Re: Sacramento area PDML members?

2005-09-30 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen

On Sep 29, 2005, at 2:08 PM, Mark Erickson wrote:

Can I get a roll call of Sacramento area (e.g., Sacto, Folsom,  
Davis, Roseville, etc...) list members?  Just curious


hey there Mark.   I live in Elk Grove.   :-)

Jeff



Photo Presentation on DVD w/Music

2005-08-26 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen
Any Apple users out there have any recommendations for creating photo  
presentations on DVD with music.  the iDVD product which came with my  
Powerbook can't handle what I'm trying to do.


Thoughts?

Jeff

An excuse is worse and more terrible than a lie, for an excuse is a  
lie guarded.


Pope John Paul II






Re: Photo Presentation on DVD w/Music

2005-08-26 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen


On Aug 26, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

I haven't done this with the latest versions of iTunes, iPhoto,  
iMovie and iDVD yet (the iLife package), but I've seen some fairly  
complex DVD photo presentation work done with that set of four  
applications. The next step up from there is a big one, to the  
Final Cut Studio application suite.


What are you trying to do that is blocked? I might be able to help.

Godfrey


Godfrey,

Thank you so much for hearing me out.  :-)

I've put together a pretty nice presentation of photos with a  
soundtrack.  When attempting to burn the DVD I receive an error 34506  
which has no associated explanation.  Just the number.  Apple support  
is useless since when they throw three photos in iMovie and iDVD it  
works fine and they won't troubleshoot enduser content.  I have a  
feeling it's the size and complexity influencing this.


When researching the error online, everyone encountering it come up  
against the same wall except one I've seen so far.  The only  
workaround has been someone using Toast to burn the DVD once the  
image is created in iDVD.  I was in the process of trying that until  
I ran into the same error when trying to create the disk image.


So, what do you think?  Any ideas?

Jeff

An excuse is worse and more terrible than a lie, for an excuse is a  
lie guarded.


Pope John Paul II






Re: Photo Presentation on DVD w/Music

2005-08-26 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen

On Aug 26, 2005, at 5:31 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

I'll send a note off to some folks I know, but I can't promise that  
I'll find anything.




Hehe I pushed it about as far as they would go.  It took them a week  
just to look up the code and reference just to tell me the generic  
definition.


My next step was to divide the project into stages and add one stage  
at a time until it fails.  It could be a limit on the photos I'm  
using.  We'll see.  Since you are a Mac user, I'll drop you a note if  
I isolate anything.  I'm about ready to take the bump up and try  
Final Cut and see what happens.  Not sure if I can afford that  
though.  :-/


Anything you could find would be great.   I have no expectations  
though, I just appreciate your time here.


Cheers!

Jeff

An excuse is worse and more terrible than a lie, for an excuse is a  
lie guarded.


Pope John Paul II






Re: iPhoto Users....PLEASE respond!!!

2005-05-01 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen
I don' t work with ANY mail archives in my daily activities.  Sorry, 
I'm not that Jeff.   :-)

j
On Apr 30, 2005, at 12:31 PM, mike wilson wrote:
Are you the Jeff who runs the Mail Archive?



Re: iPhoto Users....PLEASE respond!!!

2005-05-01 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen
That's some good info Kevin.  Thank you for the heads up!!  I have 
Tiger arriving this week.

j
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.
 - Albert Einstein
On May 1, 2005, at 2:34 AM, Kevin Waterson wrote:
This one time, at band camp, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

ACDSee for Mac OS X v1.6.9 is the current version. It's got some 
decent
features but is not near as competent or capable as iView Media Pro 2
on the Mac OS X platform. It also doesn't know about .PEF files or
other RAW formats, far as I can tell.
I have installed OSX 10.4 and all I can say is that I am dissapointed 
in
so many ways. many of the basic features require you to purchase 
upgrades
which run into more than I wanted to spend after laying out $199.00 for
the Tiger release.

oh, and iPhoto, forget it, applications on 10.4 require you to have
version 4.0 or later (now 5.02) to work, this is now part of iLife
and will set you back $119.00 dollars. This makes Microsoft look
much better value for money.
Kevin
--
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.



Re: iPhoto Users....PLEASE respond!!!

2005-04-30 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen
This is some excellent stuff yall!   I'll check out the software 
references and JPG file questions and respond off-line to avoid 
dragging everyone else thru this.  All this happend at a bad time that 
I'm going to be away from the computer for a few days.I will be 
responding with follow up questions directly.

