Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Certainly... I understand. Given that you could achieve your desired results, would you opt for a lower or higher ISO? My guess is one usually opts for the lowest ISO possible. For me personally, if I could get a FF DLSR that was great at ISO 200 - 800, comparable to the same ISO film, and if it had higher ISO quality equivalent to film at the same ISO, I'd be happy. Of course this is conjecture. We don't know if a FF body is imminent, what sensor it will have, or how good it will be. Not trying to argue really. Tom C. From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:24:17 -0400 On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 07:48:17PM -0600, Tom C wrote: With the caveat regarding who knows about Pentax?... I'd take a full frame sensor that did very well between 200 - 400 ISO any day (ISO 800) w/b nice, over any sensor that had marginal high ISO performance at 1600 and above. I find any photo I take at 1600 or higher with the *ist D to be, while documentary, not worth a heck of alot otherwise. I am loathe to set ISO over 800. That's precisely why I want a DSLR with good high ISO performance. There are many situations (stage performances, night races, etc.) where high ISO is what I want. Long exposures are useless when trying to photography moving objects (cars, or even just singers). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
John Francis wrote: On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 07:48:17PM -0600, Tom C wrote: With the caveat regarding who knows about Pentax?... I'd take a full frame sensor that did very well between 200 - 400 ISO any day (ISO 800) w/b nice, over any sensor that had marginal high ISO performance at 1600 and above. I find any photo I take at 1600 or higher with the *ist D to be, while documentary, not worth a heck of alot otherwise. I am loathe to set ISO over 800. That's precisely why I want a DSLR with good high ISO performance. There are many situations (stage performances, night races, etc.) where high ISO is what I want. Long exposures are useless when trying to photography moving objects (cars, or even just singers). Ditto. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Certainly... I understand. Given that you could achieve your desired results, would you opt for a lower or higher ISO? My guess is one usually opts for the lowest ISO possible. There are situations where the photographer will opt for the highest ISO available, simply because it is the best way of securing the image. A low ISO does no good when lighting is dim, the use of flash is precluded, and the subject is moving, even if slowly. As an example, my shoot on Friday night didn't allow for low ISO use. At 1600, I was shooting wide open (f1.4), often lucky if I could get 1/40 sec. In these situations, the given is that low ISO performance is moot. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Adam Maas wrote: Tom C wrote: With the caveat regarding who knows about Pentax?... I'd take a full frame sensor that did very well between 200 - 400 ISO any day (ISO 800) w/b nice, over any sensor that had marginal high ISO [ ... ] I get results at ISO1600+ on film that I would rave about, digital less so, but I'm not unhappy with 3200 on any of the Pentax's I've owned. And there's no 35mm form-factor digital SLR today that isn't superb at ISO400 and good at 800 (And most are superb at 800). If you care only about ISO800 and below, you have absolutely no need for FF 35mm sensors(unless you also want 20+MP, Let's not forget about the dynamic range, though. I think most people wouldn't mind having a couple or extra usable bit in the raw output, and this is easier to achieve with a larger sensor. It's just a different part of the noise story, of course, and also something you might get with a medium format digital. but then you'd be better off buying a Mamiya 645ZD kit than a 1DsmIII IMHO, less lens limitations) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Up the Hard Way
I'll third that. She'll have lots of aunties and uncles around the globe when she travels. D Bob Sullivan wrote: I'll second that Bill. She should be our adopted granddaughter. Nice picture Paul... Regards, Bob S. On 10/21/07, Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lovely shot. IMNSHO, the PDML has adopted Grace. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 9:28 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO: Up the Hard Way Grace has been determined to crawl up a slide the wrong way. She made it today. DA 16-45 at f4, 21 mm. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553758size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Up the Hard Way
The good feelings are much appreciated. Especially today. Going to be a tough one. Have to get my mother to a doctor. She's just hanging on by a thread. It's hard to watch. A peaceful ending would be a blessing. Paul On Oct 22, 2007, at 5:34 AM, Derby Chang wrote: I'll third that. She'll have lots of aunties and uncles around the globe when she travels. D Bob Sullivan wrote: I'll second that Bill. She should be our adopted granddaughter. Nice picture Paul... Regards, Bob S. On 10/21/07, Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lovely shot. IMNSHO, the PDML has adopted Grace. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 9:28 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO: Up the Hard Way Grace has been determined to crawl up a slide the wrong way. She made it today. DA 16-45 at f4, 21 mm. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553758size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GFM in October
It's during the running scenes. There's about five-ten seconds of him running around one of the curves. CW - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 9:46 PM Subject: Re: GFM in October Mark, Where is GFM in Forrest Gump? Regards, Bob S. On 10/21/07, Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow - great shot of a fabulous place. _ MCC PS: Caught Forest Gump on the tube the other night and caught the glimps of GFM in the movie - cool. --- Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The obligatory tourist shot from GFM for those that haven't been there in October. Taken with the Optio MX at f2.9 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6548526 Bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Mark Cassino Photography Kalamamazoo, MI www.markcassino.com Photo Books: www.lulu.com/cassino -- __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1082 - Release Date: 10/20/2007 2:59 PM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Is it just me...
...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Up the Hard Way
Paul, From your lips to God's ears... Good luck to her. Regards, Bob S. On 10/22/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The good feelings are much appreciated. Especially today. Going to be a tough one. Have to get my mother to a doctor. She's just hanging on by a thread. It's hard to watch. A peaceful ending would be a blessing. Paul On Oct 22, 2007, at 5:34 AM, Derby Chang wrote: I'll third that. She'll have lots of aunties and uncles around the globe when she travels. D Bob Sullivan wrote: I'll second that Bill. She should be our adopted granddaughter. Nice picture Paul... Regards, Bob S. On 10/21/07, Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lovely shot. IMNSHO, the PDML has adopted Grace. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 9:28 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO: Up the Hard Way Grace has been determined to crawl up a slide the wrong way. She made it today. DA 16-45 at f4, 21 mm. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553758size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - MIsty Morning
Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's better than okay. Any thoughts? http://tinyurl.com/34srg3 http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxyWRFjUSXI/A1M/gqjX5arUvnU/s1600-h/oct_22+006.jpg cheers and thanks, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Visitor in the office
On 10/19/07, Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two disclaimers: 1. Not Pentax 2. Not Art. Just aaaw ..and one warning: Adorable kitten! With all that out of the way... http://charles.robinsontwins.org/ photos/2007/best/pages/page_79.html Well, I like cats, and this is a cute one!! Well photographed, too... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Is it just me...
