Re: Backfocus

2006-09-27 Thread Toine
I have seen backfocus problems. At least I think I so because I have
never seen frontfocus problems. After some tests with manual long
glass my conclusion is that the focusing screen in the D is correct.
Sometimes autofocus isn't.

On 9/27/06, Tom Lesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> Do/did others have backfocus trouble with the *istD when it was new,
> and is/was there a fix?
>
> Thanks
> Tom Lesser
> Frederick MD
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Re: Current market share in Japan

2006-09-27 Thread Jostein Øksne
The competition will be tough as always. :-)
Fingers crossed that they can hold on to at least a few of the extra
percentages, and that this will benefit us brand nutters...:-)

Jostein

On 9/28/06, Lawrence Kwan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Sep 2006, K.Takeshita wrote:
> > http://bcnranking.jp/freepaper/12-00010332.html
> > Pentax now 16.6%.  They might reach 20% after the launch of k10D, as is
> > expected.
>
> But it would face the launch of D80 and 400D (EOS Kiss Digital X).
> I won't doubt Pentax would do reasonably well in its domestic market.
> What would be interesting is the market share in US/Europe and the world
> market.
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Re: CompatFlash v4.0

2006-09-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Sep 27, 2006, at 2:18 PM, mike wilson wrote:

> Care to define "modern" in computer terms?

Sure: for the computers that most people use, systems capable of  
supporting Windows XP and Mac OS X in recent revisions with enough  
memory and performance to be useful. There are plenty of other  
possible definitions, but this one works for the majority of people  
who need access to USB mass storage devices.

Godfrey

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RE: Backfocus

2006-09-27 Thread Jens Bladt
Nope. A lot was written about it. The problem seem to have occured with some
lenses - off brand lenses, I believe.
I have never noticed anything of the sort.
Regards
Jens

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Emne: Re: Backfocus



- Original Message -
From: "Tom Lesser" <
Subject: Backfocus


> Hi All:
>
> Do/did others have backfocus trouble with the *istD when it was new,
> and is/was there a fix?
>

I didn't, at least not that I've noticed. My istD was one of the first
ones sold in Canada, I am sure.

William Robb



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RE: leaving soon for Greece

2006-09-27 Thread Jens Bladt
Satorini is the place to photograph. It's a vulcano that exploded 1000 years
(or so) ago. Expert say the saound was so loud, that the Scandinavians must
have heard it.
The towns are located at the rim. Everytime the street takes a turn, they
build a church. Walking up the main street you'll be overlooking the sea
(caldera). You can take a beautiful postcard for every step you take.
Litteraly! That's how pretty it is. I know you'll have a great trip!
Regards

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Emne: leaving soon for Greece


Nate and I are leaving on Sunday for two weeks in Greece! We'll be on
Naxos for 5 days, Santorini for 3 days, and in Athens for 3 days. This
is our first trip to Greece.

Here is the kit I'm taking:

*istD
Sigma 10-20mm
Sigma 18-50mm
FA 50mm f/1.4
DA 50-200mm

tripod & ballhead
blue/yellow filter
couple of ND and graduated ND filters
polarizers

Optio WP for backup & watery situations

I've been doing my homework and we know what we want to see, but is
there anything in particular or off the beaten path that we shouldn't
miss? Obviously we're going to visit the Acropolis. We're going to
rent a car and drive around Naxos for a couple of days, and I'm
bringing the tripod mainly to shoot sunrises & sunsets.

>From what I've seen, it looks like it's very hard to take a *bad*
photo in the Cyclades, so I'm really looking forward to this trip. :)

Amita

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Re: Just shoot me...

2006-09-27 Thread Gonz
Most of those cable connections have the option of using either ethernet 
or USB.  Why didnt the bozo recommend that you get an ethernet card 
instead of attempting to go through USB to your machine?  Ethernet cards 
are cheap, heck I even have some spare ones lying around.  You want one?

rg


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> NOt with a camera, either
> 
> Gotta vent 
> on verge of tears
> 
> No high speed internet connection for moi
> 
> In the process of finding out this DIDN't work with my
> computer, 
> the Time-warner techie managed to kill my USB port
> connections that
> I was toggling between printer, scanner and camera and
> backup hard drive on one
> USB port. but it all worked fine until the cable guy tried
> to use that port to hook up the
> cable modem. 
> 
> fortunately my
> keyboard and mouse still work. 
> 
> I'm frustrated, scared and angry.  
> 
> May or may not be able to get a friend over tomorrow to
> assess the situation - meanwhile
> I cant do any real work 
> 
> IF any of you guys taht are either night owls or on the west
> coast and are
> really savvy about windoze 98se and port management have any
> idea where i should start
> to restore the conenctions, I'd be mroe than grateful If I
> could talk to you 
> over the phone  my non dime of course. (non-dime because my
> cell phone is 
> really cheap and good)
> 
> TIA
> ann sad
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Re: What do you do when you get to IMGP9999

2006-09-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Sep 26, 2006, at 9:25 PM, Adam McKenty wrote:

> How do you rename/organize your digital photos?

Directory structure:
Photos
- year
-- ready to work
--- -
--- -
--- - ...
-- worked  
--- -
--- -
--- - ...


Notes:

 - example: September 9, 2006 goes to "20060909" to ensure text  
sorts work correctly.

 - basically, I add a string to the date for  
directories of files so that I can get a hint as to what the contents  
might be. it's free form.

 - is the name of some sort of working project, like  
"Ramsey exhibit - 20060128" is the master folder for my Ramsey  
exhibit, showing the date I started the project.

I don't change original download file names. If there might be a name  
conflict, I download into separate folders. Tagging with Bridge and  
iView is how I manage sorting and finding stuff, not by the file  
system names and folders.

Godfrey

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Re: K10D etc.: first impressions (from Photokina)

2006-09-27 Thread Amita Guha
On 9/28/06, Douglas Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- "Amita Guha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> << I saw the Sony Alpha today and was shocked at how
> plasticky and cheap it felt. >>
>
> It's not THAT bad... Don't get me wrong; it's not GOOD
> but have you ever felt a Canon Rebel? Now they REALLY
> feel like crap... Next to those, the A100 doesn't feel
> so bad.

Yes, and the Alpha reminded me of the Rebel. My husband had one for
years, and I always hated the feel of it.

> But it is definitely worse than the Nikon D50/D70/D80

Agreed. I took a quick look at a D50 today and I was impressed at its
build quality for its price range.

> I just checked and, yes, both the K10D and the A100
> sell for $999 with kit lens, $899 without.

Thanks! That's what I get for not double checking my figures. :)

Amita

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Re: Interview w/Pentax exec

2006-09-27 Thread Gonz


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 28/09/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>So the flagship will not be full frame. That's fine with me. I've
>>invested quite a bit in DA lenses, and I intend to invest more.
> 
> 
> At least we have a better idea of where they are heading now, I know
> it's not aligned with my requirements. I suspect the K10D will be the
> last piece of Pentax gear I buy (it will simply tide me over during
> the transition).
> 

Its pretty clear that Pentax does not have the either the resources or 
the incentive to pull off a FF camera.

First of all it would require two different lens lines, one for the 
smaller image circle, one for the larger.  Even Canon, with their much 
deeper pockets, is pretty stretched right now supporting lenses for the 
high end FF and the smaller consumer and semi-professional APS sized lines.

Second, in body SR is not going to work in the FF because of image 
circle limitations.  Canon has the upper hand here because of the lens 
based IS, which is independent of the sensor size.  But have you priced 
an IS lens lately?

Third, Pentax believes that they are going to address the higher end 
market through their MF offering, but that may be too little too late. 
They have traditionally let Canon and Nikon fight over the high end 35mm 
market, with the exception of the LX.  Unfortunately much of the MF 
market seems to have gone to high end 35mm digital, such as the Canon 
1DSMkII.

Finally, I think Pentax pulled out of the MZD project because of two 
things:  1. chip cost and availability  2. image quality.  Even if you 
fixed 1, the image quality problem with FF sensors is real.  There might 
be a technological fix in the future, and Leica's approach seems 
promising, but it seems Pentax's sensitivity to this issue is an 
obstacle to FF adoption.  Of course chip availability and cost is still 
an issue.

With the advent of super wides to cover the hole left by 1.5x crop 
factor, its not much of an issue to me any longer.  The 12-24 is an 
amazing lens.  The only remaining problem is noise due to smaller photo 
site sizes.  If Pentax has done a good job managing this in the K10D, 
there is not a whole lot more that the FF is going to offer for the 
considerable premium it would require. I think the K10D has the 
potential to be about as good as it gets for an APS sized camera.

rg

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Re: K10D etc.: first impressions (from Photokina)

2006-09-27 Thread Douglas Newman
--- "Amita Guha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<< I saw the Sony Alpha today and was shocked at how
plasticky and cheap it felt. >>

It's not THAT bad... Don't get me wrong; it's not GOOD
but have you ever felt a Canon Rebel? Now they REALLY
feel like crap... Next to those, the A100 doesn't feel
so bad.

But it is definitely worse than the Nikon D50/D70/D80
and if the K10D is actually better than an *ist D (or
even as good as it), then the K10D will blow away any
other camera in the price range as far as build
quality is concerned. 

