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2010/6/24 paul stenquist :
> [...] G20 [...] attracts looneys from far and wide.

You mean the RCAF is on its way to help the RCMP?

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Re: PESO -- Prayer Service at St. Michael s

heh.. great description and a shot to match... the one shooting is
wearing underbelly pants, too
thanks for sharing
ecke

2010/6/23 P. J. Alling :
> Michael's, (known as St. Michael's to some of it's intimates for some awful
> reason), is a real dive, the kind of place you go to drink swill and pick up
> a case of herpes, or worse, for Twenty bucks, maybe get into a fight on a
> Friday or Saturday night.
>
> Needless to say, it's a great place to photograph, the underbelly of the
> human condition.  These young ladies were praying at it's alter last night.
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20%20prayerserviceatstmichaels.html
>
> Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds w/smc Pentax M 40mm f2.8.
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Re: PESO: A Road Less Traveled

2010-06-24 Thread David Mann

On Jun 23, 2010, at 11:38 PM, CheekyGeek wrote:

> http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1088/4722534814_6d3cdb582a_b.jpg

That's incredible, you should put it on the wall.  I especially like the colour 
in the sky.

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Re: Noise with K7

If I was doing that kind of work on a regular basis -- low light and moving 
kids -- I wouldn't hesitate to switch to a Nikon 700D. Brand loyalty never made 
any sense to me. I continue to use Pentax because it works for everything I do, 
and I like the DA* lens lineup. But I wouldn't let it get in the way of my 
livelihood. 
Paul
On Jun 24, 2010, at 2:26 AM, Tanya Love wrote:

> Lol, actually, Rob is correct!  I am shooting kids IN interiors! Lol. Ie.
> They are shots featuring nurseries and also have to have the babies in them
> as "lifestyle" shots.
> 
> AND, I do have lights, BUT the brief for this magazine is always to use
> available light.  I tend to bounce a low powered strobe into the darkest
> corners of the room to give a
> Little bit of fill that even the most discerning of magazine editors can't
> detect, and I also use a tripod but a lot of the nurseries are really small
> and with a baby or two 
> crawling about on the floor, it can make for fun times.
> 
> I have been playing a lot with the NR in CS5 and LR3, but even so, it is all
> more work to add to the post workflow.  I *really* wish it could be done
> perfect first time around.
> 
> This, and the ability to shoot tethered are two major flaws in the current
> line up for professionals for Pentax.  It is *almost* enough to make me
> consider switching to Nikon
> 
> ...but not quite. :)
> 
> Tan.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul
> stenquist
> Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2010 11:13 AM
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> Subject: Re: Noise with K7
> 
> 
> On Jun 23, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
> 
>> On 24 June 2010 08:59, paul stenquist  wrote:
>>> The Kx would definitely be better for low light applications. The k20 is
> about the same as the K7. Any difference is splitting hairs.
>>> I shoot a lot of low light interiors. But it's not a problem if you shoot
> off a tripod. I'd do that anyway, even with a Kx. It's the only way to shoot
> interiors.
>> 
>> Motion blur doesn't work so well with kids ;-)
>> 
> She said she's shooting interiors, no mention of kids. If she's shooting
> kids in dimly lit interiors, she needs lights. No need to compromise in
> either case.
> Paul
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Re: Very OT Whoo Hoo


On 6/21/2010 6:27 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

I have always believed that things happen for a reason, and this is a
good reason.:-)

Sorry, but i just had to share.


Good news, Dave. Just be sure to use that CC trick next time ;-).

Boris

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Re: PESO: A Road Less Traveled

Fascinatingly menacing... And I've read your story - most interesting, 
especially given the first hand experience.


Boris


On 6/23/2010 2:38 PM, CheekyGeek wrote:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1088/4722534814_6d3cdb582a_b.jpg

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RE: Noise with K7

2010-06-24 Thread Bruce Dayton

Well short of going to a full frame camera, the K-x is the best you can get for 
shooting at high ISO from any manufacturer.

I have shot about 15,000 frames with mine since getting it a couple of months 
ago.  The worst thing about the camera is how it makes you question the use and 
price of your high end bodies (K20, K7).  They have things about them that are 
better, but when it comes to image quality, the K-x can't be beat.

What I did was to purchase one after looking at many images thinking I might 
return it if it wasn't  enough difference.  I ended up keeping it.  It is now 
the camera I choose to use most of the time, leaving the poor K20 sitting there 
all sad.

I routinely shoot the K-x in jpg.  The processing engine is vastly improved and 
the quality at high ISO is hard to beat, even in PP - Pentax really did this 
body right.  Mind you that I am a hardcore RAW shooter from way back
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Blurb for Good

Just received a mail ( like the rest of us I guess) about the new
Blurb charity book system. Sounds like the PDML Annual might get some
extra exposure there =)
Cheers
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Re: Peso - Clone


On 6/22/2010 11:58 PM, P N Stenquist wrote:

Another pic from Gingerman Raceway.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11165304&size=lg



Hmmm. Having read the other day about the photoshop technique that you 
used for another shot I suddenly feel that this one is a bit artificial 
looking. Probably just some kind of prejudice that was generated in my 
mind having read your explanation of that other shot...


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Re: PESO - cowboy


On 6/21/2010 5:05 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:

http://dougbrewer.posterous.com/cowboy-215

enjoy



Most non-trivial or should I say a rather different look on something 
pretty well known...


Boris

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Re: PESO - Twilight on the Pond


In a way, Frank, I envy you...

Boris

On 6/22/2010 3:04 PM, frank theriault wrote:

Last evening, being the longest day of the year, we took a walk to the
ponds next to Lake Ontario.  It was quite calm and still:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/06/twilight-on-pond.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

cheers,
frank




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Re: Noise with K7

Having a k7 and k20 generates the same result. I haven't touched the k20 in 
close to a year. I'll be shooting with two cameras on a job coming up, so I'll 
probably have to get out the manual to figure out where all the buttons are. 
The k7 is quite different. 

You're right about the low light capability of the Kx. However, if I was 
shooting kids in low light for a living, I'd probably go with the full frame 
Nikon. You'd want the benefits of a big buffer and high frame rate for that. 
But if it was just a once in a while thing, the Kx would be more than adequate. 

Paul

On Jun 24, 2010, at 7:02 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

> Well short of going to a full frame camera, the K-x is the best you can get 
> for shooting at high ISO from any manufacturer.
> 
> I have shot about 15,000 frames with mine since getting it a couple of months 
> ago.  The worst thing about the camera is how it makes you question the use 
> and price of your high end bodies (K20, K7).  They have things about them 
> that are better, but when it comes to image quality, the K-x can't be beat.
> 
> What I did was to purchase one after looking at many images thinking I might 
> return it if it wasn't  enough difference.  I ended up keeping it.  It is now 
> the camera I choose to use most of the time, leaving the poor K20 sitting 
> there all sad.
> 
> I routinely shoot the K-x in jpg.  The processing engine is vastly improved 
> and the quality at high ISO is hard to beat, even in PP - Pentax really did 
> this body right.  Mind you that I am a hardcore RAW shooter from way back
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Re: Peso - Clone


On Jun 24, 2010, at 8:17 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

> On 6/22/2010 11:58 PM, P N Stenquist wrote:
>> Another pic from Gingerman Raceway.
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11165304&size=lg
>> 
> 
> Hmmm. Having read the other day about the photoshop technique that you used 
> for another shot I suddenly feel that this one is a bit artificial looking. 
> Probably just some kind of prejudice that was generated in my mind having 
> read your explanation of that other shot...
> 
> Boris
> 
HI Boris. Thanks for looking. Nope, it's a real pan (f14 @ 1/80th). Nothing 
artificial about the pic. The car, on the other hand:-)
Paul


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Re: PESO: Zion Watchman


On 6/19/2010 4:35 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Less "dramatic" lighting, but more "National Park" worthy Zion shot.
I'll be back and make the effort again one day.


