Re: The Cult of Leica

2007-09-19 Thread Adam Maas
Walter Hamler wrote:
 Speaking of Leica, has anyone looked at/tried the latest Leica PS that is 
 10 megpxl?  I was looking at one the other day and it was priced at about 
 500.00 and looked/felt pretty spiffy.
 
 Walt 
 
 

It's a Panasonic LX2 if it's the pocket one, not sure which Panasonic the EVF 
one is rebadged from. Supposedly quite a nice camera. Cheaper without the Red 
Dot too.

-Adam


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Re: OT rant Flash!

2007-09-19 Thread Charles Robinson
On Sep 19, 2007, at 13:17, Mark Roberts wrote:


 I feel your pain. I continue to assign an F to any of my students  
 who
 makes a web site that uses Flash without providing standard, non-Flash
 alternative functionality. Shall I send you a copy nect time it
 happens? ;-)


I used to strive for lynx compatibility when designing web pages.   
I'm not so sure that even my own are compatible with lynx anymore...  
(Hmm... maybe it is!)

  -Charles

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Re: The Cult of Leica

2007-09-19 Thread Mark Roberts
Cotty wrote:

Harrr me hearties, the question is - is the M8 a Leica ?

I thought it was some sort of military vehicle...


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Re: Zeiss 28mm f2 in k mount

2007-09-19 Thread Igor Roshchin


Just in case it would be usefull to somebody.
In response to Boris and Derby's discussion about the store selling
Zeiss lense in K mount, - I found a couple of such stores.
http://shashinki.com/shop/carl-zeiss-planar-85mm-pentaz-mount-free-worldwide-shipping-p-877.html
http://harrysproshop.com/zk/zk.html
I have no idea about their reputation. Someone here may comment on that
(I think I saw some Canadians mentioning the latter one).
However, the prices are similar to those by matsuiyastore on e-bay.

It is the second time I am looking at Planar T* 85/1.4,
but I don't think I can justify its purchase with its current price.

HTH,

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Re: PESO - Cattail

2007-09-19 Thread frank theriault
On 9/17/07, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The background is what really made this interesting for me.

 Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 135mm
 ISO 100, 1/90 sec @ f/4, Handheld

 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5036a.htm

Agreed.

It's a gorgeous photo - the almost abstract-looking background makes it!

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Re: The Cult of Leica

2007-09-19 Thread Adam Maas
Mark Roberts wrote:
 Cotty wrote:
 
 Harrr me hearties, the question is - is the M8 a Leica ?
 
 I thought it was some sort of military vehicle...
 
 

The M8 was a cancelled project that ended up having the prototypes see service 
in Afghanistan (As the vehicle that was supposed to fill the hole, the Stryker 
MGS, isn't ready yet and isn't transportable in a C-130, unlike the M8)

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Re: OT rant Flash!

2007-09-19 Thread dglenn
Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Bandwidth is dirt cheap for commercial sites, and even cheaper for 
 non-rural consumers. I can get multi-meg Ethernet for less than a 
 T1 cost 4-5 years ago. 

So why load sites down so much that it feels like I'm still on
dialup, eh?  ;-)  (More importantly:  bandwidth is not the
ony resource consumed, and if I've got eighty tabs open in
my browser already, client-CPU-intensive pages slow down even
if I'm not also running GIMP and Mplayer on the same machine.)

But that's not my main point.

 It's not about stealing photo's, it's about ensuring that your 
 site looks the way you designed it. 

Bzzzt!  You _can't_.  Not reasonably.  You don't know how big my 
screen is, how much of it I've given to the browser, or what the
screen resolution is set to.  (Worse, you don't know whether I 
even have Flash installed in the browser I'm using today -- gee,
I see an awful lot of interesting-sounding links that lead me to
an all black page.)  If my screen is a different size then yours,
then either I'll have to scroll horizontally to read anything
(one of the faster ways to get me to give up and go read something
else instead) or leave a big empty space around it.

HTML is designed to make such problems go away.  The price?  The
designer has to give up the I Precisely Control Every Exact Detail
Absolutely mindset and let the browser, and the user, make  some
of those decisions.

PDF has its purpose, and Flash has its purpose, but there are 
times -- and on the web, most times are those times -- when you
should let HTML do what HTML was designed to do.

And you _want_ to allow users, especially users with visual impairment
(okay, we're talking photography, which implies a certain level
of vision, but some of us need help with the fine print) who want
to be able to change the font size to read the content that all
the glitz is supposed to make them want to read.  Or, for that
matter, to be able to replace a designer's oh so pretty and tasteful
colour combinations with ones where you can actually read the text
without getting a headache.

You don't want to a) make it harder for spiders to navigate the
site (usually), b) make it harder for people using different software
than you expected to navigate the site, c) make it harder for people
to adjust the look to be easier to read, d) make it difficult or
impossible for users to bookmark the pages they want or (a big 
deal) send URLs of those pages to friends who may also be interested ...

Hey, a while back the big problem was sites that replaced all of the 
perfectly good HTML navigation stuff with Javascript controls that
broke for blind users, security-conscious users, and anyone using
a text browser.  Now it's Flash instead, which I'm given to understand
is less of a security issue but is still a problem on the other 
counts.  I don't think it's mostly about making it look right
everywhere (even when the user is deparately trying to change it 
so they can read it) most of the time; I think it's about having 
to out-glitz the last web designer to get the client's attention, or
marketing folks hung up on what would e pretty in a television
commercial.

-- Glenn

PS:  Yes, I do still use a text browser.  If I want to look 
something up in a hurry, or instantly strip out accented letters
and asymmetrical quotation marks for ease of copy-and-paste, or
if I'm screen-scraping information to have some script parse,
I fire up trusty old Lynx.  It's not what I use for surfing, but
like many other tools it has its uses.  And it's annoying when
what should be a useful tool is thwarted for not-very-good reasons.

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Re: The Cult of Leica

2007-09-19 Thread japilado
Leica PS cameras.  Aren't they just re-badged Panasonics?

Jim A.

 Speaking of Leica, has anyone looked at/tried the latest Leica PS that is
 10 megpxl?  I was looking at one the other day and it was priced at about
 500.00 and looked/felt pretty spiffy.

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Re: How much do you sell your prints for?

2007-09-19 Thread pnstenquist
My cost for matting and framing is only $30. Gallery makes some nice wood 
frames that sell for around $15, and I use precut mats that sell for $10. I 
print my own pigment inkjets on an Epson R2400. So even when using the best 
Epson papers my cost is only about $5 a print. The gallery where I sell most 
often gets as much as $3000 for some very large prints and typically more like 
$500 for a print in the range of 11 x 14. But I have found that it's better to 
go for volume. But most of my sales are in conjunction with fee-based shoots, 
so the print sales are just gravy on top of the fee. If a subject buys three 
prints at $30 per, I pocket an extra $75. 
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 That's fairly cheap. I sell (for minimal definitions of sell, I'm not 
 actively 
 selling prints, but have made sales) 10x15 pigment inkjet prints on 13x19 
 paper 
 for $175, unmatted. As I don't do my own printing above 8.5x11 size, my cost 
 there is around $80 to get the image printed professionally. I haven't priced 
 out matted  framed, but I'd probably go in the $250-300 range depending on 
 framing costs. 
 
 I base my pricing on what photographers I know who are actively selling 
 charge. 
 That said, I do live in a much larger art market than you(Toronto, which has 
 a 
 very strong market for Photography including a major month-long yearly 
 Photography festival, Contact), so I suspect my market allows for higher 
 pricing.
 
 -Adam 
 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  In gallery shows, I sell matted and framed 11 x 14s for $200. (My cost is 
 about $30 in materials.) If I do a shoot for a commercial client or editorial 
 client, I charge an hourly or daily fee. If the subject wants a print, I 
 usually 
 sell them an 11 x 14 for $30 or an 8 x 10 for $20.
  Paul
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  8'x10 ; 11x14 RC paper.
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Re: OT rant Flash!

2007-09-19 Thread Adam Maas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Bandwidth is dirt cheap for commercial sites, and even cheaper for 
 non-rural consumers. I can get multi-meg Ethernet for less than a 
 T1 cost 4-5 years ago. 
 
 So why load sites down so much that it feels like I'm still on
 dialup, eh?  ;-)  (More importantly:  bandwidth is not the
 ony resource consumed, and if I've got eighty tabs open in
 my browser already, client-CPU-intensive pages slow down even
 if I'm not also running GIMP and Mplayer on the same machine.)

Good design will not permit that. Flash is mostly text and shouldn't be huge. 
Yes people are stupid, but bad designers won't improve by taking away their 
toys.

 
 But that's not my main point.
 
 It's not about stealing photo's, it's about ensuring that your 
 site looks the way you designed it. 
 
 Bzzzt!  You _can't_.  Not reasonably.  You don't know how big my 
 screen is, how much of it I've given to the browser, or what the
 screen resolution is set to.  (Worse, you don't know whether I 
 even have Flash installed in the browser I'm using today -- gee,
 I see an awful lot of interesting-sounding links that lead me to
 an all black page.)  If my screen is a different size then yours,
 then either I'll have to scroll horizontally to read anything
 (one of the faster ways to get me to give up and go read something
 else instead) or leave a big empty space around it.


So you test, and design for the average screen (1024x768 these days). Bigger 
isn't all that much of an issue, and relative sizing can handle a lot of it.

 
 HTML is designed to make such problems go away.  The price?  The
 designer has to give up the I Precisely Control Every Exact Detail
 Absolutely mindset and let the browser, and the user, make  some
 of those decisions.

