Re: PESO: Biker Attitude

[Bob Sullivan]

Dan,
The first patch is a bit garbled.
It looks better (more ledgible) on Photo.net
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:36 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
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> http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=main&webtag=djm1963&entry=140
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> Comments and criticisms are requested
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PESO: Biker Attitude

[Daniel J. Matyola]

http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=main&webtag=djm1963&entry=140

Comments and criticisms are requested

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Re: GESO & a question about the web & color mgt...

[Stan Halpin]

I'll concede the point to someone who knows far more than I do about the topic. 
As you and others have pointed out, the overall range of EVs is too great 
across the scene. Best to fix that upfront with different lighting balance. My 
point was that, for these photos already shot, a rescue might be as simple as 
an overall exposure reduction. Maybe at the expense of some shadow detail, but 
that might be a preferable outcome. I am way worse than a novice when it comes 
to PS manipulations in general, so I know that for me any rescue of the type 
you suggested would result in total disaster. So I look for alternative 
approaches. As I implied, I make no claim that my way is the right way, just 
another possible approach.

stan

On Sep 22, 2011, at 8:11 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

> On 11-09-22 8:46 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:
>> My quick very non-judgmental reactions (i.e., based on feel, not on analysis 
>> using my own or others' criteria for what makes a good portrait):
>> 
>> a. Good model. You are lucky to have her as your model, she is lucky to have 
>> you as her photographer.
>> b.  The left side of the three portraits all seem "hot" to me. I wouldn't 
>> fiddle to the extent suggested by Bruce; I would just lower overall exposure 
>> a notch or two.
> 
> Stan, the trouble with attempting to tame the hotspot by reducing overall 
> exposure is that you'll probably end up with underexposure on 98% of the face 
> with just the hotspot correctly exposed.
> 
> You need to either use some makeup (eg powder) to kill the reflection there, 
> or place a gobo to cut the direct light, or use a larger, less harsh light 
> source.  Christine could likely have positioned a white diffuser on a stand 
> in front of the window to act both as a partial gobo and to enlarge the light 
> source to cut the glare. But that would have altered the nature of the light 
> and produced a different portrait.
> 
> -bmw


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PESO 2011 - 125 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Another in the Communicating series available for viewing: 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6173760371/in/set-72157625844414410/lightbox/
or
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6173760371/in/set-72157625844414410/

thanks for looking, comments appreciated. 

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Re: PESO - Swirl

[Paul Stenquist]

I like this one as well. A nice composition and great light.
Paul


On Sep 22, 2011, at 9:21 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

> Thanks, Charles!  The light was coming through skylights, and reflecting up 
> from the white marble floor.
> 
> Rick
> 
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> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 9/20/11, Charles Robinson  wrote:
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2011, at 8:48, Rick Womer
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Leaping effortlessly through time and space, this is
>> from our trip to Toronto in May:
>>> 
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14149418&size=lg
>>> 
>> 
>> I like this quite a bit.  I can't really tell where
>> the light's coming from so it's very interesting to study!
>> 
>> -Charles
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Re: PESO - Introduction

[Paul Stenquist]

Excellent photo. Very graphic, and it tells a story. 

Paul

On Sep 22, 2011, at 10:03 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

> I've been away at a large meeting outside Madison, WI.  I had my camera bag 
> with me.
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14263676&size=lg
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> (K7, DA 50-200)
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PESO - Introduction

[Rick Womer]

I've been away at a large meeting outside Madison, WI.  I had my camera bag 
with me.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14263676&size=lg

(K7, DA 50-200)

Rick

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Re: PESO - Swirl

[Rick Womer]

Thanks, Charles!  The light was coming through skylights, and reflecting up 
from the white marble floor.

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


--- On Tue, 9/20/11, Charles Robinson  wrote:

> On Sep 10, 2011, at 8:48, Rick Womer
> wrote:
> 
> > Leaping effortlessly through time and space, this is
> from our trip to Toronto in May:
> > 
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14149418&size=lg
> > 
> 
> I like this quite a bit.  I can't really tell where
> the light's coming from so it's very interesting to study!
> 
>  -Charles
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Re: GESO & a question about the web & color mgt...

[Bruce Walker]

On 11-09-22 8:46 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

My quick very non-judgmental reactions (i.e., based on feel, not on analysis 
using my own or others' criteria for what makes a good portrait):

a. Good model. You are lucky to have her as your model, she is lucky to have 
you as her photographer.
b.  The left side of the three portraits all seem "hot" to me. I wouldn't 
fiddle to the extent suggested by Bruce; I would just lower overall exposure a notch or 
two.


Stan, the trouble with attempting to tame the hotspot by reducing 
overall exposure is that you'll probably end up with underexposure on 
98% of the face with just the hotspot correctly exposed.


You need to either use some makeup (eg powder) to kill the reflection 
there, or place a gobo to cut the direct light, or use a larger, less 
harsh light source.  Christine could likely have positioned a white 
diffuser on a stand in front of the window to act both as a partial gobo 
and to enlarge the light source to cut the glare. But that would have 
altered the nature of the light and produced a different portrait.


-bmw

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Re: PESO - The End

[Joseph McAllister]

On Sep 22, 2011, at 16:13 , Bruce Walker wrote:

> On 11-09-22 6:53 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:
>> On Sep 20, 2011, at 09:46 , Charles Robinson wrote:
>> 
 Thanks. You're correct, third row center. Almost exactly the same as
 the current price of a K-5. Was it worth it? I still think so. Do I
 wish I had a K-5, yes.
 
>>> I think I paid $7 for 2nd-row center for the Queen concert I saw in 1980.
>>> 
>>> Yow.
>> $5 - 6th row center for a Boston Pink Floyd concert in (IIRC) late 1973 or 
>> early 1974, when their concerts were split between earlier works and DSOM's 
>> introduction for the second half. Formed my musical bent for the next 38 
>> years. Still can't go a week without a sit down with headphones on and one 
>> of their albums playing from my almost complete collection.
>> 
>> 
>> Joseph McAllister
>> pentax...@mac.com
>> 
>> http://gallery.me.com/jomac
> 
> They you must be either in heaven or worried for your bank account since this 
> tsunami of releases of boxed sets with Blu-rays, remastered CDs and stuff is 
> about to drop starting next week.  I heard a long cut from a 1974 live 
> version (Wembley) of DSOM off the remastered disk and it sounds really great.

Bank account. My lovely sound reproduction system sits in my family room, 
stored there, along with the rest of my life's detritus. Electronically, it is 
probably still fine. I've just no room to set it up. The recliner I purchased 
to repose in three years ago is just in the way now. The sub-woofer driver has 
destroyed it's surround. Only place that will fix it is in Florida, $100 in 
shipping away. I have a smaller 15" driver if I wanted to chuck the 18" and 
build up an adaptor plate so it could be installed. But it has no provisions 
for a feedback loop to prevent overdriving it, which negates my 400 watt 
amplifier than it uses.I suspect if I do ever get it set up, most of the other 
six speakers are reaching the end of their life as well.

Therefore - headphones or computer speakers for my 69 year old ears will have 
to do. I have as yet to set up my LaserDisc players (2) to listen and watch PF 
concerts from a slightly later era. Think they'll be releasing a few of those 
in remastered form soon? No matter. I can set those up with my side channel L & 
R speakers hooked up to my TV for some amount of volume and limited range.

VA gave me a hearing test last week to see if my tinnitus was causing me loss 
at any frequencies. Their result was no, my hearing is fine, very good for an 
old fart even. They used over the ear headphones, in the ears sealed buds, and 
a plate glued behind your ear to see if bone was better than air in three 
individual tests. Oh tinnitus? Nothing can be done for it that would not 
further diminish my hearing capability. Just have to get used to it or die, 
whichever comes first.

Just tested (online hearing test, always a bell-weather of accuracy) and see 
that my tinnitus is a harmonic centered around 6kHz. Has to be up to -27dB to 
hear it above my own din. Going up from there I can hear 8kHz down to -66dB, 
12kHz down to (ha) -33dB, and 14-20kHz not at all. 1kHz is good down -81dB. 
Conditions under which I took this test were: Staring at my computer, head 38" 
from a pair of Apple M6058 speakers with 2.5" drivers, door to outside open 
with rush hour traffic on I-5 1 mile away (a hiss perceptually), dogs wanting 
to go to the park poking me in the armpit, occasional car driving by on the 
gravel alley, and in day 3 of a nasty head cold that is making my abs very sore 
from the coughing. Optimal !!

If you want to threaten your own hearing (read the directions!) go to :

http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/hearing.htmland blame the Aussies!

If you don't like them, go to a USA site that is harder to vary the volume on. 
I suggest you turn your sound off, set all of the frequencies to the minimum, 
then ramp them up as needed, one at a time. They do get very loud on most 
freq's on my 10 year old Apple Speakers:

http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2009/03/can-you-hear-this-hearing-test/



If it doesn’t excite you,
This thing that you see,
Why in the world,
Would it excite me?
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Re: GESO & a question about the web & color mgt...