You guys are great!  Thank you for keeping this list so useful and 
informative to the neophytes like myself who can only strain their 
brain just to keep up with all the information being shared here.
:-)

You guys ROCK!!!
Thank
j
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.
 - Albert Einstein
On Apr 30, 2005, at 7:43 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


iPhoto Users....PLEASE respond!!!

2005-04-29 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen
Does anyone here use iPhoto with the istD*?  If so, how do you it?
If not, can anyone recommend some Photo management software I can use?  
In the past I've been just dealing with managing it in the folders and 
directories manually.  I would really like to take advantage of the 
additional features the software provides.

I just got off the phone from Apple support and am still cooling my 
temper based on the way they approached this problem.

Any words of wisdom here would be greatly appreciated.   :-)
Jeff


Re: iPhoto Users....PLEASE respond!!!

2005-04-29 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen
Thank you for responding!   :-)
I JUST purchased a new Apple system (G4 17 Powerbook) and have iPhoto 
v5.0.2, still waiting on Tiger arrival.  I also use Photoshop as my 
photo finishing work.  I just want to have a simple interface to store 
the photos for reference, organization and quick scan.  When I get 
picky I pull out Adobe and go to town.

Here's the deal, I've migrated all my photofiles and data I had on the 
Dell.  I attempted to pop in a JPG just to see how iPhoto would import. 
 It identified it as an unrecognizable file.  All other apps can read 
the file, but iPhoto cannot read it unless I open it in a separate app, 
like GraphicConverter and REsave it as a JPG.  Then it'll work.  
Considering the thousands of photos I have to work with, that solution 
is silly.  I'm going to test every file format option and see what I 
come up with.

Thoughts?
j
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.
 - Albert Einstein
On Apr 29, 2005, at 12:29 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
I use iPhoto occasionally but only with finished JPEG images that I've 
edited in Photoshop  ... I use it to set up making inexpensive bound 
books of photos.

I might be able to assist. What are you trying to accomplish with it, 
what version are you using?

Godfrey



RE: Photo Software

2004-03-27 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen
Many thanks for all the replies.  I have a good plan on how to proceed now.

Jeff

-Original Message-
From: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:47 AM
To: Jeff Geilenkirchen
Subject: Re: Photo Software


Hi!

Jeff, if you have valid license and bad CD of an old PS version,
perhaps it is worth calling the Adobe and without telling the CD is
bad you might want to request an update for the latest PS version. I
suppose you would get it for a low price as it is an upgrade. And of
course, then you would receive a working CD...

HTH.


Boris
([EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED])



Photo Software

2004-03-25 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen
Hello everyone!

I'm at a loss for use with photo software since my PhotoShop CD appears to
be not usable anymore when I needed to reinstall it.   :-/

Does anyone have any recommendations for some economical photoediting
software as a replacement to PS since it's so expensive?  Or would anyone
know where to get PS copy at a reduced price?

Thoughts  suggestions are welcome!  :-)

Thank you for your time,

Jeff



RE: Photo Software

2004-03-25 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen
Good points Matt!

The copy I have is pretty old.  Considering the advancement of digital photo
processing I figured there had to be something out there someone knew about
which could handle the same basic stuff that PhotoShop did at a more
reasonable price.

J

-Original Message-
From: Matt Giess [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 8:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Photo Software


Hi Jeff


 I'm at a loss for use with photo software since my PhotoShop CD appears to
 be not usable anymore when I needed to reinstall it.   :-/

you should be able to approach the publishers of the software for a
replacement CD at a nominal cost - the massive cost of the software is for
the license to use it, not for the medium it is transferred to you in.  As
an example, I bought my girlfriend 'The Sims', a popular computer game, but
the CD was badly scratched by a dodgy CD drive.  We contacted the
manufacturer, and received a replacement CD for £7.50 ($12 or so) which
just covers the costs of actually sending us a new CD, not the cost of the
licence.

Of course, this assumes that you actually hold a licence and you have a
version of PhotoShop that is still supported - I'm not sure what will
happen if you have an older version.

I'm pretty sure that copyright law allows you to burn a back-up CD for your
own use, if you manage to get a replacement it may be worth doing so and
storing the original well out of harm's way - as both of us have found out
to our cost, CDs are not indestructible!

