if I recall correctly) and to get that sky to 
warm up a not so cold winter anyway...


PS: Big fan of your work


From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO: Toronto sunset
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:13:27 -0500

On 2/13/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think you have the composition right on.  Nicely balanced.


I agree with Tom (see, Tom, I can say it:  I agree with Tom!  LOL).

The sunset part of it is, well, a sunset, but nothing spectacular, but
it does make the sky more interesting than a washed out blue thing.
The photo is well composed and (due to the snow) nicely moody.

I like it.

What was your vantage point, and which ferry is in the photograph?

cheers,
frank
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Re: PESO: Frozen Pond

2006-02-13 Thread Rick Womer
Here in Philly proper, about a foot (30 cm).  In the
'burbs, 1.5 to 2 ft.

--- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 BTW, did you say a bit of snow?  Did you guys miss
 the three feet
 that pounded NYC and much of the eastern seabord?


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Re: PESO: Toronto sunset

2006-02-13 Thread Fernando Terrazzino

Typo:

...but more glad than you  Tom are friends again ; ) LOL 

should've read:
...but more glad THAT you  Tom are friends again ; ) LOL 





From: Fernando Terrazzino [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO: Toronto sunset
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:32:03 -0500

Frank, I'm really glad that you liked it, but more glad than you  Tom are 
friends again ; ) LOL


Regarding the vantage point well, my english is not that good (I mean, 
for the vantage part) so I must confess I checked my dictonary and... is 
eye level the right answer?  I took this in the shore of Queen's Quay  
Bay, facing West. I was lucky to catch a Ferry leaving the small harbour in 
front of the Second cup (York St. if I recall correctly) and to get that 
sky to warm up a not so cold winter anyway...


PS: Big fan of your work


From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO: Toronto sunset
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:13:27 -0500

On 2/13/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think you have the composition right on.  Nicely balanced.


I agree with Tom (see, Tom, I can say it:  I agree with Tom!  LOL).

The sunset part of it is, well, a sunset, but nothing spectacular, but
it does make the sky more interesting than a washed out blue thing.
The photo is well composed and (due to the snow) nicely moody.

I like it.

What was your vantage point, and which ferry is in the photograph?

cheers,
frank
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Re: PESO: Idaho Snow Moon

2006-02-13 Thread frank theriault
On 2/12/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Tajken approximately 1 1/2 hours ago.  Tokina 500/8 mirror lens.

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4118417

 Tom C.

Stunning!!

cheers,
frank

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Re: PESO: Idaho Snow Moon

2006-02-13 Thread Tom C

Franks alot! :-)

Tom C.







From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO: Idaho Snow Moon
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:46:51 -0500

On 2/12/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Tajken approximately 1 1/2 hours ago.  Tokina 500/8 mirror lens.

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4118417

 Tom C.

Stunning!!

cheers,
frank

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Re: PESO: Idaho Snow Moon

2006-02-13 Thread John Forbes
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:46:51 -, frank theriault  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



On 2/12/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Tajken approximately 1 1/2 hours ago.  Tokina 500/8 mirror lens.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4118417

Tom C.


Stunning!!


Yeah, not bad. :-)

Wouldn't have looked so good with the pocket Fuji!

John



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Re: PESO: Idaho Snow Moon

2006-02-13 Thread Tom C

John Forbes wrote:


Yeah, not bad. :-)

Wouldn't have looked so good with the pocket Fuji!


Dear John... Thank you.



Taken approximately 1 1/2 hours ago.  Tokina 500/8 mirror lens.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4118417

Tom C.







Re: PESO: Toronto sunset

2006-02-13 Thread Tom C

Frank did you have a problem with me I didn't have a problem with you.

What's this guy talking about? :-)

Tom C.



From: Fernando Terrazzino [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO: Toronto sunset
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:41:54 -0500

Typo:

...but more glad than you  Tom are friends again ; ) LOL 

should've read:
...but more glad THAT you  Tom are friends again ; ) LOL 





From: Fernando Terrazzino [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO: Toronto sunset
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:32:03 -0500

Frank, I'm really glad that you liked it, but more glad than you  Tom are 
friends again ; ) LOL


Regarding the vantage point well, my english is not that good (I mean, 
for the vantage part) so I must confess I checked my dictonary and... is 
eye level the right answer?  I took this in the shore of Queen's Quay  
Bay, facing West. I was lucky to catch a Ferry leaving the small harbour 
in front of the Second cup (York St. if I recall correctly) and to get 
that sky to warm up a not so cold winter anyway...


PS: Big fan of your work


From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO: Toronto sunset
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:13:27 -0500

On 2/13/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think you have the composition right on.  Nicely balanced.


I agree with Tom (see, Tom, I can say it:  I agree with Tom!  LOL).

The sunset part of it is, well, a sunset, but nothing spectacular, but
it does make the sky more interesting than a washed out blue thing.
The photo is well composed and (due to the snow) nicely moody.

I like it.

