Re: Running in the rain...

2007-02-13 Thread ann sanfedele
Boris - very nice -
Have you been hanging out with Frank?

ann

p.s.
seriously -- you have grown so much as a photographer in the past year, 
it seems to me...
or maybe you are just shooting more of the kind of stuff I like :)

ann

Boris Liberman wrote:

I feel like shooting. This is another of my semi-test shots made with FA 
80-320 lens.

http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=16661full=1

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Re: Photo Challenge: Moon, Jupiter and Antares

2007-02-13 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis

What happened with this?

Kostas

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail) wrote:

 Hello,

 Some of you may have noticed my latest GESO, about a nice conjunction
 between the thin moon crescent and the planet Venus last Saturday (GESO
 visible here):
 http://www.lacouture.nom.fr/gallery/v/geso/2007-01-20-LuneVenusMarseille/
 http://tinyurl.com/24bg2d

 Unfortunately, I forgot to post a notice on the list beforehand, and
 only David Savage and I shared images of this event (Dave's images here):

 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/GESO/GESO_013/pages/_IGP0846.htm
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/GESO/GESO_013/pages/_IGP0855.htm


 For people here that are interested in doing this kind of photos, I
 propose another similar challenge:

 On next February 12, the now growing moon will then be a very thin
 crescent again, closing to the sun. At this very day, it will cruise
 near the very bright planet Jupiter and the bright start Antares, in the
 Scorpion constellation.

 The trio will raise at the east (as usual), shortly before the sun,
 wherever you live.

 There are two challenges here:
 - doing a nice composition, of general photographic interest, and not
 only a pure astronomical documentary photograph, that would please
 only astronomers.
 - getting up at this time of the morning (and of the year in northern
 countries)

 I will do my best to produce something, and I invite enthusiasts to join me.

 To get an idea of what to expect, I did a simulation with the great
 software Stellarium, visible here:

 http://www.lacouture.nom.fr/gallery/v/divers/2007-02-12-MJA/2007-02-12-Moon-Jupiter-Antares-crop.jpg.html
 http://tinyurl.com/ytmx8k

 This simulation is for Marseilles, France, but the configuration should
 be similar wherever you live in the northern hemisphere. The moon
 inclination will vary according to your latitude, and will be reversed
 in the southern hemisphere, but you get the idea. FYI, my shot of last
 saturday with the longest focal was approx 125mm.

 This is not really a synchronicity project, as everyone must take the
 picture before dawn wherever (s)he lives, before the moon and the rest
 disappear into the sun's light.

 If the number of participants is enough, I'll probably set up a gallery
 somewhere to host the images.

 If this bothers you, sorry for that, otherwise, enjoy!

 Patrice

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Re: PESO - Contemplating

2007-02-13 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/12/2007 11:34:18 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hello  Godfrey,

Based on your comments I tried a little different  direction.  Let me
know what you think.

New  rendering:
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4298a.htm

Original:
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4298.htm

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Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens

2007-02-13 Thread Thibouille
mmm I wouldn't be against a couple K myself :)
Only own the K30/2.8 which I userarely but love .

2007/2/13, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Sorry I cant help you out on that one, ( Just got
 my own personal K28/2 sample a few months ago). I have a similar
 goal, I am now collecting the entire K series lenses
 to go along with my entire SMCT lens series. A few Ms
 and As too, but not collecting those series. I bet
 collecting the entire A series would be a real challange though.

 Speaking of the SMCTs, if somebody ever makes a hi-rez M42 FF DSLR, I
 will
 be in hog heaven. So far I am seeing really good results with the few I
 tried
 so far casually on the istDS.

 jco

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 Jim King
 Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:32 PM
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: WTB: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens


 As many of you know, I'm a collector as well as a user of Pentax
 lenses.  I need a copy of this lens to help me reach my goal of
 owning all of the Pentax K-mount 28mm lenses.  If anyone here has a
 copy which they would be willing to sell me I'd be very grateful.
 Please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] - thanks!

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Re: Photo Challenge: Moon, Jupiter and Antares

2007-02-13 Thread Brian Walters
There's been a few posts on this in the last day or so.  Most of us seem to 
have been clouded out.  


Cheers

Brian

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Quoting Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 
 What happened with this?
 
 Kostas
 
 On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail) wrote:
 
  Hello,
 
  Some of you may have noticed my latest GESO, about a nice
 conjunction
  between the thin moon crescent and the planet Venus last Saturday
 (GESO
  visible here):
 
 http://www.lacouture.nom.fr/gallery/v/geso/2007-01-20-LuneVenusMarseille/
  http://tinyurl.com/24bg2d
 
  Unfortunately, I forgot to post a notice on the list beforehand,
 and
  only David Savage and I shared images of this event (Dave's
 images here):
 
 
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/GESO/GESO_013/pages/_IGP0846.htm
 
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/GESO/GESO_013/pages/_IGP0855.htm
 
 
  For people here that are interested in doing this kind of photos,
 I
  propose another similar challenge:
 
  On next February 12, the now growing moon will then be a very
 thin
  crescent again, closing to the sun. At this very day, it will
 cruise
  near the very bright planet Jupiter and the bright start Antares,
 in the
  Scorpion constellation.
 
  The trio will raise at the east (as usual), shortly before the
 sun,
  wherever you live.
 
  There are two challenges here:
  - doing a nice composition, of general photographic interest, and
 not
  only a pure astronomical documentary photograph, that would
 please
  only astronomers.
  - getting up at this time of the morning (and of the year in
 northern
  countries)
 
  I will do my best to produce something, and I invite enthusiasts
 to join me.
 
  To get an idea of what to expect, I did a simulation with the
 great
  software Stellarium, visible here:
 
 
 http://www.lacouture.nom.fr/gallery/v/divers/2007-02-12-MJA/2007-02-12-Moon-Jupiter-Antares-crop.jpg.html
  http://tinyurl.com/ytmx8k
 
  This simulation is for Marseilles, France, but the configuration
 should
  be similar wherever you live in the northern hemisphere. The
 moon
  inclination will vary according to your latitude, and will be
 reversed
  in the southern hemisphere, but you get the idea. FYI, my shot of
 last
  saturday with the longest focal was approx 125mm.
 
  This is not really a synchronicity project, as everyone must
 take the
  picture before dawn wherever (s)he lives, before the moon and the
 rest
  disappear into the sun's light.
 
  If the number of participants is enough, I'll probably set up a
 gallery
  somewhere to host the images.
 
  If this bothers you, sorry for that, otherwise, enjoy!
 
  Patrice
 
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Re: PESO - Inversion

2007-02-13 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/12/2007 2:50:03 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Driving down the dirt road  this morning, I rounded a corner and came on this 
 
view.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5588182size=lg

Tom  C.


=
Oh, that is really nice. I like it a lot. Really  nice.

You've been showing a lot of good shots lately.

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Experience with cheap batteries (np400 in mind)

2007-02-13 Thread Thibouille
Whereever I look in shops I find np400 for €40-50 most of the time.
Those are rated 1400-1600mAH.

Of course on Ebay I can find 2000mAH (!?) for €15. Now, any experience
with those cheap batteries? Maybe batteries from known-brands like
Uniross/Memorex should be better? I find the Pentax branded one to be
really too expensive.
A site like aboutbatteries.com is any good ?

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Re: PESO: Old fence line revisited (if you get this post twice I am sorry)

2007-02-13 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/12/2007 2:41:40 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you got this post  twice I am sorry.  I posted it early this morning and 
it never showed  up in my inbox or my outbox.
Sandy


Definitely better.  I think you can keep exploring it, though, too. It's a 
good  subject.

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PESO - Sedona

2007-02-13 Thread Eactivist

More big rocks, Sedona-style (Arizona). This  may have the grandeur the 
earlier El Capitan (#1)  lacked.


http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/sedona.htm


Just  a travel shot, really. Clouds might be a bit overexposed. Never sure 
how to do  that.

Comments welcome.

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Re: PAW 2007 - 06 - GDG

2007-02-13 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/12/2007 10:36:45 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I was at the Frankel Gallery  in SF last week and spent an hour or so  
admiring the work of Hiroshi  Sugimoto's show, Colors of Shadow. I  
found the photos extremely  beautiful and serene.

This week's PAW is a bald faced attempt to emulate  the style. ;-)

http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/06.htm

Comments, critique and  the inevitable tomatoes are all  welcome.

enjoy,
Godfrey

=
I get what you going  for, but it doesn't ring my chimes. I find it too 
symmetrical, and I think it  needs something more than the shiny cup on top, 
that 
one can barely see, as a  center of interest.

Uh, can I be that honest?

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Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens

2007-02-13 Thread Thibouille
Do you all K-serie fan did try the 30/2.8? I find it I lovely lens but
as it is the only K I have, I dunno about a comparison to K28 / K35.

2007/2/13, John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  I really like the K series lenses
  and so far they seem excellent on digital APS too.
  My very latest aquisition K was the K120mm F2.8 (not the doggy poo
  M version!) and it's freakin smokin' sharp! (should be, its an exact
  copy of the superb K105/2.8 but scaled up). It took me years to find
  that sucker! The K series lenses are much rarer than
  the SMCTs, thats for sure. They are fun to collect and use.

