Re: June PUG is up!

2011-06-09 Thread Boris Liberman
Thanks, Brian. There is a minor problem with this PUG. I really like
your Fog Lifting but to say so might be interpreted as soliciting
protectionism :-). Sorry, Bob, I had to put a smiley in here.

I also really like Ann's Window. On more than just immediate level,
both pictures are really alive in my eye.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 G'day' all.

 http://pug.komkon.org/


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Re: Multi-dimensional enablement

2011-06-09 Thread Anthony Farr

 I know it won't work with digital because of the sensor dimension ... bummer.


Are you sure of that?  Doesn't it just split the frame down the middle
into a left and right image?  Does the format size or the field of
view make any difference?

The only limitation that comes to mind is that you won't get a slide
for the viewer.  You'll need to print and view them by one of the
other viewing methods.  A nifty little piece of 3D freeware called
3DImages is here:
http://images-3d.software.informer.com/

I've used it to create anaglyph prints for red/blue glasses, which it
handles well and very easily.  It can make pairs for stereoscopes or
free viewing as well.

regards, Anthony

   Of what use is lens and light
    to those who lack in mind and sight
                                               (Anon)



On 7 June 2011 02:11, Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote:
 Just purchased a Pentax Stereo kit on eBay.
 Goals:
 1.  I'll use it with some film for the fun of it..
 I know it won't work with digital because of the sensor dimension ... bummer.

 2.  I wonder how well it will work with 4x5?  8x10?
 Some experimentation is in order ...
 First, shoot onto paper and see how it goes ...

 Sincerely,

 Collin Brendemuehl
 http://kerygmainstitute.org

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Re: OT Big light bucket

2011-06-09 Thread Ecke PDML
somehow the proportions remind me of the sigma 200-500/2.8

2011/6/9 Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com:
 For a bigger light bucket, look here:
 https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/yenJMKqKdm36wZ5baI3N-IVAR1uLUeGOz0brSBkp-SA?feat=directlink

 Zoomatar 240mm f1.2!

 Somebody shared this with the list a few years ago.  Fortunately I
 grabbed the picture because I've long ago lost the link.

 regards, Anthony

    Of what use is lens and light
     to those who lack in mind and sight
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 On 9 June 2011 11:28, Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote:
 Once in a while an odd lens shows itself.
 http://www.apug.org/forums/forum379/92353-big-fast-heavy-4x5-petzval-light-bucket-deluxe.html
 This one is 140mm f2.6.  Probably not much diff on the front than a 135/2.5, 
 but the back would be much larger to cover 4x5!

 Sincerely,

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Re: OT Big light bucket

2011-06-09 Thread Anthony Farr
On 9 June 2011 16:10, Ecke PDML overpenta...@googlemail.com wrote:
 somehow the proportions remind me of the sigma 200-500/2.8


Look again.  That's a Pentax 6x7 hiding behind the Zoomatar, not 35mm
or digital.

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Re: OT Big light bucket

2011-06-09 Thread Ecke PDML
right. but still it looks disproportionately massive is what I was saying =)

2011/6/9 Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com:
 On 9 June 2011 16:10, Ecke PDML overpenta...@googlemail.com wrote:
 somehow the proportions remind me of the sigma 200-500/2.8


 Look again.  That's a Pentax 6x7 hiding behind the Zoomatar, not 35mm
 or digital.

 regards, Anthony

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Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day

2011-06-09 Thread Ecke PDML
Yeah. BH and PF are looking to increase their FB likes. Not my cup of
tea personally but then I've already deleted my FB account once before
recreating it and now that facebook has added face recognition without
notifying me, I am on the verge of doing it again, except this time
for good.

2011/6/9 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
 Peter, to participate one has to have a FaceBook account. This
 condition seems to have been one of the reasons for a bit of a flame
 on PF with this regards...

 On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Peter Zalabai tim...@clancode.hu wrote:
 Pentaxforums is giving away a Limited lens for the WPD this year. Read more
 about the event at
 http://www.pentaxforums.com/World-Pentax-Day---June-18th,-2011-w/-Prize

 Cheers,
 .t

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Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day

2011-06-09 Thread Bulent Celasun
I was thinking of contributing but I dislike even the idea of joining FB.

It probably shows that I am not a potential customer of BH and a
target of ther marketing dept.
Oh my ;)

Bulent
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/
http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/bulentcelasun

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RE: PESO 2011 - 093 - GDG

2011-06-09 Thread Bob W
 The latest now available for viewing ...
 
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5813215709/in/photostream/lightbo
 x/
 or
   http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5813215709/
 
 Thanks for looking, comments appreciated. :-)
 
 Godfrey

that's great. 

B


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RE: safety and photography?

2011-06-09 Thread Bob W
 
 I remember my dad making a bank deposit in the '50's and we talked
 about his taking along a 38.

I was rather surprised on my first trip to Ethiopia going to the bank in
Axum to see that people had left their AK47s on the porch before going in.
They were guarded by an old man with a stick.

B




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Re: Where are the rumors?

2011-06-09 Thread Leon Altoff
Hi Boris,

I don't want to participate in growing the rumors, I'm just curious as
to if there is another camera on the horizon.  The Australian dollar
is doing well at the moment and it's possibly a good time to buy a new
camera, but if I buy one and then 2 months later they announce a
camera with even better low light abilities (which is really about the
only thing I can think of to add to the K-5 with the possible
exception of autofocus during videos), I'd feel a little cheated. I
know some people here get access to information and I was hoping to
get just a little suggestion of Not this year which seems to be the
consensus of opinion or maybe Just wait a few months it will be worth
it.

If I can't prove an upgrade is on the way by late August I will
probably head out and buy a K5, but I'm more of an early adopter than
buying the end of a line.

Leon


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 Leon, can it simply be that K-5 is good enough for like 90% of those
 who actively participated in rumours and pre-release discussions of
 K-7 and K-5? Or in other words, we don't have sufficiently many rumour
 perpetrators left for any rumours to get started...

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Re: safety and photography?

2011-06-09 Thread Ecke PDML
2011/6/9 Bob W p...@web-options.com:

 I was rather surprised on my first trip to Ethiopia going to the bank in
 Axum to see that people had left their AK47s on the porch before going in.
 They were guarded by an old man with a stick.

Markworthy IMO

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Re: safety and photography?

2011-06-09 Thread Ecke PDML
 2011/6/9 Bob W p...@web-options.com:

 I was rather surprised on my first trip to Ethiopia going to the bank in
 Axum to see that people had left their AK47s on the porch before going in.
 They were guarded by an old man with a stick.

If you have a gun you have to be prepared to use it. You don't have a
memory; your memory has you. I doubt even all my possessions combined
are worth dealing with that. Whenever you kill someone, two people die
IMO

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Enabled sigma 80-200 2.8 APO DG HSM EX

2011-06-09 Thread sky
Just got it off Fleabay. Is for my wife however :(
Heavy bit of Glass.  Very clean and smooth.

James



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Re: Enabled sigma 80-200 2.8 APO DG HSM EX

2011-06-09 Thread Ecke PDML
Congrats! IIRC there are two versions of that lens? if so, which one?
Enjoy!
Ecke

2011/6/9 sky s...@eftel.net.au:
 Just got it off Fleabay. Is for my wife however :(
 Heavy bit of Glass.  Very clean and smooth.

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Re: safety and photography?

2011-06-09 Thread Boris Liberman
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
 I was rather surprised on my first trip to Ethiopia going to the bank in
 Axum to see that people had left their AK47s on the porch before going in.
 They were guarded by an old man with a stick.

