RE: GESO - Graduation

2010-06-29 Thread Chris Mitchell
Rick Womer wrote:
 My son and his girlfriend (Emem) graduated from the University of
 Rochester last month (he had his first job interview today).  Here are
 some of my photos from the day:
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=971871
 
 Rick
 
Good set Rick and congrats to all. Good to see you're looking after the lens
hood:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11172246size=md

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Re: GESO - Graduation

2010-06-29 Thread Boris Liberman

Congratulations!

Reminds me of the similar day I had in my life some years ago. Fond 
memories they are, fond indeed.


Boris


On 6/29/2010 3:51 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

My son and his girlfriend (Emem) graduated from the University of
Rochester last month (he had his first job interview today).  Here
are some of my photos from the day:

http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=971871

Rick


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Re: PESO: Tiny Dancer

2010-06-29 Thread Boris Liberman

On 6/29/2010 4:59 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:

paul stenquist wrote:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11196653



that's a winner, Paul. well done.



I can easily second that.

Boris


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Re: PESO: Small landscape

2010-06-29 Thread Boris Liberman
Tastefully done, Master William. I couldn't possibly tell it was HDR 
lest you have written that in so explicit a manner ;-).


Boris

On 6/27/2010 10:39 PM, William Robb wrote:

I shot this back in 2008 and just rediscovered it.
This is an HDR of 4 images.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/notsonew/hdrshroom.html

Pentax K20, A 100mm Macro.
I don`t know the rest.
Enjoy

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Re: PESO: St. Anthony Falls by Night

2010-06-29 Thread Boris Liberman
Charles, I am thinking that darkening the skies some in post for the 
shot with the lightning in it would make it considerably more dramatic 
and thus involving the viewer so much more.


Boris

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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
http://eckinator.posterous.com for now =)
cheers
ecke

2010/6/28 John Celio n...@neovenator.com:
 Traffic's been kinda slow lately, so I figure now is the time to post
 something like this:

 If you've got a photoblog, post your blog's URL and RSS feed URL (if you
 have one).  Feel free to describe what you post or other info, but keep
 it brief.

 Feed URL would be preferable, I think, because keeping up with blogs is
 so much easier with an RSS Reader (I use Google Reader, but there are
 other options out there).

 To start things off, here's mine:

 Blog: http://blog.neovenator.com (mirrored at
 http://neovenator.livejournal.com)
 RSS: http://feeds.feedburner.com/neovenator/BxVy
 Details: I post one photo every weekday, and I try to keep text to a
 minimum.


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Re: starting my own posterous

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
2010/6/28 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
 Cool!

 I'll add you to my bloglist on blogger...

Spasibo, gospodin Liberman =)
And I'll add another post so it no longer says Yeah, like Fook Yew
tew, meawn on your homepage... ROFL
Cheers
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Re: PESO: Tiny Dancer

2010-06-29 Thread Derby Chang

paul stenquist wrote:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11196653

  


Very sweet, especially, the affectionate balloon

Hold me closer, Tony Danza.

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Re: GESO - Graduation

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
Congratulations to them both (and to proud dad, too of course). And
good of you to give your family good photos to remember the event =)
But I have to admit I always thought Eminem was a guy and rather pale
]=) (duck  run)
Cheers
Ecke

2010/6/29 Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com:
 My son and his girlfriend (Emem) graduated from the University of Rochester 
 last month (he had his first job interview today).  Here are some of my 
 photos from the day:

 http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=971871

 Rick






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Re: starting my own posterous

2010-06-29 Thread Boris Liberman
You appear to have answered on list to another message of mine that I've 
sent you off list... Which is fine. I see no connection with the 
expletives however...


Boris


On 6/29/2010 12:10 PM, eckinator wrote:

2010/6/28 Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com:

Cool!

I'll add you to my bloglist on blogger...


Spasibo, gospodin Liberman =)
And I'll add another post so it no longer says Yeah, like Fook Yew
tew, meawn on your homepage... ROFL
Cheers
Ecke




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Re: starting my own posterous

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
2010/6/29 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
 You appear to have answered on list to another message of mine that I've
 sent you off list... Which is fine. I see no connection with the expletives
 however...

If you look on your homepage in the list of blogs, it posts the
headline of the first post of my posterous which is said expletive =)
Sorry about the misunderstanding
Ecke

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Re: starting my own posterous

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
2010/6/29 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
 You appear to have answered on list to another message of mine that I've
 sent you off list... Which is fine. I see no connection with the expletives
 however...

Well it's gone now and so is your chance to see it w/o looking at my
posterous =)
TTYL
Ecke

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Re: starting my own posterous

2010-06-29 Thread Boris Liberman

Oh, I see now... Misunderstanding indeed.

Boris

On 6/29/2010 1:33 PM, eckinator wrote:

2010/6/29 Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com:

You appear to have answered on list to another message of mine that I've
sent you off list... Which is fine. I see no connection with the expletives
however...


If you look on your homepage in the list of blogs, it posts the
headline of the first post of my posterous which is said expletive =)
Sorry about the misunderstanding
Ecke




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OT funny web site

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
www.engrish.com
Enjoy
Ecke

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Re: peso - young Pentxian

2010-06-29 Thread Boris Liberman

Excellent!

Boris

On 6/25/2010 4:34 PM, Sasha Sobol wrote:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/4729565284/

Comments welcome!

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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Problem

2010-06-29 Thread Rick Womer
It can be hard to keep up with the PDML.  How is one supposed to check each of 
umpteen photo blogs every day to see if they've been updated?

Ecke has some great shots up that have never been PESOs.  Under normal 
circumstances I would have missed them completely.

How does one share comments with others, let alone have a discussion?

I think Godfrey has done it well, by posting photoblog entries as PESOs.  I 
hope others do the same.

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


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 From: John Celio n...@neovenator.com
 Subject: Feed Us Your Photoblog
 To: PDML@pdml.net
 Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 3:32 PM
 Traffic's been kinda slow lately, so
 I figure now is the time to post
 something like this:
 
 If you've got a photoblog, post your blog's URL and RSS
 feed URL (if you
 have one).  Feel free to describe what you post or
 other info, but keep
 it brief.
 
 Feed URL would be preferable, I think, because keeping up
 with blogs is
 so much easier with an RSS Reader (I use Google Reader, but
 there are
 other options out there).
 
 To start things off, here's mine:
 
 Blog: http://blog.neovenator.com (mirrored at
 http://neovenator.livejournal.com)
 RSS: http://feeds.feedburner.com/neovenator/BxVy
 Details: I post one photo every weekday, and I try to keep
 text to a
 minimum.
 
 
 John
 
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Problem

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
2010/6/29 Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com:

 Ecke has some great shots up that have never been PESOs.  Under normal 
 circumstances I would have missed them completely.

Thank you Rick, I'll post everything once I get the hang of posterous
and once I'm comfortable with my selections.
Cheers
Ecke

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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Problem

2010-06-29 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 It can be hard to keep up with the PDML.  How is one supposed to check each 
 of umpteen
 photo blogs every day to see if they've been updated?

With an RSS reader.  I currently have 679 subscribed feeds in Google Reader.

