Re: PESO - Only in Canada

2010-07-08 Thread steve harley

On 2010-07-07 22:43 , Doug Brewer wrote:

Rick Womer wrote:

--- On Wed, 7/7/10, Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com wrote:


http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/07/only-in-canada.html

It seems like they have that backwards ... it ought to be a
minimum speed of 40, and points off your license for every
Canada Goose you flatten. :-)



Over 40 mph they make too much of a mess of your car.


shouldn't let them drive, then.


i think the problem is they get scared when they are passengers and 
_you_ drive over 40 mph


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Re: Boris, some PESOs

2010-07-08 Thread Boris Liberman

On 7/8/2010 4:04 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

Boris, Etude is my favorite, for its great use of both DOF and color.

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


Thanks, Rick!

Boris

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I talked to Sue . . .

2010-07-08 Thread Christine Aguila
tonight, and she has assured me that she will be contacting exhibit 
participants ASAP starting tomorrow.  If you do not hear from Sue in the 
next few days, please let me know at your convenience on or off list. 
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Re: PESO - Only in Canada

2010-07-08 Thread William Robb


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Over 40 mph they make too much of a mess of your car.


shouldn't let them drive, then.


i think the problem is they get scared when they are passengers and 
_you_ drive over 40 mph




That scares them? I didn't think anything scared them.
The ones here attack people fairly regularly.

William Robb 


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Re: PESO - Skate 3

2010-07-08 Thread Cotty
On 7/7/10, Ed Keeney, discombobulated, unleashed:

Channeling my inner Frank Theriault...

Damn, that's a T shirt and keyring in one.



http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/8s_0WOxKQocOg6WM-mmaqw?feat=directlink

Comments and critiques always welcome.

I find the contrast lacking but the shot's smashing. Love the framing.
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Re: Newbie

2010-07-08 Thread Tim Øsleby
Hei og velkommen Walter :-)
Nice shot.

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 All that said, I just thought I'd introduce myself and submit a photo
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 comments/critiques welcome.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/4767841507/

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PESO x2: Hanmer Foreset

2010-07-08 Thread David Mann
It's been a while since I took these photos but I think I said I'd post them 
here.  Two scenes from the forest tracks near the end of the Hanmer Half 
Marathon course I ran a while back.

http://www.multi.net.nz/hanmer/

I took these the week after that event as we spent the night in Hanmer on our 
way back from Blenheim where I'd run another half marathon.

Please forgive the rendering, they're quick-n-dirty HDRs done on my 
uncalibrated laptop screen while I've been trying out Photoshop CS5 with pretty 
much zero time to really come to grips with it.

K10D with the A15mm f/3.5.  It's the first time in ages I'd taken the camera 
out seriously.  I even shot some photos with the 6x7 but still haven't finished 
the roll yet.

Cheers,
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RE: Roots

2010-07-08 Thread Bob W
[...
 
 Wonder if they could use the DNA the Army filed away on me years ago?
 

probably, but it's probably easier just to return the swab they send you.


 Hope this doesn't break the thread, I'm trying to read the digest via
 webmail from school.



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Monitor advice wanted

2010-07-08 Thread David Mann
Hi all,

I'm planning to upgrade to a reasonably good LCD monitor in the near future.  
Are there any models that offer high quality at good value?

Sadly I don't have the budget for an Eizo but I have been eyeing up the IPS 
Dell ones.  Apple are out as they don't have DVI.  Apart from that I'm pretty 
much open.  I'm shopping in the 24 to 27 range.

I'd like one that I could rotate to portrait orientation but that's not a 
deal-breaker (in fact it could be more of a pain than it's worth).

In addition, what's going on with calibrators these days?  I plan to replace my 
old Spyder and I haven't been following developments in this area at all.

Cheers,
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Re: PESO - Synchronized

2010-07-08 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I like the first one better because of the beautiful watery background and 
 the more interesting position of the birds and their wings.

Thanks, Rick.  Those were strong points of the first one (I was
standing on an embankment, so they were flying below my vantage
point), but I still like the second better, probably because the birds
are a bit sharper.

I appreciate your thoughts.

cheers,
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Re: PESO - Swans on the Wing

2010-07-08 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Nice composition, and you caught the swans nicely synchronized.  You might 
 try brightening the birds a bit.  I like this.

Thanks, Rick!

And thanks to everyone else who looked and commented.

cheers,
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I am in awe of youth

2010-07-08 Thread Derby Chang


She won the QANTAS Spirit of Youth award last year, and this year, I 
keep seeing her pop up in fash mags all over the place. She is one 
fearless teen


http://nirrimiphotography.carbonmade.com/

Her blog is something to behold (beautiful but maybe some nsfw work here)

http://www.weliveyoung.blogspot.com/


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Re: Sorting photos

2010-07-08 Thread Derby Chang

Doug Franklin wrote:

On 2010-07-05 21:49, P. J. Alling wrote:

Raw Shooter Professional.  The free product was Raw Shooter Essentials,
Adobe bought them out and stopped development just when I decided to buy
the Professional product. It was simple didn't lock you into any
particular way of archiving and produced extremely good conversions, and
promoted a very efficient work flow with batch processing..


Yep, I really loved it.  It suits my way of working much better than 
Lightroom or Aperture, specifically because it lets me work my way.




RSE came around at just the right time for me too. Wonderful workflow. 
There was one bug they only just squashed before Adobe bought them out - 
pics with clipped red channel would oddly go green (which happened often 
in my music pics). But for everything else, it was simple, powerful and 
fast. Miss it.


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Re: Sorting photos

2010-07-08 Thread Derby Chang

Larry Colen wrote:

Last night I was working on being more careful about my focusing, and the 
results seem promising:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624445835548/

Exposure under the red lights is still a challenge.  The best results at JJ's seem 
to be quite a bit under what the camera thinks is nominal exposure.  Then, if I 
white balance (as close as lightroom will go), the BW conversion seems to work 
better too.
  


Focusing doesn't seem to be an issue here at all, Larry. Nice set. Only 
thing I would suggest is crop a little tighter.


Love that guy playing two saxes

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Re: Monitor advice wanted

2010-07-08 Thread Doug Franklin

On 2010-07-08 4:57, David Mann wrote:


I'm planning to upgrade to a reasonably good LCD monitor in the near future.  
Are there any models that offer high quality at good value?


I /love/ my HP 2475w IPS monitor, but they're still a bit expensive at 
over US$ 500 or so.


I recently hooked up a PC to my LCD TV and was frankly shocked at the 
pleasant rendition and color depth of the display.  And the /blacks/! 
On the TV they're amazingly deep, even better than the 2475w.  And the 
TV is a fairly cheap one.  But it made me think ... the 2475w is a 24 
monitor that goes for over US$ 500, but I could get a 27 or 28 1080p 
LCD TV for maybe US$ 350 on sale.  So I'm seriously thinking about doing 
that to see if the color rendition is there.  If it is, I'll just buy 
TVs for high gamut monitors for photo work. :-)


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Re: Sorting photos

2010-07-08 Thread Doug Franklin

On 2010-07-08 8:06, Derby Chang wrote:


RSE came around at just the right time for me too. Wonderful workflow.
There was one bug they only just squashed before Adobe bought them out -
pics with clipped red channel would oddly go green (which happened often
in my music pics). But for everything else, it was simple, powerful and
fast. Miss it.


Miss it?  I still use it for *istD RAW files. :-)

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Re: Sorting photos

2010-07-08 Thread paul stenquist

On Jul 8, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Derby Chang wrote:

 Larry Colen wrote:
 Last night I was working on being more careful about my focusing, and the 
 results seem promising:
 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624445835548/
 
 Exposure under the red lights is still a challenge.  The best results at 
 JJ's seem to be quite a bit under what the camera thinks is nominal 
 exposure.  Then, if I white balance (as close as lightroom will go), the BW 
 conversion seems to work better too.
  
 
 Focusing doesn't seem to be an issue here at all, Larry. Nice set. Only thing 
 I would suggest is crop a little tighter.
 