 B

Some of your life experiences may make a good book, Bob. And you know
- you do have a way with words...

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Re: Enabled sigma 80-200 2.8 APO DG HSM EX

2011-06-09 Thread sky
umm. I don't know. it doesn't have OS
it is 70-200mm 1:2.8 II macro hsm if that helps.
Is that good or bad

James



On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:35:49 +0200, Ecke PDML wrote:

Congrats! IIRC there are two versions of that lens? if so, which one?
Enjoy!
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Re: Enabled sigma 80-200 2.8 APO DG HSM EX

2011-06-09 Thread Ecke PDML
if it says II it is the newer version which I guess is usually good =)

I believe though that there is a pro grade and a consumer grade
version but I have no idea which letter soup denotes which... I am
saving all my pennies for (amongst other unobtainium) a DA*60-250 so I
haven't really been looking at other lenses at all.

but let me put it this way, more lenses are always good unless you're
fresh out of LBA clinic andyour camera wears an electronic lens mount
shackle =)

2011/6/9 sky s...@eftel.net.au:
 umm. I don't know. it doesn't have OS
 it is 70-200mm 1:2.8 II macro hsm if that helps.
 Is that good or bad

 James



 On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:35:49 +0200, Ecke PDML wrote:

Congrats! IIRC there are two versions of that lens? if so, which one?
Enjoy!
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Re: Peso Screened in

2011-06-09 Thread drd1135
I like that very much. 
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Now that is a good picture; at once elegant and surprising.  -T

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 11:14 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Lucy this morning

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13345830

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enablement feedback FA 28-105/3.2-4.5

2011-06-09 Thread Ecke PDML
looks OK, is in good shape, no zoom sliding and build quality seems ok
- focus ring has about a millimeter of axial play after af locks but
that may be normal. zoom ring is a snug fit, I can move it ever so
slightly if I try and there is nothing rattling when I shake it. glass
is clean and clear, too =)
Cheers
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Re: PESO - The Butcher Shop

2011-06-09 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:12 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Good one.

Thanks, Dave!

cheers,
frank

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Re: PESO - Squatter's Rights

2011-06-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
I've thought about getting of photo.net, but I have a couple thousand pics 
there.  If I did leave, I'd go to smugmug.
Paul


On Jun 9, 2011, at 12:51 AM, Tim Bray wrote:

 Lovely picture, very strong.
 
 You might want to consider migrating off photo.net, its pages look
 kind of dingy these days and the ads seem really obtrusive.  But maybe
 that's just me.  -T
 
 On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net 
 wrote:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13275436size=lg
 
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Re: enablement feedback FA 28-105/3.2-4.5

2011-06-09 Thread Boris Liberman
I'm glad for your, Ecke. I wasn't that successful.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Ecke PDML overpenta...@googlemail.com wrote:
 looks OK, is in good shape, no zoom sliding and build quality seems ok
 - focus ring has about a millimeter of axial play after af locks but
 that may be normal. zoom ring is a snug fit, I can move it ever so
 slightly if I try and there is nothing rattling when I shake it. glass
 is clean and clear, too =)
 Cheers
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Re: Enabled sigma 80-200 2.8 APO DG HSM EX

2011-06-09 Thread Boris Liberman
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Ecke PDML overpenta...@googlemail.com wrote:
 I believe though that there is a pro grade and a consumer grade
 version but I have no idea which letter soup denotes which... --

If I grok sigma letter soup rightly, EX means pro grade all the way through.

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Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day

2011-06-09 Thread Boris Liberman
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Ecke PDML overpenta...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Yeah. BH and PF are looking to increase their FB likes. Not my cup of
 tea personally but then I've already deleted my FB account once before
 recreating it and now that facebook has added face recognition without
 notifying me, I am on the verge of doing it again, except this time
 for good.

Recently I passed by a eCompany that would sell FB likes. Like (pun
intended) you pay them some bucks and they guarantee you so many more
FB likes. That would literally making money out of nothing. Later that
day I concocted a joke that money does not grow in trees, but it does
grow on binary trees.

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Re: June PUG is up!

2011-06-09 Thread Henk Terhell

Brian, thanks for the intro.
Let me then say, take a look at your 'Fog Lifting', which is a 
fascinating landscape.


Henk

Op 9-6-2011 0:35, Brian Walters schreef:

G'day' all.

http://pug.komkon.org/

(If you see the previous gallery when you click that link, refresh the
page in your browser).

Some great stuff there and I can't pick a favourite but you really have
to take a look at Henk's Hi, I'm your new neighbour!...




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Re: enablement feedback FA 28-105/3.2-4.5

2011-06-09 Thread Ecke PDML
Well I've yet to take some test shots but I appreciate your caring =)
Perhaps you and I should start a business - I buy lenses here, return
bad and keep good samples, and you sell those there at a huge premium
=)

2011/6/9 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
 I'm glad for your, Ecke. I wasn't that successful.

 On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Ecke PDML overpenta...@googlemail.com wrote:
 looks OK, is in good shape, no zoom sliding and build quality seems ok
 - focus ring has about a millimeter of axial play after af locks but
 that may be normal. zoom ring is a snug fit, I can move it ever so
 slightly if I try and there is nothing rattling when I shake it. glass
 is clean and clear, too =)
 Cheers
 Ecke
 (happy camper)

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Re: Enabled sigma 80-200 2.8 APO DG HSM EX

2011-06-09 Thread Ecke PDML
Great! short for EXcellent maybe =)

2011/6/9 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
 On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Ecke PDML overpenta...@googlemail.com 
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 If I grok sigma letter soup rightly, EX means pro grade all the way through.

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Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day

2011-06-09 Thread Ecke PDML
so true. they probably have an army of professional FB likers on their
payroll. likely the same people who build WoW accounts etc...

2011/6/9 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
 On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Ecke PDML overpenta...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Yeah. BH and PF are looking to increase their FB likes. Not my cup of
 tea personally but then I've already deleted my FB account once before
 recreating it and now that facebook has added face recognition without
 notifying me, I am on the verge of doing it again, except this time
 for good.

 Recently I passed by a eCompany that would sell FB likes. Like (pun
 intended) you pay them some bucks and they guarantee you so many more
 FB likes. That would literally making money out of nothing. Later that
 day I concocted a joke that money does not grow in trees, but it does
 grow on binary trees.

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PESO: PDML at Grandfather Mountain 2011

2011-06-09 Thread John Sessoms
Everyone who stayed around to the bitter end for the group photo. I was 
told it's the 10th anniversary. I don't really know, it's only my third 
time.


I apologize in advance if I've gotten any of the names wrong. Please let 
me know and I'll make the necessary correction.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/5815090734

Next year either someone else who knows what they're doing can shoot the 
group photo or someone needs to remind me to get everyone in the shade 
or everyone in the sun.


In my defense, sunshiny weather at Grandfather Mountain is an unfamiliar 
phenomenon and I haven't learned how to deal with it.




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Re: OT: International ATT Ads

2011-06-09 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
That is incorrect.

I worked with the old ATT for decades. It was a great client to work
for, and their service was first class.   When divestiture occurred,
the operating telephone companies were divided up geographically into
small units.  Over the years, the baby bells consolidated.   Verizon
is one of the largest of these new entities, and in some ways the
closest to the old Ma Bell.

The research and other telecommunications companies were largely spun
off as Lucent, which has since imploded.  What remained was designed
to be a manufacturing company, aimed at the computer markets,
primarily business computers.  Their products were horrible, however,
and ATT collapsed.  They sold off most of their computer business,
and bought a small wireless company which they rebranded as ATT
wireless.  That company was totally unrelated to the old telecom, and
clashed with the corporate culture.