Jack

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http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=522



Sans burnt out clouds, it surely does look like a painting on my screen.

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Re: PESO: Zion Afternoon


I am humbly thinking that this shot is weaker than the "Watchman".

On 6/18/2010 11:14 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Ran across a strip of 120 that had fallen back of a bureau in the
bedroom. Glassed it on the lightbox and decided to have it scanned.
It was one that had been rejected (by me) some years ago..pre PS. Sun
angle flattens some of the darker distant elements, but by pumping
the sun struck and adjacent areas brings it back a little, so am
somewhat torn as to its worth.

Your opinions sought. Thanks!

Jack

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Re: PESO: Ferry Emmalisa

2010-06-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

Nice image.  Great composition and color.

Dan

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> It sure does work fine. Crisp high contrast image.
>
> Jack
>
> --- On Wed, 6/23/10, p...@philnortheast.com  wrote:
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>> From: p...@philnortheast.com 
>> Subject: PESO: Ferry Emmalisa
>> To: "Pentax Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 5:38 PM
>>
>> One of Hobarts's older harbor ferries heading to the dock.
>>
>> K10D  Vivitar Series 1  35-85 f2.8 Varifocal
>> lens. This is one of their
>> Classic Series 1 lens from the 1970s. This one is screw
>> mount but works
>> fine on Av setting on Pentax DSLRs.
>>
>> http://philnortheast.com/aviewfinderdarkly/general/potw/Emmalisa.htm
>>
>> Phil Northeast
>> www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au
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Re: Noise with K7

2010-06-24 Thread William Robb

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From: "Tanya Love"
Subject: RE: Noise with K7

Lol, actually, Rob is correct!  I am shooting kids IN interiors! Lol. Ie.
They are shots featuring nurseries and also have to have the babies in 
them

as "lifestyle" shots.

AND, I do have lights, BUT the brief for this magazine is always to use
available light.  I tend to bounce a low powered strobe into the darkest
corners of the room to give a
Little bit of fill that even the most discerning of magazine editors can't
detect, and I also use a tripod but a lot of the nurseries are really 
small

and with a baby or two
crawling about on the floor, it can make for fun times.

I have been playing a lot with the NR in CS5 and LR3, but even so, it is 
all

more work to add to the post workflow.  I *really* wish it could be done
perfect first time around.

This, and the ability to shoot tethered are two major flaws in the current
line up for professionals for Pentax.  It is *almost* enough to make me
consider switching to Nikon

...but not quite. :)

Nice of you to give all the information right off the get go.
Why aren`t you using a D700 or D3?
They are the right tools for the job. Nothing from Pentax comes even 
remotely close.

William Robb 

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Re: Noise with K7

On 6/24/2010 9:21 AM, William Robb wrote:

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From: "Tanya Love"
Subject: RE: Noise with K7

Lol, actually, Rob is correct!  I am shooting kids IN interiors! Lol. 
Ie.
They are shots featuring nurseries and also have to have the babies 
in them

as "lifestyle" shots.

AND, I do have lights, BUT the brief for this magazine is always to use
available light.  I tend to bounce a low powered strobe into the darkest
corners of the room to give a
Little bit of fill that even the most discerning of magazine editors 
can't
detect, and I also use a tripod but a lot of the nurseries are really 
small

and with a baby or two
crawling about on the floor, it can make for fun times.

I have been playing a lot with the NR in CS5 and LR3, but even so, it 
is all

more work to add to the post workflow.  I *really* wish it could be done
perfect first time around.

This, and the ability to shoot tethered are two major flaws in the 
current

line up for professionals for Pentax.  It is *almost* enough to make me
consider switching to Nikon

...but not quite. :)

Nice of you to give all the information right off the get go.
Why aren`t you using a D700 or D3?
They are the right tools for the job. Nothing from Pentax comes even 
remotely close.

William Robb

My guess is budget.

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Re: Noise with K7

2010-06-24 Thread Bruce Dayton

Thursday, June 24, 2010, 6:52:20 AM, you wrote:

PJA> On 6/24/2010 9:21 AM, William Robb wrote:
>>
>> --
>> From: "Tanya Love"
>> Subject: RE: Noise with K7
>>
>>
>> Nice of you to give all the information right off the get go.
>> Why aren`t you using a D700 or D3?
>> They are the right tools for the job. Nothing from Pentax comes even 
>> remotely close.
>>
>> William Robb
>>
PJA> My guess is budget.

Peter is probably right.  It was in my case.  I needed a body to
shoot one gymnastics meet.  The K-x was $500 - the D700 + 24-70/2.8
was WAY more.  It couldn't be justified.

For Tanya, the question becomes what is her normal shooting?  If this
type of thing becomes the bread and butter, then yes, she should dump
her Pentax stuff and switch to the Nikon D700 + stuff.  If it is only
some of the time, the K-x might be good enough.

Certainly it would make sense to buy/borrow a K-x and try a shoot
before making a final decision - there is such a huge difference in
cost.

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Re: peso - reading

2010-06-24 Thread Sasha Sobol

Thanks Christine.
--S

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Christine  Aguila
 wrote:
> Love the light here, Sasha.  Very nice.  Cheers, Christine
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Sasha Sobol" 
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> Subject: peso - reading
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>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/4715689515/
>>
>> Angry comments are very welcome.
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Re: PESO -- Prayer Service at St. Michael s

2010-06-24 Thread Eric Weir


On Jun 23, 2010, at 10:21 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

> How about a new K-x? They're $500 or so at B&H with the kit 18-55
> zoom, have the best low-light performance of any of the Pentax's and
> are all-round great little cameras. The K10D will not be much cheaper
> for a camera with overall inferior image quality (the K10D is better
> built and has a nicer viewfinder and the extra control dial, the K-x
> is much faster, smaller, has live view, HD video and the better sensor
> & processing).

Thanks for the thoughtful response. I have noticed the enthusiasm for the K-x 
here, and wondered whether it might be the best choice for my interests. 
Perhaps it is.

> Note you'll want the kit zoom, the sensor in the DSLR's is smaller
> than a 35mm frame so you're 50mm has the field of view of a 75mm on
> 35mm, a 30-35mm lens is now normal. Pentax's little 18-55 is a pretty
> good little lens for the money.

And thanks for the heads up on this, too. I'd forgotten about this issue.

Sincerely,
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Decatur, GA  USA
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Re: PESO -- Prayer Service at St. Michael s

2010-06-24 Thread Eric Weir

On Jun 23, 2010, at 10:40 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

> The K10D is a nice camera and delivers good results in moderate to good 
> light. It's low light capabilities are subpar by today's standards. You can 
> probably find a K20D for just a bit more, and it's a lot more camera. A new 
> Kx might be good if you expect to do a lot of low light work. But the k20 
> will give you some things that the Kx doesn't, including weather proofing and 
> a buffer that will keep you shooting longer. And It's probably a better buy 
> right now. Of course that assumes the previous owner hasn't abused it. The KX 
> is a safe bet on that count, in that you'd br buying a new camera.

