panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-12 Thread Subash
since no one seems to have posted the link here... :-)

http://www.dpreview.com/Previews/PanasonicG1/

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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-12 Thread Thibouille
First things I note (those are preliminary notes, I think it should be
compared before defenitive decision, speaking for me of course):

* it doesn't seem *that* small but it is very difficult to judge not
having a e.g. E420 next to it.

the quote at the end may stink IMO:

Lenses that are not compatible with the contrast AF function can be used with 
manual
focusing. There are some limitations to other functions when the lenses other 
than LUMIX G
VARIO 14-45mm/F3.5-F5.6 ASPH./MEGA O.I.S. and LUMIX G VARIO
45-200mm/F4.0-F5.6/MEGA O.I.S.

What would be the purpose of using 4/3 lens on a 4/3 camera if AF
doesn't work (as for the intended market of the camera, I agree it
heavily depends on the use of it).

It seems to me however, that it is a nice attempt and that in a couple
months this micro4/3 may indeed be a very interesting market segment.

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RE: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-12 Thread Bob W
it's an interesting idea, and if it leads to a high quality
rangefinder camera (perhaps something like the Contax G cameras) I'd
be interested. But I'm not at all sure that their stated market really
wants electronic viewfinders. Speaking for myself, my eyesight has
deteriorated to the point where I need reading glasses. I cannot focus
on the screen at the back of a camera unless I wear my reading
glasses, but I'm not prepared to wear them when I'm out and about
shooting - it is just not practical. I suspect an electronic
viewfinder would be unusable for me and for much of their target
market.

It is also rather silly of them to have a viewfinder with a different
format to the sensor! 

Bob

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 since no one seems to have posted the link here... :-)
 
 http://www.dpreview.com/Previews/PanasonicG1/
 


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OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread mike wilson
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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-12 Thread timber
 It seems to me however, that it is a nice attempt and that in a couple
 months this micro4/3 may indeed be a very interesting market segment.

The whole M4/3 system is still walks in baby-shoes. In 1975 when Pentax
created the Pentax K bayonett all of the older Pentax lenses (M42 Taks)
was useable with limitations... Did anyone complain? :)

.t



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Re: OT: Vuescan Software

2008-09-12 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Vuescan worked well with my Epson 2450. I could work with it much
 easier than Silver what ever it was.:-)

Same here, I've been using Vuescan since 2000 on a number of scanners
for hundreds of films. Great results. Initially a bit heavy on the
learning curve but then offers the fastest workflow of them all.  

Paid once for all scanner models, times and updates. Makes a great
difference to Silverscam where you keep paying for expensive upgrades in
the hope that the nasty bug that's been there for years has at last been
fixed in the new version. I eventually gave up because it never was.

Ralf

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Re: OT: Vuescan Software

2008-09-12 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/09/11 Thu PM 06:52:33 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: OT: Vuescan Software
 
 OK, I am not the brightest bulb in the pack. I just found out that
 there is such a thing as Vuescan. Does anyone out there use it and
 will it improve output from flatbed and film scanners?  I have an old
 HP Photosmart S20 and an old Canon 660 flatbed. Both work fine but if
 the new software would be an improvement I'm game to buy it.

The one big downside to Vuescan is (was?) the user interface.  Until you get 
used to it, it's somewhat akin to being the fish in the Monty Python 
fish-slapping dance.


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RE: OT: Vuescan Software

2008-09-12 Thread Antti-Pekka Virjonen
 Paid once for all scanner models, times and updates. Makes a great
 difference to Silverscam where you keep paying for expensive
 upgrades in the hope that the nasty bug that's been there for 
 years has at last been fixed in the new version. I eventually 
 gave up because it never was.
 
 Ralf

I gave up on Silverfast this week because of their bad support response
to my query of Vista 64bit compatibility for my Epson scanner. I did pay
them for updates several times and the product has been added with
lovely features but enough is enough.

VueScan works perfectly in my setup now and Ed provided quick support.

Antti-Pekka


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Re: The PDML Bike Curse Continues

2008-09-12 Thread David Mann
Ouch, sounds like pretty bad luck to land the way she did.  We have a  
token tourist tram here which runs in a loop within the central city.   
Those tracks cause quite a few cycle accidents (they have warning  
signs up in a couple of places).

I was lucky to avoid surgery when I broke my collarbone.  The ends had  
quite a bit of separation and the doc was concerned about how much the  
bone was poking the skin.  There's still a pretty good lump there and  
it feels very weird (and still causes problems with my camera bag  
strap).

I hope she heals quickly without any complications.

- Dave

On Sep 12, 2008, at 1:18 AM, frank theriault wrote:

 Not me, but I wish it was.

 Yesterday my eldest (she's 26) was riding home from school (she just
 started an intense ASL Interpreter course at a local college) when her
 back wheel got caught in a streetcar track.  She went down, landed
 awkwardly on her leg and fractured her tibia (shin bone) just below
 her patella (knee).  It will require surgery (plates and screws and
 all that) and she's just kind of hanging around (as an inpatient)
 waiting for an operating room.  Othopaedic surgeries are done
 mid-afternoon to about 11pm, but due to the non-life-threatening
 nature of her injury, she's not too high on the list it seems;
 hopefully in a day or two.

 She's heard different stories as to the timeframe for convalescing,
 anywhere from 6 weeks to 3 months.

 Luckily she's young and in pretty good shape, so her prognosis is
 good.  It could have been worse to be sure, and she's taking it like a
 trooper, but she's not too comfortable right now.

 I feel responsible, being a PDML member.  Obviously the PDML Bike
 Curse is communicable (or perhaps genetic)...

 ;-)

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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-12 Thread Sandy Harris
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 First things I note (those are preliminary notes, I think it should be
 compared before defenitive decision, speaking for me of course):

 * it doesn't seem *that* small but it is very difficult to judge not
 having a e.g. E420 next to it.

One way to judge: it is 380 grams. Searching DP-review for SLRs
under 500 g, I get only 5 -- E 520, 510, 420, 410, 400 ranging from
435 to 490 g.

Dimensions
G1130 x 91 x 53 mm
E420 124 x 84 x 45 mm

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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-12 Thread Luka Knezevic-Strika
Sandy,
you switched the size numbers of G1 and E420 - G1 is the small one

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Re: PESO - The True American Sports Car

2008-09-12 Thread John Graves
We did buy a CorvairReplaced a MG Sports Sedan...My wife's 
contribution our marriage, the MG that is  Why was every one surprised 
that a rear engined car was steered by the rear weight.  Fitch Chevrolet 
in CT ( I think) prepared Corvairs that would keep up with a lot of so 
called Sports cars.   But GM never really solved the oil leaks in the 
pancake engine.  As an aside, I saw a pretty Corvair at a local Car 
show. It had twin hollies and the owner claimed it went like spit.

Cheers,

John Graves
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 Almost bought a Corvair, not a stingray.:-)
 My brother in law had a Corvette. When we lived on the farm, we had to
 watch for them from the house, then go an get them.
 It would bottom out severely on the drive way.
 
 My GMC Jimmy was fine.:-)
 
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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-12 Thread Mike Hamilton
On 12-Sep-08, at 1:03 AM, Thibouille wrote:

 the quote at the end may stink IMO:

 Lenses that are not compatible with the contrast AF function can be  
 used with manual
 focusing. There are some limitations to other functions when the  
 lenses other than LUMIX G
 VARIO 14-45mm/F3.5-F5.6 ASPH./MEGA O.I.S. and LUMIX G VARIO
 45-200mm/F4.0-F5.6/MEGA O.I.S.

