Re: What I don't like about the K-x

[Bruce Dayton]

Yes, it certainly can, as I have done so.

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Saturday, April 10, 2010, 10:40:38 PM, you wrote:

BL> Mike, can't the hood from other Pentax kit lenses be used on this one???


BL> On 4/10/2010 10:10 PM, mike wilson wrote:
>> Obvious stuff first:
>> No aperture simulator.
>> No manual DOF preview.
>> No hood on the kit lens.
>> (BTW, Canon hood for kit lens £12.00; Pentax hood £28.00)
>> No power/wired remote sockets.
>> (At least, not standard sockets - there is a custom mains power system)
>>
>>
>> More subtle things:
>> The grip is not so good for me but I have large hands. I do prefer small
>> cameras.
>> I miss the top LCD.
>> The detent on the function wheel seems less positive. No problems yet.
>>
>>
>> Can't complain, really.
>>





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Re: What I don't like about the K-x

[Boris Liberman]

Mike, can't the hood from other Pentax kit lenses be used on this one???


On 4/10/2010 10:10 PM, mike wilson wrote:

Obvious stuff first:
No aperture simulator.
No manual DOF preview.
No hood on the kit lens.
(BTW, Canon hood for kit lens £12.00; Pentax hood £28.00)
No power/wired remote sockets.
(At least, not standard sockets - there is a custom mains power system)


More subtle things:
The grip is not so good for me but I have large hands. I do prefer small
cameras.
I miss the top LCD.
The detent on the function wheel seems less positive. No problems yet.


Can't complain, really.




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Re: Pentax K20D annoyances (a continuing series).

[Tom C]

I've thought of giving the K20D to my son or a friend at a bargain
basement price, but the K7 is just all around so much better that my
conscience prevents me from doing so.

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 10:10 PM, paul stenquist
 wrote:
>
> On Apr 10, 2010, at 11:34 PM, Tom C wrote:
>
>> "It's exposure system often gives me files that take a lot of
>> massaging to get good results from."
>>
>> If the K7 hadn't fixed this issue I'd have switched brands.  I am
>> loathe to pick up the K20D and may be have shot with it once since
>> getting the K7.
>>
> K7's exposure accuracy doesn't get as much attention as it deserves. It's 
> truly exceptional.
> Paul
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 1:47 PM, P. J. Alling
>>  wrote:
>>> Ok, I'll preface that by saying I actually like the K20D a lot.  True it's
>>> quite a bit bigger than any other Pentax camera I own, Film or digital.  It
>>> doesn't have an aperature simulator, (yea, that still torques me off a bit,
>>> so sue me), It's exposure system often gives me files that take a lot of
>>> massaging to get good results from.  However over all it's a using it is a
>>> very positive experience.
>>>
>>> Just a couple of days ago I had an experience that just takes the cake.  I
>>> was changing SD cards when I fumble fingered the camera and dropped it.
>>>
>>> The good news was I had the strap over one shoulder...  Which was also the
>>> bad news.
>>>
>>> The strap managed to impart a radial motion to the camera, and in a freak
>>> circumstance that I don't think that I could accomplish if I tried the SD
>>> card door latch, (the part of the latch that clicks into the camera body,
>>> caught my belt loop...  AND SHEARED OFF!
>>>
>>> Apparently that little plastic extrusion is more fragile than you'd expect.
>>>
>>> Also the strap wasn't as securely on my shoulder as I would have hoped and
>>> after being slowed the entire camera hit the wooden floor I was standing on,
>>> (imparting a slight bend to the left hand strap lug.
>>>
>>>
>>> Now I ask you.  What happens if the SD Door latch doesn't engage?  Yes
>>> that's right the camera won't operate.  The micro switch that tells the
>>> camera the door is closed is inside the latch, /rendering/ /the/ /entire/
>>> /camera/ USELESS!
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok, I'm  calm again.
>>>
>>>
>>> So we're back to the good news bad news again.
>>>
>>> Good news. I was able to recover the plastic doohicky that used to be part
>>> of the SD door latch.
>>>
>>> Bad news. No glue that I have available to me will hold that piece of
>>> plastic in the right place, (I knew it wouldn't work but I just had to try.
>>>  Well didn't I?)
>>>
>>> Good news, my field expedient, (after much language not appropriate to a
>>> family list), to simply the the plastic doohicky to sit in the latch with
>>> the door closed, (gaffers tape is wonderful stuff), seems to work, it even
>>> stays put, if I remember to not use the open control allowing the camera to
>>> take photos.
>>>
>>> The bad news is know I'm just going to loose it changing cards in the field
>>> eventually.
>>>
>>> So it's off to Pentax repair...
>>>
>>> eventually.
>>>
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Re: Pentax K20D annoyances (a continuing series).

[paul stenquist]

On Apr 10, 2010, at 11:34 PM, Tom C wrote:

> "It's exposure system often gives me files that take a lot of
> massaging to get good results from."
> 
> If the K7 hadn't fixed this issue I'd have switched brands.  I am
> loathe to pick up the K20D and may be have shot with it once since
> getting the K7.
> 
K7's exposure accuracy doesn't get as much attention as it deserves. It's truly 
exceptional. 
Paul
> 
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 1:47 PM, P. J. Alling
>  wrote:
>> Ok, I'll preface that by saying I actually like the K20D a lot.  True it's
>> quite a bit bigger than any other Pentax camera I own, Film or digital.  It
>> doesn't have an aperature simulator, (yea, that still torques me off a bit,
>> so sue me), It's exposure system often gives me files that take a lot of
>> massaging to get good results from.  However over all it's a using it is a
>> very positive experience.
>> 
>> Just a couple of days ago I had an experience that just takes the cake.  I
>> was changing SD cards when I fumble fingered the camera and dropped it.
>> 
>> The good news was I had the strap over one shoulder...  Which was also the
>> bad news.
>> 
>> The strap managed to impart a radial motion to the camera, and in a freak
>> circumstance that I don't think that I could accomplish if I tried the SD
>> card door latch, (the part of the latch that clicks into the camera body,
>> caught my belt loop...  AND SHEARED OFF!
>> 
>> Apparently that little plastic extrusion is more fragile than you'd expect.
>> 
>> Also the strap wasn't as securely on my shoulder as I would have hoped and
>> after being slowed the entire camera hit the wooden floor I was standing on,
>> (imparting a slight bend to the left hand strap lug.
>> 
>> 
>> Now I ask you.  What happens if the SD Door latch doesn't engage?  Yes
>> that's right the camera won't operate.  The micro switch that tells the
>> camera the door is closed is inside the latch, /rendering/ /the/ /entire/
>> /camera/ USELESS!
>> 
>> 
>> Ok, I'm  calm again.
>> 
>> 
>> So we're back to the good news bad news again.
>> 
>> Good news. I was able to recover the plastic doohicky that used to be part
>> of the SD door latch.
>> 
>> Bad news. No glue that I have available to me will hold that piece of
>> plastic in the right place, (I knew it wouldn't work but I just had to try.
>>  Well didn't I?)
>> 
>> Good news, my field expedient, (after much language not appropriate to a
>> family list), to simply the the plastic doohicky to sit in the latch with
>> the door closed, (gaffers tape is wonderful stuff), seems to work, it even
>> stays put, if I remember to not use the open control allowing the camera to
>> take photos.
>> 
>> The bad news is know I'm just going to loose it changing cards in the field
>> eventually.
>> 
>> So it's off to Pentax repair...
>> 
>> eventually.
>> 
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tripod advice sought

[Graydon]

OK, so I want to stick about 5 kg of spotting scope (127mm catadioptric)
on a tripod; I've figured out that a Jobu Designs gimbal head will work
with something that size, so I'm OK for answering "what head do I get?"
but am currently wandering off into the weeds in all directions trying
to sort out tripod legs.

Ideally, I want something that:
- has no centre column
- is about 54" high fully extended (52 is not too low, but 50" is;
  56" would be usable)
- isn't heavy
- isn't Feisol, since I though the 3442 would be about ideal and
  they just bait-and-switched me (got an email saying they wouldn't
  fulfil the order taken by their online ordering system at that price)
- has, or has the option of, spike feet
- can be had in Canada without resort to surreptitious parachuting

And, of course, doesn't cost the earth.  I figured the collective wisdom
of the list would be a good place to start enquires, and since I do
intend to attach the thing to a Pentax camera (1500/f12; better be a
sunny day...) some of the time it's even on topic!

-- Graydon


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Re: Pentax K20D annoyances (a continuing series).

[Tom C]

"It's exposure system often gives me files that take a lot of
massaging to get good results from."

If the K7 hadn't fixed this issue I'd have switched brands.  I am
loathe to pick up the K20D and may be have shot with it once since
getting the K7.