<< I know it's much cheaper than the K10D is supposed
to be >>

It is? That's news to me.

I just checked and, yes, both the K10D and the A100
sell for $999 with kit lens, $899 without.

New Doug

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Re: Just shoot me..

2006-09-27 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> 
> I bought a LaCie 20GB USB 2.0 portable hard drive that fits in my pocket.
> At the time it cost about $129.00.  Today one can get a 40GB drive, that's
> the same size, but faster, for $79.00. 


I got 80G for that or maybe it was even less - about a
month ago. 

Just hope the USB ports are refreshable

ann

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Re: K10D/GX-10 DNG file here (link) +JPEG

2006-09-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Paul

Write this in TextEdit, save it as a plain TEXT file named  
"download.htm"



http://users.skynet.be/thibouille/SG12.DNG";> file 



Open the file Safari, click on the link with the control key held  
down, and tell the browser to save it to the hard disk. The file will  
be transferred with a ".txt" extension. In the Finder, rename it to  
SG102.DNG. You can then open it with ACR.

Godfrey


On Sep 27, 2006, at 4:23 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> I just couldn't download it. One of my browsers thought it was a text
> file, the other a quick time movie. But I did look at the jpeg.
> Interesting, but so preliminary. I saw only very minor CA, most of
> which could have been natural coloration at the edge of the table
> caused by lighting or reflection of objects in the area.
> Paul


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Re: Release Date of K10D for AU?

2006-09-27 Thread David Savage
My camera store told me early November, but I've read elsewhere mid/late 
Nov. Who knows?

I keep pestering my camera store for news of release date & final body 
price, so they won't forget me in a hurry ;-)

Dave

At 12:31 PM 28/09/2006, Paul wrote:
>Has any one got a release date for K10D for Australia?


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Re: Just shoot me..

2006-09-27 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Joseph Tainter wrote:
> 
> Ann, I know that finances are usually a consideration. When you have the
> money, you can get a useable XP machine for $500 or less.
> 
> Also, regarding the files on your current PC, you can get an external
> hard drive in a case that connects through USB. Heck, these are down to
> about $100. Or get a memory stick. As long as you have one USB port
> working, you can transfer all of your files to a new machine.
> 
> Joe
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Hehe I have an 80G external harddrive one of the things
I can't use
today because of the apparently dead USB ports.  The USB
ports are NOT working
since the cable guy tried to connect the modem directly with
a USB cable.

There may be help forthcoming locally tomorrow.

I think Im going to crawl into bed with some munchies and my
pusscat and
watch turner classic movies until I fall asleep.

ann

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Release Date of K10D for AU?

2006-09-27 Thread Paul
Has any one got a release date for K10D for Australia?

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Re: Just shoot me..

2006-09-27 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I bought a LaCie 20GB USB 2.0 portable hard drive that fits in my pocket. 
At the time it cost about $129.00.  Today one can get a 40GB drive, that's
the same size, but faster, for $79.00.  There are, of course, other options
that may even be a better value.  The little pocket drive allowed the xfer
of files form one machine to another to take place easily and quickly.  And
it has the advantage of being a go anywhere unit, allowing for the
portability of a great may files, so I can work on pics on a friend's
computer, swap files, bring files to the lab, and so on, with ease.

However, I mostly use it as an "attic" or storage room, keeping odds and
ends on it, like recipes, joke files, funny pics, personal correspondence -
anything I don't really need but want to hold on to.  These little drives
are cool, come in much larger capacities, and are relatively inexpensive. 
They're not in the same league as the big, fast backup drives, but they are
a lot more portable.  La Cie always has something interesting on their web
site.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Date: 9/27/2006 9:18:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Just shoot me..
>
> Ann, I know that finances are usually a consideration. When you have the 
> money, you can get a useable XP machine for $500 or less.
>
> Also, regarding the files on your current PC, you can get an external 
> hard drive in a case that connects through USB. Heck, these are down to 
> about $100. Or get a memory stick. As long as you have one USB port 
> working, you can transfer all of your files to a new machine.
>
> Joe
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Re: leaving soon for Greece

2006-09-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Having made it through all the transit, and now gotten some sleep ...

On Sep 27, 2006, at 7:34 PM, Amita Guha wrote:

> Thanks! I have decided to check my tripod and ballhead - I don't think
> they'll let me bring the 'pod anyway, and it's a small, cheaper one
> that will easily fit in my checked baggage.  My carryon is just the
> Lowepro Orion Trekker II backpack, which I know will meet any size
> restrictions.

I've got the Lowepro CompuTrekker and it was very full on the way  
here. Part of the load was a Seagate 3.5" hard drive and RAM for my  
friends, so it's a bit less full now. It fits through the "one carry  
on" sizing as long as I don't stuff the front pocket with books to read.

The section of the trip I was worried about was the BA flight from  
London Luton to IOM. I was insistently told ONE carryon, period. Of  
course, as I'm getting on the plane, one guy had a doublesize  
rollaway and an armload of dry cleaning, another gal had rollaway,  
two guitars, and a music stand. The plane was only 1/3 full. If I'd  
just strapped the tripod to the bag as I usually do, no one would  
have blinked. The folks at United coming here didn't seem to care at  
all ... most people had two bags and I saw several with tripod cases  
and musical instruments in carryon bags.

On reflection, I should have left the computer home. Plenty of  
computer stuff here on the Island, won't need it for the rest of the  
trip. I wanted it to do some writing work that I need to get done  
while I'm here, but I could have just brought the files on my flash  
drive. That would have saved a lot of space and weight in the bag. I  
also packed too many shirts/socks/etc and forgot a sweatshirt/sweater.

Oh well, the borrowed tripod will do nicely. I'm happy with having  
less lens choices for the moment ... hopefully it will help me focus  
my efforts.

Godfrey


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Re: Interview w/Pentax exec

2006-09-27 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 28/09/06, John Celio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Like Paul said, if you're not going to stick with Pentax because of your
> "requirements", why not just go away now?

If I didn't know what a nice guy you were I'd think you were a [EMAIL PROTECTED]
after reading that. I've been supporting Pentax directly and
indirectly for over 20 years and have a good deal of their top end
product, so it's not a decision I take lightly.

> As I've said before, the "FF" idea is foolish, and there is really no reason
> (in my humble opinion) to go jumping ship to Canon just because they have
> "FF" sensors in their cameras.  I've yet to see a wide-angle shot taken with
> a "FF" sensor that doesn't have soft or dark edges and corners.  I mean,
> hell, even Leica, the king of high-priced, high-spec'd cameras, isn't using
> a "FF" sensor in their dSLR and digital M and R cameras.  Doesn't that tell
> you something?  If nothing else, I think they're trying to say this:
>
> 35mm digital sensors do not produce the kind of edge-to-edge quality
> customers demand!
>
> It's that simple.
>
> John Celio
>
> P.S.: a coworker of mine sold 90% of his Leica gear and bought a Canon 5D
> and a couple L lenses and fast wide primes.  He frequently laments to
> customers how disappointed he has been with his purchase, especially how it
> performs with the wide lenses.  That's usually enough to get said customers
> over their preconcieved notion that "FF" is better.  Hell, one customer even
> went on to order a Leica MP.

I've got no idea if his expectations are unrealistic but I've read and
seen enough to know that the slight disadvantages will be far
outweighed by the significant advantages of a low density FF sensor.
I'm not prepared to have to deal with the compromises that have to be
endured as ASP sized sensors become more dense.

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Re: leaving soon for Greece

2006-09-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Sep 27, 2006, at 1:18 PM, Bob W wrote:

> Don't worry, Godfrey, you don't need clothes in Britain - none of us
> wear them any more.

Hmm.



Godfrey


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Re: Interview w/Pentax exec

2006-09-27 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 28/09/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Seriously, if you're sure Pentax can't meet your needs, why not
> switch now? If you're not going to stick with Pentax, money spent on
> the K10D will be wasted. I can understand someone wanting to go to
> the pro level Canon or Nikon cameras, and in that scenario continuing
> with Pentax seems counterproductive.

Because I can't put new money into a system, I have to sell before I
can acquire (apart from the $ required to purchase a k10D which as
I've said in the past I have set aside already), and that will take
time. Simple really.

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Re: leaving soon for Greece

2006-09-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Sep 27, 2006, at 2:28 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

>> Except for the Isle of Man, which is governed by the Taliban and  
>> where
>> you'll be thrashed with birches if you so much as think about
>> nakedness.
>
> Mind you, some people *like* that sort of thing...

special people.

G

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Re: Just shoot me..

2006-09-27 Thread Joseph Tainter
Ann, I know that finances are usually a consideration. When you have the 
money, you can get a useable XP machine for $500 or less.

Also, regarding the files on your current PC, you can get an external 
hard drive in a case that connects through USB. Heck, these are down to 
about $100. Or get a memory stick. As long as you have one USB port 
working, you can transfer all of your files to a new machine.

Joe

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Re: Interview w/Pentax exec

2006-09-27 Thread Douglas Newman
--- Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Seriously, what could be added to warrant a
> substantially higher price?