 I'm a big fan of the K series myself. I love the build quality and precision,
 never had any SMCT lenses but I believe they're great. Currently have K
 18/3.5, 24/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2, 50/1.2, 135/2.5(x2), 200/4 and 300/4. I'd
 really like a K85/1.8 (I've got M85/2) and a K200/2.5 and yes K28/2. I'm
 debating whether to part with one K135/2.5 to fund an ultra-wide for the
 K10D, but if anyone fancies a swap K135/2.5 (mint) for K85/1.8 (similar
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RE: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens

2007-02-13 Thread John Whittingham
 I really like the K series lenses
 and so far they seem excellent on digital APS too.
 My very latest aquisition K was the K120mm F2.8 (not the doggy poo
 M version!) and it's freakin smokin' sharp! (should be, its an exact
 copy of the superb K105/2.8 but scaled up). It took me years to find
 that sucker! The K series lenses are much rarer than
 the SMCTs, thats for sure. They are fun to collect and use.

I'm a big fan of the K series myself. I love the build quality and precision, 
never had any SMCT lenses but I believe they're great. Currently have K 
18/3.5, 24/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2, 50/1.2, 135/2.5(x2), 200/4 and 300/4. I'd 
really like a K85/1.8 (I've got M85/2) and a K200/2.5 and yes K28/2. I'm 
debating whether to part with one K135/2.5 to fund an ultra-wide for the 
K10D, but if anyone fancies a swap K135/2.5 (mint) for K85/1.8 (similar 
condition) let me know.

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Re: SV: Better K10D exposure-tests (Was:*ist-Ds Vs. K10D image quality?)

2007-02-13 Thread John Whittingham
 Personally, I've tried several different sets of ACR calibrations 
 for  the *ist DS and K10D that people have posted here and elsewhere 
 ...  and all of them produced results as default starting points for 
 color  balance that were farther off the mark than just opening the 
 DNG file  and setting white balance with the eyedropper tool. 
 Lightroom's white  balance adjustment works even better.

It's great when you have a definitive reference for white, but caused me no 
end of trouble with my recent Cormorant cock-up 8) 

Eventually selecting as shot for the starting point, some of the other 
default settings seem way off the mark, such as daylight, cloudy 
and shade!!!?

The eyedropper in Capture One Pro seems to do a better job, but no support 
for K10D yet, I'm saving my one free upgrade for that :)

On the flip side, Capture One has a real dogs dinner of a GUI but I guess 
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Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens

2007-02-13 Thread John Whittingham
Hi Thibouille

 Do you all K-serie fan did try the 30/2.8? I find it I lovely lens 
 but as it is the only K I have, I dunno about a comparison to K28 / K35.

I've never had the pleasure so can't comment, but it has a stellar reputation.
Despite being a big K fan I find my most used lenses these days are FA 35/2, 
50/1.4 and 135/2.8 until I need something longer like 300mm. I keep meaning 
to try FA28/2.8 on digital but haven't had chance yet, Godfrey gave it 
serious recommendation. The FA135/2.8 is usable wide open on digital, at 
least the sample I have, I was stunned when I saw the results at f/2.8!

Regards,

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Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens

2007-02-13 Thread Thibouille
Mm I have the F28 which is quite not as good as the FA28 if I remember
well, the FA50 of course abd I wanted the FA135 for long but seeing
the price I could get, the 135 will waiting a lot I think :(

I will try my K30 on my K10D soon enough.

2007/2/13, John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi Thibouille

  Do you all K-serie fan did try the 30/2.8? I find it I lovely lens
  but as it is the only K I have, I dunno about a comparison to K28 / K35.

 I've never had the pleasure so can't comment, but it has a stellar reputation.
 Despite being a big K fan I find my most used lenses these days are FA 35/2,
 50/1.4 and 135/2.8 until I need something longer like 300mm. I keep meaning
 to try FA28/2.8 on digital but haven't had chance yet, Godfrey gave it
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Re: Experience with cheap batteries (np400 in mind)

2007-02-13 Thread Boris Liberman
Consider this (bit of anecdotal evidence). I bought the LaCrosse
BC-900 battery charger that came with extra set of AA batteries. The
batteries were rated at 2300 mAH. They were of some obscure brand
name, not LaCrosse of course. No matter how I tried I couldn't charge
them past 1200 mAH and the same moment I would start the
discharge/charge cycle, the voltage would drop rapidly. Eventually I
just threw them away.

My humble, honest, and brutal suggestion is that you spend proper
money on proper battery so that it will not let you down when you
least expect it.

Cheers.

On 2/13/07, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Whereever I look in shops I find np400 for €40-50 most of the time.
 Those are rated 1400-1600mAH.

 Of course on Ebay I can find 2000mAH (!?) for €15. Now, any experience
 with those cheap batteries? Maybe batteries from known-brands like
 Uniross/Memorex should be better? I find the Pentax branded one to be
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Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens

2007-02-13 Thread John Whittingham
 I will try my K30 on my K10D soon enough.

I'm sure you will enjoy it, it's seems a good focal length for digital. One 
day I'll go out with a bag of K's and try them, never seem to have enough 
time in life :(

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Re: PAW 2007 - 06 - GDG

2007-02-13 Thread Paul Stenquist
Close. I find it intriguing and well rendered. I wonder if it wouldn't 
be better with most of the left door and much of the empt area at top 
cropped out. That would bring the shadow play more center stage, so to 
speak.
Paul

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 I was at the Frankel Gallery  in SF last week and spent an hour or so
 admiring the work of Hiroshi  Sugimoto's show, Colors of Shadow. I
 found the photos extremely  beautiful and serene.

 This week's PAW is a bald faced attempt to emulate  the style. ;-)

 http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/06.htm

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Re: PESO - Sedona

2007-02-13 Thread Paul Stenquist
Nice shot. Well composed. Highly saturated, but it works well here.
Paul
On Feb 13, 2007, at 4:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 More big rocks, Sedona-style (Arizona). This  may have the grandeur the
 earlier El Capitan (#1)  lacked.


 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/sedona.htm


 Just  a travel shot, really. Clouds might be a bit overexposed. Never 
 sure
 how to do  that.

 Comments welcome.

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Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens

2007-02-13 Thread Thibouille
Yes I suffer the same disease ;)
I only hope K10 won't give me too much exposure problems with my K/M lenses.

2007/2/13, John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  I will try my K30 on my K10D soon enough.

 I'm sure you will enjoy it, it's seems a good focal length for digital. One
 day I'll go out with a bag of K's and try them, never seem to have enough
 time in life :(

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Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens

2007-02-13 Thread John Whittingham
 Yes I suffer the same disease ;)

I keep thinking it's an age thing, or maybe life overtook me 8)

 I only hope K10 won't give me too much exposure problems with my K/M 
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I hope not, don't mention *that* button 8)

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Re: SV: Better K10D exposure-tests (Was:*ist-Ds Vs. K10D image quality?)

2007-02-13 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 13/02/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm with Godders on this one. What's more, the ideal color
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Re: SV: Better K10D exposure-tests (Was:*ist-Ds Vs. K10D image quality?)

2007-02-13 Thread Paul Stenquist
That makes sense. In any case, I do intend to try the calibration. I 
bookmarked your reference page.
Paul
On Feb 13, 2007, at 7:01 AM, Digital Image Studio wrote:

 On 13/02/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm with Godders on this one. What's more, the ideal color
 temperature varies depending on the situation, IMO. For example, when
 I shot wedding reception pics in a somewhat dark restaurant with
 tungsten lighting, I chose to keep the look warm. When I shot ice-
 storm pics, I went for a cold, slightly bluish cast. The tonality is
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Re: PESO - Sedona

2007-02-13 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/13/2007 3:12:05 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nice shot. Well  composed. Highly saturated, but it works well  here.
Paul

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OT Another petition

2007-02-13 Thread mike wilson
I'm not a transport lobby shill and here's the proof.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/6354103.stm

Vote early, vote often.

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Re: PESO: Old fence line revisited (if you get this post twice I am sorry)

2007-02-13 Thread David J Brooks
I can see some improvment as far as shot angles etc, but the focus
points seem a bit off from were i might do it.The last example the
focus seems to the right and left of the post, were i thing a more
central focal point might work better.

Good work though. I like old fences to.

Daver Brooks

On 2/12/07, Sandra Hermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 About a year ago, I took pictures of an old fence line.
 http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/698154/display/4819298 and
 http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/698154/display/4835920

 Sat. I took the advice you all had given me, and went back to revisit the
 old fence line.  I think the lighting was so much better.   I think overall
 I did take a better picture. What do you all think?
 http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/698154/display/7948903

 I also visited a Veterans Cemetary where my grandfather is.  I posted some
 of the pictures I took there on my blog.   IF you are interested please take
 a look.

 http://blubicon.blogspot.com/

 If you got this post twice I am sorry.  I posted it early this morning and
 it never showed up in my inbox or my outbox.
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Re: Photo Challenge: Moon, Jupiter and Antares

2007-02-13 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Kostas Kavoussanakis 
Subject: Re: Photo Challenge: Moon, Jupiter and Antares


 
 What happened with this?
 

Clouds.

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Re: Enablement

2007-02-13 Thread David J Brooks
I'll be interested in your slave triggers.

I foud a course in the spring for studio lighting at a college in
Barrie Ontario, so these things may come in handy later this year.

Dave

On 2/12/07, Micah B. Kleit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just got my DA 12-24 f/4 and a second AF360 flash, along with 4gb
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 looking forward to trying out this lens.

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Re: Photo Challenge: Moon, Jupiter and Antares

2007-02-13 Thread David Savage
On 2/13/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: Kostas Kavoussanakis
 Subject: Re: Photo Challenge: Moon, Jupiter and Antares


 
  What happened with this?
 

 Clouds.

Sleep.

Cheers,

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Re: Photo Challenge: Moon, Jupiter and Antares

2007-02-13 Thread P. J. Alling
Overcast, I went back to sleep.

Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
 What happened with this?