 What would be the purpose of using 4/3 lens on a 4/3 camera if AF
 doesn't work (as for the intended market of the camera, I agree it
 heavily depends on the use of it).

According to the DPReview preview:

• Four Thirds mount lenses via adapter (DMW-MA1PP)
Autofocus only available with:
- Olympus Zuiko 25 F2.8 'Pancake'
- Olympus Zuiko Digital ED 14-42mm F3.5-5.6
- Olympus Zuiko Digital ED 40-150mm F4-5.6
- Panasonic Leica D Summilux 25mm F1.4 ASPH
- Panasonic Leica D Vario-Elmar 14-50mm F3.8-5.6 ASPH. Mega OIS
- Panasonic Leica D Vario-Elmar 14-150mm F3.5-5.6 ASPH. Mega OIS

So that includes the 3 most commonly owned Olympus lenses.

Mike
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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-12 Thread David J Brooks
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:24 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It seems to me however, that it is a nice attempt and that in a couple
 months this micro4/3 may indeed be a very interesting market segment.

 The whole M4/3 system is still walks in baby-shoes. In 1975 when Pentax
 created the Pentax K bayonett all of the older Pentax lenses (M42 Taks)
 was useable with limitations... Did anyone complain? :)

Pentax Forum.

Dave

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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-12 Thread timber
 On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:24 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It seems to me however, that it is a nice attempt and that in a couple
 months this micro4/3 may indeed be a very interesting market segment.

 The whole M4/3 system is still walks in baby-shoes. In 1975 when Pentax
 created the Pentax K bayonett all of the older Pentax lenses (M42 Taks)
 was useable with limitations... Did anyone complain? :)

 Pentax Forum.

 Dave

I mean back in 1975... :D

Pentax Forum will always complain about something :D That's why we use
Pentax... we want to get to perfection as close as possible :D But since
we can't get to the total perfection we complain!

No camera is perfect, but Pentax is pretty close :D :D :D

.t


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Re: PESO - The True American Sports Car

2008-09-12 Thread David J Brooks
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:33 AM, John Graves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   But GM never really solved the oil leaks in the
 pancake engine.
 Cheers,

And after 100 years, they still cannot solve the clunking 2-3 shift in
the truck trannies.

Maybe the next 100 years will prove me wrong.

Dave

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Re: OT: Vuescan Software

2008-09-12 Thread David J Brooks
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:57 AM, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/09/11 Thu PM 06:52:33 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: OT: Vuescan Software

 OK, I am not the brightest bulb in the pack. I just found out that
 there is such a thing as Vuescan. Does anyone out there use it and
 will it improve output from flatbed and film scanners?  I have an old
 HP Photosmart S20 and an old Canon 660 flatbed. Both work fine but if
 the new software would be an improvement I'm game to buy it.

 The one big downside to Vuescan is (was?) the user interface.  Until you get 
 used to it, it's somewhat akin to being the fish in the Monty Python 
 fish-slapping dance.

Once you know how to scale those photos your ok.

Dave


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Re: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I feel happy. I feel happy.
(sung)
I am not dead yet
I can dance and I can sing
I am not dead yet
I can do the Highland Fling

I am not dead yet
No need to go to bed
No need to call the doctor
Cause I'm not yet dead.

BODIES:
He is not yet dead
That's what the geezer said
No, he's not yet dead
That man is off his head

He is not yet dead
So put him back in bed
Keep him off the cart because he's not yet dead.

Well now he's dead
You whacked him on the head
Sure, now he's dead
It makes me just see red
You are such a brute
To murder that old coot
You homicidal bastard, now he's really dead
Who is the knave who put him in his grave
And who needs to manage his anger?

LANCE:
My name is Lancelot
I'm big, and strong, and hot.
Occasionally I do
Some things that I should not.

ROBIN:
I want to be a knight
But I don't like to fight
I'm rather scared I may
Just simply run away

LANCE:
I'll be right with you
Robin, through and through and through
So stick with me
And I'll show you what to do

ROBIN:
We'll remain good chums
You can teach me how to dance

ROBIN  LANCE:
We're going to enlist

ROBIN
I'm Robin

LANCE
And I'm Lance

CHORUS:
Oh we're off to war
Because we're not yet dead
We will all enlist
As the Knights that Arthur led.

DAD:
I am coming too
My name will be Sir Fred
I'll be your musician
Cos I'm not yet dead

CHORUS:
Oh we're not yet dead
To Camelot we go
To enlist instead
To try and earn some dough
And so although
We should have stayed in bed
We're going off to war
Because we're not yet dead

FRED:
I am coming, too
My name will be Sir Fred
I'll be your musician
'Cause I'm not yet dead

LANCE:
To kill
I will
It gives me such a thrill

ROBIN:
To sing
And dance
And keep an eye on Lance

ALL:
We're going off to war
We'll have girlfriends by the score

DAD:
We'll be shot by Michael Moore!

ALL: Because we're not yet dead.

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Re: 7th anniversary of Sept 11th Attacks

2008-09-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2687999size=md

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sad anniversary here in the USA today.
 Many innocent people died at the hands of fanatics,
 just working dads and moms...
 Now we are caught in a vicious cycle of paying them back.
 I honor the heroes who tried to save them that day,
 and respect those who are the instruments of our vengeance.
 I'm sorry for those who suffer because of it.
 Just some thoughts from somebody who opposed the Vietnam War in its day,
 on this sad day.
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Re: 7th anniversary of Sept 11th Attacks

2008-09-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
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On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sad anniversary here in the USA today.
 Many innocent people died at the hands of fanatics,
 just working dads and moms...
 Now we are caught in a vicious cycle of paying them back.
 I honor the heroes who tried to save them that day,
 and respect those who are the instruments of our vengeance.
 I'm sorry for those who suffer because of it.
 Just some thoughts from somebody who opposed the Vietnam War in its day,
 on this sad day.
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Re: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread Jack Davis
I haven't reviewed the schedule lately, but I don't believe they have sent 
particles down the tube in opposite directions yet. Therefore, there has been 
no BIG BANG simulation crash as yet.
Not dead yet is appropriate. 8-(

Jack (holding my ears) 



--- On Fri, 9/12/08, Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: OT Are we dead?
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 7:01 AM
 I feel happy. I feel happy.
 (sung)
 I am not dead yet
 I can dance and I can sing
 I am not dead yet
 I can do the Highland Fling
 
 I am not dead yet
 No need to go to bed
 No need to call the doctor
 Cause I'm not yet dead.
 
 BODIES:
 He is not yet dead
 That's what the geezer said
 No, he's not yet dead
 That man is off his head
 
 He is not yet dead
 So put him back in bed
 Keep him off the cart because he's not yet dead.
 
 Well now he's dead
 You whacked him on the head
 Sure, now he's dead
 It makes me just see red
 You are such a brute
 To murder that old coot
 You homicidal bastard, now he's really dead
 Who is the knave who put him in his grave
 And who needs to manage his anger?
 
 LANCE:
 My name is Lancelot
 I'm big, and strong, and hot.
 Occasionally I do
 Some things that I should not.
 
 ROBIN:
 I want to be a knight
 But I don't like to fight
 I'm rather scared I may
 Just simply run away
 
 LANCE:
 I'll be right with you
 Robin, through and through and through
 So stick with me
 And I'll show you what to do
 
 ROBIN:
 We'll remain good chums
 You can teach me how to dance
 
 ROBIN  LANCE:
 We're going to enlist
 
 ROBIN
 I'm Robin
 
 LANCE
 And I'm Lance
 
 CHORUS:
 Oh we're off to war
 Because we're not yet dead
 We will all enlist
 As the Knights that Arthur led.
 
