RE: Pentax 645D IR

[AlunFoto - Jostein Øksne]

J.C.O. is entirely right. Once superseded by another model, the 645D will stop 
taking pictures on any ISO other than 140, force JPG format, and introduce a 
lag of 30 seconds before writing exposures to card. During that lag, you will 
see a message on the chimp screen explaining what you have to do to re-enable 
the camera's functionality. For unknown reasons, this message will only appear 
in the language used by the Inuits of North-East Greenland, who refuse to 
translate because they find the text offensive. 

The next model will be a lot better. Among its most important achievents will 
be abandoning the hopelessly inaccurate way of relaying aperture information 
between camera and optics using a simple lever. According to Pentax officials, 
that's on par with steam engines for obsolence, and they are deeply ashamed 
about it still being there, despite their best efforts to move forward.

Just FYI, you know, like, :-)

Cheers,
Jostein

"J.C. O'Connell"  wrote:

>And presto, you have a $10K obsolete piece o crap original 645D.
>
>-
>J.C.O'Connell
>hifis...@gate.net
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>
>-Original Message-
>From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling
>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 12:53 PM
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>
>Unfortunatly this doesn't address the main problem, The Nikon D800 
>pretty much equals the image quality of low end medium format DSLRs in
>a 
>35mm body format.  Pentax Ricoh needs to announce a higher resolution 
>improved image quality upgrade to the 645d real soon  now.
>
>On 12/13/2012 2:26 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:
>> Looks like it is:
>> http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/pentax-645d-ir-announced.html
>>

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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Rob Studdert]

On 13 December 2012 18:26, Dario Bonazza  wrote:
> Looks like it is:
> http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/pentax-645d-ir-announced.html

It's December, not April? :(

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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Anthony Farr]

In 1979 I worked as an assistant at a small studio.  Making colour
prints was one of my duties.  I can tell you with absolute authority
that a print made on Kodak Ektaprint 2 paper from a C41 processed
Kodak VPS negative that came out of a Leica M5 was inferior to the
product of a 2MP point @ shoot in 2002.  My conclusion therefore is
that analogue Leicas no longer had a reason to exist 10 years ago,
therefore they are no better than scrap metal.  Anyone who possesses
one of these wastes of resources is welcome to send it my way, and
I'll dispose of it in the most environmentally sensitive way possible.

regards, Anthony



On 14 December 2012 19:09, AlunFoto - Jostein Øksne  wrote:
> J.C.O. is entirely right. Once superseded by another model, the 645D will 
> stop taking pictures on any ISO other than 140, force JPG format, and 
> introduce a lag of 30 seconds before writing exposures to card. During that 
> lag, you will see a message on the chimp screen explaining what you have to 
> do to re-enable the camera's functionality. For unknown reasons, this message 
> will only appear in the language used by the Inuits of North-East Greenland, 
> who refuse to translate because they find the text offensive.
>
> The next model will be a lot better. Among its most important achievents will 
> be abandoning the hopelessly inaccurate way of relaying aperture information 
> between camera and optics using a simple lever. According to Pentax 
> officials, that's on par with steam engines for obsolence, and they are 
> deeply ashamed about it still being there, despite their best efforts to move 
> forward.
>
> Just FYI, you know, like, :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Jostein
>
> "J.C. O'Connell"  wrote:
>
>>And presto, you have a $10K obsolete piece o crap original 645D.
>>

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Re: What's wrong with the K-01

[Anthony Farr]

On 14 December 2012 18:17, steve harley  wrote:
> regarding the K-01, the appearance is not awful, but i'd feel awkward with
> it in public because it is too attention-getting; i think much of Newson's
> aesthetic is like that; i also have non-Newson concerns: manual focus, grip
> ergonomics

It sounds like it's not the camera for you.  It's a good thing that
nobody's forced to own one.

regards, Anthony

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Re: What's wrong with the K-01

[Stan Halpin]

On Dec 14, 2012, at 12:28 AM, Anthony Farr wrote:

> ... we know how you feel about optical frame 'finders
> and wire frame 'finders and live-view-on-the LCD 'finders and no
> 'finders.  Just don't buy them and see if I care.
> 
> Finally, pardon my grumpiness.  I have prostate cancer, and last week
> underwent a brachytherapy implant after a year of hormone blockers.  I
> still hurt (a cough or sneeze is unbearable), have no endurance, scant
> tolerance, and I have to carry a sieve and a lead container everywhere
> in case a radioactive pellet gets loose when I pee.  Have a nice day.
> 
> regards, Anthony

Sorry to hear about your medical travails Anthony! But, to try and see this 
from the lighter side, does this mean that you have to be careful not to sit 
too close to any of your old film stock?

stan


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Re: What's wrong with the K-01

[Anthony Farr]

Thanks Stan.  No longer a problem, there is no old film stock at my
house.  I do carry a letter from my oncologist to explain any oddities
about, for instance, airport security scans and how vital it is that
my sieve and my small lead flask are not taken away from me.

regards, Anthony



On 15 December 2012 00:43, Stan Halpin  wrote:
>
> On Dec 14, 2012, at 12:28 AM, Anthony Farr wrote:
>
>> ... we know how you feel about optical frame 'finders
>> and wire frame 'finders and live-view-on-the LCD 'finders and no
>> 'finders.  Just don't buy them and see if I care.
>>
>> Finally, pardon my grumpiness.  I have prostate cancer, and last week
>> underwent a brachytherapy implant after a year of hormone blockers.  I
>> still hurt (a cough or sneeze is unbearable), have no endurance, scant
>> tolerance, and I have to carry a sieve and a lead container everywhere
>> in case a radioactive pellet gets loose when I pee.  Have a nice day.
>>
>> regards, Anthony
>
> Sorry to hear about your medical travails Anthony! But, to try and see this 
> from the lighter side, does this mean that you have to be careful not to sit 
> too close to any of your old film stock?
>
> stan
>

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RE: What's wrong with the K-01

[Gerrit Visser]

Cancer sucks, I spent most of this year with prostate surgery, then
radiation treatments. PSA is now undetectable so I guess I am fortunate that
it got dealt with in less than a year.

Gerrit

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Thanks Stan.  No longer a problem, there is no old film stock at my house.
I do carry a letter from my oncologist to explain any oddities about, for
instance, airport security scans and how vital it is that my sieve and my
small lead flask are not taken away from me.

regards, Anthony



On 15 December 2012 00:43, Stan Halpin  wrote:
>
> On Dec 14, 2012, at 12:28 AM, Anthony Farr wrote:
>
>> ... we know how you feel about optical frame 'finders and wire frame 
>> 'finders and live-view-on-the LCD 'finders and no 'finders.  Just 
>> don't buy them and see if I care.
>>
>> Finally, pardon my grumpiness.  I have prostate cancer, and last week 
>> underwent a brachytherapy implant after a year of hormone blockers.  
>> I still hurt (a cough or sneeze is unbearable), have no endurance, 
>> scant tolerance, and I have to carry a sieve and a lead container 
>> everywhere in case a radioactive pellet gets loose when I pee.  Have a
nice day.
>>
>> regards, Anthony
>
> Sorry to hear about your medical travails Anthony! But, to try and see
this from the lighter side, does this mean that you have to be careful not
to sit too close to any of your old film stock?
>
> stan
>

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Re: PESO - Advent window

[George Sinos]

Thanks for the comments everyone.  This project is certainly a
learning experience and I'm looking forward to finally seeing it in
print.  GS
George Sinos

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On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> Very nice, George!
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 12:38 PM, George Sinos  wrote:
>> Tried to send this yesterday and got a bounce.  Now that we're back, here it 
>> is.
>>
>> This is another of the twelve major windows from the current church project.
>>
>> 
>>
>> I thought I'd post this photo since we're currently in the Advent season.
>>
>> From the standpoint of technical curiosity, my suggestion is to click
>> on the photo and look at the larger version.  There are a lot of
>> subtle variations in the colors of the glass.  I also just recently
>> noticed a some small reflections of color in the major horizontal
>> window frame.
>>
>> I won't be able to get this submitted in book-form and see the first
>> test copy until January.  I'm not sure how much of the detail will
>> show up on the printed page.  It does show well on glossy paper when
>> printed with an inkjet printer, but I'm not expecting that level of
>> detail in a book.
>>
>> Anyone that has used blurb have any comments?
>>
>> gs
>>
>> George Sinos
>> 
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>> www.georgesphotos.net
>> plus.georgesinos.com
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Re: What's wrong with the K-01

[Anthony Farr]

Good result, congratulations but it sounds like you had a rough time.
I'm lucky to be a suitable candidate for brachytherapy, so all going
well I should be cancer free after several months.  The pellets have a
half life of two months so they'll be down to 1/64th energy in a year
and pretty much spent.  After that I'll learn how successful the
treatment is.  Right now I have to keep close contact (less than a
metre) with under 18 year olds and pregnant women to brief periods.
My twelve year old son is giving me a wide berth, the whole idea
creeps him out I fear.

regards, Anthony



On 15 December 2012 01:13, Gerrit Visser  wrote:
> Cancer sucks, I spent most of this year with prostate surgery, then
> radiation treatments. PSA is now undetectable so I guess I am fortunate that
> it got dealt with in less than a year.
>
> Gerrit
>

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I want a camera that can do this

[Igor Roshchin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBNHPk-Lnkk

I mean, - I want a camera that can take photos that create such an illusion.