HTML wasn't designed to do more than present text in a vaguely controllable 
fashion. Everything else has been added in at a later date. And the basic 
design constraints are in many ways inherited from the early versions.

 
 PDF has its purpose, and Flash has its purpose, but there are 
 times -- and on the web, most times are those times -- when you
 should let HTML do what HTML was designed to do.

True. But product pages and other image intensive applications are what Flash 
was designed to do. HTML is designed to display text with the occasional image.

 
 And you _want_ to allow users, especially users with visual impairment
 (okay, we're talking photography, which implies a certain level
 of vision, but some of us need help with the fine print) who want
 to be able to change the font size to read the content that all
 the glitz is supposed to make them want to read.  Or, for that
 matter, to be able to replace a designer's oh so pretty and tasteful
 colour combinations with ones where you can actually read the text
 without getting a headache.

Some designers are idiots. If you've got enough text on the page that it's an 
issue, you SHOULD be using HTML. text is what it's designed for.

 
 You don't want to a) make it harder for spiders to navigate the
 site (usually), b) make it harder for people using different software
 than you expected to navigate the site, c) make it harder for people
 to adjust the look to be easier to read, d) make it difficult or
 impossible for users to bookmark the pages they want or (a big 
 deal) send URLs of those pages to friends who may also be interested ...

a) is an issue, B) isn't because they're a tint fraction of the market (unless 
you're an idiot and not testing against Firefox and Safari in addition to IE), 
c) is one of those things where you may well want to restrict what the user can 
do and d) is both an issue and not one, depending on applications.

 
 Hey, a while back the big problem was sites that replaced all of the 
 perfectly good HTML navigation stuff with Javascript controls that
 broke for blind users, security-conscious users, and anyone using
 a text browser.  Now it's Flash instead, which I'm given to understand
 is less of a security issue but is still a problem on the other 
 counts.  I don't think it's mostly about making it look right
 everywhere (even when the user is deparately trying to change it 
 so they can read it) most of the time; I think it's about having 
 to out-glitz the last web designer to get the client's attention, or
 marketing folks hung up on what would e pretty in a television
 commercial.

Simply put, HTML navigation works well for simple sites, but isn't up to 
handling complex sites where nice little things like drop-down menus help. 
Javascript and Flash do that very well (and Flash won't have the security 
issues Javascript has had). Yes, some people do a lot of stupid crap with 
Flash, but there are quite a few simple and well done flash-based sites.

 
   -- Glenn
 
 PS:  Yes, I do still use a text browser.  If I want to look 
 something up in a hurry, or instantly strip out accented letters
 and 

Re: OT rant Flash!

2007-09-19 Thread Igor Roshchin

I agree with all people who dislike the website navigation
done with Flash. I believe, that it is just one of those waves.
Earlier, we've seen animated gifs all over the websites
with things jumping at you; background music playing as long as your
browser is open with a particular page, unwarranted Java-based pages,
etc. People who first encounter something that is looks different
tend to use that, thinking it is cool. And if the customers pays,
web-designers do what is ordered.
I think this trend of flash-based web-pages will pass sooner or later.

However, I think that the statement from you, Glenn, quoted below
is not completely correct. Indeed, the idea behind HTML was to make
it universal for all platforms and browsers. However, the implementation
is far from that. This drives some web-designers to use a more unified
way such as Flash, Java-plugin, etc.
There are some web-page needs which
are rather hard to implement properly in HTML (even with javascript),
for exactly the reasons you listed: variations in the browser window size,
browser type, and (what is hard to catch in Windows) - font size.
E.g. if you configure your Windows to use large fonts (125%),
the pages that rely on certain width (e.g. with tables), - may
be messed up. Yes, there are some ways around that, but most of them
are not elegant.

On another hand, the flash-based viewers provided by LightRoom have
capability of determining the browser window size and display the photos
in the size most suitable for it (small, medium, large, according to
their definitions).
I think that is a easy and relatively good (compared to what else is
currently available) solution.

So, even though I use lynx sometimes, and prefer text-based menus on 
webpages, I think the Flash viewer for photo galleries may be a good
solution. The main downside to it is that the Flash-based viewers
provided by LightRoom load all the photos at once, which maybe
bad for a large gallery.
BTW, Flash viewers don't really protect photos from being stolen:
it deters only some inexperienced users (security by obscurity).
All those photos ARE downloaded and saved on your computer when
you watch them.

Igor


Wed Sep 19 15:01:41 EDT 2007
dglenn wrote:

  It's not about stealing photo's, it's about ensuring that your 
  site looks the way you designed it. 
 
 Bzzzt!  You _can't_.  Not reasonably.  You don't know how big my 
 screen is, how much of it I've given to the browser, or what the
 screen resolution is set to.  (Worse, you don't know whether I 
 even have Flash installed in the browser I'm using today -- gee,
 I see an awful lot of interesting-sounding links that lead me to
 an all black page.)  If my screen is a different size then yours,
 then either I'll have to scroll horizontally to read anything
 (one of the faster ways to get me to give up and go read something
 else instead) or leave a big empty space around it.
 
 HTML is designed to make such problems go away.  The price?  The
 designer has to give up the I Precisely Control Every Exact Detail
 Absolutely mindset and let the browser, and the user, make  some
 of those decisions.


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Re: Hoya-Pentax Future - News

2007-09-19 Thread Toralf Lund

 [ ... ]
 Honest question:
 Does Pentax announce it when they cease production of any item, no matter 
 what?
   
Very good question.

I did get a pretty firm the f/1.7 variant has been discontinued when I 
asked the local distributor about the availability of normal lenses 
before I bought the one mentioned earlier. I'm not sure, however, that 
such responses are the rule, or if Pentax themselves would say it. (The 
distributor in question is an independent company, as far as I know.)

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Re: How much do you sell your prints for?

2007-09-19 Thread Igor Roshchin


Paul,

You forgot to count the cost of the printer ink.
I wonder how much that adds to the total cost 
(I have no idea how long the cartridges last in R2400).

On a different but related subject, - do you (or anybody else here on the 
list) - coat your prints with the UV-protective coatings?
One of the local professional labs that I am offers this option
- to protect the ink from fading.
Any experience with that? Is yes, what do you use and where do you get
the supplies?

Thanks,

Igor

Wed Sep 19 15:12:38 EDT 2007
pnstenquist wrote:

 My cost for matting and framing is only $30. Gallery makes some nice wood 
 frames that sell for around $15, and I use precut mats that sell for $10. 
 I print my own pigment inkjets on an Epson R2400. So even when using the 
 best Epson papers my cost is only about $5 a print. The gallery where I 
 sell most often gets as much as $3000 for some very large prints and 
 typically more like $500 for a print in the range of 11 x 14. But I have 
 found that it's better to go for volume. But most of my sales are in 
 conjunction with fee-based shoots, so the print sales are just gravy on 
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Re: GESO: For Grace Fans Only:-)

2007-09-19 Thread Derby Chang
Paul Stenquist wrote:
 Nothing great here in terms of photos, but some fun pics from Grace's  
 third birthday. Note also the cake built around a Barbie doll. My  
 wife used to be the head pastry chef at a very good bakery. She still  
 knows how to do it. Enjoy.
 http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=766976

   

So cute. Even the dresses match.

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PESO - Retro vs. Artsy

2007-09-19 Thread Igor Roshchin

I seldom do much of processing of photos, except for
exposure/brighness/constrast, white-balance and sharpness adjustments,
and occasional minor touch-ups.

I recently played with a few shots taken at Camp Hollywood 2007 
(huge swing-dance event in Los Angeles). It must've been the spirit
of the event that inspired me: they had theme nights for social dances
all three days (Chinatown, Pearl Harbor, and Grease) and live
music with great jazz bands.
I posted couple of shots here several weeks ago.

Here are two galleries with two different renditions of the same
shots: Retro and Artsy. 
http://42graphy.komkon.org/CampHollywood-2007/Retro/index.html
http://42graphy.komkon.org/CampHollywood-2007/Artsy/index.html

I am still not sure if the artsy style works for all photos
(except for the Time Warp that I've posted before).

Your comments, suggestions, and critique are welcome as always.

Igor

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Re: OT - Shuttle pics

2007-09-19 Thread Gonz
Staged, actually taken in a secret propaganda studio in the Nevada
dessert somewhere

;)



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Re: How much do you sell your prints for?

2007-09-19 Thread pnstenquist
Five dollars per print includes ink cost. The paper is about $2.50 a sheet, so 
I'm guessing the ink is about the same.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 Paul,
 
 You forgot to count the cost of the printer ink.
 I wonder how much that adds to the total cost 
 (I have no idea how long the cartridges last in R2400).
 
 On a different but related subject, - do you (or anybody else here on the 
 list) - coat your prints with the UV-protective coatings?
 One of the local professional labs that I am offers this option
 - to protect the ink from fading.
 Any experience with that? Is yes, what do you use and where do you get
 the supplies?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Igor
 
 Wed Sep 19 15:12:38 EDT 2007
 pnstenquist wrote:
 
  My cost for matting and framing is only $30. Gallery makes some nice wood 
  frames that sell for around $15, and I use precut mats that sell for $10. 
  I print my own pigment inkjets on an Epson R2400. So even when using the 
  best Epson papers my cost is only about $5 a print. The gallery where I 
  sell most often gets as much as $3000 for some very large prints and 
  typically more like $500 for a print in the range of 11 x 14. But I have 
  found that it's better to go for volume. But most of my sales are in 
  conjunction with fee-based shoots, so the print sales are just gravy on 
  top of the fee. If a subject buys three prints at $30 per, I pocket an 
  extra $75.
 