And thanks for your response, too, Paul. The K20D hadn't occurred to me. The 
things you mention about it are appealing. Looks like a toss-up between the Kx 
and K20d. If I can find one in good condition at a reasonable price it might 
just be the K20D.

And my apologies to everyone for highjacking the thread. I should've changed 
the subject heading before starting to compose my message.

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Re: PESO: A Road Less Traveled

2010-06-24 Thread Stan Halpin



> On Jun 23, 2010, at 04:38 , CheekyGeek wrote:
> 
>> http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1088/4722534814_6d3cdb582a_b.jpg
>> 
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Superb! This would make a great book cover. PDML 2011?

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Re: PESO: Zion Watchman

Thanks, Boris! Appreciated comments, but per my monitor, I don't see the clouds 
as being "burnt out." I'll grant that some parts of their edges show less 
detail. 

Jack

--- On Thu, 6/24/10, Boris Liberman  wrote:

> From: Boris Liberman 
> Subject: Re: PESO: Zion Watchman
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 6:25 AM
> On 6/19/2010 4:35 PM, Jack Davis
> wrote:
> > Less "dramatic" lighting, but more "National Park"
> worthy Zion shot.
> > I'll be back and make the effort again one day.
> >
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > ME Super, Pentax 28mm (f/2.8 I think), Ectar 25
> >
> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=522
> >
> 
> Sans burnt out clouds, it surely does look like a painting
> on my screen.
> 
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Re: PESO: Zion Afternoon

Yeah, the background haze is troublesome and the reason this version was not 
included on my site. I wish for a PP haze filter. =)
I do, however, feel the foreground is considerably more dramatic.

Jack

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> From: Boris Liberman 
> Subject: Re: PESO: Zion Afternoon
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 6:25 AM
> I am humbly thinking that this shot
> is weaker than the "Watchman".
> 
> On 6/18/2010 11:14 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
> > Ran across a strip of 120 that had fallen back of a
> bureau in the
> > bedroom. Glassed it on the lightbox and decided to
> have it scanned.
> > It was one that had been rejected (by me) some years
> ago..pre PS. Sun
> > angle flattens some of the darker distant elements,
> but by pumping
> > the sun struck and adjacent areas brings it back a
> little, so am
> > somewhat torn as to its worth.
> >
> > Your opinions sought. Thanks!
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=521
> >
> > Mamiya 6, 50mm L (sold few years ago), FUJI RDP III
> >
> >
> >
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Peso - another stab at fireflies

2010-06-24 Thread P N Stenquist

Another great firefly show last night, and I again tried to capture it  
on pixels, perhaps with a bit more success. I've found that without  
letting the background go almost black, I get nothing. Of course, it's  
not much of a picture if you can't see some of the environment, so  
black and midrange work in post is necessary.


I'm shooting from about 50 feet away with a 60mm focal length to  
compress it all, while avoiding a need for critical focus. Note that  
the fireflies which move faster while lit have long trails. I believe  
it's also a function of how close to camera they are. I think that guy  
at top right was only about 15 feet away.


Exposure was f 13, 30 seconds, ISO 320.

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Re: GESO - The Fenced City

2010-06-24 Thread David J Brooks

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:50 PM, William Robb  wrote:
>
> --
> From: "paul stenquist"
> Subject: Re: GESO - The Fenced City
>
>> I guess that trembler was up by you folk. Some here said they felt it. I
>> didn't.
>
> Although Toronto likes to think it is the center of everything, apparently
> the tremor was epicentred near Ottawa.
> A friend's daughter was in an office tower that was swaying enough to scare
> the willikers out of her.
>
> William Robb

Apparently there are Tshirts out all ready, showing the centre in
Toronto. What they won't do eh.

BTW i felt nothing. Maybe i should move to LA.:-)

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Re: Peso - another stab at fireflies

Kudos for attempting such an elusive subject. Love the overall lighting.
Don't know what the ISO setting was, but I see a pretty noise free image for an 
exposure of that length. 
There are no such "lightning bugs" (that's what we called them years ago when 
living in Iowa) in California. Certainly not that I'm aware off. We used to 
catch them and smash them on our faces. Messy, but innocent summer evening 
"fun."

Jack

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> From: P N Stenquist 
> Subject: Peso - another stab at fireflies
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 9:15 AM
> Another great firefly show last
> night, and I again tried to capture it on pixels, perhaps
> with a bit more success. I've found that without letting the
> background go almost black, I get nothing. Of course, it's
> not much of a picture if you can't see some of the
> environment, so black and midrange work in post is
> necessary.
> 
> I'm shooting from about 50 feet away with a 60mm focal
> length to compress it all, while avoiding a need for
> critical focus. Note that the fireflies which move faster
> while lit have long trails. I believe it's also a function
> of how close to camera they are. I think that guy at top
> right was only about 15 feet away.

Jack
> 
> Exposure was f 13, 30 seconds, ISO 320.
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11174831&size=lg
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Re: Peso - another stab at fireflies

2010-06-24 Thread Paul Sorenson

Like this one a lot better than the first.  The guy in the UR corner is 
a little distracting because of the length of the trail and draws my 
eyes away from the rest of the image.  I'd consider cloning him/her out.


-p

On 6/24/2010 11:15 AM, P N Stenquist wrote:
Another great firefly show last night, and I again tried to capture it 
on pixels, perhaps with a bit more success. I've found that without 
letting the background go almost black, I get nothing. Of course, it's 
not much of a picture if you can't see some of the environment, so 
black and midrange work in post is necessary.


I'm shooting from about 50 feet away with a 60mm focal length to 
compress it all, while avoiding a need for critical focus. Note that 
the fireflies which move faster while lit have long trails. I believe 
it's also a function of how close to camera they are. I think that guy 
at top right was only about 15 feet away.


Exposure was f 13, 30 seconds, ISO 320.

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Re: Peso - another stab at fireflies

2010-06-24 Thread P N Stenquist

Thanks Paul. I was going to clone the long trail, but I figured it was  
interesting if not attractive. But you're right in that it would be a  
better photo without it.

Paul


On Jun 24, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

Like this one a lot better than the first.  The guy in the UR corner  
is a little distracting because of the length of the trail and draws  
my eyes away from the rest of the image.  I'd consider cloning him/ 
her out.


-p

On 6/24/2010 11:15 AM, P N Stenquist wrote:
Another great firefly show last night, and I again tried to capture  
it on pixels, perhaps with a bit more success. I've found that  
without letting the background go almost black, I get nothing. Of  
course, it's not much of a picture if you can't see some of the  
environment, so black and midrange work in post is necessary.


I'm shooting from about 50 feet away with a 60mm focal length to  
compress it all, while avoiding a need for critical focus. Note  
that the fireflies which move faster while lit have long trails. I  
believe it's also a function of how close to camera they are. I  
think that guy at top right was only about 15 feet away.


Exposure was f 13, 30 seconds, ISO 320.