Hope this helps

Matt





RE: Cheap Storage for your *ist D

2004-03-12 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen
Apple has a memory card reader which works with their regular iPods.  I just
picked up a 40Gig model and have some nice photo plans for it.  The iPods
also function as an external HD when connected to a computer.  I just
doesn't get much better.

If you are looking at getting a mini, you can add $50 more you'll get 11Gig
more memory and more accessories included with the 15Gig iPod.

J

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Thornsberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 8:42 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Cheap Storage for your *ist D


I guess I'm behind the times.

The article states that there have been problems with the ipod mini due to
formatting.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of David Mann
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 10:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cheap Storage for your *ist D



 I just saw a segment on TechTV's Tech Live where they were showing
 that the
 Creative MuVo MP3 player contains a regular FAT32 formatted Hitachi 4GB
 microdrive.  The MuVo sells for around $200 while the 4 GB microdrive
 sells for
 close to $500.

I thought that was old news :)  People have tried with the Ipod mini as
well, but that apparently doesn't work.  I hear its hard to find the
Ipod mini at the moment anyway.  They haven't even arrived down here
yet (I must find out when they're due).

   Creative is obviously getting a heck of a volume discount.

It doesn't surprise me.  I work for a company that manufactures its own
products, and you'd hardly believe some of the pricing we get on parts
- and we aren't that big a manufacturer.  For the finished product
there is quite a markup between us and the customer as well.  You'll
have to take my word on that as I'm not allowed to give out numbers.

Cheers,

- Dave

http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/



RE: *istD tally

2003-12-31 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen
Count me in on that tally if it matters!  I just returned back to the list
after a long break.

Cheers!

 -Original Message-
From:   Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   Tuesday, December 30, 2003 5:35 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:*istD tally

Since the *istD was released, I have tried to keep track of PDML'ers who
have bought the camera.
I have no idea if my list is complete, but so far it counts 55 names!

Impressive, imo.

Cheers,
Jostein

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White Balance

2003-12-31 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen
Good Point!  I haven't seen much on the list in the way of managing the
white balance for the *istDers.  Since my purchase of a few weeks ago, I've
kept it on automatic white balance.  Does anyone here actively change their
white balance specific to their subjects or lighting?  Any thoughts are
welcome here.

Have a great day,

Jeff

 -Original Message-
From:   Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   Monday, December 29, 2003 8:46 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Just one tip



 Kevin Waterson wrote:

  If you could impart just one tip to someone regarding photography,
  what would it be?
 

With the *ist D, check your ISO and white balance before you start shooting.

Bill




RE: Just curious ...

2003-12-29 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen
I have not.


 -Original Message-
From:   Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:   Saturday, December 27, 2003 8:20 AM
To: PDML
Subject:Just curious ...

Who on this list has never developed their own film and made prints in a
darkroom?




RE: Powerpoint

2003-12-17 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen
Don't hold back now...tell us what you really think!   ;-)



 -Original Message-
From:   graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:44 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Powerpoint

Then we can look at it another way, a person who makes a possibly life
threatening multi-million dollar decision from a twenty minute PowerPoint
presentation certainly fits my definition of a fool.

Of course, the adviser who presents it that way fits my definition of
incompetent.

--

Chaso DeChaso wrote:


Interesting take, blaming the misuse of software
for a problem,
rather
than those who misued the software.


Well said.  I get to see quite a few ppt
presentations at work and they
never impress me.  It has nothing to do with ppt
itself - they're just
bad presentations.


 Well, this oversimplifies the problem by
 underestimating the way in which tools condition our
 thinking and condition the problems and solutions at
 hand.  It is also surprising that anyone would
 casually and quickly reject a thinker such as Tufte
 trying to tell us something.

 I would not say the medium IS the message but
 certainly it alters, limits, abstracts the message in
 various ways.  This may happen independent of our best
 intentions.

 It is overly idealistic to imagine that humans are
 these perfect things hovering high above the world
 making decisions; in fact we are immersed in the world
 and are conditioned by its perameters.  Our thinking
 is conditioned by the language we happen to use as
 well as by the software we select (or have selected
 for us, for the most part).  No matter how perfect we
 think we are, a presentation is going to be different
 with different media - people will learn different
 things.  We make different mistakes when using
 different tools.  Engineering projects have different
 types of failures based upon different types of
 software, and versus doing things by hand.  Assuming
 humans haven't changed, this focuses the attention on
 the role of the media and methods thereof.  Also, at
 the extreme, different types of projects become
 possible and impossible.