 
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Metz Flash

2007-09-19 Thread Frits Wüthrich
There was a discussion some time ago about a Metz flash for the K10D and other 
DSLRs from Pentax, the 58AF 1P. Technikdirect has it now for 300 euro, 
shipping in 1 to 2 days.
http://www.technikdirekt.de/main/en/foto/fotodigital/blitzgeraete-zubehoer/176029/-/Article.html?
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Re: Metz Flash

2007-09-19 Thread Thibouille
Mmm quite a lot less expensiva that I thought it would be.
Very interested in it and waiting for comments about it !

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Re: Nikon D300 sample photos

2007-09-19 Thread Thibouille
2007/9/16, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Actually the image looks surprisingly film like.

Mmm I have to admit I didn't look at it from that angle.
Still seems very strange to me but maybe my brain (or eyes) are
already too much used to usual digital-CCD-like grain.

Maybe I should take my KX for a couple BW shots.

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Re: PUG themes for 2008

2007-09-19 Thread Igor Roshchin

I guess it stands for 7 themes:
e, t, c, ., ., ., ..
:-)

Igor

Wed Sep 19 16:23:01 EDT 2007
Rebekah wrote:


is etc a theme?

rg2

On 9/19/07, Walter Hamler whamler at cfl.rr.com wrote:
 Travel
 Food
 Shoes
 Patterns
 Love
 Macro
 Circles
 etc

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Re: Upcoming October PUG and ultimatum

2007-09-19 Thread Rebekah
You know, it's not even fall yet.

rg2

On 9/18/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 9/18/07, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Dave Kennedy wrote:
   Is the size limit still 600 longest side?
  
  No, it's not.  The upload form limits the photo to 256k.  The software
  I'm currently using will automagically resize the photo to a maximum of
  720 on the long side, so you don't need to worry about the actual
  dimensions of the photo.
 
  The current form is here:  http://pdmlpug.org/?p=13
 
 

 I got one!

 I just have to remember to re-size it at home tonight and send it in.
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Re: PUG themes for 2008

2007-09-19 Thread Rebekah
i think it would be an interesting theme

rg2

On 9/19/07, Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I guess it stands for 7 themes:
 e, t, c, ., ., ., ..
 :-)

 Igor

 Wed Sep 19 16:23:01 EDT 2007
 Rebekah wrote:


 is etc a theme?

 rg2

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Re: GESO - Explorations fo Sudbury

2007-09-19 Thread Adam Maas
Rick,

What don't you like about the viewer? And do you have anything to recommend 
instead? I've generally been impressed by Autoviewer, it's lightweight for a 
flash viewer and doesn't intrude much (The slowness is more a case of my poor 
upload bandwidth than the viewer itself)

-Adam


Rick Womer wrote:
 Adam,
 
 The pics are nice (I especially like the last one),
 but the viewer is awful.
 
 Rick
 
 --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I've put together a gallery of my landscapish work
 from Sudbury, ON. 
 It's mostly MF stuff, but some 35mm and some
 digital. All shots have 
 been taken within 5 minutes drive of the downtown
 core except for the 
 creek and the billboard, which were both shot in the
 New Sudbury 
 commercial area. Sudbury's an interesting city, one
 of the few cities of 
 160,000 where you can walk from the downtown core to
 utter wilderness in 
 a reasonable time, and drive there in 5 minutes.

 http://www.mawz.ca/sets/sudbury/index.html

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Re: OT rant Flash!

2007-09-19 Thread Igor Roshchin

Adam,

For what it's worth, - see this opinion:
http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=222044cid=17992648

Let me quote from there just one point relevant to the text browsers:
(the author of that comment also discusses the screen size issue)
''For example, if you are operating a Web site in the US (or in many
cases the EU or Canada) anti-discrimination laws mean you'd better make
your site accessible. And that means accessible to someone using a
text-based browser such as Lynx, as well as a text reader. See the
American Disabilities Act and the 508 laws.''

:-)
I seldom think about this, but indeed, - try to run a screen reader
(it is available in Windows - you may need to activate it via
Accessibility options in Control Panel)
on a website of your choice. You'll be surprised the gibberish you hear.


Igor


Wed Sep 19 15:28:09 EDT 2007
Adam Maas wrote:

...
So you test, and design for the average screen (1024x768 these days).
...

Frankly, text browsers are completely obsolete. Useful in certain
limited circumstances, yes. But obsolete, and they have been for years.
I've not found an actual need for a text browser in years, and even my
*NIX machines don't have one installed. I don't think you can seriously
expect designers to design against a browser with at most a few thousand
users. And I seriously doubt that any text browser has more than a few
thousand users today (Barring WAP browsers and such on PDA's and Smart
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Re: PUG themes for 2008

2007-09-19 Thread Rebekah
is etc a theme?

rg2

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Re: GESO - Explorations fo Sudbury

2007-09-19 Thread pnstenquist
Hi Adam,
I missed this post earlier. I tried looking at the gallery using Firefox on a 
Mac at work. Only the first image was visible. The others all appeared about 
80% out of frame.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Rick,
 
 What don't you like about the viewer? And do you have anything to recommend 
 instead? I've generally been impressed by Autoviewer, it's lightweight for a 
 flash viewer and doesn't intrude much (The slowness is more a case of my poor 
 upload bandwidth than the viewer itself)
 
 -Adam
 
 
 Rick Womer wrote:
  Adam,
  
  The pics are nice (I especially like the last one),
  but the viewer is awful.
  
  Rick
  
  --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I've put together a gallery of my landscapish work
  from Sudbury, ON. 
  It's mostly MF stuff, but some 35mm and some
  digital. All shots have 
  been taken within 5 minutes drive of the downtown
  core except for the 
  creek and the billboard, which were both shot in the
  New Sudbury 
  commercial area. Sudbury's an interesting city, one
  of the few cities of 
  160,000 where you can walk from the downtown core to
  utter wilderness in 
  a reasonable time, and drive there in 5 minutes.
 
  http://www.mawz.ca/sets/sudbury/index.html
 
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Re: Metz Flash

2007-09-19 Thread Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu
On 9/19/07, Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 There was a discussion some time ago about a Metz flash for the K10D and other
 DSLRs from Pentax, the 58AF 1P. Technikdirect has it now for 300 euro,
 shipping in 1 to 2 days.
 http://www.technikdirekt.de/main/en/foto/fotodigital/blitzgeraete-zubehoer/176029/-/Article.html?
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Do you know if it's 100% compatible with K10D? (including e.g. wireless)
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RE: PUG themes for 2008

2007-09-19 Thread Bob W
Why not combine 12 and 8, then we could have Kenny Slap.

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 Subject: Re: PUG themes for 2008
 
 
 1 - Wide Aperture
 2 - Pixel Peeping
 3 - Purple Fringe
 4 - What the F in f-stop Really Stands For
 5 - In Decent Exposure
 6 - Auntie Alias
 7 - Macro Panoramas
 8 - Mirror Slap
 9 - My Favorite Histogram
 10 - In the RAW
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 Transfer Function as Pertaining to the Rendering of Out-of-Focus
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Re: GESO - Explorations fo Sudbury

2007-09-19 Thread Rebekah
use flash.  it seems to be so popular ;)

rg2

On 9/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Adam,
 I missed this post earlier. I tried looking at the gallery using Firefox on a 
 Mac at work. Only the first image was visible. The others all appeared about 
 80% out of frame.
 Paul
  -- Original message --
 From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Rick,
 
  What don't you like about the viewer? And do you have anything to recommend
  instead? I've generally been impressed by Autoviewer, it's lightweight for a
  flash viewer and doesn't intrude much (The slowness is more a case of my 
  poor
  upload bandwidth than the viewer itself)
 
  -Adam
 
 
  Rick Womer wrote:
   Adam,
  
   The pics are nice (I especially like the last one),
   but the viewer is awful.
  
   Rick
  
   --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I've put together a gallery of my landscapish work
   from Sudbury, ON.
   It's mostly MF stuff, but some 35mm and some
   digital. All shots have
   been taken within 5 minutes drive of the downtown
   core except for the
   creek and the billboard, which were both shot in the
   New Sudbury
   commercial area. Sudbury's an interesting city, one
   of the few cities of
   160,000 where you can walk from the downtown core to
   utter wilderness in
   a reasonable time, and drive there in 5 minutes.
  
   http://www.mawz.ca/sets/sudbury/index.html
  
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Re: OT - Shuttle pics

2007-09-19 Thread frank theriault
On 9/18/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Space nuts have a look at these wonderful snaps. Warning - large file
 sizes. Excellent quality.

 http://www.texasjim.com/NASApix/NASA%20pix.htm

Hey,

It's the Canadarm!  Canada in space!

So, anyone have any idea what these photos may have been taken with?

Thanks for the cool pix, Cotty.

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Re: Hoya-Pentax Future - News

2007-09-19 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 20/09/2007, Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I did get a pretty firm the f/1.7 variant has been discontinued when I
 asked the local distributor about the availability of normal lenses
 before I bought the one mentioned earlier. I'm not sure, however, that
 such responses are the rule, or if Pentax themselves would say it. (The
 distributor in question is an independent company, as far as I know.)