 DAD:
 I am coming too
 My name will be Sir Fred
 I'll be your musician
 Cos I'm not yet dead
 
 CHORUS:
 Oh we're not yet dead
 To Camelot we go
 To enlist instead
 To try and earn some dough
 And so although
 We should have stayed in bed
 We're going off to war
 Because we're not yet dead
 
 FRED:
 I am coming, too
 My name will be Sir Fred
 I'll be your musician
 'Cause I'm not yet dead
 
 LANCE:
 To kill
 I will
 It gives me such a thrill
 
 ROBIN:
 To sing
 And dance
 And keep an eye on Lance
 
 ALL:
 We're going off to war
 We'll have girlfriends by the score
 
 DAD:
 We'll be shot by Michael Moore!
 
 ALL: Because we're not yet dead.
 
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Re: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread DagT
Direct links to two web-cam in CERN so you can lookout for yourselves:
http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

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Re: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread DagT
And those of you who don´t think physics rock, it raps, and here´s a  
nice explanation from CERN .-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM


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PESO - Curvy Italian - Redux

2008-09-12 Thread frank theriault
Having listened to several suggestions, I've tweaked this beauty (the
car's a beauty if not the pic):

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/09/curvy-italian.html

Here's the original:

http://tinyurl.com/0

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SMU77Pp8fzI/DAc/P3xOxlwKMYQ/s1600-h/sept_08_09+001.jpg

Thanks to Brian, Godfrey and Paul for your advice!

What do you think?  New one improved and punchier?

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Re: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread Paul Stenquist
There's an interesting article about the Large Hadron Collider on the  
editorial page of today's New York Times. It's titled The Origins of  
the Universe: A Crash Course. It's probably on their website as well.
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Re: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread Christine Aguila
Quite frankly, I found the youtube piece pretty darn cool.  Thanks for 
sharing.  Sending a big bang of cheers, Christine


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And those of you who don´t think physics rock, it raps, and here´s a
nice explanation from CERN .-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM


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PESO - A Horse of a Different Colour

2008-09-12 Thread frank theriault
I really didn't intend a car theme these last few days, but after the
Lambo and the 'Vette, I thought this would be a fun counterpoint:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/09/cheval-of-different-colour.html

I'd love one of these things - until repair time, I suspect...

;-)

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Re: PESO - Curvy Italian - Redux

2008-09-12 Thread Jack Davis
I sort of like the less contrasty original. Gives it a more wispy ethereal feel.

Jack


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 Having listened to several suggestions, I've tweaked
 this beauty (the
 car's a beauty if not the pic):
 
 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/09/curvy-italian.html
 
 Here's the original:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/0
 
 http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SMU77Pp8fzI/DAc/P3xOxlwKMYQ/s1600-h/sept_08_09+001.jpg
 
 Thanks to Brian, Godfrey and Paul for your advice!
 
 What do you think?  New one improved and punchier?
 
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Re: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread Scott Loveless
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Crap.  Now I'm nervous and can't take my mind off it.  The half-dozen or 
so times I've checked that site haven't reassured me.

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PESO: roast corn

2008-09-12 Thread Subash
hi,

had been to the beach today, which generally has a country fair-like
atmosphere most days, more so on weekends. there are these stalls
selling roast corns which use wood stoves to roast the corns and
when the stove is fanned (sort of) it makes for a rather dramatic
picture.

http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/PESO#5245158232714118018

K10D, DA 50-200 @150mm. as usual, appreciate your comments.

regards, subash

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Re: PESO - A Horse of a Different Colour

2008-09-12 Thread David J Brooks
Nice. low angle really works here.

Dave

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 Lambo and the 'Vette, I thought this would be a fun counterpoint:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/09/cheval-of-different-colour.html

 I'd love one of these things - until repair time, I suspect...

 ;-)

 Comments always welcome.

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OT Italian bike pr0n

2008-09-12 Thread Bruce Walker
Some really nice pix (scroll way down page for galleries) ...

http://www.raydobbins.com/

Bargain basement equipment used: $35 Sears worklights, old PS cameras ...

http://www.raydobbins.com/photosetup.htm

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Re: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread Cotty
On 12/9/08, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:

Crap.  Now I'm nervous and can't take my mind off it.  The half-dozen or
so times I've checked that site haven't reassured me.

Well, when I saw you last, you looked a tiny bit alive, but I could have
been wrong.

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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-12 Thread Cotty
On 12/9/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

 I cannot focus
on the screen at the back of a camera unless I wear my reading
glasses, but I'm not prepared to wear them when I'm out and about
shooting - it is just not practical. I suspect an electronic
viewfinder would be unusable for me and for much of their target

Just as a point of information, the electronic viewfinder of my video
camera has an optical lens arrangement in front of if to allow focussing
of the eye onto the viewfinder. The focus for this is easy to change,
and I move it depending on weather I'm wearing my glasses or not. Much
as I hate these electronic viewfinders, and mine is extremely high
resolution (and a cathode ray tube to boot!), it is pretty easy to see
and use.

Probably smaller still cameras will not have as good an arrangement -
and again, it all depends on the quality of the screen. Most suck.

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Re: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 mike wilson wrote:
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 Crap.  Now I'm nervous and can't take my mind off it.  The half-dozen or
 so times I've checked that site haven't reassured me.

Is there an RSS feed, so we don't have to keep checking?

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Re: 7th anniversary of Sept 11th Attacks

2008-09-12 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sad anniversary here in the USA today.
 Many innocent people died at the hands of fanatics,
 just working dads and moms...
 Now we are caught in a vicious cycle of paying them back.
 I honor the heroes who tried to save them that day,
 and respect those who are the instruments of our vengeance.
 I'm sorry for those who suffer because of it.
 Just some thoughts from somebody who opposed the Vietnam War in its day,
 on this sad day.


Thanks, Bob.

So far there have been no winners in the aftermath of 9/11 other than
weapons manufacturers.

My heart goes out to the families and friends of the victims of the
WTC, many of whom still suffer in the aftermath of that horrible,
cowardly attack.  It goes out to the military people in the mid-east
and their families back home.  It goes out to the widows and children
of lost soldiers (Canada has lost a couple of hundred soldiers in
Afghanistan).

My heart goes out to the innocent civilian victims in Afghanistan and
Iraq whose only crime was to be born in a country caught in the midst
of war.

Maybe one day we'll figure out a way to gain peace that doesn't
involve war.  Using violence only seems to promote more violence.
Going to war seems to create more problems than it solves.
Something's not working here.

Thanks again.

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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-12 Thread P. J. Alling
They're still hobbled by the small sensor size.  As technology improves 
and 24x36mm sensors become more prevalent, (and there's no upgrade path 
even possible), I think this will be relegated to a second class system, 
sort of where 4:3 is headed today. The same issue that always comes up 
when comparing formats, bigger is better, (higher image quality), if you 
can afford it.

Mike Johnson had an interesting take on lens compactness.  He always 
thought that amateurs liked telephotos for their extra reach, smaller 
formats make for smaller long lenses with the same reach, so that would 
be good.  But it's not the  effective focal length it's the physical 
size that matters.  Most amateurs want big lenses because they look more 
impressive.  My 400 captures the same image, (on my sensor), as your 800 
on your's, but the 800 trumps.

In other words size /still/ matters.

Subash wrote:
 since no one seems to have posted the link here... :-)

 http://www.dpreview.com/Previews/PanasonicG1/

   


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Re: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread P. J. Alling
Funny, I don't feel dead.