[Christine Nielsen]

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Stan Halpin
 wrote:
> My quick very non-judgmental reactions (i.e., based on feel, not on analysis 
> using my own or others' criteria for what makes a good portrait):
>
> a. Good model. You are lucky to have her as your model, she is lucky to have 
> you as her photographer.
> b.  The left side of the three portraits all seem "hot" to me. I wouldn't 
> fiddle to the extent suggested by Bruce; I would just lower overall exposure 
> a notch or two.
> c. No such issues with the in-mid-air shot.
> d. No "strange" unusual unexpected color tones, color balance. Except for 
> possible exposure "issues" - YMMV - these images look just fine to me
>
> Viewed on MacBookPro, Safari 5.1


Maybe it's because she's the middle child, and starved for attention,
that she makes a good model?  :)

I'll also note that the lighting set-up for the jump shot was
completely different... I used strobes/umbrellas for that one...

Thanks, Stan.


>
> stan
>
>
> On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:
>
>> Our old barn got a renovation, and lucky me (!), I got a studio space
>> out of the deal.  It's only very recently been finished, and I'm just
>> starting to get a little time to play out there.  The other day, i
>> asked my daughter to sit for some portraits -- I had to capture that
>> summer tan before it faded...
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157627605002633/with/6172516761/
>>
>> Questions, comments, concerns are welcome...
>>
>> Now here's my question... I'm often frustrated when I see how my
>> photos are rendered online.  My monitor is calibrated, and in the
>> editing process, everything seems to go just fine.  I make sure I
>> export in srgb.  Once my photos are loaded onto different websites
>> (blogger, picasa, flickr, facebook, etc), it's another story.  I know
>> that different monitors might render images differently, but even on
>> the same, calibrated monitor that i use for editing, it seems that
>> different browsers (I have firefox, safari & chrome, chrome being the
>> worst offender) & different websites treat my images differently.
>> Even on flickr, just now, my images have a funky red cast in slideshow
>> format that doesn't show up in thumbnail/set views, and certainly
>> isn't the way I edited them.
>>
>> So... what to do?  Anything?  Maybe it's me... Or is this just the way
>> it goes???  Any thoughts are appreciated...
>>
>>
>> Thanks all,
>> -c
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Re: GESO & a question about the web & color mgt...

[Christine Nielsen]

Thanks Paul, Frank, Tim & everyone else who had a look.  The "jump
shot" is her favorite, too.  :)


On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> What Frank Said. Love the jumping shot. The others could benefit from a 
> little less exposure and a reflector at camera right to provide some fill. 
> The ratio between the window lit portion of the face and the shade portion is 
> a bit extreme. That being said, they're all very nice.
>
> Paul
> On Sep 22, 2011, at 4:42 PM, frank theriault wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Christine Nielsen  
>> wrote:
>>> Our old barn got a renovation, and lucky me (!), I got a studio space
>>> out of the deal.  It's only very recently been finished, and I'm just
>>> starting to get a little time to play out there.  The other day, i
>>> asked my daughter to sit for some portraits -- I had to capture that
>>> summer tan before it faded...
>>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157627605002633/with/6172516761/
>>
>> Terrific set!  Like Larry, I particularly like the shot of her
>> jumping.  The window frame in the background really works here.  Very
>> dynamic shot!
>>
>>
>>> Questions, comments, concerns are welcome...
>>>
>>> Now here's my question... I'm often frustrated when I see how my
>>> photos are rendered online.
>>
>> Sorry, can't be of any assistance here.
>>
>> cheers,
>> frank
>>
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Re: GESO & a question about the web & color mgt...

[Stan Halpin]

My quick very non-judgmental reactions (i.e., based on feel, not on analysis 
using my own or others' criteria for what makes a good portrait):

a. Good model. You are lucky to have her as your model, she is lucky to have 
you as her photographer.
b.  The left side of the three portraits all seem "hot" to me. I wouldn't 
fiddle to the extent suggested by Bruce; I would just lower overall exposure a 
notch or two.
c. No such issues with the in-mid-air shot.
d. No "strange" unusual unexpected color tones, color balance. Except for 
possible exposure "issues" - YMMV - these images look just fine to me

Viewed on MacBookPro, Safari 5.1

stan


On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:

> Our old barn got a renovation, and lucky me (!), I got a studio space
> out of the deal.  It's only very recently been finished, and I'm just
> starting to get a little time to play out there.  The other day, i
> asked my daughter to sit for some portraits -- I had to capture that
> summer tan before it faded...
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157627605002633/with/6172516761/
> 
> Questions, comments, concerns are welcome...
> 
> Now here's my question... I'm often frustrated when I see how my
> photos are rendered online.  My monitor is calibrated, and in the
> editing process, everything seems to go just fine.  I make sure I
> export in srgb.  Once my photos are loaded onto different websites
> (blogger, picasa, flickr, facebook, etc), it's another story.  I know
> that different monitors might render images differently, but even on
> the same, calibrated monitor that i use for editing, it seems that
> different browsers (I have firefox, safari & chrome, chrome being the
> worst offender) & different websites treat my images differently.
> Even on flickr, just now, my images have a funky red cast in slideshow
> format that doesn't show up in thumbnail/set views, and certainly
> isn't the way I edited them.
> 
> So... what to do?  Anything?  Maybe it's me... Or is this just the way
> it goes???  Any thoughts are appreciated...
> 
> 
> Thanks all,
> -c
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Re: GESO & a question about the web & color mgt...

[Paul Stenquist]

If you convert the shots to SRGB color space before web posting they should 
look about the same on every site. If you're using PhotoShop, just do a "save 
for web."
Paul
On Sep 22, 2011, at 8:23 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> There's a big can of worms you're opening here,
> 
> That's what I was afraid of... oy.
>> 
>> So, before anything else... Can you point me at an example of one of
>> your images (the same file) looking different on several different
>> sites?
> 
> So, on my Dell Ultra Sharp 3011 monitor, this image, on flickr, looks "right":
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/6172517751/in/set-72157627605002633/
> 
> That same image, viewed as part of a flickr slideshow, appears to have
> a red cast:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157627605002633/show/
> 
> The exact same file, uploaded to blogger, and hosted on picasa -- also
> looks too red on the same monitor:
> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ed6jY3Z7GF8/Tnt7mIQJlvI/DqY/VzMIbp8IleA/s1600/Maddie04.jpg
> 
> All that being said, I just looked at those two sites on my macbook,
> and they both look fine.
> 
> Oy, my head hurts...
> 
> Thanks,
> -c
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Re: GESO & a question about the web & color mgt...

[Christine Nielsen]

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 4:20 PM, steve harley  wrote:

>
> you can do controlled tests of your browsers against several online images
> to isolate whether it is the browser or Flickr, etc. — search for something
> like "browser color management test" for many examples; i don't claim to
> know which is best, but the rollovers on this one are interesting:
>
> 

Thanks, Steve, I'll look into that.
>

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Re: GESO & a question about the web & color mgt...

[Christine Nielsen]

>
> For me the jury's out on the various Google properties. I've distrusted
> Picasa in the past as the images looked suspiciously munched to me. I know
> that Google+ is just reusing the Picasa facilities and photogs seem happy
> with that, so maybe Picasa is ok now.  I'm not sure what Blogger does with
> their images.

I think Blogger is a google property, too... all the images on my
blogger blog are "hosted" by picasa by default.   But, I take your
point about google+... it seems to have been very enthusiastically
embraced by the photography crowd, so... how bad could it be?  (That
would be a rhetorical question...)
>
> I think that Posterous and Tumblr treat images with respect. My experiments
> so far are good.
>
>
> Here's something to consider. If you are editing your images starting from
> RAW (12-14 bits) and in the AdobeRGB or ProPhoto colour space, on a
> calibrated monitor, then when you convert-for-web (ie compress and reduce
> colours to sRGB JPEGs), they are subject to the possibility of changes due
> to out-of-gamut colours in your original.  You are causing some pretty
> serious dithering to occur by reducing down to sRGB 8-bit JPEG and depending
> on your source image, something visible might have to give.

Yes, but I have been comparing the saved (in srgb) jpeg, opened in
firefox, say, to the same jpeg that was loaded to blogger, also viewed
in firefox.  So, I'm not comparing a RAW file to the jpeg... apples &
apples.
>
> The same thing happens when you prepare for print as printers can't
> generally reproduce the same large gamut as is in the image.

Is it any wonder I haven't waded into the world of printing...?  :)

>
> Another thing to think about is your editing on-screen environment versus
> your web viewing environment. For instance, when you edit do you position
> your image on a neutral gray background? When I open images in Photoshop I
> always do so on a separate monitor, full-screen with a grey surround fill.

Yup.. I edit in LR on the medium gray background, full-screen.  My
desktop is a neutral gray color as well.

>
> It's a jungle out there ... :-)

Where's Tarzan when you need him?

Thanks, Bruce.
:)
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Re: GESO & a question about the web & color mgt...

[Paul Stenquist]

What Frank Said. Love the jumping shot. The others could benefit from a little 
less exposure and a reflector at camera right to provide some fill. The ratio 
between the window lit portion of the face and the shade portion is a bit 
extreme. That being said, they're all very nice.

