RE: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

[Malcolm Smith]

Bipin Gupta wrote:

> a) With 400 ASA film I would go down to 1/30 sec and f 2 to capture
> street scenes at night, with excellent translation on print.
> Using TAv mode on the the K20D or the K-5 IIs with the same
> settings the camera would choose 1200 ASA or more.
> I would assume that film is more forgiving. Actually cannot explain
> this. A mystery to me??

Oddly enough, I've always assumed it's me being a lazy photographer. When I
used film it was, say ISO 100, that was what you had to work around. Modern
DSLRs seem to want to pump up the ISO a bit, and I'd never really thought
too much about it, because most modern DSLRs take amazing images even when
you crank the ISO up really high.

Sometimes it's too easy to get out of the tripod exposure zone with a modern
DSLR.

Anyway, I will get to use some low ISO film shortly, and I'm hoping that a
36 exposure roll of film will make me think more about the image I'm
composing. Hopefully, this discipline will be there to transfer back to the
DSLR. Maybe that is what I need to gain from film again, more than anything
else?

Malcolm   


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Re: GESO - Roadtrip USA; Part 2

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Wow!  A fascinating variety of wonderful images, many of them truly iconic.

I think you are the first photographer to capture a clear image of Big Foot.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> G'day all
>
> Here's the gallery of the second half of our western USA adventure - from
> eastern Wyoming across to the Pacific North-west and back down to southern
> California. It includes a few photos taken by my wife and son. As in Part 1,
> there's a map of the route at the start of the gallery.
>
> http://lyons-ryan.org/roadtripUSA2/index.html
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney Australia
> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
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RE: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

[Malcolm Smith]

Mark C wrote:

> If you are going to get back into film then this is probably the time
> to do it.
> 
> I do not see film doing well in the long term. The modest resurgence in
> film types and brands in the past few years is probably just a dead cat
> bounce. Once the market shook out the surviving manufacturers were able
> to retreat a little less, and put some new labels on the market. Some
> facts that do not bode well for film -
> 
> 1. Film prints of movies have declined drastically. This was a huge
> driver of the film market. It is questionable whether consumer demand
> for film can drive the market.
> 2. Very few film cameras are still made. The second hand market will
> support users in the short term, but without cameras that use film, the
> demand for it will die.
> 3. Its doubtful that the market demand will justify building new film
> manufacturing facilities. Many existing facilities are quite old and
> cannot be repaired, Efke abruptly stopped making film when their
> decades old manufacturing facility reached the point where it was not
> operable.
> 4. The price of film now is much higher than in the past, and it will
> continue to increase as demand drops. Higher price = less demand.
> 
> I expect film will survive for a few more decades and that B&W film
> will be last to go, with color transparency being the first to go.
> Eventually, I would expect that hand coated glass plates will be around
> longer than film, simply because hobbyists can make a plate with a
> modest investment but film can only be made in industrial facilities
> that probably will be cost prohibitive to build in the future.
> 
> If the future is one of great prosperity where people have a lot of
> disposable income and the trade in luxury goods is very high - well
> then maybe film will survive.

>From time to time over the years, I've looked at film body prices. I got a
fair price for my camera bodies when they went, but I note that prices are
staying very buoyant. 

Now I have no idea if that is down to an increase in film use, or there is
an increase in film body collection, for people who put them in display
cabinets. Either way, there is still a market for them at reasonable prices.

The film I like is available again, and decent processing is available too.
I don't know if this is down to a short term trend for using film again
(along with fixed geared bikes and beard wax), but as I found a box of old
film camera accessories which I thought I'd long ago sold, it's just a
matter of finding a film body and film of my choice. A small investment
compared with a new DSLR. 

If I find I have missed it, and I like the results and other people do the
same, I suppose it's possible that film may hang on a touch longer.

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RE: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

[Malcolm Smith]

Brian Walters wrote:

> Film was dead for me as soon as I bought my first DSLR (an *ist DS).
> I carried a token film camera around for a few months after, but found
> it never came out of the camera bag.  Occasionally in subsequent years
> I promised myself that I'd spend a day shooting film - I never have.
> Can't really say I regret that...

I regret selling my film camera bodies - well, I should have kept one, but I
didn't see a future use for them and didn't want them sitting on a shelf.
Over the years with film stocks and manufacture declining, I assumed I'd
made the right move, but it was comparing the results of both (film &
digital prints) recently which made me think again. Plus, for whatever
reason, it appears that at this moment, I can get film and quality
processing again.

Malcolm


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35mm film v 35mm DSLR

[Bipin Gupta]

Hello Ken, I found your dissection on film vs digital  an eye opener.
Very wonderfully illustrated.
You will note on concluding that I went with Digital as a technology
of the future.
But a few clarifications may be in order:-
a) With 400 ASA film I would go down to 1/30 sec and f 2 to capture
street scenes at night, with excellent translation on print.
Using TAv mode on the the K20D or the K-5 IIs with the same
settings the camera would choose 1200 ASA or more.
I would assume that film is more forgiving. Actually cannot
explain this. A mystery to me??
b) Yes RAW capture is simply amazing with minimum 8-stops of
manipulation on the K-5 IIs. But such PP in the Film Era was very
 limited, and PP was not on my mind when I raised this point that
"Film was more forgiving producing usable photos with under or
 over exposure.
c) Your point well taken on "Shadow areas held more detail".
f) You will note that great dramatic commercial Movies are still made
on film media. I have nothing much to say on this.
Except that I have stashed away 35 mm and 120 Roll Film in my
Fridge in the hope that one day I will take out my Leica SLR and
the Rolleiflex F 2.8 Planar TLR for some magic.
Thank you Ken for some simulating inputs.
Regards.
Bipin

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Re: GESO - Roadtrip USA; Part 2

[David Mann]

On Feb 9, 2015, at 11:19 am, Brian Walters  wrote:

> G'day all
> 
> Here's the gallery of the second half of our western USA adventure - from 
> eastern Wyoming across to the Pacific North-west and back down to southern 
> California. It includes a few photos taken by my wife and son. As in Part 1, 
> there's a map of the route at the start of the gallery.
> 
> http://lyons-ryan.org/roadtripUSA2/index.html

Very nice.  I especially like the second Upper Terrace photo with the dark 
clouds in the background.

Cheers,
Dave


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Re: PESO: Out Back

[David Mann]

On Feb 9, 2015, at 2:29 pm, Brian Walters  wrote:

> Quoting David Mann :
> 
>> Now we're getting away from civilisation.
>> 
>> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/861/#peso
> 
> 
> That looks familiar. We travelled along the Stuart Highway in 2011 - the 
> highway and the railway line parallel each other for quite a long distance 
> north of Port Augusta.
> 
> If you were photographing out of the left hand side of the train, my guess 
> would have been that you're looking at Lake Dutton (which as a similar hill 
> in the middle of the dry lake).  But that would mean that the distant hills 
> wouldn't be part of the Flinders Ranges.

Yes that would have been the left-hand side, so you may be correct.  I have no 
idea... would have been nice to have GPS in the camera :)

If I'd bothered to update the camera clock through all the timezones I'd have 
been able to estimate from the timestamp.

Cheers,
Dave


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Re: PESO: Kihikihi

[David Mann]

Another colourful fish.  I might have seen these in captivity.

Cheers,
Dave

> On Feb 9, 2015, at 1:04 pm, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> Another from the Maui Ocean center:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17963112&size=lg
> Comments are invited.
> 
> The Kihikihi is commonly seen on Hawaiian reefs, and feeds on sponges
> hidden within the coral.  Elsewhere it is known as the Moorish Idol.
> 
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Re: GESO - Roadtrip USA; Part 2

[Ann Sanfedele]

Been waiting for the sequel... I have a slight pref for part 1, because
even thought I've been to all the places in part two and enjoyed myself,
and your photos tell the tale truthfully, I'd rather look at photos of 
the southwest high-desert...


No that's not right, I mean I'd rather be there :-)

Nicely done stuff!

ann


On 2/8/2015 17:19, Brian Walters wrote:

G'day all

Here's the gallery of the second half of our western USA adventure -
from eastern Wyoming across to the Pacific North-west and back down to
southern California. It includes a few photos taken by my wife and son.
As in Part 1, there's a map of the route at the start of the gallery.

http://lyons-ryan.org/roadtripUSA2/index.html





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Re: PESO: Out Back

[Ann Sanfedele]

like it...

ann

On 2/8/2015 17:49, David Mann wrote:

Now we're getting away from civilisation.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/861/#peso

Cheers,
Dave




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Re: Enablement: Bottom feeder purchases 43mm Limited SILVER (MIJ)

[Darren Addy]

Thanks for the encouragement, P.J. !
Now I just need to bide my time while it crosses the sea from Japan.