 Love that guy playing two saxes
 
What Derby said. Well done. Nice conversions.
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Re: Monitor advice wanted

2010-07-08 Thread Peter Loveday
If you're looking at Dells, I'm pretty happy with my Dell 24 U2408, but 
recently ordered a 27 U2711 as Dell had a special which worked out to about 
A$630, which I couldn't pass up.


These monitors have a wide-colour gamut, which allows more flexibility in 
calibration.


The U2711 is also one of few monitors, along with the likes of the expensive 
HP DreamColour series, that supports 30-bit colour.  This requires a quadro 
level graphics card, though, so you'd be looking at a serious investment.


Anyway, I can't comment on the U2711 quite yet, but certainly the specs look 
right, and high res (2560x1440) - I probably would've rather 16:10 than 
16:9, but that's getting rarer now.  The U2410 is probably another good 
option, also wide gamut, 1920x1200.


Note the U2711 won't swivel with its supplied stand.  The U2410 will.

- Peter

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From: David Mann

Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 6:27 PM
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Subject: Monitor advice wanted

Hi all,

I'm planning to upgrade to a reasonably good LCD monitor in the near future. 
Are there any models that offer high quality at good value?


Sadly I don't have the budget for an Eizo but I have been eyeing up the IPS 
Dell ones.  Apple are out as they don't have DVI.  Apart from that I'm 
pretty much open.  I'm shopping in the 24 to 27 range.


I'd like one that I could rotate to portrait orientation but that's not a 
deal-breaker (in fact it could be more of a pain than it's worth).


In addition, what's going on with calibrators these days?  I plan to replace 
my old Spyder and I haven't been following developments in this area at all.


Cheers,
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Re: I am in awe of youth

2010-07-08 Thread Bruce Walker

Derby Chang wrote:


She won the QANTAS Spirit of Youth award last year, and this year, I 
keep seeing her pop up in fash mags all over the place. She is one 
fearless teen


http://nirrimiphotography.carbonmade.com/

Her blog is something to behold (beautiful but maybe some nsfw work here)

http://www.weliveyoung.blogspot.com/


Thanks for the pointers, Derby. Fascinating story.

-bmw

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OT - PHOTOS1440

2010-07-08 Thread Anthony Farr
Five staff photographers from the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper
present and discuss their work:

http://www.smh.com.au/interactive/2010/national/photos1440/index.html

If you don't have time for all, don't miss Brendan Esposito and Nick
Moir.  And try to get to the State Library of NSW before 1st August if
you're anywhere near Sydney.

regards, Anthony

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to those who lack in mind and sight
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Photographers not terrorists

2010-07-08 Thread Bob W
Section 44 of the Terrorism Act has been used in recent years to stop 
search people, including photographers, illegally. Today the government
announced that it is bringing the legislation into line with the ruling of
the European court. This means that the police can no longer use Section 44
in the way they were using it before, and can only stop  search people now
under Section 43, which requires a *reasonable suspicion* that the person is
a terrorist - taking photographs is normally unlikely to be a reasonable
suspicion.

This is good news for human rights in the UK, including us specifically as
photographers, and a triumph for the people who originally brought the case
in front of the courts.

 http://photographernotaterrorist.org/ 
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10555430.stm 

It's still illegal under Section 72 to elicit information about a police
officer. They use this to try and stop people photographing cops.

Bob


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Re: PESO x2: Hanmer Foreset

2010-07-08 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave,
I especially like the compositon on the 2nd photo.
The cyclists down the road look great there and draw me into the photo.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 3:45 AM, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote:
 It's been a while since I took these photos but I think I said I'd post them 
 here.  Two scenes from the forest tracks near the end of the Hanmer Half 
 Marathon course I ran a while back.

 http://www.multi.net.nz/hanmer/

 I took these the week after that event as we spent the night in Hanmer on our 
 way back from Blenheim where I'd run another half marathon.

 Please forgive the rendering, they're quick-n-dirty HDRs done on my 
 uncalibrated laptop screen while I've been trying out Photoshop CS5 with 
 pretty much zero time to really come to grips with it.

 K10D with the A15mm f/3.5.  It's the first time in ages I'd taken the camera 
 out seriously.  I even shot some photos with the 6x7 but still haven't 
 finished the roll yet.

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Re: PESO - Only in Canada

2010-07-08 Thread steve harley

On 2010-07-08 01:06 , William Robb wrote:


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Over 40 mph they make too much of a mess of your car.


shouldn't let them drive, then.


i think the problem is they get scared when they are passengers and
_you_ drive over 40 mph



That scares them? I didn't think anything scared them.
The ones here attack people fairly regularly.


it must be the unfamiliar environment of the car -- why else would they 
make such a mess?


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Re: PESO x2: Hanmer Foreset

2010-07-08 Thread Jack Davis
Dramatic scene and both shots well done.

Jack

--- On Thu, 7/8/10, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote:

 From: David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz
 Subject: PESO x2: Hanmer Foreset
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, July 8, 2010, 1:45 AM
 It's been a while since I took these
 photos but I think I said I'd post them here.  Two
 scenes from the forest tracks near the end of the Hanmer
 Half Marathon course I ran a while back.
 
 http://www.multi.net.nz/hanmer/
 
 I took these the week after that event as we spent the
 night in Hanmer on our way back from Blenheim where I'd run
 another half marathon.
 
 Please forgive the rendering, they're quick-n-dirty HDRs
 done on my uncalibrated laptop screen while I've been trying
 out Photoshop CS5 with pretty much zero time to really come
 to grips with it.
 
 K10D with the A15mm f/3.5.  It's the first time in
 ages I'd taken the camera out seriously.  I even shot
 some photos with the 6x7 but still haven't finished the roll
 yet.
 
 Cheers,
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Re: OT: trouble again --- but minor.. Epson Twain question.. I got the Epson Perfection 1640su

2010-07-08 Thread eckinator
grab the driver cd, connect the scanner, re-install driver and
software over the existing install, also check epson service web for a
newer drv/sw version
good luck
ecke

2010/7/8 Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com:
 When I had all the trouble with the USB ports we were testing one swithcing
 stuff around -- after uninstalling and reinstalling various drivers
 including the one for the Twain... I suddenly have lost the ability to
 switch from flatbed scanning to slide scanning...
 I was able to toggle back and forth easily but now the opening screen I get
 does't let me do it...

 help didnt help   I have a bunch of negs taken on my dear old LX'en (as
 Caesar would say) that i need to scan...

 anyone?

 T I A
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Re: Photographers not terrorists

2010-07-08 Thread eckinator
w00t! There is still hope.
Thanks for sharing
Ecke

2010/7/8 Bob W p...@web-options.com:
 Section 44 of the Terrorism Act has been used in recent years to stop 
 search people, including photographers, illegally. Today the government
 announced that it is bringing the legislation into line with the ruling of
 the European court. This means that the police can no longer use Section 44
 in the way they were using it before, and can only stop  search people now
 under Section 43, which requires a *reasonable suspicion* that the person is
 a terrorist - taking photographs is normally unlikely to be a reasonable
 suspicion.

 This is good news for human rights in the UK, including us specifically as
 photographers, and a triumph for the people who originally brought the case
 in front of the courts.

  http://photographernotaterrorist.org/ 
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10555430.stm 

 It's still illegal under Section 72 to elicit information about a police
 officer. They use this to try and stop people photographing cops.

 Bob


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Re: OT: trouble again --- but minor.. Epson Twain question.. I got the Epson Perfection 1640su

2010-07-08 Thread Doug Franklin

On 2010-07-08 11:02, eckinator wrote:

grab the driver cd, connect the scanner, re-install driver and
software over the existing install, also check epson service web for a
newer drv/sw version


Personally, I've had better luck installing the driver while the 
hardware is disconnected, then connecting the hardware.