Paul
On Sep 22, 2011, at 4:42 PM, frank theriault wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
>> Our old barn got a renovation, and lucky me (!), I got a studio space
>> out of the deal.  It's only very recently been finished, and I'm just
>> starting to get a little time to play out there.  The other day, i
>> asked my daughter to sit for some portraits -- I had to capture that
>> summer tan before it faded...
>> 
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157627605002633/with/6172516761/
> 
> Terrific set!  Like Larry, I particularly like the shot of her
> jumping.  The window frame in the background really works here.  Very
> dynamic shot!
> 
> 
>> Questions, comments, concerns are welcome...
>> 
>> Now here's my question... I'm often frustrated when I see how my
>> photos are rendered online.
> 
> Sorry, can't be of any assistance here.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
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Re: PESO - The End

[Steven Desjardins]

Nice shot and good publicity for this McCartney guy.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> On 11-09-22 6:53 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 20, 2011, at 09:46 , Charles Robinson wrote:
>>
 Thanks. You're correct, third row center. Almost exactly the same as
 the current price of a K-5. Was it worth it? I still think so. Do I
 wish I had a K-5, yes.

>>> I think I paid $7 for 2nd-row center for the Queen concert I saw in 1980.
>>>
>>> Yow.
>>
>> $5 - 6th row center for a Boston Pink Floyd concert in (IIRC) late 1973 or
>> early 1974, when their concerts were split between earlier works and DSOM's
>> introduction for the second half. Formed my musical bent for the next 38
>> years. Still can't go a week without a sit down with headphones on and one
>> of their albums playing from my almost complete collection.
>>
>>
>> Joseph McAllister
>> pentax...@mac.com
>>
>> http://gallery.me.com/jomac
>
> They you must be either in heaven or worried for your bank account since
> this tsunami of releases of boxed sets with Blu-rays, remastered CDs and
> shtuff is about to drop starting next week.  I heard a long cut from a 1974
> live version (Wembley) of DSOM off the remastered disk and it sounds really
> great.
>
> -bmw
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Re: GESO & a question about the web & color mgt...

[Christine Nielsen]

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

>
> There's a big can of worms you're opening here,

That's what I was afraid of... oy.
>
> So, before anything else... Can you point me at an example of one of
> your images (the same file) looking different on several different
> sites?

So, on my Dell Ultra Sharp 3011 monitor, this image, on flickr, looks "right":
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/6172517751/in/set-72157627605002633/

That same image, viewed as part of a flickr slideshow, appears to have
a red cast:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157627605002633/show/

The exact same file, uploaded to blogger, and hosted on picasa -- also
looks too red on the same monitor:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ed6jY3Z7GF8/Tnt7mIQJlvI/DqY/VzMIbp8IleA/s1600/Maddie04.jpg

All that being said, I just looked at those two sites on my macbook,
and they both look fine.

Oy, my head hurts...

Thanks,
-c

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Re: 1st lens tumble & other what not

[Steven Desjardins]

Ouch. My old A501.7 is now on my Lumix G2.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
> On Sep 22, 2011, at 10:07, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sep 22, 2011, at 7:37 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
>>
>>> It is disturbing, isn't it?  My most recent was last year, the FA20-35.
>>
>> Very disturbing. My most recent was in 1977, a brand new Fuji 50 1.8. Bent 
>> the filter ring. I'm still annoyed when I see it sitting on my shelf with 
>> that ding in the ring, but I've been rather cautious ever since. Knock, 
>> knock.
>>
>
> In 2005 I was in Ireland with my family.   My daughter was using my old 
> ME-Super with the A-50 f1.7.  We were on some cobblestone shopping street 
> when she lost control of the camera for a bit and it landed right on the 
> lens.  The body survived, but the lens was a complete and utter loss.  Made 
> me sad.
>
>  -Charles
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Re: GESO & a question about the web & color mgt...

[Bruce Walker]

On 11-09-22 3:05 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:

Our old barn got a renovation, and lucky me (!), I got a studio space
out of the deal.  It's only very recently been finished, and I'm just
starting to get a little time to play out there.  The other day, i
asked my daughter to sit for some portraits -- I had to capture that
summer tan before it faded...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157627605002633/with/6172516761/

Questions, comments, concerns are welcome...


That looks like a terrific studio space -- very lucky you! -- and your 
portraits are great. I especially like Maddie04 for its wonderfully 
relaxed feel.





Now here's my question... I'm often frustrated when I see how my
photos are rendered online.  My monitor is calibrated, and in the
editing process, everything seems to go just fine.  I make sure I
export in srgb.  Once my photos are loaded onto different websites
(blogger, picasa, flickr, facebook, etc), it's another story.  I know
that different monitors might render images differently, but even on
the same, calibrated monitor that i use for editing, it seems that
different browsers (I have firefox, safari&  chrome, chrome being the
worst offender)&  different websites treat my images differently.
Even on flickr, just now, my images have a funky red cast in slideshow
format that doesn't show up in thumbnail/set views, and certainly
isn't the way I edited them.

So... what to do?  Anything?  Maybe it's me... Or is this just the way
it goes???  Any thoughts are appreciated...


Thanks all,
-c


As many others have suggested, the web is a messed-up place and ya post 
yer shots and takes yer chances. By converting to sRGB you are already 
maximizing your chances as that's the default for non-colour-managed 
systems.  But then you have to deal with how much compression and 
processing the various storage sites apply.  In my experience Facebook 
is hands-down the worst for image destruction due to over-zealous 
compression and resizing.  Flickr and 500px are both very good for 
minimal touching of the images. I have no experience with photo.net or 
Smugmug but I expect them to be good about it.


For me the jury's out on the various Google properties. I've distrusted 
Picasa in the past as the images looked suspiciously munched to me. I 
know that Google+ is just reusing the Picasa facilities and photogs seem 
happy with that, so maybe Picasa is ok now.  I'm not sure what Blogger 
does with their images.


I think that Posterous and Tumblr treat images with respect. My 
experiments so far are good.



Here's something to consider. If you are editing your images starting 
from RAW (12-14 bits) and in the AdobeRGB or ProPhoto colour space, on a 
calibrated monitor, then when you convert-for-web (ie compress and 
reduce colours to sRGB JPEGs), they are subject to the possibility of 
changes due to out-of-gamut colours in your original.  You are causing 
some pretty serious dithering to occur by reducing down to sRGB 8-bit 
JPEG and depending on your source image, something visible might have to 
give.


The same thing happens when you prepare for print as printers can't 
generally reproduce the same large gamut as is in the image.


Another thing to think about is your editing on-screen environment 
versus your web viewing environment. For instance, when you edit do you 
position your image on a neutral gray background? When I open images in 
Photoshop I always do so on a separate monitor, full-screen with a grey 
surround fill.


But then when you view images in photo sites like photo.net, Flickr or 
500px, the images are usually presented on a white background.  Your 
eyes are going to see a different overall colour-cast to the images 
depending on how they are situated on the screen. They'll look different 
when viewed with a completely black background, for instance.


It's a jungle out there ... :-)

-bmw

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Re: OT: This could change Everything !

[Joseph McAllister]

True that!

The only previous observation was that now that it is suspected that the 
Universe is expanding faster each year, and that the furthest celestial objects 
are approaching the speed of light, which means that we may never see the 
"edge" of the Universe.

I interpret this to mean that the most distant stars are approaching such a 
distance from Earth that their emitted light would at some point in time be 
older than the Universe (big bang, premiering tonight). This means we may never 
see anything further away than light could travel in 13.7 billion years, ever. 
(Wikipedia)  We could never know then if anything existed prior to the big bang.

With this new discovery, that and many other deep thoughts (think very much 
higher math) would throw many of our heretofore accepted deep thoughts into a 
serious restructuring.

Those of you that have a grasp of higher mathematics probably know more about 
this than I can hope to imagine. Corrections and cosmological insults are 
welcomed and just as easily dismissed…  :-)