On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 1:47 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> Ok, I'll preface that by saying I actually like the K20D a lot.  True it's
> quite a bit bigger than any other Pentax camera I own, Film or digital.  It
> doesn't have an aperature simulator, (yea, that still torques me off a bit,
> so sue me), It's exposure system often gives me files that take a lot of
> massaging to get good results from.  However over all it's a using it is a
> very positive experience.
>
> Just a couple of days ago I had an experience that just takes the cake.  I
> was changing SD cards when I fumble fingered the camera and dropped it.
>
> The good news was I had the strap over one shoulder...  Which was also the
> bad news.
>
> The strap managed to impart a radial motion to the camera, and in a freak
> circumstance that I don't think that I could accomplish if I tried the SD
> card door latch, (the part of the latch that clicks into the camera body,
> caught my belt loop...  AND SHEARED OFF!
>
> Apparently that little plastic extrusion is more fragile than you'd expect.
>
> Also the strap wasn't as securely on my shoulder as I would have hoped and
> after being slowed the entire camera hit the wooden floor I was standing on,
> (imparting a slight bend to the left hand strap lug.
>
>
> Now I ask you.  What happens if the SD Door latch doesn't engage?  Yes
> that's right the camera won't operate.  The micro switch that tells the
> camera the door is closed is inside the latch, /rendering/ /the/ /entire/
> /camera/ USELESS!
>
>
> Ok, I'm  calm again.
>
>
> So we're back to the good news bad news again.
>
> Good news. I was able to recover the plastic doohicky that used to be part
> of the SD door latch.
>
> Bad news. No glue that I have available to me will hold that piece of
> plastic in the right place, (I knew it wouldn't work but I just had to try.
>  Well didn't I?)
>
> Good news, my field expedient, (after much language not appropriate to a
> family list), to simply the the plastic doohicky to sit in the latch with
> the door closed, (gaffers tape is wonderful stuff), seems to work, it even
> stays put, if I remember to not use the open control allowing the camera to
> take photos.
>
> The bad news is know I'm just going to loose it changing cards in the field
> eventually.
>
> So it's off to Pentax repair...
>
> eventually.
>
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Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[Tom C]

How's life been treating you lately? ;-)

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 7:44 PM, William Robb  wrote:
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> - Original Message - From: "Bob W"
> Subject: RE: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants
>
>
>
>> My mother once said to me "Bob, you look a bit like Bruce Willis. Except
>> that he's good-looking".
>>
>
> My mother told me that a good sense of humour regarding my looks would serve
> me well.
> I still don't know quite what she meant by that.
>
> William Robb
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Re: 300mm Kitlens

[Graydon]

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 04:11:27PM +0200, Toine scripsit:
> Thanks, I'll try that with a UV filter. I knew that some lens designs
> need a filter at the end of their optical path. This one doesn't have
> a filter thread at the end. 

Even when you unscrew the kmount part?  I've wound up with a bizarre
collection of 30.5mm filters, and interesting scars from figuring out
how to screw the filter into a place that assumes either specialized
tools or very thin fingers.

> The softness is only visible when the lens
> is fully extended at 2.5 meter focussing range. It has optical parts
> in the front and rear. The rear parts don't move during focussing.
> Most likely the contraption is optimized at infinity.

Quite possible.  I've certainly never seen the lens you've got, so I'm
speaking in generalities.

-- Graydon

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Re: matte or glossy

[paul stenquist]

On Apr 10, 2010, at 9:56 PM, William Robb wrote:

> 
> - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen"
> Subject: matte or glossy
> 
> 
>> Which photos do you print your photos on matte or glossy paper?
>> 
>> For example, would you print  up to 16x20 on glossy to preserve  detail, and 
>> bigger than that on matte to help obscure pixelation?
>> 
> 
> I've just discovered Hahnemuhle Photo Rag.
> It's very matte.
> It looks realy nice.
> I've always preferred non glossy or low lustre  papers. My favourite paper 
> surface is the old Kodak G surface. If you've ever seen an Ektalure print, 
> you know what it looks like.
> When I was making fine art B&W prints, I was printing on air dried fibre 
> based glossy paper. This gave the paper a bit of a sheen without being overly 
> glossy.

Epson exhibition fibre comes close to matching that look.
Paul


> For B&W I found that to be the best.
> 
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Re: matte or glossy

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Colen"

Subject: matte or glossy



Which photos do you print your photos on matte or glossy paper?

For example, would you print  up to 16x20 on glossy to preserve  detail, 
and bigger than that on matte to help obscure pixelation?




I've just discovered Hahnemuhle Photo Rag.
It's very matte.
It looks realy nice.
I've always preferred non glossy or low lustre  papers. My favourite paper 
surface is the old Kodak G surface. If you've ever seen an Ektalure print, 
you know what it looks like.
When I was making fine art B&W prints, I was printing on air dried fibre 
based glossy paper. This gave the paper a bit of a sheen without being 
overly glossy.

For B&W I found that to be the best.

William Robb 



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Re: Loukas' Diner

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" 
Subject: Re: Loukas' Diner





I was perhaps a bit harsh in my criticism.


Mark.

Hall of fame.


I fixed the spelling error in your post for you.

William Robb

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Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W"

Subject: RE: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants




My mother once said to me "Bob, you look a bit like Bruce Willis. Except
that he's good-looking".



My mother told me that a good sense of humour regarding my looks would serve 
me well.

I still don't know quite what she meant by that.

William Robb 



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Re: PESO - Just a Blue Tit

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Tim Øsleby  wrote:
> First I'd like to say I'm sorry I haven't commented much on other
> people photography lately. My new job means that I have much less time
> on my hands. I will not get more time in future, but hopefully I will
> adapt to it, and relearn how to use my time better.
>
> I'm also rather busy preparing for a Lightroom class I'm holding
> tomorrow at our photo club.
> Wish me luck, I think I do need it ;-)
>
> Ok then, here it is. Nothing fancy, just my latest bird. This time,
> link included in first post.
> http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/2010/04/blue-tit.html
>
> BTW: I have a question for you. What are your reactions towards the
> placement of the bird in the frame?
> --
> MaritimTim

Great feather detail, and I really like the bird's attitude.  As for
where it is in the frame, it's a bit too centred for me.  I find those
trunks on the left really heavy.  I'd cut them out completely.

But that's just me.

Terrific shot, otherwise.

cheers,
frank

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Re: matte or glossy

[paul stenquist]

I print almost exclusively on what you might call lustre papers. They have a 
very dull shine and a bit of texture. I use three that are all quite similar: 
Epson Premium Luster, Ilford Gold Fibre Silk and Epson Exhibition Fibre. The 
latter is the heaviest weight and has the most tooth. The ilford is probably 
the nicest overall, but they're all very similar in both surface reflectivity 
and tonal rendering.

Paul


On Apr 10, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

> Which photos do you print your photos on matte or glossy paper?
> 
> For example, would you print  up to 16x20 on glossy to preserve detail, and 
> bigger than that on matte to help obscure pixelation?
> 
> 
> --
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: I should use my tax return to pay off credit cards but...

[wendy beard]

Thinking of selling my DA* 16-50 or my FA 31/f1.8 Ltd (silver)

I bought the 31 a few years ago from Bill Robb and have hardly ever
used it. I have and use the 43 and 77 but for some reason the 31
always gets overlooked.
Then I thought If I got rid of the 16-50, maybe I would use the 31. As
that lens is less than a year old, Henrys would give me half back on
it ($550). Better if someone was to offer me cash so I wouldn't have
to take a Henry's gift card :-)

Yes, it's tax time again. And I owe them money :-(

Wendy

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I'm thinking of diverting some of it to a new lens.
>
> The two lenses that seem to be the most useful right now would be either the
> DA* 16-50 or the DA 35 macro.  If anyone stumbles across a great deal on
> either one of them, please drop me a note.
>
> I could, however, be distracted by an 85/1.4  but it probably wouldn't be as
> handy as either of the others would be for a "walk around" lens.
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Re: OT - iPad: Will It Blend?

[Anthony Farr]

It's not all gratuitous destructiveness on BlendTec:

http://www.blendtec.com/willitblend/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=olympus2

regards, Anthony

   "Of what use is lens and light
to those who lack in mind and sight"
   (Anon)



On 10 April 2010 17:52, Bertil Holmberg  wrote:
> This is an act of vandalism, probably the lowest possible form of human 
> activity.
>
> It also shows gross contempt for the underpaid Chinese girls that works long 
> hours to produce all the nice things that we in the western world can buy for 
> a very small part of our large salaries.
>
> Shame on you too for enjoying this charade.
>
> Bertil
>
> PS No, I certainly don't laugh at myself, I love my iPad.
>
> 10 apr 2010 kl. 00:43 skrev pdml-requ...@pdml.net:
>
>> Fanboys should be able to laugh at themselves...
>>
>> 
>
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Re: What I don't like about the K-x

[drd1135]

Damn. I don't care about any of this. I was hoping for a deal breaker to 
discourage me from buying one. 
-Original Message-
From: mike wilson 
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 20:10:30 
To: 
Subject: What I don't like about the K-x

Obvious stuff first:
No aperture simulator.
No manual DOF preview.
No hood on the kit lens.
(BTW, Canon hood for kit lens £12.00; Pentax hood £28.00)
No power/wired remote sockets.
(At least, not standard sockets - there is a custom mains power system)


More subtle things:
The grip is not so good for me but I have large hands.  I do prefer 
small cameras.
I miss the top LCD.
The detent on the function wheel seems less positive.  No problems yet.