Another of the old telecoms was Southwestern Bell, which grew faster
than Verizon and eventually became the largest provided of land line
phones.  After the new ATT spun off its cell phone company as ATT
wireless, what little was left of the old giant was sold to
Southwestern, which mostly acquired its rights to the ATT name and
logo.  Finally, Southwestern bought the failing ATT Wireless, which
always was a separate company, and merged it into what was then called
the New ATT.  That company shares virtually none of the personnel
or corporate culture off the old ATT, which for all practical
purposes disappeared decades ago.

By most independent evaluations, Verizon has the best cell phone
service in the US, and the new ATT the worst.  The latter was
supported for years by its exclusive contract with Apple for the
iPhone, but now both market that very popular product.  ATT and
Verizon together dominate the telephone business of the US.  If they
were to merge, that would in some respect resurrect the old Giant, but
one can never put Humpty-Dumpty together again.

Dan

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 10:53 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 From: Daniel J. Matyola

It's the same ATT that was left after being forced to divest the local
 operating companies ... which for the most part they've acquired once again.

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Re: PESO: PDML at Grandfather Mountain 2011

2011-06-09 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 8:46 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/5815090734

Mark needs more gray in his beard.

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Sensor Dust Removal

2011-06-09 Thread Jack Davis
A few minutes ago I tried activating the ultra sonic Dust Removal on the K5 for 
the first time, but detect no vibration. Have tried it several times, changed 
to a fully charges battery and..nothing. Hate to send it in for this, but it's 
under warranty and is supposed to work.
Anyone else had such a problem? Any suggestions?
I do intend to call Pentax Customer Service this AM, but thought I'd first mine 
the extreme depth of talent available in the PDML.

Thanks!

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Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day

2011-06-09 Thread John Sessoms

From: Boris Liberman


On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Ecke PDML overpenta...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Yeah. BH and PF are looking to increase their FB likes. Not my cup of
 tea personally but then I've already deleted my FB account once before
 recreating it and now that facebook has added face recognition without
 notifying me, I am on the verge of doing it again, except this time
 for good.


Recently I passed by a eCompany that would sell FB likes. Like (pun
intended) you pay them some bucks and they guarantee you so many more
FB likes. That would literally making money out of nothing. Later that
day I concocted a joke that money does not grow in trees, but it does
grow on binary trees.


I refuse to use FaceBook.

My introduction to Facebook for Photographers was 3 days of marketing 
presentations that all boiled down to how to evade FaceBook's TOS to 
become friends with school kids so you could beat them up and steal 
their lunch money.


Or worse yet, USE your new friends to beat up other kids and steal 
their lunch money for you.


I ain't gonna' have nothin' to do that.


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Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day

2011-06-09 Thread Boris Liberman
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:12 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 I refuse to use FaceBook.

Take it or leave it, John, but like written in Hebrew letters
meaning to like something on Facebook/Twitter or some such seemingly
is becoming a new word in the language here...


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Re: Where are the rumors?

2011-06-09 Thread William Robb

On 09/06/2011 1:28 AM, Leon Altoff wrote:

Hi Boris,

I don't want to participate in growing the rumors, I'm just curious as
to if there is another camera on the horizon.  The Australian dollar
is doing well at the moment and it's possibly a good time to buy a new
camera, but if I buy one and then 2 months later they announce a
camera with even better low light abilities (which is really about the
only thing I can think of to add to the K-5 with the possible
exception of autofocus during videos), I'd feel a little cheated. I
know some people here get access to information and I was hoping to
get just a little suggestion of Not this year which seems to be the
consensus of opinion or maybe Just wait a few months it will be worth
it.

If I can't prove an upgrade is on the way by late August I will
probably head out and buy a K5, but I'm more of an early adopter than
buying the end of a line.

When I was talking to the rep last month, he mentioned that the K5 would 
be taking them through to 2012 at least.

I wouldn't expect another camera for a year or so.

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Re: safety and photography?

2011-06-09 Thread Doug Franklin

On 2011-06-09 3:19, Bob W wrote:


I remember my dad making a bank deposit in the '50's and we talked
about his taking along a 38.


I was rather surprised on my first trip to Ethiopia going to the bank in
Axum to see that people had left their AK47s on the porch before going in.
They were guarded by an old man with a stick.


Photo or it didn't happen. :-)

That /is/ one of the funniest things I've heard in a long time, though.

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Sensor Dust Remioval II

2011-06-09 Thread Jack Davis
Is it possible that it is working, but since it's termed ultra sonic it's not 
emitting a sound humans can hear?

Jack

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Re: Sensor Dust Removal

2011-06-09 Thread William Robb

On 09/06/2011 7:07 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

A few minutes ago I tried activating the ultra sonic Dust Removal on the K5 for 
the first time, but detect no vibration. Have tried it several times, changed 
to a fully charges battery and..nothing. Hate to send it in for this, but it's 
under warranty and is supposed to work.
Anyone else had such a problem? Any suggestions?
I do intend to call Pentax Customer Service this AM, but thought I'd first mine 
the extreme depth of talent available in the PDML.

Thanks!

Jack


I can't hear the dust removal in mine, but my dog seems able to.
I think perhaps it really is an ultrasonic vibration.
Certainly it is more refined than the hammering method that the K10 and 
K20 used.


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Re: Sensor Dust Removal

2011-06-09 Thread Dario Bonazza
The K-5 dust removal uses a piezoelectric device, not the sensor-shaking 
type of other Pentax DSLR's. You cannot detect it while it works.

Dario

- Original Message - 
From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com

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Subject: Sensor Dust Removal


A few minutes ago I tried activating the ultra sonic Dust Removal on the K5 
for the first time, but detect no vibration. Have tried it several times, 
changed to a fully charges battery and..nothing. Hate to send it in for 
this, but it's under warranty and is supposed to work.

Anyone else had such a problem? Any suggestions?
I do intend to call Pentax Customer Service this AM, but thought I'd first 
mine the extreme depth of talent available in the PDML.


Thanks!

Jack

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Re: Sensor Dust Removal

2011-06-09 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks on both you, Dario and Bill!!

Good news!

Jack

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 Subject: Re: Sensor Dust Removal
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, June 9, 2011, 6:23 AM
 The K-5 dust removal uses a
 piezoelectric device, not the sensor-shaking type of other
 Pentax DSLR's. You cannot detect it while it works.
 Dario
 
 - Original Message - From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 3:07 PM
 Subject: Sensor Dust Removal
 
 
  A few minutes ago I tried activating the ultra sonic
 Dust Removal on the K5 for the first time, but detect no
 vibration. Have tried it several times, changed to a fully
 charges battery and..nothing. Hate to send it in for this,
 but it's under warranty and is supposed to work.
  Anyone else had such a problem? Any suggestions?
  I do intend to call Pentax Customer Service this AM,
 but thought I'd first mine the extreme depth of talent
 available in the PDML.
  
  Thanks!
  
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Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day

2011-06-09 Thread William Robb

On 09/06/2011 12:48 AM, Bulent Celasun wrote:



It probably shows that I am not a potential customer of BH and a
target of ther marketing dept.
Oh my ;)


If I'm buying grey market, I tend to use Adorama. Nothing really wrong 
with BH, but Henry Posner (their face on the internet) can be a bit of 
a dick, and that colours my attitude towards giving his employer money.


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Re: Where are the rumors?