My local distributor claimed that the LX had been discontinued as new
models were made available in Japan, so don't believe all they tell
you. They may just mean they they have ceased to sell and support the
particular item.

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Re: Metz Flash

2007-09-19 Thread Paul Sorenson
Interesting - don't see it listed on BH or Adorama yet.

-p

Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu wrote:
 On 9/19/07, Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 There was a discussion some time ago about a Metz flash for the K10D and 
 other
 DSLRs from Pentax, the 58AF 1P. Technikdirect has it now for 300 euro,
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Re: The Cult of Leica

2007-09-19 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 20/09/2007, John Graves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't know about that..I have an M4...the last of the bench built
 Leicas.  It also is a fantastic machine as well as a great camera.  The
 sound of a Leica going off is delicious just by itself. I think that
 bringing any Leica to your eye changes your  viewpoint because the
 emphasis is seeing what the lens sees rather than just looking into a
 slr viewport.

I love my M4, I've thought about selling it a few times as it's rarely
used these days but I just can't bring myself to do it.

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Re: GESO - Explorations fo Sudbury

2007-09-19 Thread Adam Maas
Rebekah,

The viewer in question is written in Flash ;-)

-Adam


Rebekah wrote:
 use flash.  it seems to be so popular ;)
 
 rg2
 
 On 9/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Adam,
 I missed this post earlier. I tried looking at the gallery using Firefox on 
 a Mac at work. Only the first image was visible. The others all appeared 
 about 80% out of frame.
 Paul
  -- Original message --
 From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Rick,

 What don't you like about the viewer? And do you have anything to recommend
 instead? I've generally been impressed by Autoviewer, it's lightweight for a
 flash viewer and doesn't intrude much (The slowness is more a case of my 
 poor
 upload bandwidth than the viewer itself)

 -Adam


 Rick Womer wrote:
 Adam,

 The pics are nice (I especially like the last one),
 but the viewer is awful.

 Rick

 --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've put together a gallery of my landscapish work
 from Sudbury, ON.
 It's mostly MF stuff, but some 35mm and some
 digital. All shots have
 been taken within 5 minutes drive of the downtown
 core except for the
 creek and the billboard, which were both shot in the
 New Sudbury
 commercial area. Sudbury's an interesting city, one
 of the few cities of
 160,000 where you can walk from the downtown core to
 utter wilderness in
 a reasonable time, and drive there in 5 minutes.

 http://www.mawz.ca/sets/sudbury/index.html

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Re: OT - Shuttle pics

2007-09-19 Thread P. J. Alling
Are you channeling frank now?

Gonz wrote:
 Staged, actually taken in a secret propaganda studio in the Nevada
 dessert somewhere

 ;)



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RE: spam: RE: PUG themes for 2008

2007-09-19 Thread Bill Owens
Then for number 12, we could have aperture simulator

Bill

-Original Message-
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W
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 5:08 PM
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Subject: spam: RE: PUG themes for 2008

Why not combine 12 and 8, then we could have Kenny Slap.

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 Sent: 19 September 2007 14:44
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 Subject: Re: PUG themes for 2008
 
 
 1 - Wide Aperture
 2 - Pixel Peeping
 3 - Purple Fringe
 4 - What the F in f-stop Really Stands For
 5 - In Decent Exposure
 6 - Auntie Alias
 7 - Macro Panoramas
 8 - Mirror Slap
 9 - My Favorite Histogram
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RE: OT - Shuttle pics

2007-09-19 Thread Tom C
Could've landed in Peru.

Tom C.


From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:33:23 -0400

On a previous flight they lost a Nikon (AFAIK it's still in orbit)

Bill

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On 9/18/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Space nuts have a look at these wonderful snaps. Warning - large file
  sizes. Excellent quality.
 
  http://www.texasjim.com/NASApix/NASA%20pix.htm

Hey,

It's the Canadarm!  Canada in space!

So, anyone have any idea what these photos may have been taken with?

Thanks for the cool pix, Cotty.

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Re: OT - Shuttle pics

2007-09-19 Thread graywolf
Naw, it is an animation series done on an old Linux Laptop by a 12 year old kid 
in West Africa while herding his families goats.


Gonz wrote:
 Staged, actually taken in a secret propaganda studio in the Nevada
 dessert somewhere
 
 ;)
 
 
 
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Re: GESO - Explorations fo Sudbury

2007-09-19 Thread P. J. Alling
Apparently poorly...

Adam Maas wrote:
 Rebekah,

 The viewer in question is written in Flash ;-)

 -Adam


 Rebekah wrote:
   
 use flash.  it seems to be so popular ;)

 rg2

 On 9/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi Adam,
 I missed this post earlier. I tried looking at the gallery using Firefox on 
 a Mac at work. Only the first image was visible. The others all appeared 
 about 80% out of frame.
 Paul
  -- Original message --
 From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
 Rick,

 What don't you like about the viewer? And do you have anything to recommend
 instead? I've generally been impressed by Autoviewer, it's lightweight for 
 a
 flash viewer and doesn't intrude much (The slowness is more a case of my 
 poor
 upload bandwidth than the viewer itself)

 -Adam


 Rick Womer wrote:
 
 Adam,

 The pics are nice (I especially like the last one),
 but the viewer is awful.

 Rick

 --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 I've put together a gallery of my landscapish work
 from Sudbury, ON.
 It's mostly MF stuff, but some 35mm and some
 digital. All shots have
 been taken within 5 minutes drive of the downtown
 core except for the
 creek and the billboard, which were both shot in the
 New Sudbury
 commercial area. Sudbury's an interesting city, one
 of the few cities of
 160,000 where you can walk from the downtown core to
 utter wilderness in
 a reasonable time, and drive there in 5 minutes.

 http://www.mawz.ca/sets/sudbury/index.html

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Re: RE: PUG themes for 2008

2007-09-19 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W wrote:

Why not combine 12 and 8, then we could have Kenny Slap.

He'd probably *enjoy* it.


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Re: GESO: For Grace Fans Only:-)

2007-09-19 Thread Igor Roshchin

Some nice shots there, Paul!

I agree with others, http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6435196 
is a great catch!

One thought-idea for a shot:
Grace and the cake in the same shot, so that her dress is juxtaposed
with the cake's figurette dress. 
The fact that V-shaped cut of the two dresses are in the opposite
directions (up and down) - could play a role.

.. but the cake is long gone..

Another interesting combination is here:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6435180
Grace in her yellow dress and the doll in hers, but the rest of the
colorful objects in the frame hide this juxtaposition.
It would've been great if the rest of the objects/colors were neutral.

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Re: OT - Shuttle pics

2007-09-19 Thread John Sessoms
From: David Mann

 On Sep 19, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Cotty wrote:
 
 Space nuts have a look at these wonderful snaps. Warning - large file
 sizes. Excellent quality.

 http://www.texasjim.com/NASApix/NASA%20pix.htm
 
 I'm in the second one but you might have to squint a bit. 

Holding up a sign that reads Hi Mom! Send Money as they passed 
overhead no doubt.  ;-D

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Re: OT rant Flash!

2007-09-19 Thread graywolf
I admit that I do not bother worrying about Lynx compatability any longer. I 
have not met anyone who even knew what it is in years.

For those reading this who do not, it is a text based web browser.


Charles Robinson wrote:
 On Sep 19, 2007, at 13:17, Mark Roberts wrote:
 
 I feel your pain. I continue to assign an F to any of my students  
 who
 makes a web site that uses Flash without providing standard, non-Flash
 alternative functionality. Shall I send you a copy nect time it
 happens? ;-)

 
 I used to strive for lynx compatibility when designing web pages.   
 I'm not so sure that even my own are compatible with lynx anymore...  
 (Hmm... maybe it is!)
 
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Re: GESO - Explorations fo Sudbury

2007-09-19 Thread Rebekah
The viewer in question is written in Flash ;-)

somehow right after I clicked send I had the thought that you would
say that. ;) the pictures are nice, by the way.  I like the mossy rock
the most, it looks like a gerat place to sit and enjoy lunch.

rg2

On 9/19/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Apparently poorly...

 Adam Maas wrote:
  Rebekah,
 
  The viewer in question is written in Flash ;-)
 
  -Adam
 
 
  Rebekah wrote:
 
  use flash.  it seems to be so popular ;)
 
  rg2
 
  On 9/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi Adam,
  I missed this post earlier. I tried looking at the gallery using Firefox 
  on a Mac at work. Only the first image was visible. The others all 
  appeared about 80% out of frame.
  Paul
   -- Original message --
  From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Rick,
 
  What don't you like about the viewer? And do you have anything to 
  recommend
  instead? I've generally been impressed by Autoviewer, it's lightweight 
  for a
  flash viewer and doesn't intrude much (The slowness is more a case of my 
  poor
  upload bandwidth than the viewer itself)
 
  -Adam
 
 
  Rick Womer wrote:
 
  Adam,
 
  The pics are nice (I especially like the last one),
  but the viewer is awful.
 
  Rick
 
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  I've put together a gallery of my landscapish work
  from Sudbury, ON.
  It's mostly MF stuff, but some 35mm and some
  digital. All shots have
  been taken within 5 minutes drive of the downtown
  core except for the
  creek and the billboard, which were both shot in the
  New Sudbury
  commercial area. Sudbury's an interesting city, one
  of the few cities of
  160,000 where you can walk from the downtown core to
  utter wilderness in
  a reasonable time, and drive there in 5 minutes.
 
  http://www.mawz.ca/sets/sudbury/index.html
 
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OT - Pirate Talk

2007-09-19 Thread Cotty
LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWgxuc45YCY



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PUG themes for 2008

2007-09-19 Thread Walter Hamler
is etc a theme?

rg2

Rebekah,
It might be!  The folks on this list are capable of just about anything when 
theer is a camera present!!!