Igor


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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[William Robb]

On 13/12/2012 11:25 PM, Tom C wrote:

From: William Robb 

On 13/12/2012 11:57 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:

And presto, you have a $10K obsolete piece o crap original 645D.



How is it obsolete? I don't think they stop working when another camera
comes out, and when the 645D was introduced, it was rather a game changer.
I have spent some time with the 645D. It will take more than a 36mp
small format camera to make the 645D obsolete.
But, one would have to use both to know this.
I have.
Have you?


Not intending to butt heads with you Bill. It's obviously not
obsolete, but it loses a degree of relevance. If one can arguably get
a camera that's quite close in resolution and other performance
factors, with a huge lens catalog to choose from. for about 1/3 the
price...

I looked yesterday  and cannot remember the figures, but the DxO
scores were fairly close between the aforementioned bodies (one troll
to another).

Tom C,



I guess viewfinders don't matter any more. The 645 is a joy to look 
through, the D800 has, by comparison, a dinky little viewfinder with 
dancing lights flashing seemingly at random. I realize this is a small 
thing that probably won't matter to many people, but the 645 is a much 
nicer camera to work with.
That used to mean something. It seems these days, all that matters is 
the number of megapixels.


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FS Friday - K20D bodies, several prime lenses (Pentax)

[Stan Halpin]

Some of the items I listed last week have sold and been delivered to their new 
home. I've added one lens to the list . . .

For Sale - 14Dec 2012

Overview:
K20D + spare battery $250
K20D + Handgrip D-BG2 + 3 spare batteries $300
Kirk camera plate PZ-117 (ArcaSwiss-standard tripod attachment plate) $25
SMCP -DA 14mm f2.8 ED (IF) $500
SMCP-FA 43mm f1.9 Limited  $450
PK-A 400mm f5.6 $500
PK-A 50mm f1.2 $500

General Details:
All items used but in good condition, probably ranging from Ex to Ex+ or LN in 
the KEH lexicon. The first five I bought new, the 50/1.2 I bought used in LN 
condition.
Insured shipping costs (to U.S. addressees) included for items over $400 or if 
your total purchase is over $400.
For addressees outside of the U.S., insured shipping costs will be extra, but 
minus a $15 discount.
The prices are my best guess at the current market value, minus a PDML 
discount. If you think a price is out of line, let me know and explain why.
Payment ($US only) could be in cash or via check, money order, bank transfer, 
or PayPal.

Specifics:
The K20D to be sold body-only has logged 17,685 shutter activations in the four 
years I have had it. No known issues. As mentioned above, comes with the 
original battery plus one spare. Original box, manuals, software etc. are all 
included.

The 2nd K20D, sold with the D-BG2 battery grip, has logged 14,599 shutter 
activations in the four years I have had it. No known issues. The body comes 
with the original battery plus one spare, and the grip comes with another two 
spares. Original boxes, manuals, software etc. are all included except that I 
can’t find the D-BG2 manual. [Note: I could be persuaded to sell this as 
body-only, in which case the D-BG2 would be on offer for $75.]

The Kirk camera plate is custom designed to provide a solid tripod connection 
for the D-BG2. 

The 14/2.8 could almost be described as NIB. I love the results from this lens 
but have only seldom carried it with me due to its size. Original box, manual, 
soft case are included.

The 43mm Limited (black) is one of the three lenses in the original Limited 
series; I bought it from a dealer in Japan (along with the other two) because 
at first the black versions weren’t distributed in the U.S. My 31mm was on a 
camera that was stolen many years ago, never replaced it. The 77mm has seen 
heavy duty over the years, but the 43mm is one I have never warmed up to. 
Several on the list proclaim this lens as their single most favorite lens, but 
the focal length never seems to fit the way I am looking at a scene. So, seldom 
used, Ex+ condition.

The 400/5.6 is a lovely lens. Fortunately it has a tripod collar; given its 
length and weight it is difficult to handhold, at least for me. I bought this 
used 2-3 years ago. It is in excellent condition and I am pleased with the 
results I get, but I just haven’t used it very much.

The 50/1.2 is another gem. But I just haven't used it more than a few times in 
the 6-8 years that I have owned it; it needs to find a new home.

Contact me offlist: s...@stans-photography.info


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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[George Sinos]

I guess if all you look at is the megapixel count, the two cameras
aren't all that different.  And for a lot of applications the d800 is
going to be sufficient.  The tests certainly show that technical
differences are small.

But as Bill points out, there will be differences that go beyond counting bits.

The sensor on the 645 is 33x44mm.  This is larger than the 35mm full
frame sensors in many DSLRs.  That changes a few things.  The size of
the viewfinder image, the relationships among lens focal length, depth
of field, angle of view, etc.

Different sizes of media format usually bring a difference in
experience other than numbers of pixels and information quality.
Whether these differences are important to you, or worth the
difference in price become personal decisions.

gs
George Sinos

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On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 8:38 AM, William Robb
 wrote:
> On 13/12/2012 11:25 PM, Tom C wrote:
>>>
>>> From: William Robb 
>>>
>>> On 13/12/2012 11:57 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:

 And presto, you have a $10K obsolete piece o crap original 645D.


>>> How is it obsolete? I don't think they stop working when another camera
>>> comes out, and when the 645D was introduced, it was rather a game
>>> changer.
>>> I have spent some time with the 645D. It will take more than a 36mp
>>> small format camera to make the 645D obsolete.
>>> But, one would have to use both to know this.
>>> I have.
>>> Have you?
>>
>>
>> Not intending to butt heads with you Bill. It's obviously not
>> obsolete, but it loses a degree of relevance. If one can arguably get
>> a camera that's quite close in resolution and other performance
>> factors, with a huge lens catalog to choose from. for about 1/3 the
>> price...
>>
>> I looked yesterday  and cannot remember the figures, but the DxO
>> scores were fairly close between the aforementioned bodies (one troll
>> to another).
>>
>> Tom C,
>>
>
> I guess viewfinders don't matter any more. The 645 is a joy to look through,
> the D800 has, by comparison, a dinky little viewfinder with dancing lights
> flashing seemingly at random. I realize this is a small thing that probably
> won't matter to many people, but the 645 is a much nicer camera to work
> with.
> That used to mean something. It seems these days, all that matters is the
> number of megapixels.
>
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Re: OT - McCullin in Syria

[John Sessoms]

From: "Steve Cottrell"

On 13/12/12, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

Cotty:  have you seen his photos on the Times web site?  Since a
subscription is required, I can't see them.  But perhaps you have?
Impressions?


No I haven't. Anyone?


Which Times?

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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Tom C]

> From: Stan Halpin 
>>> From: Darren Addy 
>>>
>>> Just a reminder: The odds may be long that you will beat Tom, but
>>> nominations for PDML Troll of the Year are still open until Dec. 31st.
>>
>> It's a shame when that word's misused to label one's who simply don't
>> agree with a viewpoint or don't share one's enthusiasm.However, if you
>> feel the word applies, so be it. At least I'm an honest one.
>>
>> Tom C.
>
> Tom, it is always useful and refreshing to hear a contrarian view from an 
> accomplished photographer, even when you are dead
> wrong. Without differing views, we would be the PML, and what is the fun of 
> that? So, I say, hang in there!
>
> stan

LOL. Stan. I'll take a complement like that any day. :) Thanks.

Tom C.

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RE: Any thoughts on what might cause this?

[John Sessoms]

Doesn't happen enough to make the machine un-usable, just enough to be
peculiar. There's a lot of computer expertise on the list, so I thought
I'd ask.

It's a problem on the level of "Why is the carpet protector creeping
sideways again?"

... not quite as urgent as "I know I made a cup of coffee, but what the
hell did I do with it?  ???"


From: "Bob W"

I had similar problems with a Dell laptop that I used to use and I never
found out the cause. It started with some problems on  the sound card, and
issues with the fan and overheating. I think the issue was that Windows just
became too fat for the machine to support. I did several re-installs, and
maxed the memory, stripped everything back to basics (as far as that's
possible with Windows and consistent with running something useful and
secure).

It was an old machine so I gave up and bought a new machine with Win7 -
life's too short. I use the old one occasionally for playing with other
operating systems. It currently has Minix on, and someday I'll play about
with it.

B


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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms

This is the computer I use for goofing off on the internet. WindozeXP
SP3.

Sometimes this computer will just freeze. Whatever is on the display at
that time will continue. Mouse pointer won't move. If there's something
coming from the speakers it will stutter continuously until power is
shut off. It does this at rare random times.


[...]


The power supply is reasonably new & I put a new, more powerful cooler
fan on the CPU the last time I replaced the power supply.

What else should I look at?





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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Tom C]

> From: Larry Colen 

> Tom, your recent "Pentax is dead" post may not have been meant as a troll, 
> which I guess just shows your prowess when you can
> do that good of a job without even trying.

In retrospect it was an emotional expedient exaggeration influenced by
a Canadian beverage which shall remain nameless.

Tom C.

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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Matthew Hunt]

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Tom C  wrote:

> In retrospect it was an emotional expedient exaggeration influenced by
> a Canadian beverage which shall remain nameless.

You gotta lay off the poutine smoothies.

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RE: PESO 2012 - 139 - GDG

[John Sessoms]

From: Godfrey DiGiorgi

Another Balda photo from the Saturday walk ... The light changed just as
I went to make this exposure, which gives it a different feel.

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8271277590/
or
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8271277590/lightbox

thanks for looking! comments always appreciated.