HAR! - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: OT: Is it just me... ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1082 - Release Date: 10/20/2007 2:59 PM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - MIsty Morning
frank theriault wrote: Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's better than okay. Any thoughts? http://tinyurl.com/34srg3 http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxyWRFjUSXI/A1M/gqjX5arUvnU/s1600-h/oct_22+006.jpg cheers and thanks, frank I like the creepy truncated dude. I heart the grain, too. Another Twilight Zone moment. D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Up the Hard Way
On 10/21/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grace has been determined to crawl up a slide the wrong way. She made it today. DA 16-45 at f4, 21 mm. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553758size=lg She's such a cutie! Thanks for posting it, Paul... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Tom C wrote: Certainly... I understand. Given that you could achieve your desired results, would you opt for a lower or higher ISO? My guess is one usually opts for the lowest ISO possible. For me personally, if I could get a FF DLSR that was great at ISO 200 - 800, comparable to the same ISO film, and if it had higher ISO quality equivalent to film at the same ISO, I'd be happy. Of course this is conjecture. We don't know if a FF body is imminent, what sensor it will have, or how good it will be. Not trying to argue really. Tom C. The quality you ask for is already there in the 200-800 range, FF or not. The only range that film still outperforms digital is at ISO 20-50 (Films like Adox CMS 20 and Velvia). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GFM in October
On 10/20/07, Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The obligatory tourist shot from GFM for those that haven't been there in October. Taken with the Optio MX at f2.9 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6548526 Gorgeous! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO meet Fluffy
On 10/21/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meet Fluffy... http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/PESO02/photo#5123874132768234114 I told my wife we had two skunks who occasionally came by at night. I told her one was white. She threw out leftover popcorn this morning and was thrilled to finally meet Fluffy up close and personal, eating popcorn on our back steps. Anybody ever seen a skunk colored this way? (There is also a traditional black stripped one in the neighborhood.) Hope you had a telephoto on the camera! :-0 Cool shot. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Up the Hard Way
Thanks for looking. -- Original message -- From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10/21/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grace has been determined to crawl up a slide the wrong way. She made it today. DA 16-45 at f4, 21 mm. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553758size=lg She's such a cutie! Thanks for posting it, Paul... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso Beaming down
On 10/21/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a test shot, playing around with Tony Sweets method in the house the other day. Shot a few indoor flowers and Lucy happened to be sitting on the couch, so i played around a bit. http://picasaweb.google.com/pentkon52/General/photo#5123770900813785730 K10D FA 100 Macro, 1/6 at F 3ish. Weird. Cool but weird. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - MIsty Morning
Interesting. I think i would have liked it better if the fogged panel had extended to the ground. But it's still a keeper. Paul -- Original message -- From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's better than okay. Any thoughts? http://tinyurl.com/34srg3 http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxyWRFjUSXI/A1M/gqjX5arUvnU/s1600-h/ oct_22+006.jpg cheers and thanks, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - MIsty Morning
It works for me - a very unusual and intriguing composition. The noise suits the mood as well. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/brianwalters Quoting frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's better than okay. Any thoughts? http://tinyurl.com/34srg3 http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxyWRFjUSXI/A1M/gqjX5arUvnU/s1600-h/oct_22+006.jpg cheers and thanks, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- Find out how you can get spam free email. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/3 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML Digest, Vol 18, Issue 236
In the Pentax dpreview forum a commet was made that Pentax has pushed back new dslr intros to January '08. Apparently Hoya wants to make sure that all is done right and everything is functioning the way it is supposed to. DG -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - MIsty Morning
frank theriault wrote: Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's better than okay. Any thoughts? http://tinyurl.com/34srg3 http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxyWRFjUSXI/A1M/gqjX5arUvnU/s1600-h/oct_22+006.jpg Wow, great one, Frank! I *really* like this. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Is it just me...
David Savage wrote: ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml I am now wiping coffee off my computer monitor... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Is it just me...
On 10/22/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml Holy S%# -f -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: GFM in October
Thanks, Frank I think it was Ansel Adams who said if you get one good photo a year, you've done well. This is mine for 2007. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of frank theriault Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:58 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: GFM in October On 10/20/07, Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The obligatory tourist shot from GFM for those that haven't been there in October. Taken with the Optio MX at f2.9 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6548526 Gorgeous! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Is it just me...
On 22/10/07, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml Oh my god - you're absolutely right. http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare2.html -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
Doug Franklin wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Personally, I disagree with that. At least, I'd much rather have subjective critiques of my photos. There is /no/ such thing as an objective critique from a human. There /cannot/ be one. There are ones that make a greater effort than others to be objective, but complete objectivity is a state unknown and unknowable to humans. So, net-net, subjective critiques are all you're gonna get, Mark. :-) I knew I liked you, Doug :) although perhaps I should be miffed non one quoted me when I said the same thing earlier - (ok, for the humor handicapped, this is supposed to be funny - although I DId say the same thing earlier ) ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - MIsty Morning
On 10/22/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's better than okay. ... http://tinyurl.com/34srg3 Morning like this, I just want to turn around and crawl back into bed. Nicely caught, Frank. You got the mood perfectly. -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Is it just me...
cbwaters wrote: HAR! Did he pose for it? ann who Hars also - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: OT: Is it just me... ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1082 - Release Date: 10/20/2007 2:59 PM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Is it just me...
On 10/22/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22/10/07, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml Oh my god - you're absolutely right. http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare2.html -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Is it just me...
On 10/22/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22/10/07, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml Oh my god - you're absolutely right. http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare2.html ROTFLMAO The likeness is uncanny. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Is it just me...
On 22/10/07, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: On 22/10/07, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml Oh my god - you're absolutely right. http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare2.html Actually, after I posted that, I realised I might have made a mistake - even though the resemblance is astonishing. So I checked back through my 2004 archives when I was at GFM on my first visit - and sure enough.. http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare4.html -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Is it just me...
The resemblance is amazing!!! Bill ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Is it just me...