 Kostas

 On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail) wrote:

   
 Hello,

 Some of you may have noticed my latest GESO, about a nice conjunction
 between the thin moon crescent and the planet Venus last Saturday (GESO
 visible here):
 http://www.lacouture.nom.fr/gallery/v/geso/2007-01-20-LuneVenusMarseille/
 http://tinyurl.com/24bg2d

 Unfortunately, I forgot to post a notice on the list beforehand, and
 only David Savage and I shared images of this event (Dave's images here):

 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/GESO/GESO_013/pages/_IGP0846.htm
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/GESO/GESO_013/pages/_IGP0855.htm


 For people here that are interested in doing this kind of photos, I
 propose another similar challenge:

 On next February 12, the now growing moon will then be a very thin
 crescent again, closing to the sun. At this very day, it will cruise
 near the very bright planet Jupiter and the bright start Antares, in the
 Scorpion constellation.

 The trio will raise at the east (as usual), shortly before the sun,
 wherever you live.

 There are two challenges here:
 - doing a nice composition, of general photographic interest, and not
 only a pure astronomical documentary photograph, that would please
 only astronomers.
 - getting up at this time of the morning (and of the year in northern
 countries)

 I will do my best to produce something, and I invite enthusiasts to join me.

 To get an idea of what to expect, I did a simulation with the great
 software Stellarium, visible here:

 http://www.lacouture.nom.fr/gallery/v/divers/2007-02-12-MJA/2007-02-12-Moon-Jupiter-Antares-crop.jpg.html
 http://tinyurl.com/ytmx8k

 This simulation is for Marseilles, France, but the configuration should
 be similar wherever you live in the northern hemisphere. The moon
 inclination will vary according to your latitude, and will be reversed
 in the southern hemisphere, but you get the idea. FYI, my shot of last
 saturday with the longest focal was approx 125mm.

 This is not really a synchronicity project, as everyone must take the
 picture before dawn wherever (s)he lives, before the moon and the rest
 disappear into the sun's light.

 If the number of participants is enough, I'll probably set up a gallery
 somewhere to host the images.

 If this bothers you, sorry for that, otherwise, enjoy!

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PESO -- Order Up

2007-02-13 Thread P. J. Alling
Not the best technical shot I've ever made, but it grew on me, so I 
figured why not.

http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_orderup.html

Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax M 120mm f2.8

Notes:  Another bw conversion, complete with Hokey imitation 35mm 
sprocket holes.  Although this doesn't look like it, it was a real 
available darkness shot.  The border on this shot was inspired by a 
special negative carrier that was available in a student run darkroom 
from my college days.  It had been cut out to allow a print of the 
entire 35mm frame including the sprockets and edge printing, thus 
proving that you hadn't cropped the image captured.  Shots from my 
Spotmatic showed the same kind of irregularities in the film gate the 
mask does btw.

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Re: Photo Challenge: Moon, Jupiter and Antares

2007-02-13 Thread mike wilson
Clouds, mostly.
 
 From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/02/13 Tue AM 08:06:49 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Photo Challenge: Moon, Jupiter and Antares
 
 
 What happened with this?
 
 Kostas
 
 On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail) wrote:
 
  Hello,
 
  Some of you may have noticed my latest GESO, about a nice conjunction
  between the thin moon crescent and the planet Venus last Saturday (GESO
  visible here):
  http://www.lacouture.nom.fr/gallery/v/geso/2007-01-20-LuneVenusMarseille/
  http://tinyurl.com/24bg2d
 
  Unfortunately, I forgot to post a notice on the list beforehand, and
  only David Savage and I shared images of this event (Dave's images here):
 
  http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/GESO/GESO_013/pages/_IGP0846.htm
  http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/GESO/GESO_013/pages/_IGP0855.htm
 
 
  For people here that are interested in doing this kind of photos, I
  propose another similar challenge:
 
  On next February 12, the now growing moon will then be a very thin
  crescent again, closing to the sun. At this very day, it will cruise
  near the very bright planet Jupiter and the bright start Antares, in the
  Scorpion constellation.
 
  The trio will raise at the east (as usual), shortly before the sun,
  wherever you live.
 
  There are two challenges here:
  - doing a nice composition, of general photographic interest, and not
  only a pure astronomical documentary photograph, that would please
  only astronomers.
  - getting up at this time of the morning (and of the year in northern
  countries)
 
  I will do my best to produce something, and I invite enthusiasts to join me.
 
  To get an idea of what to expect, I did a simulation with the great
  software Stellarium, visible here:
 
  http://www.lacouture.nom.fr/gallery/v/divers/2007-02-12-MJA/2007-02-12-Moon-Jupiter-Antares-crop.jpg.html
  http://tinyurl.com/ytmx8k
 
  This simulation is for Marseilles, France, but the configuration should
  be similar wherever you live in the northern hemisphere. The moon
  inclination will vary according to your latitude, and will be reversed
  in the southern hemisphere, but you get the idea. FYI, my shot of last
  saturday with the longest focal was approx 125mm.
 
  This is not really a synchronicity project, as everyone must take the
  picture before dawn wherever (s)he lives, before the moon and the rest
  disappear into the sun's light.
 
  If the number of participants is enough, I'll probably set up a gallery
  somewhere to host the images.
 
  If this bothers you, sorry for that, otherwise, enjoy!
 
  Patrice
 
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Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens

2007-02-13 Thread Adam Maas
The Canon 5D with the addition of a $10 adaptor is for all intents and 
purposes a M42 DSLR. All it's missing is the metering stop-down button.

-Adam
Who shoots M42 on Canon EOS with his ST's


J. C. O'Connell wrote:
 Sorry I cant help you out on that one, ( Just got
 my own personal K28/2 sample a few months ago). I have a similar
 goal, I am now collecting the entire K series lenses
 to go along with my entire SMCT lens series. A few Ms
 and As too, but not collecting those series. I bet
 collecting the entire A series would be a real challange though.
 
 Speaking of the SMCTs, if somebody ever makes a hi-rez M42 FF DSLR, I
 will
 be in hog heaven. So far I am seeing really good results with the few I
 tried
 so far casually on the istDS.
 
 jco
 
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 Jim King
 Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:32 PM
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: WTB: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
 
 
 As many of you know, I'm a collector as well as a user of Pentax  
 lenses.  I need a copy of this lens to help me reach my goal of  
 owning all of the Pentax K-mount 28mm lenses.  If anyone here has a  
 copy which they would be willing to sell me I'd be very grateful.   
 Please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] - thanks!
 
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Re: PESO: Adult Cormorant (repost)

2007-02-13 Thread David Savage
On 2/13/07, John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Dave

 Ooops try again!

  They're both a little too blue/cool IMO. With a levels adjustment
  layer and individually working on the R,G  B channels I came up with
  this (I hope you don't mind):
 
  http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/5582064-md_DSv.jpg

 Took your advice on levels aboard and adjusted a little:

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5582064

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5586820

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5586922

 I think they're getting their IMHO

I think your right.

  I also ran it through PS CS2's reduce noise filter  then smart
  sharpened it some.

 I found Noise Ninja produces a better rendering to my eye, just an opinion.
 Thanks for the advice and constructive critique.

I agree, Noise Ninja  Neat Image (prefer NN) are vastly superior, but
the reduce noise filter is handy at times. I particularly like it for
smoothing out skin texture in those shots of the dermally challenged.
;-)

Cheers,

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Re: Experience with cheap batteries (np400 in mind)

2007-02-13 Thread Mike Hamilton
On 2/13/07, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Whereever I look in shops I find np400 for €40-50 most of the time.
 Those are rated 1400-1600mAH.

 Of course on Ebay I can find 2000mAH (!?) for €15. Now, any experience
 with those cheap batteries? Maybe batteries from known-brands like
 Uniross/Memorex should be better? I find the Pentax branded one to be
 really too expensive.
 A site like aboutbatteries.com is any good ?


I purchased a spare NP400 replacement from eBay for around $13
including shipping. I've been happy, and unless I checked the battery
itself, I couldn't tell between that one and the original Pentax.

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Re: OT: Great Headlines

2007-02-13 Thread ann sanfedele
And these are some from my bulletin board that I clipped from sundry 
papers  years ago

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Church Reappoints Flake as Minister

Study names water source : French Broad

House Ducks Veto Fight

Clam prevails in Ecuadorian Election 
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Re: PAW 2007 - 06 - GDG

2007-02-13 Thread ann sanfedele
Hmmm - give the sort of thing you are going for here (I think:) ) I'd go 
for absolutely centering the cabinet
from top to bottom.  Also, I found the little dab of paint above the 
left knob on cabinet distracting - but I guess
it would be cheating to clone it out  - and then it wouldn't be as 
much what it is as it is.
(huh? whaddid she say???)

ann



Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

I was at the Frankel Gallery in SF last week and spent an hour or so  
admiring the work of Hiroshi Sugimoto's show, Colors of Shadow. I  
found the photos extremely beautiful and serene.

This week's PAW is a bald faced attempt to emulate the style. ;-)

   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/06.htm

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Re: PESO - El Capitan (#1)

2007-02-13 Thread ann sanfedele
Marnie -
I like this more the more I look it - though it isn't quite up to your 
Joshua trees for me (very subjectively)

You are becoming the Eliot Porter of the list

ann

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 2/12/2007 2:49:44 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I really like the  lighting in this shot.


Dan M

Thanks. :-)

So  did I.

Marnie aka Doe
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On 2/12/07,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

On the way to my SW  trip, I spent about two days  in Yosemite. I discovered
shooting it  is rather difficult, as the best light is  early morning and 


late
  

 afternoon. Not being an early morning person, my window  of opportunity  


was
  

pretty limited. In other words, two days was not enough --   some rocks are 


best
  

late day and you can't be in all the places to shoot  all  those rocks at 


the
  

same time late day. Also I hadn't been  there in 30 years and  spent a lot 


of
  

time just revisiting things,  and, well, I am also no  AA.