What was your vantage point, and which ferry is in the photograph?

cheers,
frank
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Re: Frozen Pond

2006-02-13 Thread Kenneth Waller

Rick,
On my calibrated monitor, the image has an objectionable overall magenta 
tint.
The posted image needs to be simplified, there's too much going on that 
competes for my attention.


Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Subject: PESO: Frozen Pond



Another in my On My Way to Work series.

We had a bit of snow here in the northeastern US, and
I tarried on my walk to work to shoot a little.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4119836

Optio 33L, +0.7 exposure comp., slightly cropped.

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Re: Intro to Wildlife Shooting

2006-02-13 Thread Kenneth Waller

Jay,
from the posted image your combo sure looks like it's capable. The image 
itself suffers from several issues - You cut off the birds legs, foreground 
clutter  being distracted in Seattle.


Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: Jay Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Subject: Intro to Wildlife Shooting


Having a recent interest in wildlife subjects, I decided to pick up a 
telephoto lens for my DSLR. I found a pretty nice copy of the discontinued 
Tokina AT-X 400mm F5.6 on eBay. The lens is surprisingly lightweight and 
is pretty easily handheld for the most part. This image is one of the 
first ones taken with it and is my first shot of the Great Blue Heron. 
Feedback appreciated. Thanks for looking.


JayT
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1/2000s f/6.7 at 400.0mm iso200





scratches on lenses

2006-02-13 Thread Igor Roshchin

Every so often I see a claim in a lens description:
These scratches don't affect the quality of your photo.

What does one think when writing this type of statement?
That you don't see the scratch on the photos?
Even if a half of the lens area is covered by scratches you might
not see the scratches on the photo..

Well, this is a somewhat rhetorical question: 
How do you know that the scratches don't affect the quality of your photo?!
Personally, I would say that all scratches that are within the
entire beam diameter used in imaging DO affect the quality of photos.
So, the meaningful interpretation of the original statement would be:
I didn't have the way of knowing any better image quality.

Would you agree?

Igor



Re: Toronto sunset

2006-02-13 Thread Kenneth Waller

Cropping on the right would definitely help this image.
I would crop out the space immediately to the right of the benches.
The lines (of the horizon, shore line benches  tree tops) converging on the 
boat are the strongest aspect of this image.

I would also crop out the topmost part of the sky just above the treetops.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: Fernando Terrazzino [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: PESO: Toronto sunset


So, I can decide if cropping some on the right would help this one. Any 
comments appreciated.


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Re: PESO: around the corner (revised for doug:) )

2006-02-13 Thread Kenneth Waller

Great, now I see a tree sticking out of the head of the foreground person!!

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: PESO: around the corner (revised for doug:) )



Doug Brewer wrote:


On Feb 12, 2006, at 3:29 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 .. on 1st ave and st marks place today

 blizzard are us

 http://users.rcn.com/annsan/blizzardpaw.jpg

 ann

  great shot, but that sign sticking out of the top of her head is
killing me.


better?
http://users.rcn.com/annsan/blizzardtoday.jpg

but now it is blizzard yestrday :)





Re: PESO: around the corner (revised for doug:) )

2006-02-13 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/13/2006 3:41:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Great, now I see a tree sticking out of the head of the foreground person!!

Kenneth Waller
=
This reminds me of the chair leg (or chair legs).

Don't think you can win, ann.

Marnie aka Doe :-)



Re: PESO: Toronto sunset

2006-02-13 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/13/2006 8:25:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, I can decide if cropping some on the right would help this one. Any 
comments appreciated.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?topic_id=1481msg_id=00EUxjphoto_id=394086
5photo_sel_index=0

Pentax DS, DA 18-55, f8. Shot in raw, processed twice on Capture One  
digitally blended

I tend to like the way it is.

Not that boring.

Marnie aka Doe :-)



Re: PESO: around the corner (revised for doug:) )

2006-02-13 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
 No,  it is the pole and the sign I see.  I put the pic in Photoshop and
 blew it up 200% to be sure.  I then went and removed the pole and sign just
 to see how difficult it would be.  The pole and the sign are quite
 noticeable to me. If you'd like a copy of what I did so you can see for
 yourself, just say the word.
 
 The removal technique was quite simple, mostly using the clone stamp,
 although with a few extra fillips to make the removal more precise as I can
 be rather clumsy sometimes if I'm not careful.
 
 Why didn't you want to remove it completely?
 
 Shel

I can't see the pole at all in the second shot looking at it
on the web.  ... but I like the red sign,
the red in the stop sign, the restaurant sign, the guy's
pants, etc... so the top of
the sign I wouldn't want removed.  There is a little pattern
of color there of red's and yellows I like. 

I tried to make it just look like there was snow clinging to
the pole.  I would never completely
remove something that was actually there all the time.. on
principle.  For me, I was just using the shot to say Hey
guys, look at all that snow in my 'hood! - and look at that
jerk riding a bicycle in it.

I saw the guy on the bike just a couple of secs before I
snapped... the woman wasn't part of the plan - but when I
saw it I liked the relationship of forms.  

although I did hold the camera up to my face, I couldnt see
what I was doing through the
view finder and I had an armful of groceries...  