2011-06-09 Thread David Parsons
Eh, it's like computers, you have to buy when you are ready, not when
the camera you really want is ready.  If you keep waiting, you'll
never get one.

You can always sell and upgrade when the new camera comes out.


On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 3:28 AM, Leon Altoff leon.alt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Boris,

 I don't want to participate in growing the rumors, I'm just curious as
 to if there is another camera on the horizon.  The Australian dollar
 is doing well at the moment and it's possibly a good time to buy a new
 camera, but if I buy one and then 2 months later they announce a
 camera with even better low light abilities (which is really about the
 only thing I can think of to add to the K-5 with the possible
 exception of autofocus during videos), I'd feel a little cheated. I
 know some people here get access to information and I was hoping to
 get just a little suggestion of Not this year which seems to be the
 consensus of opinion or maybe Just wait a few months it will be worth
 it.

 If I can't prove an upgrade is on the way by late August I will
 probably head out and buy a K5, but I'm more of an early adopter than
 buying the end of a line.

 Leon


 On 9 June 2011 15:05, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

 Leon, can it simply be that K-5 is good enough for like 90% of those
 who actively participated in rumours and pre-release discussions of
 K-7 and K-5? Or in other words, we don't have sufficiently many rumour
 perpetrators left for any rumours to get started...

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Re: Where are the rumors?

2011-06-09 Thread Boris Liberman
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:19 PM, William Robb
anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 When I was talking to the rep last month, he mentioned that the K5 would be
 taking them through to 2012 at least.
 I wouldn't expect another camera for a year or so.

There's a rumour that Sony will be announcing 24 MP APS-C sensor soon
enough. There is no knowing if this is correct and if Pentax will get
their hands on this sensor and when. I feel like siding with Godfrey
here - K-5 is quite fine and although there are things to improve,
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Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day

2011-06-09 Thread Boris Liberman
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:30 PM, William Robb
anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 If I'm buying grey market, I tend to use Adorama. Nothing really wrong with
 BH, but Henry Posner (their face on the internet) can be a bit of a dick,
 and that colours my attitude towards giving his employer money.

Not trying to defend BH in any way, but I do marvel at your use of
expletives, William. Sometimes it is bloody hilarious or even fucking
unbelievable... But then again, we are on the different sides of Great
Linguistic Divide anyway...

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Re: GESO: Driftwood Triptych

2011-06-09 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Wonderful patterns, subtle and pleasing colors.  I like them very much.

Dan

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 Details of a big driftlog:
 http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2011/06/08/Driftwood-Triptych

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Re: Enabled sigma 80-200 2.8 APO DG HSM EX

2011-06-09 Thread Thibouille
If I remember correctly as for the Sigma 70-200/2.8, here are the
different modern versions:

- 70-200/2.8 EX DG
- 70-200/2.8 EX DG Macro II (a bit less good than the former)
- 70-200/2.8 EX DG Macro HSM (which really wasn't HSM in its Pentax
version but often refered as being HSM in shops)
- 70-200/2.8 EX DG Macro HSM II (indeed HSM in Pentax version this time)
- 70-200/2.8 DG Macro HSM OS (why not EX, I dunno but OS means
internal stabilization like Canon IS).

2011/6/9 Ecke PDML overpenta...@googlemail.com:
 Great! short for EXcellent maybe =)

 2011/6/9 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
 On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Ecke PDML overpenta...@googlemail.com 
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 I believe though that there is a pro grade and a consumer grade
 version but I have no idea which letter soup denotes which... --

 If I grok sigma letter soup rightly, EX means pro grade all the way through.

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Re: Where are the rumors?

2011-06-09 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
- Mensaje original -

 De: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com
 There's a rumour that Sony will be announcing 24 MP APS-C sensor soon
 enough. There is no knowing if this is correct and if Pentax will get
 their hands on this sensor and when. I feel like siding with Godfrey
 here - K-5 is quite fine and although there are things to improve,
 they're mostly bug fixing.


Boris,

I would like to hear a bit more about the K5 'bugs' that you mention.

As you know I am considering to upgrade, although recently I am not sure 
if I should move to yet another DSLR (very similar in weight and bulk to my 
current K20D) or take a more seriously look at the mirrorless world despite my 
EVF allergy. I am looking for similar IQ in a more compact package with the 
bonus of a better video mode (I don't shoot to much viedo but that's partly 
because i am lazy to carry also my miniDV camera, that is is also 
starting to fail in its mechanical side).

Regards,

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Re: Where are the rumors?

2011-06-09 Thread Paul Stenquist

On Jun 9, 2011, at 10:35 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:

 - Mensaje original -
 
 De: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com
 There's a rumour that Sony will be announcing 24 MP APS-C sensor soon
 enough. There is no knowing if this is correct and if Pentax will get
 their hands on this sensor and when. I feel like siding with Godfrey
 here - K-5 is quite fine and although there are things to improve,
 they're mostly bug fixing.
 
 
 Boris,
 
 I would like to hear a bit more about the K5 'bugs' that you mention.
 
 As you know I am considering to upgrade, although recently I am not sure 
 if I should move to yet another DSLR (very similar in weight and bulk to my 
 current K20D) or take a more seriously look at the mirrorless world despite 
 my EVF allergy. I am looking for similar IQ in a more compact package with 
 the bonus of a better video mode (I don't shoot to much viedo but that's 
 partly 
 because i am lazy to carry also my miniDV camera, that is is also 
 starting to fail in its mechanical side).
 
 Regards,
 
 Jaume
 

I've racked up 20,000 frames on a K5, and I'm not aware of any bugs, but 
perhaps they elude me due to my work methods. I also use it quite a bit for 
video and find it excellent in that regard, although I'm not an accomplished 
video shooter by any means.
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Re: Multi-dimensional enablement

2011-06-09 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 04:02:44PM +1000, Anthony Farr wrote:
 
  I know it won't work with digital because of the sensor dimension ... 
  bummer.
 
 
 Are you sure of that?  Doesn't it just split the frame down the middle
 into a left and right image?  Does the format size or the field of
 view make any difference?

Yes, it makes a difference, but not one impossible to overcome.

The adapter is designed to produce left and right images covering the
same field of view on one frame of film.  Just using that on a smaller
sensor will lose the left third of the field of view from one half,
and the right third of the field of view from the other. This means
the only part of the field of view in both parts is the central third.

The way to compensate for that is simple; use a lens which covers the
same field of view on the smaller sensor as the lens for which the
adapter was designed when it is used on a full-frame sensor.

I believe the adapter was designed for use with a 50mm  or 55mm lens.
That means you should use something like a 35mm lens on APS-C,
I'd expect anything in the 31mm - 40mm range would work just fine.



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Re: PESO 2011 - 093 - GDG

2011-06-09 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
That is a riot!

A great find, and very well executed.

Dan

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote:
 The latest now available for viewing ...

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5813215709/in/photostream/lightbox/
 or
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5813215709/

 Thanks for looking, comments appreciated. :-)

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Re: June PUG is up!

2011-06-09 Thread Bran Everseeking
On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 08:35:14 +1000
Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 G'day' all.
 
 http://pug.komkon.org/
 
 (If you see the previous gallery when you click that link, refresh the
 page in your browser).
 
 Some great stuff there and I can't pick a favourite but you really
 have to take a look at Henk's Hi, I'm your new neighbour!...

I notice that I noted the wrong lens on my shot it was the last shot I
took with the 18-55 before switching to the 100 mm macro

Naomi's shot charms me because I see her not my wrinkled eye.