Nice. When you wrote "the light changed" I thought maybe you'd taken up
street photography and got caught in the crosswalk or something.

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Re: PESO blue piano player

[Igor Roshchin]

Larry,

The WB appear to be off. Did you try the pipet tool?..
;-)
Just kidding. 

Some fun photos are in there.
I didn't care for the two portraits (#3 and 4 from the back, - I suspect
those are the same as referred by Marnie).

Tha last one, - where you attempted to combine the color and B&W, - 
looks like a cut-out: the edges are two "sharp".
It would benefit from a more "feathered" and lower opacity brush when
you are creating the mask (in PS?)

Cheers,

Igor


On 13/12/12, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I think that my favorite shot of the evening is this one of the piano
>player:
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8268403231/


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Re: What's wrong with the K-01

[John Sessoms]

From: Anthony Farr

On 13 December 2012 14:24, John Sessoms  wrote:

None of his chairs looked like they'd be comfortable to sit in.


And if you did sit on one, I'm certain you'd be shown the door and
asked not to return.  They're for looking at, not using.

regards, Anthony


It's a chair you're not supposed to sit on? That really is complete &
utter nonsense.

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Re: What's wrong with the K-01

[John Sessoms]

From: Anthony Farr


Finally, pardon my grumpiness.  I have prostate cancer, and last week
underwent a brachytherapy implant after a year of hormone blockers.  I
still hurt (a cough or sneeze is unbearable), have no endurance, scant
tolerance, and I have to carry a sieve and a lead container everywhere
in case a radioactive pellet gets loose when I pee.  Have a nice day.

regards, Anthony


Hope things get better for you.

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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Tom C]

> From: William Robb
>
> I guess viewfinders don't matter any more. The 645 is a joy to look
> through, the D800 has, by comparison, a dinky little viewfinder with
> dancing lights flashing seemingly at random. I realize this is a small
> thing that probably won't matter to many people, but the 645 is a much
> nicer camera to work with.
> That used to mean something. It seems these days, all that matters is
> the number of megapixels.

And in comparison to an APS-C K-5, how's the viewfinder on a D800?
Big, bright, spacious and a joy to look through, but I don't hear
complaints about the K-5 viewfinder. :)

One of the differences between the two cameras that's obvious is the
price/performance ratio. The price of a 645D pretty much puts it out
of most people's reach, and if not their reach, it's costly enough
that it's hard to justify. At 1/3 of that, a D800/E is still a costly
item, but is down in a range where many more people are willing and
able to spend the money.

I haven't used a 645D, but buying into that system is more costly than
buying into a FF system from another brand, not to mention lens choice
being a bit sparse, especially in AF.

My guess is that the D800/E outsells the 645D at a factor greater than
100-to-1.  While a camera may not become obsolete because of newer
models, they do become unused. I've spent $1200 apiece on three Pentax
paperweights (*ist D, K20D, K-7). Now more on Nikon/Sony and I plan on
using it through at least several generations of upgrades.

Possibly Pentax should have been a bit more down to earth and spent
their R&D money on a FF system that far more people would be
interested in obtaining. With the 645D, even most Pentaxophiles give
it simply a cursory glance because it's more or less unattainable.

Tom C. (My favorite story is The Three Billy Goats Gruff)

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RE: Geminids tonight (Thursday)

[John Sessoms]

From: Igor Roshchin

A colleague of mine, astronomer, just sent e-mail:


If you have never seen a meteor shower, tonight is your night. The
Geminids are particularly active - 1 meteor a minute or so. It could get
even better as we go into morning.


Igor


Lovely. I wonder how they might be tonight, since I didn't receive this 
in the digest until Friday morning?


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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Walt]

Maybe we should start a fantasy league for cameras.

-- Walt


On 12/14/2012 10:58 AM, Tom C wrote:

From: William Robb

I guess viewfinders don't matter any more. The 645 is a joy to look
through, the D800 has, by comparison, a dinky little viewfinder with
dancing lights flashing seemingly at random. I realize this is a small
thing that probably won't matter to many people, but the 645 is a much
nicer camera to work with.
That used to mean something. It seems these days, all that matters is
the number of megapixels.

And in comparison to an APS-C K-5, how's the viewfinder on a D800?
Big, bright, spacious and a joy to look through, but I don't hear
complaints about the K-5 viewfinder. :)

One of the differences between the two cameras that's obvious is the
price/performance ratio. The price of a 645D pretty much puts it out
of most people's reach, and if not their reach, it's costly enough
that it's hard to justify. At 1/3 of that, a D800/E is still a costly
item, but is down in a range where many more people are willing and
able to spend the money.

I haven't used a 645D, but buying into that system is more costly than
buying into a FF system from another brand, not to mention lens choice
being a bit sparse, especially in AF.

My guess is that the D800/E outsells the 645D at a factor greater than
100-to-1.  While a camera may not become obsolete because of newer
models, they do become unused. I've spent $1200 apiece on three Pentax
paperweights (*ist D, K20D, K-7). Now more on Nikon/Sony and I plan on
using it through at least several generations of upgrades.

Possibly Pentax should have been a bit more down to earth and spent
their R&D money on a FF system that far more people would be
interested in obtaining. With the 645D, even most Pentaxophiles give
it simply a cursory glance because it's more or less unattainable.

Tom C. (My favorite story is The Three Billy Goats Gruff)




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Re: What's wrong with the K-01

[Christine Aguila]

On Dec 14, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Anthony Farr  wrote:

> Good result, congratulations but it sounds like you had a rough time.
> I'm lucky to be a suitable candidate for brachytherapy, so all going
> well I should be cancer free after several months.  The pellets have a
> half life of two months so they'll be down to 1/64th energy in a year
> and pretty much spent.  After that I'll learn how successful the
> treatment is.  Right now I have to keep close contact (less than a
> metre) with under 18 year olds and pregnant women to brief periods.
> My twelve year old son is giving me a wide berth, the whole idea
> creeps him out I fear.


Sorry to hear, but wishing you speedy recovery, Anthony!  Cheers, Christine

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RE: Pentax 645D IR

[John Sessoms]

This looks like it's going to be fun. I probably should make popcorn 
before I settle in.


From: AlunFoto - Jostein ?ksne

J.C.O. is entirely right. Once superseded by another model, the 645D
will stop taking pictures on any ISO other than 140, force JPG
format, and introduce a lag of 30 seconds before writing exposures to
card. During that lag, you will see a message on the chimp screen
explaining what you have to do to re-enable the camera's
functionality. For unknown reasons, this message will only appear in
the language used by the Inuits of North-East Greenland, who refuse
to translate because they find the text offensive.

The next model will be a lot better. Among its most important
achievents will be abandoning the hopelessly inaccurate way of
relaying aperture information between camera and optics using a
simple lever. According to Pentax officials, that's on par with steam
engines for obsolence, and they are deeply ashamed about it still
being there, despite their best efforts to move forward.

Just FYI, you know, like, :-)

Cheers,
Jostein

"J.C. O'Connell"  wrote:


And presto, you have a $10K obsolete piece o crap original 645D.

-
J.C.O'Connell
hifis...@gate.net
-

-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 12:53 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Pentax 645D IR

Unfortunatly this doesn't address the main problem, The Nikon D800
pretty much equals the image quality of low end medium format DSLRs in
a
35mm body format.  Pentax Ricoh needs to announce a higher resolution
improved image quality upgrade to the 645d real soon  now.

On 12/13/2012 2:26 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:

Looks like it is:
http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/pentax-645d-ir-announced.html



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Re: Geminids tonight (Thursday)

[Igor Roshchin]

Fri Dec 14 11:58:42 EST 2012
John Sessoms wrote:

> From: Igor Roshchin
> > A colleague of mine, astronomer, just sent e-mail:
> >
> >> If you have never seen a meteor shower, tonight is your night. The
> >> Geminids are particularly active - 1 meteor a minute or so. It could
> >> get
> >> even better as we go into morning.
> >
> > Igor
> 
> Lovely. I wonder how they might be tonight, since I didn't receive this 
> in the digest until Friday morning?

John,

"You snooze, you lose" ;-)

That's what you are riskng if you read PDML from the digest.
(And that's why I explicitly wrote "Thursday" in the subject.)

Cheers,

Igor



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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[William Robb]

On 14/12/2012 10:58 AM, Tom C wrote:

From: William Robb

I guess viewfinders don't matter any more. The 645 is a joy to look
through, the D800 has, by comparison, a dinky little viewfinder with
dancing lights flashing seemingly at random. I realize this is a small
thing that probably won't matter to many people, but the 645 is a much
nicer camera to work with.
That used to mean something. It seems these days, all that matters is
the number of megapixels.


And in comparison to an APS-C K-5, how's the viewfinder on a D800?
Big, bright, spacious and a joy to look through, but I don't hear
complaints about the K-5 viewfinder. :)


I don't bother to complain any more, but it's pretty much a given that 
APS-C sized viewfinders suck bunny bums. The D800 finder is very nice, 
albeit somewhat busy.




One of the differences between the two cameras that's obvious is the
price/performance ratio. The price of a 645D pretty much puts it out
of most people's reach, and if not their reach, it's costly enough
that it's hard to justify. At 1/3 of that, a D800/E is still a costly
item, but is down in a range where many more people are willing and
able to spend the money.