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Re: Peso - another stab at fireflies

2010-06-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

That's a wonderful image.  I like the long trail in the upper right;
I think that it makes the image, rather than distracting from it.  It
shows what a determined little bug can do!

dan

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Paul Sorenson
 wrote:
> Like this one a lot better than the first.  The guy in the UR corner is a
> little distracting because of the length of the trail and draws my eyes away
> from the rest of the image.  I'd consider cloning him/her out.
>
> -p
>
> On 6/24/2010 11:15 AM, P N Stenquist wrote:
>>
>> Another great firefly show last night, and I again tried to capture it on
>> pixels, perhaps with a bit more success. I've found that without letting the
>> background go almost black, I get nothing. Of course, it's not much of a
>> picture if you can't see some of the environment, so black and midrange work
>> in post is necessary.
>>
>> I'm shooting from about 50 feet away with a 60mm focal length to compress
>> it all, while avoiding a need for critical focus. Note that the fireflies
>> which move faster while lit have long trails. I believe it's also a function
>> of how close to camera they are. I think that guy at top right was only
>> about 15 feet away.
>>
>> Exposure was f 13, 30 seconds, ISO 320.
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11174831&size=lg
>>
>>
>>
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OT: World Cup

2010-06-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

Chvála Bohu !Three Cheers for the Red, White and Blue!

My Slovak brothers upset the mighty Italians!

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Re: Noise with K7

2010-06-24 Thread John Francis

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 04:02:47AM -0700, Bruce Dayton wrote:
> Well short of going to a full frame camera, the K-x is the best you can get 
> for shooting at high ISO from any manufacturer.
> 
> I have shot about 15,000 frames with mine since getting it a couple of months 
> ago.  The worst thing about the camera is how it makes you question the use 
> and price of your high end bodies (K20, K7).  They have things about them 
> that are better, but when it comes to image quality, the K-x can't be beat.
 
If image quality was related to the price we paid for the camera, we'd all 
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Re: OT: World Cup

Congrats Dan! =)
Cheers
Ecke
PS: Not much to be expected from the not so mighty Germans this time,
I'm afraid so let's see if your brethren can upset them, too?

2010/6/24 Daniel J. Matyola :
> Chvála Bohu !    Three Cheers for the Red, White and Blue!
>
> My Slovak brothers upset the mighty Italians!
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Re: Peso - another stab at fireflies

Positively what Dan said imho. Keep the log trail; don't be tempted
into negating that bug's efforts. And don't clone out the bird either
- after all it stood still in mid-take-off for 30 seconds =) All in
all wonderful image indeed
thanks for sharing
ecke

2010/6/24 Daniel J. Matyola :
> That's a wonderful image.  I like the long trail in the upper right;
> I think that it makes the image, rather than distracting from it.  It
> shows what a determined little bug can do!
>
> dan
>
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Paul Sorenson
>  wrote:
>> Like this one a lot better than the first.  The guy in the UR corner is a
>> little distracting because of the length of the trail and draws my eyes away
>> from the rest of the image.  I'd consider cloning him/her out.
>>
>> -p
>>
>> On 6/24/2010 11:15 AM, P N Stenquist wrote:
>>>
>>> Another great firefly show last night, and I again tried to capture it on
>>> pixels, perhaps with a bit more success. I've found that without letting the
>>> background go almost black, I get nothing. Of course, it's not much of a
>>> picture if you can't see some of the environment, so black and midrange work
>>> in post is necessary.
>>>
>>> I'm shooting from about 50 feet away with a 60mm focal length to compress
>>> it all, while avoiding a need for critical focus. Note that the fireflies
>>> which move faster while lit have long trails. I believe it's also a function
>>> of how close to camera they are. I think that guy at top right was only
>>> about 15 feet away.
>>>
>>> Exposure was f 13, 30 seconds, ISO 320.
>>>
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11174831&size=lg
>>>
>>>
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PESO: Asymetrical Finch

Plinking from the patio chaise again. They always seem so fastidiously proper 
and together, but this made me grin.

Jack

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Blurb Discount for LiveJournal Users?

2010-06-24 Thread Larry Colen

A friend just posted a note about blurb having a $15 discount for LJ users,  I 
don't know the details or if it applies to the pdml annual, but the discount 
code is  LJRN16

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Re: Peso - another stab at fireflies

2010-06-24 Thread Charles Robinson

On Jun 24, 2010, at 11:15, P N Stenquist wrote:
> I'm shooting from about 50 feet away with a 60mm focal length to compress it 
> all, while avoiding a need for critical focus. Note that the fireflies which 
> move faster while lit have long trails. I believe it's also a function of how 
> close to camera they are. I think that guy at top right was only about 15 
> feet away.
> 
> Exposure was f 13, 30 seconds, ISO 320.
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11174831&size=lg
> 

That's some tricky work there.  I like the mood, but it needs more "something" 
(don't know what that is) to REALLY work for me.

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Re: PESO: Asymetrical Finch

Indeed. A nice change of perspective. Hey you, sort out your coattails!
Thanks for sharing
Ecke

2010/6/24 Jack Davis :
> Plinking from the patio chaise again. They always seem so fastidiously proper 
> and together, but this made me grin.
>
> Jack
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Re: LR3 and focal-length metadata - interesting

2010-06-24 Thread steve harley


On 2010-06-22 11:59 , Charles Robinson wrote:

Now that I can select by focal length in LR, it's fun to see the distribution for my 16-50.  
Clearly the most-popular is "as wide as possible" followed by "full zoom" but 
after that it seems to be an even distribution...


i was curious what it would take to do this in Aperture; i have Aperture 
2 for now, which is scriptable, so i wrote a short AppleScript to create 
a histogram in the form of a list of numbers, then pasted the result 
into a spreadsheet to create a chart; the result was fairly predictable 
(to me) ...




... i've been shooting a ton of macro shots at 45mm with my 16-45 to 
document my garden, and i shoot macro a lot anyway, but if it weren't 
for the garden project i think 16 would dominate; the 50 column is a bit 
of a fluke since i pushed myself to use my M 50/1.4 a lot on a trip in 
April (if i broke it out by date that would probably make this more clear)


if anyone wants the AppleScript let me know; with luck it'll work in 
Aperture 3


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Re: Peso - another stab at fireflies

2010-06-24 Thread Larry Colen


On Jun 24, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

> On Jun 24, 2010, at 11:15, P N Stenquist wrote:
>> I'm shooting from about 50 feet away with a 60mm focal length to compress it 
>> all, while avoiding a need for critical focus. Note that the fireflies which 
>> move faster while lit have long trails. I believe it's also a function of 
>> how close to camera they are. I think that guy at top right was only about 
>> 15 feet away.
>> 
>> Exposure was f 13, 30 seconds, ISO 320.
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11174831&size=lg
>> 
> 
> That's some tricky work there.  I like the mood, but it needs more 
> "something" (don't know what that is) to REALLY work for me.

I missed that the first time around. Life got busy and I got overwhelmed by 
500+ messages in the queue.

I really like this.  It is, perhaps, a bit dark, but very cool.  If I lived 
where there were fireflies, I'd be out trying that myself tonight.

> 
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Re: PESO: Asymetrical Finch

Thank you, Ecke! Bit of whimsy.

Jack

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> From: eckinator 
> Subject: Re: PESO: Asymetrical Finch
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 12:25 PM
> Indeed. A nice change of perspective.
> Hey you, sort out your coattails!
> Thanks for sharing
> Ecke
> 
> 2010/6/24 Jack Davis :
> > Plinking from the patio chaise again. They always seem
> so fastidiously proper and together, but this made me grin.
> >
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Re: Noise with K7

Mark!

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Re: Noise with K7

2010-06-24 Thread Mark Roberts

Rick Womer wrote:

>--- On Thu, 6/24/10, John Francis  wrote:
>>  
>> If image quality was related to the price we paid for the
>> camera, we'd all still be using the *ist-D :-)
>>Mark!


Brilliant!
(Though, come to think of it, John's statement isn't true in my
case...)