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Re: Photographers not terrorists

2010-07-08 Thread William Robb


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Section 44 of the Terrorism Act has been used in recent years to stop 
search people, including photographers, illegally. Today the government
announced that it is bringing the legislation into line with the ruling of
the European court. This means that the police can no longer use Section 
44
in the way they were using it before, and can only stop  search people 
now
under Section 43, which requires a *reasonable suspicion* that the person 
is

a terrorist - taking photographs is normally unlikely to be a reasonable
suspicion.

This is good news for human rights in the UK, including us specifically as
photographers, and a triumph for the people who originally brought the 
case

in front of the courts.

 http://photographernotaterrorist.org/ 
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10555430.stm 

It's still illegal under Section 72 to elicit information about a police
officer. They use this to try and stop people photographing cops.

Bob


Do you think it will do some good, or will it be ignored on the streets and 
end up being same old.


William Robb 



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RE: Photographers not terrorists

2010-07-08 Thread Bob W
  This is good news for human rights in the UK, including us
 specifically as
  photographers, and a triumph for the people who originally brought
 the
  case
  in front of the courts.
 
   http://photographernotaterrorist.org/ 
   http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10555430.stm 
 
  It's still illegal under Section 72 to elicit information about a
 police
  officer. They use this to try and stop people photographing cops.
 
  Bob
 
 Do you think it will do some good, or will it be ignored on the streets
 and
 end up being same old.
 
 William Robb

ever since people started protesting about it the number of stops has
reduced dramatically, and last year the police were instructed to stop being
so enthusiastic, so I do expect it to stop. If it doesn't they'll find
themselves in court again. It won't stop officious security guards and
similar from trying to stop us, but they have no powers of arrest or search.

Bob



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Re: OT: trouble again --- but minor.. Epson Twain question.. I got the Epson Perfection 1640su

2010-07-08 Thread Ann Sanfedele



eckinator wrote:


grab the driver cd, connect the scanner, re-install driver and
software over the existing install, also check epson service web for a
newer drv/sw version
good luck
ecke
 



actually - I  did that... afterwhich I couldn't find the way to change 
from flatbed to transparancy

:(
a


2010/7/8 Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com:
 


When I had all the trouble with the USB ports we were testing one swithcing
stuff around -- after uninstalling and reinstalling various drivers
including the one for the Twain... I suddenly have lost the ability to
switch from flatbed scanning to slide scanning...
I was able to toggle back and forth easily but now the opening screen I get
does't let me do it...

help didnt help   I have a bunch of negs taken on my dear old LX'en (as
Caesar would say) that i need to scan...

anyone?

T I A
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Re: OT: trouble again --- but minor.. Epson Twain question.. I got the Epson Perfection 1640su

2010-07-08 Thread eckinator
right... is your pc windows xp and younger, i.e. vista/7 or 2000 and
older? if it is xp and younger you may want to try a system restore -
good thing about it is you can always undo the undo, so to speak
cheers
ecke

2010/7/8 Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com:


 eckinator wrote:

 grab the driver cd, connect the scanner, re-install driver and
 software over the existing install, also check epson service web for a
 newer drv/sw version
 good luck
 ecke


 actually - I  did that... afterwhich I couldn't find the way to change from
 flatbed to transparancy
 :(
 a

 2010/7/8 Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com:


 When I had all the trouble with the USB ports we were testing one
 swithcing
 stuff around -- after uninstalling and reinstalling various drivers
 including the one for the Twain... I suddenly have lost the ability to
 switch from flatbed scanning to slide scanning...
 I was able to toggle back and forth easily but now the opening screen I
 get
 does't let me do it...

 help didnt help   I have a bunch of negs taken on my dear old LX'en (as
 Caesar would say) that i need to scan...

 anyone?

 T I A
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Re: OT: trouble again --- but minor.. Epson Twain question.. I got the Epson Perfection 1640su

2010-07-08 Thread Carlos R



El 08/07/2010 18:26, Ann Sanfedele escribió:



eckinator wrote:


grab the driver cd, connect the scanner, re-install driver and
software over the existing install, also check epson service web for a
newer drv/sw version
good luck
ecke




actually - I did that... afterwhich I couldn't find the way to change
from flatbed to transparancy
:(
a


Ann, I also have an Epson scanner. Epson recommends to install the 
drivers BEFORE connecting the scanner to the PC. So I would uninstall 
the existing drivers and would try the procedure I've just suggested. 
Secondly, my Epson scanner (2450 Photo) also scans flat originals and 
slides/negatives like yours, but it failed on me once, until I found out 
that an external cable at the back of the scanner, which connects the 
lid with the body of the scanner, was loosely connected.


Good luck,

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Re: OT: trouble again --- but minor.. Epson Twain question.. I got the Epson Perfection 1640su

2010-07-08 Thread Ann Sanfedele
in the meantime... I rebooted and opened photoshop again, and imported 
again and it suddenly came back..

Odd..

Then what it did was tell me there was no film there  for the preview... 
but allowed me to scan...


twice my monitor went black... so I exited all other stuff I had opened

maybe I just have a weird power issue here due to our Electric supplier 
browning us out where I am.. it is still
over 90 here and the middle of a work day...  at least we havent had a 
blackout (knock wood)


it is XP , btw...  


I think I may wait until late night to work on the serious stuff

thanks, as always ecke
ann

eckinator wrote:


right... is your pc windows xp and younger, i.e. vista/7 or 2000 and
older? if it is xp and younger you may want to try a system restore -
good thing about it is you can always undo the undo, so to speak
cheers
ecke

2010/7/8 Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com:
 


eckinator wrote:

   


grab the driver cd, connect the scanner, re-install driver and
software over the existing install, also check epson service web for a
newer drv/sw version
good luck
ecke

 


actually - I  did that... afterwhich I couldn't find the way to change from
flatbed to transparancy
:(
a

   


2010/7/8 Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com:

 


When I had all the trouble with the USB ports we were testing one
swithcing
stuff around -- after uninstalling and reinstalling various drivers
including the one for the Twain... I suddenly have lost the ability to
switch from flatbed scanning to slide scanning...
I was able to toggle back and forth easily but now the opening screen I
get
does't let me do it...

help didnt help   I have a bunch of negs taken on my dear old LX'en (as
Caesar would say) that i need to scan...

anyone?

T I A
ann






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Re: OT: trouble again --- but minor.. Epson Twain question.. I got the Epson Perfection 1640su

2010-07-08 Thread Ann Sanfedele



Carlos R wrote:



a



Ann, I also have an Epson scanner. Epson recommends to install the 
drivers BEFORE connecting the scanner to the PC. So I would uninstall 
the existing drivers and would try the procedure I've just suggested. 
Secondly, my Epson scanner (2450 Photo) also scans flat originals and 
slides/negatives like yours, but it failed on me once, until I found 
out that an external cable at the back of the scanner, which connects 
the lid with the body of the scanner, was loosely connected.


Good luck,

Carlos

Yes ... re the connector as I just wrote to ecke that it was back up 
but flaky  and I've had the problem before with the loose connection and

fiddled with it  ... the USB port the scanner is in is a bit loose...

For the third time my monitor went black and revived...

I think I'll find other chores to do for a while !  



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Boris PESO 29 - Motion phases

2010-07-08 Thread Boris Liberman

Hello.

Offering you a short series of three pictures starting a series of PESOs 
related to Mime Artists that paid our town a visit this week. What a 
fascinating sight it was for me.


http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/07/peso-2010-29-motion-phases.html

Be brutal and honest, please!

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Re: Sorting photos

2010-07-08 Thread Boris Liberman

On 7/8/2010 3:25 PM, paul stenquist wrote:


On Jul 8, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Derby Chang wrote:

Focusing doesn't seem to be an issue here at all, Larry. Nice set. Only thing I 
would suggest is crop a little tighter.

Love that guy playing two saxes


What Derby said. Well done. Nice conversions.
Paul


I'd gladly third what Derby and Paul said. No problems whatsoever here. 
In fact, it is pretty cool collection of shots, Larry. Is there a chance 
that you're actually /convincing/ yourself here that you have difficulty 
working in low light with manual focus? Because, I am sure you would 
outdo be fair and square with this level of technique.