On Sep 22, 2011, at 15:08 , Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

> 
> GENEVA (AP) - A pillar of physics - that nothing can go faster than
> the speed of light - appears to be smashed by an oddball subatomic
> particle that has apparently made a giant end run around Albert
> Einstein's theories. Scientists at the world's largest physics lab
> said Thursday they have clocked neutrinos traveling faster than light.
> That's something that according to Einstein's 1905 special theory of
> relativity - the famous E (equals) mc2 equation - just doesn't happen.
> "The feeling that most people have is this can't be right, this can't
> be real," said James Gillies, a spokesman for the European
> Organization for Nuclear Research. The organization, known as CERN,
> hosted part of the experiment, which is unrelated to the massive $10
> billion Large Hadron Collider also located at the site. Gillies told
> The Associated Press that the readings have so astounded researchers
> that they are asking others to independently verify the measurements
> before claiming an actual discovery.
> 
> "They are inviting the broader physics community to look at what
> they've done and really scrutinize it in great detail, and ideally for
> someone elsewhere in the world to repeat the measurements," he said
> Thursday. Scientists at the competing Fermilab in Chicago have
> promised to start such work immediately. "It's a shock," said Fermilab
> head theoretician Stephen Parke, who was not part of the research in
> Geneva. "It's going to cause us problems, no doubt about that - if
> it's true." The Chicago team had similar faster-than-light results in
> 2007, but those came with a giant margin of error that undercut its
> scientific significance. Other outside scientists expressed skepticism
> at CERN's claim that the neutrinos - one of the strangest well-known
> particles in physics - were observed smashing past the cosmic speed
> barrier of 186,282 miles per second (299,792 kilometers per second).
> 
> University of Maryland physics department chairman Drew Baden called
> it "a flying carpet," something that was too fantastic to be
> believable. CERN says a neutrino beam fired from a particle
> accelerator near Geneva to a lab 454 miles (730 kilometers) away in
> Italy traveled 60 nanoseconds faster than the speed of light.
> Scientists calculated the margin of error at just 10 nanoseconds,
> making the difference statistically significant. But given the
> enormous implications of the find, they still spent months checking
> and rechecking their results to make sure there was no flaws in the
> experiment. "We have not found any instrumental effect that could
> explain the result of the measurement," said Antonio Ereditato, a
> physicist at the University of Bern, Switzerland, who was involved in
> the experiment known as OPERA. The researchers are now looking to the
> United States and Japan to confirm the results. A similar neutrino
> experiment at Fermilab near Chicago would be capable of running the
> tests, said Stavros Katsanevas, the deputy director of France's
> National Institute for Nuclear and Particle Physics Research. The
> institute collaborated with Italy's Gran Sasso National Laboratory for
> the experiment at CERN. Katsanevas said help could also come from the
> T2K experiment in Japan, though that is currently on hold after the
> country's devastating March 11 earthquake and tsunami. Scientists
> agree if the results are confirmed, that it would force a fundamental
> rethink of the laws of nature. Einstein's special relativity theory
> that says energy equals mass times the speed of light squared
> underlies "pretty much everything in modern physics," said John Ellis,
> a theoretical physicist at CERN who was not involved in the
> experiment. "It has worked perfectly up until now." He cautioned that
> the neutrino researchers would have to explain why similar results
> weren't detected before. "This would b

Re: OT: This could change Everything !

[Jim King]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote on Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:08:40 -0700:

> TV and the papers are full of "celebrity news."  This is news that matters:
> 
> 
> GENEVA (AP) - A pillar of physics - that nothing can go faster than
> the speed of light - appears to be smashed by an oddball subatomic
> particle that has apparently made a giant end run around Albert
> Einstein's theories. Scientists at the world's largest physics lab
> said Thursday they have clocked neutrinos traveling faster than light.
> That's something that according to Einstein's 1905 special theory of
> relativity - the famous E (equals) mc2 equation - just doesn't happen.
> "The feeling that most people have is this can't be right, this can't
> be real," said James Gillies, a spokesman for the European
> Organization for Nuclear Research. The organization, known as CERN,
> hosted part of the experiment, which is unrelated to the massive $10
> billion Large Hadron Collider also located at the site. Gillies told
> The Associated Press that the readings have so astounded researchers
> that they are asking others to independently verify the measurements
> before claiming an actual discovery.
> 
> "They are inviting the broader physics community to look at what
> they've done and really scrutinize it in great detail, and ideally for
> someone elsewhere in the world to repeat the measurements," he said
> Thursday. Scientists at the competing Fermilab in Chicago have
> promised to start such work immediately. "It's a shock," said Fermilab
> head theoretician Stephen Parke, who was not part of the research in
> Geneva. "It's going to cause us problems, no doubt about that - if
> it's true." The Chicago team had similar faster-than-light results in
> 2007, but those came with a giant margin of error that undercut its
> scientific significance. Other outside scientists expressed skepticism
> at CERN's claim that the neutrinos - one of the strangest well-known
> particles in physics - were observed smashing past the cosmic speed
> barrier of 186,282 miles per second (299,792 kilometers per second).
> 
> University of Maryland physics department chairman Drew Baden called
> it "a flying carpet," something that was too fantastic to be
> believable. CERN says a neutrino beam fired from a particle
> accelerator near Geneva to a lab 454 miles (730 kilometers) away in
> Italy traveled 60 nanoseconds faster than the speed of light.
> Scientists calculated the margin of error at just 10 nanoseconds,
> making the difference statistically significant. But given the
> enormous implications of the find, they still spent months checking
> and rechecking their results to make sure there was no flaws in the
> experiment. "We have not found any instrumental effect that could
> explain the result of the measurement," said Antonio Ereditato, a
> physicist at the University of Bern, Switzerland, who was involved in
> the experiment known as OPERA. The researchers are now looking to the
> United States and Japan to confirm the results. A similar neutrino
> experiment at Fermilab near Chicago would be capable of running the
> tests, said Stavros Katsanevas, the deputy director of France's
> National Institute for Nuclear and Particle Physics Research. The
> institute collaborated with Italy's Gran Sasso National Laboratory for
> the experiment at CERN. Katsanevas said help could also come from the
> T2K experiment in Japan, though that is currently on hold after the
> country's devastating March 11 earthquake and tsunami. Scientists
> agree if the results are confirmed, that it would force a fundamental
> rethink of the laws of nature. Einstein's special relativity theory
> that says energy equals mass times the speed of light squared
> underlies "pretty much everything in modern physics," said John Ellis,
> a theoretical physicist at CERN who was not involved in the
> experiment. "It has worked perfectly up until now." He cautioned that
> the neutrino researchers would have to explain why similar results
> weren't detected before. "This would be such a sensational discovery
> if it were true that one has to treat it extremely carefully," said Ellis.

Ellis is right - extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.  Let's 
let the dust settle before we rewrite the physics books.

Regards, Jim
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Re: PESO - The End

[Bruce Walker]

On 11-09-22 6:53 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:

On Sep 20, 2011, at 09:46 , Charles Robinson wrote:


Thanks. You're correct, third row center. Almost exactly the same as
the current price of a K-5. Was it worth it? I still think so. Do I
wish I had a K-5, yes.


I think I paid $7 for 2nd-row center for the Queen concert I saw in 1980.

Yow.

$5 - 6th row center for a Boston Pink Floyd concert in (IIRC) late 1973 or 
early 1974, when their concerts were split between earlier works and DSOM's 
introduction for the second half. Formed my musical bent for the next 38 years. 
Still can't go a week without a sit down with headphones on and one of their 
albums playing from my almost complete collection.


Joseph McAllister
pentax...@mac.com

http://gallery.me.com/jomac


They you must be either in heaven or worried for your bank account since 
this tsunami of releases of boxed sets with Blu-rays, remastered CDs and 
shtuff is about to drop starting next week.  I heard a long cut from a 
1974 live version (Wembley) of DSOM off the remastered disk and it 
sounds really great.


-bmw

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Re: First Android App: Film Developing Timer

[Joseph McAllister]

On Sep 21, 2011, at 04:28 , Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

> https://market.android.com/details?id=com.proj.mdt&feature=search_result
> 
> It has 1 timer bug that has shown up, but I'm working on that right now.
> For those doing sheet film development, it supports tray developing with a 
> blackout mode.

Nothing beats a GraLab timer with it's large dial and radioactive hands for 
darkroom work, including enlarger timing. Very good at arousing you from 
slumber when it's time to pour out the dev and pour in the stop. Really needed 
an adjustment screw that would control the volume of that alarm.

:-)

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Re: PESO - The End

[Joseph McAllister]

On Sep 20, 2011, at 09:46 , Charles Robinson wrote:

>> 
>> Thanks. You're correct, third row center. Almost exactly the same as
>> the current price of a K-5. Was it worth it? I still think so. Do I
>> wish I had a K-5, yes.
>> 
> 
> I think I paid $7 for 2nd-row center for the Queen concert I saw in 1980.
> 
> Yow.

$5 - 6th row center for a Boston Pink Floyd concert in (IIRC) late 1973 or 
early 1974, when their concerts were split between earlier works and DSOM's 
introduction for the second half. Formed my musical bent for the next 38 years. 
Still can't go a week without a sit down with headphones on and one of their 
albums playing from my almost complete collection.


Joseph McAllister
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Re: Clever ways of storing and carrying light stands, tripods etc?

[Joseph McAllister]

As I believe I threatened a few days ago, I bring you the best photo taken 
during the latter years of my skiing days. The image taken by a friend of mine 
in the Navy in the mid 60s. For those of you who are my FB friends, you can see 
this in one of my photo albums there. For the rest of you -

http://gallery.me.com/jomac#100563/Joseph-20McAllister-20in-20skiing-20form-&bgcolor=black

Skied one more time after this, primarily because of knee injuries making it 
uncomfortable, and really dangerous. That was in about 1992 in the Cascade 
Mountains of Washington with my sisters Lucinda and Ada. Took an hour or two 
before I was able to go back to parallel form, which was as far as I ever went 
form wise. Whenever I see modern skiers on TV hitting moguls at full speed, I 
wince every time they flex their knees up to their shoulders to keep their body 
from moving around much.