But enough caveats -- I rather  like some of the straight on El  Capitan
photos I got. Needless to  say I shot it a lot, and this is only  one...

 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/elcapitan1.htm

 Comments,  welcome.

Marnie aka Doe :-) This is a repost,  the original message didn't  show up 


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Re: PESO - Inversion

2007-02-13 Thread ann sanfedele
yeah - nice grab!

ann

Tom C wrote:

Driving down the dirt road this morning, I rounded a corner and came on this 
view.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5588182size=lg

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Re: PESO - Another one for Annsan?

2007-02-13 Thread ann sanfedele


Mark Roberts wrote:

ann sanfedele wrote:

  

Well, I'm glad I hopped back on list today to see this --



You probably missed this one, too:
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/aaip.jpg

I did indeed!  Har!  that one must be in Pennsylvania

(AAIP stands for Another Annsan-Inspired Photograph :-P)

aw shucks, I never had an acronym before - sounds (when you say it out 
loud) dangerously close to another
appropriate one for me, though - AARP

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Re: PESO - Sedona

2007-02-13 Thread ann sanfedele
I can vouch for the color being true -
 Nice to get a glimpse near Sedona not overrun with tourists...

ann

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 2/13/2007 3:12:05 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nice shot. Well  composed. Highly saturated, but it works well  here.
Paul

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Re: SV: Better K10D exposure-tests (Was:*ist-Ds Vs. K10D image quality?)

2007-02-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
The key to getting a good white balance is to find and sample a light  
gray area, not a white area...

G

On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:23 AM, John Whittingham wrote:

 It's great when you have a definitive reference for white, but  
 caused me no
 end of trouble with my recent Cormorant cock-up 8)

 Eventually selecting as shot for the starting point, some of the  
 other
 default settings seem way off the mark, such as daylight, cloudy
 and shade!!!?

 The eyedropper in Capture One Pro seems to do a better job, but no  
 support
 for K10D yet, I'm saving my one free upgrade for that :)

 On the flip side, Capture One has a real dogs dinner of a GUI but I  
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Re: PAW 2007 - 06 - GDG

2007-02-13 Thread Rick Womer
Interesting, Godfrey, but it needs more playing with,
methinks.  More contrast, maybe; some more distinct
shadows; some cropping?

Rick

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 I was at the Frankel Gallery in SF last week and
 spent an hour or so  
 admiring the work of Hiroshi Sugimoto's show,
 Colors of Shadow. I  
 found the photos extremely beautiful and serene.
 
 This week's PAW is a bald faced attempt to emulate
 the style. ;-)
 
   
 http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/06.htm
 
 Comments, critique and the inevitable tomatoes are
 all welcome.
 
 enjoy,
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RE: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens

2007-02-13 Thread J. C. O'Connell
hi,

dont be confused by the K24/2.8. It'not a real
K lens, its just a later M lens they didnt designate
as M because of the size. The real K24 is the original
K24, the K24/3.5.
jco

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 I really like the K series lenses
 and so far they seem excellent on digital APS too.
 My very latest aquisition K was the K120mm F2.8 (not the doggy poo M

 version!) and it's freakin smokin' sharp! (should be, its an exact 
 copy of the superb K105/2.8 but scaled up). It took me years to find 
 that sucker! The K series lenses are much rarer than the SMCTs, thats 
 for sure. They are fun to collect and use.

I'm a big fan of the K series myself. I love the build quality and
precision, 
never had any SMCT lenses but I believe they're great. Currently have K 
18/3.5, 24/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2, 50/1.2, 135/2.5(x2), 200/4 and 300/4. I'd 
really like a K85/1.8 (I've got M85/2) and a K200/2.5 and yes K28/2. I'm

debating whether to part with one K135/2.5 to fund an ultra-wide for the

K10D, but if anyone fancies a swap K135/2.5 (mint) for K85/1.8 (similar 
condition) let me know.

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RE: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens

2007-02-13 Thread J. C. O'Connell
It doesnt do automatic aperture which is
what ia needed with M42 to be fully functional
in my opinion. A whole bunch of cameras
can do M42, including Pentax K bodies, with
manual aperture mode only, what I am talking about is
a true M42 DSLR that has full auto aperture
support. (not to be confused with metering,

autoaperture is stop down on exposure only, and instant
reopen after exposure, which has been a key
M42 lens feature since about 1960).
jco

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The Canon 5D with the addition of a $10 adaptor is for all intents and 
purposes a M42 DSLR. All it's missing is the metering stop-down button.

-Adam
Who shoots M42 on Canon EOS with his ST's


J. C. O'Connell wrote:
 Sorry I cant help you out on that one, ( Just got
 my own personal K28/2 sample a few months ago). I have a similar goal,

 I am now collecting the entire K series lenses to go along with my 
 entire SMCT lens series. A few Ms and As too, but not collecting those

 series. I bet collecting the entire A series would be a real 
 challange though.
 
 Speaking of the SMCTs, if somebody ever makes a hi-rez M42 FF DSLR, I 
 will be in hog heaven. So far I am seeing really good results with the

 few I tried
 so far casually on the istDS.
 
 jco
 
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 Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:32 PM
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: WTB: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
 
 
 As many of you know, I'm a collector as well as a user of Pentax
 lenses.  I need a copy of this lens to help me reach my goal of  
 owning all of the Pentax K-mount 28mm lenses.  If anyone here has a  
 copy which they would be willing to sell me I'd be very grateful.   
 Please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] - thanks!
 
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RE: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens

2007-02-13 Thread J. C. O'Connell
havent tried mine ( K30/2.8 ) on digital, but
wow, it was good on film and the
view in the finder was spectacular.
(outstanding contrast and saturation).

jco

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Do you all K-serie fan did try the 30/2.8? I find it I lovely lens but
as it is the only K I have, I dunno about a comparison to K28 / K35.

2007/2/13, John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  I really like the K series lenses
  and so far they seem excellent on digital APS too.
  My very latest aquisition K was the K120mm F2.8 (not the doggy poo

  M version!) and it's freakin smokin' sharp! (should be, its an exact

  copy of the superb K105/2.8 but scaled up). It took me years to find

  that sucker! The K series lenses are much rarer than the SMCTs, 
  thats for sure. They are fun to collect and use.

 I'm a big fan of the K series myself. I love the build quality and 
 precision, never had any SMCT lenses but I believe they're great. 
 Currently have K 18/3.5, 24/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2, 50/1.2, 135/2.5(x2), 
 200/4 and 300/4. I'd really like a K85/1.8 (I've got M85/2) and a 
 K200/2.5 and yes K28/2. I'm debating whether to part with one K135/2.5

 to fund an ultra-wide for the K10D, but if anyone fancies a swap 
 K135/2.5 (mint) for K85/1.8 (similar
 condition) let me know.

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Re: Experience with cheap batteries (np400 in mind)

2007-02-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I have the Pentax battery, a KM NP400 rated at 1500mAh that I had in  
my drawer for a year, and an aftermarket Impact battery rated at  
1750mAh that cost me $19. All work well, differences between them in  
terms of exposures per charge are small.

Godfrey

On Feb 13, 2007, at 1:26 AM, Thibouille wrote:

 Whereever I look in shops I find np400 for €40-50 most of the time.
 Those are rated 1400-1600mAH.

 Of course on Ebay I can find 2000mAH (!?) for €15. Now, any experience
 with those cheap batteries? Maybe batteries from known-brands like
 Uniross/Memorex should be better? I find the Pentax branded one to be
 really too expensive.
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Re: PESO - Contemplating

2007-02-13 Thread Rick Womer
I like it, Bruce.  I think I would like it even more
if it were framed so that the person is lower and to
the left, and more of the sea is at the top of the
frame.

Rick

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 ISO 200, 1/180 sec @ f/8
 
 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4298.htm
 
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Re: OT: Great Headlines

2007-02-13 Thread Brendan MacRae
Years ago there was a headline refering to the
exhumation of Zachary Taylor. Researchers wanted some
tissue samples to test whether his death was the
result of arsenic poisoning.

The headline?

ZACHARY TAYLOR MAY HAVE BEEN POISONED; REMAINS TO BE
SEEN

lol

-Brendan
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 Crack Found on Governor's Daughter
 
 Something Went Wrong in Jet Crash, Expert Says
 
 Police Begin Campaign to Run Down Jaywalkers
 
 Is There a Ring of Debris around Uranus?
 
 Panda Mating Fails; Veterinarian Takes Over
 
 Miners Refuse to Work after Death
 
 Juvenile Court to Try Shooting Defendant
 
 War Dims Hope for Peace
 
 If Strike Isn't Settled Quickly, It May Last Awhile
 
 Cold Wave Linked to Temperatures
 
 Couple Slain; PoliceSuspect Homicide
 
 Red Tape Holds Up New Bridges
 
 Man Struck By Lightning: Faces Battery Charge
 
 New Study of Obesity Looks for Larger Test Group
 
 Astronaut Takes Blame for Gas in Spacecraft
 
 Kids Make Nutritious Snacks
 
 Local High School Dropouts Cut in Half
 
 Hospitals are Sued by 7 Foot Doctors
 
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Re: PESO - El Capitan (#1)

2007-02-13 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/13/2007 6:51:50 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Marnie -
I like this more  the more I look it - though it isn't quite up to your 
Joshua trees for me  (very subjectively)

You are becoming the Eliot Porter of the  list

ann

Thanks, Ann. I think you caught what I liked,  the play of light on the rock. 
And I know no reason one can't take a slightly  more intimate portrait of a 
big rock. :-)

Had to look up Eliot Porter,  wow, big compliment. Maybe a little tooo 
big. But big thanks.