Boris

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Re: PESO - Only in Canada

2010-07-08 Thread Boris Liberman

On 7/7/2010 2:06 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

50 yards before that sign the speed limit was 30: It's encouraging
drivers to speed up...


I thought it had to do with geese ;-).

Hilariously funny, Frank.

Boris


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Re: PESO - Barn in Ålfoten

2010-07-08 Thread Boris Liberman
Tim, having visited Norway twice, I should point out that to me it looks 
rather American than Norwegian. I am not entirely sure if it is of any 
importance here *blush*, but this is my immediate reaction after having 
seen it. It is still beautiful but oddly out of (your) place...


Boris


On 6/5/2010 3:23 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/2010/06/lave-i-alfoten.html

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Re: OT - PHOTOS1440

2010-07-08 Thread Christine Aguila
I watched all the videos.  The photos were fantastic and the commentary 
smart.  Thanks for posting, Anthony!  cheers, Christine



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Subject: OT - PHOTOS1440


Five staff photographers from the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper
present and discuss their work:

http://www.smh.com.au/interactive/2010/national/photos1440/index.html

If you don't have time for all, don't miss Brendan Esposito and Nick
Moir.  And try to get to the State Library of NSW before 1st August if
you're anywhere near Sydney.

regards, Anthony

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   to those who lack in mind and sight
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Re: Photographers not terrorists

2010-07-08 Thread Cotty
On 8/7/10, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:


Do you think it will do some good, or will it be ignored on the streets and
end up being same old.

That one.

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Re: PESO - Fishy Beans

2010-07-08 Thread Boris Liberman

Oh yeah... No introduction necessary indeed. The second shot is outstanding.

On 6/9/2010 2:43 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Needing no introduction...

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11105069size=lg

and

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11105075

(K10D and DA 10-17)

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Re: PESO: Segway Tour

2010-07-08 Thread Boris Liberman
Julia's telling me that there are segway tours in Tel Aviv and 
Jerusalem. I think I might either take one or shoot one ;-).


Boris


On 6/9/2010 11:44 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

This group passed by while I was visiting the Capitol last weekend:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1924

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Re: Photographers not terrorists

2010-07-08 Thread Boris Liberman

On 7/8/2010 8:22 PM, Cotty wrote:

On 8/7/10, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:



Do you think it will do some good, or will it be ignored on the streets and
end up being same old.


That one.


That's what I thought too... There is a certain distance between the 
well dressed man presiding in some well guarded room of some well known 
building and an actual representative of all of the above on the street.


Boris

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Re: Semi-OT: Louie Leica

2010-07-08 Thread Boris Liberman

Derby, you're an evil man, you...

Boris

On 7/5/2010 1:03 PM, Derby Chang wrote:


Only barely ontopic 'cos I slapped the L-43 on for the catalog shot. I
swear, I was not responsible for the skinning of this one. And I know
its not genuine. But I promise I will give it a good home and plenty of
exercise

http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/10/10_07/10_07_louie/index.htm


Happy Birthday, Canada. Thanks for saving Leica Camera AG

http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/10/10_07/10_07_louie/03.htm




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Re: K-7's return from Pentax Repair

2010-07-08 Thread Boris Liberman

Great news, Bob. You're on the saddle again then?!

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Re: starting my own posterous

2010-07-08 Thread Boris Liberman
It is actually Ne-Za-Chto (one word practically assembled from three 
different words)...


:-)

On 6/29/2010 11:59 PM, eckinator wrote:

2010/6/29 Jerry in Arizonaglewis4...@yahoo.com:

Nope, no Mr Beagle here.

Nyezishta (it is nothing) is a proper response to Spacibo (thank you), po 
Pycckuu.

My tansliteration may be rusty.


Ooh, I see, it is the Russian pas de quoi but your spelling of
Pikachu is certainly even rustier yet *duckrun* ]=)
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Re: PESO: Segway Tour

2010-07-08 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Doug Franklin
jehosep...@mindspring.com wrote:

 A friend of mine just came back from a family vacation in Spain.  They took
 a Segway tour like that in Barcelona.

We did a Segway tour in Pittsburgh a couple of years ago... it was
fun.  That was right after I got my K10D.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coneslayer/2441391771/

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GESO -- Fireworks, July 4, 2010

2010-07-08 Thread P. J. Alling

I finally got around to processing a few files of the actual fireworks.

A small GESO generated automagicly by Photoshop, (I got a bit lazy).

Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds w/ smc Pentax FA 28-70mm f4.0 or smc Pentax FA 
20-35mm f4.0


All the earlier talk about Raw Shooter made me a bit nostalgic, so I 
reinstalled RSE and used that as a converter.  I had forgotten how 
nicely it worked.  Just took a little effort to relearn the interface.


As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

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Re: GESO -- Fireworks, July 4, 2010

2010-07-08 Thread P. J. Alling

On 7/8/2010 1:47 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

I finally got around to processing a few files of the actual fireworks.

A small GESO generated automagicly by Photoshop, (I got a bit lazy).


A link, a link, my kingdom for a link...

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/Fireworks%20July%204%2C%202010/index.htm

The wise a**'s will beat me to it thought.



Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds w/ smc Pentax FA 28-70mm f4.0 or smc Pentax 
FA 20-35mm f4.0


All the earlier talk about Raw Shooter made me a bit nostalgic, so I 
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nicely it worked.  Just took a little effort to relearn the interface.


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RE: PESO: Segway Tour

2010-07-08 Thread Bob W
you have to shoot their tyres out first so they can't make a quick getaway.

 
 Julia's telling me that there are segway tours in Tel Aviv and
 Jerusalem. I think I might either take one or shoot one ;-).
 
 Boris
 
 
 On 6/9/2010 11:44 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
  This group passed by while I was visiting the Capitol last weekend:
 
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1924
 
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RE: GESO -- Fireworks, July 4, 2010

2010-07-08 Thread Bob W
 On 7/8/2010 1:47 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
  I finally got around to processing a few files of the actual
 fireworks.
 
  A small GESO generated automagicly by Photoshop, (I got a bit lazy).
 
 A link, a link, my kingdom for a link...
 
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/Fireworks%20July%204%2C%202010/ind
 ex.htm
 
 The wise a**'s will beat me to it thought.
 

ah, so that's what fireworks look like!




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Re: PESO - Barn in Ålfoten

2010-07-08 Thread Tim Øsleby
Your comment is spot on Boris. That's what I saw, a little piece of
America, out in Ålfoten.


MaritimTim

http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/



2010/7/8 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
 Tim, having visited Norway twice, I should point out that to me it looks
 rather American than Norwegian. I am not entirely sure if it is of any
 importance here *blush*, but this is my immediate reaction after having seen
 it. It is still beautiful but oddly out of (your) place...

 Boris


 On 6/5/2010 3:23 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

 http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/2010/06/lave-i-alfoten.html

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Re: GESO -- Fireworks, July 4, 2010

2010-07-08 Thread paul stenquist
Excellent. Well done.

On Jul 8, 2010, at 1:52 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

 On 7/8/2010 1:47 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
 I finally got around to processing a few files of the actual fireworks.
 
 A small GESO generated automagicly by Photoshop, (I got a bit lazy).
 
 A link, a link, my kingdom for a link...
 
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/Fireworks%20July%204%2C%202010/index.htm
 
 The wise a**'s will beat me to it thought.
 
 
 Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds w/ smc Pentax FA 28-70mm f4.0 or smc Pentax FA 
 20-35mm f4.0
 
 All the earlier talk about Raw Shooter made me a bit nostalgic, so I 
 reinstalled RSE and used that as a converter.  I had forgotten how nicely it 
 worked.  Just took a little effort to relearn the interface.
 
 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
 
 
 
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Re: PESO - Barn in Ålfoten

2010-07-08 Thread paul stenquist
I like the tonality and the subject, but find the tilt distracting. I'd rotate 
it a bit counterclockwise to straighten the center verticals. However, some 
would say i'm obsessive about such things.