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Re: PESO: Tiny Dancer

2010-06-29 Thread Madame RD

Le 29/06/10 02:40, paul stenquist a écrit :

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11196653

   

Fan- tas- tic ! wish it were mine ...; )))
dominique



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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Problem

2010-06-29 Thread Bob Sullivan
679 feeds?  Isn't list traffic bad enough?  :-)
Regards, Bob S.

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 It can be hard to keep up with the PDML.  How is one supposed to check each 
 of umpteen
 photo blogs every day to see if they've been updated?

 With an RSS reader.  I currently have 679 subscribed feeds in Google Reader.

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Re: PESO: Small landscape

2010-06-29 Thread Doug Brewer

William Robb wrote:

I shot this back in 2008 and just rediscovered it.
This is an HDR of 4 images.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/notsonew/hdrshroom.html

Pentax K20, A 100mm Macro.
I don`t know the rest.
Enjoy

William Robb


understated. Good job.

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Re: PESO: Tiny Dancer

2010-06-29 Thread Bob Sullivan
Beautiful picture Paul.
Grace will be jealous!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Madame RD romd...@orange.fr wrote:
 Le 29/06/10 02:40, paul stenquist a écrit :

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11196653



 Fan- tas- tic ! wish it were mine ...; )))
 dominique



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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog

2010-06-29 Thread Christine Nielsen
http://www.crapmanagement.com/

I post a daily photo- plus just a little blah,blah,blah - on my blog...

-c

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RE: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Problem

2010-06-29 Thread Malcolm Smith
 Matthew Hunt wrote:

  It can be hard to keep up with the PDML.  How is one supposed to
 check each of umpteen
  photo blogs every day to see if they've been updated?
 
 With an RSS reader.  I currently have 679 subscribed feeds in Google
 Reader.

I wondered the same thing as Rick. 

Your reply has left me feeling like Mel Smith in the 'Not The Nine O'Clock
News' sketch, where his character goes into to a shop to buy a gramophone.
I'm frightened to look this up on Google, in case it cross references this
with more terms I've never heard of. With the certain exception of cameras,
most of the stuff you heaved out twenty years ago is modern technology to
me.

Malcolm   


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Re: PESO: St. Anthony Falls by Night

2010-06-29 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jun 29, 2010, at 3:50, Boris Liberman wrote:

 Charles, I am thinking that darkening the skies some in post for the shot 
 with the lightning in it would make it considerably more dramatic and thus 
 involving the viewer so much more.
 

I agree - I'll see what more I can do.  I seem to recall I've already fiddled 
with it quite a bit to make the lightning stand out even as much as it already 
does.

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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Problem

2010-06-29 Thread P. J. Alling
It's for times when the list is slow.  Wouldn't want to be bored now 
would we?


On 6/29/2010 9:03 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

679 feeds?  Isn't list traffic bad enough?  :-)
Regards, Bob S.

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Matthew Huntm...@pobox.com  wrote:
   

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Rick Womerrwomer1...@yahoo.com  wrote:

 

It can be hard to keep up with the PDML.  How is one supposed to check each of 
umpteen
photo blogs every day to see if they've been updated?
   

With an RSS reader.  I currently have 679 subscribed feeds in Google Reader.

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Re: pdml exhibit update

2010-06-29 Thread Ken Waller
Thanks for the update Christine - you read my mind - I was wondering about 
this.


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net

Subject: pdml exhibit update



Hi Everyone:

I've received a few emails off list asking about the exhibit status.  I 
talked to Sue late last week and learned that she's been sick with a 
cold/cough/high fever--a few friends and colleagues have had the same 
thing--bit of a bug going around here.  Prior to that I think she was on 
vacation with her family.


Anyway, she said she would be taking the exhibit down soon and that she 
would be contacting everyone.  She said, I'm way behind on email.  All 
the photographs are safe in the gallery, and Sue should be contacting 
folks any day now.


I should have posted sooner about this, but I've been busy making a mess 
of a photo project I'm working on.  Anyway . . . that story is for another 
time.


Cheers, Christine



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MBOI - compenstion for photographer

2010-06-29 Thread Cotty
Might be of interest to some.

Two journalists, one a stills photographer, have received compensation
after being prevented from reporting during a demo in London in 2008...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jun/28/press-freedom-police-marc-vallee

I wasn't there, but in similar situations I tend film from a few feet
further back - police from any country don't like the lens right in
their faces. Mind you, I could do with three and a half grand so next
time I might go a bit closer

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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog

2010-06-29 Thread Adam Maas
http://www.mawz.ca
RSS is linked from there.

Always a photo, often some gear-related musings. It's mostly shot with
Minolta kit these days, but the glass is often Takumars.

-Adam

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 3:32 PM, John Celio n...@neovenator.com wrote:
 Traffic's been kinda slow lately, so I figure now is the time to post
 something like this:

 If you've got a photoblog, post your blog's URL and RSS feed URL (if you
 have one).  Feel free to describe what you post or other info, but keep
 it brief.

 Feed URL would be preferable, I think, because keeping up with blogs is
 so much easier with an RSS Reader (I use Google Reader, but there are
 other options out there).

 To start things off, here's mine:

 Blog: http://blog.neovenator.com (mirrored at
 http://neovenator.livejournal.com)
 RSS: http://feeds.feedburner.com/neovenator/BxVy
 Details: I post one photo every weekday, and I try to keep text to a
 minimum.


 John

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RE: Adobe LR3 slideshow and Youtube

2010-06-29 Thread Tanya Love
This is awesome, I didn't even realise that you *could* export the
slideshows now in LR3.  

Wow, this is going to really save me some work!  I am excited!

Thanks for drawing our attention to this!

Tan. :)

-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Igor
Roshchin
Sent: Tuesday, 29 June 2010 1:54 PM
To: PDML@pdml.net
Subject: FYI: Adobe LR3 slideshow and Youtube


Hi All,

I played with the slideshow in LR3. 
I encountered a problem that once the exported video is uploaded to Youtube,
the transitions (no matter how long they are, even if they are 0 seconds)
become bad: they become jerky, artifacts appear (colored rectangles), under
certain conditions the photos would be switching back in force several
times.
With all of that it was shown by VLC and QuickTime player just fine.

I found one workaround.
I saved it as 720p, then used VLC (the latest 1.0 version) to convert/save
it into the same mp4 format.
After that, the video was exhibiting problems in QuickTime player, but was
fine on Youtube.
The same done with 1080p was not as successful.

I thought I'd share this recipe, in case it would be useful to someone.

While this is less important, if you are curious, you can see what came out
of that excercise:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lJcGkg_Rgg
(If your connection allows, choose 720p, and see it full screen)

Igor


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PESO -- Madison First congregational Church Steeple

2010-06-29 Thread P. J. Alling
This was really a test shot to see if my A*300 was now up to snuff, 
unfortunately it wasn't.  The M*300 I tested against was however.


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20%20madcongchrstep.html

Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax M*300mm f4.0.

Notes: The A and M * 300mm f4.0 lenses are a bit soft wide open, but the 
files sharpen up nicely, when they work.  The A* is going back for more 
work.


As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

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K-AC50 AC adaptor

2010-06-29 Thread Barry Rice

Hey Folks,

Thanks for this information. It was really helpful

Barry

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Re: K-AC50 AC adaptor

2010-06-29 Thread P. J. Alling
But was it also expensive, because if it wasn't expensive we're not 
doing our job.