 Humans are not limitlessly creative or vigiland
 therefore we rely upon convention, precedent,
 technique, culture, tools, etc. to influence answers -
 this is a part of life and not necessarily bad.
 (Most pieces written on piano are different than those
 written on guitar - and few are capable of dreaming up
 complete pieces in the abstract not associated with
 instrumentation, while laying in bed...even they are
 conditioned by memory of the instruments).  Given that
 this is a fact, one can then turn attention toward
 laying a certain amount of blame on tools and methods
 that are more mistake prone in certain contexts.
 Powerpoint is certainly a media which predisposes one
 to certain errors mainly related to oversimplification
 as Tufte argues.  Yes, if we were almost perfect and
 nearly godlike we would catch every mistake and only
 have ourselves to blame, but in fact as soon as one
 relies on a tool and gives over some responsibility to
 the tool (which we must and always do) then we can
 speak about the influence of the tool itself and about
 how for example powerpoint may have been a legitimate
 contributing factor the shuttle disaster.

 Chaso







 __
 Do you Yahoo!?
 New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing.
 http://photos.yahoo.com/



--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com

You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway.




RE: Fantasy about New HD from Toshiba

2003-12-16 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen
Wow Herb!  How many frames and at what resolution?

Jeff


 -Original Message-
From:   Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:14 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Fantasy about New HD from Toshiba

i already have a 4G MicroDrive inside my *istD and it is totally inadequate
for more than a day or two's worth of shooting if i am stretching things out
and a couple of hours at most when in a good location. i will have a second
one soon and am looking at 80G as inadequate for a 2 week photography trip.

Herb
- Original Message -
From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:23 PM
Subject: OT: Fantasy about New HD from Toshiba


 http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/12/16/toshiba.tinydisk.ap/index.html

 Imagine it ( over time higher-capacity) stored permanently
 inside a camera, with enough storage to avoid the need for memory
 modules at all.  Like an endless roll of film.  Just keep shooting.
 Transfer with USB/FireWire/RF as needed.  Could be very useful.




RE: *istD

2003-12-15 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen
Wow!  I paid $1449...but that was at a local store. So, I guess I paid the
extra to take it home and play the same day.

J
 -Original Message-
From:   Sylwek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   Monday, December 15, 2003 5:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: *istD

on 15.12.03 14:32, Tanya Mayer Photography at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Best online price ever?!!?

 http://www.infinitycameras.com/viewitem.php?IndexID=4227

 Anyone ever dealt with these guys before?

They have very poor comments from customers. And shipping is 60$. I'd better
buy for 30$ more here:
http://www.digitalmegastore.com/products/?Pentax*istD02567com=8

--
Best Regards
Sylwek




RE: Need photo printer recommendation

2003-12-15 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen
I've had a $200ish Epson Stylus Photo 870 for a few years and have yet to
find a disappointment with it.  I'm looking forward to it breaking so I can
take advantage of some of the current technology.   ;-)

J

 -Original Message-
From:   Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   Monday, December 15, 2003 5:12 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Need photo printer recommendation

That's what I'm using and am quite pleased with it.

Bill

- Original Message -
From: Andrew Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 1:12 AM
Subject: Need photo printer recommendation


 I'm looking for a printer to replace my Epson Stylus Photo (the original
 Stylus Photo). Santa says I need to keep the cost under $200. Looks like
 the current Epson in that category is the Stylus Photo 925. However, the
 reviews I've read are not universally favorable. So I figured I'd ask this
 list for advice. Is there another printer I should be looking at? An HP or
 Canon?

 Thanks!

 Andrew Robinson






RE: MZ-S (Please help me understand)

2001-06-16 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen

Thanks for the feedback all!   I totally understand the points being made.
I look forward to handling the MZ-S and see for myself if it's worth it.



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Doug Brewer
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 6:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MZ-S (Please help me understand)

Jeff,

ALL cameras are the same camera with differing sets of bells and whistles.
But you knew that.

The trick is to =know= what bell and whistles are important and desirable
for your photography, then look for a camera that contains the largest
number of your desired features at a price you are willing to pay. If the
features of the PZ-1p are a good fit for you, buy it. If the feature set of
the MZ-S is closer, then consider it. Hell, if the F100 is a better fit, buy
=it=.

Two things to remember:

1. There's not a camera on God's green earth that will make you a
Photographer (and please, all you literalist folk, you know what I mean).