On 10/22/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh my god - you're absolutely right. http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare2.html *SPLORF* Dammit, that was a good cup of coffee, too! -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - MIsty Morning
On 10/22/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, great one, Frank! I *really* like this. Funny, but I kept thinking about you when I was processing this. Kept thinking about one of your favourite quotes from Mr. Hugh Morton: Bad weather makes good photographs. Thanks for the kind words! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - MIsty Morning
On Oct 22, 2007, at 5:34 AM, frank theriault wrote: http://tinyurl.com/34srg3 http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxyWRFjUSXI/A1M/ gqjX5arUvnU/s1600-h/oct_22+006.jpg This is great stuff, Frank! Very mysterious, moody, cool picture! Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: In the sandbox
On 10/21/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had a tough time getting a pic of Grace in the sandbox. The light is almost always horrible when we're at the park, and it's hard for me to get low enough to get a nice angle. Today, I set the DA 16-45 at 16mm and held it just off the sand with the pop-up flash turned on. f 5.6, 1/100th shutter speed, ISO 100. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553758size=lg Paul Tough light - terrific shot! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - MIsty Morning
I tried getting in touch with a feeling about this, but have to say, 'very mysterious' is all I'm left with. Maybe that's enough.(?) Jack --- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's better than okay. Any thoughts? http://tinyurl.com/34srg3 http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxyWRFjUSXI/A1M/gqjX5arUvnU/s1600-h/oct_22+006.jpg cheers and thanks, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: In the sandbox
Thanks Frank. But that's not the pic:-). Grandpa had a senior moment and posted the wrong URL. Here's the sandbox shot. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553835 -- Original message -- From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10/21/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had a tough time getting a pic of Grace in the sandbox. The light is almost always horrible when we're at the park, and it's hard for me to get low enough to get a nice angle. Today, I set the DA 16-45 at 16mm and held it just off the sand with the pop-up flash turned on. f 5.6, 1/100th shutter speed, ISO 100. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553758size=lg Paul Tough light - terrific shot! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Is it just me...
not enough mustache David Savage wrote: ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - MIsty Morning
frank theriault wrote: Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's better than okay. Any thoughts? http://tinyurl.com/34srg3 http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxyWRFjUSXI/A1M/gqjX5arUvnU/s1600-h/oct_22+006.jpg cheers and thanks, frank Great shot, frank. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: In the sandbox
On 10/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Frank. But that's not the pic:-). Grandpa had a senior moment and posted the wrong URL. Here's the sandbox shot. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553835 That's the pic I was commenting on (even though I replied to your initial post with the wrong URL). cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: In the sandbox
That makes sense. Grandpa still in his Monday morning fog:-) -- Original message -- From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Frank. But that's not the pic:-). Grandpa had a senior moment and posted the wrong URL. Here's the sandbox shot. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553835 That's the pic I was commenting on (even though I replied to your initial post with the wrong URL). cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Is it just me...
On 22/10/07, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed: not enough mustache Good point. Also, wasn't there a larval Lepidoptera attached to the chin? Hey, we all go through that phase. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - MIsty Morning
frank theriault wrote: Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's better than okay. Any thoughts? http://tinyurl.com/34srg3 http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxyWRFjUSXI/A1M/gqjX5arUvnU/s1600-h/oct_22+006.jpg cheers and thanks, frank ET, Go home... I see what you mean -- it would drive me nuts if I took it (for your reasons) -- the overall feel is wonderful but the alien's shape is a problem, I think... Not much help - sorry ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Is it just me...
Doug Brewer wrote: David Savage wrote: ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml not enough mustache That might not be the wisest comment to make to people who know how to use Photoshop. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO meet Fluffy
Now Derby is channeling Peppi Lepue. This place just keeps getting stranger and stranger. Derby Chang wrote: Bob Sullivan wrote: Meet Fluffy... http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/PESO02/photo#5123874132768234114 I told my wife we had two skunks who occasionally came by at night. I told her one was white. She threw out leftover popcorn this morning and was thrilled to finally meet Fluffy up close and personal, eating popcorn on our back steps. Anybody ever seen a skunk colored this way? (There is also a traditional black stripped one in the neighborhood.) Regards, Bob S. Quelle est? Ah, le belle femme skunk fatale. This little love bundle. Now she is seeking for us a trysting place. Touching, is it not? Come, my little peanut of brittle. I will help you. Wait for me. Wait. D -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Is it just me...
Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: David Savage wrote: ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml not enough mustache That might not be the wisest comment to make to people who know how to use Photoshop. unless one holds the keys to the kingdom -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics
Yes but that lead to a proposal for a Nuclear Ramjet cruse missile No payload needed, just circle it over you're enemies territory until everything died. John Sessoms wrote: From: graywolf A conspiracy theory there, Bob? Personally I like the one for the nucular engines for the B-1 Bomber. When you are dealing with atomic energy and you get 10 times the power output you thought you were supposed to, you do not proceed with testing. The nuclear engine testbed was the XB-36H [modified B-36 bomber], and it wasn't 10x the power that was a problem it was 10x the radiation ... took too much shielding to make it safe for the crew, and the added weight of the shielding canceled out the bomb load. -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Tri-X heads shooting available light were always looking for more speed. It was the content that counted not so much the quality. I find that both the *ist-D and Ds give better results at 1600 than most any film I've ever used. It's worth raving about. Tom C wrote: With the caveat regarding who knows about Pentax?... I'd take a full frame sensor that did very well between 200 - 400 ISO any day (ISO 800) w/b nice, over any sensor that had marginal high ISO performance at 1600 and above. I find any photo I take at 1600 or higher with the *ist D to be, while documentary, not worth a heck of alot otherwise. I am loathe to set ISO over 800. Thinking back to film, I rarely shot anything over 400, and many times I was pushing 100 two stops to get 400. When I needed more light gathering ability the camera was on a tripod and I used longer shutter speeds. I wouldn't mind that at all because I find the high ISO performance of DSLR's to be no more desirable than the performance of high ISO films. Who *seriously* shoots at ISO1600+ and gets results they would rave about? For my kind of photgraphy it doesn't work near as well as a lower ISO and a tripod. Tom C. From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Adam Maas wrote: Not only an old sensor, but one with extremely poor high ISO performance (it's the Sensor Kodak used in the DCS14n, DCS/n and DCS/c). Well they may have improved it since then: The data sheet shows it's been revised, January 2007 -- they've nearly doubled the frame rate from 1.7 fps to 3 fps, for example. Not that it has any bearing on Pentax, AFAIK. BTW: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=25298198 ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - MIsty Morning
It would be better if it were a little less centered. frank theriault wrote: Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's better than okay. Any thoughts? http://tinyurl.com/34srg3 http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxyWRFjUSXI/A1M/gqjX5arUvnU/s1600-h/oct_22+006.jpg cheers and thanks, frank -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - MIsty Morning
Kind of spooky - good fit for a Hallowe'en weekend. -p frank theriault wrote: Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's better than okay. Any thoughts? http://tinyurl.com/34srg3 http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxyWRFjUSXI/A1M/gqjX5arUvnU/s1600-h/oct_22+006.jpg cheers and thanks, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Most of you guys are missing my point, or maybe I'm not acknowledging that I get yours. I'm just trying to say that high ISO quality seems to viewed as a holy grail in digital photography, and my perception, right, wrong, or skewed, is that with film photography it was generally accepted that you were going to sacrifice image quality when shooting high ISO film to get the shot. Of course the same happens with digital, the higher the ISO, the noisier the image, or the heavier the noise reduction, losing detail. My comments were that high ISO image quality suffers whether using film or digital, so I wouldn't mind a FF DSLR with great low - mid ISO performance and mediocre/poor high ISO performance, because... ta da! :-) I expect mediocre/poor high ISO performance anyway. I have not shot one image on the *ist D at 1600 ISO that I can say I'm really happy with. Even if it is a nice shot, I can see that it would have better with a tripod and lower ISO. I thoroughly understand that some kinds of photography and venues dictate the use of high ISO. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:12:35 -0400 Tri-X heads shooting available light were always looking for more speed. It was the content that counted not so much the quality. I find that both the *ist-D and Ds give better results at 1600 than most any film I've ever used. It's worth raving about. Tom C wrote: With the caveat regarding who knows about Pentax?... I'd take a full frame sensor that did very well between 200 - 400 ISO any day (ISO 800) w/b nice, over any sensor that had marginal high ISO performance at 1600 and above. I find any photo I take at 1600 or higher with the *ist D to be, while documentary, not worth a heck of alot otherwise. I am loathe to set ISO over 800. Thinking back to film, I rarely shot anything over 400, and many times I was pushing 100 two stops to get 400. When I needed more light gathering ability the camera was on a tripod and I used longer shutter speeds. I wouldn't mind that at all because I find the high ISO performance of DSLR's to be no more desirable than the performance of high ISO films. Who *seriously* shoots at ISO1600+ and gets results they would rave about? For my kind of photgraphy it doesn't work near as well as a lower ISO and a tripod. Tom C. From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Adam Maas wrote: Not only an old sensor, but one with extremely poor high ISO performance (it's the Sensor Kodak used in the DCS14n, DCS/n and DCS/c). Well they may have improved it since then: The data sheet shows it's been revised, January 2007 -- they've nearly doubled the frame rate from 1.7 fps to 3 fps, for example. Not that it has any bearing on Pentax, AFAIK. BTW: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=25298198 ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Remember, its pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Heck, I've finally learned to compose for the 35mm frame, and unlike some people I know the 6x9 format well predates the popularity of 35mm double frame cameras. John Sessoms wrote: From: Toralf Lund graywolf wrote: Or something like a 24x30 or 24x32 frame? Or 24x28, even? Yes, a change of aspect ratio would be interesting. I wonder what the reaction would be... Stunned horror followed by extreme outrage. -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Is it just me...
On 22/10/07, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed: not enough mustache That might not be the wisest comment to make to people who know how to use Photoshop. unless one holds the keys to the kingdom I'm bailing. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - MIsty Morning
On 10/22/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be better if it were a little less centered. I agree - perhaps that, along with the fact that the mist only frosted the top half of the bus shelter (leaving the figure's bottom 1/2 relatively sharp) are why I'm ambivalent about it (I continue to vacillate). It's centred because I chopped off a huge chunk of the right side of the frame: A great hunking SUV that I thought looked good in the viewfinder looked stupid in the photo, so out it went. I really didn't want to crop from the left to compensate, as I didn't want to lose that sidewalk - to me that's an important element of the photo. So, despite the kudos, so far this, to me, is an almost there photo, one that's not bad, but not as good as I'd like it to be, with little or no way to fix it up without degrading it. Damn, I hate that!!! ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Up the Hard Way
My best to you and her, Paul. I lost my mother in August, just a couple weeks before her 89th birthday. Sometimes it's hard to put aside our own impending sense of loss and acknowledge that a peaceful ending is, indeed, the blessing our loved ones need. -p Paul Stenquist wrote: The good feelings are much appreciated. Especially today. Going to be a tough one. Have to get my mother to a doctor. She's just hanging on by a thread. It's hard to watch. A peaceful ending would be a blessing. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Is it just me...
Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: David Savage wrote: ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml not enough mustache That might not be the wisest comment to make to people who know how to use Photoshop. Who's using Photoshop? Looked perfectly natural to me. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Up the Hard Way
I had in my mind either a shot at the top of the slide or the bottom - either would have been more dramatic in showing the 'climb' - as it is, it's a nice snap for the album. She is cute as always. -- Bruce Sunday, October 21, 2007, 6:28:18 PM, you wrote: PS Grace has been determined to crawl up a slide the wrong way. She made PS it today. PS DA 16-45 at f4, 21 mm. PS http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553758size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - MIsty Morning
On 10/22/07, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ET, Go home... I see what you mean -- it would drive me nuts if I took it (for your reasons) -- the overall feel is wonderful but the alien's shape is a problem, I think... Not much help - sorry That shape doesn't bother me that much - not as much as the bullseye effect (see my response to Peter). It ~is~ frustrating, though. Almost there, but not quite. -f -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: In the sandbox
Pretty good, really. You got a good angle on her and the light seems reasonably tamed. Good shot, there! -- Best regards, Bruce Sunday, October 21, 2007, 6:43:19 PM, you wrote: PS Wrong URL on this one. Should be: PS http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553835 PS On Oct 21, 2007, at 9:31 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I've had a tough time getting a pic of Grace in the sandbox. The light is almost always horrible when we're at the park, and it's hard for me to get low enough to get a nice angle. Today, I set the DA 16-45 at 16mm and held it just off the sand with the pop-up flash turned on. f 5.6, 1/100th shutter speed, ISO 100. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553758size=lg Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
No I get your point. But Film quality has improved immensely in 100 years. High ISO, or ASA or DIN was once in the 100 range. and very grainy. The bar keeps being raised. What is now unacceptable was at one time the norm. It seems to me that you're making the mistake of believing that things have always been this way. Look at cameras built in the 40's compared to cameras of the 70s. Look under the hood of a 60s or 70s car or truck, compared to what's under the hood of one today. Open up a 1950's transistor radio. Then look inside a modern one of the same type, (if you can even find one that you can open without a dremmel tool). All these things have changed, in some cases beyond recognition. Is digital always better? Not always, but getting high ISO results equal to what was yesterday the best you could get with a low speed fine grain film has always been a goal. Tom C wrote: Most of you guys are missing my point, or maybe I'm not acknowledging that I get yours. I'm just trying to say that high ISO quality seems to viewed as a holy grail in digital photography, and my perception, right, wrong, or skewed, is that with film photography it was generally accepted that you were going to sacrifice image quality when shooting high ISO film to get the shot. Of course the same happens with digital, the higher the ISO, the noisier the image, or the heavier the noise reduction, losing detail. My comments were that high ISO image quality suffers whether using film or digital, so I wouldn't mind a FF DSLR with great low - mid ISO performance and mediocre/poor high ISO performance, because... ta da! :-) I expect mediocre/poor high ISO performance anyway. I have not shot one image on the *ist D at 1600 ISO that I can say I'm really happy with. Even if it is a nice shot, I can see that it would have better with a tripod and lower ISO. I thoroughly understand that some kinds of photography and venues dictate the use of high ISO. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:12:35 -0400 Tri-X heads shooting available light were always looking for more speed. It was the content that counted not so much the quality. I find that both the *ist-D and Ds give better results at 1600 than most any film I've ever used. It's worth raving about. Tom C wrote: With the caveat regarding who knows about Pentax?... I'd take a full frame sensor that did very well between 200 - 400 ISO any day (ISO 800) w/b nice, over any sensor that had marginal high ISO performance at 1600 and above. I find any photo I take at 1600 or higher with the *ist D to be, while documentary, not worth a heck of alot otherwise. I am loathe to set ISO over 800. Thinking back to film, I rarely shot anything over 400, and many times I was pushing 100 two stops to get 400. When I needed more light gathering ability the camera was on a tripod and I used longer shutter speeds. I wouldn't mind that at all because I find the high ISO performance of DSLR's to be no more desirable than the performance of high ISO films. Who *seriously* shoots at ISO1600+ and gets results they would rave about? For my kind of photgraphy it doesn't work near as well as a lower ISO and a tripod. Tom C. From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Adam Maas wrote: Not only an old sensor, but one with extremely poor high ISO performance (it's the Sensor Kodak used in the DCS14n, DCS/n and DCS/c). Well they may have improved it since then: The data sheet shows it's been revised, January 2007 -- they've nearly doubled the frame rate from 1.7 fps to 3 fps, for example. Not that it has any bearing on Pentax, AFAIK. BTW: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=25298198 ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Slightly OT: Right clicked images find there way home
All that blood flow being redirected away from the brain has side effects... Cheers, Dave On 10/22/07, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thinking about girls makes you dumb. Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: Paul Sorenson wrote: Oops...you're right. But it does make you have to do more than just right click and save. ;} And you do have to be a little more computer literate to follow through on it.. Sadly as computer literate as the average 12 year old. If that's true they must forget an awful lot between age 12 and when they enter college... (I'm grading mid-terms right now.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious beer
It may be a snap, but you did capture the feeling of festivity. Nice one. -- Bruce Sunday, October 21, 2007, 4:50:37 AM, you wrote: DC I like this snap, but there were sad consequences after right after this DC shot. Had forgotten to charge the liths before the fest. So with the DC camera juiceless, I had to watch many photo ops walk by. Pleasant DC afternoon though. DC http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/07_10/07_10_beer/01.htm DC D DC -- DC [EMAIL PROTECTED] DC http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
One reason why High ISO quality is such a hobbyhorse is that so many people are trying to achieve shots that need a fast prime with a slow (f4 or slower) zoom. You NEED good high ISO when you're stuck at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the guy next to you is shooting wide open with his 85/1.4 at ISO 800. -Adam Tom C wrote: Most of you guys are missing my point, or maybe I'm not acknowledging that I get yours. I'm just trying to say that high ISO quality seems to viewed as a holy grail in digital photography, and my perception, right, wrong, or skewed, is that with film photography it was generally accepted that you were going to sacrifice image quality when shooting high ISO film to get the shot. Of course the same happens with digital, the higher the ISO, the noisier the image, or the heavier the noise reduction, losing detail. My comments were that high ISO image quality suffers whether using film or digital, so I wouldn't mind a FF DSLR with great low - mid ISO performance and mediocre/poor high ISO performance, because... ta da! :-) I expect mediocre/poor high ISO performance anyway. I have not shot one image on the *ist D at 1600 ISO that I can say I'm really happy with. Even if it is a nice shot, I can see that it would have better with a tripod and lower ISO. I thoroughly understand that some kinds of photography and venues dictate the use of high ISO. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:12:35 -0400 Tri-X heads shooting available light were always looking for more speed. It was the content that counted not so much the quality. I find that both the *ist-D and Ds give better results at 1600 than most any film I've ever used. It's worth raving about. Tom C wrote: With the caveat regarding who knows about Pentax?... I'd take a full frame sensor that did very well between 200 - 400 ISO any day (ISO 800) w/b nice, over any sensor that had marginal high ISO performance at 1600 and above. I find any photo I take at 1600 or higher with the *ist D to be, while documentary, not worth a heck of alot otherwise. I am loathe to set ISO over 800. Thinking back to film, I rarely shot anything over 400, and many times I was pushing 100 two stops to get 400. When I needed more light gathering ability the camera was on a tripod and I used longer shutter speeds. I wouldn't mind that at all because I find the high ISO performance of DSLR's to be no more desirable than the performance of high ISO films. Who *seriously* shoots at ISO1600+ and gets results they would rave about? For my kind of photgraphy it doesn't work near as well as a lower ISO and a tripod. Tom C. From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Adam Maas wrote: Not only an old sensor, but one with extremely poor high ISO performance (it's the Sensor Kodak used in the DCS14n, DCS/n and DCS/c). Well they may have improved it since then: The data sheet shows it's been revised, January 2007 -- they've nearly doubled the frame rate from 1.7 fps to 3 fps, for example. Not that it has any bearing on Pentax, AFAIK. BTW: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=25298198 ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - MIsty Morning
It's ok - at least to me - not outstanding. Part of the issue I think is that the glass is heavily fogged but the surroundings are only lightly foggy. It makes for an imbalance that looks more like the fogging from breathing on the windows rather than the fog from the weather. So more of a thumbs sideways for me. -- Bruce Monday, October 22, 2007, 5:34:38 AM, you wrote: ft Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes ft it's okay, sometimes it's better than okay. ft Any thoughts? ft http://tinyurl.com/34srg3 ft http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxyWRFjUSXI/A1M/gqjX5arUvnU/s1600-h/oct_22+006.jpg ft cheers and thanks, ft frank ft -- ft Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Agreed, and I'm one of those available darkness Tri-X heads. Even 3200 on the D and DS is better than film (I'd rate it similar to most films at 1600). -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: Tri-X heads shooting available light were always looking for more speed. It was the content that counted not so much the quality. I find that both the *ist-D and Ds give better results at 1600 than most any film I've ever used. It's worth raving about. Tom C wrote: With the caveat regarding who knows about Pentax?... I'd take a full frame sensor that did very well between 200 - 400 ISO any day (ISO 800) w/b nice, over any sensor that had marginal high ISO performance at 1600 and above. I find any photo I take at 1600 or higher with the *ist D to be, while documentary, not worth a heck of alot otherwise. I am loathe to set ISO over 800. Thinking back to film, I rarely shot anything over 400, and many times I was pushing 100 two stops to get 400. When I needed more light gathering ability the camera was on a tripod and I used longer shutter speeds. I wouldn't mind that at all because I find the high ISO performance of DSLR's to be no more desirable than the performance of high ISO films. Who *seriously* shoots at ISO1600+ and gets results they would rave about? For my kind of photgraphy it doesn't work near as well as a lower ISO and a tripod. Tom C. From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Adam Maas wrote: Not only an old sensor, but one with extremely poor high ISO performance (it's the Sensor Kodak used in the DCS14n, DCS/n and DCS/c). Well they may have improved it since then: The data sheet shows it's been revised, January 2007 -- they've nearly doubled the frame rate from 1.7 fps to 3 fps, for example. Not that it has any bearing on Pentax, AFAIK. BTW: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=25298198 ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious beer
On 10/21/07, Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like this snap, but there were sad consequences after right after this shot. Had forgotten to charge the liths before the fest. So with the camera juiceless, I had to watch many photo ops walk by. Pleasant afternoon though. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/07_10/07_10_beer/01.htm D A fun pic, to be sure! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Tom C wrote: Most of you guys are missing my point, or maybe I'm not acknowledging that I get yours. I'm just trying to say that high ISO quality seems to viewed as a holy grail in digital photography, and my perception, right, wrong, I think you're exactly right, Tom. Sure there are a few who really need high ISO performance: sports pros often shoot football games with a 600/4 and 2x teleconverter under stadium lighting at night. Closed down 1 f-stop to recover some sharpness, they're at f/11 and shooting fast action. But high ISO performance has become the holy grail for a lot of people who don't really need it. Of course, if it sells cameras then the camera makers have to go for it... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Anyone who shoots indoor events, including weddings, can benefit from good high ISO performance. And even family pics and portraits are much nicer in available light. I think high ISO performance is a good plus for most photographers. That being said I'm far less offended by noise and/or grain than most. I've seen many comments here -- too bad it's noisy -- that really surprised me. Frequently, the noise is minimal. Remember when grain was cool? Last year I think.:-) Paul On Oct 22, 2007, at 12:59 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Tom C wrote: Most of you guys are missing my point, or maybe I'm not acknowledging that I get yours. I'm just trying to say that high ISO quality seems to viewed as a holy grail in digital photography, and my perception, right, wrong, I think you're exactly right, Tom. Sure there are a few who really need high ISO performance: sports pros often shoot football games with a 600/4 and 2x teleconverter under stadium lighting at night. Closed down 1 f-stop to recover some sharpness, they're at f/11 and shooting fast action. But high ISO performance has become the holy grail for a lot of people who don't really need it. Of course, if it sells cameras then the camera makers have to go for it... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: In the sandbox
Thanks Bruce. The pop-up flash is sometimes useful. Paul On Oct 22, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote: Pretty good, really. You got a good angle on her and the light seems reasonably tamed. Good shot, there! -- Best regards, Bruce Sunday, October 21, 2007, 6:43:19 PM, you wrote: PS Wrong URL on this one. Should be: PS http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553835 PS On Oct 21, 2007, at 9:31 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I've had a tough time getting a pic of Grace in the sandbox. The light is almost always horrible when we're at the park, and it's hard for me to get low enough to get a nice angle. Today, I set the DA 16-45 at 16mm and held it just off the sand with the pop-up flash turned on. f 5.6, 1/100th shutter speed, ISO 100. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553758size=lg Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Mark Roberts wrote: But high ISO performance has become the holy grail for a lot of people who don't really need it. Of course, if it sells cameras then the camera makers have to go for it... That's a big paradigm shift, huh? It used to be the camera body was relatively unrelated to ISO performance and film (and of course the lens) was the factor. Now the body itself has taken on a larger role. If it was just as easy as plugging in different sensors! Tom C. From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Tom C wrote: Most of you guys are missing my point, or maybe I'm not acknowledging that I get yours. I'm just trying to say that high ISO quality seems to viewed as a holy grail in digital photography, and my perception, right, wrong, I think you're exactly right, Tom. Sure there are a few who really need high ISO performance: sports pros often shoot football games with a 600/4 and 2x teleconverter under stadium lighting at night. Closed down 1 f-stop to recover some sharpness, they're at f/11 and shooting fast action. But high ISO performance has become the holy grail for a lot of people who don't really need it. Of course, if it sells cameras then the camera makers have to go for it... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