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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-12 Thread P. J. Alling
If I remember correctly Pentax sold the Spotmatic F SP1000 and ESII 
alongside the KM KX and K2 for at least a year maybe two so you still 
had a choice.  In fact Pentax had only gone over to an Open aperture 
metering system a couple of years earlier so most users lost only auto 
diaphragm which which didn't mean much to me I was still using a 
Spotmatic (non F). 

I don't think a lot of current users of 4:3 system cameras will go 
over.  Panasonic is banking on new users trading up from PS or ZLR's.

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 It seems to me however, that it is a nice attempt and that in a couple
 months this micro4/3 may indeed be a very interesting market segment.
 

 The whole M4/3 system is still walks in baby-shoes. In 1975 when Pentax
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Re: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread Bob Blakely
Yes. You were sucked into the ever expanding, all consuming black hole that 
was formed by the super collider.

Report directly to your designated hell.

Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. Go directly to your designated hell.

If, on your next or subsequent turns you roll a Plank's constant, a new 
universe will be created and you will be returned to play. You must start at 
Go as an amoeba, land on Chance and receive an Evolve thumbs card to 
hold your new Asahiflex camera- assuming others have evolved thumbs and 
reinvented it.

Regards
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I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad.
I grieve over them long winter evenings.
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Re: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread P. J. Alling
This is so much more phun...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM



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 Direct links to two web-cam in CERN so you can lookout for yourselves:
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Re: PESO - Curvy Italian - Redux

2008-09-12 Thread P. J. Alling
Your tiny URL is kerplunkted...

frank theriault wrote:
 Having listened to several suggestions, I've tweaked this beauty (the
 car's a beauty if not the pic):

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/09/curvy-italian.html

 Here's the original:

 http://tinyurl.com/0

 http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SMU77Pp8fzI/DAc/P3xOxlwKMYQ/s1600-h/sept_08_09+001.jpg

 Thanks to Brian, Godfrey and Paul for your advice!

 What do you think?  New one improved and punchier?

 thanks,
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Re: PESO - Curvy Italian - Redux

2008-09-12 Thread P. J. Alling
Let me swim against the tide by saying I prefer the original...

frank theriault wrote:
 Having listened to several suggestions, I've tweaked this beauty (the
 car's a beauty if not the pic):

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/09/curvy-italian.html

 Here's the original:

 http://tinyurl.com/0

 http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SMU77Pp8fzI/DAc/P3xOxlwKMYQ/s1600-h/sept_08_09+001.jpg

 Thanks to Brian, Godfrey and Paul for your advice!

 What do you think?  New one improved and punchier?

 thanks,
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Re: PESO - Curvy Italian - Redux

2008-09-12 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:00 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Your tiny URL is kerplunkted...

http://tinyurl.com/3t2pfn

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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-12 Thread Jack Davis
Will the fact that the sensor is closer to the lens produce a sharper image?
Will the image circle of existing 4:3 lenses not completely cover the sensor, 
therefore, producing vignetting, but increasing the telescopic effect?
Do to a gain in DOF, will small aperture diffraction be reduced?

Please be gentle. ;)


Jack



--- On Fri, 9/12/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 9:45 AM
 They're still hobbled by the small sensor size.  As
 technology improves 
 and 24x36mm sensors become more prevalent, (and there's
 no upgrade path 
 even possible), I think this will be relegated to a second
 class system, 
 sort of where 4:3 is headed today. The same issue that
 always comes up 
 when comparing formats, bigger is better, (higher image
 quality), if you 
 can afford it.
 
 Mike Johnson had an interesting take on lens compactness. 
 He always 
 thought that amateurs liked telephotos for their extra
 reach, smaller 
 formats make for smaller long lenses with the same reach,
 so that would 
 be good.  But it's not the  effective focal length
 it's the physical 
 size that matters.  Most amateurs want big lenses because
 they look more 
 impressive.  My 400 captures the same image, (on my
 sensor), as your 800 
 on your's, but the 800 trumps.
 
 In other words size /still/ matters.
 
 Subash wrote:
  since no one seems to have posted the link here... :-)
 
  http://www.dpreview.com/Previews/PanasonicG1/
 

 
 
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Re: PESO - Curvy Italian - Redux

2008-09-12 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:01 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Let me swim against the tide by saying I prefer the original...

Two commented and two like the original.  So far you and Jack seem to
be setting the pace, no matter which way the tide it going...

;-)

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Re: PESO - Curvy Italian - Redux

2008-09-12 Thread Paul Sorenson
I prefer a little more contrast and like the second better.

Struggling against the tide...

-p

frank theriault wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:01 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Let me swim against the tide by saying I prefer the original...
 
 Two commented and two like the original.  So far you and Jack seem to
 be setting the pace, no matter which way the tide it going...
 
 ;-)
 
 Thanks to both of you for commenting.
 
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Re: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
Oh that's gonna be hard to do.

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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-12 Thread P. J. Alling
Jack Davis wrote:
 Will the fact that the sensor is closer to the lens produce a sharper image?
   
Probably not.
 Will the image circle of existing 4:3 lenses not completely cover the sensor, 
 therefore, producing vignetting, but increasing the telescopic effect?
 Do to a gain in DOF, will small aperture diffraction be reduced?
   
No more than on current 4:3 cameras.
 Please be gentle. ;)
   
Suffer.

 Jack



 --- On Fri, 9/12/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 9:45 AM
 They're still hobbled by the small sensor size.  As
 technology improves 
 and 24x36mm sensors become more prevalent, (and there's
 no upgrade path 
 even possible), I think this will be relegated to a second
 class system, 
 sort of where 4:3 is headed today. The same issue that
 always comes up 
 when comparing formats, bigger is better, (higher image
 quality), if you 
 can afford it.

 Mike Johnson had an interesting take on lens compactness. 
 He always 
 thought that amateurs liked telephotos for their extra
 reach, smaller 
 formats make for smaller long lenses with the same reach,
 so that would 
 be good.  But it's not the  effective focal length
 it's the physical 
 size that matters.  Most amateurs want big lenses because
 they look more 
 impressive.  My 400 captures the same image, (on my
 sensor), as your 800 
 on your's, but the 800 trumps.

 In other words size /still/ matters.

 Subash wrote:
 
 since no one seems to have posted the link here... :-)

 http://www.dpreview.com/Previews/PanasonicG1/

   
   
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Re: 7th anniversary of Sept 11th Attacks

2008-09-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
My feelings too Frank...   Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 11:33 AM, frank theriault
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 On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sad anniversary here in the USA today.
 Many innocent people died at the hands of fanatics,
 just working dads and moms...
 Now we are caught in a vicious cycle of paying them back.
 I honor the heroes who tried to save them that day,
 and respect those who are the instruments of our vengeance.
 I'm sorry for those who suffer because of it.
 Just some thoughts from somebody who opposed the Vietnam War in its day,
 on this sad day.


 Thanks, Bob.

 So far there have been no winners in the aftermath of 9/11 other than
 weapons manufacturers.

 My heart goes out to the families and friends of the victims of the
 WTC, many of whom still suffer in the aftermath of that horrible,
 cowardly attack.  It goes out to the military people in the mid-east
 and their families back home.  It goes out to the widows and children
 of lost soldiers (Canada has lost a couple of hundred soldiers in
 Afghanistan).

 My heart goes out to the innocent civilian victims in Afghanistan and
 Iraq whose only crime was to be born in a country caught in the midst
 of war.

 Maybe one day we'll figure out a way to gain peace that doesn't
 involve war.  Using violence only seems to promote more violence.
 Going to war seems to create more problems than it solves.
 Something's not working here.

 Thanks again.

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Re: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread P. J. Alling
I'm selling irrational dice, want to buy a set?