On Sep 19, 2011, at 16:52 , Stan Halpin wrote:

> On Sep 19, 2011, at 5:38 PM, steve harley wrote:
> 
>> on 2011-09-19 16:26 Stan Halpin wrote
>>> You can probably buy crutches in all sizes in those same stores . . .
>> 
>> not sure what your point is — perhaps to disparage thrift stores? — but 
>> indeed, that was where i got some of those fancy crutches pro athletes use 
>> for my partner when she broke her foot
> 
> Not at all intended to be disparaging of the thrift stores. Love 'em, use 
> them all the time on both sides of the counter. My wife was volunteer manager 
> for one for several years. My point was that stores with much used ski 
> equipment are probably reaping donations from former skiers who decided to 
> give up their skis etc. at the same time that they took their crutches in.

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OT: This could change Everything !

[Daniel J. Matyola]

TV and the papers are full of "celebrity news."  This is news that matters:


GENEVA (AP) - A pillar of physics - that nothing can go faster than
the speed of light - appears to be smashed by an oddball subatomic
particle that has apparently made a giant end run around Albert
Einstein's theories. Scientists at the world's largest physics lab
said Thursday they have clocked neutrinos traveling faster than light.
That's something that according to Einstein's 1905 special theory of
relativity - the famous E (equals) mc2 equation - just doesn't happen.
"The feeling that most people have is this can't be right, this can't
be real," said James Gillies, a spokesman for the European
Organization for Nuclear Research. The organization, known as CERN,
hosted part of the experiment, which is unrelated to the massive $10
billion Large Hadron Collider also located at the site. Gillies told
The Associated Press that the readings have so astounded researchers
that they are asking others to independently verify the measurements
before claiming an actual discovery.

"They are inviting the broader physics community to look at what
they've done and really scrutinize it in great detail, and ideally for
someone elsewhere in the world to repeat the measurements," he said
Thursday. Scientists at the competing Fermilab in Chicago have
promised to start such work immediately. "It's a shock," said Fermilab
head theoretician Stephen Parke, who was not part of the research in
Geneva. "It's going to cause us problems, no doubt about that - if
it's true." The Chicago team had similar faster-than-light results in
2007, but those came with a giant margin of error that undercut its
scientific significance. Other outside scientists expressed skepticism
at CERN's claim that the neutrinos - one of the strangest well-known
particles in physics - were observed smashing past the cosmic speed
barrier of 186,282 miles per second (299,792 kilometers per second).

University of Maryland physics department chairman Drew Baden called
it "a flying carpet," something that was too fantastic to be
believable. CERN says a neutrino beam fired from a particle
accelerator near Geneva to a lab 454 miles (730 kilometers) away in
Italy traveled 60 nanoseconds faster than the speed of light.
Scientists calculated the margin of error at just 10 nanoseconds,
making the difference statistically significant. But given the
enormous implications of the find, they still spent months checking
and rechecking their results to make sure there was no flaws in the
experiment. "We have not found any instrumental effect that could
explain the result of the measurement," said Antonio Ereditato, a
physicist at the University of Bern, Switzerland, who was involved in
the experiment known as OPERA. The researchers are now looking to the
United States and Japan to confirm the results. A similar neutrino
experiment at Fermilab near Chicago would be capable of running the
tests, said Stavros Katsanevas, the deputy director of France's
National Institute for Nuclear and Particle Physics Research. The
institute collaborated with Italy's Gran Sasso National Laboratory for
the experiment at CERN. Katsanevas said help could also come from the
T2K experiment in Japan, though that is currently on hold after the
country's devastating March 11 earthquake and tsunami. Scientists
agree if the results are confirmed, that it would force a fundamental
rethink of the laws of nature. Einstein's special relativity theory
that says energy equals mass times the speed of light squared
underlies "pretty much everything in modern physics," said John Ellis,
a theoretical physicist at CERN who was not involved in the
experiment. "It has worked perfectly up until now." He cautioned that
the neutrino researchers would have to explain why similar results
weren't detected before. "This would be such a sensational discovery
if it were true that one has to treat it extremely carefully," said
Ellis.

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Re: PAW89 - Old tree

[DagT]

I already did :-)
Sun and 30 degrees in Lisbon isn´t easy,and the whites are burnt out.

Thanks for your comments, Tim, Bruce, Dave, Larry and frank!

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Den 19. sep. 2011 kl. 22.41 skrev Tim Bray:

> Cool!  Maybe bring the contrast down just a bit?  -T
> 
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:47 PM, DagT  wrote:
>> http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
>> K-5, DA21mm, 1/60s, f/11, ISO100.
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Re: PESO: Free Lunch

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Frank.


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On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 4:36 PM, frank theriault
 wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Daniel J. Matyola
>  wrote:
>> http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=main&webtag=djm1963&entry=139
>>
>> Comments and criticisms are requested.
>
> Lovely!
>
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: Q design "validated" by Nikon's entry?

[Larry Colen]

On 9/22/2011 1:41 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

http://www.techzone360.com/news/2011/09/17/5785391.htm

Essential part:
Mirrorless interchangeable-lens cameras, which are smaller and lighter
than conventional single-lens reflex cameras, attract a wide range of
consumers including young women.

A super compact mirrorless camera was rolled out under the Pentax
brand in late August. But it was rather designed for beginners with a
small image sensor, which converts light captured through lens into an
electronic signal.

*** Equipped with a larger sensor, the new model*** will allow for a
wide variety of photo styles, such as making out-of-focus areas in a
shot much more blurry, the sources said.


Pentax brand on par with Nikon Corp. and Canon Inc. in 
interchangeable-lens cameras,


I hope that is "on par" as in market share and profitability, not 
"indistinguishable, with the same shortcomings and strengths".  :-)





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Re: Q design "validated" by Nikon's entry?

[Keith Whaley]

Darren Addy wrote:

http://www.techzone360.com/news/2011/09/17/5785391.htm

Essential part:
Mirrorless interchangeable-lens cameras, which are smaller and lighter
than conventional single-lens reflex cameras, attract a wide range of
consumers including young women.

A super compact mirrorless camera was rolled out under the Pentax
brand in late August. But it was rather designed for beginners with a
small image sensor, which converts light captured through lens into an
electronic signal.

*** Equipped with a larger sensor, the new model*** will allow for a
wide variety of photo styles, such as making out-of-focus areas in a
shot much more blurry, the sources said.


Ahhh, now THAT's exciting, isn't it...

How could Pentax, who's known, nay REnowned for it's sharp optics, 
possibly  assume folks will line up at their door to buy optics that 
take blurry seriously?


Get out...

keith



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Re: PAW--Week 36--Young Buck

[frank theriault]

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Christine Aguila
 wrote:
> Caught this on a walk in the woods.  Cheers, Christine
>
> http://aguilapaw.posterous.com
>

Beautifully rendered, perfect dof and composition, nice and sharp.
Terrific expression on his face!  A real keeper!

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Re: GESO & a question about the web & color mgt...

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
> Our old barn got a renovation, and lucky me (!), I got a studio space
> out of the deal.  It's only very recently been finished, and I'm just
> starting to get a little time to play out there.  The other day, i
> asked my daughter to sit for some portraits -- I had to capture that
> summer tan before it faded...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157627605002633/with/6172516761/

Terrific set!  Like Larry, I particularly like the shot of her
jumping.  The window frame in the background really works here.  Very
dynamic shot!


> Questions, comments, concerns are welcome...
>
> Now here's my question... I'm often frustrated when I see how my
> photos are rendered online.

Sorry, can't be of any assistance here.

cheers,
frank


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Re: Q design "validated" by Nikon's entry?

[Darren Addy]

http://www.techzone360.com/news/2011/09/17/5785391.htm

Essential part:
Mirrorless interchangeable-lens cameras, which are smaller and lighter
than conventional single-lens reflex cameras, attract a wide range of
consumers including young women.

A super compact mirrorless camera was rolled out under the Pentax
brand in late August. But it was rather designed for beginners with a
small image sensor, which converts light captured through lens into an
electronic signal.

*** Equipped with a larger sensor, the new model*** will allow for a
wide variety of photo styles, such as making out-of-focus areas in a
shot much more blurry, the sources said.

Darren Addy
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Re: Enablement

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Fernando  wrote:
> I belong to the K-5 club now! (thanks to someone buying my K10D and
> Henry's dropping the price to $1,100).
>
> Coming from the K20D I'm still getting used to the interface changes.
> The thing I like the most: quiet shutter. I was surprised with the
> lack of an SR switch, but I gained a Live View button -and the live
> view implementation is a quantum leap from the one in the K20D.
>
> I'll be out there taking some photos (and maybe a movie now...)

Excellent!

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Re: PESO - King

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Fernando  wrote:
> Excellent
>

Thanks, Fernando, and thanks as well to everyone who looked and commented.

cheers,
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Re: PESO: Free Lunch

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Daniel J. Matyola
 wrote:
> http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=main&webtag=djm1963&entry=139
>
> Comments and criticisms are requested.

Lovely!

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Re: GESO & a question about the web & color mgt...

[Bruce Walker]

On 11-09-22 4:02 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:


One thing about them that I see on a lot of portraits is that the highlights
on the skin seem a bit overexposed to me, so that detail is lost.  I don't
know whether this is a style thing, that it smooths out the skin, I just
have a different idea of proper exposure, or an artifact of flickr's
compressing the files down.