On 6/29/2010 10:59 AM, Barry Rice wrote:

Hey Folks,

Thanks for this information. It was really helpful

Barry

   



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OT - Dog

2010-06-29 Thread P. J. Alling
Twitter=on It's hot and muggy, why the hell does the dog want to be as 
close as possible TODAY!twitter=off


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RE: Lets fan the flames of 645 lust

2010-06-29 Thread Tanya Love
Me want one, baad!!!

Cool blog, gonna keep my eye on that one!

Tan. :)

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 Darn. And I was just getting ready to sell my 67 lenses. Wonder if the 
 leaf-shutter 165/4 would give me high-speed synch on the 645D. I'd 
 guess that the answer is yes.

Yeah, that really sukks. Now I can see a 645D in my future.

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Re: Lets fan the flames of 645 lust

2010-06-29 Thread P. J. Alling

What time is it in Australia 2 AM. You've got to get some sleep girl!

On 6/29/2010 11:30 AM, Tanya Love wrote:

Me want one, baad!!!

Cool blog, gonna keep my eye on that one!

Tan. :)

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Darn. And I was just getting ready to sell my 67 lenses. Wonder if the
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guess that the answer is yes.
 

Yeah, that really sukks. Now I can see a 645D in my future.

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Re: PESO -- Madison First congregational Church Steeple

2010-06-29 Thread Rick Womer
I like it.  Nicely framed.  More ornate than your average New England 
congregational church steeple.

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


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 Subject: PESO -- Madison First congregational Church Steeple
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 10:48 AM
 This was really a test shot to see if
 my A*300 was now up to snuff, unfortunately it wasn't. 
 The M*300 I tested against was however.
 
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20%20madcongchrstep.html
 
 Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax M*300mm f4.0.
 
 Notes: The A and M * 300mm f4.0 lenses are a bit soft wide
 open, but the files sharpen up nicely, when they work. 
 The A* is going back for more work.
 
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Problem

2010-06-29 Thread steve harley

On 2010-06-29 07:03 , Bob Sullivan wrote:

679 feeds?  Isn't list traffic bad enough?  :-)


i have a similar quantity in my newsreader; good software makes it 
possible to pick and choose what to read; i scan a lot of headlines in 
my reader, but read relatively few articles




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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Problem

2010-06-29 Thread steve harley

On 2010-06-29 06:16 , Rick Womer wrote:

How is one supposed to check each of umpteen photo blogs every day to see if 
they've been updated?


that's what a news reader is for; lots of people use Google Reader; i 
use free Mac software called NetNewsWire


it might be interesting to create a publicly aggregated collection of 
posts on PDML readers' blogs; trying to think of the lowest-effort way 
to do that ...



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Re: starting my own posterous

2010-06-29 Thread Jerry in Arizona
Nyeshista

Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:10:51 +0200
From: eckinator eckina...@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: starting my own posterous
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2010/6/28 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
 Cool!

 I'll add you to my bloglist on blogger...

Spasibo, gospodin Liberman =)
And I'll add another post so it no longer says Yeah, like Fook Yew
tew, meawn on your homepage... ROFL
Cheers
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Problem

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
i know posterous has an autopost feature that lets me push all my
posts to a lot of other sites as well as twitter
alternatively, there could just be a pdml-owned posterous/or any other
blog that supports this feature/ where active list members can be
added as contributors
cheers
ecke

2010/6/29 steve harley p...@paper-ape.com:
 On 2010-06-29 06:16 , Rick Womer wrote:

 How is one supposed to check each of umpteen photo blogs every day to see
 if they've been updated?

 that's what a news reader is for; lots of people use Google Reader; i use
 free Mac software called NetNewsWire

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 on PDML readers' blogs; trying to think of the lowest-effort way to do that
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Optio W60

2010-06-29 Thread Toine
Found a nice sample of the Optio W60. This little PS is annoyingly
good, sharp in the corners, very little CA and fringing and an
impressive zoom (28-140 mm 35mm eq)

http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/145-optio-w60

Tried several Optio's in the past and it was never what I really
wanted. This one could be it!

Toine

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Re: starting my own posterous

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
2010/6/29 Jerry in Arizona glewis4...@yahoo.com:

 Nyeshista

Is this Mr Beagle? Sorry but I don't catch that one
Cheers
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PESO cropping advice sought - Kuantan Mosque detail

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
http://tinyurl.com/EckeThump3
http://preview.tinyurl.com/EckeThump3
Your input is very much appreciated as I am rather unsure how
aggressively to crop here - right now I like the gentler crop better.
That one is also on my eckinator.posterous.com
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Problem

2010-06-29 Thread steve harley

On 2010-06-29 11:11 , eckinator wrote:

i know posterous has an autopost feature that lets me push all my
posts to a lot of other sites as well as twitter
alternatively, there could just be a pdml-owned posterous/or any other
blog that supports this feature/ where active list members can be
added as contributors


i could (relatively) easily roll out a simple Drupal site that 
aggregates posts from any subscriber's blog (not just Posterous), but i 
can't offer to host it, and i am looking for an even simpler approach


i thought maybe if i built a folder of PDML-related feeds (some not from 
this thread) and then published it with Google Reader, this would make a 
nice public page:


http://www.google.com/reader/public/atom/user%2F09693918770725424749%2Flabel%2Fcreative%20—%20pdml%20blogs

however it doesn't seem to sort by latest published; maybe its better 
when this page in turn is subscribed to by RSS (which i can't seem do, 
perhaps because my reader is in turn synced to Google Reader)


anyway, other ideas are welcome

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PESO - Serpentine

2010-06-29 Thread Tom C
With a Canon S90 in RAW mode, from 40,000 ft somewhere SE of Salt Lake
City over Utah

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11194040size=lg

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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Problem

2010-06-29 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:33 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:

 however it doesn't seem to sort by latest published; maybe its better when
 this page in turn is subscribed to by RSS (which i can't seem do, perhaps
 because my reader is in turn synced to Google Reader)

I subscribed to it in Google Reader and it looked like it was sorted
by photographer, not date.

I've tried a quick test using Yahoo Pipes, which seems like a good
tool for this.  It has 3 RSS sources for testing:  My own Flickr
photostream, and the photoblogs of John Celio and Mr. Eckinator.  The
three sources are combined with a union operator, sorted by
publication date, and sent to the output.

The pipe overview page is:

http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=a2521ccc1cd0ae6146b25b4cbbe1244d

The associated RSS feed is:

http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.run?_id=a2521ccc1cd0ae6146b25b4cbbe1244d_render=rss

For some reason, Google Reader is throwing an error when I try to
subscribe to the RSS feed.  IE's RSS previewer looks OK.  Not sure
what's going on.

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Re: PESO cropping advice sought - Kuantan Mosque detail

2010-06-29 Thread Jack Davis
If you're going to crop at all, the gentle version is my preference. I 
actually prefer the original uncropped image. Only thing I might do would be 
very slight crop to narrow the space between the tower on the left and the left 
edge. This would be to balance with the right edge. Also, I don't like 
splitting edge features if it can be avoided.