There are certainly plenty of drool-worthy example produced with this
lens on PentaxPhotoGallery:
http://pentaxphotogallery.com/photos/gallery/query?camera=&lens=1120
and Flickriver:
http://www.flickriver.com/lenses/pentax/smcpfa43mmf19/


Cue Carly Simon's "Anticipation"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NwP3wes4M8


On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 9:11 PM, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> Mine's got the serial number 3914 and I lost the original front cap
> somewhere about 5 years ago.  I do have the original soft pouch somewhere.
> It makes a nearly perfect longish normalish lens on the K-5II.  I think that
> anyone who doesn't love this lens simply doesn't understand it.
>
>
> On 2/8/2015 10:02 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
>>
>> Friends don't let friend drink New Belgium Trippels and surf eBay.
>> :)
>> I know that this group would gladly push a fellow down the slippery
>> slope, but I just took the plunge and snagged my first "Made in Japan"
>> silver Limited, the 43m f/1.9, serial no. 0003290 with hood and
>> original caps. Good Lord is it beautiful.
>>
>> I had a 35mm macro limited (briefly) but fairly quickly sold it. So
>> this will be my first Silver Limited ever and is in a focal length
>> that fills a gap that is only covered (now) by my Pentax DA 16-45mm
>> zoom. I'm curious to see if it will be a keeper. Given that is is a
>> MIJ early serial no. I don't think I will have any trouble recouping
>> my investment if for some reason I wish to turn it.
>>
>> Most of my "good" AF lenses are Sigma EX (not Pentax) so I'm curious
>> to see how much I fall in love with this lens. The other Limited that
>> would be on my "want list" is the 77mm f1.8.
>>
>> In any event, with the FF Pentax coming, this is probably not a bad
>> time to snag good deals on FA Limiteds.
>>
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Re: Enablement: Bottom feeder purchases 43mm Limited SILVER (MIJ)

[P.J. Alling]

Mine's got the serial number 3914 and I lost the original front cap 
somewhere about 5 years ago.  I do have the original soft pouch 
somewhere.  It makes a nearly perfect longish normalish lens on the 
K-5II.  I think that anyone who doesn't love this lens simply doesn't 
understand it.


On 2/8/2015 10:02 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Friends don't let friend drink New Belgium Trippels and surf eBay.
:)
I know that this group would gladly push a fellow down the slippery
slope, but I just took the plunge and snagged my first "Made in Japan"
silver Limited, the 43m f/1.9, serial no. 0003290 with hood and
original caps. Good Lord is it beautiful.

I had a 35mm macro limited (briefly) but fairly quickly sold it. So
this will be my first Silver Limited ever and is in a focal length
that fills a gap that is only covered (now) by my Pentax DA 16-45mm
zoom. I'm curious to see if it will be a keeper. Given that is is a
MIJ early serial no. I don't think I will have any trouble recouping
my investment if for some reason I wish to turn it.

Most of my "good" AF lenses are Sigma EX (not Pentax) so I'm curious
to see how much I fall in love with this lens. The other Limited that
would be on my "want list" is the 77mm f1.8.

In any event, with the FF Pentax coming, this is probably not a bad
time to snag good deals on FA Limiteds.




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Enablement: Bottom feeder purchases 43mm Limited SILVER (MIJ)

[Darren Addy]

Friends don't let friend drink New Belgium Trippels and surf eBay.
:)
I know that this group would gladly push a fellow down the slippery
slope, but I just took the plunge and snagged my first "Made in Japan"
silver Limited, the 43m f/1.9, serial no. 0003290 with hood and
original caps. Good Lord is it beautiful.

I had a 35mm macro limited (briefly) but fairly quickly sold it. So
this will be my first Silver Limited ever and is in a focal length
that fills a gap that is only covered (now) by my Pentax DA 16-45mm
zoom. I'm curious to see if it will be a keeper. Given that is is a
MIJ early serial no. I don't think I will have any trouble recouping
my investment if for some reason I wish to turn it.

Most of my "good" AF lenses are Sigma EX (not Pentax) so I'm curious
to see how much I fall in love with this lens. The other Limited that
would be on my "want list" is the 77mm f1.8.

In any event, with the FF Pentax coming, this is probably not a bad
time to snag good deals on FA Limiteds.

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Re: Super-resolution through sensor shift (2B at CP)?

[P.J. Alling]

It seems that could be incorporated into the any camera with sensor 
shift technology with a simple firmware upgrade, the processor in the 
K20D might just about choke handling the data, but still it probably 
could be done.


I'm not sure that it makes any difference to me as the limitations are 
quite severe for what is essentially a hand held device.  A good tripod 
long exposures and there would still be tell tale artifacts.


Still it does explain why the new FF body gives off a 6x7 vibe if true.

On 2/8/2015 8:07 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Now THIS is a rumor:
http://goo.gl/eAQjpH






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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[P.J. Alling]

It should there'll be lots of fiber.

On 2/8/2015 6:06 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

This too will pass. Hopefully not too painfully.(OUCH)

Jack

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Subject: Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

On 8/2/15, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:


In other words, certain hat lives to cover a certain head for another day. ..

I agree, Boris. In fact it it's waiting on the plate






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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

[P.J. Alling]

True diehards can build their own film coating machine, (the blueprints 
used to be available on line). It would take a great deal of dedication 
to do but, for black and white film at least, there's nothing that would 
be insurmountable.


On 2/8/2015 6:21 PM, Mark C wrote:
If you are going to get back into film then this is probably the time 
to do it.


I do not see film doing well in the long term. The modest resurgence 
in film types and brands in the past few years is probably just a dead 
cat bounce. Once the market shook out the surviving manufacturers were 
able to retreat a little less, and put some new labels on the market. 
Some facts that do not bode well for film -


1. Film prints of movies have declined drastically. This was a huge 
driver of the film market. It is questionable whether consumer demand 
for film can drive the market.
2. Very few film cameras are still made. The second hand market will 
support users in the short term, but without cameras that use film, 
the demand for it will die.
3. Its doubtful that the market demand will justify building new film 
manufacturing facilities. Many existing facilities are quite old and 
cannot be repaired, Efke abruptly stopped making film when their 
decades old manufacturing facility reached the point where it was not 
operable.
4. The price of film now is much higher than in the past, and it will 
continue to increase as demand drops. Higher price = less demand.


I expect film will survive for a few more decades and that B&W film 
will be last to go, with color transparency being the first to go. 
Eventually, I would expect that hand coated glass plates will be 
around longer than film, simply because hobbyists can make a plate 
with a modest investment but film can only be made in industrial 
facilities that probably will be cost prohibitive to build in the future.


If the future is one of great prosperity where people have a lot of 
disposable income and the trade in luxury goods is very high - well 
then maybe film will survive.


Mark

On 2/8/2015 3:15 PM, Malcolm Smith wrote:

Mark C wrote:

I use a bit of 35mm B&W film - probably about 75 rolls last year.  I
shoot maybe 15 to 20 rolls of color 120 film in either the 6x7 or a 6x6
TLR and a similar number of 120 B&W film. Digital has replaced my 35mm
color work completely (I used to shoot lots of 35mm transparencies).

I don't think that demand for film has increased, at least not on a
long term basis. It seems to me that demand has stabilized and is
declining more slowly than in past years when the demand dropped
drastically. On the supply side, a lot of suppliers have dropped out of
the market and those that remain have reduced their product lines. But,
the surviving manufacturers are facing less competition.

Many for my favorite films of the past - Agfa APX, Neopan 400, Neopan
SS, Plus-X, HIE have been discontinued. While there has been a mild
resurgence in the varieties of film in recent years and some new brands
appearing on the market the selection is still nowhere near where it
was at films peak about 15 years ago.

I enjoy the process of shooting and developing film (B&W) and also
scanning it and applying digital enhancements to scanned negs, which is
slightly different than for digital captures. For certain niches of
photography I think that well handled 120 film in 6x7 format can
produce superior resolution and detail than my DSLR's, but that gap has
gotten very narrow and I expect will disappear with my next DSLR
upgrade.
Ok, film is alive and well, and complementing digital use. Very 
interesting.
The one thing I really miss which digital just doesn't give me the 
pleasure

of, is 35mm transparency film and it will that that I will go for. I
couldn't find any a few years back, but now it is there I would like 
to see
how it compares again with digital  - not just in terms of the end 
result,

but for me I suppose the journey is important.

Malcolm





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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

[steve harley]

On 2015-02-07 7:51 , P.J. Alling wrote:

I didn't know you could still get beard wax.


at a shop around the corner from me in Denver:





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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

[P.J. Alling]

Film was never difficult to get, around here, just the dirt common types 
and the really esoteric are hard to find, used to be just the latter for 
a long time, now you can't find a consumer grade film.  The last films I 
was using regularly was Kodacolor Gold in ASA 400.  It was available for 
about two bucks a roll, and Tri-X, the price was the same.  Now the 
price has doubled, and you can't find the Kodacolor. Other emulsions are 
available, and pretty much always have been.  About the only film I've 
shot in the last five years has been 120 rewound onto 620 spools for my 
Kodak Medalist.  I'm kind of sad that it's become cost prohibitive to 
shoot 120 slides, I understand the images the Medalist produces on 
transparency film are incredible.


By the way if anyone want's to take their Auto 110 our for a spin, I 
found some film for ya.


http://www.amazon.com/Kodak-Kodacolor-Color-Negative-Exposure/dp/B9R7B2

On 2/8/2015 12:57 PM, Malcolm Smith wrote:

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


Oh no, not another "film vs digital" debate. I'll sit this one out.

BTW, I have and shoot with both film and digital cameras. They're much
the same and they're quite different. So are their images.  :-)

A few years ago I looked on line and in magazines to get film when I last had a 
film body and it was very difficult; mostly old stock and/or short dated film.

I looked today, and it was like looking ten years ago. Plentiful supplies, even 
E6 long dated fresh supplies.

Something has changed and I guess it must be demand for it. Are there more of 
you who still use film out there?

Malcolm







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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

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On 2015-02-08 16:21 , Mark C wrote:


1. Film prints of movies have declined drastically. This was a huge driver
of the film market.


worth noting:




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Re: GESO - Roadtrip USA; Part 2

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Jack Davis :


Terrific, Brian. Loved it!