George V's Garden cat can watch work for hours...

the leading lines in Filip's shot really work well for me this morning

and finally Brian W's Fog Lifting is wonderful.  I want to have taken
it and have it on a wall and be able to say my house is in the fog just
over there...


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Re: Where are the rumors?

2011-06-09 Thread Boris Liberman

On 6/9/2011 10:28, Leon Altoff wrote:

Hi Boris,

I don't want to participate in growing the rumors, I'm just curious as
to if there is another camera on the horizon.  The Australian dollar
is doing well at the moment and it's possibly a good time to buy a new
camera, but if I buy one and then 2 months later they announce a
camera with even better low light abilities (which is really about the
only thing I can think of to add to the K-5 with the possible
exception of autofocus during videos), I'd feel a little cheated. I
know some people here get access to information and I was hoping to
get just a little suggestion of Not this year which seems to be the
consensus of opinion or maybe Just wait a few months it will be worth
it.


I see. It is very hard to say. I think it mostly depends on the person, 
really. Some are content with buying whatever gear they have to choose 
from at the moment. Others are more of an early adopter kind. K-5 is a 
good, sound, solid camera. Will the next model be better - very likely. 
But that's entirely Captain Triviality talk.



If I can't prove an upgrade is on the way by late August I will
probably head out and buy a K5, but I'm more of an early adopter than
buying the end of a line.


I don't think an upgrade is coming within 2 months from now. Mostly I 
base my opinion on the fact that both K-7 and K-5 had a lot of PR going 
for them before they were introduced. Like the web page that showed a 
silhouette of a camera slowly revealing it day by day and rumours and 
forum flame wars (which I believe were instigated by some people who 
knew but were under NDA and so they played the linguistics games), etc. 
It is all quiet now, so it may be that K-5 is here to say for some while.


Boris

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Re: Where are the rumors?

2011-06-09 Thread Boris Liberman

On 6/9/2011 17:35, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:

Boris,

I would like to hear a bit more about the K5 'bugs' that you
mention.


I replied off-list because I don't want to start yet another flame, no 
matter how small or big.


Boris

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Re: Where are the rumors?

2011-06-09 Thread Boris Liberman

On 6/9/2011 18:31, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I've racked up 20,000 frames on a K5, and I'm not aware of any bugs,
but perhaps they elude me due to my work methods. I also use it quite
a bit for video and find it excellent in that regard, although I'm
not an accomplished video shooter by any means. Paul


Paul, is there a way in which I can convince you to part with your DA* 
16-50/2.8 for my benefit?


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Re: Driftwood Triptych

2011-06-09 Thread Ken Waller

Well captured !

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- Original Message - 
From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com

Subject: GESO: Driftwood Triptych



Details of a big driftlog:
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2011/06/08/Driftwood-Triptych



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Re: Sensor Dust Removal

2011-06-09 Thread Ken Waller

Did you have visible dust before activating 'Dust Removal' ?

Is the dust - if present before - still visible ?



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- Original Message - 
From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com

Subject: Sensor Dust Removal


A few minutes ago I tried activating the ultra sonic Dust Removal on the K5 
for the first time, but detect no vibration. Have tried it several times, 
changed to a fully charges battery and..nothing. Hate to send it in for 
this, but it's under warranty and is supposed to work.

Anyone else had such a problem? Any suggestions?
I do intend to call Pentax Customer Service this AM, but thought I'd first 
mine the extreme depth of talent available in the PDML.


Thanks!

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Re: Where are the rumors?

2011-06-09 Thread Darren Addy
Somehow I missed the news that the K-x was being discontinued (in
Japan) and is getting harder to find here. Wonder if they are planning
a replacement for it or if the product line is being shrunk to small
(K-r) medium (K-5) and large (645D). If there was a new model coming
out, I would expect it to replace the K-x.

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PESO - Gas Sipper

2011-06-09 Thread frank theriault
Another slice o' life from Toronto:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/06/about-to-board.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.

cheers,
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Re: Where are the rumors?

2011-06-09 Thread Paul Sorenson

Did I miss something?  I thought the K-r was the K-x replacement.

-p

On 6/9/2011 1:09 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Somehow I missed the news that the K-x was being discontinued (in
Japan) and is getting harder to find here. Wonder if they are planning
a replacement for it or if the product line is being shrunk to small
(K-r) medium (K-5) and large (645D). If there was a new model coming
out, I would expect it to replace the K-x.

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Re: PESO 2011 - 093 - GDG

2011-06-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5813215709/in/photostream/lightbox/
 or
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5813215709/

Thanks for all your comments!  :-)

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RE: safety and photography?

2011-06-09 Thread Bob W
 If you have a gun you have to be prepared to use it. You don't have a
 memory; your memory has you. I doubt even all my possessions combined
 are worth dealing with that. Whenever you kill someone, two people die
 IMO

the possessions may not be worth killing someone for, but your dignity and
right not to be pushed around may well be. 

I don't know if you've ever had to deal with bullies, but if you went to a
boarding school, as I did, you'd observe quite quickly that the population
was divided into bullies, victims and people who stood up for themselves. As
long as there were people willing to be victims, there were bullies. But the
bullies only ever tried it once on those of us who stood up for ourselves;
even if we took a beating they found it wasn't worth their own pain to try
again.

Having said that, I wouldn't carry a gun or knife either, unless I really
knew how to use them and was prepared to do so. It makes far more sense to
learn to defend yourself with whatever is to hand.

B


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Re: Where are the rumors?

2011-06-09 Thread Darren Addy
They were offered side-by-side for quite a while, so I didn't consider
it a replacement, but maybe Pentax did.
The K-r was introduced in Sept. 2010 and the K-x wasn't discontinued
until the end of March 2011. As one author opined on his blog: It
would have been a mistake to replace the K-x with a totally redesigned
DSLR because of its popularity. So the Pentax K-r was born, but with
the same heart, the 12.4mp CMOS sensor.

I guess that is the question: Is the K-r the new entry level or is
there going to be a new one below it (the spot the K-x formerly
occupied)?

Darren Addy
Kearney, Nebraska


On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Paul Sorenson pentax1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Did I miss something?  I thought the K-r was the K-x replacement.

 -p

 On 6/9/2011 1:09 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

 Somehow I missed the news that the K-x was being discontinued (in
 Japan) and is getting harder to find here. Wonder if they are planning
 a replacement for it or if the product line is being shrunk to small
 (K-r) medium (K-5) and large (645D). If there was a new model coming
 out, I would expect it to replace the K-x.

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Re: safety and photography?

2011-06-09 Thread Scott Loveless
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:

 Having said that, I wouldn't carry a gun or knife either, unless I really
 knew how to use them and was prepared to do so. It makes far more sense to
 learn to defend yourself with whatever is to hand.

Like the guy with the stick.  He had a stack of assault rifles to fall back on.

:)

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RE: 18/06 - World Pentax Day

2011-06-09 Thread Bob W
 On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:30 PM, William Robb
 anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
  If I'm buying grey market, I tend to use Adorama. Nothing really
 wrong with
  BH, but Henry Posner (their face on the internet) can be a bit of a
 dick,
  and that colours my attitude towards giving his employer money.
 
 Not trying to defend BH in any way, but I do marvel at your use of
 expletives, William. Sometimes it is bloody hilarious or even fucking
 unbelievable... But then again, we are on the different sides of Great
 Linguistic Divide anyway...
 
 --
 Boris

a little language tip for you, Boris. Nobody says fucking unbelievable.
It's always un-fuckin'-believable.

Even my granny says it that way, and she's 115.