Flickr may do many objectionable things, but messing up JPEGs isn't one 
of them, as far as I'm concerned. Of all the photo sites I've tried, 
Flickr's image quality is near the top. In fact I quite often download 
my own images back from Flickr for re-uploading to other sites.


So I seriously doubt that any exposure or colour shifts have occurred as 
a result of Flickr's file handling.



I will admit to some hot spots on her forehead... I probably could
have controlled for the window light a little better... I tried some
fiddling with it in LR, but didn't feel like it looked natural... In
the end, decided to let it go&  call it "style".  ;)


Well you are good company, Christine. Intentional overexposure is a 
trendy portraiture technique right now, and people pay good money for Ps 
and Lightroom presets to get that effect. It's a kind of near-high-key 
look and is great for minimizing blemishes without resorting to a lot of 
PP and plugins.


I wouldn't consider the hotspots in these shots to be a problem. They 
aren't actually blown out and there's still detail there.  But if you 
want to tame them, Scott Kelby explains a simple technique to remove 
them in a couple of his books.  Basically you use the Patch tool, clone 
in a similar area that isn't hot (eg elsewhere in the forehead), then 
use the Edit->Fade Patch Selection tool to blend it in nicely.  Takes a 
few seconds per fix.


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Re: GESO & a question about the web & color mgt...

[Mark Roberts]

Christine Nielsen wrote:

>I'm often frustrated when I see how my
>photos are rendered online.  My monitor is calibrated, and in the
>editing process, everything seems to go just fine.  I make sure I
>export in srgb.  Once my photos are loaded onto different websites
>(blogger, picasa, flickr, facebook, etc), it's another story.  I know
>that different monitors might render images differently, but even on
>the same, calibrated monitor that i use for editing, it seems that
>different browsers (I have firefox, safari & chrome, chrome being the
>worst offender) & different websites treat my images differently.
>Even on flickr, just now, my images have a funky red cast in slideshow
>format that doesn't show up in thumbnail/set views, and certainly
>isn't the way I edited them.
>
>So... what to do?  Anything?  Maybe it's me... Or is this just the way
>it goes???  Any thoughts are appreciated...

There's a big can of worms you're opening here, with a potential for
discussion of monitor profiling vs calibration (they're two different
things, though you're probably doing both), color spaces, browser
image rendering and ICC profile awareness. It's a jungle in there.

So, before anything else... Can you point me at an example of one of
your images (the same file) looking different on several different
sites?

If you're putting your images into sRGB color space, there shouldn't
be much difference between having color management on or off (that's
why the sRGB color space was designed).
 
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Re: GESO & a question about the web & color mgt...

[steve harley]

on 2011-09-22 13:05 Christine Nielsen wrote

I know
that different monitors might render images differently, but even on
the same, calibrated monitor that i use for editing, it seems that
different browsers (I have firefox, safari&  chrome, chrome being the
worst offender)&  different websites treat my images differently.
Even on flickr, just now, my images have a funky red cast in slideshow
format that doesn't show up in thumbnail/set views, and certainly
isn't the way I edited them.

So... what to do?  Anything?  Maybe it's me... Or is this just the way
it goes???  Any thoughts are appreciated...


it's pretty much the way it goes; there are several factors: how accurate is 
the monitor on which you edit? is your editing software doing color management 
the way the rest of your system is? is your color profile being preserved in 
the uploaded version? are the browsers color-managed?


your mention of Chrome is not surprising — i understand that it doesn't respect 
image profiles


you can do controlled tests of your browsers against several online images to 
isolate whether it is the browser or Flickr, etc. — search for something like 
"browser color management test" for many examples; i don't claim to know which 
is best, but the rollovers on this one are interesting:




(however i think it is in some respects dated)

in the end, the factor you can least control is how other people will see your 
image on the web — leaving aside the outdated OS and browser versions, most 
people are viewing the web on low-quality, unprofiled monitors, and often in 
uncontrolled lighting conditions, so you need to think like the audio producers 
who listen to mixes on a clock radio to hear what the masses will hear


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Re: GESO & a question about the web & color mgt...

[Tim Bray]

That last shot is amazing, wonderful.

As for online presentation, yeah, there are a lot of processes that
are going to abuse your precious bits.  This is one reason I self-host
everything I care about at tbray.org; the "large" versions of my pix
are what comes out of Lightroom.

Having said that, most browsers don't have color management and most
monitors are complete uncalibrated shite, so most people will see a
poor rendition.  All you can do is make it *possible* for people who
care to see approximately what you saw.

 -Tim

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
> Our old barn got a renovation, and lucky me (!), I got a studio space
> out of the deal.  It's only very recently been finished, and I'm just
> starting to get a little time to play out there.  The other day, i
> asked my daughter to sit for some portraits -- I had to capture that
> summer tan before it faded...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157627605002633/with/6172516761/
>
> Questions, comments, concerns are welcome...
>
> Now here's my question... I'm often frustrated when I see how my
> photos are rendered online.  My monitor is calibrated, and in the
> editing process, everything seems to go just fine.  I make sure I
> export in srgb.  Once my photos are loaded onto different websites
> (blogger, picasa, flickr, facebook, etc), it's another story.  I know
> that different monitors might render images differently, but even on
> the same, calibrated monitor that i use for editing, it seems that
> different browsers (I have firefox, safari & chrome, chrome being the
> worst offender) & different websites treat my images differently.
> Even on flickr, just now, my images have a funky red cast in slideshow
> format that doesn't show up in thumbnail/set views, and certainly
> isn't the way I edited them.
>
> So... what to do?  Anything?  Maybe it's me... Or is this just the way
> it goes???  Any thoughts are appreciated...
>
>
> Thanks all,
> -c
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Re: GESO & a question about the web & color mgt...

[Christine Nielsen]

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Christine,
> Nice photos and a charming daughter.
> I use Picassa and Photo.net
> Picassa for more casual stuff as colors will wander.
> I take my best stuff to Photo.net as a more reliable display.
> Regards,  Bob S.

Thanks, Bob!

I've not used photo.net before, though I know many of the pdml do...
I'll look into it...

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Re: GESO & a question about the web & color mgt...

[Christine Nielsen]

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> On 9/22/2011 12:05 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:
>>
>> Our old barn got a renovation, and lucky me (!), I got a studio space
>> out of the deal.  It's only very recently been finished, and I'm just
>> starting to get a little time to play out there.  The other day, i
>> asked my daughter to sit for some portraits -- I had to capture that
>> summer tan before it faded...
>>
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157627605002633/with/6172516761/
>>
>> Questions, comments, concerns are welcome...
>
> That's a nice set. Of photos.  I particularly like the last one, with her
> jumping. Lighting, composition, energy, expression... very nice, it even has
> a pretty girl in it.  To me, it looks like it's cocked ever so slightly
> anti-clockwise, but the bottom of the window sill looks horizontal. Maybe my
> glasses are crooked.

Thanks -- I'll take another look at that last one... though I will
mention that the barn is over 150 yrs old... so nothing is level or
straight!  :)
>
> One thing about them that I see on a lot of portraits is that the highlights
> on the skin seem a bit overexposed to me, so that detail is lost.  I don't
> know whether this is a style thing, that it smooths out the skin, I just
> have a different idea of proper exposure, or an artifact of flickr's
> compressing the files down.

I will admit to some hot spots on her forehead... I probably could
have controlled for the window light a little better... I tried some
fiddling with it in LR, but didn't feel like it looked natural... In
the end, decided to let it go & call it "style".  ;)
>
>>
>> Now here's my question... I'm often frustrated when I see how my
>> photos are rendered online.  My monitor is calibrated, and in the
>> editing process, everything seems to go just fine.  I make sure I
>> export in srgb.  Once my photos are loaded onto different websites
>> (blogger, picasa, flickr, facebook, etc), it's another story.  I know
>> that different monitors might render images differently, but even on
>> the same, calibrated monitor that i use for editing, it seems that
>> different browsers (I have firefox, safari&  chrome, chrome being the
>> worst offender)&  different websites treat my images differently.
>> Even on flickr, just now, my images have a funky red cast in slideshow
>> format that doesn't show up in thumbnail/set views, and certainly
>> isn't the way I edited them.
>
> Does it show up when you upload, then download the full resolution version?

When I download the full-res from flickr, it looks pretty much how I
think it should... as do the thumbnails, etc on flickr... in the
slideshow is where  things get weird.
In blogger... I'm not sure if I can retrieve the full-res file that I
uploaded... When I upload, it saves the image in a set on picasa...
that file when I look at it, and download it, is wacky.  Too
pink/red...  But, when I simply upload the image directly to picasa,
it seems to do ok.  So, I think blogger is messing with me.  From my
hard drive, I can open a jpeg in firefox & safari & it looks ok... if
I open it in chrome, again, too red.

>  I suspect that most of these online photo sites compress files, and may be
> more concerned with compression efficiency than file fidelity.  They have to
> compress them for the smaller pictures anyways, so they get to choose their
> level of compression.
>
> BTW, what little I can see of the studio looks wonderful.  Any shots of the
> space rather than just using the space?
> How big is it, it looks like it'll work as a dance studio, not just a photo
> studio.