Thanks, Jack.  We loved the trip, too!!


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Subject: GESO - Roadtrip USA; Part 2

G'day all

Here's the gallery of the second half of our western USA adventure -
from eastern Wyoming across to the Pacific North-west and back down to
southern California. It includes a few photos taken by my wife and
son. As in Part 1, there's a map of the route at the start of the
gallery.

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Re: GESO - Roadtrip USA; Part 2

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Quoting Ken Waller :

Excellent collection of images, many standouts - my favorite is  
'Light Load' - the progression of the train and rails into the  
horizon in contrast to the natural landscape in the background -  
good eye !



Thanks, Ken.  That location had been scoped out in advance by my son  
Chris, who is a keen railway photographer. I'd never have found it -  
it was about 3km off Highway 59.



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- Original Message - From: "Brian Walters" 
Subject: GESO - Roadtrip USA; Part 2



G'day all

Here's the gallery of the second half of our western USA adventure  
-  from eastern Wyoming across to the Pacific North-west and back  
down to southern California. It includes a few photos taken by my  
wife and  son. As in Part 1, there's a map of the route at the  
start of the  gallery.


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Re: Super-resolution through sensor shift (2B at CP)?

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It sounds like an update of what one Hasselblad medium format camera
does using multiple exposures, shifting the sensor around after each
one.

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Re: Super-resolution through sensor shift (2B at CP)?

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Darren Addy :


Now THIS is a rumor:
http://goo.gl/eAQjpH



Founds feasible given that the just released Olympus E-M5 II has  
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Re: PESO: Out Back

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Now we're getting away from civilisation.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/861/#peso



That looks familiar. We travelled along the Stuart Highway in 2011 -  
the highway and the railway line parallel each other for quite a long  
distance north of Port Augusta.


If you were photographing out of the left hand side of the train, my  
guess would have been that you're looking at Lake Dutton (which as a  
similar hill in the middle of the dry lake).  But that would mean that  
the distant hills wouldn't be part of the Flinders Ranges.



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PESO: Kihikihi

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Another from the Maui Ocean center:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17963112&size=lg
Comments are invited.

The Kihikihi is commonly seen on Hawaiian reefs, and feeds on sponges
hidden within the coral.  Elsewhere it is known as the Moorish Idol.

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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

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Pt - Cotty - bake a cake, put it on your head, take if off and 
enjoy! Make a video and prove it to the world.


On 2/8/2015 5:49 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 8/2/15, CollinB, discombobulated, unleashed:


This is, after all, a forthcoming Ricoh body.  Pentax is not a company.
It is merely a trademark.

Hmmm - the legal ramifications re a 'FF Pentax DSLR' could rumble on
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Re: PESO: Humuhumunukunukuāpuaʻa

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Thanks, Mark.
In Hawaiian, as in J,apanese, every letter, especially every vowel, is
pronounced, and generally in the same manner, so if you can say it you
can usually spell it and vice-versa.

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> That's some name - spelling bees in Hawaii must be something else. Nice
> photo of a beautiful fish.
>
>
> On 2/7/2015 2:15 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
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>> No trip to Maui is complete with out an image of the state fiss of Hawaii:
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17962185&size=lg
>> Comments are invited
>>
>> The name means" trigger fish with a nose like a pig."
>>   Not to be confused with the Lauwiliwilinukunukuoioi, the needle-nosed
>> butterfly fish, or "crazy fish with long long nose."
>>
>> Dan Matyola
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Re: PESO: Humuhumunukunukuāpuaʻa

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That's some name - spelling bees in Hawaii must be something else. Nice 
photo of a beautiful fish.


On 2/7/2015 2:15 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

No trip to Maui is complete with out an image of the state fiss of Hawaii:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17962185&size=lg
Comments are invited

The name means" trigger fish with a nose like a pig."
  Not to be confused with the Lauwiliwilinukunukuoioi, the needle-nosed
butterfly fish, or "crazy fish with long long nose."

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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

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If you are going to get back into film then this is probably the time to 
do it.


I do not see film doing well in the long term. The modest resurgence in 
film types and brands in the past few years is probably just a dead cat 
bounce. Once the market shook out the surviving manufacturers were able 
to retreat a little less, and put some new labels on the market. Some 
facts that do not bode well for film -


1. Film prints of movies have declined drastically. This was a huge 
driver of the film market. It is questionable whether consumer demand 
for film can drive the market.
2. Very few film cameras are still made. The second hand market will 
support users in the short term, but without cameras that use film, the 
demand for it will die.
3. Its doubtful that the market demand will justify building new film 
manufacturing facilities. Many existing facilities are quite old and 
cannot be repaired, Efke abruptly stopped making film when their decades 
old manufacturing facility reached the point where it was not operable.
4. The price of film now is much higher than in the past, and it will 
continue to increase as demand drops. Higher price = less demand.


I expect film will survive for a few more decades and that B&W film will 
be last to go, with color transparency being the first to go. 
Eventually, I would expect that hand coated glass plates will be around 
longer than film, simply because hobbyists can make a plate with a 
modest investment but film can only be made in industrial facilities 
that probably will be cost prohibitive to build in the future.


If the future is one of great prosperity where people have a lot of 
disposable income and the trade in luxury goods is very high - well then 
maybe film will survive.


Mark

On 2/8/2015 3:15 PM, Malcolm Smith wrote:

Mark C wrote:
  

I use a bit of 35mm B&W film - probably about 75 rolls last year.  I
shoot maybe 15 to 20 rolls of color 120 film in either the 6x7 or a 6x6
TLR and a similar number of 120 B&W film. Digital has replaced my 35mm
color work completely (I used to shoot lots of 35mm transparencies).

I don't think that demand for film has increased, at least not on a
long term basis. It seems to me that demand has stabilized and is
declining more slowly than in past years when the demand dropped
drastically. On the supply side, a lot of suppliers have dropped out of
the market and those that remain have reduced their product lines. But,
the surviving manufacturers are facing less competition.

Many for my favorite films of the past - Agfa APX, Neopan 400, Neopan
SS, Plus-X, HIE have been discontinued. While there has been a mild
resurgence in the varieties of film in recent years and some new brands
appearing on the market the selection is still nowhere near where it
was at films peak about 15 years ago.

I enjoy the process of shooting and developing film (B&W) and also
scanning it and applying digital enhancements to scanned negs, which is
slightly different than for digital captures. For certain niches of
photography I think that well handled 120 film in 6x7 format can
produce superior resolution and detail than my DSLR's, but that gap has
gotten very narrow and I expect will disappear with my next DSLR
upgrade.

Ok, film is alive and well, and complementing digital use. Very interesting.
The one thing I really miss which digital just doesn't give me the pleasure
of, is 35mm transparency film and it will that that I will go for. I
couldn't find any a few years back, but now it is there I would like to see
how it compares again with digital  - not just in terms of the end result,
but for me I suppose the journey is important.

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Re: GESO - Roadtrip USA; Part 2

[Ken Waller]

Excellent collection of images, many standouts - my favorite is 'Light 
Load' - the progression of the train and rails into the horizon in contrast 
to the natural landscape in the background - good eye !


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- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Walters" 

Subject: GESO - Roadtrip USA; Part 2



G'day all

Here's the gallery of the second half of our western USA adventure -  from 
eastern Wyoming across to the Pacific North-west and back down to 
southern California. It includes a few photos taken by my wife and  son. 
As in Part 1, there's a map of the route at the start of the  gallery.


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Re: Full-Framer Coming

[Steve Cottrell]

>>What type of whine shall we suggest for Cotty?
>
>Coates du Moan.

Ahh, that's for a chilly winter evening when the heating is broken

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Re: Full-Framer Coming

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On 8/2/15, Ken Waller, discombobulated, unleashed:

>What type of whine shall we suggest for Cotty?

Coates du Moan.

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Re: Full-Framer Coming

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On 8/2/15, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Mmm. Tasty treat! What sauce do you think will go well? :-)

Herringbone sauce.

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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[Jack Davis]

This too will pass. Hopefully not too painfully.(OUCH)

Jack

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Subject: Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

On 8/2/15, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:

>In other words, certain hat lives to cover a certain head for another day. ..

I agree, Boris. In fact it it's waiting on the plate



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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

[Ken Waller]

I was exclusively a slide film shooter, if I wanted to shoot slides, I'd 
need to find someplace to do it - and not just some 24hr. quick lab - all my 
sources for quality slide processing have gone.


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From: "Brian Walters" 

Subject: Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR



Quoting Malcolm Smith :


Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


Oh no, not another "film vs digital" debate. I'll sit this one out.

BTW, I have and shoot with both film and digital cameras. They're much
the same and they're quite different. So are their images.  :-)


A few years ago I looked on line and in magazines to get film when I 
last had a film body and it was very difficult; mostly old stock  and/or 
short dated film.


I looked today, and it was like looking ten years ago. Plentiful 
supplies, even E6 long dated fresh supplies.


Something has changed and I guess it must be demand for it. Are  there 
more of you who still use film out there?





Film was dead for me as soon as I bought my first DSLR (an *ist DS).   I 
carried a token film camera around for a few months after, but found  it 
never came out of the camera bag.  Occasionally in subsequent years  I 
promised myself that I'd spend a day shooting film - I never have.  Can't 
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Re: GESO - Roadtrip USA; Part 2

[Jack Davis]

Terrific, Brian. Loved it!