Anyway, Where is Doug :)

Haven't had a chance to review anything else I took, really 
- I have one I took from my window
but I'm not pleased with it.  

But the point is, if it is a street shot, I'm not going to
mess with it in that fashion
in photoshop - I don't care if you want to show us or me
what you did to get rid of the
pole totally - but I didn't _not_ do it because I didn't
know how.

ann








 
  [Original Message]
  From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
  Date: 2/13/2006 12:49:38 PM
  Subject: Re: PESO: around the corner (revised for doug:) )
 
  Shel Belinkoff wrote:
  
   Not really ... I can still see the sign and the pole.  What did you do?
  
   Shel
 





  I lighted the pole - on my screen, it is very faint - I
  didn't want to remove it
  all together... is it possible what you are seeing as the
  pole is the tree?
 
  ann
 
  
[Original Message]
From: Ann Sanfedele
  
   great shot, but that sign sticking out of the top of her
 head is killing me.
   
better?
http://users.rcn.com/annsan/blizzardtoday.jpg



Re: PESO: around the corner (revised for doug:) )

2006-02-13 Thread Ann Sanfedele
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 In a message dated 2/13/2006 12:50:11 PM Pacific Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 here is the original
 http://users.rcn.com/annsan/blizzardpaw.jpg
 
 ann
 off to walk in the snow to the store
 -
 Yup, big difference. Thought you had lightened the pole, but wasn't sure.
 
 Now it lays flat and stays in the background.
 
Yes - tahts what  felt.


 Although, like you, I gotta admit I didn't notice it the first time around.
 :-)
 
 Marnie aka Doe

:) though after Doug pointed it out it suddenly got much
larger and darker! vbg

ann



Re: PESO: around the corner (revised for doug:) )

2006-02-13 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/13/2006 3:50:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] 
writes:
 Marnie aka Doe

:) though after Doug pointed it out it suddenly got much
larger and darker! vbg

ann
==
Hehehehe. Yup.

Marnie aka Doe 



Re: PESO: Toronto sunset

2006-02-13 Thread Fernando Terrazzino

LOL

Now that I think it better, is more fun when you guys are killing each 
other. Now, how was that thing with the copyright Tom? ; D




From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO: Toronto sunset
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:12:56 -0700

Frank did you have a problem with me I didn't have a problem with you.

What's this guy talking about? :-)

Tom C.



From: Fernando Terrazzino [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO: Toronto sunset
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:41:54 -0500

Typo:

...but more glad than you  Tom are friends again ; ) LOL 

should've read:
...but more glad THAT you  Tom are friends again ; ) LOL 





From: Fernando Terrazzino [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO: Toronto sunset
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:32:03 -0500

Frank, I'm really glad that you liked it, but more glad than you  Tom 
are friends again ; ) LOL


Regarding the vantage point well, my english is not that good (I mean, 
for the vantage part) so I must confess I checked my dictonary and... 
is eye level the right answer?  I took this in the shore of Queen's 
Quay  Bay, facing West. I was lucky to catch a Ferry leaving the small 
harbour in front of the Second cup (York St. if I recall correctly) and 
to get that sky to warm up a not so cold winter anyway...


PS: Big fan of your work


From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO: Toronto sunset
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:13:27 -0500

On 2/13/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think you have the composition right on.  Nicely balanced.


I agree with Tom (see, Tom, I can say it:  I agree with Tom!  LOL).

The sunset part of it is, well, a sunset, but nothing spectacular, but
it does make the sky more interesting than a washed out blue thing.
The photo is well composed and (due to the snow) nicely moody.

I like it.

What was your vantage point, and which ferry is in the photograph?

cheers,
frank
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Re: PESO: around the corner

2006-02-13 Thread Ann Sanfedele
frank theriault wrote:
 
 On 2/12/06, Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  .. on 1st ave and st marks place today
 
  blizzard are us
 
  http://users.rcn.com/annsan/blizzardpaw.jpg
 
 Great shot, Ann, but I'll agree with Paul, that it might look even
 better in BW.  Still, I like it as is.

Funny - I don't like it in BW as well. 

 
 Staying warm and cozy under that blanket of snow?
 
 cheers,
 frank
 --

Yes - but it is now turning to ugly slush already :(
I didn't have the  stamina yesterday to tramp around and
shoot 
Today I had to be out for a while and it totally exhausted
me - the cold and
the care one needs to take plowing through drifts and
puddles. 

a few years ago I would have been up at dawn and out all
day.

cheers 2,
a


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RE: Weekend crop: A gallery of jazz photos

2006-02-13 Thread Butch Black

Hi Lasse

Nice overall set, but the dragging the shutter technique did little for me. 
I think I would have preferred the images had you set a shutter speed to get 
just a touch of blur. Two of the pictures of the drummer 066 and 105 best 
exemplify it.


Butch 





Re: PESO: Toronto sunset

2006-02-13 Thread Fernando Terrazzino

I tend to like the way it is.

Thank you Marnie.


Not that boring.