The K10D is basically a D200 at a D80 price. I would
expect the K1D will be a D2Xs at a D200 price.

I would say we are, at the very least, looking at:

12 MP 
5 fps 
Bigger RAW buffer 
Full Magnesium Alloy Body

And possibly:

8 fps "high-speed crop" mode
Built-in Veritcal Grip
New AF and Metering Systems

And who knows what else they could have up their
sleeve.

All for a price of probably below $2,000.

This wouldn't compel me to buy the camera (it would be
pretty hard to think of a feature I'd want that the
K10D hasn't got) but I'm sure there are those who
would. After all, a D2Xs is only marginally better
than a D200, and a D200 only marginally better than a
D80, and yet all three sell...

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Re: K10D etc.: first impressions (from Photokina)

2006-09-27 Thread Amita Guha
On 9/27/06, Douglas Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- "Amita Guha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thibouille, how was the build of the K10D?
>
> According to Thibouille and others, the build quality
> is better than the *ist D.

Thanks, guys! I missed that in Thibouille's original post.

I saw the Sony Alpha today and was shocked at how plasticky and cheap
it felt. I know it's much cheaper than the K10D is supposed to be, but
they look similar to each other in photos, so I got a little worried
there. :)

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Re: Just shoot me...

2006-09-27 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Joseph Tainter wrote:
> 
> Ann, sorry to hear this. I had similar frustrations with W98SE. I
> finally had to bite the bullet and install XP. It was a colossal
> nuisance, and about 17 months later I am still recovering from it, but I
> am glad that I made the switch. USB port problems are a think of the past.
> 
> Joe
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The bullet I have been thinking about biting is getting
another computer just for getting
on line and keeping this one for working

There are financial considerations, too. 

There is stuff on this machine I wouldn't be able to replace
and I want to use...
so the ONLY route I will go is an additional machine...sigh.

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Re: Interview w/Pentax exec

2006-09-27 Thread John Celio
> At least we have a better idea of where they are heading now, I know
> it's not aligned with my requirements. I suspect the K10D will be the
> last piece of Pentax gear I buy (it will simply tide me over during
> the transition).

Like Paul said, if you're not going to stick with Pentax because of your 
"requirements", why not just go away now?

As I've said before, the "FF" idea is foolish, and there is really no reason 
(in my humble opinion) to go jumping ship to Canon just because they have 
"FF" sensors in their cameras.  I've yet to see a wide-angle shot taken with 
a "FF" sensor that doesn't have soft or dark edges and corners.  I mean, 
hell, even Leica, the king of high-priced, high-spec'd cameras, isn't using 
a "FF" sensor in their dSLR and digital M and R cameras.  Doesn't that tell 
you something?  If nothing else, I think they're trying to say this:

35mm digital sensors do not produce the kind of edge-to-edge quality 
customers demand!

It's that simple.

John Celio

P.S.: a coworker of mine sold 90% of his Leica gear and bought a Canon 5D 
and a couple L lenses and fast wide primes.  He frequently laments to 
customers how disappointed he has been with his purchase, especially how it 
performs with the wide lenses.  That's usually enough to get said customers 
over their preconcieved notion that "FF" is better.  Hell, one customer even 
went on to order a Leica MP.

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Re: K10D etc.: first impressions (from Photokina)

2006-09-27 Thread Douglas Newman
--- "Amita Guha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thibouille, how was the build of the K10D? 

According to Thibouille and others, the build quality
is better than the *ist D.

I take that it to mean that must be very good, since
the D was very nicely put together for an "advanced
amateur" camera.

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RE: Just shoot me...

2006-09-27 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Ann,

I feel for you, however, I think it's time for you to move into the 21st
Century.  It may be time to finally upgrade your system to WIN XP, upgrade
the computer or maybe buy a new one.  I know it's tough for you financially
- it was tough for me when I did it a couple of years ago, but it sure made
my life more pleasant and allowed me to work on the things I needed for
business and for enjoyment.  Prices of machines have come down a lot, and
maybe you can find a good used machine for just a few hundred dollars,
maybe even less.

Maybe some of the technically inclined on the list can help cobble together
something for you, but IAC, and however you do it, it may very well be time
to leave 98SE behind.

And just a suggestion based on your DSLR debacle - don't make a move or buy
anything from a local shop in NYC until you've talked with your friends
here, and have thrashed out all the possibilities.

Just my 2-cents, and worth almost every penny I suppose.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Ann Sanfedele 

> Gotta vent on verge of tears
>
> No high speed internet connection for moi
>
> In the process of finding out this DIDN't work with my
> computer, the Time-warner techie managed to kill my 
> USB port connections that I was toggling between printer, 
>scanner and camera and backup hard drive on one
> USB port. but it all worked fine until the cable guy tried
> to use that port to hook up the cable modem. 
>
> fortunately my keyboard and mouse still work. 
>
> I'm frustrated, scared and angry.  
>
> May or may not be able to get a friend over tomorrow to
> assess the situation - meanwhile I cant do any real work 
>
> IF any of you guys taht are either night owls or on the west
> coast and are really savvy about windoze 98se and port 
> management have any idea where i should start
> to restore the conenctions, I'd be mroe than grateful If I
> could talk to you  over the phone  my non dime of course. 
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Re: Current market share in Japan

2006-09-27 Thread Lawrence Kwan
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006, K.Takeshita wrote:
> http://bcnranking.jp/freepaper/12-00010332.html
> Pentax now 16.6%.  They might reach 20% after the launch of k10D, as is
> expected.

But it would face the launch of D80 and 400D (EOS Kiss Digital X).
I won't doubt Pentax would do reasonably well in its domestic market. 
What would be interesting is the market share in US/Europe and the world 
market.

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Re: PESO - candle experiment

2006-09-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Sep 26, 2006, at 4:59 PM, Russell Kerstetter wrote:

>> http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/pic12.html
> okay here is a square crop...
> http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/squarecandle.html

Yes, that works better for me.

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Re: K10D at quesabesde (Spanish website)

2006-09-27 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Carlos Royo"
Subject: K10D at quesabesde (Spanish website)


> If you can read Spanish, there is a hands-on preview of the K10D at:
>
> http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/pentax-k10d,1_2730
>
> Video at:
>
> http://www.quesabesde.com/camaras-digitales/camaras/pentax-k10d-videos,2204.html

Look at how much trouble the guy has mounting the second smaller lens. 
Thats what they get for buggering with the release button placement and 
removing the lens dit.

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Re: Just shoot me...

2006-09-27 Thread Joseph Tainter
Ann, sorry to hear this. I had similar frustrations with W98SE. I 
finally had to bite the bullet and install XP. It was a colossal 
nuisance, and about 17 months later I am still recovering from it, but I 
am glad that I made the switch. USB port problems are a think of the past.

Joe

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Re: Pop Photo Interview mp3

2006-09-27 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "mike wilson"
Subject: Re: Pop Photo Interview mp3



>> Here's one by Pentax:
>> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=41175&is=REG&addedTroughType=search
>>
>>
>>
> If you look on KMP, as I posted a few days ago, it is listed there 
> under
> the flash systems.  Only transmits trigger and "flash ready" signals.

It is only a PC adaptor after all.

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Re: New lenses from Sigma; Sandisk 4GB SDHC card

2006-09-27 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "P. J. Alling" 
Subject: Re: New lenses from Sigma; Sandisk 4GB SDHC card


> Quote from Adorama news desk
> 
> "...and has non rotating focus ring."
> 
> I wonder what that is exactly...

We used to call them fixed focus lenses or something like that..

William Robb


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Re: K10D etc.: first impressions (from Photokina)

2006-09-27 Thread David S.
Amita Guha wrote:
> Thibouille, how was the build of the K10D? Was it a solid camera with
> a nice-looking finish, or did it look and feel cheap?
> 
> Thanks for your report!
> 
> Amita
> 

I have not seen the body in real life but this page
http://www.pentaxtech.com/Press/pressfiles.html
has links to large images that show good detail of the K10D body.


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Re: Interview w/Pentax exec

2006-09-27 Thread Joseph Tainter
Going to 12MP from 10 will be an even smaller step than going to 8MP
from 6, so they'll have to throw lots of other nice stuff into the
equation :) I'm thinking cast magnesium chassis, higher frame-rate, CF
and SD cards, bluetooth, etc. 

-

This is a puzzle. The K10D is so well spec'd that I don't see what value 
can be added that would warrant spending another $500 to $700 on it at 
retail.

A gold band to match the DA* lenses?

Seriously, what could be added to warrant a substantially higher price?
(Don't suggest sensor. That's too easy, and too speculative.)

I wouldn't pay $500 more for a magnesium chassis or 5fps. And once I've 
stocked up on SD cards, I will no longer be interested in a CF slot.

Thanks for the report, Ken.

Joe

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Just shoot me...

2006-09-27 Thread Ann Sanfedele
NOt with a camera, either

Gotta vent 
on verge of tears

No high speed internet connection for moi

In the process of finding out this DIDN't work with my
computer, 
the Time-warner techie managed to kill my USB port
connections that
I was toggling between printer, scanner and camera and
backup hard drive on one
USB port. but it all worked fine until the cable guy tried
to use that port to hook up the
cable modem. 

fortunately my
keyboard and mouse still work. 