Bob Sullivan wrote:
 Oh that's gonna be hard to do.

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Re: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread Gonz
I thought that it was the Obama web site

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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-12 Thread Jack Davis
A closer proximity of lens and film would produce a sharper image..however 
imperceptible, but your answer is what I would guess in the case with pixels.
I would think, however, that the same DOF might be possible with a somewhat 
larger aperture and diffraction reduced accordingly.(?)

Thanks, Peter!

Final thoughts on the issue,

Jack


--- On Fri, 9/12/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 10:17 AM
 Jack Davis wrote:
  Will the fact that the sensor is closer to the lens
 produce a sharper image?

 Probably not.
  Will the image circle of existing 4:3 lenses not
 completely cover the sensor, therefore, producing
 vignetting, but increasing the telescopic effect?
  Do to a gain in DOF, will small aperture diffraction
 be reduced?

 No more than on current 4:3 cameras.
  Please be gentle. ;)

 Suffer.
 
  Jack
 
 
 
  --- On Fri, 9/12/08, P. J. Alling
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

  From: P. J. Alling
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds
 camera: G1
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 pdml@pdml.net
  Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 9:45 AM
  They're still hobbled by the small sensor
 size.  As
  technology improves 
  and 24x36mm sensors become more prevalent, (and
 there's
  no upgrade path 
  even possible), I think this will be relegated to
 a second
  class system, 
  sort of where 4:3 is headed today. The same issue
 that
  always comes up 
  when comparing formats, bigger is better, (higher
 image
  quality), if you 
  can afford it.
 
  Mike Johnson had an interesting take on lens
 compactness. 
  He always 
  thought that amateurs liked telephotos for their
 extra
  reach, smaller 
  formats make for smaller long lenses with the same
 reach,
  so that would 
  be good.  But it's not the  effective focal
 length
  it's the physical 
  size that matters.  Most amateurs want big lenses
 because
  they look more 
  impressive.  My 400 captures the same image, (on
 my
  sensor), as your 800 
  on your's, but the 800 trumps.
 
  In other words size /still/ matters.
 
  Subash wrote:
  
  since no one seems to have posted the link
 here... :-)
 
  http://www.dpreview.com/Previews/PanasonicG1/
 


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Re: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
LOL!  Now play nice, he's one of our Illinois boys...   Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: PESO - The True American Sports Car

2008-09-12 Thread Ken Waller
Ah the American Porsche

I had a 61 Monza - a decent vehicle.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PESO - The True American Sports Car


 On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:42 PM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 Never a fan of the stingray, but, thatys a nice angle and conversion./
 Reflections are nice to see.
 Dave

 The Stingray was my mostest favourite of the 'Vettes.  With sidepipes
 and a hoodscoop, please.

 ;-)

 Here's a very similar view of a vastly different Chevrolet:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/07/car-that-launched-political-career.html

 Now what do you have to say about Stingrays, Dave?


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RE: PESO - A Horse of a Different Colour

2008-09-12 Thread Bob W
They used to run an advert for the deuche over here with the headline
'Faster than a speeding Ferrari' over a picture of a 2CV. The copy
then informed us that travelling downhill with the wind at its back
the 2CV could go faster than a Ferrari that was doing 61mph on a 60mph
road.

They're wonderful cars, although I wouldn't want to own one (one of my
brothers had one for a while). They're easy to repair, having only 5
moving parts (if you're lucky), and there's room in the back for a
sheep. Citroen still make some very idiosyncratic and interesting
cars. I quite like the Citroen C cars at the moment, although the
smaller ones are not terribly good in the Alps. Trust me.

Bob 

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 Sent: 12 September 2008 16:20
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 Subject: PESO - A Horse of a Different Colour
 
 I really didn't intend a car theme these last few days, but after
the
 Lambo and the 'Vette, I thought this would be a fun counterpoint:
 
 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/09/cheval-of-different
-colour.html
 
 I'd love one of these things - until repair time, I suspect...
 
 ;-)
 
 Comments always welcome.
 
 cheers,
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RE: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread Bob W
 
How do you know?

 
 Funny, I don't feel dead.
 
 mike wilson wrote:
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RE: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread Bob W
  mike wilson wrote:
  http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/
 
  Crap.  Now I'm nervous and can't take my mind off it.  The 
 half-dozen or
  so times I've checked that site haven't reassured me.
 
 Is there an RSS feed, so we don't have to keep checking?
 

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Re: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread DagT
I did send that, but this is even better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXzugu39pKM

DagT

Den 12. sep.. 2008 kl. 18.58 skrev P. J. Alling:

 This is so much more phun...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM



 DagT wrote:
 Direct links to two web-cam in CERN so you can lookout for  
 yourselves:
 http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

 DagT

 Den 12. sep.. 2008 kl. 09.21 skrev mike wilson:


 http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/


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RE: The PDML Bike Curse Continues

2008-09-12 Thread Bob W
Things can always get worse:
http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2008/09/10/news/top/news01.txt

Bob 

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 Sent: 11 September 2008 14:18
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 Subject: The PDML Bike Curse Continues
 
 Not me, but I wish it was.
 
 Yesterday my eldest (she's 26) was riding home from school (she just
 started an intense ASL Interpreter course at a local college) when
her
 back wheel got caught in a streetcar track.  She went down, landed
 awkwardly on her leg and fractured her tibia (shin bone) just below
 her patella (knee).  It will require surgery (plates and screws and
 all that) and she's just kind of hanging around (as an inpatient)
 waiting for an operating room.  Othopaedic surgeries are done
 mid-afternoon to about 11pm, but due to the non-life-threatening
 nature of her injury, she's not too high on the list it seems;
 hopefully in a day or two.
 
 She's heard different stories as to the timeframe for convalescing,
 anywhere from 6 weeks to 3 months.
 
 Luckily she's young and in pretty good shape, so her prognosis is
 good.  It could have been worse to be sure, and she's taking it like
a
 trooper, but she's not too comfortable right now.
 
 I feel responsible, being a PDML member.  Obviously the PDML Bike
 Curse is communicable (or perhaps genetic)...
 
 ;-)
 
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PESO - dreampath

2008-09-12 Thread AlunFoto
http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2008/09/dreampath.html

Any and all comments appreciated.

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Re: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread Bruce Walker
Matthew Hunt wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 mike wilson wrote:
 
 http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/
   
 Crap.  Now I'm nervous and can't take my mind off it.  The half-dozen or
 so times I've checked that site haven't reassured me.
 

 Is there an RSS feed, so we don't have to keep checking?

   
Actually, yes:

http://www.hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/atom.xml



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Re: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Bruce Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Matthew Hunt wrote:
 Is there an RSS feed, so we don't have to keep checking?
 Actually, yes:

 http://www.hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/atom.xml

Perfect, I've added it to Google Reader.

Now, I think I'll set up a Google News Alert for my own obituary.  No
reason to put on pants in the morning if I don't have to.

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PESO: Beach Shadows

2008-09-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7829199size=md

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Re: PESO: Beach Shadows

2008-09-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dan,
Beautiful shadows moving thru the sand.
The plants you could keep or loose.
Regards,  Bob S.

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RE: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread Bob W
Interesting to learn from the related videos that Nostradamus got it
wrong.

Again.

Why did we hire this guy? 

Bob 

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 I did send that, but this is even better:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXzugu39pKM
 
 DagT
 
 Den 12. sep.. 2008 kl. 18.58 skrev P. J. Alling:
 
  This is so much more phun...
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM
 
 
 
  DagT wrote:
  Direct links to two web-cam in CERN so you can lookout for  
  yourselves:
  http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html
 
  DagT
 
  Den 12. sep.. 2008 kl. 09.21 skrev mike wilson:
 
 
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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-12 Thread P. J. Alling
Jack Davis wrote:
 A closer proximity of lens and film would produce a sharper image..however 
 imperceptible, but your answer is what I would guess in the case with pixels.
 I would think, however, that the same DOF might be possible with a somewhat 
 larger aperture and diffraction reduced accordingly.(?)
   