Can't complain, really.

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Re: What I don't like about the K-x

[mike wilson]

Paul Sorenson wrote:

You can set the green button function to "Optical Preview" and that will 
give you stop-down DOF.  Begins on p179 of my manual.  Look for "Setting 
the Green Button Function".


-p


So it is.  Never had a green button before.  Thanks.



On 4/10/2010 4:31 PM, mike wilson wrote:


Dario Bonazza wrote:


mike wilson wrote:


No manual DOF preview.




See instruction manual, page 132



Not mine.  That's halfway through shooting with the self-timer.




No hood on the kit lens.
(BTW, Canon hood for kit lens £12.00; Pentax hood £28.00)




Don't buy it and be happy. A friend of mine bought the optional hood, 
and suddenly got worse reflections that not using the hood.
(apparently, the inner part of the hood is not matte enough, so that 
it reflects extra stray light onto ther lens)



Useful to know.



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Re: matte or glossy

[ann sanfedele]

Bob W wrote:


[...]
 


Ilford Pearl does it for me.

cheers,
frank
   



She still living in Ilford? I thought she'd moved to Bromley. And still only
a tenner?


LOL ..
You're in particularly good form tonight! What arya smokin?
ann




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Re: What I don't like about the K-x

[Paul Sorenson]

You can set the green button function to "Optical Preview" and that will 
give you stop-down DOF.  Begins on p179 of my manual.  Look for "Setting 
the Green Button Function".


-p

On 4/10/2010 4:31 PM, mike wilson wrote:

Dario Bonazza wrote:


mike wilson wrote:


No manual DOF preview.



See instruction manual, page 132


Not mine.  That's halfway through shooting with the self-timer.




No hood on the kit lens.
(BTW, Canon hood for kit lens £12.00; Pentax hood £28.00)



Don't buy it and be happy. A friend of mine bought the optional hood, 
and suddenly got worse reflections that not using the hood.
(apparently, the inner part of the hood is not matte enough, so that 
it reflects extra stray light onto ther lens)


Useful to know.




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RE: matte or glossy

[Bob W]

[...]
> 
> Ilford Pearl does it for me.
> 
> cheers,
> frank

She still living in Ilford? I thought she'd moved to Bromley. And still only
a tenner?



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Re: matte or glossy

[frank theriault]

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Cotty  wrote:
> On 10/4/10, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Which photos do you print your photos on matte or glossy paper?
>>
>>For example, would you print  up to 16x20 on glossy to preserve
>>detail, and bigger than that on matte to help obscure pixelation?
>
> FWIW I use Ilford Galerie Smooth Gloss and Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl
> exclusively for several years now. Tried the restetc.

Ilford Pearl does it for me.

cheers,
frank

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Re: matte or glossy

[David Parsons]

I print as much as possible on matte paper, especially if I'm putting
it on my wall or submitting it for competition.

I don't print at home, so I use the matte option all the time, except
at Walgreens.  For some silly reason they don't print matte in-store.

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> Which photos do you print your photos on matte or glossy paper?
>
> For example, would you print  up to 16x20 on glossy to preserve detail, and
> bigger than that on matte to help obscure pixelation?
>
>
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Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[ann sanfedele]

wow -
I wonder how much other mail I'm missing

But thanks for the vote of confidence on what I wrote...  I'll get after 
my server on the bounce
stuff... I guess I have to specifically white list you but I would not 
have though it..


a the confused


Bob W wrote:


3 bounced emails when I send directly to you, replying as well as starting a
new email. Not that I had much to say in the reply, just this:

That's a good statement! One of the few I've read that's not pretentious
twaddle. Much harder to write than pretentious twaddle, too.

B

 


you mean to what I sent you off list?
weird

try again ?

a

Bob W wrote:

   


Well now that you 'splained it to me..

Damn !  I already mailed the one I wrote!

ann
  

   


Your mail system just bounced my reply.

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Re: What I don't like about the K-x

[mike wilson]

Larry Colen wrote:



On Apr 10, 2010, at 12:10 PM, mike wilson wrote:


Obvious stuff first:
No aperture simulator.
No manual DOF preview.



You know that you can configure the LV button to do that?


Yes but that's still not manual (i.e. looking through the viewfinder 
through the stopped-down lens) which is what I am used to and find 
better than looking at a preview screen.


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Re: What I don't like about the K-x

[mike wilson]

Dario Bonazza wrote:


mike wilson wrote:


No manual DOF preview.



See instruction manual, page 132


Not mine.  That's halfway through shooting with the self-timer.




No hood on the kit lens.
(BTW, Canon hood for kit lens £12.00; Pentax hood £28.00)



Don't buy it and be happy. A friend of mine bought the optional hood, 
and suddenly got worse reflections that not using the hood.
(apparently, the inner part of the hood is not matte enough, so that it 
reflects extra stray light onto ther lens)


Useful to know.

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Re: Pentax K20D annoyances (a continuing series).

[John Sessoms]

I had the memory card door on the *ist-D just break off for no apparent 
reason one time. Sheared right at the hinge. I was walking through the 
woods in deep dry leaves at the time.


Fortunately I heard the barely audible "tink" sound the spring made when 
it flipped out, looked down and saw what had happened right then. Spent 
about half an hour on my hands and knees sifting through dry leaves, but 
I found the door.


My local camera repair guy was able to order a replacement door from 
Pentax and duct tape held the door in place until the part came in a 
week or so later. Only took the repair guy about 10 minutes to install 
the new door, so I wasn't even out of action for a day.


From: Bob Sullivan

PJ,
My sad story was with the K-10 battery door.  I took the sd card out
and set the K-10 (with door open) on the arm of the easy chair.  I
didn't want to close the door as I had forgotten to reload the card on
other occasions.  After some time downloading to the laptop and
lightroom, I nodded off!  When I woke-up, I bumped the camera to the
floor.  It landing on the open door and bent it backwards.  No glue
would hold it together although tape would cover the problem.  I sent
it back to Pentax for repair.
I don't leave the door open any longer.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 2:47 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:

> Ok, I'll preface that by saying I actually like the K20D a lot. ?True it's
> quite a bit bigger than any other Pentax camera I own, Film or digital. ?It
> doesn't have an aperature simulator, (yea, that still torques me off a bit,
> so sue me), It's exposure system often gives me files that take a lot of
> massaging to get good results from. ?However over all it's a using it is a
> very positive experience.
>
> Just a couple of days ago I had an experience that just takes the cake. ?I
> was changing SD cards when I fumble fingered the camera and dropped it.
>
> The good news was I had the strap over one shoulder... ?Which was also the
> bad news.
>
> The strap managed to impart a radial motion to the camera, and in a freak
> circumstance that I don't think that I could accomplish if I tried the SD
> card door latch, (the part of the latch that clicks into the camera body,
> caught my belt loop... ?AND SHEARED OFF!
>
> Apparently that little plastic extrusion is more fragile than you'd expect.
>
> Also the strap wasn't as securely on my shoulder as I would have hoped and
> after being slowed the entire camera hit the wooden floor I was standing on,
> (imparting a slight bend to the left hand strap lug.
>
>
> Now I ask you. ?What happens if the SD Door latch doesn't engage? ?Yes
> that's right the camera won't operate. ?The micro switch that tells the
> camera the door is closed is inside the latch, /rendering/ /the/ /entire/
> /camera/ USELESS!
>
>
> Ok, I'm ?calm again.
>
>
> So we're back to the good news bad news again.
>
> Good news. I was able to recover the plastic doohicky that used to be part
> of the SD door latch.
>
> Bad news. No glue that I have available to me will hold that piece of
> plastic in the right place, (I knew it wouldn't work but I just had to try.
> ?Well didn't I?)
>
> Good news, my field expedient, (after much language not appropriate to a
> family list), to simply the the plastic doohicky to sit in the latch with
> the door closed, (gaffers tape is wonderful stuff), seems to work, it even
> stays put, if I remember to not use the open control allowing the camera to
> take photos.
>
> The bad news is know I'm just going to loose it changing cards in the field
> eventually.
>
> So it's off to Pentax repair...
>
> eventually.



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RE: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[Bob W]

3 bounced emails when I send directly to you, replying as well as starting a
new email. Not that I had much to say in the reply, just this:

That's a good statement! One of the few I've read that's not pretentious
twaddle. Much harder to write than pretentious twaddle, too.

B

> 
> you mean to what I sent you off list?
> weird
> 
> try again ?
> 
> a
> 
> Bob W wrote:
> 
> >>Well now that you 'splained it to me..
> >>
> >>Damn !  I already mailed the one I wrote!
> >>
> >>ann
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Your mail system just bounced my reply.
> >
> >B
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
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Re: matte or glossy

[Ken Waller]

I mostly use one of Epsons glossy or semi glossy papers but have used their 
matte paper when the subject calls for it.


Which paper I use is not size dependent.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Colen" 

Subject: matte or glossy



Which photos do you print your photos on matte or glossy paper?