I'm frustrated, scared and angry.  

May or may not be able to get a friend over tomorrow to
assess the situation - meanwhile
I cant do any real work 

IF any of you guys taht are either night owls or on the west
coast and are
really savvy about windoze 98se and port management have any
idea where i should start
to restore the conenctions, I'd be mroe than grateful If I
could talk to you 
over the phone  my non dime of course. (non-dime because my
cell phone is 
really cheap and good)

TIA
ann sad

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Re: leaving soon for Greece

2006-09-27 Thread Amita Guha
On 9/26/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Have fun in Greece!

Thanks! I have decided to check my tripod and ballhead - I don't think
they'll let me bring the 'pod anyway, and it's a small, cheaper one
that will easily fit in my checked baggage.  My carryon is just the
Lowepro Orion Trekker II backpack, which I know will meet any size
restrictions.

I thought I had my kit all decided, but now I'm trying to figure out
if I can make room for the Tamron 90mm. My grip might have to stay at
home after all.

Like you, Nate was thinking about bringing his Canon Pro 1 instead of
his 5D kit, but he knows he'll regret it if he doesn't have a full
kit. He has managed to fill a Lowepro Omni Pro!

Amita

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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)

2006-09-27 Thread David Savage
At 06:36 AM 28/09/2006, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>Scott Loveless wrote:
>
> >On 9/27/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> P. J. Alling wrote:
> >>
> >> >It wasn't delivered under oath in court was it?
> >>
> >> No. He was sitting at my kitchen table and we were talking about
> >> people he knew in school.
> >>
> >Close enough!
>
>In my house I'm judge *and* jury!

...until the Missus get home.

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Re: K10D etc.: first impressions (from Photokina)

2006-09-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
I'm not Thibouille, but I saved his earlier post. Here's an excerpt:

* Weight is defenitely more than D/DS/DL. The grip is extremely well
done (for my morphology). The directional pad is well done (compared
to my D, it is like heaven).

* The impression of quality is there. It feels VERY well done: more  
than my D.

* Speed (remember it didn't write on the card) is very pleasing. Way
beter than D. It looks indeed like it 3.5 fps or about.

* AF is... well it looks the AF module comes from Mars or something.
It doesn't look like Pentax... It is FAST. I tried it with a DA 18-55
so I could compare with my D. There is no point to make a compare. One
is slow as hell the other is VERY fast (for a Pentax camera but I do
not know other brands).
The AF was precise AND fast even at f/5.6. More silent too. Well, I'm
impressed, really.

On Sep 27, 2006, at 9:46 PM, Amita Guha wrote:

> Thibouille, how was the build of the K10D? Was it a solid camera with
> a nice-looking finish, or did it look and feel cheap?
>
> Thanks for your report!
>
> Amita
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Current market share in Japan

2006-09-27 Thread K.Takeshita
http://bcnranking.jp/freepaper/12-00010332.html

Pentax now 16.6%.  They might reach 20% after the launch of k10D, as is
expected.

Ken


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Sigma 70-200 f2.8 DG EX

2006-09-27 Thread Robert and Leigh Woerner
Hello,

Does anybody on the list have one in Pentax mount they want to sell? or 
Tokina 80-200 f2.8 ATX?


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Re: Current market share in Japan

2006-09-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
More good news. An amazing turnaround.
Paul
On Sep 27, 2006, at 9:47 PM, K.Takeshita wrote:

> http://bcnranking.jp/freepaper/12-00010332.html
>
> Pentax now 16.6%.  They might reach 20% after the launch of k10D,  
> as is
> expected.
>
> Ken
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Re: K10D etc.: first impressions (from Photokina)

2006-09-27 Thread Amita Guha
Thibouille, how was the build of the K10D? Was it a solid camera with
a nice-looking finish, or did it look and feel cheap?

Thanks for your report!

Amita

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RE: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists)

2006-09-27 Thread Bill Owens

Before I became ill, I worked part-time in a local Wal-Mart photo lab.  The
pay was decent for part-time, and I carried my insurance from retirement in
the airline industry.  I just received a letter yesterday advising that my
10% discount card would be revoked on October 29, over a year after I went
on medical leave of absence.  Unfortunately, my present condition keeps me
from working, but disability insurance from Uncle makes up the difference.

Bill

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul
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I know several people who work at Wal-Mart "down here." They are all  
very pleased with the work environment, the pay and the benefits.  
It's a pretty good deal for most. From among the big box stores, only  
Costco seems to be as good an employer.
Paul
On Sep 27, 2006, at 9:19 PM, graywolf wrote:

> I kind of think they operate under different laws up there, Bill. The
> one good thing I can say for them down here is they seem to hire a lot
> of marginal people who probably would not be able to get a job
> elsewhere, especially since the college students take all the fast  
> food
> and small store clerk positions in this town.
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>
> William Robb wrote:
>> - Original Message -
>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now  
>> Socialists)
>>
>>
>>> ===
>>> And quite a few others since. Smoke and mirrors -- disinformation  
>>> and
>>> misinformation -- is quite active in the US. Now people who should
>>> support unions,
>>> working people who need them, like underpaid and non-healthcared
>>> Wal-Mart
>>> workers for example, don't. Unions helped improve things for people
>>> for decades, now
>>> they are perceived as evil by many.
>>
>> Don't knock Wal-Mart.
>> They are one of the better retail sector employees.
>> I don't have Wal-Mart USA numbers, but I expect they are similar to
>> Wal-Mart Canada, in that they average about $5000.00/year profit per
>> associate, or somewhere in the range of 35%.
>> They don't have a lot of room to give huge raises out.
>> Wal-mart isn't the evil company that it is fashionable to meake  
>> them out
>> to be.
>> I was a Wa-Mart associate for just short of 9 years, and can't really
>> think of anything bad to say about them.
>>
>> William Robb
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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists)

2006-09-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
I know several people who work at Wal-Mart "down here." They are all  
very pleased with the work environment, the pay and the benefits.  
It's a pretty good deal for most. From among the big box stores, only  
Costco seems to be as good an employer.
Paul
On Sep 27, 2006, at 9:19 PM, graywolf wrote:

> I kind of think they operate under different laws up there, Bill. The
> one good thing I can say for them down here is they seem to hire a lot
> of marginal people who probably would not be able to get a job
> elsewhere, especially since the college students take all the fast  
> food
> and small store clerk positions in this town.
>
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> ---
>
>
> William Robb wrote:
>> - Original Message -
>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now  
>> Socialists)
>>
>>
>>> ===
>>> And quite a few others since. Smoke and mirrors -- disinformation  
>>> and
>>> misinformation -- is quite active in the US. Now people who should
>>> support unions,
>>> working people who need them, like underpaid and non-healthcared
>>> Wal-Mart
>>> workers for example, don't. Unions helped improve things for people
>>> for decades, now
>>> they are perceived as evil by many.
>>
>> Don't knock Wal-Mart.
>> They are one of the better retail sector employees.
>> I don't have Wal-Mart USA numbers, but I expect they are similar to
>> Wal-Mart Canada, in that they average about $5000.00/year profit per
>> associate, or somewhere in the range of 35%.
>> They don't have a lot of room to give huge raises out.
>> Wal-mart isn't the evil company that it is fashionable to meake  
>> them out
>> to be.
>> I was a Wa-Mart associate for just short of 9 years, and can't really
>> think of anything bad to say about them.
>>
>> William Robb
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Interview w/Pentax exec

2006-09-27 Thread Mark Roberts
Paul Stenquist wrote:

>Seriously, if you're sure Pentax can't meet your needs, why not  
>switch now? 

Because then you can't complain as much!
 
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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists)

2006-09-27 Thread graywolf
I kind of think they operate under different laws up there, Bill. The 
one good thing I can say for them down here is they seem to hire a lot 
of marginal people who probably would not be able to get a job 
elsewhere, especially since the college students take all the fast food 
and small store clerk positions in this town.

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William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists)
> 
> 
>> ===
>> And quite a few others since. Smoke and mirrors -- disinformation and
>> misinformation -- is quite active in the US. Now people who should 
>> support unions,
>> working people who need them, like underpaid and non-healthcared 
>> Wal-Mart
>> workers for example, don't. Unions helped improve things for people 
>> for decades, now
>> they are perceived as evil by many.
> 
> Don't knock Wal-Mart.
> They are one of the better retail sector employees.
> I don't have Wal-Mart USA numbers, but I expect they are similar to 
> Wal-Mart Canada, in that they average about $5000.00/year profit per 
> associate, or somewhere in the range of 35%.
> They don't have a lot of room to give huge raises out.
> Wal-mart isn't the evil company that it is fashionable to meake them out 
> to be.
> I was a Wa-Mart associate for just short of 9 years, and can't really 
> think of anything bad to say about them.
> 
> William Robb
> 
> 
> 

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RE: PSE 5.0 IR effect

2006-09-27 Thread Bill Owens

Come to think of it Cory, he isn't even aware of me modeling his house.
Next time I'll wait til evening and shoot the neighbor behind my house.
He's a fantastic person.  He's been cutting and trimming our grass all
summer while I was in hospitals and rehabs, and won't take a cent for it.  I
hope he'll accept my stack of firewood this coming winter.