B


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Re: Sensor Dust Removal

2011-06-09 Thread Jack Davis
Yes, I did see some spots. Yes, the sensor is now spotless. Had done Dust 
Removal several times trying to get it to work..before I found out that it 
was..and confirmed the absence of any spots with Dust Alert.

Jack

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 From: Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com
 Subject: Re: Sensor Dust Removal
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, June 9, 2011, 11:02 AM
 Did you have visible dust before
 activating 'Dust Removal' ?
 
 Is the dust - if present before - still visible ?
 
 
 
 Kenneth Waller
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 - Original Message - From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Sensor Dust Removal
 
 
  A few minutes ago I tried activating the ultra sonic
 Dust Removal on the K5 for the first time, but detect no
 vibration. Have tried it several times, changed to a fully
 charges battery and..nothing. Hate to send it in for this,
 but it's under warranty and is supposed to work.
  Anyone else had such a problem? Any suggestions?
  I do intend to call Pentax Customer Service this AM,
 but thought I'd first mine the extreme depth of talent
 available in the PDML.
  
  Thanks!
  
  Jack
 
 
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Re: Sensor Dust Removal

2011-06-09 Thread Ken Waller

Glad it worked for you.

I used to have dust removal activate on camera startup, but with so little 
dust accumulating I've dialed it back to only activate on my command.


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: Sensor Dust Removal


Yes, I did see some spots. Yes, the sensor is now spotless. Had done 
Dust Removal several times trying to get it to work..before I found out 
that it was..and confirmed the absence of any spots with Dust Alert.


Jack

--- On Thu, 6/9/11, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:


From: Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com
Subject: Re: Sensor Dust Removal
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Date: Thursday, June 9, 2011, 11:02 AM
Did you have visible dust before
activating 'Dust Removal' ?

Is the dust - if present before - still visible ?



Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com
Subject: Sensor Dust Removal


 A few minutes ago I tried activating the ultra sonic
Dust Removal on the K5 for the first time, but detect no
vibration. Have tried it several times, changed to a fully
charges battery and..nothing. Hate to send it in for this,
but it's under warranty and is supposed to work.
 Anyone else had such a problem? Any suggestions?
 I do intend to call Pentax Customer Service this AM,
but thought I'd first mine the extreme depth of talent
available in the PDML.

 Thanks!

 Jack



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Re: Where are the rumors?

2011-06-09 Thread Thibouille
What would be fine for me is as follows:
use and improve the Eos RT system which is a fixed translucent mirror
like Sony SLT but keeps the optical VF.
Add an hybrid VF a la Fuji and you have both EVF and OvF and both
Phase detect af and contrast af.

That would be awesome IMO.

Le jeudi 9 juin 2011, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com a écrit :
 On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:19 PM, William Robb
 anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 When I was talking to the rep last month, he mentioned that the K5 would be
 taking them through to 2012 at least.
 I wouldn't expect another camera for a year or so.

 There's a rumour that Sony will be announcing 24 MP APS-C sensor soon
 enough. There is no knowing if this is correct and if Pentax will get
 their hands on this sensor and when. I feel like siding with Godfrey
 here - K-5 is quite fine and although there are things to improve,
 they're mostly bug fixing.

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Re: safety and photography?

2011-06-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
It's a simplistic explanation. Chicago's gang problems are more a result of 
under-enforcement and looking the other way than of class warfare. The 
problem existed long before the rash of foreclosures. When I taught in Chicago 
high schools 30 years ago, it was already fermenting. But no one wanted to get 
tough with the gangs, they were coddled. Disenfranchised youth was a term 
kicked around way back then. No one drew a line in the sand and said, you can't 
behave that way. Now they're paying. We're all paying.

On Jun 9, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

 As Paul Harvey was want to say now here's the rest of the story on recent 
 wilding events
 
 Thanks for posting John.
 
 Kenneth Waller
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 - Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
 Subject: Re: safety and photography?
 
 
 From: Christine Aguila
 
 Chicago has been experiencing what is being called *flash mob* attacks in
 the downtown area and at one of the beaches that I've chosen for the beach
 project.  You can read about it in the Chicago Sun Times article here  if
 you want  http://tiny.cc/mnkxybut in a nutshell, large groups of
 teenagers attack victims and steal iPods and cell phones.  This is fairly
 new to Chicago, so the mayor and police have been vocal in reassuring
 Chicagoans that it's being dealt with.
 
 I'd be interested in knowing what safety strategies you employ when working
 in urban environments.
 
 Cheers, Christine
 
 Ran across this article with another Chicago perspective on what's going on. 
 According to the author there's a lot more than made the news.
 
 Additionally, read down far enough into the article, and you'll find it's 
 not just a Chicago problem.
 
 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janet-tavakoli/chicago-gang-violence-_b_873200.html
 
 We'll see if adding the angle brackets keeps the URL intact through the line 
 wrap ... if not here's a tinyURL:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/4x9qsrw
 
 
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Re: PESO: PDML at Grandfather Mountain 2011

2011-06-09 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Good to see Don looking better.. phew!

ann


John Sessoms wrote:

Everyone who stayed around to the bitter end for the group photo. I 
was told it's the 10th anniversary. I don't really know, it's only my 
third time.


I apologize in advance if I've gotten any of the names wrong. Please 
let me know and I'll make the necessary correction.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/5815090734

Next year either someone else who knows what they're doing can shoot 
the group photo or someone needs to remind me to get everyone in the 
shade or everyone in the sun.


In my defense, sunshiny weather at Grandfather Mountain is an 
unfamiliar phenomenon and I haven't learned how to deal with it.




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Re: Sensor Dust Removal

2011-06-09 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jun 9, 2011, at 14:39, Ken Waller wrote:

 Glad it worked for you.
 
 I used to have dust removal activate on camera startup, but with so little 
 dust accumulating I've dialed it back to only activate on my command.
 

Is there any disadvantage that anyone can think of to having it run every time 
on startup?  That's how I have the K7 set up right now.  

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Re: June PUG is up!

2011-06-09 Thread Igor Roshchin


I really liked Naomi's shot with the reflection in the eye!
My wife also enjoyed it.

I was puzzled at first by the new neighbor
(Henk Terhell), and it took a few moments to figure out what is what...
Great catch! (auto-sic!)

I also liked  Brian's fog and Ken Waller's sunset.
That sunset reminded me of my own (actually a series) with a similar
idea:
http://42graphy.org/galleries/1-Selected-2002-2009/100_0665.html

Thanks to all PUG submitters for the viewing pleasure!


Igor


On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 08:35:14 +1000
Brian Walters wrote:

 G'day' all.
 
 http://pug.komkon.org/
 

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Re: Where are the rumors?

2011-06-09 Thread Joseph McAllister
Of all the things the transition to DSLR has dropped on us old film folks, the 
hardest one for me to accept is a mirrorless camera. So I am not anticipating 
any new thrust into that arena by Pentax with longing. A smaller, lighter 
camera is for street shooting or grabs (IMHO). Though what I do most of the 
time is action shots of the canine variety, I think a lighter camera would 
accentuate my inability to hold my hands absolutely still. The weight of the 
K-7 helps in that regard.

Of course, I have the 60-250 attached much of the time, which gives me lots of 
stability at the longer focal lengths because of all that weight.

Joseph McAllister
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On Jun 8, 2011, at 14:35 , John Francis wrote:

 I doubt if a K-5 replacement is next on the Pentax front, anyway.
 As others have pointed out, a mirrorless camera system seems more
 likely to be the next product.  That, in turn, mill have an effect
 on the low-end DSLR market, and on the point-and-shoot market, so
 I would think a new model in one or both of those will come next.