On Jul 8, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

 Your comment is spot on Boris. That's what I saw, a little piece of
 America, out in Ålfoten.
 
 
 MaritimTim
 
 http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/
 
 
 
 2010/7/8 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
 Tim, having visited Norway twice, I should point out that to me it looks
 rather American than Norwegian. I am not entirely sure if it is of any
 importance here *blush*, but this is my immediate reaction after having seen
 it. It is still beautiful but oddly out of (your) place...
 
 Boris
 
 
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Re: Semi-OT: Louie Leica

2010-07-08 Thread eckinator
heh...

2010/7/5 Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au:

 Only barely ontopic 'cos I slapped the L-43 on for the catalog shot. I
 swear, I was not responsible for the skinning of this one. And I know its
 not genuine. But I promise I will give it a good home and plenty of exercise

 http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/10/10_07/10_07_louie/index.htm


 Happy Birthday, Canada. Thanks for saving Leica Camera AG

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Re: PESO - Barn in Ålfoten

2010-07-08 Thread Tim Øsleby
It would really surprise me, if the building was level.
So for me, its not a problem, It's just one of all those odd things in life.

But I could probably straiten it a bit, to make you happy my friend.

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2010/7/8 paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net:
 I like the tonality and the subject, but find the tilt distracting. I'd 
 rotate it a bit counterclockwise to straighten the center verticals. However, 
 some would say i'm obsessive about such things.

 On Jul 8, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

 Your comment is spot on Boris. That's what I saw, a little piece of
 America, out in Ålfoten.


 MaritimTim

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 2010/7/8 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
 Tim, having visited Norway twice, I should point out that to me it looks
 rather American than Norwegian. I am not entirely sure if it is of any
 importance here *blush*, but this is my immediate reaction after having seen
 it. It is still beautiful but oddly out of (your) place...

 Boris


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Re: Photographers not terrorists

2010-07-08 Thread eckinator
2010/7/8 Bob W p...@web-options.com:

 It won't stop officious security guards and
 similar from trying to stop us, but they have no powers of arrest or search.

don't forget citizen's arrest, pepper spray and the dangerous
delusions that go along with them - I was witness of the state in an
assault and battery trial against four tram ticket inspectors in
Cologne a couple years ago. two of the ticket people had cornered an
African tourist who spoke only French and admittedly had no ticket.
buddy was like 170 cm tall and skinny and the guards were three guys
of 190+ and a roid bumped female Chuck Norris. They had him backed up
against a pole on the streetcar and were trying to get some ID from
him and he kept saying in French he didn't have any on him. Main
defendant started pushing him and he was visibly scared and raised his
hands to chest level in a clear give up gesture. This was enough of an
excuse I guess as the guy banged the back of his head into the pole a
couple times, lifted him by the throat, carried him off the train that
had just stopped, slammed him into one of those plexiglass stalls, all
still by the throat and then down onto a bench where he choked him
some more. All the time there was no resistance. This is when I
finally got physically close enough to do something. Another guy and I
stepped in, stopped them and called the police. The ticket guys not
only refused to give ID which, them being public servants, was against
the law but also produced little scraps of paper which had §127
paragraph 4 of the Criminal Procedure Code printed on them, i.e. the
law governing citizen's arrest and actually tried to make us believe
127 justified their behaviour. They did identify themselves to police
and charges were pressed by the public attorney meaning this was not
considered a minor offense. The sentences were pretty high given they
were all first offenders, three were fined 3 monthly salaries each and
the main defendant got four plus 3 months on parole. He also appealed
the sentence so I had to come again and the judge told him outright to
withdraw his appeal or he would get a higher sentence yet. He
complied. But all the while before and after the court sessions all
four kept pestering us in the hallway that they had done nothing wrong
and so on and bla bla and I think they actually believed it, too.

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Re: OT: trouble again --- but minor.. Epson Twain question.. I got the Epson Perfection 1640su

2010-07-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
2010/7/8 Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com:
 When I had all the trouble with the USB ports we were testing one swithcing
 stuff around -- after uninstalling and reinstalling various drivers
 including the one for the Twain... I suddenly have lost the ability to
 switch from flatbed scanning to slide scanning...
 I was able to toggle back and forth easily but now the opening screen I get
 does't let me do it...

 help didnt help   I have a bunch of negs taken on my dear old LX'en (as
 Caesar would say) that i need to scan...

Ann,

I have never used Epson's software other than for testing, TWAIN or
not, to drive any Epson scanner. To me, that's just junk software.

I use Vuescan, which supports the Epson Perfection 1640su and works
very well. I've used Vuescan to drive Epson 2450, V700, Minolta Scan
Dual II, Polaroid SprintScan 35E/S and Nikon Coolcan IV ED (LS-40)
scanners. I've compared it against the Epson, Minolta, Nikon, Polaroid
OEM software and a couple of third party (SilverFast, Apple's Image
Capture, and a couple others I can no longer remember). It is without
a doubt the best scanning software I've used.

Here's an information page for Vuescan with this scanner:
http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/epson_perfection_1640su.html

You can download Vuescan for evaluation from the home page:
http://www.hamrick.com

And there's a decent Users Guide available in PDF:
http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/vuescan.pdf

I don't work with a scanner unless Vuescan supports it nowadays.
That's my bottom line. ;-)
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Re: Photographers not terrorists

2010-07-08 Thread Cotty
On 8/7/10, eckinator, discombobulated, unleashed:

 But all the while before and after the court sessions all
four kept pestering us in the hallway that they had done nothing wrong
and so on and bla bla and I think they actually believed it, too.

This in itself is a criminal offense in the UK. Do they not have CCTV at
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Re: Photographers not terrorists

2010-07-08 Thread P N Stenquist


On Jul 8, 2010, at 3:14 PM, eckinator wrote:


2010/7/8 Bob W p...@web-options.com:


It won't stop officious security guards and
similar from trying to stop us, but they have no powers of arrest  
or search.


don't forget citizen's arrest, pepper spray and the dangerous
delusions that go along with them - I was witness of the state in an
assault and battery trial against four tram ticket inspectors in
Cologne a couple years ago. two of the ticket people had cornered an
African tourist who spoke only French and admittedly had no ticket.
buddy was like 170 cm tall and skinny and the guards were three guys
of 190+ and a roid bumped female Chuck Norris. They had him backed up
against a pole on the streetcar and were trying to get some ID from
him and he kept saying in French he didn't have any on him. Main
defendant started pushing him and he was visibly scared and raised his
hands to chest level in a clear give up gesture. This was enough of an
excuse I guess as the guy banged the back of his head into the pole a
couple times, lifted him by the throat, carried him off the train that
had just stopped, slammed him into one of those plexiglass stalls, all
still by the throat and then down onto a bench where he choked him
some more. All the time there was no resistance. This is when I
finally got physically close enough to do something. Another guy and I
stepped in, stopped them and called the police.


Good for you. It's not often that bystanders will stand up for the  
oppressed. Bravo!




The ticket guys not
only refused to give ID which, them being public servants, was against
the law but also produced little scraps of paper which had §127
paragraph 4 of the Criminal Procedure Code printed on them, i.e. the
law governing citizen's arrest and actually tried to make us believe
127 justified their behaviour. They did identify themselves to police
and charges were pressed by the public attorney meaning this was not
considered a minor offense. The sentences were pretty high given they
were all first offenders, three were fined 3 monthly salaries each and
the main defendant got four plus 3 months on parole. He also appealed
the sentence so I had to come again and the judge told him outright to
withdraw his appeal or he would get a higher sentence yet. He
complied. But all the while before and after the court sessions all
four kept pestering us in the hallway that they had done nothing wrong
and so on and bla bla and I think they actually believed it, too.

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Re: Testing photography rules in Miami metrorail system

2010-07-08 Thread mike wilson

Bob W wrote:


within the next few years, defacto illegal to use an SLR in


public.