Well, I was the bored one ; )





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO: Toronto sunset
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:45:55 EST

In a message dated 2/13/2006 8:25:46 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, I can decide if cropping some on the right would help this one. Any
comments appreciated.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?topic_id=1481msg_id=00EUxjphoto_id=394086
5photo_sel_index=0

Pentax DS, DA 18-55, f8. Shot in raw, processed twice on Capture One 
digitally blended

I tend to like the way it is.

Not that boring.

Marnie aka Doe :-)



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Re: PESO: Idaho Snow Moon

2006-02-13 Thread Fernando Terrazzino

LOL



From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO: Idaho Snow Moon
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:50:01 -0700

Franks alot! :-)

Tom C.







From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO: Idaho Snow Moon
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:46:51 -0500

On 2/12/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Tajken approximately 1 1/2 hours ago.  Tokina 500/8 mirror lens.

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4118417

 Tom C.

Stunning!!

cheers,
frank

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Re: Intro to Wildlife Shooting

2006-02-13 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/13/2006 8:13:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Having a recent interest in wildlife subjects, I decided to pick up a 
telephoto lens for my DSLR. I found a pretty nice copy of the 
discontinued Tokina AT-X 400mm F5.6 on eBay. The lens is surprisingly 
lightweight and is pretty easily handheld for the most part. This image 
is one of the first ones taken with it and is my first shot of the 
Great Blue Heron. Feedback appreciated. Thanks for looking.

JayT
http://i.pbase.com/o4/87/63987/1/55968855.ElliotGBH.jpg
1/2000s f/6.7 at 400.0mm iso200
===
That's not a stuffed bird, is it? I guess the background looks odd.

I'd take it out (re the background), because the detail on the bird is good, 
but the background is highly distracting.

But I am also with Ken, try to get the legs next time. 

You're getting there. Keep it up.

Marnie aka Doe



Re: PESO - Green

2006-02-13 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Gaurav,

You are too kind.  There are some great photographers on this list
that inspire me to try to do my best.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Monday, February 13, 2006, 11:43:03 AM, you wrote:

GA Amazing. You are the most consistent in producing great shots. This
GA one goes down so well with the other flora shots you have shared in
GA the past.

GA Gaurav

GA On 2/9/06, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Taken on one of the walks some time back.

 Pentax *istD, Tokina AT-X SD AF 400/5.6, Handheld
 ISO 800, 1/1500 sec @ f/8.0

 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_1587.htm

 Comments welcome

 --
 Best regards,
 Bruce



Re: RECAPS

2006-02-13 Thread Keith McGuinness

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

If we all contributed about fifteen minutes we could make a decent start.


Really?

From what I've seen on this list, getting several people 
involved would only extend the process almost indefinitely! 8-)


Keith McG


[Original Message]
From: Doug Brewer 



On Feb 13, 2006, at 12:50 AM, William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: RECAPS



And you've been asking it ever since, right?



whats amazing is how few people have taken the time to tell me what  
is wrong with me.


William Robb



we don't have that much time









Re: New High End DSLR Speculation

2006-02-13 Thread Rob Studdert
On 13 Feb 2006 at 18:18, Jens Bladt wrote:

 I do know that film used to be even worse. But that was yesterday. Talking
 about the new high end Pentax DSLR is now!

Jens there are physical limits WRT noise minimization and we are nearly there 
on the physical side, there will be new methods of filtration developed I'm 
sure but don't expect too much more from sensors. For a very concise 
description of why this is see (link supplied by Herb Chong):

http://white.stanford.edu/~brian/papers/ise/CMOSRoadmap-2005-SPIE.pdf

And if you would like to see comparison images from most of the current cameras 
at high ISO see:

http://digitalcamera.impress.co.jp/06_02/auth/toku1/index_iso.htm

Cheers,


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Re: Pentax Has Finally Admitted...

2006-02-13 Thread John Whittingham
 It's one of my favorite features 
 of  the Canon EOS lenses with USM mount ... they call it full time  
 manual focus. No need to click the AF/MF switch in one shot AF mode 
  at all. It is by far and away the feature I missed the most when I  
 contemplate my switch from Canon to Pentax.

I'll embrace it when I finally take the plunge, sounds like a really useful 
feature.

Best regards,

John

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Re: Pentax Has Finally Admitted...

2006-02-13 Thread John Whittingham
 I doubt lens properties play a role in that decision, more likely 
 it is available stock of lenses as well as parts ...

Or perhaps the cost of metal bodied construction, do you think?

Regards,

John

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you can't be optimistic with a misty optic

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Subject: Re: Pentax Has Finally Admitted...

 Hi John,
 
 On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:11:45 +, John Whittingham wrote:
 
 
 Is the FA 135 f/2.8 not a good performer on DSLRs, I can't figure why they 
 would discontinue that particular lens yet keep the 50mm f/1.4  35nn f/2.
 
 I doubt lens properties play a role in that decision, more likely 
 it is available stock of lenses as well as parts ...
 
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Re: Pentax Has Finally Admitted...