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Re: safety and photography?

2011-06-09 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:54 , Cotty wrote:

 On 8/6/11, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 My philosophy for protection is to be as large as possible
 
 Anyone approaching Mike would do well to consider the probable option of
 having his/her legs pulled out of his/her mouth from the inside, tied
 into one of those poodle-balloon shapes and tossed into a dumpster - and
 that's just for starters!
 

What a bloody visceral image to ponder. Add a grinning clown for visual relief!


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Re: safety and photography?

2011-06-09 Thread Joseph McAllister

On Jun 8, 2011, at 15:34 , John Sessoms wrote:

 And, I have additional fall-back positions just in case.


Yeah, you do… Carrying a gun!


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Re: Where are the rumors?

2011-06-09 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 01:59:54PM -0700, Joseph McAllister wrote:
 Of all the things the transition to DSLR has dropped on us old film folks, 
 the hardest one for me to accept is a mirrorless camera.

There were mirrorless cameras long before digital came along, of course.  Some 
people see the advent of the digital mirrorless systems more as a return to the 
old ways.  The enthusiasm with which the X100 has been received certainly 
suggests that there is a market for mirrorless systems, quite apart from the 
success of the micro four thirds cameras.


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Re: Where are the rumors?

2011-06-09 Thread Steven Desjardins
I really don't see the DSLR going away for quite a while.  As John
said, we get the small camera back with RF style mirrorless bodies.
A DSLR and a MILC is a nice combo.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:
 Of all the things the transition to DSLR has dropped on us old film folks, 
 the hardest one for me to accept is a mirrorless camera. So I am not 
 anticipating any new thrust into that arena by Pentax with longing. A 
 smaller, lighter camera is for street shooting or grabs (IMHO). Though what I 
 do most of the time is action shots of the canine variety, I think a 
 lighter camera would accentuate my inability to hold my hands absolutely 
 still. The weight of the K-7 helps in that regard.

 Of course, I have the 60-250 attached much of the time, which gives me lots 
 of stability at the longer focal lengths because of all that weight.

 Joseph McAllister
 Pentaxian

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 On Jun 8, 2011, at 14:35 , John Francis wrote:

 I doubt if a K-5 replacement is next on the Pentax front, anyway.
 As others have pointed out, a mirrorless camera system seems more
 likely to be the next product.  That, in turn, mill have an effect
 on the low-end DSLR market, and on the point-and-shoot market, so
 I would think a new model in one or both of those will come next.


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Re: June PUG is up!

2011-06-09 Thread Steven Desjardins
Nice gallery.  I like the oranges.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:


 I really liked Naomi's shot with the reflection in the eye!
 My wife also enjoyed it.

 I was puzzled at first by the new neighbor
 (Henk Terhell), and it took a few moments to figure out what is what...
 Great catch! (auto-sic!)

 I also liked  Brian's fog and Ken Waller's sunset.
 That sunset reminded me of my own (actually a series) with a similar
 idea:
 http://42graphy.org/galleries/1-Selected-2002-2009/100_0665.html

 Thanks to all PUG submitters for the viewing pleasure!


 Igor


 On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 08:35:14 +1000
 Brian Walters wrote:

 G'day' all.

 http://pug.komkon.org/


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Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day

2011-06-09 Thread Steven Desjardins
ROTFL.  I had exactly the same thought.  I could even hear my inner
English teacher saying it in the correcting voice.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:30 PM, William Robb
 anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
  If I'm buying grey market, I tend to use Adorama. Nothing really
 wrong with
  BH, but Henry Posner (their face on the internet) can be a bit of a
 dick,
  and that colours my attitude towards giving his employer money.

 Not trying to defend BH in any way, but I do marvel at your use of
 expletives, William. Sometimes it is bloody hilarious or even fucking
 unbelievable... But then again, we are on the different sides of Great
 Linguistic Divide anyway...

 --
 Boris

 a little language tip for you, Boris. Nobody says fucking unbelievable.
 It's always un-fuckin'-believable.

 Even my granny says it that way, and she's 115.

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Re: PESO - Gas Sipper

2011-06-09 Thread Steven Desjardins
It looks like the old guy and bus are having a stare down.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:11 PM, frank theriault
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 Another slice o' life from Toronto:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/06/about-to-board.html

 Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.

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Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day

2011-06-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
BH's Posner is a good man. He has been unjustifiably attacked by a person  on 
this list. But his record is solid, and BH is probably the most reliable, most 
honest vendor in the camera biz.
Paul

On Jun 9, 2011, at 8:10 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 ROTFL.  I had exactly the same thought.  I could even hear my inner
 English teacher saying it in the correcting voice.
 
 On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:30 PM, William Robb
 anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 If I'm buying grey market, I tend to use Adorama. Nothing really
 wrong with
 BH, but Henry Posner (their face on the internet) can be a bit of a
 dick,
 and that colours my attitude towards giving his employer money.
 
 Not trying to defend BH in any way, but I do marvel at your use of
 expletives, William. Sometimes it is bloody hilarious or even fucking
 unbelievable... But then again, we are on the different sides of Great
 Linguistic Divide anyway...
 
 --
 Boris
 
 a little language tip for you, Boris. Nobody says fucking unbelievable.
 It's always un-fuckin'-believable.
 
 Even my granny says it that way, and she's 115.
 
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Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day

2011-06-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
I don't know anything about selling Facebook likes. I have a page on Facebook 
for my marketing company, and I've steadily accumulated followers. It's brought 
me a fair amount of work. 
BH markets on Facebook, rather unobtrusively in my opinion. Hell, any company 
who has any marketing savvy whatsoever works Facebook to their advantage, 
Pentax among them. 
Facebook does push the envelope. The facial recognition thing is meant to make 
it easy to tag photos. It's not a plot to spy on members. But it's tweaked some 
the wrong way. Fortunately,  one can easily opt out of it. No big deal for 
those who don't suffer from paranoia.

Paul


On Jun 9, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Ecke PDML overpenta...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Yeah. BH and PF are looking to increase their FB likes. Not my cup of
 tea personally but then I've already deleted my FB account once before
 recreating it and now that facebook has added face recognition without
 notifying me, I am on the verge of doing it again, except this time
 for good.
 
 Recently I passed by a eCompany that would sell FB likes. Like (pun
 intended) you pay them some bucks and they guarantee you so many more
 FB likes. That would literally making money out of nothing. Later that
 day I concocted a joke that money does not grow in trees, but it does
 grow on binary trees.
 
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Sigma 150mm macro lens

2011-06-09 Thread Mark Cassino
Hi Everyone -

It finally happened - my trusty old SMC A* 200mm macro developed a problem this 
past weekend, and there is clearly an issue in the linkage between the arm that 
controls the aperture and the aperture mechanism itself. I sent it off to 
Pentax 

in hopes that they can get it fixed up, and hopefully they can. But I may as 
well do some contingency planning as I await to hear form them...

The only viable option I see out there now is the Sigma 150mm f2.8 macro. Has 
anyone tried this lens? They state that it has a minimum focusing distance of 
15 

inches which is 1:1 magnification. So, minus the length of the lens (5 inches) 
it looks like there would be about 10 inches of working room. That's not bad - 
the 200mm macro hit about 12 inches of working room at 1:1. The D-FA 100 only 
has about 6 inches.