For example, would you print  up to 16x20 on glossy to preserve  detail, 
and bigger than that on matte to help obscure pixelation?



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RE: matte or glossy

[John Sessoms]

From: Larry Colen

Which photos do you print your photos on matte or glossy paper?

For example, would you print  up to 16x20 on glossy to preserve  
detail, and bigger than that on matte to help obscure pixelation?


I like Luster or semi-gloss papers a lot.

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Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[John Sessoms]

From: Miserere

On 10 April 2010 06:20, Bruce Walker  wrote:

>
> There must be a web-service that will automatically generate some
> appropriate drivel, especially for artists statement.
>
> -bmw


For those not wanting to write their artist statements, ask your
mothers to do it for you. Mothers have been producing exaggerated BS
about their children for centuries.


Not my mom. She would *NEVER* exaggerate my accomplishments.

Of course, she's never needed to.  ;-D

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Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[ann sanfedele]

you mean to what I sent you off list?
weird

try again ?

a

Bob W wrote:


Well now that you 'splained it to me..

Damn !  I already mailed the one I wrote!

ann
   



Your mail system just bounced my reply.

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Re: matte or glossy

[ann sanfedele]

Steve Sharpe wrote:


At 11:55 AM -0700 4/10/10, Larry Colen wrote:


Which photos do you print your photos on matte or glossy paper?

For example, would you print  up to 16x20 on glossy to preserve 
detail, and bigger than that on matte to help obscure pixelation?



I print most of my colour photos on Epson Premium Photo Paper Glossy, 
unless the image is not as sharp as I like, in which case I use Ilford 
Galerie Smooth Pearl. 


I used Pearl for almost all my printing from film negs in the olden 
days, and just discovered gallerie smooth pearl  or classic pearl..


I find I prefer my black and white images on matte paper, and I am 
currently in love with Harman Matt FB Mp. 


Seems to me I get better black and white prints out of matte  paper, too 
- with less effort. The non matte
finishes oblige me to adjust colors to get true black.  but I don't do a 
lot of serious printing these days.


ann








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RE: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[Bob W]

> 
> Well now that you 'splained it to me..
> 
> Damn !  I already mailed the one I wrote!
> 
> ann

Your mail system just bounced my reply.

B


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Re: PESO: Whitehouse Diner

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On 10/4/10, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:

>So  I must disagree (now and then,
>Cotters :-) )

Of course you're allowed ;-)

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Re: OT: Epson R2400

[Perry Pellechia]

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 2:38 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
>
> Epson has another little trick up its sleeve.  If you dismantle enough to
> remove the heads for cleaning you will find that they do not work after
> reinstallation unless another bit of software is run.  Unlike Canon, that
> allows the user to exchange heads, Epson does everything in its power to
> prevent you.
>
> I do believe I have a copy of the initialisation software somewhere, should
> you need it.
>
Mike,
Thanks for the offer but I cleared both printers with the Epson
utility I found.  Ink situation is not as bad I thought.   Printer #1
had the dark cyan and dark black cartridges empty.  Printer #1 had
cyan low but enough to turn on for testing.

I tried to do a nozzle check on printer 2 but for some reason it
thinks the paper is not or incorrectly loaded.  Printer number 1
(using C and MK/PK cartridges from #2) does the nozzle check and shows
only the cyan with some clogs.  I guess this is understandable since
it was left with an empty cyan cartridge.

I will try to find out why #1 does not feed paper and see if its heads
are in better shape.  Overall things are looking pretty positive.

Perry.

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Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[ann sanfedele]

Bob W wrote:

I'm in the midst of cutting and  pasting snippets from book 
 


covers, etc.. for the bio.  I hate doing it, too!
Glad I have company :-) And artist's statements always seem 
like pompus nonsense to me,mostly  highfalutin' BS.  Oh well.


But you are kidding about _liking_ doing it Bob, aren't you??

   


Love it! You can use this if you like:

Extending the thread that links 16th-century Dutch genre painting and
Caillebotte through 
Kertesz to Cartier-Bresson and the later Chicago neo-realists, A's work at
last resolves 
the inherent dilemmas posed by her predecessors' stark omission from their

oeuvre of exemplaires
of juvenile Felis catus (sp). As a daring reminder of the power of nature
despite the urban
captivity of Man, this presence of the fauve brings us full circle to our
own Savannah origins
and the struggle for survival. 


The one in little booties is especially cute.



Well now that you 'splained it to me..

Damn !  I already mailed the one I wrote!

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Re: Pentax K20D annoyances (a continuing series).

[Bob Sullivan]

PJ,
My sad story was with the K-10 battery door.  I took the sd card out
and set the K-10 (with door open) on the arm of the easy chair.  I
didn't want to close the door as I had forgotten to reload the card on
other occasions.  After some time downloading to the laptop and
lightroom, I nodded off!  When I woke-up, I bumped the camera to the
floor.  It landing on the open door and bent it backwards.  No glue
would hold it together although tape would cover the problem.  I sent
it back to Pentax for repair.
I don't leave the door open any longer.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 2:47 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> Ok, I'll preface that by saying I actually like the K20D a lot.  True it's
> quite a bit bigger than any other Pentax camera I own, Film or digital.  It
> doesn't have an aperature simulator, (yea, that still torques me off a bit,
> so sue me), It's exposure system often gives me files that take a lot of
> massaging to get good results from.  However over all it's a using it is a
> very positive experience.
>
> Just a couple of days ago I had an experience that just takes the cake.  I
> was changing SD cards when I fumble fingered the camera and dropped it.
>
> The good news was I had the strap over one shoulder...  Which was also the
> bad news.
>
> The strap managed to impart a radial motion to the camera, and in a freak
> circumstance that I don't think that I could accomplish if I tried the SD
> card door latch, (the part of the latch that clicks into the camera body,
> caught my belt loop...  AND SHEARED OFF!
>
> Apparently that little plastic extrusion is more fragile than you'd expect.
>
> Also the strap wasn't as securely on my shoulder as I would have hoped and
> after being slowed the entire camera hit the wooden floor I was standing on,
> (imparting a slight bend to the left hand strap lug.
>
>
> Now I ask you.  What happens if the SD Door latch doesn't engage?  Yes
> that's right the camera won't operate.  The micro switch that tells the
> camera the door is closed is inside the latch, /rendering/ /the/ /entire/
> /camera/ USELESS!
>
>
> Ok, I'm  calm again.
>
>
> So we're back to the good news bad news again.
>
> Good news. I was able to recover the plastic doohicky that used to be part
> of the SD door latch.
>
> Bad news. No glue that I have available to me will hold that piece of
> plastic in the right place, (I knew it wouldn't work but I just had to try.
>  Well didn't I?)
>
> Good news, my field expedient, (after much language not appropriate to a
> family list), to simply the the plastic doohicky to sit in the latch with
> the door closed, (gaffers tape is wonderful stuff), seems to work, it even
> stays put, if I remember to not use the open control allowing the camera to
> take photos.
>
> The bad news is know I'm just going to loose it changing cards in the field
> eventually.
>
> So it's off to Pentax repair...
>
> eventually.
>
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Re: matte or glossy

[Cotty]

On 10/4/10, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Which photos do you print your photos on matte or glossy paper?
>
>For example, would you print  up to 16x20 on glossy to preserve
>detail, and bigger than that on matte to help obscure pixelation?

FWIW I use Ilford Galerie Smooth Gloss and Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl
exclusively for several years now. Tried the restetc.

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Re: matte or glossy

[Steve Sharpe]

At 11:55 AM -0700 4/10/10, Larry Colen wrote:

Which photos do you print your photos on matte or glossy paper?

For example, would you print  up to 16x20 on glossy to preserve 
detail, and bigger than that on matte to help obscure pixelation?


I print most of my colour photos on Epson Premium Photo Paper Glossy, 
unless the image is not as sharp as I like, in which case I use 
Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl.


I find I prefer my black and white images on matte paper, and I am 
currently in love with Harman Matt FB Mp.


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Re: What I don't like about the K-x

[Larry Colen]

On Apr 10, 2010, at 12:10 PM, mike wilson wrote:


Obvious stuff first:
No aperture simulator.
No manual DOF preview.


You know that you can configure the LV button to do that?





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Re: What I don't like about the K-x

[Dario Bonazza]

mike wilson wrote:


No manual DOF preview.


See instruction manual, page 132


No hood on the kit lens.
(BTW, Canon hood for kit lens £12.00; Pentax hood £28.00)


Don't buy it and be happy. A friend of mine bought the optional hood, and 
suddenly got worse reflections that not using the hood.
(apparently, the inner part of the hood is not matte enough, so that it 
reflects extra stray light onto ther lens)


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What I don't like about the K-x

[mike wilson]

Obvious stuff first:
No aperture simulator.
No manual DOF preview.
No hood on the kit lens.
(BTW, Canon hood for kit lens £12.00; Pentax hood £28.00)
No power/wired remote sockets.
(At least, not standard sockets - there is a custom mains power system)


More subtle things:
The grip is not so good for me but I have large hands.  I do prefer 
small cameras.

I miss the top LCD.
The detent on the function wheel seems less positive.  No problems yet.