The IR effect in PSE 5.0 is nothing groundbreaking, but is quite fun to play
with.  

We're going to a high school football game Friday and I hope to get some
decent shots of my son's band.  This is his first full year as a high school
director.  Then, with Phyllis being off for a teacher workday Monday, I plan
on going to GFM and hope the colors are starting to turn near the top.

Hope to post some photos from both venues early next week.

Bill 


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Does the homeowner across the street know you post pictures of his house 
whenever you get something new to shoot/process with?
Good to see that house again, Bill

CW

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> Here is a photo from my front porch, one as shot, the other with PSE 5.0
> infrared effect applied
>
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5005175
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Re: Interview w/Pentax exec

2006-09-27 Thread Paul Stenquist

On Sep 27, 2006, at 8:37 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:

>
> At least we have a better idea of where they are heading now, I know
> it's not aligned with my requirements.

You haven't tried it yet. No one has.

> I suspect the K10D will be the
> last piece of Pentax gear I buy (it will simply tide me over during
> the transition).
>
Seriously, if you're sure Pentax can't meet your needs, why not  
switch now? If you're not going to stick with Pentax, money spent on  
the K10D will be wasted. I can understand someone wanting to go to  
the pro level Canon or Nikon cameras, and in that scenario continuing  
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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now NationalGeographic)

2006-09-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
i know Frank, and the Frank I know doesn't really suck.
Paul
On Sep 27, 2006, at 8:31 PM, graywolf wrote:

> Ya, Frank, reality sucks.
>
> (Sorry somehow it seems like using term like Hoovers, would lose  
> some of
> the impact, besides that would be unfair to Eureka 
>
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>
> frank theriault wrote:
>> On 9/27/06, keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
 On Sep 26, 2006, at 6:56 PM, William Robb wrote:

> The more education one recieves, the more likely one is to  
> aquire a
> socialist bent?
>>>
 The more removed from reality one might be, the more likely one  
 is to
 acquire a socialist bent.
>>> Yes...I like that observation.
>>>
>>
>> I've always had problems with reality...
>>
>> -frank the pinko...
>>
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Re: Interview w/Pentax exec

2006-09-27 Thread Adam Maas
Off-hand it sounds like the D2x Sensor.

-Adam


Paul Stenquist wrote:
> So the flagship will not be full frame. That's fine with me. I've  
> invested quite a bit in DA lenses, and I intend to invest more.
> Paul
> On Sep 27, 2006, at 8:22 PM, K.Takeshita wrote:
> 
>> You will remember in the last year's show in Japan, Mr.Torigoe, the  
>> head
>> honcho of imaging System Div gave an interview regarding the K  
>> mount lens
>> and its future evolution etc.
>> This time, he offer somewhat broader view of their future plan in  
>> Photokina.
>> His interview is obviously peppered with upbeat, positive and very  
>> confident
>> tone, saying that the whole company is now motivated unlike last  
>> Photokina
>> when Pentax were somewhat losing the sight.
>>
>> If I have time, I try to translate this interview (or perhaps  
>> DPReview might
>> do so anyway), but list some snippets here.
>>
>> Q. K series digital is the main line, right?
>> A. K series digital will continue to "high end".
>>
>> Q. Does that mean the MF (645) Digital?
>> A. No.  It is going to be the K mount.  But I wish to pre-empt you.
>> High-end does not necessarily mean FF.  It means we are preparing  
>> to launch
>> a flagship model.
>>
>> Q. Considering the naming pattern, is it going to be K1D?
>> A. It's surely a K series camera.  K1D could be one candidate but  
>> the name
>> may not necessarily be K1D.  I do not want to cause any speculation  
>> here so
>> we want name it here, but it could be any name such as K20D or K30D  
>> etc.
>> But the point is that we will launch more models so that our  
>> customers have
>> a firm upgrade path.
>>
>> Q. K100D is a very popular model but the short supply of lenses is  
>> really a
>> problem.
>> A. Indeed it is, and we are fully aware of it.  Making lenses lead- 
>> free was
>> taking time, and there was a period when Pentax was struggling.
>>
>> Q. Specifically how are you going to increase the lens lineup?
>> A. In the new lens road map, 10 lenses are shown, which will become
>> available in 2007.  However, we know these are too small a number.   
>> We are
>> going to launch far larger number of lenses.  Our origin is optics,  
>> and we
>> are determined to accelerate our lens offering capability now.  We  
>> are in
>> the process of completing such capabilities in response to the  
>> needs by
>> customers.
>>
>> Q. Are there any quantitative targets or goals?
>> A. Sony are said to announce additional 21 lenses.  This is a very  
>> ambitious
>> plan.  However, we wish to do more than they do.  I cannot tell you  
>> any
>> specific target now, but the determination exists and I intend to  
>> proceed
>> with more restructuring to beef up the lens development capability.
>>
>> Q. Collaboration with Tokina?
>> A. It will of course continue.  Important thing is Pentax are  
>> changing.
>> Staff motivation is so high that the traditional top-down  
>> management is now
>> changing into bottoms-up.  We are now talking about the lens dream.
>>
>> Perhaps Coty should buy another hat and prepare to wrestle with a  
>> 500Lb
>> flesh? ;-).
>>
>> Ken
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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now NationalGeographic)

2006-09-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
Bill borrowed a word from Doug.:-)

On Sep 27, 2006, at 8:18 PM, William Robb wrote:

>
> - Original Message -
> From: "keith_w"
> Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now
> NationalGeographic)
>
>
>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> On Sep 26, 2006, at 6:56 PM, William Robb wrote:
>>>

 The more education one recieves, the more likely one is to aquire a
 socialist bent?
>>
>>
>>> The more removed from reality one might be, the more likely one  
>>> is to
>>> acquire a socialist bent.
>>
>> Yes...I like that observation.
>>
>
> I like the jingoism you guys come up with to try to conceal your very
> narrowmindedness.
>
> William Robb
>
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Re: Interview w/Pentax exec

2006-09-27 Thread K.Takeshita
On 9/27/06 8:56 PM, "Shel Belinkoff", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> May even some of what Mr.Torigoe says come true.

I believe whatever he said last time re K-mount evolution are coming true.

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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now NationalGeographic)

2006-09-27 Thread Adam Maas
graywolf wrote:
> Because in the country they tend to be self-employed (micro-businesmen), 
> and in the cities they tend to be employees? Republicans in general do 
> not seem to think anyone who works with their hands should be paid 
> decently or have any rights, and are really ought to be indentured 
> servants if not outright slaves.
> 

I think you need to talk to more Republicans if you think that is the 
case. They tend to think that the labour market (including Unions btw) 
does a better job of ensuring worker's rights and pay than governmental 
fiat. Now that's not universal, but it's definitely a major strain in 
GOP thought.

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Re: Interview w/Pentax exec

2006-09-27 Thread Mark Roberts
K.Takeshita wrote:

>On 9/27/06 8:28 PM, "Paul Stenquist", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> So the flagship will not be full frame.
>
>It's difficult to tell.  He only said that it may not necessarily be an FF.
>But this could be true.

Pentax isn't planning on making a full-frame camera. Neither are they
planning on *not* making a full-frame camera. They're planning on
building cameras with whatever sensors are available and
cost-effective at any given time. When (not if) full-frame sensors
become a commodity item like APS-C sensors are now - or even like they
were two years ago - Pentax will make a camera to use one.

Going to 12MP from 10 will be an even smaller step than going to 8MP
from 6, so they'll have to throw lots of other nice stuff into the
equation :) I'm thinking cast magnesium chassis, higher frame-rate, CF
and SD cards, bluetooth, etc. 

 
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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists)

2006-09-27 Thread graywolf
Well, the unions, or their memberships, have a lot to do with the attitude.

Sometime, somehow, it quit being "all workers should have good pay, 
benefits, and fair treatment"; and became "we need to keep the riff-raff 
out". I grew up in a union family, I have been in unions myself, so I am 
not talking from the outside. When you have bothers on the bench and are 
willing to work overtime because the money means more to you than some 
silly principles, and the business managers have more in common with the 
employers than the workers, it is time for those unions to die.

It would be nice if some folks with principles would start new ones to 
replace them however, collective bargain is not socialism. At least not 
where I grew up.

It always has strikes me funny when some working class stiff, complains 
about unions by claiming those factory workers pay is too high. Talk 
about being propagandized. When I worked scab jobs I always figured that 
it was my pay that was too low.

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 9/26/2006 7:51:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Thank Senator McCarthy for that one.
> 
> William Robb
> ===
> And quite a few others since. Smoke and mirrors -- disinformation and 
> misinformation -- is quite active in the US. Now people who should support 
> unions, 
> working people who need them, like underpaid and non-healthcared Wal-Mart 
> workers for example, don't. Unions helped improve things for people for 
> decades, now 
> they are perceived as evil by many.
> 
> I am constantly amazed at how well things can be twisted by a cunning few.
> 
> Oh, well, this is politics and I do believe this is a camera/photography list.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe 
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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)

2006-09-27 Thread Adam Maas
John Forbes wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:17:33 +0100, Paul Stenquist  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> It wouldn't make him an outcast. It would make him an independent
>> thinker. We need more of those.
> 
> It would make him both - in America.
> 
> Elsewhere, he'd be normal.
> 
> John
> 

Yes, and no. I've had few problems with Americans, and get along quite 
well with most of them, especially in the South.