William Robb


it's up to us to resist it as often as we can



The problem is, we don't resist. We let the bullies have their way, and
the
next time they are more empowered, more confident in their
righteousness and
more aggressive in their methods.
I'm reminded of dogs running a fence every time I read of a
photographer
being harassed for having a large camera.
They will never pick on a group of photographers, so the people who go
out
en masse and feel empowered because they weren't harassed are doing no
good
whatsoever.

William Robb



it's up to us individually to resist it. 


Earlier this evening I went to an event organised by the Royal Photographic
Society Visual Journalism Group, in which Lord (Dennis) Healey showed his
photos and answered questions. He's 93 now, but he is one of the most senior
British politicians of the 2nd half of the 20th century, having held many of
the great offices of state, including Defence Secretary and Chancellor of
the Exchequer (Finance Minister) during most of the Vietnam era and the
height of the troubles in Northern Ireland. One of the questions was along
the lines of 'as a photographer and former Defence Secretary, do you think
the current state of security justifies stopping and arresting photographers
in Central London?' His answer was 'No - it's absolute rubbish'.


Did anyone ask if he was a Soviet mole?

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Re: Refconverter M

2010-07-08 Thread Bob Sullivan
Chris,
I dug out the Refconverter M today and put it on the K-7.
It worked completely.  The entire viewfinder was visible,
complete with the information fields at the bottom.
This is a plus since the Refconverter A has the bigger field of view.
The M's is big enough!  and at 2X you get magnification!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:
 Does anyone know whether one of these will work with a K7?

 Here's a picture from Boz's site (thanks Boz)
 http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/misc/focus/refconverter-M.jpg

 If you remove the rubber eyepiece from the K7, there's a slot there that
 matches the one on my MX viewfinder so it looks as though it's compatible.

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Another GESO: White Mountains

2010-07-08 Thread Mark Roberts
A couple of weeks ago Dr. Lisa and I took a week-long hiking trip into
the White Mountains of New Hampshire. Photo opportunities were
disappointing but I did get a few worth keeping:
http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/franconia1/index.html


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Re: PESO - 3D

2010-07-08 Thread Rick Womer
I really like:  colors, composition, use of DOF.

I don't like: harsh light on flowers and resulting shadows, especially on the 
pot.  This would be a wonderful shot with a more diffused flash.

Cheers,

Rick

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 Subject: PESO - 3D
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 7:22 AM
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11129734size=lg
 
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Re: Boris PESO 29 - Motion phases

2010-07-08 Thread Bob Sullivan
Boris,
I like the light in the first two portraits and the focus on the eyes
and his concentration.
The glass sphere is echoed in the spherical shape of his eyes.
I don't think the left side of the photo adds anything to the
composition.  Crop it out?
The third photo is weaker because of the light not modeling the
subject, no 3D to it.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello.

 Offering you a short series of three pictures starting a series of PESOs
 related to Mime Artists that paid our town a visit this week. What a
 fascinating sight it was for me.

 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/07/peso-2010-29-motion-phases.html

 Be brutal and honest, please!

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Re: PESO - Skate 3

2010-07-08 Thread Rick Womer
What Christine said.

Rick

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--- On Wed, 7/7/10, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Hi Ed:  I like it.  I might
 crop out the box on the right hand side. The rendering
 appears a little flat on my monitor--maybe more pop to the
 rendering?  You caught a good moment which makes for an
 interesting composition.  Cheers, Christine
 
 
 - Original Message - From: Ed Keeney ewkph...@gmail.com
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:29 AM
 Subject: PESO - Skate 3
 
 
  Channeling my inner Frank Theriault...
  
  http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/8s_0WOxKQocOg6WM-mmaqw?feat=directlink
  
  Comments and critiques always welcome.
  
  -- Thanks!
  Ed
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Re: Photographers not terrorists

2010-07-08 Thread Carlos R



El 08/07/2010 22:20, P N Stenquist escribió:
ce.


Good for you. It's not often that bystanders will stand up for the
oppressed. Bravo!




Ditto, good for you Ecke.

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Re: PESO - Pier

2010-07-08 Thread Rick Womer
sigh Not a drop of oil in sight, and the boat on the right has an electric 
motor.  It ought to be an antidote to Gulf pix!

Rick

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--- On Wed, 7/7/10, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Can't help but be reminded of the
 Gulf coast's BP event. Sorry, Rick!
 
 
 Jack
 
 --- On Wed, 7/7/10, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com
  Subject: PESO - Pier
  To: Pentax List pdml@pdml.net
  Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 6:42 PM
  This one is a bit more... ummm...
  abstract (?) than my usual.  We were on a small lake
 in
  the Adirondacks (mountains in northern New York State)
 last
  weekend, and I took this in harsh evening light.
  
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11237353size=lg
  
  (K7, FA 24-90, ISO 800, f/11 @ 1/90)
  
  Rick
  
  
  
        
  
  
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RE: Another GESO: White Mountains

2010-07-08 Thread Bob W
 A couple of weeks ago Dr. Lisa and I took a week-long hiking trip into
 the White Mountains of New Hampshire. Photo opportunities were
 disappointing but I did get a few worth keeping:
 http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/franconia1/index.html

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Re: Refconverter M

2010-07-08 Thread CheekyGeek
FYI: The Olympus Varimagni also fits Pentax DSLRs and gives you up to
2x at 90 degrees.

Darren Addy
Kearney, NE

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Chris,
 I dug out the Refconverter M today and put it on the K-7.
 It worked completely.  The entire viewfinder was visible,
 complete with the information fields at the bottom.
 This is a plus since the Refconverter A has the bigger field of view.
 The M's is big enough!  and at 2X you get magnification!
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net 
 wrote:
 Does anyone know whether one of these will work with a K7?

 Here's a picture from Boz's site (thanks Boz)
 http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/misc/focus/refconverter-M.jpg

 If you remove the rubber eyepiece from the K7, there's a slot there that
 matches the one on my MX viewfinder so it looks as though it's compatible.

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RE: Testing photography rules in Miami metrorail system

2010-07-08 Thread Bob W
[...]
 
 Did anyone ask if he was a Soviet mole?
 

I'm sure I'm not the only one who was thinking about it, but no - nobody
asked. Personally I don't think he was a mole. He left the party in 1939
over the von Ribbentrop pact, had an honourable war record, and could never
have been Minister of Defence if there had been any serious doubts about him
(unless MI6 were playing a very risky game indeed).

Incidentally, at 93 he is almost unrecognisably different from the jolly
silly billy of the 70s.

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Re: Photographers not terrorists

2010-07-08 Thread eckinator
2010/7/8 Cotty cotty...@mac.com:
 On 8/7/10, eckinator, discombobulated, unleashed:

 But all the while before and after the court sessions all
four kept pestering us in the hallway that they had done nothing wrong
and so on and bla bla and I think they actually believed it, too.

 This in itself is a criminal offense in the UK. Do they not have CCTV at
 the courts?

I can't say about now but in 1998 they did not. I guess it is an
offense here, too but I wouldn't know, I generally know the law very
poorly.
Cheers,
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Re: Photographers not terrorists

2010-07-08 Thread eckinator
2010/7/8 Carlos R carlos_r...@teleline.es:


 El 08/07/2010 22:20, P N Stenquist escribió:
 ce.

 Good for you. It's not often that bystanders will stand up for the
 oppressed. Bravo!



 Ditto, good for you Ecke.

Thank you Paul and Carlos. To be honest, I was feeling pretty bad
because I was one block of seats away when I heard them yell at him
and had no way to get over there but it gave me the time to talk to
the guy next to me to get him involved as well and we encouraged each
other enough to step in. I was still pretty scared because despite
having played some defense football, I've never been in a real fight
in my life but I don't consider it necessarily a defect.
Cheers
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Re: Another GESO: White Mountains

2010-07-08 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Pretty nice group...
But I MUST comment especially on this one :

http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/franconia1/7da02833.html

remembering our group pursuit on what may have been tho only blossoming 
Lady slipper at GFM back a couple years...