Any thoughts about other options? The Sigma 180mm macro is long gone and the A* 
and FA* 200 macros are impossible to find. I just started playing around with 
my 
A* 

300 f4 and a Canon 500D multi element close up lens - the first test were 
surprisingly sharp, but the range you can focus in is very small and the 
maximum 

magnification is only about .65 life-size. I plan on trying the D-FA 100 with 
a  teleconverter this weekend, but am not optimistic. 


Any thoughts on the Sigma 150 or other options that might be out there? 

Thanks -

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Re: Sigma 150mm macro lens

2011-06-09 Thread Tim Bray
Well, I recently got a good deal on a Pentax DFA-100 macro because
there's the new WR variant.  I bet if you hit a few Pentax dealers
there'll be a few more of them out there.  Mind you, it sounds like
you're looking for more than 100mm.  -T

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Mark Cassino markcass...@ymail.com wrote:
 Hi Everyone -

 It finally happened - my trusty old SMC A* 200mm macro developed a problem 
 this
 past weekend, and there is clearly an issue in the linkage between the arm 
 that
 controls the aperture and the aperture mechanism itself. I sent it off to 
 Pentax

 in hopes that they can get it fixed up, and hopefully they can. But I may as
 well do some contingency planning as I await to hear form them...

 The only viable option I see out there now is the Sigma 150mm f2.8 macro. Has
 anyone tried this lens? They state that it has a minimum focusing distance of 
 15

 inches which is 1:1 magnification. So, minus the length of the lens (5 inches)
 it looks like there would be about 10 inches of working room. That's not bad -
 the 200mm macro hit about 12 inches of working room at 1:1. The D-FA 100 only
 has about 6 inches.

 Any thoughts about other options? The Sigma 180mm macro is long gone and the 
 A*
 and FA* 200 macros are impossible to find. I just started playing around with 
 my
 A*

 300 f4 and a Canon 500D multi element close up lens - the first test were
 surprisingly sharp, but the range you can focus in is very small and the 
 maximum

 magnification is only about .65 life-size. I plan on trying the D-FA 100 with
 a  teleconverter this weekend, but am not optimistic.


 Any thoughts on the Sigma 150 or other options that might be out there?

 Thanks -

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Re: Sensor Dust Removal

2011-06-09 Thread Jack Davis
Not familiar with the K7 dust removal system. 

Jack

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 From: Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com
 Subject: Re: Sensor Dust Removal
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, June 9, 2011, 1:18 PM
 On Jun 9, 2011, at 14:39, Ken Waller
 wrote:
 
  Glad it worked for you.
  
  I used to have dust removal activate on camera
 startup, but with so little dust accumulating I've dialed it
 back to only activate on my command.
  
 
 Is there any disadvantage that anyone can think of to
 having it run every time on startup?  That's how I have
 the K7 set up right now.  
 
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Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day

2011-06-09 Thread Boris Liberman

On 6/10/2011 04:07, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I don't know anything about selling Facebook likes. I have a page
on Facebook for my marketing company, and I've steadily accumulated
followers. It's brought me a fair amount of work. BH markets on
Facebook, rather unobtrusively in my opinion. Hell, any company who
has any marketing savvy whatsoever works Facebook to their advantage,
Pentax among them. Facebook does push the envelope. The facial
recognition thing is meant to make it easy to tag photos. It's not a
plot to spy on members. But it's tweaked some the wrong way.
Fortunately,  one can easily opt out of it. No big deal for those who
don't suffer from paranoia.

Paul


Replied off list.

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Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day

2011-06-09 Thread Boris Liberman

On 6/9/2011 22:15, Bob W wrote:

a little language tip for you, Boris. Nobody says fucking unbelievable.
It's always un-fuckin'-believable.

Even my granny says it that way, and she's 115.

B


Nothing can really replace good old Russian Mat. I am pretty bad in 
swearing in either Hebrew or English, but Russian is naturally entirely 
different story.


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Re: safety and photography?

2011-06-09 Thread Boris Liberman

On 6/9/2011 21:50, Bob W wrote:

I don't know if you've ever had to deal with bullies, but if you went to a
boarding school, as I did, you'd observe quite quickly that the population
was divided into bullies, victims and people who stood up for themselves. As
long as there were people willing to be victims, there were bullies. But the
bullies only ever tried it once on those of us who stood up for ourselves;
even if we took a beating they found it wasn't worth their own pain to try
again.


Indeed. The more interesting thing is that it seems (emphasis on 
'seems') to me that the same thing applies just about everywhere, not 
just a boarding school.


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Re: Sigma 150mm macro lens

2011-06-09 Thread Boris Liberman

On 6/10/2011 05:28, Mark Cassino wrote:

Any thoughts on the Sigma 150 or other options that might be out there?


Mark, if you get to buy a Sigma, I will be most curious to know how 
you'd compare the color rendering of both lenses. Initially I did not 
notice it, but Tamron 28-75 and Sigma 24-60 yield different colors - 
Tamron being the warmer and Sigma being a bit odd for I lack words to 
describe it in a way that would make sense. The best I can do is say 
that it seems to eat up a bit of yellow and that general aspect of 
rendering is a bit lifeless. Not terribly so, but still... May be since 
introduction of Sigma 24-60 they did improve on their coatings a fair 
bit, I don't know but I'd certain want to hear your opinion on the 
matter if and when you get a Sigma.


Boris

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For Sale/Trade/Wanted Friday

2011-06-09 Thread Boris Liberman

Hi!

To cut the chase, I've decided to try and get myself DA* 16-50/2.8. Here 
is the deal:


I've FA 20/2.8 that I'd be willing to trade for DA* 16-50/2.8 (plus 
money from me) or I'd be willing to be enabled with DA* 16-50/2.8. It 
will have to be free of SDM/decentering problems.


I realize it is a long shot, but still...

Contact me off-list if you are interested.

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peso - me

2011-06-09 Thread Sasha Sobol
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/5817343496/in/photostream
Please tell me what you think.

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Re: Sensor Dust Removal

2011-06-09 Thread Ken Waller
Is there any disadvantage that anyone can think of to having it run every 
time on startup?


Wear  tear on the mechanism and shortened battery life come to mind - 
seemed like a waste to me when it accumulated so little dust over time.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

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Subject: Re: Sensor Dust Removal



On Jun 9, 2011, at 14:39, Ken Waller wrote:


Glad it worked for you.

I used to have dust removal activate on camera startup, but with so 
little dust accumulating I've dialed it back to only activate on my 
command.




Is there any disadvantage that anyone can think of to having it run every 
time on startup?  That's how I have the K7 set up right now.


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Re: safety and photography?

2011-06-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
 On 6/9/2011 21:50, Bob W wrote:

 I don't know if you've ever had to deal with bullies, but if you went to a
 boarding school, as I did, you'd observe quite quickly that the population
 was divided into bullies, victims and people who stood up for themselves.
 As
 long as there were people willing to be victims, there were bullies. But
 the
 bullies only ever tried it once on those of us who stood up for ourselves;
 even if we took a beating they found it wasn't worth their own pain to try
 again.

A bully tried to take me on when I was a freshman in High School. I
figured I was going to get beaten to a pulp as I was no fighter, but I
wouldn't let him just victimize me. So we went out to the train
station to duke it out. I took off my jacket and glasses. He came at
me like a windmill and struck my head with his wrist. He didn't count
on my thick skull and broke his wrist on it.

I remember pulling on my jacket, suggesting he have it looked at over
in the campus infirmary, and didn't miss my train home. Didn't even
have a bruise. He was in a cast from elbow to hand for six weeks.

No one ever tried to bully me in High School again. I was now one of
the badasses. ]'-)
-- 
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