Can't complain, really.

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Re: matte or glossy

[Jack Davis]

Currently, printing most everything on Epson Ultra Premium Luster.
Find I print in fits and starts.

Jack

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matte or glossy

[Larry Colen]

Which photos do you print your photos on matte or glossy paper?

For example, would you print  up to 16x20 on glossy to preserve  
detail, and bigger than that on matte to help obscure pixelation?



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Re: PESO - Just a Blue Tit

[P. J. Alling]

I know it won't make the list but the best one's are completely out of 
context  so:



Your tits seem to be a more vivid blue than ours.

   


MARK!


On 4/7/2010 9:33 AM, mike wilson wrote:

 "Tim Øsleby"  wrote:
   

Ok then, here it is. Nothing fancy, just my latest bird. This time,
link included in first post.
http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/2010/04/blue-tit.html

BTW: I have a question for you. What are your reactions towards the
placement of the bird in the frame?
 

Placement is ok.  You should have asked it to look at the camera and hold its 
head still.  Your tits seem to be a more vivid blue than ours.

   



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Pentax K20D annoyances (a continuing series).

[P. J. Alling]

Ok, I'll preface that by saying I actually like the K20D a lot.  True 
it's quite a bit bigger than any other Pentax camera I own, Film or 
digital.  It doesn't have an aperature simulator, (yea, that still 
torques me off a bit, so sue me), It's exposure system often gives me 
files that take a lot of massaging to get good results from.  However 
over all it's a using it is a very positive experience.


Just a couple of days ago I had an experience that just takes the cake.  
I was changing SD cards when I fumble fingered the camera and dropped it.


The good news was I had the strap over one shoulder...  Which was also 
the bad news.


The strap managed to impart a radial motion to the camera, and in a 
freak circumstance that I don't think that I could accomplish if I tried 
the SD card door latch, (the part of the latch that clicks into the 
camera body, caught my belt loop...  AND SHEARED OFF!


Apparently that little plastic extrusion is more fragile than you'd expect.

Also the strap wasn't as securely on my shoulder as I would have hoped 
and after being slowed the entire camera hit the wooden floor I was 
standing on, (imparting a slight bend to the left hand strap lug.



Now I ask you.  What happens if the SD Door latch doesn't engage?  Yes 
that's right the camera won't operate.  The micro switch that tells the 
camera the door is closed is inside the latch, /rendering/ /the/ 
/entire/ /camera/ USELESS!



Ok, I'm  calm again.


So we're back to the good news bad news again.

Good news. I was able to recover the plastic doohicky that used to be 
part of the SD door latch.


Bad news. No glue that I have available to me will hold that piece of 
plastic in the right place, (I knew it wouldn't work but I just had to 
try.  Well didn't I?)


Good news, my field expedient, (after much language not appropriate to a 
family list), to simply the the plastic doohicky to sit in the latch 
with the door closed, (gaffers tape is wonderful stuff), seems to work, 
it even stays put, if I remember to not use the open control allowing 
the camera to take photos.


The bad news is know I'm just going to loose it changing cards in the 
field eventually.


So it's off to Pentax repair...

eventually.

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Re: OT: Epson R2400

[mike wilson]

Perry Pellechia wrote:

Thanks Dave and Paul for your comments.  The more information I find
the more I am likely to give these printers a chance.  By nature I am
a tinkerer and I like to pick up crap from our surplus center and try
to get it running.  Usually the things I find do not involve much cash
to see if they work.

The waste pad are not easy to access.  There are several write ups and
videos on the net but most modify the printer by running tubing
outside the printer to an external collection bottle.  The service
manual shows the dis-assembly procedure for accessing the pads but
does not seem to give the reset instructions.  I will try the SCC
reset before I order any ink.


Epson has another little trick up its sleeve.  If you dismantle enough 
to remove the heads for cleaning you will find that they do not work 
after reinstallation unless another bit of software is run.  Unlike 
Canon, that allows the user to exchange heads, Epson does everything in 
its power to prevent you.


I do believe I have a copy of the initialisation software somewhere, 
should you need it.


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RE: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[Bob W]

 

> I'm in the midst of cutting and  pasting snippets from book 
> covers, etc.. for the bio.  I hate doing it, too!
> Glad I have company :-) And artist's statements always seem 
> like pompus nonsense to me,mostly  highfalutin' BS.  Oh well.
> 
> But you are kidding about _liking_ doing it Bob, aren't you??
> 

Love it! You can use this if you like:

Extending the thread that links 16th-century Dutch genre painting and
Caillebotte through 
Kertesz to Cartier-Bresson and the later Chicago neo-realists, A's work at
last resolves 
the inherent dilemmas posed by her predecessors' stark omission from their
oeuvre of exemplaires
of juvenile Felis catus (sp). As a daring reminder of the power of nature
despite the urban
captivity of Man, this presence of the fauve brings us full circle to our
own Savannah origins
and the struggle for survival. 

The one in little booties is especially cute.



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RE: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[Rick Womer]

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Bob W  wrote:

> Here's a freeby for anyone who's stuck:
> 
> Neo-Parnassian in outlook, retro-futurist by temperament
> the artist X
> strives to maintain a
> consistent balance in his published ouvrage between a
> déclassé sub-elitism
> and a suprawhelming
> critique of the predominant Anglo-Saxon Euro-verzeichniss
> (to borrow
> Fronde's now-hackneyed
> phraseology). After struggling in her early years for an
> entré into the
> proto-'American'
> culture of Retzian vehemology, the rondpoint in his career
> came with the
> adoption of the new
> phalocrocoratic trending prompted (ab initio) by artists in
> the school of
> Robb, Cotterell and
> Brewer. Later influences which would be harder to dismiss
> (albeit difficult
> to detect) include
> a Roberts-derived courrientiel of the Pittsburgh years.
> 
> Prices start at $15.99.

Gosh, Bob.   That's just =beautiful=. 


  


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Re: PESO: Whitehouse Diner

[ann sanfedele]

Cotty wrote:




On 10/4/10, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:

 


Really?  Gosh  - I love the first one of this diner but  in this one I
see no detail in the foreground and
think it's much too wide a shot...  Hey wat do these Brits know about
diners anyway (ann ducks)
   



Not a great deal, but we do like a fried breakfast now and again. Well,
now anyway.



Got the -wish I could be at GFM blues do ya?)


I like it because of the space surrounding it, which creates a frame
within a frame, if you will. The fact that nothing else appears to be
adjacent gives me a sense that things have moved on and the diner has
been left behind, forlorn. For me a photograph is a 'story' in a
nutshell. The photographer tells that story in how the photograph is
presented. A closer crop would tell me a different story - as it is, I
like the story I'm getting from this one :-)

 


Cheers,
 Cotty

I agree about a photo being a story in a nutshell  - I think the first 
story tells it as well
and is more interesting to look at.  So  I must disagree (now and then, 
Cotters :-) )


xo,
ann






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Re: peso - San Fran

[Sasha Sobol]

Thanks Frank,
you are guessing right.

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On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 10:37 AM, frank theriault
 wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Sasha Sobol  wrote:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/4475982473/
>> What do you think?
>
> I think that's a striking photo - the light is wonderful.  Love all
> those parallel streets going down toward the water.  I'm guessing
> that's Alcatraz in the foreground?
>
> cheers,
> frank
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RE: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[Bob W]

> > For those not wanting to write their artist statements, ask your 
> > mothers to do it for you. Mothers have been producing 
> exaggerated BS 
> > about their children for centuries.
> 
> You've never met my mother then.
> 
> Once, just when I told her that I had an exhibit upcoming in 
> a local cafe, she asked if they were for sale.  I said, 
> "sure!", and she told me not to get my hopes up, wondering 
> why anyone would want to buy photos of total strangers.

My mother once said to me "Bob, you look a bit like Bruce Willis. Except
that he's good-looking".

Bob


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Re: PSO: Branchburg Diner

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Frank.

Yes, it was the missing letters that drew my attention to the current
state of the diner.  The feeling of sadness that generated in turn led
me to notice the other run-down diner in the area (The Whitehouse
Diner) and to decide that I should do a series of photos featuring
these places and other active and abandoned diners in the area.  If
and when the economy recovers, these places may disappear, and be
replaced by strip malls.

Dan

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 1:40 PM, frank theriault
 wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  
> wrote:
>> Another in my planned series of Jersey Diners:
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10873665
>>
>> This is a partially abandoned diner, just a few miles east of the
>> Whitehouse Diner pictured in my previous PESO.  It is actually located
>> in my home town of Branchburg, NJ, although the sign now says
>> "ANCHBURG."   There is a small addition on the east end of the diner
>> that is open and operating as a bar, using the liquor license from the
>> old diner.  There used to be yet another old diner just to the east of
>> this one, but that has been demolished and replaced with a shiny new
>> diner with lots of metal and neon.
>>
>> Comments, criticisms and suggestions are welcome.
>
> Well, the missing letters of the sign make it.  That and the light off
> the stainless steel.
>
> Love it!
>
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: Can't choose between Hell and Tweed?