I'll have to get some pics organized to show off... it's about 40 x 20
(ish)... I do come up here pretty much every day & do a happy dance.
Does that count?  :)

Thanks!

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Re: GESO & a question about the web & color mgt...

[Bob Sullivan]

Christine,
Nice photos and a charming daughter.
I use Picassa and Photo.net
Picassa for more casual stuff as colors will wander.
I take my best stuff to Photo.net as a more reliable display.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
> Our old barn got a renovation, and lucky me (!), I got a studio space
> out of the deal.  It's only very recently been finished, and I'm just
> starting to get a little time to play out there.  The other day, i
> asked my daughter to sit for some portraits -- I had to capture that
> summer tan before it faded...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157627605002633/with/6172516761/
>
> Questions, comments, concerns are welcome...
>
> Now here's my question... I'm often frustrated when I see how my
> photos are rendered online.  My monitor is calibrated, and in the
> editing process, everything seems to go just fine.  I make sure I
> export in srgb.  Once my photos are loaded onto different websites
> (blogger, picasa, flickr, facebook, etc), it's another story.  I know
> that different monitors might render images differently, but even on
> the same, calibrated monitor that i use for editing, it seems that
> different browsers (I have firefox, safari & chrome, chrome being the
> worst offender) & different websites treat my images differently.
> Even on flickr, just now, my images have a funky red cast in slideshow
> format that doesn't show up in thumbnail/set views, and certainly
> isn't the way I edited them.
>
> So... what to do?  Anything?  Maybe it's me... Or is this just the way
> it goes???  Any thoughts are appreciated...
>
>
> Thanks all,
> -c
>
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Re: GESO & a question about the web & color mgt...

[Larry Colen]

On 9/22/2011 12:05 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:

Our old barn got a renovation, and lucky me (!), I got a studio space
out of the deal.  It's only very recently been finished, and I'm just
starting to get a little time to play out there.  The other day, i
asked my daughter to sit for some portraits -- I had to capture that
summer tan before it faded...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157627605002633/with/6172516761/

Questions, comments, concerns are welcome...


That's a nice set. Of photos.  I particularly like the last one, with 
her jumping. Lighting, composition, energy, expression... very nice, it 
even has a pretty girl in it.  To me, it looks like it's cocked ever so 
slightly anti-clockwise, but the bottom of the window sill looks 
horizontal. Maybe my glasses are crooked.


One thing about them that I see on a lot of portraits is that the 
highlights on the skin seem a bit overexposed to me, so that detail is 
lost.  I don't know whether this is a style thing, that it smooths out 
the skin, I just have a different idea of proper exposure, or an 
artifact of flickr's compressing the files down.




Now here's my question... I'm often frustrated when I see how my
photos are rendered online.  My monitor is calibrated, and in the
editing process, everything seems to go just fine.  I make sure I
export in srgb.  Once my photos are loaded onto different websites
(blogger, picasa, flickr, facebook, etc), it's another story.  I know
that different monitors might render images differently, but even on
the same, calibrated monitor that i use for editing, it seems that
different browsers (I have firefox, safari&  chrome, chrome being the
worst offender)&  different websites treat my images differently.
Even on flickr, just now, my images have a funky red cast in slideshow
format that doesn't show up in thumbnail/set views, and certainly
isn't the way I edited them.


Does it show up when you upload, then download the full resolution 
version?  I suspect that most of these online photo sites compress 
files, and may be more concerned with compression efficiency than file 
fidelity.  They have to compress them for the smaller pictures anyways, 
so they get to choose their level of compression.


BTW, what little I can see of the studio looks wonderful.  Any shots of 
the space rather than just using the space?
How big is it, it looks like it'll work as a dance studio, not just a 
photo studio.




So... what to do?  Anything?  Maybe it's me... Or is this just the way
it goes???  Any thoughts are appreciated...


Thanks all,
-c




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GESO & a question about the web & color mgt...

[Christine Nielsen]

Our old barn got a renovation, and lucky me (!), I got a studio space
out of the deal.  It's only very recently been finished, and I'm just
starting to get a little time to play out there.  The other day, i
asked my daughter to sit for some portraits -- I had to capture that
summer tan before it faded...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157627605002633/with/6172516761/

Questions, comments, concerns are welcome...

Now here's my question... I'm often frustrated when I see how my
photos are rendered online.  My monitor is calibrated, and in the
editing process, everything seems to go just fine.  I make sure I
export in srgb.  Once my photos are loaded onto different websites
(blogger, picasa, flickr, facebook, etc), it's another story.  I know
that different monitors might render images differently, but even on
the same, calibrated monitor that i use for editing, it seems that
different browsers (I have firefox, safari & chrome, chrome being the
worst offender) & different websites treat my images differently.
Even on flickr, just now, my images have a funky red cast in slideshow
format that doesn't show up in thumbnail/set views, and certainly
isn't the way I edited them.

So... what to do?  Anything?  Maybe it's me... Or is this just the way
it goes???  Any thoughts are appreciated...


Thanks all,
-c

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Re: Enablement

[Mark C]

Cool - I hope to join you soon... My K5 is scheduled to arrive today.

On 9/22/2011 12:23 AM, Fernando wrote:

I belong to the K-5 club now! (thanks to someone buying my K10D and
Henry's dropping the price to $1,100).

Coming from the K20D I'm still getting used to the interface changes.
The thing I like the most: quiet shutter. I was surprised with the
lack of an SR switch, but I gained a Live View button -and the live
view implementation is a quantum leap from the one in the K20D.

I'll be out there taking some photos (and maybe a movie now...)




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Re: My backyard is humbling me

[John Sessoms]

From: steve harley

on 2011-09-21 14:48 Larry Colen wrote

I have thought of using the strobes during daylight.

yeah, that's what i meant, strobes at twilight


... at 20 paces.

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Re: My backyard is humbling me

[John Sessoms]

From: Doug Brewer

On 9/21/11 2:40 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: "Collin Brendemuehl"

The magnitude of scale is almost impossible to communicate in a picture.

Unless you cut it down and have a team of lumberjacks standing on the
stump.

http://www.historicalstockphotos.com/images/xsmall/2597_lumberjacks_on_a_stump.jpg



or park your car among them.



My family took a "vacation" to California in 1960 & on the way back 
visited Yosemite & the giant redwoods. At that time the tree with the 
tunnel carved through it was still open to drive through.


I'm afraid the photos from that trip are long gone.

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Re: Did It! K-5 On The Way

[John Sessoms]

Whenever the glass does turn out to be half full, it's a pleasant 
surprise. (or it's ONLY half empty)


But, I like to think of myself as more of a "Yeah, bad weather makes for 
good photos, but I still got sense enough to come in out of the rain" 
kind of guy.


From: Paul Sorenson

You're really a "My cup is really, totally empty" kind of guy, aren't
you.  Not even "My cup is only half full".

;>}

-p

On 9/20/2011 12:04 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

Right. Your new camera is weather sealed, so it doesn't matter if *YOU*
get soaked and catch your death from cold.

I hope it doesn't rain either Mark.

From: Jack Davis

Just read this and am likely not the first one to comment about this,
but them K5 is grommeted and sealed against moisture and dust. So, you
needn't worry about the rain.

Jack

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Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 5:38 PM
Subject: Did It! K-5 On The Way

Paul's comments on the non-incremental improvement of the K-5 over the
K-7 gave me the impetus to finally commit, and I just placed my order
for a K-5 and a couple of 8 gig cards with B&H.

I hope it doesn't rain this weekend...

MCC


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Re: Q design "validated" by Nikon's entry?

[John Sessoms]

From: Tom C

It doesn't validate it to me. I'm not sure what camera companies are
thinking, but it seems to be along the lines of  'hey, there's some
sucker out there that will buy anything if we make it and market it
right'. It's almost like they're deliberately attempting to insult the
consumers intelligence. Maybe image quality (IQ) = intelligence
quotient (IQ).


Their target market is young people. We're not.

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Re: PESO: Free Lunch

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Bob and Bruce.  It is one of my favorite deer images of this year.

I'm not as close as it may appear.  I was using my Tamron 75-300 mm
f/4.5-5.6 cranked all the way out to just under 300.

They are getting quite bold of late.  They seldom run from us when we
are in a car, but are much shyer when we are on foot.  When the fawns
are small, the does will walk up pretty close to you to distract you
from a hidden fawn.  The bucks now stand and stare at my puppy  if are
in the yard when I let him out. He just stands his ground, and stares
right back, until the move on.   He is about 40 pounds now;  I am
wondering what he and they will do when he gets to be an 85-90 pound
adult.

The deer have destroyed most of my shrubs and small trees outside the
fenced-in pool area.

Dan
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On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> On 11-09-22 12:56 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=main&webtag=djm1963&entry=139
>>
>> Comments and criticisms are requested.
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>
> There ain't no such thing.
>
> Fine shot though; very clear.
>
> -bmw
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Re: Q design "validated" by Nikon's entry?