Jack

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Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 2:19:32 PM
Subject: GESO - Roadtrip USA; Part 2

G'day all

Here's the gallery of the second half of our western USA adventure -  
from eastern Wyoming across to the Pacific North-west and back down to  
southern California. It includes a few photos taken by my wife and  
son. As in Part 1, there's a map of the route at the start of the  
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Re: Full-Framer Coming

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On 8/2/15, George Sinos, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Ricoh is making a full frame camera with Pentax brand name stamped on it.

Hmmm, so Pentax is the brand. Just because it's not made by a company
called Pentax, doesn't mean it's not a Pentax, if you'll forgive the
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Re: Full-Framer Coming

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On 8/2/15, Darren Addy, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I was not around to hear the original statement or conditions thereof,
>but I wish I was Cotty because it would be very easy to turn this into
>a viral fundraiser that would PAY for most, if not all, of Cotty's
>copy of the fullframe Pentax. All that needs to be done is to tell the
>story (on a web page and YouTube video and link to a donation button
>for those wishing to see Cotty eating a hat). This could easily go
>"viral" in the Pentax community, if not beyond. It would only take
>$3000 people contributing $1 to raise more than enough for the body. I
>can see a line of baseball caps and t-shirts growing from this
>potentially, as well.
>
>I also have some ideas for the easy consumption of said hat.

I'm happy to give you and audience Darren.

As for actually buying a FF Pentax, that remains to be seen.

I think I definitely will consider one - need more detail first of
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Re: Full-Framer Coming

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On 8/2/15, Zos Xavius, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I think its time to eat the hat!

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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

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On 8/2/15, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

>No way. He must be forced to eat the entire millinery department of
>Bloomingdales, Harrods and Galeries Lafayette one after the other and
>not allowed so much as a drop of Earl Grey in between. Let him eat titfer!

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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

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On 8/2/15, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:

>In other words, certain hat lives to cover a certain head for another day. ..

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PESO: Out Back

[David Mann]

Now we're getting away from civilisation.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/861/#peso

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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

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On 8/2/15, CollinB, discombobulated, unleashed:

>This is, after all, a forthcoming Ricoh body.  Pentax is not a company. 
>It is merely a trademark.

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PESO: Wind Farm

[David Mann]

Now we're on The Ghan.  We passed a distant wind farm somewhere north of 
Adelaide.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/860/#peso

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GESO - Roadtrip USA; Part 2

[Brian Walters]

G'day all

Here's the gallery of the second half of our western USA adventure -  
from eastern Wyoming across to the Pacific North-west and back down to  
southern California. It includes a few photos taken by my wife and  
son. As in Part 1, there's a map of the route at the start of the  
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Another movie recommendation: Mr. Turner

[Mark Roberts]

Another film you should get out and see. Mr. Turner is pretty amazing.
Stupendous acting performances, but for photographers the highlight is
the cinematography. They'd originally planned to shoot on film rather
than digital but ended up not having the budget (which is a topic unto
itself). What they ended up doing is shooting on digital but with very
old 'out of date' lenses. The result is magnificent.

In the movie itself it's astonishing to see some of Turner's most
famous paintings depicted in 'real life', so to speak. I even
recognized a couple from the Turner exhibit I wen to at the National
Maritime Museum in Greenwich last year. 
 
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Re: GESO - Roadtrip USA

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Christine Aguila :

That’s a really superb gallery, Brian!  You are the scenic & light  
master!  I had a look-see at your web site and thought it very nice,  
especially the links to other photographers, resources etc.  Nice  
touch there—and of course the photography was great from gallery to  
gallery!


I do have a question:  what software/app did you use to do the map  
of your U.S. route (first frame)?  That’s a very nice trip map—I  
need a good app to make similar trip routes.



Thanks for the kind comments, Christine.  Part 2 will be up almost  
immediately.  Thanks also for the comment on the web site - I did that  
just for fun, but I should update it.


The map wasn't my doing.  That's my son's (Chris) work.  He was a  
cartographer in a former career and I suspect he used some speciaised  
software.  I'll ask him.



Cheers

Brian

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On Jan 28, 2015, at 4:44 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:

G'day all

It's now over 18 months since my family and I brought our  
Australian accents to the western USA and, while I haven't exactly  
ignored the photos I took, it's taken until now to put them into a  
gallery.


This is not a 'best of' gallery - it's more of a travelogue, so  
there will be some (lots?) of images that are not going to win any  
prizes. There are quite a few images - 75 in total - and this is  
only Part 1! Of course, you don't have to look at all (or any) of  
them, but I thought some of you might be interested to see where we  
went and what we saw.  There's a map of the route at the start of  
the gallery.


Part 1 covers Los Angeles to northern Colorado via Nevada, Arizona,  
Utah (briefly) and New Mexico.


http://lyons-ryan.org/roadtripUSA/index.html






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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Boris Liberman :

I don't see any cameras being now offered for sale.  Nor do i think  
that time passed does not nullify Cotty's promise...


In other words, certain hat lives to cover a certain head for another day. ..



Yes - but the days are getting fewer.


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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Malcolm Smith :


Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


Oh no, not another "film vs digital" debate. I'll sit this one out.

BTW, I have and shoot with both film and digital cameras. They're much
the same and they're quite different. So are their images.  :-)


A few years ago I looked on line and in magazines to get film when I  
last had a film body and it was very difficult; mostly old stock  
and/or short dated film.


I looked today, and it was like looking ten years ago. Plentiful  
supplies, even E6 long dated fresh supplies.


Something has changed and I guess it must be demand for it. Are  
there more of you who still use film out there?





Film was dead for me as soon as I bought my first DSLR (an *ist DS).   
I carried a token film camera around for a few months after, but found  
it never came out of the camera bag.  Occasionally in subsequent years  
I promised myself that I'd spend a day shooting film - I never have.  
Can't really say I regret that...



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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

[Paul Stenquist]

I use a bit of film, probably about one roll a year. Usually in my Barnack 
Leica, but I shot a roll in my dad’s old Agfa folder as well. I still process 
my own BW film when I shot it. Always have. I gave away my enlargers, so I only 
scan and print digitally. 

Paul
> On Feb 8, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> 
> I use a bit of 35mm B&W film - probably about 75 rolls last year.  I shoot 
> maybe 15 to 20 rolls of color 120 film in either the 6x7 or a 6x6 TLR and a 
> similar number of 120 B&W film. Digital has replaced my 35mm color work 
> completely (I used to shoot lots of 35mm transparencies).
> 
> I don't think that demand for film has increased, at least not on a long term 
> basis. It seems to me that demand has stabilized and is declining more slowly 
> than in past years when the demand dropped drastically. On the supply side, a 
> lot of suppliers have dropped out of the market and those that remain have 
> reduced their product lines. But, the surviving manufacturers are facing less 
> competition.
> 
> Many for my favorite films of the past - Agfa APX, Neopan 400, Neopan SS, 
> Plus-X, HIE have been discontinued. While there has been a mild resurgence in 
> the varieties of film in recent years and some new brands appearing on the 
> market the selection is still nowhere near where it was at films peak about 
> 15 years ago.
> 
> I enjoy the process of shooting and developing film (B&W) and also scanning 
> it and applying digital enhancements to scanned negs, which is slightly 
> different than for digital captures. For certain niches of photography I 
> think that well handled 120 film in 6x7 format can produce superior 
> resolution and detail than my DSLR's, but that gap has gotten very narrow and 
> I expect will disappear with my next DSLR upgrade.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On 2/8/2015 12:57 PM, Malcolm Smith wrote:
>> A few years ago I looked on line and in magazines to get film when I last 
>> had a film body and it was very difficult; mostly old stock and/or short 
>> dated film.
>> 
>> I looked today, and it was like looking ten years ago. Plentiful supplies, 
>> even E6 long dated fresh supplies.
>> 
>> Something has changed and I guess it must be demand for it. Are there more 
>> of you who still use film out there?
>> 
>> Malcolm
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Feb 8, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>> f) Since I never made prints larger than 10 x 8 inches I can't say much on 
>> this. But remember blowing up >projections from slide films on the wall with 
>> amazing clarity.
> I've never seen a side by side comparison of a projected slide vs a digital 
> projection of the same image, but the digital projections I've seen on 
> quality projectors leaves nothing to be desired IMO

The last SF Photo Meet I attended had a mixed presentation of film and digital 
projection. Top of the line Leitz Pradovit slide projector, a midrange Epson 
digital projector. 

There was absolutely no comparison: anything projected with the Epson blew away 
the image quality of the slides completely. As a matter of fact, the quality 
was so much better that they decided that in the future, all images submitted 
for the Meets would have to be submitted as digital images. 

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Re: Full-Framer Coming

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Feb 8, 2015, at 11:36 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> I was tempted to load my M3 with Tri-X for my day trip to Paris a few weeks 
> ago, but when I thought through the hassle of developing and scanning and 
> filing the negs and the CD i thought again.

I keep the M4-2 loaded and ready to shoot with XP2 Super. Makes it easy because 
I can get the processing done pretty much anywhere. Scanning is a bit easier 
too since I can use IR dust and scratch removal that way. 

I've got to load up the Nikon F (the one I got from Charles Robinson, now 
completely overhauled and singing with a 50/1.2 fitted)...