I don't see why the second point would be true, the focal length would 
be the same so the actual aperture would be the same size.  You might be 
right about the sharpness, but I would think lens characteristics would 
be more important than the airspace between the objective and the 
sensor.  One of the sharpest lenses I own is the 4 inch, (100mm), 5 
element 4 group f3.5 Kodak Ektar on my Medalist II,, (6x9 on 120 film), 
it's relatively simple geometry means that theres a lot of airspace 
between it and the film, at least 6 times the distance as the equivelent 
35mm lens, (Pentax 43mm limited), yet it's performance is similar, in 
fact it's actually quite a bit better wide open.  (I'd post a sample but 
I don't have a medium format capable scanner set up right now).
 Thanks, Peter!

 Final thoughts on the issue,

 Jack


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 Subject: Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 10:17 AM
 Jack Davis wrote:
 
 Will the fact that the sensor is closer to the lens
   
 produce a sharper image?
 
   
   
 Probably not.
 
 Will the image circle of existing 4:3 lenses not
   
 completely cover the sensor, therefore, producing
 vignetting, but increasing the telescopic effect?
 
 Do to a gain in DOF, will small aperture diffraction
   
 be reduced?
 
   
   
 No more than on current 4:3 cameras.
 
 Please be gentle. ;)
   
   
 Suffer.
 
 Jack



 --- On Fri, 9/12/08, P. J. Alling
   
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 Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 9:45 AM
 They're still hobbled by the small sensor
 
 size.  As
 
 technology improves 
 and 24x36mm sensors become more prevalent, (and
 
 there's
 
 no upgrade path 
 even possible), I think this will be relegated to
 
 a second
 
 class system, 
 sort of where 4:3 is headed today. The same issue
 
 that
 
 always comes up 
 when comparing formats, bigger is better, (higher
 
 image
 
 quality), if you 
 can afford it.

 Mike Johnson had an interesting take on lens
 
 compactness. 
 
 He always 
 thought that amateurs liked telephotos for their
 
 extra
 
 reach, smaller 
 formats make for smaller long lenses with the same
 
 reach,
 
 so that would 
 be good.  But it's not the  effective focal
 
 length
 
 it's the physical 
 size that matters.  Most amateurs want big lenses
 
 because
 
 they look more 
 impressive.  My 400 captures the same image, (on
 
 my
 
 sensor), as your 800 
 on your's, but the 800 trumps.

 In other words size /still/ matters.

 Subash wrote:
 
 
 since no one seems to have posted the link
   
 here... :-)
 
 http://www.dpreview.com/Previews/PanasonicG1/

   
   
   
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Re: PESO: Beach Shadows

2008-09-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks for the comments, Bob.

Here's one without the plants, but the shadow pattern is not quite the same:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7829201

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 Dan,
 Beautiful shadows moving thru the sand.
 The plants you could keep or loose.
 Regards,  Bob S.

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 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7829199size=md

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Re: PESO - A Horse of a Different Colour

2008-09-12 Thread P. J. Alling
Always reminded me of a slightly more bizarre SAAB 96...

Bob W wrote:
 They used to run an advert for the deuche over here with the headline
 'Faster than a speeding Ferrari' over a picture of a 2CV. The copy
 then informed us that travelling downhill with the wind at its back
 the 2CV could go faster than a Ferrari that was doing 61mph on a 60mph
 road.

 They're wonderful cars, although I wouldn't want to own one (one of my
 brothers had one for a while). They're easy to repair, having only 5
 moving parts (if you're lucky), and there's room in the back for a
 sheep. Citroen still make some very idiosyncratic and interesting
 cars. I quite like the Citroen C cars at the moment, although the
 smaller ones are not terribly good in the Alps. Trust me.

 Bob 

   
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 Subject: PESO - A Horse of a Different Colour

 I really didn't intend a car theme these last few days, but after
 
 the
   
 Lambo and the 'Vette, I thought this would be a fun counterpoint:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/09/cheval-of-different
 
 -colour.html
   
 I'd love one of these things - until repair time, I suspect...

 ;-)

 Comments always welcome.

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Re: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread P. J. Alling
I always figured dead would feel different, could be wrong I suppose...

Bob W wrote:
  
 How do you know?

   
 Funny, I don't feel dead.

 mike wilson wrote:
 
 http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/


   


   


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Re: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread P. J. Alling
That's not quite as much fun.  It's more or less like the bitmap I used 
for wall paper on my computer when I was working for a communications 
company.  I've long since lost it but it was a beautiful rendition of a 
molten hot planetoid (about 1/4th the size), crashing into blue planet 
with compression rings in the atmosphere.  People would comment on how 
life like it was, not realizing just how disturbing it was, (North 
America was just visible through the clouds)...

DagT wrote:
 I did send that, but this is even better:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXzugu39pKM

 DagT

 Den 12. sep.. 2008 kl. 18.58 skrev P. J. Alling:

   
 This is so much more phun...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM



 DagT wrote:
 
 Direct links to two web-cam in CERN so you can lookout for  
 yourselves:
 http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

 DagT

 Den 12. sep.. 2008 kl. 09.21 skrev mike wilson:


   
 http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/


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Re: OT: Vuescan Software

2008-09-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Been using Vuescan to drive every scanner I've owned since 2000. I  
don't use anything else.

For the HP S20 in particular it was a big improvement over the [EMAIL 
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software HP produced ... including the 'none' for Mac OS.

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Anyone know of software that can do this

2008-09-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Is there any software that can put a visible watermark on photos from 
EXIF data? What I'm thinking of is something like the old data 
imprinting on film cameras that would put the time and date onto each of 
your photos. It needs to be automated and batch-capable for my purposes.

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Re: PESO - dreampath

2008-09-12 Thread Jack Davis
Well named. Very much like the classic S curve path.

Jack


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 http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2008/09/dreampath.html
 
 Any and all comments appreciated.
 
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Re: Anyone know of software that can do this

2008-09-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Lightroom 2 can output JPEGs from the Print module with whatever  
metadata you select extracted as picture info embedded along the  
bottom of the image, although not as a watermark. It can also embed a  
watermark into the image as well.

Godfrey

On Sep 12, 2008, at 1:16 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Is there any software that can put a visible watermark on photos from
 EXIF data? What I'm thinking of is something like the old data
 imprinting on film cameras that would put the time and date onto  
 each of
 your photos. It needs to be automated and batch-capable for my  
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Re: PESO - A Horse of a Different Colour

2008-09-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I'd love one too. Repairing them should be dirt easy ... they're one  
of the simplest cars ever made.

G

On Sep 12, 2008, at 8:20 AM, frank theriault wrote:

 I really didn't intend a car theme these last few days, but after the
 Lambo and the 'Vette, I thought this would be a fun counterpoint:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/09/cheval-of-different-colour.html

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Re: OT Are we dead?

2008-09-12 Thread AlunFoto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neTsQng-70o

 :-) :-) :-)

Jostein

2008/9/12 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I always figured dead would feel different, could be wrong I suppose...

 Bob W wrote:

 How do you know?


 Funny, I don't feel dead.

 mike wilson wrote:

 http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/








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PESO - No Brakes

2008-09-12 Thread frank theriault
Warning, more bike porn.