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Re: PESO: Ferry Emmalisa

I like it, except for the background, which is cluttered and distracting.  Were 
you at f/2.8?

Rick

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> Subject: PESO: Ferry Emmalisa
> To: "Pentax Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 8:38 PM
> 
> One of Hobarts's older harbor ferries heading to the dock.
> 
> K10D  Vivitar Series 1  35-85 f2.8 Varifocal
> lens. This is one of their
> Classic Series 1 lens from the 1970s. This one is screw
> mount but works
> fine on Av setting on Pentax DSLRs.
> 
> http://philnortheast.com/aviewfinderdarkly/general/potw/Emmalisa.htm
> 
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K20D

2010-06-24 Thread Eric Weir


There's a K20D with a DA 28-55 DA lens for sale on eBay. Is a shutter count of 
26000 high?

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Re: K20D

2010-06-24 Thread P N Stenquist



On Jun 24, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Eric Weir wrote:



There's a K20D with a DA 28-55 DA lens for sale on eBay. Is a  
shutter count of 26000 high?


I'd say that's about normal for a K20D. That's about where mine is at.  
I'd be more suspicious of a camera that was barely used. I would think  
it should go at least fifty or sixty thousand without a related failure.

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Re: K20D

Official shutter life spec of the K10D was 100,000. I believe the K20D
has the same shutter assembly. However, IIRC there was a thread here a
few weeks ago where two people stated that their respective K20Ds
started acting up around that count. Then again, the shutter life
database looks pretty positive:
http://www.olegkikin.com/shutterlife/pentax_k20d.htm
Personally, I would look for signs of wear and abuse much more than
that and perhaps not pay as much as for one with 2,600 actuations on
it as seen on eBay a few weeks ago as well...
Cheers
Ecke

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> of 26000 high?
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Re: K20D

Here's data for the K10D
http://olegkikin.com/shutterlife/pentax_k10d.htm - now all we need is
a master Pentaxian to let us know if shutters are the same. Also I
agree with Paul about a showcase queen; shutters need to be exercised
so next to nothing may be suspicious, too.
Happy shopping
Ecke

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Re: K20D

I should add that this is a user fed database and while raw data are
probably accurate, they are not necessarily a representative sample.
HTH Ecke

2010/6/25 eckinator :
> Here's data for the K10D
> http://olegkikin.com/shutterlife/pentax_k10d.htm - now all we need is
> a master Pentaxian to let us know if shutters are the same. Also I
> agree with Paul about a showcase queen; shutters need to be exercised
> so next to nothing may be suspicious, too.
> Happy shopping
> Ecke
>
> 2010/6/25 Eric Weir :
>>
>> There's a K20D with a DA 28-55 DA lens for sale on eBay. Is a shutter count 
>> of 26000 high?
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OT - G8/G20 silly season

2010-06-24 Thread Bruce Walker

As many will know (especially Torontonians) a G20 conference is 
happening in the downtown core of Toronto this weekend. The whole place 
is a maze of fine mesh fencing, gangs of police are patrolling the 
ground, the airspace is restricted and filled with black helicopters. 
One radio announcer likened it to Beirut circa 1983.


The police are armed with water cannons and brand new sound cannons 
bought especially for this outing. Of course, they're all nervous, 
pumped and just itching for the chance to take somebody out.


Into the middle of this comes Wingnut McWhackjob ...

"The grey-haired, bespectacled driver, 53, was hustled away by police 
after they stopped his silver, four-door Hyundai driving westbound on 
the Esplanade because it was topped with a homemade steel container.

The metal storage box was riveted together and balanced on some foam [...]

"Inside the car they found five blue and red fuel canisters, some only 
partially full, a half-empty bottle of coke, a bundle of arrows with red 
and yellow tips, as well as a large chainsaw, [a] homemade orange steel 
crossbow and a baseball bat.


"Three medium-sized suitcases were found to be stuffed with batteries, 
scribbled notebooks, and a copy of “100 ways to Make Money on the Internet.”


http://is.gd/d2IEN

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Re: OT - G8/G20 silly season

I think the half-empty bottle of coke will get him a trip to the
looney bin for sure =)
You have to wonder...
Cheers
Ecke

2010/6/25 Bruce Walker :
> As many will know (especially Torontonians) a G20 conference is happening in
> the downtown core of Toronto this weekend. The whole place is a maze of fine
> mesh fencing, gangs of police are patrolling the ground, the airspace is
> restricted and filled with black helicopters. One radio announcer likened it
> to Beirut circa 1983.
>
> The police are armed with water cannons and brand new sound cannons bought
> especially for this outing. Of course, they're all nervous, pumped and just
> itching for the chance to take somebody out.
>
> Into the middle of this comes Wingnut McWhackjob ...
>
> "The grey-haired, bespectacled driver, 53, was hustled away by police after
> they stopped his silver, four-door Hyundai driving westbound on the
> Esplanade because it was topped with a homemade steel container.
> The metal storage box was riveted together and balanced on some foam [...]
>
> "Inside the car they found five blue and red fuel canisters, some only
> partially full, a half-empty bottle of coke, a bundle of arrows with red and
> yellow tips, as well as a large chainsaw, [a] homemade orange steel crossbow
> and a baseball bat.
>
> "Three medium-sized suitcases were found to be stuffed with batteries,
> scribbled notebooks, and a copy of “100 ways to Make Money on the Internet.”
>
> http://is.gd/d2IEN
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Re: OT - G8/G20 silly season

2010-06-24 Thread Joseph McAllister


On Jun 24, 2010, at 16:09 , Bruce Walker wrote:


Into the middle of this comes Wingnut McWhackjob ...

"The grey-haired, bespectacled driver, 53, was hustled away by  
police after they stopped his silver, four-door Hyundai driving  
westbound on the Esplanade because it was topped with a homemade  
steel container.
The metal storage box was riveted together and balanced on some foam  
[...]


"Inside the car they found five blue and red fuel canisters, some  
only partially full, a half-empty bottle of coke, a bundle of arrows  
with red and yellow tips, as well as a large chainsaw, [a] homemade  
orange steel crossbow and a baseball bat.


"Three medium-sized suitcases were found to be stuffed with  
batteries, scribbled notebooks, and a copy of “100 ways to Make  
Money on the Internet.”


http://is.gd/d2IEN




Can't a man practice his hobbies in peace anymore?

Down with the jackboots!

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PESO - Lone Protester

I wasn't in the downtown core much today and when I was I didn't have
time to take photos.  Didn't see much worth taking pix of anyway.  In
fact, this lone protester was the only one I saw.  Other than that,
lots of cops walking about in large groups, riding horsies and bikes -
you know, show of power and all...

Anyway, whatever this guy and his sign were about, the cop in the
background seems amusingly unconcerned:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/06/lone-protester.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

Tomorrow should be very slow as lots of businesses will be closed for
the day, and lots more protesters and cops should be around, so
hopefully lots of pix.

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Re: PESO: Zion Afternoon

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Ran across a strip of 120 that had fallen back of a bureau in the bedroom.
> Glassed it on the lightbox and decided to have it scanned.
> It was one that had been rejected (by me) some years ago..pre PS.
> Sun angle flattens some of the darker distant elements, but by pumping the 
> sun struck and adjacent areas brings it back a little, so am somewhat torn as 
> to its worth.
>
> Your opinions sought. Thanks!
>
> Jack
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=521
>
> Mamiya 6, 50mm L (sold few years ago), FUJI RDP III

Gorgeous!