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On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Bob W  wrote:
>
>>
>> Paris? Paris? Why would you go to Paris? Not getting enough
>> abuse at home?
>> Norm
>>
>
> No. Call me. +44 (0)555 1666.

Don't think he won't try...

Ask Cotty.

;-)

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Re: Can't choose between Hell and Tweed?

[frank theriault]

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Norm Baugher
 wrote:
> Paris? Paris? Why would you go to Paris? Not getting enough abuse at home?
> Norm

 Norm?

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PESO: Royal Diner

[Daniel J. Matyola]

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10891914

Actually, this is part of the Branchburg Diner, the only part still
active.  The Royal Diner was a separate establishment, farther west on
the same highway, but it closed years ago.  They Royal had a liquor
license, which was somehow moved to this location.  It now operates
mostly as a bar and liquor store, but also has some "snacks."

Comments, criticisms and suggestions welcome.


Dan

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Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[frank theriault]

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Miserere  wrote:

> For those not wanting to write their artist statements, ask your
> mothers to do it for you. Mothers have been producing exaggerated BS
> about their children for centuries.

You've never met my mother then.

Once, just when I told her that I had an exhibit upcoming in a local
cafe, she asked if they were for sale.  I said, "sure!", and she told
me not to get my hopes up, wondering why anyone would want to buy
photos of total strangers.

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Re: PSO: Branchburg Diner

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On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> Another in my planned series of Jersey Diners:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10873665
>
> This is a partially abandoned diner, just a few miles east of the
> Whitehouse Diner pictured in my previous PESO.  It is actually located
> in my home town of Branchburg, NJ, although the sign now says
> "ANCHBURG."   There is a small addition on the east end of the diner
> that is open and operating as a bar, using the liquor license from the
> old diner.  There used to be yet another old diner just to the east of
> this one, but that has been demolished and replaced with a shiny new
> diner with lots of metal and neon.
>
> Comments, criticisms and suggestions are welcome.

Well, the missing letters of the sign make it.  That and the light off
the stainless steel.

Love it!

cheers,
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Re: PESO: Genie's Weenies

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks for your kind remarks, Frank.

Dan

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 1:35 PM, frank theriault
 wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  
> wrote:
>> A little diner on the highway near my home:
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10873718
>>
>> Comments, criticisms, and suggestions will be welcome.
>
> Now ~that's~ green!
>
> Terrific shot, great series (what I've seen of it so far).
>
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[Miserere]

On 10 April 2010 06:20, Bruce Walker  wrote:
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> There must be a web-service that will automatically generate some
> appropriate drivel, especially for artists statement.
>
> -bmw

For those not wanting to write their artist statements, ask your
mothers to do it for you. Mothers have been producing exaggerated BS
about their children for centuries.


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Re: peso - San Fran

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Sasha Sobol  wrote:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/4475982473/
> What do you think?

I think that's a striking photo - the light is wonderful.  Love all
those parallel streets going down toward the water.  I'm guessing
that's Alcatraz in the foreground?

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Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[ann sanfedele]

AlunFoto wrote:


2010/4/10 Christine  Aguila :
 


lol.  I know this stuff is a drag, but I think you could do better than two
sentences.  Go nuts.  Try for 4 sentences.  :-).  Cheers, Christine
   



Too late. Statement is in the mail now.


 

My stuff is about to be in the mail... but I cheated _ I didn't read an 
example :-)


ann

p.s. However  I was tempted to use Bob's


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Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[Miserere]

On 9 April 2010 21:41, Christine  Aguila  wrote:
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> Not yet.  Maybe tomorrow?  cheers, Christine

USPS finally deigned themselves to update the tracking status, showing
that my envelope arrived in Atlanta yesterday. Makes complete sense
that to get from Boston to Chicago, two major cities in the North, the
letter would travel South first.

Maybe it will finally arrive on your doorstep in another week  :-\

Cheers,


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Re: PESO: Genie's Weenies

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> A little diner on the highway near my home:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10873718
>
> Comments, criticisms, and suggestions will be welcome.

Now ~that's~ green!

Terrific shot, great series (what I've seen of it so far).

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Re: Monthly photo club photos

[frank theriault]

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 6:02 AM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> Superb. Brilliant concepts, both.

Agreed.

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Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[AlunFoto]

2010/4/10 Cotty :
> On 10/4/10, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Jostien
>
> :-/  !!

Thanks mate. :-)

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Re: PESO: Big Foot is Real!

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On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> At the coast, in an adjoining parking space.
>
> Jack
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=484

;-)

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Re: PESO: Whitehouse Diner

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Bob.

Dan M

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>> >>>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10891938
>> >>>
>> >>>Dan M
>> >>>
>> >>That one really works for me - superb.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >Seconded.
>> >
>> >--
>> >Cheers,
>> >  Cotty
>> >
>>
>> Really?  Gosh  - I love the first one of this diner but  in
>> this one I see no detail in the foreground and think it's
>> much too wide a shot...  Hey wat do these Brits know about
>> diners anyway (ann ducks)
>>
>
> I second Cotty's reply.
>
> What do we know about diners? We invented them!
> 
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Re: Panoramic disc - WTB and info wanted

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2010/4/10 Leon Altoff :
>
> I'm always interested in the gory detail.  The Novoflex is $5
> cheaper,40g lighter and 5 mm thinner than the Gitzo - all are good -
> but I can't find it's maximum load capacity on the net.

Hi Leon

(ended up writing more than I want to, hope it is clear)

I haven't used the Gitzo yet so I can't comment on that but as opposed
to Gitzo, Novoflex makes very complete macro and panorama systems
consisting of mutually interchangeable parts so you can gradually
expand with dual use for quite a number of items.

If you look here the Novoflex equivalent to the Gitzo, i.e. the base
model 'PANORAMA'  is actually $90.90 cheaper
http://www.novoflex.com/en/products/panorama-photography/panorama-plates/

Scroll down a bit for the ones I use, 'PANORAMA=Q' and 'PANORAMA=Q
PRO'. I am extremely happy with both of them under use with rigs
weighing up to 5 kilos plus (sometimes massive) leverage factor. There
is no shakiness and no sign of stiction or torsion/distortion.
Novoflex produces in-house to very tight specs, everything is laser
cut or CNC machined, their service is truly excellent and so is their
engineering. I don't know the exact load-bearing specs but I think
they'd beat the Gitzo (and I can find out if you want).

The reasons I recommend Novoflex over Gitzo in this particular case are:

Since I feel it is better to place the plate between ballhead and rig
rather than between tripod and ballhead (why rotate additional weight
and have an additional source of angle/levelling errors?) I feel the
plate might as well have quick release included -  'PANORAMA=Q' is
fully Arca Swiss / Markins / RRS / you name it compatible and you'd
still save fourty bucks on the Gitzo. Really very nice. Plus it can
stay on your ballhead all the time assuming you use Arca style QR.

The 'Q PRO' costs two Gitzos but if you have the money to burn (quote
from Novoflex) it is quite convenient: With the rotary selector button
8 different click-stop-positions (angle steps) can be set. The
adjustment possibilities are from 360° = stepless, 60° = 6
click-stops, 45° = 8 click-stops, 36° = 10 click-stops, 30° = 12
click-stops, 24° = 15 click-stops, 20° = 18 click-stops, 15° =24
click-stops to 10° = 36 click-stops. With the crossed spirit levels
the panorama plate (PANORAMA=Q PRO) is aligned accurately.

This is extremely useful if you ever want to upgrade to shooting multi
row or sphaeric panos. Less stitching issues with reproducible angles.
And so on, bla bla bla.

If you look at their panorama and macro systems side by side, you can
easily see how things fit together and define your starting point.
Meaning of course you don't have to lug around separate pano and macro
kits, I can only repeat that, it is a big weight saver =)

Cheers
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RE: PESO: Whitehouse Diner

[Bob W]

> >>>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10891938
> >>>
> >>>Dan M
> >>>
> >>That one really works for me - superb.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Seconded.
> >
> >--
> >Cheers,
> >  Cotty
> >
> 
> Really?  Gosh  - I love the first one of this diner but  in 
> this one I see no detail in the foreground and think it's 
> much too wide a shot...  Hey wat do these Brits know about 
> diners anyway (ann ducks)
> 

I second Cotty's reply.

What do we know about diners? We invented them!




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Re: PESO: Whitehouse Diner

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Cotty for looking and for those interesting comments.

I see what you mean, and understand what you are saying.  Personally,
I like the first one because it has more detail.  I especially tried
to bring out the remaining hints of aqua color in the sign and in the
siding.  To me, these are reminders that this place once has
pretensions of style and fashion (perhaps art deco?) that have not
only vanished, but become obsolete.

That is why I plan to pair it with Loukas' Diner, with all its color
and glitz.  The Whitehouse
Diner once had that sort of ability to catch the eye and draw in the
passing travelers, but its day has passed, and it decays forlornly
alongside its crumbling parking lot and bare surroundings.