Jack

--- On Tue, 6/29/10, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: eckinator eckina...@gmail.com
 Subject: PESO  cropping advice sought - Kuantan Mosque detail
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 11:21 AM
 http://tinyurl.com/EckeThump3
 http://preview.tinyurl.com/EckeThump3
 Your input is very much appreciated as I am rather unsure
 how
 aggressively to crop here - right now I like the gentler
 crop better.
 That one is also on my eckinator.posterous.com
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Re: PESO - Serpentine

2010-06-29 Thread Jack Davis
Nice crop, Tom! Looks like an artfully done sewer. ;-)

Jack

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 Subject: PESO - Serpentine
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 11:48 AM
 With a Canon S90 in RAW mode, from
 40,000 ft somewhere SE of Salt Lake
 City over Utah
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11194040size=lg
 
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Re: PESO cropping advice sought - Kuantan Mosque detail

2010-06-29 Thread Madame RD

Le 29/06/10 20:59, Jack Davis a écrit :

Only thing I might do would be very slight crop to narrow the space between the 
tower on the left and the left edge

my opinion too . gentle crop is more graphic . love the colour .
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Re: OT - Dog

2010-06-29 Thread Madame RD

Le 29/06/10 17:12, P. J. Alling a écrit :


Twitter=on It's hot and muggy, why the hell does the dog want to be 
as close as possible TODAY!twitter=off



to soak the sweat with  his fur ...he's just being nice ...;))
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Problem

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
2010/6/29 Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com:

 I've tried a quick test using Yahoo Pipes, which seems like a good
 tool for this.  It has 3 RSS sources for testing:  My own Flickr
 photostream, and the photoblogs of John Celio and Mr. Eckinator.  The
 three sources are combined with a union operator, sorted by
 publication date, and sent to the output.

 The pipe overview page is:

 http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=a2521ccc1cd0ae6146b25b4cbbe1244d

 The associated RSS feed is:

 http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.run?_id=a2521ccc1cd0ae6146b25b4cbbe1244d_render=rss

 For some reason, Google Reader is throwing an error when I try to
 subscribe to the RSS feed.  IE's RSS previewer looks OK.  Not sure
 what's going on.

Not sure either but those lamb chops are giving me the munchies. I
think I'll go break out my toishi in preparation
Cheers
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Problem

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
Come to think of it this idea of having one PDML blog hub is even more
brilliant since you wouldn't have to be a member of all kinds of sites
and networks any more. I am not good at maintaining all of these
networks, I have a dead LinkedIn profile, a dead Xing profile, a dead
MySpace account, a facebook account used only to add people and find
them on the net if needed, a posterous because I like the absolute
ease of posting, four web domains I am not using, Picasa web albums
that are not open to the public, a fotocommunity premium membership
coupon that will probably expire some time soon and so on and so
forth... having all of this combined somewhere, somewho would probably
mean a huge relief to more than just yours truly...
cheers
ecke

2010/6/29 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com:
 2010/6/29 Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com:

 I've tried a quick test using Yahoo Pipes, which seems like a good
 tool for this.  It has 3 RSS sources for testing:  My own Flickr
 photostream, and the photoblogs of John Celio and Mr. Eckinator.  The
 three sources are combined with a union operator, sorted by
 publication date, and sent to the output.

 The pipe overview page is:

 http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=a2521ccc1cd0ae6146b25b4cbbe1244d

 The associated RSS feed is:

 http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.run?_id=a2521ccc1cd0ae6146b25b4cbbe1244d_render=rss

 For some reason, Google Reader is throwing an error when I try to
 subscribe to the RSS feed.  IE's RSS previewer looks OK.  Not sure
 what's going on.

 Not sure either but those lamb chops are giving me the munchies. I
 think I'll go break out my toishi in preparation
 Cheers
 Ecke


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Re: PESO cropping advice sought - Kuantan Mosque detail

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
2010/6/29 Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com:

 If you're going to crop at all, the gentle version is my preference. I 
 actually prefer the original uncropped image.

OK now you have me wondering - I found the car roof at the bottom and
the random bits of streetlight and facade on the left rather
distracting - do you not?
TIA Ecke

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Re: Noise with K7

2010-06-29 Thread 272yb
Well I am glad that my NOISE post is still alive. It is bad that Pentax did not 
make a better sensor for the K7. If they could do it in the KX, why not the K7. 
I guess the money issue (make more money with the K7 first and then bring out 
the KX and by this time most people have already bought the K7 and so now they 
will buy the KX.
I have been reading the posts about the noise with the K7, with my K7 even at 
100 iso, the noise is bad. Like I stated before that some of my photos were not 
used because of the noise. I have been fooling with Neat Image Pro and the 
noise filter in Photoshop and also the  noise filter by Topaz. Topaz takes the 
longest to filter the noise.. My results have been pretty good but like someone 
else on the list said this is just an extra step.
About buying Nikon gear, I do have a couple bodies but they are not new. The 
D1x is a very good body with very nice color and low noise. Also this body will 
sync at up to 500th of a second with any flash.
I guess if I did not have so much money in Pentax glass, I would switch maybe. 
I have shot with Pentax gear since about 1975. I have used the Pentax gear to 
photograph US Presidents, major league sports, NHRA and IHRA Drag racing. News 
events, Spot news and just about anything a photojournalist would shoot. Even 
when I worked for the newspaper, I used my Pentax gear instead of the company 
Nikon gear. I had better glass. When newspapers were switching to digital, 
first we had the big Kodak DCS/Nikon bodies. Since Pentax never released the 
first digital body that they showed at the camera shows, I was forced to use 
the Kodak DCS/Nikon bodies, Next we went to the Nikon D1 bodies which was 2.7 
Megs. It would shoot five frames per second and would sync at up to 500th. of a 
second, but color was always a killer, meant more time on the computer. At that 
time I bought some nikon gear and glass. But I still shot with my Pentax film 
bodies when I had the chance.
So in ending my longest post on the list, I do hope Pentax will bring out a 
nice killer body with very very good low light.

 
- Original Message -
From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
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Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 9:12:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: Noise with K7


On Jun 23, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

 On 24 June 2010 08:59, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 The Kx would definitely be better for low light applications. The k20 is 
 about the same as the K7. Any difference is splitting hairs.
 I shoot a lot of low light interiors. But it's not a problem if you shoot 
 off a tripod. I'd do that anyway, even with a Kx. It's the only way to shoot 
 interiors.
 
 Motion blur doesn't work so well with kids ;-)
 
She said she's shooting interiors, no mention of kids. If she's shooting kids 
in dimly lit interiors, she needs lights. No need to compromise in either case.
Paul
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RE: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread John Celio
 It can be hard to keep up with the PDML. How is one supposed
 to check each of umpteen photo blogs every day to see if
 they've been updated?

Rick, the whole idea of an RSS reader is to collect all the blogs (and
other frequently-updated sites) you read into one central location.  I
follow dozens of blogs, photoblogs, webcomics and other sites with RSS
feeds, and whenever they post something new it shows up in my Google
Reader (http://www.google.com/reader).  Most of each new post's content
shows up in my reader, too, but some blogs choose to have you click a
link to their actual site to see the new post.  Either way, I know
there's something new on all my favorite sites shortly after it's been
posted.

