Re: OT - Samsung Reportedly Will Stop Sourcing Apple

[steve harley]

on 2012-10-23 22:40 Boris Liberman wrote

Well, no. In fact, there is nothing immoral in stopping dealing with Apple.
Like it is always said - "nothing personal, just business"... Someone up the
ladder came up with the power point presentation that appears to support the
idea that in terms of profit this would be the best move for Samsung and hence
the decision was eventually made.

I am surprised it wasn't made way earlier, in fact.


but the decision wasn't made; a headline was written and the result is a lesson 
in how we should be more careful about believing what the media tell us




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Re: Q 1.10 firmware

[Bob Sullivan]

645D?  And isn't in camera stabilization a Pentax patent?  Bob S.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> That post in steves-digicams.com that I linked to earlier noted that:
> "SR with adapted lenses -- This now works like the DSLRs, but the
> setting of the FL is different. I can enter any FL between 0 and
> .9"
>
> I wonder if this was necessary because of the higher precision needed
> for SR in the smaller sensor
> and
> if this means that future firmware updates might modify SR in the big
> cameras to modify things the same way.
>
> By the way (changing the subject), is there anybody that does in-body
> SR on a full frame sensor other than Sony? Just wondering if that is
> what is mucking up the development issues for Pentax (that would not
> have been an issue for most of the other players). Sony has it in
> their new A99, but I wonder if Pentax has to work around patent issues
> (or bite the bullet and license it, if possible).
>
> From Sony A99 specs:
> "Image Stabilization : SteadyShot INSIDE™ in-body image stabilization.
> Compensation effect: Equivalent to approx. 2.5 to 4.5 steps in shutter
> speeds *Varies according to shooting conditions and lens used. Type:
> For still images: Image Sensor-Shift mechanism, For movies: Electronic
> "
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Re: Can't post to PDML with Nexus 7

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Laser disc?  Better look underneath the BetaMax...

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> I had that movie on laserdisc, think I tossed it after we moved in
> 2010. Haven't seen it in ages. Maybe tonight... :-)
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Tim Bray  wrote:
>> Damn, I love that movie.  -T
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>> Keep in mind that The PDML and its community is not ordinary.
>>>
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>>> Man.
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>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Tim Bray  wrote:
 With the ordinary gmail client called Gmail, that ordinary people who
 just want to send and receive email use. Maybe it has an
 ultra-plain-text setting like desktop gmail, but I can’t find it. -T

 On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Mark Roberts
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> Tim Bray wrote:
>
>>My Nexus 7 tablet gmail app apparently doesn’t have a way to post with
>>sufficiently plain text to be accepted by the PDML back-end.  This
>>feels like a problem to me.  Has someone figured out how to do this?
>
> What email client? I can post from my Toshiba Android tablet using the
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Re: NSFA (Not Safe for Ann): The Big Buck

[Daniel J. Matyola]

They have a goal, which they generally meet.  The season is limited by
state regulations.
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On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 5:02 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> Do they have a certain number that they're supposed to remove or are they
> just supposed to remove as many as they can within a designated season?
>
> I am not a hunter myself, but I know a tiny bit about deer seasons ... for
> self preservation if/when I'm in the woods for photography in the fall.
>
> From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
>
>> Our hunters get about a dozen each year.
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Steven Desjardins 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We have a similar program here in Lexington.  Professional bow
>>> hunters, culling the herd, meat to the local agencies.  Of course,
>>> last year they got exactly one deer so it's not a rousing success.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Ann Sanfedele 
>>> wrote:

 Glad to hear about the homeless program donations.  that seems wise.
 ann
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Re: PESO - Brendan

[Daniel J. Matyola]

A warm and appealing portrait, Frank.
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On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:16 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> Brendan is bike messenger who needed a portrait done. Saw my camera and 
> asked, so I obliged:
>
>  http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/10/brendan.html?m=0
>
> Just an informal "in the street" portrait but I am pleased with it. Hope he 
> will be too.
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> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
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> Cheers,
> frank
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RE: OT contact juggling

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

That was impossible.

At one point I swear I saw three arms...

Cheers,
frank

--- Original Message ---

From: Bruce Walker 
Sent: October 26, 2012 10/26/12
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Subject: OT contact juggling

This is six minutes really well spent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9PlWQNO0i0


(I can hear the pun thread arriving already ...)

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Re: PESO - Brendan

[Kenneth Waller]

Curious as to why you took a portrait in the landscape orientation?


-Original Message-
>From: "knarftheria...@gmail.com" 
>Subject: PESO - Brendan
>
>Brendan is bike messenger who needed a portrait done. Saw my camera and asked, 
>so I obliged:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/10/brendan.html?m=0
>
>Just an informal "in the street" portrait but I am pleased with it. Hope he 
>will be too.
>
>Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
>
>Cheers,
>frank 
>
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Re: PESO - Brendan

[Ann Sanfedele]

On 10/26/2012 23:10, Jack Davis wrote:

Nice, soft, shadow free, lighting. Crisp straight on image that works.

Jack


Great expression - I think you can see a lot of what he msut be like in 
that snap, Frank.


ann





- Original Message -
From: "knarftheria...@gmail.com" 
To: PDML@pdml.net
Cc:
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 7:16 PM
Subject: PESO - Brendan

Brendan is bike messenger who needed a portrait done. Saw my camera and asked, 
so I obliged:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/10/brendan.html?m=0

Just an informal "in the street" portrait but I am pleased with it. Hope he 
will be too.

Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

Cheers,
frank

"If the world were clear, art would not exist." -- Albert Camus



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Re: PESO - Brendan

[Jack Davis]

Nice, soft, shadow free, lighting. Crisp straight on image that works.
 
Jack 



- Original Message -
From: "knarftheria...@gmail.com" 
To: PDML@pdml.net
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 7:16 PM
Subject: PESO - Brendan

Brendan is bike messenger who needed a portrait done. Saw my camera and asked, 
so I obliged:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/10/brendan.html?m=0

Just an informal "in the street" portrait but I am pleased with it. Hope he 
will be too.

Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

Cheers,
frank 

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Re: PESO - Brendan

[Tim Bray]

Good portrait.

Either I need to screen-correct my mac or it has a bit of a green
cast.  Anyone else see green, or do I need to break out the old Spyder
thingie? -T

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 7:16 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
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> Brendan is bike messenger who needed a portrait done. Saw my camera and 
> asked, so I obliged:
>
>  http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/10/brendan.html?m=0
>
> Just an informal "in the street" portrait but I am pleased with it. Hope he 
> will be too.
>
> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
>
> Cheers,
> frank
>
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PESO - Brendan

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

Brendan is bike messenger who needed a portrait done. Saw my camera and asked, 
so I obliged:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/10/brendan.html?m=0

Just an informal "in the street" portrait but I am pleased with it. Hope he 
will be too.

Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

Cheers,
frank 

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Re: NSFA (Not Safe for Ann): The Big Buck

[Ann Sanfedele]

Ok - I resisted for a while...
but now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iATzgXyhYRs

ann

On 10/26/2012 17:02, John Sessoms wrote:

Do they have a certain number that they're supposed to remove or are
they just supposed to remove as many as they can within a designated
season?

I am not a hunter myself, but I know a tiny bit about deer seasons ...
for self preservation if/when I'm in the woods for photography in the fall.

From: "Daniel J. Matyola"


Our hunters get about a dozen each year.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Steven Desjardins
 wrote:

We have a similar program here in Lexington.  Professional bow
hunters, culling the herd, meat to the local agencies.  Of course,
last year they got exactly one deer so it's not a rousing success.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Ann Sanfedele 
wrote:

Glad to hear about the homeless program donations.  that seems wise.
ann




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Re: Testing text email send -please ignore-

[Ann Sanfedele]

Ann has ALWAYS been frisky

a

On 10/26/2012 18:04, Steven Desjardins wrote:

Boy, one dead deer thread and Ann is getting frisky.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

LOL

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

nope , you're screwed byebye

a


On 10/26/2012 16:12, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


Testing to see whether Plain Text on the iPad can send to PDML.

G


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Re: Can't post to PDML with Nexus 7

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I had that movie on laserdisc, think I tossed it after we moved in
2010. Haven't seen it in ages. Maybe tonight... :-)

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Tim Bray  wrote:
> Damn, I love that movie.  -T
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
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>>
>> "Look at those assholes, ordinary fucking people. I hate 'em." -- Bud; Repo 
>> Man.
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>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Tim Bray  wrote:
>>> With the ordinary gmail client called Gmail, that ordinary people who
>>> just want to send and receive email use. Maybe it has an
>>> ultra-plain-text setting like desktop gmail, but I can’t find it. -T
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Mark Roberts
>>>  wrote:
 Tim Bray wrote:

>My Nexus 7 tablet gmail app apparently doesn’t have a way to post with
>sufficiently plain text to be accepted by the PDML back-end.  This
>feels like a problem to me.  Has someone figured out how to do this?

 What email client? I can post from my Toshiba Android tablet using the
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Re: Testing text email send -please ignore-

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Chaotic systems are like that. ]'-)

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> Boy, one dead deer thread and Ann is getting frisky.
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> LOL
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>>> nope , you're screwed byebye
>>>
>>> a
>>>
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>>> On 10/26/2012 16:12, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 Testing to see whether Plain Text on the iPad can send to PDML.

 G


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Re: Can't post to PDML with Nexus 7

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Damn, I love that movie.  -T

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> "Look at those assholes, ordinary fucking people. I hate 'em." -- Bud; Repo 
> Man.
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> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Tim Bray  wrote:
>> With the ordinary gmail client called Gmail, that ordinary people who
>> just want to send and receive email use. Maybe it has an
>> ultra-plain-text setting like desktop gmail, but I can’t find it. -T
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Mark Roberts
>>  wrote:
>>> Tim Bray wrote:
>>>
My Nexus 7 tablet gmail app apparently doesn’t have a way to post with
sufficiently plain text to be accepted by the PDML back-end.  This
feels like a problem to me.  Has someone figured out how to do this?
>>>
>>> What email client? I can post from my Toshiba Android tablet using the
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Re: FS Friday: Sigma AF 180mm F3.5 APO EX MACRO

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So whats the ballpark of the current bid?