Dan M

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Cotty  wrote:
> 
>
> On 10/4/10, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Really?  Gosh  - I love the first one of this diner but  in this one I
>>see no detail in the foreground and
>>think it's much too wide a shot...  Hey wat do these Brits know about
>>diners anyway (ann ducks)
>
> Not a great deal, but we do like a fried breakfast now and again. Well,
> now anyway.
>
> I like it because of the space surrounding it, which creates a frame
> within a frame, if you will. The fact that nothing else appears to be
> adjacent gives me a sense that things have moved on and the diner has
> been left behind, forlorn. For me a photograph is a 'story' in a
> nutshell. The photographer tells that story in how the photograph is
> presented. A closer crop would tell me a different story - as it is, I
> like the story I'm getting from this one :-)
>
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Re: Easy Release - iPhone model release form

[P. J. Alling]

On 4/7/2010 11:13 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

First I need an iPhone.
Then i need to figure out apps.
Then i need to find someone willing to let me take their picture.

Na.

I'll just stick to hiding in bushes for my photos.

Dave
   


Much Jail time?


On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Cotty  wrote:
   

Might be of interest to some Pentaxians with iPhones...



iPhone based model release form, signable on the device at the point of
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Re: PESO: Whitehouse Diner

[Cotty]

On 10/4/10, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Really?  Gosh  - I love the first one of this diner but  in this one I
>see no detail in the foreground and
>think it's much too wide a shot...  Hey wat do these Brits know about
>diners anyway (ann ducks)

Not a great deal, but we do like a fried breakfast now and again. Well,
now anyway.

I like it because of the space surrounding it, which creates a frame
within a frame, if you will. The fact that nothing else appears to be
adjacent gives me a sense that things have moved on and the diner has
been left behind, forlorn. For me a photograph is a 'story' in a
nutshell. The photographer tells that story in how the photograph is
presented. A closer crop would tell me a different story - as it is, I
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Re: OT - iPad: Will It Blend?

[Cotty]

On 10/4/10, Bertil Holmberg, discombobulated, unleashed:

>It also shows gross contempt for the underpaid Chinese girls that works
>long hours to produce all the nice things that we in the western world
>can buy for a very small part of our large salaries.

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Re: Loukas' Diner

[Cotty]

On 10/4/10, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I was perhaps a bit harsh in my critisism.

Mark.

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Re: Eggelston Exhibit at Chicago Art Institute

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On 9/4/10, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

>  g.. Toys

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Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[Cotty]

On 10/4/10, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Jostien

:-/  !!

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Re: PESO: Sea Otter Lunch

[Bob Sullivan]

Jack,
I've enjoyed your photos from the Monterey trip, the gulls, Marina
kites, Moss landing, even Big Foot.  My wife and I were out there in
November enjoying the coast and a few days in San Francisco.  Was that
Moss Landing with the pier full of sea lions?

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10897836

Your shots brought back fun memories...
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 6:21 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Our cat (Sqeak) has trained this household pretty much to suit her rhythm of 
> hunger and rest. I mistakenly thought that was my job. :-\
>
> Jack
>
> --- On Fri, 4/9/10, William Robb  wrote:
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>> From: William Robb 
>> Subject: Re: PESO: Sea Otter Lunch
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 8:15 PM
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Jack Davis"
>> Subject: Re: PESO: Sea Otter Lunch
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Frank! Maybe your next life.?
>> I'd like to be a Sea Otter so I could afford to eat
>> abalone. ;)
>>
>>
>> When we were having the stacks installed in our house, the
>> plumber had to walk through our bedroom to the bathroom many
>> times throughout the day.
>> One time, I heard him burst out laughing, and he told me
>> that when he died, he wanted to come back as my dogs.
>> I don't think he cared which one.
>> They were playing people, lying on the bed with their heads
>> on the pillows, fast asleep and competely oblivious to the
>> bruahua that was going on around them.
>>
>> William Robb
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Re: Loukas' Diner

[David J Brooks]

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 7:43 AM, frank theriault
 wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:49 PM, William Robb  wrote:
> as a work of art
>> it has all the charms of a 3 day dead cat.
> 
>
> A three day dead cat may not be charming, but it ~could~ be art (at
> least in the eyes of some)...

Mike Johnson comes to mind.;-)

Dave
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> ;-)
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Re: Insta-shade for photographing flowers?

[David J Brooks]

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Bob W  wrote:

> Actually a black velvet cloak would work rather well.

What about a 12" or 14" piece of that black foam board that photos are
mounted to.

Small and light.

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Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[AlunFoto]

2010/4/10 Christine  Aguila :
>
> lol.  I know this stuff is a drag, but I think you could do better than two
> sentences.  Go nuts.  Try for 4 sentences.  :-).  Cheers, Christine

Too late. Statement is in the mail now.


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Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
From: "William Robb" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants




- Original Message - 
From: "Christine Aguila"

Subject: Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants





lol.  I know this stuff is a drag, but I think you could do better than 
two sentences.  Go nuts.  Try for 4 sentences.  :-).  Cheers, Christine


You got one sentence out of me.



Depending on what the sentence says, we all might be a little glad about 
your brevity here  :-)  xxoo  Cheers, Christine 




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Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[AlunFoto]

2010/4/10 Bob W :
>
> Here's a freeby for anyone who's stuck:
>
> Neo-Parnassian in outlook, retro-futurist by temperament the artist X
> strives to maintain a
> consistent balance in his published ouvrage between a déclassé sub-elitism
> and a suprawhelming
> critique of the predominant Anglo-Saxon Euro-verzeichniss (to borrow
> Fronde's now-hackneyed
> phraseology). After struggling in her early years for an entré into the
> proto-'American'
> culture of Retzian vehemology, the rondpoint in his career came with the
> adoption of the new
> phalocrocoratic trending prompted (ab initio) by artists in the school of
> Robb, Cotterell and
> Brewer. Later influences which would be harder to dismiss (albeit difficult
> to detect) include
> a Roberts-derived courrientiel of the Pittsburgh years.
>
> Prices start at $15.99.

LOL!

Compared to that, I'm even to spartan for a KISS approach.

Jostein

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RE: Insta-shade for photographing flowers?

[John Sessoms]

From: "Bob W"

You might find one of these more useful:
> > 

>  > e_hat_
> > top_hats.gif>
> 
> LOL not for the back pocket...
> 
> how about a matte black inflatable something???
> 


Actually a black velvet cloak would work rather well. For anyone on the list
who still has enough self-respect not to wear such a thing, a simple piece
of black velvet in the camera bag would be sufficient. An A-frame can be
constructed quite easily from local materials following the instructions
provided in the Collins GEM SAS Survival Guide, a copy of which is assumed
also to be in every photographer's bag. 


The other option is always to travel with a large black umbrella, as does
Nick Crane, and use that to provide shade. It would also be useful for
fighting off wild dogs, but obviously it couldn't do both at the same time.
You'd need 2 umbrellas for that.

So to sum up, the well-equipped flower photographer should wear a stove-pipe
hat and black velvet cloak, always carry a large umbrella and be proficient
in SAS-style survival skills.



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Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Christine Aguila"

Subject: Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants





lol.  I know this stuff is a drag, but I think you could do better than 
two sentences.  Go nuts.  Try for 4 sentences.  :-).  Cheers, Christine


You got one sentence out of me.

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Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[John Sessoms]

From: Bruce Walker

AlunFoto wrote:

> Agh!
> COA will be in the mail today.
> that artist statement is a true PITA, though. And the bio too. I hate
> writing such stuff about myself. Will two sentences on each do?
> 
> Jostien


There must be a web-service that will automatically generate some 
appropriate drivel, especially for artists statement.


Use this:

http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/examples/gobbledygook-generator.html

Then filter the output through this:

http://www.bmeijer.com/fun_stuff/runic_translator/index.html

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Re: Chicago questions:

[Bob Sullivan]

Larry,
The camera store situation is pretty grim in Chicago.  I doubt that
you will find a 16-50 zoom for sale.
Central Camera is an old time camera store on Wabash, under the
'elevated train' tracks.  It's just big enough for a single aisle down
the middle with display cases on either side and merchandise packed to
the ceiling.  (If you're looking for some old 6x7 miscellaneous stuff,
they've got it.)
Helix Camera is a mile or so west of Downtown.  They were operators of
11-12 stores in the area but closed all but their 6 story headquarters
building.  Now, 35mm stuff is consolidated into about 1/4 the space it
was.  They seem to rent movie lighting, etc. to the crews filming in
Chicago.  It was an OK place but with little Pentax gear.
Calumet Photo got me one of the first K-10's around here.  They are an
old name, but growing recently.  They opened an outlet near me in the
suburbs and they have other outlets in other major cities.  The outlet
near me has no Pentax gear, catering to Nikon/Canon shooters with lots
of floor displays of big printers and lighting.  They don't do 35mm
film development at all!
This is why I shop mail order.
Regards,  Bob S.