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OT: so how do you tell Google their maps have a town in the wrong place?



So I have finally started to transcribe about 20 tapes from my auto trip 
across the country in 2001  - started in October of that year...
And I'm enjoying coordinating my verbal notes with a map  for the 
most part, checking out the maps on line ...


I come to a place in the tape where I have just gotten on to route 224 
from route 71 in Ohio somewhat west of Akron...
and I say "So I see a sign that says I'm one mile from Lodi... "  I stop 
the tape, go to google and type in Lodi Ohio... and
see that they put that little pin on the border of Ohio and West VA...  

Iknow that can't be, because I would ahve been going east if that were 
the case... not to mention I was farther north...
My print rand McNally has Lodi very close  to where my notes tell me I 
should be...


So I go to MAPQUEST  and it shows two Lodi's  ... one in the correct 
spot and one in the "faux' spot that the google map showed.


seriously -- IS there a place you can go to and say  hey guys,  ya got 
this wrong...?


ann



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Re: PESO: Asymetrical Finch

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Plinking from the patio chaise again. They always seem so fastidiously proper 
> and together, but this made me grin.
>
> Jack
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=523

Har!

A different perspective to be sure.  Love the compositional element
that the iron ring ads.

Lovely shot!

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Re: Peso - another stab at fireflies

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:15 PM, P N Stenquist  wrote:
> Another great firefly show last night, and I again tried to capture it on
> pixels, perhaps with a bit more success. I've found that without letting the
> background go almost black, I get nothing. Of course, it's not much of a
> picture if you can't see some of the environment, so black and midrange work
> in post is necessary.
>
> I'm shooting from about 50 feet away with a 60mm focal length to compress it
> all, while avoiding a need for critical focus. Note that the fireflies which
> move faster while lit have long trails. I believe it's also a function of
> how close to camera they are. I think that guy at top right was only about
> 15 feet away.
>
> Exposure was f 13, 30 seconds, ISO 320.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11174831&size=lg

A hundred years ago you could have called it "evidence of fairies" or
"forest nymphs at night" or something like that.

Pretty cool stuff!

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Re: OT: so how do you tell Google their maps have a town in the wrong place?

could it be a mix-up with Lodi Township, Athens County, Ohio? would
that fit your description?

2010/6/25 Ann Sanfedele :
>
> So I have finally started to transcribe about 20 tapes from my auto trip
> across the country in 2001  - started in October of that year...
> And I'm enjoying coordinating my verbal notes with a map  for the most
> part, checking out the maps on line ...
>
> I come to a place in the tape where I have just gotten on to route 224 from
> route 71 in Ohio somewhat west of Akron...
> and I say "So I see a sign that says I'm one mile from Lodi... "  I stop the
> tape, go to google and type in Lodi Ohio... and
> see that they put that little pin on the border of Ohio and West VA...
> Iknow that can't be, because I would ahve been going east if that were the
> case... not to mention I was farther north...
> My print rand McNally has Lodi very close  to where my notes tell me I
> should be...
>
> So I go to MAPQUEST  and it shows two Lodi's  ... one in the correct spot
> and one in the "faux' spot that the google map showed.
>
> seriously -- IS there a place you can go to and say  hey guys,  ya got this
> wrong...?
>
> ann
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Re: OT: so how do you tell Google their maps have a town in the wrong place?

2010-06-24 Thread steve harley


On 2010-06-24 18:42 , Ann Sanfedele wrote:


seriously -- IS there a place you can go to and say hey guys, ya got
this wrong...?


yes, there is a "report a  problem" link at the bottom of every map ;?>

what's odd is if i ask for "lodi, oh" the first time, it's wrong as you 
noted, if i then try "route 224 & route 71, ohio" it gets the right 
area, and a subsequent retry of "lodi, oh" gets it right


Google Maps has a lot of serious mistakes; you can have a lot of fun 
googling "errors on google maps" ... supposedly it's going through a big 
revamp over the next few months to clean it up ...


Bing Maps gets it right, btw:



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Re: OT: so how do you tell Google their maps have a town in the wrong place?

2010-06-24 Thread Charles Robinson

On Jun 24, 2010, at 19:46, eckinator wrote:

> could it be a mix-up with Lodi Township, Athens County, Ohio? would
> that fit your description?
> 

There appear to be two according to Mapquest, which finds BOTH of them and asks 
you to choose which one..  Fascinating.  

The "wrong" one is in Monroe County, but when you go there there really isn't a 
city there.

Bing.com/maps finds only the "right one" (actually, the only one) in Medina 
county.

maps.yahoo.com finds only the right location - and very quickly (surprising - 
I'd forgotten that Yahoo! even DID mapping).

Google maps defaults to the wrong location without giving you a choice.  BUT: 
if you "find" Akron, OH first... scroll left so that you can actually SEE Lodi 
(just a few miles W of 71 and 224) and THEN do a search for Lodi, OH it 
correctly places its one search result smack dab in the middle of the town.

Very odd!

Anyways - to answer your question, on maps.google.com, there is a link in the 
lower-right corner of the screen which is labeled REPORT A PROBLEM and I guess 
that's what you want to do.

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Re: OT: so how do you tell Google their maps have a town in the wrong place?

2010-06-24 Thread Doug Brewer


Ann Sanfedele wrote:


So I have finally started to transcribe about 20 tapes from my auto trip 
across the country in 2001  - started in October of that year...
And I'm enjoying coordinating my verbal notes with a map  for the 
most part, checking out the maps on line ...


I come to a place in the tape where I have just gotten on to route 224 
from route 71 in Ohio somewhat west of Akron...
and I say "So I see a sign that says I'm one mile from Lodi... "  I stop 
the tape, go to google and type in Lodi Ohio... and
see that they put that little pin on the border of Ohio and West VA... 
Iknow that can't be, because I would ahve been going east if that were 
the case... not to mention I was farther north...
My print rand McNally has Lodi very close  to where my notes tell me I 
should be...


So I go to MAPQUEST  and it shows two Lodi's  ... one in the correct 
spot and one in the "faux' spot that the google map showed.


seriously -- IS there a place you can go to and say  hey guys,  ya got 
this wrong...?


ann





are you saying the pin should be stuck in Lodi again?

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Re: OT: so how do you tell Google their maps have a town in the wrongplace?

2010-06-24 Thread William Robb



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are you saying the pin should be stuck in Lodi again?



This has the potential to be the mother lodi of all pun threads.

William Robb 



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Re: OT: so how do you tell Google their maps have a town in the wrong place?

Thanks to all for the replies
Don't know why I didn't notice the "report a problem" thing --
wait yes I do -- it's TINY... :-)

I'm hopping right to it

ann

Charles Robinson wrote:

On Jun 24, 2010, at 19:46, eckinator wrote:

could it be a mix-up with Lodi Township, Athens County, Ohio? would
that fit your description?

There appear to be two according to Mapquest, which finds BOTH of them and asks you to choose which one.. Fascinating.

The "wrong" one is in Monroe County, but when you go there there really isn't a
city there.

Bing.com/maps finds only the "right one" (actually, the only one) in Medina
county.

maps.yahoo.com finds only the right location - and very quickly (surprising -
I'd forgotten that Yahoo! even DID mapping).

Google maps defaults to the wrong location without giving you a choice. BUT: if you
"find" Akron, OH first... scroll left so that you can actually SEE Lodi (just a
few miles W of 71 and 224) and THEN do a search for Lodi, OH it correctly places its one
search result smack dab in the middle of the town.