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Re: Upcoming October PUG and ultimatum

2007-09-19 Thread Brian Walters
True.  Six months away here..

:-)


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 You know, it's not even fall yet.
 
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Is the size limit still 600 longest side?
   
   No, it's not.  The upload form limits the photo to 256k.  The
 software
   I'm currently using will automagically resize the photo to a
 maximum of
   720 on the long side, so you don't need to worry about the
 actual
   dimensions of the photo.
  
   The current form is here:  http://pdmlpug.org/?p=13
  
  
 
  I got one!
 
  I just have to remember to re-size it at home tonight and send it
 in.
  I'd like to get back into the habit of posting PUGs now that that
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Re: GESO - Explorations fo Sudbury

2007-09-19 Thread Rick Womer
Adam,

The pics are nice (I especially like the last one),
but the viewer is awful.

Rick

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 I've put together a gallery of my landscapish work
 from Sudbury, ON. 
 It's mostly MF stuff, but some 35mm and some
 digital. All shots have 
 been taken within 5 minutes drive of the downtown
 core except for the 
 creek and the billboard, which were both shot in the
 New Sudbury 
 commercial area. Sudbury's an interesting city, one
 of the few cities of 
 160,000 where you can walk from the downtown core to
 utter wilderness in 
 a reasonable time, and drive there in 5 minutes.
 
 http://www.mawz.ca/sets/sudbury/index.html
 
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Re: OT - Shuttle pics

2007-09-19 Thread Cotty
On 19/09/07, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:

How tall are you, exactly?

Exactly? Six feet five inches. Why?

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Re: OT - Shuttle pics

2007-09-19 Thread Cotty
On 19/09/07, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed:

Why?

d'oh

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Help! Blur and moire in the picture

2007-09-19 Thread Igor Roshchin

... and I cannot do anything to get rid of it.
See for yourself:
http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Mixed-2005-2007/BlurMoire-IMGP7964.jpg

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RE: OT - Shuttle pics

2007-09-19 Thread Bill Owens
On a previous flight they lost a Nikon (AFAIK it's still in orbit)

Bill

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Subject: Re: OT - Shuttle pics

On 9/18/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Space nuts have a look at these wonderful snaps. Warning - large file
 sizes. Excellent quality.

 http://www.texasjim.com/NASApix/NASA%20pix.htm

Hey,

It's the Canadarm!  Canada in space!

So, anyone have any idea what these photos may have been taken with?

Thanks for the cool pix, Cotty.

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Re: The Cult of Leica

2007-09-19 Thread graywolf
IIRC, he originally said that he has seen that happen but didn't get the photo, 
so did a recreation of it. Decades later he claimed it was not staged. So you 
decide.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 BTW, I remember reading that Eisenstaedt's Times Square smooch was staged. 
 True? Apparently the writer of the article doesn't think so.
 Paul
  -- Original message --
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 Yeah, I feel a Leica moment coming on. My IIIf needs shutter exercise 
 anyway. 
 Now if I can just find that Tri-X in the back of the freezer. It's all Bob's 
 fault:-).
 Paul
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 On 9/19/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/09/24/070924fa_fact_lane/

 It's not a real Leica (being that the body, while designed in
 Wetzlar, was made by Minolta in Japan), but I really must pull out my
 CL and take it for a walk.

 Thanks for a terrific read, Bob!

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Re: The Cult of Leica

2007-09-19 Thread graywolf
Just laziness, that's all.

frank theriault wrote:
 On 9/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yeah, I feel a Leica moment coming on. My IIIf needs shutter exercise 
 anyway. Now if I can just find that Tri-X in the back of the freezer. It's 
 all Bob's fault:-).
 
 I have to say, Paul, while I hope to be shooting TriX in my Leica for
 a long long time, I'm amazed at how quickly I've been converted by
 the siren-call of digital.
 
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Re: OT - Shuttle pics

2007-09-19 Thread Kenneth Waller
 So, anyone have any idea what these photos may have been taken with?

A camera.

I'm really surprised Knarf. A few threads ago you stated all you needed was 
a camera.

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Subject: Re: OT - Shuttle pics


 On 9/18/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Space nuts have a look at these wonderful snaps. Warning - large file
 sizes. Excellent quality.

 http://www.texasjim.com/NASApix/NASA%20pix.htm

 Hey,

 It's the Canadarm!  Canada in space!

 So, anyone have any idea what these photos may have been taken with?

 Thanks for the cool pix, Cotty.

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Re: PUG themes for 2008

2007-09-19 Thread Kenneth Waller
 is etc a theme?

No but Walt is. ;-}

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Subject: Re: PUG themes for 2008


 is etc a theme?
 
 rg2
 
 On 9/19/07, Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Travel
 Food
 Shoes
 Patterns
 Love
 Macro
 Circles
 etc

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Re: OT - Shuttle pics

2007-09-19 Thread John Sessoms
From: keith_w

 David Mann wrote:
 On Sep 19, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Cotty wrote:
 
 Space nuts have a look at these wonderful snaps. Warning - large
 file sizes. Excellent quality.
 
 http://www.texasjim.com/NASApix/NASA%20pix.htm
 
 I'm in the second one but you might have to squint a bit.
 
 I'm not clear what coast that is... Might be the Mississippi bleeding
 into the gulf, but something tells me it isn't.

I'm pretty sure they're all from different missions. I spent some time 
digging through NASA's on-line image databases to find number 2 ...

 S116-E-05983 (12 Dec. 2006) --- Backdropped by New Zealand and Cook
 Strait in the Pacific Ocean, astronaut Robert L. Curbeam Jr. (left)
 and European Space Agency (ESA) astronaut Christer Fuglesang, both
 STS-116 mission specialists, participate in the mission's first of
 three planned sessions of extravehicular activity (EVA) as
 construction continues on the International Space Station. Cook
 Strait divides New Zealand's North and South Islands.

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Re: GESO - Explorations fo Sudbury

2007-09-19 Thread Adam Maas

Sadly, that spot is right at roadside on a relatively busy road. 
Otherwise it wuld be a great place to stop for lunch.

Glad you liked them.

-Adam

Rebekah wrote:
 The viewer in question is written in Flash ;-)
 
 somehow right after I clicked send I had the thought that you would
 say that. ;) the pictures are nice, by the way.  I like the mossy rock
 the most, it looks like a gerat place to sit and enjoy lunch.
 
 rg2
 
 On 9/19/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Apparently poorly...

 Adam Maas wrote:
 Rebekah,

 The viewer in question is written in Flash ;-)

 -Adam


 Rebekah wrote:

 use flash.  it seems to be so popular ;)

 rg2

 On 9/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Adam,
 I missed this post earlier. I tried looking at the gallery using Firefox 
 on a Mac at work. Only the first image was visible. The others all 
 appeared about 80% out of frame.
 Paul
  -- Original message --
 From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Rick,

 What don't you like about the viewer? And do you have anything to 
 recommend
 instead? I've generally been impressed by Autoviewer, it's lightweight 
 for a
 flash viewer and doesn't intrude much (The slowness is more a case of my 
 poor
 upload bandwidth than the viewer itself)

 -Adam


 Rick Womer wrote:

 Adam,

 The pics are nice (I especially like the last one),
 but the viewer is awful.

 Rick

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 I've put together a gallery of my landscapish work
 from Sudbury, ON.
 It's mostly MF stuff, but some 35mm and some
 digital. All shots have
 been taken within 5 minutes drive of the downtown
 core except for the
 creek and the billboard, which were both shot in the
 New Sudbury
 commercial area. Sudbury's an interesting city, one
 of the few cities of
 160,000 where you can walk from the downtown core to
 utter wilderness in
 a reasonable time, and drive there in 5 minutes.

 http://www.mawz.ca/sets/sudbury/index.html

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Re: Help! Blur and moire in the picture

2007-09-19 Thread P. J. Alling
HA.

Igor Roshchin wrote:
 ... and I cannot do anything to get rid of it.
 See for yourself:
 http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Mixed-2005-2007/BlurMoire-IMGP7964.jpg

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Re: How much do you sell your prints for?

2007-09-19 Thread Kenneth Waller
I've sold 12 X 18 matted with metal frame for as much as $300 to as little 
as $200.
Prints alone for $75.

8 X10 matted with metal frames between $75  $125.
Prints alone for $30.

HTH

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Re: The Cult of Leica

2007-09-19 Thread John Sessoms
From: pnstenquist

 BTW, I remember reading that Eisenstaedt's Times Square smooch was
 staged. True? Apparently the writer of the article doesn't think so. 
 Paul


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Re: The Cult of Leica

2007-09-19 Thread graywolf
Gullibles travels. That photo appeared in Life Magazine in 1945. Back then 
there 
were two people in the US who did not at least browse through Life Magazine, 
they were both in a coma (hypebole for emphasis). And it took 50+ years to find 
the people in the photo.

HCB himself told the story both ways.



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 BTW, I remember reading that Eisenstaedt's Times Square smooch was 
 staged. True? Apparently the writer of the article doesn't think so.
 