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2012/10/26 Krisjanis Linkevics :
> The old non-DG non-HSM version of the lens.
> I always had good results with it on my *istD and K10D but I haven't used it 
> in some 6 years.
> There's no reason for me to hang on to it. That said, there is also no reason 
> for me to sell it other than to fuel my own LBA.
>
> Today I saw an ongoing auction for one just like that on the evil auction 
> site and was pleasantly surprised with the current bid. So if you want it, 
> are not turned off by its European origin (customs and all) and are ready to 
> offer something in the ballpark of the current bid on the one that's on the 
> eekbay, let me know.
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Re: NSFA (Not Safe for Ann): The Big Buck

[Bruce Walker]

Maybe it's that sign you have: The Buck Stops Here.


On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> This is the second buck that has died in my yard after being shot with
> a bow.  The one three years ago was quite a bit smaller.


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Re: Can't post to PDML with Nexus 7

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Keep in mind that The PDML and its community is not ordinary.

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On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Tim Bray  wrote:
> With the ordinary gmail client called Gmail, that ordinary people who
> just want to send and receive email use. Maybe it has an
> ultra-plain-text setting like desktop gmail, but I can’t find it. -T
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Mark Roberts
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>> Tim Bray wrote:
>>
>>>My Nexus 7 tablet gmail app apparently doesn’t have a way to post with
>>>sufficiently plain text to be accepted by the PDML back-end.  This
>>>feels like a problem to me.  Has someone figured out how to do this?
>>
>> What email client? I can post from my Toshiba Android tablet using the
>> K9 email client.
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Re: Can't post to PDML with Nexus 7

[Steven Desjardins]

Damn those people at Google.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Tim Bray  wrote:
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> just want to send and receive email use. Maybe it has an
> ultra-plain-text setting like desktop gmail, but I can’t find it. -T
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Mark Roberts
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>> Tim Bray wrote:
>>
>>>My Nexus 7 tablet gmail app apparently doesn’t have a way to post with
>>>sufficiently plain text to be accepted by the PDML back-end.  This
>>>feels like a problem to me.  Has someone figured out how to do this?
>>
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>> K9 email client.
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Re: Testing text email send -please ignore-

[Steven Desjardins]

Boy, one dead deer thread and Ann is getting frisky.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> LOL
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>> nope , you're screwed byebye
>>
>> a
>>
>>
>> On 10/26/2012 16:12, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
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>>> Testing to see whether Plain Text on the iPad can send to PDML.
>>>
>>> G
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Re: Can't post to PDML with Nexus 7

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With the ordinary gmail client called Gmail, that ordinary people who
just want to send and receive email use. Maybe it has an
ultra-plain-text setting like desktop gmail, but I can’t find it. -T

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Mark Roberts
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Re: Testing text email send -please ignore-

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LOL

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> nope , you're screwed byebye
>
> a
>
>
> On 10/26/2012 16:12, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
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>> Testing to see whether Plain Text on the iPad can send to PDML.
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>> G
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Re: NSFA (Not Safe for Ann): The Big Buck

[John Sessoms]

Do they have a certain number that they're supposed to remove or are 
they just supposed to remove as many as they can within a designated 
season?


I am not a hunter myself, but I know a tiny bit about deer seasons ... 
for self preservation if/when I'm in the woods for photography in the fall.


From: "Daniel J. Matyola"


Our hunters get about a dozen each year.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:

We have a similar program here in Lexington.  Professional bow
hunters, culling the herd, meat to the local agencies.  Of course,
last year they got exactly one deer so it's not a rousing success.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

Glad to hear about the homeless program donations.  that seems wise.
ann


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Re: Q 1.10 firmware

[Jan van Wijk]

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 13:45:50 -0400 Steven Desjardins wrote:
>
>OK, I looked but can't see these features listed under 1.10.  Where
>does it say this?

It doesn't say that AFAICT, but it IS there!

I just updated to 1.10, and while all settings were back to default (including 
last image number!)
the focus peaking setting is there and seems to work just fine!

It works best with (longer) MF lenses, less so with the 03 fisheye.

I did a few tests with the DA 35mm Macro, and when switching on the Q with
the adapter and lens attached, it prompts for the focal-length (for SR)
and you can either input arbitrary focal-lengths or select from a list of 
predefined ones.

After that (and enabling the MF assis again :-) focusing is now a real joy!

With the 4x magnification and focus-peaking, any object with some contrast 
edges in it
really stands out when focus is achieved (gets inverted color lines around it).

Will try the A8 200mm on it tomorrow ...

>On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
>> Wow. That's a great feature.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>>> Wow. I find this surprising, given that they could have made focus
>>> peaking only available on the new Q10. This gives me hope that focus
>>> peaking may be coming to a firmware upgrade for the K-5 also. Bravo
>>> Pentax!

Indeed, VERY nice additions!

Now just waiting for the 15-45mm 06 zoom to be actually available ...

Regards, JvW


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Re: Testing text email send -please ignore-

[Ann Sanfedele]

nope , you're screwed byebye

a

On 10/26/2012 16:12, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Testing to see whether Plain Text on the iPad can send to PDML.

G


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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Paul Stenquist :


On Oct 26, 2012, at 11:25 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:


From: Bruce Walker

"I should have kept the PEF files." -- said by no-one, ever. :-)

I do what Alastair does. I've shot raws since 2007 and I've tossed out
all the PEFs, keeping only the converted DNGs (some 37,000 of them).

DNG is essentially a superset of PEF and they are both lossless
formats. DNG has wide industry support, and is a de facto standard.
PEF is unique to Pentax and Pentax supports both.




What about shooting with DNG as your raw format instead of PEF? Pros & Cons?


That's what i do. I don't see a downside, and i know i can convert  
my files on almost any computer, anywhere in the world. i see no  
reason to shoot PEF.

Paul




That's my take on it as well.  I've shot DNG ever since that became an  
option.  It means I can open the DNGs in PS3 whereas I'd need to  
upgrade Photoshop if I shot PEFs (or convert them to DNG in post -  
which would be pretty pointless).  I haven't bothered to convert the  
PEFs from the *istDS but I may do one day.




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Re: PUG Themes for 2013 - The List

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Igor Roshchin :


Frank,
that photo might be suitable for September.


One may think that the themes for the "opposite" months, March and
September, were spaced far apart for a reason...
;-)



Well no, they weren't.

But now that I think about it



Cheers

Brian

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Igor


On 10/25/2012 10:19 PM, knarftheriault at gmail.com wrote:


Btw, for March would a photo of clean genitals be ok?

cheers,
frank




On 10/25/2012 18:53, Brian Walters wrote:

<..>

So...the themes:

January: Texture
February: Windows
March: Body Parts (keep it clean, folks!!)
April: Precipitation
May: Bookmarks (pick a book title - take a photo)
June: Trees
June Extra: Open Gallery - Free for All
July: Temptation
August: Signs of the Times
September: Long Exposure
October: Animal Kingdom
November: Architectural
December: Chaos







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Testing text email send -please ignore-

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Testing to see whether Plain Text on the iPad can send to PDML. 

G


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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

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On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> Depends on the camera body. The K10D and K20D create DNGs with no
> compression at all, so they quickly fill up SD cards. So I shoot PEF
> (compressed) and convert to DNG on import (then nuke the PEFs).
>
> The K-5 and probably all more recent models (eg K30) create properly
> conformant DNGs, all nicely compressed. So if I had one I'd choose
> DNG.
>
> I'm not sure which camp the K-7 falls into.

Lossless compression is a DNG option, not a conformance requirement.
So uncompressed DNG files can be just as "properly conformant" as
uncompressed ones.

It's good to hear that the K5 produces DNG files with losslessly
compressed data. It's easy enough to test whether other models do:
just output a DNG file and run it through Adobe DNG Converter or
export it from Lightroom as DNG with compression turned on. If the
resulting file becomes much smaller, you know that the original is
uncompressed.

> If you have an existing stable of PEFs, there may be a nice way in
> Lightroom to force it to reprocess them all and create DNGs from them.
> I'm not sure I'd bother myself.

It's very easy to convert PEF files (any compatible native raw files,
as a matter of fact) to DNG format in Lightroom. Just select all the
PEF files in the Library module (grid view) and then choose the
"Convert to DNG" command from the Library menu. You will be presented
with the DNG options panel ... choose the options you want and click
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Re: Can't post to PDML with Nexus 7

[Mark Roberts]

Tim Bray wrote:

>My Nexus 7 tablet gmail app apparently doesn’t have a way to post with
>sufficiently plain text to be accepted by the PDML back-end.  This
>feels like a problem to me.  Has someone figured out how to do this?

What email client? I can post from my Toshiba Android tablet using the
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Re: Can't post to PDML with Nexus 7

[Boris Liberman]

AquaMail seems too work for me.


Sent with AquaMail for Android
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On October 26, 2012 9:16:41 PM Tim Bray  wrote:

My Nexus 7 tablet gmail app apparently doesn’t have a way to post with
sufficiently plain text to be accepted by the PDML back-end.  This
feels like a problem to me.  Has someone figured out how to do this?
-T

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Re: PUG Themes for 2013 - The List

[Igor Roshchin]

Frank,
that photo might be suitable for September.


One may think that the themes for the "opposite" months, March and 
September, were spaced far apart for a reason...
;-)


Igor


On 10/25/2012 10:19 PM, knarftheriault at gmail.com wrote:
>
> Btw, for March would a photo of clean genitals be ok?
>
> cheers,
> frank
>


On 10/25/2012 18:53, Brian Walters wrote:

<..>
> So...the themes:
>
> January: Texture
> February: Windows
> March: Body Parts (keep it clean, folks!!)
> April: Precipitation
> May: Bookmarks (pick a book title - take a photo)
> June: Trees
> June Extra: Open Gallery - Free for All
> July: Temptation
> August: Signs of the Times
> September: Long Exposure
> October: Animal Kingdom
> November: Architectural
> December: Chaos
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Rest In Peace: Richard Day

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Some others on the PDML might recall Richard Day, whom I met in early 2005 on 
the DPReview Pentax SLR forum. Several of us visited with Richard and his wife 
Pat on a PDML get together in Oxford during the Spring of 2005. I've visited 
Richard and Pat a few times since then when on my travels to the British Isles, 
and we've stayed in frequent touch via email and letter. 