Marnie  aka Doe :-)

=

In a message dated 2/12/2007 2:49:44  P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I  really like the  lighting in this shot.


Dan  M

Thanks. :-)

So  did  I.

Marnie aka  Doe
=



But enough caveats -- I rather  like some of the straight on  El  Capitan
photos I got. Needless to  say I shot it a lot,  and this is only  one...

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RE: PESO - Contemplating

2007-02-13 Thread Bill Owens

Nice shot, Bruce.  One of the times the rule of 1/3s deserves to be broken.
Bull's-eye framing works well with this one

Bill

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Re: Experience with cheap batteries (np400 in mind)

2007-02-13 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
This pic is really on the Pentax-France web site :

http://www.pentax.fr/downloads/photo/fr/batterie%20DL-I50/batterie_DL_I50.jpg


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Re: PESO -- Order Up

2007-02-13 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/13/2007 5:41:08 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Not the best  technical shot I've ever made, but it grew on me, so I 
figured why  not.

http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_orderup.html

=
This  is nice, Peter. I might wish for a bit more of the girl than that small 
slice,  but the expressions are great so, ergo, timing is great. Great 
capture -- a real  slice of life.

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Re: PESO -- Order Up

2007-02-13 Thread Rick Womer
I like it; it has a very appealing retro quality.  Is
that the noise that came with the pic and
conversion, or did you do something to emulate P3200
grain?

Rick

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 Not the best technical shot I've ever made, but it
 grew on me, so I 
 figured why not.
 

http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_orderup.html
 
 Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax M 120mm f2.8
 
 Notes:  Another bw conversion, complete with Hokey
 imitation 35mm 
 sprocket holes.  Although this doesn't look like it,
 it was a real 
 available darkness shot.  The border on this shot
 was inspired by a 
 special negative carrier that was available in a
 student run darkroom 
 from my college days.  It had been cut out to allow
 a print of the 
 entire 35mm frame including the sprockets and edge
 printing, thus 
 proving that you hadn't cropped the image captured. 
 Shots from my 
 Spotmatic showed the same kind of irregularities in
 the film gate the 
 mask does btw.
 
 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally
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Re: Experience with cheap batteries (np400 in mind)

2007-02-13 Thread pnstenquist
I have fouar batteries, and only one of them is from Pentax. One is a 
Promaster, another is from company in NY, and the third is the bargain brand 
that BH was selling. They are all rated differently, ranging from 1500 to 
1780, but all perform about the same.
Paul
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 I have the Pentax battery, a KM NP400 rated at 1500mAh that I had in  
 my drawer for a year, and an aftermarket Impact battery rated at  
 1750mAh that cost me $19. All work well, differences between them in  
 terms of exposures per charge are small.
 
 Godfrey
 
 On Feb 13, 2007, at 1:26 AM, Thibouille wrote:
 
  Whereever I look in shops I find np400 for €40-50 most of the time.
  Those are rated 1400-1600mAH.
 
  Of course on Ebay I can find 2000mAH (!?) for €15. Now, any experience
  with those cheap batteries? Maybe batteries from known-brands like
  Uniross/Memorex should be better? I find the Pentax branded one to be
  really too expensive.
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Re: SV: Better K10D exposure-tests (Was:*ist-Ds Vs. K10D image quality?)

2007-02-13 Thread John Whittingham
 The key to getting a good white balance is to find and sample a 
 light  gray area, not a white area...

I've tried that at first but it never seemed right, maybe I need to re-
install. BTW which version of ACR are you using?


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Re: Long-delayed GFM shots

2007-02-13 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/9/2007 12:51:38 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Hmm. I just got the  moment to look at these.

 Either the downsampled rendering has  destroyed most of the tonalities
 or our monitors are set too  differently. They look oversharpened to
 me, and the contrast curves look  too steep, most of the Zone III-V
 tones are missing or  muddy.


This was my impression as well.  I wondered if maybe  my first viewing  
had been in a bad lighting situation, so I didn't say  anything.

Almost Tri-X-like in the sharp harsh contrast

-Charles


I am glad you guys said this, because I thought  maybe it was just me. And I 
am not a BW gal, so I find them hard to  evaluate. But these look way too 
dark to me. Lack of detail and sort of gritty,  maybe appealing in a way, but 
making it really hard to get a sense of depth and  scale and texture. I am just 
talking about the rendering, not the photos, Mark  -- I had the same reaction 
to the tree trunk. :-)

OTOH, you may be going  for a certain mood, but that mood I find very 
depressing.

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PESO - bleachers (non-pentax)

2007-02-13 Thread Scott Loveless
Late fall, C220, 80mm, Portra 160VC.  She was running back and forth
on these bleachers, so I pre-focused.  Unfortunately, I tripped the
shutter about a 10th of a second too soon.

http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/ASaturdayInThePark/photo#5026365989735304370

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Re: PESO -- Order Up

2007-02-13 Thread P. J. Alling
I've got a file of digital grain, depending on how you manipulate it, it 
can be made to look like anything from Plus-X to really clumpy Tri-X.  
Along with the noise it does look a lot like P3200.

Rick Womer wrote:
 I like it; it has a very appealing retro quality.  Is
 that the noise that came with the pic and
 conversion, or did you do something to emulate P3200
 grain?

 Rick

 --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 Not the best technical shot I've ever made, but it
 grew on me, so I 
 figured why not.


 
 http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_orderup.html
   
 Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax M 120mm f2.8

 Notes:  Another bw conversion, complete with Hokey
 imitation 35mm 
 sprocket holes.  Although this doesn't look like it,
 it was a real 
 available darkness shot.  The border on this shot
 was inspired by a 
 special negative carrier that was available in a
 student run darkroom 
 from my college days.  It had been cut out to allow
 a print of the 
 entire 35mm frame including the sprockets and edge
 printing, thus 
 proving that you hadn't cropped the image captured. 
 Shots from my 
 Spotmatic showed the same kind of irregularities in
 the film gate the 
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 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally
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Re: SV: Better K10D exposure-tests (Was:*ist-Ds Vs. K10D image quality?)

2007-02-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Feb 13, 2007, at 8:09 AM, John Whittingham wrote:

 The key to getting a good white balance is to find and sample a
 light  gray area, not a white area...

 I've tried that at first but it never seemed right, maybe I need to  
 re-
 install. BTW which version of ACR are you using?

Right now I'm using Camera Raw v3.6. But the technique isn't limited  
to Camera Raw ... I use the same in Lightroom and in Photoshop on RGB  
images using a Layers Adjustment Layer with the sampler tools. For  
the latter, I set up samplers on target areas with a 5x5 sampling,  
then use the grayscale eyedropper after the white point and black  
point droppers.

I doubt you have to re-install anything, though. Finding the *right*  
gray spot to sample is the trick. ;-)

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Re: PESO: Adult Cormorant (repost)

2007-02-13 Thread John Whittingham
Thanks Dave.

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Re: PESO - Sedona

2007-02-13 Thread Bruce Dayton
Certainly the time of day was not in your favor.  However, you have
done very nicely with the clouds and color to make it a very nice shot
to look at.  I like it.

-- 
Bruce


Tuesday, February 13, 2007, 1:47:40 AM, you wrote:


Eac More big rocks, Sedona-style (Arizona). This  may have the grandeur the
Eac earlier El Capitan (#1)  lacked.


Eac http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/sedona.htm


Eac Just  a travel shot, really. Clouds might be a bit overexposed. Never sure
Eac how to do  that.

Eac Comments welcome.

Eac Marnie aka Doe :-)Well,  I've run out of the easy ones. More difficult 
to
Eac process ones in week or two.  





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Re: PESO - Sedona

2007-02-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Feb 13, 2007, at 1:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 More big rocks, Sedona-style (Arizona). This  may have the grandeur  
 the
 earlier El Capitan (#1)  lacked.

 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/sedona.htm

 Just  a travel shot, really. Clouds might be a bit overexposed.  
 Never sure
 how to do  that.

Nice, Marnie. Kind of a Picture Postcard shot, in both subject and  
treatment.

Godfrey

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Re: PESO - El Capitan (#1)

2007-02-13 Thread Paul Sorenson
To see more of Eliot Porter's work, see if you can find a book 
originally published in 1963 by the Sierra Club called The Place No One 
Knew.  It's Porter's photos of Glen Canyon in northern AZ before the 
dam was built and the canyon was flooded.

From Publishers Weekly
This is ... master nature photographer Porter's 1963 paean to a unique 
natural wonder of compressed geology and atmospheric caprice now long 
since extinguished by a power-project dam. The work still excites as 
both camera art and a spur to wilderness preservation. Light, shadow and 
tinted hue play changes on the canyon's walls, rifts and waters in 
Porter's color plates, here accompanied by quotations from Thoreau, 
Loren Eiseley, Owen Wister, Wallace Stegner and others. The assemblage 
of carved walls, royal arches, glens, alcove gulches, mounds and 
monuments that Porter calls the Colorado's masterwork was discovered 
by John Wesley Powell in 1869. Porter mourns a vanished river passage 
that mirrors pink rocks and cerulean sky and in whose narrow chasms 
streams of melted gems flow over purple sands. Though imperceptible in 
its original state, Glen Canyon on these picture-pages persists and is 
fittingly commemorated.

Another of book of Porter's worth perusing has photos from the coast of 
Maine, titled Summer Island.