2006-02-13 Thread Rob Studdert
On 13 Feb 2006 at 14:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It may depend on how you hold your camera.  I use the very large A*135 and 
 sometimes the A*85 on an *istD without a grip, and don't have any problems.  
 On the contrary, I support the lens with my left hand with the elbow 
 supported to my chest so it takes most of the weight, and I find that a grip 
 comes in the way. That's one of the nice things with Pentax, the camera is 
 just a small and light something mounted on the lens .-)

I don't have any problems using front heavy lenses on my *ist D body (sans 
grip) either, maybe it's that old habit of supporting each lens at the balance 
point that does the trick :-)


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Re: RECAPS

2006-02-13 Thread Fernando Terrazzino

Keith McGuinness wrote:
From what I've seen on this list, getting several people involved would 
only extend the process almost indefinitely! 8-)


I strongly disagree :o)



From: Keith McGuinness [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: RECAPS
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:35:52 +0930

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

If we all contributed about fifteen minutes we could make a decent start.


Really?

From what I've seen on this list, getting several people involved would 
only extend the process almost indefinitely! 8-)


Keith McG


[Original Message]
From: Doug Brewer


On Feb 13, 2006, at 12:50 AM, William Robb wrote:



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Subject: Re: RECAPS



And you've been asking it ever since, right?



whats amazing is how few people have taken the time to tell me what  is 
wrong with me.


William Robb



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Re: Another stacked set

2006-02-13 Thread Rob Studdert
On 12 Feb 2006 at 0:40, Don Williams wrote:

 After Godfrey set me right I made another set 
 of images -- like I did a week or so ago 
 (without making a silly mistake) when testing 
 a Macro Converter. This time I used the Sigma 
 50/2.8 EX Macro alone. The nearest flower was 
 110 mm from the front edge of the lens mount 
 and the furthermost was 330mm. This makes the 
 depth of focus 220mm. I used CombineZ 5 this 
 time to stack 21 images. The aperture was 3.5 
 and exposure 150s using the Vivitar TTL 
 730AFPK flash pointed up with a white card 
 reflector at 45 degrees or so.
 
 The picture is here:
 
 http://www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/HOLD/cz-002.jpg

Hi Don,

Very interesting, CombineZ 5 appears to have done a very good job here, this 
opens up many possibilities. Layering images manually is a bit tedious and 
error prone and I'd never even consider layering 21 images manually. Does the 
application also compensate for small lateral shift, magnification and rotation 
errors?

Cheers,


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OT: It's been almost 3 years ...

2006-02-13 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
... since my last period of unemployment.
But that old monster has bit again.
So now come the choices -- what to part with.

First to go is ...

... wait ... I'll decide later in the week.
Got to let my head clear and make the right choices.
No sense in being rash.

Collin


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Re: Is 3 mm worth the extra $1000.00

2006-02-13 Thread Mishka
last i checked , bg had 31mm silver or black, either @ $779 (US)
28mm seems to be $219,

what currency is your quote -- just curious? it cannot be CAD,

best,
mishka

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:09:54 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Troops

 I'm now starting to toy with the idea of getting more primes and faster AF 
 glass for the
 Pentax
 collection.
 I really like the 28 focal length on the istD and have started to look at the 
 FA 28($429)
 and the FA 31 Ltd
 ($1400.00)
 Is the 3mm worth the extra bucks. I have never tried or looked through one, 
 so i have no
 idea. I know
 Mark,Bill and others have such lenses, so , i'm just curious.
 IMSMC the FA 28 f 2.8 does a decent job, correct.??

 Dave







Re: New High End DSLR Speculation

2006-02-13 Thread Rob Studdert
On 14 Feb 2006 at 11:09, pentax-discuss@pdml.net wrote:

 And if you would like to see comparison images from most of the current 
 cameras 
 at high ISO see:
 
 http://digitalcamera.impress.co.jp/06_02/auth/toku1/index_iso.htm

PS They are large files but do check out 1:1 comparison of the shots from the 
D200 and 5D, sensor pixel pitch makes all the difference.


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Re: PESO: around the corner (revised for doug:) )

2006-02-13 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Kenneth Waller wrote:
 
 Great, now I see a tree sticking out of the head of the foreground person!!
 
 Kenneth Waller

I'm not minding that tree - but that was what I suspected
Shel saw, instead of the
post Doug saw.

LOL!

Sorry Ken , I'm not replanting the tree :)
ann

 
 - Original Message -
 From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: PESO: around the corner (revised for doug:) )
 
  Doug Brewer wrote:
 
  On Feb 12, 2006, at 3:29 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 
   .. on 1st ave and st marks place today
  
   blizzard are us
  
   http://users.rcn.com/annsan/blizzardpaw.jpg
  
   ann
  
great shot, but that sign sticking out of the top of her head is
  killing me.
 
  better?
  http://users.rcn.com/annsan/blizzardtoday.jpg
 
  but now it is blizzard yestrday :)
 



Re: PESO: around the corner (revised for doug:) )

2006-02-13 Thread Ann Sanfedele
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 In a message dated 2/13/2006 3:50:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]
 writes:
  Marnie aka Doe
 
 :) though after Doug pointed it out it suddenly got much
 larger and darker! vbg
 
 ann
 ==
 Hehehehe. Yup.
 