Richard's not been well the past couple of years and knew his time was coming. 
He wrote me this past July to say farewell as he didn't know whether he would 
make the year out or be able to communicate much further.  He's been in hospice 
for several weeks now. This morning I received this note from a mutual friend 
of ours from London:

> Sad to report that Richard died at 1.30 am today, local time. The final 
> decline was very rapid but he was not in pain for long. I think he knew when 
> I last saw him that he’d never make it home, but the hospice he was in was 
> brilliant and they gave him fantastic care.
>  
> Pat would like any donations to go to the Sue Ryder organisation who run this 
> and other hospices.
>  
> http://www.sueryder.org/What-we-do/Care-centres/Leckhampton-Court-Hospice

Richard is survived by his wife, Pat, and by his sons and their families. All 
fine people whom I have been honored to spend time with. He was a great 
enthusiast for Pentax cameras and loved the pursuit of Photography in all its 
forms.

Godspeed, Richard, you will be missed.

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Can't post to PDML with Nexus 7

[Tim Bray]

My Nexus 7 tablet gmail app apparently doesn’t have a way to post with
sufficiently plain text to be accepted by the PDML back-end.  This
feels like a problem to me.  Has someone figured out how to do this?
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Re: Q 1.10 firmware

[Darren Addy]

A commenter in a thread on dpreview noted that the focus peaking makes
the Toy lenses (manual focus) so much easier to use now. So adding
this to the firmware update for the original Q may help Pentax boost
sales of those a bit (also the Fisheye).

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Re: Q 1.10 firmware

[Toine]

Focus peaking makes life easy. It's to dark outside to try it out in
full daylight.
AF in low light is also improved.
My M50 4.0 macro is now a 280mm macro and with focus peaking I can
actually see if it's in focus without guessing, maybe SR has some
effect in this setup. No flash above 1/13s without the orginal Q
adapter,

On 26 October 2012 19:51, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> OK.  I just could's see it on the official page listed in the first
> post and didn't want to go looking.  So glad they decided not to just
> tick off the early adopters.  Focus peaking could be a huge feature,
> especially for macro work.
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>> This guy reports it:
>> http://www.flickr.com/groups/pentax-q/discuss/72157631850533682/
>>
>> Also discussed here:
>> http://forums.steves-digicams.com/pentax-samsung-dslr-k-mount-mirrorless/202509-q-firmware-update-adds-focus-peaking.html
>>
>> and here: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50129501
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Re: PESO - A Ginsu Knife of Hope

[Bruce Walker]

This is dizzyingly dynamic, Frank. Terrific!


On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:22 PM, frank theriault
 wrote:
> The title is from a Kids in the Hall video.  I know I've been showing
> a lot of messenger shots lately, but I like this one.  Had to leave it
> in colour.  In fact, used curves quite a bit:
>
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2012/10/a-ginsu-knife-of-hope.html
>
> Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
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> cheers,
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Re: FS Friday: K7 and Lenses

[Walt]

Apologies to the group for not responding off-list.

I was in a hurry to reply before it got away.

-- Walt

On 10/26/2012 12:29 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

OK.  I forgot to put that this price doesn't include shipping, which
is probably about $10.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Walt  wrote:

Hi Steve,

I'm coveting that 50/1.4 mightily and may be in a position to send you a
money order for it if you haven't sold it by Tuesday.

-- Walt


On 10/26/2012 11:04 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

K7 with kit zoom (18-55)  $350
FA 135 2.8  $350
FA 50 1.4 $225

Everything is in excellent shape.  Contact me for details



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Re: PUG Themes for 2013 - The List

[Igor Roshchin]

There is a very beautiful poem and a song by Russian author Alexander 
Derevyagin called "A boy bathes the Sun".

The quoted part from Brian's message (Rain -> Precipitation) reminded me 
of that poem.  I thought some people here might appreciate it..
Here is the relevant excerpt:
(my apologies to everybody for the primitive translation)


A boy bathes the Sun..
The sparkling-clean Sun turns into a butterfly and flies to the sky, to shine.
The kid covers up his eyes with his palms and squints, 
and the clouds float and don't fall.
What's falling is the snow.

They say that snow comes from clouds - that doesn't matter. What
matters is that the clouds float and don't fall. Snow is a 
miracle if you don't need to explain where it comes from.

<...>

... And some study love.  Love is the snow that comes from nobody 
knows where... and if you know, - it is not love but precipitation.

... Snowflake, - you can hold it on the palm and look at it, while 
precipitation is for agriculture.
... They must be studying love for agriculture?..

...


Cheers,

Igor

PS. For Russian-speaking PDMLers, here is the original:
http://www.bards.ru/archives/part.php?id=18174



Thu Oct 25 18:53:58 EDT 2012
Brian Walters wrote:

> The most popular choice was "Rain", followed by "Bookmarks" and  
> "Windows", so those are in, although at Ann's suggestion I've changed  
> 'Rain" to "Precipitation"

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Re: Q 1.10 firmware

[Steven Desjardins]

OK.  I just could's see it on the official page listed in the first
post and didn't want to go looking.  So glad they decided not to just
tick off the early adopters.  Focus peaking could be a huge feature,
especially for macro work.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> This guy reports it:
> http://www.flickr.com/groups/pentax-q/discuss/72157631850533682/
>
> Also discussed here:
> http://forums.steves-digicams.com/pentax-samsung-dslr-k-mount-mirrorless/202509-q-firmware-update-adds-focus-peaking.html
>
> and here: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50129501
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Re: Q 1.10 firmware

[Darren Addy]

This guy reports it:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/pentax-q/discuss/72157631850533682/

Also discussed here:
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and here: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50129501

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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

[Bruce Walker]

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 11:25 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: Bruce Walker
>
>> "I should have kept the PEF files." -- said by no-one, ever. :-)
>>
>> I do what Alastair does. I've shot raws since 2007 and I've tossed out
>> all the PEFs, keeping only the converted DNGs (some 37,000 of them).
>>
>> DNG is essentially a superset of PEF and they are both lossless
>> formats. DNG has wide industry support, and is a de facto standard.
>> PEF is unique to Pentax and Pentax supports both.
>>
>
> What about shooting with DNG as your raw format instead of PEF? Pros & Cons?

Depends on the camera body. The K10D and K20D create DNGs with no
compression at all, so they quickly fill up SD cards. So I shoot PEF
(compressed) and convert to DNG on import (then nuke the PEFs).

The K-5 and probably all more recent models (eg K30) create properly
conformant DNGs, all nicely compressed. So if I had one I'd choose
DNG.

I'm not sure which camp the K-7 falls into.

If you have an existing stable of PEFs, there may be a nice way in
Lightroom to force it to reprocess them all and create DNGs from them.
I'm not sure I'd bother myself.

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Re: Q 1.10 firmware

[Steven Desjardins]

OK, I looked but can't see these features listed under 1.10.  Where
does it say this?

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> Wow. That's a great feature.
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>> Wow. I find this surprising, given that they could have made focus
>> peaking only available on the new Q10. This gives me hope that focus
>> peaking may be coming to a firmware upgrade for the K-5 also. Bravo
>> Pentax!
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Re: Q 1.10 firmware

[Steven Desjardins]

Wow. That's a great feature.

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> Wow. I find this surprising, given that they could have made focus
> peaking only available on the new Q10. This gives me hope that focus
> peaking may be coming to a firmware upgrade for the K-5 also. Bravo
> Pentax!
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Re: Q 1.10 firmware

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Wow. I find this surprising, given that they could have made focus
peaking only available on the new Q10. This gives me hope that focus
peaking may be coming to a firmware upgrade for the K-5 also. Bravo
Pentax!

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Found the recording solution

[Collin Brendemuehl]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sescom-LN2MIC-50DB-Standard-50dB-Line-Out-to-Camera-Mic-Level-In-/321004606106?pt=Camera_Cables_Cords&hash=item4abd5d929a

Line level to condenser input adapter.

Now I just need the camera to do it.

Sincerely, 

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Re: FS Friday: K7 and Lenses

[Steven Desjardins]

OK.  I forgot to put that this price doesn't include shipping, which
is probably about $10.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Walt  wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> I'm coveting that 50/1.4 mightily and may be in a position to send you a
> money order for it if you haven't sold it by Tuesday.
>
> -- Walt
>
>
> On 10/26/2012 11:04 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
>>
>> K7 with kit zoom (18-55)  $350
>> FA 135 2.8  $350
>> FA 50 1.4 $225
>>
>> Everything is in excellent shape.  Contact me for details
>>
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Re: NSFA (Not Safe for Ann): The Big Buck

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Our hunters get about a dozen each year.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> We have a similar program here in Lexington.  Professional bow
> hunters, culling the herd, meat to the local agencies.  Of course,
> last year they got exactly one deer so it's not a rousing success.
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>> Glad to hear about the homeless program donations.  that seems wise.
>> ann
>>
>>
>> On 10/26/2012 10:16, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually, Ann, at least some of the meat goes to a local homeless
>>> program.  This is controlled by our township, on township owned land.
>>> One reason we bought this house is the knowledge that the land to the
>>> west is protected green acres property (and the homes on the other
>>> sides of our house are only partially visible from our yard.
>>>
>>> The deer are a real problem here.  They eat all our flowers and
>>> shrugs, damage the trees, attack bird feeders, and drive dogs crazy.
>>> Once we cam home from a two day trip to find two separate herds on our
>>> one acre property.  They were hard to count, but we saw more than 30
>>> on that occasion.
>>>
>>> You didn't miss anything by passing up the images.  It was pitch black
>>> because of the time of day and the proximity of our house, and I could
>>> see nothing through the viewfinder.  I had to shine a flashlight on
>>> the body to allow my camera to focus, and evenusing a flash, the
>>> images are awful.
>>>
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

 well of course if you say not safe for ann I'll at least open the post..
 but I do thank you as I don't think I want to look at the photos.

 I have read that only bow and arrow were permitted recently and
 while it bothers me on one level to see any critter killed the
 reality is the deer could at least be used to feed people and
 they are overpopulated.  I'd like a law that says if you are hunting
 it better be for food - the notion that hunting is "sport" and people do
 it
 for fun and trophys is the aspect that bothers me.