I don't post PESOs very often because I pretty much lurk here all the
time.  It doesn't seem fair to ask people for comments on my photos when
I almost never comment on anyone else's.  I thought this would be an
easy way to help people like me let others know that we do frequently
post photos, just not here so much.  I'm looking forward to adding all
the blogs people have posted and seeing what they share with the world.

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Re: PESO cropping advice sought - Kuantan Mosque detail

2010-06-29 Thread Jack Davis
I went back to my email and downloaded the tiny thumbnail original shot image. 
Upon enlarging it, sure enough, among the artifacts, I saw what could be a car 
roof line along with some other dark shapes. Couldn't make them out in the 
original.
Sure, crop off whatever you don't like. 
A reasonable image size would have helped greatly, Ecke. :)

Jack 

--- On Tue, 6/29/10, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: eckinator eckina...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: PESO  cropping advice sought - Kuantan Mosque detail
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 12:38 PM
 2010/6/29 Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com:
 
  If you're going to crop at all, the gentle version
 is my preference. I actually prefer the original uncropped
 image.
 
 OK now you have me wondering - I found the car roof at the
 bottom and
 the random bits of streetlight and facade on the left
 rather
 distracting - do you not?
 TIA Ecke
 
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Re: Any chance of selling to a car mag?

2010-06-29 Thread 272yb
Larry, Paul is correct in what he says. You will also need a tech sheet filled 
out by the owner and have him or her sign it, which also give the magazine 
permission to publish the photos. Also know as an release/tech form. I have if 
you need it. Magazines like Car craft, Hot Rod will have their own forms for 
you to use.
On my page there are two car features of mine, the links being:

http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=753552

http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=772282

These are the only two that I have online, but I do have a lot of others that I 
did not get around to putting up. Joe



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To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:07:29 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: Any chance of selling to a car mag?

Talk to the magazines first. Go to a bookstore and find some specialty mags 
that feature similar cars and query the editors. Show them the pics you took 
previously. You'll have a much better chance of selling the pics if you can 
write an article as well.

You'll want to shoot the cars in an open area in either very early morning or 
very late evening light. The backgrounds should be clean. Trees are okay, but 
its best if they are far enough from the cars that they'll be out of focus. 
Architectural backgrounds are okay, but you have to know how to work with them. 
Shooting the cars in the guys shop is almost certainly a no-sell. Check out the 
kind of photography the magazines you're querying feature.

Paul
On Jun 22, 2010, at 2:25 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

 Last October I ran across a very pretty, very custom '49 caddy in local 
 shopping center.
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622519370121/
 
 I have the opportunity to go to the owner/builder's shop and do another photo 
 shoot of the car (and his newer project).
 
 Is there any chance of selling the photos to a car magazine?  If so, what 
 sort of photos should I shoot to maximize  my chance of selling them?
 
   Larry
 
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Re: PESO - Serpentine

2010-06-29 Thread Bruce Dayton
Well, it certainly is desolate looking from the air.  Makes me want
to visit it from the ground!

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Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 11:48:56 AM, you wrote:

TC With a Canon S90 in RAW mode, from 40,000 ft somewhere SE of Salt Lake
TC City over Utah

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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
2010/6/29 John Celio n...@neovenator.com:

 I don't post PESOs very often because I pretty much lurk here all the
 time.  It doesn't seem fair to ask people for comments on my photos when
 I almost never comment on anyone else's.

This is something currently on my mind. I wrote this reply about ten
times and deleted it again. In a nutshell I would love for the
etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I
rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work but I do see an
enormous difference in the number of positive responses per image so
the going rule seems to be nihil nisi bene for most people and I
tend to do the same thing because of not wanting to step on any
toes... By the number of responses to my recent PESOs people were
mostly underwhelmed by them so it would help me a lot to know why...
My €0.02
Cheers
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Re: PESO cropping advice sought - Kuantan Mosque detail

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
2010/6/29 Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com:

 A reasonable image size would have helped greatly, Ecke. :)

Sorry Jack, I'll turn on the full size download option right away.
Cheers
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Problem

2010-06-29 Thread steve harley

On 2010-06-29 12:58 , Matthew Hunt wrote:

The pipe overview page is:

http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=a2521ccc1cd0ae6146b25b4cbbe1244d

The associated RSS feed is:

http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.run?_id=a2521ccc1cd0ae6146b25b4cbbe1244d_render=rss


good call on using Yahoo Pipes! i set a few up quite some time ago and 
then never came back ...


the sorting, and lack of ads, is good; i stuffed my whole (incomplete) 
list into a pipe and the result is pretty satisfying, except that the 
authors of each post are missing:


http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=f5929deb68fb2fdaf8d6fd401daceaec

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Re: MBOI - compenstion for photographer

2010-06-29 Thread David J Brooks
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote:
 Might be of interest to some.

 Two journalists, one a stills photographer, have received compensation
 after being prevented from reporting during a demo in London in 2008...

 http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jun/28/press-freedom-police-marc-vallee

 I wasn't there, but in similar situations I tend film from a few feet
 further back - police from any country don't like the lens right in
 their faces. Mind you, I could do with three and a half grand so next
 time I might go a bit closer

No zooms in England Cotty.??

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RE: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread Malcolm Smith
Hi Ecke,

 This is something currently on my mind. I wrote this reply about ten
 times and deleted it again. In a nutshell I would love for the
 etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I
 rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work but I do see an
 enormous difference in the number of positive responses per image so
 the going rule seems to be nihil nisi bene for most people and I
 tend to do the same thing because of not wanting to step on any
 toes... By the number of responses to my recent PESOs people were
 mostly underwhelmed by them so it would help me a lot to know why...
 My €0.02

It did happen at one time, again back in the days when Shel B used to post 
regularly. There were one or two 'heated discussions' and the more critical 
comments slowly subsided.

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Re: GESO - Graduation

2010-06-29 Thread David J Brooks
Lovely gallery Rick. Congrat's

Dave

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 My son and his girlfriend (Emem) graduated from the University of Rochester 
 last month (he had his first job interview today).  Here are some of my 
 photos from the day:

 http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=971871

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Re: PESO: Tiny Dancer

2010-06-29 Thread David J Brooks
That is a fantastic shot Paul. I agree with Mark, get a release.

Dave

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 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11196653

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Re: PESO: St. Anthony Falls by Night

2010-06-29 Thread David J Brooks
Really like these Charles. Bad weather does make for good photos.

Dave

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote:
 While waiting for my wife to get off of work a few nights ago, I decided to 
 take advantage of the weather-resistance of the ol' K7.  There was a 
 thunderstorm rolling through town at the time and it was raining like heck (a 
 lot of lightning).

 I grabbed the camera with the ultrapod-II tripod and went down to the edge 
 of the Mississippi to try and grab some lightning shots.

 45 minutes later, I was soaked to the skin and had some pretty stuff but only 
 one of the 80 frames had even a hint of lightning.  I SAW some cool flashes 
 but did not capture almost any with the camera.

 What slays me about these images is that you can't even tell it's raining.  
 Funny!  It was REALLY coming down.