Very odd!

Anyways - to answer your question, on maps.google.com, there is a link in the
lower-right corner of the screen which is labeled REPORT A PROBLEM and I guess
that's what you want to do.

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Re: K20D

I'm not a statistician, but I spend lots of professional time with statistics, 
and there are two things to note about these data:

1. The numbers of subjects (cameras) are very small, especially for the K20D;

2. This is nothing approaching a random sample of cameras, and one can only 
guess what the biases are;

3. Past 49,000 clicks on the K10D, the numbers are so small that the curves are 
very "unstable"--which is to say that one failure (or survival) has a 
disproportionate effect.  The K20D numbers are so pathetic as to be completely 
meaningless.

In short, crap.

Rick

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> all we need is
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> Also I
> agree with Paul about a showcase queen; shutters need to be
> exercised
> so next to nothing may be suspicious, too.
> Happy shopping
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Re: PESO: Knight and Fair Maiden

That is an excellent, fun improptu shot.

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> Subject: PESO: Knight and Fair Maiden
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Sunday, June 20, 2010, 12:04 PM
> Friday night our Rotary Club visited
> the local minor league baseball
> park.  Also there was the Scarlet Knight, the mascot
> of the sports
> teams of Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey. 
> Here is the
> knight and one of his many fans:
> 
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Re: PESO - Peek into the Valley

It's unusual to see the valley and the falls together.  I kinda wish the river 
didn't run right up the middle of the frame, though.

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> From: Bruce Dayton 
> Subject: PESO - Peek into the Valley
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2010, 7:14 PM
> View of the entrance to Yosemite
> Valley - the Merced River is winding
> along and you can see Bridal Veil Falls in the distance.
> 
> Pentax K-x, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 55mm
> ISO 1600, 1/2500 sec @ f/10
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/imgp6421-1.htm
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Re: PESO - Lone Protester

Terrific composition. The "protester" appears uncertain as to the form of his 
next indignant demonstration.

Jack 

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> Subject: PESO - Lone Protester
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> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 4:41 PM
> I wasn't in the downtown core much
> today and when I was I didn't have
> time to take photos.  Didn't see much worth taking pix
> of anyway.  In
> fact, this lone protester was the only one I saw. 
> Other than that,
> lots of cops walking about in large groups, riding horsies
> and bikes -
> you know, show of power and all...
> 
> Anyway, whatever this guy and his sign were about, the cop
> in the
> background seems amusingly unconcerned:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/06/lone-protester.html
> 
> Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
> 
> Tomorrow should be very slow as lots of businesses will be
> closed for
> the day, and lots more protesters and cops should be
> around, so
> hopefully lots of pix.
> 
> cheers,
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Re: PESO: Zion Afternoon

Valued remark, Frank!

Jack

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> Subject: Re: PESO: Zion Afternoon
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 5:38 PM
> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Jack
> Davis 
> wrote:
> > Ran across a strip of 120 that had fallen back of a
> bureau in the bedroom.
> > Glassed it on the lightbox and decided to have it
> scanned.
> > It was one that had been rejected (by me) some years
> ago..pre PS.
> > Sun angle flattens some of the darker distant
> elements, but by pumping the sun struck and adjacent areas
> brings it back a little, so am somewhat torn as to its
> worth.
> >
> > Your opinions sought. Thanks!
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=521
> >
> > Mamiya 6, 50mm L (sold few years ago), FUJI RDP III
> 
> Gorgeous!
> 
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Re: PESO: Asymetrical Finch

Thanks, Frank! He looks a lot like I feel first thing in the AM.

Jack


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> Subject: Re: PESO: Asymetrical Finch
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> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 5:40 PM
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Jack
> Davis 
> wrote:
> > Plinking from the patio chaise again. They always seem
> so fastidiously proper and together, but this made me grin.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=523
> 
> Har!
> 
> A different perspective to be sure.  Love the
> compositional element
> that the iron ring ads.
> 
> Lovely shot!
> 
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Re: OT: so how do you tell Google their maps have a town in the wrongplace?

2010-06-24 Thread John Mullan

The way things are in Ohio, there are often two or more places with the same 
name. If I remember correctly there are three Oakwoods.

jm

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So I have finally started to transcribe about 20 tapes from my auto trip 
across the country in 2001  - started in October of that year...
And I'm enjoying coordinating my verbal notes with a map  for the most 
part, checking out the maps on line ...

I come to a place in the tape where I have just gotten on to route 224 
from route 71 in Ohio somewhat west of Akron...
and I say "So I see a sign that says I'm one mile from Lodi... "  I stop 
the tape, go to google and type in Lodi Ohio... and

see that they put that little pin on the border of Ohio and West VA...
Iknow that can't be, because I would ahve been going east if that were the 
case... not to mention I was farther north...
My print rand McNally has Lodi very close  to where my notes tell me I 
should be...

So I go to MAPQUEST  and it shows two Lodi's  ... one in the correct spot 
and one in the "faux' spot that the google map showed.

seriously -- IS there a place you can go to and say  hey guys,  ya got 
this wrong...?

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Re: K20D

2010-06-24 Thread drd1135

Yeah, but Congress would still base national policy on it. 
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From: Rick Womer 
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Subject: Re: K20D

I'm not a statistician, but I spend lots of professional time with statistics, 
and there are two things to note about these data:

1. The numbers of subjects (cameras) are very small, especially for the K20D;

2. This is nothing approaching a random sample of cameras, and one can only 
guess what the biases are;

3. Past 49,000 clicks on the K10D, the numbers are so small that the curves are 
very "unstable"--which is to say that one failure (or survival) has a 
disproportionate effect.  The K20D numbers are so pathetic as to be completely 
meaningless.

In short, crap.

Rick

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> Here's data for the K10D
> http://olegkikin.com/shutterlife/pentax_k10d.htm - now
> all we need is
> a master Pentaxian to let us know if shutters are the same.
> Also I
> agree with Paul about a showcase queen; shutters need to be
> exercised
> so next to nothing may be suspicious, too.
> Happy shopping
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> >
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Re: OT - G8/G20 silly season


The takeaway quote...

“From the investigation at this point there is no suggestion this is 
related to the G20 summit,”


In which case you just have to ask about the article, *and* *your* *pouint?*


On 6/24/2010 7:09 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
As many will know (especially Torontonians) a G20 conference is 
happening in the downtown core of Toronto this weekend. The whole 
place is a maze of fine mesh fencing, gangs of police are patrolling 
the ground, the airspace is restricted and filled with black 
helicopters. One radio announcer likened it to Beirut circa 1983.


The police are armed with water cannons and brand new sound cannons 
bought especially for this outing. Of course, they're all nervous, 
pumped and just itching for the chance to take somebody out.


Into the middle of this comes Wingnut McWhackjob ...

"The grey-haired, bespectacled driver, 53, was hustled away by police 
after they stopped his silver, four-door Hyundai driving westbound on 
the Esplanade because it was topped with a homemade steel container.
The metal storage box was riveted together and balanced on some foam 
[...]


"Inside the car they found five blue and red fuel canisters, some only 
partially full, a half-empty bottle of coke, a bundle of arrows with 
red and yellow tips, as well as a large chainsaw, [a] homemade orange 
steel crossbow and a baseball bat.