 I grew up eating venison and pheasant my father brought home from
 trips to Minnesota - can't bring myself to do it anymore but at heat I
 work on not being a hypocrite so since I eat beef and chicken as long
 as the beats arent being tortured before their demise I could hardly
 object.

 still, I won't be looking at those photos.

 ann

 On 10/26/2012 00:53, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
>
> The other evening, my dog went crazy when I let him outside. He ran
> frantically to the far side of the house, running back and forth, then
> disappeared around the corner.  When I followed, I thought I saw him
> lying down outside his dog run, in back of the dog house.  I called
> out to him, but received no response.
>
> When I approached the object on the ground, I was shocked to find a
> large buck.   He was dead, but I saw no wounds.  I grabbed the dog,
> and took him inside.  I called the local police, who came to my yard,
> examined the buck, and turned it over to reveal a wound about an inch
> in length.  We both concluded it was an arrow wound.
>
> The patrolman and I dragged the buck out to the street, since they was
> no way to keep my dog away from it where it was.  I called a hunter
> friend for advice, but he was of no help.  I called the local deer
> dresser (butcher), and he advised me to eviscerate it as soon as
> possible.  I really wasn't up for that.
>
> The policeman left, and I went inside, where my dog was still very
> restless.  About 10 minutes later, two cars a a truck pulled up,
> including the same cop, the local wildlife management officer and two
> hunters.  One of the hunters had shot the buck with an arrow in the
> woods next to our house just before sunset.  To the west of our
> property is 24 acres of municipally owned, heavily wooded, green acres
> land.  The Township contracts with a local hunting club to cull the
> local deer herd, which is quite large and increasing every season.
> The hunter had to break off his chase of the wounded buck, as he is
> not permitted to enter private property after dark.
>
> It was very dark when we found the buck, and I could focus my camera
> only by shining a flashlight on the corpse, so the images I took suck,
> but I think they convey the size of the buck.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1042686
>
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>

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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

[Boris Liberman]

Since K-7 I shoot exclusively in DNG. In fact, I chose Ricoh GXR over 
other similar cameras also because its native RAW format is DNG.


It is just that I have about 10K shots made with *istD and 20K shots 
made with K10D that are PEFs. I should have switched to DNG with K10D, 
but PEFs were smaller and I had to be frugal with my HDD space... Now 
it's time to face the music, so to say.


On 10/26/2012 5:52 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:


On Oct 26, 2012, at 11:25 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:


From: Bruce Walker

"I should have kept the PEF files." -- said by no-one, ever. :-)

I do what Alastair does. I've shot raws since 2007 and I've tossed out
all the PEFs, keeping only the converted DNGs (some 37,000 of them).

DNG is essentially a superset of PEF and they are both lossless
formats. DNG has wide industry support, and is a de facto standard.
PEF is unique to Pentax and Pentax supports both.




What about shooting with DNG as your raw format instead of PEF? Pros & Cons?


That's what i do. I don't see a downside, and i know i can convert my files on 
almost any computer, anywhere in the world. i see no reason to shoot PEF.
Paul



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Re: Friday For Sale: flashes, tilt setup

[Boris Liberman]

Indeed I do, Bob. I don't think that I need any more pixels or any other 
modern camera features. This camera is small and it makes great photographs.


So I decided to sell some of my Pentax gear and see where it leads me.

On 10/26/2012 3:19 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Boris,
You must really like that Ricoh.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:58 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:

Hi!

It is time to start clearing up my Pentax gear:

1. Carl Zeiss Jena MC Flektogon 50/4 (6x6 format wide lens) with Tilt
Adapter - USD 300.

2. Starblitz 3601 DTZ - multi-dedicated, supports (regular!) TTL and has two
auto-modes. Comes with wide adapter and set of color adapters. It tilts and
it swivels. USD 25.

3. Metz 40 MZ-2 with SCA 3701 and SCA 372 modules. For those who don't know
the modules can be exchanged and it can be made fit any camera system. Built
like a tank, rather serious flash unit. It does not support P-TTL, but it
reads out ISO, aperture and focal length from the camera (it auto-zooms
taking into account the crop factor) and with its own light sensor it
produces really good exposures. With SCA 372 module it is basic flash with
all the settings set by the user. USD 50.

All prices don't include shipping, which I will obviously combine if you buy
more than one item. I will absorb PayPal fees whatever they might be (I
think it is about 5%). Or make me an offer.

Soon to come: lenses and one of my two K-5's.

Please reply off-list.

Thanks.

Boris







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Q 1.10 firmware

[Toine]

is out:
http://www.pentaximaging.com/support/download-details/446

It includes focus peaking and SR with manual lenses. It works nicely.

Toine

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Re: FS Friday: K7 and Lenses

[Walt]

Hi Steve,

I'm coveting that 50/1.4 mightily and may be in a position to send you a 
money order for it if you haven't sold it by Tuesday.


-- Walt

On 10/26/2012 11:04 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

K7 with kit zoom (18-55)  $350
FA 135 2.8  $350
FA 50 1.4 $225

Everything is in excellent shape.  Contact me for details




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FS Friday: K7 and Lenses

[Steven Desjardins]

K7 with kit zoom (18-55)  $350
FA 135 2.8  $350
FA 50 1.4 $225

Everything is in excellent shape.  Contact me for details

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Re: NSFA (Not Safe for Ann): The Big Buck

[Steven Desjardins]

We have a similar program here in Lexington.  Professional bow
hunters, culling the herd, meat to the local agencies.  Of course,
last year they got exactly one deer so it's not a rousing success.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> Glad to hear about the homeless program donations.  that seems wise.
> ann
>
>
> On 10/26/2012 10:16, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>
>> Actually, Ann, at least some of the meat goes to a local homeless
>> program.  This is controlled by our township, on township owned land.
>> One reason we bought this house is the knowledge that the land to the
>> west is protected green acres property (and the homes on the other
>> sides of our house are only partially visible from our yard.
>>
>> The deer are a real problem here.  They eat all our flowers and
>> shrugs, damage the trees, attack bird feeders, and drive dogs crazy.
>> Once we cam home from a two day trip to find two separate herds on our
>> one acre property.  They were hard to count, but we saw more than 30
>> on that occasion.
>>
>> You didn't miss anything by passing up the images.  It was pitch black
>> because of the time of day and the proximity of our house, and I could
>> see nothing through the viewfinder.  I had to shine a flashlight on
>> the body to allow my camera to focus, and evenusing a flash, the
>> images are awful.
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>>>
>>> well of course if you say not safe for ann I'll at least open the post..
>>> but I do thank you as I don't think I want to look at the photos.
>>>
>>> I have read that only bow and arrow were permitted recently and
>>> while it bothers me on one level to see any critter killed the
>>> reality is the deer could at least be used to feed people and
>>> they are overpopulated.  I'd like a law that says if you are hunting
>>> it better be for food - the notion that hunting is "sport" and people do
>>> it
>>> for fun and trophys is the aspect that bothers me.
>>>
>>> I grew up eating venison and pheasant my father brought home from
>>> trips to Minnesota - can't bring myself to do it anymore but at heat I
>>> work on not being a hypocrite so since I eat beef and chicken as long
>>> as the beats arent being tortured before their demise I could hardly
>>> object.
>>>
>>> still, I won't be looking at those photos.
>>>
>>> ann
>>>
>>> On 10/26/2012 00:53, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


 The other evening, my dog went crazy when I let him outside. He ran
 frantically to the far side of the house, running back and forth, then
 disappeared around the corner.  When I followed, I thought I saw him
 lying down outside his dog run, in back of the dog house.  I called
 out to him, but received no response.

 When I approached the object on the ground, I was shocked to find a
 large buck.   He was dead, but I saw no wounds.  I grabbed the dog,
 and took him inside.  I called the local police, who came to my yard,
 examined the buck, and turned it over to reveal a wound about an inch
 in length.  We both concluded it was an arrow wound.

 The patrolman and I dragged the buck out to the street, since they was
 no way to keep my dog away from it where it was.  I called a hunter
 friend for advice, but he was of no help.  I called the local deer
 dresser (butcher), and he advised me to eviscerate it as soon as
 possible.  I really wasn't up for that.

 The policeman left, and I went inside, where my dog was still very
 restless.  About 10 minutes later, two cars a a truck pulled up,
 including the same cop, the local wildlife management officer and two
 hunters.  One of the hunters had shot the buck with an arrow in the
 woods next to our house just before sunset.  To the west of our
 property is 24 acres of municipally owned, heavily wooded, green acres
 land.  The Township contracts with a local hunting club to cull the
 local deer herd, which is quite large and increasing every season.
 The hunter had to break off his chase of the wounded buck, as he is
 not permitted to enter private property after dark.

 It was very dark when we found the buck, and I could focus my camera
 only by shining a flashlight on the corpse, so the images I took suck,
 but I think they convey the size of the buck.

 http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1042686

 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

[Paul Stenquist]

On Oct 26, 2012, at 11:25 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:

> From: Bruce Walker
>> "I should have kept the PEF files." -- said by no-one, ever. :-)
>> 
>> I do what Alastair does. I've shot raws since 2007 and I've tossed out
>> all the PEFs, keeping only the converted DNGs (some 37,000 of them).
>> 
>> DNG is essentially a superset of PEF and they are both lossless
>> formats. DNG has wide industry support, and is a de facto standard.
>> PEF is unique to Pentax and Pentax supports both.
>> 
>> 
> 
> What about shooting with DNG as your raw format instead of PEF? Pros & Cons?

That's what i do. I don't see a downside, and i know i can convert my files on 
almost any computer, anywhere in the world. i see no reason to shoot PEF.
Paul

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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

[Paul Sorenson]

My experience is that converting PEFs while importing into LR4 results 
in a slightly smaller file size than shooting DNGs in camera (K-5). 
Anybody else noticed this?


-p

On 10/26/2012 10:25 AM, John Sessoms wrote:





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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

[John Sessoms]

From: Bruce Walker

"I should have kept the PEF files." -- said by no-one, ever. :-)

I do what Alastair does. I've shot raws since 2007 and I've tossed out
all the PEFs, keeping only the converted DNGs (some 37,000 of them).

DNG is essentially a superset of PEF and they are both lossless
formats. DNG has wide industry support, and is a de facto standard.
PEF is unique to Pentax and Pentax supports both.




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Re: PESO - Rainy Day Conversation

[John Sessoms]

From: "knarftheriault


Hmmm. It's been a fairly wet October here. Not.oppressively so, but
still fairly grey much of the time.

This photo was one that got away. I mean it's okay, but only just.

When I first saw them there was no taxi and other pedestrian; I could
see past them across the street and right down the sidewalk to some
small figures with umbrellas. Very moody but not intrusive

However I couldn't shoot because of a newspaper box obstructing my
view of them. By the time I manoeuvred myself to get a clear shot the
damned taxi was there. I shot one anyway then one of them shifted
position and it was gone.