[Tom C]

> She is writing a lot about the Q's image quality. Have she tried it? If not, 
> I don't think she is much to rely on.
>
> A few comments I saw about the Nikon:
> "I handled the J1 today, and did a review for Adorama of the Q. To be honest 
> Steve, the Q is light years ahead in usability, and feels as solid as a brick 
> thanks to it?s construction. The J1 felt literally like a plastic toy in my 
> hand and gave me zero confidence in handling it"
> http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2011/09/21/nikon-enters-the-game-with-the-new-mirrorless-j1-and-v1-cameras/
>
>
> Stig Vidar Hovland
>
> 
> Fra: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] på vegne av Tom C 
> [caka...@gmail.com]
> Sendt: 21. september 2011 18:06
> Til: pdml@pdml.net
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>
> This zdnet article (link below) pretty much sums up my thoughts on the
> Q
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/digitalcameras/pentax-q-smallest-compact-interchangeable-lens-camera-sports-biggest-price-tag/5084?tag=mantle_skin;content
>
> Tom C.

No doubt she hasn't, but one can infer to some degree from the specs.
Really, just about any modern digital camera on the market has
*acceptable* image quality within a certain set of parameters. My
Canon S90 and G10 which have small sensors have excellent image
quality for the shooting circumstances and purposes for which I use
them. Compared to my NEX-5 their limitations easily become evident.
I'm sure the Q will also produce excellent images within a defined set
of parameters.

The issue to now was how an $800 camera with such a small sensor would
fair against similar 4/3 and APS-C offerings that have similar or even
lower price points. The answer will no doubt be that it's a nice
camera, but not alot of bang for the buck (at $800) compared to some
of the competition.

Tom C.

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Re: 1st lens tumble & other what not

[Charles Robinson]

On Sep 22, 2011, at 10:07, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> 
> On Sep 22, 2011, at 7:37 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
> 
>> It is disturbing, isn't it?  My most recent was last year, the FA20-35.
> 
> Very disturbing. My most recent was in 1977, a brand new Fuji 50 1.8. Bent 
> the filter ring. I'm still annoyed when I see it sitting on my shelf with 
> that ding in the ring, but I've been rather cautious ever since. Knock, knock.
> 

In 2005 I was in Ireland with my family.   My daughter was using my old 
ME-Super with the A-50 f1.7.  We were on some cobblestone shopping street when 
she lost control of the camera for a bit and it landed right on the lens.  The 
body survived, but the lens was a complete and utter loss.  Made me sad.

 -Charles

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Re: 1st lens tumble & other what not

[Paul Stenquist]

On Sep 22, 2011, at 7:37 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

> It is disturbing, isn't it?  My most recent was last year, the FA20-35.

Very disturbing. My most recent was in 1977, a brand new Fuji 50 1.8. Bent the 
filter ring. I'm still annoyed when I see it sitting on my shelf with that ding 
in the ring, but I've been rather cautious ever since. Knock, knock.

Paul


> 
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Christine Aguila  
> wrote:
>> My FA 50mm f 1.4 took a very bad tumble today.  It fell from about waist 
>> high to a hard floor.  I tried it out and it seems to be working.  I don't 
>> hear any crunching noises, and it focuses in both daylight and low light.  I 
>> don't even see any scratches anywhere.  This is the first time I've dropped 
>> a lens--totally freaked me out, but I'm thinking I'll be ok.
>> 
>> I'm so behind on PDML and will try to catch up over the weekend.
>> 
>> Cheers, Christine/Chicago
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Re: Q design "validated" by Nikon's entry?

[Bipin Gupta]

Yep, but the Nikon copy cat is so ugly. The Pentax Q on the other hand
is a beauty. Do hope the prices will drop, as these small sensor
cameras are glorified P&S with polished in camera boosting softwares.
The more entries the better - so welcome.

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Re: GESO - Band on the Run

[Paul Sorenson]

"Great minds..."

-p

On 9/20/2011 3:17 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Paul, That's kinda what I was thinking...

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

Well done. God, he's old!

Paul
On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Tom C wrote:


http://photo.net/photodb/presentation?presentation_id=539118

By you know who.

Tom C.

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Re: PESO: Free Lunch

[Bruce Walker]

On 11-09-22 12:56 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=main&webtag=djm1963&entry=139

Comments and criticisms are requested.

Dan Matyola
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There ain't no such thing.

Fine shot though; very clear.

-bmw

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Re: 1st lens tumble & other what not

[Bob Sullivan]

Ouch!  I hope it still takes good pictures.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Christine Aguila
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> My FA 50mm f 1.4 took a very bad tumble today.  It fell from about waist high 
> to a hard floor.  I tried it out and it seems to be working.  I don't hear 
> any crunching noises, and it focuses in both daylight and low light.  I don't 
> even see any scratches anywhere.  This is the first time I've dropped a 
> lens--totally freaked me out, but I'm thinking I'll be ok.
>
> I'm so behind on PDML and will try to catch up over the weekend.
>
> Cheers, Christine/Chicago
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Re: PESO: Free Lunch

[Bob Sullivan]

Dan,
Very nice visitor, and a good catch.
That is really close for a wild anmal.
Regards,  Bob S.

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> Comments and criticisms are requested.
>
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Re: Enablement

[Bruce Walker]

On 11-09-22 12:23 AM, Fernando wrote:

I belong to the K-5 club now! (thanks to someone buying my K10D and
Henry's dropping the price to $1,100).

Coming from the K20D I'm still getting used to the interface changes.
The thing I like the most: quiet shutter. I was surprised with the
lack of an SR switch, but I gained a Live View button -and the live
view implementation is a quantum leap from the one in the K20D.

I'll be out there taking some photos (and maybe a movie now...)



Congratulations, Fernando. Looking forward to seeing lots of new work 
from you!


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Re: 1st lens tumble & other what not

[Christine Nielsen]

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> My FA 50mm f 1.4 took a very bad tumble today.  It fell from about waist high 
> to a hard floor.  I tried it out and it seems to be working.  I don't hear 
> any crunching noises, and it focuses in both daylight and low light.  I don't 
> even see any scratches anywhere.  This is the first time I've dropped a 
> lens--totally freaked me out, but I'm thinking I'll be ok.
>

Gah!  Wincing as I read that.  Hopefully no lasting harm, to you or the lens!

:)
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Re: PESO - Distractions

[Jack Davis]

Exchanging pheromones. 
 
Jack

From: frank theriault 
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Subject: PESO - Distractions

Hope you enjoy:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/09/distractions.html

Comments always welcome.

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Re: 1st lens tumble & other what not

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It is disturbing, isn't it?  My most recent was last year, the FA20-35.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> My FA 50mm f 1.4 took a very bad tumble today.  It fell from about waist high 
> to a hard floor.  I tried it out and it seems to be working.  I don't hear 
> any crunching noises, and it focuses in both daylight and low light.  I don't 
> even see any scratches anywhere.  This is the first time I've dropped a 
> lens--totally freaked me out, but I'm thinking I'll be ok.
>
> I'm so behind on PDML and will try to catch up over the weekend.
>
> Cheers, Christine/Chicago
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Re: Q design "validated" by Nikon's entry?

[Steven Desjardins]

Assuming I'm the below-mentioned Steve, I've heard that myself, at
least about the quality of the Q.  Honestly folks, the only validation
of either camera will be sales.  Even if we don't like these cameras,
if they sell to any demographic they they are a success.  I have no
prediction abut sales, of course, but I've been surprise before.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:13 AM, SV Hovland  wrote:
> She is writing a lot about the Q's image quality. Have she tried it? If not, 
> I don't think she is much to rely on.
>
> A few comments I saw about the Nikon:
> "I handled the J1 today, and did a review for Adorama of the Q. To be honest 
> Steve, the Q is light years ahead in usability, and feels as solid as a brick 
> thanks to it’s construction. The J1 felt literally like a plastic toy in my 
> hand and gave me zero confidence in handling it"
> http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2011/09/21/nikon-enters-the-game-with-the-new-mirrorless-j1-and-v1-cameras/
>
>
> Stig Vidar Hovland
>
> 
> Fra: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] på vegne av Tom C 
> [caka...@gmail.com]
> Sendt: 21. september 2011 18:06
> Til: pdml@pdml.net
> Emne: Re: Q design "validated" by Nikon's entry?
>
> This zdnet article (link below) pretty much sums up my thoughts on the
> Q
>
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PESO - Distractions

[frank theriault]

Hope you enjoy:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/09/distractions.html

Comments always welcome.

cheers,
frank

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Re: Q design "validated" by Nikon's entry?

[SV Hovland]

She is writing a lot about the Q's image quality. Have she tried it? If not, I 
don't think she is much to rely on.

A few comments I saw about the Nikon:
"I handled the J1 today, and did a review for Adorama of the Q. To be honest 
Steve, the Q is light years ahead in usability, and feels as solid as a brick 
thanks to it’s construction. The J1 felt literally like a plastic toy in my 
hand and gave me zero confidence in handling it"
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2011/09/21/nikon-enters-the-game-with-the-new-mirrorless-j1-and-v1-cameras/


Stig Vidar Hovland


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Emne: Re: Q design "validated" by Nikon's entry?

This zdnet article (link below) pretty much sums up my thoughts on the
Q

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/digitalcameras/pentax-q-smallest-compact-interchangeable-lens-camera-sports-biggest-price-tag/5084?tag=mantle_skin;content

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