I know I've already had a PESO and a half today, so my apologies for
piling 'em on, but I wanted to post it before the weekend - otherwise
I'd forget on Monday.

I'm curious as to what people think of the rendering (as well as the
rest of it...).

http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2008/09/no-brakes.html

Scroll down, please...

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Re: PESO - A Horse of a Different Colour

2008-09-12 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'd love one too. Repairing them should be dirt easy ... they're one
 of the simplest cars ever made.

 G

 On Sep 12, 2008, at 8:20 AM, frank theriault wrote:

 I really didn't intend a car theme these last few days, but after the
 Lambo and the 'Vette, I thought this would be a fun counterpoint:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/09/cheval-of-different-colour.html

 I'd love one of these things - until repair time, I suspect...

Well, yeah, simple is great, I'm thinking that if any parts are
required, one will pay through the nose.

cheers,
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Re: PESO - dreampath

2008-09-12 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:32 PM, AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2008/09/dreampath.html

 Any and all comments appreciated.

That's beautiful, Jostein.  What causes the smearing of the green?
PS trickery or something else?

;-)

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Re: PESO: Beach Shadows

2008-09-12 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7829199size=md


Exquisite!

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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
 Will the fact that the sensor is closer to the lens produce a  
 sharper image?

 Probably not.
 Will the image circle of existing 4:3 lenses not completely cover  
 the sensor, therefore, producing vignetting, but increasing the  
 telescopic effect?
 Do to a gain in DOF, will small aperture diffraction be reduced?

 No more than on current 4:3 cameras.


The format is the same as 4/3 so all 4/3 lenses will cover the format  
perfectly, using the 4/3-m4/3 adapter, and there will be no  
difference in imaging quality with them. There just won't be a flippy  
mirror in the way so the body will be quiet and vibrationless. The FoV- 
DoF of 4/3 will remain the same with m4/3 ... in other words, a 25mm  
lens on either will show exactly the same image characteristics at the  
same aperture and focus distance ... modulo the difference in lens  
design of course.

The shorter register means that simpler, less expensive, smaller and  
lighter lens designs can be made with equal quality to what is made  
now for the SLR bodies ... a 20mm f/1.7 (on the roadmap) for m4/3 will  
be 30-50% smaller than the size of the same lens designed for the DSLR  
bodies since you could do it with a non-retrofocus design. EG: the  
Leica Summilux-D 25mm f/1.4 ASPH for the SLR bodies, redesigned for  
m4/3, could be as small as a 35mm film rangefinder camera's 25mm f/1.4  
and one third the weight of the current lens, which requires a very  
complex retrofocus lens design to achieve its quality and speed.

Older 4/3 SLR lenses were not designed for contrast-detect AF focusing  
algorithms. Lenses produced since Olympus/Panasonic/Leica pioneered  
Live View in DSLRs, and then pioneered CDAF. All lenses produced since  
CDAF in SLRs was invented, and those that have been given focusing  
algorithm firmware updates, are what works with the m4/3 focusing  
system. Others are manually focused and some of the fancy face detect  
and follow focus features are not available, that's all.

Of the list of compatible 4/3 lenses, I've got all the ones that  
matter already (Leica 14-50/2.8-3.5, Leica 25/1.4, Olympus 25/2.8 ...).

Yes, size matters. I want my cameras to be smaller, lighter, easier to  
carry and returning the same quality as what I have now. ];-)

For the way I use a viewfinder, if Panasonic has done what I think  
they have, this will be a fantastic addition to my kit.  I wouldn't  
pass judgement until I see one ... can't wait to see one. And they've  
got the lens I MOST want on the roadmap for next year ... a 20mm f/1.7  
prime. Now that makes me happy.

G

(as you might imagine, I could give a toss about so-called full  
frame...)

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Re: PESO - dreampath

2008-09-12 Thread Ken Waller
I like it - nicely done.

Multiple exposures ?

Kenneth Waller
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Subject: PESO - dreampath


 http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2008/09/dreampath.html

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Re: OT Italian bike pr0n

2008-09-12 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Bruce Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Some really nice pix (scroll way down page for galleries) ...

 http://www.raydobbins.com/

 Bargain basement equipment used: $35 Sears worklights, old PS cameras ...

 http://www.raydobbins.com/photosetup.htm


Some lovely old iron in there!

Thanks for the link.

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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 12, 2008, at 6:03 AM, Mike Hamilton wrote:

 - Olympus Zuiko 25 F2.8 'Pancake'
 - Olympus Zuiko Digital ED 14-42mm F3.5-5.6
 - Olympus Zuiko Digital ED 40-150mm F4-5.6
 - Panasonic Leica D Summilux 25mm F1.4 ASPH
 - Panasonic Leica D Vario-Elmar 14-50mm F3.8-5.6 ASPH. Mega OIS
 - Panasonic Leica D Vario-Elmar 14-150mm F3.5-5.6 ASPH. Mega OIS

Ah, I misspoke. I have two of them ... the two 25mm lenses. No problem  
really, they're what I use 90% of the time anyway. ;-)

G

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Re: PESO: Beach Shadows

2008-09-12 Thread Christine Aguila
Dan:  I like your second beach shadow peso best.  Very, very nice.  Quite 
lovely.  Cheers, Christine


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Subject: Re: PESO: Beach Shadows


 Thanks for the comments, Bob.

 Here's one without the plants, but the shadow pattern is not quite the 
 same:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7829201

 On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 Dan,
 Beautiful shadows moving thru the sand.
 The plants you could keep or loose.
 Regards,  Bob S.

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 wrote:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7829199size=md

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Re: Beach Shadows

2008-09-12 Thread Ken Waller
In my opinion this needs to be sumplified as there is too much in the photo 
calling for my attention. Perhaps just some ripples or an isolated beach 
plant amid the ripples.

Kenneth Waller
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 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7829199size=md


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Re: PESO - Curvy Italian - Redux

2008-09-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I use a powerboat ... to heck with the tide. The new one is much  
better ... more contrast to complement the crisp lines of the Lambo's  
design.

Godfrey
  ... ex-Lamborghini driver and still devoted ...

On Sep 12, 2008, at 7:54 AM, frank theriault wrote:

 Having listened to several suggestions, I've tweaked this beauty (the
 car's a beauty if not the pic):

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/09/curvy-italian.html

 Here's the original:

 http://tinyurl.com/0

 http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SMU77Pp8fzI/DAc/P3xOxlwKMYQ/s1600-h/sept_08_09+001.jpg

 Thanks to Brian, Godfrey and Paul for your advice!

 What do you think?  New one improved and punchier?


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Re: PESO: Beach Shadows

2008-09-12 Thread Ken Waller
Dan, I like this much more than your previous post.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

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From: Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PESO: Beach Shadows


 Thanks for the comments, Bob.

 Here's one without the plants, but the shadow pattern is not quite the 
 same:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7829201

 On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 Dan,
 Beautiful shadows moving thru the sand.
 The plants you could keep or loose.
 Regards,  Bob S.

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 wrote:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7829199size=md
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Re: PESO - dreampath

2008-09-12 Thread Christine Aguila
Jostein:  I love it!!!  That's very emotionally dreamy and technically 
impressive.  I'm interested, too, in your answer to Ken's question about 
multiple exposures.  So? :-)  Cheers, Christine


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 http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2008/09/dreampath.html

 Any and all comments appreciated.