G
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RE: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

[Malcolm Smith]

Mark C wrote:
 
> I use a bit of 35mm B&W film - probably about 75 rolls last year.  I
> shoot maybe 15 to 20 rolls of color 120 film in either the 6x7 or a 6x6
> TLR and a similar number of 120 B&W film. Digital has replaced my 35mm
> color work completely (I used to shoot lots of 35mm transparencies).
> 
> I don't think that demand for film has increased, at least not on a
> long term basis. It seems to me that demand has stabilized and is
> declining more slowly than in past years when the demand dropped
> drastically. On the supply side, a lot of suppliers have dropped out of
> the market and those that remain have reduced their product lines. But,
> the surviving manufacturers are facing less competition.
> 
> Many for my favorite films of the past - Agfa APX, Neopan 400, Neopan
> SS, Plus-X, HIE have been discontinued. While there has been a mild
> resurgence in the varieties of film in recent years and some new brands
> appearing on the market the selection is still nowhere near where it
> was at films peak about 15 years ago.
> 
> I enjoy the process of shooting and developing film (B&W) and also
> scanning it and applying digital enhancements to scanned negs, which is
> slightly different than for digital captures. For certain niches of
> photography I think that well handled 120 film in 6x7 format can
> produce superior resolution and detail than my DSLR's, but that gap has
> gotten very narrow and I expect will disappear with my next DSLR
> upgrade.

Ok, film is alive and well, and complementing digital use. Very interesting.
The one thing I really miss which digital just doesn't give me the pleasure
of, is 35mm transparency film and it will that that I will go for. I
couldn't find any a few years back, but now it is there I would like to see
how it compares again with digital  - not just in terms of the end result,
but for me I suppose the journey is important.

Malcolm 


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RE: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

[Malcolm Smith]

Ken Waller wrote:
 
> I haven't shot film in over 10 years and don't intend to but I'm glad
> to hear that some people are - great.
> I'm more interested in the end result rather than the means to get
> there.

Fair comment. Very interested with your other reply about your DSLR use,
which shows a different point of view.

Malcolm


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Re: Full-Framer Coming

[Ken Waller]

What type of whine shall we suggest for Cotty?

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- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" 

Subject: Re: Full-Framer Coming



On Feb 8, 2015, at 2:44 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

On 8/2/15, james, discombobulated, unleashed:


Wasn't there someone named COTTY.
Wasn't there something about a HAT.
Wasn't there something about pentax FF.
Wasn't there something about eating of HAT re FF?


Still waiting




Mmm. Tasty treat! What sauce do you think will go well? :-)

Mind you, at the last London gathering of the PDMLers I attended (April 
2013), there were more Fuji, Ricoh, Canon, and Leica cameras than Pentax. 
I seem to recall BobW had the sole token Pentax in his bag, but didn't 
load any film...


G



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Re: OT: You *MUST* see "Ida"

[Ken Waller]

Caught it on Netflix yesterday - photographically, probably the best recent 
B+W film I've seen.


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Zos Xavius" 

Subject: Re: OT: You *MUST* see "Ida"



Its worth watching just for the cinematography alone! Every shot is a
well composed frame.

On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Christine Aguila  
wrote:

Thanks for the reminder!  Cheers, Christine



On Feb 6, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:

Just wanted to resurrect this thread for those who have not yet seen
it. See this thread for more info and reasons that I consider it a
"must see" for all photographers.
http://www.metafilter.com/146814/Ida-Film-nominated-for-two-Oscars-draws-praise-and-controversy

It is currently on Netflix, for those subscribers in the U.S. who
would like to see it on the small screen.

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:55 PM, John Coyle  wrote:
My wife and I saw it in Brisbane in October - a very, very good film. 
The cinematography was

top-notch too.
The best b&w movie I've seen in recent years was "The Artist": each 
shot seemed to have a  perfect

range of tones.


John in Brisbane



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Subject: Re: OT: You *MUST* see "Ida"

You get a taste of the photography and composition I'm going ga-ga over 
from the 2 minute trailer:

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/ida/
or
http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2411703577


On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:04 AM, Darren Addy  
wrote:



On Tuesday, December 16, 2014, Bob W-PDML  
wrote:


I haven't seen it yet, but it's had rave reviews from all the people
in my French cinema class. Of course for some people that may not be
a recommendation...

B


Heh. You may be right there, Bob. It is a product of Poland, not 
France.

People allergic to subtitles will hate it for that reason alone. It's
main characters are a young woman (about to take her vows in a
convent) and her aunt. So, for that reason, some might dismiss it as
a "chick flick". (I object to that entire premise). It may not appeal
to your tastes as there are no explosions, car chases, or gun fights.
But WOW do you have to see it, if only to hit "Pause" repeatedly to
study the superb "photographs" that make up nearly each and every 
scene (and even cut).




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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

[Mark C]

I use a bit of 35mm B&W film - probably about 75 rolls last year.  I 
shoot maybe 15 to 20 rolls of color 120 film in either the 6x7 or a 6x6 
TLR and a similar number of 120 B&W film. Digital has replaced my 35mm 
color work completely (I used to shoot lots of 35mm transparencies).


I don't think that demand for film has increased, at least not on a long 
term basis. It seems to me that demand has stabilized and is declining 
more slowly than in past years when the demand dropped drastically. On 
the supply side, a lot of suppliers have dropped out of the market and 
those that remain have reduced their product lines. But, the surviving 
manufacturers are facing less competition.


Many for my favorite films of the past - Agfa APX, Neopan 400, Neopan 
SS, Plus-X, HIE have been discontinued. While there has been a mild 
resurgence in the varieties of film in recent years and some new brands 
appearing on the market the selection is still nowhere near where it was 
at films peak about 15 years ago.


I enjoy the process of shooting and developing film (B&W) and also 
scanning it and applying digital enhancements to scanned negs, which is 
slightly different than for digital captures. For certain niches of 
photography I think that well handled 120 film in 6x7 format can produce 
superior resolution and detail than my DSLR's, but that gap has gotten 
very narrow and I expect will disappear with my next DSLR upgrade.


Mark

On 2/8/2015 12:57 PM, Malcolm Smith wrote:

A few years ago I looked on line and in magazines to get film when I last had a 
film body and it was very difficult; mostly old stock and/or short dated film.

I looked today, and it was like looking ten years ago. Plentiful supplies, even 
E6 long dated fresh supplies.

Something has changed and I guess it must be demand for it. Are there more of 
you who still use film out there?

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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

[Ken Waller]

I haven't shot film in over 10 years and don't intend to but I'm glad to 
hear that some people are - great.

I'm more interested in the end result rather than the means to get there.


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Malcolm Smith" 

Subject: RE: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR



Thanks for all the replies.

It's been a very interesting time for me recently, looking through the
slides I took in pre-*ist D days. That came out in 2003 (I think), and 
from
the article on digital v film in 2008, we had at that stage reached the 
same
'quality of image' as film. So 7 years on in 2015, everyone should 
consider

that film is of the past in every respect.

Not one of you said so.

I also have looked at images taken and enlarged made with DSLRs built 
before

2010 and been mightily impressed. That, in great part is down to the
photographer of course, regardless of media.

Now for me, digital photography means I get to take the pictures as I 
always
did, but now get I do the darkroom bit as well without the inconvenience 
of

having lots of chemicals, equipment and a dark room. It also means I can
deal with exposure issues - but those who shot film and developed it
themselves could deal with that too.

I see cameras being launched with larger and larger sensors, to record
greater and greater detail, which therefore entails the use of better and
newer lenses to capture this greater detail, and it seems an arms race to
nowhere, as they still aren't 'better' than enlargements made from film 
shot

with 30 year old glass. I just have this nagging feeling that I'm being
pushed to buy products which fill a need that doesn't exist.

Now for many people, especially professional photographers, digital
(DSLR/'Phone/CSC/whatever) is a way of taking the images and instantly
passing them on to press/Twitter/Facebook etc and immediate publication 
has

become part of society's expectation of this technology. As a hobbyist
photographer, I can't help thinking that the K3 is - in real terms - as 
good

as I need it to get digital image quality at this price point, with the
lenses I have (or are currently) available.

I don't feel film is in anyway dead, 12 years after the launch of a Pentax
digital camera, and if anything, I'm more tempted to find where I can buy
film and get a film body rather than join the digital arms race. The new 
FF

camera is an LX.

Is more really better? Hmm.

Malcolm (Heretic)



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Re: PESO - Pond Hockey

[Ken Waller]

Nice to have you back.


Agreed.

Interestingly, on a lake just west of me, they're holding an annual Pond 
Hockey tournament. The organizers cleared spots for 19 hocker rinks, with 
teams from the midwest attending , resulting in a weekend championship.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W-PDML" 

Subject: Re: PESO - Pond Hockey



Nice to have you back. And an enjoyable photo too, kind of outside time.

If it's any consolation I haven't been taking pictures recently either - 
too much other stuff going on.


B




On 8 Feb 2015, at 00:30, knarf  wrote:

Back after a long hiatus. I am in the middle of my longest and deepest 
photographic drought ever.


I still carry my camera with me everywhere. I just don't see anything 
worth taking a picture of. Just not inspired I guess.


But a couple of weekends ago I walked down by the lake. It's been cold 
this winter but I was still surprised to see two brothers playing shinny 
on a frozen pond. I didn't think kids did this anymore - hockey's 
organized now, and played indoors on artificial ice - but I'm glad they 
still do:


http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/02/pond-hockey.html?m=1

Reminds me of my childhood.

Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

Cheers,
frank
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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

[Ken Waller]

Which produces better photos and print quality, 35 mm film cameras or
35 mm DSLR cameras?


I believe DSLR's produce better photos & print quality for the simple reason 
you know on site, via the histogram, whether you have obtained the optimum 
exposure for a given situation - no more waiting till after development of 
the film to find out if you got it right. No such mechanism exists for film.


a)...With the K-5 IIs I find that on TAv mode the camera selects 1200 ASA 
or more.