So this is the best I could get. Frustrating because I had a glimmer
of a much better shot...

;-)


The thing about taxis is they move on again fairly soon. I wonder if you
could have gotten another shot if you had lingered there for a bit?

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RE: OT - Just Testing

[John Sessoms]

From: Kevin Thornsberry


I have been having trouble posting.  This is a test to see if message
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This one seems to work.

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Re: OT -- RIP

[John Sessoms]

From: Darren Addy

FWIW, the headstone is to commemorate the death of that specific logo
(1971-2006) not the entire company. But we get the picture.

Agfa Moments were a little racier than Kodak's.
Kodak: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkG18KiSMGk
Agfa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HoNlctuJ-M



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Re: NSFA (Not Safe for Ann): The Big Buck

[Ann Sanfedele]

Glad to hear about the homeless program donations.  that seems wise.
ann

On 10/26/2012 10:16, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Actually, Ann, at least some of the meat goes to a local homeless
program.  This is controlled by our township, on township owned land.
One reason we bought this house is the knowledge that the land to the
west is protected green acres property (and the homes on the other
sides of our house are only partially visible from our yard.

The deer are a real problem here.  They eat all our flowers and
shrugs, damage the trees, attack bird feeders, and drive dogs crazy.
Once we cam home from a two day trip to find two separate herds on our
one acre property.  They were hard to count, but we saw more than 30
on that occasion.

You didn't miss anything by passing up the images.  It was pitch black
because of the time of day and the proximity of our house, and I could
see nothing through the viewfinder.  I had to shine a flashlight on
the body to allow my camera to focus, and evenusing a flash, the
images are awful.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

well of course if you say not safe for ann I'll at least open the post..
but I do thank you as I don't think I want to look at the photos.

I have read that only bow and arrow were permitted recently and
while it bothers me on one level to see any critter killed the
reality is the deer could at least be used to feed people and
they are overpopulated.  I'd like a law that says if you are hunting
it better be for food - the notion that hunting is "sport" and people do it
for fun and trophys is the aspect that bothers me.

I grew up eating venison and pheasant my father brought home from
trips to Minnesota - can't bring myself to do it anymore but at heat I
work on not being a hypocrite so since I eat beef and chicken as long
as the beats arent being tortured before their demise I could hardly
object.

still, I won't be looking at those photos.

ann

On 10/26/2012 00:53, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


The other evening, my dog went crazy when I let him outside. He ran
frantically to the far side of the house, running back and forth, then
disappeared around the corner.  When I followed, I thought I saw him
lying down outside his dog run, in back of the dog house.  I called
out to him, but received no response.

When I approached the object on the ground, I was shocked to find a
large buck.   He was dead, but I saw no wounds.  I grabbed the dog,
and took him inside.  I called the local police, who came to my yard,
examined the buck, and turned it over to reveal a wound about an inch
in length.  We both concluded it was an arrow wound.

The patrolman and I dragged the buck out to the street, since they was
no way to keep my dog away from it where it was.  I called a hunter
friend for advice, but he was of no help.  I called the local deer
dresser (butcher), and he advised me to eviscerate it as soon as
possible.  I really wasn't up for that.

The policeman left, and I went inside, where my dog was still very
restless.  About 10 minutes later, two cars a a truck pulled up,
including the same cop, the local wildlife management officer and two
hunters.  One of the hunters had shot the buck with an arrow in the
woods next to our house just before sunset.  To the west of our
property is 24 acres of municipally owned, heavily wooded, green acres
land.  The Township contracts with a local hunting club to cull the
local deer herd, which is quite large and increasing every season.
The hunter had to break off his chase of the wounded buck, as he is
not permitted to enter private property after dark.

It was very dark when we found the buck, and I could focus my camera
only by shining a flashlight on the corpse, so the images I took suck,
but I think they convey the size of the buck.

http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1042686

Dan Matyola
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Re: NSFA (Not Safe for Ann): The Big Buck

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Actually, Ann, at least some of the meat goes to a local homeless
program.  This is controlled by our township, on township owned land.
One reason we bought this house is the knowledge that the land to the
west is protected green acres property (and the homes on the other
sides of our house are only partially visible from our yard.

The deer are a real problem here.  They eat all our flowers and
shrugs, damage the trees, attack bird feeders, and drive dogs crazy.
Once we cam home from a two day trip to find two separate herds on our
one acre property.  They were hard to count, but we saw more than 30
on that occasion.

You didn't miss anything by passing up the images.  It was pitch black
because of the time of day and the proximity of our house, and I could
see nothing through the viewfinder.  I had to shine a flashlight on
the body to allow my camera to focus, and evenusing a flash, the
images are awful.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> well of course if you say not safe for ann I'll at least open the post..
> but I do thank you as I don't think I want to look at the photos.
>
> I have read that only bow and arrow were permitted recently and
> while it bothers me on one level to see any critter killed the
> reality is the deer could at least be used to feed people and
> they are overpopulated.  I'd like a law that says if you are hunting
> it better be for food - the notion that hunting is "sport" and people do it
> for fun and trophys is the aspect that bothers me.
>
> I grew up eating venison and pheasant my father brought home from
> trips to Minnesota - can't bring myself to do it anymore but at heat I
> work on not being a hypocrite so since I eat beef and chicken as long
> as the beats arent being tortured before their demise I could hardly
> object.
>
> still, I won't be looking at those photos.
>
> ann
>
> On 10/26/2012 00:53, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>
>> The other evening, my dog went crazy when I let him outside. He ran
>> frantically to the far side of the house, running back and forth, then
>> disappeared around the corner.  When I followed, I thought I saw him
>> lying down outside his dog run, in back of the dog house.  I called
>> out to him, but received no response.
>>
>> When I approached the object on the ground, I was shocked to find a
>> large buck.   He was dead, but I saw no wounds.  I grabbed the dog,
>> and took him inside.  I called the local police, who came to my yard,
>> examined the buck, and turned it over to reveal a wound about an inch
>> in length.  We both concluded it was an arrow wound.
>>
>> The patrolman and I dragged the buck out to the street, since they was
>> no way to keep my dog away from it where it was.  I called a hunter
>> friend for advice, but he was of no help.  I called the local deer
>> dresser (butcher), and he advised me to eviscerate it as soon as
>> possible.  I really wasn't up for that.
>>
>> The policeman left, and I went inside, where my dog was still very
>> restless.  About 10 minutes later, two cars a a truck pulled up,
>> including the same cop, the local wildlife management officer and two
>> hunters.  One of the hunters had shot the buck with an arrow in the
>> woods next to our house just before sunset.  To the west of our
>> property is 24 acres of municipally owned, heavily wooded, green acres
>> land.  The Township contracts with a local hunting club to cull the
>> local deer herd, which is quite large and increasing every season.
>> The hunter had to break off his chase of the wounded buck, as he is
>> not permitted to enter private property after dark.
>>
>> It was very dark when we found the buck, and I could focus my camera
>> only by shining a flashlight on the corpse, so the images I took suck,
>> but I think they convey the size of the buck.
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1042686
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
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Re: NSFA (Not Safe for Ann): The Big Buck

[Ann Sanfedele]

well of course if you say not safe for ann I'll at least open the post..
but I do thank you as I don't think I want to look at the photos.

I have read that only bow and arrow were permitted recently and
while it bothers me on one level to see any critter killed the
reality is the deer could at least be used to feed people and
they are overpopulated.  I'd like a law that says if you are hunting
it better be for food - the notion that hunting is "sport" and people do 
it for fun and trophys is the aspect that bothers me.


I grew up eating venison and pheasant my father brought home from
trips to Minnesota - can't bring myself to do it anymore but at heat I
work on not being a hypocrite so since I eat beef and chicken as long
as the beats arent being tortured before their demise I could hardly
object.

still, I won't be looking at those photos.

ann

On 10/26/2012 00:53, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

The other evening, my dog went crazy when I let him outside. He ran
frantically to the far side of the house, running back and forth, then
disappeared around the corner.  When I followed, I thought I saw him
lying down outside his dog run, in back of the dog house.  I called
out to him, but received no response.

When I approached the object on the ground, I was shocked to find a
large buck.   He was dead, but I saw no wounds.  I grabbed the dog,
and took him inside.  I called the local police, who came to my yard,
examined the buck, and turned it over to reveal a wound about an inch
in length.  We both concluded it was an arrow wound.

The patrolman and I dragged the buck out to the street, since they was
no way to keep my dog away from it where it was.  I called a hunter
friend for advice, but he was of no help.  I called the local deer
dresser (butcher), and he advised me to eviscerate it as soon as
possible.  I really wasn't up for that.

The policeman left, and I went inside, where my dog was still very
restless.  About 10 minutes later, two cars a a truck pulled up,
including the same cop, the local wildlife management officer and two
hunters.  One of the hunters had shot the buck with an arrow in the
woods next to our house just before sunset.  To the west of our
property is 24 acres of municipally owned, heavily wooded, green acres
land.  The Township contracts with a local hunting club to cull the
local deer herd, which is quite large and increasing every season.
The hunter had to break off his chase of the wounded buck, as he is
not permitted to enter private property after dark.

It was very dark when we found the buck, and I could focus my camera
only by shining a flashlight on the corpse, so the images I took suck,
but I think they convey the size of the buck.

http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1042686

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola



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Re: Lost, K10D

[David J Brooks]

Frank. I have my K10D still here at the house. The least i could do is
let you "borrow" it if you like

Dave

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:58 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: "P. J. Alling"
>
>> As long as we're sharing uplifting stories, ...
>
>
> I left an AF-280T sitting out on the wall around the Merry-Go-Round at
> Pullen Park in Raleigh, NC. Can't remember how far I got before realizing I
> didn't have it with me, but it was still there when I got back.
>
> I also left a Bogen 3021 w/488-RC2 ball head in one of the restrooms at the
> NC Zoo in Asheboro. It was closed by the time I got home and realized what
> I'd done, but when I called the next day, one of the staff had collected it
> up while they were cleaning & I was able to get it back the next Saturday.
> Had to use a flimsy old Slik tripod for the week - the ones they sold at
> K-mart.
>
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Re: NSFA (Not Safe for Ann): The Big Buck

[David J Brooks]

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Daniel J. Matyola
 wrote:

> The policeman left, and I went inside, where my dog was still very
> restless.  About 10 minutes later, two cars a a truck pulled up,
> including the same cop, the local wildlife management officer and two
> hunters.  One of the hunters had shot the buck with an arrow in the
> woods next to our house just before sunset.  To the west of our
> property is 24 acres of municipally owned, heavily wooded, green acres
> land.  The Township contracts with a local hunting club to cull the
> local deer herd, which is quite large and increasing every season.
> The hunter had to break off his chase of the wounded buck, as he is
> not permitted to enter private property after dark.