 A pair that look kind of nice to my eye:

 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/IMGP2750.jpg

 (16mm, 8 seconds, f4.0, ISO 200)

 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/IMGP2755.jpg

 (16mm, 13 seconds, f7.1, ISO 200)

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Re: starting my own posterous

2010-06-29 Thread Jerry in Arizona
Nope, no Mr Beagle here.

Nyezishta (it is nothing) is a proper response to Spacibo (thank you), po 
Pycckuu.

My tansliteration may be rusty.


Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:15:35 +0200
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Subject: Re: starting my own posterous
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2010/6/29 Jerry in Arizona glewis4...@yahoo.com:

 Nyeshista

Is this Mr Beagle? Sorry but I don't catch that one
Cheers
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Re: Noise with K7

2010-06-29 Thread Adam Maas
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 3:39 PM,  27...@comcast.net wrote:
 Well I am glad that my NOISE post is still alive. It is bad that Pentax did 
 not make a better sensor for the K7. If they could do it in the KX, why not 
 the K7. I guess the money issue (make more money with the K7 first and then 
 bring out the KX and by this time most people have already bought the K7 and 
 so now they will buy the KX.


Pentax used a brand new sensor for the K-x, which Sony introduced
later (the A500 is the only other camera using the new 12MP part, it
was announced 3 weeks before the K-x but shipped 2 months afterwards).
The K-7 was announced 5 months earlier than the K-x when the two new
Sony sensors were not yet available and there's good reason to believe
the K-7's launch had been pushed back from PMA, some 8 months before
the K-x showed up. Nikon's D5000, released midway between the K-7 and
K-x even uses the older version of the K-x sensor and Nikon most
likely had first dibs on the part. Pentax could have used the older
Sony 12MP sensor that the K-x sensor was derived from, but then the
K-7's noise performance would have been about a stop worse than the
K-x anyways and it would have been a spec downgrade from the K20D.

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Re: starting my own posterous

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
2010/6/29 Jerry in Arizona glewis4...@yahoo.com:
 Nope, no Mr Beagle here.

 Nyezishta (it is nothing) is a proper response to Spacibo (thank you), po 
 Pycckuu.

 My tansliteration may be rusty.

Ooh, I see, it is the Russian pas de quoi but your spelling of
Pikachu is certainly even rustier yet *duckrun* ]=)
Cheers
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Problem

2010-06-29 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 5:16 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 It can be hard to keep up with the PDML.  How is one supposed to check each 
 of umpteen photo blogs every day to see if they've been updated?

 Ecke has some great shots up that have never been PESOs.  Under normal 
 circumstances I would have missed them completely.

 How does one share comments with others, let alone have a discussion?

 I think Godfrey has done it well, by posting photoblog entries as PESOs.  I 
 hope others do the same.

Thank you.

Trying to keep up with mailing lists, blogs, online magazines, etc,
for both personal and professional purposes, has become a large task
and a time sink. I find for myself that if I don't limit my
email/list/forum/etc interactions somewhat, I don't have time to get
any work done.

The tactic I've taken is to subscribe to a small number of blogs via
RSS feeds. If a blog does not have an RSS feed, I'll likely follow it
very little. I skim the RSS feeds on a daily basis and pick/choose
what I can afford the time to get involved with.

I can't track all the messages on the PDML by a long shot ... !
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
I hear you Malcolm, ty for letting me know. Too bad though...
Ecke

2010/6/29 Malcolm Smith malcolmsmi...@btinternet.com:
 Hi Ecke,

 This is something currently on my mind. I wrote this reply about ten
 times and deleted it again. In a nutshell I would love for the
 etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I
 rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work but I do see an
 enormous difference in the number of positive responses per image so
 the going rule seems to be nihil nisi bene for most people and I
 tend to do the same thing because of not wanting to step on any
 toes... By the number of responses to my recent PESOs people were
 mostly underwhelmed by them so it would help me a lot to know why...
 My €0.02

 It did happen at one time, again back in the days when Shel B used to post 
 regularly. There were one or two 'heated discussions' and the more critical 
 comments slowly subsided.

 Malcolm


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Re: PESO: St. Anthony Falls by Night

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
Not having read the other replies I think the images are lovely but
you may want to darken the sky somewhat. The water surfaces are sweet.
Thank you for sharing
Ecke

2010/6/28 Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com:
 While waiting for my wife to get off of work a few nights ago, I decided to 
 take advantage of the weather-resistance of the ol' K7.  There was a 
 thunderstorm rolling through town at the time and it was raining like heck (a 
 lot of lightning).

 I grabbed the camera with the ultrapod-II tripod and went down to the edge 
 of the Mississippi to try and grab some lightning shots.

 45 minutes later, I was soaked to the skin and had some pretty stuff but only 
 one of the 80 frames had even a hint of lightning.  I SAW some cool flashes 
 but did not capture almost any with the camera.

 What slays me about these images is that you can't even tell it's raining.  
 Funny!  It was REALLY coming down.

 A pair that look kind of nice to my eye:

 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/IMGP2750.jpg

 (16mm, 8 seconds, f4.0, ISO 200)

 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/IMGP2755.jpg

 (16mm, 13 seconds, f7.1, ISO 200)

  -Charles

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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Problem

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
Is falk lumo a lurker on this list?
i read the name a few times back during the k-7 discussions but don't
remember seeing a single post here so i am a little surprised to see
him in that pipes page
cheers
ecke

2010/6/29 steve harley p...@paper-ape.com:
 On 2010-06-29 12:58 , Matthew Hunt wrote:

 The pipe overview page is:


 http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=a2521ccc1cd0ae6146b25b4cbbe1244d

 The associated RSS feed is:


 http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.run?_id=a2521ccc1cd0ae6146b25b4cbbe1244d_render=rss

 good call on using Yahoo Pipes! i set a few up quite some time ago and then
 never came back ...

 the sorting, and lack of ads, is good; i stuffed my whole (incomplete) list
 into a pipe and the result is pretty satisfying, except that the authors of
 each post are missing:

 http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=f5929deb68fb2fdaf8d6fd401daceaec

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Re: PESO: Tiny Dancer

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
What Rick said. You caught it all at the right moment, expression,
posture, movement. Family treasure material =)
Cheers
Ecke

2010/6/29 Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com:
 Paul, that is a great shot.  The motion, color, and big brown eyes make it 
 very endearing.

 Rick

 http://photo.net/photos/RickW


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 Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 8:40 PM
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread Tim Øsleby
What happened to Shel?
His comments could be hard to take, but I miss them.

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2010/6/29 Malcolm Smith malcolmsmi...@btinternet.com:
 Hi Ecke,

 This is something currently on my mind. I wrote this reply about ten
 times and deleted it again. In a nutshell I would love for the
 etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I
 rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work but I do see an
 enormous difference in the number of positive responses per image so
 the going rule seems to be nihil nisi bene for most people and I
 tend to do the same thing because of not wanting to step on any
 toes... By the number of responses to my recent PESOs people were
 mostly underwhelmed by them so it would help me a lot to know why...
 My €0.02

 It did happen at one time, again back in the days when Shel B used to post 
 regularly. There were one or two 'heated discussions' and the more critical 
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread Doug Franklin

On 2010-06-29 16:15, eckinator wrote:


In a nutshell I would love for the
etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I
rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work[...]