One could easily say the same thing about any Pentax product as compared 
to any Nikon product, no matter what the price range.
Pentax set themselves up to fail in this regard some 25 years ago when 
they decided to become the budget brand. They set themselves up as a 
brand that no one would spend real money on.
It's probably got a lot to do with why you bought into Pentax in the 
first place.




I haven't used a 645D, but buying into that system is more costly than
buying into a FF system from another brand, not to mention lens choice
being a bit sparse, especially in AF.

My guess is that the D800/E outsells the 645D at a factor greater than
100-to-1.


Nothing much has changed since the film days in this regard. Thirty-five 
mm "pro grade" cameras probably outsold medium format cameras of all 
types by a factor of over 100:1.



While a camera may not become obsolete because of newer
models, they do become unused. I've spent $1200 apiece on three Pentax
paperweights (*ist D, K20D, K-7). Now more on Nikon/Sony and I plan on
using it through at least several generations of upgrades.


This is the nature of digital cameras. Had you bought into Nikon or 
Canon, you would have the same complaint. Every photographer I know has, 
if they are buying recent technology, has multiple DSLRs sitting around 
doing nothing.
At this point, because the technology has matured, it will probably be 
easier to sit on today's technology for a lot longer. This applies to 
all manufacturers, not just Nikon or Sony.




Possibly Pentax should have been a bit more down to earth and spent
their R&D money on a FF system that far more people would be
interested in obtaining. With the 645D, even most Pentaxophiles give
it simply a cursory glance because it's more or less unattainable.


It wouldn't have mattered what they did, people would still bitch about 
it. If they had released a 24x36 mm K-Mount, then people would be 
bitching that their present lens line up was deficient, and that Pentax 
had abandoned them with their smaller image circle lenses, and then they 
would have to deal with the inevitable complaints about too little/too 
late, and why are they wasting their money on a market niche they don't 
have a hope of breaking in to in any significant way.
At least with the 645 they did a camera that operates in a niche that 
the "full frame" cameras don't operate in, and when the thing came out, 
40mp was a lot of mp.
That it no longer is points to how fast digital technology has matured. 
I would expect the next generation of 645D, if they follow up on it, 
will up the megapixel ante significantly.




Tom C. (My favorite story is The Three Billy Goats Gruff)

Mine is "The Courage of the Early Morning", even though Billy Bishop's 
war record has pretty much been debunked.


--

William Robb

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Re: Pentax K-30 Get a Nod at Expedition Portal

[Kevin Thornsberry]

Apparently Matthew Scott wasn't done nodding at the K-30.  A fuller 
article has now appeared here:


http://www.expeditionportal.com/component/content/article/109-electronics/1749-the-weather-sealed-pentax-k-30-perfect-for-adventure-travel.html

with a wink to the venerable Pentax Spotmatic.


Kevin

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Thornsberry 
To: pdml 
Sent: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:35 pm
Subject: Pentax K-30 Get a Nod at Expedition Portal


Matthew Scott at Expedition Portal, a forum for those interested in 
vehicle dependent driving trips across continents or around the world 
recently posted a brief  article about the weather sealed Pentax K-30.  
I've also noticed he has mentioned the camera in some of his other 
articles.  Thought I would share with the 
group.http://www.expeditionportal.com/expedition-gear/accessories/1577-st

uff-and-things-pentax-k-30-weatherproof-digital-slr.htmlKevin
 


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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Mark Roberts]

William Robb wrote:

>I don't bother to complain any more, but it's pretty much a given that 
>APS-C sized viewfinders suck bunny bums.

Quote of the year.
 
-- 
Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia
www.robertstech.com





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RE: What's wrong with the K-01

[John Sessoms]

Two years since my surgery; year and a half since radiation.

Got a follow-up appointment with the oncologist next week. Last time my
PSA was "below the threshold of meaningful detection" [0.05] whatever
that means.

The doctor at the VA comes over from Duke Hospital, and said the VA uses
a test that shows levels of PSA that the test Duke uses can't detect
[below 0.1].

The doctors said that with the treatment I received there's a 61% chance
the cancer wouldn't come back within 5 years, and 50% chance it won't come
back within 10 years.

From: "Gerrit Visser"

Cancer sucks, I spent most of this year with prostate surgery, then
radiation treatments. PSA is now undetectable so I guess I am fortunate that
it got dealt with in less than a year.

Gerrit

-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Anthony Farr
Sent: December 14, 2012 8:58 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the K-01

Thanks Stan.  No longer a problem, there is no old film stock at my house.
I do carry a letter from my oncologist to explain any oddities about, for
instance, airport security scans and how vital it is that my sieve and my
small lead flask are not taken away from me.

regards, Anthony



On 15 December 2012 00:43, Stan Halpin  wrote:


On Dec 14, 2012, at 12:28 AM, Anthony Farr wrote:


... we know how you feel about optical frame 'finders and wire frame
'finders and live-view-on-the LCD 'finders and no 'finders.  Just
don't buy them and see if I care.

Finally, pardon my grumpiness.  I have prostate cancer, and last week
underwent a brachytherapy implant after a year of hormone blockers.
I still hurt (a cough or sneeze is unbearable), have no endurance,
scant tolerance, and I have to carry a sieve and a lead container
everywhere in case a radioactive pellet gets loose when I pee.  Have a

nice day.


regards, Anthony


Sorry to hear about your medical travails Anthony! But, to try and see

this from the lighter side, does this mean that you have to be careful not
to sit too close to any of your old film stock?


stan



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Re: What's wrong with the K-01

[steve harley]

on 2012-12-14 1:51 Anthony Farr wrote

On 14 December 2012 18:17, steve harley  wrote:

regarding the K-01, the appearance is not awful, but i'd feel awkward with
it in public because it is too attention-getting; i think much of Newson's
aesthetic is like that; i also have non-Newson concerns: manual focus, grip
ergonomics


It sounds like it's not the camera for you.  It's a good thing that
nobody's forced to own one.


no of course not, i was just differentiating my own response to the K-01 from 
the inference you made


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PESO - Peter Piper...

[Eactivist]

Taken at San Francisco's Farmer's Market (on  the pier), in  2011.

http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/peterpiper.html

Comments  welcome.

Marnie aka Doe :-)  


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Re: PESO - Peter Piper...

[kwaller]

Nicely captured.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

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From: 

Subject: PESO - Peter Piper...




Taken at San Francisco's Farmer's Market (on  the pier), in  2011.

http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/peterpiper.html

Comments  welcome.

Marnie aka Doe :-)  



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FS: Two Sigma 24mm f/2.8 Super-Wide II lenses (one AF, one MF)

[Joe Wilensky]

Two lenses in excellent condition -- the AF Sigma 24mm f/2.8 Super-Wide II and 
the MF (with Pentax-A contacts) Sigma 24mm f/2.8 Super-Wide II lenses in Pentax 
mount.

The AF lens seems to need a -1.0 EF adjustment on most Pentax digital bodies; 
the MF lens needs -1.3 EF or so (this seems to be typical of Sigma lenses from 
the film era on current Pentax bodies?)

These are nice compact prime lenses and the AF version is not something Pentax 
has ever had in its own lineup (only the very large and expensive 24mm f/2.0).

See a decent selection of comments and reviews on these two lenses here:

http://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/sigma-24mm-f2-8-af-super-wide-ii.html

http://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/sigma-24mm-f2-8-super-wide-ii.html

Both are multicoated, have 52mm filter threads and I believe I have two copies 
of the clip-on "Sigma perfect hoods" that go with them.

The AF lens focuses in the "correct" Pentax direction; the MF lens is opposite. 
F-stop ring is the correct Pentax direction on both lenses. They both focus 
down to 0/6 ft./0.18 m.

Asking $135 for the AF lens, $85 for the MF.

Joe Wilensky


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Re: PESO - Peter Piper...

[Jack Davis]

Alright, how many did Peter Piper pick?
Like it, Marnie!

Jack
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To: pdml@pdml.net
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 10:15 AM
Subject: PESO - Peter Piper...


Taken at San Francisco's Farmer's Market (on  the pier), in  2011.

http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/peterpiper.html

Comments  welcome.

Marnie aka Doe :-)  


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Re: PESO - Peter Piper...

[P. J. Alling]

Funny, they don't look pickled.

On 12/14/2012 1:15 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

Taken at San Francisco's Farmer's Market (on  the pier), in  2011.

http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/peterpiper.html

Comments  welcome.

Marnie aka Doe :-)





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Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a 
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Re: Any thoughts on what might cause this?

[P. J. Alling]

It sounds like it has a high priority task that's not completing.  
Usually this doesn't quite crash the GUI but does lock it up.  Back when 
I was doing SDK development it happened all the time, but then I could 
usually deduce which task had gone haywire, since I usually created the 
problem.  In this case it could be anything from a rogue dll that cannot 
completely load and doesn't fail gracefully to a hardware problem such 
as a problematic sector on a hard drive.   You don't mention if you're 
using SATA or PATA drives, ribbon cables can go bad over time and lead 
to very hard to diagnose problems if the error is intermittent.  I don't 
have enough long term experience with SATA cables to know if they could 
cause the same problem.  You can also have similar problems if any 
expansion cards aren't completely seated or there are cracked leads to 
the cards on the buss.


On 12/14/2012 11:26 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

Doesn't happen enough to make the machine un-usable, just enough to be
peculiar. There's a lot of computer expertise on the list, so I thought
I'd ask.

It's a problem on the level of "Why is the carpet protector creeping
sideways again?"

... not quite as urgent as "I know I made a cup of coffee, but what the
hell did I do with it?  ???"