NOW you nailed it!!

Did a fair amount of hiking in NH , myself -- I know them waterfalls :)

ann


Mark Roberts wrote:


A couple of weeks ago Dr. Lisa and I took a week-long hiking trip into
the White Mountains of New Hampshire. Photo opportunities were
disappointing but I did get a few worth keeping:
http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/franconia1/index.html


 





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Re: PESO - Barn in Ålfoten

2010-07-08 Thread Ken Waller

I'd minimize the blank sky if it were mine, otherwise a very nice capture.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net


Subject: Re: PESO - Barn in Ålfoten


I like the tonality and the subject, but find the tilt distracting. I'd 
rotate it a bit counterclockwise to straighten the center verticals. 
However, some would say i'm obsessive about such things.


On Jul 8, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:


Your comment is spot on Boris. That's what I saw, a little piece of
America, out in Ålfoten.


MaritimTim

http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/



2010/7/8 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:

Tim, having visited Norway twice, I should point out that to me it looks
rather American than Norwegian. I am not entirely sure if it is of any
importance here *blush*, but this is my immediate reaction after having 
seen

it. It is still beautiful but oddly out of (your) place...

Boris


On 6/5/2010 3:23 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote:


http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/2010/06/lave-i-alfoten.html

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Re: PESO - 3D

2010-07-08 Thread paul stenquist
Thanks Rick. An interesting point. I don 't know if I could have gotten the 
flowers to pop out as powerfully against the background with diffused flash, 
but it's worth a try. This was essentially a grab shot, but I might try it 
again if the begonias cooperate. At the moment, they're suffering from five 90 
degree plus days in a row.

Paul


On Jul 8, 2010, at 4:43 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

 I really like:  colors, composition, use of DOF.
 
 I don't like: harsh light on flowers and resulting shadows, especially on the 
 pot.  This would be a wonderful shot with a more diffused flash.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rick
 
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Re: Another GESO: White Mountains

2010-07-08 Thread Mark Roberts
Ann Sanfedele wrote:

Pretty nice group...
But I MUST comment especially on this one :

http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/franconia1/7da02833.html

remembering our group pursuit on what may have been tho only blossoming 
Lady slipper at GFM back a couple years...

NOW you nailed it!!

Did a fair amount of hiking in NH , myself -- I know them waterfalls :)

I was thinking of our photo session with the GFM Lady's Slipper as I
shot that! I took about 20 shots of the one in NH (all I could manage
before the good doctor began to lose patience). I *think* that's the
best one but it'll take a while for me to decide for certain.


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Re: GESO -- Fireworks, July 4, 2010

2010-07-08 Thread Jack Davis
Nicely presented, Peter!

Jack

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 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
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 On 7/8/2010 1:47 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
  I finally got around to processing a few files of the
 actual fireworks.
  
  A small GESO generated automagicly by Photoshop, (I
 got a bit lazy).
 
 A link, a link, my kingdom for a link...
 
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/Fireworks%20July%204%2C%202010/index.htm
 
 The wise a**'s will beat me to it thought.
 
  
  Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds w/ smc Pentax FA 28-70mm
 f4.0 or smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0
  
  All the earlier talk about Raw Shooter made me a bit
 nostalgic, so I reinstalled RSE and used that as a
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 Just took a little effort to relearn the interface.
  
  As usual comments are welcome but may be totally
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Re: Another GESO: White Mountains

2010-07-08 Thread Ann Sanfedele



Mark Roberts wrote:


Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 


Pretty nice group...
But I MUST comment especially on this one :

http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/franconia1/7da02833.html

remembering our group pursuit on what may have been tho only blossoming 
Lady slipper at GFM back a couple years...


NOW you nailed it!!

Did a fair amount of hiking in NH , myself -- I know them waterfalls :)
   



I was thinking of our photo session with the GFM Lady's Slipper as I
shot that! 


LOL!  thats great...


I took about 20 shots of the one in NH (all I could manage
before the good doctor began to lose patience). 

Oh, I had many years of that!  (though I'd be happy to have them again, 
of course)

I offer the following... with translation...

 The light's not going to get any better [it's getting late and 
I'm tired and hungry]
There's nothing over there...(down a different road,e.g.)  [I wanna go 
this way]
 He (bird, lizzard, deer, ground squirrel.. etc.)  won't come back...[ 
this is getting boring ]
I think you got the best shots..   [I really need to find some nice 
clean facilities]


Things improved when he starting shoting, too :-)


I *think* that's the
best one but it'll take a while for me to decide for certain.


Well if it isn't I sure want to see what you think is better. :)

xo,
ann


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Re: Testing photography rules in Miami metrorail system

2010-07-08 Thread Doug Brewer

mike wilson wrote:


Did anyone ask if he was a Soviet mole?



I thought George figured out it was Haydon.

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Re: Another GESO: White Mountains

2010-07-08 Thread paul stenquist
A nice group. In regard to the Lady Slipper, I'd clone out that bug hole in the 
leaf. No one will know:-).
Paul
On Jul 8, 2010, at 8:22 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 
 Pretty nice group...
 But I MUST comment especially on this one :
 
 http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/franconia1/7da02833.html
 
 remembering our group pursuit on what may have been tho only blossoming 
 Lady slipper at GFM back a couple years...
 
 NOW you nailed it!!
 
 Did a fair amount of hiking in NH , myself -- I know them waterfalls :)
 
 I was thinking of our photo session with the GFM Lady's Slipper as I
 shot that! I took about 20 shots of the one in NH (all I could manage
 before the good doctor began to lose patience). I *think* that's the
 best one but it'll take a while for me to decide for certain.
 
 
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Re: Another GESO: White Mountains

2010-07-08 Thread Mark Roberts
paul stenquist wrote:

A nice group. In regard to the Lady Slipper, I'd clone out that bug hole in 
the leaf. No one will know:-).

That's not a bug hole -- it's a bug!

 http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/franconia1/7da02833.html

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PESO - Famous Brand

2010-07-08 Thread Rick Womer
In parts of the US, toilets and latrines are called crappers, allegedly in 
honor of their inventor, Thomas Crapper.

I frankly doubted this was the reason, until I came across this hardware in the 
gents' of a London pub:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11205916size=lg

Whadya know!  Still a going concern, too, apparently.

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Re: PESO - Famous Brand

2010-07-08 Thread Doug Franklin

On 2010-07-08 21:32, Rick Womer wrote:

In parts of the US, toilets and latrines are called crappers, allegedly in 
honor of their inventor, Thomas Crapper.

I frankly doubted this was the reason, until I came across this hardware in the 
gents' of a London pub:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11205916size=lg

Whadya know!  Still a going concern, too, apparently.


Etymology is a strange and wondrous thing. :-)

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Re: PESO - Famous Brand

2010-07-08 Thread Jack Davis
Don't think I'd have taken a chance on being discovered taking a photo of a 
bathroom sink. Yeah I know, there are worse. ;)

Jack

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 Subject: PESO - Famous Brand
 To: Pentax List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, July 8, 2010, 6:32 PM
 In parts of the US, toilets and
 latrines are called crappers, allegedly in honor of their
 inventor, Thomas Crapper.
 
 I frankly doubted this was the reason, until I came across
 this hardware in the gents' of a London pub:
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11205916size=lg
 
 Whadya know!  Still a going concern, too, apparently.
 
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Re: PESO: Segway Tour

2010-07-08 Thread Paul Sorenson

I wouldn't even bother.  They're hard to clean and they cook up tough.

-p

On 7/8/2010 12:51 PM, Bob W wrote:

you have to shoot their tyres out first so they can't make a quick getaway.

   

Julia's telling me that there are segway tours in Tel Aviv and
Jerusalem. I think I might either take one or shoot one ;-).

Boris


On 6/9/2010 11:44 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 

This group passed by while I was visiting the Capitol last weekend:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1924

Comments, Criticisms, Suggestions, Questions and Abuse all welcome.
   