 Nope. That was a genuine grab shot. They just recently succeeded in 
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Re: Metz Flash

2007-09-19 Thread Frits Wüthrich
On Wednesday 19 September 2007 22:23, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu wrote:
 On 9/19/07, Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  There was a discussion some time ago about a Metz flash for the K10D and
  other DSLRs from Pentax, the 58AF 1P. Technikdirect has it now for 300
  euro, shipping in 1 to 2 days.
  http://www.technikdirekt.de/main/en/foto/fotodigital/blitzgeraete-zubehoe
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 Do you know if it's 100% compatible with K10D? (including e.g. wireless)

 From Metz's it seems it is, but just to be sure...

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All the compatibilities are listed. Wireless, slave etc.
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Re: Film/slide scanning

2007-09-19 Thread Doug Franklin
Rebekah wrote:
 Thanks Doug, I think you've made me even more nervous about having my
 slides scanned now!  No really, that was all good to know.  I'm going
 to read about GA like you suggested.  Maybe I'll just have them
 scanned at 3000dpi, or better yet, just wait until I get my own
 scanner :-)

Well, I didn't intend to scare you off.  I intended something more along
the lines of letting you know what /could/ happen ... not leave you with
the impression that it would or probably would happen.  I'm sorry for
doing that.  It occasionally happens, and when it does, it's almost
always on a photo you really want to salvage.

But it's not all that common, viewed in the large.  It happens mostly
with particular films scanned with particular scanners.  Avoid those
combinations, and your pretty much golden.

GA also seems to be more common with consumer grade equipment.  I
haven't heard much in the way of whining about GA happening on
professionally done scans.  Maybe it happens but they've got more
adjustments or better technology to take care of it when it does, so the
customer never sees it.

The rest of this is just sort of FYI explaining what causes it ...

GA is a fact of life at certain resolutions.  Basically, if the average
size of a film grain (actually dye cloud on color films and
chromogenic B+W films) is similar to the size of the sensor's pixels,
things can get colorifically strange when the grains and the pixel wells
overlap each other in some ways.

Actually, it's when the size of the image of the dye cloud projected
onto the sensor is similar in size to the sensor's pixel.  Similar in
this case seems to be somewhere around plus/minus half an order of
magnitude.

You can get similar issues when making any medium transfer, including
copying film to film.  It's just that on both films, the grains are more
or less randomly distributed, both spatially and in size.  Which means
that the erroneous grains are also more or less randomly distributed.
 This takes the sting out of it for the human visual system, and it's
much less noticeable.

OTOH, the pixels on a sensor are rigidly and regularly distributed and
sized.  The erroneous pixels are still more or less randomly
distributed, but somewhat less randomly than above.  And they're less
randomly distributed by being on a harshly rectilinear grid of fixed
size features.  That makes the effects stand out to human eyes when it
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PESO 2007 - 39c - GDG

2007-09-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Seems a week for different thoughts. Went out walking this morning  
while it was still quite dim and had the Panasonic L1 fitted with a  
Pentax K17/4 Fish-Eye lens (on the way to Cotty ... thanks for  
letting me shoot with it a little bit!). I thought I'd experiment  
with getting something soft and and texture-ish so I racked up the  
ISO to 800 and underexposed by a bit. Results here ...

   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/39c.htm

Comments, critique, etc always appreciated.

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Re: The Cult of Leica

2007-09-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 18, 2007, at 9:15 PM, Bob W wrote:

 http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/09/24/070924fa_fact_lane/

Nice article, thanks for posting the link.

I enjoyed my Leica lenses and cameras immensely ... All told I had  
the IIc, IIf, IIIf, M3, M4-P (x2), and M6TTL over the period from  
1969 to 2002.

It was the Leica-design Vario-Elmarit 14-50mm ASPH OIS zoom that  
encouraged me to try the Panasonic L1 when its price dropped  
precipitously last May. That lens is a superb performer, but it's a  
bit bulky. Fit the L1 with the Pentax K17FE, DA21 or Olympus ZD 35  
Macro, however, and I feel like I have my Leica M in my hands again.

Godfrey


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Re: GESO: For Grace Fans Only:-)

2007-09-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Igor. Some good suggestions. But at parties I just try to be  
invisible and fire away. No posing. Not that Grace would pose in any  
case:-).
Paul
On Sep 19, 2007, at 6:01 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:


 Some nice shots there, Paul!

 I agree with others, http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6435196
 is a great catch!

 One thought-idea for a shot:
 Grace and the cake in the same shot, so that her dress is juxtaposed
 with the cake's figurette dress.
 The fact that V-shaped cut of the two dresses are in the opposite
 directions (up and down) - could play a role.

 .. but the cake is long gone..

 Another interesting combination is here:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6435180
 Grace in her yellow dress and the doll in hers, but the rest of the
 colorful objects in the frame hide this juxtaposition.
 It would've been great if the rest of the objects/colors were neutral.

 Cheers,

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RE: PUG themes for 2008

2007-09-19 Thread David Savage
At 05:08 AM 20/09/2007, Bob W wrote:
Why not combine 12 and 8, then we could have Kenny Slap.



Or Mirror Boy?

Seems appropriate given how much light his teeth reflect.

Cheers,

Dave


  -Original Message-
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  Sent: 19 September 2007 14:44
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  Subject: Re: PUG themes for 2008
 
 
  1 - Wide Aperture
  2 - Pixel Peeping
  3 - Purple Fringe
  4 - What the F in f-stop Really Stands For
  5 - In Decent Exposure
  6 - Auntie Alias
  7 - Macro Panoramas
  8 - Mirror Slap
  9 - My Favorite Histogram
  10 - In the RAW
  11 - The Relationship Between Sagital and Tangental Graphs of
Modular
  Transfer Function as Pertaining to the Rendering of Out-of-Focus
Areas
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Re: How much do you sell your prints for?

2007-09-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 19, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Norm Baugher wrote:
 8'x10 ; 11x14 RC paper.

My standard portfolio print is approximately 8x10 inch image area on  
A3 sized paper with printed annotation and labeling, they run $35-50  
each unmatted/unframed. Edition prints (hand-written annotation and  
signature) are ~ 11x14 inch image area on A3 sized paper, they run  
$75-120 each unmatted/unframed.

All prints are on either Epson Enhanced Matte or Epson Velvet Fine  
Art papers, that's what determines the price within the range.

My mattedframed Edition prints are $235-265, with archival fold-over  
mattes and modest museum-style 16x20 inch frame.

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Re: GESO - Explorations fo Sudbury

2007-09-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
Is that why it doesn't work? :-))
Paul
On Sep 19, 2007, at 5:30 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

 Rebekah,

 The viewer in question is written in Flash ;-)

 -Adam


 Rebekah wrote:
 use flash.  it seems to be so popular ;)

 rg2

 On 9/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Adam,
 I missed this post earlier. I tried looking at the gallery using  
 Firefox on a Mac at work. Only the first image was visible. The  
 others all appeared about 80% out of frame.
 Paul
  -- Original message --
 From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Rick,

 What don't you like about the viewer? And do you have anything  
 to recommend
 instead? I've generally been impressed by Autoviewer, it's  
 lightweight for a
 flash viewer and doesn't intrude much (The slowness is more a  
 case of my poor
 upload bandwidth than the viewer itself)

 -Adam


 Rick Womer wrote:
 Adam,

 The pics are nice (I especially like the last one),
 but the viewer is awful.

 Rick

 --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've put together a gallery of my landscapish work
 from Sudbury, ON.
 It's mostly MF stuff, but some 35mm and some
 digital. All shots have
 been taken within 5 minutes drive of the downtown
 core except for the
 creek and the billboard, which were both shot in the
 New Sudbury
 commercial area. Sudbury's an interesting city, one
 of the few cities of
 160,000 where you can walk from the downtown core to
 utter wilderness in
 a reasonable time, and drive there in 5 minutes.

 http://www.mawz.ca/sets/sudbury/index.html

 -Adam

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Re: PESO 2007 - 39c - GDG

2007-09-19 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Seems a week for different thoughts. Went out walking this morning  
while it was still quite dim and had the Panasonic L1 fitted with a  
Pentax K17/4 Fish-Eye lens (on the way to Cotty ... thanks for  
letting me shoot with it a little bit!). I thought I'd experiment  
with getting something soft and and texture-ish so I racked up the  
ISO to 800 and underexposed by a bit. Results here ...

   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/39c.htm

The composition is a bit centered for my tastes, but you certainly got 
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Re: Upcoming October PUG and ultimatum

2007-09-19 Thread David Savage
Don't even see it over here.

We only have 3 seasons Hot, Mild  Wet  the plants don't change much, if 
at all, between them.

Up in the north they only have 2, The Wet  The Dry season.

:-)

Cheers,

Dave

At 06:40 AM 20/09/2007, Brian Walters wrote:
True.  Six months away here..

:-)


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Quoting Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  You know, it's not even fall yet.
 
  rg2
 
  On 9/18/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On 9/18/07, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave Kennedy wrote:
 Is the size limit still 600 longest side?

No, it's not.  The upload form limits the photo to 256k.  The
  software
I'm currently using will automagically resize the photo to a
  maximum of
720 on the long side, so you don't need to worry about the
  actual
dimensions of the photo.
   
The current form is here:  http://pdmlpug.org/?p=13
   
   
  
   I got one!
  
   I just have to remember to re-size it at home tonight and send it
  in.
   I'd like to get back into the habit of posting PUGs now that that
  I've
   gone all digital.
  