From: "Bob W"

I had similar problems with a Dell laptop that I used to use and I never
found out the cause. It started with some problems on  the sound 
card, and
issues with the fan and overheating. I think the issue was that 
Windows just
became too fat for the machine to support. I did several re-installs, 
and

maxed the memory, stripped everything back to basics (as far as that's
possible with Windows and consistent with running something useful and
secure).

It was an old machine so I gave up and bought a new machine with Win7 -
life's too short. I use the old one occasionally for playing with other
operating systems. It currently has Minix on, and someday I'll play 
about

with it.

B


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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms

This is the computer I use for goofing off on the internet. WindozeXP
SP3.

Sometimes this computer will just freeze. Whatever is on the display at
that time will continue. Mouse pointer won't move. If there's something
coming from the speakers it will stutter continuously until power is
shut off. It does this at rare random times.


[...]


The power supply is reasonably new & I put a new, more powerful cooler
fan on the CPU the last time I replaced the power supply.

What else should I look at?








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Re: PESO 2012 - 139 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 8:36 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:
>> Another Balda photo from the Saturday walk ... The light changed just as
>> I went to make this exposure, which gives it a different feel.
>>
>>   http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8271277590/
>> or
>>   http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8271277590/lightbox
>>
>> thanks for looking! comments always appreciated.
>
>
> Nice. When you wrote "the light changed" I thought maybe you'd taken up
> street photography and got caught in the crosswalk or something.

Thanks!

Um, maybe that's when I take up photographing flat cats ... ;-)
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Re: Geminids tonight (Thursday)

[John Sessoms]

From: Igor Roshchin

Fri Dec 14 11:58:42 EST 2012
John Sessoms wrote:


From: Igor Roshchin

A colleague of mine, astronomer, just sent e-mail:


If you have never seen a meteor shower, tonight is your night. The
Geminids are particularly active - 1 meteor a minute or so. It could
get
even better as we go into morning.


Igor


Lovely. I wonder how they might be tonight, since I didn't receive this
in the digest until Friday morning?


John,

"You snooze, you lose" ;-)

That's what you are riskng if you read PDML from the digest.
(And that's why I explicitly wrote "Thursday" in the subject.)

Cheers,

Igor



Still, these kind of events don't exactly punch a time-clock. I was just 
wondering if there might be any lingering around after the peak enough 
to make it worth wandering out after dark tonight.


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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[John Sessoms]

From: William Robb

Possibly Pentax should have been a bit more down to earth and spent
their R&D money on a FF system that far more people would be
interested in obtaining. With the 645D, even most Pentaxophiles give
it simply a cursory glance because it's more or less unattainable.


It wouldn't have mattered what they did, people would still bitch about
it. If they had released a 24x36 mm K-Mount, then people would be
bitching that their present lens line up was deficient, and that Pentax
had abandoned them with their smaller image circle lenses, and then they
would have to deal with the inevitable complaints about too little/too
late, and why are they wasting their money on a market niche they don't
have a hope of breaking in to in any significant way.


Wouldn't bother me. With only a very few exceptions all of my lenses are
either DG (i.e. full frame digital) or legacy film lenses that already
cover 24x36 mm.

I might have to replace my 18-55 kit lens, but on a 24x36 mm sensor my
28-70f/2.8 has the same field of view, so maybe not.

Other than that I don't think it would be that much problem.

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Re: Any thoughts on what might cause this?

[Darren Addy]

As soon as you experience some sort of freeze, hit CTRL+ALT+DELETE and
click the Task Manager button.
The Task Manager window will open. Click on the "Processes" tab and
then click the CPU heading (twice). That will sort the list in
descending order by CPU usage. See if you have a process that is
eating up a large percentage of your CPU time. You can Google the
process name if you don't recognize it.

Prime suspect is normally spyware/adware, so downloading the free
MalwareBytes for a check of that is recommended.

There are lots of other possibilities, but that's what I'd try first.

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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Darren Addy]

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:57 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> Wouldn't bother me. With only a very few exceptions all of my lenses are
> either DG (i.e. full frame digital) or legacy film lenses that already
> cover 24x36 mm.

Yep, yep. What John said.

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Re: What's wrong with the K-01

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Anthony Farr :


Finally, pardon my grumpiness.  I have prostate cancer, and last week
underwent a brachytherapy implant after a year of hormone blockers.  I
still hurt (a cough or sneeze is unbearable), have no endurance, scant
tolerance, and I have to carry a sieve and a lead container everywhere
in case a radioactive pellet gets loose when I pee.  Have a nice day.



Anthony - really sorry to hear that.  As one who has been down a  
similar path (now over 20 years ago), cancer is no fun whatever the  
prognosis (and, from your subsequent posts I see yours is good).


You're entitled to some grumpiness, so go for it!


Best wishes

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Re: Mini-GESO: Sunrise 12/11/2012

[Ann Sanfedele]

Somehow I don't see you reveling and debauching ...

the first one is stunning but scary... was that a fire?  Or was there an 
event at the old munitions plant?


Nice reflections on the water in the other.

ann

On 12/12/2012 12:21, Walt wrote:

Taking another shot at posting a few images from yesterday morning,
taken just before I finally rolled in from a night of revelry and
debauchery.

Taken with my K20D and FA 50/1.4

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157632224235652/

As always, comments and suggestions are eagerly accepted.

Thanks!

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Re: OT: Any thoughts on what might cause this?

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The kind of hardcore lock-up you describe usually points toward a
hardware issue of some kind. I suspect the video card first but you
might try swapping our memory modules first (because that's cheaper):
If you have more than one memory module, remove one. See if the
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Re: Any thoughts on what might cause this?

[P. J. Alling]

On 12/14/2012 3:04 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

As soon as you experience some sort of freeze, hit CTRL+ALT+DELETE and
click the Task Manager button.
The Task Manager window will open. Click on the "Processes" tab and
then click the CPU heading (twice). That will sort the list in
descending order by CPU usage. See if you have a process that is
eating up a large percentage of your CPU time. You can Google the
process name if you don't recognize it.

Prime suspect is normally spyware/adware, so downloading the free
MalwareBytes for a check of that is recommended.

There are lots of other possibilities, but that's what I'd try first.

Unless the UI is so completely locked up that the old three finger 
salute doesn't get recognized.  I'm assuming he's already tried that.  
When the latest HD failure in my desktop happened the system would lock 
up trying to load software from almost failed sectors on the failing 
drive.  Sometimes the GUI would lock and only a hard reboot would get it 
going again.


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Re: Mini-GESO: Sunrise 12/11/2012

[Larry Colen]

On Dec 13, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Walt wrote:

> Thank you, Marnie.
> 
> It's actually a steam column from a cooling tower at a uranium enrichment 
> plant, which lends a little credence to the post-apocalyptic look, now that I 
> think about it. ;)

Oak Ridge?  I may have written some software for an air flow meter that they 
use to measure how much radiation is being released.


> 
> Also, I agree with you on that little bit poking in on the left. I'll give it 
> a shot, and if I can't do a credible job, I may just crop it out completely.
> 
> Thanks again!
> 
> -- Walt
> 
> On 12/12/2012 12:11 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
>> Nice Geso. Top one is a very unusual cloud, sort  of end of the worldish.
>> Is that a flock of birds in front of the cloud? Nice  shot.
>> 
>> Marnie aka Doe :-)  To give it more impact, I'd clone out the  little bit
>> of cloud sticking in on the left. But that is me.
>> 
>> In  a message dated 12/12/2012 9:21:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>> ldott...@gmail.com writes:
>> Taking another shot at posting a few images from  yesterday morning,
>> taken just before I finally rolled in from a night of  revelry and
>> debauchery.
>> 
>> Taken with my K20D and FA  50/1.4
>> 
>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157632224235652/
>> 
>> As  always, comments and suggestions are eagerly accepted.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> --  Walt
>> 
>> 
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Re: What's wrong with the K-01

[Anthony Farr]

It's Art.  What can I say?

"Lockheed Lounges" have topped $US 2 million, when the greenback was
still riding high.  The example I've seen was in a glass case,
probably so the kiddies wouldn't climb all over it.  There's only
fifteen of them, so the world isn't being denied any meaningful amount
of sitting space.

If you do a Google image search for "art furniture" you'll find a lot
of stuff meant for looking rather than using, and I guarantee there
will be something in the search results for everyone to hate.  I
suspect that an unspoken but essential quality of all art is that
somebody, somewhere, must hate it.

regards, Anthony



On 15 December 2012 03:46, John Sessoms  wrote:
> It's a chair you're not supposed to sit on? That really is complete &
> utter nonsense.

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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[P. J. Alling]

DxOMark gives sensor in the D800E with an overall rating of 96 for 
quality, and the Pentax 645D an 82. The Nikon has an effective EV range 
of over 14 stops the Pentax about 12.  The Nikon has a 36.3mp sensor 
with linear values of 7360x4912, which gives a 300dpi print size without 
undue manipulation of 24 1/2" x 16 1/3".  The 645D has a 40mp sensor 
with linear values of 7264x5440, which gives a 300dpi print size of  
roughly 24 1/5" x 18 1/10".  Now the actual sensor size of the Nikon is 
35.9mm  x 24mm, and the Pentax is 44mm x 33mm so given that both 
manufactures decided to give 100% viewfinder coverage with say 90% 
magnification the Pentax would win out, but since neither manufacture 
decided to do that and I haven't actually been able to look through 
either finder, but only go by written specifications* I can't say which 
finder is better, at the cost differential, if I needed the resolution, 
I'd have to buy the Nikon.  Especially as I'm starting from zero with 
both systems.