-P

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a message dated 2/13/2007 6:51:50 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Marnie -
 I like this more  the more I look it - though it isn't quite up to your 
 Joshua trees for me  (very subjectively)
 
 You are becoming the Eliot Porter of the  list
 
 ann
 
 Thanks, Ann. I think you caught what I liked,  the play of light on the rock. 
 And I know no reason one can't take a slightly  more intimate portrait of a 
 big rock. :-)
 
 Had to look up Eliot Porter,  wow, big compliment. Maybe a little tooo 
 big. But big thanks.
 
 Marnie  aka Doe :-)
 
 =
 
 In a message dated 2/12/2007 2:49:44  P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I  really like the  lighting in this shot.


 Dan  M
 
 Thanks. :-)

 So  did  I.

 Marnie aka  Doe
 =


 
 But enough caveats -- I rather  like some of the straight on  El  Capitan
 photos I got. Needless to  say I shot it a lot,  and this is only  one...

  http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/elcapitan1.htm
  
 
 


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PESO - Over There

2007-02-13 Thread Bruce Dayton
I am quite undecided on this shot.  I wanted to post it here to see
what you all think of it.

Pentax K10D, Tokina AT-X 400/5.6, Handheld
ISO 200, 1/500 sec @ f/8

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4294.htm

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Re: PESO - Sedona

2007-02-13 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/13/2007 8:59:53 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Feb 13, 2007, at 1:47 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 More big rocks, Sedona-style (Arizona).  This  may have the grandeur  
 the
 earlier El Capitan  (#1)  lacked.

  http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/sedona.htm

  Just  a travel shot, really. Clouds might be a bit overexposed.   
 Never sure
 how to do  that.

Nice, Marnie. Kind of a  Picture Postcard shot, in both subject and   
treatment.

Godfrey


Thanks, Godfrey.

Marnie  :-)  


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Re: Remote Control F Operation

2007-02-13 Thread John Sessoms

 From:
 John Whittingham
 I have it working now. Works great with the K10D. A test:
  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5572447
  Paul
   

 Hi Paul

 Was it the battery? Mine's not working and I wondered what battery it takes.

 John 

I don't believe the battery is supposed to be changeable. The price is 
low enough I think it's supposed to be disposable. Battery good for 10 
years or something like that  just buy a new one when it wears out.

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Re: PESO - Over There

2007-02-13 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/13/2007 9:11:55 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am quite undecided  on this shot.  I wanted to post it here to see
what you all think of  it.

Pentax K10D, Tokina AT-X 400/5.6, Handheld
ISO 200, 1/500 sec @  f/8

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4294.htm

Comments  welcomed

-- 
Bruce


I am too. Not helpful. :-)  Now that I know the word, muddy, from others' 
usage of it, I'd say it was a  little muddy. I know it was a gray overcast day, 
but I think it could be  stronger -- colorwise, contrastwise.

And I realize I am making just  renderingwise comments.

Marnie aka Doe   ;-)  Well, back  to real life.  


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Re: PESO - El Capitan (#1)

2007-02-13 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/13/2007 8:44:39 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
To see more of Eliot  Porter's work, see if you can find a book 
originally published in 1963 by  the Sierra Club called The Place No One 
Knew.  It's Porter's photos  of Glen Canyon in northern AZ before the 
dam was built and the canyon was  flooded.

From Publishers Weekly
This is ... master nature  photographer Porter's 1963 paean to a unique 
natural wonder of compressed  geology and atmospheric caprice now long 
since extinguished by a  power-project dam. The work still excites as 
both camera art and a spur to  wilderness preservation. Light, shadow and 
tinted hue play changes on the  canyon's walls, rifts and waters in 
Porter's color plates, here accompanied  by quotations from Thoreau, 
Loren Eiseley, Owen Wister, Wallace Stegner and  others. The assemblage 
of carved walls, royal arches, glens, alcove  gulches, mounds and 
monuments that Porter calls the Colorado's masterwork  was discovered 
by John Wesley Powell in 1869. Porter mourns a vanished river  passage 
that mirrors pink rocks and cerulean sky and in whose narrow  chasms 
streams of melted gems flow over purple sands. Though imperceptible  in 
its original state, Glen Canyon on these picture-pages persists and is  
fittingly commemorated.

Another of book of Porter's worth perusing  has photos from the coast of 
Maine, titled Summer  Island.

-P

===
Thanks.

Hmmm, my father helped build  Glen Canyon dam. LOL.

I'll look around for him.

Marnie :-)  


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Re: PESO - Sedona

2007-02-13 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/13/2007 8:43:07 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Certainly the time of  day was not in your favor.  However, you have
done very nicely with the  clouds and color to make it a very nice shot
to look at.  I like  it.

-- 
Bruce
===
Thanks, Bruce. Yes, it wasn't a good  time of day, and it was just a side 
trip on the way home, so I buzzed through  the valley in about 45 minutes. Once 
I 
saw it I wished I had more time. Blew me  away. An amazing place, the 
Yosemite of the SW. A whole valley of big, big red  rock formations. Haven't 
seen 
anything else like them in the SW (Bryce is  different, more carved, more 
eroded, 
these were also bigger). 

I want to  go back sometime. Just when I had driven on a little more and 
thought the  formations had stopped there would be another one.

This particular photo  was taken at a lookout point that had a good view of 
the whole valley and was  very close to several big formations. This was just 
one at that spot, there were  more to the right. But they were in too much 
shadow. Evidentially I was supposed  to have a special pass to park there, a 
Red 
Rock Pass, but I snuck in and  didn't stay long and, thus, didn't get a 
ticket.

Thanks for looking,  Marnie :-)

===

Tuesday, February 13, 2007, 1:47:40 AM,  you wrote:


Eac More big rocks, Sedona-style (Arizona). This   may have the grandeur the
Eac earlier El Capitan (#1)   lacked.


Eac  http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/sedona.htm


Eac  Just  a travel shot, really. Clouds might be a bit overexposed. Never  
sure
Eac how to do  that.

Eac Comments  welcome.

Eac Marnie aka Doe :-)Well,  I've  run out of the easy ones. More 
difficult to
Eac process ones in week or  two.   


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RE: Feb 12th Astro Challenge

2007-02-13 Thread Tim Øsleby
Saw this post today :-(
But I believe the weather was no good for astro shots.


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 

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Subject: Feb 12th Astro Challenge

Hey folks, don't forget the pre-sunrise photo challenge Monday morning: 
Jupiter, Antares and the moon in a convenient triangle.

From my area, they're in the south-east in the very early morning, but the 
weather has been cloudy and rainy the last few days, and the forecast says 
more of the same.  I don't know if I'll be able to do it, but I'm going to 
try.

Good luck to anyone else who makes the attempt!

John

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RE: Better K10D exposure-tests (Was:*ist-Ds Vs. K10D image quality?)

2007-02-13 Thread Tim Øsleby
It ain't easy if it's way overexposed. 
And getting the exposure right at a rock concert ain't easy, with the
constant changes in lighting and people running around way faster than my
manual focusing capabilities. 

On second thought; maybe I should have a second look at the photos. I'm
better at raw converting now. Some of the pictures are of my youngest son
with one of his bands. So it is worth a try.


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam
Maas
Sent: 13. februar 2007 00:13
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Subject: Re: Better K10D exposure-tests (Was:*ist-Ds Vs. K10D image
quality?)

Caucasian skin tones are apparently a problem for Bayer Matrix sensors 
because they are within the frequency response curves for both green and 
red sensor sites, which tends to give an additional red cast to 
caucasian skin. This can be corrected in post fairly easily if you shoot 
RAW of course.


-Adam
Who was just reading about this in a rather good book about 
photographing and post-processing people shots, a book called Skin by 
Lee Varis. And no, it's not about nudes.


Tim Øsleby wrote:
 I've noticed this with my DS too. It is a real PITA in difficult light
(read
 concert shooting). If I don't have time to do proper spot metering I tend
to
 end up with reddish skin cast that is impossible to get rid of in
 processing. I've blown a few gigs doing this.
 
 
 Tim
 Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Jens
 Bladt
 Sent: 11. februar 2007 16:14
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: RE: Better K10D exposure-tests (Was:*ist-Ds Vs. K10D image
 quality?)
 
 PPS:
 I  have added a little test to my Flickr pages as well:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594529582033/
 
 Regards
 
 Jens Bladt
 Nytarkort / Greeting Card:
 http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/lydshow.html
 
 http://www.jensbladt.dk
 +45 56 63 77 11
 +45 23 43 85 77
 Skype: jensbladt248
 
 -Oprindelig meddelelse-
 Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Jens
 Bladt
 Sendt: 11. februar 2007 13:36
 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Emne: Better K10D exposure-tests (Was:*ist-Ds Vs. K10D image quality?)
 
 
 William, PauI, Godfrey, Rob, Peter, David, John ...
 
 I don't know what the  went wrong yesterday, testing exposure of the
 K10D.
 Perhaps the FA* 2.8/80-200mm is not working right with the K10D?
 Perhaps changing leses many times, metering by manually by Green Button
etc.
 did confuse the cameras or me, or the light perhaps changed betewwn
 switching camera bodies ? I have no idea.
 
 Anyway, today I did some new test shots - comparing the K10D and the *ist
D,
 using two samples of the same Pentax lens:
 The old SMC Pentax-F 4-5.6 35-80mm.
 
 So, I put one of these lenses on both cameras and did a few test shots. I
 shot the same scenery twice -using the same shutterspeed, same settings
 (multi-segnment, WB, contrast, sharpness, saturation, ISO 200, RAW).
 