 Marnie aka Doe

Well, I'm glad this isn't the first thing I ever posted to
the list  -
we are spending much too much time on this snap I think! 

ann



censorship on ebay

2006-02-13 Thread Ann Sanfedele
now I've seen it all...

I listed a chalk drawing of mine... an impressionistic nude,
_ I was careful not to
call the thing bare naked lady .. 

The listing is over in 2 hours... it has been there for
almost a week with no
problem... listed under art - subject matter nudes in the
search thing.

they blocked out the gallery image! (but not, at least the
images in the listing itself.


ugh.

ann



Re: scratches on lenses

2006-02-13 Thread Bob Sullivan
Igor,
Yes, but...
I don't think they make a 2% difference, or a .2% diference.
Only in the case of flare would I be concerned.
But I'm sure they knock the price down on used lenses.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 2/13/06, Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Every so often I see a claim in a lens description:
 These scratches don't affect the quality of your photo.

 What does one think when writing this type of statement?
 That you don't see the scratch on the photos?
 Even if a half of the lens area is covered by scratches you might
 not see the scratches on the photo..

 Well, this is a somewhat rhetorical question:
 How do you know that the scratches don't affect the quality of your photo?!
 Personally, I would say that all scratches that are within the
 entire beam diameter used in imaging DO affect the quality of photos.
 So, the meaningful interpretation of the original statement would be:
 I didn't have the way of knowing any better image quality.

 Would you agree?

 Igor





Re: scratches on lenses

2006-02-13 Thread Rob Studdert
On 13 Feb 2006 at 18:41, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Igor,
 Yes, but...
 I don't think they make a 2% difference, or a .2% diference.
 Only in the case of flare would I be concerned.

I think that the point is that it's not for others to determine how much 
difference it will make to the buyer, surely only they would appreciate that.


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Re: For USA members. Bad legislation for photographers.

2006-02-13 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Bob - thanks for sending that -

that is really disgusting. ugh.

I just got censored on ebay oddly -

they covered up my gallery image of a pastel chalk nude. so
silly

ann



Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-13 Thread Ann Sanfedele
David Savage wrote:
 
 You should have it framed and hang it on the wall then.
 
 I'm serious :-)
 
 Dave
 
 On 2/13/06, Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I have one
  scarf I hardly ever
  wear because I'm afraid I'll lose it and it was a present
  from someone special.
 
  ann
 
 

it is hanging on the wall - from a hook, though not in a
frame...

I wear it on rare special occsaions. 

and (ask frank if you don't believe me) there ain't no room
on the walls for anything else :)

ann



OT projector lens questions

2006-02-13 Thread Yefei He
Hi, Folks, 

I'm doing some research on projector brightness. Not slide projectors, 
rather projectors for vitual reality applications, but the questions I have 
are relevant to both types. They probably sound pretty basic but anyway 
please bear with me: 

1. Does a projector lens with longer focal length give a larger image 
or smaller, if the projector to screen distance remains the same and assume 
both are able to focus on the screen at that distance? My guess is wide
angle 
lens gives a larger image since a wide angle lens on a camera has a wider 
angle of view. But I've learned not to use deduction too liberally:-) 

2. If two lenses of different focus length have the same working
aperture, 
do the images they generate have the same brightness on an identical screen
at 
the same distance? If so, then the lens that generates the larger image 
passes more light since brightness is amount of light on unit area, right? 
Now this gets me confused assuming my guess to the first question is
correct, 
as for example, a 20mm/2 lens has a theoretical aperture size of 10mm, and 
a 40mm/2 lens has a theoretical aperture size of 20mm, and the 20mm lens 
actually passes more light???  

3. What I really should ask is that, there is a projector with a lens 
that's f=20.0mm/2.0 to 40.0mm/2.8, and I'd like to know, does the image 
brightness stay the same when I change the focal length from 20mm to 40mm 
and keep the screen at the same place? Obviously the image size will change 
so light spreads out more in one case but does the different aperture 
cancel that out?  

Thanks in advance! 

Yefei 




Re: Intro to Wildlife Shooting

2006-02-13 Thread Paul Stenquist
Good lens work. You nailed the focus and exposure. The background isn't 
ideal, but I could live with that. I might clone out the typography. 
But the cutoff legs don't work for me. Nevertheless, a very good 
effort.

Paul
On Feb 13, 2006, at 7:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


In a message dated 2/13/2006 8:13:05 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Having a recent interest in wildlife subjects, I decided to pick up a
telephoto lens for my DSLR. I found a pretty nice copy of the
discontinued Tokina AT-X 400mm F5.6 on eBay. The lens is surprisingly
lightweight and is pretty easily handheld for the most part. This image
is one of the first ones taken with it and is my first shot of the
Great Blue Heron. Feedback appreciated. Thanks for looking.

JayT
http://i.pbase.com/o4/87/63987/1/55968855.ElliotGBH.jpg
1/2000s f/6.7 at 400.0mm iso200
===
That's not a stuffed bird, is it? I guess the background looks odd.

I'd take it out (re the background), because the detail on the bird is 
good,

but the background is highly distracting.