Based on this it's evident that Pentax must upgrade the 645D to stay 
competitive, but that said the same is true of any maker of medium 
format backs for existing systems.  The only advantage Pentax has here 
is that the whole 645D camera body usually costs less than a back for 
another system.  Pentax's other disadvantages are it's lack of lenses, 
only two currently in production, and the fact that it was designed to 
medium format requirements, where as the Nikon is a general purpose 
camera, designed to near sports photography requirements, that delivers 
medium format image quality.


*Based on those specifications of 100% coverage with 70% magnification 
for the Nikon and 95% coverage and 65% magnification for the Pentax, I'd 
say it's a wash anyway, once again given that I've never actually been 
able to look through either.




On 12/14/2012 9:51 AM, George Sinos wrote:

I guess if all you look at is the megapixel count, the two cameras
aren't all that different.  And for a lot of applications the d800 is
going to be sufficient.  The tests certainly show that technical
differences are small.

But as Bill points out, there will be differences that go beyond counting bits.

The sensor on the 645 is 33x44mm.  This is larger than the 35mm full
frame sensors in many DSLRs.  That changes a few things.  The size of
the viewfinder image, the relationships among lens focal length, depth
of field, angle of view, etc.

Different sizes of media format usually bring a difference in
experience other than numbers of pixels and information quality.
Whether these differences are important to you, or worth the
difference in price become personal decisions.

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On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 8:38 AM, William Robb
 wrote:

On 13/12/2012 11:25 PM, Tom C wrote:

From: William Robb 

On 13/12/2012 11:57 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:

And presto, you have a $10K obsolete piece o crap original 645D.



How is it obsolete? I don't think they stop working when another camera
comes out, and when the 645D was introduced, it was rather a game
changer.
I have spent some time with the 645D. It will take more than a 36mp
small format camera to make the 645D obsolete.
But, one would have to use both to know this.
I have.
Have you?


Not intending to butt heads with you Bill. It's obviously not
obsolete, but it loses a degree of relevance. If one can arguably get
a camera that's quite close in resolution and other performance
factors, with a huge lens catalog to choose from. for about 1/3 the
price...

I looked yesterday  and cannot remember the figures, but the DxO
scores were fairly close between the aforementioned bodies (one troll
to another).

Tom C,


I guess viewfinders don't matter any more. The 645 is a joy to look through,
the D800 has, by comparison, a dinky little viewfinder with dancing lights
flashing seemingly at random. I realize this is a small thing that probably
won't matter to many people, but the 645 is a much nicer camera to work
with.
That used to mean something. It seems these days, all that matters is the
number of megapixels.

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Re: Any thoughts on what might cause this?

[John Sessoms]

From: "P. J. Alling"

It sounds like it has a high priority task that's not completing.
Usually this doesn't quite crash the GUI but does lock it up.  Back when
I was doing SDK development it happened all the time, but then I could
usually deduce which task had gone haywire, since I usually created the
problem.  In this case it could be anything from a rogue dll that cannot
completely load and doesn't fail gracefully to a hardware problem such
as a problematic sector on a hard drive.   You don't mention if you're
using SATA or PATA drives, ribbon cables can go bad over time and lead
to very hard to diagnose problems if the error is intermittent.  I don't
have enough long term experience with SATA cables to know if they could
cause the same problem.  You can also have similar problems if any
expansion cards aren't completely seated or there are cracked leads to
the cards on the buss.


That describes it pretty well, the GUI doesn't crash but it does lock up.

I've tried just walking away from it to see if maybe it will eventually
unlock, but so far no joy. I've left it over-night & it's still frozen
the next day.

It still has PATA CD-ROM & DVD drives, but the new HDD is SATA. Cables
should all be good, I had a look at them when I was replacing the memory.

But "rogue dll" makes me wonder if I need to look for a new mouse
driver. The one thing that I'm sure is common to every occurrence is I
go to move the mouse pointer & find it's frozen.

Thanks for the ideas.

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Re: Any thoughts on what might cause this?

[John Sessoms]

From: Darren Addy

As soon as you experience some sort of freeze, hit CTRL+ALT+DELETE and
click the Task Manager button.
The Task Manager window will open. Click on the "Processes" tab and
then click the CPU heading (twice). That will sort the list in
descending order by CPU usage. See if you have a process that is
eating up a large percentage of your CPU time. You can Google the
process name if you don't recognize it.

Prime suspect is normally spyware/adware, so downloading the free
MalwareBytes for a check of that is recommended.

There are lots of other possibilities, but that's what I'd try first.


Doesn't respond to CTRL+ALT+DELETE once it's frozen. Caps Lock & Num
Lock will not toggle once it's frozen. No response to keyboard or mouse
at all. That's why I'm having to do hard reboots.

I don't think it's spyware/adware. I'm running a strong HOSTS file,
fairly restrictive privacy settings on my browser & NoScript. I've got
fairly good anti-virus & have been regularly applying all of the
security updates for WindozeXP.

If I have Firefox open, when I re-launch it after rebooting all of the
previously open tabs will reload and the focus will be on the tab that
was in focus when it froze. It opens to the same state it was in at the
time it froze.

Thunderbird, OTOH, will open without any message loaded, but it will
show the message that I was reading when it froze marked as read.

Plus it has occasionally frozen when I was using my word processor or
spread sheets or playing solitaire and not on the web.

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Re: Any thoughts on what might cause this?

[Anthony Farr]

On 15 December 2012 09:26, John Sessoms  wrote:
> But "rogue dll" makes me wonder if I need to look for a new mouse
> driver. The one thing that I'm sure is common to every occurrence is I
> go to move the mouse pointer & find it's frozen.

It's still possible that it's a video rendering freeze.  I've had a
similar occurrence and it became apparent that the mouse did function
(I got a reaction to a click at an assumed position of the mouse
pointer) but the display wasn't updating to any new input or actions.
I've found that pressing the Windows key on a frozen display can
sometimes break through the lockup better than ctrl-alt-del, the start
menu will pop up and allow you to access some actions, although you
may need to use the arrow keys and "enter".  I've been able to do a
soft shutdown this way.  Repeated hard shutdowns seem to get a
computer into a downward spiral of errors and faults.

regards, Anthony

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Re: OT: Any thoughts on what might cause this?

[John Sessoms]

From: Mark Roberts

The kind of hardcore lock-up you describe usually points toward a
hardware issue of some kind. I suspect the video card first but you
might try swapping our memory modules first (because that's cheaper):
If you have more than one memory module, remove one. See if the
problem goes away with only one memory module installed. Try swapping
slots. Sometimes removing and reinserting the modules helps (try that
with the video card).


I replaced the system memory about two weeks ago. These freeze-ups had
been going on before that. That was one reason I replaced the memory.
The other reason was to go from 1GB RAM to 2GB RAM (max the main-board
will accept) because I thought it might make the system run faster when
I was multi-tasking.

The video card is seated properly as well as I can tell. I had to remove
it to make room so I could get my hands inside the case when I was
putting in the new memory.

But it is getting a bit long in the tooth, so maybe I should just
replace it while I can still find an AGP video card.

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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Rob Studdert]

On 15 December 2012 01:38, William Robb  wrote:

> I guess viewfinders don't matter any more. The 645 is a joy to look through,
> the D800 has, by comparison, a dinky little viewfinder with dancing lights
> flashing seemingly at random. I realize this is a small thing that probably
> won't matter to many people, but the 645 is a much nicer camera to work
> with.

I must say I'm still a bit baffled every time I read praise for the
645 finder, granted I've only had experience with the original 645 (I
owned two over several years). As far as I'm aware all variations to
date used the "telescope" finder device to extend the eyepiece from
the rear of the prism in order the clear the bulky film cassette. I
always found it a pain to centre my view in the finder (sans glasses),
I found that often it was a chore to see the whole of the frame.
Assuming that the 645 finder design hasn't transmogrified since the
early days I am pretty sure that I would prefer the D800 finder over
the 645D finder information overload or not.



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Re: Does anyone use Jeffrey Friedl's LR plugins?

[Larry Colen]

On Dec 13, 2012, at 8:19 PM, David Parsons wrote:

> I don't use those plugins, but his work is very thorough and well
> thought out, even if there is a bit of a learning curve to some of
> them.

Agreed.  I have paid him money for several of his plugins.


> 
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Gerrit Visser  wrote:
>> Specifically folder-status and folder-publisher?
>> 
>> I am trying to prepare for a 90+ day photo shoot and I think I might need
>> some help in reminding myself what I have and haven't done to my (and my
>> wife's ) DNG/PEF's. Also to have a folder structure parallel to the 'real'
>> stuff for blog quality photos. It seems that these 2 plugins would fit the
>> bill.
>> http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/folder-publisher
>> http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/folder-status
>> 
>> Any comments on these?
>> 
>> 
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Re: PESO blue piano player

[Larry Colen]

On Dec 14, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote:

> 
> 
> Larry,
> 
> The WB appear to be off. Did you try the pipet tool?..
> ;-)
> Just kidding. 
> 
> Some fun photos are in there.
> I didn't care for the two portraits (#3 and 4 from the back, - I suspect
> those are the same as referred by Marnie).
> 
> Tha last one, - where you attempted to combine the color and B&W, - 
> looks like a cut-out: the edges are two "sharp".
> It would benefit from a more "feathered" and lower opacity brush when
> you are creating the mask (in PS?)