Then maybe you should be using selecting the ASA yourself.

b) Film was more forgiving producing usable photos with under or over 
exposure.

Really ? I find with RAW capture this isn't an issue.


c) Shadow areas held more detail.
I've taken prints from film, captured the image digitally and was able to 
get more detail than was on the print - admittedly I didn't personally 
process the film.


f) Since I never made prints larger than 10 x 8 inches I can't say much on 
this. But remember blowing up >projections from slide films on the wall 
with amazing clarity.
I've never seen a side by side comparison of a projected slide vs a digital 
projection of the same image, but the digital projections I've seen on 
quality projectors leaves nothing to be desired IMO.








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- Original Message - 
From: "Bipin Gupta" 

Subject: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR



Which produces better photos and print quality, 35 mm film cameras or
35 mm DSLR cameras? An intriguing question Malcom Sir.
I know some old farts say that the vinyl record produces better music
than the CD.

I have observed the following:
a) I could take street shots at night fairly well with 400 ASA color
film with the ME Super hand held. With the K-5 IIs I find that on TAv
mode the camera selects 1200 ASA or more.
b) Film was more forgiving producing usable photos with under or over 
exposure.

c) Shadow areas held more detail.
d) There was that magic pop to color even though slightly muted on film 
cameras.

f) Since I never made prints larger than 10 x 8 inches I can't say
much on this. But remember blowing up projections from slide films on
the wall with amazing clarity. I used a Leica SLR then.

Alas I went with technology and find DSLRs are getting better and
better. Let's hope Ricoh - Pentax gives us a great Full Frame DSLR.
Regards.
Bipin



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Re: Full-Framer Coming

[Bob W-PDML]

On 8 Feb 2015, at 17:31, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

>> On Feb 8, 2015, at 2:44 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>> 
>> On 8/2/15, james, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>> Wasn't there someone named COTTY.
>>> Wasn't there something about a HAT.
>>> Wasn't there something about pentax FF.
>>> Wasn't there something about eating of HAT re FF?
>> 
>> Still waiting
>> 
>> 
> 
> Mmm. Tasty treat! What sauce do you think will go well? :-)
> 
> Mind you, at the last London gathering of the PDMLers I attended (April 
> 2013), there were more Fuji, Ricoh, Canon, and Leica cameras than Pentax. I 
> seem to recall BobW had the sole token Pentax in his bag, but didn't load any 
> film...
> 

I never inhaled either.

I was tempted to load my M3 with Tri-X for my day trip to Paris a few weeks 
ago, but when I thought through the hassle of developing and scanning and 
filing the negs and the CD i thought again.

B
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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[Bob W-PDML]

No way. He must be forced to eat the entire millinery department of 
Bloomingdales, Harrods and Galeries Lafayette one after the other and not 
allowed so much as a drop of Earl Grey in between. Let him eat titfer!

B



> On 8 Feb 2015, at 17:10, CollinB  wrote:
> 
> This is, after all, a forthcoming Ricoh body.  Pentax is not a company.  It 
> is merely a trademark.
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Re: PESO: Old Farm Buildings

[Jack Davis]

Guess  I'll accept that excuse this time, Dave. :)

Jack

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> On Feb 8, 2015, at 10:47 AM, David Mann  wrote:
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> Sorry I wasn't able to, that was taken while going past on a train.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2015, at 2:50 am, Jack Davis  wrote:
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>> ...my kind of target, Dave!
>> Can you get any closer? I suggest
>> You trespass if necessary.  8/
>> 
>> Jack
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Feb 7, 2015, at 9:29 PM, David Mann  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is the last one from the Melbourne-to-Adelaide leg of our trip.
>>> 
>>> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/859/#peso
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
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Re: PESO: Old Farm Buildings

[David Mann]

Sorry I wasn't able to, that was taken while going past on a train.

Cheers,
Dave

> On Feb 9, 2015, at 2:50 am, Jack Davis  wrote:
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> ...my kind of target, Dave!
> Can you get any closer? I suggest
> You trespass if necessary.  8/
> 
> Jack
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> 
>> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/859/#peso
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Re: Full-Framer Coming

[Ken Waller]

So this list would have become the Really Dumb Mailing List!


-Original Message-
>From: Darren Addy Subject: Re: Full-Framer Coming
>
>George,
>I hate to disagree with a fellow Nebraskan, but if we are going to
>take that position then we should have changed the name of the PDML.
>Pentax has only been a "brand" for a very long time and Ricoh is only
>the most recent overlord (though I might suggest they are being a most
>benevolent one).
>:)
>
>On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 10:29 AM, George Sinos  wrote:
>> Well - This is probably nit-picking, but I would say Cotty's
>> prediction was correct.
>>
>> Pentax isn't making a full-frame camera.  They never did and they no
>> longer exist, so they never will.
>>
>> Ricoh is making a full frame camera with Pentax brand name stamped on it.
>>
>> gs
>> George Sinos
>> 
>> www.GeorgesPhotos.net
>> www.GeorgeSinos.com
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>>> I was not around to hear the original statement or conditions thereof,
>>> but I wish I was Cotty because it would be very easy to turn this into
>>> a viral fundraiser that would PAY for most, if not all, of Cotty's
>>> copy of the fullframe Pentax. All that needs to be done is to tell the
>>> story (on a web page and YouTube video and link to a donation button
>>> for those wishing to see Cotty eating a hat). This could easily go
>>> "viral" in the Pentax community, if not beyond. It would only take
>>> $3000 people contributing $1 to raise more than enough for the body. I
>>> can see a line of baseball caps and t-shirts growing from this
>>> potentially, as well.
>>>
>>> I also have some ideas for the easy consumption of said hat.
>>> :)
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
 I think its time to eat the hat!

 On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 8/2/15, james, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Wasn't there someone named COTTY.
>>Wasn't there something about a HAT.
>>Wasn't there something about pentax FF.
>>Wasn't there something about eating of HAT re FF?
>
> Still waiting
>
> 
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Re: HumuhumunukunukuÄ puaÊ»a

[Ken Waller]

Is it a fiss-your talking about?


-Original Message-
>From: Chris Mitchell 
>Subject: Re: HumuhumunukunukuÄ puaÊ»a
>
>On 8 February 2015 at 04:29, Ken Waller  wrote:
>> Well captured image of a very colorful fish. Are they editable ?
>>
>This thread is getting surreal. Editable fisses. I like the idea
>though. You don't like the colour? So change it. You could even turn
>it into a fish.
>
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RE: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

[Malcolm Smith]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> Oh no, not another "film vs digital" debate. I'll sit this one out.
> 
> BTW, I have and shoot with both film and digital cameras. They're much
> the same and they're quite different. So are their images.  :-)

A few years ago I looked on line and in magazines to get film when I last had a 
film body and it was very difficult; mostly old stock and/or short dated film.

I looked today, and it was like looking ten years ago. Plentiful supplies, even 
E6 long dated fresh supplies.

Something has changed and I guess it must be demand for it. Are there more of 
you who still use film out there?

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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Feb 7, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Malcolm Smith  wrote:
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> In conversation with a neighbour today whilst I was out with my camera, I
> was asked if a 35mm DSLR produces better images than film does. … 

Oh no, not another "film vs digital" debate. I'll sit this one out. 

BTW, I have and shoot with both film and digital cameras. They're much the same 
and they're quite different. So are their images.  :-)

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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

[P.J. Alling]

That's not capitalism, that's human nature.

On 2/8/2015 6:35 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 8 Feb 2015, at 11:10, Malcolm Smith  wrote:

[...]
I just have this nagging feeling that I'm being
pushed to buy products which fill a need that doesn't exist.

Welcome to capitalism.

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Re: Full-Framer Coming

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Feb 8, 2015, at 2:44 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
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> On 8/2/15, james, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Wasn't there someone named COTTY.
>> Wasn't there something about a HAT.
>> Wasn't there something about pentax FF.
>> Wasn't there something about eating of HAT re FF?
> 
> Still waiting
> 
> 

Mmm. Tasty treat! What sauce do you think will go well? :-)

Mind you, at the last London gathering of the PDMLers I attended (April 2013), 
there were more Fuji, Ricoh, Canon, and Leica cameras than Pentax. I seem to 
recall BobW had the sole token Pentax in his bag, but didn't load any film...

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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[Boris Liberman]

I don't see any cameras being now offered for sale.  Nor do i think that 
time passed does not nullify Cotty's promise...


In other words, certain hat lives to cover a certain head for another day. ..

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On 8 February 2015 19:24:48 eactiv...@aol.com wrote:


I don't remember Cotty qualifying his eat hat statement. NO  LOOPHOLES!!!

Sheesh, we don't need lawyerially thinking in  PDML.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)  (I am pretty sure that Cotty has an  eatable hat
stashed away somewhere anyway.)

In a message dated 2/8/2015  9:10:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
coll...@brendemuehl.net writes:

This is, after all, a forthcoming Ricoh body.  Pentax is not a  company.
It is merely a trademark.


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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[Eactivist]

I don't remember Cotty qualifying his eat hat statement. NO  LOOPHOLES!!!

Sheesh, we don't need lawyerially thinking in  PDML.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)  (I am pretty sure that Cotty has an  eatable hat 
stashed away somewhere anyway.)

In a message dated 2/8/2015  9:10:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
coll...@brendemuehl.net writes:

This is, after all, a forthcoming Ricoh body.  Pentax is not a  company.  
It is merely a trademark.
 