 And guess what? The results are quite surpirsing.
 It seems to me that the K10D in fact does a better job, dealing with
 contrast.
 The K10D shots are consistantly the most pleasing shots, despite of the
dark
 scenery/bright sky. Such conditions are very common in our (northern)
parts
 of the world (low sun). Very often our contrasty environment requires
manual
 exposure corrections. It seems the K10D handeled the situation quite well.
 Much better than the *ist D.
 I am pleasantly surprised!
 
 Judge for your selves. What do you think?
 
 http://www.jensbladt.dk/Test/K10D-vs-istD/K10D-test-album.html
 
 Thanks for looking - comments area welcome.
 
 Jens Bladt
 Nytarkort / Greeting Card:
 http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/lydshow.html
 
 http://www.jensbladt.dk
 +45 56 63 77 11
 +45 23 43 85 77
 Skype: jensbladt248
 
 -Oprindelig meddelelse-
 Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Jens
 Bladt
 Sendt: 11. februar 2007 01:03
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 Emne: RE: *ist-Ds Vs. K10D image quality?
 
 
 No
 I've done this right a 1000 times. And the strategy for a (too) bright sky
 sky IS the same as for a backlit scenry.
 And - so why does the *ist D do the exact scenery right (not over
 compensating)?
 Regards
 Jens Bladt
 Nytarkort / Greeting Card:
 http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/lydshow.html
 
 http://www.jensbladt.dk
 +45 56 63 77 11
 +45 23 43 85 77
 Skype: jensbladt248
 
 -Oprindelig meddelelse-
 Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af
William
 Robb
 Sendt: 10. februar 2007 19:55
 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Emne: Re: *ist-Ds Vs. K10D image quality?
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Jens Bladt
 Subject: RE: *ist-Ds Vs. K10D image quality?
 
 
 
 Regarding exposure, I'll do som emore test tomorrow, evenly lit scenes
 (walls, grey card etc.) as well ad contraty ones, im order tio figure 

RE: PESO - Over There

2007-02-13 Thread Bill Owens
IMO, it's a bit too centered.  I think it would work better with more open
space on the left and less on the right.

Bill

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Bruce Dayton
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Subject: PESO - Over There

I am quite undecided on this shot.  I wanted to post it here to see
what you all think of it.

Pentax K10D, Tokina AT-X 400/5.6, Handheld
ISO 200, 1/500 sec @ f/8

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4294.htm

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RE: SV: Better K10D exposure-tests (Was:*ist-Ds Vs. K10D imagequality?)

2007-02-13 Thread J. C. O'Connell
The problem with the eyedropper technique is there is
not always a suitable spot to sample anywhere in the image.

Probably the best and safest way to ensure
a good white balance is to take an extra
shot under the same lighting w/ a neutral
gray card in scene and use that for auto white balance
adjustment  reference image WB to adjust actual
image WB manually.

jco

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imagequality?)


On Feb 13, 2007, at 8:09 AM, John Whittingham wrote:

 The key to getting a good white balance is to find and sample a light

 gray area, not a white area...

 I've tried that at first but it never seemed right, maybe I need to
 re-
 install. BTW which version of ACR are you using?

Right now I'm using Camera Raw v3.6. But the technique isn't limited  
to Camera Raw ... I use the same in Lightroom and in Photoshop on RGB  
images using a Layers Adjustment Layer with the sampler tools. For  
the latter, I set up samplers on target areas with a 5x5 sampling,  
then use the grayscale eyedropper after the white point and black  
point droppers.

I doubt you have to re-install anything, though. Finding the *right*  
gray spot to sample is the trick. ;-)

G


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Re: PESO - Inversion

2007-02-13 Thread Tom C
Thanks to Bruce, Bob W, Adam, Christian, Cotty, Mark, Bill, Peter, Ken, 
Godfrey, John, P.J., Paul Ken, Jens, Marnie, Ann for the kind words.

There are a number of shots I'm going to try and market, just trying to find 
the time.

Don't hate me for where I live. :-)

For those that asked, it's just plain old stinking dirt flat boring potato 
farming country, as you can see.

Actually just 22 miles north of Boise, ID by road, about 12 if you're an 
eagle or raven.

Thanks again - glad you liked it.

Ken, God doesn't drink beer.  I heard it was Courvoisier. :-)

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Re: PESO -- Order Up

2007-02-13 Thread Bruce Dayton
I like it overall.  I really wish there was more of the waitress as I
see this as an interaction between the cook and waitress.  Just
swinging a little to the right would have made this a great shot,
instead of a good one, for me.

-- 
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Tuesday, February 13, 2007, 5:33:29 AM, you wrote:

PJA Not the best technical shot I've ever made, but it grew on me, so I
PJA figured why not.

PJA http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_orderup.html

PJA Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax M 120mm f2.8

PJA Notes:  Another bw conversion, complete with Hokey imitation 35mm
PJA sprocket holes.  Although this doesn't look like it, it was a real
PJA available darkness shot.  The border on this shot was inspired by a
PJA special negative carrier that was available in a student run darkroom
PJA from my college days.  It had been cut out to allow a print of the
PJA entire 35mm frame including the sprockets and edge printing, thus
PJA proving that you hadn't cropped the image captured.  Shots from my
PJA Spotmatic showed the same kind of irregularities in the film gate the
PJA mask does btw.

PJA As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

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RE: PESO - Sedona

2007-02-13 Thread Tom C
Quite nice Marnie.  I agree this captures the grandeur.  Clouds look good on 
my monitor.



Tom C.



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More big rocks, Sedona-style (Arizona). This  may have the grandeur the
earlier El Capitan (#1)  lacked.


http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/sedona.htm


Just  a travel shot, really. Clouds might be a bit overexposed. Never sure
how to do  that.

Comments welcome.

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to
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Re: PESO - bleachers (non-pentax)

2007-02-13 Thread Bruce Dayton
Cute, but better timing - eyes looking up - would have been even
better.

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Tuesday, February 13, 2007, 8:28:09 AM, you wrote:

SL Late fall, C220, 80mm, Portra 160VC.  She was running back and forth
SL on these bleachers, so I pre-focused.  Unfortunately, I tripped the
SL shutter about a 10th of a second too soon.

SL 
http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/ASaturdayInThePark/photo#5026365989735304370

SL As always, comments and critiques are most welcome.

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Re: PESO - Inversion

2007-02-13 Thread Tom C
No 6x7. I could have used it yesterday and today.



Tom C.



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From: Tom C
Subject: PESO - Inversion


  Driving down the dirt road this morning, I rounded a corner and came on
  this
  view.
 
  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5588182size=lg

Gotta like that. Did you have your 6x7 along too?

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Re: PESO - Over There

2007-02-13 Thread pnstenquist
I find it interesting. There's activity that invokes ideas. It's sharp and well 
detailed. Nicely composed. You might try a slightly tighter crop that 
eliminates open area on the right and above the figures. I think that if the 
people were postiioned more to the right of frame, the over there concept 
might come through more powerfully.
Paul
 -- Original message --
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 I am quite undecided on this shot.  I wanted to post it here to see
 what you all think of it.
 
 Pentax K10D, Tokina AT-X 400/5.6, Handheld
 ISO 200, 1/500 sec @ f/8
 
 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4294.htm
 
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Why Pentax Takumar Screw lenses were/are all so good?

2007-02-13 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Nobody came up with the answer to my quiz why
the Pentax Takumar Screw mount lenses were/are all
so good?

Answer : They were 200% optical bench tested
before being sold in USA. Thats right, 200%.

Every single final assembled Takumar Lens
was optically bench tested at the Asahi
factory in Japan before being imported into
the USA by Honeywell. THEN, once Honeywell
got them, Every single lens was optically bench tested AGAIN
by Honeywell before being put for sale in
USA. This is why ( along with the superb build
quality ) there is such consistant high optical quality for these
lenses as the dogs were all rejected in the process.

I doubt that many lenses today are subjected to
such high quality control. I am sure expensive
ones still are, but not the entire lens series.
It would be way too costly in today's market I would
especially when the build quality of many lenses
( especially budget models ) would create more rejects.

This brings up another thought, wouldnt it have been
cool to work in that test dept and have a company
discount to purchase the lenses? I mean, if a given
lens had to meet say, 75 lp/mm to pass test, and they
typically ran say, 80 to 85 lp/mm, what would be cool
would be to sit aside and buy the occasional 90 to 95 lp/mm
lens that might have squeaked thru once in a while. 
Employees get to buy the gems so to speak! I wonder if this actually
occured, or maybe Pentax or Honeywell permitted it? That
would interesting to find out.

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Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens

2007-02-13 Thread Jim King
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote on Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:41:01 -0800

 I think we're the exact opposite. I collect nothing in terms of
 equipment. I 'accrete' stuff, then I sell of what isn't getting used.
 It bugs me to have too much stuff in the closet...

Viva la difference!  Fortunately there are guys like you who enable  
collectors like me.
(BTW, I'm still looking for that K28/2...)

Regards, Jim

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RE: Beaches with rocks

2007-02-13 Thread Tim Øsleby
First. It is nice to see your photography without all the fuzz (pardon my
bluntness).

A nice composition. I like the waves play with the sand. Sharpening I a bit
over the top IMO. Overall: Good work Roman, among your best.

BTW. Your name makes me curious. Do you feel like sharing a bit about your
background?


Tim
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http://roman.blakout.net/r-rated/640x-XD2H.jpg
sunny beach with rocks...
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Re: PESO - Sedona

2007-02-13 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/13/2007 9:53:44 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Quite nice Marnie.  I  agree this captures the grandeur.  Clouds look good on 
my  monitor.



Tom C.



Thanks, Tom.