There's more than a few who have similar takes on things. heck, most of 
the moderate dems or republicans aren't that far off (Apart from my take 
on Socialized medicine, and that's more a case of least worst options 
rather than good idea).

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Re: Interview w/Pentax exec

2006-09-27 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I wonder just how much the alliance with Samsung has helped.  These are,
for Pentax of recent years, ambitious plans, requiring capital as well as
enthusiasm on the part of the executives and employees.  An infusion of $$
can certainly stimulate enthusiasm, as ideas can be brought to reality.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Ken Takeshita

> Some other snippets from japanese site.  Note: these are all
> uncofirmed reports, some are well known, some are probably
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Re: Interview w/Pentax exec

2006-09-27 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Ken,

Thanks for all these "snippets."  While I had my doubts in the past, I'll
certainly stick with Pentax a while longer.  I'm in no rush to upgrade,
and, of course, these  bits of dialogue are only precursors to anything
that may happen.  Still, it's nice to know that the people at Pentax may be
enthusiastic and determined to improve and expand their product line and
their quality.  We shall see what the future brings, but it seems now that
there is a brighter future.  For a few years Pentax was stagnant.  Now the
K100D, and to a greater extent, the K10D, have at least generated lots of
interest and excitement which will, hopefully, manifest in sales to
customers who will be satisfied, and through their satisfaction and
enthusiasm, generate greater possibilities for Pentax.

Allow me to be the first to raise my glass in a toast to the future of
Pentax.  May even some of what Mr.Torigoe says come true. I'm looking
forward, but cautiously and carefully.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Ken Takeshita 

> Some other snippets from japanese site.  Note: these are all
> uncofirmed reports, some are well known, some are probably
> speculation.
>
> 1. Pentax have been developing in-house CMOS.  This 
> was in a press release right safter the announcement of istD.
>
> 2. Tamro0n's SP Macro is on 2 months waiting, mostly due 
> to the success of K100D.
>
> 3, High end K DSLR is 12mp.
>
> 4. New lens factory in Vietnam being built will be compoleted 
> next month.
>
> 5. Firmware update will enable ISO3200 (there was something 
> eolse to mgo with the production firmware but I forgot).
>
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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)

2006-09-27 Thread Bob Shell

On Sep 27, 2006, at 11:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I don't agree with your assessment of what most Democrats would  
> support.

That's because most Democrats don't agree on what most Democrats  
would support.  ;-)

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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)

2006-09-27 Thread Adam Maas
Douglas Newman wrote:
> --- "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Elsewhere, he'd be normal.
> 
> Aren't independence and "normalcy" (as defined by
> society) somewhat mutually exclsuive? "Normal" to me,
> denotes a certain amount of conformity, which is
> opposed to independence.
> 
> --- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'd do fine most anywhere in the
>> Commonwealth though.
> 
> Pakistan? Bangladesh? Jamaica?
> 
> New Doug
> 

Jamaica? Probably. The other two, maybe not (And I wasn't even aware 
that Pakistan had rejoined, but it did a couple years ago). But 
Australia, the UK or New Zealand, assuredly. India, probably, most of 
the other nations, I'd likely do OK in.

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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now NationalGeographic)

2006-09-27 Thread graywolf
Ya, Frank, reality sucks.

(Sorry somehow it seems like using term like Hoovers, would lose some of 
the impact, besides that would be unfair to Eureka 

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frank theriault wrote:
> On 9/27/06, keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> On Sep 26, 2006, at 6:56 PM, William Robb wrote:
>>>
 The more education one recieves, the more likely one is to aquire a
 socialist bent?
>>
>>> The more removed from reality one might be, the more likely one is to
>>> acquire a socialist bent.
>> Yes...I like that observation.
>>
> 
> I've always had problems with reality...
> 
> -frank the pinko...
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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)

2006-09-27 Thread graywolf
That's High Gibberish. Not to be confused with Low Gibberish. Dolla Tor?

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P. J. Alling wrote:
> Apparently Cotty speaks Gibberish...
> 
> Cotty wrote:
> 
>> On 27/9/06, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>  
>>
>>> Det synes jeg vi skal gjøre en dag, på norsk, og legge inn noen ufine  
>>> kommentarer om amerikanske navlebeskuere .-)
>>>
>>>
>> Amerikanerne kunne studere deres egen navels , hvis bare de ville åpen
>> deres øye!
>>
>>  
>>
> 
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Re: Interview w/Pentax exec

2006-09-27 Thread K.Takeshita
On 9/27/06 8:28 PM, "Paul Stenquist", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So the flagship will not be full frame.

It's difficult to tell.  He only said that it may not necessarily be an FF.
But this could be true.  He seems to be talking about the near term upgrade
development, like next 12 months or so.  And his emphasis is on the "upgrade
path".  Besides, FF would still be costly.  So, I am sure K1D or K20D or
whatever he did not want to give a naming hint must be APS size sensor.

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Re: Interview w/Pentax exec

2006-09-27 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 28/09/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So the flagship will not be full frame. That's fine with me. I've
> invested quite a bit in DA lenses, and I intend to invest more.

At least we have a better idea of where they are heading now, I know
it's not aligned with my requirements. I suspect the K10D will be the
last piece of Pentax gear I buy (it will simply tide me over during
the transition).

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Re: Interview w/Pentax exec

2006-09-27 Thread Ken Takeshita
Some other snippets from japanese site.  Note: these are all
uncofirmed reports, some are well known, some are probably
speculation.

1. Pentax have been developing in-house CMOS.  This was in a press
release right safter the announcement of istD.

2. Tamro0n's SP Macro is on 2 months waiting, mostly due to the
success of K100D.

3, High end K DSLR is 12mp.

4. New lens factory in Vietnam being built will be compoleted next month.

5. Firmware update will enable ISO3200 (there was something eolse to
mgo with the production firmware but I forgot).

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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)

2006-09-27 Thread graywolf
Or, making something illegal (or highly taxed) makes it potentially very 
profitable for those who do not abide by the laws of the land (criminals 
in other words). It is also very profitable to all those who pretend to 
enforce such laws (government sanctioned and/or employed criminals?*)

* Ya, I am being a smart ass again.

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William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Douglas Newman"
> Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)
> 
> 
> 
> . Most American politicians don't even
>> support legalizing cannabis for medical/theraputic
>> purposes, let alone full legalization of soft drugs,
>> let alone total drugs legalization. I'm a radical
>> left-winger by US standards and even I don't support
>> it.
> 
> There is a somewhat radical idea that if you decriminalize an activity, 
> the cost to society is actually lower.
> Criminal activity begets criminal activity.
> 
> William Robb
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Interview w/Pentax exec

2006-09-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
So the flagship will not be full frame. That's fine with me. I've  
invested quite a bit in DA lenses, and I intend to invest more.
Paul
On Sep 27, 2006, at 8:22 PM, K.Takeshita wrote:

> You will remember in the last year's show in Japan, Mr.Torigoe, the  
> head
> honcho of imaging System Div gave an interview regarding the K  
> mount lens
> and its future evolution etc.
> This time, he offer somewhat broader view of their future plan in  
> Photokina.
> His interview is obviously peppered with upbeat, positive and very  
> confident
> tone, saying that the whole company is now motivated unlike last  
> Photokina
> when Pentax were somewhat losing the sight.
>
> If I have time, I try to translate this interview (or perhaps  
> DPReview might
> do so anyway), but list some snippets here.
>
> Q. K series digital is the main line, right?
> A. K series digital will continue to "high end".
>
> Q. Does that mean the MF (645) Digital?
> A. No.  It is going to be the K mount.  But I wish to pre-empt you.
> High-end does not necessarily mean FF.  It means we are preparing  
> to launch
> a flagship model.
>
> Q. Considering the naming pattern, is it going to be K1D?
> A. It's surely a K series camera.  K1D could be one candidate but  
> the name
> may not necessarily be K1D.  I do not want to cause any speculation  
> here so
> we want name it here, but it could be any name such as K20D or K30D  
> etc.
> But the point is that we will launch more models so that our  
> customers have
> a firm upgrade path.
>
> Q. K100D is a very popular model but the short supply of lenses is  
> really a
> problem.
> A. Indeed it is, and we are fully aware of it.  Making lenses lead- 
> free was
> taking time, and there was a period when Pentax was struggling.
>
> Q. Specifically how are you going to increase the lens lineup?
> A. In the new lens road map, 10 lenses are shown, which will become
> available in 2007.  However, we know these are too small a number.   
> We are
> going to launch far larger number of lenses.  Our origin is optics,  
> and we
> are determined to accelerate our lens offering capability now.  We  
> are in
> the process of completing such capabilities in response to the  
> needs by
> customers.
>
> Q. Are there any quantitative targets or goals?
> A. Sony are said to announce additional 21 lenses.  This is a very  
> ambitious
> plan.  However, we wish to do more than they do.  I cannot tell you  
> any
> specific target now, but the determination exists and I intend to  
> proceed
> with more restructuring to beef up the lens development capability.
>
> Q. Collaboration with Tokina?
> A. It will of course continue.  Important thing is Pentax are  
> changing.
> Staff motivation is so high that the traditional top-down  
> management is now
> changing into bottoms-up.  We are now talking about the lens dream.
>
> Perhaps Coty should buy another hat and prepare to wrestle with a  
> 500Lb
> flesh? ;-).
>
> Ken
>
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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now Socialists)