   




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Re: PESO - Famous Brand

2010-07-08 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
http://www.snopes.com/business/names/crapper.asp

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 In parts of the US, toilets and latrines are called crappers, allegedly in 
 honor of their inventor, Thomas Crapper.

 I frankly doubted this was the reason, until I came across this hardware in 
 the gents' of a London pub:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11205916size=lg

 Whadya know!  Still a going concern, too, apparently.

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Re: PESO - Famous Brand

2010-07-08 Thread paul stenquist
HAR! Love it.
Paul

On Jul 8, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

 In parts of the US, toilets and latrines are called crappers, allegedly in 
 honor of their inventor, Thomas Crapper.
 
 I frankly doubted this was the reason, until I came across this hardware in 
 the gents' of a London pub:
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11205916size=lg
 
 Whadya know!  Still a going concern, too, apparently.
 
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PESO - Sweltering Night

2010-07-08 Thread frank theriault
You know it's a hot, humid night when condensation appears on your
glass of ice water:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/07/sweltering-night.html

Today whilst cycling around town, the hottest thermometer I saw
indicated 97F, around 36C.  With the humidex (how hot it actually
feels due to the humidity) the temps were well over 100F, 40C.

I figure I drank at least 6 to 8 litres of water while cycling, and
lots more ice water this evening (see photo above).

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Re: PESO - Sweltering Night

2010-07-08 Thread drd1135
Nicely done. I like the tonal range.  Hot here in Virginia as well, with a real 
gullywasher of a thunderstorm right now. 
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Subject: PESO - Sweltering Night

You know it's a hot, humid night when condensation appears on your
glass of ice water:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/07/sweltering-night.html

Today whilst cycling around town, the hottest thermometer I saw
indicated 97F, around 36C.  With the humidex (how hot it actually
feels due to the humidity) the temps were well over 100F, 40C.

I figure I drank at least 6 to 8 litres of water while cycling, and
lots more ice water this evening (see photo above).

cheers,
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PESO - For Jack

2010-07-08 Thread frank theriault
Do I recall you saying you like Red Winged Blackbirds?  I know I've
seen some wonderful photos of them from you, Jack.

Anyway, I saw this fellow not far from me and he co-operated long
enough for me to get this photo.  I fear I may have missed the focus
by about an inch.

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/red-winged-blackbird.html

*istD, M200mm f4.0, Manfrotto monopod.

Hope you like.  Comments welcome (from others as well as Jack).

;-)

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Re: PESO: Segway Tour

2010-07-08 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 This group passed by while I was visiting the Capitol last weekend:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1924

 Comments, Criticisms, Suggestions, Questions and Abuse all welcome.

Terrific photo - well composed, and that smile by the lead fellow only
adds to the dorkiness of the bunch.

;-)

I know they have their uses, but it's hard to look like anything but a
dweeb on one of them.

Personally, I think these folks should all be on bikes...

:-)

Fun shot!

cheers,
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Re: PESO: Segway Tour

2010-07-08 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 They do indeed exist.  I have seen them in New York, Washington,
 Baltimore and other tourist locations.

You can rent them at (at least) one tourist area of Toronto (The Old
Distillery District, for those of you who might know the area).

It's such a small area I fail to see the reason one would want to do
that, though...

cheers,
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Re: Another GESO: White Mountains

2010-07-08 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
 A couple of weeks ago Dr. Lisa and I took a week-long hiking trip into
 the White Mountains of New Hampshire. Photo opportunities were
 disappointing but I did get a few worth keeping:
 http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/franconia1/index.html

I hate you.

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Re: PESO - Sweltering Night

2010-07-08 Thread paul stenquist
Interesting subject. A little muddy in the rendering perhaps. No real 
highlights apparent.
Paul


On Jul 8, 2010, at 11:22 PM, frank theriault wrote:

 You know it's a hot, humid night when condensation appears on your
 glass of ice water:
 
 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/07/sweltering-night.html
 
 Today whilst cycling around town, the hottest thermometer I saw
 indicated 97F, around 36C.  With the humidex (how hot it actually
 feels due to the humidity) the temps were well over 100F, 40C.
 
 I figure I drank at least 6 to 8 litres of water while cycling, and
 lots more ice water this evening (see photo above).
 
 cheers,
 frank
 
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Re: PESO - Sweltering Night

2010-07-08 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 11:37 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 Interesting subject. A little muddy in the rendering perhaps. No real 
 highlights apparent.

Thanks, Paul.  I just did a quick adjustment with curves and I think
it has a bit more pop now.  Didn't bother with a new url, just
reposted at the same place.

cheers,
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RE: Refconverter M

2010-07-08 Thread Chris Mitchell
Thanks Bob, that's good.

And thanks to Ecke, PJ, John and Darren for your pearls of wisdom too. I'll
let you know if (probably when!) I acquire one.

Chris

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 Subject: Re: Refconverter M
 
 Chris,
 I dug out the Refconverter M today and put it on the K-7.
 It worked completely.  The entire viewfinder was visible,
 complete with the information fields at the bottom.
 This is a plus since the Refconverter A has the bigger field of view.
 The M's is big enough!  and at 2X you get magnification!
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
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 chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:
  Does anyone know whether one of these will work with a K7?
 
  Here's a picture from Boz's site (thanks Boz)
  http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/misc/focus/refconverter-M.jpg
 
  If you remove the rubber eyepiece from the K7, there's a slot there
 that
  matches the one on my MX viewfinder so it looks as though it's
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Re: Monitor advice wanted

2010-07-08 Thread David Mann
On Jul 9, 2010, at 12:34 AM, Peter Loveday wrote:

 If you're looking at Dells, I'm pretty happy with my Dell 24 U2408, but 
 recently ordered a 27 U2711 as Dell had a special which worked out to about 
 A$630, which I couldn't pass up.

I just looked at the Dell site.  The models I'm looking at are the U2410 
(NZ$1,099) and U2711 (NZ$1,799).  If I could get a price like that I wouldn't 
hesitate.

 The U2711 is also one of few monitors, along with the likes of the expensive 
 HP DreamColour series, that supports 30-bit colour.  This requires a quadro 
 level graphics card, though, so you'd be looking at a serious investment.

Probably not a bonus for me then as I'll be using it with my Macbook Pro.  I 
have a friend who owns a DreamColor display but I haven't had the pleasure of 
seeing it.

 Note the U2711 won't swivel with its supplied stand.  The U2410 will.

The only thing that really attracts me to the 27 is the higher pixel count.  
I'm intending to use it in fullscreen mode with the laptop display being used 
for toolboxes.  I get frustrated editing portrait-orientation photos on my wide 
laptop screen so being able to pivot the monitor around would be a bonus.  I 
could just buy a third-party stand for the 27.

Thanks a lot for your input.

Dave
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Re: Monitor advice wanted

2010-07-08 Thread David Mann
On Jul 9, 2010, at 12:21 AM, Doug Franklin wrote:

 On 2010-07-08 4:57, David Mann wrote:
 
 I'm planning to upgrade to a reasonably good LCD monitor in the near future. 
  Are there any models that offer high quality at good value?
 
 I /love/ my HP 2475w IPS monitor, but they're still a bit expensive at over 
 US$ 500 or so.

Thanks for that, it's actually quite a bit cheaper than the Dells I'm looking 
at (LP2475w = NZ$860) so is worth a look.  I'll do a bit of reading.

 I recently hooked up a PC to my LCD TV and was frankly shocked at the 
 pleasant rendition and color depth of the display.  And the /blacks/! On the 
 TV they're amazingly deep, even better than the 2475w.  And the TV is a 
 fairly cheap one.  But it made me think ... the 2475w is a 24 monitor that 
 goes for over US$ 500, but I could get a 27 or 28 1080p LCD TV for maybe US$ 
 350 on sale.  So I'm seriously thinking about doing that to see if the color 
 rendition is there.  If it is, I'll just buy TVs for high gamut monitors 
 for photo work. :-)

Interesting idea, I wonder if I could use that excuse to get a 60 plasma :)

Dave
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