I'll praise a photo in public, but if I'm going to criticize it more 
than a little, I'll typically do it privately by direct email.


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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
2010/6/29 Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com:

 I'll praise a photo in public, but if I'm going to criticize it more than a
 little, I'll typically do it privately by direct email.

Whenever you see fit in my case, please by all means do.
Thanks
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread Tim Øsleby
I can see why you do Doug.
But don't you think others could learn from those honest comments?

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 On 2010-06-29 16:15, eckinator wrote:

 In a nutshell I would love for the
 etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I
 rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work[...]

 I'll praise a photo in public, but if I'm going to criticize it more than a
 little, I'll typically do it privately by direct email.

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Re: PESO -- Madison First congregational Church Steeple

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
Agreed. Looks a tad bit bright on my screen but then I am on a
non-multimedia laptop.
Thanks for sharing
Ecke

2010/6/29 Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com:
 I like it.  Nicely framed.  More ornate than your average New England 
 congregational church steeple.

 Rick

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 Subject: PESO -- Madison First congregational Church Steeple
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 10:48 AM
 This was really a test shot to see if
 my A*300 was now up to snuff, unfortunately it wasn't.
 The M*300 I tested against was however.

 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20%20madcongchrstep.html

 Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax M*300mm f4.0.

 Notes: The A and M * 300mm f4.0 lenses are a bit soft wide
 open, but the files sharpen up nicely, when they work.
 The A* is going back for more work.

 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread Doug Franklin

On 2010-06-29 17:22, Tim Øsleby wrote:

I can see why you do Doug.
But don't you think others could learn from those honest comments?


Yes, learning can surely occur in these situations, with some caveats 
(lots of open minds, civility by all parties, ...).  Unfortunately, I've 
seen it devolve into nastiness and ruin friendships and such far too 
often.  Not to mention that it's the way I was raised, praise in 
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Re: PESO - Runde Harbour (Panorama)

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
2010/6/28 steve harley p...@paper-ape.com:
 On 2010-06-27 10:23 , Tim Øsleby wrote:

 Another attempt at panorama.
 http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/2010/06/panorama-runde-harbour.html

 i like it; i often see a sequence in panoramas, kind of like panels in a
 comic strem; here the story i see is: we arrived, we built a society,
 eventually we used up the mountains so all that was left were four small
 houses, then there was nothing and we don't know what's next; something like
 that

LOL... definitely comment of the week...

MARK!!!

As to the image, I wish I could see farther over to the right, to me
it is kind of like the image is well, like incomplete there. Either
that or I would take some away from the right and see if the vertical
crop needed any change then. The lack of foreground in the right half
along with the visible lineage gives the harbour bassin something uhm,
boxy in my eyes... I think the location has enormous potential though
and I want to see what comes out if you repeat the shot...
Thanks for sharing, Tim
Hope that was open enough =)
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Problem

2010-06-29 Thread steve harley

On 2010-06-29 15:15 , eckinator wrote:

Is falk lumo a lurker on this list?


heh - probably not, i just looked through my photo-related blogs for 
names i recognized or mentions of pentax; i'll take it off


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PESO Misty Morning

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
Going through the photos from my 2005 trip to Malaysia, this is one of
my faves. A misty morning on the East bank of Lemanak River, Sarawak,
Borneo, Malaysia as seen from the Batang Ai Iban longhouse where we
spent the night drinking positively excellent Iban moonshine with zero
hangover factor and boy, was I ever loaded. I still feel a bit bad for
having gone there and watch them put on a show for rich Westerners
but it was an amazing insight nonetheless so I'm glad I didn't have
those qualms before leaving or I might not have booked that
arrangement. The trip was three weeks with the first week guided and
the other two spent backpacking and I hope to go to Malaysia again
some day, it is a beautiful country, the people are friendly and very
very hospitable and the food is awesome, you can eat all kinds of
super spicy hot food but you will always still taste something and not
just feel your mouth burn. And their breakfast, Nasi Lemak, is a great
start into a day in the weather there. Some days I drank as much as 9
liters before needing to heed nature's call. It is all one huge
sweatbox to me.
http://tinyurl.com/eckinator4PDML
Good? Bad? Ugly? Let me know!
Enjoy
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Re: PESO - Runde Harbour (Panorama)

2010-06-29 Thread Tim Øsleby
Yep. That was open enough ;-)
Thank you Ecke :-)

From this view point there was nothing more to see at the right, just
more breakwater structure and water. That's why I decided to stop
there. But you makes valid points.

Panorama is totally new to me. Taking in a whole scene really
challenges my composing skills. Forcing me to pre visualise more.
Hopefully my general photography will improve from it.

I'm going back this weekend, and will have your and others comments in
the back of my head. If I'm lucky, the light will be more interesting.
Maybe, maybe I will come up with a better solution???


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2010/6/29 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com:
 2010/6/28 steve harley p...@paper-ape.com:
 On 2010-06-27 10:23 , Tim Øsleby wrote:

 Another attempt at panorama.
 http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/2010/06/panorama-runde-harbour.html

 i like it; i often see a sequence in panoramas, kind of like panels in a
 comic strem; here the story i see is: we arrived, we built a society,
 eventually we used up the mountains so all that was left were four small
 houses, then there was nothing and we don't know what's next; something like
 that

 LOL... definitely comment of the week...

 MARK!!!

 As to the image, I wish I could see farther over to the right, to me
 it is kind of like the image is well, like incomplete there. Either
 that or I would take some away from the right and see if the vertical
 crop needed any change then. The lack of foreground in the right half
 along with the visible lineage gives the harbour bassin something uhm,
 boxy in my eyes... I think the location has enormous potential though
 and I want to see what comes out if you repeat the shot...
 Thanks for sharing, Tim
 Hope that was open enough =)
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Re: PESO - Runde Harbour (Panorama)

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
2010/6/29 Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com:

 I'm going back this weekend, and will have your and others comments in
 the back of my head. If I'm lucky, the light will be more interesting.
 Maybe, maybe I will come up with a better solution???

Whatever you come up with, be sure to post it and have a good trip, too!
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Re: PESO Misty Morning

2010-06-29 Thread Bob Sullivan
Exotic and miserable looking place!  I imagine a temp of 98 degrees F
and 95% humidity.  I'd never go there!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:45 PM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote:
 Going through the photos from my 2005 trip to Malaysia, this is one of
 my faves. A misty morning on the East bank of Lemanak River, Sarawak,
 Borneo, Malaysia as seen from the Batang Ai Iban longhouse where we
 spent the night drinking positively excellent Iban moonshine with zero
 hangover factor and boy, was I ever loaded. I still feel a bit bad for
 having gone there and watch them put on a show for rich Westerners
 but it was an amazing insight nonetheless so I'm glad I didn't have
 those qualms before leaving or I might not have booked that
 arrangement. The trip was three weeks with the first week guided and
 the other two spent backpacking and I hope to go to Malaysia again
 some day, it is a beautiful country, the people are friendly and very
 very hospitable and the food is awesome, you can eat all kinds of
 super spicy hot food but you will always still taste something and not
 just feel your mouth burn. And their breakfast, Nasi Lemak, is a great
 start into a day in the weather there. Some days I drank as much as 9
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 sweatbox to me.
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread Rick Womer

--- On Tue, 6/29/10, Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com wrote:

 I'll praise a photo in public, but if I'm going to
 criticize it more than a little, I'll typically do it
 privately by direct email.