But I am also with Ken, try to get the legs next time.

You're getting there. Keep it up.

Marnie aka Doe





Re: OT: It's been almost 3 years ...

2006-02-13 Thread Paul Stenquist
Sorry to hear that. Been there, done that. It's no fun. Hope you find 
new employment soon.

Paul
On Feb 13, 2006, at 7:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


... since my last period of unemployment.
But that old monster has bit again.
So now come the choices -- what to part with.

First to go is ...

... wait ... I'll decide later in the week.
Got to let my head clear and make the right choices.
No sense in being rash.

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Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-13 Thread Rob Studdert
On 13 Feb 2006 at 19:53, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 and (ask frank if you don't believe me) there ain't no room
 on the walls for anything else :)

Of course I can vouch for you too, little paint is visible between the book-
shelves and art-works :-)

Cheers,


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Re: OT projector lens questions

2006-02-13 Thread Rob Studdert
On 13 Feb 2006 at 18:58, Yefei He wrote:

 1. Does a projector lens with longer focal length give a larger image 
 or smaller, if the projector to screen distance remains the same and assume 
 both are able to focus on the screen at that distance? My guess is wide
 angle 
 lens gives a larger image since a wide angle lens on a camera has a wider 
 angle of view. But I've learned not to use deduction too liberally:-) 

As the lenses FL increases the width of the projected image is reduced, it 
works exactly the same was as if the lens was mounted on a camera for image 
capture.

 2. If two lenses of different focus length have the same working
 aperture, 
 do the images they generate have the same brightness on an identical screen
 at 
 the same distance? 

No, because the projected image is spread over a larger surface area in the 
case of the shorter FL lens.

 If so, then the lens that generates the larger image 
 passes more light since brightness is amount of light on unit area, right? 
 Now this gets me confused assuming my guess to the first question is
 correct, 
 as for example, a 20mm/2 lens has a theoretical aperture size of 10mm, and 
 a 40mm/2 lens has a theoretical aperture size of 20mm, and the 20mm lens 
 actually passes more light???  

No.
 
 3. What I really should ask is that, there is a projector with a lens 
 that's f=20.0mm/2.0 to 40.0mm/2.8, and I'd like to know, does the image 
 brightness stay the same when I change the focal length from 20mm to 40mm 
 and keep the screen at the same place? Obviously the image size will change 
 so light spreads out more in one case but does the different aperture 
 cancel that out?  

You really need to determine the required magnification first, there is no 
point getting the fastest lens if the magnification is too large or small.


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Re: PESO: around the corner (revised for doug:) )

2006-02-13 Thread Shel Belinkoff
No one said you didn't know how.  You kept saying you didn't see it.  The
offer to show you the shot with/without the pole was based on that. 
Sometimes when someone sees two images together the difference becomes
noticeable.  No need to get defensive.  

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Ann Sanfedele 

 But the point is, if it is a street shot, I'm not going to
 mess with it in that fashion
 in photoshop - I don't care if you want to show us or me
 what you did to get rid of the
 pole totally - but I didn't _not_ do it because I didn't
 know how.

   http://users.rcn.com/annsan/blizzardtoday.jpg




Re: OT: It's been almost 3 years ...

2006-02-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Sorry to hear about it.
Hopefully you can turn it into an opportunity. Don't do anything too  
rash or quickly.


Godfrey


On Feb 13, 2006, at 4:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


... since my last period of unemployment.
But that old monster has bit again.
So now come the choices -- what to part with.

First to go is ...

... wait ... I'll decide later in the week.
Got to let my head clear and make the right choices.
No sense in being rash.

Collin




Re: Intro to Wildlife Shooting

2006-02-13 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Jay,

Not sure which one you got, but mine has been wonderful.  I have many
nice shots from it.  Mine is labeled Tokina AT-X AF400 Close Focus
around the distance scale and then a red SD with a red stripe around
the hood.

The shot indicates yours is a nice lens.  Have a great time with it.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Monday, February 13, 2006, 8:12:51 AM, you wrote:

JT Having a recent interest in wildlife subjects, I decided to pick up a
JT telephoto lens for my DSLR. I found a pretty nice copy of the 
JT discontinued Tokina AT-X 400mm F5.6 on eBay. The lens is surprisingly
JT lightweight and is pretty easily handheld for the most part. This image
JT is one of the first ones taken with it and is my first shot of the
JT Great Blue Heron. Feedback appreciated. Thanks for looking.

JT JayT
JT http://i.pbase.com/o4/87/63987/1/55968855.ElliotGBH.jpg
JT 1/2000s f/6.7 at 400.0mm iso200



Re: The Sacrifices

2006-02-13 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Rob Studdert wrote:
 
 On 13 Feb 2006 at 19:53, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 
  and (ask frank if you don't believe me) there ain't no room
  on the walls for anything else :)
 
 Of course I can vouch for you too, little paint is visible between the book-
 shelves and art-works :-)
 
 Cheers,

 Rob Studdert
 HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
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even less now (frank was here more recently than were you,
Amita, or Cesar)
Wall? what wall?

ann



Re: PESO: Toronto sunset

2006-02-13 Thread Perry Pellechia
I will add my favorable comments about the shot.  I like it un
cropped.  I do agree with Rick that if you had the ship near the
center of the frame it would have been an even better photo.