"Three medium-sized suitcases were found to be stuffed with batteries, 
scribbled notebooks, and a copy of “100 ways to Make Money on the 
Internet.”


http://is.gd/d2IEN

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Re: PESO - Peek into the Valley

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Bruce Dayton  wrote:
> View of the entrance to Yosemite Valley - the Merced River is winding
> along and you can see Bridal Veil Falls in the distance.
>
> Pentax K-x, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 55mm
> ISO 1600, 1/2500 sec @ f/10
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/imgp6421-1.htm
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That's a beautiful photograph!

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Re: PESO: Knight and Fair Maiden

On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
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> Friday night our Rotary Club visited the local minor league baseball
> park.  Also there was the Scarlet Knight, the mascot of the sports
> teams of Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey.  Here is the
> knight and one of his many fans:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11157130
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> Comments, Suggestions, Criticisms, Advice and Abuse all Welcome.

Har!

What a fun photo!

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Re: K20D


On a 100,000 actuation shutter not particularly.

On 6/24/2010 6:04 PM, Eric Weir wrote:

There's a K20D with a DA 28-55 DA lens for sale on eBay. Is a shutter count of 
26000 high?

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Re: OT: so how do you tell Google their maps have a town in the wrong place?




Doug Brewer wrote:


Ann Sanfedele wrote:



So I have finally started to transcribe about 20 tapes from my auto 
trip across the country in 2001  - started in October of that year...
And I'm enjoying coordinating my verbal notes with a map  for the 
most part, checking out the maps on line ...


I come to a place in the tape where I have just gotten on to route 
224 from route 71 in Ohio somewhat west of Akron...
and I say "So I see a sign that says I'm one mile from Lodi... "  I 
stop the tape, go to google and type in Lodi Ohio... and
see that they put that little pin on the border of Ohio and West 
VA... Iknow that can't be, because I would ahve been going east if 
that were the case... not to mention I was farther north...
My print rand McNally has Lodi very close  to where my notes tell me 
I should be...


So I go to MAPQUEST  and it shows two Lodi's  ... one in the correct 
spot and one in the "faux' spot that the google map showed.


seriously -- IS there a place you can go to and say  hey guys,  ya 
got this wrong...?


ann

are you saying the pin should be stuck in Lodi again? 



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Re: PESO: Ferry Emmalisa

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 8:38 PM,   wrote:
>
> One of Hobarts's older harbor ferries heading to the dock.
>
> K10D  Vivitar Series 1  35-85 f2.8 Varifocal lens. This is one of their
> Classic Series 1 lens from the 1970s. This one is screw mount but works
> fine on Av setting on Pentax DSLRs.
>
> http://philnortheast.com/aviewfinderdarkly/general/potw/Emmalisa.htm
>

I've got that lens!  Used it far more for film than on my *istD - the
range just isn't that large for how big and heavy the lens is.  I
guess real glass and metal do that to ya.  Fast is nice and all, but
now that I can switch ISOs "on the fly" the price for such weight
isn't worth it.  Still a worthwhile lens for low-light shooting where
a flash won't do.

But I digress...

Nice shot.  Colours really stand out.  That's a small ferry, isn't it?

cheers,
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Re: PESO: Zion Watchman

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Less "dramatic" lighting, but more "National Park" worthy Zion shot.
> I'll be back and make the effort again one day.
>
>
> Jack
>
> ME Super, Pentax 28mm (f/2.8 I think), Ectar 25
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=522

Love the colours.  Another winner, Jack!

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Re: Peso - another stab at fireflies

Thanks Frank. Grace has told me that they are indeed fairies.
Paul
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> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:15 PM, P N Stenquist  
> wrote:
>> Another great firefly show last night, and I again tried to capture it on
>> pixels, perhaps with a bit more success. I've found that without letting the
>> background go almost black, I get nothing. Of course, it's not much of a
>> picture if you can't see some of the environment, so black and midrange work
>> in post is necessary.
>> 
>> I'm shooting from about 50 feet away with a 60mm focal length to compress it
>> all, while avoiding a need for critical focus. Note that the fireflies which
>> move faster while lit have long trails. I believe it's also a function of
>> how close to camera they are. I think that guy at top right was only about
>> 15 feet away.
>> 
>> Exposure was f 13, 30 seconds, ISO 320.
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11174831&size=lg
> 
> A hundred years ago you could have called it "evidence of fairies" or
> "forest nymphs at night" or something like that.
> 
> Pretty cool stuff!
> 
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> frank
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Re: PESO: A Road Less Traveled

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 7:38 AM, CheekyGeek  wrote:
> http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1088/4722534814_6d3cdb582a_b.jpg


Spectacular!

And beautiful.

Spectacular and beautiful.

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Re: OT: so how do you tell Google their maps have a town in the wrongplace?




John Mullan wrote:

The way things are in Ohio, there are often two or more places with 
the same name. If I remember correctly there are three Oakwoods.


jm 


might be true -  but in this case , google was just wrong...

I actually  tried to  report the problem but the mechanism for doing 
it didn't work


I now release the thread to the punsters...
ann






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So I have finally started to transcribe about 20 tapes from my auto 
trip across the country in 2001  - started in October of that year...
And I'm enjoying coordinating my verbal notes with a map  for the 
most part, checking out the maps on line ...


I come to a place in the tape where I have just gotten on to route 
224 from route 71 in Ohio somewhat west of Akron...
and I say "So I see a sign that says I'm one mile from Lodi... "  I 
stop the tape, go to google and type in Lodi Ohio... and

see that they put that little pin on the border of Ohio and West VA...
Iknow that can't be, because I would ahve been going east if that 
were the case... not to mention I was farther north...
My print rand McNally has Lodi very close  to where my notes tell me 
I should be...


So I go to MAPQUEST  and it shows two Lodi's  ... one in the correct 
spot and one in the "faux' spot that the google map showed.


seriously -- IS there a place you can go to and say  hey guys,  ya 
got this wrong...?


ann



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Re: PESO: A Road Less Traveled

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Stan Halpin
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> Superb! This would make a great book cover. PDML 2011?

I gotta agree with you there, Stan.  It'll take on hell of a shot to
knock this one off the cover.

So far this gets my vote, too.

cheers,
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Re: PESO -- Prayer Service at St. Michael s

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:21 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> Michael's, (known as St. Michael's to some of it's intimates for some awful
> reason), is a real dive, the kind of place you go to drink swill and pick up
> a case of herpes, or worse, for Twenty bucks, maybe get into a fight on a
> Friday or Saturday night.
>
> Needless to say, it's a great place to photograph, the underbelly of the
> human condition.  These young ladies were praying at it's alter last night.
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20%20prayerserviceatstmichaels.html
>
> Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds w/smc Pentax M 40mm f2.8.
>
> As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

Wow, great shot!

You were only there for photographic purposes I assume?

;-)

BTW, love the rendering.

cheers,
frank

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Re: OT: so how do you tell Google their maps have a town in the wrongplace?

2010-06-24 Thread Mark Roberts

William Robb wrote:

>From: "Doug Brewer"
>>
>> are you saying the pin should be stuck in Lodi again?
>
>This has the potential to be the mother lodi of all pun threads.

I don't give any credence to that theory.


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Re: OT: so how do you tell Google their maps have a town in thewrongplace?

2010-06-24 Thread drd1135

yeah. It's just a lodi of crap. 
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William Robb wrote:

>From: "Doug Brewer"
>>
>> are you saying the pin should be stuck in Lodi again?
>
>This has the potential to be the mother lodi of all pun threads.

I don't give any credence to that theory.


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Re: PESO -- Prayer Service at St. Michael s