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Re: Full-Framer Coming

[P.J. Alling]

The concept of corporate successor says you're wrong.  Besides, the 
Pentax engineers and manufacturing facilities are now a large part of 
Ricoh imaging.  So even though Asahi Optical,  (later Pentax), has 
ceased to exist.  They have a corporate successor with a clear line of 
descent.


On 2/8/2015 11:29 AM, George Sinos wrote:

Well - This is probably nit-picking, but I would say Cotty's
prediction was correct.

Pentax isn't making a full-frame camera.  They never did and they no
longer exist, so they never will.

Ricoh is making a full frame camera with Pentax brand name stamped on it.

gs
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On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:

I was not around to hear the original statement or conditions thereof,
but I wish I was Cotty because it would be very easy to turn this into
a viral fundraiser that would PAY for most, if not all, of Cotty's
copy of the fullframe Pentax. All that needs to be done is to tell the
story (on a web page and YouTube video and link to a donation button
for those wishing to see Cotty eating a hat). This could easily go
"viral" in the Pentax community, if not beyond. It would only take
$3000 people contributing $1 to raise more than enough for the body. I
can see a line of baseball caps and t-shirts growing from this
potentially, as well.

I also have some ideas for the easy consumption of said hat.
:)

On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Zos Xavius  wrote:

I think its time to eat the hat!

On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

On 8/2/15, james, discombobulated, unleashed:


Wasn't there someone named COTTY.
Wasn't there something about a HAT.
Wasn't there something about pentax FF.
Wasn't there something about eating of HAT re FF?

Still waiting



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Re: GESO January "best of"

[Christine Aguila]

Well, you can be proud of those keepers, Larry!  Nice portraits!  Cheers, 
Christine


> On Jan 31, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
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> Here are my "keepers" for January:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157650209759461/
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Re: GESO - Roadtrip USA

[Christine Aguila]

That’s a really superb gallery, Brian!  You are the scenic & light master!  I 
had a look-see at your web site and thought it very nice, especially the links 
to other photographers, resources etc.  Nice touch there—and of course the 
photography was great from gallery to gallery!

I do have a question:  what software/app did you use to do the map of your U.S. 
route (first frame)?  That’s a very nice trip map—I need a good app to make 
similar trip routes.

Cheers, Christine




> On Jan 28, 2015, at 4:44 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
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> G'day all
> 
> It's now over 18 months since my family and I brought our Australian accents 
> to the western USA and, while I haven't exactly ignored the photos I took, 
> it's taken until now to put them into a gallery.
> 
> This is not a 'best of' gallery - it's more of a travelogue, so there will be 
> some (lots?) of images that are not going to win any prizes. There are quite 
> a few images - 75 in total - and this is only Part 1! Of course, you don't 
> have to look at all (or any) of them, but I thought some of you might be 
> interested to see where we went and what we saw.  There's a map of the route 
> at the start of the gallery.
> 
> Part 1 covers Los Angeles to northern Colorado via Nevada, Arizona, Utah 
> (briefly) and New Mexico.
> 
> http://lyons-ryan.org/roadtripUSA/index.html
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
> Brian
> 
> ++
> Brian Walters
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> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[Jack Davis]

I believe I just heard Cotty exhale. Well, I guess it could be the local Beale 
air base launching a squadron of U2's.

Jack

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Subject: Easy on Cotty, folks

This is, after all, a forthcoming Ricoh body.  Pentax is not a company.  It is 
merely a trademark.
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Easy on Cotty, folks

[CollinB]

This is, after all, a forthcoming Ricoh body.  Pentax is not a company.  It is 
merely a trademark.
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Re: PESO - Pond Hockey

[Christine Aguila]

That’s nice, Frank—has an intriguing yesteryear look to it.

I haven’t been inspired either.  My plan is to clean up my Lightroom catalogue, 
review where I’ve been with my photography, make a few photo books, and 
hopefully set some new skill goals, which would take me in new and exciting 
directions—lol—well, a girl can dream, right?  :-) 

Cheers, Christine




> On Feb 7, 2015, at 6:30 PM, knarf  wrote:
> 
> Back after a long hiatus. I am in the middle of my longest and deepest 
> photographic drought ever.
> 
> I still carry my camera with me everywhere. I just don't see anything worth 
> taking a picture of. Just not inspired I guess. 
> 
> But a couple of weekends ago I walked down by the lake. It's been cold this 
> winter but I was still surprised to see two brothers playing shinny on a 
> frozen pond. I didn't think kids did this anymore - hockey's organized now, 
> and played indoors on artificial ice - but I'm glad they still do:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/02/pond-hockey.html?m=1
> 
> Reminds me of my childhood. 
> 
> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
> 
> Cheers, 
> frank
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Re: Full-Framer Coming

[Darren Addy]

George,
I hate to disagree with a fellow Nebraskan, but if we are going to
take that position then we should have changed the name of the PDML.
Pentax has only been a "brand" for a very long time and Ricoh is only
the most recent overlord (though I might suggest they are being a most
benevolent one).
:)

On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 10:29 AM, George Sinos  wrote:
> Well - This is probably nit-picking, but I would say Cotty's
> prediction was correct.
>
> Pentax isn't making a full-frame camera.  They never did and they no
> longer exist, so they never will.
>
> Ricoh is making a full frame camera with Pentax brand name stamped on it.
>
> gs
> George Sinos
> 
> www.GeorgesPhotos.net
> www.GeorgeSinos.com
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>> I was not around to hear the original statement or conditions thereof,
>> but I wish I was Cotty because it would be very easy to turn this into
>> a viral fundraiser that would PAY for most, if not all, of Cotty's
>> copy of the fullframe Pentax. All that needs to be done is to tell the
>> story (on a web page and YouTube video and link to a donation button
>> for those wishing to see Cotty eating a hat). This could easily go
>> "viral" in the Pentax community, if not beyond. It would only take
>> $3000 people contributing $1 to raise more than enough for the body. I
>> can see a line of baseball caps and t-shirts growing from this
>> potentially, as well.
>>
>> I also have some ideas for the easy consumption of said hat.
>> :)
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
>>> I think its time to eat the hat!
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
 On 8/2/15, james, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Wasn't there someone named COTTY.
>Wasn't there something about a HAT.
>Wasn't there something about pentax FF.
>Wasn't there something about eating of HAT re FF?

 Still waiting

 

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Re: Full-Framer Coming

[George Sinos]

Well - This is probably nit-picking, but I would say Cotty's
prediction was correct.

Pentax isn't making a full-frame camera.  They never did and they no
longer exist, so they never will.

Ricoh is making a full frame camera with Pentax brand name stamped on it.

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On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> I was not around to hear the original statement or conditions thereof,
> but I wish I was Cotty because it would be very easy to turn this into
> a viral fundraiser that would PAY for most, if not all, of Cotty's
> copy of the fullframe Pentax. All that needs to be done is to tell the
> story (on a web page and YouTube video and link to a donation button
> for those wishing to see Cotty eating a hat). This could easily go
> "viral" in the Pentax community, if not beyond. It would only take
> $3000 people contributing $1 to raise more than enough for the body. I
> can see a line of baseball caps and t-shirts growing from this
> potentially, as well.
>
> I also have some ideas for the easy consumption of said hat.
> :)
>
> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
>> I think its time to eat the hat!
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>>> On 8/2/15, james, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
Wasn't there someone named COTTY.
Wasn't there something about a HAT.
Wasn't there something about pentax FF.
Wasn't there something about eating of HAT re FF?
>>>
>>> Still waiting
>>>
>>> 
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Re: Full-Framer Coming

[Darren Addy]

I was not around to hear the original statement or conditions thereof,
but I wish I was Cotty because it would be very easy to turn this into
a viral fundraiser that would PAY for most, if not all, of Cotty's
copy of the fullframe Pentax. All that needs to be done is to tell the
story (on a web page and YouTube video and link to a donation button
for those wishing to see Cotty eating a hat). This could easily go
"viral" in the Pentax community, if not beyond. It would only take
$3000 people contributing $1 to raise more than enough for the body. I
can see a line of baseball caps and t-shirts growing from this
potentially, as well.

I also have some ideas for the easy consumption of said hat.
:)

On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
> I think its time to eat the hat!
>
> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>> On 8/2/15, james, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>>Wasn't there someone named COTTY.
>>>Wasn't there something about a HAT.
>>>Wasn't there something about pentax FF.
>>>Wasn't there something about eating of HAT re FF?
>>
>> Still waiting
>>
>> 
>>
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Re: Full-Framer Coming

[Zos Xavius]

I think its time to eat the hat!

On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
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>>Wasn't there someone named COTTY.
>>Wasn't there something about a HAT.
>>Wasn't there something about pentax FF.
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> Still waiting
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Re: PESO - At the shoe store

[Bruce Walker]

Thank you, Attila. :)  And thanks Alan and Dan.

On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 7:51 AM, Attila Boros  wrote:
> Very unconventional and shows a lot of character. I like what you did
> with the mirror :)
>
> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 4:40 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> Toronto's bohemian Queen Street west has been invaded by fashion
>> chains but it still displays its Alt.nature, as on this sales staffer
>> at Dr Martins, July 2014 ...
>>
>> https://500px.com/photo/98207149/at-the-shoe-store-by-bruce-walker
>>
>> K-3, DA 35/2.8 Macro Ltd, f:5.6, 1/125th sec, ISO 5000; Lightroom for
>> light post.
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>> Comments welcome, of course.
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Re: PESO - Untitled monochrome.