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Re: PESO - A Horse of a Different Colour

2008-09-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Sep 12, 2008, at 1:33 PM, frank theriault wrote:

 Well, yeah, simple is great, I'm thinking that if any parts are
 required, one will pay through the nose

There's a specialist in Santa Cruz, CA who services 2CVs. Parts are  
dirt cheap, last I checked. It's a very simple car and was made for an  
eon ... even body panels are tin-junk as original, they *can't* cost  
too much. ;-)

Godfrey

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Re: PESO - No Brakes

2008-09-12 Thread Ken Waller
knarF - for me to image is lessened by the unfortunate intersection of the 
diagonal shadow in the LLH corner, with the lower part of the bike.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

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Subject: PESO - No Brakes


 Warning, more bike porn.

 I know I've already had a PESO and a half today, so my apologies for
 piling 'em on, but I wanted to post it before the weekend - otherwise
 I'd forget on Monday.

 I'm curious as to what people think of the rendering (as well as the
 rest of it...).

 http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2008/09/no-brakes.html


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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-12 Thread Jack Davis
OK, Peter, it seems the general consensus is that, as you say, DoF is affected 
only by focal length. (manufacturing variations notwithstanding).
Found a Google discussion on the lens to film distance effect on DoF.

Jack



--- On Fri, 9/12/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 12:51 PM
 Jack Davis wrote:
  A closer proximity of lens and film would
 produce a sharper image..however imperceptible, but your
 answer is what I would guess in the case with pixels.
  I would think, however, that the same DOF might be
 possible with a somewhat larger aperture and diffraction
 reduced accordingly.(?)

 I don't see why the second point would be true, the
 focal length would 
 be the same so the actual aperture would be the same size. 
 You might be 
 right about the sharpness, but I would think lens
 characteristics would 
 be more important than the airspace between the objective
 and the 
 sensor.  One of the sharpest lenses I own is
 the 4 inch, (100mm), 5 
 element 4 group f3.5 Kodak Ektar on my Medalist II,, (6x9
 on 120 film), 
 it's relatively simple geometry means that theres a lot
 of airspace 
 between it and the film, at least 6 times the distance as
 the equivelent 
 35mm lens, (Pentax 43mm limited), yet it's performance
 is similar, in 
 fact it's actually quite a bit better wide open. 
 (I'd post a sample but 
 I don't have a medium format capable scanner set up
 right now).
  Thanks, Peter!
 
  Final thoughts on the issue,
 
  Jack
 
 
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

  From: P. J. Alling
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds
 camera: G1
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 pdml@pdml.net
  Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 10:17 AM
  Jack Davis wrote:
  
  Will the fact that the sensor is closer to the
 lens

  produce a sharper image?
  


  Probably not.
  
  Will the image circle of existing 4:3 lenses
 not

  completely cover the sensor, therefore, producing
  vignetting, but increasing the telescopic effect?
  
  Do to a gain in DOF, will small aperture
 diffraction

  be reduced?
  


  No more than on current 4:3 cameras.
  
  Please be gentle. ;)


  Suffer.
  
  Jack
 
 
 
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  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


  From: P. J. Alling
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  Subject: Re: panasonic's new micro
 four/thirds
  
  camera: G1
  
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
  
  pdml@pdml.net
  
  Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 9:45 AM
  They're still hobbled by the small
 sensor
  
  size.  As
  
  technology improves 
  and 24x36mm sensors become more prevalent,
 (and
  
  there's
  
  no upgrade path 
  even possible), I think this will be
 relegated to
  
  a second
  
  class system, 
  sort of where 4:3 is headed today. The
 same issue
  
  that
  
  always comes up 
  when comparing formats, bigger is better,
 (higher
  
  image
  
  quality), if you 
  can afford it.
 
  Mike Johnson had an interesting take on
 lens
  
  compactness. 
  
  He always 
  thought that amateurs liked telephotos for
 their
  
  extra
  
  reach, smaller 
  formats make for smaller long lenses with
 the same
  
  reach,
  
  so that would 
  be good.  But it's not the  effective
 focal
  
  length
  
  it's the physical 
  size that matters.  Most amateurs want big
 lenses
  
  because
  
  they look more 
  impressive.  My 400 captures the same
 image, (on
  
  my
  
  sensor), as your 800 
  on your's, but the 800 trumps.
 
  In other words size /still/ matters.
 
  Subash wrote:
  
  
  since no one seems to have posted the
 link

  here... :-)
  
 
 http://www.dpreview.com/Previews/PanasonicG1/
 



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Re: PESO - No Brakes

2008-09-12 Thread Jack Davis
This may speak loudly to a bike type, and while the handlebar curves alone are 
very pleasing, to my eye they need to be isolated.
I, also, understand the reason for not doing so.

Jack


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 Warning, more bike porn.
 
 I know I've already had a PESO and a half today, so my
 apologies for
 piling 'em on, but I wanted to post it before the
 weekend - otherwise
 I'd forget on Monday.
 
 I'm curious as to what people think of the rendering
 (as well as the
 rest of it...).
 
 http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2008/09/no-brakes.html
 
 Scroll down, please...
 
 thanks,
 frank
 
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For Sale Friday

2008-09-12 Thread Cotty
Pentax A20mm 2.8  really nice condition. Genuine front and rear caps,
pouch, box. All mint minus. Before it goes on eekbay, make me an offer.

Also  exc + K 50mm 1.4 with trick lens hood suitable for 1.5 crop sensor
DSLR: 85 1.8 /  100 4 /  105 2.8 hood

pics by request

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Re: PESO - dreampath

2008-09-12 Thread Cotty
On 12/9/08, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

That's beautiful, Jostein.  What causes the smearing of the green?
PS trickery or something else?

Intensive fishing.

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Re: PESO: roast corn

2008-09-12 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Subash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hi,

 had been to the beach today, which generally has a country fair-like
 atmosphere most days, more so on weekends. there are these stalls
 selling roast corns which use wood stoves to roast the corns and
 when the stove is fanned (sort of) it makes for a rather dramatic
 picture.

 http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/PESO#5245158232714118018

Cool photo.  Looks like the corn will be ~very~ well done!

cheers,
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Re: The PDML Bike Curse Continues

2008-09-12 Thread John Sessoms
From: Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I'm going to have to re-consider my PDML membership.  When I broke my
 wrist a couple of years ago (falling down while mowing the lawn), I just
 put it down to bad luck and maybe a couple of glasses of good red with
 lunch.  I now realise (given all of the stories of broken bones in this
 thread) that it was the PDML's fault!
 
 We appear to be cursed.  Even our loved ones are not safe..

Which is cause  which is effect?  Does PDML membership make you 
accident prone, or does being an accident looking for a place to happen 
lead one to PDML membership?

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PESO - Multiples in the Field

2008-09-12 Thread Ken Waller
Please check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html

Taken with a K20D, 28-80mm f3.5-4.5 SMC Pentax F, 1.3 sec, f14, 100 ISO 
handheld.

Comments appreciated

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Re: Anyone know of software that can do this

2008-09-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 On Sep 12, 2008, at 1:16 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
 
 Is there any software that can put a visible watermark on photos from
 EXIF data? What I'm thinking of is something like the old data
 imprinting on film cameras that would put the time and date onto  
 each of your photos. It needs to be automated and batch-capable for   
 my purposes.
 
 Lightroom 2 can output JPEGs from the Print module with whatever  
 metadata you select extracted as picture info embedded along the  
 bottom of the image, although not as a watermark. It can also embed a  
 watermark into the image as well.

Ah, close but no Guitar. I need the date to be *on* the image (both in 
print form and the file). It seems IrfanView will come close: It will 
add a date watermark (quite customizable) to a batch of files. But it 
uses the current date rather the date from the EXIF of each photo.

I have been asked to bid on a government job and one of the requirements 
is that the camera visibly put the date of each shot in the photo. Are 
there any DSLR's that do that? The K20D doesn't!



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