Bill Owens wrote: I think you're exactly right, Tom. Sure there are a few who really need high ISO performance: sports pros often shoot football games with a 600/4 and 2x teleconverter under stadium lighting at night. Closed down 1 f-stop to recover some sharpness, they're at f/11 and shooting fast action. But high ISO performance has become the holy grail for a lot of people who don't really need it. Of course, if it sells cameras then the camera makers have to go for it... Don't forget the higher the frame rate the better cameras sell. Another useless feature for 99% of us. Bill The first thing I look for with high-fps cameras is 'does it have a slower setting?'. I prefer to leave my camera set to continuous drive at 2.5-3fps. Buffer size I care about a lot more, but even there I only really want 9-12 shots in the buffer (and that's more because I'll load up the buffer with a group of shorter bursts than shooting long bursts). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
I think you're exactly right, Tom. Sure there are a few who really need high ISO performance: sports pros often shoot football games with a 600/4 and 2x teleconverter under stadium lighting at night. Closed down 1 f-stop to recover some sharpness, they're at f/11 and shooting fast action. But high ISO performance has become the holy grail for a lot of people who don't really need it. Of course, if it sells cameras then the camera makers have to go for it... Don't forget the higher the frame rate the better cameras sell. Another useless feature for 99% of us. Bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
It seems we may be dancing around the term high ISO. How do you define it? With film I thought 400 was sometimes getting into high ISO territory. With DSLR's I consider high ISO to be 1600 and above. More or less, when I can see image degradation without magnification. Tom C. From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:28:56 -0400 Anyone who shoots indoor events, including weddings, can benefit from good high ISO performance. And even family pics and portraits are much nicer in available light. I think high ISO performance is a good plus for most photographers. That being said I'm far less offended by noise and/or grain than most. I've seen many comments here -- too bad it's noisy -- that really surprised me. Frequently, the noise is minimal. Remember when grain was cool? Last year I think.:-) Paul On Oct 22, 2007, at 12:59 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Tom C wrote: Most of you guys are missing my point, or maybe I'm not acknowledging that I get yours. I'm just trying to say that high ISO quality seems to viewed as a holy grail in digital photography, and my perception, right, wrong, I think you're exactly right, Tom. Sure there are a few who really need high ISO performance: sports pros often shoot football games with a 600/4 and 2x teleconverter under stadium lighting at night. Closed down 1 f-stop to recover some sharpness, they're at f/11 and shooting fast action. But high ISO performance has become the holy grail for a lot of people who don't really need it. Of course, if it sells cameras then the camera makers have to go for it... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
I agree. For me frame rate is relatively unimportant compared to buffer size and throughput. Tom C. From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:46:46 -0400 Bill Owens wrote: I think you're exactly right, Tom. Sure there are a few who really need high ISO performance: sports pros often shoot football games with a 600/4 and 2x teleconverter under stadium lighting at night. Closed down 1 f-stop to recover some sharpness, they're at f/11 and shooting fast action. But high ISO performance has become the holy grail for a lot of people who don't really need it. Of course, if it sells cameras then the camera makers have to go for it... Don't forget the higher the frame rate the better cameras sell. Another useless feature for 99% of us. Bill The first thing I look for with high-fps cameras is 'does it have a slower setting?'. I prefer to leave my camera set to continuous drive at 2.5-3fps. Buffer size I care about a lot more, but even there I only really want 9-12 shots in the buffer (and that's more because I'll load up the buffer with a group of shorter bursts than shooting long bursts). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - The Barmaid
I took this a couple of weeks ago, but Derby's Glorious Beer inspired me to post it. http://tinyurl.com/2ncypz Like Derby's just a snap... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
NEVER, perhaps uniquely with me. Didn't ever care for the 'stark, gritty, under belly of life' genre. S'pose that could make me less than complete. ;) Jack --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone who shoots indoor events, including weddings, can benefit from good high ISO performance. And even family pics and portraits are much nicer in available light. I think high ISO performance is a good plus for most photographers. That being said I'm far less offended by noise and/or grain than most. I've seen many comments here -- too bad it's noisy -- that really surprised me. Frequently, the noise is minimal. Remember when grain was cool? Last year I think.:-) Paul On Oct 22, 2007, at 12:59 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Tom C wrote: Most of you guys are missing my point, or maybe I'm not acknowledging that I get yours. I'm just trying to say that high ISO quality seems to viewed as a holy grail in digital photography, and my perception, right, wrong, I think you're exactly right, Tom. Sure there are a few who really need high ISO performance: sports pros often shoot football games with a 600/4 and 2x teleconverter under stadium lighting at night. Closed down 1 f-stop to recover some sharpness, they're at f/11 and shooting fast action. But high ISO performance has become the holy grail for a lot of people who don't really need it. Of course, if it sells cameras then the camera makers have to go for it... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Barmaid
It's a little cluttered. frank theriault wrote: I took this a couple of weeks ago, but Derby's Glorious Beer inspired me to post it. http://tinyurl.com/2ncypz Like Derby's just a snap... cheers, frank -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Barmaid
frank theriault wrote: I took this a couple of weeks ago, but Derby's Glorious Beer inspired me to post it. http://tinyurl.com/2ncypz Like Derby's just a snap... cheers, frank Ahhh, me namesake beer! Memories! This place in Toronto? keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Barmaid
On 10/22/07, keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahhh, me namesake beer! Memories! This place in Toronto? Yeah, a little bar called Magpies at Bathurst and Dundas. BTW, which beer are you referring to, Peculiar? g cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Barmaid
On 10/22/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a little cluttered. I kept asking them to clean up a bit so I could take a picture of the pretty girl, but they ignored me... ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PDML Digest, Vol 18, Issue 236
Pentax have been making cameras for 56 years; Hoya have been making them for 56 seconds. So Hoya are telling Pentax how to do it right. That figures. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dick graham Sent: 19 October 2007 20:33 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PDML Digest, Vol 18, Issue 236 In the Pentax dpreview forum a commet was made that Pentax has pushed back new dslr intros to January '08. Apparently Hoya wants to make sure that all is done right and everything is functioning the way it is supposed to. DG -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ned Bunnell and Pentax Pro Services announcement