In lightroom, I used the adjustment brush and desaturated the pianist.

I tried another shot at it feathering things with the adjustment brush and the 
eraser:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8272388167/

The original is here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8268403615/in/set-72157632237743666

Thanks for the suggestion.

> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Igor
> 
> 
> On 13/12/12, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I think that my favorite shot of the evening is this one of the piano
>> player:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8268403231/
> 
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OT - Large prints

[kwaller]

I wanted to pass on a great source for large prints. I ordered a 3 foot X 2 
foot print of one of my Inside Passage images 5 days ago and received it 
from Fed Ex this afternoon.


The print was done by Bay Photo Lab - www.bayphoto.com

I ordered what they call a 'Thinwrap' which is a frameless way to get your 
print all ready for hanging.
The print can be done on several choices of paper, which is then 
over-laminated with either a glossy or satin laminate and then mounted on 
gatorboard. Half inch thick block spacers are then attached to the back to 
provide a floating effect.


Their work was superb, from both the print and mount aspect.

I couldn't be happier with the results.

BTW, the image quality of the print is outstanding! An almost full frame 
image from a K20D.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller 



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RE: Does anyone use Jeffrey Friedl's LR plugins?

[Gerrit Visser]

Thank you David and Larry,
At the price I can't go wrong. And since you both confirm the quality of his
work, the risk is low.


Gerrit

-Original Message-
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On Dec 13, 2012, at 8:19 PM, David Parsons wrote:

> I don't use those plugins, but his work is very thorough and well 
> thought out, even if there is a bit of a learning curve to some of 
> them.

Agreed.  I have paid him money for several of his plugins.


> 
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Gerrit Visser 
wrote:
>> Specifically folder-status and folder-publisher?
>> 
>> I am trying to prepare for a 90+ day photo shoot and I think I might 
>> need some help in reminding myself what I have and haven't done to my 
>> (and my wife's ) DNG/PEF's. Also to have a folder structure parallel to
the 'real'
>> stuff for blog quality photos. It seems that these 2 plugins would 
>> fit the bill.
>> http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/folder-publisher
>> http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/folder-status
>> 
>> Any comments on these?
>> 
>> 
>> Gerrit


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Re: PESOs - A Chrysler at Packard

[Rick Womer]

Paul,

According to photo.net, none of those pix exist, or they have been deleted.

Rick
 
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


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Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:56 PM
Subject: PESOs - A Chrysler at Packard

Shot a car today at what is left of the Packard Proving 
grounds in Shelby, Michigan:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483795

The car was a 1959 Chrysler Imperial two-seat roadster -- a car that never 
exacted, save in one man's fantasy. The proving ground venue just happened to 
be handy and aesthetically a nice match for the car. Here it is in front of the 
old Packard garage:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483792&size=lg

And smoking the hides on the remains of the Packard test track, which was once 
a 2 1/2- mile oval (if memory serves me). All that remains is a few hundred 
feet of track and guardrail:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483794&size=lg



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Re: PESO - Peter Piper...

[Eactivist]

Thanks Ken and Jack.

And, :-P,  Peter.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

In a message dated 12/14/2012 11:20:25  A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
webstertwenty...@gmail.com writes:

Funny,  they don't look pickled.

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In a  message dated 12/14/2012 10:50:07 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
jdavi...@yahoo.com  writes:


Alright, how many did Peter Piper pick?
Like it,  Marnie!

Jack


In a  message dated 12/14/2012 10:33:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
kwal...@peoplepc.com writes:

Nicely captured.

Kenneth  Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller


>  
> Taken at San Francisco's Farmer's Market (on  the pier), in   2011.
> 
>  http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/peterpiper.html
> 
>  Comments  welcome.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe :-)   


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Re: What's wrong with the K-01

[Anthony Farr]

On 15 December 2012 03:56, John Sessoms  wrote:
> Hope things get better for you


On 15 December 2012 04:13, Christine Aguila  wrote:
>
> Sorry to hear, but wishing you speedy recovery, Anthony!  Cheers, Christine


On 15 December 2012 08:03, Brian Walters  wrote:
> Anthony - really sorry to hear that.  As one who has been down a similar
> path (now over 20 years ago), cancer is no fun whatever the prognosis (and,
> from your subsequent posts I see yours is good).
>
> You're entitled to some grumpiness, so go for it!


Thanks, John, Christine, Brian.

The annoying aspect is that I had no symptoms UNTIL the treatment
started, and the second month is expected to be worse as the radiation
takes effect.  My family history meant that my PSA level was being
watched closely, and at the first sign of acceleration the biopsies
began and eventually found the very earliest traces of cancer.  I'm
told that noticeable symptoms indicate a serious tumour, and treatment
at that stage is necessarily more radical.  In that case I'm glad to
have traded a few biopsies and a brachytherapy procedure for what is a
very nasty piece of surgery backed up by a gruelling course of
external radiation.  I'm sure I'll feel lucky after the dust has
settled.

regards, Anthony

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Re: Any thoughts on what might cause this?

[John Sessoms]

From: Anthony Farr

On 15 December 2012 09:26, John Sessoms  wrote:

But "rogue dll" makes me wonder if I need to look for a new mouse
driver. The one thing that I'm sure is common to every occurrence is I
go to move the mouse pointer & find it's frozen.


It's still possible that it's a video rendering freeze.  I've had a
similar occurrence and it became apparent that the mouse did function
(I got a reaction to a click at an assumed position of the mouse
pointer) but the display wasn't updating to any new input or actions.
I've found that pressing the Windows key on a frozen display can
sometimes break through the lockup better than ctrl-alt-del, the start
menu will pop up and allow you to access some actions, although you
may need to use the arrow keys and "enter".  I've been able to do a
soft shutdown this way.  Repeated hard shutdowns seem to get a
computer into a downward spiral of errors and faults.

regards, Anthony


Drat.

IBM 101-key click keyboard - no windoze keys. I'll have to look around
and see if I can scrounge up a spare windows-keyboard. Hate to give up
my good keyboard. I just love the feel of typing on this thing.

FWIW, it's been doing this maybe once or twice a month for years &
doesn't seem to be getting any worse.


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RE: OT - Large prints

[John Sessoms]

From: 
I wanted to pass on a great source for large prints. I ordered a 3 foot X 2
foot print of one of my Inside Passage images 5 days ago and received it
from Fed Ex this afternoon.

The print was done by Bay Photo Lab - www.bayphoto.com


Took a look at them & didn't see anything I can't get from the three
Prolabs I have access to around here. Looks like they'd be convenient if
I was on the west coast.

One thing I wondered about though ...

They're using Kodak Endura (which I really like), but I wonder what's
going to happen to that with Kodak going out of business? Does anyone
know if Kodak has been able to find a buyer for their professional
papers business?

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Re: PESOs - A Chrysler at Packard

[Paul Stenquist]

Yes, I had to delete them due to some problems regarding copyright. They've 
been published now, so I will repost a couple when I get a chance.

Best,
Paul
On Dec 14, 2012, at 8:43 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:

> Paul,
> 
> According to photo.net, none of those pix exist, or they have been deleted.
> 
> Rick
>  
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Paul Stenquist 
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:56 PM
> Subject: PESOs - A Chrysler at Packard
> 
> Shot a car today at what is left of the Packard Proving 
> grounds in Shelby, Michigan:
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483795
> 
> The car was a 1959 Chrysler Imperial two-seat roadster -- a car that never 
> exacted, save in one man's fantasy. The proving ground venue just happened to 
> be handy and aesthetically a nice match for the car. Here it is in front of 
> the old Packard garage:
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483792&size=lg
> 
> And smoking the hides on the remains of the Packard test track, which was 
> once a 2 1/2- mile oval (if memory serves me). All that remains is a few 
> hundred feet of track and guardrail:
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483794&size=lg
> 
> 
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Re: PESO - Peter Piper...

[Christine Aguila]

That's nice, Marnie.  Very rich color.  Cheers, Christine 



On Dec 14, 2012, at 7:51 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

> Thanks Ken and Jack.
> 
> And, :-P,  Peter.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe ;-)
> 
> In a message dated 12/14/2012 11:20:25  A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
> webstertwenty...@gmail.com writes:
> 
> Funny,  they don't look pickled.
> 
> ---
> In a  message dated 12/14/2012 10:50:07 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
> jdavi...@yahoo.com  writes:
> 
> 
> Alright, how many did Peter Piper pick?
> Like it,  Marnie!
> 
> Jack
> 
> 
> In a  message dated 12/14/2012 10:33:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
> kwal...@peoplepc.com writes:
> 
> Nicely captured.
> 
> Kenneth  Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
> 
> 
>> 
>> Taken at San Francisco's Farmer's Market (on  the pier), in   2011.
>> 
>> http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/peterpiper.html
>> 
>> Comments  welcome.
>> 
>> Marnie aka Doe :-)   
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PESO - Jason, King East (messenger content)

[frank theriault]

A grab of Jason as he heads west along King St. East:

http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2012/12/jason-king-east.html

I like the cars in the shot.

Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

cheers,
frank

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Re: What's wrong with the K-01

[Bob Sullivan]

Anthony,

Sounds like the worst is nearly over.
In the scheme of your whole life, this won't be long.
(I've had both sons go thru testicular cancer, in their early 20's.
The chemo protocol involves trying to kill them, as near as possible.)
Get well soon.