It's all in how it's done.

Incorrect:

That photo is a steaming dungheap so foul that even flies avoid it.

Correct:

That is an interesting subject, but the photo would be better if you included 
the subject's head, had him in focus, and reduced the exposure by 2 stops or 
so.

I appreciate appreciative comments on my PESOs, but would welcome a lot more 
public polite constructive criticism.

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Re: PESO cropping advice sought - Kuantan Mosque detail

2010-06-29 Thread Rick Womer
Ecke,

That is one of the really good photos I was referring to.

I prefer the looser crop; the architectural details on the right add something 
to the shot.  The top of the car in the original doesn't.

Rick

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 From: eckinator eckina...@gmail.com
 Subject: PESO  cropping advice sought - Kuantan Mosque detail
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 2:21 PM
 http://tinyurl.com/EckeThump3
 http://preview.tinyurl.com/EckeThump3
 Your input is very much appreciated as I am rather unsure
 how
 aggressively to crop here - right now I like the gentler
 crop better.
 That one is also on my eckinator.posterous.com
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread P. J. Alling

He has heath issues.

On 6/29/2010 5:18 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

What happened to Shel?
His comments could be hard to take, but I miss them.

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2010/6/29 Malcolm Smithmalcolmsmi...@btinternet.com:
   

Hi Ecke,

 

This is something currently on my mind. I wrote this reply about ten
times and deleted it again. In a nutshell I would love for the
etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I
rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work but I do see an
enormous difference in the number of positive responses per image so
the going rule seems to be nihil nisi bene for most people and I
tend to do the same thing because of not wanting to step on any
toes... By the number of responses to my recent PESOs people were
mostly underwhelmed by them so it would help me a lot to know why...
My €0.02
   

It did happen at one time, again back in the days when Shel B used to post 
regularly. There were one or two 'heated discussions' and the more critical 
comments slowly subsided.

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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread P. J. Alling

You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny. :-P

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I can see why you do Doug.
But don't you think others could learn from those honest comments?

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On 2010-06-29 16:15, eckinator wrote:

 

In a nutshell I would love for the
etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I
rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work[...]
   

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Re: PESO - Runde Harbour (Panorama)

2010-06-29 Thread Tim Øsleby
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2010/6/29 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com:
 2010/6/29 Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com:

 I'm going back this weekend, and will have your and others comments in
 the back of my head. If I'm lucky, the light will be more interesting.
 Maybe, maybe I will come up with a better solution???

 Whatever you come up with, be sure to post it and have a good trip, too!
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Re: PESO cropping advice sought - Kuantan Mosque detail

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
Thank you again, Rick =)
Ecke

2010/6/30 Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com:
 Ecke,

 That is one of the really good photos I was referring to.

 I prefer the looser crop; the architectural details on the right add 
 something to the shot.  The top of the car in the original doesn't.

 Rick

 http://photo.net/photos/RickW


 --- On Tue, 6/29/10, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: eckinator eckina...@gmail.com
 Subject: PESO  cropping advice sought - Kuantan Mosque detail
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 2:21 PM
 http://tinyurl.com/EckeThump3
 http://preview.tinyurl.com/EckeThump3
 Your input is very much appreciated as I am rather unsure
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread P. J. Alling

Heath, health, health.  There now I feel better.

On 6/29/2010 6:14 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

He has heath issues.

On 6/29/2010 5:18 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

What happened to Shel?
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2010/6/29 Malcolm Smithmalcolmsmi...@btinternet.com:

Hi Ecke,


This is something currently on my mind. I wrote this reply about ten
times and deleted it again. In a nutshell I would love for the
etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I
rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work but I do see an
enormous difference in the number of positive responses per image so
the going rule seems to be nihil nisi bene for most people and I
tend to do the same thing because of not wanting to step on any
toes... By the number of responses to my recent PESOs people were
mostly underwhelmed by them so it would help me a lot to know why...
My €0.02
It did happen at one time, again back in the days when Shel B used 
to post regularly. There were one or two 'heated discussions' and 
the more critical comments slowly subsided.


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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
OK no sick Ledger jokes... now /I/ feel better =)

2010/6/30 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com:
 Heath, health, health.  There now I feel better.

 On 6/29/2010 6:14 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

 He has heath issues.

 On 6/29/2010 5:18 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

 What happened to Shel?
 His comments could be hard to take, but I miss them.

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 2010/6/29 Malcolm Smithmalcolmsmi...@btinternet.com:

 Hi Ecke,

 This is something currently on my mind. I wrote this reply about ten
 times and deleted it again. In a nutshell I would love for the
 etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I
 rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work but I do see an
 enormous difference in the number of positive responses per image so
 the going rule seems to be nihil nisi bene for most people and I
 tend to do the same thing because of not wanting to step on any
 toes... By the number of responses to my recent PESOs people were
 mostly underwhelmed by them so it would help me a lot to know why...
 My €0.02

 It did happen at one time, again back in the days when Shel B used to
 post regularly. There were one or two 'heated discussions' and the more
 critical comments slowly subsided.

 Malcolm


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Re: PESO Misty Morning

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
2010/6/30 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com:
 Exotic and miserable looking place!  I imagine a temp of 98 degrees F
 and 95% humidity.  I'd never go there!

You imagined about right although it was low F-hundreds at times.
Borneo and KL especially. Non-Borneo's East coast was nice with always
a gentle fresh breeze, places visited were among others Cherating,
Kuantan, Kuala Terengganu and the Pulau Perhentian islands. I'd go
there again any day while I can still stand the weather.
Cheers
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread Tim Øsleby
You're not Doug are you?

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2010/6/30 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com:
 You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny. :-P

 On 6/29/2010 5:22 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

 I can see why you do Doug.
 But don't you think others could learn from those honest comments?

 In other words: Please feel free to criticise me in public.

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 2010/6/29 Doug Franklinjehosep...@mindspring.com:

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RE: PESO: Tiny Dancer

2010-06-29 Thread Bill Sawyer
Ditto, Paul, very expressive

Bill Sawyer

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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Rick
Womer
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 8:45 PM
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Subject: Re: PESO: Tiny Dancer

Paul, that is a great shot.  The motion, color, and big brown eyes make it
very endearing.

Rick

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 Subject: PESO: Tiny Dancer
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 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11196653
 
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Re: PESO Misty Morning

2010-06-29 Thread Tim Øsleby
Definitely good. As others, I can feel the heat and humidity.

But at my monitor, I miss tones in the highlights. Just a minor nit.

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2010/6/29 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com:
 Good? Bad? Ugly? Let me know!
 Enjoy
 Ecke


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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread P. J. Alling

I thought it was an open invitation.

On 6/29/2010 6:33 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

You're not Doug are you?

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2010/6/30 P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com:
   

You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny. :-P

On 6/29/2010 5:22 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:
 

I can see why you do Doug.
But don't you think others could learn from those honest comments?

In other words: Please feel free to criticise me in public.

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2010/6/29 Doug Franklinjehosep...@mindspring.com:
   
   



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