Perry,

On 2/13/06, Fernando Terrazzino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So, I can decide if cropping some on the right would help this one. Any
 comments appreciated.

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Re: Frozen Pond

2006-02-13 Thread Rick Womer
Kenneth,

Looking at it with my calibrated monitor at home,
rather than my uncalibrated monitor at work, I see
what you mean about the tint.

Not sure how I would simplify it, though, apart from
cropping out everything but the branch--which loses
the atmosphere.

Rick

--- Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Rick,
 On my calibrated monitor, the image has an
 objectionable overall magenta 
 tint.
 The posted image needs to be simplified, there's too
 much going on that 
 competes for my attention.
 
 Kenneth Waller
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Subject: PESO: Frozen Pond
 
 
  Another in my On My Way to Work series.
 
  We had a bit of snow here in the northeastern US,
 and
  I tarried on my walk to work to shoot a little.
 
 
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4119836
 
  Optio 33L, +0.7 exposure comp., slightly cropped.
 
  Comments most welcome.
 
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Re: Katzeye optics - Review???

2006-02-13 Thread Rob Studdert
On 12 Feb 2006 at 15:37, herb greenslade wrote:

 Hi 
 
 Thanks for the link Robert. 

No problems, some more perhaps?

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=17159777


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Re: Hasselblad H2 test drive

2006-02-13 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Kevin,
 
 Did the tether software fall over during the test? A friend of mine 
 rented the 39MP  H2 for a shoot and had the software repeatedly crash 
 on him while shooting. It's not terribly stable.

No, it performed very well. All was done on G5 Macs

Kind regards
Kevin


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Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.



Re: censorship on ebay

2006-02-13 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/13/2006 4:41:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] 
writes:
they blocked out the gallery image! (but not, at least the
images in the listing itself.


ugh.

ann
--
A chalk drawing? Someone has a very good imagination to see a real nude in 
that.

They should refund your gallery fee, of course.

Marnie aka Doe 



Re: PESO: Toronto sunset

2006-02-13 Thread frank theriault
On 2/13/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Frank did you have a problem with me

Nope.

 I didn't have a problem with you.

I didn't think you did.

 What's this guy talking about? :-)

I think he's trying to start something.  We'd better go whup his ass!

g

cheers,
frank
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Re: censorship on ebay

2006-02-13 Thread Ann Sanfedele
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 In a message dated 2/13/2006 4:41:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]
 writes:
 they blocked out the gallery image! (but not, at least the
 images in the listing itself.
 
 ugh.
 
 ann
 --
 A chalk drawing? Someone has a very good imagination to see a real nude in
 that.
 
 They should refund your gallery fee, of course.
 
 Marnie aka Doe

It would be pretty painful to persue that for 35 cents. - I
think I'll just let it go...
they didnt put that blocking thing up until sometime today
and it had been up for a week.
But the degree of prudery is pretty shocking. 

funny thing, it started as a landscape and i switched it to
a nude - did the drawing a few
years ago.

ann



Re: censorship on ebay

2006-02-13 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 funny thing, it started as a landscape and i switched it to
 a nude 

It begs the question, what did you use for a model?

Kind regards
Kevin


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Re: PESO: Frozen Pond

2006-02-13 Thread Scott Loveless
Hey, I like it!

We only got about five inches.  :(  Was hoping for a foot or more.

On 2/13/06, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Another in my On My Way to Work series.

 We had a bit of snow here in the northeastern US, and
 I tarried on my walk to work to shoot a little.

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4119836

 Optio 33L, +0.7 exposure comp., slightly cropped.

 Comments most welcome.

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Re: censorship on ebay

2006-02-13 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Kevin Waterson wrote:
 
 This one time, at band camp, Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  funny thing, it started as a landscape and i switched it to
  a nude
 
 It begs the question, what did you use for a model?
 
 Kind regards
 Kevin
 
 --
 Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
 Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

lol!

No matter how I answer that one I'm in trouble!

ann



Re: OT: It's been almost 3 years ...

2006-02-13 Thread Boris Liberman

Hi!


... since my last period of unemployment.
But that old monster has bit again.
So now come the choices -- what to part with.

First to go is ...

... wait ... I'll decide later in the week.
Got to let my head clear and make the right choices.
No sense in being rash.


Darn...

Hope you'd recover quickly...

Boris



Re: OT: It's been almost 3 years ...

2006-02-13 Thread Leon Altoff

Collin,

It's been almost 17 years since my last period of unemployment.  The 
world is a different place!


At least we can live off my wife's income so I just need to make sure 
I'm working again before I want to update the *istD.



 Leon

http://www.bluering.org.au
http://www.bluering.org.au/leon


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

... since my last period of unemployment.
But that old monster has bit again.
So now come the choices -- what to part with.

First to go is ...

... wait ... I'll decide later in the week.
Got to let my head clear and make the right choices.
No sense in being rash.

Collin


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