On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Christine  Aguila
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> The 3 major camera stores in Chicago are Helix, Calumet Photo, and Central
> Camera.  I was in Central Camera (Wabash Ave) last week looking for the
> Pentax 540 flash, and they didn't have it.  I asked about the K7, and they
> didn't have any more in stock and stated that they didn't know if they were
> going to order more.  I was in Calumet Photo on Cherry st (Goose
> Island--Division & Elston) to buy some photo paper and noticed the store
> doesn't even have pentax stuff in showcases--though I have bought quite a
> bit of pentax equipment there over the last two years--and the manager, John
> is really nice. I quite dislike Helix; I find some of the staff rude and
> arrogant, though if I really needed something, I would give them a try.  I
> don't know what they have been recently carrying in pentax gear.
>
> I mostly shop at Central Camera and Calumet Photo, but I would never say
> you'd get great Pentax deals at these two shops unless there is some kind of
> sale, which I don't often see.
>
> Call these stores when you get into town and ask if they carry the 16-50 at
> the price you're looking for.  Cheers, Christine
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 4:24 PM
> Subject: Chicago questions:
>
>
>> First question:
>> Are there any camera shops in Chicago that carry a good selection of
>> pentax gear?
>>
>> I've found the 16-50 locally for $799, which considering its reputation
>> for being decentered may be worth the extra, plus sales tax of getting it
>> mail order.
>> However, if there's a shop in Chicago that has it for a good price, maybe
>> it'd be worthwhile to get it there.
>>
>> I'd be a bit more confident buying a DA35 mail order, but it'd be nice to
>> see one in person.
>>
>> Second question:
>> Would anyone be up to splitting a hotel room?  Money not spent on hotel
>> could be spent on camera gear. I've got a friend I can crash with, but she
>> lives way north of downtown and I'd spend way too much time on the train.
>>
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Re: OT - iPad: Will It Blend?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "AlunFoto"

Subject: Re: OT - iPad: Will It Blend?




Shame on you too for enjoying this charade.


Rather enjoy this charade than underpaid chinese girls.


Underpaid Chinese girls can be enjoyable.

WW

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Re: Loukas' Diner

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
Subject: Re: Loukas' Diner




Well, I think the metal and neon look is designed more to draw
attention as people drive by than to be artistic or architecturally
significant.  I was aiming more for a point of contrast to the
abandoned Whitehouse Diner that for any intrinsic merit in the
structure or the image.  I will, however, give some thought to an
angle or perspective that will serve that purpose and still have more
stand-alone interest in its own right as an image.



I was perhaps a bit harsh in my critisism.

William Robb

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Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[Christine Aguila]

Way to go, Chris!  Glad the podcast helped!  Cheers, Christine


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Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants



AlunFoto wrote:

Sent: 10 April 2010 10:36
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

Agh!
COA will be in the mail today.
that artist statement is a true PITA, though. And the bio too. I hate
writing such stuff about myself. Will two sentences on each do?

Jostien


I found it a bit daunting at first, but I found that the podcast that
Christine recommended gave me pointers and I'm really pleased with what 
I've

turned out.

Chris



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Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants

[Christine Aguila]

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Subject: Re: Attention PDML Exhibit Participants


Agh!
COA will be in the mail today.
that artist statement is a true PITA, though. And the bio too. I hate
writing such stuff about myself. Will two sentences on each do?


lol.  I know this stuff is a drag, but I think you could do better than two 
sentences.  Go nuts.  Try for 4 sentences.  :-).  Cheers, Christine 




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Re: PESO - Original

[Christine Aguila]

Hi Frank:  Good to have you back, and I love this picture very much--now, 
make sure you take a look at the two emails I sent you about the exhibit and 
attend to them  :-).  Cheers, Christine



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From: "frank theriault" 

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Subject: Re: PESO - Original



On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 8:11 PM, eckinator  wrote:

Most theriaultean and a pleasure to view =)
Welcome back
Ecke


Larry, Dave, Ecke, thanks to each of you (and to others who've looked
but not commented).  It's nice to be back.

I've only got about 434 threads to look at...

;-)

cheers,
frank


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Re: PESO: Big Foot is Real!

[Jack Davis]

LoL..

Jack

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, drd1...@gmail.com  wrote:

> From: drd1...@gmail.com 
> Subject: Re: PESO: Big Foot is Real!
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 7:15 AM
> Nike commerical. 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jack Davis 
> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 06:26:52 
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: PESO: Big Foot is Real!
> 
> At the coast, in an adjoining parking space.
> 
> Jack
> 
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=484
> 
> 
>       
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Re: Chicago questions:

[Christine Aguila]

The 3 major camera stores in Chicago are Helix, Calumet Photo, and Central 
Camera.  I was in Central Camera (Wabash Ave) last week looking for the 
Pentax 540 flash, and they didn't have it.  I asked about the K7, and they 
didn't have any more in stock and stated that they didn't know if they were 
going to order more.  I was in Calumet Photo on Cherry st (Goose 
Island--Division & Elston) to buy some photo paper and noticed the store 
doesn't even have pentax stuff in showcases--though I have bought quite a 
bit of pentax equipment there over the last two years--and the manager, John 
is really nice. I quite dislike Helix; I find some of the staff rude and 
arrogant, though if I really needed something, I would give them a try.  I 
don't know what they have been recently carrying in pentax gear.


I mostly shop at Central Camera and Calumet Photo, but I would never say 
you'd get great Pentax deals at these two shops unless there is some kind of 
sale, which I don't often see.


Call these stores when you get into town and ask if they carry the 16-50 at 
the price you're looking for.  Cheers, Christine





- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Colen" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 4:24 PM
Subject: Chicago questions:



First question:
Are there any camera shops in Chicago that carry a good selection of 
pentax gear?


I've found the 16-50 locally for $799, which considering its reputation 
for being decentered may be worth the extra, plus sales tax of getting it 
mail order.
However, if there's a shop in Chicago that has it for a good price, maybe 
it'd be worthwhile to get it there.


I'd be a bit more confident buying a DA35 mail order, but it'd be nice to 
see one in person.


Second question:
Would anyone be up to splitting a hotel room?  Money not spent on hotel 
could be spent on camera gear. I've got a friend I can crash with, but she 
lives way north of downtown and I'd spend way too much time on the train.


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Re: PESO A cliché

[Bob Sullivan]

Rob,
Mighty nice plus it had to be tricky too!  A 4 shot, 2x2 with those
water reflections is asking for trouble.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 4:18 AM, Rob Studdert  wrote:
> Hi Team,
>
> Another walk, another K-x pano, 4 shots 2x2, rectilinear projection,
> hand held using my trusty old A24/2.8 f4, 1/10th @ ISO2000. Darling
> Harbour Sydney
>
> http://users.tpg.com.au/distudio/temp/Pano-IMGX01350sm.jpg
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: PESO: Big Foot is Real!

[drd1135]

Nike commerical. 
-Original Message-
From: Jack Davis 
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 06:26:52 
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Subject: PESO: Big Foot is Real!

At the coast, in an adjoining parking space.

Jack

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=484


  

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Re: 300mm Kitlens

[Toine]

Thanks, I'll try that with a UV filter. I knew that some lens designs
need a filter at the end of their optical path. This one doesn't have
a filter thread at the end. The softness is only visible when the lens
is fully extended at 2.5 meter focussing range. It has optical parts
in the front and rear. The rear parts don't move during focussing.
Most likely the contraption is optimized at infinity.

On 10 April 2010 15:38, Graydon  wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 01:44:24PM +0200, Toine scripsit:
>> Yep it arrived today. Maybe I'll try some stealthy street photography.
>> It's a little soft for birds.
>
> It looks like it's missing its full-pass neutral density filter; many of
> the catadioptric lenses seem to assume there will be a filter, so if you
> (for some inexplicable reason) don't want to make things dimmer, you
> need to stuff a full-pass piece of glass in there.  Don't know if this
> applies to the particular lens, but the picture sure looks like what my
> Rokinon 800/8 did before I got a full-pass neutral density filter for
> it.  It's now quite sharp, if I manage to get the
> focus-plane-like-a-microtome where I want it.
>
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Re: 300mm Kitlens

[Toine]

Aha! Now I'm hurting my brain what the words 300mm kittens would
trigger in a letter to the newspaper.

On 10 April 2010 15:25, Chris Mitchell  wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgusted_of_Tunbridge_Wells
>
>
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>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
>> Toine
>> Sent: 10 April 2010 14:14
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>> Subject: Re: 300mm Kitlens
>>
>> ?
>>
>> On 10 April 2010 13:56, Chris Mitchell 
>> wrote:
>> > Toine wrote:
>> >> Subject: 300mm Kitlens
>> >>
>> >> http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/126-300mm-kitlens
>> >>
>> >> :)
>> >>
>> >> Toine
>> >>
>> > Initially I read this as 300mm kittens and nearly sent a "disgusted
>> of
>> > Tunbridge Wells" message. Luckily I restrained myself...
>> >
>> > Chris.
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Re: Is there a quick and easy test for the 16-50 decentering problem?

[Dario Bonazza]

Yes, do that as you tell. But don't forget to try several distances among 
close-to-medium focus. The one I had on test was excellent around 60-70mm, 
awful around 1-1.5m and then good beyond that distance.


Dario

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Would it be something like take a picture of a flat surface (brick wall) 
and look for one corner being out of focus?



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