Nice to see responsible hunters, actually trying to find the animal.

Dave
>
> It was very dark when we found the buck, and I could focus my camera
> only by shining a flashlight on the corpse, so the images I took suck,
> but I think they convey the size of the buck.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1042686
>
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Re: NSFA (Not Safe for Ann): The Big Buck

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That is why the township goes not permit ordinary hunters to go onto
this land, only the members of this one club that have been specially
trained and are supervised by a municipal game control officer.
Dan Matyola
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On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Dan,
> I understand, but lived for 10 years in Wisconsin
> where there were 250,000 to 500,000 hunters in the woods
> during the deer season (Thanksgiving week).  They always
> blamed the Illinois hunters for shooting the dog, cow, or donkey.
> I tried to stay away from the woods that week.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  
> wrote:
>> This is the second buck that has died in my yard after being shot with
>> a bow.  The one three years ago was quite a bit smaller.
>>
>> It is not really a safety concern.  First, they can't shoot near a
>> residential dwelling.  Both of the deer that died in my yard were shot
>> quite deep in the woods.  That is why it took the hunter a while to
>> catch up to the wounded deer.  Second, at least now, they are hunting
>> only with bows and arrows.  That is less prone to accident than shot
>> guns (or rifles, which are not permitted at all in Jersey).  Third,
>> these are experienced hunters.  The Township has a contract with a
>> particular hunting club to cull a certain number of deer from the
>> local herd.  The woods to the west of our home is well posted with "No
>> Hunting" signs, and no one other than the contracted hunters are
>> allowed to hunt there.
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>>> Dan,
>>> That has to be shocking to find.  Your dog did well.
>>> I'd be a bit spooked to learn that they were bow hunting
>>> on the 24 acres next door to my house.
>>> Bows are silent and powerful killers.
>>> You just have to make sure Dick Chaney isn't with the hunting party.
>>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
>>>  wrote:
 The other evening, my dog went crazy when I let him outside. He ran
 frantically to the far side of the house, running back and forth, then
 disappeared around the corner.  When I followed, I thought I saw him
 lying down outside his dog run, in back of the dog house.  I called
 out to him, but received no response.

 When I approached the object on the ground, I was shocked to find a
 large buck.   He was dead, but I saw no wounds.  I grabbed the dog,
 and took him inside.  I called the local police, who came to my yard,
 examined the buck, and turned it over to reveal a wound about an inch
 in length.  We both concluded it was an arrow wound.

 The patrolman and I dragged the buck out to the street, since they was
 no way to keep my dog away from it where it was.  I called a hunter
 friend for advice, but he was of no help.  I called the local deer
 dresser (butcher), and he advised me to eviscerate it as soon as
 possible.  I really wasn't up for that.

 The policeman left, and I went inside, where my dog was still very
 restless.  About 10 minutes later, two cars a a truck pulled up,
 including the same cop, the local wildlife management officer and two
 hunters.  One of the hunters had shot the buck with an arrow in the
 woods next to our house just before sunset.  To the west of our
 property is 24 acres of municipally owned, heavily wooded, green acres
 land.  The Township contracts with a local hunting club to cull the
 local deer herd, which is quite large and increasing every season.
 The hunter had to break off his chase of the wounded buck, as he is
 not permitted to enter private property after dark.

 It was very dark when we found the buck, and I could focus my camera
 only by shining a flashlight on the corpse, so the images I took suck,
 but I think they convey the size of the buck.

 http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1042686

 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

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Re: NSFA (Not Safe for Ann): The Big Buck

[Bob Sullivan]

Dan,
I understand, but lived for 10 years in Wisconsin
where there were 250,000 to 500,000 hunters in the woods
during the deer season (Thanksgiving week).  They always
blamed the Illinois hunters for shooting the dog, cow, or donkey.
I tried to stay away from the woods that week.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> This is the second buck that has died in my yard after being shot with
> a bow.  The one three years ago was quite a bit smaller.
>
> It is not really a safety concern.  First, they can't shoot near a
> residential dwelling.  Both of the deer that died in my yard were shot
> quite deep in the woods.  That is why it took the hunter a while to
> catch up to the wounded deer.  Second, at least now, they are hunting
> only with bows and arrows.  That is less prone to accident than shot
> guns (or rifles, which are not permitted at all in Jersey).  Third,
> these are experienced hunters.  The Township has a contract with a
> particular hunting club to cull a certain number of deer from the
> local herd.  The woods to the west of our home is well posted with "No
> Hunting" signs, and no one other than the contracted hunters are
> allowed to hunt there.
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>> Dan,
>> That has to be shocking to find.  Your dog did well.
>> I'd be a bit spooked to learn that they were bow hunting
>> on the 24 acres next door to my house.
>> Bows are silent and powerful killers.
>> You just have to make sure Dick Chaney isn't with the hunting party.
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
>>  wrote:
>>> The other evening, my dog went crazy when I let him outside. He ran
>>> frantically to the far side of the house, running back and forth, then
>>> disappeared around the corner.  When I followed, I thought I saw him
>>> lying down outside his dog run, in back of the dog house.  I called
>>> out to him, but received no response.
>>>
>>> When I approached the object on the ground, I was shocked to find a
>>> large buck.   He was dead, but I saw no wounds.  I grabbed the dog,
>>> and took him inside.  I called the local police, who came to my yard,
>>> examined the buck, and turned it over to reveal a wound about an inch
>>> in length.  We both concluded it was an arrow wound.
>>>
>>> The patrolman and I dragged the buck out to the street, since they was
>>> no way to keep my dog away from it where it was.  I called a hunter
>>> friend for advice, but he was of no help.  I called the local deer
>>> dresser (butcher), and he advised me to eviscerate it as soon as
>>> possible.  I really wasn't up for that.
>>>
>>> The policeman left, and I went inside, where my dog was still very
>>> restless.  About 10 minutes later, two cars a a truck pulled up,
>>> including the same cop, the local wildlife management officer and two
>>> hunters.  One of the hunters had shot the buck with an arrow in the
>>> woods next to our house just before sunset.  To the west of our
>>> property is 24 acres of municipally owned, heavily wooded, green acres
>>> land.  The Township contracts with a local hunting club to cull the
>>> local deer herd, which is quite large and increasing every season.
>>> The hunter had to break off his chase of the wounded buck, as he is
>>> not permitted to enter private property after dark.
>>>
>>> It was very dark when we found the buck, and I could focus my camera
>>> only by shining a flashlight on the corpse, so the images I took suck,
>>> but I think they convey the size of the buck.
>>>
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1042686
>>>
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>>
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Re: NSFA (Not Safe for Ann): The Big Buck

[Daniel J. Matyola]

This is the second buck that has died in my yard after being shot with
a bow.  The one three years ago was quite a bit smaller.

It is not really a safety concern.  First, they can't shoot near a
residential dwelling.  Both of the deer that died in my yard were shot
quite deep in the woods.  That is why it took the hunter a while to
catch up to the wounded deer.  Second, at least now, they are hunting
only with bows and arrows.  That is less prone to accident than shot
guns (or rifles, which are not permitted at all in Jersey).  Third,
these are experienced hunters.  The Township has a contract with a
particular hunting club to cull a certain number of deer from the
local herd.  The woods to the west of our home is well posted with "No
Hunting" signs, and no one other than the contracted hunters are
allowed to hunt there.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Dan,
> That has to be shocking to find.  Your dog did well.
> I'd be a bit spooked to learn that they were bow hunting
> on the 24 acres next door to my house.
> Bows are silent and powerful killers.
> You just have to make sure Dick Chaney isn't with the hunting party.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
>  wrote:
>> The other evening, my dog went crazy when I let him outside. He ran
>> frantically to the far side of the house, running back and forth, then
>> disappeared around the corner.  When I followed, I thought I saw him
>> lying down outside his dog run, in back of the dog house.  I called
>> out to him, but received no response.
>>
>> When I approached the object on the ground, I was shocked to find a
>> large buck.   He was dead, but I saw no wounds.  I grabbed the dog,
>> and took him inside.  I called the local police, who came to my yard,
>> examined the buck, and turned it over to reveal a wound about an inch
>> in length.  We both concluded it was an arrow wound.
>>
>> The patrolman and I dragged the buck out to the street, since they was
>> no way to keep my dog away from it where it was.  I called a hunter
>> friend for advice, but he was of no help.  I called the local deer
>> dresser (butcher), and he advised me to eviscerate it as soon as
>> possible.  I really wasn't up for that.
>>
>> The policeman left, and I went inside, where my dog was still very
>> restless.  About 10 minutes later, two cars a a truck pulled up,
>> including the same cop, the local wildlife management officer and two
>> hunters.  One of the hunters had shot the buck with an arrow in the
>> woods next to our house just before sunset.  To the west of our
>> property is 24 acres of municipally owned, heavily wooded, green acres
>> land.  The Township contracts with a local hunting club to cull the
>> local deer herd, which is quite large and increasing every season.
>> The hunter had to break off his chase of the wounded buck, as he is
>> not permitted to enter private property after dark.
>>
>> It was very dark when we found the buck, and I could focus my camera
>> only by shining a flashlight on the corpse, so the images I took suck,
>> but I think they convey the size of the buck.
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1042686
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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Re: Friday For Sale: flashes, tilt setup

[Bob Sullivan]

Boris,
You must really like that Ricoh.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:58 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Hi!
>
> It is time to start clearing up my Pentax gear:
>
> 1. Carl Zeiss Jena MC Flektogon 50/4 (6x6 format wide lens) with Tilt
> Adapter - USD 300.
>
> 2. Starblitz 3601 DTZ - multi-dedicated, supports (regular!) TTL and has two
> auto-modes. Comes with wide adapter and set of color adapters. It tilts and
> it swivels. USD 25.
>
> 3. Metz 40 MZ-2 with SCA 3701 and SCA 372 modules. For those who don't know
> the modules can be exchanged and it can be made fit any camera system. Built
> like a tank, rather serious flash unit. It does not support P-TTL, but it
> reads out ISO, aperture and focal length from the camera (it auto-zooms
> taking into account the crop factor) and with its own light sensor it
> produces really good exposures. With SCA 372 module it is basic flash with
> all the settings set by the user. USD 50.
>
> All prices don't include shipping, which I will obviously combine if you buy
> more than one item. I will absorb PayPal fees whatever they might be (I
> think it is about 5%). Or make me an offer.
>
> Soon to come: lenses and one of my two K-5's.
>
> Please reply off-list.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Boris
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: NSFA (Not Safe for Ann): The Big Buck

[Bob Sullivan]

Dan,
That has to be shocking to find.  Your dog did well.
I'd be a bit spooked to learn that they were bow hunting
on the 24 acres next door to my house.
Bows are silent and powerful killers.
You just have to make sure Dick Chaney isn't with the hunting party.
Regards,  Bob S.