Marnie  aka Doe  :-)


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Just   a travel shot, really. Clouds might be a bit overexposed. Never sure
how  to do  that.

Comments welcome.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)Well,  I've run out of the easy ones. More difficult  
to
process ones in week or two.  


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Re: PESO - Inversion

2007-02-13 Thread Dave Kennedy
Great Eye. Wonderful job, Tom.

On 2/12/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Driving down the dirt road this morning, I rounded a corner and came on this
 view.

 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5588182size=lg

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Re: PESO - Over There

2007-02-13 Thread Bruce Dayton
Based on several comments, I have done a little bit of change to the
shot.  Along with which version you prefer, I would still wonder
generally about the shot - is it worth the bother and effort beyond a
learning exercise?

New version:
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4294a.htm

Original version:
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4294.htm

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Thanks,

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Tuesday, February 13, 2007, 9:56:30 AM, you wrote:

pcn I find it interesting. There's activity that invokes ideas.
pcn It's sharp and well detailed. Nicely composed. You might try a
pcn slightly tighter crop that eliminates open area on the right and
pcn above the figures. I think that if the people were postiioned
pcn more to the right of frame, the over there concept might come
pcn through more powerfully.
pcn Paul
pcn  -- Original message --
pcn From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I am quite undecided on this shot.  I wanted to post it here to see
 what you all think of it.
 
 Pentax K10D, Tokina AT-X 400/5.6, Handheld
 ISO 200, 1/500 sec @ f/8
 
 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4294.htm
 
 Comments welcomed
 
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OT Clip art sites for building logos.

2007-02-13 Thread David J Brooks
Any one have any favorite clip art sites, or gif sites.

I'll start searching, but if anyone has a fav, i'll try it.

Station has asked if i could do two logos for the website. One for a
Cancer run and one for our whistle off. The day we launch the station,
we want as many people to come out and whistle together, hence the
name whistle radio:-)

I'll try some thing in PS, but i thought some clip art/gifs might work
just a swell.

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Re: WTB: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens

2007-02-13 Thread Jim King
David Weiss wrote on Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:37:42 -0800

 I wonder how that [the K28/2] is rated?  I have the M version of  
 that lens.  What
 do you think of the optical qualities of the M version?  Is it more
 rare than the K?

According to Boz's site, the K28/2 is an entirely different design  
than the M28/2, with one additional element, and it weighs almost  
twice as much.  Takinami says that along with the K28/3.5, it's the  
best of the Pentax 28s.

I have the M28/2 already and if I ever get the K28/2 it will be  
interesting to compare them.

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Re: Photo Challenge: Moon, Jupiter and Antares

2007-02-13 Thread Bob Sullivan
Snowing

On 2/13/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 2/13/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  - Original Message -
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  Subject: Re: Photo Challenge: Moon, Jupiter and Antares
 
 
  
   What happened with this?
  
 
  Clouds.

 Sleep.

 Cheers,

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Re: Remote Control F Operation

2007-02-13 Thread John Whittingham
 I don't believe the battery is supposed to be changeable. The price 
 is low enough I think it's supposed to be disposable. Battery good 
 for 10 years or something like that  just buy a new one when it 
 wears out.

Have you seen whay we pay for them in the UK :(

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Re: PESO - Over There

2007-02-13 Thread pnstenquist
The new version is much better. It says more. Overall, I'd call it a good 
people shot. It raises questions. Something is happening. That makes it 
worthwhile.
Paul
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From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Based on several comments, I have done a little bit of change to the
 shot.  Along with which version you prefer, I would still wonder
 generally about the shot - is it worth the bother and effort beyond a
 learning exercise?
 
 New version:
 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4294a.htm
 
 Original version:
 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4294.htm
 
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 Thanks,
 
 Bruce
 
 
 Tuesday, February 13, 2007, 9:56:30 AM, you wrote:
 
 pcn I find it interesting. There's activity that invokes ideas.
 pcn It's sharp and well detailed. Nicely composed. You might try a
 pcn slightly tighter crop that eliminates open area on the right and
 pcn above the figures. I think that if the people were postiioned
 pcn more to the right of frame, the over there concept might come
 pcn through more powerfully.
 pcn Paul
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  I am quite undecided on this shot.  I wanted to post it here to see
  what you all think of it.
  
  Pentax K10D, Tokina AT-X 400/5.6, Handheld
  ISO 200, 1/500 sec @ f/8
  
  http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4294.htm
  
  Comments welcomed
  
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RE: SV: Better K10D exposure-tests (Was:*ist-Ds Vs. K10D imagequality?)

2007-02-13 Thread John Whittingham
 Probably the best and safest way to ensure
 a good white balance is to take an extra
 shot under the same lighting w/ a neutral
 gray card in scene and use that for auto white balance
 adjustment  reference image WB to adjust actual
 image WB manually.

Not the most convenient of things on a nature shoot or at the side of a 
racetrack though 8)

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Re: PESO - Over There

2007-02-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Hmm. It's a bit literal for me. The framing is too balanced, the  
rendering very normal ... it's a man and a woman, and he's pointing  
out something which is out of the field of view.

I'd unbalance it a little bit by cropping and render it a little more  
strongly, I think. It's probably best as part of some kind of set/ 
portfolio rather than just as a standalone image.

G

On Feb 13, 2007, at 9:10 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

 I am quite undecided on this shot.  I wanted to post it here to see
 what you all think of it.

 Pentax K10D, Tokina AT-X 400/5.6, Handheld
 ISO 200, 1/500 sec @ f/8

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Re: PESO -- Order Up

2007-02-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I like the hokey imitation sprocket holes surround ...

G
The blood never looks so really real until you see it on the telly.

On Feb 13, 2007, at 5:33 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

 Not the best technical shot I've ever made, but it grew on me, so I
 figured why not.

 http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_orderup.html

 Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax M 120mm f2.8

 Notes:  Another bw conversion, complete with Hokey imitation 35mm
 sprocket holes.  Although this doesn't look like it, it was a real
 available darkness shot.  The border on this shot was inspired by a
 special negative carrier that was available in a student run  
 darkroom
 from my college days.  It had been cut out to allow a print of the
 entire 35mm frame including the sprockets and edge printing, thus
 proving that you hadn't cropped the image captured.  Shots from my
 Spotmatic showed the same kind of irregularities in the film gate the
 mask does btw.

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Re: SV: Better K10D exposure-tests (Was:*ist-Ds Vs. K10D image quality?)

2007-02-13 Thread John Whittingham
 I doubt you have to re-install anything, though. Finding the *right* 
  gray spot to sample is the trick. ;-)

You mean like using the grey card as we all did with film, yes? I never 
considered that *light* grey.

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Re: PESO - Contemplating

2007-02-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Feb 12, 2007, at 11:33 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

 Based on your comments I tried a little different direction.  Let me
 know what you think.

 New rendering:
 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4298a.htm

 Original:
 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4298.htm

Hmm. Differences between the two renderings are a little too subtle  
to say that one is really 'better' than the other. Not exactly what I  
had in mind ... I'll send you a sample of what I was thinking. :-)

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Re: PESO - bleachers (non-pentax)

2007-02-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Feb 13, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Scott Loveless wrote:

 Late fall, C220, 80mm, Portra 160VC.  She was running back and forth
 on these bleachers, so I pre-focused.  Unfortunately, I tripped the
 shutter about a 10th of a second too soon.

 http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/ASaturdayInThePark/ 
 photo#5026365989735304370

Yes, a tenth of a second later she'd have been closer to your plane  
of focus and might have looked up with the eyes open. A nice concept,  
a decent shot technically, but a miss nonetheless.

Unfortunate when that happens... Call it 80% of the time.  ;-)

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Re: SV: Better K10D exposure-tests (Was:*ist-Ds Vs. K10D imagequality?)

2007-02-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Feb 13, 2007, at 10:43 AM, John Whittingham wrote:

 Probably the best and safest way to ensure
 a good white balance is to take an extra
 shot under the same lighting w/ a neutral
 gray card in scene and use that for auto white balance
 adjustment  reference image WB to adjust actual
 image WB manually.

 Not the most convenient of things on a nature shoot or at the side  
 of a
 racetrack though 8)

A small card with white/gray/black patches is very easy to keep in  
your pocket and snap an exposure of if you're unsure of the light.  
The resulting white-balance setting can be used for all exposures  
taken in the same light. There are several of these available on the  
market, for anything from $10 to $50. Doesn't even have to be in  
focus... :-)

Godfrey

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Re: SV: Better K10D exposure-tests (Was:*ist-Ds Vs. K10D image quality?)

2007-02-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Feb 13, 2007, at 10:40 AM, John Whittingham wrote:

 I doubt you have to re-install anything, though. Finding the *right*
  gray spot to sample is the trick. ;-)

 You mean like using the grey card as we all did with film, yes? I  
 never
 considered that *light* grey.

The old standard reference, 18% gray, is a little dark for white  
balance use although it does work fine in good light ... that's  
supposed to be a Zone V gray. I prefer to use a Zone VIII gray, about  
60% gray reflectance.

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Re: PESO: Ivy and Ice

2007-02-13 Thread ann sanfedele
Im not so crazy about this one, Paul...
I was trying to think why and I guess it comes down to their being no 
star attraction - that is, my eyes are drawn in
all directions at once kinda too busy for me...

ann

Paul Stenquist wrote:

In truth, the ice is good for it. Keeps the cold dry wind off of it.
Paul
On Feb 11, 2007, at 8:26 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

  

and the Ivy still survives...

Paul Stenquist wrote:


K10D, DA 50-200, F7.1, 1/250th, ISO 320, 73mm, TAv mode:
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