2006-09-27 Thread Bob Sullivan
Marnie,
I think that the United Auto Workers were so successful in negotiating
benefits for their membership in the '50's, '60's, and '70's that all
the jobs have moved to cheaper labor markets off shore.  Employment by
the big 3 US auto makers is what? ...10% of what it once was.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 9/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a message dated 9/26/2006 7:51:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Thank Senator McCarthy for that one.
>
> William Robb
> ===
> And quite a few others since. Smoke and mirrors -- disinformation and
> misinformation -- is quite active in the US. Now people who should support 
> unions,
> working people who need them, like underpaid and non-healthcared Wal-Mart
> workers for example, don't. Unions helped improve things for people for 
> decades, now
> they are perceived as evil by many.
>
> I am constantly amazed at how well things can be twisted by a cunning few.
>
> Oh, well, this is politics and I do believe this is a camera/photography list.
>
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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now NationalGeographic)

2006-09-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
Hey, didn't you hear what Doug said :-).
Paul
On Sep 27, 2006, at 8:20 PM, graywolf wrote:

> Because in the country they tend to be self-employed (micro- 
> businesmen),
> and in the cities they tend to be employees? Republicans in general do
> not seem to think anyone who works with their hands should be paid
> decently or have any rights, and are really ought to be indentured
> servants if not outright slaves.
>
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>
> Scott Loveless wrote:
>> On 9/26/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> That's certainly not true in the US. Socialists are almost all
>>> academics or students. The working class socialists are a relic of
>>> the 1930s.
>>> Paul
>>
>> Based on my own admittedly narrow experience, most blue collar folks
>> (myself included) just want to be left alone.  Many have a strong
>> libertarian bent, even though most have nothing to do with the
>> Libertarian party.  In rural areas of the Midwest they tended to vote
>> Republican.  In the cities they'll usually vote Democratic.  Go
>> figure.
>>
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Interview w/Pentax exec

2006-09-27 Thread K.Takeshita
You will remember in the last year's show in Japan, Mr.Torigoe, the head
honcho of imaging System Div gave an interview regarding the K mount lens
and its future evolution etc.
This time, he offer somewhat broader view of their future plan in Photokina.
His interview is obviously peppered with upbeat, positive and very confident
tone, saying that the whole company is now motivated unlike last Photokina
when Pentax were somewhat losing the sight.

If I have time, I try to translate this interview (or perhaps DPReview might
do so anyway), but list some snippets here.

Q. K series digital is the main line, right?
A. K series digital will continue to "high end".

Q. Does that mean the MF (645) Digital?
A. No.  It is going to be the K mount.  But I wish to pre-empt you.
High-end does not necessarily mean FF.  It means we are preparing to launch
a flagship model.

Q. Considering the naming pattern, is it going to be K1D?
A. It's surely a K series camera.  K1D could be one candidate but the name
may not necessarily be K1D.  I do not want to cause any speculation here so
we want name it here, but it could be any name such as K20D or K30D etc.
But the point is that we will launch more models so that our customers have
a firm upgrade path.

Q. K100D is a very popular model but the short supply of lenses is really a
problem.
A. Indeed it is, and we are fully aware of it.  Making lenses lead-free was
taking time, and there was a period when Pentax was struggling.

Q. Specifically how are you going to increase the lens lineup?
A. In the new lens road map, 10 lenses are shown, which will become
available in 2007.  However, we know these are too small a number.  We are
going to launch far larger number of lenses.  Our origin is optics, and we
are determined to accelerate our lens offering capability now.  We are in
the process of completing such capabilities in response to the needs by
customers.

Q. Are there any quantitative targets or goals?
A. Sony are said to announce additional 21 lenses.  This is a very ambitious
plan.  However, we wish to do more than they do.  I cannot tell you any
specific target now, but the determination exists and I intend to proceed
with more restructuring to beef up the lens development capability.

Q. Collaboration with Tokina?
A. It will of course continue.  Important thing is Pentax are changing.
Staff motivation is so high that the traditional top-down management is now
changing into bottoms-up.  We are now talking about the lens dream.

Perhaps Coty should buy another hat and prepare to wrestle with a 500Lb
flesh? ;-).

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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now NationalGeographic)

2006-09-27 Thread graywolf
Because in the country they tend to be self-employed (micro-businesmen), 
and in the cities they tend to be employees? Republicans in general do 
not seem to think anyone who works with their hands should be paid 
decently or have any rights, and are really ought to be indentured 
servants if not outright slaves.

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Scott Loveless wrote:
> On 9/26/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> That's certainly not true in the US. Socialists are almost all
>> academics or students. The working class socialists are a relic of
>> the 1930s.
>> Paul
> 
> Based on my own admittedly narrow experience, most blue collar folks
> (myself included) just want to be left alone.  Many have a strong
> libertarian bent, even though most have nothing to do with the
> Libertarian party.  In rural areas of the Midwest they tended to vote
> Republican.  In the cities they'll usually vote Democratic.  Go
> figure.
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Re: Backfocus

2006-09-27 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Lesser" <
Subject: Backfocus


> Hi All:
>
> Do/did others have backfocus trouble with the *istD when it was new,
> and is/was there a fix?
>

I didn't, at least not that I've noticed. My istD was one of the first 
ones sold in Canada, I am sure.

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Re: Peso: Porto Venere Morning

2006-09-27 Thread cbwaters

+1
 

> Joseph Tainter wrote:
>> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2983/display/6771138
>> 
> 
From: "Christian"
> You suck.  

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Re: PSE 5.0 IR effect

2006-09-27 Thread cbwaters
Does the homeowner across the street know you post pictures of his house 
whenever you get something new to shoot/process with?
Good to see that house again, Bill

CW

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Subject: PSE 5.0 IR effect


> Here is a photo from my front porch, one as shot, the other with PSE 5.0
> infrared effect applied
>
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5005175
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> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5005211
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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now NationalGeographic)

2006-09-27 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "keith_w"
Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now 
NationalGeographic)


> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> On Sep 26, 2006, at 6:56 PM, William Robb wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The more education one recieves, the more likely one is to aquire a
>>> socialist bent?
>
>
>> The more removed from reality one might be, the more likely one is to
>> acquire a socialist bent.
>
> Yes...I like that observation.
>

I like the jingoism you guys come up with to try to conceal your very 
narrowmindedness.

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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)

2006-09-27 Thread Doug Brewer
you know, the parade of ignorance displayed in this family of threads  
has been nothing short of appalling.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves for letting your stupid,  
jingoistic nonsense escape your fingers.

sincerely,

doug

On Sep 27, 2006, at 5:36 PM, John Forbes wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:17:33 +0100, Paul Stenquist
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> It wouldn't make him an outcast. It would make him an independent
>> thinker. We need more of those.
>
> It would make him both - in America.
>
> Elsewhere, he'd be normal.
>
> John
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Re: still trying

2006-09-27 Thread cbwaters
Well, Spam or not, I've received messages all day.  Woo Hoo!
Thought you could get rid of me that easily, did you?

CW

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Re: New lenses from Sigma; Sandisk 4GB SDHC card

2006-09-27 Thread Gonz


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Digital Image Studio wrote:
> 
> 
>>On 28/09/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hey Roman,
>>>
>>>You're a nice guy I'm sure. You actually read the list at all? You work
>>>for Adorama by any chance?
>>
>>The nice thing about Romans posts is that if you did miss something
>>interesting you know it'll pop up again a few days later in one of his
>>posts :-)
>>
>>Sorry Roman, but you do seem to be the bringer of old new with
>>impressive consistency.
> 
> 
> He does seem to regard the list as a "write only" medium!
>  

I guess that would be the direct opposite of a lurker, which would 
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Re: CompatFlash v4.0

2006-09-27 Thread Douglas Newman
--- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<< Within 1 major revision of the OS for software (So 
Windows XP and 2000 would be modern, OS X 10.4 and
10.3 for Mac's). >>

This is somewhat unfair as Windows 2000 is much older
than OS X 10.3. Actually, so is Windows XP!

<< Hardware which is capable of running that at
acceptable speeds for hardware (1GHz+ these days, with
256MB or more of RAM). >>

Running Windows XP or OS X with 256 MB of RAM is not
pretty.

And MHz is very misleading. Processor family is much
more important.

If you go by "reasonably able to run the latest OS", I
guess this would be PIII or higher for Windows, G3 or
higher for Mac, with at least 512 MB of RAM.