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Re: GESO - Explorations fo Sudbury

2007-09-19 Thread Rick Womer
What I don't like:  It is s-l-o-w.  It often pushes me
along to the next pic before I'm ready.  Often the
next pic isn't ready, either, and I watch a little
white pie shrink; then it moves onto the -next-
incomplete pic before the pie has even disappeared. 
There seems to be no way to view thumbnails.

In short, a PITA.  I *VASTLY* prefer a simple display
of thumbnails, that allows one to view in detail the
pics one chooses at the pace one chooses.

Call me finicky.

Rick

--- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Rick,
 
 What don't you like about the viewer? And do you
 have anything to recommend instead? I've generally
 been impressed by Autoviewer, it's lightweight for a
 flash viewer and doesn't intrude much (The slowness
 is more a case of my poor upload bandwidth than the
 viewer itself)
 
 -Adam
 
 
 Rick Womer wrote:
  Adam,
  
  The pics are nice (I especially like the last
 one),
  but the viewer is awful.
  
  Rick
  
  --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I've put together a gallery of my landscapish
 work
  from Sudbury, ON. 
  It's mostly MF stuff, but some 35mm and some
  digital. All shots have 
  been taken within 5 minutes drive of the downtown
  core except for the 
  creek and the billboard, which were both shot in
 the
  New Sudbury 
  commercial area. Sudbury's an interesting city,
 one
  of the few cities of 
  160,000 where you can walk from the downtown core
 to
  utter wilderness in 
  a reasonable time, and drive there in 5 minutes.
 
  http://www.mawz.ca/sets/sudbury/index.html
 
  -Adam
 
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Re: RE: PUG themes for 2008

2007-09-19 Thread Mark Roberts
David Savage wrote:

At 05:08 AM 20/09/2007, Bob W wrote:
Why not combine 12 and 8, then we could have Kenny Slap.

Or Mirror Boy?

Seems appropriate given how much light his teeth reflect.

...and who his biggest fan is.



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Re: GESO: For Grace Fans Only:-)

2007-09-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Nice photos, Paul.

Godfrey

On Sep 18, 2007, at 7:02 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

 Nothing great here in terms of photos, but some fun pics from Grace's
 third birthday. Note also the cake built around a Barbie doll. My
 wife used to be the head pastry chef at a very good bakery. She still
 knows how to do it. Enjoy.
 http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=766976


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Re: PESO - Retro vs. Artsy

2007-09-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Nice renderings, although I'm usually one for as simple as  
possible ... they get too artificial/fake looking otherwise. The  
retro version is more to my taste.

The flash viewer you're using is interesting too.

Godfrey

On Sep 19, 2007, at 12:58 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:


 I seldom do much of processing of photos, except for
 exposure/brighness/constrast, white-balance and sharpness adjustments,
 and occasional minor touch-ups.

 I recently played with a few shots taken at Camp Hollywood 2007
 (huge swing-dance event in Los Angeles). It must've been the spirit
 of the event that inspired me: they had theme nights for social dances
 all three days (Chinatown, Pearl Harbor, and Grease) and live
 music with great jazz bands.
 I posted couple of shots here several weeks ago.

 Here are two galleries with two different renditions of the same
 shots: Retro and Artsy.
 http://42graphy.komkon.org/CampHollywood-2007/Retro/index.html
 http://42graphy.komkon.org/CampHollywood-2007/Artsy/index.html

 I am still not sure if the artsy style works for all photos
 (except for the Time Warp that I've posted before).

 Your comments, suggestions, and critique are welcome as always.

 Igor

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Re: PESO - Wardrobe Fitting in the Market

2007-09-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Sep 18, 2007, at 11:20 AM, frank theriault wrote:

 http://tinyurl.com/3y9dlf
 http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/Ru5x7HjQnII/Atc/ 
 7fuv00nJrdY/s1600-h/sept_17+005.jpg

Overall an interesting photo but a bit unbalanced. I do like this  
color, full, loose crop over the later version you posted. In this  
one I can deal with the bicyclist, but in truth he doesn't belong  
there. I like the grafiti counterpoint against the woman and clothing  
rack.

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Re: GESO - Explorations fo Sudbury

2007-09-19 Thread Adam Maas
The speed issue is my connection. It's not the fastest upload. Normally 
I just host off my flickr account, but the 3 galleries are hosted 
locally. I do need to get some better hosting for my Photography site.

And there are no thumbnails. I don't much like them.

-Adam


Rick Womer wrote:
 What I don't like:  It is s-l-o-w.  It often pushes me
 along to the next pic before I'm ready.  Often the
 next pic isn't ready, either, and I watch a little
 white pie shrink; then it moves onto the -next-
 incomplete pic before the pie has even disappeared. 
 There seems to be no way to view thumbnails.
 
 In short, a PITA.  I *VASTLY* prefer a simple display
 of thumbnails, that allows one to view in detail the
 pics one chooses at the pace one chooses.
 
 Call me finicky.
 
 Rick
 
 --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Rick,

 What don't you like about the viewer? And do you
 have anything to recommend instead? I've generally
 been impressed by Autoviewer, it's lightweight for a
 flash viewer and doesn't intrude much (The slowness
 is more a case of my poor upload bandwidth than the
 viewer itself)

 -Adam


 Rick Womer wrote:
 Adam,

 The pics are nice (I especially like the last
 one),
 but the viewer is awful.

 Rick

 --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've put together a gallery of my landscapish
 work
 from Sudbury, ON. 
 It's mostly MF stuff, but some 35mm and some
 digital. All shots have 
 been taken within 5 minutes drive of the downtown
 core except for the 
 creek and the billboard, which were both shot in
 the
 New Sudbury 
 commercial area. Sudbury's an interesting city,
 one
 of the few cities of 
 160,000 where you can walk from the downtown core
 to
 utter wilderness in 
 a reasonable time, and drive there in 5 minutes.

 http://www.mawz.ca/sets/sudbury/index.html

 -Adam

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Re: Help! Blur and moire in the picture

2007-09-19 Thread Brian Walters
Yes, that's a serious problem.  Hope the camera's still under warranty.


:-)



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  and I cannot do anything to get rid of it.
 See for yourself:
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Re: GESO - Explorations fo Sudbury

2007-09-19 Thread P. J. Alling
Flash is the spawn of the devil.

Rick Womer wrote:
 What I don't like:  It is s-l-o-w.  It often pushes me
 along to the next pic before I'm ready.  Often the
 next pic isn't ready, either, and I watch a little
 white pie shrink; then it moves onto the -next-
 incomplete pic before the pie has even disappeared. 
 There seems to be no way to view thumbnails.

 In short, a PITA.  I *VASTLY* prefer a simple display
 of thumbnails, that allows one to view in detail the
 pics one chooses at the pace one chooses.

 Call me finicky.

 Rick

 --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 Rick,

 What don't you like about the viewer? And do you
 have anything to recommend instead? I've generally
 been impressed by Autoviewer, it's lightweight for a
 flash viewer and doesn't intrude much (The slowness
 is more a case of my poor upload bandwidth than the
 viewer itself)

 -Adam


 Rick Womer wrote:
 
 Adam,

 The pics are nice (I especially like the last
   
 one),
 
 but the viewer is awful.

 Rick

 --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 I've put together a gallery of my landscapish
 
 work
 
 from Sudbury, ON. 
 It's mostly MF stuff, but some 35mm and some
 digital. All shots have 
 been taken within 5 minutes drive of the downtown
 core except for the 
 creek and the billboard, which were both shot in
 
 the
 
 New Sudbury 
 commercial area. Sudbury's an interesting city,
 
 one
 
 of the few cities of 
 160,000 where you can walk from the downtown core
 
 to
 
 utter wilderness in 
 a reasonable time, and drive there in 5 minutes.

 http://www.mawz.ca/sets/sudbury/index.html

 -Adam

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Re: Upcoming October PUG and ultimatum

2007-09-19 Thread P. J. Alling
Better than Northern New England , which has Almost Winter, Winter, 
Still Winter, and Construction.

David Savage wrote:
 Don't even see it over here.

 We only have 3 seasons Hot, Mild  Wet  the plants don't change much, if 
 at all, between them.

 Up in the north they only have 2, The Wet  The Dry season.

 :-)

 Cheers,

 Dave

 At 06:40 AM 20/09/2007, Brian Walters wrote:
   
 True.  Six months away here..

 :-)


 Cheers

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 Quoting Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 
 You know, it's not even fall yet.

 rg2

 On 9/18/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 On 9/18/07, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Dave Kennedy wrote:
   
 Is the size limit still 600 longest side?

 
 No, it's not.  The upload form limits the photo to 256k.  The
   
 software
   
 I'm currently using will automagically resize the photo to a
   
 maximum of
   
 720 on the long side, so you don't need to worry about the
   
 actual
   
 dimensions of the photo.

 The current form is here:  http://pdmlpug.org/?p=13


   
 I got one!

 I just have to remember to re-size it at home tonight and send it
 
 in.
   
 I'd like to get back into the habit of posting PUGs now that that
 
 I've
   
 gone all digital.

 -f
 


   


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Re: Upcoming October PUG and ultimatum

2007-09-19 Thread Rick Womer
Okay, I submitted a PUG.  It had -nothing- to do with
Scott's threats.  Honest.  Really.  Nerves of steel.

A paucity of digital autumn pix caused me to dive into
my slides for the first time in months.  I chose
something from November 2007.  Boy, am I ever out of
practice with scanning!