On Oct 21, 2007, at 6:04 PM, John Sessoms wrote: But does that mean that you gotta be a pro to finally get service, or does it mean more professional service? A Professional Services program generally means a package of equipment loaner/repair/expedited services designed to fit the needs of the professional photographer. It is unrelated to a company's normal Customer Service program. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML Digest, Vol 18, Issue 236
Closer to 90 years by the way... Bob W wrote: Pentax have been making cameras for 56 years; Hoya have been making them for 56 seconds. So Hoya are telling Pentax how to do it right. That figures. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dick graham Sent: 19 October 2007 20:33 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PDML Digest, Vol 18, Issue 236 In the Pentax dpreview forum a commet was made that Pentax has pushed back new dslr intros to January '08. Apparently Hoya wants to make sure that all is done right and everything is functioning the way it is supposed to. DG -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Barmaid
On 22/10/07, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: http://tinyurl.com/2ncypz very nice Frank -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Barmaid
frank theriault wrote: On 10/22/07, keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahhh, me namesake beer! Memories! This place in Toronto? Yeah, a little bar called Magpies at Bathurst and Dundas. BTW, which beer are you referring to, Peculiar? g cheers, frank But of course, Messr! Don't forget the Old prefix, pls! A fine ale, Old Peculiar! It's been said: There are more flavours in the beers brewed by Theakston in Masham than there are from an entire wine growing region in France. In spite of the fact that was said by a brewery flack, I believe it! :-) keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
When I work with my Minox subminiature cameras, ISO 100 is high ISO... I have the K10D set to Auto ISO with the range constrained to 100-400 most of the time. Differences in performance are near to invisible in that range. I go to 800, and very rarely to 1600, when I need more sensitivity. Those are high ISO settings, and I have the camera set to display the ISO warning when I'm there as they cost in dynamic range and image quality. Godfrey On Oct 22, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Tom C wrote: It seems we may be dancing around the term high ISO. How do you define it? With film I thought 400 was sometimes getting into high ISO territory. With DSLR's I consider high ISO to be 1600 and above. More or less, when I can see image degradation without magnification. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - MIsty Morning
In a message dated 10/22/2007 6:57:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 10/22/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's better than okay. ... http://tinyurl.com/34srg3 = Makes me want to go back to bed too. Heh. Good one, frank. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: In the sandbox
In a message dated 10/22/2007 7:48:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Frank. But that's not the pic:-). Grandpa had a senior moment and posted the wrong URL. Here's the sandbox shot. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553835 If I was a little girl, I'd hate Grace. :-) Just so cute all the time. Nice capture. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Barmaid
In a message dated 10/22/2007 11:02:13 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I took this a couple of weeks ago, but Derby's Glorious Beer inspired me to post it. http://tinyurl.com/2ncypz Like Derby's just a snap... cheers, frank = Think it needs a lot more contrast, frank. Also maybe some lightening of shadows around her face. It's a little too muted down and a little too one tone. Just how conversant are you with PS or something similar, these days? Marnie aka DoeDigital isn't really less work. Actually lots of times it feels like more. :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious beer
In a message dated 10/22/2007 9:10:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sunday, October 21, 2007, 4:50:37 AM, you wrote: DC I like this snap, but there were sad consequences after right after this DC shot. Had forgotten to charge the liths before the fest. So with the DC camera juiceless, I had to watch many photo ops walk by. Pleasant DC afternoon though. DC http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/07_10/07_10_beer/01.htm DC D === Little busy, but I like the lines, bar, ceiling, flags, and her expression. Nice one. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Up the Hard Way
In a message dated 10/22/2007 3:39:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The good feelings are much appreciated. Especially today. Going to be a tough one. Have to get my mother to a doctor. She's just hanging on by a thread. It's hard to watch. A peaceful ending would be a blessing. Paul === Oh. Didn't realize. Tough times, Paul. With you the best in coping with it. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Is it just me...
In a message dated 10/22/2007 7:05:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 22/10/07, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml = Not just you. That's funny. Marnie aka Doe :-) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
If I can't capture a hockey game with players clothed in black and played by candle light, the glass is NOT fast enough and the ISO is NOT high enough! If I can't capture a timber wolf racing through a dense forest by starlight, the glass is NOT fast enough and the ISO is NOT high enough! If I can't capture a Blackbird at low altitude at mach 1+ at 1:00 AM on a moonless night, the glass is NOT fast enough and the ISO is NOT high enough! I don't do any of these things, but God damn it, I want fst glass and hgh ISO! Period. Er... Exclaimation point! I feel the need, the need for speed!!! Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] But high ISO performance has become the holy grail for a lot of people who don't really need it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Barmaid
On 10/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Think it needs a lot more contrast, frank. Also maybe some lightening of shadows around her face. It's a little too muted down and a little too one tone. Just how conversant are you with PS or something similar, these days? Marnie aka DoeDigital isn't really less work. Actually lots of times it feels like more. :-) It is a bit muddy. My problem is that I'm doing this stuff on a laptop, and when I move my head a couple of degrees up or down the contrast changes markedly. I never know where the sweet spot is, so I'm guessing. I should have a CRT monitor within a couple of weeks that I can hook up to my laptop for PS work. Hopefully my levels and contrast will be much more consistent after that. Thanks for you comments -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Barmaid
In a message dated 10/22/2007 1:44:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is a bit muddy. My problem is that I'm doing this stuff on a laptop, and when I move my head a couple of degrees up or down the contrast changes markedly. I never know where the sweet spot is, so I'm guessing. I should have a CRT monitor within a couple of weeks that I can hook up to my laptop for PS work. Hopefully my levels and contrast will be much more consistent after that. Thanks for you comments -frank === Laptop monitors definitely hoover. Marnie :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: In the sandbox
Thanks Marnie. She's very nice to the other little girls, so hopefully they won't hate her :-). Paul On Oct 22, 2007, at 4:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/22/2007 7:48:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Frank. But that's not the pic:-). Grandpa had a senior moment and posted the wrong URL. Here's the sandbox shot. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553835 If I was a little girl, I'd hate Grace. :-) Just so cute all the time. Nice capture. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http:// www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Barmaid
Excellent shot. Would love to see it with brighter midrange tones. Paul On Oct 22, 2007, at 2:01 PM, frank theriault wrote: I took this a couple of weeks ago, but Derby's Glorious Beer inspired me to post it. http://tinyurl.com/2ncypz Like Derby's just a snap... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