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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)

2006-09-27 Thread Adam Maas
Nah, I don't think there's anywhere that would stone me. There are a 
couple places that I'd risk having my head taken off with a machete on 
video tape if I made free with my personal beliefs.

-Adam

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Not quite. In some countries he'd be stoned to death.
> Paul
> On Sep 27, 2006, at 5:36 PM, John Forbes wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:17:33 +0100, Paul Stenquist
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> It wouldn't make him an outcast. It would make him an independent
>>> thinker. We need more of those.
>> It would make him both - in America.
>>
>> Elsewhere, he'd be normal.
>>
>> John
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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)

2006-09-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
Not quite. In some countries he'd be stoned to death.
Paul
On Sep 27, 2006, at 5:36 PM, John Forbes wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:17:33 +0100, Paul Stenquist
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> It wouldn't make him an outcast. It would make him an independent
>> thinker. We need more of those.
>
> It would make him both - in America.
>
> Elsewhere, he'd be normal.
>
> John
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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)

2006-09-27 Thread Mark Roberts
Cotty wrote:

>On 27/9/06, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Apparently Cotty speaks Gibberish...
>>
>>Cotty wrote:
>>
>>>On 27/9/06, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
Det synes jeg vi skal gjøre en dag, på norsk, og legge inn noen ufine  
kommentarer om amerikanske navlebeskuere .-)
>>>
>>>Amerikanerne kunne studere deres egen navels , hvis bare de ville åpen
>>>deres øye!
>
>Case proven.

Aha! Not only does he speak gibberish, he *understands* it, too!
 
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Re: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)

2006-09-27 Thread Douglas Newman
--- "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Elsewhere, he'd be normal.

Aren't independence and "normalcy" (as defined by
society) somewhat mutually exclsuive? "Normal" to me,
denotes a certain amount of conformity, which is
opposed to independence.

--- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd do fine most anywhere in the
> Commonwealth though.

Pakistan? Bangladesh? Jamaica?

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Re: New lenses from Sigma; Sandisk 4GB SDHC card

2006-09-27 Thread Mark Roberts
Digital Image Studio wrote:

>On 28/09/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hey Roman,
>>
>> You're a nice guy I'm sure. You actually read the list at all? You work
>> for Adorama by any chance?
>
>The nice thing about Romans posts is that if you did miss something
>interesting you know it'll pop up again a few days later in one of his
>posts :-)
>
>Sorry Roman, but you do seem to be the bringer of old new with
>impressive consistency.

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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)

2006-09-27 Thread Cotty
On 27/9/06, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Apparently Cotty speaks Gibberish...
>
>Cotty wrote:
>
>>On 27/9/06, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Det synes jeg vi skal gjøre en dag, på norsk, og legge inn noen ufine  
>>>kommentarer om amerikanske navlebeskuere .-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Amerikanerne kunne studere deres egen navels , hvis bare de ville åpen
>>deres øye!

Case proven.

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Re: New lenses from Sigma; Sandisk 4GB SDHC card

2006-09-27 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 28/09/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey Roman,
>
> You're a nice guy I'm sure. You actually read the list at all? You work
> for Adorama by any chance?

The nice thing about Romans posts is that if you did miss something
interesting you know it'll pop up again a few days later in one of his
posts :-)

Sorry Roman, but you do seem to be the bringer of old new with
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Re: OT, I'm going for a beer now

2006-09-27 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Or learn something - a much better thing, IMO

Shel



> [Original Message]

> In the meantime, why not get yourself employed by MrTwatface as a 
> shooter.  At the very least, you might be able to muck up his operation. 



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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)

2006-09-27 Thread P. J. Alling
...and franik understands it!

frank theriault wrote:

>On 9/27/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Amerikanerne kunne studere deres egen navels , hvis bare de ville åpen
>>deres øye!
>>
>>
>>
>
>Oy!
>
>-knarf
>
>
>  
>


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RE: Peso: Porto Venere Morning

2006-09-27 Thread Tom C
NICE!



Tom C.


>From: Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:08:09 -0700
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>http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2983/display/6771138
>
>Taken from our hotel room.
>
>Tough place to attend a conference. Someone has to do it, etc.
>
>The organizers have actually paid for my travel, hotel, and (wonderful)
>meals twice to come to this place. Someone appreciates me.
>
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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)

2006-09-27 Thread Mark Roberts
P. J. Alling wrote:

>If beer was involved I'd be even more skeptical.

No beer. Please stop intimating that my friend is a liar.
 
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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)

2006-09-27 Thread P. J. Alling
If beer was involved I'd be even more skeptical.

Mark Roberts wrote:

>P. J. Alling wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I wouldn't call the person who told you the story a liar, but a certain 
>>amount of embellishment is often the case.  Sometimes to the extent that 
>>the original story is changed beyond recognition, or entirely made up.  
>>I've been told first person accounts of a Vietnam War story by two 
>>different people.  The stories were nearly identical.  They both 
>>couldn't be the same person, could they?  Most probably they heard a 
>>good story and passed it on with themselves as the protagonist.  I'm not 
>>saying thats the case here, but I'd take the story with a grain of salt 
>>until I have independent confirmation.  It wasn't delivered under oath 
>>in court was it?
>>
>>
>
>No. He was sitting at my kitchen table and we were talking about
>people he knew in school.
> 
>  
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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)

2006-09-27 Thread P. J. Alling
Where the hells a brickbat when I need one.

Bob W wrote:

>Wanting to legalize all drugs is not really a left/right thing. It
>tends to be more of a liberal/authoritarian thing, or even just
>pragmatism. I'm in favour of legalizing drug use and supply under
>strict licence - an opinion I share with a lot of people whose other
>opinions I am diametrically opposed to. 
>
>Taking J S Mill's liberalism as a starting point (as I do) can lead to
>some very different opinions, from what I consider very right wing
>conservatism, to what they consider very left-wing socialism. I'm at
>the sweet spot somewhere between, as you've probably all noticed from
>the fact that I'm always right about everything. :o)
>
>--
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> Bob 
>
>  
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
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>>Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now
>>
>>
>politics)
>  
>
>>P. J. Alling wrote:
>> > One of the more well known advocates of total decriminalizing
>>
>>
>most
>  
>
>> > currently illegal drugs is William F. Buckley, I think he'd be
>>
>>
>very
>  
>
>> > surprised to be considered a left winger.
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>>as William 
>>F. Buckley's son, from whom he purchased his first ever hit 
>>of LSD. Like 
>>father, like son :)
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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)

2006-09-27 Thread P. J. Alling
Apparently Cotty speaks Gibberish...

Cotty wrote:

>On 27/9/06, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>  
>
>>Det synes jeg vi skal gjøre en dag, på norsk, og legge inn noen ufine  
>>kommentarer om amerikanske navlebeskuere .-)
>>
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>
>Amerikanerne kunne studere deres egen navels , hvis bare de ville åpen
>deres øye!
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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)

2006-09-27 Thread Mark Roberts
Scott Loveless wrote:

>On 9/27/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> P. J. Alling wrote:
>>
>> >It wasn't delivered under oath in court was it?
>>
>> No. He was sitting at my kitchen table and we were talking about
>> people he knew in school.
>>
>Close enough!

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Re: K10D/GX-10 DNG file here (link) +JPEG

2006-09-27 Thread Lawrence Kwan
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006, Adam Maas wrote:
>> http://users.skynet.be/thibouille/SG12.DNG
>> http://users.skynet.be/thibouille/SG12.JPG
> Looking very good for such early firmware. Bit of CA, almost no bloom.

Actually, this looks infinitely better than the 0.2 firmware K10D shots 
leaked in Pentax Canada web page, albeit they were using higher ISO.


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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now NationalGeographic)

2006-09-27 Thread P. J. Alling
You have your own reality, I'd like to think it's pleasant there...

frank theriault wrote:

>On 9/27/06, keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
>>Paul Stenquist wrote:
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>>>On Sep 26, 2006, at 6:56 PM, William Robb wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
The more education one recieves, the more likely one is to aquire a
socialist bent?


>>
>>
>>>The more removed from reality one might be, the more likely one is to
>>>acquire a socialist bent.
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>>>
>>Yes...I like that observation.
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>I've always had problems with reality...
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>-frank the pinko...
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Re: Pop Photo Interview mp3

2006-09-27 Thread Lawrence Kwan
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006, mike wilson wrote:
> Lawrence Kwan wrote:
>>> He also claims Pentax has a PC sync adapter in its portfolio. Which
>>> adapter?
>> Here's one by Pentax:
>> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=41175&is=REG&addedTroughType=search
> If you look on KMP, as I posted a few days ago, it is listed there under
> the flash systems.  Only transmits trigger and "flash ready" signals.

But I thought the purpose was a PC sync adapter.  You won't get any form 
of dedication features in using PC sync flash anyways.  Someone was asking 
whether Pentax makes a PC sync adapter (other than those dedicated 4P and 
5P ones), and the answer is yes.


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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now politics)

2006-09-27 Thread Scott Loveless
On 9/27/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> P. J. Alling wrote:
>
> >It wasn't delivered under oath in court was it?
>
> No. He was sitting at my kitchen table and we were talking about
> people he knew in school.
>
Close enough!

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