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DSLR FoV chart (Pentax)

2007-09-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On a whim, I made up a new FoV chart for DSLRs with a 16x24 mm sensor  
format. This shows diagonal FoV plotted against focal lengths from  
12mm to 200mm, marking out my Pentax lenses as points of reference:

   http://homepage.mac.com/godders/Pentax-DSLR-FoV.jpg

Perhaps I'll do another one for 4/3 System ...

enjoy
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Re: Upcoming October PUG and ultimatum

2007-09-19 Thread Kenneth Waller
I chose something from November 2007.

Found a time machine have we ?

Kenneth Waller
http://tinyurl.com/272u2f


- Original Message - 
From: Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Upcoming October PUG and ultimatum


 Okay, I submitted a PUG.  It had -nothing- to do with
 Scott's threats.  Honest.  Really.  Nerves of steel.

 A paucity of digital autumn pix caused me to dive into
 my slides for the first time in months.  I chose
 something from November 2007.  Boy, am I ever out of
 practice with scanning!

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OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps

2007-09-19 Thread Brendan MacRae
A friend of mine who is the president of a digital
video company turned me on to something new tonight.
This camera system promises to make some big waves in
Hollywood, and beyond.

It's a digital video camera with a 12MP sensor in the
Super 35mm format (24.4×13.7mm @ 4520×2540 pixels). To
produce the quality of images that this camera is
making at it's size and weight is game changing. I
think Panavision and some of the other companies
(Arriflex and others) are going to have to rethink
things. Take a look (if you have the bandwidth) at
some of the Quicktime video samples. I have to say,
it's breathtaking. My only gripe, as with all digital
capture, would be the look out of focus area. But even
there, it looks pretty amazing.

One interesting thing here is that this company is
also making their own lenses, which is kind of unique,
even in the movie camera field. A set of primes for
this camera is about $19KUS.

Too bad I didn't get my hands on something like this
when I was in film school. It would've been a dream.
No more labs, no more workprints. Right into the
computer.

Take a look at the quotes on the home page. One of the
guys is inter-cutting film with digital. Everything is
changing. 

http://www.red.com/cameras/photo_tour

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DSLR FoV chart (4/3 System)

2007-09-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Ok, I did the FoV chart for DSLRs with a 13.5x18 mm sensor format  
(FourThirds standard). This shows diagonal FoV plotted against focal  
lengths from 7mm to 300mm. I used the endpoints of the 11-22, 14-50  
plus 35, 105 and 180 mm lenses that I use as references:

   http://homepage.mac.com/godders/FourThirds-DSLR-FoV.jpg

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Re: OT (somewhat) - 12MP that'll do 60fps

2007-09-19 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 20/09/2007, Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Take a look at the quotes on the home page. One of the
 guys is inter-cutting film with digital. Everything is
 changing.

Of course they've been doing this for a while just not at this type of
res. I visited their page in Oct 06 and all that was available were
low res movies and some still samples, seems like they've actually got
it out there now, that's pretty good. Regardless of the initial cost
of the machine and storage I'm sure it wouldn't take long production
for it to be more economical than film.

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Re: GESO - Explorations fo Sudbury

2007-09-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Nice pix.

Autoviewer worked perfectly for me ... I use it myself occasionally.  
It's pretty lightweight for flash ... what takes time is the size of  
the pictures you tell it to download. Your server is a bit slow and  
you've chosen picture sizes that consume a lot of bandwidth on download.

Godfrey


On Sep 16, 2007, at 10:09 AM, Adam Maas wrote:

 I've put together a gallery of my landscapish work from Sudbury, ON.
 It's mostly MF stuff, but some 35mm and some digital. All shots have
 been taken within 5 minutes drive of the downtown core except for the
 creek and the billboard, which were both shot in the New Sudbury
 commercial area. Sudbury's an interesting city, one of the few  
 cities of
 160,000 where you can walk from the downtown core to utter  
 wilderness in
 a reasonable time, and drive there in 5 minutes.

 http://www.mawz.ca/sets/sudbury/index.html


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Re: Upcoming October PUG and ultimatum

2007-09-19 Thread 272yb
Well, since I did not make it to the Philly PDML event this weekend, I thought 
I would submit a photo to the October PUG..Joe
http://photo.net/photos/pjjdxn


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 Scott's threats.  Honest.  Really.  Nerves of steel.
 
 A paucity of digital autumn pix caused me to dive into
 my slides for the first time in months.  I chose
 something from November 2007.  Boy, am I ever out of
 practice with scanning!
 
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PESO 2007 - 39d - GDG

2007-09-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Found this one from San Francisco while browsing a few exposures from  
last week ...

   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/39d.htm

The usual larger size is available by clicking on the image. I've  
made a larger-size BW rendering of it available too ... the link for  
that is at the bottom of the page.

Comments, critique, etc always appreciated.

enjoy,
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Re: PESO - Retro vs. Artsy

2007-09-19 Thread Boris Liberman
Igor, plain b/w rendering with slight sepia tone that you seem to have 
chosen is much more to my liking.

The galleries are very fascinating in presentation too.

Boris

Igor Roshchin wrote:
 I seldom do much of processing of photos, except for
 exposure/brighness/constrast, white-balance and sharpness adjustments,
 and occasional minor touch-ups.
 
 I recently played with a few shots taken at Camp Hollywood 2007 
 (huge swing-dance event in Los Angeles). It must've been the spirit
 of the event that inspired me: they had theme nights for social dances
 all three days (Chinatown, Pearl Harbor, and Grease) and live
 music with great jazz bands.
 I posted couple of shots here several weeks ago.
 
 Here are two galleries with two different renditions of the same
 shots: Retro and Artsy. 
 http://42graphy.komkon.org/CampHollywood-2007/Retro/index.html
 http://42graphy.komkon.org/CampHollywood-2007/Artsy/index.html
 
 I am still not sure if the artsy style works for all photos
 (except for the Time Warp that I've posted before).
 
 Your comments, suggestions, and critique are welcome as always.
 
 Igor
 
 PS. Warning: Flash-based galleries.
 
 


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PESO -- Help Me

2007-09-19 Thread P. J. Alling
This is self explanatory

http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20helpme.html

Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 [AL] IF

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PESO -- Pumpkin Wheel

2007-09-19 Thread P. J. Alling
I couldn't decide if this should be a BW conversion or not so I did both

http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20pumpkinwheel.html

http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20pumpkinwheelbw.html

Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 [AL] IF

Notes: The BW conversion has a yellow filter applied.

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Re: OT: Don't fergit....

2007-09-19 Thread Brian Walters
Yer scurvy knave... 

Why did ye not remind me earlier?

I've fergit where I stashed me pump-up parrot.

Aagh. it's Davey Jones fer you, me lad.




Cheers

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Re: OT - Shuttle pics

2007-09-19 Thread David Mann
On Sep 19, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Cotty wrote:

 Space nuts have a look at these wonderful snaps. Warning - large file
 sizes. Excellent quality.

 http://www.texasjim.com/NASApix/NASA%20pix.htm

I'm in the second one but you might have to squint a bit.

I downloaded a larger version of it a while ago and intend to print  
it someday.

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RE: Summer photogragraph of the Year

2007-09-19 Thread Jens Bladt
Thanks a lot, Rebehak, Paul and Frank.
In our little town we had a festival-week some weeks ago.
This band was quite funny. They told jokes between each song. Quite original
stuff:
http://flickr.com/photos/bladt/1263721917/in/set-72157601725436828/
Regards
Jens Bladt

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Hi guys
I've been away (sort of) for quite a while. The reason being spending time
with my new girl friend - Susan.
I took this shot of her three-year-old. This shot won the local camera club
annual competition Summer Photograph of the Year:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/1397136630/

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Re: PUG themes for 2008

2007-09-19 Thread Cotty
On 18/09/07, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

Some might not be so bad, but OMG,. no Cotty!

OI - Mr fekking universe to you pal.

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Re: K10D - auto white balance default adjustment...

2007-09-19 Thread John Whittingham
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:13:08 -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote

 What are you using for processing? Lightroom or some other software?
 
 I started with the K10D using RAW/DNG capture mode and had a bunch 
 of  files in Lightroom v4.1 Beta before Lightroom v1.0 was released. 
 I  ran the out-of-camera DNG files through DNG Converter to compress 
  them and save disk space. Once the catalog was updated in LR 1.0, I 
  noticed that about 1/3 of them did a hefty color shift. Not all,  
 which is somewhat puzzling.
 
 Since then I upgraded my workflow to capture in PEF format (to save  
 space on the card in-camera) and convert on the fly to DNG format  
 with Lightroom. I haven't seen anything different about the color  
 balance if I import K10D RAW/PEF files directly, however.
 
 It should be simple enough to run a few exposures in pairs with RAW/ 
 DNG and RAW/PEF on the K10D, compare them. Perhaps I'll do that  
 today... :-)
 
 Godfrey

Hi Godfrey

I'm mainly using Photoshop CS3 and ACR 4.1, (I've just upgraded to ACR 4.2 
with the release of Lightroom 1.2). I was using CS3 at the time and noticed 
quite a dramatic shift in colour between DNG and PEF, I was too busy to 
investigate the reason and promptly switched back to DNG. It wasn't long 
after I'd done a complete reformat of the PC so may just have been a colour 
space problem or something similar, but I'm curious enough to try a few 
exposures between DNG and PEF myself on the chance that it's a problem with 
the camera. I'd like to use the PEF format for the space saving advantages.

Regards,

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Re: PUG themes for 2008

2007-09-19 Thread Cotty
On 18/09/07, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:

Pictures taken with an A85 mounted on a Canon

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