2. How a camera feels in your hand is as important as what the camera can
do. If you don't enjoy using the camera, it doesn't matter if the camera can
work miracles, because you won't use it. Conversely, if you really enjoy
using the camera, you'll find ways to overlook any apparent shortcomings in
the feature department.

Doug





At 7:46 AM -07006/15/01, Jeff Geilenkirchen , under cross examination,
admitted:
Hi all!  I'm an avid reader of this list (since I feel I don't  know enough
to provide solid info) and have enjoyed gaining some good knowledge from
the
group.  I'm hoping to gain another bit of insight if possible.

Throughout the planning and release of the MZ-S the talk on the list has
been one of great innovation and wonderful progress with the new body.  The
point I'm having trouble with is when I do a comparison between the PZ-1P
and the MZ-S on the Pentax site, they look like the same basic camera with
a
couple of different bells and whistles (although the interface is pretty
cool).  Thus, I can't really justify how the MZ-S is about double the
PZ-1P.

Please help me find how I can make the transition in my mind to tell myself
that I can spend $400+ more on the MZ-S.

Have a great day,

Jeff
Elk Grove, CA

--
Douglas Forrest Brewer
Ashwood Lake Photography
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RE: MZ-S (Please help me understand)

2001-06-16 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen

That works well for me...especially there is no way I can afford the product
now.   :)

As I read more, it sounds as if the additional focusing areas would be cool
if the autofocus mechanism was faster/more accurate.  I would spring for the
$$$ eventually for that.

Thanks for the info -

J

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Doug Brewer
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 7:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MZ-S (Please help me understand)

Which would cause the price of the MZ-S to drop as well...

Good point



At 10:04 PM -04006/16/01, Mark D. , under cross examination, admitted:
Jeff,

One more thing to keep in mind is that Pentax has, at times, replaced a
body
fairly soon after its release. The PZ-1 turned PZ-1p and ZX-5 turned ZX-5n.
(Putting on flame-retardent suit) If you're hesistant at all about the
MZ-S,
it might well be worthwhile to see if a MZ-Sn comes out in a couple of
years.

Mark
--
Douglas Forrest Brewer
Ashwood Lake Photography
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RE: Business Cards

2001-05-10 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen

Hiya Shel -

I've seen business cards which were photographs with the lettering super
imposed on the image.  They look pretty cool!

Jeff

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:32 PM
To: Pentax List
Subject: OT: Business Cards

I'm going to have some business cards made up, and while I've a
couple of ideas for the design, it might be nice to get some other
input.  If any of you have cards that are on line, I'd love to have
a look at them.  Thanks!
--
Shel Belinkoff
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Grain is the brushstroke of photography. - Man Ray
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Tamaron 90mm 2.8 Macro

2001-05-07 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen

Anyone have any experience/comments on the Tamaron 90mm 2.8 Macro?

I know, the Pentax 100 2.8 is a great lens, I just am looking for a good 1:1
macro lens to work with in a little lower price range.  I'm currently
working with the Pentax 100 3.5 and am feeling the need for speed.  Shall I
SAVE and wait for the Pentax lens or dive into a suitable sub (if there is
such a beast) for the instant gratification which spoils me.   :)

Any thoughts, advice, other lens suggestions or comments would be greatly
appreciated!

Have a great day,

Jeff Geilenkirchen
Elk Grove, CA

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Human Eye Resolution

2001-04-17 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen

I found some real interesting info in the article located at the hyperlink
below.  This might be of some interest to you digital photographers out
there.

http://146.139.100.40/webpages/askasci/comp99/cs041.htm

Jeff

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RE: Has any one seen this: MZ-S for sale at 999ukp.

2001-01-16 Thread Jeff Geilenkirchen

I don't know if a picture of the MZ-S has been shared here, but given the
plethora of messages crossing this system (and I probably missed it) I
figured I'd share the info and picture I saw of the MZ-S I just stumbled
across.  My apologies if this is redundant to everyone.

http://digilander.iol.it/aohc/photokina2000_1e.htm

Have a great day,

Jeff

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Pl Jensen
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 5:17 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Has any one seen this: MZ-S for sale at 999ukp.

Frank wrote:

 I don't know any more about this but here's the URL:

 http://members.nbci.com/leicastore/camerastore.html

 it advertises the "MZ-S Pro Body".


Yes, we have seen it. The price is from their far east supplier. We don't
know how final this price; maybe its a qualified guess?


Pl

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