On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
 wrote:
> The other evening, my dog went crazy when I let him outside. He ran
> frantically to the far side of the house, running back and forth, then
> disappeared around the corner.  When I followed, I thought I saw him
> lying down outside his dog run, in back of the dog house.  I called
> out to him, but received no response.
>
> When I approached the object on the ground, I was shocked to find a
> large buck.   He was dead, but I saw no wounds.  I grabbed the dog,
> and took him inside.  I called the local police, who came to my yard,
> examined the buck, and turned it over to reveal a wound about an inch
> in length.  We both concluded it was an arrow wound.
>
> The patrolman and I dragged the buck out to the street, since they was
> no way to keep my dog away from it where it was.  I called a hunter
> friend for advice, but he was of no help.  I called the local deer
> dresser (butcher), and he advised me to eviscerate it as soon as
> possible.  I really wasn't up for that.
>
> The policeman left, and I went inside, where my dog was still very
> restless.  About 10 minutes later, two cars a a truck pulled up,
> including the same cop, the local wildlife management officer and two
> hunters.  One of the hunters had shot the buck with an arrow in the
> woods next to our house just before sunset.  To the west of our
> property is 24 acres of municipally owned, heavily wooded, green acres
> land.  The Township contracts with a local hunting club to cull the
> local deer herd, which is quite large and increasing every season.
> The hunter had to break off his chase of the wounded buck, as he is
> not permitted to enter private property after dark.
>
> It was very dark when we found the buck, and I could focus my camera
> only by shining a flashlight on the corpse, so the images I took suck,
> but I think they convey the size of the buck.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1042686
>
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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FS Fryday

[Collin Brendemuehl]

2 Tamron 300/5.6 lenses.
One with focus collar, the other without.
$25 without.  $30 with.
Includes US shipping.
Just add your own mount.

Sincerely, 

Collin Brendemuehl 
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

[George Sinos]

At one time I saved the PEFs.  A few years ago I finally realized that
I never used them for anything and deleted all of them.

There are so many advantages to DNG.  I shoot directly in DNG in my
Pentax camera body that has that option.  Any others I convert on
Import to Lightroom.

Given that DNG is a fully defined and disclosed format there is no
need for XMP sidecar files.  The XMP data is stored within the DNG
file.

There is a good summary of DNG here 

This quote from the section on file formats is interesting.  I've
never heard about the "hash" anywhere else.

"The DNG format preserves the original raw sensor data just the same
as the proprietary raw files. Nothing is left out. DNG is a safer
archival container for several important reasons. The first is that it
is a documented format. Its specification is openly published and how
DNG files are constructed is openly shared with other software
vendors.

The second reason is that, unlike any other raw format, DNG contains a
file verification tool known as a "hash" that can tell if the raw
image data remains unchanged and uncorrupted. This hash only
references the raw image data, so a DNG file can be processed an
infinite number of times and the XMP instruction set(s) and embedded
JPEG preview(s) can be redone an infinite number of times, but the
underlying raw data does not change, so it can continue to be verified
forever.

One disadvantage of DNG has nothing to do with the format itself but
has to do with the number of software vendors that choose to support
DNG. Since not all do, DNG files cannot be processed in every possible
raw file processor out there, especially the camera manufacturer's
software.

DNG can, however, contain even the proprietary raw file within the DNG
container, so if this is a concern, you can choose to save your DNG
files with the proprietary raw files embedded. The file verification
hash will then also protect the proprietary raw data as well as the
DNG raw image data.

This, in fact, is currently the only way to verify proprietary raw
files. DNG files can sometimes be smaller than proprietary raw since
DNG uses a very efficient lossless compression scheme on the raw image
data. DNG files can be the same size or slightly larger than
proprietary raw if they contain full size JPEG previews. DNG files can
be twice the size of proprietary raw if the proprietary raw file is
optionally embedded."

End of Quote from dpbestworkflow.

There is a way more information at dpbestworkflow.org


George Sinos

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www.georgesphotos.net
plus.georgesinos.com


On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:45 AM, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:
> what if you wanted to use the cameras lcd as a display device,
> can the bodies display DNG files?
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 7:37 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?
>
> "I should have kept the PEF files." -- said by no-one, ever. :-)
>
> I do what Alastair does. I've shot raws since 2007 and I've tossed out
> all the PEFs, keeping only the converted DNGs (some 37,000 of them).
>
> DNG is essentially a superset of PEF and they are both lossless
> formats. DNG has wide industry support, and is a de facto standard.
> PEF is unique to Pentax and Pentax supports both.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Alastair Robertson
>  wrote:
>> I routinely convert my PEF's into DNG's on import into lightroom (and
>> throw away the PEF at that time) and have the lightroom catalog set to
>> write the metadata into the DNG.  That way, if the files are moved
>> from one catalog to another, the keywords, develop settings etc go
>> with them without the need to import from catalog.  I have no worries
>> about the DNG format continued to being supported - there must be a
>> lot more people using DNG than PEF in the world!
>>
>> Alastair
>>
>> On 26 October 2012 18:08, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
>>> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF,
> shame
>>> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
>>> originals.
>>>
>>> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility
> with
>>> various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Boris
>>>
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FS Friday: Sigma AF 180mm F3.5 APO EX MACRO

[Krisjanis Linkevics]

The old non-DG non-HSM version of the lens.
I always had good results with it on my *istD and K10D but I haven't used it in 
some 6 years.
There's no reason for me to hang on to it. That said, there is also no reason 
for me to sell it other than to fuel my own LBA.

Today I saw an ongoing auction for one just like that on the evil auction site 
and was pleasantly surprised with the current bid. So if you want it, are not 
turned off by its European origin (customs and all) and are ready to offer 
something in the ballpark of the current bid on the one that's on the eekbay, 
let me know.

kris

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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

[Bruce Walker]

Are you talking about putting raw images back onto an SD card,
inserting that into the camera and then displaying those? I've never
tried it but I'd guess that as long as you put a Pentax-supported-DNG
back on the card, that should work.

I can't speak for everyone of course, but I only work in one
direction: camera (input) to computer (processing) to display/print
(output). Never the reverse.

Besides, I use the on-camera LCD as little as humanly possible. It's
too teensy to see anything useful, and its gamma/tonal curves are
bizarre. Nothing ever renders the same on the screen as what I see
when I pull the image up in Lightroom or ACR. I cannot trust the LCD
image, it's a warped, alien representation of the image. It's okay for
checking for checking framing and if I removed the lens cap.


On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 7:45 AM, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:
> what if you wanted to use the cameras lcd as a display device,
> can the bodies display DNG files?
>
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 7:37 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?
>
> "I should have kept the PEF files." -- said by no-one, ever. :-)
>
> I do what Alastair does. I've shot raws since 2007 and I've tossed out
> all the PEFs, keeping only the converted DNGs (some 37,000 of them).
>
> DNG is essentially a superset of PEF and they are both lossless
> formats. DNG has wide industry support, and is a de facto standard.
> PEF is unique to Pentax and Pentax supports both.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Alastair Robertson
>  wrote:
>> I routinely convert my PEF's into DNG's on import into lightroom (and
>> throw away the PEF at that time) and have the lightroom catalog set to
>> write the metadata into the DNG.  That way, if the files are moved
>> from one catalog to another, the keywords, develop settings etc go
>> with them without the need to import from catalog.  I have no worries
>> about the DNG format continued to being supported - there must be a
>> lot more people using DNG than PEF in the world!
>>
>> Alastair
>>
>> On 26 October 2012 18:08, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
>>> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF,
> shame
>>> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
>>> originals.
>>>
>>> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility
> with
>>> various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Boris
>>>
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RE: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

[J.C. O'Connell]

what if you wanted to use the cameras lcd as a display device,
can the bodies display DNG files?

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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 7:37 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

"I should have kept the PEF files." -- said by no-one, ever. :-)

I do what Alastair does. I've shot raws since 2007 and I've tossed out
all the PEFs, keeping only the converted DNGs (some 37,000 of them).

DNG is essentially a superset of PEF and they are both lossless
formats. DNG has wide industry support, and is a de facto standard.
PEF is unique to Pentax and Pentax supports both.



On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Alastair Robertson
 wrote:
> I routinely convert my PEF's into DNG's on import into lightroom (and
> throw away the PEF at that time) and have the lightroom catalog set to
> write the metadata into the DNG.  That way, if the files are moved
> from one catalog to another, the keywords, develop settings etc go
> with them without the need to import from catalog.  I have no worries
> about the DNG format continued to being supported - there must be a
> lot more people using DNG than PEF in the world!
>
> Alastair
>
> On 26 October 2012 18:08, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
>> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF,
shame
>> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
>> originals.
>>
>> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility
with
>> various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Boris
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

[Bruce Walker]

You're talking about doubling your disk usage. Disk space is cheap,
but not *that* cheap. Especially if you're talking about K-5 files
which are 2-3 times larger than the K20 files that I'm used to.

I keep lots of rendered JPEGs at various sizes. But these are all
quite small and I don't have JPEGs for all my images, just those I
post -- maybe 1%.


On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 7:30 AM, DagT  wrote:
> We are all talking about PEF to DNG :-)
>
> What I don't understand is why you have to choose. Unless you an extreme 
> number of pictures storage is fairly cheap, so I keep both. Mainly using PEF, 
> but converting to DNG a couple of times a year without deleting PEF  Format 
> backup.
>
> DagT

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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

[DagT]

There is some scepticism toward Adobe and formats, like PDF is not necessarily 
compatible. So er cannot know for sure, and as long as I have an extra disc it 
is better to be safe.