[Bulent Celasun]

Thank you, Mark :)

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> Simple, elegant, a little moody - very pleasing image.
>
> On 2/4/2015 2:33 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote:
>>
>> A macro under artificial light (Ricoh GXR A12 module, 50mm f/2.5).
>>
>> https://celasun.wordpress.com/2015/02/04/adsiz/
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>> While trying to construct a small home studio for better macros...
>>
>> Bulent
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Re: PESO: Old Farm Buildings

[Jack Davis]

...my kind of target, Dave!
Can you get any closer? I suggest
You trespass if necessary.  8/

Jack

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> On Feb 7, 2015, at 9:29 PM, David Mann  wrote:
> 
> This is the last one from the Melbourne-to-Adelaide leg of our trip.
> 
> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/859/#peso
> 
> Cheers,
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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

[Zos Xavius]

My K-7 has produced prints that were acceptable up to 30" wide. I've
printed wider yet too from that camera and those prints were passable
as well.

On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> I recently did a 24" X 36" triptych from an image taken by my K20D. The
> result is stunning according to those that have viewed it.
>
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> - Original Message - From: "Malcolm Smith" 
> Subject: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR
>
>
>
>> In conversation with a neighbour today whilst I was out with my camera, I
>> was asked if a 35mm DSLR produces better images than film does.
>>
>> I really wasn't sure; the last time this really came up was when the *ist
>> D
>> came out, and film was still meant to be far superior, in terms of
>> capturing
>> detail and enlargement potential. So what size sensor does 35mm film
>> equate
>> to? It appears that ISO 100 was deemed to be about 20MP, but later revised
>> to between 4MP-16MP, depending on the film, and 8 MP DSLRs produced an
>> 'image quality' close to 16MP. This says more here (last revised 2008):
>>
>> http://www.clarkvision.com/articles/film.vs.digital.summary1/index.html
>>
>> A question/answer in a camera magazine today suggested that 24MP 35mm DSLR
>> prints could be made to A3 paper size (at 300ppi) and A2 with a 36MP
>> sensor.
>>
>> This I found shows a 30" x 42" enlargement of a Velvia ISO 50 slide:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/mikecostolo/3750325141/
>>
>> I know I've seen similar size enlargements from 35mm DSLRs that look good
>> viewed at a close distance from the enlargement.
>>
>> I also understand the grain difference between film and digital files is
>> different, and I'm trying hard not to compare apples with oranges, but
>> with
>> 35mm 50.6 MP sensors about to hit the market, have we now reached the
>> point
>> where DSLRs conclusively capture more information than film (specifically
>> 35mm only)? Additionally, do we have to print at 300ppi? Can you reduce
>> this
>> and still produce sharp enough pictures at an enlarged size - assuming the
>> image is a good sharp one to begin with?
>>
>> I don't think I've ever had an image printed beyond 16" x 20", so I'm
>> curious how far it can be enlarged and remain really quite sharp, for
>> example as a framed print in a large family room? Larger sensors equal
>> more
>> detail, which you must be able to do more with including fairly big
>> enlargements from a small cropped area of any given image. Are cameras
>> sensors getting too large at 35mm?
>>
>> Malcolm
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Re: OT: You *MUST* see "Ida"

[Zos Xavius]

Its worth watching just for the cinematography alone! Every shot is a
well composed frame.

On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> Thanks for the reminder!  Cheers, Christine
>
>
>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>>
>> Just wanted to resurrect this thread for those who have not yet seen
>> it. See this thread for more info and reasons that I consider it a
>> "must see" for all photographers.
>> http://www.metafilter.com/146814/Ida-Film-nominated-for-two-Oscars-draws-praise-and-controversy
>>
>> It is currently on Netflix, for those subscribers in the U.S. who
>> would like to see it on the small screen.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:55 PM, John Coyle  wrote:
>>> My wife and I saw it in Brisbane in October - a very, very good film.  The 
>>> cinematography was
>>> top-notch too.
>>> The best b&w movie I've seen in recent years was "The Artist": each shot 
>>> seemed to have a  perfect
>>> range of tones.
>>>
>>>
>>> John in Brisbane
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Darren Addy
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 17 December 2014 1:36 AM
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>>> Subject: Re: OT: You *MUST* see "Ida"
>>>
>>> You get a taste of the photography and composition I'm going ga-ga over 
>>> from the 2 minute trailer:
>>> http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/ida/
>>> or
>>> http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2411703577
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:04 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:


 On Tuesday, December 16, 2014, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>
> I haven't seen it yet, but it's had rave reviews from all the people
> in my French cinema class. Of course for some people that may not be
> a recommendation...
>
> B
>
>
> Heh. You may be right there, Bob. It is a product of Poland, not France.
> People allergic to subtitles will hate it for that reason alone. It's
> main characters are a young woman (about to take her vows in a
> convent) and her aunt. So, for that reason, some might dismiss it as
> a "chick flick". (I object to that entire premise). It may not appeal
> to your tastes as there are no explosions, car chases, or gun fights.
> But WOW do you have to see it, if only to hit "Pause" repeatedly to
> study the superb "photographs" that make up nearly each and every scene 
> (and even cut).



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Re: PESO - At the shoe store

[Attila Boros]

Very unconventional and shows a lot of character. I like what you did
with the mirror :)

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> Toronto's bohemian Queen Street west has been invaded by fashion
> chains but it still displays its Alt.nature, as on this sales staffer
> at Dr Martins, July 2014 ...
>
> https://500px.com/photo/98207149/at-the-shoe-store-by-bruce-walker
>
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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

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> On 8 Feb 2015, at 11:10, Malcolm Smith  wrote:
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> [...]

> I just have this nagging feeling that I'm being
> pushed to buy products which fill a need that doesn't exist.

Welcome to capitalism.

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RE: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

[Malcolm Smith]

Thanks for all the replies.

It's been a very interesting time for me recently, looking through the
slides I took in pre-*ist D days. That came out in 2003 (I think), and from
the article on digital v film in 2008, we had at that stage reached the same
'quality of image' as film. So 7 years on in 2015, everyone should consider
that film is of the past in every respect.

Not one of you said so.

I also have looked at images taken and enlarged made with DSLRs built before
2010 and been mightily impressed. That, in great part is down to the
photographer of course, regardless of media.

Now for me, digital photography means I get to take the pictures as I always
did, but now get I do the darkroom bit as well without the inconvenience of
having lots of chemicals, equipment and a dark room. It also means I can
deal with exposure issues - but those who shot film and developed it
themselves could deal with that too.

I see cameras being launched with larger and larger sensors, to record
greater and greater detail, which therefore entails the use of better and
newer lenses to capture this greater detail, and it seems an arms race to
nowhere, as they still aren't 'better' than enlargements made from film shot
with 30 year old glass. I just have this nagging feeling that I'm being
pushed to buy products which fill a need that doesn't exist.

Now for many people, especially professional photographers, digital
(DSLR/'Phone/CSC/whatever) is a way of taking the images and instantly
passing them on to press/Twitter/Facebook etc and immediate publication has
become part of society's expectation of this technology. As a hobbyist
photographer, I can't help thinking that the K3 is - in real terms - as good
as I need it to get digital image quality at this price point, with the
lenses I have (or are currently) available.

I don't feel film is in anyway dead, 12 years after the launch of a Pentax
digital camera, and if anything, I'm more tempted to find where I can buy
film and get a film body rather than join the digital arms race. The new FF
camera is an LX.

Is more really better? Hmm.

Malcolm (Heretic)


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Re: Full-Framer Coming

[Steve Cottrell]

On 8/2/15, james, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Wasn't there someone named COTTY.
>Wasn't there something about a HAT.
>Wasn't there something about pentax FF.
>Wasn't there something about eating of HAT re FF?

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Re: February PUG is now up

[David J Brooks]

annother lovely gallery. I need to get to a beach one day.:-)

Dave

On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> G'day all
>
> A lot to like this month...
>
> Ann's 'Canton Beach', Dan's 'Beach Reflections' and Ken's 'Santa Barbara
> Birds' are  my equal favourites but Jan's 'Blonde on the Beach' is a lot of
> fun.
>
> As usual, you'll find the gallery here:
>
> http://pug.komkon.org/
>
> (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery
> there).
>
> Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
> infallible.  So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
> gallery, let me know.
>
> +
>
> Next up is 'Curved'.
>
> Submit here:
>
> http://pug.komkon.org/submit/
>
> Submission Guidelines here:
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>
> The main requirements are:
> * Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
> * Max file size: 300k
> * Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body or
> lens used is Pentax.
> * If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to ensure that
> the image is displayed correctly on line.
> * Nominal closing date is 28 February.
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> ++
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Re: HumuhumunukunukuÄ puaÊ»a

[Chris Mitchell]

On 8 February 2015 at 04:29, Ken Waller  wrote:
> Well captured image of a very colorful fish. Are they editable ?
>
This thread is getting surreal. Editable fisses. I like the idea
though. You don't like the colour? So change it. You could even turn
it into a fish.

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Re: PESO: Humuhumunukunukuāpuaʻa

[Chris Mitchell]

That's a handsome fiss. Looks a bit like a fish to me. Are the species related?

Chris

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> No trip to Maui is complete with out an image of the state fiss of Hawaii:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17962185&size=lg
> Comments are invited
>
> The name means" trigger fish with a nose like a pig."
>  Not to be confused with the Lauwiliwilinukunukuoioi, the needle-nosed
> butterfly fish, or "crazy fish with long long nose."
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