The K-01 doesn't appeal to me.
I've handled the LX recently and it is a jewel.
The extra width and weight of K-01 isn't good.
And I have no use for Industrial Designers.
Put them on the panet with the Marketing people.

Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Anthony Farr  wrote:
> Answering my own message because I'm addressing a raft of issues from
> various correspondents in this thread and reaching back through the
> life of the K-01.  I don't want to single out anyone, it's a
> collective thang.
>
> A Google image search for  "toilet suite" will find a lot of square
> and rectangular toilets.  I've been seeing them (and using them) for
> years now, if people got out more they'd be less amazed by the
> concept.  Or was it an opportunity to infer that Marc Newson is a
> shithouse designer because he designed a toilet?  In fact he designed
> an entire bathroom range, it'd be a serious omission if a toilet suite
> wasn't a part of it.
>
> I think the attitude to the K-01 is one of "Get your stinking paws off
> Pentax, you damn dirty foreign designer".  How many times does it need
> to be said that the form factor and the feature list of the K-01 were
> Pentax's decisions, not Marc Newson's.  Once again, the form factor
> and the feature list of the K-01 were Pentax's decisions, not Marc
> Newson's.  For the hard of hearing I'll repeat it, the form factor and
> the feature list of the K-01 were Pentax's decisions, not Marc
> Newson's.  And for the visually impaired,   T H E   F O R M   F A C T
> O R   A N D   T H E   F E A T U R E   L I S T   O F   T H E   K - 0 1
>  W E R E   P E N T A X ' S   D E C I S I O N S ,   N O T   M A R C   N
> E W S O N ' S  .
>
> Is the K-01 any squarer than an LX?  You'd think it was a cinderblock
> from the gripes I've read.  For the record it's 22.5mm narrower,
> 11.5mm shorter, 8mm thicker and 4g lighter than a gripless LX.  And
> the LX was praised for it's feel in the hand.  And, by the way, the
> next time anyone complains of the K-01's thickness, consider that it
> will do screwdriver AF with any K-AF lens since Pentax made AF lenses.
>  An mount adapter won't give that, the body needed screwdriver AF to
> ensure backwards AF compatibility.  A short mount would only have been
> AF-adaptable to SDM lenses, and AFAIK no-one has ever produced a mount
> adapter with an integrated AF motor.
>
> If Pentax had taken the short mount plus adapter route we'd still be
> hearing the squealing and whining and moaning today, even from people
> who wouldn't buy a K-01 anyway.
>
> There's the rub, the biggest complaints appear to be coming from
> people who were the most unlikely to ever buy one.  OTOH I've read
> some reports from people who bought a K-01 and seem to be OK with
> their choice.
>
> Over the years I've observed that single-lens-reflex purists are the
> most uncompromising group of photographers around, with respect to
> their acceptance of any other type of viewfinder (or no viewfinder).
> For them I suggest a future PUG theme, "No Viewfinders Allowed - A
> Gallery of From-the-Hip and Overhead Shooting".  I'd also suggest that
> enough is enough, we know how you feel about optical frame 'finders
> and wire frame 'finders and live-view-on-the LCD 'finders and no
> 'finders.  Just don't buy them and see if I care.
>
> Finally, pardon my grumpiness.  I have prostate cancer, and last week
> underwent a brachytherapy implant after a year of hormone blockers.  I
> still hurt (a cough or sneeze is unbearable), have no endurance, scant
> tolerance, and I have to carry a sieve and a lead container everywhere
> in case a radioactive pellet gets loose when I pee.  Have a nice day.
>
> regards, Anthony
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Re: OT - Large prints

[Ann Sanfedele]

Bay Photo is what I'm signed up for on Smugmug - and only them... Yeah, 
anything I've gotten from them or anyone else has (of my stuff) has been

delighted with print quality.

ann

On 12/14/2012 20:01, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

I wanted to pass on a great source for large prints. I ordered a 3 foot
X 2 foot print of one of my Inside Passage images 5 days ago and
received it from Fed Ex this afternoon.

The print was done by Bay Photo Lab - www.bayphoto.com

I ordered what they call a 'Thinwrap' which is a frameless way to get
your print all ready for hanging.
The print can be done on several choices of paper, which is then
over-laminated with either a glossy or satin laminate and then mounted
on gatorboard. Half inch thick block spacers are then attached to the
back to provide a floating effect.

Their work was superb, from both the print and mount aspect.

I couldn't be happier with the results.

BTW, the image quality of the print is outstanding! An almost full frame
image from a K20D.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller



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Re: What's wrong with the K-01

[Anthony Farr]

On 15 December 2012 15:12, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> And I have no use for Industrial Designers.
> Put them on the panet with the Marketing people.

And the telephone sanitizers?

I hope your sons are keeping well, chemotherapy is brutal.  Thanks for
your moral support, even small amounts are surprisingly uplifting.
Today has been good.

Thanks for your
regards, Anthony

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Re: Any thoughts on what might cause this?

[Anthony Farr]

Can you remap the windows key operation to a function key?  I don't
even know if that is possible but it sounds reasonable, I think.

regards, Anthony



On 15 December 2012 13:30, John Sessoms  wrote:
>
> Drat.
>
> IBM 101-key click keyboard - no windoze keys. I'll have to look around
> and see if I can scrounge up a spare windows-keyboard. Hate to give up
> my good keyboard. I just love the feel of typing on this thing.
>
> FWIW, it's been doing this maybe once or twice a month for years &
> doesn't seem to be getting any worse.
>
>

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Re: What's wrong with the K-01

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Bob Sullivan :


The K-01 doesn't appeal to me.
I've handled the LX recently and it is a jewel.
The extra width and weight of K-01 isn't good.
And I have no use for Industrial Designers.
Put them on the panet with the Marketing people.



That's pretty much how I feel about the K-01.

The looks don't particularly bother me - in fact, it looks better in  
real life that in photos - and if it had come with a viewfinder, I  
probably would have owned one by now.  The silver lining is that by  
holding off buying I got a K-5 instead...



Cheers

Brian

++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia
http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/


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Re: OT - Large prints

[Tom C]

Thanks Ken. Great information!.

I've used Mpix so far. Overall I'm happy with them. The first 20 x 30
print, matted and framed, looked great when first received but a day
later I detected some ripples. I contacted them and sent them some
images highlighting the issue. They made good on their guarantee, and
sent me a total replacement free of charge, and I got to keep the
original. The issue was only detectable in brighter light, so I can
use the original in my office with relatively flat light and not see
it at all.

Nice to hear comments on Bay.

K20D? ;)

Tom C.

> From: 

> I wanted to pass on a great source for large prints. I ordered a 3 foot X 2
> foot print of one of my Inside Passage images 5 days ago and received it
> from Fed Ex this afternoon.
>
> The print was done by Bay Photo Lab - www.bayphoto.com
>
> I ordered what they call a 'Thinwrap' which is a frameless way to get your
> print all ready for hanging.
> The print can be done on several choices of paper, which is then
> over-laminated with either a glossy or satin laminate and then mounted on
> gatorboard. Half inch thick block spacers are then attached to the back to
> provide a floating effect.
>
> Their work was superb, from both the print and mount aspect.
>
> I couldn't be happier with the results.
>
> BTW, the image quality of the print is outstanding! An almost full frame
> image from a K20D.
>
> Kenneth Waller

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RE: Any thoughts on what might cause this?

[John Coyle]

On keyboards lacking a Windows key, Ctrl+Esc can be used instead.


John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia


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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Anthony Farr
Sent: Saturday, 15 December 2012 3:05 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Any thoughts on what might cause this?

Can you remap the windows key operation to a function key?  I don't even know 
if that is possible
but it sounds reasonable, I think.

regards, Anthony



On 15 December 2012 13:30, John Sessoms  wrote:
>
> Drat.
>
> IBM 101-key click keyboard - no windoze keys. I'll have to look around 
> and see if I can scrounge up a spare windows-keyboard. Hate to give up 
> my good keyboard. I just love the feel of typing on this thing.
>
> FWIW, it's been doing this maybe once or twice a month for years & 
> doesn't seem to be getting any worse.
>
>

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Re: PESOs - A Chrysler at Packard

[Daniel J. Matyola]

What pix?
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> Paul,
>
> According to photo.net, none of those pix exist, or they have been deleted.
>
> Rick
>
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Paul Stenquist 
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> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:56 PM
> Subject: PESOs - A Chrysler at Packard
>
> Shot a car today at what is left of the Packard Proving
> grounds in Shelby, Michigan:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483795
>
> The car was a 1959 Chrysler Imperial two-seat roadster -- a car that never 
> exacted, save in one man's fantasy. The proving ground venue just happened to 
> be handy and aesthetically a nice match for the car. Here it is in front of 
> the old Packard garage:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483792&size=lg
>
> And smoking the hides on the remains of the Packard test track, which was 
> once a 2 1/2- mile oval (if memory serves me). All that remains is a few 
> hundred feet of track and guardrail:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16483794&size=lg
>
>
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Re: Pentax 645D IR

[Tom C]

> From: Matthew Hunt 
>
>> In retrospect it was an emotional expedient exaggeration influenced by
>> a Canadian beverage which shall remain nameless.
>
> You gotta lay off the poutine smoothies.

That's way over my head Matthew. I know it has something to do with
french fries in a blender. :)

I simply had some CC.

Tom C.

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