DagT

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Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 13:36 skrev Bruce Walker :

> "I should have kept the PEF files." -- said by no-one, ever. :-)
> 
> I do what Alastair does. I've shot raws since 2007 and I've tossed out
> all the PEFs, keeping only the converted DNGs (some 37,000 of them).
> 
> DNG is essentially a superset of PEF and they are both lossless
> formats. DNG has wide industry support, and is a de facto standard.
> PEF is unique to Pentax and Pentax supports both.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Alastair Robertson
>  wrote:
>> I routinely convert my PEF's into DNG's on import into lightroom (and
>> throw away the PEF at that time) and have the lightroom catalog set to
>> write the metadata into the DNG.  That way, if the files are moved
>> from one catalog to another, the keywords, develop settings etc go
>> with them without the need to import from catalog.  I have no worries
>> about the DNG format continued to being supported - there must be a
>> lot more people using DNG than PEF in the world!
>> 
>> Alastair
>> 
>> On 26 October 2012 18:08, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
>>> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF, shame
>>> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
>>> originals.
>>> 
>>> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility with
>>> various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Boris
>>> 
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

[Bruce Walker]

"I should have kept the PEF files." -- said by no-one, ever. :-)

I do what Alastair does. I've shot raws since 2007 and I've tossed out
all the PEFs, keeping only the converted DNGs (some 37,000 of them).

DNG is essentially a superset of PEF and they are both lossless
formats. DNG has wide industry support, and is a de facto standard.
PEF is unique to Pentax and Pentax supports both.



On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Alastair Robertson
 wrote:
> I routinely convert my PEF's into DNG's on import into lightroom (and
> throw away the PEF at that time) and have the lightroom catalog set to
> write the metadata into the DNG.  That way, if the files are moved
> from one catalog to another, the keywords, develop settings etc go
> with them without the need to import from catalog.  I have no worries
> about the DNG format continued to being supported - there must be a
> lot more people using DNG than PEF in the world!
>
> Alastair
>
> On 26 October 2012 18:08, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
>> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF, shame
>> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
>> originals.
>>
>> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility with
>> various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Boris
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

[DagT]

We are all talking about PEF to DNG :-)

What I don't understand is why you have to choose. Unless you an extreme number 
of pictures storage is fairly cheap, so I keep both. Mainly using PEF, but 
converting to DNG a couple of times a year without deleting PEF  Format backup.

DagT

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Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 13:20 skrev Paul Stenquist :

> No, you had it right Eric. Boris asked how he could convert PEF to DNG. I 
> can' t imagine why anyone would want to go the other way. 
> 
> And Boris, in answer to the other part of your question, the DNG format is 
> standard across the board and is your best bet for continued supports. Some 
> scanning software, including Vuescan, even supports DNG. 
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> On Oct 26, 2012, at 7:11 AM, Eric Featherstone  
> wrote:
> 
>> Oh, sorry, I misunderstood the question. I thought PEF->DNG was what
>> was wanted. It won't do DNG->PEF.
>> 
>> Eric.
>> 
>> On 26 October 2012 12:08, DagT  wrote:
>>> Ok, I didn't know it could make PEF files. I online use it from PEF to DNG.
>>> 
>>> DagT
>>> 
>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>> 
>>> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 13:05 skrev Eric Featherstone 
>>> :
>>> 
 Adobe DNG converter
 
 http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106&platform=Windows
 
 On 26 October 2012 12:01, DagT  wrote:
> Not that I know, and that might be a reason to keep PEF.
> 
> DagT
> 
> Sendt fra min iPad
> 
> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 12:55 skrev "J.C. O'Connell" :
> 
>> is there an app to convert dng to pef?
>> 
>> -
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>> hifis...@gate.net
>> -
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of DagT
>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:46 AM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?
>> 
>> I keep a separate disc with DNG-versions of my PEF-files, but do not 
>> delete
>> the PEFs.
>> 
>> DagT
>> 
>> Sendt fra min iPad
>> 
>> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 07:08 skrev Boris Liberman :
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
>> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF, 
>> shame
>> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
>> originals.
>>> 
>>> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility
>> with various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Boris
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

[Paul Stenquist]

No, you had it right Eric. Boris asked how he could convert PEF to DNG. I can' 
t imagine why anyone would want to go the other way. 

And Boris, in answer to the other part of your question, the DNG format is 
standard across the board and is your best bet for continued supports. Some 
scanning software, including Vuescan, even supports DNG. 

Paul


On Oct 26, 2012, at 7:11 AM, Eric Featherstone  
wrote:

> Oh, sorry, I misunderstood the question. I thought PEF->DNG was what
> was wanted. It won't do DNG->PEF.
> 
> Eric.
> 
> On 26 October 2012 12:08, DagT  wrote:
>> Ok, I didn't know it could make PEF files. I online use it from PEF to DNG.
>> 
>> DagT
>> 
>> Sendt fra min iPad
>> 
>> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 13:05 skrev Eric Featherstone 
>> :
>> 
>>> Adobe DNG converter
>>> 
>>> http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106&platform=Windows
>>> 
>>> On 26 October 2012 12:01, DagT  wrote:
 Not that I know, and that might be a reason to keep PEF.
 
 DagT
 
 Sendt fra min iPad
 
 Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 12:55 skrev "J.C. O'Connell" :
 
> is there an app to convert dng to pef?
> 
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> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of DagT
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:46 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?
> 
> I keep a separate disc with DNG-versions of my PEF-files, but do not 
> delete
> the PEFs.
> 
> DagT
> 
> Sendt fra min iPad
> 
> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 07:08 skrev Boris Liberman :
> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF, 
> shame
> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
> originals.
>> 
>> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility
> with various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Boris
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

[Eric Featherstone]

Oh, sorry, I misunderstood the question. I thought PEF->DNG was what
was wanted. It won't do DNG->PEF.

Eric.

On 26 October 2012 12:08, DagT  wrote:
> Ok, I didn't know it could make PEF files. I online use it from PEF to DNG.
>
> DagT
>
> Sendt fra min iPad
>
> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 13:05 skrev Eric Featherstone 
> :
>
>> Adobe DNG converter
>>
>> http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106&platform=Windows
>>
>> On 26 October 2012 12:01, DagT  wrote:
>>> Not that I know, and that might be a reason to keep PEF.
>>>
>>> DagT
>>>
>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>>
>>> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 12:55 skrev "J.C. O'Connell" :
>>>
 is there an app to convert dng to pef?

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 Subject: Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

 I keep a separate disc with DNG-versions of my PEF-files, but do not delete
 the PEFs.

 DagT

 Sendt fra min iPad

 Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 07:08 skrev Boris Liberman :

> Hi!
>
> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
 thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF, shame
 on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
 originals.
>
> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility
 with various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Boris
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Re: PESO - A Ginsu Knife of Hope

[Jack Davis]

Frantic action well caught. Extreme motion, especially that of the bus, is 
a critical element.

Jack 

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Subject: PESO - A Ginsu Knife of Hope

The title is from a Kids in the Hall video.  I know I've been showing
a lot of messenger shots lately, but I like this one.  Had to leave it
in colour.  In fact, used curves quite a bit:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2012/10/a-ginsu-knife-of-hope.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

[DagT]

Ok, I didn't know it could make PEF files. I online use it from PEF to DNG.

DagT

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Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 13:05 skrev Eric Featherstone 
:

> Adobe DNG converter
> 
> http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106&platform=Windows
> 
> On 26 October 2012 12:01, DagT  wrote:
>> Not that I know, and that might be a reason to keep PEF.
>> 
>> DagT
>> 
>> Sendt fra min iPad
>> 
>> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 12:55 skrev "J.C. O'Connell" :
>> 
>>> is there an app to convert dng to pef?
>>> 
>>> -
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>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of DagT
>>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:46 AM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?
>>> 
>>> I keep a separate disc with DNG-versions of my PEF-files, but do not delete
>>> the PEFs.
>>> 
>>> DagT
>>> 
>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>> 
>>> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 07:08 skrev Boris Liberman :
>>> 
 Hi!
 
 I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
>>> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF, shame
>>> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
>>> originals.
 
 Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility
>>> with various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
 
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

[Eric Featherstone]

Adobe DNG converter

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106&platform=Windows

On 26 October 2012 12:01, DagT  wrote:
> Not that I know, and that might be a reason to keep PEF.
>
> DagT
>
> Sendt fra min iPad
>
> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 12:55 skrev "J.C. O'Connell" :
>
>> is there an app to convert dng to pef?
>>
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of DagT
>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:46 AM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?
>>
>> I keep a separate disc with DNG-versions of my PEF-files, but do not delete
>> the PEFs.
>>
>> DagT
>>
>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>
>> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 07:08 skrev Boris Liberman :
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
>> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF, shame
>> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
>> originals.
>>>
>>> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility
>> with various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

[DagT]

Not that I know, and that might be a reason to keep PEF.

DagT

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> is there an app to convert dng to pef?
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> 
> I keep a separate disc with DNG-versions of my PEF-files, but do not delete
> the PEFs.
> 
> DagT
> 
> Sendt fra min iPad
> 
> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 07:08 skrev Boris Liberman :
> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF, shame
> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
> originals.
>> 
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>> 
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RE: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

[J.C. O'Connell]

is there an app to convert dng to pef?

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Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:46 AM
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Subject: Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

I keep a separate disc with DNG-versions of my PEF-files, but do not delete
the PEFs.

DagT

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Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 07:08 skrev Boris Liberman :

> Hi!
> 
> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF, shame
on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
originals.
> 
> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility
with various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Boris
> 
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

[DagT]

I keep a separate disc with DNG-versions of my PEF-files, but do not delete the 
PEFs.

DagT

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Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 07:08 skrev Boris Liberman :

> Hi!
> 
> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of 
> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF, shame 
> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the originals.
> 
> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility with 
> various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Boris
> 
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

[Alastair Robertson]

I routinely convert my PEF's into DNG's on import into lightroom (and
throw away the PEF at that time) and have the lightroom catalog set to
write the metadata into the DNG.  That way, if the files are moved
from one catalog to another, the keywords, develop settings etc go
with them without the need to import from catalog.  I have no worries
about the DNG format continued to being supported - there must be a
lot more people using DNG than PEF in the world!

Alastair

On 26 October 2012 18:08, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF, shame
> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
> originals.
>
> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility with
> various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Boris
>
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